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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 03:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-12-20_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| mkrai_ | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:00 |
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| pksingh | pksingh | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting mkrai_ Namrata kevinz pksingh | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | let's get started | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | i have no announcement | 03:02 |
| hongbin | anyone else has any announcement? | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | 1. hongbin split the k8s bp into two (DONE) | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/introduce-pod The Pod BP | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/k8s-integration The k8s BP | 03:02 |
| hongbin | The pod bp needs an owner | 03:03 |
| hongbin | if anyone interest in the work, feel free to take it | 03:03 |
| hongbin | 2. hongbin raise a ML with API WG to discuss the consolidate of actions into single URL (DONE) | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109136.html | 03:03 |
| pksingh | currently implementing api bp, i can teke that if any body helps me | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: sure, i can help you a bit | 03:04 |
| pksingh | hongbin: ok :) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | pksingh: feel free to assign it to yourself | 03:04 |
| hongbin | ok, back to the ML discussion | 03:05 |
| hongbin | there are two replies on the ML | 03:05 |
| hongbin | first reply: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109178.html | 03:05 |
| mkrai_ | First reply seems out of context to me | 03:05 |
| hongbin | chris dent seems to suggest to consolidate multiple urls | 03:06 |
| mkrai_ | I didn't get the response clearly may be | 03:06 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: Can you please explain what option he proposed? | 03:06 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: i am also not sure exactly what he mean | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | mkrai_: by looking at the urls, i guess he suggested to consolidate multiple urls | 03:07 |
| hongbin | however, the second reply is the meat | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109208.html | 03:07 |
| mkrai_ | Yes Alex's response is clear | 03:07 |
| hongbin | alex xu is a nova core, he pointed out the problems of having multple urls | 03:07 |
| hongbin | personally, i agree with him | 03:08 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: I think he has pointed out problems with single API | 03:08 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: yes | 03:08 |
| mkrai_ | Ok | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | then, we could leave it as multiple url as is | 03:09 |
| hongbin | (if there is no further objection) | 03:09 |
| hongbin | Qiming: ping | 03:09 |
| mkrai_ | I am ok with it | 03:09 |
| pksingh | me to | 03:09 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:09 |
| hongbin | then, move on | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce pod | 03:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce pod (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:10 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/introduce-pod The BP | 03:10 |
| hongbin | let's skip this one for now, since pksingh just took it | 03:10 |
| Qiming | po | 03:10 |
| hongbin | Qiming: hey | 03:10 |
| hongbin | Qiming: we are discussing the multiple action urls | 03:10 |
| Qiming | yes | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | Qiming: based on the replies in the ML, it seems there are several problems of this design in nova | 03:11 |
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| Qiming | looking | 03:11 |
| hongbin | Qiming: so it seems people lean on the multiple urls options | 03:11 |
| hongbin | Qiming: we can get back to it at open discussion if you like | 03:12 |
| Qiming | okay | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Support multi-host deployment (hongbin) | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support multi-host deployment (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:12 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-multiple-hosts The BP | 03:12 |
| hongbin | i am going to start this one next week | 03:12 |
| hongbin | the idea is to support deploying multiple zun-compute to hosts (right now, we deploy everyone in a single host) | 03:13 |
| mkrai_ | cool this will be good to have | 03:13 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:13 |
| hongbin | i will work on that, and report the status at the next meeting | 03:13 |
| hongbin | next one | 03:13 |
| hongbin | #topic Support interactive mode (kevinz) | 03:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support interactive mode (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:13 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-interactive-mode The BP | 03:13 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396841/ The design spec | 03:13 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:13 |
| kevinz | https://github.com/kevin-zhaoshuai/container-interactive-client | 03:14 |
| kevinz | Last week I have finished a demo for this | 03:14 |
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| hongbin | coll | 03:14 |
| hongbin | cool | 03:14 |
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| kevinz | Now the status is we can use the websocket link to do interactive mode to container | 03:14 |
| hongbin | #link https://github.com/kevin-zhaoshuai/container-interactive-client | 03:15 |
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| kevinz | Still two issues I need to fix. One is python packages websocket-client , Websocket-client will need to modify some code when dealing with escape code. | 03:15 |
| kevinz | The other is add support to container tty session resize according to current user | 03:16 |
| hongbin | could you elaborate what is tty session resize? | 03:16 |
| kevinz | Ofcourse | 03:17 |
| diga | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Nujli3wo | 03:18 |
| kevinz | docker will generated a tty session inside the container,I will find a link | 03:18 |
| diga | o/ | 03:18 |
| kevinz | https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/api/docker_remote_api_v1.21/#/resize-a-container-tty | 03:18 |
| hongbin | diga: thanks for joining | 03:18 |
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| diga | hongbin: welcome | 03:19 |
| kevinz | when we connect to the container, user will get a fixable size tty session | 03:19 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i see | 03:19 |
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| kevinz | we can change it according to users' terminal size. | 03:20 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:20 |
| hongbin | kevinz: sounds you have a good progress on this one | 03:20 |
| hongbin | kevinz: do you need any help from our team member regarding to this bp? | 03:21 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Thanks~ If I need I will ask wenzhi for some help :D | 03:22 |
| hongbin | anyway, feel free to ping any of us in irc if you need help | 03:22 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:22 |
| kevinz | When integrate with zun and clis | 03:22 |
| hongbin | great | 03:22 |
| hongbin | next one | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | #topic Make Zunclient an OpenStackClient plugin (Namrata) | 03:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Make Zunclient an OpenStackClient plugin (Namrata) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:23 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/zun-osc-plugin | 03:23 |
| hongbin | Namrata: ^^ | 03:23 |
| Namrata | hey | 03:23 |
| Namrata | Have uploaded the initial commit for opensack client support in python - zunclient and it is merged | 03:23 |
| Namrata | I have uploaded OSC plugin fo command show but there is a name conflict | 03:23 |
| Namrata | so can we discuss what command name should be there | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: i think you can forget about the name conflict for now | 03:24 |
| hongbin | Namrata: it is a bigger problem we need to deal with :) | 03:25 |
| Namrata | so how would it work with swift ? | 03:25 |
| hongbin | for others, we are talking about the keywork "container" was taken in openstackclient by swift | 03:25 |
| stevemar | there is a non-voting job you can add to your client to pick up these conflicts when they are proposed, see: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/plugins.html#checklist-for-adding-new-openstack-plugins | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | stevemar: ack | 03:26 |
| hongbin | stevemar: is there any way to allow the same keyword (i.e. container) can be taken by multiple project? | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/plugins.html#checklist-for-adding-new-openstack-plugins | 03:27 |
| Namrata | stevemar:thanks | 03:27 |
| hongbin | stevemar: e.g. a namespace ? | 03:27 |
| stevemar | hongbin: unfortunately not | 03:27 |
| hongbin | stevemar: is that a reasonable feature that can be requested for osc? | 03:27 |
| stevemar | container is tricky... in swift it's a container / bucket for objects | 03:27 |
| hongbin | yes it is | 03:28 |
| stevemar | hongbin: we've had discussions on the mailing list before about namespacing comands | 03:28 |
| hongbin | i guess what we wanted is a feature to shadow swift container when users are using zun | 03:28 |
| mkrai_ | barbican also have container concept | 03:28 |
| stevemar | mkrai_: i think they are calling it "secret container" | 03:28 |
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| stevemar | https://github.com/openstack/python-barbicanclient/blob/master/setup.cfg#L45-L48 | 03:29 |
| mkrai_ | stevemar: Yes I saw that | 03:29 |
| stevemar | hongbin: Namrata i suggest a note to the mailing list, so dtroyer can give guidance | 03:29 |
| diga | hongbin: may be we can initiate conversation with swift team on this ? | 03:29 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: There is high possibility that users can use both in future | 03:29 |
| hongbin | stevemar: ack | 03:30 |
| stevemar | the swift team doesn't own the OSC commands | 03:30 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin start a ML to osc team to discus the name collision issue | 03:30 |
| stevemar | the OSC team (myself + dtroyer + a few others) owns the commands used in osc | 03:30 |
| stevemar | (we deeply regret calling the swift container just "container") | 03:31 |
| mkrai_ | I suggest to have "object container" | 03:31 |
| hongbin | yes, imho, every commands should prefix with a project name (i.e. compute, network , ...) | 03:31 |
| mkrai_ | But this suggestion would be too early | 03:31 |
| hongbin | that is how aws cli works .... | 03:32 |
| mkrai_ | +1 hongbin | 03:32 |
| pksingh_ | +1 | 03:32 |
| hongbin | anyway | 03:32 |
| stevemar | heres an old reference: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076354.html | 03:32 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076354.html | 03:32 |
| stevemar | hongbin: right, just don't use the project "code name", so don't call it "openstack zun container show" :) | 03:33 |
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| stevemar | congress did that, and it's ugly | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | stevemar: yes, that could be an alternative | 03:33 |
| stevemar | we could rename the OSC command, but we would need to deprecate it first :\ | 03:34 |
| stevemar | when will zunclient be released? | 03:34 |
| hongbin | possibly a few months after | 03:34 |
| stevemar | OK, we can discuss this in the ML, i'll respond there | 03:35 |
| stevemar | don't want to take up more time in the meeting | 03:35 |
| hongbin | stevemar: thanks for your response and suggestion here :) | 03:35 |
| Namrata | stevemar:thanks | 03:35 |
| stevemar | np | 03:36 |
| hongbin | Namrata: my advice for you is don't worry the namespace problem for now | 03:36 |
| hongbin | Namrata: i will help you to deal with that | 03:36 |
| hongbin | Namrata: just add commands as you did before | 03:36 |
| Namrata | thanks hongbin | 03:36 |
| hongbin | Namrata: np | 03:36 |
| Namrata | okay i will add | 03:37 |
| Namrata | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zunclient_openstack-client-cli | 03:37 |
| Namrata | these are the osc commmands i will further work on | 03:37 |
| hongbin | Namrata: lgtm | 03:38 |
| pksingh_ | Namrata: +1 | 03:38 |
| Namrata | thanks hongbin pksingh_ | 03:38 |
| hongbin | ok, move on | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:38 | |
| hongbin | anyone has a topic to bring up here? | 03:39 |
| hongbin | Qiming: want to discuss the action urls? | 03:39 |
| hongbin | ok, if there is no topic, let's end the meeting earlier | 03:40 |
| mkrai_ | Qiming: has replied to email | 03:40 |
| pksingh_ | hongbin: can we look into https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/auto-select-nova-flavor | 03:40 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: sure | 03:41 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: go ahead | 03:41 |
| pksingh_ | how will we finding the exact memory requirement? | 03:41 |
| pksingh_ | means exact flavour size mey not be there right? | 03:41 |
| pksingh_ | wouldn't that be waste of resource | 03:42 |
| pksingh_ | make sense? | 03:43 |
| hongbin | yes, this is a good point | 03:43 |
| stevemar | oh, just one more comment on the CLI (now that I see the etherpad) -- the trove team actually made a spec added for it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391871/ and asked me + dtroyer to review. They've found it helpful so far :) | 03:43 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: do you have an alternative proposal? | 03:43 |
| pksingh_ | hongbin: i dont have now, | 03:43 |
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| hongbin | stevemar: ack | 03:44 |
| pksingh_ | if we go through nova then i think this is the only possible solution | 03:44 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391871/ | 03:44 |
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| hongbin | pksingh_: another option is cerating a new flag (i.e. --extra-opts nova.flavor=m1.small) | 03:45 |
| pksingh_ | hongbin: from cli? | 03:45 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: yes | 03:45 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: and rest api as well | 03:45 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: however, we need to deal with the case that if this flag is not specified | 03:46 |
| pksingh_ | hongbin: i was thinking sandbox should not be exposed to users, they should just know about containers | 03:46 |
| hongbin | sure, that is a valid point | 03:46 |
| mkrai_ | +1 pksingh_ | 03:47 |
| hongbin | then, we need to auto-select the sandbox flavor for users somehow | 03:47 |
| pksingh_ | hongbin: okay lets go with bestfit falvour for time being | 03:47 |
| mkrai_ | And the logic should reside in zun | 03:47 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: wfm | 03:47 |
| pksingh_ | later we can refine | 03:47 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:48 |
| prameswar | hi hongbin , you added one bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/zun/+bug/1650979 that is related to pulling large image i also tested. it is not ending it keep on showing pulling_image. so you suggested 3 point. anyone want to suggest which is best way to solve that problem? | 03:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1650979 in Zun "Zun run failed when pulling a large image" [Medium,Triaged] | 03:48 |
| pksingh_ | ok thats all from me | 03:48 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh_: the extra ram can be used by nova to host new sandboxes | 03:48 |
| hongbin | prameswar: sure, we could discuss that here | 03:49 |
| pksingh_ | mkrai_: sure, we will discuss that, once i propose the bp spec | 03:49 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh_: Sure | 03:49 |
| hongbin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/zun/+bug/1650979 | 03:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1650979 in Zun "Zun run failed when pulling a large image" [Medium,Triaged] | 03:49 |
| mkrai_ | prameswar: I feel make it "cast" | 03:49 |
| pksingh_ | prameswar: for timebeing i am in favour of cast | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | let's pause a few seconds for everyone to review the bug | 03:49 |
| hongbin | ok, sound like we already has a choice | 03:50 |
| diga | hongbin: is there anyone working on storage support if not, I will start on | 03:50 |
| prameswar | i also think so | 03:50 |
| hongbin | diga: sure | 03:50 |
| diga | hongbin: will talk about it on zun channel | 03:51 |
| hongbin | prameswar: ok, sounds like you are good to go? | 03:51 |
| diga | After the meeting | 03:51 |
| prameswar | yes :) | 03:51 |
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| hongbin | prameswar: great | 03:51 |
| hongbin | diga: you wanted to work on this one? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration | 03:51 |
| hongbin | diga: ok, ping me at zun channel about that | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | any other topic? | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting. a reminder, there will be no meeting next week. have a happy holiday | 03:53 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 03:53:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-12-20-03.00.html | 03:53 |
| pksingh_ | same to u | 03:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-12-20-03.00.txt | 03:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-12-20-03.00.log.html | 03:53 |
| mkrai_ | Happy holidays everyone! | 03:53 |
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| diga | Sure hongbin | 03:56 |
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| samP | hi o/ | 04:00 |
| samP | are we good to start masakari meeting? | 04:00 |
| rkmrhj | No problem. | 04:00 |
| samP | ok then | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 04:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
| samP | hi all | 04:01 |
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| abhishekk | o/ | 04:01 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: hi | 04:01 |
| abhishekk | hi | 04:01 |
| rkmrhj | hi | 04:01 |
| samP | #topic Critical bugs | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical bugs (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| samP | any bus to discuss? | 04:01 |
| samP | sorry, bugs | 04:02 |
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| samP | if no then, we can jump in to next topic | 04:02 |
| samP | if you have any, then we can discuss them later in this meeting | 04:03 |
| samP | #topic Discussion points | 04:03 |
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| samP | First, pypi packaging | 04:04 |
| samP | when we create the repo, I didn't add pypi jobs. so, there are no pypi packages for masakari | 04:04 |
| samP | Today I manually add v2.0.1 to pypi | 04:05 |
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| samP | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/masakari/2.0.1.dev19 | 04:05 |
| samP | I can do same for masakari-monitors and python-masakari-client | 04:06 |
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| rkmrhj | samP: Please do it. | 04:06 |
| samP | I think we should add pypi jobs for gate to automatically update the pypi | 04:06 |
| tpatil_ | Hi | 04:07 |
| samP | hi | 04:07 |
| tpatil_ | Having problem connecting from my mac, so connected from windows | 04:07 |
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| samP | tpatil_: ok, no problem. you are live now.. | 04:08 |
| tpatil_ | Yes ,finally | 04:08 |
| samP | we are discussing about adding pypi packages for masakari/monitors/client | 04:08 |
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| tpatil_ | ok | 04:09 |
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| samP | I will update the project config for add pypi jobs for masakari/monitors/client. | 04:09 |
| samP | however, monitors would be bit tricky. | 04:10 |
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| samP | rkmrhj: how are we doing with adding setup script for shell scripts in monitors? | 04:10 |
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| samP | anyway, I will work with masakari and client first. | 04:12 |
| samP | #action samP add pypi jobs to project config of masakari and client and monitors | 04:12 |
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| rkmrhj_ | samP: Thanks. | 04:13 |
| samP | next, I would like to discuss about documentation | 04:13 |
| samP | The reason is, some ppl are start to try masakari and Im flooded with emils | 04:14 |
| tpatil_ | what kind of documentation are you expecting to start with? | 04:15 |
| tpatil_ | apis? | 04:15 |
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| samP | In first step, how to install and then APIs | 04:15 |
| samP | I think we do have japanese doc for how to install and configure | 04:16 |
| tpatil_ | please forward all Japanese documentation to us and we will try to translate in English. | 04:17 |
| abhishekk | samP: https://github.com/openstack/masakari/tree/master/devstack, here it is mentioned how you can install masakari | 04:17 |
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| samP | abhishekk: thanks | 04:18 |
| samP | abhishekk: we need to document this from how setup from the start, start with creating pacemaker cluster for compute nodes | 04:19 |
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| abhishekk | samP: ok, got it | 04:19 |
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| samP | tpatil_: I will try to translate this to some level. could you please brush it up? | 04:20 |
| tpatil_ | samP: Sure | 04:20 |
| samP | and the next question is, where we can host this? | 04:20 |
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| samP | since we can not use openstack.doc, one option is to use http://pythonhosted.org/masakari | 04:21 |
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| samP | or we can host it in git with masakari source | 04:21 |
| tpatil_ | samP: I think git is fine to start with | 04:22 |
| samP | tpatil_: sure, then I will push the initial draft | 04:23 |
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| rkmrhj | Does the document contains installing steps of masakari-monitors? | 04:23 |
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| samP | rkmrhj: good question, I am thinking to put them all in one document. | 04:25 |
| tpatil_ | In general, it should include all services needed to run masakari in multi node environment. | 04:25 |
| samP | rkmrhj: any suggestions? | 04:25 |
| samP | tpatil_: sure | 04:26 |
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| rkmrhj | sampP: Sorry, no suggestions. I planned to write installing steps of masakari-monitors after implementing blueprints. But my plan doesn't contain masakari. | 04:26 |
| samP | abhishekk: thanks for the BP.. | 04:26 |
| abhishekk | samP: WC | 04:27 |
