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| JRobinson__ | hello all o/ the OpenStack Docs meeting for APAC will start in about 15 minutes | 00:14 |
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| JRobinson__ | APAC docs meeting starting in a moment, | 00:30 |
| loquacities | hi everyone! | 00:31 |
| loquacities | ready for a docs meeting? | 00:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | moo? | 00:31 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 00:31:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:31 |
| loquacities | heya Sam-I-Am | 00:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 00:31 |
| loquacities | haven't seen you in this tz for a while ;) | 00:31 |
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| loquacities | who do we have here? | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, sort of trying to cut back on crazy hours... and have some other things going on in the evenings. | 00:32 |
| darrenc | hi | 00:32 |
| loquacities | sounds smart! | 00:32 |
| loquacities | heya darrenc | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | but alas, i'm around tonight | 00:32 |
| loquacities | well, our gain, anyway :) | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems kind of quiet | 00:34 |
| loquacities | it does | 00:34 |
| loquacities | no sign of katomo? | 00:34 |
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| katomo | hi | 00:34 |
| loquacities | oh hi! | 00:34 |
| katomo | good morning :) | 00:34 |
| loquacities | ok, we can probably call that quorum | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | good morning | 00:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | Yep, five contributors here. | 00:34 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:35 | |
| loquacities | doesn't look like we have any | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #topic Specs in review | 00:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:35 | |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336007/ | 00:35 |
| loquacities | this is on release notes guidelines | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345639/ | 00:36 |
| loquacities | and this is anne's spec about fixing hyphenation in RST filenames | 00:36 |
| loquacities | so both of those are worth a look | 00:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | the first one seems useful. release notes are usually awful. | 00:36 |
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| loquacities | yeah, that's come out of discussions at summit | 00:36 |
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| JRobinson__ | The filename spec lists exactly what docs need adjustment in the work items | 00:37 |
| loquacities | yes, i believe anne is going to enlist the relevant speciality teams | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | I can work on some of the User Guide items, and Olena has also offered help | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | I think it's fixable for Newton | 00:37 |
| loquacities | cool! | 00:38 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 00:38 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams | 00:38 |
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| loquacities | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 00:38 |
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| loquacities | so, we have a new leader looking after the HA Guide now | 00:38 |
| loquacities | Andrew Beekhof | 00:39 |
| loquacities | hopefully that will help get that book going again | 00:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure hope so | 00:39 |
| loquacities | +1 | 00:39 |
| JRobinson__ | Good to have a new leader. | 00:39 |
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| katomo | +1 | 00:39 |
| loquacities | otherwise, anne's been working hard on apip guides | 00:39 |
| loquacities | oh, and the arch guide working group is worth mentioning, too | 00:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | now the user guide needs some love with the osc :) | 00:40 |
| katomo | hm | 00:40 |
| loquacities | true | 00:41 |
| katomo | Sam-I-Am: good point | 00:41 |
| JRobinson__ | Sam-I-Am, yes I'm adding the osc item to a spec | 00:41 |
| loquacities | we probably need a push to get some more contributors to that team | 00:41 |
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| loquacities | i think JRobinson__ is feeling a little lonely ;) | 00:41 |
| JRobinson__ | The spec is for small IA and consistency edits carried over from mitaka | 00:41 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, I'll have an update for the newsletter this week too | 00:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | we need more contributors of original content, in general | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | Only other user guide item is this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1375506 | 00:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1375506 in openstack-manuals "Manual recovery in cloud admin guide - assumes shared storage" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Joseph Robinson (joseph-r-email) | 00:42 |
| loquacities | cool | 00:42 |
| loquacities | i'll send the reminder out about speciality team reports after this meeting | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | ^I contacted Sean Dague and Michael Still for Docs Liason help. | 00:42 |
| loquacities | good plan | 00:42 |
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| loquacities | any other questions/comments on speciality teams? | 00:43 |
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| loquacities | oh, actually | 00:43 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am and JRobinson__ i got contacted by a networking guy who wants to get started committing to docs | 00:43 |
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| loquacities | name of Vijay Oks | 00:43 |
| loquacities | i pointed him in your (respective) direction | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | networking guy... | 00:44 |
| loquacities | that's about all i know about him | 00:44 |
| JRobinson__ | good to know, thank you. | 00:44 |
| loquacities | i might send an email intro for you both | 00:44 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on then | 00:44 |
| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release | 00:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to release (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:45 | |
| loquacities | #info 70 days | 00:45 |
| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 00:45 |
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| JRobinson__ | 10 weeks exactly. | 00:45 |
| loquacities | yep | 00:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | they come around too quickly | 00:45 |
| loquacities | it's true | 00:45 |
| katomo | :) | 00:45 |
| loquacities | so, i'm actually feeling pretty good about the deliverables list at this point | 00:46 |
| loquacities | does anyone have any questions or concerns on release tasks? | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | Not at the moment. I think I can still complete the User Guide Newton items. | 00:47 |
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| loquacities | cool | 00:47 |
| JRobinson__ | There's no large scale reorg this release. | 00:47 |
| loquacities | yeah, it helps :) | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | the net guide got a somewhat unexpected reorg :) | 00:47 |
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| loquacities | heh, yeah, i saw that :P | 00:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | Minor Changes | 00:48 |
| loquacities | ok, that brings us to ... | 00:48 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 00:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | should we backport the net guide reorg to mitaka? | 00:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | discuss! | 00:49 |
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| loquacities | what's the argument for doing it? | 00:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its a mess now, and a lot of people will continue to use mitaka for the forseeable future | 00:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | plus it makes changes to mitaka easier | 00:49 |
| loquacities | that's a reasonable argument | 00:50 |
| loquacities | is it difficult to do? | 00:50 |
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| JRobinson__ | Depending on the use stats for Mitaka, it might be useful. | 00:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | backporting changes in general or backporting this change? | 00:50 |
| loquacities | this one in particular | 00:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | its easy to do | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | just need to supply redirects | 00:51 |
| loquacities | in that case, it's probably worth doing | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, guess i'll submit it and see what happens | 00:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | and a separate patch for the redirs | 00:52 |
| loquacities | good luck, and godspeed | 00:52 |
| loquacities | ok, anything else? | 00:52 |
| katomo | great work | 00:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm also planning to update the scenarios when i get some time | 00:53 |
| loquacities | \o/ | 00:53 |
| loquacities | cool, ok, thanks everyone :) | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | #endmeeting | 00:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 00:54 | |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 00:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 00:54:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-27-00.31.html | 00:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-27-00.31.txt | 00:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-27-00.31.log.html | 00:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | time to un-work for the night... later | 00:54 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 00:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | Thanks everyone :) | 00:54 |
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| loquacities | o/ | 00:54 |
| darrenc | thanks everyone | 00:54 |
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| therve | #startmeeting heat | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 08:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:00 |
| therve | #topic Roll call | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
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| stevebaker | heya | 08:00 |
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| elynn_ | o/ | 08:00 |
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| therve | ramishra, Around? | 08:02 |
| tiantian | hi | 08:02 |
| ramishra | hi | 08:02 |
| therve | That'll be a quick one :) | 08:03 |
| therve | #topic Adding items to agenda | 08:03 |
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| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-07-27_0800_UTC.29 | 08:03 |
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| therve | #topic Gate status | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:04 | |
| therve | It seems relatively bad these past couple of days, but it doesn't look like our fault | 08:05 |
| therve | Infra seems particularly slow | 08:05 |
| stevebaker | http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 08:05 |
| therve | ramishra, Noticed anything? | 08:06 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Yeah not sure there is a bug in there per se | 08:06 |
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| therve | Nodes are just super super slow and we timeout a lot | 08:06 |
| stevebaker | Bug 1546431 may have gotten worse after ramishra's last change landed, but it may be completely unrelated | 08:06 |
| openstack | bug 1546431 in heat "Tests fails with SQL error 'Command Out of Sync'" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546431 - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) | 08:06 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Where have you seen it? | 08:07 |
| stevebaker | therve: I've seen a couple of fedora image download timeouts | 08:07 |
| therve | Yeah... Still better than the previous download I think | 08:07 |
| stevebaker | therve: in the chart on http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 08:07 |
| therve | And at least it fails fast :) | 08:07 |
| ramishra | Are we on to the first topic? | 08:07 |
| therve | Ah :/ | 08:07 |
| stevebaker | therve: we could get the fedora image cached on AFS | 08:07 |
| therve | ramishra, The topic should be in the topic :) | 08:08 |
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| therve | stevebaker, I've seen that error somewhat related to infra performance, so hopefully that's just the link | 08:10 |
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| stevebaker | therve: you mean the image download? | 08:10 |
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| therve | stevebaker, No the out of sync error | 08:11 |
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| stevebaker | hmm, I guess a slow node could make the race more likely | 08:11 |
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| therve | I think so yeah | 08:11 |
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| ramishra | sorry guys, my network is terrible today. | 08:12 |
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| therve | Anyway there is not much we can do when a node takes 45 mins to setup | 08:12 |
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| therve | #topic N3 status | 08:13 |
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| therve | We're moving sloooowwwwwly | 08:13 |
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| therve | Please review more stuff :/ | 08:14 |
| ramishra | therve: should we maintain priority reviews etherpad like we used to do in ealrier cycles? | 08:15 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/newton-3 | 08:15 |
| therve | ramishra, I'm not a giant fan, but maybe we'll have to do it | 08:15 |
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| therve | #topic Open discussion | 08:17 |
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| stevebaker | I've started playing with gabbi today, and have it doing some basic stack operations | 08:18 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Is that... useful? | 08:19 |
| stevebaker | I'd like to propose that we write a full REST API test suite in gabbi. therve what do you think that would need to discuss? a blueprint? a wishlist bug? | 08:19 |
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| stevebaker | therve: having decarative REST API tests will be nice I think. And I suspect it will be the easiest thing to get into tempest core for defcore | 08:20 |
| therve | stevebaker, What's the point exactly? | 08:20 |
| therve | I though using tempest was the best for defcore | 08:20 |
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| stevebaker | therve: nobody maintains the REST API tests in tempest core, and they're incomplete so they're not a great start for defcore | 08:22 |
| therve | I guess I have enough questions that he deserves a spec | 08:22 |
| therve | Also, we should probably do that in the next cycle unless there is a real rush | 08:22 |
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| stevebaker | no rush I think at this point, I'm just seeing if its feasible | 08:22 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Yeah but I wonder why rewriting stuff with another tool will make it maintenable | 08:23 |
| therve | Instead of improving what's already there | 08:23 |
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| stevebaker | testing REST APIs with declaritive yaml is *really* nice | 08:24 |
| stevebaker | it will likely show some issues with our api-ref because its so clear to see what is going on | 08:24 |
| therve | Okay | 08:25 |
| therve | Anything else? | 08:26 |
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| therve | Alright, thanks | 08:28 |
| therve | #endmeeting | 08:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 08:28:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-27-08.00.html | 08:28 |
| stevebaker | \o | 08:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-27-08.00.txt | 08:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-07-27-08.00.log.html | 08:28 |
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| dirk | #startmeeting requirements | 11:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 11:59:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 11:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 11:59 |
| dirk | #topic rollcall | 11:59 |
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| coolsvap | o/ | 12:00 |
| tonyb | o/ | 12:00 |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:00 |
| dirk | if anyone has agenda items to add, please add it to #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Requirements#Weekly_Requirements_team_meeting | 12:01 |
| * tonyb has a hard stop in an hour because I have a bus to catch | 12:01 | |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: phone :P | 12:01 |
| prometheanfire | we have https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-team-mascot as well | 12:01 |
