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| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs, ramineni, masahito, aimeeu: courtesy ping | 00:01 |
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| ramineni_ | hi | 00:01 |
| aimeeu | hello! | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 00:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:01 |
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| masahito | hi | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | Agenda for today: (i) mascots, (ii) status | 00:01 |
| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | No ekcs yet. Maybe we should hold off on the mascot topic. | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | We need to decide for sure today, so let's not forget. | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | Let's do status updates. | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | #topic status | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni: want to start? | 00:03 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: sure | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | sorry delayed by software weirdness. | 00:03 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: completed synchronizer migration and horizon plugin model | 00:04 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: bth looks ready to merge | 00:04 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: thats it from my side | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | Synchronizer code is merged | 00:05 |
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| ramineni_ | oh great , havent checked it yet | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | Looks like 1 more typo in the horizon plugin. Then we should merge it. | 00:05 |
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| ramineni_ | ok, will have a look | 00:06 |
| aimeeu | very minor typo (sorry!) | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: Nice work getting those two big changes in | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | aimeeu: want to go next? | 00:07 |
| aimeeu | sure | 00:07 |
| aimeeu | I haven't had much time this week to work on Congress. I started the HAHT overview guide and plan work on the python-congressclient support for identity v3 token unless ramineni wants to take that over. I'm having trouble getting Tempest to work on devstack. | 00:07 |
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| aimeeu | and I thought a tempest test would be good to test identity v3 in the python-congressclient | 00:08 |
| aimeeu | that's all for me | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | We all have trouble getting tempest working. | 00:09 |
| aimeeu | ah, good to know - I've disabled the service for now | 00:09 |
| aimeeu | and plan to make code changes and test manually | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | A v3 identity test for the client would be good. Is there a way to do it with a unit test? It wouldn't be a live test, but might get us partway. | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | Tempest test would also be good | 00:10 |
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| aimeeu | I'll look into that - thanks for the suggestion! | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: want to go next? | 00:11 |
| masahito | ok | 00:11 |
| masahito | Pacemaker RA and its deploy guide for HAHT were merged. | 00:11 |
| masahito | And I pushed first code for lazy datasource driver. | 00:11 |
| masahito | The patch got tempest failure, so I'm investigating it. | 00:12 |
| masahito | That's from my side. | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | Need feedback on the lazy driver? Or is it too early? | 00:13 |
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| masahito | Need review. | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | Will do. | 00:14 |
| masahito | The tempest failure is in ha tests that we all hit. | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs | Okay. Have those tempest gate tests been pretty reliable lately? Or are they still flakey sometimes? | 00:16 |
| ramineni_ | if its timeout issue, Eric´s patch should solve it , else have to look at it | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: want to go next? | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | ramineni: good to know. Thought it was all pretty solid at this point. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | sure. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | API routing patch done but stuck at a gate failure. I think the failure is unrelated to the patch and probably occassional (checks passed, but gate failed). But I'm not sure what the cause is. | 00:18 |
| masahito | thinrichs: for dse1 test it's reliable, for dse2 test the log don't show the details. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | I did a lot of thinking and testing about the push data persistence design. Writing table as string to mysql or writing table as mysql tables. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | masahito: got it. | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: what did you conclude about the push data persistence? | 00:19 |
| ekcs | Using 100kb json string (500 rows), writing a whole new json string is faster than adding 5 and deleting 5 rows. (20ms vs 100ms on very slow laptop HDD, 10 times faster on SSD) | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | Interesting stats | 00:21 |
| ekcs | as we keep increasing table size, writing whole json string will eventually lose to adding/deleting rows. I think it happens around 1000kb. | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | So if people are pushing 1MB+ of data, it makes more sense to compute the diff and update individual rows in the DB. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | Did you think through the issues around upgrade? | 00:23 |
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| ekcs | yes. But I think the best approach is to write string not rows, but allow writing string for incremental update (say 100 updates before writing a full snapshot and getting rid of those updates). | 00:24 |
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| ekcs | for upgrade, I think either approach could be made to work. writing string into single table is easier than writing each ds table into db table. | 00:25 |
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| ekcs | and the decision around when to write full snapshot and when to write diff can be made on a case by case basis if we write string rather than db rows | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | Not sure I follow this exactly. | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | So there's 1 DB table for all push datasources | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | That table has a column for datasource-name, datasource-state-as-a-string | 00:27 |
| ekcs | yes. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | Where do the deltas come in? | 00:27 |
| ekcs | and for handling large tables (1m+), we can in addition store datasource-state-diff-as-string, indexed increasing number since the last snapshot. | 00:28 |
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| ekcs | in another table <dsname, update #, ds-state-delta-as-string> | 00:29 |
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| ekcs | the key is that this is usually a write only store, we very rarely expect to have to read. | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | Then when we write a new snapshot we delete all the rows in that table for that dsname | 00:30 |
| ekcs | yes. | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | Another thought… we could add a col to the original table for 'diff-since-last-snapshot-string' | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | and then update that each time | 00:30 |
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| ekcs | yea that’s a good option to consider too. | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | Hmmm…that might be awkward though b/c the delta wouldn't be based on the in-memory snapshot, but rather a snapshot from the past. | 00:31 |
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| ekcs | the intuition around it is that mysql table is optimized for read that’s why it’s slow even to add&delete 10 rows. we really only care about write. | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | I'd imagine starting with just writing the snapshot as a string. Then optimizing as needed. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | yup my thought too. | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: good observation that we're not reading from this table very often. We've effectively got an in-memory cache. | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: Thanks for digging into that! | 00:34 |