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| samP | rkmrhj: That would be fine. I will write the basic steps to install them. you can update it. | 04:28 |
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| rkmrhj | samP: OK, sure. | 04:29 |
| samP | #action samP add "how to install masakari" docs | 04:29 |
| samP | OK, I will add them soon | 04:29 |
| samP | next topic is sepc repo | 04:29 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412376/ | 04:29 |
| samP | its under review now, hopefully we will get it soon. Then I will cookiecut it and will be ready to go. | 04:31 |
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| tpatil_ | After this patch is merged, we will start pushing specs for all action items in last meeting | 04:31 |
| tpatil_ | all action items discussed in last meeting | 04:31 |
| samP | tpatil_: user, but wait for cookicut. | 04:31 |
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| samP | tpatil_: not "user", sure | 04:32 |
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| tpatil_ | you mean once this project is available in github, correct? | 04:32 |
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| samP | tpatil_: after it available in github, first patch would be the cookicut, which make the structure for the repo | 04:33 |
| tpatil_ | samP: Ok, I got it | 04:34 |
| samP | tpatil_: I will puch this patch wright after repo available on github | 04:35 |
| tpatil_ | ok | 04:35 |
| samP | OK then, that was all the items I added to agenda. Any thing else to discuss? | 04:36 |
| tpatil_ | Nothing from my side for now | 04:37 |
| abhishekk | samP: Please check the blueprint, once it is approved we ill submit patches against it | 04:37 |
| samP | tpatil_: thanks | 04:37 |
| samP | abhishekk: sure, thank you | 04:37 |
| abhishekk | thanks | 04:37 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:38 |
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| rkmrhj | bye | 04:38 |
| samP | wait | 04:38 |
| rkmrhj | oh, sorry. | 04:38 |
| samP | I am gonna take early vac from 12/26 | 04:38 |
| tpatil_ | Ok, are you available for the next meeting? | 04:39 |
| samP | so, not gonna be able to host next IRC till 1/10 | 04:40 |
| tpatil_ | Ok | 04:40 |
| rkmrhj | Sure. | 04:41 |
| samP | because its new year, I think most of us are not available on 1/3 | 04:41 |
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| tpatil_ | Let's keep in touch for important matter on mailing list till then | 04:42 |
| samP | any volunteer to host the meeting on 12/27? or we can skip 12/27 and 1/3 | 04:42 |
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| samP | tpatil_: sure | 04:43 |
| tpatil_ | IMO, we can skip meeting on 12/27 and 1/3 and as said above we can use mailing list to discuss on important agenda | 04:44 |
| rkmrhj | I agree to skip 12/27 and 1/3. | 04:44 |
| samP | OK, lets skip the IRC for 12/27 and 1/3, however post to ML for any important matters. | 04:44 |
| samP | tpatil_: rkmrhj thanks | 04:45 |
| samP | Is there any other things to discuss? | 04:45 |
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| samP | if no then, lest finish... thank you all | 04:46 |
| rkmrhj | Not discuss, but I have a request. Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397064/ | 04:46 |
| tpatil_ | rkmrhj: I will check this patch soon | 04:47 |
| samP | #action Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397064 | 04:47 |
| rkmrhj | tpatil_: Thanks a lot! | 04:47 |
| samP | rkmrhj: me too will check | 04:47 |
| rkmrhj | samP: tanks, too. | 04:48 |
| samP | ok then, bye all "Merry Christmas And Happy New Year" | 04:48 |
| rkmrhj | NG: tanks Correct: thanks | 04:48 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: same to you, thanks to all | 04:49 |
| tpatil_ | Happy New year to everyone in advance | 04:49 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 04:49:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2016/masakari.2016-12-20-04.01.html | 04:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2016/masakari.2016-12-20-04.01.txt | 04:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2016/masakari.2016-12-20-04.01.log.html | 04:49 |
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| rkmrhj | bye | 04:50 |
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| samP | thank you all and bye | 04:50 |
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| eranrom | #startmeeting storlets | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 08:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eranrom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storlets' | 08:00 |
| eranrom | Hi | 08:00 |
| eranrom | agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Storlets | 08:00 |
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| kota_ | hello | 08:01 |
| eranrom | Hi Kota | 08:01 |
| kota_ | hi eranrom | 08:01 |
| eranrom | here is the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Storlets | 08:02 |
| kota_ | thx | 08:02 |
| eranrom | Do you know if Takashi plans on joining? | 08:02 |
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| kota_ | idk but i heared takashi has been tied up to a trouble shoorting recently. | 08:03 |
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| kota_ | so it may be difficult to attend unfortunately | 08:03 |
| eranrom | Hi Akihito. | 08:03 |
| eranrom | kota_: with a cient? | 08:03 |
| akihito | Hi ！ | 08:04 |
| eranrom | client | 08:04 |
| kota_ | eranrom: yeah, I cannot say anything in detail though :/ | 08:04 |
| eranrom | ok, lets start then | 08:04 |
| eranrom | #topic Big-Tent | 08:04 |
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| eranrom | So we are on the agenda today/tomorrow | 08:05 |
| eranrom | Any comments on the summary in the Etherpad? | 08:05 |
| eranrom | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storlets-big-tent | 08:05 |
| kota_ | looking | 08:06 |
| akihito | I confirm it. | 08:06 |
| eranrom | Thanks! | 08:06 |
| eranrom | akihito: thanks! | 08:06 |
| kota_ | the summary looks great, we've been progressed | 08:07 |
| eranrom | yeah, a lot of work from you guys actually :-) | 08:08 |
| kota_ | :-) | 08:09 |
| eranrom | next topic? | 08:09 |
| kota_ | sure | 08:09 |
| akihito | ok. | 08:09 |
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| eranrom | #topic Patches review prioritisation | 08:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches review prioritisation (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:10 | |
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| eranrom | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/storlets+status:open | 08:11 |
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| eranrom | akihito: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/storlets+status:open | 08:11 |
| eranrom | I basically need an input from you. What is most important from your P.O.V. | 08:12 |
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| eranrom | From my side there is one important patch which is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395152/ | 08:13 |
| eranrom | I just notices that it needs merge conflict. So naturally, only after I merge... | 08:13 |
| kota_ | nice, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394343/ has been merged | 08:13 |
| akihito | ok. wait a minute... | 08:13 |
| eranrom | kota_: Takashi merged it few mins before the meeting :-) | 08:14 |
| eranrom | So I thought he will join. | 08:14 |
| kota_ | eranrom: i didn't notice that :D | 08:14 |
| kota_ | gotcha | 08:15 |
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| akihito | I think that high Priority topics are https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410244/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400057/ | 08:16 |
| akihito | but, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400057/ is WIP... | 08:17 |
| eranrom | akihito: ok, thanks. Suggestion (I learned this from Takashi) | 08:18 |
| eranrom | Put WIP in the commit message and once you remove it, I know its time to review. | 08:18 |
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| kota_ | it would be helpful to know the status, exactly | 08:19 |
| akihito | I understood. | 08:19 |
| eranrom | In the meantime I will look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395152/ | 08:19 |
| eranrom | seems like it needs a merge as well. | 08:19 |
| kota_ | it looks, takashi is still working for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400057/ | 08:19 |
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| kota_ | looking at the last comment from takashi, a comment says "It seems more safe to me, even if child processes are automatically killed when its parent process is killed. will fix, thanks!" | 08:20 |
| kota_ | i'm looking at the last sentence, "will fix" | 08:20 |
| kota_ | akihito: on the other priority patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400057/ | 08:21 |
| eranrom | kota_: ok gotcha. I beleive you are referring to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410244/ | 08:21 |
| kota_ | akihito: it looks like it needs more work to resolve gate failure? | 08:22 |
| kota_ | akihito: or issues not related to your change? | 08:22 |
| kota_ | eranrom yeah | 08:22 |
| kota_ | eranrom: sorry, my miss link | 08:23 |
| eranrom | kota_: np :-) | 08:23 |
| akihito | hmm. I still do not understand all the details of the failure. I don't think it is a big problem. | 08:24 |
| akihito | I think that I can fix it. | 08:24 |
| kota_ | akihito: ok | 08:25 |
| kota_ | akihito: if you need help, please feel free to ask us. probably we can work to deletct the problem | 08:25 |
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| akihito | Thank you. If there is a problem ,ask you a question. | 08:26 |
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| eranrom | ok, summarising: | 08:27 |
| eranrom | 1. eranrom to rebase the start/stop patch and ask for review | 08:27 |
| eranrom | 2. akihito to place WIP on the func tests patch will its ready | 08:27 |
| eranrom | 3. eranrom to wait for Takashi to finalyze the timeout patch | 08:28 |
| eranrom | anything esle? | 08:28 |
| kota_ | 4. I should ask takashi to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409003/ | 08:28 |
| kota_ | that's all from me | 08:28 |
| eranrom | kota_: ok, thanks! | 08:29 |
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| eranrom | next topic? | 08:29 |
| kota_ | yes | 08:29 |
| akihito | yeh. | 08:29 |
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| eranrom | #topic PTG | 08:29 |
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| eranrom | Depending on the results of the TC meeting we will know if we will have space. | 08:30 |
| kota_ | ok | 08:30 |
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| eranrom | I guess its too early to discuss the agenda, but I have created a roadmap wiki page you may start to look at: | 08:32 |
| eranrom | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Storlets/Roadmap | 08:32 |
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| eranrom | and of-corse edit | 08:32 |
| kota_ | nice | 08:33 |
| akihito | wow! you are great! | 08:33 |
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| eranrom | Thank you. Do feel free to add / change / comment. | 08:34 |
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| eranrom | anything else on PTG? | 08:35 |
| kota_ | non for now. | 08:35 |
| akihito | that's all | 08:35 |
| akihito | for me. | 08:36 |
| eranrom | ok, anything else for today? | 08:36 |
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| kota_ | nothing | 08:37 |
| akihito | I don't have topic. | 08:37 |
| eranrom | ok, so thanks for joining. | 08:37 |
| eranrom | Regards to Takashi if you talk to him. | 08:37 |
| kota_ | thanks a lot eranrom | 08:37 |
| kota_ | a | 08:37 |
| kota_ | wait | 08:37 |
| kota_ | wait wait wait | 08:37 |
| eranrom | waiting. | 08:37 |
| kota_ | an important topic | 08:37 |
| kota_ | when the next meeting happens | 08:37 |
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| kota_ | AFAIK, swift will skip 2 weeks for irc meeting due to christmas and new year | 08:38 |
| eranrom | oh right. | 08:38 |
| akihito | ok. next 1/10? | 08:38 |
| kota_ | sounds ok to me. or 1/3 if eranrom perefers | 08:39 |
| kota_ | ah | 08:39 |
| kota_ | Jan 3rd | 08:39 |
| akihito | ok. | 08:39 |
| eranrom | I am good with both. | 08:39 |
| kota_ | akihito: the expression is used in Japan | 08:39 |
| eranrom | Do you have a holiday in Japan? | 08:40 |
| akihito | sorry.. I don't know.. | 08:40 |
| kota_ | 3 days before/after new year. | 08:40 |
| eranrom | ok. | 08:40 |
| akihito | ok! | 08:40 |
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| eranrom | I will send a mail that we skip next week and meet again on Jan 3rd | 08:40 |
| eranrom | If you want to change just reply. | 08:41 |
| kota_ | that's basic holidays and someone take extra day offs around. | 08:41 |
| kota_ | ok | 08:41 |
| kota_ | sounds fine. | 08:41 |
| eranrom | kota_: Thanks for bringing this up! | 08:41 |
| eranrom | ok, so once again thanks for joining, and talk to you later :-) | 08:41 |
| kota_ | yeah! hope everyone have good vacations | 08:42 |
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| akihito | thank you. | 08:42 |
| eranrom | yep good vacation all! | 08:42 |
| eranrom | #endmeeting | 08:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 08:43:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-12-20-08.00.html | 08:43 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-12-20-08.00.txt | 08:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-12-20-08.00.log.html | 08:43 |
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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 09:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:00 |
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| yuval | Hello everybody, and welcome to Karbor's weekly meeting | 09:01 |
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| chenying | hi | 09:01 |
| edisonxiang | hi | 09:01 |
| leon_wang | hi | 09:01 |
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| yuval | saggi will not be here today | 09:01 |
| yuval | zhonghua: here? | 09:02 |
| zhonghua | hi | 09:02 |
| chenying | yinwei said that she will come later. | 09:02 |
| yuval | zengchen: zhangshuai: ? | 09:02 |
| zengchen | yuval:i am here. | 09:02 |
| zengchen | yuval:how are you. | 09:02 |
| yuval | zengchen: fine, thanks :) | 09:02 |
| yuval | alright | 09:03 |
| yuval | #topic Make fullstack tests voting | 09:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Make fullstack tests voting (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:03 | |
| yuval | Over the last 2 weeks we had 3 bugs affecting our fullstack tests | 09:03 |
| yuval | 1) xenial virtualenv issue 2) gitattributes issue 3) devstack+heat issue | 09:04 |
| chenying | you mean that change the voting status of fullstack tests? | 09:04 |
| yuval | the gate was out for a long time, and we had to merge patches without taking into account the fullstack gate | 09:04 |
| yuval | so I was thinking about making the gate voting | 09:05 |
| yuval | what is your opinion? | 09:05 |
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| chenying | +1 | 09:06 |
| edisonxiang | +1 | 09:06 |
| zengchen | yuval:but, fullstack can find some error even if all the unit test pass. | 09:06 |
| yuval | the only downside, is that if we run into issues like those we had last week, we will not be able to merge patches | 09:06 |
| chenying | but now the plugins have not been refactored, some fullstack test have not been run. | 09:06 |
| yuval | the other option is leave the gate non-voting, but consider it as mandatory - cores shouldn't merge patches when gate fails | 09:07 |
| yuval | chenying: only 1 test is being skipped | 09:07 |
| chenying | yuval: ok | 09:07 |
| yuval | zengchen: I don't understand your point | 09:08 |
| zengchen | yuval:I agree with you. | 09:09 |
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| yuval | right, next topic | 09:09 |
| zengchen | yuval:but if the issue happened like last week. then how do we do? | 09:10 |
| yuval | zengchen: fix the gates | 09:10 |
| chenying | The fullstack or tempest tests in other projects seam that is not voting status. | 09:10 |
| zengchen | yuval:+1 | 09:10 |
| yuval | chenying: yes, the fullstack/tempest gates seem to be more fragile | 09:11 |
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| yuval | until we make it voting, or if we decide to leave it as is - please do not merge patches with failing fullstack | 09:12 |
| yinwei_computer | hello, I'm on line now | 09:13 |
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| yuval | #topic Adjust protection plugins | 09:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adjust protection plugins (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:13 | |
| yuval | we currently have the following protection plugins to adjust to the protection plugin api: | 09:13 |
| yuval | cinder backup, image to bank, server to bank | 09:14 |
| yuval | and write the new network topology to bank plugin | 09:14 |
| yuval | I've almost finished the cinder backup protection plugin, and upload it as soon as it is complete | 09:15 |
| yinwei_computer | so what's the target of the adjustment? | 09:15 |
| yuval | yinwei_computer: https://review.openstack.org/348163 was merged | 09:15 |
| zhonghua | yuval: great job | 09:16 |
| yinwei_computer | ok, got it | 09:16 |
| yinwei_computer | so every protection plugin should align with the new mechanism | 09:16 |
| yuval | yinwei_computer: yup | 09:16 |
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| chenying | Adjust protection plugins, The vendors also hope that the interface exposed should be simple enough. Do we real need expose all the hooks to them to develop plugins? Can we keep some hooks in the base plugins? Most of time, the vendor only care the mian hook of operation. | 09:17 |
| yuval | chenying: all the hooks are optional, including the main | 09:18 |
| yuval | chenying: vendors can simply implement the main hook alone | 09:18 |
| yinwei_computer | I heard that some providers have already developed plugins based on original interfaces. Will there be an adapter base class to keep their plugins unchanged? @yuval | 09:18 |
| chenying | yinwei_computer: +1 | 09:18 |
| yuval | yinwei_computer: besides the api, there is another change - hooks are synchronous. each hook needs not only to start the work (i.e cinder_client.backups.create ...) but also poll and verify it is complete | 09:19 |
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| yinwei_computer | so by default, the protection would be serialized instead of on parallel previously? | 09:19 |
| yuval | yinwei_computer: it will be parallel, in relation to the number of greenthreads in the taskflow executor | 09:20 |
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| yinwei_computer | @yuval I see. do you think the adapter solution is feasible? | 09:21 |
| yuval | yinwei_computer: previously, all work began in the same moment, with no order between different types of resources | 09:21 |
| yuval | yinwei_computer: it is, but it might require some adaptions on the protection plugin's part | 09:21 |
| yinwei_computer | the adapter itself will do the adpations work, and thus those existed provider plugins could keep unchanged. | 09:22 |
| yuval | yinwei_computer: might be possible, but we should consider marking that interface as deprecated | 09:23 |
| chenying | The creat_backup/delete_backup/restore_backup these interfaces seam more reasonable and suitable for vendors to understand the logic of plugins. We can consider adding the adapter module in base class. | 09:23 |
| yinwei_computer | if they prefer better control of protection dependencies, they could choose to develop new plugins. But if not, they could keep it the same. | 09:23 |
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| yuval | yinwei_computer: chenying: again, the problem is not in the api, but the sync/async nature of the protection plugins | 09:24 |
| yinwei_computer | yuval: agree. so your concern is the effort to maintain two series of interfaces in our code, right? | 09:25 |
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| yuval | yinwei_computer: yes | 09:26 |
| yinwei_computer | chenying: what do you think? maintain two series of interfaces, and we need map the old one into the new model. | 09:27 |
| yinwei_computer | It seems to me like the compatible issue. | 09:27 |
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| chenying | maintain two series of interfaces sounds not a good idea. | 09:28 |
| yinwei_computer | or we will support incoming providers with the simplified interfaces as well? | 09:28 |
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| chenying | or we will support incoming providers with the simplified interfaces as well? I don't understand. | 09:31 |
| yinwei_computer | option 1: only provide adapter to those old provider plugins; | 09:31 |
| yinwei_computer | option2: for incoming new provider plugins, we also provider two interfaces: simplified one and full one. | 09:32 |
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| chenying | yuval: what's your opinion? | 09:33 |
| yuval | How many vendors we have right now who already wrote protection plugins? I know only about EISOO | 09:33 |
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| chenying | The commvalt is developint the plugins base on the old interfaces. | 09:35 |
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| yuval | chenying: let's start with working with the vendors and try to migrate into the current api | 09:36 |
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| yuval | chenying: shouldn't be that hard, and they can consult with us | 09:36 |
| yinwei_computer | yuval: currently we heard the voice that vendors prefer simplified version interfaces :( | 09:37 |
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| chenying | yinwei_computer: +1 | 09:37 |
| yinwei_computer | they prefer an idiot way if they don't have a dependency organization requirement | 09:37 |
| yuval | I'll send the cinder backup protection plugin, maybe it will be clearer that is shouldn't be much effort to migrate | 09:38 |
| yinwei_computer | I guess the adapter is not an independent interface series, but a reference implementation, like cinder lvm driver. | 09:39 |
| yinwei_computer | ok | 09:39 |
| chenying | ok good idea. | 09:39 |
| yuval | #topic Ocata bugs and schedule | 09:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata bugs and schedule (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:39 | |
| yuval | Ocata MS2 was last week | 09:40 |
| yuval | you can view Ocata schedule here: https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 09:40 |
| yuval | January 23-27 is MS3 | 09:40 |
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| yuval | we still have unresolved bugs, and worse - unassigned bugs here: https://launchpad.net/karbor/+milestone/ocata | 09:41 |
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| yuval | ಥ_ಥ | 09:42 |
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| chenying | I don't think all the tasks in bug list must be solved in Ocata. If it is a real a problow/error, we need fix it. If it is a optimized task, we can do it later version. | 09:43 |
