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| JRobinson__ | Hi all, the OpenStack docs APAC meeting is set to start in about 15 minutes. | 00:15 |
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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 00:30:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:30 |
| loquacities | hi! who's here? | 00:30 |
| JRobinson__ | Morning o/ | 00:31 |
| loquacities | heya JRobinson__ | 00:31 |
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| loquacities | JRobinson__: if it's just you and me, i might take my germs back to bed :S | 00:32 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, makes sense. It's very quiet > > | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | it does appear so | 00:33 |
| rstarmer | I popped in to say hello | 00:33 |
| loquacities | oh hi rstarmer :) | 00:33 |
| rstarmer | hello all (or both :) | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | any questions or anything i can help with, since we're here? | 00:34 |
| rstarmer | nothing on my end. | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | oh hi katomo | 00:34 |
| loquacities | that makes four | 00:35 |
| katomo | hi loquacities | 00:35 |
| loquacities | we can probably call that a quorum | 00:35 |
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| JRobinson__ | katomo, rstarmer o/ | 00:35 |
| loquacities | let's burn through this real quick :) | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:35 | |
| loquacities | i don't believe we have any | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #topic Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:35 | |
| JRobinson__ | This is the first since summit | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316445/ (Docs Contributor Guide Reorganization) | 00:35 |
| JRobinson__ | There is a contributor guide spec ^ | 00:36 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: yes, but the US meeting was last week | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | that needs review | 00:36 |
| loquacities | yes, it seems good to me, and can probably be merged, i think | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, very true! I'm behind a bit. | 00:36 |
| katomo | yay | 00:36 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: you and me both ;) | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310588/ (Newton Install Guide) | 00:36 |
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| loquacities | this looks like it has broad agreement now, too | 00:36 |
| loquacities | just needs some core love | 00:36 |
| loquacities | would be nice to get that merged this week | 00:36 |
| loquacities | any questions on specs? | 00:37 |
| katomo | nothing from me | 00:37 |
| loquacities | right, moving on ... | 00:37 |
| rstarmer | nothing from me either. | 00:37 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 00:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:37 | |
| JRobinson__ | is it a pair of +2 and 1 +1 to merge? | 00:37 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: at least one +1, one +2, and one +2A | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, thanks I was getting confused | 00:38 |
| loquacities | np | 00:38 |
| loquacities | it's the same as regular reviews | 00:38 |
| loquacities | although we do expect one of the +2s to come from the speciality team lead | 00:38 |
| loquacities | if possible | 00:38 |
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| rstarmer | added a +1 for good measure. | 00:38 |
| loquacities | ok, current speciality team reports are in the link | 00:39 |
| loquacities | thanks rstarmer :) | 00:39 |
| loquacities | i only have two pieces of news here: | 00:39 |
| loquacities | #info Install Guide: meeting has been rebooted: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Documentation_Install_Team_Meeting | 00:39 |
| loquacities | #info Blair Bethwaite is now looking after the Hypervisor tuning guide | 00:39 |
| loquacities | anything else on speciality teams? | 00:39 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm aiming to restart User Guide meetings tomorrow | 00:40 |
| katomo | none at now | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | I have an agenda to update by end of today. | 00:40 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: ok, cool | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | and email notice to send out | 00:40 |
| katomo | good | 00:40 |
| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release: | 00:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to release: (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:40 | |
| loquacities | #info 140 days! | 00:40 |
| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 00:40 |
| loquacities | so the newton deliverables have their own wiki page | 00:41 |
| loquacities | please try and keep it up to date | 00:41 |
| loquacities | i'll do the same when i write the newsletter on fridays | 00:41 |
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| loquacities | anything on newton deliverables? | 00:41 |
| loquacities | ok, moving on | 00:42 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 00:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:42 | |
| loquacities | any final points? | 00:42 |
| katomo | o/ | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | none from me | 00:42 |
| loquacities | sweet! | 00:42 |
| katomo | JRobinson__: | 00:42 |
| loquacities | nice quick one | 00:42 |
| katomo | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/mitaka/user-guides-mitaka-reorg.html | 00:42 |
| rstarmer | all good :) | 00:42 |
| katomo | Remove the Python SDK source files from openstack-manuals, move the files to the api-site ? | 00:43 |
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| katomo | In my understand, this is a final step of user guides reorg/ | 00:44 |
| loquacities | oh, what needs to happen there? | 00:44 |
| JRobinson__ | katomo, I'm not sure of the status of this move with the API conversion | 00:44 |
| katomo | hm | 00:45 |
| JRobinson__ | hmm, the links are 404 and not found. | 00:45 |
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| katomo | do we need to talk with Anne? | 00:46 |
| loquacities | anne would be the best bet | 00:46 |
| loquacities | maybe drop her an email? | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm drafting one now | 00:46 |
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| katomo | so quick :) | 00:46 |
| loquacities | cool | 00:46 |
| loquacities | ok, is that everything then? | 00:46 |
| katomo | none from me | 00:47 |
| loquacities | easy, thanks for coming :) | 00:47 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 00:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 00:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 00:47:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-05-18-00.30.html | 00:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-05-18-00.30.txt | 00:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-05-18-00.30.log.html | 00:47 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 00:47 |
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| JRobinson__ | o/ thanks everyone | 00:49 |
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| therve | #startmeeting heat | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 08:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:00 |
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| therve | #topic Roll call | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
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| therve | Alright | 08:00 |
| skraynev | o/ | 08:00 |
| stevebaker | \o | 08:00 |
| ramishra | hi | 08:00 |
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| therve | tiantian ricolin | 08:01 |
| tiantian | o/ | 08:01 |
| ricolin | o/ | 08:02 |
| skraynev | therve: I can help with hosting, but would like to give a chance to other guys ;) | 08:02 |
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| elynn_ | Hi | 08:02 |
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| therve | :) | 08:02 |
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| therve | #topic Adding items to agenda | 08:03 |
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| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-05-18_0800_UTC.29 | 08:03 |
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| therve | #topic Make grenade non-voting | 08:03 |
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| therve | Okay, I added this | 08:03 |
| therve | I'm getting more and more annoyed with the grenade job | 08:04 |
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| therve | I feel that's it's the one that's failing the most | 08:04 |
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| therve | And never because of actual Heat changes AFAICT | 08:04 |
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| stevebaker | is it running non heat tests? | 08:04 |
| ramishra | yeah, most of the time it's the tempest tests | 08:04 |
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| therve | stevebaker, Yeah | 08:05 |
| therve | Also, it relies on devstack to work on 2 versions | 08:05 |
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| therve | Which is too much to ask apparently | 08:05 |
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| stevebaker | how about we start by only running the heat tempest tests | 08:05 |
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| therve | stevebaker, It wouldn't really fix the issues with devstack | 08:06 |
| stevebaker | I realise that doesn't solve devstack version issues | 08:06 |
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| ramishra | tempest smoke tests, not heat related are the normal failures | 08:06 |
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| shardy | o/ sorry I'm late | 08:06 |
| therve | Hum I guess the latest one was because of tempest though | 08:06 |
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| therve | Maybe one step would be to disable vpnaas | 08:06 |
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| therve | I've learnt that it's on maintenance mode, and it's a easy target for the failures we've had recently | 08:07 |
| ramishra | IMO, not a good idea to just abandon it, probably we need to find a way to make it stable? | 08:07 |
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| stevebaker | we could turn off every service which is not involved in the heat tempest tests | 08:08 |
| therve | ramishra, So what do you think of removing vpnaas? | 08:08 |
| ramishra | we can skip all neutron tempest tests | 08:08 |
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| skraynev | therve: I thought, that we have a plan to remove all heat non-related tests from tempest job | 08:08 |
| skraynev | potentially and for grenade job too | 08:08 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: by then tempest will be able to run tests from the heat tree | 08:09 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: so there can be way more heat tests running in grenade | 08:09 |
| skraynev | therve: I don't see an important reason to execute tests from other projects on our gates | 08:09 |
| ramishra | skraynev: its the devstack-gate running the tempest smoke tests after upgrade | 08:09 |
| therve | skraynev, That's fair | 08:09 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: yeah. it make sense for me | 08:09 |
| stevebaker | especially ones which don't depend on heat | 08:09 |
| ramishra | that normally fails | 08:09 |
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| therve | vpnaas is involved in our tests though | 08:09 |
| therve | For now | 08:10 |
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| skraynev | therve: is it difficult to disable it for our gates ? | 08:10 |
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| therve | I don't think so | 08:11 |
| therve | #addchair ricolin | 08:11 |
| skraynev | I can take a look on it, but if someone already know what need to do... | 08:11 |
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| therve | #help | 08:12 |
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| therve | Hum :) | 08:12 |
| stevebaker | hash chair | 08:12 |
| ricolin | :) | 08:12 |
| therve | #chair ricolin | 08:12 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ricolin therve | 08:12 |
| ramishra | I tried disabling neutron tests for the job https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312811/1/jenkins/jobs/heat.yaml | 08:12 |
| ramishra | but it seems project-config changes does not work with Depends-On. | 08:13 |
| therve | ramishra, Should we do that all the time ? | 08:13 |
| therve | Yeah it doesn't | 08:13 |
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| therve | Anyway have to, sorry | 08:13 |
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| ricolin | I will take over then:) | 08:14 |
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| ricolin | need more discuss on this topic? | 08:16 |
| ramishra | AFAIK, there is no way to disable a specific test | 08:16 |
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| ramishra | so out best option is to disable neutron tests if we want rather than making the job non-voting | 08:16 |
| stevebaker | there must be, we'll be using it extensively when tempest runs our in tree tests | 08:16 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: you mean disabling specific test in devstack-gate? | 08:17 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: I mean specifying which tests tempest should run | 08:18 |
| skraynev | +1 for stevebaker's suggestion | 08:19 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: job specific? I don't know how to do it. | 08:19 |
| ricolin | Is it make sense to seperate into two gate? Heat tempest gate (voting) and other(non-voting)? | 08:19 |
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| stevebaker | why have the other at all? | 08:20 |
| skraynev | ricolin: more jobs more time for execution ;) | 08:20 |
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| stevebaker | ramishra: there must be something in the project config for that job which allows specifying what tests to run | 08:21 |
| ricolin | Then we can really choose just run HEAT tempest, like stevebaler suggest | 08:21 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: I see, that in project-config we have such line | 08:23 |
| skraynev | export DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX="orchestration" | 08:23 |
| skraynev | for apache job... | 08:24 |
| skraynev | may be we may do the same for other? | 08:24 |
| skraynev | ramishra: hm.. and it really uses only heat related tests http://logs.openstack.org/97/317597/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-heat-apache/7a15650/console.html | 08:25 |
| stevebaker | bingo | 08:26 |
| skraynev | let's use it for grenade | 08:26 |
| ricolin | :) | 08:26 |
| stevebaker | and it should be possible to set OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES to a much smaller list of services | 08:26 |
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| ricolin | #topic Spec-lite review: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1582837 | 08:27 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1582837 in heat "Add resource IDs as an attribute on ResourceGroup" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Jay Dobies (jdob) | 08:27 |
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| ricolin | What about this one? | 08:28 |
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| shardy | Don't we already have a refs attribute that does this? | 08:29 |
| * shardy looks at the bug | 08:29 | |
| stevebaker | shardy: the description says the refs attribute is a list not a map | 08:29 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: shouldn't we just make SoftwareDeploymentGroup work with a list? | 08:30 |
| shardy | then it'll also work with ASG IIRC | 08:30 |
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| stevebaker | there is a reason it needs maps - I think they key is used as the resource name inside the group | 08:31 |
| shardy | stevebaker: We could have it also accept a list, e.g via a different property, and just increment using the index as the resource name? | 08:31 |