| ekcs | one problem. to store long string in column, | 00:34 |
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| ekcs | we need to use special DB specific datatype (longtext, clob, etc.). | 00:34 |
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| ekcs | so we may lose the ability to arbitrarily swap mysql for postgres etc. | 00:34 |
| ekcs | i’ll need to look at that deeper. | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | Is that supported by oslo-db? | 00:35 |
| -masahito- I think it's supported by oslo-db. | 00:35 | |
| ekcs | I think so (supported by sqlalchemy). but maybe I need to make sure. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | for sure supported by sqlalchemy. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | just not sure if the oslo-db version restricts. | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | oslo-db is the OpenStack database layer, right? If that does it, I'd say it's fine. If not, I'm less certain. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | ok. | 00:36 |
| ekcs | i’ll make sure. that’s all from me. | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | Thanks! | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | Here's my status update. | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs | I've tweaked my patch that disables DSE1 a bit. Had mistakenly removed some tests when moving tests2 to tests. | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | Now I'm working on rebasing the patch on top of the few that went in recently. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | Enough changes that it's nontrivial. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | This patch is large by its nature. | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | Future patches that finish off disabling dse1 will be easier to contain | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | So I'm looking forward to getting this merged | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | That's it from me. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | 2 more topics… | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | s/topics/agenda items/ | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | #topic mascots | 00:41 |
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| thinrichs | We need to finalize our mascot decision today. | 00:41 |
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| thinrichs | I gave our suggestions to get a little early feedback. here's what they said... | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | We're not allowed to choose a specific land item like Aeropagus | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | We could choose a large rock, but they thought it would just look like a blob and recommended against it. | 00:42 |
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| thinrichs | There were a few lizard-like proposals from other teams, so they might have trouble differentiating a salamander from those. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | The Raven seemed somewhat unique. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | No one chose a monkey/baboon | 00:43 |
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| thinrichs | They say all of those will work. | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | Personally I'm leaning toward raven and then salamander | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | Any other thoughts? | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | I think so too. | 00:45 |
| aimeeu | I agree with the raven | 00:45 |
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| masahito | I agree the order. | 00:45 |
| ekcs | but I really really don’t want a monkey or baboon. | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: agreed | 00:45 |
| ekcs | we have to submit three things right? | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: agreed on the no baboon | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | I think just 2 is fine | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | They're going to pick 1, after all | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | And they've already told us both the raven and salamander are fine | 00:46 |
| ekcs | got it. | 00:47 |
| masahito | +1 | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | Okay, so I'll send them (1) raven and (2) salamander | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | final topic… | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | #topic Barcelona | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | Voting for talks is open. | 00:48 |
| * thinrichs looking for link | 00:48 | |
| thinrichs | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | If you search for Congress on the left-hand side, you can see the talks people have submitted | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | Anything we should discuss? | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | aimeeu: one thing before I forget. ramineni and I ran across some low-hanging fruit you might be interested in. | 00:50 |
| aimeeu | excellent | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs | we noticed that we're using 'e.message' in a bunch of places, where e is an exception. That works in Python2 but not Python3. We should be using 'str(e)' instead. | 00:51 |
| aimeeu | I could use a morale-boosting easy fix! (and one that lets me read lots of code) | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | aimeeu: :) | 00:51 |
| aimeeu | has a bug been created? | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Not yet. | 00:52 |
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| ekcs | any thoughts on the gate failure? #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341904/In setting up test_datasource_db_sync_remove, datasource 'fake' seems to already exists. A wild guess is some kind of leftover state that carried forward from one test to the next, but the frequency of failure seems too low for that to be the case. | 00:52 |
| aimeeu | thinrichs: I can create the bug and assign it to myself. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: does that Py2 vs Py3 behavior sound right to you? I don't understand why we didn't hit the e.message problem before this | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | aimeeu: that would be great! | 00:53 |
| ekcs | yes that’s a py2vs3 thing. | 00:53 |
| ekcs | probbaly because we just haven’t hit those errors in testing. | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | That's a bit scary. We use that in like 50 places | 00:53 |
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| ekcs | yea. I think most people still do manual testing in py2 | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: that's the synchronizer test. All kinds of potential race conditions I'd imagine. | 00:55 |
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| ekcs | I dug through some code to understand the setup and teardown. and I can’t seem to understand exactly what may persist from test to test. it’s the same devstack instance right not a new one? | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | ramineni's the expert here | 00:56 |
| ramineni_ | :) , not sure , ill have a look at it today , is it because of new synchronizer code mergd? | 00:57 |
| ekcs | oh hmm that’s possible. it was the last patch to go in before the failures. | 00:58 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: yep, ill take a look today, and let you know if I find anything | 00:58 |
| ekcs | great thanks! | 00:58 |
| thinrichs | Out of time for today. Thanks all! | 00:59 |
| masahito | thanks all | 00:59 |
| aimeeu | bye! | 00:59 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 01:01:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-07-28-00.01.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-07-28-00.01.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-07-28-00.01.log.html | 01:01 |
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| gmann_ | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 09:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
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| gmann_ | hi, - who's here today? | 09:00 |
| andreaf | o/ | 09:00 |
| dmellado | \o hi there | 09:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 09:00 |
| gmann_ | hi everyone | 09:01 |
