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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 13 14:01:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:01 |
| andreykurilin | aloha! | 14:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:02 |
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| rvasilets | \o | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | Todays agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally | 14:02 |
| yingjun | hi! | 14:02 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally#Agenda | 14:02 |
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| kun_huang | :) | 14:02 |
| e0ne | oops. i forgot about agenda:( | 14:02 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: you have few minutes | 14:03 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: to fix it=) | 14:03 |
| e0ne | :) | 14:03 |
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| e0ne | i've got 2 annoucements only | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: just mention them in Agenda | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's start and hope that other will come to meeting as well=) | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: are you around? | 14:05 |
| stpierre | yes | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: nice =) | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Supporting Solaris | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Supporting Solaris (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:06 | |
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| boris-42 | albertw: ^ | 14:06 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so?) | 14:06 |
| albertw | I'm here | 14:06 |
| stpierre | i'm not sure why i'm leading this topic tbh, but i'll give it a go i guess :) | 14:06 |
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| stpierre | it sounds like there'd be a lot of value to be gained (both for us and for people who want to run rally) by supporting solaris. but we don't have a realistic idea of the costs. we need CI infrastructure for solaris if we're going to support it, and we need to make sure that our docs and supporting shell scripts work on solaris | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | #info stpierre: so I will work on CI as soon as possible | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | it's really not hard task | 14:08 |
| kun_huang | actually it is not 100% necessary to maintain Solaris CI | 14:09 |
| kun_huang | I was in Swift, and there are also many operating systems need support | 14:09 |
| stpierre | there's no need to repeat the mistakes of other projects, though :) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | albertw: small question. What version of python is delivered with latest Solaris? | 14:10 |
| albertw | let me know if you need any help. I'd already suggest some changes to get the install script to work on solaris, but as stpierre mentioned in a bug there are other changes needed to really support it (e.g. check the required packages are installed) | 14:10 |
| kun_huang | just keep the users submit patch theirself | 14:10 |
| albertw | python 2.7.9 | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | albertw: btw does solaris suport python 2.7? | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | nice | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | albertw: great | 14:10 |
| stpierre | our CI coverage is already limited enough -- e.g., we don't test Python 2.6 although we support it -- so if we're going to expand to other platforms i think it's reasonable to expect to expand CI coverage along with it | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | #info Solaris support 2.7.9 (shoudn't be hard to support) | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: as far as I know Oracle is ready to give us resources for testing Solaris | 14:11 |
| stpierre | albertw: IMO the best course of action will be to get Solaris CI going, then expand our test coverage of install_rally.sh and fix whatever we find | 14:11 |
| stpierre | boris-42: awesome | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so hardware shoulnd't be issue | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: what do you mean by "we don't test Python 2.6 "? we have gate-rally-python26 | 14:12 |
| stpierre | hrm, is that new? | 14:12 |
| stpierre | i know i've submitted at least one patch that had a python 2.7-ism, and it wasn't caught by unit tests | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: nope it's not new=) | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: not everything is covered by unit test (and that is second issue) | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: but we should add as well python2.6 dsvm-cli job | 14:13 |
| stpierre | ah, that may be it | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: I will try to understand how to do that in Mirantis Rally CI | 14:13 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so we will increase the coverage * | 14:13 |
| stpierre | yay! | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: as well it's spearated topic from Solaris | 14:13 |
| stpierre | yeah | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | as far as it supports 2.7 things are good | 14:14 |
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| stpierre | yep | 14:14 |
| stpierre | and if we're going to get solaris CI, i think that's the best way to start | 14:14 |
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| boris-42 | #agreed We will support Solaris and we will start from CI for it | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | #topic Should we support py26? | 14:15 |
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| e0ne | boris-42: yes. if rally is a lib/framework/service/etc and supports old openstack releases, it should support python2.6 too:( | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: we are installing always latest clients | 14:16 |
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| andreykurilin | and latest clients will drop py26 in near future | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: so actually there is only one problem if you are trying to run Rally against system without py2.7 or py3 | 14:17 |
| kun_huang | only centos 6.6 use python 2.6 by default in my mind | 14:17 |
| e0ne | boris-42, andreykurilin: imo, rally should follow the same practiece as clients | 14:17 |
| stpierre | as a developer, i'd really love for the answer to be 'no.' as a former sysadmin, i feel like the answer should probably still be 'yes'. RHEL 6 is still supported for 5.5 more years, after all. | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin | If we stop support of py26, we will be able to remove https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/costilius.py module | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:18 |
| stpierre | and while we don't necessarily need to follow RHEL's support model (after all, they've got SCLs now), py2.6 is still obviously a going concern for lots of people | 14:18 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: andreykurilin so let's support it until it is possible | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | we have docker image, which should help to launch rally on distros without py27 | 14:19 |
| stpierre | that's true | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: what about release 0.1.0 and say that this is the last release with support of 2.6 . We can mark it with some tag | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | ? | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: why do you think that 0.1.0 will be the last release?) | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: btw we should learn how to cup our reqruirements | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: otherwise during time we will get our release broken ( | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: we have not ability to do it now | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin | maybe dhellmann or lifeless can help us with such ability | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: we can remove rally from requriments checker job (or make it non voting) | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: cup releases | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: cut release | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: hm... | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: rever cup and make job voting back | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | not the best ever workflow but... | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | okay what we need to do is | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: move on?:) | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | #action Talk without dhellmann about cuping release versions in requriments | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | #topic stucked specs | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: ^ your idea?) | 14:27 |
| kun_huang | "Enhance Rally API" ? | 14:27 |
| kun_huang | I and yingjun would like to work on it:) | 14:28 |
| kun_huang | yingjun: ping | 14:28 |
| yingjun | i’m here | 14:28 |
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| kun_huang | boris-42: yingjun and I talked about this privately, and we two could push this work further | 14:29 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182245/ | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: yingjun okay sounds nice to me I will try to find time to re-review it today | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: yingjun so I believe that topic should be more preciese next time | 14:30 |
