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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 08:01:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:02 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:02 |
| eantyshev | hello! | 08:02 |
| lennyb | Hi, Anteaya | 08:02 |
| anteaya | how are you? | 08:02 |
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| lennyb | anteaya: ok, thanks. how are you feeling today? You felt not that weel last time | 08:04 |
| anteaya | thanks feeling better now | 08:05 |
| anteaya | thanks for asking | 08:05 |
| anteaya | what shall we discuss? | 08:05 |
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| eantyshev | our CI wasn't receiving some events last Friday, and we had small talk with jeblair: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2015-07-10.log.html#t2015-07-10T18:10:27 | 08:05 |
| lennyb | I have nothing to discuss | 08:05 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: what was the outcome? | 08:07 |
| anteaya | lennyb: thanks | 08:07 |
| eantyshev | he said that there were 2 connections from Zuul under my CI account, and after some code explorations I think it's normal | 08:08 |
| anteaya | it's normal, what is normal? | 08:09 |
| eantyshev | that zuul process opens 2 simultaneous tcp connections to review.o.o | 08:09 |
| eantyshev | one is for 'gerrit stream-events', and another for 'gerrit query' | 08:10 |
| anteaya | oh | 08:10 |
| anteaya | I didn't know that | 08:10 |
| eantyshev | perhaps, I misunderstood, but I don't think that problem was in that | 08:11 |
| anteaya | so gerrit stream events should be getting all the broadcast events | 08:11 |
| anteaya | is your system getting all the events again? | 08:11 |
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| eantyshev | yes, now it receives much more | 08:12 |
| eantyshev | can not be sure in 100% | 08:12 |
| eantyshev | I mean, no problems nwo | 08:13 |
| anteaya | that is true | 08:13 |
| eantyshev | now | 08:13 |
| anteaya | which repo are you testing? | 08:13 |
| eantyshev | I test cinder and os-brick for now | 08:13 |
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| eantyshev | I also make test changes to ci-sandbox, to illustrate this problem | 08:14 |
| anteaya | do you use patrickeast's tool to evaluate your system? | 08:14 |
| anteaya | thank you for using ci-sandbox | 08:15 |
| eantyshev | so AFAIU it wasn't related to any repo | 08:15 |
| anteaya | that is good to know | 08:15 |
| eantyshev | what tool? | 08:15 |
| lennyb | anteaya: what tool? :) | 08:16 |
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| anteaya | #link http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack%2Fcinder&user=&timeframe=24&start=&end=&page_size= | 08:17 |
| anteaya | sorry I had to find the link | 08:17 |
| anteaya | this tool | 08:17 |
| eantyshev | oh, then I do | 08:17 |
| anteaya | oh good | 08:17 |
| anteaya | it should tell you if you are missing patches | 08:18 |
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| anteaya | it appears you test about half of them | 08:18 |
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| anteaya | would that be accurate, or am I reading the output incorrectly? | 08:19 |
| eantyshev | we have limited hardware resources, so we trigger on explicit "Virtuozzo Storage CI recheck" and on "Build succeeded" comments by Openstack Jenkins | 08:19 |
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| anteaya | ah | 08:20 |
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| anteaya | yes you seem to report on all the jenkins successes | 08:21 |
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| anteaya | so that is good information to look at | 08:22 |
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| anteaya | anything else you want to say on this topic? | 08:22 |
| eantyshev | no, it works now | 08:23 |
| anteaya | okay great | 08:23 |
| anteaya | do we have anything else we want to discuss today? | 08:23 |
| eantyshev | I also want to remind somehow of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148926/ | 08:24 |
| anteaya | I asked in -infra for a review | 08:27 |
| anteaya | best I can do | 08:27 |
| eantyshev | thank you, | 08:27 |
| anteaya | thanks for mentioning it | 08:27 |
| anteaya | and for creating the patch in the first place | 08:27 |
| anteaya | anything else for today? | 08:28 |
| eantyshev | And one more question | 08:28 |
| * anteaya listens | 08:28 | |
| anteaya | lennyb: thanks for the review :) | 08:28 |
| eantyshev | There's ongoing activity on zuulv3: https://review.openstack.org/164371 | 08:28 |
| anteaya | there is a spec and it is being reviewed/developed, yes | 08:29 |
| eantyshev | How soon is it expected to be implemented? | 08:29 |
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| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164371/ | 08:29 |
| anteaya | no idea | 08:29 |
| anteaya | jim is pretty good at writing software but it depends on timing for other things | 08:30 |
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| anteaya | might be this release might be next release | 08:30 |
| anteaya | have you reviewed the spec? | 08:30 |
| anteaya | would be good if you do | 08:30 |
| eantyshev | I did read it, but afraid it covers too much scope for me | 08:31 |
| anteaya | consider offering a comment on the parts you reviewed | 08:32 |
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| anteaya | in the comment state the sections you reviewed and offer your thoughts | 08:32 |
| anteaya | #link http://anteaya.info/blog/2013/03/21/reviewing-an-openstack-patch/ | 08:33 |
| anteaya | I wrote this blog post some time ago with some suggestions along those lines | 08:33 |
| anteaya | if you would like to read it | 08:33 |
| eantyshev | I will, thank you | 08:34 |
| anteaya | thanks for mentioning it | 08:34 |
| anteaya | anything else to discuss today? | 08:34 |
| eantyshev | it is fine for now | 08:35 |
| anteaya | and nothing else from you, lennyb? | 08:35 |
| lennyb | anteaya: yeap | 08:35 |
| anteaya | well always nice to talk with you | 08:35 |
| anteaya | thanks for your continued attendance and participation | 08:36 |
| anteaya | enjoy the rest of the day | 08:36 |
| lennyb | all: have a nice day to | 08:36 |
| anteaya | and see you next week | 08:36 |
| anteaya | lennyb: :) | 08:36 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 08:36:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-14-08.01.html | 08:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-14-08.01.txt | 08:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-14-08.01.log.html | 08:36 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 13:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Qiming | hello, guys | 13:00 |
| lixinhui | hello | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:00 |
| lkarm | hey | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | hi, xinhui and lisa | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | hi, jruano | 13:01 |
| jruano | hello | 13:01 |
| Qiming | everyone please add agenda items to the wiki, if you can access it, :) | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | I was able to add some using a machine located in the states | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | first thing I'd like to update is ... IRC log | 13:03 |
| Qiming | with the merge of this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196993/ | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | now we have IRC logs, ;) | 13:03 |
| Qiming | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23senlin/%23senlin.2015-07-14.log.html | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | cool :) | 13:04 |
| Qiming | it's pretty nice | 13:04 |
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| jruano | very good | 13:04 |
| lkarm | awesome it looks good | 13:05 |
| Qiming | #topic liberty-2 milestone targets | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-liberty-workitems | 13:05 |
| Qiming | so far we have made goo progress on the work items | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:06 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu has proposed some test cases for the policies | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | most of them are already merged | 13:06 |
| jruano | i have a few more test cases that i will add | 13:06 |
| jruano | working on those now | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | that would be great, jruano | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | I will try to work on test case for some drivers after finishing policy realted ones | 13:07 |
| Qiming | driver test cases would be much easier considering the code is not very complex | 13:07 |
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| yanyanhu | so hopefully, we can finish most of the unit tests by the end of liberty2 cycle | 13:08 |
| Qiming | when haiwei is back, hopefully we can get the first phase exception handling landed as well | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | yep, a lot of work, but I'm pretty sure we can make it, :) | 13:09 |
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| yanyanhu | yes :) | 13:09 |
| Qiming | starting tomorrow, I am gonna focus on the scaling policy rework | 13:09 |
| lixinhui | cool | 13:09 |
| Qiming | hopefully, we can get something for review by next time we meet | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | when we were discussing the action triggering mechanism with the heat team | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | there were suggestions to turn to zaqar based notification | 13:10 |
| Qiming | I don't think we can make it by liberty-2 | 13:11 |
| Qiming | we can postpone that to liberty-3 | 13:11 |
| Qiming | for liberty-2, we will make webhook based triggering work | 13:11 |
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| jruano | yes, zaqar support would seem like a big effort | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | my first experience with it was .... not a pleasant one, to be honest | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | I tried their test case by following the instructions in README, it didn't work, there were some multi-processing problem I think | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | the advantage of having zaqar support is that it allows the trigger be sent from anywhere ... | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | #topic documentation - getting started doc | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | now we have the getting started doc covering most frequent operations | 13:15 |
| Qiming | we don't have docs for events, actions and webhooks, I'm leaving that for future work because we may revise the webhook flow somehow | 13:16 |
| Qiming | for events and actions, we only support listing and show operations, pretty straightforward | 13:16 |
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| lixinhui | do we have guidence on policy side? | 13:17 |
| Qiming | may jump back on to this when I'm stuck by the scaling policy work | 13:17 |
| Qiming | yes, lixinhui | 13:17 |
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| lixinhui | good to know, qiming, I will try more on policies in next days | 13:17 |
| Qiming | lixinhui, doc on policy types: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200596/ | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | doc on policy objects: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200801/ | 13:18 |
| lixinhui | okay | 13:18 |
| Qiming | doc on policy bindings: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201009/ | 13:18 |
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| lixinhui | great! | 13:19 |
| Qiming | please feel free to -1 when seeing something wrong, unclear ... | 13:19 |
| lixinhui | :-) | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | #topic update on node placement experiments | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | lixinhui, this is yours | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | \]\\ | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | sorry | 13:20 |
| lixinhui | okay | 13:20 |
| lixinhui | I am running senlin on vsphere nova driver | 13:20 |
| lixinhui | and target to build some demo on smart auto-scaling on vsphere vm placement | 13:21 |
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| lixinhui | first step of this is to enable hint in senlin | 13:22 |
| lixinhui | scheduler_hints | 13:22 |
| Qiming | so the emphasis is on scaling or placement? we are currently treating them as two different policy types | 13:22 |
| Qiming | that is about placement, right? | 13:23 |
| lixinhui | yes | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | em, we have two different polices for them respectively | 13:23 |
| lixinhui | but I think the two types can work together? | 13:23 |
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| lixinhui | right? | 13:23 |
| Qiming | cool, we only have a sketch for the placement policy at the moment | 13:23 |
| lixinhui | :-) | 13:24 |
| Qiming | yes, it was designed to be work separately and cowork together | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | even for a non-scaling cluster, you may still want to control node placement | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | so nova vsphere driver can understand the scheduler_hint from Nova and use it to guide the placement of virtual machine? | 13:25 |
| lixinhui | yes, qiming, we meed discusss more about the design | 13:25 |
| lixinhui | right, yanyan | 13:25 |
| Qiming | okay, it would be great if you can check in your current work, then we can use it as the starting point | 13:26 |
| lixinhui | for demo purpose, we can use server_group to simulate but in future vsphere team should expose more functions from driver to make this work beter | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | right | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | is vsphere using the server_group api from nova? | 13:27 |
| lixinhui | Will do it, qiming | 13:27 |
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| lixinhui | it can work, qiming, I tried it by nova cli | 13:27 |
| Qiming | great | 13:27 |
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| yanyanhu | this will be very good use case for the preliminary version of placement policy | 13:28 |
| lixinhui | Yes, Yanyan:_) | 13:28 |
| Qiming | by the way, Carolyn from IBM has proposed something about cross-az, cross-region placement support in Heat | 13:28 |
| lixinhui | oh | 13:28 |
| Qiming | we may need to support those use cases as well | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:29 |
| lixinhui | how for heat to support the two placement? | 13:29 |
| Qiming | spec here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179250/ | 13:29 |
| lixinhui | what is design difference | 13:29 |
| Qiming | code here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116139/ | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | it is an important feature for managing a group of resources | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | but implementing it in Heat is a little bit cumbersome | 13:30 |
| Qiming | for example, the resource being scaled could be anything | 13:31 |
| Qiming | we can limit the PROFILE_TYPE to 'os.nova.server' in senlin, and see if it works as expected | 13:31 |
| jruano | yes... this request feels like something that should exist in senlin. separate from heat | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | right. if we can support it well, when we add senlin resource type back to Heat, users still can enjoy this feature | 13:32 |
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| jruano | exactly | 13:32 |
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| lixinhui | yes | 13:33 |
| Qiming | the problem as I see it, is the policy itself | 13:33 |
| Qiming | you can base your placement decision on a thousand different factors ... | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | loading balancing, energy efficiency, fault isolation, resource cost .... to name a few | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | so maybe like our lb_policy design, we need to narrow down our scope in the first step | 13:34 |
| Qiming | yes, for "built-in" policy types, we can just support one or two scenarios | 13:35 |
| Qiming | users know best what they want | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | they can provide their own policy plugins | 13:35 |
| jruano | need some sort of importance ranking, or prioritization attribute | 13:35 |
| jruano | user defined | 13:35 |
| Qiming | yes, relative priority among policies of the same type, policies of different types | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | that would be a huge design space, we cannot dictate the usage scenario | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | agree | 13:37 |
| Qiming | so, back to your experiment, lixinhui | 13:37 |
| lixinhui | :-) | 13:37 |
| Qiming | it sounds pretty important to Senlin | 13:37 |
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| lixinhui | yes, firstly, we have to enable scheluler_hints | 13:38 |
| Qiming | please let us know if you need more hands and/or eyes on that | 13:38 |
| lixinhui | great! | 13:38 |
| Qiming | okay, let's move on | 13:38 |
| lixinhui | I definitely will need help from all of you | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | #topic update on interlock with TOSCA team | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | jruano helped bridge us to the TOSCA team last week | 13:39 |
| Qiming | we had some very interesting discussions around the policy and policy type support | 13:39 |
| jruano | yes so a big use case tosca is looking at right now is node updates | 13:39 |
| Qiming | both from a standard standingpoint and from senlin's implementation perspective | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | it was very timely a discussion | 13:40 |
| jruano | very much... my colleague matt had some discussions with customers last week, and they are all very interested in senlin | 13:41 |
| Qiming | that sounds nice | 13:41 |
| jruano | policies are very important to them in terms of cloud management | 13:41 |
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| jruano | so a first step may be proving out a node update modeled in tosca, with senlin as the engine | 13:42 |
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| jruano | i will keep this moving forward and report updates back to the team | 13:43 |
| Qiming | thanks, jruano | 13:44 |
| Qiming | we will keep an eye on the tosca standard, be conformant to it when possible | 13:44 |
| Qiming | jruano, you will set up a regular call for us with the TOSCA team, right? | 13:44 |
| jruano | i will do that | 13:45 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:45 |
| jruano | a checkpoint call | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | okay, it would be great if we can read some WIP documents they have | 13:45 |
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| jruano | sure i can send out a link to the team | 13:46 |
| Qiming | great | 13:47 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussions | 13:47 |
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| lixinhui | Jruano, could you help to include me inside the maillist? lxinhui@vmware.com | 13:47 |
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| jruano | will do lixinhui | 13:48 |
| lixinhui | Thanks. | 13:48 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, I think maybe we need to further cleanse the setup progress of Senlin service to make its installation easy | 13:49 |