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| shardy | that would also make it much easier if you want to join multiple groups of servers into one big SoftwareDeploymentGroup for "allnodes" type actions | 08:32 |
| shardy | vs map_merging a bunch of conflicting keys | 08:32 |
| stevebaker | shardy: we would end up with deployment group members having different indexes/names to their corresponding resource group members - that would be hella confusing | 08:32 |
| stevebaker | shardy: having a name->name mapping makes the association more obvious | 08:33 |
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| shardy | Hmm, maybe | 08:33 |
| shardy | then we need to make repeat capable of generating a map I guess | 08:33 |
| shardy | so we can generate a merged map for multiple ResourceGroups | 08:33 |
| shardy | {Controller0: <id>, Compute0: <id>} etc | 08:33 |
| shardy | +1 for jdob's spec-lite then I guess | 08:36 |
| shardy | with a request for enabling map_merge/repeat to join the resulting maps for multiple resource groups | 08:36 |
| stevebaker | he may need to explore the consequences a bit more | 08:36 |
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| shardy | If we do this, we should add the same attribute to ASG I think | 08:37 |
| stevebaker | shardy: +1 | 08:37 |
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| stevebaker | shall we move on to general biz? | 08:43 |
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| ricolin | #topic Open discussion | 08:43 |
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| ricolin | d | 08:43 |
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| ricolin | sorry for that, not aware that I'm off line | 08:44 |
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| ricolin | Could someone review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261929/ | 08:45 |
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| KanagarajM | stevebaker, nova_instance -> physcail_resource_id, splitted into two https://review.openstack.org/110557 after your comment. kindly have a look. | 08:45 |
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| stevebaker | I've started a couple of performance improvement series 1. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bug/1578851 | 08:46 |
| stevebaker | 2. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bug/1578854 | 08:46 |
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| stevebaker | KanagarajM: ok, thanks | 08:46 |
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| KanagarajM | stevebaker, for other one schema change, we need to decide on. | 08:48 |
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| shardy_ | I had a question re heatclient and event --follow on-failure behavior | 08:48 |
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| shardy_ | I added https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315476/ recently which includes the deployment ID in the event reason | 08:48 |
| shardy_ | I'm wondering if adding an option to show the resource associated with a failed resource/event when in --follow mode would be a generally useful thing | 08:49 |
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| shardy_ | my main requirement is doing a deployment-show when a deployment resource fails, but we could extend it to be more general | 08:49 |
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| stevebaker | ricolin: there may be some standard exponential backoff logic you can re-use in that change | 08:50 |
| shardy_ | stevebaker: I know you started looking at this, does it make sense to revive your work, and/or add this to heatclient? | 08:50 |
| ramishra | Would appreciate some reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294023/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316627/ | 08:50 |
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| stevebaker | shardy_: yes, once the failures command exists by itself it would be good to have an event list option to print the same failure format on a resource failure | 08:51 |
| ricolin | stevebaker: Sure, althrough during summit, some discussion point to that we can ignore for Exponential backoff | 08:52 |
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| shardy_ | stevebaker: Ok, cool - basically I want it to dump the stderr out every time we have a deployment FAILED | 08:52 |
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| stevebaker | shardy_: my original aim was for tripleoclient to just run the failures command on stack failure | 08:52 |
| shardy_ | stevebaker: yeah, we can do that, I was just thinking it's a more generally useful thing | 08:52 |
| stevebaker | shardy_: this does that already in its own command https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271114/ | 08:52 |
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| stevebaker | oh, wait, wrong client | 08:53 |
| stevebaker | shardy_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280963/ | 08:53 |
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| shardy_ | stevebaker: thanks, will check it out - OK if I rebase it so I can test? | 08:54 |
| stevebaker | sure thing | 08:54 |
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| skraynev | guys, regarding decision on summit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316617/ | 08:55 |
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| skraynev | make rally job periodical | 08:55 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: how do we see the results of a periodic job? | 08:55 |
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| ricolin | using a heat patch to point to a gate job patch(add rally)? | 08:57 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: umm.. I forgot to find this info | 08:58 |
| skraynev | wait a sec | 08:58 |
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| skraynev | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/ | 08:59 |
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| skraynev | #link http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/ | 08:59 |
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| stevebaker | oo, shiny | 08:59 |
| skraynev | looks like this link should work ^ | 08:59 |
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| stevebaker | times up | 09:00 |
| ricolin | time's up | 09:00 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 09:00:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-18-08.00.html | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-18-08.00.txt | 09:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-18-08.00.log.html | 09:00 |
| ricolin | back to heat:) | 09:01 |
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| Ronghui | hello | 12:57 |
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| joehuang | hi | 12:59 |
| Ronghui | hi | 13:00 |
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| Yipei | hi, my connection is not stable | 13:01 |
| joehuang | let's start the tricircle meeting | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 13:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | hello, Zhiyuan is attending the OSCON in Austin, USA | 13:01 |
| joehuang | so he will not attend the meeting | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | and he will have a joint session with google engineer to talk about tricircle and ubernets(Kubernets cluster federation) in OSCON | 13:03 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:03 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:03 |
| Ronghui | #info Ronghui | 13:03 |
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| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #topic cross pod L2 networking and dynamic pod binding | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cross pod L2 networking and dynamic pod binding (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:04 | |
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| joehuang | we have several round review of these specifications | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | do you have any questions in implementation and comments | 13:05 |
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| Yipei | i submit a patch to add resource_affinity_tag | 13:07 |
| Yipei | but encounter following errors | 13:07 |
| Yipei | It is likely that your change has a merge conflict. You may resolve it in the working tree now as described above and then run 'git review' again, or if you do not want to resolve it yet (note that the change can not merge until the conflict is resolved) you may run 'git rebase --abort' then 'git review -R' to upload the change without rebasing. | 13:07 |
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| Ronghui | wait for a moment qiongqiu's network is not stable | 13:08 |
| joehuang | because your base has been changed | 13:08 |
| joehuang | you have to do the code rebase | 13:08 |
| joehuang | and you'd better to have your own branch, but not directly modified in the master branch | 13:09 |
| Yipei | yes, i create a new branch | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | you can try 'git rebase --abort' | 13:11 |
| joehuang | before you run this command | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | please backup your modification | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | then git clone the latest code | 13:11 |
| joehuang | and create your own branch and switch to this branch | 13:12 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:12 |
| joehuang | then edit your code, and test it | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | after everything is ok, including pep8, py27 test... | 13:12 |
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| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:13 |
| joehuang | then git add/commit/review | 13:13 |
| Yipei | i execute git commit -a -amend | 13:13 |
| Yipei | then git review | 13:13 |
| joehuang | no, for the first time, don't use -amend | 13:14 |
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| Yipei | ok | 13:15 |
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| lxq | hi. Sorry for late | 13:16 |
| joehuang | you are welcome | 13:17 |
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| Yipei | i think i still need to do some research on measurement | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | measurement is not the key | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | the key is the framework | 13:20 |
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| lxq | is dynamic pod bingding visible to end user? | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | no | 13:22 |
| joehuang | it's not visible to end user | 13:23 |
| joehuang | only admin can query the binding information | 13:23 |
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| lxq | you mean it is just suppled to admin? | 13:23 |
| lxq | ok, i understand | 13:23 |
| joehuang | any doubts on L2 networking? | 13:24 |
| Ronghui | L2 networking is so complex ~ | 13:24 |
| Ronghui | that is our feeling | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | yes, it's a little complex | 13:25 |
| joehuang | what's the concrete issues for you | 13:26 |
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| Ronghui | first should we have to change the network model of pod for text different use case | 13:27 |
| joehuang | it's configuration to use vlan or vxlan, of course if vlan is used, you have to make the provider network support this | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | there are lots of bugs reported recently | 13:30 |
| joehuang | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | would you like to fix some of them | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | through the bug fix, and try to run tricircle, you will become family with the code | 13:32 |
| lxq | ok,i will try it | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | sorry, familar | 13:32 |
| Yipei | ok | 13:33 |
| joehuang | good to see the new patches from you | 13:34 |
| joehuang | so any other topics? | 13:36 |
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| Ronghui | i have a question | 13:36 |
| joehuang | please | 13:36 |
| Ronghui | about the dynamic pod bingding | 13:36 |
| joehuang | and Yipei, please register a blueprint in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tricircle for dynamic pod binding | 13:37 |
| Ronghui | when the dynamic pod bingding happend , whether it is effect on VMs? | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | and link the bp in the spec commit message, just like that in cross pod L2 networking | 13:38 |
| joehuang | just for later new provisioned VMs/Volumes | 13:38 |
| joehuang | #action register a blueprint in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tricircle for dynamic pod binding | 13:38 |
| Yipei | ok | 13:38 |
| joehuang | #action link the bp in the spec commit message and spec, just like that in cross pod L2 networking | 13:39 |
| joehuang | more questions, ronghui? | 13:39 |
| Ronghui | A situation occurred | 13:39 |
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| Ronghui | that at the same PM | 13:39 |
| Ronghui | the VM will in different pod ? | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | what's PM, you mean baremetal machine? or physical server? | 13:40 |
| Ronghui | physical server | 13:41 |
| joehuang | no physical server only belongs to one bottom pod | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | no, physical server only belongs to one bottom pod | 13:41 |
| Ronghui | before dynamic pod bingding the PM will in pod1 bingding on AZ1 | 13:41 |
| Ronghui | but bottom pod not only belongs to one AZ | 13:42 |
| Ronghui | right? | 13:42 |
| Yipei | @joe, there already exists a blueprint of dynamic-pod-binding | 13:42 |
| joehuang | no, one pod only inside one AZ | 13:42 |
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| Ronghui | i mean that bottom pod not just belongs to one AZ | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | ok, please add link in the spec | 13:43 |
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| Yipei | ok | 13:43 |
| joehuang | and commit message | 13:43 |
| Ronghui | it just belongs to one AZ but the bingding will change the belong to | 13:43 |
| joehuang | one bottom pod just belongs to one AZ | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | no, the binding is about the relationship of tenant and pod | 13:44 |
| Yipei | i am not allowed to edit the spec url | 13:44 |
| Ronghui | when dynamic pod bingding happened it also not change? | 13:44 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, you need to change the asignee | 13:45 |
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| joehuang | yes | 13:45 |
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| joehuang | to Ronghui, yes | 13:45 |
| Ronghui | AZ>>>>>pod>>>>tenent the change happened in pod>>>>>tenent? | 13:46 |
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| joehuang | a tenant can be bound to different pod in different AZ | 13:47 |
| joehuang | you can read the google doc blueprint for the relationship of these concepts | 13:47 |
| Ronghui | ok i know | 13:47 |
| Ronghui | i confuse the migration and bound.. | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's end the meeting | 13:48 |
| Ronghui | ok | 13:48 |
| Yipei | how to change the assignee | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | have you log on to the site, if yes, you should be able to add yourself as the asignee | 13:49 |
| Yipei | yes i have logged on the site | 13:49 |
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| joehuang | I have asigned the bp to you | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | ok, see you | 13:51 |
| Yipei | i works | 13:51 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 13:51:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-18-13.01.html | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-18-13.01.txt | 13:51 |
| Ronghui | see you | 13:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-18-13.01.log.html | 13:51 |
| Yipei | see you | 13:51 |
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| SotK | anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 15:01 |
