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anteaya#startmeeting third-party08:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun  9 08:02:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'third_party'08:02
anteayasay hello if you are here for the third party meeting08:02
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jyuso1anteaya: hi08:03
anteayajyuso1: hello08:03
anteayajyuso1: how are you?08:03
jyuso1anteaya: I was in hospital for some days.now i'm fine,thanks:)08:04
anteayaoh my08:04
anteayaI hope you are healing well08:04
jyuso1anteaya: of course,I'm back.nice to meet you:)08:05
anteayanice to see you too08:05
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anteayaglad you are doing well08:05
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anteayadid you see in -infra someone was asking about your account?08:05
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jyuso1anteaya: I've seen the issue you mention,I've retrigger the job08:06
anteayaokay08:06
anteayadid you get a chance to respond to their email?08:06
anteayathey said they sent you an email08:06
jyuso1anteaya: it's network issue.our network is not stable enough:)08:06
anteayaah08:06
anteayathat can be frustrating08:06
jyuso1anteaya: haven't seen that,I'll reply the mail if i saw.08:07
anteayaokay well take a look08:07
jyuso1anteaya: ok,np08:07
anteayahe said he emailed the shared address: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-PCI-CI08:08
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anteayaso I guess that would be the pci-ci email address08:08
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devvesahi08:10
anteayahi devvesa08:10
anteayahow are you?08:10
jyuso1anteaya: I've check all mails,there is no such mail.may be he'll send later:)08:10
devvesafrustated because I said to collaborate and I have not time to do so08:10
devvesaI still have to sync up with luqas...08:11
anteayajyuso1: he had said he sent it already08:11
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anteayaDaviey: jyuso1 can't find the email you sent08:11
anteayadevvesa: yes it is frustrating to not have time to participate as you would like08:12
anteayadevvesa: do you work with luqas?08:12
devvesaYes. But we both are busy in other stuff08:13
Davieyanteay / jyuso1 : I sent it to the shared mailox08:13
anteayadevvesa: ah08:13
devvesaAnd there are some priorities coming from managers08:13
anteayaDaviey: to the pci-ci email?08:13
devvesaso... sorry about this08:13
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anteayaDaviey: jyuso1 says he can't find it08:13
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Davieyanteaya: openstack_ci@intel.com IIRC08:13
anteayadevvesa: yes, I understand08:14
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anteayaDaviey: I didn't see that email on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-PCI-CI08:14
anteayaDaviey: where did you get that email from?08:14
anteayaDaviey: Intel has 5 gerrit ci accounts: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems08:15
anteayadevvesa: thanks for letting us know08:15
devvesaanteaya: thanks for understand :)08:16
anteayadevvesa: of course08:16
anteaya:)08:16
Davieyanteaya: Apologise, i am on a moile device.. The contact address was listed on the root of their CI results page08:16
anteayahopefully you can come back at some point08:16
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jyuso1Daviey: Oh,I find your mail.This "openstack_ci@intel.com" is not using anymore:)08:17
Davieyjyuso1: fancy taking the action of getting the template updated?  http://198.175.100.33/189377/2/08:17
anteayajyuso1: perhaps you can update the contact information on your CI results page?08:17
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jyuso1anteaya: OK,that's my problem,I'll fix it soon08:20
anteayajyuso1: thank you08:21
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anteayaDaviey: thanks for shedding some light on the missing email08:22
anteayado we have anything else to discuss today?08:23
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jyuso1Daviey: sorry,i'll go to retrigger the job now.The result will be updated soon.08:27
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anteayajyuso1 devvesa did we have anything else to discuss today?08:30
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Davieyjyuso1: That change has merged now :).. but probably good for historic review08:31
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Davieyjyuso1: That change has merged now :).. but probably good for historic review08:32
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jyusoDaviey: OK,good to hear that.If you met this kind of issue from our CI next time,you may ping me in IRC directly.Really hope i could help.08:40
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anteayado we have anything else to discuss today?08:50
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anteayaif no, we can wrap up08:50
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anteayathanks for your attendance and participation today everyone08:51
jyuso1anteaya: thanks,i don't have more question.08:51
anteayajyuso1: ah okay08:52
anteayajyuso1: thanks for being here08:52
anteaya:)08:52
anteayasee you next week08:52
jyuso1anteaya: see you:)08:52
anteaya#endmeeting08:52
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n0ano#startmeeting scheduler14:59
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun  9 14:59:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'scheduler'14:59
n0anoanyone here to talk about the scheduler?15:00
edleafeo/15:00
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* edleafe hears crickets15:00
n0anon0ano, doesn't even hear insects15:01
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n0anoedleafe, I guess you and I can make all the decisions now :-)15:02
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edleafen0ano: but since we always disagree, it'll just be tie votes :)15:02
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n0ano:-)15:02
n0anoedleafe, I did have one question for you, are you working on a spec for Liberty right now?15:02
edleafejust the NoValidHost one15:03
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n0anoI have a spec tracking page and your not on it, do you have a link for that and I'll add it15:03
n0anos/your/you're15:03
edleafehttps://review.openstack.org/18773915:03
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* n0ano hates misplaces '15:03
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edleafeI was going to ask for some eyes on it15:04
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n0anoI'll see if I can look into it today, miraculously this is my last meeting today (don't ask about the rest of the week)(15:04
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edleafen0ano: this is my second of 6 :(15:05
n0anoI have studiously kept Tues clear luckily, Mon/Wed/Thurs - not so much15:05
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edleafen0ano: did you get my email with the Doodle results?15:06
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n0anoindeed :-(  I `hate` trying to schedule things but we'll have to discuss this when more people are on15:06
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edleafeIf you hate scheduling things, why are you working on the scheduler? :)15:07
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n0anobased upon your doodle results my vote would be to keep the current time and jay can join when he's available15:07
n0anobad english, I hate scheduling `people`, computers are OK15:07
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edleafeThe 1700 UTC time looked great except for bauza15:08
edleafewe should find out how 'hard' an unavailability that is for him15:08
n0anopersonally, I'd prefer to have bauzas  here on a regular basis over jay but that's just one vote15:08
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edleafeI'd really like to have jaypipes involved in these meetings15:09
edleafewell, of course both would be best15:09
n0anome too but if we have to choose ...15:09
n0anoanyway, it's 10 after, looks like no one else is available today, let's close this and go off and do some work15:10
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edleafework???15:10
edleafewhat's that?15:10
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n0anoI consider my job play but I've heard that some people think it's a burden :-)15:11
n0anowe'll try again next week, tnx for coming15:11
n0ano#endmeeting15:11
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edleafen0ano: oh, one other thing - the PDF I sent with the results was in EDT15:11
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n0anoedleafe, you sure, it looks like CDT to me15:12
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edleafeyes15:12
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edleafen0ano: I had set it up from 8am - noon CDT15:13
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ayoungmorganfainberg, room is clear17:57
morganfainbergajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rharwood, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, stevemar, topol, wanghong17:58
morganfainberghttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting17:58
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rodrigodso/17:58
morganfainbergit's that magical time of the week17:58
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topolo/17:58
ericksonsantos\o17:58
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david8hu\o17:58
ayoungmorganfainberg, ooooh, I need to compose a Keystone Themesong17:58
david8huo/17:58
bknudsonayoung already has a wedding march17:58
htruta_o/17:58
raildoiiiiittt's timeee!!! #ufcFellings17:58
lbragstado/ startin' early17:58
ayoungbknudson, I also played Hava Nagila, but they didn't get that in Video17:58
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morganfainberglbragstad: the ping can go out a few minutes early17:59
samueldmqhi o/17:59
bknudsonnot much room for dancing on a plane17:59
bknudsonno matter what the commercials say17:59
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lbragstadraildo: ++17:59
bknudsonno choke holds here.18:00
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dstaneko/18:00
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hogepodgeo/18:00
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morganfainbergbknudson: awww...18:01
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henrynashzippee do dah zippee de day18:01
morganfainbergok uhm.. we're a bit light on cores today18:01
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morganfainbergi don't think we have enough to meet a quorum18:01
henrynash(no idea how you spell that)18:01
lhchengo/18:01
morganfainbergoooh lookie henrynash18:01
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morganfainbergand a lhcheng18:02
morganfainbergok i think that we have enough now.18:02
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dolphm\o/18:02
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morganfainberg#startmeeting Keystone18:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun  9 18:02:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
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gyee_\o18:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'keystone'18:03
morganfainberghey everyone!18:03
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henrynashthe cores come rolli’ in….18:03
morganfainbergso uhm. yeah lets get rolling18:03
morganfainberg#topic Spec Proposal Freeze18:03
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ayoungKeep them dogies rollin Rawhide!18:03
morganfainberg#info June 23 is SPF18:03
morganfainbergPlease post / review / etc specs18:04
henrynashmorganfainberg: and for this spec needs to approved, I assume?18:04
morganfainbergyes.18:04
ayoungmorganfainberg, yeah...way too soon18:04
amakarovwow, meeting!18:04
morganfainberganything post L1 will need a SPF-Exception18:04
morganfainbergmost should be easy18:04
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bknudsonseems like posted should be good enough.18:04
ayoungmorganfainberg, We just have people starting to pay attention again post summit18:04
david8hu23rd is only 2 weeks away18:04
morganfainbergbknudson: we can evaluate next meeting if we want to just say "posted by"18:04
dolphmbknudson: posted and completely fleshed out* if we're going that route18:05
morganfainbergbknudson: but please please please try and get the specs in at least the general form they should be merged in18:05
ayoungwe are going to get to the point where spec proposal freeze for P is before the N summit18:05
morganfainbergwe can worry about bikeshedding at that point18:05
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morganfainbergayoung: hate to break it to you, but SPF for M is tomorrow.18:05
ayoungso...yeah, posted18:05
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ayoungmorganfainberg, I figured I had already missed it18:05
morganfainbergayoung:  :P18:05
morganfainbergok anyway18:05
samueldmqlol ahh18:05
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morganfainbergPost the specs. review ones that are ready18:06
morganfainberglets land what we can18:06
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brownespeaking of specs, do i need one for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/role-descriptions.  Its on the agenda18:06
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morganfainberg#action Next meeting discuss where we are on specs and handling the specs that are posted but not approved / don't look like they will land by L118:07
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morganfainbergbrowne: i'll have an answer post meeting at the latest for you18:07
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brownemorganfainberg: ok thanks18:07
morganfainberg#topic Midcycle18:07
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ayoungOK...18:07
morganfainberg#info Reminder that Keystone Midcycle is July 15-17. Send note to ayoung if you are attending.18:07
ayoungSo I need to get a head count18:07
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ayoungtrackign on trello18:07
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bknudsonI thought we had a lot more than 718:08
morganfainbergayoung: I recommend using the wiki.18:08
dstanekare we tracking what hotels people are going to?18:08
gyee_henrynash, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187045/18:08
ayoungit *is* possible to get a parking pass, but only ask if you really really need it.18:08
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dolphmtopol: ^18:08
ayoungmorganfainberg, I can do that18:08
morganfainbergayoung: easier since everyone already has access for the wiki18:08
ayoungtopol, is staying close enough to walk.18:08
henrynashgyee: yep, I’ll respond to the comments18:08
morganfainbergand we have a table for that18:08
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ayoungmorganfainberg, OK  I'll do that18:09
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morganfainbergif we have someone who needs a parking pass, we can possibly have them pickup a group of people who otherwise would need a parking pass.18:09
morganfainbergi expect to be staying ~walking distance18:09
* morganfainberg hasn't booked hotel yet18:09
ayoungI'd recommend that18:09
dstanekayoung: is there a close train stop?18:09
bknudsonI think it would be faster for me to walk than drive18:09
ayoungif you need cheap housing, the dorms are avaialble, but need to know soon...they need at least 2 weeks lead time18:10
ayoungdstanek, Green Line MBTA is right in front18:10
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morganfainberg#action morganfainberg to try and source sponsorship for a day's food from HP at MidCycle18:10
ayoungdstanek, but depends on where you are staying how long it will take.18:10
dstaneki have to look for a hotel now18:10
ayounghotel list is on trello as well18:11
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bknudsonboston must be a popular place because I wasn't seeing a lot of hotels in our booking tool.18:11
morganfainbergayoung: make sure at least to put the trello link in the wiki for the midcycle18:11
dstanekbknudson: not in ours either18:11
ayoungmorganfainberg, will do....looking for old Midcycle wiki links now18:11
morganfainberghttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/KeystoneLibertySprint18:12
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morganfainbergok we can continue midcycle info/updates offline18:12
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morganfainberg#topic Re-enable DB2 CI posting?18:13
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morganfainbergbknudson: o/18:13
bknudsonwe have a team in china that has set up CI for DB18:13
bknudsonDB218:13
bknudsonand they've been working on stabilizing it lately18:13
ayoung#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/KeystoneLibertySprint18:13
bknudsonand they say it's stable now, so they asked if I could request turning it back on.18:13
morganfainbergbknudson: looks good to me18:13
bknudsonand have it report on all changes in keystone master18:13
bknudsonnon-voting of course...18:14
dolphmbknudson: the concern before was that it was completely unmaintained when it starting failing, not that it didn't have a team behind it when it started18:14
bknudsonI don't think you can make it voting.18:14
morganfainbergif you think it is stable / will remain so - and the logs adhere to the requirements for 3rd party CI i'm ok with it18:14
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morganfainbergbut if it goes off the rails and no one is watching it, we will need to cut it out again18:14
morganfainbergbknudson: i don't want it a voting job until it's shown it is stable for a bit [we can evaluate that later if we feel like it should be voting]18:15
morganfainbergit can't be a gate job18:15
morganfainbergbut it could be a voting check job18:15
bknudsonI can't make any promises that the china team will be more responsive than last time.18:15
dolphmbknudson: do we have an official contact person / mailing list for when it fails in the future?18:15
morganfainbergdolphm: ++18:15
bknudsony, the contact person is on the CI wiki page ...18:15
dolphmlast time it was like communicating with /dev/null18:16