| Qiming | guys, if you haven't "watch" senlin and python-senlinclient projects in your gerrit setting, please do so | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | especially by using devstack | 13:49 |
| Qiming | TBH, I haven't tried that yet | 13:49 |
| lixinhui | how? | 13:50 |
| lixinhui | by devstack | 13:50 |
| Qiming | the devstack plugin was contributed by elynn | 13:50 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, I think most of us meet some problems when first time setup senlin ;) | 13:50 |
| Qiming | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/senlin/tree/devstack/README.rst | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | maybe this can be a work item targets on libert-3 | 13:51 |
| lixinhui | yes, I know, I works well | 13:51 |
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| lixinhui | It works well | 13:51 |
| Qiming | lixinhui, you have tried it? | 13:51 |
| Qiming | \o/ | 13:51 |
| lixinhui | yes | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | I also haven't tested it yet... | 13:51 |
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| yanyanhu | cool | 13:52 |
| jruano | oh it works great for me | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | this is great :) | 13:52 |
| Qiming | cool, I had a link to the README.rst file in the getting started doc: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/senlin/tree/doc/source/getting_started/install.rst#n25 | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | I will also try it later | 13:52 |
| Qiming | any other outstanding issues? | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | bugs? | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | not yet. But I guess we might meet some after we start testing cluster scaling/updating with scaling/lb policies attched | 13:55 |
| Qiming | okay, future bugs for future meetings | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | sure :) | 13:55 |
| Qiming | I think we can release this channel now | 13:55 |
| Qiming | thanks for participating | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 13:55:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-07-14-13.00.html | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-07-14-13.00.txt | 13:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2015/senlin.2015-07-14-13.00.log.html | 13:56 |
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| mestery | hi | 14:00 |
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| fawadkhaliq | hello! | 14:00 |
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| yushiro | Hi , all | 14:00 |
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| mestery | Lets get this party started! | 14:00 |
| amotoki_ | hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 14:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| mwang2 | 0/ | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:01 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #info Liberty-2 is approaching us at a fast clip, slated for approx. July 29 | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
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| mestery | That's the main announcement I've got, does anyone have anything else? | 14:02 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move right into the juicy bugs | 14:02 |
| mestery | We have a few of those | 14:02 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 14:02 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1465434 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1465434 in neutron "DVR issues with supporting multiple subnets per network on DVR routers - PortbindingContext does not have the status." [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 14:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 14:03 |
| mestery | Swami has a patch posted for this one | 14:03 |
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| mestery | haleyb carl_baldwin: Have you guys had a chance to review this one yet? | 14:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we’re close to merging this one. | 14:03 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Will this one fix the DVR job by chance? | 14:03 |
| mestery | It passes it I see | 14:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Yes! | 14:03 |
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| mestery | I see yamamoto is also commenting on this one | 14:04 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin yamamoto: Can you two work with Swami to get this in shape and merged this week? | 14:04 |
| haleyb | yes, there were some comments last night and it will need an update, but it's close. i'm commenting again now | 14:04 |
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| mestery | Would be good to get DVR stable so we can monitor it and MAKE IT VOTING! | 14:04 |
| mestery | thanks haleyb! | 14:04 |
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| mestery | #action carl_baldwin haleyb yamamoto to work with Swami on 1465434 to merge it, enabling us to watch the DVR job for a week and MAKE IT VOTING. | 14:04 |
| mestery | Awesome | 14:05 |
| mestery | Next up | 14:05 |
| mestery | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468433 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468433 in neutron "Pre reference plugin code movement" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 14:05 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468433 | 14:05 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 14:05 |
| mestery | I filed this one, and a lot of patches have gone in here | 14:05 |
| mestery | I see it's assigned to ZZelle now, who isn't in this channel | 14:05 |
| ihrachyshka | what's missing? | 14:05 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Exactly | 14:05 |
| mestery | I don't know why ZZelle assigned it to himself | 14:05 |
| mestery | I'll comment in the bug since he's not here. | 14:06 |
| yamamoto | the bug has a lot of feature branch commits. which is the real one to look? | 14:06 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery, it was infra, some patch was sent for review that mentioned the bug I guess | 14:06 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: Ah, ok | 14:06 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: probably he just pushed a patch trargeting it | 14:06 |
| mestery | Yeah, I think so too | 14:06 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: I think we can close this one now, do you agree? | 14:07 |
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| ihrachyshka | nothing that I see now | 14:07 |
| ihrachyshka | I mean, no work I see not done | 14:07 |
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| mestery | Right | 14:08 |
| mestery | Next up | 14:08 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1470186 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470186 in neutron "Pylint 1.4.1 broken due to new logilab.common 1.0.0 release" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Assaf Muller (amuller) | 14:08 |
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| mestery | Looks like amuller's series of patches are in flight here | 14:08 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197226/ | 14:08 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197227/ | 14:09 |
| mestery | markmcclain: If you're around, could use your g+r help on 197226. :) | 14:09 |
| mestery | OK, next up | 14:09 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1461172 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1461172 in neutron "neutron.tests.functional.agent.test_l3_agent.MetadataL3AgentTestCase.test_access_to_metadata_proxy times out intermittently" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Assaf Muller (amuller) | 14:09 |
| mestery | Also amuller's :) | 14:10 |
| ihrachyshka | he is the test blametenant | 14:10 |
| mestery | lol | 14:10 |
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| mestery | And finally: | 14:11 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1466663 | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1466663 in neutron "radvd exits -1 intermittently in test_ha_router_process_ipv6_subnets_to_existing_port functional test" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Sridhar Gaddam (sridhargaddam) | 14:11 |
| mestery | With review: | 14:11 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193624/ | 14:11 |
| SridharG | mestery: I've updated my comments. I would appreciate if other reviewers take a look at it. | 14:11 |
| mestery | SridharG: Yes, looks like you replied to Assaf. Given his comment, I'd like to see a reply from him before this merges as well. | 14:11 |
| ihrachyshka | just asked him on #openstack-neutron | 14:12 |
| mestery | We have 2 bugs tagged as "linuxbridge-gate-parity", lets cover thsoe now. | 14:12 |
| mestery | thanks ihrachyshka | 14:12 |
| SridharG | ihrachyshka: sure, thanks. | 14:12 |
| mestery | First up | 14:12 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1312016 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1312016 in neutron "nova libvirtError: Unable to add bridge brqxxx-xx port tapxxx-xx: Device or resource busy" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 14:12 |
| mestery | sc68cal: ^^^^ | 14:12 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193485/ | 14:13 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: That review is yours it appears :) | 14:13 |
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| mestery | This one looks like it's actively being worked on at least | 14:14 |
| sc68cal | Yep - although my updated patches are probably bad | 14:14 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery, sc68cal was kind to take the faulty patch from me | 14:14 |
| mestery | :) | 14:14 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, we now have two faulty versions | 14:14 |
| sc68cal | :) | 14:14 |
| mestery | 2 wrongs make a right? | 14:14 |
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| sc68cal | so, I'll be poking at it a little longer | 14:15 |
| mestery | Thanks sc68cal and ihrachyshka | 14:15 |
| mestery | I don't see emagana around, so lets skip docs today and head right into the juicy part of the meeting | 14:15 |
| mestery | I'll try not to wake anyone up as we finish the meeting. | 14:15 |
| mestery | #topic Pecan WSGI Refactor | 14:15 |
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| mestery | blogan: Hi there! Around? | 14:15 |
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| blogan | mestery: yes | 14:15 |
| mestery | blogan: Excellent! | 14:15 |
| mestery | Can you update the team on what's going on here? | 14:16 |
| mestery | Status updatE? | 14:16 |
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| blogan | basically just gettin the right master merges commits in so it passes the checks, but the reviews up now will still require some more additional work to get service plugins working | 14:17 |
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| mestery | So the plan is to get service plugins working, merge back to master and create a job which uses the pecan WSGI | 14:17 |
| mestery | Stablize that, make it voting, then switch? | 14:17 |
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| blogan | mestery: i believe there are other things that probably need to get working as well, like notifications i believe | 14:18 |
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| mestery | blogan: OK, could you and kevinbenton put an etherpad or devref together with what's left? | 14:18 |
| blogan | mestery: sure | 14:18 |
| mestery | #action blogan and kevinbenton to put an etherpad or devref together to track remaining pecan work and plan of record | 14:19 |
| mestery | thanks blogan! | 14:19 |
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| mestery | Any questions for blogan on the pecan work? | 14:19 |
| blogan | but yeah once we get those gaps closed then the steps you outlined sound appropriate | 14:19 |
| mestery | Awesome | 14:19 |
| salv-orlando | blogan: I gave you my first review! | 14:20 |
| salv-orlando | and obviopusly it's a -1 ;) | 14:20 |
| blogan | salv-orlando: yes! it wouldn't be appropriate if it was a +1 :) | 14:20 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I hope it also included your charming pedantry :) | 14:20 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: lots of that | 14:20 |
| mestery | Heh :) | 14:20 |
| blogan | lol | 14:20 |
| ihrachyshka | I die for it. it's so scarse lately | 14:20 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Be careful what you wish for | 14:21 |
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| ihrachyshka | RIGHT, NOT FOR QOS | 14:21 |
| mestery | And thanks to blogan and kevinbenton for working on the pecan switch. :) | 14:21 |
| mestery | #topic QoS | 14:21 |
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| mestery | ihrachyshka: Speaking of Qos ... | 14:21 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka ajo: Can you give us an update on this now? | 14:21 |
| mestery | Where are things at? | 14:21 |
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| ihrachyshka | ajo, go ahead, stage is yours | 14:22 |
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| ihrachyshka | hm. ok, I'll back up ajo. So we are working on the feature, slowly but steadily. | 14:22 |
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| ihrachyshka | we sent a plan for merge back setting how we see the approaching merge-back: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069188.html | 14:23 |
| ihrachyshka | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069188.html | 14:23 |
| ihrachyshka | we also have an email setting immediate priorities for those who track branch: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069234.html | 14:23 |
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| ihrachyshka | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/069234.html | 14:23 |
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| ajo | ihrachyshka, thanks, sorry, I was totally off-stage writing devref ;) | 14:23 |
| * ajo reads | 14:24 | |
| ihrachyshka | we have almost all functional pieces on server side in, and some agent pieces | 14:24 |
| ihrachyshka | we will work closely with amuller to get fullstack before merge-back | 14:24 |
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| mestery | ajo ihrachyshka: I know armax wanted to check out how you were using callbacks here, I spoke with him on this last week, I'll poke him to review those portions soon | 14:24 |
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| ihrachyshka | and ajo is working on devref ^^ that would provide more than enough details about the feature and its design | 14:24 |
| ajo | yes, that's going to provide a lot of context on how we're doing that | 14:24 |
| mestery | This is all really good stuff! | 14:24 |
| ihrachyshka | mestery, yes, that's one of priorities set by ajo | 14:25 |
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| mestery | Cool | 14:25 |
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| ajo | the last message we sent to list mike kolesnik and me can be ignored for now, we're not going to need so many callbacks | 14:25 |
| ihrachyshka | so, all in all, lots of cool bits to crunch, and we look forward to right after L2 when we want to consider the feature for merge | 14:25 |
| ajo | just AFTER_READ which will be overruled by the new armax design on that | 14:25 |
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| mestery | Cool | 14:25 |
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| ajo | I want to say, ihrachyshka is doing an amazing job forward to automate any future versioned object usage in neutron | 14:26 |
| regXboi | sorry for being late folks - quick question - where are the rate calculations done? at the ingress port, I assume? | 14:26 |
| mestery | ajo: That's because ihrachyshka is awesome, I've already told him that too :) | 14:26 |
| ajo | he is :) | 14:26 |
| ajo | regXboi, it's all port egress for now | 14:26 |
| ajo | regXboi, we may want to support ingress in the future, and other type of limitings with guarantees | 14:27 |
| ajo | but one bit at a time :) | 14:27 |
| ihrachyshka | ok, that's how 'making project hard to understand' sounds like | 14:27 |
| mestery | Slow and steady | 14:27 |
| ihrachyshka | "automate any future versioned object usage" | 14:27 |
| ajo | regXboi: egress from the VM perspective | 14:27 |
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| ajo | sorry :D | 14:27 |
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| ajo | I was meaning, "make it super easy and clean" | 14:28 |
| regXboi | ajo: thanks - there is a spec running around talking about replicating packets across ports and I was worried about how it might interact with this | 14:28 |
| ihrachyshka | I think we should leave the stage unless there are more questions/concerns for qos | 14:28 |
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| ajo | ack | 14:28 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: Agreed | 14:28 |
| mestery | Thanks for the update folks! | 14:28 |
| mestery | regXboi: Comment further on reviews or in #openstack-neutron with ihrachyshka and ajo | 14:28 |
| mestery | :) | 14:28 |
| mestery | Moving along in the agenda | 14:28 |
| regXboi | mestery: no worries | 14:28 |
| mestery | #topic Flavor Framework | 14:28 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139758/ | 14:29 |
| mestery | I'm hopeful that this will merge this week when dougwig blogan and others look at it while at the mid-cycle for services in Seattle. | 14:29 |
| mestery | I've been reviewing it and it's in good shape, thanks to madhu for his work on it! | 14:29 |
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| mestery | I encourage others to review as well | 14:29 |
| markmcclain | mestery: I've taken a 1st look and will review it this week too | 14:30 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Sweet, thanks! | 14:30 |
| mestery | The rest of the agenda looks a little old, so lets move on to ... | 14:31 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:31 |
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| markmcclain | I've added +2 to pylint update | 14:31 |
| regXboi | mestery: who is the pep8 expert? | 14:31 |
| ihrachyshka | one thing I had in mind for other folks... online-schema-migrations spec is just merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192937/ | 14:31 |
| ajo | ++ | 14:32 |
| * regXboi wants to examine the possibility of getting rid of magic constants | 14:32 | |
| ihrachyshka | and there is neutron patch hopefully going in in the future: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194198/ | 14:32 |
| yushiro | mestery, I've already updated my RFE - bug. I'd like to ask some review :-) | 14:32 |
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| mestery | regXboi: There are many, you could talk to gus among many :) | 14:32 |
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| anteaya | mestery: can we talk about the get-me-a-network spec implimentation a minute? it would be nice to have something to admire a nova mid-cycle | 14:32 |
| yushiro | mestery, RFE - Packet logging API for Neutron - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468366 | 14:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468366 in neutron "RFE - Packet logging API for Neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2) | 14:32 |
| ihrachyshka | and it will influence everyone who has migrations a bit, so please take a look to be prepared | 14:32 |
| mestery | yushiro: The drivers team will be reviewing RFE bugs in the drivers meeting following this meeting (carl_baldwin to lead as I'm out of the office the rest of the day following this meeting) | 14:32 |