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| Zara | hi | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| anteaya | I can be here | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 15:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| shamail | hi everyone | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
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| Zara | hi shamail! :D | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 15:01 |
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| shamail | o/ Zara & anteaya! | 15:02 |
| SotK | hi shamail :) | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hey shamail | 15:02 |
| shamail | Hi SotK | 15:02 |
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| SotK | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| SotK | We almost have a dev server set up! | 15:02 |
| anteaya | yay! | 15:03 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:03 |
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| SotK | I don't think we have any urgent items at the moment, so on to in progress work | 15:03 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:03 |
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| SotK | We discussed complex priorities at length after the meeting last week | 15:03 |
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| Zara | SotK is finding the logs now | 15:04 |
| SotK | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23storyboard/%23storyboard.2016-05-11.log.html#t2016-05-11T16:00:31 | 15:04 |
| Zara | :D | 15:04 |
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| SotK | I've not actually got round to doing any more work on it since then | 15:04 |
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| Zara | I think it'd be good if those who want the feature could give more input on the kind of information they'd like to have available at a glance vs after asking for it specifically | 15:05 |
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| Zara | so anyone interested in visualisation of complex priorities, it's a good time to give thoughts on that over the next few weeks | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 15:06 |
| shamail | What is the best format for sharing? | 15:06 |
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| Zara | discussion in #storyboard, to begin with | 15:06 |
| shamail | mailing list or IRC meeting? | 15:06 |
| shamail | Thanks | 15:06 |
| anteaya | yeah discussing in the channel I think would be fine | 15:07 |
| Zara | np :) | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | I don't think you need to wait for a meeting | 15:07 |
| SotK | I agree | 15:07 |
| Zara | yeah, the project channel is logged | 15:07 |
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| Zara | so things won't be lost | 15:07 |
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| Zara | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23storyboard/ | 15:07 |
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| shamail | Great | 15:07 |
| SotK | I've started looking at Teams, now that the first pass of private stories is merged | 15:08 |
| Zara | :D | 15:08 |
| SotK | so far I've determined that the GET part of the teams API works | 15:08 |
| anteaya | yay private stories is merged | 15:09 |
| anteaya | \o/ | 15:09 |
| Zara | nice | 15:09 |
| anteaya | SotK: awesome | 15:09 |
| Zara | so that just leaves PUT, POST and DELETE? | 15:09 |
| SotK | yeah | 15:09 |
| SotK | I'm assuming they work too, we will find out soon | 15:09 |
| anteaya | SotK: have you had a chance to test the others yet? | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | SotK: ah cool | 15:09 |
| anteaya | hopefully we will have the dev server up soon | 15:10 |
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| Zara | cool, thanks for looking into this | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | Zara: did you want to say anything about the gerrity bits? | 15:10 |
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| Zara | I started trying to make some operator docs, for quickly spinning up a storyboard instance | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | yay docs | 15:10 |
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| Zara | tried with ansible, failed, tried with puppet, failed, journey so far recorded here: | 15:11 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000535 | 15:11 |
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| Zara | the puppet errors are similar to the things fungi's finding with trying to set up a dev instance | 15:11 |
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| Zara | so hopefully as that gets untangled I might be able to revisit it | 15:11 |
| Zara | (I have 0 puppet :)) | 15:11 |
| shamail | Nice | 15:11 |
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| fungi | i have 0.5 puppet | 15:11 |
| Zara | SOUNDS GREAT TO ME | 15:12 |
| Zara | :D | 15:12 |
| anteaya | Zara: nice work on the investigation | 15:12 |
| anteaya | Zara: and I agree it will be nice once docs are in place for folks to spin up their own instance | 15:12 |
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| Zara | yeah, at the moment they can do it using the developer docs, but it's quite longwinded | 15:12 |
| * SotK agrees | 15:12 | |
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| Zara | #info Zara tried and failed to make some quickstart operator docs, will come back to it pending puppet progress | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | failed with notes | 15:14 |
| Zara | yes :) | 15:15 |
| Zara | so in the meantime, I've started looking at integrating StoryBoard with gerrit again | 15:15 |
| anteaya | yay storyboard and gerrit | 15:15 |
| Zara | mainly just remembering what my old proof of concept did | 15:15 |
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| * SotK seconds the yays | 15:15 | |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302912/ | 15:15 |
| Zara | so that still needs to do a few things to work as a proof of concept, even before it can be scaled up | 15:16 |
| anteaya | we did talk about this bit at the mid-cycle | 15:16 |
| Zara | yup | 15:16 |
| SotK | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/?#!/story/2000584 details how we think gerrit commit messages should work | 15:16 |
| anteaya | we even drew things on a whiteboard | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | fungi: we identified that using task/id is a better way forward than story id | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | fungi: this will include a commit message syntax change | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | but it makes more sense as the task is the thing that is tracked and has status updated as well as an assignee | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | so it made sense to us that the task/id is the thing that starts being used for linking the bits together | 15:18 |
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| fungi | anteaya: sure. we'll likely still stick with the term "bug" from a commit perspective | 15:18 |
| anteaya | yup, that can work | 15:19 |
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| fungi | but i agree that being able to close out independent tasks in a story for the same project with different commits is an improvement over lp | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | but right now we use: Story: <story_id> in the commit message | 15:19 |
| fungi | that was a transitional thing while we're still also using lp | 15:19 |
| anteaya | but that would be very hard to map back to something with a status change in storyboard | 15:19 |
| anteaya | ah, I missed that point then | 15:19 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | so glad we are not stuck on that | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | so use the bug syntax but use the task/id from storyboard instead of the launchpad-id for the bug | 15:20 |
| Zara | would we want an interim story-task: <task_id> ? or just jump straight to only using storyboard task ids? | 15:20 |
| fungi | the plan has always been to switch to having Closes-Bug et al refer to storyboard (stories? tasks? whatever) once we switch completely | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | fungi: ah great, that makes it easy | 15:21 |
| SotK | that makes sense to me | 15:21 |
| anteaya | fungi: was that part of a spec anywhere that I might reference? | 15:21 |
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| fungi | the main hiccup there will be that our import associates existing lp bug numbers with storyboard story ids, so links for existing bug references might get weird | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | ah | 15:21 |
| fungi | anteaya: i don't think so... did teh spec mention using "story" as a header in commit messages at all? | 15:22 |
| anteaya | so the migration testing will need to look out for this case and create some form of way to address it | 15:22 |
| fungi | i wonder if there's a way to disambiguate story ids from task ids | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | fungi: I don't know, I will look it up, but you saying so in the meeting log is good enough as an artifact for my purposes, thank you | 15:23 |
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| SotK | I don't think there is a way to do that at the moment | 15:23 |
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| SotK | they're both just numbers and have the potential to overlap | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | okay so right now story ids and task ids can overlap | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | in the db schema there is a table for stories and a separate table for tasks | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | and each table just has a column called id | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | and it sounds like the ids can be anything | 15:25 |
| anteaya | in terms of how many digits they use | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | fungi: storyboard currently has 5 open specs and I searched for the word commit in them and came up empty in all 5 | 15:28 |
| anteaya | fungi: so going with there is no spec that talks about commit message syntax | 15:28 |
| SotK | yeah, I'm not sure we have a spec about gerrit integration anywhere | 15:28 |
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| SotK | betherly isn't around this week, and I don't know how far she's got with things, so I guess we'll move onto discussion | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | sounds good | 15:32 |
| SotK | #topic Product WG/Cross-Project Dashboard (shamail) | 15:32 |
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| shamail | Thanks for this opportunity | 15:32 |
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| shamail | For reference, I want to share the link to the PWG dashboard again: http://104.239.130.200:9000/ | 15:32 |
| shamail | We had a meeting last week to discuss evaluating the various platforms available (or scheduled to be available) in the community which includes Storyboard and Phabricator. | 15:32 |
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| shamail | We decided that a good starting point would be to share our scope/objective and then determine if everyone thinks it aligns with the scope/objective for storyboard as a next step. | 15:33 |
| shamail | The dashboard that we prototyped is a read-only page that simply helps us visualize a relationship between artifacts, in the existing dev workflow, that are independent. | 15:33 |
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| fungi | (btw, changes 318174 and 318180 should _hopefully_ fix the current dev server snakeoil cert puppeting) | 15:34 |
| shamail | We don’t intend to enter any new data (even comments) on that page. Given that objective… do we still feel that there might be potential to add this work to storyboard? | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 15:34 |
| shamail | What are your thoughts? | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | shamail: thanks for taking the time to evaluate the options | 15:35 |
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| shamail | np anteaya, FWIW I will be starting a discussion with infra on where should the dashboard live once we ensure we have determined whether it needs its own home | 15:36 |
| anteaya | shamail: sure thank you, I think that is a good conversation to have | 15:36 |
| shamail | I was worried about whether our objective/scope was clearly provided at the summit | 15:36 |
| anteaya | shamail: well Zara is trying to compose a question about that | 15:36 |
| Zara | shamail: does the PWG have a summary of what it wants to achieve with the dashboard anywhere? it'd be handy to see why people want this information to be non-interactive, etc... | 15:36 |
| shamail | The name needs to change since it is very confusing (it includes both story and tracker in the name, lol.. it is neither) | 15:37 |
| anteaya | shamail: she is sitting beside me at the storyboard mid-cycle | 15:37 |
| anteaya | shamail: ah naming the bits, so much fun | 15:37 |
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| * fungi is happy to have the "where and when" discussion on hosting that dashboard at your convenience, if it turns out to be a separate implementation. can just be an ad hoc discussion in #openstack-infra | 15:38 | |
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| shamail | Sounds good fungi… | 15:38 |
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| shamail | The wiki doesn’t contain much | 15:38 |
| shamail | So here is what I found: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/doc/source/tracker_overview.rst | 15:38 |
| shamail | This gives an overview of the artifacts we are trying to build the contextual relationship for | 15:39 |
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| shamail | I will take an action item to summarize our requirements and percieved benefits from having a non-interactive view | 15:39 |
| anteaya | shamail: here is where we are having difficulty, we don't understand the story of the dashboard | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | so we can see the artifacts you selected, but so far are a bit thin on the rational for why those were the artifacts selected | 15:40 |
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| shamail | One of our goals was to not add any additional burden in the development workflow so if we could keep using existing artifacts (rather than create new ones) we felt it would reduce the net burden of our workflow | 15:40 |
| anteaya | shamail: if that makes sense | 15:40 |
| shamail | anteaya: It totally does | 15:40 |
| anteaya | shamail: oh good, thank you | 15:40 |
| shamail | I think we have shared what it does but not why we want it | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | yeah, don't worry about creating additional burden | 15:41 |
| sparkycollier | so if I understand correctly the purpose is to get the product working group an easy way at a glance to track progress on development work that's deemed of high interest to the group? | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | focus on what you want from the tool | 15:41 |
| shamail | The main purpose for the dashboard in the PWG is that we will be working on items that might include multiple cross project specs and specs/bps across multiple projects | 15:41 |
| anteaya | sparkycollier: that seems to be my understand so far, yes | 15:41 |
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| shamail | We needed a way to “at a glance” see the status of all the related artifacts for a given user story and the last date of activity so we can ask for more help if progress stalls | 15:42 |
| anteaya | sparkycollier: trying to understand a bit of the backstory of why these are the artifacts selected to get a bigger picture on their workflow | 15:42 |
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| shamail | sparkycollier: +1, that is the main purpose | 15:42 |
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| Zara | thanks for the link to the repo :) I guess one thing I'm wondering about is how the important fields were decided. eg: there's a description of fields used in the tracker, but I'd be intersted to see the place where those fields were decided upon as the ones to use | 15:43 |