| kun_huang | but is Alexander Maretskiy here? | 14:30 |
| amaretskiy | kun_huang: hi :) | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: he should be LOL=) | 14:30 |
| kun_huang | amaretskiy: let's finish the spec together first :) | 14:31 |
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| amaretskiy | i left my comments on this spec | 14:31 |
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| amaretskiy | I'm watching this spec | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | and will make a review as soon as new patch set is ready | 14:32 |
| kun_huang | amaretskiy: thanks :) | 14:32 |
| stpierre | next stuck spec: "Refactoring Rally cleanup" has been stuck for a while. i propose splitting it in two: 1) consistent resource naming (which has two separate POCs, so is basically code complete); and 2) the actual cleanup. | 14:33 |
| stpierre | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172967/ | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: +2 | 14:33 |
| kun_huang | +1 | 14:33 |
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| stpierre | ok, i will make it so. that was easy :) | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: put agreed tag* | 14:33 |
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| amaretskiy | but who will submit patch sets on spec Enhance Rally API ? | 14:33 |
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| kun_huang | amaretskiy: I will | 14:34 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:34 |
| stpierre | #agreed Split "Refactoring Rally cleanup": 1) consistent resource naming; 2) the actual cleanup. | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep kun_huang will work on it | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: you have a lot of work on graphs part | 14:34 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42: yes :) | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: but please don't start working on patches until I review the spec | 14:34 |
| kun_huang | hah, no problem | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: that spec is part of very very big refactoring of Rally | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: so it can be make in different ways but only one is right=) | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | Okay le'ts move to next topic? | 14:36 |
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| rvasilets | yes) | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | #topic sucked patches (pain) | 14:37 |
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| boris-42 | I will start this topic | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | guys, sorry, I need to go:( | 14:37 |
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| boris-42 | We have set of pboldin patches | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177014/25 | 14:37 |
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| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177014/25 | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | ^ that are ready for merge (almost all branch) | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | so please cores take a look at it | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | any other extra stuck patches? | 14:39 |
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| rvasilets | I have no clue | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: kun_huang e0ne ^ | 14:41 |
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| boris-42 | guys? | 14:42 |
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| amaretskiy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194745/9 | 14:43 |
| e0ne | boris-42: nothing from me | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: how about next one? | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: when it will be ready? | 14:43 |
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| amaretskiy | i'm working on streaming algorithms (percentile, median) | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: but there are already streaming alogrithms for that | 14:44 |
| amaretskiy | they are already working, I'm going to push patch set tomorrow | 14:44 |
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| stpierre | nothing from me. i've got a few older patches, but it's not causing me any pain | 14:44 |
| amaretskiy | we do not have streaming median and percentile | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/streaming_algorithms.py#L39-L82 | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/streaming_algorithms.py#L38 | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | mean is not median | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ah yep sure | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ok | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: sorry * | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | actually median is 50 percent percentile | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | so the only algorithm is percentile | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: okay let's move to net topic | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | got it almost working | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | just making more accurate _ tests | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | #topic Who is in charge for moderating 2 next meetings? | 14:46 |
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| amaretskiy | * + tests | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: kun_huang stpierre andreykurilin ^ | 14:46 |
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| stpierre | i'll take them | 14:47 |
| stpierre | i'm going to be out of town for most of august, so i'll get it out of the way now | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | #agreed stpierre is going to be in charge for next two meethings | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: thanks | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | so basically it's not hard task a bit boring=) but okay | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Murano benchmarks | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: ping | 14:49 |
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| rvasilets | I'm here | 14:49 |
| rvasilets | typing | 14:49 |
| rvasilets | So, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195677/ Murano bench is already finished. And there functional is working. I want you to review it. Alsoo please take a look is all temp files is deleted | 14:50 |
| rvasilets | For me they all are delete but its not proper behavior | 14:51 |
| rvasilets | So please review it | 14:51 |
| rvasilets | eom | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: ok thanks for update | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | let's move to next | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | #topic Cinder benchmarks | 14:52 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: ping | 14:52 |
| e0ne | few anouncements from me | 14:52 |
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| e0ne | in cinder, we're going to make rally job voting | 14:53 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: WOOT | 14:53 |
| e0ne | after merging this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194180/ | 14:53 |
| e0ne | i'll create patch for infra:) | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: so i need to finish asap support of V2 version=) | 14:53 |
| e0ne | boris-42: yep:) | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: there is not to much to do | 14:53 |
| e0ne | boris-42: and i'll send this mo openstack-dev ml | 14:53 |
| e0ne | boris-42: and, of cource, i'm working on list of cinder api rally coverage | 14:54 |
| e0ne | boris-42: i hope, will finish it tonight | 14:54 |
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| e0ne | so, that's all from my side:) | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: great | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | thank you for update | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | so let's finish meeting? | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | we discussed everything | 14:55 |
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| rvasilets | no) | 14:55 |
| rvasilets | ironic | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: oh | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | #topic ironic | 14:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ironic (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:56 | |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: okay | 14:56 |
| rvasilets | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186064/ | 14:56 |
| rvasilets | They are already finished | 14:56 |
| rvasilets | and pboldin already review it | 14:56 |
| rvasilets | I have fixed his comments | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: what about ironic guys? | 14:56 |
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| rvasilets | I don't no/ I have not ping them | 14:57 |
| rvasilets | I asked to see only one Ironic guy | 14:57 |
| rvasilets | but he is not core | 14:57 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: core in ironic? | 14:57 |
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| rvasilets | yes | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: so please ask as well somebody from core team | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | I will review it as well | 14:58 |