| vikram | Feedback for flow-classifier | 14:33 |
| mestery | anteaya: Yes! I think we'll want to make sure haleyb is here too | 14:33 |
| anteaya | is here, at nova mid-cycle? | 14:33 |
| yushiro | mestery, I see. thank you for your reply. | 14:33 |
| mestery | vikram: We tried to talk flow-classifier last week but you weren't here :( If you're here now, lets do that post Get-Me-A-Network | 14:33 |
| mestery | anteaya: No, in this meeting | 14:33 |
| vikram | mestery: thanks | 14:33 |
| mestery | anteaya: carl_baldwin and I and sc68cal will be at nova mid-cycle | 14:33 |
| anteaya | ah | 14:33 |
| anteaya | haleyb: are you here? | 14:33 |
| anteaya | I thought I saw you | 14:33 |
| haleyb | yes, i'm here | 14:33 |
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| anteaya | yay | 14:33 |
| mestery | anteaya: Please go ahead | 14:34 |
| anteaya | any thoughts on implementation for the group? | 14:34 |
| salv-orlando | to tell that I'm interested in a RFE I do have to leave a comment, is that right? | 14:34 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: That sounds right | 14:34 |
| xgerman | we need reviews | 14:34 |
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| anteaya | we mostly I just wanted to know where we are so we have a chance at having something for next week | 14:34 |
| anteaya | haleyb: do we have anything for anyone to look at? | 14:34 |
| salv-orlando | thanks mestery. I was just wondering whether actually subscribing to the bug makes sense at all, since every neutron bug has hundreds of automatic subscrivers | 14:35 |
| anteaya | or an idea of when they might have something to look at? | 14:35 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: IT may, depending on how good your email filters work. :) | 14:35 |
| yushiro | carl_baldwin, hi. currently, I've update my RFE-bug. would you confirm later ? ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468366 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468366 in neutron "RFE - Packet logging API for Neutron" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Yushiro FURUKAWA (y-furukawa-2) | 14:35 |
| pc_m | mestery: I have a Dev Ref for RFE. Is it on the list for review by Driver's team? (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944/) | 14:35 |
| carl_baldwin | yushiro: pc_m: We’ll have a look. | 14:36 |
| mestery | pc_m: Your bug is already approved | 14:36 |
| regXboi | mestery: before we break up - i've got another potential elephant - use of shell | 14:36 |
| haleyb | when i had talked to people at the mid-cycle (like mark) we were going to need some way for nova to indicate it is making a "special" request to neutron, so i need to talk this over with him again as to what that looks like | 14:36 |
| mestery | It's "In Progress" see comment #8 | 14:36 |
| haleyb | anteaya: ^^ | 14:36 |
| pc_m | mestery: This is DevRef commit for it. | 14:36 |
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| mestery | pc_m: We'll review as normal | 14:36 |
| yushiro | carl_baldwin, thank you! and, I've already implemented about my RFE-bug :-) | 14:36 |
| anteaya | markmcclain: when do you have time to talk to haleyb to help him get what he needs? | 14:37 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: sure, but I was talking about the subscriber list on the bug report. Still, it's ajust a curiosity, let's leave it aside. A comment is all we need. | 14:37 |
| mestery | pc_m: In fact, I've already reviewed that one in fact | 14:37 |
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| pc_m | mestery: Posing several approaches and seeking review. Wondering if on the list to be reviewed - be up since 7/8 | 14:37 |
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| haleyb | anteaya: i feel there are too many talking at once now | 14:37 |
| mestery | I agree | 14:37 |
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| anteaya | haleyb: yes | 14:37 |
| anteaya | markmcclain: are you still about? | 14:37 |
| * salv-orlando thinks the main topic now is "get me a bloody network" | 14:38 | |
| mestery | #topic Get Me a Network | 14:38 |
| mestery | Folks, lets talk "Get Me a Network" now | 14:38 |
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| mestery | And move on to something else next | 14:38 |
| anteaya | mestery: thanks | 14:38 |
| yushiro | pc_m, thank you :-) | 14:38 |
| mestery | anteaya haleyb: Continue | 14:38 |
| yushiro | mestery, thanks | 14:38 |
| anteaya | waiting to hear from markmcclain | 14:38 |
| pc_m | mestery: Yes, you've looked at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191944/, but current version is awaiting review. | 14:38 |
| markmcclain | anteaya: yes... I can try to catch up with haleyb tomorrow | 14:38 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 14:38 |
| anteaya | haleyb: does tomorrow work for you? | 14:38 |
| haleyb | anteaya: yes, that works | 14:38 |
| anteaya | and I will check in with you both on Thursday | 14:39 |
| anteaya | and thank you | 14:39 |
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| anteaya | mestery: got what I needed | 14:39 |
| haleyb | i will send an email to mark about my thoughts | 14:39 |
| anteaya | let's move on | 14:39 |
| mestery | haleyb anteaya markmcclain: Thanks! | 14:39 |
| mestery | Yes | 14:39 |
| anteaya | haleyb: can I get cc'd on that please | 14:39 |
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| mestery | moving along | 14:39 |
| mestery | #topic Flow Classifier | 14:39 |
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| mestery | vikram: You're up | 14:39 |
| anteaya | haleyb: just to follow along | 14:39 |
| vikram | I have posted a link "https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/flow-classifier" for comments | 14:39 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/flow-classifier | 14:39 |
| vikram | need feedback :-) | 14:40 |
| mestery | #info Looking for feedback on flow classifier etherpad | 14:40 |
| vikram | that's all .. | 14:40 |
| mestery | Thanks vikram! | 14:40 |
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| mestery | Who else had something to cover so I change the topic? | 14:41 |
| mestery | Anyone? | 14:41 |
| mestery | 18.5 minutes left or so | 14:41 |
| regXboi | mestery: shell? | 14:41 |
| mestery | #topic Shell Usage | 14:41 |
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| mestery | regXboi: Floor is yours :) | 14:41 |
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| regXboi | is anybody else concerned about how much we use shell underneath the code base? | 14:41 |
| mestery | Yes | 14:41 |
| mestery | Most of us are | 14:41 |
| mestery | You're talking in things like the agent? | 14:42 |
| regXboi | that's going to be a very big impediment to scale | 14:42 |
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| regXboi | I'm talking prettty much everywhere | 14:42 |
| mestery | E.g. in ip_lib and ovs_lib? | 14:42 |
| mestery | Right | 14:42 |
| mestery | Do you want to replace it with an Apache 2 licensded python library? | 14:42 |
| mestery | Which uses netlink or something like it? | 14:42 |
| neiljerram | Sometimes the issue is licensing. | 14:42 |
| haleyb | pyroute2 ? | 14:42 |
| neiljerram | E.g. python-iptables is GPL, I believe | 14:42 |
| regXboi | yes, I think we need to spin something to look at replacing it | 14:42 |
| ihrachyshka | for ovs_lib, it's not the case IF you use native implementation | 14:42 |
| regXboi | it may depend on the particular component | 14:43 |
| mestery | Like this? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyroute2 | 14:43 |
| markmcclain | regXboi: I think there's a difference in just using shell and how we're using it | 14:43 |
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| regXboi | markmcclain: I sort of agree - | 14:43 |
| mestery | ihrachyshka: That's only for the portions talking ovsdb, we still use shell for the openflow bits, right? | 14:43 |
| mestery | e.g. ovs-ofctl? | 14:43 |
| regXboi | markmcclain: I'm thinking this is yet another refactor staring us in the face, but I'm not yet sure just how big it is | 14:44 |
| ihrachyshka | well, I'm not the best candidate to answer to it :) otherwiseguy ^^ | 14:44 |
| markmcclain | regXboi: it's sizeable | 14:44 |
| mestery | I think that's the case | 14:44 |
| regXboi | markmcclain, mestery - I'm thinking that may be something to look at for M | 14:44 |
| mestery | yamamoto's patch to move us to ryu would eliminate the ovs-ofctl usage as well | 14:44 |
| yamamoto | mestery: yes | 14:44 |
| * otherwiseguy looks | 14:44 | |
| mestery | yamamoto: Do you have a link for that patch so regXboi can eyheball it? | 14:45 |
| mestery | *eyeball | 14:45 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153946/ | 14:45 |
| * regXboi looks for his eyhes | 14:45 | |
| regXboi | yamamoto: thanks, I've got it queued for review later this morning | 14:45 |
| mestery | thanks yamamoto | 14:45 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154354/ | 14:46 |
| regXboi | mestery: the other thing is the magic constant issue | 14:46 |
| otherwiseguy | There is also the privilege separation patch, which last I heard was going to be an oslo project? Haven't looked in a while. | 14:46 |
| regXboi | but I think we can do that offline/another day | 14:46 |
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| mestery | Ack | 14:46 |
| regXboi | markmcclain, mestery: would it make sense to catalog the shell usage in an etherpad to scope the size of what we are looking at? | 14:47 |
| mestery | regXboi: Please do | 14:47 |
| markmcclain | ++ | 14:47 |
| mestery | #action regXboi to categorize shell usage in etherpad | 14:47 |
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| mestery | OK, I think that's it for this week folks. | 14:48 |
| * regXboi plants foot in quicksand :) | 14:48 | |
| john-davidge | I’d like to raise #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1471316 if there’s time | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471316 in neutron "_get_subnetpool_id does not return None when a cidr is specified and a subnetpool_id isn't." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 14:48 |
| * mestery looks | 14:48 | |
| john-davidge | Consensus since last week seems to be that this isn’t a bug, but an intened API change | 14:48 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: ^^^^ | 14:48 |
| john-davidge | Personally I think that’s going to be confusing forusers, but I’m willing to accept the consensus | 14:49 |
| amotoki_ | I dont' think it is a good idea to make some field visible/invisible conditionally. | 14:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: I looked at the tables on both the bug and the spec before the week-end and then had to leave it. Need to come back to it. | 14:49 |
| john-davidge | That said, I’ve proposed a fix to devstack to account for the change #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199038/ | 14:49 |
| mestery | Thanks carl_baldwin. john-davidge, you're in good hands | 14:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | amotoki: Could you elaborate with a comment in the bug report? | 14:50 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks folks! | 14:51 |
| amotoki_ | carl_baldwin: yes. am following the discussion | 14:51 |
| regXboi | bye all | 14:51 |
| mestery | Keep the reviews coming as we near Liberty-2! | 14:51 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 14:51:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| yamamoto | bye | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-14-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-14-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-07-14-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:01 |
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| neiljerram | o/ | 15:01 |
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| amotoki_ | hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | It took me a minute to confirm which meeting room. | 15:02 |
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| amotoki_ | it is a correct channel http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Neutron_drivers_Meeting | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | amotoki_: Yes, the page has two channels and times listed. I didn’t see the second one until now. | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron-drivers | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 15:04:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic wiki | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will fix up the wiki after the meeting to show the correct time and channel. | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: dougwig: ping | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | amotoki_: Just the two of us from the drivers team so far. :) | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Get me a Network | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: sc68cal: Are you around? | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/196803 | 15:06 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: in three places at once :) | 15:06 |
| sc68cal | carl_baldwin: looking | 15:06 |
| amotoki_ | haleyb: :-) | 15:07 |
| haleyb | that looks like the dvr patch | 15:07 |
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| haleyb | oh, it's not | 15:07 |
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| amotoki_ | it was merged. I just wonders where we are collecting infomration. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like it was approved. Do we need to discuss it further here? | 15:08 |
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| sc68cal | I'm good with it | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | amotoki_: What sort of information? Design? | 15:08 |
| haleyb | i need to work on the RFE, but wanted to discuss with mark mcclain about some options | 15:08 |
| amotoki_ | carl_baldwin: which blueprint? which bug? | 15:08 |
| -amotoki_- just looking for links | 15:09 | |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Is the rfe filed? If so, do you have URL? | 15:09 |
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| haleyb | carl_baldwin: no, it's not filed yet | 15:09 |
| amotoki_ | we need to have a RFE bug to track the progress. | 15:10 |
| amotoki_ | haleyb: could you file it? | 15:10 |
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| haleyb | amotoki: i will do it by tomorrow | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Thanks. | 15:11 |
| amotoki_ | haleyb: thanks | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Segmented, L3-Only routed networks | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | I feel like we got good consensus on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196812 | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Do you have the link handy to yours? | 15:12 |
| neiljerram | Just a mo... | 15:12 |
| amotoki_ | carl_baldwin: i could not find time to review it last week. will look it. | 15:12 |
| neiljerram | carl_baldwin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198439/ | 15:12 |
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| sc68cal | neiljerram: I saw the conversation posted in the comments between you and carl_baldwin - the takeaway I got was that the implementation will differ, but does it have to differ all the way up into the API? | 15:14 |
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| neiljerram | sc68cal: I don't think we know that yet. But certainly the use cases differ a bit. | 15:15 |
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| sc68cal | nibalizer: thanks - I guess I want to at least keep it to one kob or dial to cover both your usecases, if at all possible | 15:15 |
| sc68cal | *knob | 15:15 |
| neiljerram | sc68cal: Well I'm personally absolutely open to that. | 15:16 |
| * sc68cal has regrets sometimes about the two ipv6 attrs | 15:16 | |
| neiljerram | sc68cal: Ah yes, indeed, I wondered about those :-) | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | sc68cal: I think that knob is the network type. Each of our proposals uses a different provider network type to distinguish. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | The way my proposal models segments with Neutron networks doesn’t seem to make sense for a pure L3 network. | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | sc68cal: | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | Is there more you might suggest? | 15:17 |
| * sc68cal is pulling up carl_baldwin's spec | 15:17 | |
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| carl_baldwin | neiljerram: Is there an rfe filed for this? My quick glance over the list didn’t see one. | 15:18 |
| neiljerram | sc68cal: But I'm concerned we're getting slightly ahead of ourselves... In this meeting, what I'd really appreciate is just a decision on whether I can continue work on my use case, and if so in what form (a spec?) | 15:18 |
| neiljerram | Yes, there is an RFE... | 15:18 |
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| amotoki_ | i haven't follow both of them, but it seems we need a bug for neiljerram case and if possible we need to coordinate both | 15:18 |
| neiljerram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1472704 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472704 in neutron "Support networks that work through routing instead of bridging" [Undecided,New] | 15:18 |
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| markmcclain | hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as spec'd this will break lots of apis | 15:19 |
| * carl_baldwin would’ve found it had I searched for routing instead of routed. | 15:19 | |
| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: elaborate? | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: One or the other or both? In what way? | 15:20 |
| markmcclain | 196812 | 15:20 |
| markmcclain | the front network is supposed to hide the backing networks | 15:20 |
| markmcclain | but teh port info object will have the backing networks as the network_id | 15:20 |
| markmcclain | so tooling will break where it's trying to find the network_id | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: dougwig: amotoki_: BTW, did we ever write down a decoder for the various rfe bug statuses and other bug fields? | 15:21 |
| kevinbenton | Not that I know of | 15:21 |
| markmcclain | even if we lie in the response and return the front net-id it will break the internals of many plugins | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: The network still exists. The only thing that hides it is the owner is admin and it is not shared. Do the plugins expect it to be visible to the tenant? | 15:22 |
| markmcclain | yes | 15:23 |
| markmcclain | otherwise when I do port-list as a tenant I think I'm getting bad data | 15:23 |
| markmcclain | because there is no way to correlate the port to a network | 15:23 |
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| kevinbenton | So main issue is that we lose whatever parent network the person requested? | 15:24 |
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| markmcclain | right | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: Please add that feedback to the review and we can discuss further. This had crossed my mind and we should discuss it more. | 15:24 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: check out _model_query in the base plugin | 15:26 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: that's the bit that scopes db queries to tenants | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Let’s add this feedback to the review and continue there. | 15:27 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: which lots of plugins use | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | We also need more input on neiljerram ’s rfe, especially how it relates to this one. amotoki_: will you review them? sc68cal: Will you try to elaborate on what you think needs to improve? | 15:29 |