| gmann_ | let's wait if more people join | 09:01 |
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| andreaf | masayukig, jordanP, afazekas, mkoderer: around? | 09:02 |
| gmann_ | masayukig: is joining some openstack event today | 09:03 |
| gmann_ | anyways let's start | 09:03 |
| gmann_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_July_28th_2016_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:03 |
| gmann_ | ^^ today agenda | 09:03 |
| gmann_ | #topic Newton priorities | 09:04 |
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| gmann_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-newton-priorities | 09:04 |
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| gmann_ | so we have items there and some of them in progress | 09:05 |
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| gmann_ | i would like to avoid talking about each item | 09:05 |
| gmann_ | if anyone want to update on these | 09:05 |
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| gmann_ | probably we are going in good shape on those. | 09:06 |
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| dmellado | I think so, althought for the test class hierarchy squash I'll wait for mid cycle | 09:06 |
| gmann_ | dmellado: ok | 09:07 |
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| gmann_ | yea we can finish may of those there | 09:07 |
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| gmann_ | if nothing let's move | 09:07 |
| gmann_ | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:07 |
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| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:08 |
| gmann_ | there no new spec | 09:08 |
| andreaf | gmann_: indeed, probably nothing to discuss on this, unless someone as something to bring up | 09:08 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: tempest resource is on hold? | 09:08 |
| gmann_ | yea | 09:09 |
| andreaf | gmann_: oomichi took that over, so I'm not looking at it right now | 09:09 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: ohk, | 09:09 |
| gmann_ | let's jump to tempest | 09:09 |
| gmann_ | #topic Tempest | 09:10 |
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| gmann_ | 1 is about compute microversion tests | 09:10 |
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| gmann_ | Matt have doc update for those as per ML and nova mid cycle discussion | 09:10 |
| gmann_ | masayukig: +1 | 09:11 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346092/ | 09:11 |
| gmann_ | and nova one | 09:11 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346080/ | 09:12 |
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| gmann_ | but seems like we need to get conslusion about those in doc first | 09:12 |
| gmann_ | because there are some microvesion tests patches which may or may not be needed | 09:12 |
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| gmann_ | so i brought this here to hold those microversion patches (touching Nova API/DB only ) till we have clear doc on thsoe | 09:13 |
| gmann_ | please provide your opinion on doc patches | 09:13 |
| andreaf | gmann_: will do | 09:13 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: Thanks. | 09:14 |
| vponomaryov | manila tempest plugin has support of microversions, if someone is interested may look at it | 09:14 |
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| * afazekas hi | 09:15 | |
| gmann_ | afazekas: hi | 09:15 |
| jordanP | hi | 09:15 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: great. actually here question is do we need to implement tests for all microversion? | 09:15 |
| andreaf | gmann_: my main concern is adding schema changes in tempest that are not tested - I agree we don't necessarily need to have a tempest test for each microversion, but we need some way to validate the schema, and that's not something we can do in unit tests unfortunately | 09:15 |
| gmann_ | jordanP: hi | 09:15 |
| dmellado | hi afazekas jordanP | 09:15 |
| vponomaryov | gmann_: we add tests for diff of each new microversion if possible | 09:15 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: definitely, we would not add schema which are not tested | 09:16 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: but if higher version tests cover those schema then it should be fine | 09:16 |
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| gmann_ | as Nova always honor the lower version changes in higher one | 09:16 |
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| gmann_ | vponomaryov: yea but sometime whose are duplicate with project functional tests | 09:17 |
| gmann_ | if the just change the API/DB layer only | 09:17 |
| andreaf | gmann_: yes - the only thing we don't really test is that the lower version where we add the schema is the right one | 09:17 |
| andreaf | gmann_: but that's probably not so relevant from a tempest pov | 09:17 |
| gmann_ | you mean to tests nothing more is returned in specific version | 09:18 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: yea that is nice point | 09:18 |
| andreaf | gmann_: e.g. if we add a test for version 2.50 (just an example) and for that we add schema changes that came in in version 2.30, but we call those 2.31, it would work just fine, as long as there is no test for 2.30 or 2.31 | 09:19 |
| gmann_ | I was thinking about filling the gap at end of cycle but from nova and tempest doc patch i feel we should test each microversion changing the schema | 09:19 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: yea but without 2.30/31 tests we would not make sure it does not return more attributes than expected | 09:20 |
| andreaf | gmann_: correct | 09:22 |
| andreaf | gmann_: so are you saying we actually need a test for every microversion? | 09:22 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: every microversion which change the schema. | 09:23 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: is there is no schema change then first rule applicable (if touching only API/DB then no) | 09:23 |
| gmann_ | is->if | 09:23 |
| andreaf | ok | 09:23 |
| gmann_ | actually that is current proposed in nova and tempest doc patches | 09:24 |
| vponomaryov | all microversions change chema | 09:24 |
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| vponomaryov | they are added because of change of schema | 09:24 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: no, it depends on version to version | 09:25 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: no, there can be any kind of changes | 09:25 |
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| vponomaryov | gmann_: change of response code I consider as change of schema too | 09:25 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: for example, only request schema change or functional change or bug fix | 09:25 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: yea but not every microversion change response | 09:26 |
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| vponomaryov | it was example | 09:26 |
| vponomaryov | microversions are added, when API started behaving differently | 09:26 |
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| gmann_ | example - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/rest_api_version_history.rst#27 | 09:27 |
| vponomaryov | s/started/starts/ | 09:27 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: yea which does not mean change in response only. | 09:27 |
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| gmann_ | anyways let's review those and merged soon | 09:28 |
| gmann_ | next item i want to bring is very simple one | 09:29 |
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| gmann_ | Removal of Javelin | 09:29 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347216/ | 09:29 |
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| gmann_ | will be pretty easy. | 09:29 |
| dmellado | +1 from my side, we already marked it as deprecated a while ago | 09:29 |
| jordanP | +1 | 09:29 |
| gmann_ | I still need to create new repo for stress tests and thn remove from tempest | 09:30 |
| gmann_ | dmellado: yea its over 6 month | 09:30 |
| gmann_ | that'all from my side on Tempest | 09:31 |
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| andreaf | gmann_: is javelin going into it's own repo or just dropped? | 09:31 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: just dropped | 09:31 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: i did not feel like anybody need so did not added new repo | 09:31 |
| andreaf | gmann_: ok | 09:31 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: you want talk about client refactor one | 09:32 |