| prometheanfire | we need to decide that today | 12:02 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: If I need to I can switch to that using the hotel wifi now so there will be a blip | 12:02 |
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| prometheanfire | heh | 12:02 |
| dirk | prometheanfire: ok, good point | 12:02 |
| dirk | #topic agenda | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:02 | |
| dirk | anything else for the agenda? | 12:03 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: it is in the open discussion section | 12:03 |
| dirk | ok | 12:03 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:03 |
| dirk | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:03 |
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| tonyb | Just the oslo.context stuff | 12:04 |
| number80 | except continuing oslo.context, no | 12:04 |
| coolsvap | i think oslo.context | 12:04 |
| prometheanfire | I'd like to get https://review.openstack.org/333650 in | 12:04 |
| prometheanfire | Check for missing run-time requirements | 12:04 |
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| dirk | prometheanfire: I like it | 12:04 |
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| prometheanfire | but ya, oslo.context is ever the bear | 12:05 |
| number80 | prometheanfire: yep, it's ripe for merging | 12:05 |
| dirk | I guess we need to followup with a infra change creating the job ? | 12:05 |
| tonyb | It will be an issue until we get the "key people" in a room at the summit | 12:05 |
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| tonyb | dirk: for the pip thing? Yeah it's pretty simple | 12:05 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: cross repo stuff will help | 12:06 |
| dirk | tonyb: yep; I was talking about the pip thing. sorry for causing confusion | 12:06 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: to an extent that is true but there is a base disagreement as to what the API is and therefore what users can depend on | 12:06 |
| prometheanfire | ya, the pip/setuptools/etc stuff will need outside talking | 12:06 |
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| dirk | so what can we do with oslo.context as a next action? | 12:07 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: we talking about pip or cross repo? | 12:07 |
| tonyb | pip/setuptools/etc ? what's that? | 12:07 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: I *thought* we were talkign about oslo.context | 12:07 |
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| prometheanfire | adding pip/setuptools/etc to requirements | 12:07 |
| prometheanfire | ok, holding off on that for now | 12:07 |
| tonyb | we can't do that | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | right, thought we discussed that already | 12:08 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: yes we need to wait for the PoC | 12:08 |
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| dirk | #topic controversities in the queue: oslo.context | 12:08 |
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| tonyb | we can't bump oslo.context yet | 12:09 |
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| tonyb | we had a plan we need to get back to that | 12:09 |
| dirk | is the plan documented somwhere? | 12:09 |
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| tonyb | that will unblock people and then we can resolve it with a ml thread or a design summit session | 12:10 |
| tonyb | dirk: in the IRC logs | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | we should send that to the ML then | 12:10 |
| tonyb | I have a draft email ready to send but I got distracted with testing stuff | 12:10 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: sure I messed up | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: you are busy :P | 12:11 |
| dirk | tonyb: can you paste the sample email into some etherpad/pastebin if you don't have time to finish it? | 12:11 |
| dirk | maybe we can continue from there | 12:11 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: or can you send the mail | 12:11 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: sure | 12:11 |
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| tonyb | If I'd done that 2 weeks ago we wouldn't be here | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | anyway, guess that's the next step for oslo.context | 12:12 |
| coolsvap | we can have more discussion over mailing list thread | 12:12 |
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| coolsvap | i got couple of PM request for oslo.context bump | 12:12 |
| dirk | ok so tonyb has action to send email? | 12:12 |
| tonyb | In short we can't land oslo.context changes right now | 12:12 |
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| tonyb | dirk: ACK | 12:12 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: ack! | 12:12 |
| dirk | #action tonyb send mail to devel list with the action plan for updating oslo.context | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | coolsvap: ack | 12:12 |
| dirk | what is the next controversity? | 12:13 |
| prometheanfire | that's it for me | 12:13 |
| coolsvap | i don think anything else is controversial | 12:13 |
| dirk | #topic Review Queue cleanup | 12:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Queue cleanup (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:14 | |
| tonyb | elasticsearch requires care but it isn't a big problem | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | I think we've made good progress there (queue cleanup) | 12:14 |
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| dirk | yep, it looks great | 12:14 |
| dirk | I can't even keep up with reviews, things are moving quick | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | we have a few DNM patches and of course oslo.context | 12:15 |
| tonyb | and a few otehr things in merge conflict | 12:15 |
| dirk | #topic Additional Gating - Updates - prometheanfire coolsvap | 12:15 |
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| prometheanfire | ya | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | sure | 12:15 |
| tonyb | but the master queue is ~12 which is pretty good | 12:15 |
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| tonyb | Gateing | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | In talking to tony about cross project testing his way is better | 12:16 |
| tonyb | I discussed that with infra | 12:16 |
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| prometheanfire | while mine can select 1 test at a time from a project it's still slightly hackish in doing so | 12:16 |
| tonyb | the plan is the add/modify tools in project-config to enable this | 12:16 |
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| tonyb | we get a lot for free by doign that | 12:16 |
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| tonyb | the main cost is a change is that to change it we need to go via project-config but I see that as an advantage | 12:17 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: that is good news | 12:17 |
| dirk | +1 | 12:17 |
| coolsvap | I liked the change prometheanfire made | 12:18 |
| tonyb | I have jenkins generating the new jobs but I have a syntax error somewhere | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | oh, nice | 12:18 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb: cool | 12:19 |
| dirk | tonyb: any reviews/pointers you can share? | 12:19 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: it's nice, it just goes in a direction the community rejected befoer Austin | 12:19 |
| prometheanfire | needs a new template is the big thing iirc | 12:20 |
| tonyb | dirk: not yet still testing locally, but it's similar to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308739/1 | 12:20 |
| tonyb | just more typing | 12:20 |
| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308739/1 | 12:20 |
| dirk | thx | 12:20 |
| tonyb | I'll probably re-use that review as the intent is the same and Clark is helping with "the plan" | 12:21 |
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| prometheanfire | next? | 12:22 |
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| dirk | anyone who can help with that or are you covered? | 12:22 |
| tonyb | dirk: If I can;t get it done today I'll hand it off | 12:23 |
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| dirk | ok, great. thanks :) | 12:23 |
| dirk | #topic u-c for setuptools and sometimes wheel | 12:23 |
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| prometheanfire | awesome | 12:23 |
| dirk | odyssey4me: .. | 12:23 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: we can work on this as a team | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: he might be a bit, I think he is having another meeting now | 12:24 |
| coolsvap | dirk: not sure if odyssey4me is around, we can wait till he has the PoC ready | 12:24 |
| dirk | ok, postpone this to later | 12:24 |
| tonyb | Befoer he gets here | 12:24 |
| dirk | :) | 12:24 |
| tonyb | what are we trying to do *exactly* | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | he's in london, so is about | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: OSA wants to lock down EVERYTHING | 12:25 |
| prometheanfire | more or less, that's the use case | 12:25 |
| prometheanfire | mainly to keep broken pips away, etc | 12:25 |
| prometheanfire | setuptools have had problems too | 12:26 |
| * odyssey4me is lurking, but in another meeting | 12:26 | |
| tonyb | We can't add pip because itll break/be pointless setuptools is in there | 12:26 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: yep, it's a harder problem | 12:26 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: so we needed more input in the last meeting from people who already tried it | 12:26 |
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| coolsvap | do you know some background around this? | 12:27 |
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| odyssey4me | I'm happy to go with the guidance of what everyone thinks is best - we have our own tooling to lock pip, setuptools and wheel down already... I just thought it may be of value to the broader community. | 12:27 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: less than some but I have a little | 12:27 |
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| odyssey4me | happy to chat about this a bit later, after this meeting | 12:27 |
| tonyb | wheel is strange I need to look into that | 12:27 |
| coolsvap | odyssey4me: sure | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | odyssey4me: using virtualenvs to help allows you to do it, not sure it's as easy system wide | 12:28 |
| dirk | good for next topic? | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | +1 | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | odyssey4me: welcome to add a WIP change for review so that we can talk/experiment | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | dirk: yes | 12:28 |
| dirk | #topic Tasks from Etherpad - PTL | 12:28 |
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| dirk | already a topic? | 12:29 |
| prometheanfire | we should open nominations for a week and then have a week of voting imo | 12:29 |
| prometheanfire | but that's all I have about that | 12:29 |
| dirk | ptl self-nomination is Sep 12th onwards as far as I can see | 12:30 |
| tonyb | Do we *need* an election | 12:30 |
| dirk | do we want to setup a PTL for newton? | 12:30 |
| tonyb | do we have multiple people that are commited to running? | 12:30 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: that might be better | 12:30 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: I'd volunteer, I think you'd be good too :P | 12:30 |
| tonyb | We need one in the interim becuase of the way the elections are run | 12:31 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: so if we open the nominations you *will* run or you *might* run? | 12:31 |
| prometheanfire | will | 12:31 |
| dirk | ok, so we should start a week of self nominations? | 12:32 |
| dirk | like, e.g. next week? :) | 12:32 |
| tonyb | okay so that's me and you so we will need to do the nominatons unless we agree as a core group on a candidate | 12:32 |
| prometheanfire | it's not really an issue, but a lot of people can vote, given how requirements are done | 12:32 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: ya, that'd work | 12:33 |
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| dirk | tonyb: do we need to vote for the interim PTL? | 12:33 |
| dirk | I remember that you can just propose one or a small group for bootstrap purposes | 12:33 |
| tonyb | dirk: I'm pretty suer that the first PTL can be appointed | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | and then we'd run an offical process with the other PTLs | 12:34 |
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| dirk | yep, so if we can agree on one or two PTL interims until we have the Ocata cycle I think we can just ask the TC to appoint those one/two people | 12:34 |
| coolsvap | I think we can appoint interim PTL | 12:34 |
| tonyb | dirk: one PTL | 12:34 |
| tonyb | a project can only have one name in the yaml ;/ | 12:34 |
| coolsvap | than having two elections in one cycle | 12:34 |
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| dirk | tonyb: I created a big tent projects iwth two PTLs. while it wasn't liked it was accepted for (half a ) cycle | 12:35 |
| dirk | anyway, if we can agree on one person then thats fine | 12:35 |
| * dirk is not going to run and certainly fine with the options so far :) | 12:35 | |
| dirk | ok, now how do we move forward? | 12:36 |
| prometheanfire | etherpad? | 12:36 |
| tonyb | do it here | 12:36 |
| dirk | candidates should just add themselves to section 3.2.1 ? | 12:36 |
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| tonyb | it's more transparent | 12:36 |
| dirk | or expect an email on -dev mailing list? | 12:36 |
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| tonyb | I think we pick one here, that person uploads a review to governance and email os-dev | 12:37 |
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| prometheanfire | should we discuss pros/cons for each nominee then vote? | 12:37 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: sure, we can make statements that'll give dirk a change to read the meetbot docs on running a vote | 12:38 |
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| prometheanfire | heh | 12:38 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-ptl-newton | 12:38 |
| dirk | lets revisit this next week | 12:38 |
| dirk | people who want to candidate update the etherpad | 12:38 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: then I'd have to run the vote :P (and figure out how) lol | 12:39 |
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| dirk | does anyone volunteer to drop a mail about this to -dev ? | 12:39 |
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| prometheanfire | I can do that | 12:39 |
| dirk | #action prometheanfire announce etherpad for interim PTL nominations | 12:40 |
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| dirk | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:41 |
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| prometheanfire | next? | 12:41 |
| dirk | anything else we need to discuss? | 12:41 |
| dirk | 1.3 looks done, do we want to cross it off the list? | 12:41 |
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| dirk | 3.13 is now also done, right? | 12:42 |
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| prometheanfire | I'm not sure 1.3 can be considered done | 12:43 |
| prometheanfire | it's non-voting | 12:43 |
| prometheanfire | and not passing atm | 12:43 |
| dirk | ah, thanks for the explanation | 12:43 |
| dirk | lets add that as TODO then :) | 12:43 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 12:43 |
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| dirk | we should be moving 3.1, 3.3, 3.4 to DONE | 12:44 |
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| prometheanfire | ya, so 3.13 is waiting on 1.3 | 12:44 |
| dirk | IMHO 3.6 as well | 12:44 |
| tonyb | 2.x looks like it can go | 12:45 |
| tonyb | 3.3 can go | 12:45 |
| dirk | arghhh. deleting stuff changed all numbering | 12:45 |
| dirk | uh oh. | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | +1 to 3.1 3.3 3.6 | 12:46 |
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| coolsvap | can we just strike through the DONE items? | 12:46 |
| prometheanfire | ctrl+z | 12:46 |
| dirk | yeah, striking is better. sorry. I'll fix this up again after the meeting | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | 3.3.1 isn't done | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | (was 3.4.1) | 12:47 |
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| dirk | prometheanfire: its in the context of "goals for the requirements group", and that group was established so its done imho | 12:48 |
| coolsvap | 3.5 is also done by number80 | 12:48 |
| tonyb | Can I suggest we move things around so the TODO items are in an independant section and start at 1.0 rather than the nested structure we have now | 12:48 |
| prometheanfire | ya, just crossed it out | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: works for me | 12:49 |