| yuval | zengchen: edisonxiang: chenying: yinwei_computer: zhonghua: please assign bugs to yourselves if you think you can handle them soon | 09:43 |
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| yuval | chenying: if you think something can be deferred to pike, can you comment in the bug and/or mark it? | 09:43 |
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| zengchen | yinwei_computer:https://bugs.launchpad.net/karbor/+bug/1577698. look at my comment. I think it is resolved now. | 09:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577698 in Karbor "set per request one client for sync protection status" [High,Triaged] | 09:44 |
| edisonxiang | yuval:) | 09:44 |
| chenying | yuval: OK | 09:44 |
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| yuval | I see some bugs assigned to Wang Hui and Chen Huayi, which are not very active, I believe | 09:45 |
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| yuval | #topic Open Discussion | 09:46 |
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| yuval | anything else? :) | 09:46 |
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| yuval | alright, thank you all! | 09:48 |
| yuval | may the force be with you | 09:48 |
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| yuval | #endmeeting | 09:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 09:48:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-12-20-09.00.html | 09:48 |
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| yanyanhu | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 13:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yanyanhu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
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| yanyanhu | hello | 13:00 |
| Qiming | hi | 13:00 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, Qiming | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn | 13:01 |
| elynn | hi yanyanhu | 13:01 |
| zhouzhengxi | Hi yanyanhu. | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, zhouzhengxi, you're using your full name :) | 13:01 |
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| zhouzhengxi | Hi elynn. | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi, Ruijie_ | 13:01 |
| Ruijie_ | hi, yanyanhu | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | lets wait for a while for other attenders | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | and here is the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Agenda_.282016-12-20_1300_UTC.29 | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | please feel free to add items | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, lets start | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-ocata-workitems | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | #topic ocata workitems | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata workitems (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
| yanyanhu | Testing | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | haven't work on it | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | and about rally plugin, Ruijie_ has added the support for cluster scaling | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | next one | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | health management | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | xinhui is not here I guess | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | noticed octavia team have left more comments on xinhui's patch | 13:05 |
| Qiming | one of the workitems is about adding mistral support | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | ah, right | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming is now working on it | 13:05 |
| Qiming | yup, those are all reasonable comments | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | about supporting mistral workflow in senlin | 13:05 |
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| yanyanhu | the purpose is leveraging mistral's ability to drive the workflow of failure recovery | 13:06 |
| zzxwill | Changed to my gerrit username. Thanks, yanyanhu. | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, is that right? | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:06 |
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| yanyanhu | zzxwill, :) | 13:06 |
| Qiming | yes, sort of an amendament | 13:07 |
| Qiming | there are always work we cannot model, for recovery | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | we can leave them as user provided hooks | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:07 |
| Qiming | users can hook their own workflow, workbook to the recovery process | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | for users are the only people can decide how to make the recovery in some cases | 13:08 |
| Qiming | this is the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412389/ | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | yea, the API version problem | 13:08 |
| Qiming | once mistral is returning a "discoverable" version, we can identify it in openstacksdk | 13:09 |
| Qiming | then we add resources into sdk | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:09 |
| Qiming | and finally, we know how to retrieve and trigger a workflow | 13:09 |
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| yanyanhu | how about the current mistral support in sdk? | 13:10 |
| Qiming | nothing yet | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | need big effort to complete it? | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | I see... | 13:10 |
| Qiming | only a base committed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412079/ | 13:10 |
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| yanyanhu | maybe we can start from those basic and necessary ones | 13:11 |
| Qiming | it won't be big I think | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:11 |
| Qiming | for example, I have completed the whole bare-metal support in about one day: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-openstacksdk+message:bare-metal | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | WoW | 13:12 |
| Qiming | checked mistral resource types, it is not big | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, you're a real superman :P | 13:12 |
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| yanyanhu | thanks a lot for the effort | 13:13 |
| Qiming | one thing I'm not quite sure is whether the API doc for mistral is latest: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/mistral/developer/webapi/v2.html | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | need to double confirm | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | yes... those API docs are almost the only reference for us... | 13:14 |
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| yanyanhu | besides the source code | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | em, maybe I was too optimistic, those resources do have a lot of attributes ... | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | anyway, hope there won't be much difficult | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | hope their API document is accurate :) | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | me too | 13:15 |
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| yanyanhu | oh, I have added this sub workitem to HA section | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | for further tracking | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | and will contact xinhui for that patch to octavia | 13:16 |
| lxinhui | hi, yanyanhu | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | hi, lxinhui :) | 13:16 |
| lxinhui | have micheal accepted the BP? | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | nice to see you | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, not yet | 13:16 |
| lxinhui | sorry for the late | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | and their left more comments on that patch | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, no problem | 13:16 |
| lxinhui | last week, I traveled to Shenzhen for Open-O meetup | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | I guess they still have some questions about that change | 13:17 |
| lxinhui | and saw many old friends there | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | for NFV :) | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:17 |
| lxinhui | that does not make sense | 13:17 |
| lxinhui | since BP represents the requriements only | 13:17 |
| lxinhui | which should be speparated with implement | 13:18 |
| lxinhui | if he has questions about the change | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | link to the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402296/ | 13:18 |
| lxinhui | why not accpet the BP then leave comments on the change | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, I guess they may want to understand more detail about the change | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | anyway, BP is the basement | 13:19 |
| lxinhui | is German one of the core members? | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, not sure | 13:20 |
| lxinhui | that is what I am discussing | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | their suggestions to make notifications configurable is reasonable | 13:20 |
| lxinhui | no matter reasonable or not | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | lxinhui, maybe you can leave some reply on the patch and ask for them for further review on that bp | 13:20 |
| lxinhui | micheal need approve the BP firstly | 13:20 |
| lxinhui | as his own comment | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | leave it till the BP approved | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | have got response from michael and he said they will spend more time to understand it | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | no need to understand the chnage | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | just echo back to us if he accept the requrirment or not | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | ... | 13:21 |
| lxinhui | or lese, I update new patch means nothting | 13:22 |
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| yanyan | sorry, just dropped | 13:24 |
| Qiming | yes, need some clarification on the review | 13:24 |
| lxinhui | All of us should go to Alanta | 13:24 |
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| lxinhui | for the middle cycle | 13:24 |
| lxinhui | and f2f coding there :) | 13:25 |
| yanyan | lxinhui, that is diffult for us :( although we really hope so | 13:25 |
| Qiming | or else we will get blocked | 13:25 |
| yanyan | difficult | 13:25 |
| * Qiming not a strong believer of f2f coding | 13:25 | |
| yanyan | anyway, having more discussion on that BP is urgent | 13:26 |
| yanyan | we have only 1 month left for Ocata | 13:26 |
| yanyan | less than 1 month | 13:26 |
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| lxinhui | Yes | 13:26 |
| Qiming | just leave a comment on that patch | 13:26 |
| lxinhui | another thing I am trying to get time to do is integrate mistral with Senlin | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | whether we should wait for the BP to be approved before submitting another patchset | 13:26 |
| yanyan | lxinhui, Qiming is working on it too :) | 13:26 |
| lxinhui | ha | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | I will work with him toegtehr | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | or qiming can handle it | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | I will do something else | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | since he is much more familar about SDK | 13:27 |
| yanyan | I think you two can have some discussion to see whether there are some gaps between what we need and what they have | 13:28 |
| lxinhui | yes | 13:28 |
| yanyan | Qiming is now working on sdk support and also need some fixes on mistral itself | 13:28 |
| lxinhui | yes | 13:28 |
| yanyan | lxinhui, maybe you can consider more from senlin's pespective | 13:28 |
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| lxinhui | we have has a short discussion in the weekend | 13:28 |
| lxinhui | ha | 13:29 |
| yanyan | yes? | 13:29 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412389/ | 13:29 |
| lxinhui | about what you just mentined | 13:29 |
| Qiming | patch for fixing the version problem | 13:29 |
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| lxinhui | coo | 13:30 |
| lxinhui | l | 13:30 |
| lxinhui | Then I can learn that in the vacation | 13:30 |
| lxinhui | and see what I can help there | 13:30 |
| yanyan | lxinhui, btw, German is not the core reviewer of octavia, but he does contribute a lot to it | 13:30 |
| yanyan | so he should be very familiar with it | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | I'd suggest we focus on getting things landed, instead of the people behind it | 13:31 |
| yanyan | Qiming, agree totally | 13:32 |
| yanyan | so maybe just reply to the questions | 13:32 |
| yanyan | and have more discussion on the proposal | 13:32 |
| yanyan | try to involve related people | 13:32 |
| yanyan | and see their feedback | 13:33 |
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| yanyan | if we do all those things but can get it, that won't be our fault | 13:33 |
| yanyan | s/can/can't | 13:33 |
| Qiming | leave a comment there | 13:33 |
| Qiming | asking for suggestions | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | should we wait for bp approval before submitting another patchset? | 13:34 |
| yanyan | thanks Qiming | 13:34 |
| lxinhui | Qiming, That is what I mean by help | 13:35 |
| lxinhui | you are the god can do everything | 13:35 |
| yanyan | we can add octavia's core reviewers to reviewer list | 13:35 |
| lxinhui | I will see anything can do to help landing | 13:35 |
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| lxinhui | What comments | 13:35 |
| yanyan | great, thanks a lot | 13:35 |
| lxinhui | about | 13:35 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:35 |
| lxinhui | octavia? | 13:36 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:36 |
| lxinhui | where is your comments | 13:36 |
| lxinhui | or | 13:36 |
| lxinhui | mistral | 13:36 |
| Qiming | "whether we should wait for the BP to be approved before submitting another patchset" | 13:36 |
| lxinhui | can not see it | 13:37 |
| lxinhui | maybe metwork problem | 13:37 |
| yanyan | could be gerrit's problem | 13:37 |
| Qiming | never mind | 13:37 |
| yanyan | anyway, hope there can be more progress | 13:37 |
| yanyan | ok, so lets move on? | 13:37 |
| lxinhui | yes, please | 13:37 |
| yanyan | document, no progress? | 13:37 |
| yanyan | versioned request | 13:38 |
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| yanyan | support for credential_get, get_revision are still unfinished | 13:38 |
| yanyan | will work on them soon | 13:38 |
| yanyan | all others have been done I think | 13:38 |
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| yanyan | container profile | 13:39 |
| yanyan | Qiming's patches have been merged | 13:39 |
| yanyan | two patches to support dependency between node and profile | 13:39 |
| yanyan | event/notification | 13:39 |
| Qiming | there are some more patches about validation | 13:39 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:40 |
| Qiming | blocked now by gate problem | 13:40 |
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| yanyan | yes, have a topic about this | 13:40 |
| yanyan | really a headache | 13:40 |
| yanyan | ok, lets finish the discussion on workitems first | 13:40 |
| yanyan | configuration options for event/notification have been added | 13:40 |
| yanyan | so all basic support has been done I guess? Qiming | 13:41 |
| yanyan | for event/notification | 13:41 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:41 |
| Qiming | need to add some documents | 13:41 |
| yanyan | Qiming, great | 13:42 |
| yanyan | ok, last one | 13:42 |
| yanyan | NFV support/Baremetal cluster | 13:43 |
| yanyan | Qiming, do we need further sync with tosca team? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | yes, we'd better do that | 13:44 |
| yanyan | Qiming, ok, since the bp for tacker is almost ready(I think), maybe need talk with tosca team for some detail | 13:45 |
| lxinhui | I think there already have been a disucssion in their weekly meeting | 13:45 |
| yanyan | to support translation between senlin resource and tosca resource | 13:45 |
| lxinhui | right? | 13:45 |
| lxinhui | how about that time | 13:45 |
| Qiming | yes, ideally, tosca templates can be translated to senlin profile/policy specs directly | 13:46 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:46 |
| Qiming | but this will become useless if tacker insists that they will orchestrate things using heat | 13:46 |
| lxinhui | ... | 13:47 |
| yanyan | Qiming, if they insist, it'ok I think | 13:47 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:47 |
| Qiming | but some day, they will realize ... | 13:47 |
| lxinhui | why they still insist on the integration | 13:47 |
| lxinhui | with heat | 13:47 |
| lxinhui | instead of senlin | 13:47 |
| yanyan | just they wont get benefit from some useful features senlin provide | 13:47 |
| Qiming | it gives them a single dependency | 13:47 |
| Qiming | it makes things a lot simpler | 13:48 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:48 |
| lxinhui | all the functions they need can be done by Senlin? | 13:48 |
| yanyan | that's why they reply on heat to deploy everything | 13:48 |
| Qiming | cluster management can and should be done via senlin | 13:48 |
| yanyan | Qiming, yes, it is | 13:49 |
| yanyan | just senlin cluster could be created through heat as well | 13:49 |
| yanyan | as a heat resource | 13:49 |
| lxinhui | what other functions make them dependent on heat> | 13:49 |
| lxinhui | ? | 13:49 |
| lxinhui | besides this | 13:49 |
| Qiming | combination of things | 13:49 |
| yanyan | lxinhui, network, storage, etc. | 13:49 |
| lxinhui | ... | 13:50 |
| lxinhui | once we discussed this | 13:50 |
| lxinhui | right when Qiming mention the resource pool management | 13:50 |
| Qiming | they don't get my metaphor: heat provides you a struct, while senlin provides you an array | 13:50 |
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| lxinhui | they do not need maybe | 13:50 |
| lxinhui | or identify the importance | 13:50 |
| Qiming | they will first try model everything as a struct, that is fine | 13:50 |
| Qiming | just a little worried about their future changes, .... maybe I'm worrying too much | 13:51 |
| lxinhui | could you give me an example of "model everything as a struc" | 13:51 |
| yanyan | Qiming, anyway. senlin will be the backend service to manage cluster resource | 13:51 |
| Qiming | .... | 13:51 |
| yanyan | that will be helpful for them | 13:51 |
| Qiming | every resource combined into a template, deployed as a stack | 13:52 |
| lxinhui | ... | 13:52 |
| Qiming | that is a struct, lxinhui, right? | 13:52 |
| lxinhui | ..... | 13:52 |
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| lxinhui | anyway | 13:52 |
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| lxinhui | I agree to extend Senlin for more network/storage | 13:52 |
| lxinhui | functions | 13:52 |
| Qiming | operating a cluster thru heat is doable, but you are losing all the operations we have worked hard to provide | 13:52 |
| lxinhui | as a real resource manager | 13:53 |
| Qiming | actually we can | 13:53 |
| lxinhui | but not today | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | it is not about things we CAN do, it is really about things we SHOULD do or NOT | 13:53 |
| yanyan | Qiming, yes, that's the point | 13:54 |
| lxinhui | then you can not claim senlin as a resource manager | 13:54 |
| Qiming | e.g. we can invoke libvirt directly, bypassing nova | 13:54 |
| lxinhui | as a resource manager | 13:54 |
| lxinhui | you need consider different kinds of reosurces | 13:54 |
| Qiming | so that we can manage physical hosts, and do VM placement | 13:54 |
| Qiming | :D | 13:54 |
| lxinhui | you need to think how to control them | 13:54 |
| lxinhui | reserve | 13:54 |
| lxinhui | and so on | 13:55 |
| lxinhui | or it just a toy | 13:55 |
| Qiming | so far I still believe we should focus on getting cluster management done | 13:55 |
| lxinhui | to let audience to know | 13:55 |
| lxinhui | that is good to use it for clusteting management | 13:55 |
| lxinhui | since | 13:55 |
| yanyan | kinda agree with Qiming, lets just well play our role as clusering service in current stage :) | 13:56 |
| lxinhui | clustering should not be only a group of somethin,, | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | thinking from users perspective | 13:56 |
| lxinhui | but also managemet functions related to it | 13:56 |
| lxinhui | I am a user | 13:56 |
| Qiming | we can somehow extend the nova server profile | 13:56 |
| lxinhui | :) | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | to add more useful features regarding storage and network | 13:57 |
| lxinhui | yes | 13:57 |
| lxinhui | reason why every company want hire nove dev | 13:57 |
| yanyan | ok, 2 minutes left, guys :) | 13:57 |
| Qiming | we don't have to get ourselves limited/constrained by the abstractions provided by a single service (e.g. nova) | 13:57 |
| lxinhui | because it is indepensible | 13:58 |
| Qiming | if users need a nova server with a floating IP | 13:58 |
| lxinhui | I am trying to think the way to make senlin indepensible | 13:58 |
| Qiming | we should add add a floating IP property to nova server profile | 13:58 |
| lxinhui | instead of some toolkit nice to have | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | ... openstack is not indispensible ... | 13:59 |
| lxinhui | more than that | 13:59 |
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| lxinhui | precondition is openstack is alreay chosed | 13:59 |
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| lxinhui | then senlin should be chosed | 13:59 |
| Qiming | I agree | 13:59 |
| elynn | Maybe at least make it indispensable at NFV world | 13:59 |
| Qiming | :D | 13:59 |
| lxinhui | that is what I mean | 13:59 |
| lxinhui | agree elynn | 13:59 |
| yanyan | hi, since time is almost over, lets move back to senlin channel for further discussion? | 13:59 |
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| yanyan | thanks all you guys for joining, lets move back the senlin channel | 14:00 |
| yanyan | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| Qiming | people still prefer joining big, famous projects, :) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 14:00:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-12-20-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-12-20-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-12-20-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | Hello friends of Neutron :) | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | Let's get started | 14:01 |
| john-davidge | Hi | 14:01 |
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| jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 14:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| bzhao | hello | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:01 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:01 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 14:01 |