morganfainbergwe can try it with the contact18:16
lbragstadyanfengxi@cn.ibm.com18:16
morganfainberglike i said, if it goes off the rails again - we'll have to have it no longer post and I wont be as open to re-enable reporting again18:16
lbragstadbknudson: ^ I assume that's still the correct contact?18:17
bknudsonhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IBM/IBM_DB2_CI18:17
morganfainbergbut i'm ok with allowing it if you think it is currently stable. you know it better than I do.18:17
lbragstadbknudson: do you know if they are in IRC?18:17
bknudsonI actually can't vouch for how stable it is.18:17
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lbragstadbknudson: how have they been verifying it?18:18
dstanekbknudson: you're not selling this well18:18
bknudsonIf you got any issues of this DB2-TEST CI, please contact "yanfengxi@cn.ibm.com"18:18
bknudson^ from the wiki18:18
dolphmbknudson: it'd be nice if it posted that in gerrit comments when it failed18:18
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dolphmjust sayin'18:18
bknudsondstanek: this is why I'm not in sales.18:18
lbragstad++18:18
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bknudsonI think the message it posts has a link to the wiki ?18:19
lbragstadyanfengxi@cn.ibm.com should probably be the one pushing to have it turned back on :)18:19
bknudsonalthough I haven't seen a failure so I don't know.18:19
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bknudson yanfengxi@cn.ibm.com is pushing to have it turned back on... but the meeting time is not convenient for someone in beijing.18:19
dolphmthat's understandable18:20
dolphmalthough an IRC nick would be nice to have on hand18:20
lbragstadI'd be will to hop on at night and visit with them about it, if they want to meet in -keystone18:20
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bknudsonI can definitely return with feedback and tell them to provide more info18:21
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bknudsonor we can try to set up a time when they can present their own story about the stability of the system.18:22
morganfainbergbknudson: sure.18:22
dolphmmaybe setup a daytime meeting for beijing in #openstack-keystone where we can follow up with questions sometime before the next keystone meeting?18:22
bknudsonI will do that.18:22
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dolphm1 AM UTC is 9am in beijing, and 8pm for me in texas18:23
lbragstad10 am Beijing time is around 9 pm central18:23
lbragstaddolphm: beat me to it18:23
bknudsonso try for some time at 8pm Central time?18:24
dolphmbknudson: ++18:24
bknudsonsome day18:24
lbragstadworks for me18:24
morganfainbergif it's central thats easy for me to make it to18:24
morganfainberg6pm is normally [when i'm not on GMT+2]18:24
dolphmmorganfainberg: when do you get back to PST?18:24
morganfainbergjune 1718:24
dolphmoh18:25
dolphmyou're probably closer to beijing time now lol18:25
morganfainbergdolphm: it's 20:35 right now18:25
ayoungOK...next item?18:25
dolphmbknudson: setup a meeting! we'll be there18:25
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morganfainberg#topic Reseller Scope18:25
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morganfainbergraildo, htruta, rodrigods o/18:26
raildo\o18:26
htruta_o/18:26
raildoI think many of you saw the thread in the mailing list about this subject. We have some ideas, from henrynash, ayoung and others keystone cores, to define how do handle with project name with the reseller implementation18:26
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ayoungjamielennox is not here...he wanted to punt on it18:26
raildo(and how to get a project scoped token for this project)18:26
dolphmayoung: punt to what?18:27
morganfainbergayoung: i am a fan of what jamie said. keep the artifical project is unique in a domain requirement for now18:27
morganfainbergso we can establish HMT workflows18:27
ayoungdolphm, bascially say that you can only scope a token by project name if it was directly under the domain18:27
morganfainbergand then loosen that up18:27
raildoI think that the first questions that we need to answer is: should project name only be unique within parent project?18:27
ayoungif you are doing anything deeper, scope by project ID18:27
morganfainbergraildo: for now, yes.18:27
dolphmayoung: oh that's interesting18:27
morganfainbergraildo: it's easier to loosen that than close it back up18:27
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htruta_ayoung had a proposal that: if a conflict happens, always give the token to the project18:28
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ayoungraildo, and we came up wiht the hack that to get the domain-as-project scoped token you pass in a project name of   ""18:28
htruta_since we are not making it restricted only in the parents, it seems like a good approach18:28
henrynashayoung: no  you can scope to any project in a hierarcy18:28
ayounghenrynash, not what I am saying18:28
dolphmhtruta_: like, scope to the smallest match?18:28
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henrynashayuong: just have to allow is_domain = True/False in auth scope18:28
morganfainbergdolphm: i worry about fancy matching breaking our current auth mechs18:29
rodrigodshenrynash, if we add is_domain to the request18:29
ayounghenrynash, if you need a token scoped to the domain as-a-project, you can pass in domain_name="Blah"  projc_name = ""18:29
rodrigodsif want to loose the constraint later18:29
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rodrigodsit won't work anymore18:29
htruta_dolphm: having a is_domain project A and a non is_domain called A, requesting project scoped token to A, would return the project18:29
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htruta_ayoung ++18:30
morganfainberghenrynash: i'd rather disallow a domain from getting a project scope"18:30
morganfainberghenrynash: i really do not like the "is_domain" prospect18:30
dstanekhtruta_: i like that - i find it confusing that Project<is_domain=True> can act as a project and a domain18:30
dolphmstrange solution: since we require explicit role assignments on the project, we can drastically reduce the available matching scopes by filtering against the available role assignments? there are weird consequences of that, but it'd make for a nice user experience18:30
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henrynashmorganfainberg: when domains are represented by projects, surely we need to allow them to get a project tokne to the project that is acting as a domain (if they want)18:30
morganfainbergwe still can collapse projects and domains into a single table to get the HMT heirarchy to be easier18:31
morganfainbergrather than nasssty joins etc18:31
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htruta_morganfainberg: but wasn't the point of making the domain acting as a project to make it better to other services?18:31
ayounghenrynash, that is exactly what I was proposing18:31
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raildohenrynash, ++18:31
ayoungif both the domain and a project under it share a name, the project wins18:31
morganfainberghtruta_: more so to make the hierarchy esier to manae18:31
morganfainbergmanage*18:32
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ayoungthe domain name is only its name as a domain....it has no name as a project.  Kind of like unit "/"  for root directory18:32
rodrigodsayoung, ++18:32
ayoungunit-> unix18:32
htruta_dstanek: actually, it does not remove the domain as a project capabaility... it only avoids it in case of conflict18:32
henrynashayoung: my divergence to that is that the I propose is_domain defaults to “False” in requests (auth scope of list projects)…unless it is explictly specified18:32
ayoung"the domain as a project must not be named"18:33
rodrigodshenrynash, but is_domain=True won't work if we change the constraint to consider just the parent_id18:33
dstanekayoung: but how can that be true if you need to use it?18:33
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ayoungdstanek, you have to declare the domain name18:33
henrynashrodigods: not sure i undestand that, sorry!18:33
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dstanekayoung: i thought those is_domain projects can be used just like any other project18:34
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htruta_rodrigods means that if, in the future we want to make projects unique only below parents18:34
ayoungdstanek, yep....they just won;'t have a"project" name...18:34
htruta_we would need to drop the "is_domain" attribute from token18:34
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htruta_henrynash ^18:34
ayoungdstanek, Or, we could say that their name is /18:34
dstanekayoung: so the end user will see the name and not be able to use it?18:34
rodrigodshtruta_, ++18:34
raildoin resume, have some options:1- add a  is_domain=True/False flag in the token request and a project name will be unique in a domain 2- use a delimiter and inform the hierarchy name, like A.B.C, 3- handle with the name as a list like: ['A', 'B', 'C']18:34