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| tonyb | okay lest do that after the meeting | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | section 3.3 should be moved under 3.1 | 12:49 |
| dirk | tonyb: yep, just moving stuff during the meeting jus tdestroys the workflow for the disucssion | 12:49 |
| tonyb | strikethrough is good for now | 12:49 |
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| prometheanfire | ya, we can contune the etherpad cleanup to out of meeting | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | next topic? | 12:50 |
| dirk | anything else we can strike through now or can we go on? | 12:50 |
| dirk | #topic optional-requirement | 12:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "optional-requirement (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:50 | |
| dirk | number80: ^^ | 12:50 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/optional-requirements-draft | 12:50 |
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| coolsvap | i think the draft looks good, we need review related to it | 12:51 |
| prometheanfire | next? we still have to discuss mascots | 12:51 |
| dirk | number80: wanna give a status update or a comment? | 12:51 |
| coolsvap | and a mailing list thread | 12:52 |
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| coolsvap | that was the action item from last meeting | 12:52 |
| dirk | ok, thanks | 12:52 |
| dirk | #topic Volunteer for next 2 meetings | 12:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Volunteer for next 2 meetings (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:52 | |
| prometheanfire | I have next one | 12:52 |
| dirk | anyone for August 1th? | 12:52 |
| dirk | August 10th? | 12:52 |
| dirk | if not I can do it again | 12:53 |
| tonyb | number80: we shoudl talk about the optional stuff as I'm very confused | 12:53 |
| coolsvap | I can do 10th I might be PTO on 17th | 12:53 |
| dirk | #agreed coolsvap will run August 10th | 12:53 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 12:53 |
| dirk | #topic Open Discussion - Project Mascot? | 12:53 |
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| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-team-mascot | 12:53 |
| prometheanfire | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-team-mascot | 12:53 |
| number80 | tonyb: yes | 12:54 |
| dirk | we need to be quick as deadline is today | 12:54 |
| number80 | (sorry got disconnected from ssh) | 12:54 |
| tonyb | I think we order the list of optionsa and make it the foundations problem | 12:54 |
| coolsvap | I think beaver is good | 12:54 |
| number80 | well, we have a clear winner according votes | 12:54 |
| tonyb | it gives them the ability to self manage | 12:55 |
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| prometheanfire | we need to give them a few | 12:55 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: +1 | 12:55 |
| tonyb | that way if 2 teams pick beaver then they can just fix it | 12:55 |
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| tonyb | Our preferene is beaver and here are 3 others | 12:56 |
| * dirk fails to understand why beavers manage requirements | 12:56 | |
| prometheanfire | so, anyone else have ideas to add? | 12:56 |
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| number80 | *nods* | 12:56 |
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| prometheanfire | spiderweb was another option | 12:56 |
| prometheanfire | as it demonstrates the linking going on | 12:57 |
| tonyb | Yeah a web is good | 12:57 |
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| tonyb | T-3mins | 12:57 |
| prometheanfire | added it | 12:58 |
| prometheanfire | vote kthnx | 12:58 |
| dirk | ok, so next step is? who is mailing Joy? | 12:58 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: ;P | 12:58 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: | 12:58 |
| prometheanfire | lol | 12:58 |
| dirk | #action prometheanfire send voting results today to Marketing team | 12:58 |
| dirk | ;-) | 12:58 |
| prometheanfire | that's fine, since it's in just a few minutes | 12:59 |
| dirk | #topic Open Discussion | 12:59 |
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| coolsvap | to the channel I think | 12:59 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: take your bus :P | 12:59 |
| coolsvap | less than 60 seconds | 12:59 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 12:59 |
| dirk | yep, lets end this here | 12:59 |
| dirk | hanks, and sorry for running this a bit slow | 12:59 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 12:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 12:59:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:59 |
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| coolsvap | thank you dirk | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-27-11.59.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-27-11.59.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-07-27-11.59.log.html | 13:00 |
| tonyb | Thanks all | 13:00 |
| joehuang | hi | 13:00 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 13:00 |
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| Yipei | hi, all | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 13:02:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:02 |
| joehuang | hello | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:02 |
| huangdongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:02 |
| yinxiulin_ | #info yinxiulin | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | hello, the first topic is about microversion | 13:03 |
| joehuang | #topic microversion | 13:03 |
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| yinxiulin_ | I just finished microversion coding today | 13:03 |
| joehuang | hi, Xiulin, how about the micro-version support in Tricircle? | 13:03 |
| yinxiulin_ | I just finished microversion coding today | 13:04 |
| joehuang | good, is there tempest test cases for microversion? | 13:04 |
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| yinxiulin_ | no yet | 13:05 |
| ronghui | hello | 13:05 |
| joehuang | hi, ronghui | 13:05 |
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| ronghui | hi,joe | 13:05 |
| joehuang | no special tempest test cases for microsversion? | 13:05 |
| joehuang | but I am sure unit test should be there in Nova \ | 13:05 |
| yinxiulin_ | i have not debug the code | 13:05 |
| joehuang | Nova is the first service to support microversion | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | so you can borrow Nova microverion test cases | 13:06 |
| ronghui | what is microversion | 13:06 |
| yinxiulin_ | ok , i wanna finisend the debug first | 13:06 |
| yinxiulin_ | then i will coding the tempset | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | good | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | so go on the implementation, than you, xiulin | 13:08 |
| joehuang | than -> thank | 13:08 |
| joehuang | #topic big tent application | 13:09 |
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| yinxiulin_ | Ok | 13:09 |
| joehuang | hello, I shared the big tent application in the irc channel about the second round discussion | 13:10 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338796/ | 13:10 |
| joehuang | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-07-26-20.02.log.html | 13:11 |
| joehuang | would like to know your ideas on the comment | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | ok | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan | hmm, the most important point tc members complain is that we are using api gateway. | 13:15 |
| joehuang | we need to ensure api consistency through tempest test cases | 13:16 |
| joehuang | TCs are afraid the in-consistency in the API | 13:16 |
| zhiyuan | different from other openstack services, which provides its own designed api, tricircle is serving request for vm, volume and networking | 13:16 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | how about the features API implementation progress | 13:19 |
| zhiyuan | do you think it will be more acceptable if we provide a set of new api to manage vm, volume and networking?do you think it will be more acceptable if we provide a set of new api to manage vm, volume and networking? | 13:20 |
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| zhiyuan | for networking part, i am working on l3 networking on shard vlan network | 13:21 |
| joehuang | for new API, it's even more difficult to get other software work with | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | thank you zhiyuan | 13:21 |
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| zhiyuan | i have reconstruct the code to put networking operation in a helper module, and move the router setup to xjob | 13:22 |
| zhiyuan | this is some preparation | 13:22 |
| joehuang | good progress | 13:23 |
| ronghui | for cinder part we are working to perfect the basic function | 13:23 |
| joehuang | "perfect"? | 13:23 |
| ronghui | i mean complete | 13:23 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | do you know how to open tempest test cases for new feature? | 13:24 |
| ronghui | no | 13:25 |
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| ronghui | If there is some relevant documents can provide help | 13:26 |
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| zhiyuan | then what about runing tempest test on your own environment? | 13:26 |
| joehuang | ok, there is one example in this patch to show how to open tempest test cases for volume feature | 13:26 |
| ronghui | ok | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | since you need to run tempest test locally before you submit your code | 13:27 |
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| Yipei | still working on dynamic pod binding. recently, i am trying to catch a deadline of a conference. After the deadline (1st, Aug), i will denote myself to coding, and will finish it as planned | 13:27 |
| joehuang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343517/ | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | in this file: https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/tempestplugin/tempest_volume.sh | 13:28 |
| joehuang | just need to add one regex line to include the tempest test cases for your feature | 13:29 |
| joehuang | for example TESTCASES="$TESTCASES|tempest.api.volume.test_volumes_get" | 13:29 |
| ronghui | ok | 13:30 |
| ronghui | i will try it in our environment | 13:30 |
| joehuang | will include all test cases matched with test_volumes_get | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | if you submit a patch, it'll be executed by the gate-tricircle-dsvm-functional | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | if the job failed, you can click the job, and find a lot of files to provide debug information why the test cases failed | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | as zhiyuan proposed, you can test locally using tempest first, it'll be easier to find out the failure | 13:32 |
| ronghui | ok | 13:32 |
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| ronghui | thanks so much | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | to Yipei, thanks for you information | 13:33 |
| joehuang | to Ronghui, welcome | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | other topics? | 13:34 |
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| zhiyuan | no for me | 13:34 |
| ronghui | no for me | 13:35 |
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| Yipei | no for me | 13:35 |
| yinxiulin_ | no for me | 13:35 |
| joehuang | ok. let's end this meeting now | 13:35 |
| ronghui | i just want to ask the problem that in local.conf | 13:35 |
| joehuang | please | 13:35 |
| ronghui | and just see the code is update | 13:35 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:36 |
| joehuang | so the issue is fixed | 13:36 |
| joehuang | ? | 13:36 |
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| ronghui | yes | 13:37 |
| joehuang | thank you for attending the meeting, let's keep online in #openstack-tricircle for daily communication | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 13:37:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-27-13.02.html | 13:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-27-13.02.txt | 13:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-27-13.02.log.html | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | bye | 13:38 |
| ronghui | bye | 13:38 |
| huangdongfeng | bye | 13:38 |
| Yipei | bye | 13:38 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 13:38 |
| yinxiulin_ | byebye | 13:38 |
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| krotscheck | Dum dee dum... | 13:59 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 14:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #chair vkramskikh | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: krotscheck vkramskikh | 14:00 |
| msmol | hello all | 14:00 |
| cardeois | hello ! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-07-27 | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 14:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 14:00 |
| betherly | hi hi! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Goood morning everyone! | 14:00 |
| timothyb89 | hello! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Let's talk javascript! | 14:00 |
| yujunz | hi | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action followup: Docs | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action followup: Docs (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:01 | |
| krotscheck | All the doc jobs, plus a bonus Hey Let's use NodeJS6, are available here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:npm_jobs+status:open | 14:01 |
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| * Zara takes a look (hi!) | 14:02 | |
| cardeois | cool ! so if we use nodejs6 that means we could run test with and without babel right? | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | I'm creating two jobs. One is the docs-draft job, which will upload that job's doc deliverables to static.openstack.org so we can test it. | 14:02 |
| yujunz | How do you manage so many search queries? | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | I think babel is still needed at least for es6 modules | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz: ... the little search bar in the top right? | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | The second job will publish the docs to docs.openstack.org underneath the /sdk path. | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | awesome ! | 14:03 |
| yujunz | I mean you seem to have many filters for different scopes | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | Since js-generator-openstack and js-openstack-lib work together to support each other, I'll be publishing both of those projects as part of the sdk. | 14:04 |
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| yujunz | looks good. I'll have a look at the patchsets | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | yujunz: I'm not certain I udnerstand your question? | 14:05 |
| betherly | sounds awesome thanks for sorting krotscheck | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | Also, I've created a reusable job template which can be used by other projects to publish their docs. Storyboard, for instance, can publish them, simply by providing a different path paraemter. | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | Just in case you want to do that :) | 14:05 |
| yujunz | Not related to this topic. Just ignore my comments on the search query | 14:05 |
| Zara | ah, we were wondering about what to do for webclient docs the other day | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | yujunz: Gotcha | 14:06 |
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| Zara | so sounds intriguing | 14:06 |
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| krotscheck | Related to this, I had to update ALL the javascript jobs so they now explicitly include the nodejs version. | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | This'll help us upgrade in the future. | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | Special callout to `madong for helping me update the installation job. | 14:07 |
| cardeois | cool, it's not possible to set a default version? | 14:07 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Infra specifically asked not to do that. | 14:07 |
| cardeois | ok | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: vis-a-vis python27-jobs, python35-jobs, etc | 14:07 |
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| cardeois | Oh I see, so it's explicit which version you use | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | I'll report again on this once it lands next week. Any questions? | 14:07 |
| msmol | that makes sense | 14:07 |
| msmol | good job krotscheck | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Right. And for the time we'll actually be using both 4 and 6 | 14:08 |
| yujunz | Good for me | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | Apologies to betherly because I totally just took this and ran with it and forgot to loop her in :( | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action followup: Simple Keystone Client | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | msmol? | 14:09 |
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| msmol | so, good news and bad news: | 14:09 |