| bcafarel | hello | 14:01 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
| korzen | hello | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| dasanind | Hi | 14:01 |
| annp | hi | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | We have a new mechanism for branch management | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/108923.html | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | Please have a look | 14:01 |
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| jlibosva | It basically means we'll be able to create new feature or stable branches by sending patches to gerrit | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | Pretty cool | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | yay, we asked for it for cycles | 14:02 |
| amotoki | +100 | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | There is a proposal to introduce nova-compute-api | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411527/1 | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | It can be relevant to us in the meaning of how we interact with nova when plugging a new port | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | Next announcement | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | New dates for PTL nominations and elections for Pike are now on review | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404275/ | 14:03 |
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| trevormc | o/ | 14:04 |
| jlibosva | There is also a discussion about new goal for Pike about supporting Python 3.5 | 14:04 |
| dasm | jlibosva: are you suggesting to dethrone armax? :) | 14:04 |
| jlibosva | dasm: no! Just setting dates in which we're gonna support armax to run for PTL for another cycle :-P | 14:05 |
| dasm | \o/ | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | hehe | 14:05 |
| bzhao | :) | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: re python3, are you going to take care of it? ;) | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/7 | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | Python3 link ^^ | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | I think we may need to set up another job for py3 neutron mode | 14:06 |
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| dasm | ah right.. i thought we have it already, but it's just for unittests. | 14:06 |
| jlibosva | maybe, that's planned for Pike though :) | 14:06 |
| jlibosva | right, we do run unittests but they don't guarantee you can run your cloud on Py3 :) | 14:06 |
| ajo | late o/ | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, but since it may take some time, I would suggest our testing lieutenant to start poking it already | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: ok, I'll poke him :) | 14:07 |
| dasm | heh | 14:07 |
| dasm | *hehe | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: him?? :) | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | Next good news announcement | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | Our Neutron team is growing, we have new members in go-to contacts for certain areas | 14:08 |
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| jlibosva | Specifically abhiraut is a new contact for clients | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle is now L3 lieuteant | 14:08 |
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| jlibosva | And for services we have tidwellr and njohnston | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | Congratulations to all and keep up with the good work :) | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | nice to see the team regaining for late drop-offs | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | You can see updated list of contacts here: | 14:09 |
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| rossella_s | congratulations! | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/policies/neutron-teams.rst#core-review-hierarchy | 14:09 |
| bzhao | awesome | 14:09 |
| trevormc | haleyb was also added tl L3 | 14:09 |
| trevormc | to L3* right? | 14:09 |
| ajo | congratulations :) | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | trevormc: oh, right! Thanks | 14:10 |
| trevormc | didnt want to leave anyone out, congrats to all | 14:10 |
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| jlibosva | so also congratulations haleyb-away | 14:10 |
| annp | congratulations :) | 14:10 |
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| jlibosva | The last announcement is that we're out of Ocata-2 milestone | 14:11 |
| jlibosva | Which means we should now focus on o-3 bugs and features | 14:11 |
| jlibosva | The list of o-3 seems empty so far but I'd expect it's gonna be filled soon | 14:11 |
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| jlibosva | anybody wants to announce anything? | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | #topic Blueprints | 14:12 |
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| jlibosva | There are some blueprints tagged for o-2 | 14:13 |
| jlibosva | which weren't finished, I assume they are gonna be flipped to o-3 | 14:13 |
| jlibosva | https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/ocata-2 | 14:13 |
| jlibosva | Is there anybody who gets his BP work blocked by anything or any important patches that lack reviews? | 14:14 |
| hoangcx | Security Group Logging is ready to go and really need to get more attention from cores. | 14:14 |
| hoangcx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 14:15 |
| jlibosva | hoangcx: thanks for raising this | 14:15 |
| hoangcx | Thanks rossella_s for helping the work as approver | 14:15 |
| boden | Also the diagnostics spec is ready for some core reviews; it’s currently a bit rough, but once we can get some direction from cores I’ll solidify it.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308973/ | 14:15 |
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| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308973/ | 14:16 |
| jlibosva | ^ fixed link for diagnostics :) | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: how close are we for logging spec to merge? | 14:16 |
| jlibosva | thanks boden | 14:16 |
| rossella_s | hoangcx, my pleasure | 14:16 |
| amotoki | hoangcx: I was requested to review it from yushiro and will check the spec in a couple of days. | 14:16 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: hey! nice to see you back! | 14:17 |
| hoangcx | amotoki, Thanks a lot :-) | 14:17 |
| amotoki | I will check it from the API perspective. | 14:17 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, from my point of view it's ok but I would like to get more eyes on it | 14:17 |
| rossella_s | amotoki, welcome back | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I believe your +2 would help to get that attention :) | 14:17 |
| amotoki | thanks. sorry for my absense. | 14:17 |
| korzen | how about port binding for Live Migration? https://review.openstack.org/404293 | 14:18 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, technically I am not a driver...don't think I am allowed to +2 | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: any core is allowed to +2, you just can't merge | 14:18 |
| korzen | is port binding for LM going to happen in Ocata? | 14:18 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, cool | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: and since you are an approver for the feature, it only makes sense for you to assess it for merge | 14:18 |
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| hoangcx | ihrachys, Oh, Thanks for clarifying the point | 14:19 |
| amotoki | korzen: what does LM mean? | 14:19 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, great, will do then | 14:19 |
| hichihara | I'm watching the spec as well. I also wait rossella_s's +2 :) | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: live migration | 14:19 |
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| jlibosva | korzen: is this the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309416/ ? | 14:19 |
| rossella_s | sorry for my misunderstanding | 14:19 |
| amotoki | I see. a lot of abbreviation | 14:19 |
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| korzen | jlibosva, ye | 14:20 |
| dasanind | korzen: we have made some good progress for live migration | 14:20 |
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| jlibosva | so that needs to go in first before code patches get in | 14:20 |
| korzen | and we have only 4 weeks | 14:21 |
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| korzen | we should think of online data migration for that one | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | I think it's a classic case of no owner/approver | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | for blueprints, we have a person to help with landing | 14:22 |
| ihrachys | for bare RFEs we don't | 14:22 |
| jlibosva | Would creating a blueprint help with prioritizing the work? | 14:22 |
| jlibosva | oh, there is an rfe, sorry | 14:22 |
| dasanind | korzen: here is the WIP patch for live migration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404293/ | 14:22 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: I think that's worth exploring, at least raising the flag to armax about it | 14:22 |
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| jlibosva | #action jlibosva to talk with armax about prioritizing live migration | 14:23 |
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| jlibosva | any other blueprints that lack attention? | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | I will use a separate slot for OVO stuff | 14:24 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: I was just about to ask about it as there are no patches linked on wiki | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | #topic OVO/no API downtime | 14:24 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: lead the show | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | ok, sec | 14:24 |
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| ihrachys | there was some progress done on OVO from the prev Monday | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | thanks for all reviewers who stepped in! | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | there are some more patches in the queue that would benefit from some core reviewer attention | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | 1. switching flavour service plugin to OVOs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306685/ | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | 2. there are also several patches in the queue for ml2 type drivers that depend on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398873/ going in | 14:26 |
| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306685/ | 14:26 |
| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398873/ | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | I see ataraday just respinned it so it's probably good to go | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | I will review the patch after the meeting, and I hope someone else does it too | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | I think the patch was advertised as breaking on ML and during prev team meetings, so it should be fine | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | we of course will check stadium grafana boards before pulling the lever | 14:27 |
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| ihrachys | I think that's mostly it for broader team, we will spin a bit more internally before asking for more attention | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | thanks ihrachys | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | passing the show back | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | #topic Bugs and gate failures | 14:28 |
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| jlibosva | Bug deputy for the last week was mlavalle | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | But I see he's not connected | 14:28 |
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| ihrachys | yeah. I think we had that ask to send email reports if not present during irc meeting | 14:28 |
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| ihrachys | was it ever documented? | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | I don't think that's documented | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | ok I can check it and propose a patch if not | 14:29 |
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| jlibosva | #action ihrachys to check bug deputy policy and whether it's advised to send email if not attending weekly irc meeting | 14:30 |
| jlibosva | thanks ihrachys for checking | 14:30 |
| jlibosva | we have john-davidge bug deputy this week | 14:30 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: Hi | 14:31 |
| jlibosva | and we already have set a bug deputy for the next week - our mighty PTL armax will serve over Christmas | 14:31 |
| jlibosva | john-davidge: hi :) | 14:31 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: Pretty quiet so far this week :) | 14:31 |
| jlibosva | just updating about bug deputy role | 14:31 |
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| jlibosva | john-davidge: good :) maybe people are already taking time off for Christmas | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | john-davidge: if you think it's quiet, swap chairs with armax! | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | that will surely be quiet ;) | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | I checked open launchpad bugs for gate-failures and most of them are fixed by now | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | We have gate failure open to dvr https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649867 though that doesn't have any assignee | 14:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649867 in tempest "Gate tempest dsvm neutron dvr test fails" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 14:32 |
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| jlibosva | as per comments it might be issue related to some other existing bug | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | any volunteers to look at this one? | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | it's a dup | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | bug in libvirtd | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | since xenial switch, the hypervisor is in xenial | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | sorry, in denial | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | :) | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: do we have a bug # for it? | 14:34 |
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| ihrachys | bug 1646779 | 14:34 |
| openstack | bug 1646779 in tempest "libvirt killed by kernel on general protection or stack segment traps" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1646779 | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | we landed an elastic-recheck query for that lately: https://review.openstack.org/406278 | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | that should capture all new failures | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | if not, consider tweaking the query | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: good stuff, thanks | 14:35 |
| jlibosva | anybody noticed any other failures or bugs worth highlighting? | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | I have small thing | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | not a breakage, yet, but gate related | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | we have those scenario jobs in experimental queue | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | both dvr as well as non dvr | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | it turned out that our gate hook always enables dvr tests even for non-dvr setups | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | which breaks those jobs if we land DVR scenarios | 14:37 |
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| ihrachys | so I was working lately on tweaking our gate hook to enable the tests only when DVR is configured for the job | 14:37 |
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| ihrachys | the result is https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:dvr-scenario and I am happy to see reviews | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | EOM | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: thanks for update | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:dvr-scenario | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | I'll also have a look after meeting | 14:38 |
| ihrachys | thanks | 14:38 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Docs | 14:39 |
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| jlibosva | I don't see Sam-I-Am around | 14:39 |
| dasm | jlibosva: afair, john-davidge is docs liaison | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | I think someone was to take it over from him? | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | right, john-davidge! | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | aaah | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | john-davidge: hi again :) | 14:39 |
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| john-davidge | jlibosva: Hello again :) | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | john-davidge: do you want to give any updates about docs? | 14:40 |
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| john-davidge | jlibosva: A couple of patches to highlight for reviews: | 14:40 |
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| john-davidge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411463/ | 14:40 |
| amotoki | shortcut for networking guide reviews: | 14:41 |
| amotoki | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-manuals+path:%255Edoc/networking-guide/.* | 14:41 |
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| john-davidge | And if anyone has a working auto-allocation-enabled environment I'd appreciate a thumbs up/down on this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410493/ | 14:41 |
| john-davidge | Haven't had much luck getting a dev env working for that myself | 14:42 |
| john-davidge | That's it from me. The transition to OSC commands continues at a good pace. | 14:43 |
| john-davidge | Thanks ankur-gupta-f! | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | john-davidge: thanks for update :) | 14:43 |
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| jlibosva | since you mentioned it | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:44 |
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| jlibosva | john-davidge: is there anything to update beside it continues at a good pace? :) | 14:44 |
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| john-davidge | jlibosva: Aha, I'll defer to amotoki on that | 14:45 |
| amotoki | hehe | 14:45 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: hello :) | 14:45 |
| amotoki | I haven't grabbed the status on OSC transition while I was absent... | 14:46 |
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| amotoki | but I am checking the status this week and will report before the next meeting. | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | I think john-davidge mentioned docs transition to providing examples with OSC instead of neutronclient CLI | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | not transition itself | 14:46 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: ok, thanks. And welcome back, it's good to have you :) | 14:46 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: that's true, but checking documents is one of the works of OSC transition. | 14:47 |
| amotoki | it helps us identify the gap. | 14:47 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Neutron-lib and planned neutron refactoring | 14:48 |
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| jlibosva | HenryG: are you around? | 14:48 |
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| HenryG | I am | 14:48 |
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| ihrachys | lol | 14:48 |
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| ihrachys | neutron is not going to let you off, never | 14:48 |
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| HenryG | I know o_O | 14:49 |
| boden | I can add a few neutron-lib details if HenryG doesn’t have any | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | boden: that would be good :) | 14:49 |
| HenryG | I will defer to boden | 14:49 |
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| jlibosva | HenryG: sorry for pinging :D | 14:49 |
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| boden | we recently had some neutron-lib hacking check patches land. There’s still some related work in progress but I’d encourage folks to have a look at: | 14:50 |
| boden | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/master/doc/source/usage.rst | 14:50 |
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| boden | a number of the patches for review now are related to api-def for subprojects and for neutron extensions | 14:50 |
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| boden | I’ve noticed a few core reviewers on neutron-lib patches, but would encourage other cores to try and find a little time to review the lib patches | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | boden: dasm: what's the release plan for those bits we landed already? | 14:51 |
| amotoki | boden: that's my fault. I am taking some of them over and rebasing for reviews. | 14:51 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: neutron-lib is planned to be released after xmas | 14:51 |
| dasm | ihrachys: prob 1st, 2nd week of Jan | 14:51 |
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| ihrachys | ok I hope it will not take till o-3 and we will have some more time till final Ocata release | 14:52 |
| ihrachys | so that we have time to fix any issues we unveil with adoption of new bits | 14:52 |
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| dasm | in that case, we should double confirm with armax, who decided about deferring it till next year. | 14:52 |
| dasm | but i believe we will have enough time to verify it before o3 | 14:53 |
| boden | dasm: we actually did discuss with armax the other day..> I can tryh to find the IRC log | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | no, I think it's correct to defer to after xmas | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | just hopefully not to after o3 :) | 14:53 |
| dasm | boden: afair, reedip was also involved in this. and armax decided it should be after xmas | 14:53 |
| * dasm looking through logs for details | 14:54 | |
| boden | dasm: that’s what I remember too | 14:54 |
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| amotoki | Jan 16-20 is the week of lib freeze and it sounds a good idea to release neutron-lib in 1st or 2nd week of Jan. | 14:54 |
| boden | search for ‘release of neutron-lib’ in #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/%23openstack-neutron.2016-12-15.log.html | 14:55 |