| sparkycollier | sounds like a useful thing :) | 15:43 |
| Zara | because I think that'd give a lot of context on people's needs | 15:43 |
| Zara | *interested | 15:43 |
| Zara | and that way, we can identify where things overlap with storyboard | 15:43 |
| shamail | anteaya: The reason these artifacts are represented is because they are all a part of the existing development workflow | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | sparkycollier: yes, I think there is agreement this is useful, I think the storyboard folks are trying to get the bits they need to be able to provide what suits the needs of the group | 15:44 |
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| fungi | this sounds similar to ttx's idea of an "epic" as an aggregation of multiple stories in storyboard | 15:44 |
| shamail | Zara: Can you clarify a bit on the request? Do you want to know why we included cross project specs, blueprints, etc. or why we chose certain names for the fields? | 15:44 |
| * SotK suspects our vague not-yet-existing concept of epics maps approximately to these cross-project user stories | 15:44 | |
| SotK | heh, fungi beat me | 15:44 |
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| shamail | fungi: That is a good way to look at it… the user stories that PWG generates are epics… We have been writing them and saving them in our repository for about a year. | 15:45 |
| sparkycollier | thanks anteaya I'm a little late to the party | 15:45 |
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| Zara | shamail: it's more general than that, as a first step I'd like to find the place where I can see the PWG choosing the relevant fields. then I can ask questions about the discussions there once I've caught up. | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | sparkycollier: I saw you join, was trying to catch you up without being obvious, glad you could make it :) | 15:45 |
| Zara | otherwise we'll end up asking questions people have already answered :) | 15:45 |
| shamail | I think there are two points of intersection between PWG and storyboard… one is the topic we are discussing: the dashboard but the other might be where are actual user stories reside long-term | 15:46 |
| SotK | shamail: I expect our eventual implementation of epics would fit the usecase your dashboard solves pretty nicely (though I'd like them to not be readd-only) | 15:46 |
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| fungi | given that blueprints are more or less superseded by specs now which projects are treating as just more git repos with commits, you could for example have a story which has spec tasks and then additional stories which cover different major implementation aspects, and track their progress and related code review changes as a roll-up into the epic structure | 15:46 |
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| SotK | fungi: that is how I picture things working without blueprints too | 15:46 |
| fungi | the lightweight shim we get from blueprints in launchpad today are easily already covered by just having a "story" in storyboard associated with the spec | 15:47 |
| shamail | What are the plans around implementing epics? Is that something planend to be worked on this cycle? | 15:47 |
| fungi | the workflow infra's used so far for its specs actually just sticks with a single story, since tasks in storyboard can be more diverse and granular than lp's bugtasks, but i can see possibly tracking multiple related specs in an epic that way too | 15:48 |
| shamail | The relationship that we would prefer is that an epic could be attached to multiple cross project specs (or directly to project level specs) and then we could associate project-level specs with cross-project specs | 15:48 |
| SotK | we don't have any plans for when to work on epics yet afaik | 15:48 |
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| Zara | shamail: the dashboard source review comments might be helpful to us, if there's a link | 15:49 |
| shamail | Let me find it | 15:49 |
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| fungi | though it sounds like some of the question is would developer involvement be turned away if they showed up willing to write the epic implementation | 15:49 |
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| SotK | people willing to do the work are welcome, but I think it should be designed first | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | I think having a design session for epics, either at a mid-cycle or summit would be in order | 15:51 |
| SotK | +1 | 15:51 |
| fungi | agreed, the design work would need to be written up and reviewed by the current sb devs and any other interested parties | 15:51 |
| shamail | I will have to find the git repo and share it with you later, I know it’s at https://github.com/OpenStackweb but I can’t find the exact location atm | 15:51 |
| anteaya | this mid-cycle we have been focused on items that would put is in line with dev/tc needs | 15:51 |
| fungi | wouldn't need to be an inp-erson design session | 15:51 |
| fungi | i don't think | 15:51 |
| anteaya | like private stories, teams and gerrit integration | 15:51 |
| Zara | +2 more contributors always welcome (especially on the js side!) | 15:51 |
| anteaya | fungi: okay, but designed | 15:52 |
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| SotK | I'd be delighted with someone providing a spec for me to review about epics | 15:52 |
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| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 15:52 |
| anteaya | we mentioned epics at this mid-cycle but had a lot of other task with priority | 15:52 |
| fungi | also the other important part of that dashboard seems to be progress tracking. so probably some model for how you figure out what progress on a task/story/epic is (just divide by the number of identified tasks and increment as each task reaches a closed state?) | 15:52 |
| shamail | Here is a wiki page with our workflow and overview of the different activities related to user story implementation | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | shamail: so we agree that this is not the source code, yes? | 15:53 |
| SotK | fungi: I would imagine so, although I have doubts over how "real" those percentages will be | 15:53 |
| shamail | We are using user stories which have mandatory fields (such as user story, usage scenario, justification, etc.) and then we are leveraging (after agreement) to help find developers and implement using standard development workflow in the community | 15:53 |
| Zara | SotK: right, tasks can vary in complexity | 15:54 |
| shamail | yes | 15:54 |
| anteaya | shamail: okay thanks | 15:54 |
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| fungi | SotK: yeah, i think if something like that wasn't positioned as a "percentage" but just tracked number of tasks done/remaining or something, it could be a suitable compromise | 15:54 |
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| fungi | trying to map actual estimated effort per task onto a timeline gets into all sorts of nasty business logic we'd be better off avoiding | 15:55 |
| persia | I would prefer task counts for open, in review, and closed, as three numbers. | 15:55 |
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| fungi | persia: makes sense. the bar chart is likely what makes it seem like a linear thing | 15:55 |
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| fungi | which definitely gets misleading | 15:56 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes number of tasks done of total is already in line with functionality they completed for persia to be able to see priorities of tasks in subscribed work lists | 15:56 |
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| shamail | Count is fine (versus %), the main goal there is to see how many items are associated with a given user story and the date of last activity (to be able to quickly gauge if a few specs are blocking the overall user story) | 15:56 |
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| fungi | anteaya: persia: oh, excellent! | 15:57 |
| Zara | it'd be good to fix our 'updated' field to give something relevant | 15:57 |
| shamail | The challenge is that we are already in-flight with user stories | 15:57 |
| shamail | and need a way to track them relatively soon | 15:57 |
| Zara | so improving the 'updated' field is a concrete thing a new contributor could help with | 15:57 |
| betherly | hi! update on stuff is that I'm almost ready to push outline of tutorial. sorry didn't come into meeting earlier! shifted my hours and called it a day early today to get ready for holidays | 15:57 |
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| Zara | betherly: np, I thought you were on holiday already! :D | 15:58 |
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| shamail | Does it make sense for us to share how we came up with the fields, work on determining a path to epics, but host this prototype somewhere inside infra in the interim to have a tool immediately? | 15:58 |
| Zara | betherly: but brilliant! | 15:58 |
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| shamail | Which could be decommissioned once epics are closer | 15:58 |
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| anteaya | shamail: well currently storyboard is actively developed by two developers full time with some additional help from other folks | 15:58 |
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| fungi | shamail: if teh longer term goal is to help get similar functionality into storyboard (e.g. by piggybacking on what the epic concept would provide) then using hosting/using that poc you have in the short term seems perfectly fine to me | 15:58 |
| betherly | Zara: nope leave tomorrow but shifted hours so I had time to pack lol :) | 15:58 |
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| anteaya | shamail: we can understand deadlines but thus far priorities have been for tasks that will put storyboard in line with developer expectations to be selected as the task tracking tool by the tc | 15:59 |
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| shamail | anteaya: Totally understand. That is why I suggested hosting the prototype somewhere until epics can be designed and then started. | 15:59 |
| SotK | almost out of time folks | 15:59 |
| Zara | betherly: really glad the outline's nearly ready, anyway :) | 15:59 |
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| * SotK agrees with fungi in general | 16:00 | |
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| shamail | We have a current need for a solutin as well :( | 16:00 |
| anteaya | shamail: yes, the openstack community as a whole has had a need for about a year | 16:00 |
| anteaya | shamail: so I totally understand the position | 16:00 |
| SotK | our time is up, lets continue in #storyboard if so desired :) | 16:00 |
| * smcginnis taps foot :D | 16:00 | |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 16:00:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-05-18-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-05-18-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-05-18-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| SotK | sorry smcginnis :) | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | SotK: Hah, no worries. :) | 16:01 |
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| geguileo | lol | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 16:01:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
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| diablo_rojo1 | hello | 16:01 |
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| jgregor | Hello! | 16:01 |
| kmartin | hi | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir | 16:01 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:01 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| adrianofr | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting Agenda | 16:01 |
| baumann | Hello! | 16:01 |
| hemna | mep | 16:01 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:01 |
| Swanson | jungleboyj, they finally found out about the kickbacks? | 16:01 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:01 |
| kfarr | hello! | 16:01 |
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| scottda | hey | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Swanson: ;-) | 16:02 |
| xingyang | hi | 16:02 |
| karthikp | Hi | 16:02 |
| fernnest | hi | 16:02 |
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| Yogi1 | hi | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Just want to point out we are two weeks out from the N-1 milestone. | 16:02 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | No extra deadlines for Cinder for that, but it is a good checkpoint. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Definitely any new drivers should be submitting code by then, hopefully. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Also, good progress on reviewing specs. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Those seem to be moving along a little smoother than last cycle at this point. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | It would be great if we can stick to our spec freeze at N-2, but I know that's not always possible. | 16:04 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Check 'thin_provisioning_support' in extra specs | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | No name, but I believe that was you xyang1 ? | 16:04 |
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| xingyang | hi | 16:04 |
| xingyang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315352/ | 16:04 |
| xingyang | Some backends can do thin and thick in the same pool. The existing scheduler logic is pro thin. It does not work well for thick. | 16:05 |
| xingyang | If a driver reports thin_provisioning_support=True, it uses the thin logic. This could potentially lead to over provisioning if the user is creating a thick volume. | 16:05 |
| xingyang | So the patch proposes to check extra specs to decide whether to use thin or thick logic. | 16:05 |
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| hemna | our driver can do both thin and thick in the same pool | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Since thin would be the default, would it be better to have the spec call out thick? | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Ours as well. | 16:06 |
| xingyang | hemna: ours too | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | Can we not make this so hard | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Well, technically everything is thin, but we can preallocate to make it "thick". | 16:06 |
| eharney | is this patch ensuring that the driver actually does this, or just that the scheduler is using this for calculation of free space? | 16:06 |
| xingyang | jgriffith: suggestion? | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | Just do one or the other | 16:06 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, technically we just do thin. | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | or make up some fancy calculations in your driver | 16:07 |
| xingyang | jgriffith: currently we allow both, but the scheduler does not work right | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | xingyang: Yeah, I get it | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | I'm saying just have thin-pools and thick-pools | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Only problem I have with that is I have one pool. | 16:07 |
| hemna | so....fail on create in the driver ? | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | just because a backend can do something doesn't mean Cinder shojld care about it | 16:08 |
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| eharney | or that we should provide it to a user for them to care about it | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: so the admin picks :) | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | one or the other | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Not having to have pools and letting the space be shared across two types is rather nicer, I'd have thought | 16:08 |
| xingyang | jgriffith: we currently allow that | 16:08 |