| amotoki_ | carl_baldwin: sure | 15:30 |
| neiljerram | amotoki_: Thanks | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ll discuss again next week and collecting some more thoughts. | 15:30 |
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| neiljerram | Shall I put up a Gerrit job as a spec, though? | 15:30 |
| neiljerram | I think that's probably a more useful format than an RFE bug? | 15:31 |
| amotoki_ | neiljerram: what do you mean? elaborate? | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: amotoki_: Would a spec help? spec, devref? I’m confused about what the process should be myself. | 15:32 |
| amotoki_ | carl_baldwin: me too. we need to calrify we use neutron-sepcs or devref to discuss details. | 15:33 |
| neiljerram | amotoki_: Well, so far I've followed a slightly confused process here. I began as a devref, because that's what Carl's similar spec was. | 15:33 |
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| sc68cal | carl_baldwin: I think your point about it just being a type inside the provider attrs is correct | 15:33 |
| sc68cal | so I think my concern is addressed | 15:33 |
| neiljerram | Neutron process is to file an RFE, but I think part of the motivation there is to allow folk to describe _what_ they want when they don't yet know _how_ to achieve that. | 15:34 |
| amotoki_ | neiljerram: good point. | 15:34 |
| neiljerram | In my case, I already have a good idea how to achieve it, so suspect that a spec (or devref) is the better format. | 15:34 |
| amotoki_ | personally specs repo works more because neutron repo has many reviews. | 15:34 |
| neiljerram | (Although also very open to people telling me that there is a better way!) | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sounds like we still don’t have consensus on when a spec vs devref should be used. | 15:35 |
| kevinbenton | I'm fine with either | 15:35 |
| kevinbenton | If it's in neutron I will actually pay more attention to it | 15:36 |
| kevinbenton | I always forget to look at neutron-specs | 15:36 |
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| neiljerram | kevinbenton: You're definitely pushing me one way! :-) | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’m fine with either and I propose that we keep the devref linked to the rfe for now and we’ll follow up to clarify the process. | 15:37 |
| kevinbenton | neiljerram: Yeah, the rfe is where quit if you don't care about the implementation | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will follow up to clarify when specs should be used and when devrefs. | 15:37 |
| kevinbenton | neiljerram: since you want to develop this, writing the spec/devref makes more sense | 15:37 |
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| neiljerram | OK, great, thanks. I'll carry on with the devref for now. | 15:37 |
| amotoki_ | i am fine with either. once the process is clarified. | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Let’s move on. There are a bunch of other rfes. | 15:38 |
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| * carl_baldwin is still confused about rfe bug “status”, “importance”, and “milestone" | 15:40 | |
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| carl_baldwin | There are three rfe bugs marked “new” | 15:40 |
| -amotoki_- am confused too | 15:40 | |
| carl_baldwin | One is the one we’ve just been discussing. | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | Here is the next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468934 | 15:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468934 in neutron "Neutron might use robust quota enforcement" [Wishlist,New] | 15:41 |
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| amotoki_ | it is about better quotas blueprint and just a conversion. I think we can mark it as triaged. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like this is salv-orlando ’s long lost rfe. | 15:42 |
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| kevinbenton | I think this is good | 15:43 |
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| amotoki_ | I changed it to Triaged. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyone have a link to the bug handy? | 15:43 |
| neiljerram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468934 | 15:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468934 in neutron "Neutron might use robust quota enforcement" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:44 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: yeah I was submitting bugs against vmware-nsx and ended up reporting the rfe against vmware-nsx too! | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | s/bug/bp/ | 15:44 |
| kevinbenton | Because right now anyone can get (number of API workers in the entire datacenter) over their quota | 15:44 |
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| neiljerram | Is this the BP? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/better-quotas | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | So, are we beating a dead horse here? salv-orlando, was this already approved? | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | If not, I’m +1 for this and I think it is good. | 15:46 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: the spec was approved for kilo. I failed resubmitting it by liberty-1 and then filed a RFE | 15:46 |
| kevinbenton | +1 | 15:46 |
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| amotoki_ | +1 | 15:46 |
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| salv-orlando | I hope I followed the process in a correct and pedant way | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we’re all good to go. | 15:47 |
| salv-orlando | now if you excuse me I have a yak to shave | 15:47 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: you've been awfully quiet | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | The next new one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1472727 | 15:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472727 in neutron "Subnet pools and the quota on subnets" [Undecided,New] | 15:49 |
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| kevinbenton | Those both have the word quota in them, that means salv-orlando will do it :) | 15:50 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think I need to read this some more. It doesn’t quite make sense to me what the submitter is after. | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’ll also ask tidwellr to read it and comment. | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | So, let’s leave it for next week. | 15:51 |
| amotoki_ | I havent understood what is really requested... | 15:51 |
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| kevinbenton | It seems the idea is to restrict a tenant to X subnetpools | 15:52 |
| kevinbenton | Where X is this new quota | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: That is pretty close to what I was thinking. | 15:52 |
| kevinbenton | But I'm not sure I understand why | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic rfes | 15:53 |
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| * carl_baldwin forgot to change the topic. | 15:53 | |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Me neither | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | Do we need to go through the rfe bugs marked confirmed here? | 15:53 |
| salv-orlando | re bug 1472727 I reckon the drivers team should ask for clarifications | 15:53 |
| openstack | bug 1472727 in neutron "Subnet pools and the quota on subnets" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472727 | 15:53 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: Yeah, for this one mark it as incomplete | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I had just marked it incomplete when I read that. :) | 15:55 |
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| kevinbenton | Ok, shall we end this? | 15:57 |
| kevinbenton | Or do we want to wait for dougwig to give us the all clear :) | 15:57 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll take my action items to clarify a few things around process. We’ll probably have a discussion or two on the ML. | 15:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else for today? | 15:57 |
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| amotoki_ | none from me | 15:58 |
| kevinbenton | Nope | 15:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks! | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 16:00:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-07-14-15.04.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-07-14-15.04.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2015/neutron_drivers.2015-07-14-15.04.log.html | 16:00 |
| amotoki_ | thanks | 16:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | amotoki_: Good night. | 16:00 |
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| devkulkarni | AJaeger: I am here | 19:01 |
| AJaeger | welcome, devkulkarni ! | 19:01 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | yeah, i think we're just on a slow-start today | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:02 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:02 |
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| * fungi is definitely starting slowly anyway | 19:02 | |
| AJaeger | fungi, no wories - just say your note on #openstack-infra and was quick to join ;) | 19:02 |
| clarkb | hi | 19:02 |
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| Zara_ | hello! :) | 19:02 |
| taron | o/ | 19:02 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:02 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
| zaro | Zara_: nice name! | 19:02 |
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| persia | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 19:02:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| anteaya | that is going to be tab complete fun | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-07-07-19.02.html | 19:03 |
| jhesketh | o/ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| frickler | o/ | 19:03 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | we have some new core members! | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #info Wayne Warren (waynr) added to jenkins-job-builder-core | 19:03 |
| jeblair | waynr has been doing a lot of jjb work recently, and is working on some specs in that area | 19:04 |
| jeblair | hopefully will be joining us in the near future to talk about them | 19:04 |
| fungi | i would welcome waynr, but isn't around i guess | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | welcome! | 19:04 |
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| nibalizer | o/ | 19:04 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:05 |
| jeblair | waynr is not a 100% openstack person, so may not always be able to jump into our meetings | 19:05 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 19:05 |
| fungi | jjb is less of a 100% openstack repo anyway these days, so great fit! | 19:05 |
| jeblair | but that makes for a healthy project, so cool :) | 19:05 |
| janonymous_ | o/ | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | #info Adam Coldrick (SotK) and Zara Zaimeche (Zara_) added to storyboard-core | 19:05 |
| mordred | woot | 19:06 |
| Zara_ | \o/ thank you! | 19:06 |
| jeblair | Adam and Zara are interested in helping to maintain and move storyboard forward | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | wonderful | 19:06 |
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| AJaeger | welcome SotK and Zara_ ! | 19:06 |
| jeblair | they are also running it in production so "don't break prod" is something we all agree on :) | 19:06 |
| * SotK says hello | 19:06 | |
| clarkb | neat | 19:06 |
| fungi | SotK: Zara_: thanks for taking the plunge on that, and glad it's found renewed interest outside our use case! | 19:07 |
| SotK | fungi: no problem, its an interesting project! | 19:07 |
| jeblair | #info Ian Wienand (ianw) added to nodepool-core and project-config-core | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | thanks for your work, ianw! | 19:07 |
| fungi | ianw's been a huge help so far. i'm very excited by this | 19:08 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:08 |
| jeblair | ian groks nodepool, and image building | 19:08 |
| AJaeger | glat to get help on project-config-core, welcome ianw! | 19:08 |
| AJaeger | s/glat/glad/ | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | i expect his main area of project-config interest will be related images, at least at first | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | but there's a whole lot going on there, and more to come | 19:09 |
| fungi | especially helpful for him to be core on project-config since that's where our prep scripts and dib elements for nodepool images reside | 19:09 |
| jeblair | yup | 19:09 |
| ianw | thanks, hope to be useful :) | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | ianw, awesome work | 19:09 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Centralize release tagging | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | #link centralize release tagging spec https://review.openstack.org/191193 | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | #info centralize release tagging spec was approved | 19:10 |
| jeblair | i finally remembered to merge this :) | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | so actually | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #link centralize release tagging spec http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/centralize-release-tagging.html | 19:11 |
| jeblair | that's better | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Host trystack.o.o site | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | #link host trystack.o.o site spec https://review.openstack.org/195098 | 19:12 |
| jeblair | this one seems ready | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | and fairly straightforward | 19:12 |
| jeblair | anyone have concerns or should we open voting on it? | 19:12 |
| fungi | no concerns here | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | I had a look yesterday, voting sounds good | 19:12 |
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| mordred | vote++ | 19:13 |
| jeblair | #info host trystack.o.o site spec voting open until 2015-07-16 19:00 UTC | 19:13 |
| clarkb | I haven't been abl to review specs so abstain | 19:13 |
| clarkb | oh I have time nevermindthen | 19:14 |
| jeblair | #topic Specs approval: Add images mirror spec | 19:14 |
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| ianw | so currently the unit tests for diskimagebuilder are *really* unreliable | 19:14 |
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| ianw | this is my thought, but we may need to do something else because changes are not merging | 19:16 |
| jeblair | i have not looked at this yet, and i think we have some other mirror related ideas floating around | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | I have not looked either but the simplest way to mirror these would be to have swift serve them | 19:17 |
| clarkb | since we already upload all rax dib images to swift. We cna look at doing that for hpcloud too | 19:17 |
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| mordred | maybe it's time to sketch out a long-term mirror strategy as well as some short-term strategic fixes? (also, we that we can know if various things are short or long term solutions to things) | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | mordred: yeah | 19:17 |
| ianw | (just for the logs, see various rechecks on https://review.openstack.org/185842) | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | i think for this we should collect a set of people now to iterate on this a bit more and then bring it back for voting later | 19:18 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:18 |
| jeblair | i'm happy to help with it (since some of the ideas floating around are mine) | 19:19 |
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| pleia2 | I can pitch in too (haven't looked at this particular spec yet, but will do) | 19:19 |
| mordred | wow. that test sure did spent 30 minutes downloading the fedora base cloud image | 19:19 |
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| mordred | #link http://logs.openstack.org/42/185842/7/check/gate-dib-dsvm-functests-devstack-f21/779d39a/console.html.gz | 19:20 |
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| ianw | yeah, not only does it not work, it's not very friendly to external mirrors | 19:20 |
| ianw | although i bet they all see lots more even crazier stuff | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | oh that kind of image mirroring | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | so we have two sets of images we need to mirror, something to keep in mind when solving | 19:21 |
| jeblair | i volunteer clarkb to also review that spec | 19:21 |
| jeblair | and mordred :) | 19:21 |
| clarkb | kk :) | 19:22 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:22 |
| jeblair | ianw: does that work for you? | 19:22 |
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| fungi | we also have jobs which generate images and then other jobs which consume the same | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | fungi: good point, so 2.5 types of image | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | upstream, our images, images we build for others | 19:23 |
| ianw | thanks, yeah that is fine. i know the problem space is quite large, so hopefully we can find some baby-steps | 19:23 |
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| fungi | so this is sort of similar on the second half of that problem, but the first half is "notice this has updated and retrieve it" rather than "build and upload it" | 19:23 |
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| ianw | that get us moving in the right direction *and* get nodepool functional tests working | 19:23 |
| mordred | yah. I think we can ... also, even a sketched out "in 3 years we'd love to have mirroring that looks like X" should help us with some babysteps for now as well | 19:23 |
| clarkb | did someone write a job with the nodepool devstack work I did? | 19:23 |
| clarkb | or do you mean dib func tests? | 19:24 |
| ianw | bah, sorry, dib | 19:24 |
| clarkb | (its still on my list to make the nodepool + devstack stuff work) | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | #info continue work on add images mirror spec: https://review.openstack.org/194477 | 19:25 |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts (Swift Logs) | 19:25 |
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| jhesketh | so there's probably not a lot to say here except there are some changes ready for review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/os-loganalyze+branch:master+topic:enable_swift,n,z | 19:26 |
| jhesketh | basically I think the problems we had with updating os-loganlayze before were due to not reloading apache | 19:26 |
| jhesketh | this should happen now, so we should check that theory | 19:26 |
| jeblair | okay cool | 19:26 |
| jhesketh | unfortunately I never had the logs from what went wrong, so it's hard to say | 19:26 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: what are the next few steps? | 19:26 |
| jhesketh | it's something we should watch when it goes in | 19:26 |
| fungi | jhesketh: you had the stack traces though, correct? i at least provided those | 19:27 |