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| boris-42 | okay now we have to finish meeting | 14:58 |
| rvasilets | They a vote +1 previously) | 14:58 |
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| boris-42 | see you guys in rally chat | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 13 14:58:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-07-13-14.01.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-07-13-14.01.txt | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-07-13-14.01.log.html | 14:58 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 13 15:06:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | sorry I'm late | 15:06 |
| anteaya | I got distracted | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | how is everyone? | 15:06 |
| rhe00_ | hi | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | hello | 15:07 |
| anteaya | hi | 15:07 |
| rhe00_ | trying to make nodepool be my friend again | 15:07 |
| anteaya | anyone who was at the spring last week want to give a report? | 15:07 |
| rhe00_ | not going so well right now. :( | 15:07 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: you attended, want to share your thoughts? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | rhe00_: we can get to taht next | 15:08 |
| ociuhandu | hello all | 15:08 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: yes, I did get a few patches submitted. The sprint was good | 15:08 |
| mmedvede | a lot of participation | 15:08 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 15:08 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: was that the first virtual sprint you attended? | 15:08 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: the first one was puppet module-split | 15:09 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: ah | 15:09 |
| anteaya | any thoughts on how they were different or similar? | 15:09 |
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| mmedvede | the module-split was more 'mechanical', just following the template. This one is harder, as everything needs to be tested and has more chances to affect Infra | 15:10 |
| anteaya | I agree | 15:11 |
| anteaya | thanks for the summary | 15:11 |
| anteaya | anyone with any other thoughts about the sprint? | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | well thanks to all those that attended | 15:11 |
| anteaya | I don't have the exact stats but it was a great success | 15:12 |
| anteaya | thanks asselin for putting it together and running it | 15:12 |
| anteaya | rhe00_: you are having some nodepool issues currently? | 15:12 |
| anteaya | rhe00_: have you a paste or log so we have something to look at and create a shared understanding? | 15:12 |
| rhe00_ | yes, however unfortunately nodepool has been very sparse with information about what goes wrong. | 15:13 |
| rhe00_ | first it would spin up new instances after completed tests. I attributed that to timeouts reading the database | 15:13 |
| rhe00_ | so I dropped the nodepool database and now it won't finish building images | 15:14 |
| rhe00_ | it just stops without any messages as to why | 15:14 |
| rhe00_ | so unfortunately I have no logs to share at the moment | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | dropped the nodepool database? | 15:14 |
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| rhe00_ | yes | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | I would think a database would be sort of important | 15:15 |
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| rhe00_ | someone in the infra group suggested that to force nodepool to rebuild it's view of the world from scratch | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | ah | 15:16 |
| anteaya | so recreate the database | 15:16 |
| rhe00_ | yes, nodepool has recreated the database again | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | what verision or patchset of nodepool are you running? | 15:16 |
| rhe00_ | 0.0.1 | 15:17 |
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| rhe00_ | it worked great for months and then quit on me | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | quit on me | 15:18 |
| rhe00_ | I have cleaned up the debug prints a bit in hopes to catch why it doesn't finish building the images | 15:18 |
| mmedvede | rhe00_: you should also try to manually update the image, with 'nodepool image-update', this way you would see what goes wrong if your update does not work | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | how did it quit on you | 15:18 |
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| rhe00_ | anteaya: that's when it stopped spinning up new nodes | 15:19 |
| anteaya | did you restart it at all? | 15:20 |
| rhe00_ | the old nodes where stuck in deleting state | 15:20 |
| rhe00_ | were | 15:20 |
| rhe00_ | yes, many times | 15:20 |
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| mmedvede | rhe00_: which cloud do you use for your VMs? | 15:20 |
| rhe00_ | mmedvede: I have never been successful running nodepool image-update | 15:20 |
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| rhe00_ | it errors out. from what I recall it complains about permissions | 15:21 |
| anteaya | there have been two more nodepool releases since 0.0.1 http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/nodepool/refs/ | 15:21 |
| anteaya | have you considered upgrading to 0.1.1 perhaps? | 15:21 |
| rhe00_ | mmedvede: I use a packstack Juno | 15:21 |
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| rhe00_ | anteaya: I will try upgrading next. Everything was working with what I had so I did not want to touch it. Didn't think of looking for a newer version. Thanks for the idea! | 15:22 |
| rhe00_ | anyway. I don't have to take up your time as I have no logs to share. | 15:23 |
| mmedvede | rhe00_: first thing I would do is to try manually booting the VM on your cloud, and taking a snapshot of it. If it works, then most likely nodepool image-update fails running the update scripts. | 15:23 |
| anteaya | rhe00_: yes tough to figure out what is happening under the hood with no logs | 15:23 |
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| mmedvede | rhe00_: I assume you are using prepare_node.sh for update, and not disk-image-builder though. I have no experience with latter. | 15:24 |
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| rhe00_ | mmedvede: I use the prepare_node.sh. No disk-image. | 15:25 |
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| rhe00_ | I'll wait for the current image build to stop building and then upgrade if I don't see anything in the logs. | 15:25 |
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| rhe00_ | Thanks for the feedback. Feel free to move on. | 15:26 |
| anteaya | do you feel you have a way forward for the moment? | 15:26 |
| anteaya | okay thanks moving on | 15:26 |
| anteaya | anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:26 |
| rhe00_ | I will wait for this build to either complete or silently stop | 15:26 |
| anteaya | rhe00_: hopefully it will complete | 15:26 |
| mmedvede | rhe00_: ping me in IRC later if you still have problems. I have to deal with nodepool often | 15:27 |
| rhe00_ | mmedvede: Thanks! I will if I get stuck. | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | if folks have time to look at the puppet-openstackci repo | 15:28 |
| anteaya | asselin is working on a patch for a config for a simple common ci setup | 15:28 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200330/ | 15:28 |
| anteaya | it is WIP but it would be nice for folks to take a look at it | 15:28 |
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| janonymous_ | o/ | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | I have one question myself about zuul logging actually | 15:29 |
| anteaya | perhaps test it out and see what kind of results they get with it | 15:29 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: go ahead | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | I have started using common-ci and puppet-zuul logging.conf | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | and my logs grew to 80G overnight | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | Does Infra regularly purging logs on their zuul server? | 15:30 |
| mmedvede | Or does it look like a glitch on my setup to you? | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: that's not so good | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | we dont' tend to purge logs anywhere | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | fungi: any thoughts on zuul log growth of 80G overnight? | 15:31 |
| mmedvede | I know that offending part is gerrit logger, so I did disable it. So I wonder if puppet-zuul logging.conf needs to be patched. | 15:31 |
| anteaya | what is the content of the logs? | 15:31 |
| anteaya | that is good feedback yes, we don't want logs to explode for folks using our tools | 15:32 |
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| fungi | would be good to know what logging levels you have set | 15:33 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: when I checked, it was mostly filled with gerrit patch information (all comments, etc) | 15:33 |
| fungi | we run ours with fairly detailed debug logging enabled, but we also have a lot of room for /var/log to accomodate it | 15:33 |
| fungi | er, accommodate | 15:33 |
| mmedvede | fungi: I have used the current logging.conf in puppet-zuul. Is there any other config that affects zuul logging? | 15:34 |
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| fungi | but 80g is way more than what we end up with | 15:34 |