| jordanP | yeah, just drop it | 09:32 |
| andreaf | gmann_: are you looking at negative test framework as well? | 09:32 |
| andreaf | gmann_: sure | 09:32 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: no, may be in mid cycle we can discuss with mkoderer there :) | 09:32 |
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| andreaf | gmann_: ok | 09:32 |
| andreaf | gmann_: regarding the client manager refactor | 09:32 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: i need to review as you updated those i think | 09:32 |
| andreaf | gmann_: a few patches merged, but there are a few more https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/client-manager-refactor | 09:33 |
| andreaf | gmann_: the series is ready from my perspective, I already got some +2 on some of the patches but it could use more attention | 09:33 |
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| gmann_ | andreaf: may be this one and next one is key - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333513/ | 09:34 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: after that it will be easy to merge others | 09:34 |
| andreaf | gmann_: yes, that's probably the key one. I hope I addressed all the comments from you, mtreinish and oomichi on that one | 09:35 |
| andreaf | gmann_: I changed it now to a fail fast behaviour in case of bad plugins | 09:35 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: Thanks, need to look on those. I will definitely do those 2 tomorrow. | 09:36 |
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| gmann_ | and get back to you if anything | 09:36 |
| andreaf | gmann_: since the service client interface is new, it's better not to be lenient on avoid broken implementations | 09:36 |
| andreaf | gmann_: thanks | 09:36 |
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| dmellado | andreaf: so then once that this is done we'll need to address every plugin with patches like this one, isn't it? | 09:37 |
| gmann_ | ohk. i will check the updates | 09:37 |
| dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334596/ | 09:37 |
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| andreaf | I have patches up for manila and monasca, I don't expect to do such patches for all plugins, but I will send an email to the ML and help people out where needed. I think a couple of examples should be sufficient for most teams to adapt their plugins | 09:39 |
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| gmann_ | andreaf: +1, nice way. we cannot do for all plugin | 09:39 |
| andreaf | gmann_: using the new interface should be quite straight-forward | 09:40 |
| dmellado | andreaf: exactly, that was also my point | 09:40 |
| gmann_ | yea | 09:40 |
| andreaf | gmann_: one limitation is that only stable clients are available | 09:40 |
| dmellado | I'd be able to land a few too if needed, though | 09:40 |
| andreaf | gmann_: which means that as long as volume, identity and object-storage are stable, they are not available to plugins via the stable interface | 09:40 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: yea, that is little nit tricky | 09:41 |
| gmann_ | andreaf: user need to use both way if they want all clients | 09:41 |
| andreaf | s/are stable/are not stable | 09:41 |
| dmellado | maybe we'd need to get more help on getting them stable | 09:41 |
| gmann_ | but let's hope we will get those clients as stable soon. | 09:41 |
| dmellado | AFAIK there are some projects, like manila who were complaning about that | 09:42 |
| dmellado | vponomaryov: just pointing to that later, but is that part of your reason to skip some plugins? | 09:42 |
| gmann_ | dmellado: everyone complain on those when changed :) | 09:42 |
| vponomaryov | dmellado: the reason is some other broken plugins were broken whole test run | 09:43 |
| dmellado | gmann_: :D | 09:43 |
| vponomaryov | s/were broken/were breaking/ | 09:43 |
| gmann_ | ok let's move | 09:43 |
| gmann_ | anything else from anyone | 09:43 |
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| gmann_ | vponomaryov: due to setup of plugins on gate as al plugin get setup there? | 09:43 |
| vponomaryov | gmann_: yes, just by fact of their presence | 09:44 |
| vponomaryov | that is unavoidable | 09:44 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: no, that is avoidable | 09:44 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: you can install only your plugin i think in venv | 09:44 |
| gmann_ | ironic did? | 09:44 |
| gmann_ | I need to check if those are got merged or not | 09:44 |
| vponomaryov | gmann_: it is workaround | 09:45 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: yea, | 09:45 |
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| dmellado | vponomaryov: gmann_ but as they're know | 09:45 |
| dmellado | and specifically to manila | 09:45 |
| dmellado | as you point to an specific commit | 09:45 |
| dmellado | if you install all plugins | 09:45 |
| dmellado | things might break, imho | 09:45 |
| dmellado | :\ | 09:45 |
| gmann_ | yea | 09:45 |
| vponomaryov | we used to breakage of tempest, sorry | 09:46 |
| gmann_ | humm | 09:46 |
| gmann_ | let's jump to critical review | 09:46 |
| dmellado | I really do hope that finishing the stable clients would help on that | 09:46 |
| gmann_ | we can skip devstack and dashboard if nothing on those | 09:46 |
| dmellado | +1 | 09:46 |
| andreaf | vponomaryov, dmellado, gmann_: the more stable interface we have the less breakages you may expect | 09:46 |
| gmann_ | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:46 |
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| gmann_ | right | 09:47 |
| andreaf | gmann_: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/client-manager-refactor | 09:47 |
| dmellado | andreaf: yep, that's why I'm trying to land a few patch series on those too | 09:47 |
| gmann_ | any reviews from anyone | 09:47 |
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| gmann_ | andreaf: noted :) | 09:47 |
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| gmann_ | ok, we have 10 min left , let's move | 09:48 |
| gmann_ | #topic Possibility to enable/disable external plugins | 09:48 |
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| gmann_ | vponomaryov: your one. | 09:48 |
| vponomaryov | I proposed change (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343830/), that allows us to enable/disable any external plugins we want just setting up one additional config option. | 09:48 |
| vponomaryov | It has two pros: | 09:49 |
| vponomaryov | - We can ignore undesired plugins | 09:49 |
| vponomaryov | - We can avoid presence of tests from dozens of undesired projects in our generated test list. | 09:49 |
| vponomaryov | So, I would like to get opinions on it. | 09:49 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: and it will do this while loading plugin? | 09:50 |
| andreaf | vponomaryov: ignore tests is something you can already do via regex, just pick the tests from your plugin | 09:50 |
| vponomaryov | gmann_: it allows us to influence loading of any plugin | 09:50 |
| dmellado | vponomaryov: I assume you mean a plugin breaking your one, isn't it? | 09:50 |
| andreaf | vponomaryov: I'm not against skipping plugins in general, but I think it's a bit of a workaround | 09:50 |
| vponomaryov | andreaf: false, tests regex is far away of step when plugins are disabled | 09:51 |
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| andreaf | vponomaryov: and I fear it will reduce the pressure on broken plugins to be fixed | 09:51 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: then it is while loading the tests? | 09:51 |
| vponomaryov | gmann_: loading plugins | 09:51 |
| vponomaryov | gmann_: before it | 09:51 |
| jordanP | why don't use just start only the tests you are interested in running, like: tox -e all-plugin -- manila.tests ? | 09:51 |
| gmann_ | vponomaryov: humm | 09:51 |
| jordanP | ah ok, got it | 09:51 |
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| dmellado | also, what we were discussing before, wouldn't a solution -workaround too- have a venv containging only your desired plugins? | 09:52 |
| dmellado | vponomaryov: ^^ | 09:52 |
| gmann_ | jordanP: actually issue is loading of tests from other plugin if they import error | 09:52 |
| vponomaryov | jordanP: because lots of redundant stuff is performed, if not broken at all | 09:52 |
| jordanP | yeah | 09:52 |
| vponomaryov | dmellado: I consider venv-based part as workaround | 09:52 |
| andreaf | gmann_, jordanP: plugins should not do things at import time, same as tempest - so those should be fixed | 09:53 |