| fungi | i'm pretty sure | 19:27 |
| clarkb | I never saw the errors fwiw | 19:27 |
| jhesketh | hmm, if you did, I've missed them :-( | 19:27 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: the change(s) to do the apache reload did get in correct? | 19:28 |
| jhesketh | yes | 19:28 |
| jhesketh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199375/ | 19:28 |
| clarkb | ok (just checking as I remember reviewing it and it wasn't on the list you linked) | 19:28 |
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| jhesketh | so there are two options for next steps, I think.. 1) Wait until we have really solid upgrade and integration tests for os-loganalyze, or 2) carefully merge the changes during a quiet time | 19:29 |
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| jhesketh | pragmatically I'd like to chose #2 | 19:30 |
| anteaya | we have been using #2 prior to now, have we not? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | anteaya: we have | 19:30 |
| jhesketh | more or less | 19:30 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: I agree and am happy to be around to help with that | 19:30 |
| jeblair | 2 works for me :) | 19:31 |
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| anteaya | I'm happy with #2 | 19:31 |
| mordred | 2 | 19:31 |
| fungi | jhesketh: found the paste! | 19:31 |
| fungi | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/205683/ | 19:31 |
| clarkb | I am awake at all hours so we can even do it during your day :) | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | haha, poor clarkb | 19:31 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: yay babies | 19:31 |
| jhesketh | :-) | 19:31 |
| jhesketh | my day tends to be quieter for most anyway | 19:32 |
| jhesketh | fungi: ah cool, thanks for that... when I stumbled across the reloading apache problem that was what I saw | 19:32 |
| jhesketh | so hopefully that is the fix | 19:32 |
| fungi | perfect | 19:32 |
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| fungi | smoking gun | 19:32 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: shall we merge it my Saturday, so Friday night for most others? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: that sounds good | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | its an easy rollback so not worried about it if we do have problems | 19:33 |
| jhesketh | cool, I'll ping you then and we can figure out if it's a good time | 19:33 |
| jhesketh | agreed | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | cool, anything else on this? | 19:34 |
| jhesketh | I'm also happy to do it myself but appreciate the offer for help | 19:34 |
| jhesketh | probably just getting reviews on that list would be most helpful | 19:34 |
| jeblair | #info clarkb and jhesketh to babysit application of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199375/ | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | #info on friday/saturday | 19:35 |
| fungi | jhesketh: now that you have ssh access you can also easily watch the access logs on static.o.o | 19:35 |
| fungi | so can revert fairly quickly if there are still issues | 19:35 |
| jhesketh | indeed :-) | 19:35 |
| jeblair | i forgot to do agenda cleanup last week, so i think the next topic is grafana, does that seem wrong to anyone? | 19:36 |
| anteaya | that was last week was it not? | 19:36 |
| jeblair | anteaya: not according to the summary | 19:37 |
| jeblair | let's go with it | 19:37 |
| SotK | I have a couple of things to discuss re: StoryBoard | 19:37 |
| jeblair | okay, storyboard then grafana | 19:37 |
| jeblair | #topic Storyboard Development | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | SotK: what's on your mind? | 19:38 |
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| SotK | First up, would it be possible for Zara_ and I to be added to the storyboard-webclient-core group on Gerrit too please? | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | did i miss that? sorry. certainly! | 19:39 |
| SotK | thanks! | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | jeblair, anteaya no, we ran out of time last week for grafana | 19:39 |
| SotK | I was also wondering if we should send specs to the infra-specs repo for any features we plan to implement | 19:39 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: ah | 19:39 |
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| SotK | For example, I've recently been thinking about task lists and would find design feedback from other folk useful I think | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | SotK: that's a good question... honestly, i think it comes down to whether there will be useful reviewers.... | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | SotK: maybe the best thing is to go ahead and do that for the task list idea you're thinking of and see who shows up and if it's useful | 19:42 |
| jeblair | SotK: and if it turns out that it's not, we can decide not to do it next time :) | 19:42 |
| SotK | sounds good | 19:42 |
| * mordred agrees with jeblair | 19:42 | |
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| jhesketh | +1 | 19:43 |
| SotK | Finally, would it be possible for us to reinstate the old storyboard weekly meeting at a similar time to the 15:00 UTC it used to be at? | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | I'd say go for it | 19:43 |
| anteaya | only if that space is still available | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | yep, just check on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | (also explains how to add your meeting) | 19:44 |
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| SotK | pleia2: great, thanks! | 19:44 |
| anteaya | that time looks full on my ical feed but I'm sure you can find an open time somewhere for a weekly team meeting | 19:44 |
| jeblair | SotK: thank you! | 19:45 |
| AJaeger | wow, eavesdrop got a redesign - but still the single ical feeds are broken ;( | 19:45 |
| jeblair | #topic Grafana.o.o (pabelanger) | 19:45 |
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| pabelanger | So, the puppet-grafana modules is it good shape I think. So much so, I think I'm ready to ask for it to be merged. However, 1 thing that is missing is the yaml file support for datasources | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | right now we are using 2.0.0 but a patch was added into 2.1.0 for it | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | https://github.com/grafana/grafana/issues/2218 | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | sweet i should reivew this | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | however, 2.1.0 is not going to be released for another 2 months I think | 19:46 |
| ttx | AJaeger: I shall look into that | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | pabelanger: so did we end up using the community puppet-grafana or our own? | 19:46 |
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| pabelanger | so, question is, is 2.0.0 good enough for now, or wait until 2.1.0 for grafyaml full support | 19:46 |
| pabelanger | nibalizer, upstream module | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | or are you refering to the bits in system-config to use the community module | 19:46 |
| jeblair | what are we missing in 2.0.0? | 19:47 |
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| pabelanger | the ability to create datasources via grafyaml | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | right now it is manual step | 19:47 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: ah | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | otherwise we need to hack database to add our key | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | which we can do, but pretty ugly | 19:48 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: is that just a one time thing to add our key, then we can use grafyaml? | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | once 2.1.0 lands, we'll update grafyaml to support basic auth | 19:48 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair, right | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | okay, so there's a manual step at server creation time (which will be automatable in 2.1.0), but other than that, we can start using grafyaml to manage the actual dashboards? | 19:49 |
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| pabelanger | correct! | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | woot! | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | i think in that case i'm okay with the manual stuff to get us started | 19:49 |
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| pabelanger | Ya, figured people would be cool with it | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | reason I am asking | 19:49 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:50 |
| fungi | right now we're in a similar boat with gerrit and jenkins | 19:50 |
| nibalizer | cool | 19:50 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:50 |
| fungi | so it's a reasonable stopgap, especially since there's a light at the end of the tunnel (unlike with gerrit) | 19:50 |
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| jeblair | #agreed okay to spin up grafana and manually add key to database (grafana 2.1.0 will make this automatable) | 19:51 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: anything else? | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | ya, upstream grafana was more then happy to address the bug request | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | jeblair, nope. thanks | 19:51 |
| jeblair | oh that's good to hear! | 19:51 |
| jeblair | #topic The Ops Mid-Cycle details are now available, Palo Alto, Aug 18-19 (pleia2) | 19:51 |
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| pleia2 | we hadn't really talked about this as a team, so I wanted to just mention it | 19:51 |
| anteaya | I'm going | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | pretty sure crinkle and greghaynes are planning on attending along with me | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | so we've got hardware and puppet and infra | 19:52 |
| anteaya | but my main motivation is the nova-net/neutron stuff | 19:52 |
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| greghaynes | pleia2: Yep! | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | of course our focus is re: infra-cloud | 19:53 |
| anteaya | do we need our topic back? | 19:53 |
| jeblair | maybe i ought to go too... since it's "close" (even though travel-wise it's about as far as portland) | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | it would be nice to see you | 19:53 |
| mordred | jeblair: you could fly | 19:53 |
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| greghaynes | I have always really enjoyed the ops summits FWIW, highly reccomended if you can make it :) | 19:54 |
| jeblair | pleia2: but yeah, in general that seems like a good thing for us to go | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | mordred: OAK-PAO on a cessna | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | ++ | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | that's it on that topic, we can chat closer in about anything else | 19:54 |
| fungi | i believe the openstack meetbot will fix the topic again on the next #topic change | 19:55 |
| anteaya | ah | 19:55 |
| jeblair | pleia2: cool, thanks! i had missed the announcement, and it's a good idea. | 19:55 |
| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 19:55 |
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| fungi | theory proven ;) | 19:55 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | zaro: happy vacationing | 19:55 |
| zaro | i missed that announcement as well. | 19:56 |
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| pabelanger | pleia2, do you have a schedule for ops meeting up some place? | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | I'm doing CLS and some OSCON-near things, so I'll be scarce this Fri- next Wednesday | 19:56 |
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| greghaynes | I forgot to chime in during the mirror section (my time is all off ATM) - another big thing DIB tests are dealing with is lack of package mirrors in addition to image mirrors | 19:56 |
| anteaya | it is on the operators mailing list | 19:56 |
| fungi | i'm still sort of not around while i deal with new house stuff, so sorry for being in and out and generally minimally helpful | 19:56 |
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| greghaynes | specifically, debian and fedora have pretty unreliable package mirrors and dib tests use them | 19:56 |
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| pleia2 | pabelanger: not sure how much they have yet, let's see... | 19:56 |
| mordred | yah | 19:56 |
| fungi | greghaynes: for that, can we rely on our package caching more? | 19:57 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-July/007634.html | 19:57 |
| pabelanger | I wanted to note I haven't heard much about stackalytics.o.o in a few weeks. Unless anybody else has heard from thing from mirantis | 19:57 |
| greghaynes | fungi: in theory, yes, its a lot of packages though | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | pleia2: do you think theres any hope of getting a tag on the upstream grafana module | 19:57 |
| mordred | greghaynes: so - I think we should make a more comprehensive TOTAL mirror solution spec | 19:57 |
| pabelanger | any word back from their marketing team? | 19:57 |
| greghaynes | I think were quickly aproaching the limit of where that is sustainable | 19:57 |
| fungi | greghaynes: any guess at how big a primed dib job package cache would be? | 19:57 |
| mordred | that includes all the things we want to mirror | 19:57 |
| greghaynes | mordred: agreed | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | using a random hash is okay i guess but tags are nice | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | pabelanger: there's a planning etherpad on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 19:57 |
| greghaynes | fungi: nope, that is a good question though | 19:57 |
| greghaynes | fungi: I bet I can hack up something with dib to figure it out | 19:57 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: I have not heard anything no | 19:58 |
| fungi | greghaynes: if it's just a few hundred megabytes, that's probably easy to accommodate | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | nibalizer: we can probably arrange that | 19:58 |
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| pleia2 | nibalizer: though I think you meant pabelanger :) | 19:58 |
| greghaynes | fungi: the problem is its all the distros, so its probably a few hunded meg * 5+ | 19:58 |
| nibalizer | pleia2: oh i was meaning to tab pabelanger ya | 19:58 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair, mordred re: stackalytics.o.o, any suggestion on nudge mirantis? | 19:58 |
| pabelanger | nudging* | 19:59 |
| fungi | greghaynes: oh, right, we can't rely on our nodepool-built cache for this because you're installing other operating systems in a chroot | 19:59 |
| mordred | pabelanger: you know - I was just chatting with lsell earlier - maybe she or jbryce could be helpful in getting that sorted | 19:59 |
| greghaynes | fungi: exactly | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | thanks all! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| mrmartin | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 20:00:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| pabelanger | mordred, thanks. I'll ping them | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-07-14-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-07-14-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-07-14-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | Happy Bastille day! Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| anteaya | ttx Happy Bastille Day | 20:01 |
| Piet | Yes | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| edleafe- | o/ | 20:01 |
| dtroyer_zz | o/ | 20:01 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | russellb, jgriffith, annegentle, lifeless, mordred, flaper87, jaypipes: around ? | 20:01 |
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| agentle__ | here | 20:02 |
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| jaypipes | .............o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | that means quorum. Let's get started | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 20:02:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Alright, here is our agenda for today: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #topic Cross-project-spec final approval: Eventlet Best Practices | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross-project-spec final approval: Eventlet Best Practices (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:03 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154642/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | Looks like this one has lingered enough and has enough consensus to get the final approval rubberstamp | 20:03 |
| ttx | Any objection ? | 20:03 |
| mordred | STAMP IT | 20:04 |
| ttx | stamped | 20:04 |
| sdague | all the stamps | 20:04 |
| ttx | #topic Add neutron to starter-kit:compute | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add neutron to starter-kit:compute (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:04 | |
| * mordred stamps the stamps | 20:04 | |
| lifeless | ttx: o/ | 20:04 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/196438 | 20:04 |
| ttx | This is a continuation from last week discussion, where we delayed decision for one week, waiting for a new patchset and Jay to have enough time for a deeper dive | 20:04 |
| mordred | on this one and its friend, I fixed some typo-style reviews from folks in follow-on patches | 20:05 |
| ttx | Looks like it won a majority over the week | 20:05 |
| AJaeger | thanks, pleia2 ! | 20:05 |
| AJaeger | oops, wrong channel - me leaves and says sorry | 20:05 |
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| ttx | (just returning from a 2-day break so if I appear to be slightly off, that's normal) | 20:05 |
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| ttx | Questions before we move to final approval on it ? | 20:06 |
| russellb | o/ sorry | 20:06 |
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| sdague | personally, pretty happy how it all turned out | 20:06 |
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| mordred | me too | 20:07 |
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| ttx | yes, I think our starter kit now gets stronger | 20:07 |
| mordred | I think we found some good clear language about some things | 20:07 |
| mordred | it's almost like collaboration worked to a positive benefit | 20:07 |
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| sdague | \o/ | 20:07 |
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| ttx | mordred: we should build a project around that concept | 20:07 |
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| annegentle | I have a question on the install guide, has anyone talked to Lana or the install guide folks about it? | 20:07 |
| mordred | ttx: bah. it'd never work | 20:07 |
| ttx | annegentle: Lana +1ed the review, but not sure if she considered the install guide specifically | 20:08 |
| annegentle | ok, cool | 20:08 |
| jeblair | annegentle: we have to collaborate with MORE people? ;) | 20:08 |
| annegentle | even more! and they *gasp* write stuff | 20:08 |
| mordred | ugh | 20:08 |
| ttx | Alright, 30 more seconds to record your vote on this historic moment and I'll rubberstamp it | 20:08 |