| mmedvede | fungi: ok, this is good to hear. This hints on something being wrong for our instance | 15:35 |
| fungi | mmedvede: that's where you adjust the log levels, yes | 15:35 |
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| fungi | mmedvede: for example gear is set to warning and higher right now. if you switch it to debug then expect your logs to explode | 15:36 |
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| fungi | mmedvede: anyway, if you analyze your logs to find out the bulk of what's in them, that will likely tell you what's causing them to be so large suddenly | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 15:38 |
| mmedvede | fungi: ok. I would look further. I was afraid to open a 20G log file :) | 15:38 |
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| mmedvede | fungi: thank you | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | any more thoughts on this topic? | 15:39 |
| fungi | mmedvede: you could always do something like `tail -n1000 /var/log/zuul/zuul.log|less` | 15:40 |
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| fungi | so that you're only loading the last 1000 lines into the pager | 15:40 |
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| mmedvede | fungi: right. That is the good way to chekc | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | anything more here? | 15:42 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss? | 15:42 |
| anteaya | does anyone have a good reason why I should keep the meeting open? | 15:43 |
| anteaya | thanks all for your kind attendance and participation | 15:43 |
| anteaya | enjoy the rest of the local time of day/night for you | 15:44 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: thanks | 15:44 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 13 15:44:11 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-13-15.06.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-13-15.06.txt | 15:44 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thank you | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-07-13-15.06.log.html | 15:44 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 13 16:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
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| gpaz | Hi | 16:00 |
| ^Gal^ | Hello | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:01 |
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| xylan_kong | hi | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, I think there's enough people to start | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | so the agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MistralAgenda | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review action items | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov, others: review and discuss Lingxian's proposal about removing wf_trace module | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | I haven't done this yet, sorry | 16:03 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | so I'll keep it for myself | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: review and discuss Lingxian's proposal about removing wf_trace module | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. rakhmerov: start working on deadlock problem in scheduler | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | on this one, I decided to postpone it | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | because there's a couple of things that seem to be even more annoying | 16:05 |
| xylan_kong | hi, rakhmerov, is there any detailed info abou this topic | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1469926 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469926 in Mistral liberty "task with ERROR doesn't post any result" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: what do you mean? | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | which one? deadlock? | 16:05 |
| xylan_kong | yes | 16:05 |
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| xylan_kong | i even don't know that, want to know the context | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | well, before the last Winson's patch our Scheduler (scheduler.py) seemed to have a deadlock | 16:06 |
| m4dcoder | hi | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hi m4dcoder! | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | so something was wrong with transactions in it and we need to investigate it | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | because the way how it was done in our opinion was correct but it turned to be not | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | right now what we have in scheduler doesn't provide a guarantee that a delayed call will be eventually made | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | it doesn't have that deadlock | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | so next one | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | 3. NikolayM, akuznetsova: finish fixing http://logs.openstack.org/35/193435/4/check/gate-mistral-devstack-dsvm/39237fd/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | this is done | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, akuznetsova: well done! | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | 4. rakhmerov, xylan_kong, NikolayM: review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-executions-screen BP on Tue | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | done (at least by myself) | 16:09 |
| xylan_kong | me too | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:09 |
| xylan_kong | leave my comments | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | yep | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | 5. rakhmerov, tsufiev: provide all initial links on Merlin and Workbook Builder | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm not sure this is done but I guess ^Gal^ already started communicating with Timur | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: is this correct? | 16:10 |
| melisha1 | It is correct | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
| ^Gal^ | yep | 16:11 |
| ^Gal^ | I'm working on executions atm | 16:11 |
| ^Gal^ | were starting to work on tasks tomorrow | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | so on Merlin and WB Builder Timur is basically the only one proved source of information :) | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | 6. rakhmerov: make sure to create a BP about integrating WB Builder into Mistral Dashboard project | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-integrate-wb-builder | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | as you may guess, I just created it :) | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | so this is done | 16:13 |
| xylan_kong | hehe | 16:13 |
| melisha1 | :-) | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | 7. [1]melisha: review Lingxian's patches | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | I don't remember which exact patches though | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | maybe the service api | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | so it's up to Moshe, I guess he knows what it means | 16:14 |
| melisha1 | I hadn't done it yet. Sorry | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | no problem | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | me too :) | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | sorry xylan_kong, if you're going to Tokyo a beer for you at my expense ) | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: np | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | anyway, I'll do this this week | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: I'll remember what you said :-) | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | abou the beer | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | sure, you should! | 16:16 |
| melisha1 | A beer pm me as well | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | ok, sounds good | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's continue | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | as usually, let's quickly tell our statuses | 16:16 |
| melisha1 | Creating BPs for all CRUD screens | 16:17 |
| xylan_kong | my status: i am still working on service api implementation, have discussed with Winson heavily. not very productive last week, so many internal meetings, prepare for slides, etc. | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: mostly doing reviews, participating in email and etherpad discussions, started working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1469926 (sent a starting patch today) | 16:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1469926 in Mistral liberty "task with ERROR doesn't post any result" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:18 |
| melisha1 | LimorS is finalizing puppet installation and will start to work on Mistral Qpid NO soon | 16:18 |
| m4dcoder | still working on error-resume | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:19 |
| xylan_kong | melisha1: about the mistral puppet work, will you contribute back to upstream? | 16:19 |
| ^Gal^ | I'm on execution screen on mistral-dashboard, we're also getting Liat (the fellow member to join) up to speed | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: yeah, internal stuff is ok, I have to spend some time on it too | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | my status: fixed issues in patches related to new RPC, fixed bugs with tests and one related to API | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:19 |