| xingyang | jgriffith: now we suddently make it a restriction? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Since I am only thin provisioned, the only way I can provide thick provisioning is for it to be explicitly requested. | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | xingyang: yes, that's my point | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Not sure if it is nice enough to make the code complex though | 16:09 |
| hemna | :( | 16:09 |
| eharney | the code in this area already needs some work | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | But I suppose we can just say we can't provide thick. Or provide out own extra spec. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 for extra-spec | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | just create thin and thick types | 16:10 |
| xingyang | jgriffith: but that will be removing the functionality? | 16:10 |
| hemna | ours is driven by extra specs | 16:10 |
| hemna | thin vs. thick | 16:10 |
| hemna | but that can still happen on the same pool. | 16:10 |
| patrickeast | im confused, isn't all this already driven by specs? | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | hemna: horray! That's how it should be IMO | 16:10 |
| hemna | patrickeast, +1 | 16:10 |
| * hemna is confused | 16:10 | |
| patrickeast | the scheduler code is just so that it can decide when a backend has free space or not | 16:10 |
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| xingyang | hemna: I see that your driver reports thin_provisioning_support and thick_provisioning_support to True | 16:11 |
| patrickeast | nothing to do with how the volume actually got created | 16:11 |
| xingyang | patrickeast: there is flaw in the scheduler logic | 16:11 |
| eharney | patrickeast: i was confused about that too | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | patrickeast: So isn't that the key point here? This patch tries to make the scheduler aware of that and do the right evaluation. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Which it can't really do otherwise. | 16:11 |
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| patrickeast | yea, which seems like a nice de-duplication instead of all the drivers calculating virtual free space or something in their update stats call, right? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | So if we report thin and allow over provisioning, and they send down an exta spec requesting thick, it kind of messes some things up. | 16:12 |
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| patrickeast | i guess i'm not sure why this is controversial | 16:12 |
| hemna | patrickeast, +1 | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: I think you had the original objection here. | 16:13 |
| xingyang | How about I write a spec and hopefully explain things better? | 16:13 |
| tbarron | xingyang: +1 | 16:13 |
| eharney | my main objection is that this was written as a bug but it's not clear whether it's actually a bug... or what the use case is etc | 16:13 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: But drivers will still need to calculate it and send it back | 16:14 |
| eharney | this code is already overly complex and we don't need to make it worse without being totally clear on what's going on | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | xingyang: Seems a little overkill, but that may help with the communication and understanding here. | 16:14 |
| Swanson | xingyang, +1 | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Fair point. | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo | xingyang: I think that sounds good. Just to get us all on the same page | 16:14 |
| xingyang | smcginnis: seems that we are not on the same page, so a spec may help, or it could be worse:) | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | True | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo | xingyang: +1 | 16:14 |
| tbarron | this could be an opportunity to refactor that code and make it clearer | 16:14 |
| eharney | a bug about "the user wanting the volume to be thick or thin" isn't a bug to me, because that isn't something for the user to care about IMO | 16:14 |
| geguileo | tbarron: +1 | 16:14 |
| e0ne | tbarron>: good point | 16:15 |
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| eharney | so yes, i'm all for speccing out how this is all supposed to work and seeing how we can improve it | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: That would be a good outcome if nothing else from this. | 16:15 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney: Yeah I don't think the user should know about that really, right? | 16:15 |
| eharney | diablo_rojo: right | 16:15 |
| xingyang | tbarron: I was trying to avoid going through the same spec review that I had to go thru in Kilo:) | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | #action xingyang to write spec for thin provisioning details | 16:15 |
| tbarron | there are a lot of double negatives in that code now :) | 16:15 |
| xingyang | tbarron: but you wouldn’t let me escape:( | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | It's a trap! | 16:16 |
| tbarron | xingyang: :) | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo | tbarron: Two wrongs make a right, right? :) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | xingyang: Run! | 16:16 |
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| xingyang | :) | 16:16 |
| tbarron | wrong, wrong! | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: That's not incorrect. :) | 16:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: :) | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | xingyang: Good enough? | 16:16 |
| eharney | sounds good to me | 16:16 |
| xingyang | smcginnis: yes | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 16:16 |
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| * jungleboyj loves double negatives. | 16:16 | |
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| smcginnis | #topic Integrate Castellan for key management | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | Another one with no name on it. | 16:17 |
| kfarr | That one was mine! | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | kfarr: Great, all yours! | 16:17 |
| kfarr | To give a little history, when the Cinder volume encryption feature was implemented, identical key manager interface code was introduced into both Nova add Cinder | 16:17 |
| kfarr | The key manager interface code was copied over into a new library Castellan, with the intent that Castellan would replace the key manager code in Cinder and Nova and be used for key manager needs in other projects. | 16:17 |
| kfarr | The code to integrate Castellan into Nova has already merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309614/ | 16:17 |
| kfarr | But there's been a lot more discussion on the Cinder spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309614/ | 16:17 |
| kfarr | Cinder code here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280492/ (dependent on this bug fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251503/) | 16:18 |
| kfarr | So to help things along, I wanted to have this discussion real-time over chat, to answer any questions or comments | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Same link for the cinder spec and the nova one htere. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | *there | 16:18 |
| kfarr | one sec | 16:18 |
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| kfarr | cinder spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247577/ | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280492/ Cinder castellan patch | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247577/ Cinder castellan spec | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | kfarr: Thanks | 16:19 |
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| kfarr | I believe DuncanT had a -1 on it? | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | So my comment here is the same as it was initially: I want the conff key manager to be behind castellan, so we can remove it entirely from the cinder code and so that more of the castalan code path gets exercised in the gate | 16:19 |
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| hemna | kfarr, what about this patch in os-brick to add the encryptors support ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247372/ | 16:20 |
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| kfarr | DuncanT the way that it's been refactored though the ConfKeyManager still uses Castellan | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: So no in depth thought on my part, but patrickeast's comment on there makes some sense to me. | 16:21 |
| lixiaoy11 | hemna: integrate Castellan is to move code duplication about keymanager | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Do you think that's acceptable? | 16:21 |
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| hemna | ok, just they key management then. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | So is the os-brick patch still needed? | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Given the initial answer was 'we don't like the conf key manager, it isn't going into castallan since it isn't secure', it seemed like the second step would never happen | 16:22 |
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| * smcginnis needs to read up on these again | 16:22 | |
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| kfarr | smcginnis hemna, I believe the os-brick patch is still needed | 16:23 |
| lixiaoy11 | smcginnis: yes, os-brick patch is a step to attach encrypted volume. it is needed | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: OK, I remember some of the comments there. | 16:23 |
| hemna | kfarr, ok coolio. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Should that hold up the whole effort though? | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | Not sure, just asking. | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | It started to read as 'castalan is a library to abstract away key management. Except that key manager, which we don't like, so you're still going to have to have a second abstraction layer to get that one', which is daft | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | I think it should hold it up, yes, since it is pretty fundamental | 16:24 |
| kfarr | DuncanT did you get a chance to look at the code, not just the spec? | 16:24 |
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| DuncanT | kfarr: I've not looked at it for a while | 16:25 |
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| lixiaoy11 | smcginnis: DuncanT: as it is reasonable to not put ConfKeyManager in Castellan. If we put it into some other olso library, seems it needs time to do it. | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | Where would it go? If it's used by both, I agree it should not be duplicated. | 16:26 |
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| kfarr | The ConfKeyManager is only used by Nova and Cinder in DevStack | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | lixiaoy11: I don't want two layers of key manager abstraction in cinder, it's daft - I don't care if we keep it in-tree as a castallan plugin if that is doable, I just don't want using confkey to bypass castalan | 16:27 |
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| kfarr | DuncanT I wouldn't call it a second abstraction layer | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT | kfarr: I do, looking at the code | 16:28 |
| kfarr | DuncanT With the refactoring, the ConfKeyManager becomes an implementation of the Castellan key manager interface | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | kfarr: I'll look at the code again | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | kfarr: and get back to you ASAP | 16:29 |
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| kfarr | Ok, did anyone else have comments about it? I don't want to take up too much of the meeting time | 16:30 |
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| kfarr | smcginnis, since DuncanT will follow up on the spec later, I suppose it's time for the next agenda item? | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | kfarr: OK, thanks for bringing it up here. Looks like it definitely could use some more attention. | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | kfarr: At a glance it might be that the spec and the code don't quite agree, with the code being good. If so, it should be very easy to ammend the spec to be totally clear | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | kfarr: I'll spend some time on it after the meeting | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Thanks! | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Release new python-cinderclient | 16:33 |
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| kfarr | Thanks DuncanT! | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | No one wants to put there names on things this week I guess. :) | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT | This was a topic I added | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | But yeah, we probably need to. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: :) | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone aware of anything outstanding we should try to get in? | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | I can get a release requested this afternoon otherwise. | 16:34 |
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| DuncanT | But I've nothing to say that isn't in the agenda - I don't know of anything outstanding for mataka servers, and I want a release without too much newton support in it, ideally | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I think I had planned on getting one sooner, then waited for something, then by the time that made it got distracted. :/ | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | So I really should get that going. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | I did take a look at the outstanding reviews. | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | :-) | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Nothing looked critical to me, so if anyone is aware of anything please ping me on it soon. | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | But it did bring to my attention - we could really use some more reviews on client patches. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | There are a lot sitting out there that could use some eyes. | 16:36 |
| aimeeu | I'll take a look fwiw | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | aimeeu: Thanks! | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to request new python-cinderclient release | 16:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: I can review some tongiht | 16:37 |
| diablo_rojo | *tonight | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Cool, thanks! | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:37 |
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| e0ne | i've got one question | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | The floor is open. Anyone got some bikeshedding? :) | 16:37 |
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| e0ne | eharney proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316993/ | 16:37 |
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| e0ne | personally, I like this idea, but there was a lot of tbarron's patches with fake IDs | 16:38 |
| karthikp | Hi, I could use some help suggestion and review | 16:38 |
| e0ne | what solution will we prefer? | 16:38 |
| karthikp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309605/ | 16:38 |
| karthikp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313179/ | 16:38 |
| karthikp | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300708/ | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Seems in general where it doesn't really matter it's good to use the fakes. Where we want to be able to untangle what happened, we want unique IDs. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Any thoughts on that Mr. UUID? :) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: but you can use the fakes as unique no? | 16:39 |