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| ttx | done | 20:09 |
| ttx | A few more tag adjustments/definitions | 20:09 |
| ttx | #topic Redefine release tags to match new models | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Redefine release tags to match new models (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:09 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/198789 | 20:10 |
| ttx | this one is about adapting the release tags to the recent changes in Liberty | 20:10 |
| ttx | In particular the rise of the "follows development cycle with intermediary releases" model | 20:10 |
| ttx | The old set of tags were additive, and only a few combinations were actually supported | 20:10 |
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| ttx | This new set of tags clearly defines 4 exclusive options | 20:10 |
| annegentle | question o/ | 20:10 |
| ttx | annegentle: yes | 20:10 |
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| annegentle | ok, so we have release:none (think: openstack/governance) as an example, but are we applying tags at a release cycle point-in-time eventually? | 20:11 |
| ttx | annegentle: you can still push tags. They just don't result in tarballs or anything | 20:11 |
| annegentle | ttx: they result in a page being published | 20:11 |
| ttx | annegentle: you mean for docs ? | 20:12 |
| annegentle | thinking of it from a docs standpoint, right. | 20:12 |
| annegentle | ttx: how would we know when to apply a governance tag | 20:12 |
| annegentle | I may be overthinking this, totally possible | 20:13 |
| ttx | if the docs are not continuously produced and you "publish" them on a tag, I would count that as a release | 20:13 |
| ttx | (it's a doc release triggered by a tag) | 20:13 |
| mordred | I would agree, fwiw | 20:13 |
| ttx | But that's arguably a corner case | 20:13 |
| annegentle | yes, on the docs site we use a mechanism like that, but for tags published to governance.openstack.org do we need something similar | 20:13 |
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| ttx | annegentle: governance.o.o is continuously published, so I'd say no | 20:14 |
| ttx | it has no release, the repo is the state | 20:14 |
| annegentle | right now governance.openstack.org is continually published, with no "release" mechanism, but we may way to change that to publish tags after a release date. | 20:14 |
| ttx | annegentle: sure, and then we'll change the release model tag | 20:14 |
| annegentle | (pages that describe tags is what I mean) | 20:14 |
| annegentle | ok, got it | 20:14 |
| ttx | it can certainly evolve over time :) | 20:14 |
| ttx | Alright, has enough votes now, will approve in 30sec | 20:15 |
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| ttx | unless there are other questions | 20:15 |
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| annegentle | I'm good | 20:15 |
| ttx | ok done | 20:15 |
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| ttx | #topic Add and apply vulnerability:managed tag | 20:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add and apply vulnerability:managed tag (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:15 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/199720 | 20:16 |
| ttx | This one is proposed by the VMT, to keep track *and* communicate which projects are directly handled by the team | 20:16 |
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| ttx | fungi: around? | 20:16 |
| fungi | yep | 20:16 |
| janonymous_ | o/ | 20:16 |
| ttx | questions on that one ? | 20:16 |
| fungi | looks like it's well received | 20:16 |
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| ttx | I found the name funny but I agree the alternative is funnier. | 20:16 |
| fungi | basically just documenting the current state with a tag, not changing any policy/process (yet) | 20:17 |
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| sdague | yeh, super straight forward: STAMP! | 20:17 |
| ttx | Alright... no questions ? | 20:17 |
| ttx | stamping in 30 sec | 20:17 |
| fungi | it feels like this is a better first step, then we can evolve the process in a more governance-facing way once we have the initial tag definition | 20:17 |
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| ttx | stamped | 20:18 |
| fungi | one more ugly wiki article get vaporized! | 20:18 |
| ttx | #topic No longer support attributes in tags | 20:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "No longer support attributes in tags (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:18 | |
| ttx | fungi: DIE WIKI DIE | 20:18 |
| annegentle | heh | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | I do agree with jaypipes' suggestion to link to the wiki, but I think that can be a minor update patch without full meeting review | 20:18 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/199986 | 20:18 |
| ttx | So... With the removal last week of the integrated-release tag, we don't have any tag using attributes anymore, and I think it's the occasion to phase the concept out | 20:18 |
| jaypipes | dhellmann: yup, later patch totally cool. | 20:18 |
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| ttx | I blame attributes for giving to some people the wrong idea of what a tag is. A tag should have an opinionated description and an objective application. | 20:18 |
| ttx | In the recent months we've been pushing things like "team:diverse-affiliation" rather than "team:diverse-affiliation (score=80%)" and I think that's good rather than bad. | 20:18 |
| ttx | So I would further encourage that direction by removing that concept from the template, and ultimately from the file format | 20:19 |
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| ttx | Looks like I have a majority with me | 20:19 |
| ttx | Questions ? | 20:19 |
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| russellb | seems fine, and can always re-propose it if there's a good argument in the future to add it back | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | as someone who continually has to parse this yaml file, i would love to remove attributes and just have tag names in the list | 20:19 |
| ttx | dhellmann: don't disclose our secret plan! | 20:19 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: plan is to phase them out when/if we introduce deliverables as a v2 format | 20:20 |
| ttx | but shhh | 20:20 |
| sdague | ok, so STAMPING? because this seems really straight forward | 20:20 |
| russellb | yup | 20:20 |
| ttx | yep, in 30 seconds unless someone yells | 20:20 |
| russellb | can i yell for a different reason? | 20:20 |
| ttx | your time will come | 20:20 |
| mordred | russellb: you can yell any time | 20:20 |
| russellb | ok great, just checking, i don't have anything to yell about, i just value my right to yell | 20:21 |
| ttx | yes, this whole consensus thing is starting to strike nerves | 20:21 |
| mordred | I also value your right to yell | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic RPM distribution packaging of OpenStack | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RPM distribution packaging of OpenStack (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:21 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/191587 | 20:21 |
| ttx | RPM packaging is back on the docket after a few week's hiatus | 20:21 |
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| ttx | I think that's a great initiative, clearly an open collaboration reducing duplication of effort | 20:21 |
| ttx | It feels more "real" now than it was a few weeks ago, so I see no reason to further block it | 20:21 |
| russellb | real work getting done? | 20:22 |
| ttx | well, just the fact that the two main distros agreed on a plan and co-PTLs is telling enough | 20:22 |
| mordred | yah. /me is a fan of agreement | 20:23 |
| ttx | there was a new rev, you may want to reapply votes | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I rebased https://review.openstack.org/199720 | 20:23 |
| sdague | yeh, I feel like this seems pretty straight forward, fedora and suse working together | 20:23 |
| ttx | Let me restamp that for you | 20:23 |
| markmcclain | so speaking of 'and' we used '&' for searchlight.. which is the preferred style :) | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: and https://review.openstack.org/199986 | 20:24 |
| sdague | that seems like it can only be good for our community to have more commonality | 20:24 |
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| lifeless | you can't use and & & together? | 20:24 |
| lifeless | or | 20:24 |
| janonymous_ | o/ | 20:24 |
| lifeless | you can't use and and & together? | 20:24 |
| markmcclain | haha... seriously I think the collaboration is a good thing | 20:24 |
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| * ttx F5s | 20:25 | |
| sdague | so with no questions, probably keep moving. | 20:25 |
| sdague | votes can collect later | 20:25 |
| ttx | Alright, we have a majority apparently. | 20:25 |
| sdague | we don't have to hold up for them | 20:25 |
| ttx | Objections to me stamping now ? | 20:25 |
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| annegentle | I like collaboration. | 20:26 |
| ttx | and... | 20:26 |
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| ttx | done! | 20:26 |
| ttx | Welcome, RPM packaging. | 20:26 |
| ttx | #topic Add Fuel to OpenStack Projects | 20:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add Fuel to OpenStack Projects (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:26 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/199232 | 20:26 |
| jeblair | i'm in the process of -1ing this. | 20:26 |
| ttx | Large project that has been part of our landscape for some time now | 20:26 |
| jeblair | fuel does not use OpenStack CI at all, and does not conform to the the project testing interface | 20:26 |
| ttx | Right. Another thing I'm concerned about here is... a project in OpenStack should not be owned by a given company. And here given how large and old the contributor base is, it is de-facto owned by Mirantis | 20:27 |
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| markmcclain | yeah the top 100+ reviewers from there | 20:28 |
| ttx | I'm still not sure I would -1 over it, but... I'd like to be sure the project is not locked | 20:28 |
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| mordred | I had forgotten that they do not have any jobs running in openstack's ci system. that they have an additional CI system for some things does not bother me - but it would be great if it would conform to the PTI and also have the jobs that can be in openstack's ci in openstack's ci | 20:28 |
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| jeblair | mordred: ++ | 20:28 |
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| clarkb | dont they have another gerrit too? | 20:28 |
| jeblair | that's the gist of the comment i just left with my -1 | 20:28 |
| clarkb | I seem to recall running into it once | 20:28 |
| lifeless | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html doesn't specify the PTI as a requirement | 20:28 |
| lifeless | its not mentioned at all | 20:28 |
| lifeless | and diversity is now a tag | 20:28 |
| lifeless | I'm *really* confused here | 20:28 |
| sdague | diversity isn't a blocking issue | 20:29 |
| mordred | I think " | 20:29 |
| mordred | The project has core reviewers and adopts a test-driven gate for changes" | 20:29 |
| jeblair | lifeless: er, the pti itself is a requirement... its a resolution the tc passed intended to apply to all projects | 20:29 |
| sdague | I just think this is another instance where team:diversity-danger would be appropriate | 20:29 |
| russellb | anti-diversity? | 20:29 |
| lifeless | jeblair: its documented in the governance repo, its not prescribed by the url I linked to as criteria for inclusion 'in openstack' | 20:29 |
| annegentle | PTI stands for? | 20:29 |
| jaypipes | all: please read Dmitry's response to Sean Collins acknowledging quite openly the areas that the Fuel team needs to improve. | 20:30 |
| lifeless | annegentle: project testing interface | 20:30 |
| mordred | annegentle: Project Testing Interface | 20:30 |
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| hogepodge | It's also a fork of the puppet modules, which seems strange. | 20:30 |
| sdague | which we should probably formalize at some point, because a whole crop of recent projects fall into diversity-danger | 20:30 |
| annegentle | thanks | 20:30 |
| mordred | jaypipes: yah - I liked that response a lot | 20:30 |
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| jaypipes | BTW, how'd the Triple-O CI region work out? ... | 20:30 |
| lifeless | annegentle: http://governance.openstack.org/reference/project-testing-interface.html | 20:30 |
| clarkb | I must've confused the ci with it | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | jeblair, lifeless : should the PTI be added to new-project-requirements? | 20:30 |
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| ttx | jaypipes: yeah. I guess another way to ask my question would be: is an installer an opinionated thing, or can open design work for it | 20:30 |
| russellb | jaypipes: there were two, and one has worked well :) | 20:30 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i'm boggling a little at the legalese here... | 20:31 |
| lifeless | jeblair: I'm not trying to be legalistic. | 20:31 |
| mordred | jaypipes: yah - so - I think having an additional external CI is a great thing | 20:31 |
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| annegentle | is there API overlap? | 20:31 |
| lifeless | jeblair: I'm trying - as a tc member no less - to actually understand the decisions the big tent discussion actually made | 20:31 |
| mordred | jaypipes: because there are things tha tthings like fuel and tripleo are never really going to be able to test in the infra systems | 20:31 |
| mordred | jaypipes: otoh - there are plenty of thigns that can - and should - be tested there | 20:31 |
| jeblair | i would contend that if the tc pases a resolution applicable to all projects of course it's required for new projects. however, if there is confusion on that point, then yes, i suppose we should add an item to the new projects criteria that says "adheres to resolutions passed by the tc that apply to all projects" | 20:32 |
| jaypipes | russellb: my point being that CI for bare-metal provisioning isn't the same problem domain as virtualized systems... Fuel has its own CI system, modelled on upstream with an active intent to align entirely with upstream. | 20:32 |
| lifeless | jeblair: the docs have a lovely page, which replaced another much longer page, and folk are saying that things elsewhere are also actually requirements. | 20:32 |
| mordred | I agree with jeblair | 20:32 |
| russellb | jaypipes: got it | 20:32 |
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| ttx | lifeless: I thinnk OpenSTack projects are about Open Collaboration. If there is no collaboration, I don't see the point of having that project in openstack. It can live in corporate borders. | 20:32 |
| jeblair | lifeless: that's fair -- we have arrived at this conversations with widely divergent assumptions. i'm just surprised is all. we can converge i'm sure. :) | 20:32 |
| ttx | So I need to be convinced there will be collaboration in Fuel design basically | 20:32 |
| lifeless | ttx: sure, and the four opens are clearly covered and docs. | 20:32 |
| lifeless | to be clear | 20:32 |
| lifeless | I'm not voting for or against fuel at this point. | 20:33 |
| mordred | jaypipes: cool - so, I think that's awesome - similar to what we told the folks last week, maybe having the fuel team take the first couple of steps of that would be nice? | 20:33 |
| lifeless | I want though, to feel that we're being clear and upfront to them about whats expected | 20:33 |
| ttx | lifeless: I'm more after some clear statements from the Fuel team, rather than blocking anything. | 20:33 |
| mordred | jaypipes: like, I think it would be awesome for fuel to be in the tent (I did +1 before I was reminded of the CI bits) | 20:33 |
| jaypipes | mordred: yep, and they are eager to address the disparities. | 20:33 |
| mordred | jaypipes: that's excellent to hear | 20:33 |
| lifeless | jeblair: absolutely. | 20:33 |
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| jaypipes | mordred: jeblair's "retire stackforge" patch was certainly a kick in the pants to get going. | 20:34 |
| lifeless | so, I think we should add a note saying that they must /also/ meet any global policies the TC may have | 20:34 |
| lifeless | where they == new projects | 20:34 |
| lifeless | I'll draft that up | 20:34 |
| ttx | lifeless: thx | 20:34 |
| jeblair | lifeless: sounds like a plan, thanks :) | 20:34 |
| jaypipes | mordred: as was the long ML thread with EmilienM about aligning to puppet-openstack upstream. | 20:34 |
| mordred | jaypipes: ++ | 20:34 |
| EmilienM | jaypipes: o/ | 20:34 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: that's good, hogepodge does that address concerns? | 20:34 |
| annegentle | and any Tuskar API overlap concerns? | 20:34 |
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| russellb | plenty of overlap in the deployment space already | 20:35 |
| russellb | so i'm not worried about that part | 20:35 |
| jaypipes | EmilienM: that ML thread was just another push for Fuel to align more with upstream stuffs... | 20:35 |
| ttx | yeah, me neither | 20:35 |
| annegentle | ok | 20:35 |
| sdague | yeh, I feel like deployment has so many different approaches, we just need to let those all play out | 20:35 |
| russellb | agree | 20:35 |
| jeblair | jaypipes: does that mean something like fuel becoming a downstream consumer of puppet-openstack modules? | 20:36 |
| sdague | it is very clear that one size does not fit all there | 20:36 |
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| annegentle | sdague: crystal clear :) | 20:36 |
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| jaypipes | jeblair: yes, that has already been 100% agreed. | 20:36 |
| EmilienM | jaypipes: they are clearly not ready yet though. Do we have a timeline for this? | 20:36 |
| hogepodge | has progress been made in renconciling them? it's been promised for a long while but never seems to happen | 20:36 |
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| jaypipes | EmilienM: the intent is 100% there. it's just going to take a little time to align, of course. | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | lifeless, jeblair : https://review.openstack.org/201764 | 20:37 |
| ttx | I just have to switch from thinking Fuel is Mirantis's installer to "Fuel can be a community-developed openstack installer" | 20:37 |
| jaypipes | EmilienM: dmitry is actively working on a timeline, yep. | 20:37 |
| jaypipes | EmilienM: we can take this offline, though... | 20:37 |
| EmilienM | and what is important to be in the big tent, attent or real situation ? | 20:37 |
| jaypipes | EmilienM: both. | 20:37 |
| EmilienM | jaypipes: cool, ping me anytime | 20:37 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: so I think thats insufficient. I have a different change in draft | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: k | 20:38 |
| mordred | jaypipes: so, I think maybe we should start an email thread similar to EmilienM's about the puppet modules about which bits of fuel CI we can realistically do in infra | 20:38 |
| mordred | and what that plan wants to look like | 20:38 |
| hogepodge | jaypipes: I've been told it's happening as far back as Hong Kong | 20:38 |
| hogepodge | how much time is needed? | 20:38 |
| EmilienM | me too :) | 20:38 |
| annegentle | hogepodge: I do think it's good to give them a push then through this review | 20:38 |