| msmol | good news: I've got a simple client working, authenticating with keystone! | 14:10 |
| Zara | \o/ | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | wendar \O/ | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | OOPS | 14:10 |
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| krotscheck | Wrong channel | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | \o/ | 14:10 |
| msmol | bad news: having some trouble with fetch-mock for one of my tests | 14:10 |
| msmol | so, I think I should have a review open later today once I sort the issue with fetch-mock | 14:10 |
| vkramskikh | I think you can upload the review request with workflow -1, we can help to fix it | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Did you use that vagrantfile of mine at all? | 14:11 |
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| msmol | vkramskikh: okay, I might end up doing that | 14:11 |
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| cardeois | No we have our own openstack at work, we used this one | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | cardeois? Nice | 14:12 |
| msmol | krotscheck: no didn't end up using vagrantfile, like cardeois said, used own openstack from work | 14:12 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone have any questions for cardeois? | 14:12 |
| cardeois | krotscheck: You mean msmol? | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | Sorry | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | Yes, msmol | 14:13 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, let's see what he uploads and go from there :) | 14:13 |
| cardeois | Nope I guess open the review and we'll comment | 14:13 |
| msmol | I guess that's a no ;-) | 14:14 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action followup ES2015 rules in eslint-config-openstack | 14:14 |
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| yujunz | No. But I'm interested in the vagrantfile. Is it for creating an openstack for testing? | 14:14 |
| vkramskikh | hi, here is the review request: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346875/ | 14:14 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz: Yeah - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346422/ already landed. it "should" work by just going 'vagrant up' in your root directory. | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh++ | 14:15 |
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| vkramskikh | it changes the project structure, I don't know much about it | 14:15 |
| vkramskikh | so reviewers are welcome | 14:15 |
| vkramskikh | the new es2015 config will be accessible via "extends: openstack/es2015" | 14:16 |
| vkramskikh | using the same npm package - eslint-config-openstack | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: I assume it's backwards compatible? | 14:16 |
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| vkramskikh | krotscheck: no it doesn't and it will break es5 projects | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: oooooh. | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | Hrm. | 14:16 |
| vkramskikh | but it just extends base config adding es2015-specific rules | 14:17 |
| vkramskikh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346875/1/.eslintrc-es2015 | 14:17 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Sorry, maybe I misstated my question. If an ES5 project continues to use extends: openstack, and we update the version of eslint-config-openstack, will it break? | 14:17 |
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| krotscheck | I think the answer is 'no, it's backwards compatible'. | 14:17 |
| * krotscheck is not expecting the rules to be backwards compatible. | 14:17 | |
| vkramskikh | no it won't, the original config hasn't been changes | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | Sweet. | 14:18 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, so I would argue that this warrants a minor version release rather than a major version release. | 14:18 |
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| krotscheck | We're adding a new feature, but not breaking the API in any way | 14:18 |
| krotscheck | Anyone disagree? | 14:18 |
| vkramskikh | we might want to bump a version | 14:18 |
| vkramskikh | major version | 14:18 |
| vkramskikh | since there is eslint 3.x is out | 14:18 |
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| krotscheck | Already? | 14:18 |
| krotscheck | Yeeesh | 14:19 |
| vkramskikh | yes | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | They move fast. | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, so, let's move on the the other action items and talk about releasign eslint later. | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action followup: Devstack-gate and CORS | 14:20 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois? The floor is yours. | 14:20 |
| cardeois | Yeah so I have a review opened https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345529/ | 14:20 |
| cardeois | Missing the project_config part, I didn't have much time to work on it but I almost have a functionnal flow | 14:21 |
| cardeois | However we've been discussing with krotscheck about how we implement it properly | 14:21 |
| cardeois | We might have some shell scripts to publish in js-openstack-lib so we don't depend too much on project-config | 14:21 |
| cardeois | I'll try to open the project-config part by next week if that's fine for you guys? | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, apparently the devstack-gate project (maintained by infra to install and run devstack in the gate) does weird copying and chown things to the project under test. | 14:22 |
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| krotscheck | WFM | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | yujunz: As soon as this settles out, I'd like to add a devstack-gate option to the generator. | 14:22 |
| yujunz | OK | 14:23 |
| cardeois | Yeah also, I might rebase my review once this is merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346682/ so feel free to take a look | 14:23 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois I'll help you work on this this week so we can have it ready by next week. | 14:24 |
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| krotscheck | Any questions for cardeois? | 14:24 |
| cardeois | ok sure, but I can't work on that today, I to work for my company a little :-) | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: That's fine, that means I have a clean runway :) | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | Ok, moving on. | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Create api document with jsdoc | 14:25 |
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| yujunz | The existing comments in js-generator-openstack have been converted into jsdoc | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | I am not familiar with doclets. Looks like a parallel service to travis, coveralls, etc? | 14:26 |
| yujunz | It's a jsdoc publishing site | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | Thank you for doing that, yujunz :) | 14:26 |
| yujunz | Preview the output help me finding some bugs | 14:27 |
| yujunz | Since we are publishing it to docs.openstack.org soon | 14:27 |
| yujunz | I think we don't need to go further on doclets now | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | Well, just because we're publishing our docs doesn't necessarily mean that they're actually being built properly. | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | i.e. do we know how jsdoc is getting incorporated into the sphinx docs? | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | (I don't know, I just don't recall anyone working on that) | 14:28 |
| yujunz | I can have a look at it | 14:28 |
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| yujunz | #action yujunz to look into how to incorporate jsdoc into the sphinx docs | 14:29 |
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| krotscheck | \o/ | 14:29 |
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| krotscheck | HOnestly, I feel like we're glossing over a really important discussion re: how do we write docs, what format do we use, etc. here. | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | However, I'm content to put yujunz in charge of that :) | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | And just accept his expertise. | 14:31 |
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| Zara | I'm interested in that, fwiw. we've had some different opinions about best practices for ui docs already. | 14:32 |
| yujunz | Thanks | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | Zara, can you give us an overview? | 14:32 |
| yujunz | I'm interested too, Zara | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | I know there's a big camp that says "If your UI needs to be explained, it's not that good" | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | But, well, we're building reusable things that will be consumed by those that read documentation. | 14:33 |
| Zara | yeah, I'm often in that camp. but also, when is it appropriate to say 'this element is in x position' when the position may change? because that adds a maintenance burden | 14:34 |
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| Zara | and I think that kind of description is harder to automate than api docs, since the relation between elements is visual | 14:35 |
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| Zara | especially when things are differently positioned for different screen sizes | 14:35 |
| Zara | so I guess I'm wondering at what point it's better to have no docs than something out of date, how to keep things up to date, that kind of thing, since I assume it's always going to be a human responsible for it | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | Piet may have good input on that. | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | I came across this article a few years ago, it still holds true. | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | #Link https://jacobian.org/writing/great-documentation/ | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | Either way, this feels like an extended, offline discussion, let's move on. | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | #topic Releasing eslint-config-openstack | 14:38 |
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| krotscheck | So, after the es2015 rules land we definitely have a reason to cut a new version, the quesitno is whether we want to update to eslint3 before or not. | 14:39 |
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| krotscheck | I had a general vague handwavey idea that the eslint rule major version would track eslint's major version. | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | So if we bump to 3, I'd like to get eslint 3 in as well. | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | betherly, you're core on that project, what do you think? | 14:39 |
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| vkramskikh | it think that makes sense, and the bump would be easy - the list of breaking changes isn't big | 14:40 |
| betherly | I think that is sensible to move to eslint 3 | 14:41 |
| vkramskikh | AFAIR the most important change there is that node <4 is not supported anymore | 14:41 |
| krotscheck | Thankfully that doesn't impact us anymore ;) | 14:41 |
| betherly | as vkramskikh says there aren't that many things that will need changing as a result | 14:41 |
| betherly | i think if we wait longer we will end up with bigger issues later down the line | 14:41 |
| krotscheck | Alright then. betherly, think you can take that on? Updating eslint, pushing a release, etc? | 14:41 |
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| betherly | i can handle that. i might be coming to you for advice with some of it though krotscheck :) | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | (And, urm, documenting how you do it so the process isn't just in my brain anymore? :) | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | Excellent. | 14:42 |
| betherly | of course :) | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | #action betherly Shepherd ES2015 and ESLint 3 through to a release of eslint-config-openstack. | 14:43 |
| krotscheck | #topic Library configuration | 14:43 |
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| krotscheck | So, I added this on a whim just now, but realized I'm not really ready to talk about it without seeing what msmol's put together. | 14:43 |
| krotscheck | Really, I want to talk about how we initialize an instance of our API library pointed at a specific cloud. | 14:44 |
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| msmol | well | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | In a perfect world, I'd like every service to be an initializable class like "new Keystone(config)" | 14:44 |
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| krotscheck | The question is whether we want a big overarching "new OpenStack(config)" as well. | 14:45 |
| msmol | for right now what I've got is this: `const os = new Openstack(config, cloudName); os.authenticate()` | 14:45 |
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| krotscheck | That seems sane. I'm ok punting the discussion to msmol's patch and/or next week. | 14:46 |
| cardeois | Yeah I guess if we want to look like shade, but in a JS way (with promises and stuff) `new OpenStack(config)` makes more sense | 14:46 |
| cardeois | I think later we could add autodiscover support for config | 14:46 |
| msmol | sounds reasonable | 14:47 |
| * krotscheck likes putting off the Autodiscover feature toa time when we actually have people who use our library that we can talk to. | 14:47 | |
| vkramskikh | though we may still want to include clients separately. for example, fuel may take advantage of this lib, but it needs only Keystone client. so it would be great just to "import Keystone from 'js-openstack-lib/keystone'" | 14:47 |
| vkramskikh | so that only Keystone client would be in the resulting bundle | 14:47 |
| vkramskikh | after project build | 14:48 |
| cardeois | Mhh good idea yeah | 14:48 |
| krotscheck | That'd help with finely focused apps, like tiny dashboards that only talk to one or two services. | 14:48 |
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| krotscheck | So, let's say we have an app that wants to use nova, and nova is authenticated with Keystone. How do we get those two instances to talk to each other? | 14:49 |
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| krotscheck | I mean... | 14:49 |
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| krotscheck | "const keystone = new Keystone(config); const nova = new Nova(config);".... | 14:49 |
| krotscheck | now I want to do nova.createInstance(arguments);, how do I tell it to use my keystone tokens? | 14:50 |
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| msmol | `nova = new Nova(keystone);`? | 14:50 |
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| krotscheck | msmol:... that... is definitely the sensible obvious answer. | 14:50 |
| krotscheck | i.e. (Hey don't bother configuring yourself, ask keystone for your config). | 14:51 |
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| vkramskikh | we may want to take a look into how it's done in python clients - don't think js approach will differ a lot | 14:51 |
| krotscheck | Any disagreements for trying that as an initial approach? | 14:51 |
| yujunz | no | 14:52 |
| vkramskikh | nope | 14:52 |
| msmol | ok, so I've got some refactoring to do, but sounds good to me | 14:52 |
| msmol | should still have the review out today at some point I think | 14:52 |
| cardeois | yep me too | 14:52 |
| krotscheck | Ok, does anyone want to start working on one of the non-keystone API libraries once msmol has something up and running? | 14:52 |
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| krotscheck | Sounds like most of us are already busy. | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | 8 minute waring | 14:53 |
| cardeois | Well honnestly me and msmol have only 1 day a week we can work for openstack, so not sure we can add more work | 14:53 |
| larainema | krotscheck, I would like to try | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | larainema wins! | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | larainema: Which service would you like to work on? | 14:54 |
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| msmol | just to clarify cardeois's comment: the two of us have an internal budget of 1 day per week to work on open source projects of our choosing on company time :-) | 14:54 |
| krotscheck | msmol, cardeois: Indeed. And we appreciate you donating your time to our cause :) | 14:55 |
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| larainema | I am more familiar with glance, might be try first | 14:55 |
| * krotscheck makes a note to pay their bar tab the next time he sees them. | 14:55 | |
| krotscheck | larainema: Perfect choice. Easily separated from other projects, not huge and unwieldy like nova ;) | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | #action larainema Start implementing a glance API on top of msmol's keystone work. | 14:56 |
| krotscheck | msmol, cardeois: You two are in... montreal? Toronto? | 14:56 |