| vponomaryov | dmellado: we should be able to use site-package-based plugins | 09:53 |
| jordanP | I am not sure it's a good idea, broken plugins should be fixed or not installed at all... | 09:53 |
| dmellado | jordanP: that might not be possible for in-tree packages | 09:53 |
| andreaf | jordanP: yes that's my feeling too | 09:53 |
| vponomaryov | jordanP: people install packages with some lugins, not just plugins | 09:53 |
| jordanP | I think we wanted/want to move away from the proliferation of virtualenvs required to run tempest | 09:53 |
| gmann_ | jordanP: andreaf exactly. me too same feeling. they should be correct one or do not install | 09:53 |
| dmellado | gmann_: but again | 09:54 |
| vponomaryov | jordanP: I would like to not install some plugins of some packages, but it requires hacking only | 09:54 |
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| dmellado | how would you avoid having a plugin installed | 09:54 |
| dmellado | if it comes with the in-tree project | 09:54 |
| dmellado | such as the neutron one | 09:54 |
| dmellado | ? | 09:54 |
| vponomaryov | in proposed commit I just allow to ignore it in tempest | 09:54 |
| dmellado | you might end up in a situation where if you don't use venv, you'll have quite a few plugins from start | 09:54 |
| gmann_ | dmellado: then do not install neutron. | 09:54 |
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| jordanP | if neutron's plugin is broken, then they have a big issue | 09:54 |
| andreaf | dmellado: one more reason to have the plugin in a dedicated reop | 09:54 |
| dmellado | andreaf: I do agree on that | 09:55 |
| gmann_ | venv things are very nice here. | 09:55 |
| dmellado | and I'm trying to push it that way | 09:55 |
| andreaf | s/reop/repo | 09:55 |
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| dmellado | but for instance I found some similar issue with the ironic plugin | 09:55 |
| dmellado | which was even breaking testr list-tests | 09:55 |
| gmann_ | because tempest should load everything it detect | 09:55 |
| dmellado | due to it trying to get credentials while it, which is quite weird | 09:55 |
| vponomaryov | gmann_: we should be able to disable "load everything" that is the point | 09:55 |
| dmellado | so I think that this could come in handy | 09:55 |
| vponomaryov | gmann_: it is testing tool and shoudl be flexible enough | 09:56 |
| vponomaryov | to serve lots of possible needs | 09:56 |
| andreaf | dmellado, vponomaryov: plugins should not do things at import time, because that may break discovery | 09:56 |
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| dmellado | andreaf: I do agree on that, but I'm just thinking on a system when you'll end up not wanting to use venv | 09:56 |
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| gmann_ | vponomaryov: but its all like my distribution. and what i installed should be in working condition instead of skiping those during runtime | 09:56 |
| andreaf | vponomaryov: as I said I'm not opposed to the idea, but I'd like to make sure issues in plugins are fixed | 09:57 |
| dmellado | while at the same time isolating/skipping plugins | 09:57 |
| dmellado | andreaf: so you're fearing that with this, people would just don't care | 09:57 |
| vponomaryov | andreaf: default behaviour is to load all | 09:57 |
| vponomaryov | andreaf: "possibility" is added | 09:57 |
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| vponomaryov | andreaf: possibility to disable some | 09:57 |
| vponomaryov | plugins | 09:57 |
| dmellado | gmann_: I'll ask you about the way you handle plugins later, don't want to spam here | 09:58 |
| gmann_ | dmellado: sure | 09:58 |
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| jordanP_ | what about surounding the plugin loading with a big try/except so that if a broken is broken at import/init, we just skip it ? | 09:58 |
| gmann_ | let's see the patch and get more feedback there | 09:58 |
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| gmann_ | but i also still feel its all installation of system | 09:58 |
| dmellado | jordanP_: that could be another option | 09:59 |
| gmann_ | jordanP_: might be not good, i tried this before :) | 09:59 |
| dmellado | gmann_: and what happened? | 09:59 |
| gmann_ | jordanP_: it might hide lot of issues in plugin | 09:59 |
| andreaf | jordanP_: sure that's an option, but that would make us even more lenient on broken plugins | 09:59 |
| andreaf | gmann_ +1 | 09:59 |
| gmann_ | yea | 09:59 |
| dmellado | andreaf: then how do you propose to handle such plugins? | 09:59 |
| jordanP_ | broken plugins should be fixed by plugin owners, and not break Tempest | 09:59 |
| jordanP_ | time's up :) | 10:00 |
| dmellado | just let tempest be broken (or use venv) so that'd force the devs to fix it? | 10:00 |
| gmann_ | jordanP_: but they would get to know till tempest fail | 10:00 |
| gmann_ | anyways time is running i think | 10:00 |
| dmellado | yeah, we're out of time | 10:00 |
| dmellado | we can continue on #openstack-qa | 10:00 |
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| gmann_ | let;s discuss this on QA channel or on review | 10:00 |
| gmann_ | Thanks everyone | 10:01 |
| gmann_ | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 14:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:00 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| lyarwood | o/ | 14:00 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:00 |
| raj_singh | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| auggy | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mriedem | let's do this | 14:01 |
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| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| mriedem | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #info Today is the freeze for python 3 and mox removal work. If there is anything close let's get it merged, everything else should be stopped for Newton. | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | #link python 3 conversion changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/nova-python3-newton+status:open | 14:02 |
| macsz | \o | 14:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #link mox removal changes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/remove-mox-newton+status:open | 14:02 |
| dansmith | so lyarwood has a py3 fix but it's needed for a real bug fix | 14:02 |
| dansmith | and it's also a disgusting hack, which is why it failed on py3 | 14:02 |
| mriedem | real fixes are fine i think | 14:02 |
| dansmith | yeah, just FYI | 14:02 |
| dansmith | don't go -2 it :D | 14:03 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342111 | 14:03 |
| mriedem | there are 5 pages of mox removal stuff, so we need to land whatever is already +2'ed or ready today | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i'm not going to -2 all of the mox removal changes, there are too many | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | i will mark the bps complete by the end of the day though | 14:03 |
| mriedem | and probably also put out a reminder in the mailing list | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | #info Aug 4: priority spec approval freeze | 14:04 |
| mriedem | that's 1 week from today | 14:05 |
| mriedem | the only priority specs i think we have are probably resource provider stuff and libvirt storage pools | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #info move non-priority newton specs for review to the ocata directory if you still plan on working those in ocata | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | anything up for review that's not moved to ocata by 8/4 will get abandoned | 14:06 |
| mriedem | any release questions? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:07 | |
| mriedem | gate status has been ok i think | 14:07 |
| mriedem | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i'm not aware of any major new fallout | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | so, the resize is quite in a hard shape | 14:08 |
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| diana_clarke | o/ | 14:08 |
| bauzas | because of the man just writing this line | 14:08 |
| mriedem | bauzas: is there a gate bug? | 14:08 |
| bauzas | we basically just send the original flavor to the scheduler | 14:08 |
| bauzas | mriedem: nope, just that we verify the old flavor instead of the new one | 14:08 |
| mriedem | so jobs are failing or...? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | nope | 14:09 |
| bauzas | is this a "bugs" topic :) | 14:09 |
| bauzas | ? :p | 14:09 |
| mriedem | yeah, sorry, was talking about gate status though so i thought you were talking about jobs failing on something new | 14:09 |