| boden | for a discussion of release dates for neutron-lib | 14:55 |
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| dasm | boden: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/%23openstack-neutron.2016-12-15.log.html#t2016-12-15T21:48:00 | 14:55 |
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| ihrachys | ack. 5 mins! | 14:55 |
| dasm | amotoki: ack | 14:56 |
| ataraday_ | Hi, everyone! sorry, for being very late... Can I ask for some attention for this refactoring change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398873/? This refactor is need for refactor of segments db. Which is needed for new engine facade | 14:56 |
| jlibosva | good to have this cleared :) Any other updates about lib? | 14:56 |
| boden | I don’t have any other lib updates myself | 14:56 |
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| jlibosva | boden: thanks | 14:56 |
| jlibosva | #topic Open discussion | 14:56 |
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| ihrachys | ataraday_: yeah, I mentioned that before. I will review | 14:57 |
| boden | ataraday_ I’ll try to make a pass through the libimpact patches today | 14:57 |
| ataraday_ | ihrachys, boden Thanks! | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | The on demand agenda is empty | 14:57 |
| jlibosva | anybody has any topic he'd like to discuss? | 14:57 |
| jlibosva | we have 2 minutes :) | 14:57 |
| ihrachys | then we can use 3 mins for coffee woot | 14:57 |
| jlibosva | or we can sing chorals | 14:58 |
| dasm | enjoy xmas time folks! | 14:58 |
| dasm | btw. any updates on next meetings? | 14:58 |
| dasm | ive seen, ihrachys sent message that upgrades one is cancelled | 14:58 |
| amotoki | I think everyone is having coffee or some during the meeting :) | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | that's prolly armax to ask | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | but I don't expect one in next week ;) | 14:58 |
| jlibosva | I would expect next meeting to be cancelled. I guess armax will send an email :) | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | danm, did I miss the meeting? | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: nope, you still have a minute | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | haha | 14:59 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: now 30 seconds :) | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | and counting | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | sorry, I thought it was now | 14:59 |
| dasm | mlavalle: yes. we tried to praise you, but because you've missed it... you don't get anything | 14:59 |
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| john-davidge | Happy holidays everyone! | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | as far as bugs, it was relatevile quiet | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | ok, thanks folks for showing up :) Enjoy Christmas | 14:59 |
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| hichihara | bye | 14:59 |
| bzhao | bye, happy christmas | 14:59 |
| trevormc | thanks | 15:00 |
| dasm | thanks all | 15:00 |
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| electrocucaracha | thanks | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: thanks for update! :) | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | #stopmeeting | 15:00 |
| dasanind | Happy holidays thank you | 15:00 |
| hoangcx | thanks | 15:00 |
| annp | Happy Xmas, bye | 15:00 |
| dasm | jlibosva: wrong command :) | 15:00 |
| amotoki | jlibosva: endmeeting instead | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 15:00:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-12-20-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| dasm | \o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-12-20-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-12-20-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| jlibosva | dasm: amotoki thanks :D | 15:00 |
| amotoki | :) | 15:00 |
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| samueldmq | agrebennikov, amakarov, annakoppad, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, chrisplo, crinkle, davechen, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, edtubill, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hrybacki, jamielennox, jaugustine, jgrassler, knikolla, lbragstad, kbaikov, ktychkova, morgan, nisha, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, spilla, | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | srwilkers, StefanPaetowJisc, stevemar, topol | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | Oyez | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi all | 18:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | huge list :) | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | yeah, it's getting bigger, which is good | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| jaugustine | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | until we prune the list again :) | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 18:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samueldmq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| morgan | stevemar: ++ | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | hi all, hope you're all doing well | 18:01 |
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| samueldmq | we've got a small agenda today | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | so if you ahve something to discuss, please update the etherpad | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | the agenda is at: | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:01 |
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| samueldmq | #topic announcements | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| samueldmq | stevemar: o/ | 18:02 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:02 |
| stevemar | oh hey | 18:02 |
| stevemar | thanks for running the meeting samueldmq! | 18:02 |
| morgan | stevemar: lol | 18:02 |
| stevemar | theres more! | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: my pleasure | 18:02 |
| stevemar | we're a few weeks away from ocata-3 being cut | 18:02 |
| stevemar | https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 18:02 |
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| samueldmq | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 18:03 |
| stevemar | ocata-3 is being cut on Jan 23-27 | 18:03 |
| morgan | stevemar: i'm going to try and get the MFA stuff done, but holidays may mean it slips | 18:03 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 18:03 |
| morgan | stevemar: but that was expected with the short cycle. | 18:03 |
| stevemar | I don't know what the holiday schedules look like for everyone, but i figured I'd remind everyone of the priorities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156q820cXcEc8Y9YWQgoc_hyOm3AZ2jtMQM3zdDhwGFU/edit?usp=sharing | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | communication will be slow and infrequent | 18:04 |
| stevemar | if you need me, shoot me an email to my gmail address | 18:04 |
| stevemar | otherwise, thanks everyone who has reviewed or commited a patch this cycle! | 18:04 |
| stevemar | i'll be canceling next meeting | 18:04 |
| stevemar | and taking this thursday/friday off | 18:04 |
| stevemar | so merry christmas and happy holidays :) | 18:04 |
| stevemar | thanks keystoners :) | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | \o/ | 18:05 |
| stevemar | and happy new year too! | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | thanks all, this has been a great year for keystone | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | stevemar ++ | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: thanks for being a great leader | 18:05 |
| rodrigods | thanks! | 18:05 |
| stevemar | next meeting till be on 01/03 (or whatever the numeber is, that week) | 18:05 |
| gagehugo | thanks! | 18:05 |
| knikolla | happy holidays! | 18:05 |
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| * stevemar hands the baton back to samueldmq | 18:06 | |
| samueldmq | stevemar: thanks | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | #topic open discussion | 18:06 |
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| samueldmq | does anybody have anything to discuss? | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | just a reminder that we will be having our policy meeting tomorrow - but it will probably be cancelled next week | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | I am particularly concerned about the features which have been approved but not started, in that doc stevemar shared | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | I'll be sure to send a note to the mailing list, but wanted to post an update here, too | 18:07 |
| stevemar | the keystone-horizon meeting is canceled 2 weeks in a row, lands on a thursday | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: nice. what time ? | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: just to document it here too. | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | 1600 UTC | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Keystone_Policy_Meeting | 18:08 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: nice, thanks | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | yep! | 18:08 |
| stevemar | anyone have a review request? | 18:08 |
| rderose | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399684/ | 18:09 |
| rderose | :) | 18:09 |
| rodrigods | yeah :) | 18:09 |
| rodrigods | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324769/ | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | also, there are plenty of not started bugs in that priorities etherpad. just in the case someone want to pick one up :-) | 18:09 |
| stevemar | rderose: added | 18:09 |
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| rodrigods | although samueldmq and lbragstad reviewed it | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | :) | 18:10 |
| stevemar | rodrigods: "u'Conflict occurred attempting to store identity_provider - Duplicate entry: testshib" | 18:10 |
| stevemar | :P | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | stevebaker, yep | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | see related bug | 18:10 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: yeah, I'm hoping to fix the LDAP ones over the break | 18:10 |
| stevemar | and KSC ones | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | it will never pass, because the cleanup is broken due the bug | 18:10 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: nice | 18:11 |
| rodrigods | an option is to add the "wip" decorator | 18:11 |
| samueldmq | rodrigods: what is that bug and what does it take to fix it ? | 18:11 |
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| samueldmq | rodrigods: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1642692 ? | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1642692 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Protocol can't be deleted after federated_user is created" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Ron De Rose (ronald-de-rose) | 18:12 |
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| stevemar | maybe someone wants to organize a bug smash in the new year ? :) | 18:12 |
| nishaYadav | samueldmq, can you please send a link of the not started bugs you are stating above ^ ? | 18:12 |
| stevemar | if everyone fixes one or two bugs we'd make a lot of headway | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: I can organize it, just need to know when it would work for ppl | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | stevemar dstanek and I have talked about resurrecting the friday bug days | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: agreed | 18:13 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: that'd be great! | 18:13 |
| knikolla | I'd be happy if there was something regular and structured | 18:13 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: you thinking all day friday? | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | nishaYadav: see the priorities at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/156q820cXcEc8Y9YWQgoc_hyOm3AZ2jtMQM3zdDhwGFU/edit#gid=0 | 18:13 |
| stevemar | 9am - 5pm sort of deal? | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | stevemar that's what it was before | 18:13 |
| stevemar | yeah, lets start those up again | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | ++ | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | nishaYadav: there is a section with bugs to be addressed in Ocata | 18:13 |
| rodrigods | good idea | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | but most folks would conttribute an hour or two | 18:14 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: i'll stick around all day :P | 18:14 |
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| lbragstad | from our experience - it the issue wasn't finding things to work on | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | or bugs to fix, | 18:14 |
| nishaYadav | samueldmq, sure I will check that, thanks | 18:14 |
| knikolla | I should be able to request the whole friday for keystone, already complained to manager I don't contribute as much as I wanted. | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | the hang up usually ends up being reviews that close bugs | 18:14 |
| knikolla | but having it a regular occurence makes it easier. | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | knikolla: nice, hopefully it'll work out | 18:15 |
| dstanek | the full friday was nice. the biggest issue we had is that as time went on there was less and less of us | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | i can take an action item to get that rolling again with dstanek if people want that format | 18:15 |
| stevemar | knikolla: i'm sure lbragstad or dstanek will whip up an email to the mailing list that you can send to your manager | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | dstanek ++ especially across time zones | 18:15 |
| stevemar | dstanek: that's somewhat expected, sorry west coast people | 18:16 |
| knikolla | dstanek: lets put a threshold on the number of people, and if it drops below that, revise | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | #action lbragstad and dstanek to get bug smashes on Fridays rolling again | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | knikolla do you need it phrased a certain way in order to get approval? | 18:16 |
| dstanek | i mean just in general. by the last official one i may have been the only one participating | 18:16 |
| stevemar | dstanek: did you remind people that you were running them? | 18:16 |
| dstanek | we need to try to keep people engaged more, but i don't know how | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | knikolla something along the lines of "subject: knikolla must fix all the bugs every Friday in keystone" | 18:17 |
| knikolla | stevemar, lbragstad: not really, Its a pretty informal workplace (as academia usually is). but since i work with a lot of students, and they rotate every semester, i never get to delegate as much as i want. | 18:17 |
| dstanek | stevemar: yep, we announced it, had people updating the etherpad, but it still lost steam | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: dstanek: having a hangouts set up can be useful too, so people can just talk in there when needed | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | I remember lbragstad did that once | 18:17 |
| knikolla | so even if my manager says, yes, if I need to get stuff done, and nobody can do it besides me, approval doesn't help much. | 18:17 |
| stevemar | dstanek: hmm, okay, let's try it again and see what happens, we need new data | 18:17 |
| gagehugo | ++ hangouts | 18:17 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: initially we did. but nobody wanted to do that | 18:17 |
| stevemar | dstanek: timing is always an issue | 18:17 |
| stevemar | ++ hangouts | 18:18 |
| dstanek | it's too hard to work in a hang out. even worse that having a noisy cube | 18:18 |
| stevemar | who wasn't OK with hangouts? | 18:18 |
| rodrigods | maybe it should be something to happen on fridays | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | the only thing that stinks about hangouts is the attendance cap | 18:18 |
| morgan | stevemar: what was trhe reson for hangouts? | 18:18 |
| rodrigods | but if we have quorum? | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | (we hit that with the policy meeting) | 18:18 |
| * morgan reads backscroll | 18:18 | |
| knikolla | is there something that doesn't cap like hangouts? | 18:18 |
| ayoung | hangouts was problematic for policy meeting | 18:18 |
| stevemar | haha, if we have that many people participating in the bug smash, i'd be happy! | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | well - to be fair, I don't pay for google services, so the unpaid version does have a cap | 18:19 |
| stevemar | i can't imagine it'll be more than 10 | 18:19 |
| dstanek | i'll be happy to send out an email about Friday bug days, but i don't want to sit in a hangout. i would do it on demand though | 18:19 |
| morgan | also, remember that anything said in hangouts needs to be replayed to open development practices (irc, etc) if it is used for anything beyond adhoc problem soliving | 18:19 |
| gagehugo | I like discord for voice/text chatting, no video though | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | dstanek was telling me that the paid version has a higher cap | 18:19 |
| morgan | decisions should not be bade on them | 18:19 |
| morgan | made* | 18:19 |
| stevemar | morgan: it'll be for problem solving | 18:19 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:20 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: not much higher iirc | 18:20 |
| morgan | stevemar: just make sure folks are clear on that | 18:20 |
| knikolla | hmmm, can we have multiple hangout rooms? | 18:20 |
| knikolla | like one for ldap | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | we could use something like mumble | 18:20 |
| knikolla | one for federation | 18:20 |
| knikolla | one for general bugs | 18:20 |
| dstanek | knikolla: no, that would be terrible | 18:20 |
| stevemar | any decision made will be will be noted in commit messages and bug reports | 18:20 |
| knikolla | true | 18:20 |
| morgan | ftr, i dislike hangouts in general for a "standing" thing | 18:20 |
| dstanek | i think hangouts should be on demand and can be coordinated in the room | 18:20 |
| stevemar | let's just try a single hangout for now, if we run into issues, we'll handle them as we go | 18:20 |
| morgan | standing hangouts is bad | 18:20 |
| morgan | do an on-demand one | 18:20 |
| morgan | if needed | 18:20 |
| breton | https://meet.jit.si/ | 18:21 |
| dstanek | the last thing i want to do is hack code or try to review with 12 people staring at me | 18:21 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:21 |
| stevemar | the hangout worked *really* well for the API sprint | 18:21 |
| morgan | if you need to communicate problem solve, spin up a hangout | 18:21 |
| breton | no google account required and is FOSS | 18:21 |
| samueldmq | let's just start it, we can improve/change tools as needed | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | morgan ++ | 18:21 |
| morgan | don't make a standing one for the day | 18:21 |
| stevemar | dstanek: but i'm watching you code right now | 18:21 |
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| knikolla | one of the postdocs that works with us, swears by talky.io | 18:21 |
| morgan | stevemar: twitch programs openstack | 18:21 |
| dstanek | stevemar: i know the NSA is! | 18:21 |
| stevemar | i'll let whoever organizes this make the call, but i think a single hangout is fine for now | 18:22 |
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| morgan | anyway. like i said. don't make a standing hangout for this. spin up the hangout dynamically for specific solving | 18:22 |
| stevemar | it worked for the API ref sprint | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: agreed | 18:22 |
| stevemar | I get lonely during the day and want to talk to people | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: same here, I don't even have an office near me D: | 18:23 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: you've got the TODO correct? | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | stevemar i do - samueldmq made an action | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: I've added an #action a few lines above | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | yep | 18:24 |
| stevemar | awesomeo | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | does anybody else have something else to discuss ? | 18:24 |
| stevemar | oh, one thing I wanted to remind people about | 18:24 |
| stevemar | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 18:24 |
| stevemar | PTG, register for it soon (I have to do that...) | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | stevemar when do you want the first Friday bug day to be? | 18:25 |
| dstanek | i'm surprised that it didn't sell out already | 18:25 |
| stevemar | dstanek: I'm waiting til mid-january | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | stevemar Friday, January 6th? | 18:25 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: sure, fine w/ me | 18:25 |
| dstanek | 220 tickets remaining | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | dstanek does that work for you? | 18:25 |
| stevemar | dstanek: I don't want to do two expense reports | 18:25 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: yep, works for me | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | dstanek sweet - thanks | 18:26 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar doing more than one expense report at a time is borderline manager-like | 18:26 |
| dstanek | stevemar: just keep an eye on that number | 18:26 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: ++, if someone notices that number dipping, give the rest of the team a shout | 18:27 |
| stevemar | i have to wait til travel req is approved, and that doesn't happen til new year | 18:27 |
| stevemar | i imagine a lot of people are in the same boat | 18:27 |
| dstanek | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-tickets-27549298694#tickets | 18:27 |
| stevemar | keystone is having their mid-cycle W-F apparently | 18:28 |
| knikolla | Are you guys coming just for W-F or earlier? | 18:28 |
| stevemar | Monday and Tuesday is all the horizontal projects | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | anything else ? | 18:28 |
| stevemar | knikolla: whole week! | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | i'm still unsure if I'll be there the whole week | 18:28 |
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| knikolla | I'm not sure either | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | sorry my message got delayed | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | unless dstanek has heard something I haven't | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | I am trying to be the whole week | 18:29 |