| msmol | montreal | 14:56 |
| krotscheck | Excellent. | 14:56 |
| krotscheck | Let's switch to open discussion | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 14:57 |
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| cardeois | Yeah are you guys going to the summit in barcelona? | 14:57 |
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| krotscheck | Don't know yet. Depends on The Powers That Hold The Purse Strings. | 14:57 |
| yujunz | Not planned yet. | 14:57 |
| cardeois | It would be cool to setup a work session maybe, if there's enough people? | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | If people vote for my "Beyond Horizon: Building Custom User Interfaces with the JavaScript SDK" talk, it'll be easier for me to justify. | 14:57 |
| cardeois | Yeah me too, might go, but not confirmed | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | :D | 14:58 |
| msmol | hehe indeed. I was there in Austin so I may have to let cardeois or another coworker hit up Barcelona | 14:58 |
| * krotscheck plugs himself shamelessly | 14:58 | |
| cardeois | Yeah voted already | 14:58 |
| krotscheck | Thanks! | 14:58 |
| krotscheck | I'm actually working on getting SDK working sessions via the APP WG. Shade, JS-Lib, libcloud, etc. | 14:58 |
| * msmol promises to vote | 14:58 | |
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| krotscheck | So that's on me. | 14:58 |
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| cardeois | great | 14:58 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Work on getting an SDK working session at the summit. | 14:58 |
| krotscheck | Ok, we're out of time. | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 14:59:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| cardeois | Ok bye ! | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-27-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-27-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-27-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| Zara | :D | 14:59 |
| msmol | bye everyone, 'til next week | 14:59 |
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| Zara | bye! next up, anyone around for the exciting storyboard meeting? | 14:59 |
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| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 15:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| Zara | none from me | 15:01 |
| Zara | none on agenda | 15:01 |
| Zara | moving on! | 15:01 |
| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:01 |
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| Zara | nothing disastrous has happened this week, so this is also empty, yay! | 15:02 |
| Zara | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:02 |
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| Zara | I have a few things listed; will start with mine to give others some time to get here... | 15:02 |
| Zara | I've been updating the python client! | 15:02 |
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| Zara | this should make it easier to interact with storyboard with scripts | 15:03 |
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| Zara | I'm also planning to put a command-line interface on it, for those who prefer to interact with things that way | 15:03 |
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| Zara | first I need to learn how to actually do that. | 15:03 |
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| Zara | anyway, yeah, some misc patches in review here: | 15:04 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient | 15:04 |
| Zara | and a visual representation of what's covered here: | 15:04 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000542 | 15:04 |
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| Zara | as you can see, I've left all the trickier bits 'til the end. but it's getting there. :) | 15:05 |
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| Zara | and the things people do more frequently are already covered (thanks again, nikitakonovalov :)) | 15:05 |
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| Zara | next thing is 'page to view all boards'-- I'm stuck as the search typeahead would *not* behave for me; SotK has offered to help when he gets a minute | 15:06 |
| SotK | oops hi | 15:06 |
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| Zara | HI THERE | 15:06 |
| Zara | SotK: any in-progress things you'd like to mention? | 15:07 |
| SotK | I'm still working on the events timeline for boards/worklists | 15:07 |
| SotK | I have lots of lovely events in my database now | 15:07 |
| Zara | ooooh | 15:08 |
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| SotK | I said I'd rework the complex priorities before now | 15:08 |
| SotK | I guess I'll do that after the meeting | 15:09 |
| Zara | hahaha | 15:09 |
| Zara | okay, I'll get ready to review | 15:09 |
| Zara | other things... | 15:09 |
| Zara | gerrit integration patches are still in review | 15:10 |
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| Zara | I was about to link but my internet is slow | 15:10 |
| Zara | here we go | 15:10 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:+its-storyboard | 15:10 |
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| Zara | steadily, we're getting there! | 15:10 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:11 |
| * SotK is looking forward to that stuff being merged | 15:11 | |
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| Zara | if you're interested in storyboard updating tasks automatically from gerrit, that is the place to go | 15:11 |
| Zara | yes, me too | 15:11 |
| Zara | I may have mentioned it just a few thousand times | 15:11 |
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| Zara | :D | 15:12 |
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| Zara | and we still have some API docs waiting from anteaya | 15:12 |
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| * SotK will try to get around to reviewing them soon | 15:13 | |
| Zara | I've held off commenting on the worklists and boards things recently, since I'm looking at those in the client and I'll probably be able to post something more helpful after that | 15:13 |
| betherly | o/ | 15:13 |
| Zara | hi betherly! | 15:13 |
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| SotK | hey betherly | 15:13 |
| Zara | since atm we can merge with 'TODO's, or I can learn more about POSTs and PUTs and put some more useful commands in those spaces. | 15:14 |
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| Zara | and since that's what I'm doing right now anyway, it's on my list for after | 15:14 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/storyboard+branch:master+topic:expand-api-docs | 15:15 |
| Zara | are the relevant patches. also spent this morning checking branches and milestones things, so hopefully have some comments up on those soon | 15:15 |
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| Zara | any other in-progress things? | 15:16 |
| * SotK doesn't have any | 15:16 | |
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| Zara | no discussion topics, so... | 15:17 |
| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:17 |
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| Zara | DISCUSS, DISCUSS | 15:17 |
| Zara | I had a question that I can't remember | 15:19 |
| Zara | this happens literally every week | 15:19 |
| Zara | I guess I'll mention that I'm onto the bit I'm less familiar with with python client things, so I may be asking a bunch of questions about syntax for things | 15:20 |
| Zara | hopefully once I've got the answers once, I won't have to keep asking | 15:20 |
| Zara | but there's a warning! | 15:20 |
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| Zara | we also just discussed docs for js things a bit in the js meeting, so I'm going to try to keep up with those discussions so we can have some sort of sensible webclient docs situation | 15:21 |
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| SotK | seems like a good idea | 15:22 |
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| Zara | I think it'd be good to coordinate; I think some of the discussions we've had are going to crop up anywhere a tool has a more... visual? interface | 15:23 |
| Zara | so yay for consistency | 15:23 |
| Zara | well, that's all I can remember, anyone with anything else? | 15:23 |
| Zara | otherwise I'll end the meeting in a few | 15:23 |
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| Zara | IT'S ALL OVER | 15:25 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 15:25:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-27-15.01.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-27-15.01.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-27-15.01.log.html | 15:25 |
| Zara | thanks, everyone! | 15:25 |
| SotK | thanks Zara, sorry I was late :) | 15:25 |
| Zara | I'll forgive you one day | 15:26 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 16:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| dulek | hi! | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao | 16:00 |
| yuriy_n17 | hi | 16:00 |
| cFouts | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hello | 16:00 |
| adrianofr | Hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_Cinder_Team_meeting | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
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| hemna | mornin | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:00 |
| * TheDude abides | 16:00 | |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | No big announcements this week. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | I think we had a good productive midcycle last week. Thanks to all who participated. | 16:01 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | We've started to make some progress on the priorities we identified at the summit. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | HA in particular. | 16:02 |
| dulek | Thanks to hemna for providing us the hangout and recording! | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | So what we discussed was getting these in as long as they don't break the non-AA case. | 16:02 |
| e0ne | dulek, hemna: +2 | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Then once it's in there working through better testing and identifying any issues. | 16:02 |
| rajinir | 0/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | So basically just some "beta" support for this release. | 16:03 |
| hemna | :) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Yes, thanks hemna for once again being our awesome AV team! ;) | 16:03 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: I don't think the stuff we've got in is actually functional from HA perspective. It's more like "prerequisites". | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | dulek: OK, "alpha" support then. ;) | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Really just somethign to be able to start working on better testing. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Pre-alpha even... | 16:04 |
| geguileo | dulek is right, these are prerequisites | 16:04 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:04 |
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| * dulek is pointing that out to make sure this won't make it to project update presentation. ;) | 16:04 | |
| smcginnis | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Release schedule | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Good call. ;) | 16:05 |
| e0ne | smcginnis, geguileo: IMO, we have to write some basic testcases fo HA to start working on tests | 16:05 |
| erlon | hey | 16:05 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: any news about os-brick? we're blocked 2 months | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | So we're a little over a month away from newton-3. | 16:05 |
| geguileo | e0ne: As agreed in the midcycle I plan on creating a document with things I've manually tested | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Final library freeze is before that though. | 16:06 |
| diablo_rojo | e0ne: I think we are still waiting on privsep stuff | 16:06 |
| e0ne | geguileo: please, ping me tomorrow. I'll take a look on our internal test cases for HA | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | if this privsep thing isn't sorted soon, we should pull it out and go back to rootwrap | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: The patch to add hard-coded support of privsep to rootwrap is going through the gate queue as we speak! | 16:06 |
| geguileo | e0ne: Thanks! | 16:06 |
| e0ne | geguileo: I've missed today's QA meeting :( | 16:06 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Yay! | 16:06 |
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| hemna | yah we need to make the rootwrap privsep patch a blocker | 16:07 |
| hemna | that needs to land | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | So once that's through and a new oslo.rootwrap release is out we can finally release os-brick! | 16:07 |
| e0ne | smcginnis, diablo_rojo: I +2'ed all patches related to privsep and rootwrap | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: great! | 16:07 |
| TheDude | I thought QA meeting was Thursday | 16:07 |
| diablo_rojo | e0ne: Cool :) Hopefully that should get this moving | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | I'll watch for that release and get a new os-brick one out once that lands. | 16:07 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339275/ | 16:07 |
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| hemna | that needs love | 16:07 |
| e0ne | can we get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328297/ merged before new release? | 16:08 |
| hemna | I'll look at it | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | We do have some time before all the oslo stuff makes it through to be useable for us. | 16:08 |
| e0ne | hemna: I'm sorry, I didn't had a time to review and test patch with connectors refactoring today | 16:08 |
| hemna | we could use a CI for it | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | So yes, please take a look at os-brick patches and get some of those through that should get in there. | 16:09 |
| hemna | e0ne, I have to rebase that refactor patch again today...another merge conflict. | 16:09 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307974/ | 16:09 |
| hemna | I'd like that to land | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | We can do another brick release before final library freeze, but the more runtime we have on some of these changes the better. | 16:09 |
| hemna | (after I fix the merge conflict again today) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That would be good. But also scares me with the size of it. ;) | 16:10 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1. I'm going to review and test it asap | 16:10 |
| hemna | I'll fix that right now. | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: TBH, it's not a big patch to review. a lot of LoC are changed, but almost all code are the same | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Biggest problem is all the failing third party CIs, IMO. Would feel more comfortable with more green there, but I'm not going to hold my breath. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, it looks a lot worse than it is. | 16:10 |
| hemna | yah | 16:10 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: the main changes are in connector.py | 16:11 |
| hemna | I think the 3PAR brick CI is supposed to be working right now.. | 16:11 |
| * hemna crosses fingers. | 16:11 | |
| e0ne | :) | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #topic Volume Group Hiding\Protecting | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | So apparently no one wants to put there names on things anymore. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Who's topic is this? | 16:11 |
| xyang2 | saggi? | 16:12 |
| saggi | hi | 16:12 |
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| xyang2 | saggi: your topic is up | 16:12 |
| saggi | yes, that's me | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | saggi: Take it away. :) | 16:12 |
| saggi | So I put a draft for the BP. | 16:12 |
| saggi | But I'll give the elevator pitch now | 16:12 |
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| e0ne | saggi: did you post a spec patch? | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | This one makes me nervous with the level of detail that's there. No details about the interaction with normal cinder API. What happens if the tenant deletes a volume ina hidden CG? Snaps it? Puts it in another CG? etc | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hidden-consistency-groups-draft Hidden group spec work in progress | 16:13 |
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| xyang2 | DuncanT: volume in a CG cannot be deleted individually, but it is possible to remove or add, so good to add that | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | So wouldn't that be extremely confusing to an end user if a volume is in a hidden CG and they try to delete it? | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT | xyang2: So now the tenant suddenly gets volumes that they can't delete, without a good explaination of why. Not good. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | saggi: So how does Smaug handle the case now where a volume is being protected but gets deleted? | 16:15 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1. it will be very confusing for users | 16:15 |