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| melisha1 | Liat will start the tasks screen | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: how is that pause-resume thing going? | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | I saw that there was non WIP patch about a week ago but then you made it WIP again | 16:20 |
| m4dcoder | still working on the internal mechanism, not at the interface yet. | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | would you like to discuss anything? | 16:20 |
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| m4dcoder | but i can resume from error, with-items, at join. | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | we can have a meeting if you want | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:20 |
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| m4dcoder | i'm roadblocked for a particular use case but working thru that. no need to meet just yet. | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, ok, I see | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | just keep us posted pls and let us know if you need any help | 16:21 |
| gpaz | I started to work on expiration-policies there is a new BP for that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/expiration-policies-for-executions | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I clearly understand that it's not an easy thing at all | 16:21 |
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| m4dcoder | ok. you'll see some WIP patches this week. i promise. | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, Winson :) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:22 |
| m4dcoder | np | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | gpaz: I started looking at your spec and left a couple of comments, need to finish though | 16:22 |
| melisha1 | gpaz is working on expiration policy for executions | 16:22 |
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| xylan_kong | gpaz, please see my comments in the etherpad | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: completely review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/expiration-policies-for-executions | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: a question to you | 16:23 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah | 16:23 |
| gpaz | rakhmerov, xylan_kong, I will, thanks | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | how are you now with Django? Still on the learning curve or technically skilled to do something? | 16:23 |
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| ^Gal^ | it is going well now, took me some time to get things going | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | because my understanding is that you're mostly an AngularJS guy so I was a little bit concerned about how easy it was for you to switch to Django | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, ^Gal^, that's great | 16:25 |
| ^Gal^ | still not sure I'm familiar with all the debug capabilities though | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | good to hear that | 16:25 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah, lots of new stuff | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | ping zhenguo, he seems to be very experienced in it | 16:25 |
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| ^Gal^ | yeah we talk daily | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | he can help | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | cool | 16:25 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah he is | 16:25 |
| ^Gal^ | he's great | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, next topic | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Dashboard progress | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | I don't have a detailed agenda but would like to find out how it is going | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | from what I saw (from installed Dashboard) it's now functional and ready to be worked on further | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | I mean it's completely repaired | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | thanks to zhenguo, great work | 16:28 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: really a good news! i think we could do a mistral demo in Tokyo, through Horizon. | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:28 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah he fixed the whole thing | 16:28 |
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| ^Gal^ | i had some progress with the execution list table | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | but I didn't actually test all the features myself (e.g. I didn't try to run a wf so far) so please first make sure it works ) | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: ok, good | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | so you're moving on according to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-executions-screen ? | 16:29 |
| ^Gal^ | yep | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | any roadblocks, challenges that the rest of the team could help with? | 16:29 |
| ^Gal^ | it is my workplan | 16:29 |
| ^Gal^ | hmmm none that I can think of atm | 16:30 |
| ^Gal^ | when I come up with something I usually ask Zhenguo | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok, do you have any estimations on when it can be completed? | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | maybe not on 100% but at a state when it's useable enough | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm not pushing you at all, just thinking on how to plan/coordinate our further work | 16:31 |
| ^Gal^ | I'll think until the next meeting I'll have the main table pretty solid-ish | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:31 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah yeah I know :) | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, that would be great | 16:32 |
| ^Gal^ | still hard for me to estimate stuff cause I'm not sure of the whole django thingy flow to the ebd | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:32 |
| ^Gal^ | end | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | yeah-yeah, but the thing is that we have to provide some estimates | 16:32 |
| ^Gal^ | sure np | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | even if we make mistakes | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | so once this is done, do you think it'll be pretty easy to take executions screen and apply most of its tech solutions to other screens? | 16:33 |
| ^Gal^ | yep | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | by asking this I'm trying to understand what we count for say in a month | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:34 |
| ^Gal^ | i need to get the notion of how filtering work in horizon | 16:34 |
| ^Gal^ | and it sort most of the stuff there | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, filtering is actually a problem | 16:34 |
| melisha1 | We also try to do them in parallel with Liat | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | let me write a couple of words about it | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | right now | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | so that you keep it in mind when working on it | 16:35 |
| ^Gal^ | sure that would be great thanks | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | right now in Mistral API v2 we don't have a capability to flexibly do server-side filtering | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | unfortunately | 16:35 |
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| ^Gal^ | so guess I'll write me some ajax | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | ideally we should be able to do something like: /tasks?from_date=123123&to_date=12312423&name=task1 | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | but our endpoints can't do this atm | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | I wanted to do this but the technology we're now using in for REST endpoints does not allow it easily | 16:37 |
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| ^Gal^ | k | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | so what I'm going to is that you'll probably have to do filtering on a client side somehow | 16:38 |
| ^Gal^ | syep | 16:38 |
| ^Gal^ | I'll come up with something | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | but I"m not even sure how it's supposed to be done | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:38 |
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| ^Gal^ | yeah usually its a json file you play with | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | the obvious downside is performance | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | server-side filtering would work much faster | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | but the good news is that it's not forever and we're planning to implement API v3 which will support such capabilities and fix some other problems too | 16:39 |
| melisha1 | The biggest issue I see here now is the execution list | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | my best hope is that it'll happen in the beginning of Sept | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | melisha1: yes, you're 100% right | 16:40 |
| melisha1 | After a few weeks the list will be huge and takes a long time to load | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:40 |
| melisha1 | Tasks had a filter by execution id so it is okay | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | what I'm thinking is that we'll probably have to come up with some server-side workaround for now | 16:41 |