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ayoungdstanek, think of it from the horizon perspective.  you do a list projects for user, and use the result ot make a dropdwon.  The dropdwon has the domain name:: project name18:35
morganfainbergraildo: i think we need to use the heirarchy representation (or delimiter)18:35
henrynashI believe in the future, the domain API will be deprecated…and everything we know about domains will be attributes of a project….hence introcuing the use of being able to do all domain actions via teh project API (by specifying the appropiate attributes) seems like thwe way to go18:35
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ayoungfor the parent proejct it would just show the domain name, no project name18:35
rodrigodsmorganfainberg, if we use the hierarchy representation why keep project names unique in a domain?18:36
ayoungso  If I Had a redhat domain with a redhat p[roejct I would see18:36
ayoungredhat::18:36
ayoungredhat::redhat18:36
morganfainbergok so.. what if...18:36
morganfainbergwhat if...18:36
morganfainbergif you want to scope to the domain you use it's parent.18:36
raildorodrigods, morganfainberg yes, that is the question...18:36
morganfainbergor no parent [if it's the root]18:36
ayoungmorganfainberg, does not really work18:36
morganfainbergotherwise the project wins. since you've said "in this namespace"18:36
dstanekmorganfainberg: that's sort of what i was saying the other day18:36
morganfainbergdstanek: yeah i think i'm coming around to it18:37
ayoungmorganfainberg, when requesting a token, we explicitly request a domain stanza for the project18:37
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morganfainberga domain is in a domain18:37
ayoungso all I am adding is that the root project has no explicit name18:37
morganfainbergalways [root being magical maybe]18:37
dstanekiiuc the ambiguity is that the is_main and the project it contains point to the same id (maybe domain di) when doing the lookup18:37
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ayoungdstanek, scope by ID works already...it doesn't need the domain ID18:37
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ayoungwhat we need is a way for Horizon to show this to the end users18:38
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morganfainbergif you're scoping to a name of a domain you have to specify it's namespace18:38
htruta_root is always an is_domain, btw18:38
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ayoungand just dropping the name is the least surprise18:38
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morganfainbergif you specify the domain and the name - it *must* be a project under that domain18:38
htruta_morganfainberg: aren't domain names unique across the cloud?18:38
morganfainbergalways Namespace(project) where project is subordinate18:39
ayoungmorganfainberg, what you are saying makes sense to us. It will not make sense to end users18:39
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morganfainbergayoung: we are bound by our current contract(s) though18:39
morganfainbergand the way auth works18:39
ayoungit means that default::redhat   will show up in my dropdown now18:39
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ayoungmorganfainberg, this fits our current contract18:39
morganfainbergayoung: we can special case "root"18:39
morganfainbergbut yes, you will need to have the namespace18:39
ayoungmorganfainberg, that is, essentially, what I am saying, but saying that all domains are "root"18:39
rodrigodsayoung, ++18:40
ayoungmorganfainberg, the domain name remains as the namespace18:40
morganfainbergif domains are globally unique sure18:40
morganfainbergthats easy18:40
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morganfainbergwe can start with keeping globally unique names18:40
morganfainbergand work to address that down the line18:40
morganfainbergwhen we have things like the ability to version (microversion?) our api via flask18:40
morganfainbergwe don't want to try and do microversion(ing) now.18:41
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ayoungit would look like this http://paste.openstack.org/show/278495/18:41
ayoungand that works now, since we don't allow the project name to be blank when creating a project18:42
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henrynash(needs to see the auth API spec of what we are really proposing )18:42
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raildoayoung, I like this idea18:43
htruta_ayoung: ++, once we have: 1) domains name unique across cloud and 2) projects name unique in a domain18:43
dstanekayoung: so as user outside of horizon i have to know that the project is special when using it? i can't just specify the name like to do now?18:43
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rodrigodsdstanek, only if we have a conflict18:43
rodrigodsdstanek, a domain that contains a project with the same name18:44
dstanekrodrigods: so the user has to know there is a conflict before submitting that request?18:44
rodrigodsdstanek, that's the confusing part of it :(18:44
dolphmthat's terribad18:44
htruta_dstanek: if you are trying to use the is_domain project, yes18:44
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gyee_++terribad18:45
morganfainbergwe have 15min18:45
rodrigodslet's use hierarchies and do not constraint project names in a domain18:45
raildodstanek, no, if we find a conflict we can raise a exception and ask to the user request in this way18:45
rodrigods:)18:45
morganfainberg5 more min on this btw max18:45
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ayoungrodrigods, I think, No, not only for conflict18:45
dstanekraildo: so no more automatically picking the project?18:45
ayoungI think we say this is hiow you get domain scoped tokens across the board18:45
ayounger18:45
ayoungproejct scoped tokens for domains18:45
htruta_dstanek: i guess we are still picking the project18:45
gyee_why not call it a domain?!18:46
htruta_if you do specify the project name A in the domain id A, you'll get the project18:46
rodrigodswe need to figure this out because the L1 deadline18:46
henrynashI’m sticking with proposing is_domain=True in the request if you want the project that is acting as the domain, otherwise it is ALWAYS a proejct that is not acting as a domain18:46
bknudsonwe could call them tenants18:46
dstanekhtruta_: so the user just wouldn't know that they are getting the wrong thing?18:46
rodrigodsbknudson, lol18:46
gyee_bknudson, hey now18:47
rodrigodsi liked dstanek's idea of having "/A/B/C"18:47
htruta_dstanek: you mean, in a existing deploy that will be migrated?18:47
dstanekwill the user always know that they are asking for a project vs. a project<is_domain=True>?18:48
htruta_if so, the answer is no, once if we get the token in the same way we do today, we'll get the regular project18:48
dolphmwe could also just not support names deeper than the top two levels in the hierarchy.18:48
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henrynashdolphm: ha!18:48
dstaneki was hoping that is_domain projects would only act as domains name not projects - this issue would be way easier18:49
gyee_dolphm, ftw!18:49
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morganfainbergdolphm: not a bad idea18:49
htruta_dstanek: if we do have a conflict, and the user passes the project name, he'll be able to get the token to the project the same way he does today18:50
gyee_ayoung, I was going to suggest LDAP DN style18:50
ayounggyee_, this is your fault for not listening to me, and my fault for not making you, back when you were pushing domains.  I said "why don't we just make projects hierarchical?"18:50
gyee_but I thought better of it18:50
htruta_that means, the token goes to the usual project18:50
ayounggyee_, no you were not18:50
gyee_ayoung, because there's a clear difference between projects and domains18:50
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dstanekhtruta_: i think is there is an ambiguity we have to tell the user and can't just give then something18:50
morganfainbergok18:51
ayoungboth  "/A/B/C"  and ["A","B","C"] should work18:51
morganfainberglets continue this in -keystone18:51
morganfainbergwe have another couple topics to hit18:51
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henrynashdstanek: I guess that is what I am suggesting….project request via out APIs assume is-domain=False unless you explicitly specify otherwise…e.g. Get /projects woud not shown and is_domain projects, unless you did GET /projects?is_domain=True18:51
morganfainbergplease simmer on what has been tossed out as a suggestion18:51
henrynash(e.g. Get /projects woud not show any is_domain projects, unless you did GET /projects?is_domain=True)18:52
morganfainbergi think the discussion has been good and presenting some interesting ideas.18:52
raildomorganfainberg, sure18:52
morganfainberg#topic  Handling auth plugins that uses other auth plugins18:52
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morganfainbergrodrigods, marekd o/18:53
morganfainbergsince marek isn't here we can defer18:53
morganfainbergif needed18:53
bknudsonI assume this means auth plugins for keystoneauth and not auth plugins for keystone18:53
rodrigodsI synced with him prior the meeting18:53
rodrigodsbknudson, yes18:53
