Thursday, 2016-05-19

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thinrichsHi all00:03
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ramineni_hi00:04
masahitohi00:04
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:05
openstackMeeting started Thu May 19 00:05:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:05
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ekcshi all okay finally got in. weird IRC client issue. sorry about that.00:06
thinrichsekcs: no problem.  I had to restart my machine to get in—my IRC client was not working at all00:06
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thinrichsTo start off, quick congratulations are in order.00:07
thinrichsramineni, ekcs: you're now officially core reviewers!00:07
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thinrichsCongratulations!00:07
ramineni_thinrichs: thanks :)00:07
ekcsawesomeness! congrats ramineni.00:07
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masahitocongratulations!00:07
ramineni_ekcs: you too :)00:08
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ekcsthanks!00:08
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thinrichsYou should have +2 rights now.  I updated gerrit just before the meeting.00:08
tsandallcongrats!00:09
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ekcsnow I can get free PyCharm00:10
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thinrichsekcs: I haven't used PyCharm before, but it looks interesting.00:11
thinrichsekcs: they give free versions to OpenStack core reviewers?00:11
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ekcsthinrichs: yup, with conditions.00:12
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ekcs#link https://www.jetbrains.com/buy/opensource/?product=pycharm00:12
thinrichsInteresting.  Never heard of a vendor giving stuff to open source devs before.00:12
thinrichsOk, on to business as usual.00:13
thinrichs#topic status updates00:13
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thinrichsLast week we were all going to look at ekcs's HA design and give feedback.00:13
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thinrichsekcs: did you get what you needed?00:13
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ekcsI think enough to start the spec. I have a very very rough and incomplete spec draft up.00:14
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ekcsI do want to get people’s take on whether occasionally duplicated action executions are tolerable.00:15
thinrichsI suppose that what we'll end up doing is choosing an architecture and then documenting the semantics of that arch.00:17
thinrichsOr perhaps having a couple arch and let the user choose the one they want.00:17
ekcsok.00:17
thinrichsI could imagine an "at-most" once semantics, and "at least once" semantics, and/or an "exactly once" semantics.  (Though not sure the last is achievable.)00:18
thinrichsMaybe it'd be good to have these different options in the spec so we can think through how we'd accomplish each and what the tradeoffs are.00:19
ekcsyup.00:19
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ekcs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318383/100:20
thinrichsThat said, we don't want to get bogged down in worrying about action-execution semantics if the rest is straightforward.00:20
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ekcsAt this point though, it may still be easier to discuss over etherpad rather than gerrit.00:20
ekcsok.00:21
thinrichsekcs: etherpad sounds fine to me.  Has it changed enough that we should all take another look?00:21
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ekcsyea I added an overview comparison of different approaches. And recommended a different approach from what we discussed before.00:22
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ekcsreplicate PEs (including react functionaliy), implement deduplication in ExecutionDriver (DS driver)00:22
thinrichs#action Everyone takes another look at the etherpad00:22
thinrichsekcs: link?00:23
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ekcs#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-congress-availability00:23
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thinrichsAnything else on the HA front?00:24
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ekcsThe spec on gerrit is cleaner. So it may be easier to look at that. etherpad carries past discussions and everything, but because things are still quite fluid adding new discussion to etherpad may be easier than gerrit. up to you guys.00:25
ekcsnothing else from me.00:25
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thinrichsGerrit is the traditional place to discuss specs and keeps the history around as you push new versions of the spec (along with all the comments).00:26
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thinrichsSo maybe we should use that, since we now have a proposal.00:26
ekcsok.00:26
masahitoI forgot looking the link last week. I'll check etherpad and the spec.00:26
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thinrichsOn to the distributed architecture.00:27
thinrichsI haven't kept up with the status this week.  How does everything look?00:27
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thinrichsLooks like there's 1 crucial patch from masahito for reloading policy rules.00:29
thinrichsmasahito: I'm guessing you're testing it out with the distributed_architecture flag set to True.00:29
thinrichshow is it going?00:29
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masahitoI think we need to address 2 things to pass jenkins test with the architecture.00:30
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masahitoone is loading persisted rule and add default policy, which is addressed by my patch.00:31
masahitoanother is enabling execute action in the architecture, which could be addressed by ramineni_'s patch.00:32
masahitomy patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317008/00:32
masahitoramineni_'s patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316028/00:32
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ramineni_masahito: i  have added the policy execution in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314941/00:33
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ramineni_masahito: rebased on your patch , so jenkins pass now00:33
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thinrichsAwesome!!  Unit and tempest tests all passing.00:34
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thinrichsThat's a giant step forward.00:35
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thinrichsSo once we get those 2 patches in, we can make the tests gating.00:36
ekcsawesomeness00:36
thinrichsAnd start removing the old tests00:36
thinrichsand start removing logic for the old dse00:36
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thinrichsLet's all take a look at those patches and get them through review.00:37
thinrichsramineni: I also see you ported test_congress to dse200:37
thinrichsHow did that go?00:37
thinrichsAnything interesting show up?00:37
ramineni_thinrichs: yes, migrated all the tests ..00:38
ramineni_thinrichs: only policy execution was not working , so added some code for that00:38