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| stevemar | i'm done with topics :) | 18:31 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: no idea, i'm assuming that i'll get there on Tuesday though | 18:31 |
| dstanek | sounds like beer:30 then | 18:31 |
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| samueldmq | yeah | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | thanks everyone for coming | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | thanks all | 18:31 |
| knikolla | A unified midcycle is nice though, I had to fly to the nova one in the last cycle :/ In Hillsboro | 18:31 |
| stevemar | thanks for chairing | 18:31 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: ^ | 18:31 |
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| samueldmq | enjoy holidays, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year | 18:31 |
| stevemar | happy holidays all!!!!! | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: anytime, thanks | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | #endmeeting | 18:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 18:32:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-12-20-18.01.html | 18:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-12-20-18.01.txt | 18:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-12-20-18.01.log.html | 18:32 |
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| samueldmq | fungi: we've released the room early today :) | 18:33 |
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| fungi | thanks samueldmq! | 18:34 |
| fungi | though infra has a light agenda today anyway | 18:34 |
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| samueldmq | fungi: thanks, same here, and we won't have meeting next week | 18:34 |
| fungi | nor will we | 18:34 |
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| fungi | i think pretty much everyone has cancelled at least meetings the first half of next week | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | ++ | 18:35 |
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| fungi | infra team, meet if you dare! | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have topics proposed by clarkb and yours truly | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | oh, what existing things await us, dear master? | 19:00 |
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| ianw | good morning | 19:00 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| DavidPurcell | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 19:01 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | hi! | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 19:03:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| fungi | #info The OpenStack Infra team will not meet on Tuesday, December 27, 2016; our next meeting will occur on Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 19:00 UTC in the #openstack-meeting channel as usual. | 19:03 |
| fungi | (as decided in last week's meeting) | 19:03 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-12-13-19.03.html previous meeting minutes | 19:04 |
| fungi | pabelanger add openstackci::zuul_launcher puppet class | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | Yes! | 19:04 |
| fungi | how did you get on? | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | I have started working on this locally | 19:04 |
| asselin | o/ | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | just doing a few tests before pushing it up | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | but, looks to be straightforward | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | will be ready for reviews on thursday | 19:04 |
| fungi | okay, cool. maybe we can mark it off by the time we meet again in a couple weeks | 19:05 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:05 |
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| fungi | i likely won't be doing much in the way of reviews on thursday, but give me a heads up and i'll try to look when i'm online | 19:05 |
| pabelanger | sure | 19:05 |
| fungi | thanks for working on that! | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #info APPROVED "Zuul v3: update with Ansible role information" | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/381329 "Zuul v3: update with Ansible role information" spec update | 19:06 |
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| fungi | also i finally marked the artifact signing spec as implemented | 19:06 |
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| jlvillal | o/ | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/409906 "Artifact signing is now implemented" change | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109111.html "Signing Keys for Ocata Release" announcement | 19:07 |
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| fungi | doesn't look like we have any new specs going up for a vote this week | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:07 |
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| fungi | nothing is called out on the agenda, but our next discussion topic covers something we may want to consider as an addition | 19:08 |
| fungi | #topic Cross-project goal to support Python 3.5 in Pike (fungi) | 19:08 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/349069 proposed cross-project goal to support Python 3.5 in Pike | 19:08 |
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| fungi | the latest patchset for that proposed pike goal mentions infra | 19:09 |
| AJaeger | we have quite a few repos without python35 jobs | 19:09 |
| * AJaeger hasn't done any detailed analysis | 19:09 | |
| fungi | we do have rather a lot of python-based tooling, at least some of which is probably not tested at all for py3k compliance, and certainly most of it is not regularly running all its tests under 3.5 | 19:09 |
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| fungi | i haven't responded positively to the goal wearing my infra ptl hat yet, since i wanted to bring it up with the team first and figure out if we think it's feasible by the end of pike | 19:10 |
| jeblair | fungi: i don't think we belong in there | 19:10 |
| fungi | i can certainly make that case, given sufficient explanation | 19:11 |
| jeblair | i imagine that this sort of goal is to make openstack itself more operationally consistent | 19:11 |
| fungi | exemption along the same lines as the licensing argument? | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | fungi: indeed, and even language -- i mean, our java code isn't going to be py3 any time soon | 19:12 |
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| fungi | well, sure, this is primarily about making sure we don't get caught without a solution when python 2.7 reaches end of life | 19:13 |
| jeblair | i'm not disputing its importance, merely the need to synchronize with openstack itself on tihs | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | its probably not a bad idea to start thinking about it though? | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | oh, we've been thinking about it, and indeed doing a lot of work | 19:15 |
| fungi | yeah, so for infra projects we generally don't use coordinated global requirement synchronization, have projects under other (even apache-incompatible) free licenses, have projects in languages not officially sanctioned by the tc for openstack deliverables | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | but we've also been deferring some of it because we know that the initial cut of zuulv3 is more urgent | 19:16 |
| DavidPurcell | Might also want to update the creator's guide templates to include or require 3.5 http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#configure-zuul-to-run-jobs | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | one thing we could do is require any new code to be python3 | 19:16 |
| jeblair | no we can't | 19:16 |
| clarkb | like possible new bug organizing report dashboard | 19:16 |
| clarkb | jeblair: why not? | 19:17 |
| jeblair | oh like that | 19:17 |
| fungi | DavidPurcell: yep, agreed, in fact we've already started including gate-{name}-python35 in the python-jobs job-template in jjb and have talked about adding it to the python-jobs project-template in zuul's config | 19:17 |
| AJaeger | DavidPurcell: I just updated that page, wonder why it's not up yet... | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i thought you meant new patches | 19:17 |
| clarkb | sorry not new patches, new project repos/code bases | 19:17 |
| jeblair | clarkb: possibly. i mean, we should at least try. :) | 19:17 |
| fungi | so i guess there's a couple of major axes to this problem from our (infra's) perspective | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | we could also likely port our jobs that check things about our repos to python3 easily as that should be self testing maybe | 19:18 |
| DavidPurcell | AJaeger: It is now... That was quick. | 19:18 |
| fungi | first is whether _our_ tools need to all support python 3 asap, and it sounds like that's maybe a harder sell | 19:18 |
| AJaeger | DavidPurcell: ;) | 19:18 |
| fungi | the other is whether our ci supports and workflow documentation encourages python 3 support in other projects | 19:19 |
| fungi | which i think we've already mostly met? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | yes, I don't think anything prevents our users from running python3 | 19:19 |
| AJaeger | we should double check the documents | 19:19 |
| fungi | certainly implying that it's acceptable for completely new python projects to start out without python 3 support is something we should avoid | 19:20 |
| jeblair | fungi: there's a reference to an un-logged #openstack-python3 channel in there | 19:22 |
| fungi | a rough count says we have somewhere around 40 infra repos with a setup.py in them, and even auditing those for py3k compliance before the end of the pike cycle strikes me as a tall order | 19:22 |
| * AJaeger just did https://review.openstack.org/413211 to promote python35-jobs a bit | 19:22 | |
| fungi | jeblair: oh, fun | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | fungi: which violates the tc irc channel policy: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/irc.html | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | okay, that took me way to long to find Infrastructure in that review | 19:23 |
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| AJaeger | before we enforce it, we need to extend meetbot setup to handle all channels... | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | Agreed, that is going to be a fair amount of work for us I think. | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | with zuulv3 effort | 19:24 |
| fungi | jeblair: agreed, i've asked dhellmann and haypo in that channel whether there's a change to add logging for it | 19:24 |
| fungi | dhellmann thinks it's an oversight we should correct | 19:25 |
| clarkb | right I think a good place to start is where it is easy | 19:25 |
| clarkb | require new code bases be python3, update simple scripts that are already self testing, and so on | 19:25 |
| jeblair | there are some significant py3 challenges with gear that need to be resolved before systems that use it can/should switch to py3 | 19:25 |
| jeblair | this is one of the things we have deferred so that we can make progress on the basics in zuulv3 | 19:25 |
| jeblair | i think they are solvable, but they are going to take some real care and thought, and should not be rushed | 19:26 |
| AJaeger | at least all infra repos that have python35 set up , have it as voting ;) | 19:26 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, i think the fact that we don't use global requirements and the py3k goal hinges on making sure the global requirements list of deps support it is a good indication of the situation we're in there | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | fungi: yeah, and i like the idea of the goals, and i like this one. i don't want us to be a distraction for it. | 19:28 |
| fungi | #agreed The Infra team is actively working toward Python 3 support across its tooling, but has far more diverse requirements from the general body of OpenStack services and libraries and so does not expect to complete that effort by the end of the Pike development cycle; however making sure our CI automation supports the Python 3 testing needs of other projects is a very high priority (and already | 19:29 |
| fungi | basically solved). | 19:29 |
| fungi | hrm, that was too long | 19:29 |
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| fungi | #undo | 19:29 |
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| fungi | #agreed The Infra team is actively working toward Python 3 support across its tooling, but has far more diverse requirements from the general body of OpenStack services and libraries and so does not expect to complete that effort by the end of the Pike development cycle. | 19:29 |
| * jlvillal notices another thing to to add a __str__ method to | 19:29 | |
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| fungi | #agreed Making sure our CI automation supports the Python 3 testing needs of other projects is a very high priority (and already basically solved). | 19:30 |
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| fungi | everyone comfortable with those two stated agreements? | 19:30 |
| AJaeger | yes | 19:30 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:30 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:30 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:31 |
| jhesketh | Yep | 19:31 |
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| fungi | thanks! this was very helpful | 19:31 |
| jeblair | fungi: thank you for interfacing! | 19:31 |
| fungi | anybody else have anything they want to say on the python 3 goal front before i yield teh floor to clarkb's topic? | 19:32 |
| fungi | #topic Switch review.o.o openid to login.ubuntu.com (clarkb) | 19:32 |
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| fungi | we were originally talking about doing this late last week or early this week i guess | 19:33 |
| clarkb | ya basically we should be thinking about this so lp doesn't berak us again as supposedly we are using the wrong url | 19:33 |
| clarkb | (we should also be thinking about storyboard and wiki) | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I've +1'd a patch for storyboard | 19:33 |
| jeblair | 'wrong' but not 'deprecated' :) | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I can't merge it | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | since it's in the system config repo | 19:34 |
| clarkb | zara_the_lemur__: ya and the tricky part is we have to update the config, and db at roughly the same time | 19:34 |
| clarkb | gerrit is a bit easier because we can update db while it is running as gerrit allows for more than one openid | 19:34 |
| fungi | right, with gerrit we can basically just leave the "old" openid urls in the db forever | 19:35 |
| clarkb | for gerrit I think our rough plan should be 1) update db 2) merge config change 3) restart gerrit when config is applied. | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | and then question si do we want to schedule a more formal downtime, get everything done ahead of time so that when GC problems occur we do restart then or something else? | 19:35 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that's still a little racy if people make new accounts during then | 19:36 |
| fungi | the tricksy timing for gerritses comes down to minimizing the window between the db additions and the config change, since new accounts created between them could end up broken/duplicated | 19:36 |
| fungi | er, what jeblair just said | 19:36 |
| jeblair | fungi: :) | 19:36 |
| clarkb | jeblair: oh good point | 19:36 |
| clarkb | so maybe is best to stop gerrit, update db, update config, start gerrit | 19:37 |
| jeblair | clarkb: so we may want a second 'update the db' change to catch any new accounts; or maybe we just want to take a brief outage and do the db update and config change while offline | 19:37 |
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| fungi | it's not as if gerrit's under heavy use this time of year | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: problem with catch new accounts is they won't work in the interim | 19:39 |
| clarkb | actually maybe they will I think monty mentioned he tested the old and new things accept the old and new urls both | 19:39 |
| jeblair | yeah, i lean toward the outage idea | 19:39 |
| fungi | rather, they'll get duplicated | 19:39 |
| clarkb | but outage will be safer | 19:39 |
| fungi | i did test that the lp api calls used in jeepyb support user lookups via openid interchangeably with both | 19:40 |
| fungi | so we can patch those any time we like | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | are people around tomorrow? | 19:41 |
| jeblair | yep | 19:41 |
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| fungi | i am not around tomorrow, but if other people are and want to work on it then please feel free to do so | 19:41 |
| fungi | i'll be driving a good chunk of the day | 19:41 |
| clarkb | mordred: did the review-dev change, any chance you will be around tomorrow and we can do the prod server? | 19:42 |
| clarkb | I will be around | 19:42 |
| * jhesketh isn't but can be if needed | 19:42 | |
| clarkb | jeblair: we could do it if you are willing to | 19:42 |
| mordred | clarkb: yah | 19:42 |
| jeblair | clarkb: wfm | 19:43 |
| clarkb | great what time works tomorrow? say 1800UTC? | 19:43 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I'm free all day | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ok I should be awake by 1800UTC but will ping mordred and we can get it done | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | 1800 is good for me | 19:44 |
| clarkb | I will also likely poke at storyboard-dev at some point tomorrow as well | 19:44 |
| clarkb | sounds good. Thats mostly what I wanted out of this topic. How do we want to go about it and when and those have both been answered | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:46 |
| fungi | i'm already comfortable this should be pretty straightforward. the main trick which mordred already solved is the etl to add/replace rows keeping some substring constant while altering another substring | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | I won't be around much tomorrow to help, a heads up | 19:47 |
| fungi | happy to just find out the next time i get to the internet that it's done and behind us ;) | 19:48 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:48 |
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| fungi | okay, anything else need hashing out for the openid url replacement? | 19:50 |
| ianw | not that i have any great insights into it, but i will be around .au time if everything goes cray cray and you want to go to bed :) | 19:50 |
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| fungi | thanks, everyone who's working on updating this | 19:50 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:50 |
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| jlvillal | I notice on #openstack-meeting-5 that 'openstack' is not an operator. Which seems incorrect. | 19:51 |
| clarkb | I think that got traced back to the accessbot not having its nick set properly? | 19:51 |
| clarkb | I know I +2'd the change to fix that | 19:51 |
| fungi | jlvillal: i believe it gets topic modifying permission anyway so shouldn't bother | 19:51 |
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| fungi | s/bother/matter/ | 19:51 |
| fungi | maybe we do that through chanops? | 19:52 |
| fungi | i thought we just added the specific mode for topic | 19:52 |
| jlvillal | I just did a 'testing' meeting there and the topic stays the same | 19:52 |
| jlvillal | And doing the #topic command didn't seem to do anything | 19:53 |
| fungi | oh, meetbots get +O so are auto-opped | 19:53 |
| fungi | but that only takes effect on /join i think | 19:53 |
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| fungi | so probably needs a restart or might be able to just /kick and let it rejoin? | 19:54 |
| fungi | or else it'll take effect the next time a change merges to its own configuration | 19:54 |
| clarkb | and make sure it is setting its nick properly now | 19:54 |
| clarkb | er I guess if it has the proper access in that channel that that did work /me checks | 19:55 |
| jeblair | it's not on the access list for that channel | 19:55 |
| jeblair | so accessbot is broken or its config is broken or has not run | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410975/ did merge so possibly we just have to restart the accessbot? | 19:58 |
| fungi | oh, as mentioned i'm not around much tomorrow. i'll be mostly spotty with my online activity for the coming week, but should be around again normally from the 29th onward | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | and change your freenode password | 19:59 |
| dims | happy holidays everyone! | 19:59 |
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| fungi | thanks dims | 19:59 |
| fungi | aaaaand we're out of time--thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 20:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-12-20-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-12-20-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-12-20-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 20:00 |
| dims | o/ | 20:00 |
| * fungi isn't disappearing | 20:00 | |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:00 |
| dims | :) | 20:00 |
| ttx | dhellmann, EmilienM, flaper87, johnthetubaguy, mordred, mtreinish, sdague, thingee: around ? | 20:00 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 20:00 |
| * thingee is finally present with a baby strapped to him | 20:00 | |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | thingee: welcome back | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 20:00 |
| dims | yay thingee | 20:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 20 20:00:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Hi everyone! | 20:01 |
| ttx | Busy agenda for today, so let's try to go quick. | 20:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Lots of things that would be great to finalize before the new year | 20:01 |
| mordred | thingee: I have many fewer babies strapped to me than you do I believe | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| ttx | (remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary) | 20:01 |
| jroll | \o | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #topic Storlets to become official - Proposed governance change | 20:01 |
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| stevemar | thingee: i wouldn't let the baby type | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/353693 | 20:01 |
| ttx | This was originally proposed in August | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | eranrom: around ? | 20:02 |
| ttx | back then we deferred it so that a number of requirements could be implemented | 20:02 |
| eranrom | Hi | 20:02 |
| ttx | Progress was made there and tracked at: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storlets-big-tent | 20:02 |