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ayoungI wonder if what he means is that we really want to remove X509 and JKerberos from auth plugins18:53
rodrigodsso... in k2k auth plugin we need to be logged in two clouds at the same time: local cloud and remote cloud. So we are building a plugin that uses another plugin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188581/18:53
ayoungand make them factes we enable on the session18:53
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bknudsonhow does the library know which plugin to use?18:54
rodrigodswe want to figure out how to pass this "extra" plugin to OSC so it will be able to build the plugins correctly.18:54
rodrigodsbknudson, that's the question :)18:54
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ayoungeven big plugins have little plugins upon their backs to bitem18:54
rodrigodsmarekd proposal (which makes much sense to me) is something like: openstack --os-auth-plugin=password --project-id=<local_project> --os-remote-auth-plugin --os-remote-projectid=<remote_plugin> remote token issue/remote server list is a good UX, so we are basically ties to a local cloud and with command like remote we are bursting.18:54
bknudsonit would be based on the region?18:55
gyee_what is a region?18:55
rodrigodsregion?18:55
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rodrigodsit is based in the service_provider18:55
gyee_lets get some consensus on the meaning of region18:56
rodrigodsregion is a set of openstack services, service_provider is a remote trusted cloud18:56
rodrigodswhich may have several regions as well18:57
gyee_but IIRC, that's not how our service catalog says18:57
gyee_not how Horizon is using it18:57
rodrigodsservice providers aren't listed inside the catalog18:57
bknudsonthe openstack command will be something like openstack server create , right?18:57
rodrigodsbknudson, yes18:58
bknudsonso how does it know that you're server is on local cloud or remote cloud?18:58
rodrigodsbknudson, we right now can specify plugins dinamically18:58
gyee_bknudson, the namespace idea got me thinking, actually18:58
rodrigodsso if we also specify a "remote-auth-plugin"18:58
bknudsonI'm not talking about the auth plugin here.18:58
bknudsonthis is after the auth plugin.18:58
morganfainberg2m18:58
bknudsonhow does it know where to send the boot request?18:58
bknudsonisn't that the region?18:59
bknudsonafter it gets the token18:59
rodrigodsbknudson, the remote cloud token contains its regions18:59
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bknudsonhow does the openstack command know what the remote cloud is?19:00
dolphmbknudson: you go to talk to the remote cloud the entire time19:00
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rodrigodsdolphm, ++19:00
dolphmbknudson: service providers are in the token resopnse, but not in the catalog exactly19:00
bknudsonexcept for the first request which goes to local keystone19:00
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morganfainbergok that is time19:01
dstanek... over time19:01
morganfainbergplease move this to -keystone19:01
morganfainbergthanks all19:01
rodrigodsok, thanks!19:01
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morganfainbergbrowne will discuss in -keystone19:01
morganfainberg#endmeeting19:01
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jeblair#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:01
jeblair#link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-06-02-19.01.html19:01
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jeblair#topic Specs approval: Infra-cloud (jeblair, SpamapS)19:02
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jeblair#info infra cloud spec was approved19:02
jeblair#link infra cloud spec http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/infra-cloud.html19:02
jeblairthe action on this now moves to the system documentation which is here:19:02
jeblair#link infra cloud documentation https://review.openstack.org/18079619:02
jeblairso people interested in how we actually deploy that should review that19:03
ruagairo/19:03
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jeblair#topic Specs approval: Host OpenStack Apps Catalog Service (docaedo, fungi)19:03
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jeblair#info apps.o.o spec was approved19:03
jeblair#link apps.o.o spec http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/apps-site.html19:03
jeblairthat's two down! :)19:03
fungiawesome. guess now i'm on the hook to finish that ;)19:04
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jeblairfungi: i have subscribed to your repo :)19:04
jeblair#topic Specs approval: Shade (mordred)19:04
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fungiand my newsletter?19:04
jeblair#link shade spec https://review.openstack.org/18731219:04
mordredapprove my spec everyone19:05
mordredotherwise I'll be sad19:05
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jeblairthis looks like it has buy-in from folks in this area of interest19:05
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jeblairanyone think it needs more time or shall we open voting on it?19:05
jeblair#info voting on https://review.openstack.org/187312 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC19:06
jeblair#topic Specs approval: Puppet apply (mordred)19:06
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jeblair#link puppet apply spec https://review.openstack.org/16521719:06
mordredapprove my spec everyone19:06
mordredotherwise I'll be sad19:06
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jeblairnext up, a spec from mordred!19:06
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anteayamordred: can you just add that to the commit message?19:06
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mordredanteaya: I do have that ability19:07
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anteayayou do19:07
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jeblairthis one also seems ready to me; it's something we've talked about, and nearly implemented, for a long time19:07
mordredas a note, the ansible puppet module has been merged into upstream ansible19:07
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nibalizerjeblair: agree19:07
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jeblair#info voting on https://review.openstack.org/165217 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC19:07
jeblair#topic Specs approval: Puppet 4 preparation and testing (mordred)19:07
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mordredapprove my spec everyone19:08
jeblair#link puppet4 spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17522319:08
mordredotherwise I'll be sad19:08
anteayamordred specbot19:08
mordredthis is the last time I'll have 5 specs up for voting at the same time, I promise19:08
fungiyikes. puppet 4 already?19:08
anteayaI don't believe you19:08
dougwignext time it'll be 1019:08
mordredfungi: it's coming19:08
mordreddougwig: ++19:09
nibalizerfungi: just setting up the testing19:09
nibalizerwe dont have to pull the trigger19:09
funginibalizer: more just amazed that puppet 4 already exists19:09
mordredfungi: semver solves everything19:09
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nibalizeryour view is probably skewed a bit because we were on 3 for entirely too long19:09
nibalizerjeblair: I think this spec is ready19:09
jeblairs/were/have been/  :)19:10
jeblair(which i guess is the point :)19:10
mordreds/3/2/19:10
jeblairnibalizer: agree19:10
nibalizers/3/2/19:10
anteayadougwig: that is more like it19:10
jeblair#info voting on https://review.openstack.org/175223 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC19:10
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nibalizerwooo19:10
jeblair#topic Specs approval: Maniphest bug tracking (mordred)19:10
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jeblair#link maniphest spec https://review.openstack.org/18819619:10
mordredapprove my spec everyone19:10
mordredotherwise I'll be sad19:10
pleia2mordred is a spec machine19:10
fungialso he has a great command of the up arrow in his irc client19:11
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anteayaha ha ha19:11
mordredfungi: I have an up arrow?19:11
jeblairttx: ^ you might want to take a look at this one19:11
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jeblairbut i think this comes almost directly from the summit session, so i think it's probably ready for voting19:12
jeblairanyone disagree ^?19:12
fungiseems ready19:12
mordredI made one informational change in the last revision in response to yolanda's question19:12
mordredwhich is worth pointing out - which is the that I do not think we want to run both things - so we would be migrating everything in storyboard, not just infra projects19:13
jeblair*nod*19:13
jeblairthere aren't too many of those19:13
jeblair#info voting on https://review.openstack.org/188196 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC19:13
jeblair#topic Specs approval: Puppet Functional Testing (nibalizer, crinkle)19:13
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jeblair#link puppet functional testing spec https://review.openstack.org/17888719:14
crinkleo/19:14