thinrichsCool.  Those tests have always been a little odd, but good sanity checks that get run during unit testing00:39
ramineni_ya00:40
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thinrichsAnyone else have any other status updates for the group?00:40
thinrichsI managed to resurrect the code to deal with converting datasource IDs to names, and I got the VM-placement code turned into a datasource for the person asking for it.00:42
thinrichsNothing else technical from me.00:43
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thinrichs#topic newton1 planning00:43
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thinrichsnewton1 is June 300:43
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thinrichsDo we think it's reasonable to make the distributed_architecture flag default to True by then?00:44
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thinrichsmasahito, ramineni, ekcs: thoughts?00:44
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ekcsmight be able to do it with minimal testing.00:45
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ramineni_should be possible00:45
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masahitoI think we can.00:46
thinrichsThat sounds like a good goal then.  Let's make it happen.00:46
thinrichsAnything else for tonight?00:46
ekcsis there any advantage to do it other than as a motivater for ourselves? I’m guessing some people might try it and help us identify problems.00:46
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thinrichsJust motivation.  Once distributed_arch is True all the time, we've effectively moved to the distributed_arch and can start removing the old code.00:48
ekcsOkay got it. Yea it’d be great to get to dist arch true by default.00:49
thinrichsAgreed00:49
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thinrichsAnything else for today?00:49
ekcsbut actually removing old code maybe should leave till last step like newton 300:49
ekcsabout vmplacement and other specialty policy engines. I want to understand the vision. Are they going to be “equal” with agnostic? or agnostic is always going to be main PE.00:49
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thinrichsekcs: I'm not sure when removing the old code is right.  I imagine we'll know it when we get there.00:50
masahitoshould we move in-memory MQ to rabbit MQ?00:50
masahitoIIRC, ramineni_ suggests it at last summit.00:51
thinrichsekcs: we've never had a super-clear vision for the specialized policy engine thing00:52
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thinrichsekcs: Right now I think of it more as a way to experiment00:52
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ekcsthinrichs: ok. just reminded of it when you mentioned vmplacement. Something I kind of thought about in HA deployment design. Not a blocking issue.00:52
thinrichsmasahito: move to rabbit MQ always, or just when we do an HA deploy?00:53
masahitoI mean moving to rabbit MQ always.00:54
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ekcsmasahito: probably not rabbitMQ always. cuz then it requires everyone to deploy rabbitMQ. even single node.00:54
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masahitobefore we change the flag set to True.00:54
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thinrichsIs there a downside to using the in-memory version if someone is deploying on 1 node?00:55
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thinrichsAs ekcs says, it would be nice if someone is just testing it out to not need to install and run rabbitmq00:55
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masahitoif we can use rabbitmq the messages are stored in it. so HA stuff for messages is done.00:57
ekcsthinrichs: one potential downside. I’m not sure how solid support for in-mem driver is. like whether it’s just something intended to kind of work for testing. and maybe features get messed up and removed without much consideration.00:57
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thinrichsmasahito: rabbitmq is definitely necessary for HA.  I'm just wondering about people spinning up Congress for some tests who don't really care about HA.00:59
thinrichsekcs: makes sense00:59
masahitothinrichs: oh. ok01:00
ekcsthinrichs: I’ll take a closer look at that. I don’t expect it to be a problem though.01:00
thinrichsSo if the in-memory support may not be so solid, it makes sense to make sure everything is running on RabbitMQ before switching the flag to True by default.01:00
ekcsit’s kombu project I think they’re going to support memory transport.01:00
thinrichsOops—out of time.01:00
ekcsbut i’ll verify.01:00
thinrichsLet's follow up with that, and do some testing with RabbitMQ so we have a fallback if the in-memory stuff is flakey.01:01
thinrichsThanks all!01:01
thinrichs#endmeeting01:01
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klopsi-u3Seymour Hersh reported that Hillary Clinton approved shipping SARIN GAS from libya to syrian Al-Nusra terrorists, to kill 1300 civillians in a false-flag attack to be blamed on Assad.  STOP THE PSYCHO VAMPIRE GRANDMA HILLARY CLINTON05:35
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klopsi-u3NEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRVE GAAAAAAAAAAAAS08:21
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klopsi-u3https://off-guardian.org/2016/05/02/seymour-hersh-says-hillary-approved-sending-libyas-sarin-to-syrian-rebels/08:28
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njohnstonHi, I have a stupid Gerrit question.  In a change I am working on, I am listed as the Author, and another developer who contributed is the patch Owner.  I want to make sure I have the correct Co-Authored-By tag.  Who should I put as a co-author: the person who is not the change Owner, or the person who is not the change Author?  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28839212:36
njohnstonoops I meant to ask that in another channel.  damn.12:36
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njohnstonYep, that's where I meant to post it.  Thanks jjmorman12:40
jjmormanactually - my bad. I decided I should go there and missed the "/"   :)12:41
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katomo#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 19 13:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is katomo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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katomowho is here?13:00
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katomono one seems to be for i18n meeting13:07
katomo#endmeeting13:07
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openstackMeeting ended Thu May 19 13:07:27 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:07
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-05-19-13.00.html13:07
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-05-19-13.00.txt13:07
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-05-19-13.00.log.html13:07
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mriedemadrian_otto akuriata alevine alexpilotti aloga andreykurilin anteaya artom auggy13:59
mriedembauzas belliott belmoreira bobball cburgess claudiub danpb dguitarbite _diana_13:59
mriedemdiana_clarke dims duncant edleafe efried flip214 funzo garyk gcb gjayavelu13:59