| bauzas | my bad then :) | 14:10 |
| bauzas | I saw a couple of grenade rechecks tho | 14:10 |
| mriedem | does the test fail? | 14:10 |
| mriedem | b/c it tries to do a migrate instead of a resize on a single node? | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | how about we just talk about this in -nova after the meeting... | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | sorry, seems I made a lot of confusion : no, the resize bug is not impacting the bug AFAICS | 14:11 |
| bauzas | graah | 14:11 |
| bauzas | not impacting the gate* | 14:11 |
| bauzas | and okay, let's move that offline | 14:11 |
| * gibi is late | 14:11 | |
| mriedem | ok, well, if we have false positives in resize tests that's also bad | 14:11 |
| * edleafe wanders in | 14:12 | |
| mriedem | but let's talk about it in nova | 14:12 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:12 |
| mriedem | third party ci status - has seemed....ok? | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | honestly third party ci status is a crapshoot from week to week | 14:12 |
| mriedem | quobyte ci should be back on track though, we reverted something that was breaking their ci | 14:12 |
| mriedem | i think i noticed that xen is working on a neutron-backed job | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | which is good to see | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | are there any critical bugs anyone wants to bring up? | 14:13 |
| mriedem | markus_z: auggy: ? | 14:13 |
| markus_z | nothing noteworthy from my pov | 14:13 |
| auggy | i'm not aware of anything | 14:13 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | moving on then | 14:13 |
| mriedem | #reminders | 14:13 |
| mriedem | oops | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:14 | |
| mriedem | #link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | #help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty? | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | looks like we have 36 untriaged bugs | 14:14 |
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| macsz | i can do it | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | macsz: cool, just update that wiki, thanks | 14:15 |
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| macsz | sure, will do | 14:15 |
| mriedem | auggy: before i forget, if we have wiki pages on the py3 and/or mox conversion efforts for new people, we should put a big fat "this is frozen now for newton and will resume in ocata" at the top of the pages | 14:15 |
| auggy | mriedem: kk noted | 14:15 |
| mriedem | #action auggy to note that py3 and mox efforts are frozen for newton in their respective wiki pages | 14:16 |
| mriedem | thanks | 14:16 |
| auggy | i'll update the new contributor page | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | #topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:17 | |
| mriedem | the periodic jobs for nova on stable have been fine | 14:17 |
| mriedem | #link stable/mitaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/mitaka,n,z | 14:17 |
| mriedem | #link stable/liberty: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 14:17 |
| mriedem | we have a bunch of mitaka backports ready to go i think, just need some review focus | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | i need to hunker down on those so we can get a stable/mitaka point release out early next week | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | #help review stable/mitaka backports so we can do a release the week of 8/1 | 14:18 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:18 | |
| mriedem | there wasn't a cells meeting this week | 14:19 |
| mriedem | there are reviews ongoing though | 14:19 |
| mriedem | dansmith: jaypipes: how is doffm's aggregates to api db series coming? | 14:19 |
| dansmith | I asked him something the other day and never got a response | 14:19 |
| dansmith | he squashed the patch to block creations and do creates in the api db | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: slowly... | 14:20 |
| dansmith | mriedem: meaning, I asked jaypipes something.. rather, pointed him at the later patch as the answer to his question | 14:20 |
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| dansmith | about the autoincrement thing | 14:20 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: lemme look again. last I checked yesterday I posted a review of -1 because there were tempest tests around aggs that were failing with a valid problem. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | dansmith: jaypipes: if there isn't much left, and it's just a matter of pushing the changes, i say someone takes it over | 14:21 |
| dansmith | if that is resolved, then I think they're probably ready I just didn't +2 anything | 14:21 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:21 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I'm happy to do that | 14:21 |
| dansmith | if need be | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: there are valid failures. is doffster on PTO? | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | the doffster is getting pulled into lots of internal stuff | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | boo. | 14:21 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I didn't see those failures, but I'll pick it up and figure those out when we're done here and will ping you if I can't find them | 14:22 |
| mriedem | there is also a series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325985/ which the bottom patch is holding up some stuff - unfortunately i didn't get the review on it until right before laski left on vacation | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: ok, well, my schedule today is pretty open. have a meeting I must attend from 8am-9am your time but otherwise pretty open. | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | if we think someone else can tackle what's left, which i don't think is much on that one, we can move forward with the series | 14:22 |
| mriedem | bauzas: melwitt: ^ fyi | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: happy to quick-review-iterate with you on that series. | 14:22 |
| dansmith | alright | 14:22 |
| edleafe | mriedem: I may have some cycles, too | 14:22 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:23 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I'll be on PTO for two weeks starting tomorrow EOB, passing the ball, sorry | 14:23 |
| mriedem | mandatory PTO i hope | 14:23 |
| dansmith | jeez | 14:23 |
| bauzas | ahah | 14:23 |
| mriedem | then let's all let it rest on melwitt's shoulders | 14:23 |
| bauzas | I really *tried* to not take more, hard call :p | 14:23 |
| mriedem | we're all counting on you, good luck | 14:23 |
| mriedem | moving on to scheduler subteam meeting highlights | 14:24 |
| mriedem | edleafe: was there a scheduler meeting this week? i didn't think so | 14:24 |
| edleafe | I was out on Monday | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | So unless someone else ran it... | 14:24 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:24 |
| bauzas | and noone took the ball AFAIK | 14:24 |
| mriedem | jaypipes and cdent have a thread in the ML | 14:24 |
| mriedem | which i haven't read yet | 14:24 |
| cdent | nbd | 14:24 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: anything you want to say? | 14:25 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: on the laski patch (that has a -WIP on it) do you need me to do anything there? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: no i don't think so | 14:25 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: ideally you and i would stay as reviewers on that one | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: on scheduler stuff, I agree with bauzas that I'd handle the object model work for dynamic resource classes and he could crank out the REST API for resource classes on the placement service. | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yes on laski thing | 14:26 |
| mriedem | even though he'll be gone for 2 weeks | 14:26 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: because jaypipes has good cheese | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: I'm gonna push yet another revision on the resource-providers-allocations and dynamic-resource-classes specs today after feedback from cdent and bauzas. | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | dynamic-resource-classes was agreed to be a stretch goal for newton yes? | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: well, yeah, but there's lots that needs done before his CRUD API patches would be landable anyway. | 14:27 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: correct. | 14:27 |