jeblairzaro does not seem to be here19:14
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jeblairhe -1d it with questions, but i think they were asking for more information, not expressing significant disagreement or potential problems19:15
nibalizerThis is largely a summary of what was discussed at the summit, with cleanups from crinkle19:15
nibalizerwell more like a rewrite from crinkle19:15
crinkleah i can take a look at zaro's questions19:15
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jeblairnibalizer: answered them as comments; i don't actually think they need a new revision, so i'm inclined to say let's open voting as-is19:16
crinklelooks like nibalizer answered them19:16
mordred++19:16
nibalizerjeblair: i agree, but I'm biased :)19:16
jeblair#info voting on https://review.openstack.org/178887 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC19:17
jeblair#topic Specs approval: Host a code search service (taron, fungi, pleia2)19:17
nibalizerwoooo19:17
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jeblair#link code search spec https://review.openstack.org/18857419:17
fungiif you don't approve my spec, i won't be sad. i was planning to spend this morning reviewing everyone else's open specs and then reality got in the way (again)19:17
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taronheh19:17
fungithis is the project taron, our outreachy intern, is going to be working on this summer19:17
jeblairfungi: but mordred might be sad19:17
mordredthis may be the first spec we've had in infra which suggests that someone write go19:17
fungia frightening thought indeed19:18
* mordred opens the barn door to show everyone 27 sad goats19:18
pleia2hah19:18
* mordred closes the door again satisfied that people know the consequences19:18
fungimordred: fwiw, that go suggestion was courtesy of jeblair ;)19:18
jeblairmordred's new programming language is goat19:18
mordredjeblair: WHY IS THAT NOT A LANGUAGE?????19:19
* fungi assumed this was just an "at" replacement written in go19:19
anteayait will show up everywhere19:19
taronI was about to ask the same thing19:19
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anteayaeat the flowers19:19
anteayabe in the neighbour's yard19:19
jeblair#info voting on https://review.openstack.org/188574 open until 2015-06-11 19:00 UTC19:19
mordredanteaya: eat the neighbour's yard19:19
jeblairthat was fun!19:19
jeblair#topic Schedule Project Renames19:19
mordredjeblair: whee!19:19
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anteayamordred: that too19:19
jeblairi think we mumbled something about doing this on friday as we were ejected from the room last week19:20
fungiwe have entirely too many of these19:20
fungibut i agree friday would work for me19:20
jeblairwe have a metric boatload19:20
anteayawell this friday worked better for me and fungi than last friday19:20
mordredyah. and I still haven't tested the playlist :(19:20
mordredplaybook19:20
mordredwhatever19:20
pleia2I think the puppet openstack stuff needs to move too, and it's not yet on the list19:20
crinkleEmilienM: ^19:20
mordredyah. I beleive I saw a patch for that19:20
anteayaplaybill19:20
nibalizermordred: lets spin up a spotify playlist for these ops19:20
jeblairmordred: do you think you might have something for us by then?19:20
fungii wonder where we could get a metric boat for these19:20
jeblairmordred: or should we proceed as we have in the past?19:21
anteayafungi: not the states19:21
jeblairmordred: and will you be around?19:21
mordredjeblair: I mean, let's plan to proceed as we have in the past - but I'l also try to have something for us19:21
pleia2I'm out on friday for family medical thing, but you can go on without me19:21
mordredjeblair: I will be in berlin19:21
mordredjeblair: I do not know if that counts as around19:21
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ttxjeblair: adding to my review queue19:21
fungimordred: i'm happy to put together yet another cut-n-paste batch for this round if the playbook is not ready for prime time19:22
anteayawell this friday looks like just fungi and jeblair (you good for friday?) for roots19:22
anteayaand a huge list19:22
mordredI mean, I'll be around if we can do it earlier in the day19:22
anteayapleia2: is next friday better for you?19:22
mordredif we do it later in the day, I'll be, you know, drunk - but could still be around19:22
pleia2anteaya: yeah, I'll be around19:23
anteayapleia2: so the 19th is better for you?19:23
anteayamordred: the 19th?19:23
anteayaI'm around on the 19th but not root so kind of useless19:23
jeblairwe normally do it around 2200 utc19:24
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jeblairmordred: what time would be best for you this friday?19:24
fungieither of the next two fridays are wide open for me. i'll just be here fixing (or breaking) things19:24
mordredanteaya: I will be around on the 19th19:24
jeblair(i think 2200 utc counts as vaguely "late" in berlin)19:24
mordredjeblair: I mean, I don't have a lot on my calendar for friday19:24
mordredso I have no idea19:24
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jeblairi will be sprinting on friday the 19th19:25
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mordredproblem is - the times that would be good for me are times when it's bad to have an outage19:25
jeblair(project-team guide virtual sprint)19:25
anteayaoh yeah, the sprint19:25
mordredahyes19:25
anteayaokay well if it is just jeblair and fungi this friday I'm around to do what I can to help19:25
jeblairi mean, we might decide to call it quits by 2200 on the 19th anyway19:25
ttxjeblair: I plan to start doing things on the Thursday fwiw19:25
fungii think we've gotten the project renames sufficiently streamlined that we can manage it with just two people in a reasonable amount of time19:26
jeblairfungi: yup19:26
ttxbut yeah, I definitely won't be around anymore at 2200 utc19:26
jeblairttx: good plan :)19:26
jeblairlet's go ahead and do this friday, the 12th, at 2200 and we'll see what happens with mordred and his playbook19:27
mordredsounds like a children's book19:27
jeblair(i think we would love for either or both to show up, as they are able)19:27
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anteayamordred: like where the wild things are19:27
jeblairfungi: sound good ^ ?19:27
fungiwfm19:28
jeblair#agreed project renames friday june 12 at 2200 utc19:28
jeblairi'll send the announcement19:28
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pleia2I'll try to pop in if my husband is recovering ok, but no promises :)19:28
anteayapleia2: thanks19:28
jeblair#action jeblair send announcement for project renames friday june 12 at 2200 utc19:28
anteayapleia2: hope things go well for him19:28
pleia2anteaya: thanks19:28
jeblair#topic Priority Efforts (Downstream Puppet)19:29
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asselinhi, I sent an e-mail about the proposed virtual sprint for common-ci19:29
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yolandai started work on nodepool.conf either on puppet module, and in nodepool itself19:30
jeblair#info Virtual Sprint scheduled: Wednesday July 8 1600 UTC Sprint will run for 48 hours19:30
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nibalizerwoot19:30
jeblair#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#OpenStack_Common-CI_Solution19:30
asselinno objections stated, so we should be good witht he date time agreed in the last meeting19:30
pleia2turns out I will be around for that (other engagement has been postponed), anteaya you too?19:30
nibalizerbeaker-rspec tests are comming19:30
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anteayapleia2: yes I expect to be available19:30
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nibalizerthey're almost in place for openstackci and then I will fungi them out to all the other modules19:30
jeblairnibalizer: which will land first, the spec or the tests? :)19:30
anteayayes do fungi them out19:30
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* fungi has just been mordreding, fwiw19:31
anteayafungi: eating the neighbour's yards?19:31
jeblairanteaya: drinking19:31
anteayaha ha ha19:31
nibalizerjeblair: dunno19:31
* mordred hands fungi a mostly unused implement19:31
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fungiwell, i meant following in the tradition of scripting mass change batches of mostly trivial/repetitive stuff19:31
nibalizerwe talked a bit with pabelanger and pleia2, testing will focus on infra's use case i.e. ubuntu but our friends who use centos are welcome to add support and testing to the modules for that19:32
fungibut drinking too, yes19:32
cody-somerville:]19:32
jeblairnibalizer: sounds good19:32
jeblairtests help make that kind of support viable19:32
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jeblair(it has not been in the past, we will just instabreak things)19:33
pabelangernibalizer, jeblair Yup, I can help out where ever possible.19:33
zaroo/19:33
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nibalizerthats all I got19:33
jeblaircool, thanks19:33
nibalizerexcited for the sprint19:34
jeblair#topic Open discussion19:34
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yolandajeblair, saw you unlocked a pair of my changes, cool19:34