mriedemirina_pov jaypipes jcookekhugen jgrimm jichen jlvillal jroll kashyap klindgren13:59
mriedemkrtaylor lbeliveau lxsli macsz markus_z mdorman med_ mikal mjturek mnestratov13:59
mriedemmoshele mrda nagyz ndipanov neiljerram nic Nisha PaulMurray raildo rgeragnov13:59
mriedemsc68cal scottda sdague sileht sorrison swamireddy thomasem thorst tjones tonyb13:59
mriedemtpatil tpatzig xyang rdopiera raj_singh woodster sahid rbradfor junjie gsilvis13:59
mriedemmtanino13:59
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sdagueo/14:00
diana_clarkeo/14:00
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dansmitho\14:00
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mriedemstop!14:00
alaskio/14:00
bauzas\o14:00
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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:00
gagehugoo/14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 19 14:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
lbeliveauo|14:00
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mriedemnow do it all again14:00
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lyarwood_o/14:00
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alaski+114:00
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mriedem#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting14:00
mriedem#topic release news14:01
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mriedem#link newton release schedule for nova https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule14:01
mriedemhasn't changed14:01
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mriedem#info June 2: newton-1, non-priority spec approval freeze14:01
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mriedem#info we're 2 weeks away from non-priority spec approval freeze14:01
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raj_singho/14:01
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mriedemwith probably a few hundred open specs, not everything is going to make it14:02
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mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+status:open14:02
mriedem#topic bugs14:02
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mriedemi'm not aware of anything that's critical14:02
mriedemif something critical does come up, mark it for milestone n-114:03
mriedemsince the release team will be looking at those for tagging i think14:03
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mriedem#link gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html14:03
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mriedemnothing really new for nova here - we did revert the fernet token thing in devstack yesterday, so the gate should be smoother now14:03
mriedemi don't have any news about third party CI status14:04
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sdagueyeh, the gate finally cleared last night after that14:04
mriedem\o/14:04
jrollwoo14:04
mriedemonly other thing i know about bugs is markus_z was going through the old wishlist bugs and cleaning house on some of tohse14:04
mriedem*those14:04
mriedem#topic reminders14:05
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mriedem#link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking14:05
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mriedemif you are a subteam putting stuff in there, make sure it's up to date on a weekly basis14:05
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mriedemafter your subteam meeting is a good time to do it14:05
mriedemWe have 59 approved blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton - 6 are completed, 5 have not started, 3 are blocked14:05
mriedem#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?14:06
mriedemi think andrearosa has this week14:06
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mriedemi see some names in the table in there, nice14:06
mriedemthanks to those that are signing up14:06
raj_singhI added my name for next week14:06
mriedemyeah i see that, thank you14:06
andrearosamriedem: correct, I did it for a couple of days14:06
mriedem#topic stable branches14:07
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macszi will add myself torah_singh, mriedem14:07
mriedem#link stable branch status https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker14:07
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mriedemas far as i know the stable branch jobs for nova are ok14:07
mriedemstable/liberty is in security fix only mode now14:07
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mriedemthere are a few open stable/mitaka backports14:08
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mriedemi'll be looking to do a release for both around n-114:08
mriedem#topic subteam highlights14:08
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mriedemalaski: want to recap anything from the cells meeting yesterday?14:09
alaskisure14:09
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alaskiI'm going to be looking into getting devstack to use the upgrade to cells command14:09
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alaskibut we no longer have anyone focused on testing so we need to get that work picked up somehow14:10
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mriedem#help need help with cells v2 testing in the gate14:10
alaskiand melwitt is looking into using transport_url if configured to make upgrading easier14:10
dansmithwas that v2 or v1 testing?14:10
dansmithI thought ccarmack was working on v1 test fixes or something14:10
alaskiand has been discussing deprecating the old driver specific messaging options to encourage deployers to set transport_url14:11
alaskidansmith: v214:11
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mriedemdansmith: i think he basically abandoned that14:11
alaskihe was also putting together a plan for v214:11
mriedemthe security group config stuff in tempest14:11
dansmithokay, I hadn't realized he was working on v2 stuff14:11
dansmithokay14:11
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alaskiI think that's about it14:11
mriedemalaski: are any of cccarmack's notes written down?14:11
mriedemetherpad?14:11
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alaskithey're in an etherpad, yeah14:12
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bauzasyeah we have an etherpad for testing14:12
alaskiI need to dig it up14:12
mriedemhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-testing14:12
mriedem#link cells v2 gate testing etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-testing14:12
alaskithat's the one14:12
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mriedemok, thanks14:12
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mriedemedleafe: want to go over any highlights from the scheduler team meeting?14:12
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bauzasoh, I was on pto at Monday...14:13
edleafemriedem: sorry - on a call14:13
mriedemok, i'll pitch in here14:13
cdentg-r-p spec merged14:13
mriedemgeneric-resource-pools spec is merged14:13
cdentjinx14:13
mriedemeverything is dependent on moving inventories to the api db right now14:13
bauzascoolness14:13
cdentBUY ME A COKE14:13
mriedemdansmith:  have a link for that series?14:13
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dansmiththe inventory moving one?14:14