| xyang2 | DuncanT: I see what you meant. almost like all volumes need to be hidden as well | 16:15 |
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| saggi | smcginnis: We still don't set up consistency groups. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Hiding the actual volumes seems even more confusing. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | saggi: I mean without CGs | 16:15 |
| saggi | Yes, we detect that | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | saggi: So why are CGs different? | 16:16 |
| saggi | Since they implement a continues feature. | 16:16 |
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| dulek | Locking the volumes instead? | 16:16 |
| xyang2 | saggi: I believe you have problem with individual resource as well? | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | saggi: Not sure I follow. | 16:17 |
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| saggi | So if we just do a point in time backup. We do a full scan at that point in time and figure what's available | 16:17 |
| xyang2 | saggi: so if smaug backs up a volume and that volume can be deleted in cinder, wouldn't that be a problem too | 16:17 |
| saggi | No, since it didn't exist at that point in time | 16:18 |
| saggi | but if we create a consistency group to facilitate replication and the user modified it. We think that things are being replicated. But they aren't. | 16:18 |
| saggi | Also we don't create volumes. (unless you are restoring). But if we create a consistency group the user might wonder where they came from. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Not sure I like this, but I think it should still be dynamic like that. Maybe scan volumes, add to CG to get consistent snap, then remove after snap is complete? | 16:19 |
| xyang2 | saggi: so this is only a problem for replication? | 16:19 |
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| xyang2 | saggi: because it is continuous, not point in time? | 16:19 |
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| saggi | Yes | 16:19 |
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| saggi | And also that we create an auxiliary entity visible to the user | 16:19 |
| saggi | That they might not understand | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | I think obvious naming could help. "smaug-cg-xxxx-xxx-xxx-xx-xxx" | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | If we make replication groups have a description field, we can put an explaination in there | 16:20 |
| saggi | It similar to why tmp\helper files in desktop applications are hidden. The user might want to modify\delete them. But you don't want them always visible in you $HOME | 16:21 |
| cFouts | what about making replication status available via the API? | 16:21 |
| saggi | I suggested that as the Alternative | 16:21 |
| saggi | Just putting it in the description | 16:21 |
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| saggi | But if we end up making a lot of CS for some reason. They might clutter thing for the user. | 16:21 |
| flip214 | still the users need to look that up to understand why the volume can't be deleted | 16:21 |
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| saggi | A description is a must. The hidden feature is just to prevent confusion and clutter. | 16:23 |
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| saggi | We don't anticipate making a lot of groups. So clutter might not be an issue. | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | I was honestly hoping replication groups will be a different entity to CGs | 16:24 |
| saggi | But it does impact the UX if you keep seeing smag-cs-<SOME_GUID> in your list | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Good point - they are, aren't they? | 16:24 |
| xyang2 | DuncanT: it is different | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | This all depends on xyang2's work. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | So the naming on this isn't accurate calling it consistency groups. | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | So they'll only appear on the replication group list, which is exactly where you want them. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | If this is talking about tiramisu replication. | 16:25 |
| saggi | DuncanT: That's above my pay grade. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | saggi: ;) | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT | saggi: :-) | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I think you are right. | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | So we're a little ahead of things IMO. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | We don't even have replication groups yet. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | So something to keep in mind, but we're not there until we actually add that feature. | 16:26 |
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| saggi | Consistency group for backup we don't fear malice since we fix them before each backup but they still might clutter things. | 16:27 |
| xyang2 | saggi: we don't have CG for backup yet | 16:27 |
| saggi | We *can* fix them. We don't use them yet. | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Makes sense. Nice to have a clear explanation of the problem now | 16:27 |
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| xyang2 | saggi: we have CG for snapshot if that is what you are referring to | 16:27 |
| saggi | xyang2: We plan to snapshot and copy from it. | 16:28 |
| xyang2 | saggi: ok | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | So... doesn't seem like we are making any progress here. | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | saggi: Could you actually submit that as a spec and we can discuss it there? | 16:29 |
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| saggi | smcginnis: Sure | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | saggi: Thanks. I think we all need some time to digest this and figure out what the need is and how this will look to the end user. | 16:30 |
| saggi | I'll also write about our user cases for backup and replication so it's clearer. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | We should probably readdress soon. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | saggi: Perfect - thanks! | 16:30 |
| saggi | smcginnis: np | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #topic Tooz locks for volume drivers | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | Another anonymous topic. :) | 16:31 |
| bluex | soory, this one is mine | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | We need a wiki blame command :-) | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | bluex: All your then... | 16:31 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | *yours | 16:31 |
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| bluex | ok then, we have tooz locking in base cinder code | 16:31 |
| bluex | now we need them too in volume drivers | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/521166/ RemoteFS driver inheritance | 16:32 |
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| bluex | for now https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1606698 | 16:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1606698 in Cinder "Volume drivers should use distributed lock manager" [Undecided,New] | 16:32 |
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| bluex | but I'll be splitting it to separate bug reports for each driver | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | bluex: Have you grepped for how many dirvers are not using the distributes lock decorator? | 16:33 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Definitely these ones: http://paste.openstack.org/show/521166/ | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | I agree it would be good to have bug reports for specific drivers. | 16:33 |
| e0ne | bluex: who will be responsible for bug fixes? drivers maintainers or cinder community? | 16:33 |
| dulek | smcginnis: But that may not be a complete list. | 16:33 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:33 |
| bluex | yup, all of them are mentioned in bug report | 16:33 |
| geguileo | e0ne: It should be driver maintainers | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | bluex: Ah, I see. | 16:34 |
| dulek | e0ne: I would be more comfortable if driver maintainers would switch that. | 16:34 |
| bluex | there are quite a lot of drivers using synchronized(..., external=True) decorators | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: +1 | 16:34 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: what is the decision on this now? Should all drivers be changed to use tooz? | 16:34 |
| geguileo | e0ne: Because they are the ones who actually know if locks need to be distributed or if it's enough to be external | 16:34 |
| e0ne | agree, just want to be sure that we're on the same page | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | At least I would want the driver maintainers to +1 any change made by someone else. | 16:34 |
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| geguileo | xyang2: Only drivers that require the DLM to work in Active-Active need to move to Tooz | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: In preparation for HA AA, yeah, I think so. | 16:35 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: driver maintainer + CI report should be required | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: +1 | 16:35 |
| xyang2 | geguileo: smcginnis, ok, thanks | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | bluex: So you will create specific driver bugs. Anything else on this? | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Who's taking on the job of poking the maintainers who don't respond? There are always a bunch | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I've not got time this time | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Yeah, true. | 16:36 |
| bluex | I think that's all, only wanted to raise awareness of this :) | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I think if a bug is filed against their driver and they don't address it, then it sits there and users of that backend now there may be issues doing AA. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Not the best story, but it is what it is. | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | Part of the bigger issue of vendors not paying attention to bugs filed against their drivers. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | bluex: Cool, thanks for bringing this up. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | And on the topic of uninvolved vendors... | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'm not sure we need a vendor to approve every change... that's one of the reasons I try to -2 changes that make the drivers too difficult to understand | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Non-CI compliant driver removal | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT | (like being entirely hidden in third party libraries) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Yeah, we can make a judgement call for sure. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | So for CI - at the midcycle we discussed CI enforcement. | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | Trying to come up with a concrete policy about enforcement. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | We decided to start with looking at how many haven't reported in more than 22 weeks. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Whoa - 2 weeks, not 22. :) | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Although that's pretty bad too. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/542612/ CI's not reporting > 2 weeks | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | Not sure if this is 100% accurate. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | But it's a start for looking at it. | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | There are a few on here that I know haven't been reporting for some time. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | So I think I will put up some driver removal patches for a few that I know for sure haven't been around. | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | Start putting the removal patches up and post the list of them on the mailing list. No point being overly soft about this, and we don't have to rush to merge the patches | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | We can wait a week like we discussed and if they are not addressed, then we can +A the patches. | 16:41 |
| hemna | ouch | 16:42 |
| hemna | that's a lot of CI's | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | But it should be a clear warning shot. | 16:42 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:42 |
| hemna | do it | 16:42 |
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| cFouts | s/warning shot/incentive | 16:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:42 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | And if we post a patch and post to the ML and get no response from a vendor, that's a clear indication they are not paying attention and not involved in the community as they should be. | 16:42 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: +1 | 16:43 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:43 |
| hemna | so... | 16:43 |
| _alastor_ | smcginnis: +1 | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | We've got time for them to come back into the fold before release if they want to | 16:43 |
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| hemna | FWIW, the HPE_STORAGE_CI has been reporting | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | So a lot of agreement. I want to make sure we think about all sides, so if anyone disagrees it's completely OK to speaj up. | 16:43 |
| hemna | for example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292570/ | 16:43 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: I think we decided so long as its before M3? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, I know there's some other ones there. I won't be posting a patch for that. | 16:43 |
| hemna | it just makes me wonder how valid that list is then | 16:44 |
| hemna | something isn't right | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Yep, I believe that's waht we agreed on. | 16:44 |
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| hemna | can we verify the veracity of that tool that generated that list ? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | hemna: It's based on info on the third party CI wiki, so it's only as accurate as that information. | 16:44 |
| _alastor_ | hemna: It's meant to be a heuristic. Definitely file bugs if you find them :) | 16:44 |
| hemna | as it's not working | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | To be clear - I'm only going to post patches for the ones on there that I know for a fact are not reporting. | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | I will do a little double checking before I do anything. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | diablo_rojo: Honestly I missed the fine detail, sound quality was sketchy. The sooner we get the removal patches posted the better though | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: That's what my wonderful notes in the etherpad were for :) | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | But things like X-IO, Tintri (ironically), Tegile, etc. are all missing for a while now. | 16:45 |
| hemna | wait, the tool uses the wiki to determine which CI's are reporting ?! | 16:45 |
| hemna | I'm confused | 16:45 |
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| _alastor_ | hemna: I'll look into why it's reporting HPE as not reporting | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | _alastor_ can you explain how it works? | 16:46 |
| erlon | hemna: agreed there's something missing/passing in the list, Iv been watching the CIs in this patch and counted a lot more than what is in the list missing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336092/ | 16:46 |
| hemna | we can take this offline | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: I'm guessing name change or something not reflected. /HP/HPE/ | 16:46 |
| hemna | it just doesn't look like the data is accurate at all. | 16:46 |
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| _alastor_ | It's using the wiki, so it's only as accurate as the information there. We don't have any single place that has all the necessary information, so it's a best-guess system | 16:47 |
| hemna | the tool isn't working | 16:47 |
| hemna | it's completely broken IMHO | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | It gives some useful hints. | 16:47 |
| hemna | _alastor_, the wiki says HPE is online and reporting | 16:47 |
| hemna | again, the tool is broken. | 16:48 |
| _alastor_ | hemna: agreed, something is up. I'll take a look and see if I can fix it. | 16:48 |
| hemna | ok | 16:48 |
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| hemna | the wiki doesn't seem like the right place to scrape IMHO | 16:48 |