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yolandai just did a quick rebase but i need to look carefully19:34
jeblairyolanda: yeah, the blocking change merged a long time ago, i just missed those, sorry19:34
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yolandano problem19:34
pabelangerI wanted to know if creating a spec for grafana was worth while.  Outside the CI dashboard spec that is going on now19:35
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asselinci dashboard spec might get abandoned....19:35
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pabelangersince a few people, nibalizer, timrc are doing stuff downstream with it19:36
pabelangerasselin, I didn't know that19:36
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timrcWhat would the grafana spec include?19:36
nibalizerpabelanger: eh, i think getting a grafana up and having it driven by git might be enough19:36
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timrcOne of the things I really want are more data points.  I think we need a spec for data gathering and analysis in general :)19:36
jeblairpabelanger: i think with the current scope of "run grafana, use grafyaml to translate static yaml files to grafana configs" probably doesn't need a spec unless you want to.  if it gets any more complicated than that, we probably should.19:37
anteayapabelanger: look at the logs for monday's third party meeting19:37
asselinpabelanger, take a look at the latest comments: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/19:37
anteayapabelanger: it provides some context19:37
pabelangertimrc, mostly just importing it into -infra, a server that runs it and allows people to setup graph points19:37
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pabelangerjeblair, Ya, that is what I was mostly asking.  If a spec was required, then I'd do it.  But if we just wanted to stand up a server and run grafyaml, then that is good too19:38
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asselinan alternative working solution is being proposed. Perhaps the spec will be to just use this: http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack%2Fcinder&user=&timeframe=2419:38
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timrcI'm ambivalent on a spec.  A spec would maybe open the floor for more ideas from other people that maybe haven't listened in on the conversations we've had on #openstack-infra.19:38
asselinpabelanger, currently hosted here: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/third-party-ci-tools/19:38
fungipabelanger: i think we've been leaning toward specs for any implementation requiring new servers, but stuff running on existing servers without substantial new complexity seems fair game for no spec19:38
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pabelangerokay, so no spec. I'm cool with that.  I'll focus on the puppet-grafana module this week and ping people for reviews19:39
pabelangerwhile will be timrc and nibalizer :)19:39
pabelangerwhich*19:39
nibalizer:P19:40
timrcpabelanger, Awesome.  We already have grafana deployed in HP so if you need any assistance there, I'd be happy to help.19:40
timrcpabelanger, Also did you solve automating datasources and orgs?19:40
pabelangerThe only other thing I had was around SteveK's packaging work.  Anybody work local with him, or contact.  I've tried pinging him a few times, but nothing back19:40
pabelangertimrc, nothing official yet, that's the last piece for me19:41
pleia2pabelanger: he's in .au, so ping in US night are best19:41
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timrcpabelanger, I'll take this offline... there are some other gotchas I stumbled across when deploying this into HP :)19:41
pabelangerpleia2, okay, perhaps a ML post is better.19:41
pleia2pabelanger: he also does respond to email, which I resort to sometimes when I don't want to stay late19:41
* pleia2 nods19:41
pabelangerwas mostly looking for an update from him, to help get the infra packaging going again19:42
pabelangersince I have some spare cycles to work on it19:42
pabelangertimrc, roger19:42
pleia2cool19:42
pabelangerThat is all from me19:42
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jeblairanteaya, asselin: whatever comes out of the third-party ci dashboard area, we should have a spec for it; even if it's "run patrick's thing"19:43
anteayajeblair: understood19:44
asselinjeblair, ok19:44
anteayaasselin: are we able to create that spec yet?19:44
anteayaasselin: I can work on it with you if you wish19:44
asselinanteaya, ok let's discuss offline19:44
anteayaasselin: okay19:44
jeblairpabelanger, mordred: is there a packaging spec yet?19:45
jeblairah19:45
jeblairhttps://review.openstack.org/17971319:45
mordredyah19:45
pabelangerya19:46
pabelangerthat is the one I was referring too19:46
jeblairok, so that's where the conversation is19:46
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mordredI should respond to zigo19:46
jeblairanyone have anything els?19:46
mordredI think there is a difference between "to bypass distros" and "that need to exist sometimes because of the operational need to have a package that is not currently in the distros"19:47
mordredit's a difference of intent19:47
mordrednot of substance19:47
jeblairyeah 'bypass' doesn't really cover that subtlety19:47
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jeblairokay, we can let the tc get started early!19:48
jeblairthanks everyone!19:48
zaromordred: iirc you said you were working on spec for testing gerrit upgrades?19:48
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jeblairto be continued in infra channel ^19:50
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ttxAnyone here for the TC meeting ?20:00
j^2o/20:00
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mordredo/20:00
ttxrussellb, jgriffith, annegentle, lifeless, flaper87, dtroyer, markmcclain, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann: around ?20:00
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russellb<3 coutesy ping20:00
russellbcourtesy too20:00
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ttx#startmeeting tc20:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun  9 20:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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ttxLive from Berlin, our agenda for today:20:01
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ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee20:01
krotscheck\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/20:01
TravTo/20:01
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ttx#topic Cross-project spec final approval: Supported messaging drivers policy20:01
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edleafeo/20:01
ttx#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174105/20:01
lakshmiSo/20:01
ttxI feel like this one reached consensus state and is as rady as it will ever be20:02
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* flaper87 thinks that review is good to go20:02
ttxready, even20:02
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* flaper87 likes rady better20:02
lifelessttx: o/20:02
ttxIf no objection I'll push final approval in-meeting20:02
lifelessttx: just finishing brekkie w/family so a little distracted :/20:02
russellbis the end result "only the rabbit/kombu driver currently meets expectations" ?20:02
russellbfine with me, just curious20:02
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sdagueo/20:03
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ttxSpamapS: around?20:03
* sigmavirus24 agrees with flaper87, rady is better20:03
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zanebrussellb: that was my impression20:03
ttxPersonally I hope that this will make the people who care about certain other drivers to step up20:03
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flaper87ttx: it has already20:04
ttxnot that it will make us drop anything20:04
flaper87I've seen movement in other drivers20:04
flaper87and that's why I'm happy with this spec20:04
russellbi think we can drop the old qpid one20:04
russellb:)20:04
krotscheckSpamapS is at a conference, he _might_ bea round20:04
ttxflaper87: including the zmq one ?20:04
krotscheckBut I didn't see him carrying around a laptop20:04
flaper87russellb: that's in the works20:04
flaper87ttx: yes20:04
russellbcool20:04
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ttxflaper87: ok, missed that, nice20:04
dhellmanniiuc, the current qpid driver would be deprecated and other drivers would need to be brought up to standard20:04
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russellbwfm20:04
flaper87dhellmann: yes, that's the conclusion20:05
ttxAny objection to me pushing the final +1 now ?20:05
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sdagueit is worth noting that it's not just solid driver code that's needed, having the user community has been pretty critical to addressing real issues in the rabbit support. So it will be interesting to see if other backends build a real user community.20:05
ttxI guess we could use a 7th TC vote on it20:05
annegentlettx: I just voted +220:06