| tbarron | the fake IDs were just a step in the right direction, not the final story | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: there's a pretty long list of fakes that are unique | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I thought so... | 16:40 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: both approaches are good, but should we use them together? | 16:40 |
| tbarron | it was a way to get us past the invalid uuids | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | I'm not saying I have a preference one way or the other | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | just saying that either way *should* work | 16:40 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: but eharney proposed to use unique IDs | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | tbarron, eharney: So can we switch these over to use unique fakes? | 16:40 |
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| tbarron | we had no real hope of getting that much code done and putting in a ratchet by doing all of them unique I thought at least | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: yes, I'm saying you could do the same thing: fake_uuids.Fake1, .... Fake3 | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | get it? | 16:40 |
| tbarron | but I have no problem with making progress on that front now | 16:41 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: oh.. good idea:) | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | There are multiple UUIDs in there, so each could use its own unique one. | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | Unique and distinctive if not actually fake (deadbeef etc) sounds good to me | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Basically what jgriffith is saying. :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | again, I'm fine with either approach. I just don't know what's best in terms of organizing and keeping things clear going forward | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Same | 16:41 |
| * dulek thinks smcginnis made a mistake by asking for bikeshedding. | 16:41 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:41 |
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| tbarron | dulek: +1 :) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Gotta get it out at some point. :) | 16:42 |
| * DuncanT is building an actual bikeshed at the weekend, but we've already bought the paint | 16:42 | |
| dulek | Oh, better here than in specs. ;) | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/tests/unit/fake_constants.py | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: What color? :D | 16:42 |
| tbarron | DuncanT: it's not too late! | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | Army green - it was cheap | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | So you can make a list of "fakebackup-1 ..... n" and just ref them | 16:42 |
| tbarron | DuncanT: once you paint it you can't change the color for two cycles | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Hah, popular color over there I suppose. :) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: LOL | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | some day I'd like to seed a prng and just generate repeatable ID's rather than have a list... but whatever | 16:43 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: LOL | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Got it. Thanks. | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Would be nice to have repeatable generated IDs rather than maintaining the long list. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | or hell... just make FAKE_UUIDS[xxxxxx......zzzzzz] and in the tests use "FAKE-UUID[0]" [1] or whatever | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | But meh | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I'd personally have put an eyeballable prefix on them (c0ffee, deadbeef, feed, whatever) but it's a small thing | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: prefix on the UUID? That defeats the whole point no? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | whatever.. I shouldn't dreail convo here ;) | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | derail even :) | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: The first few digits of the uuid, not an actual prefix | 16:45 |
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| cFouts | DuncanT +1 | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: If all fake UUIDs start badc-0ffe-eXXX-XXXX-XXXX then it's easy to spot when they're leaking | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: That makes sense. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Bad coffee? That's terrible. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | or badc-0deX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX if you want to be pointed | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Certainly don't want that leaking. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | ha | 16:47 |
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| tbarron | so, has anyone been running cinder with zookeeper under tooz lately? | 16:48 |
| tbarron | nice weather here | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Have you tried it? | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | tooz that is. | 16:49 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: not with zk underneath | 16:49 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1, I like this proposal | 16:49 |
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| dulek | tbarron: I don't think we've converted any locks to actually use Tooz. | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Me neither. | 16:50 |
| dulek | tbarron: That's probably badly advertised in the release notes… | 16:50 |
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| DuncanT | tbarron: If you're interested in testing, I can give you a fault injection patch than will give you a good chance of finding breakage | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | Shameless plug: I'd love feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297140/ to know if I'm completely off the rails. | 16:51 |
| tbarron | dulek: yeah, i'm just getting a sense of where we are (and personally am avoiding uuids at any cost) | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | If that goes through, there are some follow up patches I would like to do. | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | Like using the output of "tox -e gendriverlist" to make this sane: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/drivers.html | 16:51 |
| dulek | tbarron: bluex is the person to ask on status. Not sure when he'll be online. | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | Not even sure what the page is supposed to be conveying. | 16:51 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: I think interface checks would be good | 16:51 |
| tbarron | dulek: ty! | 16:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Your demo at the summit showed how useful they can be. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | Docs too. We can point new driver developers to the sphynx output of cinder.interface classes. | 16:52 |
| * dulek wanted to look into Tooz stuff this week, but still gets distracted. | 16:52 | |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Cool, glad it at least made some sense. :D | 16:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Seemed like a pretty easy way to get tons of info about all the drivers | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: I've been meaning to get to that patch, will try harder | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: IT certainly seems to achieve good things | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | I'm thinking so, but I certainly have a biased view. ;) | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else? | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | K, thanks everyone. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 16:55:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-18-16.01.html | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-18-16.01.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-18-16.01.log.html | 16:55 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 17:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o. | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | Hello everyone | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | o/ hey | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | As always the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| thiagop | o/ | 17:01 |
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| * thiagop watches more than participate :) | 17:01 | |
| wajdi | hello | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | I will save my Grenade related announcements until the Grenade section | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Any other announcements from anyone? | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | No audio bridge this week, as an FYI | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Will move on in 10 seconds if no response :) | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Grenade | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | #info Great work and progress this week on Grenade!!! | 17:03 |
| rloo | CLAP CLAP | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #info Big thanks to vsaienko and vdrok for their work. | 17:03 |
| mjturek1 | \o/ | 17:03 |
| sambetts | \o/ | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #info vsaienko's network patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317082/ was the big key in unblocking us | 17:04 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:04 |
| * jlvillal thinks vdrok was involved in that too... | 17:04 | |
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| vdrok | jlvillal: in all the other things except that networking bit :) | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #info jlvillal does not understand exactly the patch and why we need to create a second network. Hoping to get a better description from vsaienko. But it fixes things :) | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | #info Ironic Grenade whiteboard: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:06 |
| sambetts | So seeing this patch got me thinking, should we be running devstack + ironic with not a real flat neutron network ? | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | We are working on the list of patches that have got Grenade to pass. Trying to get them merged into various projects. | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | #info jlvillal has a goal (possibly unrealistic) to have Grenade working by end-of-next week. | 17:07 |
| vdrok | sambetts: what exactly do you mean? | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: I'm not sure. | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | sambetts: I guess I want to get what we have working to be merged. And then we can work on enhancements later. | 17:07 |
| rloo | jlvillal: so with the patches that are 'in flight', we are fairly sure that once they land, grenade will be working for ironic? | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: But I don't understand the question/suggestion | 17:07 |
| sambetts | we are sort of "fudging" the networking in devstack right now (going behind neutrons back and connecting into a tenant network), and I was wondering what would happen if we run ironic as intended, by turning off tenant networking and running a flat network | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | rloo: We have a pretty good feeling about it. vdrok and vsaienko got a green test pass early today in Jenkins. | 17:08 |
| vdrok | rloo: I'm running all of them (I hope) locally so will see | 17:08 |
| sambetts | would it try to make a new tenant network if we aren't using it | 17:08 |
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| rloo | jlvillal, vdrok, vsaienko: awesome! | 17:09 |
| mjturek1 | jlvillal: is there a list of the in-flight patches? The only one I know of that isn't merged is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317082/ | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | mjturek1: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:09 |
| mjturek1 | ahhh thanks | 17:09 |
| vdrok | jlvillal: that was false positive - n-cpu failed, and because we were running only baremetal test after the upgrade we didn't notice it, only api tests were run | 17:09 |
| rloo | sambetts: good question. probably worth investigating. | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | vdrok: Ah and oh :( But I still feel pretty good. A lot of progress has happened this week and we are very very close now. | 17:10 |
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| rloo | sambetts: but fudging is good :) | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | Like the 2nd to the last line of the script is current failure. | 17:10 |
| rloo | sambetts: (for now anyway) | 17:10 |
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| sambetts | rloo: I'm just wondering if these patches are actually required if we made our devstack deployment work that way :/ | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: No objections from me and exploring that area. I will defer to you and others on networking stuff. | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | s/me and exploring/me on exploring/ | 17:11 |
| * jlvillal does not understand enough about neutron and how things should be done :( | 17:11 | |
| sambetts | jlvillal: These are the settings I have in my devstack config in my CI to make devstack setup a flat network to work with Ironic http://paste.openstack.org/show/497564/ | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | sambetts: Can you add that to the whiteboard? as an FYI or something? | 17:12 |
| sambetts | sure | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | #info sambetts has a devstack config for a flat network setup for Ironic: http://paste.openstack.org/show/497564/ | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | So overall I think we are in a good place. Still a fair amount of work to be done. | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | Have to work on getting the patches merged into various projects and probably responding to review comments on the patches. | 17:13 |
| vdrok | sambetts: AIUI, grenade case is special as greanade creates a new net during resource create phase and tries to boot servers in it, in usual devstack run there is no such problem, and it will still be doing so no matter how we setup devstack | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Overall I feel quite good about where we are today compared to last week. | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Any questions/comments about the Grenade stuff? | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | We still need to keep pushing forward and get it finished. | 17:15 |
| sambetts | vdrok: what I'm thinking though is if you define a flat network, then making a new network doesn't make sense because a flat network normally maps onto the real world, so I wondered if it would leave it alone | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | sambetts: The resource phase creates this new network and then has nova use it. Outside of the devstack stuff. | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | sambetts: Look in grenade/projects/*/resources.sh files Especially 50_neutron and 60_nova. | 17:16 |
| devananda | one thing to consider with the grenade network things -- how _should_ this work, when we introduce proper neutron integration and multitenant network support? | 17:16 |
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| sambetts | isn't grenade aware of what was previously defined though? | 17:16 |
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| devananda | it sounds like there are two options right now in how we're implementing grenade support | 17:16 |
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| vdrok | sambetts: it tries to create things itself to check that upgrade went smoothly and everything newly created is preserved | 17:17 |