mriedemyeah14:14
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dansmithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/315681/14:14
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dansmithcdent had a few things to address on the bottom patch14:14
dansmithapparently there is some database named db214:14
dansmiththat is really picky14:14
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mriedemit's a strict one14:14
dansmithand then another table we need to throw in there while we're doing a mgiration14:14
mriedemvery conservative14:14
dansmithmriedem: strictly picky, yeah14:14
mriedem#help review the inventory tables move to API DB series for the scheduler https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315681/14:15
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mriedemmoving on14:15
mriedemPaulMurray: any highlights from the live migration meeting?14:15
PaulMurrayyep14:16
PaulMurraya few14:16
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PaulMurrayFor CI:14:16
PaulMurraytdurakov switched the live migration job in experimental queue to use Xenial (Ubuntu 16.04) to14:16
PaulMurrayget recent versions of qemu and libvirt. So can now test recent features in those.14:16
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PaulMurrayIncreasing CI coverage of storage backends:14:16
PaulMurraymriedem added tempest-dvsm-lvm job to experimental queue14:16
PaulMurray- but change has not merged yet - it was waiting on depndencies that have merged.14:16
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mriedemit should be in soon14:17
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/316298/14:17
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mriedemoh it's merged14:17
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PaulMurraycool14:17
mriedemalso, on the live migration job on xenial14:17
PaulMurraymriedem will also change an existing job to use raw (almost all use qcow2 right now).14:17
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* PaulMurray (lots of mriedem in there this week)14:17
PaulMurrayFor storage pools: making progress.14:17
mriedemthe live migration job is failing because libvirt isn't sorting out the gate64 cpu model14:17
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PaulMurrayThe bdm code is confusing because of the wrappers for objects and14:18
dansmitha bunch of mdbooth's cleanups have mereged14:18
PaulMurraybdm v1 vs bdm v2. So propose deprecating bdm v1 and start moving towards getting rid of it14:18
dansmithone is in the gate now, and the next one has feedback to address14:18
PaulMurraysee mriedem ML:14:18
PaulMurrayhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095226.html14:18
PaulMurrayyes, good to see that mdbooth is getting reviews14:19
mdboothThanks dansmith and feodor especially for all the reviews, btw14:19
dansmithwe're about to get to the meat of it I think14:19
mriedemwe'll probably lump the bdm v1 deprecation with some other misfit APIs in a single spec14:19
mdboothYup14:19
sdaguemriedem: you want that piled into the extensions cleanup spec?14:19
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mriedemsdague: like agent-builds and cloudpipe? yeah14:20
sdagueyeh14:20
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mriedemwe don't test bdm v114:20
sdagueand os-certificates14:20
mriedemthe island of misfit apis14:20
sdagueright, and the schema parse is wibbly wobbly for it14:20
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* PaulMurray likes wibbly wobbly14:20
mriedemas for the raw job change, i was going to add that to the postgres job14:20
* PaulMurray as a term14:21
mriedembut need to be able to set the value in devstack - so working on that14:21
mriedempiggly wiggly14:21
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mriedemthanks PaulMurray14:21
mriedemmoving on14:21
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mriedemsdague: alex_xu: api subteam meeting highlights?14:21
sdagueyeh, we're about 40% of the way through the api-ref cleanup - http://burndown.dague.org/14:22
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mriedemexample verification should be easyish14:22
mriedemparam verification is the hard one14:22
sdaguerealistically, there are a few tough ones to sort out, but then the rest are pretty easy and will just grind for the rest of the cycle14:22
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sdagueand we'll probably do a post freeze sprint at end of cycle to clean up any stragglers14:23
rbradforsdague, like the added table of TODO work.14:23
sdaguewe then mostly focused on the details of deprecating the API proxies14:23
sdaguewhich apparently just merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312209/14:23
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sdagueit also spawned out a second discussion of disable_deprecated_apis config flag14:24
sdaguehttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095353.html14:24
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sdaguewhich people should comment there if they are interested14:24
sdagueand we're just waiting on alaski to say where he needs help on the policy in code work14:25
sdagueI think that's pretty much it14:25
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alaskiit's under review in oslo.policy14:25
mriedemsdague: how about this guy? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265282/14:25
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mriedemwe can talk about that after the meeting too14:26
sdaguemriedem: yeh, I haven't circled back on that one yet, I can do post meeting14:26
mriedemok14:26
mriedemsriov/pci meeting14:26
mriedemmoshele is in nova, but not here14:26
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mriedemi was there for part of the meeting,14:27
mriedemwas mostly about reviews, and those should be in the reviews etherpad14:27
mriedemL182 here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking14:27
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moshelehi14:27
mriedemmoshele: i was just going over the sriov/pci meeting highlights, mostly reviews14:27
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mriedemmoshele: anything else you wanted to add?14:27
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mosheleyes: we are working on the resize patch14:28
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moshelehopefully it will be ready for review next week14:28
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mriedemok, people are just testing it out this week, correct?14:29
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mriedemmoshele: but for ci testing, that requires multinode?14:29
moshelemriedem: also I found issue with resize in general14:29
moshelemriedem: we can do it with one node intel PCI has tests for it14:30
mriedemok, cool14:30
mriedemthat will be key to getting that patch merged14:30
moshelemriedem: the test are passing14:30
mriedemalright, anything else?14:30
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moshelemriedem: there is general issue  with resize that I need to open a bug14:31
moshelewe can talk about after the meeting14:31
mriedemmoshele: ok14:31
mriedemthanks14:31
mriedemmoving onto notifications14:31
gibihi14:31
mriedemgibi: highlights from the notifications meeting?14:31