| ttx | I feel like this is going in the right direction and is close enough now... | 20:02 |
| thingee | good progress! | 20:02 |
| ttx | Thoughts ? | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | yeah, FWIW, I've been working with the storlets team since August and guiding them through the process | 20:02 |
| ttx | I appreciated that Eran did wait until significant progress was made before reapplying | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | the team was receptive and they addressed the concerns as they came | 20:03 |
| stevemar | sounds like great progress, just a few things left to do | 20:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | last week was the date for membership freeze, I guess thats not a hard rule? | 20:03 |
| ttx | If we want Storlets in Ocata and at the Atlanta PTG this is a bit of a deadline | 20:03 |
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| ttx | (if approved today we can still include it I think) | 20:04 |
| thingee | fine with making an exception | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | One of the questions is whether the current concerns are critical or not | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should focus on the application, and figure out the deadline question if we decide to go ahead | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | EmilienM: ^ | 20:04 |
| jroll | looks like great progress, I'd think it's pretty clear at this point they are one of us | 20:04 |
| stevemar | looks like it's just py35 and test stuff left -- and given storlets track record, i think they'll get it done | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : what's the story with java testing? are we able to support that now? | 20:05 |
| thingee | stevemar ++ | 20:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll +1 | 20:05 |
| EmilienM | flaper87: no blocker on my side. My questions were answered correctly | 20:05 |
| dims | agree stevemar | 20:05 |
| dtroyer | Are we going to require a CTI or anything like that for the Java bits? | 20:05 |
| jroll | stevemar: +1, and those aren't things we require today | 20:05 |
| dims | cast my +1 | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : good question | 20:05 |
| EmilienM | jroll: +1 | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: afaik, it's a work in progress | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | eranrom: you might want to chime in a bit more on the java side of things | 20:06 |
| jroll | they've moved to openjdk, at least | 20:07 |
| eranrom | CTI==Continous Test Integration? | 20:07 |
| fungi | consistent testing interface | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | ttx: do we have a position on java? there's some precedent with monasca | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | jroll: yes | 20:07 |
| dtroyer | I'm not thrilled with the inconsistency we have WRT languages here... | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : ++ | 20:07 |
| eranrom | if so then while we are lacking unit tests we do have functional tests in place | 20:07 |
| ttx | well, I think this falls into the integration point rule | 20:07 |
| ttx | like a java sdk | 20:07 |
| eranrom | So the java code is being regularly tested | 20:07 |
| fungi | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/project-testing-interface.html | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | eranrom : we don't have a CTI documented for java: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/project-testing-interface.html | 20:07 |
| fungi | eranrom: ^ | 20:07 |
| ttx | it's not a service in java, it's a workload environment | 20:08 |
| ttx | so while it would be great to properly test it, I don't think we need a CTI | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | yeah, fwiw, the java code is not on the service side | 20:08 |
| ttx | since that would be pretty unique | 20:08 |
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| jroll | right, similar to how trove runs mysql, right? | 20:08 |
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| EmilienM | ttx: right | 20:08 |
| ttx | jroll: yes | 20:08 |
| kota_ | ttx: true and as eranrom said, we have a few functional for java app in workload | 20:08 |
| fungi | right, i think the question is whether the java-based payloads need to get tc approval as a "supported" language and have cti addition and whatnot. i thought we'd determined previously they did not | 20:08 |
| ttx | more like a service VM | 20:08 |
| kota_ | s/we/storlets/ | 20:08 |
| jroll | ttx: yes, that's the words I wanted :) | 20:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll +1 | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | fungi: otoh, I'd say no but I haven't dug too much into that thought | 20:09 |
| ttx | dhellmann: but yes, we migt want to clarify that distinction to explain why it's OK here | 20:09 |
| thingee | ttx ++ | 20:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | for the folks storlets are aiming at, they do everything in Java, so it would be odd to require those folks to learn python | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | ttx: someone else may need to do that, because I don't see the distinction myself. It's not a *service* but it's running on the server and defines an API, so I would think we would want some form of test for it. | 20:10 |
| dtroyer | we cared enough about which SDK was used, that was only due to redistribution concerns then? | 20:10 |
| ttx | the "service" is really swift here. Storlets is glue code to run payloads, and the Java payloads use a Java runtime shim | 20:10 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah, that was my understanding for the openjdk bit | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : yeah, we can't test with the oracle jdk in the gate, IIUC | 20:10 |
| ttx | dtroyer: yes | 20:10 |
| fungi | so the only "java" produced by the storlets team is example code, it sounds like | 20:11 |
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| ttx | fungi: last time I looked there was some glue code to expose environment bits | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | ttx: indeed, I don't think that's changed | 20:11 |
| dtroyer | plus a tiny bit of C | 20:11 |
| fungi | oh, got it. so a minimal shim in java | 20:11 |
| jroll | don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the storlets team define the java CTI and run unittests on the libraries it exposes, but I don't believe it's a blocker here | 20:11 |
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| ttx | jroll++ | 20:12 |
| ttx | We have enough to approve this | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | if we ignore the CTI question, are there actually tests for the java shim? | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I would like to get this clarified before we move on | 20:12 |
| eranrom | dhellmann: functional tests | 20:12 |
| jroll | dhellmann: they run functional tests with a java workload | 20:12 |
| ttx | I'll let eran | 20:12 |
| ttx | answer | 20:12 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: from the quick scan I just did, they test it indirectly via functional tests. But no direct unittesting or anything like that | 20:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | mtreinish: thats what I am seeing | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | and those functional tests run in a gate job somehow? | 20:13 |
| eranrom | yes | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | ok, then I'm satisified | 20:13 |
| EmilienM | (using ansible) | 20:13 |
| EmilienM | (and plan to use devstack iiuc) | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | thanks, eranrom | 20:13 |
| ttx | it's not the end of the integration journey anyway, more like a milestone | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | as long as the stuff is actually being tested, we can discuss a java CTI separately | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | since they're functional tests, that may not apply here | 20:14 |
| ttx | ok, any other objection before I approve ? | 20:14 |
| mordred | also, between storlets, monasca and the infra projects that are in java, I think we've got a good corpus to define a java CTI should we decide that's a good idea | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:14 |
| ttx | ok, approving | 20:14 |
| dtroyer | mordred: I think ti is a good idea, not blocking here | 20:14 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:14 |
| dims | ++ mordred dtroyer | 20:15 |
| ttx | eranrom: welcome! | 20:15 |
| eranrom | mordred: sounds like a good topic for one of the cross project deiscussions | 20:15 |
| mordred | eranrom: totally agree | 20:15 |
| eranrom | ttx and all: Thanks very much. | 20:15 |
| jroll | mordred: ++ | 20:15 |
| fungi | browsing the storlets src/ subtree, there's a nontrivial quantity of java under there | 20:15 |
| thingee | eranrom congrats and good work | 20:15 |
| ttx | thansk flaper87 for following up and mentoring them | 20:15 |
| eranrom | thingee: Thanks! | 20:15 |
| fungi | i'm surprised it doesn't have unit tests | 20:15 |
| kota_ | thanks all (i'm working for storlets)! | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | my pleasure | 20:15 |
| ttx | #topic Reference doc for new language additions | 20:15 |
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| eranrom | flaper87: Thanks for working with us on this. | 20:15 |
| * EmilienM thinks flaper87 has superpowers | 20:15 | |
| dtroyer | I think we should encourage them to work in that direction (unit testin gthe JAva) | 20:16 |
| mtreinish | fungi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/592955/ | 20:16 |
| dims | ++ dtroyer | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:16 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/398875 | 20:16 |
| ttx | I like the general principles laid out here (the two-step dance) | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | so, I've addressed some of the comments and I replied to the latest comments from dhellmann ttx and dtroyer | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | thanks a bunch for commenting on it | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | I'm good with amending the current proposal and, at this point, wait till next year to approve it | 20:17 |
| ttx | I see it as a living document and the current version is probably good enough as an initial doc | 20:17 |
| dtroyer | I think it is pretty good shape | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | there's no rush and I'd rather give some extra time to chime in on this | 20:17 |
| dtroyer | ttx: ++ | 20:17 |
| ttx | (if we wanted to approve the initial version now) | 20:17 |
| ttx | flaper87: I'm fine with doing one more iteration, too | 20:17 |
| ttx | flaper87: ok, so do you have anything specific to discuss today ? | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | however, if people feel this can go in now and amends can be done in follow-up patches, I can do that too | 20:17 |
| jroll | probably want to drop that note at line 24 before publishing, yeah? | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | The requirements management is one of the bigger issues, so I'd like to get that written down before teams start using this process. That could still happen as a follow-up, I guess. | 20:18 |
| fungi | i expect we're going to end up with subsequent changes to this document before any new language makes it through the gauntlet regardless | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | ttx: not really, I've reached out to more people on IRC and there doesn't seem to be strong opposition to this proposal | 20:18 |
| ttx | we don't have any urgency in approvign that now rather than next meeting tbh | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | yup | 20:18 |
| dims | agree ttx flaper87 | 20:18 |
| thingee | good work flaper87 | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | I'll be out next week and the one after next week so, we can postpone this till next year :) | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | thingee: danke :D | 20:19 |
| ttx | ok, then unless there are questions we can move on to the next topic so that we have enough time to cover everything | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | by all means, if there are more questions/concerns, this is the time. | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | but don't ruin my new years celebration | 20:19 |
| ttx | #info one more iteration, final approval expected at next meeting | 20:19 |
| dtroyer | thanks flaper87 | 20:19 |
| flaper87 | dtroyer: my pleasure | 20:19 |
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| ttx | ok then, moving on | 20:20 |
| ttx | #topic Amend reference/PTI with supported distros | 20:20 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/402940 | 20:20 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 20:20 |
| ttx | We presented this one a couple weeks ago and there were objections due to regular job failures on CentOS | 20:20 |
| ttx | EmilienM: floor is yours | 20:20 |
| EmilienM | well, if you have some questions or concerns about this proposal, please go ahead | 20:21 |
| mtreinish | ttx: was there any change on that? | 20:21 |
| fungi | it's sounded like there's some confusion over what's currently actually tested, and what needs to be tested, to move forward | 20:21 |
| sdague | ihar and ianw seem to have been watching more closely and think it's probably ok for single node | 20:21 |
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| EmilienM | ttx: I don't have anything to add now, I think I addressed comments in the proposal | 20:21 |
| sdague | at least from comments in the review | 20:21 |
| fungi | the outstanding concern seemed to me to be over what features/tests are currently didabled to get those basic devstack-gate jobs passing | 20:22 |
| mtreinish | fungi: there is still the disparity between what's tested. But the way the proposal is worded that's not necessarily a blocker | 20:22 |
| fungi | s/didabled/disabled | 20:22 |
| sdague | I feel like the proof is probably going to come in the pudding. We've disabled voting on those jobs before when it was blocking unrelated work from moving forward | 20:22 |
| ttx | yeah, I think the proposal is sufficiently weakly-worded to be aspirational | 20:22 |
| fungi | so the question remains, what happens if we need to disable those jobs again once this resolution passes? | 20:23 |
| mtreinish | tbh, I'd rather see things being run everywhere before we merge this | 20:23 |
| ttx | but on those issues I like to trust our QA people judgment | 20:23 |
| fungi | is approving 402940 the turning point where if the job breaks we tell people to suck it up and work on fixing the job or whatever broke it because we're not going to turn it off any longer? | 20:24 |
| sdague | so I'm fine with this being aspirational, and realize that realities mean we're not going to shut down the ship if there is a centos issue we can't get resolved in a timely manner. | 20:24 |
| EmilienM | fungi: we can't force folks to keep the job voting, if it's blocking something. But we can assume good faith on the desire to test both platforms | 20:24 |
| EmilienM | fungi: I don't think that's the idea behind this proposal, at least not from my side | 20:25 |
| fungi | i guess as long as it leaves us with the same flexibility/options we have now, i'm not opposed | 20:25 |
| fungi | which seems to be the case | 20:25 |
| ttx | We have a majority now. mtreinish would rather see things being run everywhere first. Any other objection ? | 20:26 |
| sdague | so my feeling is always that test jobs are information to help humans make better decisions. As such, they should always be treated in an advisory capacity, and turned off when they are doing more harm than good | 20:26 |
| dims | ++ sdague | 20:26 |
| sdague | which is true of anything that currently votes | 20:26 |
| EmilienM | sdague: yes, I do agree. | 20:26 |
| fungi | sgtm | 20:26 |
| sdague | and this would be in the same capacity | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | I would hope we would prefer fixing jobs over turning them off, but I agree with the general idea that sometimes expediency calls for turning them off | 20:26 |
| ttx | Alright, it feels like we have support for this to be merged now | 20:27 |
| sdague | dhellmann: or, you know, you pull the car over and change to a spare tire, and keep going, instead of sitting on the side of the road out of priciple | 20:27 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: me too, though it's a matter of resources available to work on $topic. I would expect them growing if we recognize this platform as "official" in our testing | 20:27 |
| * dtroyer has to fix a flat after the meeting… thanks for the reminder sdague | 20:28 | |
| sdague | :) | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | sdague : fix the tire instead of just removing it and trying to drive on 3? | 20:28 |
| * ttx approves | 20:28 | |
| ttx | and moves on | 20:28 |
| EmilienM | ttx: thanks | 20:28 |
| ttx | #topic Driver teams: establish new "driver team" concept | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | thanks, EmilienM | 20:28 |
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| ttx | As promised last week I pushed the "amended grey" option back to the -dev list for community comments | 20:28 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/403829 | 20:28 |
| mordred | sdague: just drive on the flat | 20:28 |
| ttx | There were a number of public objections, but not for the same reasons. Let me summarize them | 20:28 |
| ttx | jaypipes basically thinks we should not have vendor teams in OpenStack, prefers the soft black option | 20:29 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403836/ | 20:29 |
| ttx | It is, I think, the crux of the issue: is allowing driver teams more destructive than not allowing them ? | 20:29 |
| ttx | Jay Faulkner and Bob Melander advocate for a more weakly-worded clause around drivers extending APIs | 20:29 |
| ttx | I proposed an alternate wording in the comments, that would cover the Ironic case | 20:29 |
| ttx | jaypipes objects to softening the language around drivers extending APIs, but frankly I think that's a larger discussion (about interoperability and strict APIs) not really tied to driver teams in particular | 20:29 |
| ttx | as it affects all drivers, in-tree or out-tree. | 20:30 |
| mordred | I agree with anyone saying we should be stricter about APIs, fwiw | 20:30 |
| ttx | Next, cdent and John Davidge object to "strongly preferring" in-tree drivers | 20:30 |
| ttx | Which is also a good point. Drivers are using plug-in points, so why maintain some of them in-tree in the same code repository ? | 20:30 |
| ttx | My take on it is that you should either have all drivers out of tree, or you should strongly prefer in-tree. But having some in-tree and some out-tree with an arbitrary boundary is not really awesome. | 20:30 |
| smcginnis | ttx: +1 | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | because quite a lot of our driver APIs are not well defined | 20:30 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:30 |
| ttx | John Davidge also objects to the obfuscation of brands in team names, making lives of users more miserable | 20:30 |
| ttx | I think this concern comes from the lack of proper driver catalogs -- people should not go through the official OpenStack team list to find their drivers | 20:31 |
| dtroyer | I think in-tree reference drivers (like LVM in the cinder case) are good to maintain | 20:31 |
| mordred | ttx: can you give an example? | 20:31 |
| ttx | if only because they won't find in-tree drivers in there | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | ttx: at least for ironic api thing I didn't see an issue with the current wording. It's not modifying the api, just using a free form vendor endpoint that ironic exposes | 20:31 |
| dtroyer | would support moving the rest | 20:31 |
| sdague | it's not just our driver APIs being not well defined | 20:31 |
| ttx | So in parallel with this we should invest in making the driver section of the OpenStack marketplace actually usable | 20:31 |
| ttx | And probably make sure that project docs reference drivers too. | 20:31 |
| sdague | many people complain that it is hard to get things into openstack | 20:31 |
| ttx | Andreas Scheuring and jaypipes wondered how that obfuscation might work in practice | 20:31 |
| sdague | if you have to coordinate feature adds across multiple git repos thaat gets so much harder | 20:32 |
| ttx | but I think we have a good example case with the "Winstackers" team, and we have a history of creative naming | 20:32 |
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| ttx | OK, so let's take those one by one. First the proposed modifications to grey: | 20:32 |
| ttx | * Softening the language around drivers extending API. Good idea, bad idea ? | 20:32 |
| mtreinish | ttx: bad idea | 20:32 |
| mordred | bad idea | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | I should also point out that the text doesn't say "in tree" but "in the consuming projects" by which I meant in a repo owned by that project team | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I'd prefer not to soften the language | 20:32 |
| fungi | keeping in mind that it sounds like most neutron drivers today "extend" the neutron api in at least some ways | 20:33 |
| ttx | should we go after Ironic for having such a capability in their drivers ? | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | the bit after the comma comes after the comment, so it's not as clear | 20:33 |
| dims | +1 to not soften the language | 20:33 |
| mordred | fungi: don't even get me started on that | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yep... | 20:33 |
| fungi | (of course, maybe that provides a lot of examples for why it's a bad idea?) | 20:33 |
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| sdague | neutron drivers already do this, it has caused substantial pain | 20:33 |
| EmilienM | bad idea, I agree | 20:33 |
| jroll | ttx: oh, that would be fun :) | 20:33 |
| sdague | ttx: bad idea | 20:33 |
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| dtroyer | ++ | 20:33 |
| bswartz | sorry I only read this proposal just now and I'm late to the party, but out of tree drivers are terrible because they practically ensure that the interfaces can never evolve | 20:33 |
| bswartz | I strongly prefer in-tree drivers | 20:33 |
| ttx | great segway | 20:34 |
| ttx | * "Strongly encouraging" in-tree drivers. Good idea, bad idea ? | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I thought ironic used that API extension point for evolving new APIs | 20:34 |
| sdague | ttx: good idea | 20:34 |
| EmilienM | +1 | 20:34 |
| flaper87 | ttx: +1 | 20:34 |
| stevemar | so cinder wants in-tree and neutron wants out-of-tree :) | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | ttx: it's not actually "in-tree" though, see my earlier comment | 20:34 |
| dims | good idea | 20:34 |
| bswartz | manila wants in-tree as well | 20:34 |
| * ttx reads | 20:34 | |
| stevemar | jroll: what about ironic? | 20:34 |
| mtreinish | stevemar: iiuc neutron is the only thing this really effects in practice | 20:34 |