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| EmilienM | mordred: my long and though thread? | 20:38 |
| sdague | so those concerns from hogepodge and EmilienM are concerning to me | 20:38 |
| jaypipes | hogepodge: it is happening, yes. I'll ask Dmitry to email the ML with the current timeline and plan. | 20:38 |
| jaypipes | EmilienM: ^ | 20:39 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: sounds good | 20:39 |
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| jeblair | mordred, jaypipes: yeah, we know we can't test everything, but we can certainly do some (there's quite a bit of testing in puppet-openstack and it's getting better quickly) | 20:39 |
| sdague | because if it's been a long line of promisses and no action, it's hard to have faith going forward | 20:39 |
| EmilienM | mordred: https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg55455.html ? | 20:39 |
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| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:39 |
| jaypipes | sdague: understood, and acknowledged. time and actions only will prove things out. | 20:40 |
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| russellb | maybe we defer until Puppet team can ack that they're happy with collaboration? | 20:40 |
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| russellb | seems like a good step forward | 20:40 |
| mordred | russellb: ++ | 20:40 |
| russellb | to show good faith around increased collaboration | 20:40 |
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| sdague | russellb: I like that idea | 20:41 |
| lifeless | ttx: jeblair: dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/201766 | 20:41 |
| jaypipes | russellb: ++ i think that's a good idea. | 20:41 |
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| lifeless | jaypipes: ^ may want to look at that too | 20:42 |
| russellb | woah that's a lot of agreement | 20:42 |
| sdague | so, how about we table for now, there are a few collab todos, and swing back around later in the cycle and see how all of that is going | 20:42 |
| ttx | russellb: man, what did you DO? | 20:42 |
| russellb | sdague: +1 | 20:42 |
| ttx | let me #agree that | 20:42 |
| lifeless | #agree | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: 3 different changes there... | 20:42 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: there are | 20:42 |
| * jeblair agrees with the agreeable russellb | 20:42 | |
| ttx | #agreed Fuel -- table for now, there are a few collab todos, and swing back around later in the cycle and see how all of that is going | 20:43 |
| russellb | but in theory, i think it makes perfect sense | 20:43 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: and if we have contention, I'll split them out. | 20:43 |
| jaypipes | lifeless: +1 from me.. | 20:43 |
| ttx | OK... MOAR topics | 20:43 |
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| sdague | yep, I'm good with concept, just want to make sure the team is collaborating with the rest of OpenStack well | 20:43 |
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| annegentle | is someone writing the requet in the review itself? | 20:44 |
| annegentle | request | 20:44 |
| ttx | and I want to discuss a bit on the roadmap and open design going forward | 20:44 |
| ttx | since it might be a bit of a cultural change. We never had a *large* non-diverse project yet | 20:44 |
| ttx | so I'd like to start the discussion on open design early rather than late | 20:44 |
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| ttx | OK, ready to switch to next topic ? | 20:45 |
| jaypipes | yup. | 20:45 |
| ttx | #topic Add the Delux Project | 20:45 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/199768 | 20:45 |
| ttx | Sound like a great thing to have in rather than out | 20:45 |
| russellb | clever name at least | 20:45 |
| jeblair | lifeless: generally looks good but i have a nit ;) | 20:45 |
| ttx | There is a bit of a culture/tooling clash which makes it more difficult for me to consider them "one of us", but I think that comes with the territory | 20:45 |
| ttx | and it's just not possible to hold that against them | 20:45 |
| ttx | There was a comment about the name, which I think I agree with | 20:45 |
| annegentle | right, I agree it's more similar to translation moving towards more open tooling to me | 20:46 |
| ttx | All other horizontal teams are named after the function. And this particular name has quite a few collisions | 20:46 |
| jaypipes | ttx: agreed. our code-centric tooling just doesn't mesh with the expectations and customs of the UX and designer folk. | 20:46 |
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| ttx | so why not "OpenStack UX" ? | 20:46 |
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| sdague | right, though phabricator may bring us some of that, correct? | 20:46 |
| lifeless | jeblair: nit picked | 20:46 |
| annegentle | Probably just didn't see the parallel for name | 20:46 |
| lifeless | jeblair: (I've pushed an update) | 20:47 |
| Piet | OpenStack UX is prefect | 20:47 |
| jeblair | yes, one of the reasons we're specifically looking at phabricator is to help address this use case | 20:47 |
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| mordred | in fact - thanks for mentioning that in the commit message Piet | 20:47 |
| Piet | np | 20:47 |
| jeblair | (because it will be _great_ to have commentable mockups directly associated with future-looking work (ie what we call blueprints now)) | 20:47 |
| annegentle | jeblair: that would be awesome | 20:48 |
| ttx | If the OpenDaylight UI was not called DLUX it would probably have been ok, although I prefer horizontal teams being named by function | 20:48 |
| ttx | Piet: cool, thx | 20:48 |
| ttx | Needs a rebase anyway | 20:48 |
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| ttx | You can still be called "the Delux crew" :) | 20:48 |
| Piet | Is it possible to rebase now and have you folks vote? | 20:49 |
| russellb | side note, maybe we should have a projects/ directory of yaml files to avoid having to rebase patches to projects.yaml so much | 20:49 |
| dirk____ | Or an alphabetical ordering enforced | 20:49 |
| * rockyg thinks russellb's idea is brilliant | 20:49 | |
| ttx | side note noted | 20:49 |
| russellb | is it noted on the side? | 20:50 |
| mordred | I think it has a side of bacon | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | russellb: that will make writing tools to consume the files much more difficult :-/ | 20:50 |
| anteaya | I think the detail in teh commit message allows me to feel comfortable with this project not using irc for meetings, and it is the only project I feel this way about | 20:50 |
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| ttx | Other questions on UX ? should we wait for the rebase and vote on it ? | 20:50 |
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| lifeless | mm bacon | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | esp. since many fetch that file remotely | 20:50 |
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| lifeless | you got me right there | 20:50 |
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| russellb | dhellmann: ok, don't want it to be more difficult | 20:50 |
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| mordred | anteaya: I agree | 20:51 |
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| ttx | OK, let's move on and pile up on the review when it's patchsetted | 20:51 |
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| ttx | #topic Remove cinder from starter-kit:compute | 20:51 |
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| ttx | Let's try to sneak this one | 20:51 |
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| mordred | I think this one makes sense to most folks already ... | 20:51 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/199680 | 20:51 |
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| sdague | yeh, we are already at 7 +1s | 20:52 |
| ttx | mordred: especially with jgriffith away | 20:52 |
| jeblair | i also am concerned about invision but am optimistic about a potential move to phab. (sorry this was late) | 20:52 |
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| mordred | but its' based on the reasoning in the neutron patch - cinder is a good case of non-disruptive addition to an existing cloud | 20:52 |
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| mordred | ttx: I have heard tell that jgriffith is in favor | 20:52 |
| ttx | We can approve it today if everyone is fine not having jgriffith comment on it | 20:52 |
| jgriffith | mordred: ttx I'm ok with it | 20:52 |
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| sdague | honestly, jgriffith and I had a long conversation about this in #openstack-dev (so it's logged somewhere) | 20:52 |
| ttx | jgriffith: here he is! | 20:52 |
| mordred | oh look! it's a jgriffith | 20:52 |
| sdague | oh there he is | 20:52 |
| jgriffith | sorry I'm late | 20:52 |
| jgriffith | I just added my vote | 20:52 |
| ttx | No pb, I just didn't want to rush it without giving you a chance to chime in | 20:53 |
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| anteaya | jgriffith: you saved a whole guessing game | 20:53 |
| ttx | Looks like we have a winner | 20:53 |
| sdague | yeh, I think this was just part of the collab process with the starter kit, trying a thing, then poking at that thing a bit in real systems, and realizing the initial guess might need a little tweaking | 20:53 |
| ttx | Will rubberstamp in 30 sec | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | appreciated | 20:53 |
| ttx | questions, raise them now | 20:53 |
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| annegentle | no questions your honor | 20:54 |
| ttx | Alright, approved | 20:54 |
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| russellb | <sup>?</sup> | 20:54 |
| ttx | probably will fail to merge with current state but meh | 20:54 |
| ttx | Ill pick theml up tomorrow | 20:54 |
| mordred | ttx: don't forget the follow up word fix too | 20:54 |
| ttx | #topic Workgroup reports | 20:54 |
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| sdague | yeh, there are some trival typo patches in the stack as well | 20:54 |
| ttx | Project team guide... | 20:55 |
| jeblair | ttx, mordred: indeed, that should be speedy approved. :) | 20:55 |
| ttx | I'd like the workgroup to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/project-team-guide+is:open,n,z | 20:55 |
| ttx | Couldn't get flaper87 to post an updated draft for the open development chapter before he went PTO | 20:55 |
| ttx | and I'd like us to have that chapter before we formally publish the first version of the guide | 20:55 |
| ttx | I'll probably pick up that chapter | 20:55 |
| ttx | "Next tags" workgroup... | 20:55 |
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| ttx | I mentioned it last week, and sdague started a thread about it -- a workgroup to actively seek and define useful missing tags | 20:55 |
| ttx | Currently we have sdague, russellb, zaneb, Ghe and me, which is already a good size, but feel free to join if you have free cycles | 20:55 |
| ttx | At this stage it's mostly individual brainstorming, but I'd like to start converging, so we'll likely set up a meeting soon | 20:56 |
| russellb | yeah a meeting sounds good to collect ideas and prioritize them | 20:56 |
| sdague | yep | 20:56 |
| russellb | and then i'm happy to carve one off and drive it | 20:56 |
| ttx | should we try this week ? I'm at OSCON next week | 20:56 |
| zaneb | ++ | 20:56 |
| russellb | this week is fine with me | 20:56 |
| ttx | like ~Friday or so | 20:57 |
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| russellb | yeah, Thursday or Friday for me | 20:57 |
| ttx | OK, will propose something | 20:57 |
| russellb | feels like a good Friday thing | 20:57 |
| russellb | for some reason | 20:57 |
| ttx | Communications... | 20:57 |
| zaneb | I am free most of Friday | 20:57 |
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| annegentle | comms communicating! but let's not do a post this week. | 20:57 |
| annegentle | please remember to tweet links to the posts. I'm also trying to get the "Categories" working so they're all collected | 20:58 |
| ttx | Anyone else ? | 20:58 |
| annegentle | #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/07/technical-committee-highlights-july-10-2015/ | 20:58 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:58 |
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| ttx | Next week I'll be in Portland for OSCON, so I originally thought I would miss the meeting, but I think I can actually make it, since it's around lunchtime | 20:58 |
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| ttx | Who will be around ? | 20:59 |
| annegentle | I should be | 20:59 |
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| markmcclain | I'll be on vacation next week | 20:59 |
| russellb | for the meeting or oscon | 20:59 |
| russellb | i'm around for the meeting. | 20:59 |
| mordred | I'll be on vacation next week | 20:59 |
| ttx | russellb: oscon, | 20:59 |
| mordred | and will not be on computers | 20:59 |
| * annegentle also around for the meeting, not oscon | 20:59 | |
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| sdague | nova midcycle next week so I'll be on MN instead | 20:59 |
| ttx | mordred: I tried that today, didn't work out well | 20:59 |
| lifeless | aye | 20:59 |
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| lifeless | I'll be there | 20:59 |
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| jeblair | i'll be around | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | I'll be online | 21:00 |
| ttx | Alright, let's do it | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | mordred: suuurrrreeee you won't :) | 21:00 |
| jeblair | i've significantly revised the stackforge patch https://review.openstack.org/192016 so please review it so i can get it in shape for the next meeting | 21:00 |
| ttx | If for some reason I don't show up, someone starts it please. Will be relying on conference wifi | 21:00 |
| * edleafe- will be lurking next week, too | 21:00 | |
| ttx | Last words ? | 21:00 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 21:01:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-07-14-20.02.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-07-14-20.02.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-07-14-20.02.log.html | 21:01 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 21:01 |
| russellb | thanks! | 21:01 |
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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting crossproject | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 14 21:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'crossproject' | 21:01 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 21:01 |
| tpatil | Hi | 21:01 |
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| nikhil_k | #info Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 21:03 |
| nikhil_k | Before we get started | 21:03 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 21:04 |
| boris-42 | hi | 21:04 |
| nikhil_k | I wanted to ask if there's anyone available to signup for volunteering chair for next week's meeting | 21:04 |
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| ttx | Won't be able to cover this one if nobody signs up | 21:04 |
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| * EmilienM in holidays | 21:05 | |
| ttx | so we'd likely skip the meeting if nobody volunteers :) | 21:05 |
| annegentle | do it, it's fun and rewarding! | 21:05 |
| EmilienM | annegentle: I put my name for August | 21:05 |
| annegentle | thanks EmilienM | 21:05 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 21:05 |
| fungi | "cancelled due to oscon" | 21:05 |
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| ttx | ok, cancelled it is, then! | 21:06 |
| nikhil_k | #agreed we will skip the meeting next week | 21:06 |
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| nikhil_k | Let's get started. | 21:07 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Team announcements (horizontal, vertical, diagonal) | 21:07 |
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| nikhil_k | #info horizontal announcements | 21:07 |
| nikhil_k | any news on this? | 21:08 |
| ttx | On release management side, I don't have anything specific to announce this week | 21:08 |
| ttx | dhellmann: anything ? | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | nothing from me this week | 21:08 |
| * ttx blames fireworks | 21:08 | |
| mtreinish | nothing this week for qa | 21:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Nova wise, we have our midcyle next week, no other big news | 21:08 |
| nikhil_k | I don't have a separate section for the API_WG specs, thought we can cover them here | 21:09 |
| elmiko | nikhil_k: we don't have any new specs to announce at this time. we will have more up for review later this week. | 21:09 |
| nikhil_k | thanks elmiko | 21:09 |
| nikhil_k | #info vertical announcements | 21:10 |
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| nikhil_k | Any other midcycles to announce? | 21:10 |
| jroll | ironic (finally) came to a consensus on how we're doing independent release cycles, and will be doing one shortly after we finish up one feature in flight | 21:10 |
| * notmyname is working on getting a new python-swiftclient release | 21:10 | |
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| notmyname | also, Swift will be doing a midcycle hackathon next month | 21:11 |
| jeblair | oh, on the release front, the infra spec for the automation around release tagging landed: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/centralize-release-tagging.html | 21:11 |
| jroll | oh, and ironic midcycle is 8/12-14 in seattle | 21:11 |
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| hogepodge | defcore mid-cycle in two weeks | 21:12 |
| nikhil_k | notmyname: mind adding the info here #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints ? | 21:12 |
| hogepodge | July 29/30 in Austin | 21:12 |
| EmilienM | nikhil_k: we have a virtual one | 21:13 |
| EmilienM | wiki is updated | 21:13 |
| EmilienM | puppet openstack group has a sprint (or midcycle) in september | 21:13 |
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| david-lyle | horizon midcycle is next week | 21:13 |
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| nikhil_k | good stuff | 21:14 |
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| gordc | since everyone is saying something, ceilometer had our's last week | 21:14 |
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| david-lyle | timely announcement ;) | 21:15 |
| nikhil_k | I guess we are short of announcements this week so we don't have a diagonal one | 21:15 |
| nikhil_k | But great to hear all the midcycle shout outs | 21:15 |
| nikhil_k | Moving on.. | 21:15 |
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| nikhil_k | A couple of cross project specs | 21:16 |
| nikhil_k | first up | 21:16 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Replace eventlet + monkey-patching with ?? | 21:16 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164035 | 21:16 |
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| nikhil_k | There are decent number of comments on it already but it would be nice to have diverse feedback | 21:17 |
| nikhil_k | Are there any crazy ideas for a replacement? | 21:18 |
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| nikhil_k | I like that John has written let's propose the most dramatic change first | 21:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | this is josh right? | 21:20 |