| ^Gal^ | I guess I would write some patch | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | dunno exactly what it will be | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:41 |
| ^Gal^ | ill post some json and do it on the clientside | 16:41 |
| melisha1 | It must probably need to be server side | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | so, just letting you know in advance cause I see it as one of the biggest issues | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | from UI perspective | 16:41 |
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| ^Gal^ | yeah I guess so | 16:42 |
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| ^Gal^ | I'll be smarter when I'll get to that | 16:42 |
| ^Gal^ | sooner than later | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: yes, that's fine but as melisha1 said imagine hundreds of thousands executions (maybe millions?) that you'd have to fetch over the net every time and process at the client side | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:42 |
| ^Gal^ | will update asap | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | doesn't sound funny | 16:42 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah I know | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: ok | 16:43 |
| ^Gal^ | hmmm | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | so once you will get to that point we'll need to discuss it again and think how to fix it in the server | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | otherwise it won't be usable in production | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:44 |
| ^Gal^ | k sure | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | alright, let's move forward | 16:44 |
| melisha1 | True. We will also try to think of ideas to present | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | yes, please do | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Liberty 2 progress | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | so on this topic I don't have much to say except "please update the statuses of all bugs and BPs you happen to be working on" | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | so Liberty-2 milestone is scheduled for July 29 (~2 weeks left) | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | so I think most of the BPs will be implemented on time | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | please also go over a list of bugs and see if you could take some of them | 16:47 |
| melisha1 | Okay | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | btw, just to let you know: I'll be on vacation from July 20 till Aug 2 | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM will be replacing me | 16:48 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | so ping him any time, even at night | 16:49 |
| m4dcoder | have fun | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder: yeah, thanks | 16:49 |
| melisha1 | :-) | 16:49 |
| ^Gal^ | lol | 16:49 |
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| xylan_kong | maybe i'll stay at home when you are on vacation | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | so I'll do my best to complete things assigned to me this week and I'll get back for just one day to release Liberty-2 on July 29 | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: please be in touch with the team on a daily basis and keep LP up to date | 16:50 |
| NikolayM | yes, sure | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: what do you mean at home? :) why? | 16:51 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: paternity leave | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:52 |
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| m4dcoder | congrat! | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | !! | 16:52 |
| openstack | rakhmerov: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 16:52 |
| xylan_kong | m4dcoder: thanks | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | cool | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open discussion | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | we have ~7 mins so please go ahead if you have other questions | 16:53 |
| ^Gal^ | congrats!! | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | if not we can shut down the meeting | 16:53 |
| xylan_kong | ^Gal^ :) | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: I have a question actually | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | do you have a boy or girl? | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:54 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: i don't know | 16:54 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | ooh really! | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | is it a chineese tradition not to find out a gender in advance? | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:55 |
| melisha1 | Cool. A surprise | 16:55 |
| xylan_kong | no, just depends on you | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | ok :) I see | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | so no more questions? | 16:55 |
| xylan_kong | melisha1: yes | 16:55 |
| xylan_kong | no from me | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok guys, have a good week! Come to our channel #openstack-mistral whenever you want to discuss something | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | thanks a lot for coming | 16:56 |
| xylan_kong | ok, nice meeting, see you | 16:56 |
| ^Gal^ | bye all | 16:56 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 13 16:57:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| melisha1 | Bye | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-07-13-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-07-13-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-07-13-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| matjazp | hi | 17:02 |
| rluethi | hi, matjazp | 17:02 |
| rluethi | hi sarob | 17:02 |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 17:02 |
| rluethi | hey sayalilunkad | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hey sayalilunkad rluethi | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | should we start? | 17:03 |
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| * rluethi nods | 17:03 | |
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| rluethi | alright, who's going to chair? | 17:04 |
| matjazp | any takers for chairing? | 17:04 |
| rluethi | sayalilunkad? | 17:04 |
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| sayalilunkad | I am not too up to date on what's going on so it would be better for one of you to take the chair today | 17:05 |
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| rluethi | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 13 17:05:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rluethi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:05 |
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| sayalilunkad | thanks rluethi :) | 17:05 |
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| rluethi | It's not as if I knew more than you do, but there you go :-). | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | standard agenda | 17:06 |
| rluethi | right | 17:06 |
| rluethi | #topic reviews | 17:06 |
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| rluethi | anyone care to comment on the pending patches? | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | nothing much in the queue... Pranav has some small changes for hic patch, ' have another on waiting in queue that depends on it | 17:07 |
| rluethi | there's one patch for the labs scripts which isn't ready for merging | 17:08 |
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| sayalilunkad | are the patches for xml to rst conversion ready for review? | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | I don't believe so... at least they are not in the gerrit | 17:08 |
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| rluethi | is there a problem? | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | not that I know of | 17:10 |
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| rluethi | I think the scripts are ready to cut a new release. What's keeping the slides? | 17:10 |
| matjazp | just not enough time for it | 17:11 |
| rluethi | fair enough :). | 17:11 |
| matjazp | we need to expand our community | 17:11 |
| rluethi | is there anyone who could help out? | 17:11 |
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| sayalilunkad | We should get more attention at the next summit | 17:12 |
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| sayalilunkad | summit would be a good place for publicity | 17:12 |
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| rluethi | problem is, it's hard to get help if you haven't got anything to show. | 17:12 |
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| sayalilunkad | rluethi: that's right | 17:12 |
| matjazp | rluethi: yes, it's easier to add to something existing than to start form scratch | 17:13 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: It's not only that. Everybody loves to jump a running bandwagon. | 17:14 |
| matjazp | true | 17:15 |
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| matjazp | so, what can we do to resolve this deadlock? | 17:15 |
| matjazp | unfortunately, it's not the greatest time to do it (vacation time) | 17:15 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: It's not exactly a trivial problem. Maybe have a hackathon kind of event!? Unlikely to take place before the next summit, though. | 17:17 |