gibisure14:31
gibiWe agreed with searchlight representatives to not purse the idea to have the same data in the notification as in the API response right now but do a more stepwise approach.14:31
gibiDo the transformation first then add missing pieces searchlight needs as a next step.14:32
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gibithis solved the last comment on the transformation spec14:32
gibi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286675/14:32
gibiboth jay and john has positive feedback on it but need additional spec-cores to look at it14:33
rlrossitit also has my +1 now too14:33
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gibirlrossit: thanks for that14:33
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mriedemok. i haven't gone through that one yet. will try to make a pass on it today.14:34
gibimriedem: thanks14:34
mriedemanything else?14:34
gibiwe have some PoC code already up on review for this spec as well the subteam working on it14:34
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gibialso14:34
gibithe json schema generation spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311194/ has been merged in ovo, implementation is just started14:34
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johnthetubaguyI am still torn on instance vs server, but I like the approach14:34
rlrossityeah we have some work to do in o.vo for a bit14:34
mriedemoh it's a spec, ok14:35
rlrossitjohnthetubaguy: we're approaching the "speak now, or forever hold your peace" point :)14:35
mriedemalright14:35
mriedemrlrossit: well, 50% of specs end in divorce14:35
mriedemso, meh14:35
rlrossitha14:35
gibilol14:36
gibinothing else from the notification subteam14:36
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mriedemok, thanks14:36
mriedem#topic stuck reviews14:36
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mriedemthere isn't anything on the agenda14:36
mriedemanyone waiting to pounce on this?14:36
tpatzighi14:36
tpatzigshould we shortly talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26767314:36
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mriedemsure14:37
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tpatzigit seems to go in the direction to use an additional column, right?14:37
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tpatzigwhich disallowes local ephemerals at all for that flavor14:37
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mriedemalaski doesn't want to introduce new complexity to the flavor API14:38
mriedemwhich i can agree with14:38
tpatzigalaski, mentioned not to add that as additional field to the api…14:38
mriedembut a new db column and attribute on the flavor object could help make the code internally cleaner for this special case14:38
tpatzigok14:38
tpatzigbut for the api we map root_gb=None to that new column14:39
mriedemsounds like it14:39
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alaskiyeah, that's what it would be14:39
dansmiththis does't seem stuck to me14:39
dansmithjust requiring further discussion14:39
alaskiyep14:39
tpatzigok. i'll adjust the spec and we can discuss if needed in there14:39
mriedemsure, which i think is fine to bring up in a meeting14:40
mriedemok, cool14:40
tpatzigthanks14:40
mriedemmoving on14:40
mriedem#topic open discussion14:40
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mriedemanyone have anything they want to discuss at great detail for 20 minutes?14:40
mriedemnot hearing anything14:40
mriedemoh, also,14:41
mriedemi'm out until 5/31 so if i have a -2 procedural on something of yours, ping me today to remove it14:41
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mriedemotherwise sdague is going to be the lightning rod while i'm out14:41
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mriedemand infra can remove -2s if needed14:41
flip214please advise how to proceed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256292/14:41
sdaguemriedem: you are going to reset the glance -2s, right?14:42
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flip214do I need to redo the spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134153/, or is that unnecessary if it's just another os-brick connector?14:42
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mriedemsdague: probably yeah14:43
flip214general overview page is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/drbd-transport; only the nova part is still missing.14:43
bauzasI have a midcycle-related question14:43
mriedemflip214: i don't think we need a spec for a new brick connector14:43
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mriedemflip214: the os-brick change is merged14:43
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mriedemthe nova change will need to depend on a global-requirements change that raises the minimum required os-brick to the version that has the drbd connector14:43
mriedemflip214: ping me in nova after the meeting to sort out the paperwork14:44
mriedembauzas: go!14:44
flip214mriedem: thanks a lot!14:44
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bauzasmriedem: just knowing before you leave if we have some Intel feedback about possible hotel rooms block rate14:44
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mriedemi asked about that last week, they were going to check on it14:44
bauzasgiven the form we provided14:44
bauzasokay14:44
mriedemlast time we were there it was larkspur landing14:44
mriedemthey also said holiday inn express but needed to check14:45
mriedemi can email them again today14:45
bauzasgo on vacation, it's not that urgent14:45
sdaguemriedem: stick me on cc, and I'll follow up while you are gone14:45
mriedemsdague: cool, i was going to anyway :)14:45
sdague:)14:45
mriedemanything else?14:45
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bauzasFWIW, it seems Intel is also hosting a few more midcycles at the same time14:45
mriedemdansmith: you have some items you wanted to talk about i think?14:45
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dansmithmriedem: I don't think so14:45
bauzasat least Watcher AIUI14:45
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mriedembauzas: yeah i think so, but not sure it matters to us14:46
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bauzasright, just a FYI14:46
mriedemok, thanks everyone14:46
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mriedem#endmeeting14:46
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armaxhello22:00
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ihrachyso/22:00
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armaxcarl_baldwin, kevinbenton, amuller ping22:00
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armaxHenryG: ping22:01
amullerheya22:01
kevinbentonhey22:01
armaxwe have quorum by the looks of it22:01
armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:01
openstackMeeting started Thu May 19 22:01:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'22:01
HenryGo/22:02
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armaxI hope you guys have had time this week to go through our backlog of RFEs and specs22:03
dougwigbring it on22:03
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe&orderby=datecreated&start=022:03
armaxfrom last week we have only a handful of new entries22:04