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| nikhil_k | Joshua Harlow, yes | 21:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I know glyph had some good ideas about slowly transitioning to twisted or async-io by using a non greenlet hub | 21:20 |
| nikhil_k | #help as a first work item on the spec: Request PTLs feedback/analysis on there own projects thread-safety. | 21:21 |
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| jroll | johnthetubaguy: indeed, I just pointed glyph at this spec | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: me too, dropped him an email, cools | 21:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly we need to identify actual issues really | 21:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am interested in swift's performance issues, I should catch up with the go folks about that I guess | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | I haven't looked over this in detail yet, but yeah, I'm pretty concerned about Swift being able to work under a thread/fork model | 21:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, my big issue was the DB problems, but it seems like we are making those go away, a little bit | 21:23 |
| nikhil_k | I think we have some in Glance right up front | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | ie today's swift clusters are required to handle many thousands of req/sec. | 21:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, dhellmann has come great comments on there, I should take a look | 21:24 |
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| jroll | I feel like this spec may be too large of a change (with too many unknowns) to reasonably discuss and come to any consensus in this meeting | 21:26 |
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| nikhil_k | yeah, seems like this spec needs some use cases from OpenStack projects | 21:27 |
| jroll | clearly eventlet has some problems | 21:27 |
| jroll | threads and asyncio also have problems | 21:27 |
| jroll | we need to evaluate the real-world usefulness of switching more | 21:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: right, I don't see anything compelling enough in the spec | 21:27 |
| jroll | johnthetubaguy: agree | 21:28 |
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| nikhil_k | thanks guys | 21:28 |
| nikhil_k | moving on.. | 21:28 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Service Catalog updates | 21:29 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393 | 21:29 |
| annegentle | holla | 21:29 |
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| annegentle | exciting topic, I know! | 21:29 |
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| nikhil_k | Looks neatly written ;-) | 21:30 |
| annegentle | I agree ha ha :) | 21:30 |
| nikhil_k | +1 on Standard required naming for endpoints | 21:30 |
| annegentle | as usual, naming is the hardest part, but I think we can get a lot done towards consistency in the catalog | 21:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: I think you hit all the key issues there | 21:31 |
| annegentle | sdague as partner-in-crime, er, collab | 21:32 |
| annegentle | I hope we got everything, the etherpad got hosed, cough cough, but I think it's good-to-go | 21:32 |
| jroll | kind-of-side-question: is there a way for keystone to send different catalogs for internal/external use? | 21:33 |
| jroll | (I know little-to-nothing about catalogs, feel free to tell me that's a dumb question) | 21:33 |
| annegentle | jroll: hm, I dunno. dolphm or morgan would know | 21:33 |
| annegentle | jroll: it would certainly neaten up things | 21:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | jroll: I need to look at some of that for the nova config | 21:34 |
| jroll | annegentle: as an operator, that feels kind of key to me | 21:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are the three urls I think | 21:34 |
| dolphm | jroll: sort of. there's a feature called endpoint filtering that lets you whitelist certain endpoints for certain projects | 21:34 |
| dolphm | jroll: just don't mistake it for security by obscurity! | 21:34 |
| mtreinish | jroll: there are different endpoint types you can set for a service | 21:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the handing it out the end user issue thats not so good | 21:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | it only being in nova config is handy | 21:35 |
| jroll | dolphm: of course, more like "nova should use this neutron endpoint that's only accessible internally" | 21:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | dolphm +1 on the obscurity thing, but this is more URLs on an internal network that are of no use to end users | 21:35 |
| jroll | I'm not opposed to continuing to put the url in config files, but this spec specifically calls that out as bad | 21:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: yeah, I was adding a comment on that just now | 21:36 |
| dolphm | jroll: that's the intention of the "internal" endpoint interface type | 21:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dolphm: maybe the filtering stops us handing that out the the user, and thats the bit thats handy | 21:36 |
| jroll | dolphm: ok, cool. I want to make sure that doesn't get nuked here :) | 21:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | dolphm: for glance its a round robin list of ips in some cases | 21:36 |
| nikhil_k | is this a good place to bring up sub-project endpoints possiblity? | 21:36 |
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| nikhil_k | I may just put that comment in the spec | 21:37 |
| annegentle | nikhil_k: sure, would like an example | 21:37 |
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| annegentle | I'm glad this made it on the cross project agenda so I could get a sense of whether we've all looked at it | 21:37 |
| annegentle | so it can go another week or so | 21:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: ah, so one possible issue | 21:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if you use keystone auth for non-openstack project | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | you might get name clashes | 21:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the catalog | 21:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | like there could be two sorts of compute APIs | 21:38 |
| nikhil_k | given we will establish a naming criterion it would be nice to assume that we may have more than one endpoint per project-scope | 21:38 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: yeah I'm not sure what to do about that, alluded to it with the tie-in to projects.yaml for service name | 21:38 |
| devananda | on the keystone "give different endpoints for internal/external use" -- morganfainberg ? | 21:38 |
| nikhil_k | I think the namespacing liek the one above should help ^ ? | 21:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: I was just thinking os-compute rather than compute, but its messy :( | 21:39 |
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| jroll | devananda: I think dolphm answered that for me :) | 21:39 |
| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: yah | 21:39 |
| devananda | jroll: oh, cool. i missed it in the scrollback then | 21:39 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg is traveling today | 21:39 |
| dolphm | our midcycle starts tomorrow | 21:39 |
| annegentle | definitely comment on the review and I'll respond | 21:40 |
| devananda | re: service names vs. project names -- i think this is more complex than we're giving it credit for | 21:40 |
| nikhil_k | annegentle: "The tying between auth and getting a service catalog seems unnecessary" -- this might be tricky in some cases | 21:40 |
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| annegentle | devananda: seriously... | 21:41 |
| nikhil_k | I think some value added services that we keep optional and may be exposed to say premium users | 21:41 |
| devananda | "might get name clashes" is unacceptable. two different services with different REST APIs both registering with the same name in keystone? ..... | 21:41 |
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| nikhil_k | in such cases exposing the endpoint might be irrelevant | 21:41 |
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| annegentle | devananda: I think we need to tie to governance/projects.yaml to ensure unique | 21:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: so its actually happened already, I think, we use the same auth for our old cloud and openstack cloud, I think the old one is call "compute" already, but I could be wrong | 21:42 |
| devananda | annegentle: I agree. Except that puts the TC back in the seat of blessing things | 21:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | annegentle: well I am talking non-openstack projects using keystone really | 21:42 |
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| devananda | johnthetubaguy: there are a lot of new-openstack-projects that dont have official service names, right? | 21:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | our in this context being rackspace, I need to stop using pronouns | 21:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: very true, containers? | 21:43 |
| * devananda checks his assumption in the gov repo | 21:43 | |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: well, I am thinking about the competing ones that are not yet registered as such, the folks looking in the door of the tent, or something | 21:44 |
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| nikhil_k | If someone has a single deployment (under same keystone) as hybrid (pub + priv) then name clashes are evident | 21:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | nikhil_k: that would be different regions I think | 21:45 |
| kfox1111 | there should be uniquenes per region though. | 21:45 |
| devananda | exactly - unique per region | 21:45 |
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| annegentle | johnthetubaguy: yeah it's the competing ones I was thinking of orignally | 21:45 |
| annegentle | (I can't spell) | 21:45 |
| devananda | but if I had two computes in the same region, with different REST APIs, well, that's broken | 21:45 |
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| devananda | anyway, perhaps we're bikeshedding now | 21:45 |
| kfox1111 | x-container until approved? :) | 21:45 |
| nikhil_k | hmm, I don't have a real world use case where the same oper uses the same DC for pub and priv so will take the region argument | 21:46 |
| annegentle | devananda: we have that at Rackspace now with "first gen compute" and "next gen compute" and yea it is confusing | 21:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | devananda: yeah, so Rackspace has that, sort of, but anyways, fun fun | 21:46 |
| annegentle | :) | 21:46 |
| nikhil_k | I guess we've enough spice to see the spec move forward in some direction | 21:46 |
| annegentle | sure, thanks nikhil_k | 21:46 |
| nikhil_k | I see tpatil sneaked in his etherpad | 21:47 |
| tpatil | hi | 21:47 |
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| nikhil_k | #topic return request-id to caller | 21:47 |
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| tpatil | In the last meeting, lifeless suggested to return x-openstack-request-id back to the caller in the response itself. | 21:47 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/request-id | 21:47 |
| tpatil | We have analyzed and documented all cinder client methods information in google spreadsheet | 21:47 |
| tpatil | #link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1al6_XBHgKT8-N7HS7j_L2H5c4CFD0fB8xT93z6REkSk/edit?usp=sharing | 21:47 |
| tpatil | There are 6 different values returned from volume/snapshots methods | 21:47 |
| tpatil | list, dict, resource class object, None, Tuple(Response object, None), Cinder exception | 21:47 |
| tpatil | For each of the above return value, we have identified what changes are required to pass response headers containing x-openstack-request-id in it. You can find all that information on the etherpad | 21:48 |
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| tpatil | I would like to talk about few limitations of solution #3 | 21:48 |
| tpatil | Deleting metadata is one big problem as internally it deletes metadata key one by one so it’s not possible to return response header back to the caller | 21:48 |
| tpatil | Retrieving x-openstack-request-id from response is not uniform for each method | 21:49 |
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| tpatil | You can see example of how to get x-openstack-request-id here | 21:49 |
| tpatil | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201434/2/nova/volume/cinder.py, refer to _cinder_volumes method. | 21:49 |
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| tpatil | POC: python-cinderclient patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201428/ | 21:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: I thought we were thinking about a list of request-ids, for the general case? I can't remember why that was a bad idea now | 21:49 |
| lifeless | johnthetubaguy: I don't see why it would be a bad idea | 21:50 |
| lifeless | clearly one-call-one-id is the special case | 21:50 |
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| tpatil | johnthetubaguy: for snapshot list, there will be single request, so we have added ListWithHeader which will contain response header | 21:50 |
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| jroll | I think I like option one, where get_request_id() returns a list or request IDs | 21:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: sorry, not sure I get the comment, we can return a list of request-ids in all cases I think | 21:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: agreed we should have one option | 21:52 |
| jroll | s/list or/list of/ | 21:52 |
| tpatil | johnthetubaguy: Are you talking about deleting metadata case? | 21:52 |
| jroll | tpatil: all cases | 21:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | tpatil: talking about all cases really | 21:53 |
| jroll | a list can have one item | 21:53 |
| jroll | if there's one request, return a list of one request ID | 21:53 |
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| jroll | in the order the requests were made | 21:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I feel asleep just before the meeting, so only half awake, but I thought we discussed this a few weeks back, and went for a list of request-ids, I figured we found something bad with that and went back to a single request-id, but my mind is probably playing tricks on me | 21:54 |
| lifeless | nope | 21:54 |
| lifeless | the main thing last week was the discussion about return-with or separate-call or trigger-event | 21:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it was maybe the week before we got into request-ids vs a list, but it probably got buried somewhere | 21:55 |
| nikhil_k | and I believe we wanted to return objects? | 21:55 |
| jroll | return-with seems bad for the obvious reason that the return value may have different types | 21:55 |
| jroll | separate-call seems like the most straightforward option, from a dev standpoint | 21:55 |
| tpatil | jroll: that's one concern we have | 21:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I thought the idea was we pass the return value to a function that extracts the value for the user? | 21:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we get the best of both worlds | 21:56 |
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| lifeless | jroll: so its hugely racy and hard to get right, from a dev standpoint | 21:56 |
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| nikhil_k | I agree, it very racy with separate call | 21:56 |
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| lifeless | johnthetubaguy: yeah, or just an attribute at a well known place... | 21:56 |
| lifeless | return values of None, True and False are where its tricky | 21:57 |
| jroll | lifeless: thing = client.do_a_thing(); req_id = thing.request_ids() # is racy and hard? | 21:57 |
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| lifeless | jroll: Thats return-with | 21:57 |
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| kfox1111 | we going to have time for open discussion before the end? | 21:57 |
| jroll | oh. ohhhh. I totally had this backward. | 21:57 |
| lifeless | jroll: thing = client.do_a_thing(); req_ids = client.get_request_ids() # thats separate-call | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: I think the issue before was client.do_a_thing() client.get_request_id() | 21:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that | 21:58 |
| nikhil_k | Ok, I think we have some interest for open discussion | 21:58 |
| jroll | lifeless: yeah, got it. it doesn't return a response object | 21:58 |
| tpatil | Request everyone to please add your feedback to the etherpad so that I can include it in the specs | 21:58 |
| tpatil | by next meeting | 21:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I think we have support for #3 here? | 21:58 |
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| nikhil_k | Looks like we need to move this discussion to the etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/request-id | 21:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are just arguing about what it is called | 21:58 |
| nikhil_k | tpatil: no meeting next week (pls scroll back) | 21:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but maybe thats just me? | 21:58 |
| tpatil | I know, next-to-next meeting | 21:58 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Open Discussion | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: crossproject)" | 21:59 | |
| nikhil_k | may be we can roll over a min or two if needed | 21:59 |
| kfox1111 | The instance user spec could use some attention: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186617/ | 21:59 |
| nikhil_k | kfox1111 ^ | 21:59 |
| annegentle | don't forget, tomorrow's the deadline for the Call for Speakers https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/ | 22:00 |
| annegentle | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/call-for-speakers/ | 22:00 |
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| hogepodge | I mentioned it earlier, but anyone who is interested in interop and testing standards please think about attending the defcore mid-cycle #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreFlag.MidCycle | 22:00 |
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| elmiko | kfox1111: i'll take a look, sahara could really use something like this | 22:01 |
| kfox1111 | elmiko: thanks. | 22:01 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. most of the projects that build on top of vm's seem to need it. | 22:01 |
| nikhil_k | Alright, we are out of time now. | 22:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | kfox1111: thanks for moving this to the backlog, it would be good to get eyes on these ideas | 22:02 |
| elmiko | i thought it was a cool idea last time this came up | 22:02 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks for joining, have a great day/evening! | 22:02 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 14 22:02:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-07-14-21.01.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-07-14-21.01.txt | 22:02 |
| annegentle | thanks nikhil_k | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/crossproject/2015/crossproject.2015-07-14-21.01.log.html | 22:02 |
| elmiko | thanks nikhil_k | 22:02 |
| tpatil | Thanks! | 22:02 |
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