| sayalilunkad | rluethi: I don't know if you checked but I send out an email about a hands on session during the upstream training using osbash | 17:17 |
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| rluethi | sayalilunkad: I seem to remember that. | 17:18 |
| sayalilunkad | that would do some good I think if it happens | 17:18 |
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| rluethi | sayalilunkad: but the labs script are not our biggest problem. in fact, they are looking pretty good. | 17:19 |
| matjazp | I do like the idea of using labs as a test script for install guides | 17:19 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: me, too. It's the slide content that I am concerned about. | 17:19 |
| sayalilunkad | true. | 17:20 |
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| rluethi | Maybe just get a room for half a day or a day and rework the slides with everyone who can make it to the summt. | 17:22 |
| rluethi | s/summt/summit/ | 17:22 |
| matjazp | you guys are going for sure? | 17:22 |
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| sayalilunkad | not sure | 17:23 |
| rluethi | matjazp: For me it's a maybe. | 17:23 |
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| rluethi | but the slides work could be improvised, even a hotel room could work. | 17:24 |
| matjazp | sayalilunkad: what about that talk at the summit? any news on that? | 17:24 |
| rluethi | so no need for big plans and commitments. | 17:24 |
| sayalilunkad | matjazp: not that I know of | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | did sean submit a proposal for a talk? | 17:25 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: who would know that, other than sean? where can we check? | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | hmm.. voting starts after the deadline | 17:27 |
| sayalilunkad | which talk are we talking about? | 17:27 |
| matjazp | we didn't discuss on ML about switching to another time slot... pranav and sean can't make it to this slot anymore. | 17:28 |
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| matjazp | sayalilunkad: didn't sean proposed a talk about the training guides? | 17:29 |
| sayalilunkad | matjazp: I don't think so. I might be missing something there though. | 17:30 |
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| rluethi | so, are we done with this topic? | 17:35 |
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| matjazp | I guess so... | 17:35 |
| rluethi | #topic any other business | 17:36 |
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| rluethi | any takers? | 17:36 |
| matjazp | or, if you guys have some time to look at the review patches from sean and clean them up a bit... I can take a chapter | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | I'm talking about XML to RST conversion | 17:37 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: and then we would review? | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | I can clean up 1st chapter, like I did for networking chapter(nr. 7 I think) | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: yes, just shorten them up, take long bullets text and push it to the speaker notes | 17:38 |
| rluethi | matjazp: ping me if you need a review. | 17:38 |
| matjazp | rluethi: can you perhaps do a chapter yourself? | 17:39 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: If I had enough time to get comfortable with the slides and work on them, I'd rather clean up the KVM backend in osbash. | 17:39 |
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| matjazp | ok | 17:41 |
| matjazp | sayali? | 17:41 |
| matjazp | btw, did you reply to pranav's last mail? | 17:41 |
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| sayalilunkad | Me too. I have been wanting to finish the python port for a while now but don't have enough time for it. | 17:41 |
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| sayalilunkad | matjazp: I haven't yet. | 17:42 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: I hope we can do the rest at the summit, if needed. you'd be our instructor. | 17:43 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: yes, not a problem. But the problem is that I still don't know if I'll be there. It's mid semester | 17:44 |
| rluethi | same for all of us, I guess. let's hope for the best. | 17:44 |
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| rluethi | anyhow, I think we're done. | 17:45 |
| rluethi | are we? | 17:45 |
| rluethi | call it a day? | 17:45 |
| sayalilunkad | yup | 17:45 |
| matjazp | sayalilunkad: did you apply for travel program last summit? | 17:45 |
| sayalilunkad | matjazp: I did | 17:45 |
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| matjazp | you intend to do it again for tokio? | 17:45 |
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| matjazp | or is it one tim eonly stuff? | 17:46 |
| sayalilunkad | matjazp: I might. Bot certain yet. Though this time the acceptance is going to be very low I hear. | 17:46 |
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| matjazp | why? | 17:46 |
| sayalilunkad | matjazp: no, you are allowed to apply multiple times. | 17:46 |
| sayalilunkad | matjazp: Apparently tokyo is very expensive. | 17:46 |
| matjazp | in the same range as paris, is it not? | 17:47 |
| sayalilunkad | they say it is more than paris somehow | 17:47 |
| matjazp | then it's even harder for us to be there all at the same time... | 17:49 |
| rluethi | matjazp: yeah, but waiting for barcelona is not a good option, either. | 17:49 |
| matjazp | I would gladly change the time slot for this IRC meeting if it means more attendence from at least all core memebers | 17:50 |
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| rluethi | propose a doodle on the ML? | 17:51 |
| sayalilunkad | that should work. | 17:52 |
| matjazp | sure... do we mark acceptable timesplots or unacceptable time slots? | 17:52 |
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| sayalilunkad | acceptable I think | 17:52 |
| rluethi | matjazp: huh. hadn't thought about that. | 17:52 |
| rluethi | maybe just ask those who can't attend right now what they would need. | 17:53 |
| matjazp | sadly, if it's not in the evening, I don't know if I can make it up front... I get my semester schedule a few weeks before it starts | 17:53 |
| matjazp | and it's always different | 17:54 |
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| matjazp | around 11pm CET would be ideal for me.. but not for sayali ;) | 17:55 |
| sayalilunkad | I am most likely moving to CET from next month so it won't be a problem. | 17:56 |
| matjazp | oh really? study? work? | 17:56 |
| sayalilunkad | work it is :) | 17:57 |
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| matjazp | nice | 17:57 |
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| matjazp | ok so it's a deal then: 11pm on mondays ;) | 17:58 |
| matjazp | just joking | 17:58 |
| sayalilunkad | :D | 17:58 |
| matjazp | ok, lets wrap it up and try to sync over ML for new time slot | 17:59 |
| matjazp | roger? | 17:59 |
| rluethi | k. | 17:59 |
| sayalilunkad | sure | 17:59 |
| rluethi | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 13 17:59:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-07-13-17.05.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-07-13-17.05.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-07-13-17.05.log.html | 17:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting akanda | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 13 18:02:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:02 |
| sarob | morning | 18:02 |
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| sarob | roll call | 18:02 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:02 |
| puranamr | morning o/ | 18:02 |
| sarob | agenda is pretty simple | 18:02 |
| sarob | outstanding patches, semver agreement, and driver update | 18:03 |
| sarob | first semver | 18:03 |
| sarob | #topic semver change | 18:03 |
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| sarob | i have few outstanding patches to mod the package version to 7.0.0 | 18:03 |
| sarob | 2015.x versioning is done | 18:04 |
| sarob | neutron has moved to 7.0.0 | 18:04 |
| sarob | nova has moved 12.0.0.0 | 18:04 |
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| sarob | the question is | 18:04 |
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| sarob | does akanda move in step with neutron and its subprojects to 7.0.0 | 18:05 |
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| sarob | or 2.0.0 since this is the second public release we are working on | 18:05 |
| sarob | i like following neutron | 18:05 |
| davidlenwell | I personally don't feel like we should concern ourselves too much with what number scheme we use as long as we stay consistant. | 18:05 |
| sarob | what you all say? | 18:05 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: consistent is important | 18:06 |
| sarob | puranamr: your thoughts? | 18:06 |
| davidlenwell | So with that in mind I am going to suggest that we stick to what we've already started with. | 18:06 |
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| puranamr | sarob: we may need to clarify as to why it was moved from 1.0 to 7.0, for late joiners | 18:07 |
| puranamr | could confuse too | 18:07 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: you mean with 2015.x? | 18:07 |
| sarob | puranamr: we are currently at 2015.x version | 18:07 |
| davidlenwell | 2015.2.0.x.x.x.x | 18:07 |
| davidlenwell | or whatever it is | 18:07 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: so you would rather not join the semver movement | 18:08 |