* carl_baldwin walks in a little late.22:04
armaxbug #137244122:04
openstackbug 1372441 in neutron "[RFE] Creating port in dual-stack network requires IPv4 and IPv6 addresses to be allocated" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372441 - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins)22:04
dougwigmaybe it's me, but that seems like "working as intended".22:05
HenryGDo we need to discuss this here? The discussion seems to be in the bug comments.22:05
dougwigif you don't want to two addresses, make a single stack network?22:05
carl_baldwinI remember discussing at the summit a bit and I think I was leaning toward the same conclusion.22:05
armaxthis is true only until one of the subnets runs out of space22:06
armaxin which case the user is required to be explicitely create a port by specifying the subnet that did not exhaust22:06
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dougwigisn't that a configuration error?22:07
carl_baldwinI still think the expectation on a dual-stack network will be to get addresses in both families.22:07
armaxdougwig: what do you mean?22:07
dougwigas in, it's an odd band-aid when you don't plan your subnets correctly.22:07
amotokii think it is usual that ipv4 and ipv6 subnets have different size of ip addr ranges.22:07
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armaxdougwig: though no-one can anticipate how popular your application becomes and how widely you need to scale out your webfarm22:08
kevinbentonYeah, I think silently giving some VMs only v6 addresses isnt a great user experience22:08
dougwigok, so i'm a user.   i expect both, i get one, with no indication it's an error. how do i fix it?22:08
armaxdougwig: right now you get an error22:09
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* ihrachys wonders how we'll explain inconsistent behaviour when running consequent requests.22:09
dougwigright, i agree with the current behavior for that reason.22:09
ihrachyssorry, consequent -> parallel22:09
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armaxdougwig: the idea is that the user would have to specify what type of behavior they’d want22:10
ihrachyslike in: I checked one address is still avail in all subnets; I request a port; due to other user requesting a port just before me, I get a port that I don't expect, with no error indication22:10
kevinbentonarmax: can't they do that by explicit subnet requests in fixed ups?22:10
dougwigarmax: so many toggles.  i already have one... i can go make a different network.22:10
amotokikevinbenton: they can.22:11
armaxkevinbenton: yes, it’s a shortcut22:11
armaxdougwig: that’s sensible feedback22:11
amullerDo we have any indication that this issue is common enough to solve? I'm inclined to ignore it.22:11
armaxif we agree that we have enough primitives to address the use case with some boilerplate outside neutron22:11
armaxthen I am ok with that22:11
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armaxthe use case was aiming at providing some API sugar to simplify the user workflow in some corner case circumstances22:12
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armaxand I sense from this feedback so far that the general sentiment is ‘meh'22:12
kevinbentonarmax: Yeah, it only would save a step of getting the subnet id22:12
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carl_baldwinThat about sums it up.22:12
dougwigi'm a tad into 'actively aganst'.22:13
dougwigagainst.22:13
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dougwigsigh.22:13
armaxgreat, I’ll provide this feeback and kill the RFE22:13
armaxlet’s move on22:13
amotokiI am okay with either22:13
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amotokiwe can achieve the reuqest in other way22:13
armaxbug #155268022:13
openstackbug 1552680 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for DLM" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552680 - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz)22:13
armaxany update?22:13
amullernone yet22:13
armaxok22:14
armaxmoving on22:14
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armaxbug 156396722:14
openstackbug 1563967 in neutron "[RFE] Extend l2-extensions-api for flow management " [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563967 - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo)22:14
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armaxthis is clearly a continuation of blueprint l2-api-extensions22:14
ihrachyson the general idea - we definitely need it.22:14
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ihrachysespecially as we move more stuff to flows22:14
armaxthe devil is in the details…we need to agree on scope and strategy22:15
ihrachysthis is not an easy task to say the least though22:15
armaxat least for Newton22:15
amullerI think it's pretty easy to justify the need... neutron-server has a robust plugin system, the OVS agent is not there yet22:15
amullerwith more and more new projects and features using the OVS agent, we need a plugin system22:16
armaxack22:16
armaxlet’s move the design discussion on gerrit then22:16
amullerI just want to see SFC not fork the OVS agent22:16
ihrachysshould we move it to spec?22:16
dougwigagree, this one is too complicated for this meeting.22:16
armaxihrachys: right now ajo_ is working on it as devref22:16
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armaxamuller: ditto22:17
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amotokidevref sounds good22:17
armaxamuller: being saying this since vancouver22:17
amullerarmax: vancouver is a location not a time22:17
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dougwigcontainer flavor chaining, here we come.22:17
* armax takes drivers and core rights away from amuller 22:17
* amuller understands22:18
armaxok moving on22:18
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armaxbug #156619122:18
openstackbug 1566191 in neutron "[RFE] Allow multiple networks with FIP range to be associated with Tenant router" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156619122:18
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carl_baldwinThere is a review up now.22:18
armaxI went through this some more after last meeting22:18
armaxcarl_baldwin: which one?22:18
carl_baldwin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292318/22:18
armaxoh right22:18
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carl_baldwinThe approach, I think, is as you suggested.22:18
carl_baldwinIf this is the way to go, I don't think we need an RFE.22:19
armaxcarl_baldwin: I didn’t particularly like the use of a class attribute to control behavior22:19
armaxcarl_baldwin: I commented earlier today22:19
carl_baldwinarmax: I didn't either.  Hence my -122:19
armaxcarl_baldwin: attaboy22:19
carl_baldwinarmax: I didn't see your comment.  On the patch set?22:20
armaxI suppose we can work out how to address the regression and have more breathing room to figure out whetehr we want to evolve the existing model22:20
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armaxcarl_baldwin: no on the bug report22:20
armaxcarl_baldwin: but I did reference the patch22:20
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armaxwe reached the same conclusions from two different angles22:20
carl_baldwinOh, I missed that update.22:20