| xyang2 | _alastor_: can you post the command so everyone can give a try? | 16:48 |
| e0ne | IMO, we should to have policy of drivers removinf if CI is not reported for N weeks | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | I will also compare against here http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=cinder&time=7+days | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | And manual checking, last comment, etc. | 16:48 |
| hemna | the wiki may say the CI is reporting.... | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: That's what we're discussing. :) | 16:49 |
| hemna | when it's not. | 16:49 |
| hemna | can we rethink this in cinder channel please | 16:49 |
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| hemna | (the tool) | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | The policy agreed on was 2 weeks no reporting a patch goes up for removal. 1 week to give a chance to respond and address and it goes through. | 16:49 |
| _alastor_ | hemna: The tool uses Gerrit queries to determine the last time a CI reported on a patch | 16:49 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: yes, I've missed a part of this. my point is: we have to implement policies and follow them | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Totally. | 16:49 |
| hemna | _alastor_, *sigh*. which is it? the wiki or gerrit ? | 16:49 |
| jay-mehta | yes | 16:50 |
| hemna | you are saying 2 different things every time I Ask. | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | That's the hope that we can set a clear policy that we consistently enforce. | 16:50 |
| diablo_rojo | e0ne: It was a discussion we had on day2 I think | 16:50 |
| hemna | the policy is great | 16:50 |
| erlon | _alastor_: cant the toll use the driver_list tool on Cinder to get the driver list and check it they are reporting? | 16:50 |
| hemna | we just need a tool that isn't useless. | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Who's saying 2 different things? | 16:50 |
| _alastor_ | hemna: Wiki to get the initial information (like gerrit account info) then gerrit quries using that information | 16:50 |
| hemna | smcginnis, first he said the tool uses the wiki, then he just said it uses gerrit. | 16:50 |
| * hemna is very confused | 16:50 | |
| hemna | either way, it's broken. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | Let's not get too hung up on the tool at this point. It's sure to have some issues, but it can be improved over time. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | Or replaced by something else if we find a better solution. | 16:51 |
| cFouts | smcginnis +1 | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | So far we've had Tintri's dashboard, patrickeast's dashboard, some last-comment scripts. | 16:51 |
| hemna | I just don't want folks getting driver removal patches put up based upon bogus data from a broken tool. | 16:51 |
| _alastor_ | erlon: What is that? | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | No one has been able to come up with one tool that works the best. | 16:51 |
| hemna | I'm all for a tool that helps automate it, but it needs to work. | 16:51 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:52 |
| _alastor_ | hemna: agreed | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | So I'm just using this as one input to help identify where to look. | 16:52 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Point being, time to get reverting :) | 16:52 |
| hemna | that's why I'm hung up on the tool. | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | We are a long way from where we can blindly automate anything based on its results. | 16:52 |
| erlon | hemna: I woudn't say its useless, just needs some tunning. It helped with the list. We just need to work on the false negatives | 16:52 |
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| hemna | cool. | 16:52 |
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| hemna | lets get it to work, and I'm all for it. | 16:52 |
| erlon | _alastor_: there's a script that list all drivers in Cinder | 16:52 |
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| erlon | _alastor_: tools/generate_driver_list.py | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | My ideal would be something that uses that list of drivers, matches it up with specific tests run by CIs, and gets the data on a per-driver basis. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | It's that mapping that's the killer. | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Didn't you have a proposal at one point to keep somethign in tree? | 16:54 |
| hemna | can we add a CI_NAME attribute to each driver ? | 16:54 |
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| e0ne | hemna: great idea! | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | hemna: CI_NAME and CI_TESTNAME. That could work. At least most of the time. | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | I did, yes. I originally wanted to add an attribute to the drivers, several people prefered a yaml file | 16:54 |
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| _alastor_ | smcginnis: That would definitely make the job easier | 16:54 |
| hemna | hp_3par_fc.HPE3PARFCDriver.CI_NAME="HPE_Storage CI" | 16:54 |
| erlon | hemna: I think would be better to add the driver name to the CI NAME | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | And now that we have the interface compliance checks, we can enforce that all drivers implement somethign like a get_ci_name() call. | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT | The one thing that a yaml (or similar) file can add is a list of the files that make up a driver | 16:55 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:55 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:55 |
| _alastor_ | smcginnis: +1 | 16:55 |
| hemna | the yaml file can get out of sync with the driver | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: You need to be able to instantiate the driver to call that though, unless it's a classmethod | 16:55 |
| hemna | the driver should be the source of truth IMHO. | 16:55 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: could you send mail to openstack-dev about CI_TESTNAME attribute, please? | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | hemna: I can agree with that | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Let's think about that one a bit first. | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | I like the idea, but want to stew on it a bit. | 16:56 |
| hemna | want me to throw together a WIP ? | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Sure, that would be great! | 16:56 |
| hemna | ok cool. | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | 3 minute warning. | 16:56 |
| hemna | I'll just do a few drivers at first and see what it looks like. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Anything else? | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | hemna: If you can get the file list in there somehow, that would be awesome :-) | 16:57 |
| _alastor_ | If we could get the CI account name and actual CI job name that would be great | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll call it. Thanks everyone! | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 16:57:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-27-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-27-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-27-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| e0ne | see you next weel! | 16:58 |
| e0ne | s/weel/week | 16:58 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 17:07:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:07 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:07 |
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| devananda | o/ | 17:07 |
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| sambetts | o/ | 17:07 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:07 |
| jroll | \o | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | hello all, I am assuming that jlvillal is out today | 17:07 |
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| krtaylor | as always agenda | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 17:08 |
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| krtaylor | anyone? | 17:08 |
| jroll | sam's big jjb refactor landed \o/ | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | nice | 17:09 |
| jroll | also, infra pointed out to us that we have far more jobs than other projects, and we should be working to reduce that | 17:10 |
| sambetts | \o/ and it didn't break everything | 17:10 |
| jroll | part of that is our ipmitool transition, which was held back because of reliability concerns | 17:10 |
| jroll | I'd like a volunteer to work on the reliability there | 17:10 |
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| jroll | so we can finish switching over | 17:10 |
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| clarkb | jjb said 83 integration tests | 17:10 |
| sambetts | clarkb: generated or actually being used though? | 17:11 |
| clarkb | generated | 17:11 |
| clarkb | which is also a problem | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | wow | 17:11 |
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| rajinir | \o | 17:12 |
| jroll | right, so we need to work on reducing that | 17:13 |
| devananda | I don't have time to dive into the ipmitool proxy work, but I agree it's important to pivot to that soon | 17:13 |
| jroll | getting rid of the ssh jobs is one part | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | link to share work, spec, blueprint, defect? | 17:13 |
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| sambetts | https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml#L3212 | 17:13 |
| jroll | krtaylor: not sure I have one right now | 17:13 |
| sambetts | this ^ is were all the different permutations are defined now | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml#L3212 | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | thanks sambetts | 17:14 |
| devananda | jroll: how about combining the driver tests into a single (slightly longer) run ? | 17:14 |
| sambetts | as you can see we have 4 differnt drivers being tested, 2 different types of disk image, then you have src or not-src for the ramdisks | 17:14 |
| sambetts | the permutations grow quite fast | 17:14 |
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| jroll | devananda: yeah, I've thought about doing e.g. whole disk vs partition in one run | 17:15 |
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| jroll | if we boot two instances on two nodes, and they're configured to use different images | 17:15 |
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| jroll | seems reasonable for one run | 17:15 |
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| jroll | so no takers to hack on ipmitool job reliability? | 17:17 |
| sambetts | when we remove *_ssh job that'll reduce the generated jobs massivly | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | could we get down to testing one (or two) default driver(s)? | 17:17 |
| jroll | krtaylor: yes, the goal is to remove the ssh drivers | 17:18 |
| * sambetts is willing to help with virtualbmc etc | 17:18 | |
| sambetts | no idea what there is to do though | 17:18 |
| jroll | thanks sambetts | 17:18 |
| jroll | basically, it's too unreliable to make voting | 17:18 |
| jroll | I'm not sure why :) | 17:18 |
| sambetts | I've seen weird failures with it even this morning with ironic failing to power on a node, lucas was looking into it | 17:20 |
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| mjturek1 | is there a common failure on the ipmitool job? ie - the one seen here http://logs.openstack.org/77/332177/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-agent_ipmitool-nv/bb13d69/console.html | 17:21 |
| mjturek1 | just asking because we see this one on the powerkvm ci every now and then and aren't sure why yet ^ | 17:22 |
| jroll | mjturek1: well, that's a generic "the deploy timed out" sort of thing, the root cause is typically "ramdisk booted too slow or not at all" | 17:23 |
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| mjturek1 | ahhh okay | 17:23 |
| rajinir | mjturek1>: Any errors in the conductor logs? | 17:23 |
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| mjturek1 | rajinir: http://logs.openstack.org/77/332177/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-agent_ipmitool-nv/bb13d69/logs/screen-ir-cond.txt.gz?level=ERROR | 17:24 |
| mjturek1 | yeah it's the node not powering on | 17:24 |
| jroll | maybe come back to this in open discussion :) | 17:24 |
| mjturek1 | which jroll mentioned | 17:24 |
| mjturek1 | yeah :) | 17:24 |
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| krtaylor | ok, let's move on then | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | #topic Multi-node Grenade | 17:25 |
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| sambetts | I believe there are a few patches to get this working | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | status has not been updated in a while on the etherpad | 17:26 |
| jroll | orly? | 17:26 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/335981 | 17:26 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/332490 | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:27 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334382/ | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | hm, 332490 isn't there - adding it now | 17:28 |
| jroll | oh, cool stuff | 17:28 |
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| krtaylor | anything else to mention here? | 17:30 |
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| sambetts | No Vasyl has mainly been working on it | 17:31 |
| sambetts | and I can't see him online | 17:31 |
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| krtaylor | ok, lets move on, we can bring it up again in open discussion if needed | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | #topic 3rd party CI | 17:32 |
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| krtaylor | I had an action to create a patch for adding all drivers from a previous meeting, it is here | 17:32 |
| thiagop | #info OneView CI is being rebuild due to hosting cloud problems | 17:32 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330270/ | 17:32 |
| krtaylor | thiagop, good to know, thanks | 17:33 |
| thiagop | it should be ready already, but I'm having some nasty problems with new versions of jjb, zuul, nodepool... | 17:33 |
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| krtaylor | thiagop, ping any of the folks in #openstack-third-party-ci for help | 17:34 |
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| thiagop | krtaylor: thanks, didn't know of this channel.. | 17:34 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, sambetts thanks for the reviews on the drivers patch, I just need the info to fill in the question marks | 17:35 |
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| krtaylor | wrt the driver vs platform thing, it is really up to the project | 17:36 |
| sambetts | Not sure what the best way to handle the drivers on different architechtures is | 17:36 |
| jroll | well, imo this should be a list of drivers | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | nova lists architectures as different drivers | 17:36 |
| jroll | if those drivers are tested on other architectures... we should note that | 17:36 |
| jroll | whaaaat | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/support-matrix.html | 17:37 |
| jroll | I only see that for kvm_ppc64 | 17:37 |
| jroll | oh, in their feature matrix, sure | 17:37 |
| jroll | but on the driver marketplace, I tend to think that should be a list of possible drivers to be used | 17:37 |
| sambetts | ^ this | 17:38 |
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| krtaylor | and that a driver is supported on a different archtecture? | 17:38 |
| krtaylor | thats the question :) | 17:38 |
| jroll | put it in the description? | 17:38 |
| jroll | "tested on x86_64 and ppc64" | 17:38 |
| * jroll wrote this in his latest comment | 17:38 | |
| sambetts | Its a shame we can't list multiple CIs per driver | 17:38 |
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| sambetts | as far as I can tell anyway | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | for community supported drivers tested on other architectures, hm, that works for me | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, not that I know of | 17:39 |
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| sambetts | feature request for stacklytics? | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | jroll, I think thats a good solution for stackalytics anyway | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | we need the contact info for openstack wiki, etc | 17:40 |
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| jroll | yeah | 17:41 |
| krtaylor | I'll push a new rev with that and see what you think | 17:41 |
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| jroll | awesome, thanks | 17:42 |
| krtaylor | anything else for 3rd party CI? | 17:42 |
| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 17:42 |
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| krtaylor | anyone? | 17:43 |