| mordred | I agree more with what ttx said on this earlier - "My take on it is that you should either have all drivers out of tree, or you should strongly prefer in-tree. But having some in-tree and some out-tree with an arbitrary boundary is not really awesome" | 20:34 |
| jroll | dhellmann: we do use that API for that, and I'm happy to have that conversation, but I'd love to keep on this topic and talk about that later | 20:34 |
| stevemar | mtreinish: agreed | 20:35 |
| mtreinish | because the other projects don't support out of tree drivers | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | it says "in the consuming projects and managed by the same contributors in a collaborative fashion, *whether by including drivers "in tree" or by placing them in separate repositories owned by the same team" | 20:35 |
| mordred | I do not agree with the objections to out of tree drivers | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ^^ | 20:35 |
| mordred | in fact | 20:35 |
| jroll | ironic prefers in-tree drivers, but has CI requirements for those, and allows out-of-tree drivers for drivers that do not have CI | 20:35 |
| ttx | dhellmann: oh right | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | it's about repo ownership | 20:35 |
| mordred | I tihnk we should strongly encourage driver APIs to be treated like apis so that people who want out of tree drivers can without being screwed | 20:35 |
| ttx | dhellmann: got it | 20:35 |
| fungi | my take on it is that there are always going to be some out-of-tree drivers because they're developed by third parties, possibly even outside the community entirely | 20:35 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 20:35 |
| ttx | yeah, then I'm not convinced by that objection | 20:35 |
| jroll | ironic also tries to keep the driver API stable, but doesn't make promises (though we'd love to get there) | 20:35 |
| ttx | * Brand obfuscation in team names. Good idea, bad idea ? | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | right, the point of this phrase is we want to encourage teams to do things in a way that makes it less painful, not more | 20:36 |
| fungi | as to whether or not we encourage that, or consider such drivers in need of "official recognition" by the tc, i'm unsure | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | and to encourage collaboration, not more driver teams | 20:36 |
| jroll | fungi: except in projects like nova that actively write code to disallow loading out-of-tree drivers :) | 20:36 |
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| mordred | ttx: I thnk brand obfuscation is a tricky subject | 20:36 |
| bswartz | mordred: forget about screwing driver developers -- it's the driver developers that are screwing the projects (in some cases) | 20:36 |
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| jroll | fungi: (but then people will just patch the tree, etc, you can't win) | 20:36 |
| smcginnis | jroll: Same for Cinder re: "tried to keep the driver API stable, but doesn't make promises" | 20:36 |
| fungi | jroll: which can be "solved" by also distributing a nova fork, probably happens | 20:36 |
| jroll | yep | 20:36 |
| fungi | right, thath | 20:36 |
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| sdague | jroll: there is still a hook for loading out of tree drivers | 20:37 |
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| ttx | mordred: I added it after dsicussing with fungi ways to avoid to turn the project team list into a walking billboard | 20:37 |
| sdague | we do tell people it's not officially supported and they should be working in the community instead | 20:37 |
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| mordred | ttx: for instance, it's entirely possible the nova-docker driver could hit legal issues with docker inc's move to make 'docker' all about the company and we could run in to a situation where a team who cared aout that would not be able to legally call themselves the docker team | 20:37 |
| jroll | sdague: I'm skeptical, would love to see that after the meeting | 20:37 |
| fungi | in short, any time we give companies a place to list themselves, everyone wants to avoid being outdone by their competitors and looks for a way to get added to the list | 20:37 |
| dtroyer | I like the team name vs repo name distinction, didn't catch that the first time through | 20:37 |
| ttx | dtroyer: ++ | 20:38 |
| sdague | mordred: the nova docker driver that is abandoned? | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | fungi : will we also forbid the use of trademarks in the team mission descriptions? | 20:38 |
| mordred | sdague: irrelevant for the purposes of example of why naming a driver team after a thing that is trademarked can be problematic | 20:38 |
| ttx | I guess it's easy to change our stance on the brand obfuscation thing. Team renames are cheap | 20:38 |
| mtreinish | sdague: there is a clone of it in the zun repo. It'll never die :) | 20:38 |
| ttx | I'm willing to give it a try though | 20:38 |
| fungi | mordred: i'm honestly less concerned about legal ramifications of trademarks appearing in team names. that concern possibly also applies to deliverable/repo names which we aren't proposing any restrictions on | 20:39 |
| mordred | I just don't think we know enough to make a hard rule on that | 20:39 |
| ttx | for reasons outlined by fungi | 20:39 |
| jroll | fungi: so reading your comments, you'd be okay with a 'bar' team that has a neutron-foo driver, to support foo branded switches, but not okay with a foo team doing that, correct? | 20:39 |
| jroll | or ttx ^ | 20:39 |
| ttx | jroll: yes | 20:39 |
| jroll | ok, thanks | 20:39 |
| fungi | jroll: basically, yes. a lot of that is because we have one place we list all team names, but we don't list the deliverables for all projects in one place (except in structured data files where the proposal intermixes them with normal teams) | 20:40 |
| * jroll doesn't have a strong opinion, then | 20:40 | |
| dhellmann | it will be interesting to see what effect, if any, the obfuscation rule has | 20:40 |
| ttx | jroll: think Winstackers doing a nova-hyperv repo | 20:40 |
| jroll | ttx: good example, thanks | 20:40 |
| ttx | dhellmann: as I said we can easily come back on that one | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 20:40 |
| ttx | OK, so that leaves us with the crux described above. Do we want vendor-led driver teams or not | 20:40 |
| ttx | If we do, I would argue that grey is now looking like a reasonable compromise. If we don't, we should pick soft black | 20:40 |
| dims | +1 to no trademarks in the team/deliverable/repo names for vendor led teams | 20:41 |
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| mordred | I think they are valuable, although I totally understand the concerns with their existence | 20:41 |
| fungi | so far the only official teams we have with trademarked terms in their names are also the names of free software projects which just happen to be trademarked, which i find less objectionable | 20:41 |
| * dims remembers java.apache.org -> jakarta.apache.org | 20:41 | |
| ttx | jaypipes makes a good case that it could be harmful. it's just difficult to judge which option is actually the most destructive | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | I can live with vendor-led teams as a fallback, still like the idea that they should be considered that and not a frist choice | 20:41 |
| mordred | dtroyer: ++ | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | right, dtroyer, I think given that we're not going to just accept all teams, that they have to go through the consuming project first, it will be manageable. | 20:41 |
| dims | dtroyer : yep | 20:41 |
| fungi | worth noting, the grey option is still my third choice. but the proposal is one i could support if there is sufficient backing from the rest of the tc | 20:42 |
| ttx | To me the question is, are we going to get more core contributions by having them in, or by keeping them out | 20:42 |
| ttx | (by core I mean contributions to the consuming service) | 20:43 |
| dtroyer | given the (perception at least) of the current corporate climate, we're going to see a lot of minimal amount of effort stuff I am afraid | 20:43 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: good point | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | I'm leaning towards in. I don't think keeping them out is not really going to help with getting more contributions, I think | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | I suppose if we say no to the teams, we just wouldn't see their efforts at all. | 20:44 |
| mordred | I don't think core contributions is the only thing that's relevant - I think empowering our consumers to use the hardware items they want to use is also important, and sometimes that may involve empowering the vendor of that thing to maintain something nobody else cares about | 20:44 |
| ttx | another way to put it would be... will we get enough extra core contributions to justify compromising on our open collaboration principles | 20:44 |
| mordred | even if we don't like that vendor | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | mordred : yes, good point | 20:44 |
| dims | my opinion, driver team option is a safety valve to keep folks in. so +1 | 20:44 |
| jroll | idk. with the cisco team as a specific example, sambetts is an ironic core, that team cares about cisco stuff working in the entire openstack ecosystem, not just their neutron driver | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | mordred: +1 | 20:44 |
| fungi | i mostly just want to make sure that companies coming to us trying to get their "driver team" listed to raise their visibility have somewhere "better" we can direct them (e.g., driver marketplace on www.o.o) | 20:44 |
| mordred | fungi: + | 20:44 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 20:44 |
| jroll | sam is a heavy driver (heh) of a lot of ironic's networking work | 20:44 |
| mordred | jroll: yes. that is the healthy way to do things and what we should _always_ prefer | 20:45 |
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| dhellmann | jroll : I think it speaks highly that they asked to be an official team under the existing rules. | 20:45 |
| sdague | right, if the source code lives in gerrit, it means that users are empowered even if their vendor abandons the effort down the road. There is a collaboration space | 20:45 |
| dtroyer | what I do like about the driver teams is that ensures that the cose as it stands is available for customers should the vendor disappear. it isn't sufficient, but better than it being buried and possibly disappeared on github in that case | 20:45 |
| dtroyer | s/cose/code/ | 20:45 |
| mordred | dtroyer: ++ | 20:45 |
| jroll | (I can't speak for other vendor teams, of course) | 20:45 |
| sdague | and it's part of the workflow that lets someone understand how to work on common code | 20:45 |
| mordred | also - a vendor who wants a driver team to be official is saying that they'd LIKE non-company people - they may just not have any | 20:45 |
| fungi | dtroyer: the irony there is that if the vendor abandons that repo and some other unrelated team takes it over, they could probably qualify as an official team under our existing rules ;) | 20:45 |
| jroll | I like this grey option in that the TC will prefer to try to get the team to work with the project they plug into first, and being a separate team as a fallback | 20:46 |
| mordred | if a company wants to do out of tree drivers just with themselves, the overhead to doing things 'officially' is silly for them to carry | 20:46 |
| ttx | To avoid the "contributes only to their driver team and consider it's contributing enough to openstack as a result" -- we could list driver teams ina subcategory in stackalytics | 20:46 |
| jroll | allows folks on both sides to document why it doesn't fit | 20:46 |
| sdague | because, our workflow is different enough from what's considered norms today, that any additional ways to get there are good | 20:46 |
| dtroyer | fungi: I would hope in that case moving back into the project team oversight is what happens | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | jroll: indeed | 20:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels like we should welcome them into the community to learn form each other on how to be successful at doing this thing, I don't want to exclude them, it hurts our users wanting to use their things if they do it badly | 20:46 |
| fungi | dtroyer: if the consuming project team would allow it, but some do not want that added responsibility | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : ++ | 20:46 |
| ttx | ok, I feel a group leaning toward "in" | 20:47 |
| * dhellmann is happy to see others making the same arguments that led to starting this whole mess | 20:47 | |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 20:47 |
| ttx | I can live by both outcomes at this point (grey or softblack) | 20:47 |
| jroll | dhellmann: :) | 20:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least its explicitly messy | 20:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | (now) | 20:47 |
| ttx | any other advocate for "out" ? | 20:47 |
| mtreinish | what I'm still struggling with is what "in" actually means here, and the benefits it provides a driver team | 20:48 |
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| ttx | (Because if I read your previous answers I should actually not modify grey) | 20:48 |
| mtreinish | like the infra workflow was always available to them as was hosting a repo in openstack/ | 20:48 |
| ttx | mtreinish: they become an official openstack project team, with controlled /limited scope | 20:48 |
| dims | mtreinish : access to horizontal teams | 20:48 |
| ttx | mtreinish: vote for TC | 20:48 |
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| jroll | mtreinish: docs.openstack.org access is the main thing people want, from what I've heard | 20:48 |
| ttx | PTG space | 20:48 |
| stevemar | thanks for asking mtreinish | 20:49 |
| mtreinish | so docs.o.o, a tc vote, and ptg access? | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : they're asking to be "in". We don't currently say there must be a benefit to any other teams asking to join. | 20:49 |
| stevemar | jroll: the part of docs.o.o? the developer docs? or guides? | 20:49 |
| jroll | ATC/PTG, folks are happy to have, but don't care as much, afaict | 20:49 |
| thingee | jroll +1 heard that from neutron folks | 20:49 |
| jroll | stevemar: being able to publish anything anywhere on that site (primarily dev docs, but now install guide plugins etc) | 20:49 |
| mordred | I think these are people who have banked a bunch on openstack, and they want us to consider them one of us | 20:49 |
| * stevemar nods | 20:49 | |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: well in this case it matters because we're defining a new subset of projects that is different | 20:49 |
| thingee | stevemar vendors want to be able to document setting up an environment with their drivers. | 20:50 |
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| stevemar | thingee: that sounds perfectly reasonable | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : why does that make it matter? are you worried we're giving up too much somehow? | 20:50 |
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| thingee | I agree. current rules disallow neutron drivers today though | 20:50 |
| ttx | If you made your decision can you cast your +1 for either proposal ? Just so that we know where we stand | 20:50 |
| ttx | Looks like overwhelming support for grey as it stands | 20:51 |
| fungi | one remaining concern i have with the grey option is that it may imply, to teams who end up developing drivers without skewed employer affiliation using publicly available specifications and/or reverse-engineering, that they're supposed to apply as a driver team and don't realize they could be full-fledged project teams | 20:51 |
| ttx | I'm fine approving it now since we covered all the objections that were raised and decided to bypass them | 20:51 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: I am concerned about that because these teams are very specifically about a single product. The level playing field thing is there for a reason | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | fungi : we can guide them when they apply for status | 20:51 |
| dims | agree dhellmann | 20:52 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yes, i hope we'll be aware enough to do so | 20:52 |
| ttx | yes we need to accompany those, and probably write a bunch for the project team guide | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : are you concerned about what the teams get, or what we get? I don't see how the single product question is related to your earlier question. | 20:52 |
| mordred | mtreinish: yah - I do not think we should allow single-vendor services | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | I also don't think we should keep driver teams if they do not accept valid contributions from outside the vendor. | 20:52 |
| thingee | mordred mtreinish ++ | 20:53 |
| mordred | dhellmann: ++ | 20:53 |
| mordred | dhellmann: we should maybe encode that | 20:53 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: I'm trying to weigh what the community gets vs what the vendor gets | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | perhaps, I had trouble coming up with wording | 20:53 |
| ttx | ok, should we approve this now or discuss it one more time | 20:53 |
| mordred | dhellmann: fair | 20:53 |
| ttx | because I have stuff to discuss in open discussion | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : so you're worried that vendors will ask to live under our rules and somehow hoodwink us into giving them more benefit than we get? | 20:53 |
| jroll | dhellmann: I feel like the outside contributions thing is part of "open development" | 20:53 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ok | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | jroll : yep | 20:54 |
| fungi | i'm okay pressing forward. while grey is not my preference, my concerns are addressed sufficiently by it | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | I'm ok with the proposal as it is | 20:54 |
| stevemar | ttx: is today the cutoff for driver teams getting ptg space? | 20:54 |
| dims | y, already has my +1 | 20:54 |
| EmilienM | same | 20:54 |
| ttx | stevemar: not really. But some teams have been patiently waiting that we get our house in order | 20:54 |
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| ttx | mtreinish: ? | 20:55 |
| ttx | can you live by it ? | 20:55 |
| stevemar | gotcha | 20:55 |
| mtreinish | ttx: I'd be fine with it. But I still have concerns | 20:55 |
| * fungi still finds those leadership training catchphrases mildly creepy | 20:55 | |
| ttx | concerns that we can address in subsequent changes ? | 20:56 |
| mtreinish | I'm not sure, I think it's a more fundamental question about why | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | ttx: perhaps we should postpone it till next year with the language one | 20:56 |
| ttx | ok, let's not rush it | 20:56 |
| thingee | yes, four mins left too | 20:56 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:56 |
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| ttx | * Joint TC/Board meeting | 20:56 |
| ttx | I had an exchange with Alan and we agreed that tacking a half-day at the start or the end of a long PTG week wasn't likely to deliver the desired results | 20:57 |
| mtreinish | like I think the rules outlined make sense, I'm just worried about the implications of it | 20:57 |
| ttx | They are now looking into a specific 1-day or 2-day workshop to make progress on the "OpenStack futures" discussion | 20:57 |
| ttx | Which might be tied to a future ops meetup or OpenStack Day or leadership training to make the trip worthwhile | 20:57 |
| ttx | Long story short, won't happen on Sunday or Friday of the PTG, so you can book your flights | 20:57 |
| dims | great thanks ttx | 20:57 |
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| ttx | (I'll likely arrive Saturday afternoon, so I'm happy to see people on Sunday) | 20:57 |
| persia | Tying it to something is very appealing for those of us who wish to observe. | 20:57 |
| ttx | * Election officials for Pike PTL elections | 20:57 |
| ttx | We have volunteers to be "officials": tristanC & diablo_rojo | 20:58 |
| ttx | (They said they would not run for PTL election) | 20:58 |
| jroll | persia: ++ | 20:58 |
| ttx | If you don't have objections, I propose we let them start organizing since we don't have that much time left | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:58 |
| dtroyer | ++ | 20:58 |
| ttx | * Skipping next two meetings | 20:58 |
| fungi | thanks for volunteering, tristanC and diablo_rojo! | 20:58 |
| ttx | Dec 27 is likely to be lightly-attended | 20:58 |
| dims | ++ ttx | 20:58 |
| EmilienM | ttx: no objection | 20:58 |
| ttx | Jan 3... we could have a meeting then, especially since we now have a bit of a backlog | 20:58 |
| ttx | you tell me | 20:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | ++ for both of those | 20:58 |
| dims | +1 to skip | 20:58 |
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| mtreinish | +1 | 20:58 |
| dtroyer | +1 on Jan 3 next meeting | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | +1 to skip the 27th and meet on Jan 3 | 20:59 |
| dims | +1 to Jan 3 | 20:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, 3rd seems fine for me | 20:59 |
| fungi | i'll need excusing from any meeting on the 27th but am available for the 3rd | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | I'll be out on Jan 3, likely | 20:59 |
| EmilienM | wait, I thought we would meet and celebrate together | 20:59 |
| EmilienM | oh well, +1 then :-) | 20:59 |
| ttx | let's close the driver-team stuff on Jan 3rd ? | 20:59 |
| thingee | +1 to skip 27th, next meeting jan 3 | 20:59 |
| ttx | mtreinish: you'll be around ? | 20:59 |
| mtreinish | on jan 3rd? | 20:59 |
| mtreinish | yeah | 20:59 |
| ttx | ok | 20:59 |
| sdague | +1 for skip 27th | 20:59 |
| ttx | #agreed skip the 27th and meet on Jan 3 | 20:59 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:00 |
| ttx | with 0 seconds left ? | 21:00 |
| jroll | he says at the buzzer :) | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 20 21:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| stevemar | i think were good | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-12-20-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-12-20-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| sdague | enjoy the holidays folks | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-12-20-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | and happy new year! | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | thanks ttx for chairing! | 21:00 |
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| EmilienM | sdague: ++ | 21:00 |
| jroll | thanks ttx, see y'all next year | 21:00 |
| stevemar | happy holidays all | 21:00 |
| thingee | happy holidays! | 21:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | have a good one all! | 21:00 |
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