| devananda | I'm curious if one of htem will set us up better for the neutron integration and upgrade testing to that | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | I don't know. At the moment I want to continue on to get grenade working. Making it better in the future is good. But getting it working is 1st priority to me. Then improving it without breaking it. | 17:18 |
| sambetts | vdrok: right but we currently don't support multitenant networking so should we be fudging testing it? If our current real world deployment is a flat networks which can't just pop out of thin air should be be testing that case | 17:19 |
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| vdrok | sambetts: yes, we should not :) but ironic is different from all the other projects in this case I guess | 17:19 |
| vdrok | I guess grenade itself should be changed | 17:20 |
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| sambetts | does grenade not have support for if Q_USE_PROVIDER_NETWORKING=True is turned on? | 17:20 |
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| jlvillal | sambetts: git grep Q_USE_PROVIDER_NETWORKING comes back with nothing in grenade | 17:21 |
| vdrok | I think it will do whatever is said in local.conf | 17:21 |
| vdrok | whatever is written to local.conf by grenade plugin settings | 17:22 |
| devananda | jlvillal: that's sort of my question. if we get grenade working with a fudged network setup that is not how we actually recommend it to be deployed, how do we go from that to proper multitenant network testing? | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | I want to continue on with our current course of action to get basic grenade functionality working. | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | devananda: I worry that we will get derailed for a long time if we change plans. | 17:22 |
| devananda | jlvillal: perhaps I missed it in catching up on this. what is the current course of action w.r.t. network setup? | 17:23 |
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| vdrok | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317082/2/devstack/upgrade/resources.sh | 17:23 |
| devananda | thanks, reading | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | I am worried about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good | 17:23 |
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| jlvillal | I would like to get something working. Then improve it. iterate. | 17:24 |
| devananda | jlvillal: agreed. I'm not suggesting perfection, but would prefer we also don't do something that prevents upgrades :) | 17:24 |
| devananda | it may be that we just introduce a new test | 17:24 |
| devananda | when multitenant network support lands, we need to know that we can still do flat networks too | 17:24 |
| sambetts | ++ | 17:24 |
| vdrok | devananda: so we'll be testing upgrade for both flat-flat and flat-multitenant? | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | That is fine with me. I just want to get to that grenade test up and running. Then we have a base that we can improve upon and make sure it keeps working. | 17:25 |
| devananda | vdrok: flat->flat && multitenant->multitenant | 17:25 |
| vdrok | ah, ok | 17:25 |
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| devananda | grenade doesn't need to cover flat->multitenant migration in tests ... I'm not even sure we need to support that migration path, or what it would look like for a deployer right now ... | 17:26 |
| vdrok | yep, that would be harder | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | #info Contine to get grenade working. Need to figure out how to test upgrades for flat to flat and multitenant to multitenant. jlvillal would prefer that happen after grenade is up and running. | 17:27 |
| devananda | jlvillal: ++ | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | Any other questions/comments? | 17:28 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on :) | 17:28 |
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| jlvillal | Thanks for all the good feedback :) | 17:28 |
| jlvillal | #topic Functional testing | 17:28 |
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| jlvillal | #info No progress as focus has been on Grenade work. | 17:28 |
| jlvillal | Unless someone has been working on it??? | 17:29 |
| * jlvillal assumes not | 17:29 | |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party Testing (krtaylor) | 17:29 |
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| * jlvillal hands the mic and #info action to krtaylor :) | 17:29 | |
| krtaylor | sure, not much to report, I should update the requirements status table in the driver wiki | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | but I did push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314768/ | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | based on some discussions | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | around new drivers | 17:30 |
| rloo | krtaylor: don't know if this has already been discussed but at the summit, you had mentioned that you needed help/info for something (i don't remember what). | 17:30 |
| rloo | krtaylor: are you blocked on anything? | 17:30 |
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| krtaylor | rloo, that was for the status table | 17:30 |
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| krtaylor | rloo, but I think I need to send email for correctness | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | and get responses, then I'll start organizing a doc patch | 17:31 |
| rloo | krtaylor: ok. i think there is some other driver list that OpenStack has, but to get into it, one has to put their driver via stackalytics? | 17:31 |
| * rloo fuzzy on the details (if that wasn't obvious) | 17:32 | |
| krtaylor | yes, their driver list, that is input for the marketplace | 17:32 |
| * krtaylor learned that at summit | 17:32 | |
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| rajinir | https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/drivers/ | 17:32 |
| rloo | krtaylor: right. so we probably need to put a list of things-to-do for driver maintainers/marketeers/whatever. | 17:32 |
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| krtaylor | rloo, well, in the spec we decided not to, but hm... | 17:33 |
| krtaylor | maybe we need to update that | 17:33 |
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| krtaylor | based on the marketplace input | 17:33 |
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| devananda | ++ to having a document for what driver-maintainers are expected to do | 17:33 |
| krtaylor | agreed | 17:33 |
| devananda | right now, it's institutional knowledge at best, which means it reallyshould be written down | 17:33 |
| rloo | krtaylor: 'spec' is not user documentation. | 17:33 |
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| devananda | and yea, not a spec | 17:34 |
| rajinir | we noticed, dell drac driver is missing | 17:34 |
| devananda | but actually in our docs/ tree | 17:34 |
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| sambetts | I think this aligns with the conversation we had about what makes a 3rd party CI verified too | 17:34 |
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| krtaylor | yes, all good input for the doc, but not replacement for | 17:34 |
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| rloo | rajinir: i could be wrong but i thought someone ping'ed jroll about that driver being missing and he said he'd do 'something' about it (more fuzziness) | 17:35 |
| rajinir | that must be chris dearborn | 17:35 |
| rloo | rajinir: possibly and probably :) | 17:36 |
| cdearborn | yes, i pinged jroll about it, and he said that what was listed in the marketplace was very old and out of date, and that he was trying to get to updating it this week | 17:36 |
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| krtaylor | um, drac is there | 17:36 |
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| krtaylor | rajinir, sambetts among others, I need email on what to change specifically | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | drac -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Drivers#3rd_Party_CI_required_implementation_status | 17:36 |
| cdearborn | krtaylor: it's not listed here: https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/drivers/ | 17:37 |
| krtaylor | ah | 17:37 |
| krtaylor | ok, yeah, thats the driver log add | 17:37 |
| sambetts | Didn't work out at the summit that market place pulls from stackalyics? | 17:37 |
| sambetts | Didn't we * | 17:37 |
| krtaylor | yes, see scrollback :) | 17:37 |
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| sambetts | ah :) | 17:38 |
| sambetts | missed that | 17:38 |
| krtaylor | and that we need to document that | 17:38 |
| krtaylor | I agree, I'll get on it | 17:38 |
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| krtaylor | #info krtaylor will get email thread going about wiki driver completeness | 17:39 |
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| krtaylor | #info krtaylor will add information about the need for drivers to add to stackalytics to be listed in marketplace | 17:40 |
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| krtaylor | ok, jlvillal seems like we are winding down on CI | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | anything else? | 17:40 |
| jlvillal | Not from me | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on then. Thanks krtaylor | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:41 |
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| jlvillal | Anything anyone wants to discuss? Now is your chance. | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | I'll give it another minute of silence before ending the meeting... | 17:42 |
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| jlvillal | Thanks everyone for attending. | 17:43 |
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| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 17:43:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-05-18-17.00.html | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-05-18-17.00.txt | 17:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-05-18-17.00.log.html | 17:43 |
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| notmyname | hello patchbot | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 18 21:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | agenda this week is | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
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| torgomatic | . | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ok, we can get started I think | 21:04 |
| notmyname | not a ton on the agenda this week | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic crypto update | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | acoles: jrichli: what's going on this week with crypto? | 21:04 |
| acoles | well, the todo list has been going down and there's a bunch of patches waiting review | 21:05 |
| acoles | the top 3 are on priotity reviews page | 21:05 |
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| acoles | including one that needs no crypto knowledge to review, patch 316924 | 21:05 |
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| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316924/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - make some probe tests compatible with crypto | 21:05 |
| mmotiani | \o/ | 21:06 |
| notmyname | great | 21:06 |
| acoles | we now have copy middleware and therefore func tests pass and we have crypto in pipeline for jenkins functional test jobs on feature/crypto :) | 21:06 |
| jrichli | woohoo! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:07 |
| acoles | and if that patch 316924 lands then we have a good story on probe tests | 21:07 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316924/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - make some probe tests compatible with crypto | 21:07 |
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| acoles | jrichli has been collatingsome questions for "crypto experts" to validate our final choices over how we handle key and iv, ready for final review | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | good. jrichli when/how is that happening? | 21:08 |
| jrichli | the strategy involves both etherpad and the doc in review | 21:09 |
| jrichli | and some email and pings on IRC | 21:09 |
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| jrichli | i wasn't planning on a meeting yet - got to get everyone on same page on what we are doing now first, i guess | 21:10 |
| jrichli | we | 21:10 |
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| jrichli | we'll decide from then if a meeting needs to happen. prob will | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:10 |
| acoles | notmyname: so although we are closer to being ready for final review, in that tasks are being addressed at a good rate, we have a review backlog to get through on feature/crypto before I can start to prepare for a feature/crypto-review branch | 21:11 |
| notmyname | looking at the TODO list on the trello page, the only one that looks tricky is the PUT is really post-as-copy | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | acoles: ok. you're reading my mind. I was going to ask that :-) | 21:11 |
| acoles | notmyname: ah, i wanted to raise that for opinions here | 21:11 |
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| acoles | currently a post-as-copy will cause a previously unencrypted object body to get encrypted (as it is copied), which differs from a fast-post | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | right. makes sense | 21:12 |
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| acoles | we think we know how to prevent that (more code!) but question is do we care? on one hand I feel it is inconsistent wrt fast post, on other hand clients cannot tell, its an internal anomaly | 21:13 |
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| acoles | and I could even buy an argument that if something is unencrypted and we get chance to encrypt it then we should! | 21:14 |
| notmyname | what's the end result? a POST may or may not be (re-)encrypted? | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | but otherwise everything works? | 21:14 |
| acoles | an already encrypted object will always remain encrypted after a POST, an unencrypted object will become encrypted by post-as-copy | 21:15 |
| jrichli | but not fast-post | 21:15 |
| torgomatic | doesn't matter to me... you copy A to B, GET B, and A's contents come back | 21:15 |
| torgomatic | what's not to like? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | and unencrypted object with fast-post will have encrypted metadata and listing info? | 21:15 |
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| acoles | otherwise it all works, and client cannot tell | 21:15 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: yes | 21:16 |
| acoles | notmyname: just encrypted metadata, thelisting etag does not change on a fast-post | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:16 |
| notmyname | my gut reaction is that I'm completely fine with crypto only ever working with fast-post. so yeah, sounds like a non-issue to me. it Just Works | 21:16 |
| jrichli | ok, partly right ;-) | 21:16 |
| acoles | I am obviously biased towards not writing more code. | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I mean that I would be fine if you told me that crypto is broken with post-as-copy. so I'm definitely ok with it working with both fast-post and post-as-copy, evne if they have slightly different internal effects | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | yes! definitely write less code :-) | 21:17 |
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| acoles | ok. any contrary opinions? | 21:18 |
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| jrichli | since we are going in that direction anyway, i will also bring up the fact that it has been expressed that those that really want to ensure all data is encrypted will no be starting with pre-existing unencrypted objs | 21:18 |
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| jrichli | so, just more reason not to write more code! | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | acoles: I don't hear any | 21:19 |