| mriedem | ok, just making sure | 14:27 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: exactly, hence me thinking I can async work on it | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:28 |
| mriedem | let's move on | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yup. just dont' make the API calls async ;P | 14:28 |
| mriedem | PaulMurray isn't here | 14:28 |
| mriedem | there was a live migration meeting this week, we mostly talked about CI | 14:28 |
| mriedem | tdurakov is working on tempest patches for the latest live migration related microversions | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | and was going to see how re-enabling NFV in the live migration job works out | 14:29 |
| mriedem | we also compared the nova-net vs neutron multinode jobs that both run live migration, the neutron job has somewhat better pass rates over 7 days, but it's only check queue and the types of failures from the jobs probably wouldn't matter (for live migration) between networking backends | 14:29 |
| mriedem | anyway, putting thought into moving away from nova-net jobs when we have duplicates | 14:30 |
| mriedem | and paul-carlton's libvirt storage pools spec is up for review yet i think, and mnestratov was +1 on it for vz | 14:30 |
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| mriedem | sdague: want to cover anything from the api meeting this week? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | must be too early for sean :) | 14:31 |
| mriedem | the proxy api deprecation series is done | 14:31 |
| mriedem | dansmith is working the novaclient changes for that | 14:31 |
| mriedem | there are some questions in the ML on how to handle the tempest changes for that | 14:31 |
| mriedem | and gmann has a patch up to stop allowing a url for image_href | 14:32 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I think the current patch is good, needs reviews | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | that's about all i remember from the api meeting | 14:32 |
| mriedem | dansmith: ok i'll try to get a pass on that again today | 14:32 |
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| dansmith | thanks | 14:32 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347514/ | 14:32 |
| mriedem | for those at home | 14:32 |
| mriedem | i thought we were going to deprecate the python APIs too? | 14:33 |
| mriedem | rather than let them just start failing | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | moshele: if you're around, was there a pci/sriov meeting this week? | 14:34 |
| moshele | yes | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | updates? | 14:35 |
| moshele | so regarding CI we have the following tempest patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343294/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335447/ we didn't get review for tempest cores :( | 14:35 |
| dansmith | mriedem: they fail if you don't explicitly request the right microversion.. I thought we have to leave those in place for a cycle, but maybe you just want some deprecated decoration? | 14:35 |
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| moshele | basically tempest is broken for some test when using vnic_type | 14:36 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah deprecation warnings and docstring updates like we have for baremetal and image proxy apis | 14:36 |
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| dansmith | okay | 14:36 |
| moshele | this is WIP patch for testing migration and migration revert in tempest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347374/ | 14:36 |
| moshele | also we have several patch around migraion/migration-revert that needs reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347444/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347558/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328983/ | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | moshele: I'm reviewing that... | 14:37 |
| mriedem | moshele: doesn't that have to depend on those other changes? | 14:37 |
| mriedem | the tempest WIP i mean | 14:37 |
| moshele | no | 14:37 |
| moshele | sorry it depend on one of them | 14:38 |
| moshele | on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335447/ | 14:38 |
| mriedem | moshele: ok should probably stack those in a series or use Depends-On | 14:38 |
| moshele | mriedem: we ping the tempest core in infra and we didn't get mach review | 14:39 |
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| moshele | mriedem: so we have a multinode cI with all the tempest patches for testing the nova patches | 14:39 |
| moshele | mriedem: I don't want to block stuff because of tempest | 14:40 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:40 |
| mriedem | let's move on | 14:40 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:41 |
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| mriedem | there was nothing in the agenda | 14:41 |
| mriedem | anyone have something to bring up? | 14:41 |
| gcb | mriedem ,please have a look at oslo related reviews which we talked before, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1517839 | 14:41 |
| mriedem | gcb: is that all that's left of that series? | 14:41 |
| gcb | yes | 14:42 |
| mriedem | gcb: b/c we're winding down on stuff like this in nova for newton | 14:42 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:42 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:42 |
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| mriedem | one thing i have to bring up | 14:42 |
| mriedem | novaclient currently caps at 2.32 | 14:42 |
| * gibi is wondering if he missed the notification subteam part of the meeting | 14:42 | |
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| mriedem | gibi: sorry i didn't ask about notifications since those were halted for newton and are biweekly meetings | 14:43 |
| mriedem | did you have something? | 14:43 |
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| gibi | mriedem: yeah we have biweekly meetings and a couple of follow up patches still for newton | 14:43 |
| gibi | mostly refactoring, test improvemtn, doc improvement | 14:43 |
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| gibi | the subteam part of the newton priority etherpad has the links | 14:44 |
| gibi | these follow ups needs some core attention if bandwidth allows | 14:44 |
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| mriedem | sure, same as last meeting | 14:44 |
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| gibi | yeah somthing like that | 14:44 |
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| gibi | that is all | 14:44 |
| mriedem | ok, back to novaclient | 14:44 |
| mriedem | so we have 2.32 today | 14:44 |
| mriedem | dan is working on 2.36 | 14:45 |
| mriedem | we need to fill the gap | 14:45 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-novaclient+status:open | 14:45 |
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| mriedem | i see WIP reviews for 2.34 and 2.35 | 14:45 |
| mriedem | don't see anything for 2.33 | 14:45 |
| mriedem | anyway, heads up that we need work there | 14:45 |
| mriedem | #help need to get 2.33-2.35 microversions implemented in novaclient | 14:46 |
| mriedem | anyone have anything else for open discussion? | 14:46 |
| wznoinsk | hi, I have one | 14:46 |
| mriedem | intel nfv ci :) | 14:46 |
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| wznoinsk | you said that ;-) | 14:47 |
| wznoinsk | I would like to ask for your opinions (especially the bad ones) on our Intel NFV CI, where we could improve and is it possible to get voting rights now/then -> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099735.html | 14:47 |
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| mriedem | i feel like i don't know that's been going since we don't have metrics to compare it against the other jobs | 14:48 |
| mriedem | looking at http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days it looks quite green | 14:48 |
| mriedem | except tempest-dsvm-ovsdpdk-nfv-networking | 14:48 |
| mriedem | but those could be actual changes that just fail the job b/c they break it | 14:49 |
| mriedem | i'm fine with making it voting to see how it goes, | 14:49 |
| mriedem | we can always turn that off if it goes south | 14:49 |
| wznoinsk | yeah, it was broken for less than a day because of upstream change... let me dig out the id | 14:50 |
| mriedem | i feel like the intel team running that ci has been pretty responsive | 14:50 |