carl_baldwin:)22:20
armaxit was only like an hour ago22:20
armaxonce this is resolved we can revise the RFE proposal to better express what is asked22:21
carl_baldwinok22:22
armaxwhich, from what I understand, is the desire to allow router uplinking to external networks via router interfaces rather than gateway interfaces22:22
armaxcarl_baldwin: am I right?22:22
carl_baldwinarmax: Yes, exactly.22:22
armaxcarl_baldwin: I am more concenred with the side effects that something like this may expose22:23
armaxrather than the API change itself22:23
armaxanyhow, we’ll continue to iterate on the RFE22:23
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armaxother thoughts? amuller, kevinbenton, anyone else?22:23
carl_baldwinIf we unblock them by restoring the old behavior, we can think longer on the ultimate solution.22:23
dougwigi agree that it seems like a useful enhancement.  and fraught with peril.22:23
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amotokiit sounds reasonable.22:24
carl_baldwinI'm in no rush.22:24
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armaxok22:24
armaxbug #157384322:24
openstackbug 1573843 in neutron "[rfe] Minimize agent state reports handling on server side" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1573843 - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)22:24
amotokirouter:external flag has two meaning: default route and FIP pool. it looks okay to allow FIP pool for router interface too, but i haven't figured out potential concern.22:24
armaxamotoki: agreed22:25
armaxthis bug from obondarev seems to be borderline between an rfe and a regular fix22:25
armaxI mean bug22:25
armaxenhancement if you will22:25
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HenryGwell I guess it affects the RPC api?22:26
kevinbentoni don't think this is necessarily about payload size22:26
armaxHenryG: maybe, it’s not clear if he intends to introduce new RPC calls22:26
armaxto distirbute the payload and thus minimizing it22:26
amullerright, this is about how the server processes report_state22:26
kevinbentonit's about having the server understand which data should be handled22:27
amullerit's a real problem for the reference implementation, always have been22:27
kevinbentonin the context of a normal update22:27
amullerI think a patch is a better medium for discussion though22:27
amullercause it's all in the details22:27
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amullerI don't know if there's anything to discuss at the conceptual level?22:27
armaxamuller: agreed22:27
dougwigi'd say rfe-approved, then move it to gerrit22:27
armaxsure22:27
kevinbenton+122:28
HenryGsounds good to me22:28
carl_baldwin++22:28
armaxI am not sure this is RFE material though, it seems a genuine optmiziation required22:28
kevinbenton(push notifications won't get ride of state reports FWIW)22:28
kevinbentonrid*22:28
armaxbut either way we’d need to iterate and see what the code looks like22:28
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armaxmoving on22:28
armaxbug #157748822:28
openstackbug 1577488 in neutron "[RFE]"Fast exit" for compute node egress flows when using DVR" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157748822:29
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armaxI gave this some thought after last week22:29
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armaxI must admit the diagrams were not very helpful for me22:29
armaxlack of labelling left too much to the imagination22:30
armaxand I am not a creative person22:30
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dougwigso, dvr does north-south at compute node for fip, and not generate nat.  and this rfe doesnt' change that, it just specifies "the operator can do north/south" with vm ip's directly addressable.  isn't that use case covered by provider nets?22:31
kevinbentonso i think basically of enable_snat is false we should always fast exit22:31
armaxhaving said that I wanted to better understand tidwellr’s comment on enable_snat inability to fit the need22:31
kevinbentonif*22:31
dougwig /generate nat/general nat/22:31
armaxcarl_baldwin: maybe you can chime in if tidwellr is unable to jump in here?22:31
kevinbentonthe hesitation around not enabling fast exit with enable_snat =False automatically is asymmetric routing22:31
* tidwellr is lurking22:31
armaxtidwellr: hi22:31
* carl_baldwin soaking in the feedback.22:31
kevinbentonbut IMO asymmetric fast exit is better than non-fast exit22:32
armaxI’d like to understand why you think that enable_snat flag on the router is not fit for the purpuse22:32
armaxtidwellr: this can be hidden to tenant via policy22:32
armaxafaik22:32
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tidwellrthat was feedback I got from someone (can't remember who) in Austin22:32
armaxhttps://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/etc/policy.json#L10022:33
armaxand today it’s admin only22:33
armaxalready22:33
armaxtidwellr: can’t remember who is not acceptable22:33
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armaxwe need SSN and banking details22:33
tidwellrenable_snat was the first place I went to22:33
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carl_baldwinI think the question is, is asymmetric routing ok.22:33
armaxcarl_baldwin: within Neutron or in general?22:34
kevinbentoni would like to argue that it is22:34
tidwellrif you don't want asymmetic routing, use BGP or similar tool22:34
kevinbentonarmax: with Neutron22:34
armaxcarl_baldwin: because asymetric routing has its own use cases22:34
carl_baldwinarmax: Not in general.22:34
armaxcarl_baldwin: right, that’s what I am saying22:34
armax:)22:34
kevinbentonProblem statement: if we fast-exit without the upstream routing knowing how to send back, the return traffic will go through the central node22:35
tidwellrkevinbenton: not necessarily22:35
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tidwellrupstream needs to know to send it back to the central node22:36
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tidwellrthat's not a given22:36
kevinbentontidwellr: that's the use case for enable_snat=False and address scopes22:36
carl_baldwinSo, we could adjust kevin's statement a little.  "with upstream routing knowing how to send it back symmetrically"22:36
kevinbentontidwellr: if you haven't met that criteria, this discussion is irrelevant because you can't even use non fast-exit22:36
carl_baldwinIf there is no reason to conntrack in the router, then maybe it is fine.22:36
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tidwellrkevinbenton: fair enough22:37
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carl_baldwinThere is no NAT so we know we don't need conntrack for that.22:37
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armaximo we’d need to identify what the implications are of asym routing the way it’s advocated in this RFE22:38
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carl_baldwinDVR does asymmetric e/w routing all the time.22:38
armaxperhaps this mode won’t work in conjunction with other services in a Neutron deployment22:38
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tidwellrI think it's sort of irrelevant if we have a way to track whether there is dynamic routing over an external network22:39