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| mattoliverau | If you've turned on encrypted you want things encrytpted.. if you have objects taht aren't if they start being encrypted even partially then that's what you want.. so I think its ok | 21:19 |
| acoles | notmyname: that's helpful, that was probably one of the bigger/trickier remaining todo's. | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | #agreed crypto doesn't need to detect if a PUT is from a POST-as-COPY | 21:19 |
| jrichli | and now its the easiest! | 21:19 |
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| acoles | notmyname: coding todo's that is, we have lots of reviewing todo's ;) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | :-) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | ok, so the top 3 reviewing todos are the ones on the priority reviews page? | 21:20 |
| jrichli | i know! i keep adding to my list to review throughout the day - the stack is not shrinking | 21:20 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:20 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes, and i know I have mentioned it before but I'd really appreciate feedback on patch 316924 (probe test changes) because if the approach I have there is not acceptable then I need to think really hard | 21:21 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316924/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - make some probe tests compatible with crypto | 21:21 |
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| jrichli | acoles: added to the top of my stack | 21:22 |
| acoles | and thinking is even harder than coding! | 21:22 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:22 |
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| timburke | acoles: the approach seems sane to me. i should actually run the probe tests for that one... | 21:22 |
| notmyname | acoles: jrichli: thanks for the update | 21:23 |
| notmyname | now speaking of priority reviews... | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | #topic review the reviews | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | looking at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:23 |
| notmyname | last week we had some busted probetests | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | I think those are all ok now, right? | 21:23 |
| jrichli | those problems were fixed, but i have had more lately - but it might just be me | 21:24 |
| acoles | I reviewed something to fix a probe test today, testing expirer | 21:24 |
| kota_ | ah, yeah, that's my fault. | 21:24 |
| acoles | patch 318167 | 21:24 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318167/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - test varying proxy pipeline configs | 21:24 |
| acoles | no not that! sorry | 21:25 |
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| kota_ | patch 315918 | 21:25 |
| patchbot | kota_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315918/ - swift - Fix probe failure and small things | 21:25 |
| acoles | yes, that ^^ | 21:25 |
| notmyname | got it | 21:25 |
| notmyname | I'll make sure that's on the priority reviews page, too | 21:25 |
| jrichli | i saw that one, and i ran with those changes to see if my issues were fixed. seems like i still had issues, but i will test that again and leave comments. | 21:26 |
| notmyname | makes me think we should reexamine getting the probetests running in the gate | 21:26 |
| notmyname | jrichli: thanks | 21:26 |
| acoles | jrichli: i think it could be racey as it is now | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | patch 238799 has some comments and has a merge conflict | 21:26 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ - swift - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | onovy: is it something peter will be able to look at again? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | peterlisak: ^ | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'm going to assume "no" then | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | we might need to bug someone to take that over. mattoliverau were your review comments something that would be reasonable to write and push over the current version? | 21:29 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: ok. might be good to do that in order to move it forward | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | I'll also add patch 317475 to the priority page. looks like a rather ugly bug | 21:30 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317475/ - swift - Send correct size in POST async update for EC object | 21:30 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks for picking that one up | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: let me take a look at it again. If no one else will I'll rebase and push up a new patchset and we can take it from there. | 21:31 |
| acoles | notmyname: i caused it :/ | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | acoles: but importantly you're solving it :-) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | container sync and crypto stuff on the priority reviews page i'll leave as-is | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | somewhat related to the priority reviews page (and as a small status update from me)... | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | if you haven't seen it already, I added a new section to http://not.mn/swift/swift_community_dashboard.html | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | the "needs follow-up" is a list of patches that has had reviews but doesn't have any reviews on the current patch set | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | ie stuff where the patch owner has been doing stuff but is likely waiting on reviews | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | and although not published in a web page or irc bot yet, I've also built on that to build some personalized lists | 21:35 |
| notmyname | (I talked about this some in bristol) | 21:35 |
| jrichli | nice | 21:35 |
| notmyname | so eg stuff that you own that has a negative review or stuff that youv'e starred but haven't reviewed | 21:36 |
| notmyname | and I'll be working on some more complicated things like stuff you've previously negatively reviewed but has a new patch set | 21:36 |
| notmyname | all sorted by the community stars. etc etc | 21:36 |
| notmyname | still WIP :-) | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 21:37 |
| notmyname | #topic next release | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | I'd like to have a release *before* we land crypto | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | or rather, not wait until crypto lands to do a release | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | AFAICT patch 317475 is the biggest thing not landed that should | 21:38 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317475/ - swift - Send correct size in POST async update for EC object | 21:38 |
| notmyname | but if there's other stuff, please let me know | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | does that sound reasonable? any reason to rush one out now or wait until crypto lands? | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | nobody is very chatty today ;-) | 21:40 |
| mattoliverau | sounds reasonable. Sorry -ETOOEARLY :P | 21:41 |
| mattoliverau | was just looking at open patches | 21:41 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:41 |
| kota_ | hehe, nothing special to push for it :) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | ok, a couple of miscellaneous things before talking about the state of golang | 21:41 |
| notmyname | #topic misc stuff | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | yesterday was swift's "birthday". six years in production | 21:41 |
| kota_ | congrats! | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:42 |
| m_kazuhiro | congrats!! | 21:43 |
| notmyname | it's pretty cool, I think. and the fact it's still a thing that people are using and taking into account is a huge testament to the people who are writing and reviewing the code. thanks for your work | 21:43 |
| notmyname | has anyone tried putting swift on 16.04 yet? I've been putting together a new SAIO on 16.04 | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | for me, it's working pretty well so far. just a couple of weird new things that I need to transcribe into the SAIO docs, but nothing major | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | I haven't yet. | 21:44 |
| notmyname | well I was still on precise so I figured after 4 years it was a good time to upgrade :-) | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | quick note about the hackathon | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | I tried an openstack-ansible AIO on 16:04 and had some issues, but they I think is me and nothing to do with Swift. :) | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | basic info is july 11-14 in san antonio. rackspace is sponsoring and hurricanerix is doing all the logistics coordination | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | s/they/that/ | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | thanks hurricanerix! | 21:46 |
| notmyname | like normal, we'll have an eventbrite page set up for registrations and likely some sort of cap on how many | 21:46 |
| hurricanerix | mattoliverau np | 21:46 |
| kota_ | \o/ | 21:46 |
| notmyname | I'm working with hurricanerix to get all those details | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | hmm, that sounds like I'll be flying home on my birthday.. that's exciting :P | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | thanks hurricanerix :-) | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: maybe you'll have 2 if you time it right? | 21:47 |
| joeljwright | good luck hurricanerix! | 21:47 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: wrong way. there is a chance I'd miss it :P | 21:47 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:47 |
| hurricanerix | thanks, jrichli gave me her checklist, which is making this much easier. | 21:47 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: do that every year and stay forever young | 21:47 |
| jrichli | yw | 21:47 |
| notmyname | I'll pass out more info on the hackathon as we have it | 21:48 |
| mattoliverau | lol, yeah if your birthday day doesn't actually happen, do I get to stay younger? | 21:48 |
| notmyname | of course! | 21:48 |
| notmyname | #topic what's up with the whole golang conversation? | 21:48 |
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| hurricanerix | and if anybody has any questions or requests, feel free to pm/email me | 21:48 |
| notmyname | so there's been a *huge* mailing list thread and several rather intense IRC meeting discussions | 21:48 |
| notmyname | nothing is "decided" per-se, but many of the cross-project teams are working on figuring the details of what supporting golang means | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | eg we've got to figure out how we identify dependencies and have some sort of reproducable builds. and how to run golang tests in the -infra environment. and how to find and build docstring-style docs | 21:50 |
| notmyname | stuff like that | 21:50 |
| notmyname | so those are going well, I think | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | the TC meeting this week, however, was...interesting | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | basically it very quickly got steered from "do we support golang" to "what *is* openstack and is it ok to actually have a dataplane service project in openstack or not" | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | wow | 21:52 |
| notmyname | there will likely be another (very long) email thread about this question in the near future | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah. wow | 21:52 |
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| redbo | I still say we were here first, and they should be the ones to leave. | 21:52 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:52 |
| nadeem | ha ha | 21:52 |
| joeljwright | hahaaha | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | redbo: rofl | 21:52 |
| notmyname | I actually don't htink anyone is going to leave :-) | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | so, because there's a whole lot of different things being said, I wanted to be available to answer any questions you have about it, if you've been paying attention | 21:53 |
| nadeem | but reading through tc meeting logs...it seems like some guys want Swift to leave openstack | 21:53 |
| bkeller` | i think it's more of they want the front-end of swift to stay, but the back-end (which we'd be porting to go) should be its own separate service | 21:54 |
| notmyname | nadeem: I'm not sure that's the case. I do think there's some misconceptions and a perception that "swift is different" | 21:54 |
| notmyname | bkeller`: and that's the misconception, I think. where the (rather arbitrary) line between front-end and back-end is | 21:54 |
| nadeem | yep true | 21:54 |
| notmyname | so that's part of what I'm trying to work with a few people on the TC and in defcore about | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | as of now, with the current defcore standard, you can run swift on top of some other system and still pass defcore. however, that doesn't mean swift is an object storage provisioning service | 21:56 |
| nadeem | notmyname: I would say you did a good job on all of this. | 21:56 |
| notmyname | nadeem: thanks. still trying to figure out most of it as I go :-) | 21:56 |
| notmyname | if anyone does have concerns, please feel free to ask me publicly or privately. concerns with either what other people are saying or with what i'm saying | 21:57 |
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| redbo | Does that mean all the other projects would have to spin off their default backends? Like keystone's mysql backend and cinder's lvm backend? | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | redbo: actually i think the extreme conclusion is that swift would become like mysql or lvm (a service that is used but not part of openstakc) | 21:57 |
| notmyname | now, I don't htink that will actually happen, but it is the logical conclusion of one answer | 21:58 |
| notmyname | redbo: at least, that's how ttx presented it in the TC meeting | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | personally, I'm not sure why this conversation needs to be had or needs to be had at this particular time. I'm not sure of the actual problem that's being solved or the issue that's actually broken | 21:59 |
| notmyname | there are about zero people who have actually approached me to talk about these things, although i have had several people relay these things to me anonymously | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | so in general, stuff is happening. we;ll see where it goes. I'm not particularly worried about swift's place in openstack in the future | 22:00 |
| notmyname | and I'd be happy to talk with you if you want to go over it more | 22:00 |
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| mattoliverau | sorry I'm dumbfounded with the craziness. | 22:00 |
| notmyname | heh. me too, sometimes :-) | 22:01 |
| notmyname | looks like we're over time | 22:01 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: thanks as always for being the voice and taking the swift fight | 22:01 |
| jrichli | +2 | 22:01 |
| pdardeau | notmyname: maybe we can have group therapy at hackathon ;) | 22:01 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: I'll second that - thanks | 22:01 |
| notmyname | thank you for your participation and work on swift. 6 years now! | 22:01 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: lol | 22:01 |
| redbo | Yeah | 22:01 |
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| redbo | I've been working on it for 7 years :( | 22:01 |
| notmyname | I appreciate your support :-) | 22:02 |
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| notmyname | redbo: 6.5 for me :-) | 22:02 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 18 22:02:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-18-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-18-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-18-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
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