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| krtaylor | well, looks like we're done then, thanks everyone! | 17:44 |
| sambetts | Thanks for hosting krtaylor | 17:44 |
| jroll | cool, thanks for hosting krtaylor | 17:44 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 17:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 17:44:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-07-27-17.07.html | 17:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-07-27-17.07.txt | 17:44 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 27 17:59:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 17:59 |
| pcarver | hi | 17:59 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul | 17:59 |
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| bh526r | hello guys | 18:00 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Hi Bin | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Jeff | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | hi | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Mamil | 18:00 |
| tomhamb | Hi All | 18:00 |
| bh526r | sorry Kamil | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Tom, welcome back | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Let's get started | 18:01 |
| tomhamb | thanks! | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:01 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Jeff Collins | 18:01 |
| tomhamb | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info Let me summarize what we discussed and agreed last meeting, because Tom was on vacation | 18:03 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info First, Regarding Tom's pacth of repo naming, all agreed with Kamal's proposal to change the name from "gluon-core" to "gluon-lib" | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Are you ok with it, Tom? | 18:04 |
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| tomhamb | yes | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info great. So you have an action to update your patch and upload patchset #2 for this name change. | 18:05 |
| tomhamb | will do | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info thank you | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info Secondly, we discussed Architecture document, but what types of architecture document we need to have | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info because it was quite challenging in IRC, we moved to GoToMeeting so that we discussed it on live voice :) | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info which turned out quite effective and constructive | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info Basically, we agreed to have 2 types of document | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info one document focuses on targeted architectural description, features and functions, technical requirement, to motivate and guide detailed design, implementation and coding | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info this document intends to be stable once it is done, and shouldn't change along with implementation and coding | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info it provides the target where we need to go, and what we intend to do and anticipate | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info the other document focuses on more details of then-current implement, its design, how it is implemented, and what are the issues we need to solve at next step in implementation | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info so this second document intends to evolve with then-current implementation and coding, i.e. a living document and changes when code changes | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info the naming of those 2 documents TBD, subject to further discussion | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info here is where we were at the end of last meeting | 18:13 |
| tomhamb | #info sounds good | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info end of admin update | 18:13 |
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| tomhamb | #info do we want to put the documents in a gluon-specs repository? Right now I put the Repo Structure doc in the gluon repo. | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | #info let me check repo structure now | 18:15 |
| tomhamb | #info I missed the openstack process last week. Was there a recommendation either way? | 18:15 |
| krenczewski | Ok, I have a question: Where are the repositories? The active ones? | 18:15 |
| bh526r | #info our current repo is http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/gluon/tree/ | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #info there is a directory "doc" | 18:16 |
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| krenczewski | I am not much involved into developement, but I need to be up to date with developement | 18:16 |
| bh526r | sure | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #info so we will put all docs within doc directory in our repo | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | #info there is "source" under "doc" see http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/gluon/tree/doc/source | 18:17 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info I put the current arch des in the doc/source/ directory. | 18:18 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | #info this is where it should go. Correct? | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #info we discussed "devref" 2 weeks ago. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-13-18.04.log.html | 18:19 |
| pcarver | Jeffreyc42: You may want to go one level further to devref | 18:19 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #info we agreed to "documentation should be part of doc/source/devref" per minutes | 18:19 |
| pcarver | Neutron has doc/source subdirectories for devref, policies, stadium and dashboards | 18:19 |
| bh526r | #info Both Paul and Jeff are right. | 18:20 |
| pcarver | We may not need all that, but it allows for additional documentation that isn't devref to be separated | 18:20 |
| bh526r | #info so for devref related, put to "doc/source/devref" | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info for other subjects, follow Paul's proposal such as policies, etc. | 18:21 |
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| krenczewski | May I have a suggestion, to use #info to mark only what needs to be in a meeting minutes? Full text log from #startmeeting and #endmeeting is avaliable anyway | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | Good suggestion, thank you Kamil | 18:22 |
| pcarver | krenczewski: +1 | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | Are we good now? | 18:23 |
| krenczewski | great :-) | 18:23 |
| pcarver | One semi-documentation related topic is where to put api docs | 18:23 |
| pcarver | It looks like there's currently some ambiguity in OpenStack due to the move from WADL to Swagger. | 18:23 |
| bh526r | usually how did Neutron or Nova do? | 18:23 |
| pcarver | Is anyone starting on API docs or should we postpone that topic? | 18:24 |
| bh526r | I don't think we are starting API docs. We may postpone it for now. | 18:24 |
| bh526r | Paul - can you take an action to look into how other projects handle APIs doc? | 18:24 |
| pcarver | ok, I'm keeping an eye on API documentation developments so I'll hold that topic | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | Great. When we start to work on it, we will know how to do it. | 18:25 |
| bh526r | Thank you Paul | 18:25 |
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| bh526r | Let's switch gear | 18:25 |
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| bh526r | #topic Discuss Infrastructure Need of Development and PoC | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | This item was requested by Daniel Smith, who has been our admin of development infrastructure | 18:26 |
| bh526r | Daniel - ping | 18:26 |
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| krenczewski | Does the PoC is for some planned event? | 18:27 |
| bh526r | I saw "dansmith" | 18:27 |
| bh526r | No, it was for OPNFV Summit | 18:27 |
| Jeffreyc42 | we need to plan for the next OpenStack Summit demo's though | 18:28 |
| bh526r | But now we want some kind of long term planning of infrastructure resources, for our own development and future PoC | 18:28 |
| bh526r | That's right. | 18:28 |
| krenczewski | How contrail backend is considered for any future developement (I forgot to talk about this with Nachi)? | 18:28 |
| Jeffreyc42 | yea, I've been working with Dan on adding a few more servers for us in the OPNFV lab where we currently have the setup running. | 18:29 |
| bh526r | Great, Jeff. | 18:29 |
| Jeffreyc42 | its still in the works though | 18:29 |
| Jeffreyc42 | maybe another month before we get the new servers added | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | That's great news. | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info There is a need of more blades, and more permanent infrastructure resources for our development, and PoC and demo in OpenStack Summit in the future | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info Daniel and Jeff are working on adding a few more servers in Pharos Lab as our permanent home of infrastructure | 18:31 |
| bh526r | #info this is work in progress, and estimate another month before we get the new servers added | 18:32 |
| pcarver | We also need to think about CI. Is the OpenStack CI going to need to invoke things in OPNFV lab in order to have multiple controller backend support for tests? | 18:33 |
| bh526r | Sorry Kamil - of course, Contrail is part of future development and PoC | 18:33 |
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| bh526r | Kamil - you may want to discuss with Nachi about resource allocation, etc. how to do it, and fully integrated with Gluon | 18:34 |
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| krenczewski | Ok, will do | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | Paul - regarding CI, we don't need any code from OPNFV for now. | 18:35 |
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| bh526r | So as long as we are hooked with OpenStack CI, we are good | 18:35 |
| bh526r | There is a big topic in OPNFV, regarding how to connect OpenStack CI with OPNFV CI | 18:36 |
| pcarver | I don't mean code. I mean when commiting new Gluon code, we'll want the OpenStack to test it. Will it be able to test it without instantiating multiple controllers? | 18:36 |
| bh526r | But this is out of scope of our project here :) | 18:36 |
| pcarver | I meant to say "I don't mean OPNFV code" | 18:36 |
| bh526r | For testing Gluon code, we can do 2 steps | 18:37 |
| pcarver | How do we detect when a change to Gluon breaks functionality with one specific SDN controller? | 18:37 |
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| bh526r | Gluon part - which basically Gluon core, particle generator, and validating Proton with the original YAML | 18:37 |
| bh526r | Working with SDN Controller is specific for Proton, which is diagonal with Gluon core part | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | So this is Proton specific, and we may need to test it in OPNFV | 18:39 |
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| pcarver | So can we test, e.g., a "gluon port-create" without instantiating an SDN controller? | 18:39 |
| bh526r | For example, next step of NetReady in OPNFV may be to integrate Gluon back to OPNFV platform | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | Right. That's API testing and validation of logical port | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | And we can test that the actual instantiation effort is done through API, i.e. command or REST call is issued to backend. | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | Then the 2nd part is the actual integration with platform and backends. | 18:43 |
| bh526r | whichever backends are ready to be integrated. | 18:43 |
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| bh526r | The (tested) Gluon core can hook up with backend SDN Controllers and see if SDN Controllers will indeed execute the command/or REST call | 18:44 |
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| krenczewski | +1 bh526r | 18:45 |
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| bh526r | This way, OpenStack focuses on Gluon, and OPNFV focuses on backend integration | 18:46 |
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| bh526r | And we don't rely on the CI integration between OpenStack and OPNFV - no one knows when this can be done | 18:47 |
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| bh526r | But for us, the actual work will be the same in Pharos lab | 18:48 |
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| bh526r | Are we good on this topic? | 18:49 |
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| bh526r | Let's move on | 18:50 |
| pcarver | sounds fine to me | 18:50 |
| tomhamb | yes | 18:50 |
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| bh526r | #topic Review of Patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344283/ | 18:50 |
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| kamal__ | info kamal__ | 18:51 |
| bh526r | Thank you Paul for your comments there | 18:51 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | yes, thank you - I'll push the next patch with your comments updated today | 18:52 |
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| bh526r | Great, and thank you Jeff. | 18:53 |
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| bh526r | Depending on which way this document will go (either a "what-to-do" more permanent document, or a summary of then-current "how-to-do" living document), more comments may come. | 18:54 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Can't we approve it and just add updates to it later? | 18:55 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I don't think we need to continue to review for to much longer before "this version" is approved | 18:55 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I agree it will change but I think its close to being done for now | 18:56 |
| bh526r | I am fine with it being a summary of what has been done for now. | 18:56 |
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| pcarver | Jeffreyc42: I agree about merging sooner rather than later. Additional changes can always be made in a subsequent review | 18:57 |
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| tomhamb | Me too, but at some point we should add some diagrams. | 18:57 |
| Jeffreyc42 | agreed | 18:57 |
| bh526r | I suggest that we rename it as "Summary of Gluon Design and Implementation" for now | 18:58 |
| pcarver | could probably just shorten that to "Gluon Design" | 18:59 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | So generally I would say its too high level for a design doc | 18:59 |
| krenczewski | Low level design ? | 18:59 |
| Jeffreyc42 | design doc's discuss the code level within given functions | 19:00 |
| pcarver | "Gluon High Level Design" | 19:00 |
| pcarver | And then the next doc that needs to be written is "Gluon Low Level Design" | 19:00 |
| bh526r | Good to me | 19:00 |
| Jeffreyc42 | archecture discusses the functions of what modules do but now how they are written | 19:00 |
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| krenczewski | *high | 19:00 |
| Jeffreyc42 | good with me | 19:00 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Gluon High Level Design | 19:00 |
| bh526r | Good for me. | 19:00 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok, so I'll make paul's updates, move it to the correct directory and rename it. Then we can merge it? | 19:01 |
| pcarver | btw, we're running over time. I don't know if there's another meeting scheduled | 19:01 |
| Jeffreyc42 | o woops | 19:01 |
| bh526r | #info agreed to Paul's comments, and the other content of the summary of current Gluon high level design | 19:01 |
| krenczewski | Last week there was one | 19:01 |
| bh526r | Not this week :) | 19:02 |
| Jeffreyc42 | :( | 19:02 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok, anything else since we are out of time? | 19:02 |
| bh526r | #info Jeff will take Paul's comment, upload patchset #2, rename it to "Gluon High Level Design", and move it to the correct directory "doc/source/devref" | 19:03 |
| bh526r | I think that's all. I need to finish documenting it in minutes | 19:03 |
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| tomhamb | I will upload the changes to the Repo Structure document | 19:04 |
| bh526r | That's all for today. thank you everyone | 19:04 |
| bh526r | Thank you Jeff and Tom for taking the action | 19:04 |
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| bh526r | #info meeting adjourned | 19:04 |
| tomhamb | Ok, bye all | 19:04 |
| bh526r | bye all | 19:05 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 19:05 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 19:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 19:05:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-27-17.59.html | 19:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-27-17.59.txt | 19:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-07-27-17.59.log.html | 19:05 |
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