tidwellrif we know there is a routing process operating on an external network, we can turn on fast-exit under the covers, otherwise centralize by sending through the SNAT node22:40
carl_baldwintidwellr: But, we could break this in to two steps.  First, enable fast exit optimistically.  Second, try and make it smarter by knowing when there's routing.22:40
tidwellrcarl_baldwin: true22:40
kevinbentontidwellr: not necessarily. fast-exit could still be desirable even without dynamic routing22:40
kevinbentonit fully distributes outbound traffic22:41
armaxok but the other question is, is the enable_snat knob given to operator enough to address this need?22:41
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armaxand whether there’s more modeling required to expose this logically to operators when using DVR only22:41
kevinbentonarmax: i think that comes down to the question of do we need the knob to prevent asymmetric routing22:41
carl_baldwinarmax: + address scope awareness.22:42
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kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: right, this isn't being directly controlled by enable_snat. it's just whenever the router decides it doesn't need to do SNAT22:43
carl_baldwinright22:43
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tidwellrgood point22:43
armaxkevinbenton: when using DVR in conjunction with enable_snat=False, seems to me that the expection is that asym routing is a given, no?22:44
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kevinbentonarmax: well not ATM. right now it goes through the central node which you presumably have a route pointing at for return traffic upstream22:44
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armaxkevinbenton: well, that would have to change to accommodate tidwellr’s use case22:44
kevinbentonarmax: yes, that's what he's proposing changing22:45
armaxbecause at that point you no longer need to stricly do that22:45
kevinbentonarmax: well you need something telling upstream where to send traffic to you22:45
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kevinbentonarmax: so in BGP case it can be specific enough that asymmetric doesn't happen22:46
armaxkevinbenton: but that would need to happen in conjunction with bgp22:46
kevinbentonarmax: but in a single static route case like 'enable_snat=False' now, it will result in asymmetric routing22:46
armaxkevinbenton: right, but asym routing is not a problem in itself22:46
amotokiis there any problem if we start from asynmetric routing?22:47
armaxunless there are services that depend on the symmetry of the flow22:47
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kevinbentonarmax: correct22:47
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kevinbentonamotoki: not that i'm aware of22:47
armaxthing is, what about something like fwaas?22:47
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tidwellrfwiw my thinking was to allow asym routing, then enhance BGP to give you symmetric data flow22:47
kevinbentontidwellr: +122:48
tidwellrBGP will give asym data flow in its current state22:48
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armaxalternatively the asym property can be a property of a dvr router22:49
kevinbenton(we can even install routes on the central node pointing to the compute nodes for each internal IP via the external DVR IP of the compute node which will have the central node generate ICMP redirects)22:49
amotokicombo of DVR and FWaaS alreday has a problem on async route, so i think this does not bring a new problem.22:49
armaxand thus can be controlled on a per-router basis, but I like tidwellr’s idea of leveraging the mechanics of BGP to be explicit on the nature of the packet flow22:49
kevinbentonso if an upstream router honors ICMP redirects then we would eliminate asymmetric22:49
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kevinbentonlet's move on. i think we've generally settled on 'assume asymmetric for DVR'22:50
armaxtidwellr: my feedback would be to try and enable this usecase without API changes :)22:50
* carl_baldwin already gave that feedback strongly. :)22:51
armaxcarl_baldwin: great minds think alike22:51
* tidwellr heard loud and clear22:51
armaxhaving said that though, I don’t want to hinder tidwellr’s ability to address thsi use case22:52
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armaxbut to me it sounds the conversation started on the wrong assumption that enable_snat wasn’t fit for the purpose22:52
carl_baldwinI think we could start with the fast exit optimistically approach.22:52
armaxso we may want to go back on that premise and revise the whole thing22:52
armaxwe in agreement?22:53
carl_baldwinSo, the router does fast exit any time it would not be doing snat.22:53
carl_baldwinI think so.22:53
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: +122:53
armaxso we implicitly assume asym routing unless something else like BGP will rectify the situation?22:53
kevinbentonaye22:54
carl_baldwin++22:54
armaxokeydokey22:54
armaxbug #158058822:54
openstackbug 1580588 in neutron "[RFE] use network's dns_domain to generate dns_assignment" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580588 - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)22:54
armaxanyone cares to elaborate?22:54
carl_baldwinSo, this was a request to use the dns_domain on the network in dnsmasq as the domain.22:54
armaxI must admit I did not see this one22:54
carl_baldwinCurrently, dnsmasq uses the configured domain from neutron.conf, I think.22:55
amotokimy understanding is same22:55
carl_baldwinI actually thought we were going to do this when dns_domain was added to the network.   But, that isn't how it was done.22:55
ihrachyshow is dns_domain currently used? [is it?]22:56
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amotokiit is used for integration with external DNS.22:56
carl_baldwinihrachys: It is used to match up with a domain in designate.22:56
amotokiif a port is created, <hostname>.<dns_name in network> is added to designate.22:57
carl_baldwin^ What amotoki said22:57
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ihrachysI see. so in designate, we don't register a record in zone defined in neutron.conf22:57
mlavallecorrect22:57
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mlavallethe zones used for designate come from network's dns_domain attribute22:58
amotokiexternal dns (desginate) has <host>.<dns_name in network> and internal dns (dnsmasq) has <host>.<dns_name from neutorn.conf> for a same IP addr.22:59
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armaxwe got one minute left22:59
carl_baldwin20 seconds...22:59
armaxdo we take this offline22:59
kevinbentonYa22:59
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kevinbentonWe need to figure out if we change behavior23:00
ihrachyslong term we probably want to get rid of the configuration option in neutron.conf. but it's not clear how to do it, since existing users may rely on that domain being used for dnsmasq. maybe an option for dhcp agent to enable usage of dns_domain? and then switch it on later?23:00
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armax#endmeeting23:00
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armaxthanks folks23:00
amotokithanks23:01
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