| mriedem | unless anyone has major objections i'll ack that request in the ML thread | 14:51 |
| mriedem | ok, anything else for open discussion? | 14:51 |
| dansmith | I haven't been paying attention to it, | 14:51 |
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| dansmith | but making it voting will help that, so if you think it's reasonable, I'm good with turning it on for visibility | 14:52 |
| mriedem | same thought | 14:52 |
| mriedem | plus this was a big ask at the summit for NFV so i'm glad to see people stepping up that runs these things | 14:52 |
| mriedem | like wznoinsk and moshele | 14:52 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:52 |
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| mriedem | btw, i was planning on writing up a recap of the highlights/todos/decisions from the ML for the meetup, it's just a lot of content to cover | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | so if you didn't make it and are wondering about that, ^ | 14:53 |
| wznoinsk | btw. devstack change that broke the above job - https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/c714c7e96, workarounded on the spot | 14:53 |
| mriedem | wznoinsk: does the intel nfv ci run against devstack changes? | 14:53 |
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| wznoinsk | mriedem: only for ODL+OVSDPDK testing, kind of a legacy decision | 14:54 |
| mriedem | and what do you mean by workarounded on the spot? is devstack going to be changed or are you carrying something in your ci setup to workaround that? | 14:54 |
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| mriedem | anyway, we can take this to the dev list, i'll ask there | 14:55 |
| mriedem | let's wrap up with 5 big minutes to spare | 14:55 |
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| mriedem | thanks everyone | 14:55 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 14:55:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| wznoinsk | mriedem: we've set the workaround (set Q_USE_PROVIDERNET_FOR_PUBLIC to Flase as before the change) to troubleshoot the issue | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-07-28-14.00.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-07-28-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-07-28-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
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| greghaynes | cinerama: ohai | 19:59 |
| greghaynes | I wonder if ianw will be around... | 19:59 |
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| cinerama | hmm | 19:59 |
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| greghaynes | If its just me and you we can say theres not enough folk this time around | 20:00 |
| greghaynes | Also, I really wish we had andre on irc | 20:01 |
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| cinerama | yes | 20:02 |
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| cinerama | anyway, so things i was going to talk about were basically, what all do we officially want for 2.0, status, and who is going to do what | 20:03 |
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| cinerama | also: i need to modify the meeting calendar entry & propose our IRC channel stll, have had ironic work | 20:03 |
| greghaynes | ianw: said he would get an etherpad up so we can hash out a list of what all we want | 20:03 |
| greghaynes | it might be good to send out an ML about it early on, too | 20:03 |
| greghaynes | since some users might have input on things they would like | 20:03 |
| cinerama | about release goals? good idea. bnemec will likely have input there | 20:04 |
| greghaynes | yep | 20:04 |
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| greghaynes | I'm a bit sad I havent gotten any responses on the dib / tripleo split | 20:04 |
| greghaynes | even no responses | 20:04 |
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| cinerama | greghaynes: yes i haven't seen anything either. did you send that out on friday? northern hemisphere summer seems to mean more folks gone | 20:05 |
| greghaynes | anyhow, want me to take on any of those? | 20:05 |
| greghaynes | Yea, I sent it late on thurs | 20:05 |
| bnemec | I suspect the apathy toward dib from tripleo is answer enough. | 20:05 |
| greghaynes | bnemec: that'd be awesome | 20:05 |
| bnemec | Although since tripleo would have to sign off on it that's a bit of a catch 22. :-) | 20:05 |
| greghaynes | as long as its not 'man thats a horrible idea' | 20:05 |
| cinerama | greghaynes: if you take the release mail i'll handle the other couple of things | 20:06 |
| greghaynes | bnemec: hah, yea, I pinged stevenh about it and got a 'send out the ML' | 20:06 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: ok | 20:06 |
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| bnemec | TBH we don't have the same kind of dib dependency we used to. It's mostly being used to install some packages on the overcloud images these days. | 20:06 |
| cinerama | greghaynes: we wanted to meet biweekly right? the meeting entry got landed so i need to fix that. that should give us some time to throw up an agenda on the wiki | 20:06 |
| bnemec | I'll try to remember to respond on the list this afternoon. | 20:07 |
| greghaynes | bnemec: Yep, thats what I've noticed, which is why it makes a lot of sense to me | 20:07 |
| greghaynes | :D | 20:07 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: yes, biweekly | 20:07 |
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| greghaynes | cinerama: just noticed that was in there as weekly today | 20:07 |
| cinerama | yeah it got landed before i could fix it. have been in the ironic side of the house much lately | 20:08 |
| greghaynes | np, I've had similar work stuff | 20:08 |
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| greghaynes | the other big thing is - we should get the initial specs patch landed (its kind of my fault it stalled out for a bit) since theres a lot of stuff depending on it now | 20:08 |
| greghaynes | I just updated it | 20:08 |
| cinerama | yes | 20:08 |
| cinerama | i also need to rereview all of andreas' changes in context, hoping to have a quiet day soon for that | 20:09 |
| greghaynes | Yep, I just got a few of them done today | 20:09 |
| greghaynes | ok, welp, until two weeks | 20:09 |
| * greghaynes will try and send that email | 20:10 | |
| cinerama | thanks for the short catch-up | 20:10 |
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| dougwig | Just boarded a plane, heading back from Alaska. | 21:56 |
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| armax | dougwig: lucky you? | 21:58 |
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| dougwig | I.e. I'm going to miss the meeting. | 22:00 |
| armax | dougwig: booo | 22:00 |
| armax | dougwig: looks like there’s no-one here anyway | 22:00 |
| armax | HenryG is not joining either | 22:00 |
| * armax hopes the other bail too? | 22:01 | |
| armax | others* | 22:01 |
| dougwig | You could talk to yourself. I'll read the transcript later. | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | i'm here | 22:01 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: damn | 22:02 |
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| armax | if we have no quorum, there cannot be fist fight | 22:02 |
| armax | well | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | cancel for today i guess? | 22:04 |
| armax | let’s wait another minute or two, otherwise we’ll cancel | 22:04 |
| dasm | armax: are you planning some kind of punishment on mid-cycle for everyone who didn't show on this meeting? | 22:04 |
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| dasm | armax: maybe it would help with being on time? ;) | 22:04 |
| armax | dasm: you gave me a great idea! | 22:04 |
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| dasm | armax: but please, don't tell anyone that i suggested this :) | 22:05 |
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| armax | dasm: of course I will | 22:06 |
| armax | :) | 22:06 |
| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 28 22:06:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:06 | |
| armax | no quorum | 22:06 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:06 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 28 22:06:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-07-28-22.06.html | 22:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-07-28-22.06.txt | 22:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-07-28-22.06.log.html | 22:06 |
| armax | shortest meeting ever | 22:06 |
| dasm | LOL | 22:06 |
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