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| davidlenwell | I think its confusing to jump from version 2015.1.x to 7.x | 18:08 |
| davidlenwell | we don't have 7 releases | 18:08 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: true | 18:08 |
| puranamr | yes that is what my thinking also is | 18:08 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: are we not closely tied with neutron | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | sorry... appt ran long.. reading scrollback | 18:09 |
| sarob | markmcclain: np | 18:09 |
| davidlenwell | of course we are .. but that doesn't mean our version numbers have to coralate | 18:09 |
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| sarob | markmcclain: we are discussion the proposed semver changes | 18:09 |
| sarob | discussing that is | 18:10 |
| markmcclain | ah right | 18:10 |
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| markmcclain | davidlenwell: I take it you want us to have our own velocity in terms of version numbering? | 18:10 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 18:10 |
| davidlenwell | thats how software versioning works | 18:11 |
| davidlenwell | we can map out compatibility | 18:11 |
| davidlenwell | it will never be a one to one mapping | 18:11 |
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| markmcclain | yeah... I think the biggest challenge currently is expressing how we map to main servers since they're not releasing yet | 18:12 |
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| davidlenwell | but I don't think hopping around in our versioning naming convention is a wise choice.. it will lead to us having to do a lot more explination than is needed | 18:13 |
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| davidlenwell | that is my humble opinion.. and I think we have bigger fish to fry at the moment than a numbering convention | 18:13 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: so sticking with current version is your perf | 18:13 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 18:14 |
| puranamr | 1+ | 18:14 |
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| markmcclain | well the rest of OpenStack is jumping to X.0.0 5 < X < 11 | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | as is we have to explain that this is our 1.0 release | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | I'd be ok making our code match that version | 18:15 |
| sarob | markmcclain: so that would be 2.0.0 ? | 18:16 |
| sarob | markmcclain: for this current cycle | 18:17 |
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| markmcclain | or even 1.1 | 18:17 |
| sarob | markmcclain: right | 18:17 |
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| davidlenwell | 1.1 is more accurate | 18:17 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: im fine with that | 18:18 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: so are we leaning towards updating versioning based on our own schedule sooner | 18:19 |
| davidlenwell | I think so? | 18:19 |
| sarob | we had discussed earlier about sticking with the community schedule for liberty | 18:19 |
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| sarob | if we start doing minor and major releases over the summer, then we are breaking with that | 18:20 |
| davidlenwell | schedule and version number are two different topics | 18:20 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 18:21 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: so when the driver code is released | 18:21 |
| sarob | and ml2 arrives | 18:21 |
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| davidlenwell | those are pretty major changes.. large delta .. so it might bump it to 2 | 18:22 |
| sarob | we go 1.2 at ml2 or when the driver code is landed | 18:22 |
| sarob | my point | 18:22 |
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| davidlenwell | We early on discussed a release train model | 18:23 |
| sarob | more importantly how the distros work with our versioning | 18:23 |
| davidlenwell | so that version numbers are tied to specific dates .. and what makes it in makes it in | 18:23 |
| davidlenwell | and the train leaves on time | 18:24 |
| davidlenwell | no matter what | 18:24 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: i still like that model | 18:24 |
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| davidlenwell | it has positive and negitive impacts on dev cycles | 18:24 |
| sarob | right now im stuck with the semver or not to semver | 18:24 |
| markmcclain | tooling for semver is better | 18:25 |
| davidlenwell | well I think we've spent a lot of time talking about it .. and I honestly don't think its all that important | 18:25 |
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| sarob | i have these patches out | 18:26 |
| sarob | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197787/ | 18:26 |
| sarob | on moving to 7.0.0 | 18:26 |
| davidlenwell | lets use the review to discuss it .. | 18:27 |
| sarob | good plan | 18:27 |
| davidlenwell | I'll review and leave my thoughts | 18:27 |
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| sarob | cool | 18:27 |
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| sarob | #topic driver code | 18:28 |
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| sarob | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195814/ | 18:28 |
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| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195814/ | 18:28 |
| davidlenwell | driver code has been on hold while we do the last mile on the dreamhost migration | 18:28 |
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| sarob | understood | 18:29 |
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| sarob | any thoughts on it for the log? | 18:29 |
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| davidlenwell | I'd like to get back to it | 18:29 |
| davidlenwell | let the record state ;) | 18:29 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: :) | 18:29 |
| markmcclain | haha | 18:30 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: i assume you need some review of the current patch | 18:31 |
| davidlenwell | no.. | 18:31 |
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| davidlenwell | that patch is a serious work in progress.. it would be a waste of time to review it | 18:31 |
| davidlenwell | I pushed it up because I needed to switch context and needed to be able to cleaning get my local dir back to that state later | 18:31 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: right | 18:32 |
| sarob | adam_g: is out for a least a week or two more | 18:32 |
| davidlenwell | as he should be | 18:32 |
| sarob | #info adam_g has a new baby girl and is out on leave for a few weeks | 18:33 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: yup | 18:33 |
| sarob | #topic current patches | 18:33 |
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| sarob | other than adam_g and the driver code | 18:33 |
| sarob | there is ryanpetrello patch | 18:34 |
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| sarob | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201220/ | 18:34 |
| markmcclain | right... he was fixing some bad mocks | 18:34 |
| ryanpetrello | I'm not sure if ^ tests pass yet | 18:34 |
| ryanpetrello | they don't pass on osx and I was too lazy to spin up Linux | 18:34 |
| ryanpetrello | but the failing ones on osx looked OS-related | 18:34 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. there's one test that fails unless run on Linux | 18:35 |
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| davidlenwell | lgtm.. I'll check it out and run the tests today | 18:37 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: thx | 18:37 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 18:37 |
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| sarob | #action team review on semver to 7.0.0, 2.0, or 1.2 on patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197787/ | 18:38 |
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| sarob | if no other business | 18:38 |
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| sarob | i call this | 18:39 |
| markmcclain | nothing from me | 18:39 |
| sarob | davidlenwell, ryanpetrello, puranamr? | 18:39 |
| puranamr | nothing from my side too | 18:39 |
| davidlenwell | negatory | 18:39 |
| ryanpetrello | nothing on my end | 18:39 |
| sarob | roger roger | 18:39 |
| sarob | cheers everyone | 18:39 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 13 18:40:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-13-18.02.html | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-13-18.02.txt | 18:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-07-13-18.02.log.html | 18:40 |
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| Shamail | Hi everyone, if you are here for the Product WG meeting then please Private Message me. The meeting this week will be held on a conference bridge. | 19:01 |
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| Shamail | Hi Cloudrancher | 19:06 |
| Shamail | We are using a conference bridge today... Do you have the info? | 19:06 |
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| cloudrancher | Yes - I'm on | 19:06 |
| Shamail | Awesome. | 19:07 |
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| Shamail | Hi everyone, for anyone who is joining for the Product WG meeting.... we are using a conference bridge for today's meeting | 19:08 |
| Shamail | Details can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 19:08 |
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