ttxmordred: care to convert your +1 in a +2?20:06
sdaguemordred has a +1 on there20:06
flaper87sdague:plus, provide the required support when issue will come up20:06
markmcclainmakes sense to approve20:06
flaper87(because they will)20:06
dtroyerttx: done20:06
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mordredone sec20:06
annegentleIs the timeline "Liberty release" for docs updates?20:06
ttxalright, I guess that's more than enough20:06
flaper87I had some nit comments but I thought they weren't blockers, hence my vote20:06
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dhellmannannegentle: yes, I think the intent is to mark that qpid driver as deprecated this cycle20:07
ttxok, approved20:07
jaypipesI guess I am a little confused why the TC is handling this...20:07
* flaper87 will deprecate that driver himself20:07
annegentledhellmann: got it, thanks. I'll pass along to loquacities20:07
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ttxjaypipes: we are just judging if consensus is reached20:07
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russellbjaypipes: i guessed because of the broad impact it has (why it's cross-project and not just an oslo thing)20:08
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russellbfundamental piece of the infrastructure20:08
ttx#topic Cross-project spec final approval: CORS Support for OpenStack20:08
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ttx#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179866/20:08
flaper87to be fair, the original proposal was: Lets drop everything but kombu20:08
flaper87which is why it ended up as a cross-project thing20:08
russellbherrh20:08
jaypipeswell, yeah, I know that, but are we planning on doing this for databases and other stuff that is "funsdamental"?20:08
krotscheckhi hi!20:09
ttxThis one also has pretty wide approval now, so I'd like to move and final-approve it20:09
dhellmannjaypipes: we're erring on the side of more communication20:09
ttxfun-damental20:09
ttxunless somone thinks we need to hold it more20:09
ttxor someone20:09
markmcclainlifeless was +1 on it20:09
krotscheckFor the sake of the CORS specification, I'd be happy to do followup patches if particular points need to be tweaked.20:10
markmcclainso we'd have 7 +2s if he upgrades20:10
ttxwe already have more than we need20:10
ttxthe question is more... do we think this needs any more baking time20:10
ttxI personally do not think that it does20:10
sdagueno, I think the CORS stuff looks fine to move forward20:10
markmcclainsdague: +120:11
lifelessI'd really been hoping krotscheck would push some tweaks20:11
sdaguethere will be devils in details, but honestly, that won't be sorted until there is more core20:11
sdaguecode20:11
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dhellmannlifeless: is that -1?20:11
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krotschecklifeless: Convention travel + linting arguments prevented that.20:11
jgriffithI wasn't exactly sure why the proxy option wasn't viable, but don't have any real problem with the patch20:11
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lifelessdhellmann: I don't think its worth blocking it on. I think it would be better with my suggestions, and AIUI krotscheck isn't oppposed to them.20:12
dhellmannlifeless: ok, that sounds like an update patch20:12
krotschecklifeless: I can push a followup tweak easily enough, as I don't really have a problem with your suggestions. They just clarify things.20:12
sdagueyeh, I'd just handle that as an update patch20:12
sdagueand, honestly, I'd expect that once real code is out there, a few other details will fall out20:13
ttxlifeless: if you +2 (pointing to an upcoming follow-up patch, I will final-approve it now20:13
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lifelessttx: I don't know what that subordinate clause means20:13
* krotscheck wanders off to write a followup.20:13
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lifelessttx: do you mean wait for the subequent patcha nd +220:13
lifelessttx: or do you mean +2 on the basis of this conversation alone?20:13
ttxlifeless: the latter20:14
lifelessok20:14
lifelessdone20:14
ttxAlright, let's do this20:14
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* krotscheck does a little specification dance.20:14
ttxdone20:15
krotscheckOne semi related question.20:15
ttxkrotscheck: yes?20:15
krotscheckI'm doing a LOT of things right now to do javascript supporting things in Openstack, and I do _not_ want to be the only person who has that knowledge. Where can I document the things that I'm doing?20:16
krotscheckLike, dev guide for linting. Or how to configure cors. How caching works. That kind of stuff.20:16
* krotscheck should probably just pull annegentle aside offline20:16
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annegentlesure20:16
annegentleor loquacities the docs ptl :)20:16
jeblairkrotscheck: cross-project specs?20:17
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krotscheckAlrighety, that's enough of an answer :)20:17
ttxok moving on20:17
krotscheckI'm good, going to go do lifeless 's changes.20:17
ttx#topic Discuss differences between Ops and TC "tags"20:17
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jgriffithkrotscheck: the infra and qa folks have been doing some really good stuff with documenting things... might be worth looking at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/subunit2sql/README.html20:17
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jgriffithkrotscheck: in conjunctions with docs folks of course20:17
ttx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2015-June/000991.html20:18
ttxOK, so this was prompted by the recent proposals from the Ops "Tags" WG20:18
ttxWhen I attended the second part of the workgroup in Vancouver I was under the impression they were onto something that would work well within the framework we created20:18
ttxSo I felt like it was great that they would run with the concept and own the "ops feedback" part of it20:18
ttxBut looking at the recent proposals it's pretty obvious they are onto something slightly different that would not fit that well into the tag framework we have20:18
ttxBasically they want to provide structured documentation about projects around areas like packaging, production usage etc.20:18
jaypipesttx: yes, entirely different :(20:18
ttxSo they are more defining a grammar to express that information in YAML, rather than simple binary tags that can be attached to projects.20:19
ttxI still think it's important and valuable information for them to communicate, but I don't think we should call both "tags" or have them live under the same roof.20:19
ttxIn the email referenced above I mention 3 possible solutions20:19
mordredI agree. although I do not actually want to have the discussion about the right name20:19
anteayais there anyone from the ops tags group here right now?20:19
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jaypipesttx: they are also setting themselves up for failure, IMHO, and a situation where the data will be almost immediately stale and worse than in the openstack.org wiki.20:19
flaper87I was quite surprised, by reading ttx's email, that they're planning to score in some of those areas20:19
ttx1/ We can try to convince them to make their areas more like tags20:19
flaper87Surprised in the sense that I'm curious how they are going to do it20:20
ttxbut they don't see really interested in doing that20:20
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ttx2/ We can overhaul *our* tags so that they look more like their areas20:20
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ttxbut I still think having simple tags is an easier-to-consume piece of information to attach to all the projects we have20:20
ttx(makes creating a website to navigate those so much simpler)20:20
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annegentlewow on "worse than in the openstack.org wiki" jaypipes :)20:20
jaypipesttx: yes. exactly. a tag means something clear and concise.20:20
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ttx3/ We can let them coexist (TC provides tags, Ops provide ops-data) but stop calling them the same, because that's confusing.20:20
flaper87I prefer option 3, lets let them experiment and we can sync on the different approaches20:20
jeblairttx: is your followup to 1/ based on subsequent conversation, or just the initial "oh, look they have a thing and it's not our tags"?20:20
ttxI think I have a slight preference for #3 since we could totally rely on ops-data to "objectively" apply some tags20:20
jaypipesannegentle: meaning the wiki can very easily get stale info, like any wiki...20:20
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flaper87we might end up changing (or they will end up changing)20:21
annegentlejaypipes: yep20:21
annegentleI think we need to let both approaches run for a bit.20:21
annegentleSo option 3 lets that happen.20:21
ttxjeblair: from my intersaction with the group (on the ML, and direct discussions with Tom) it appears they are pretty attached to the way they want to do it20:21
jeblairttx: (you said they are not interested; are they still not interested after having been made aware of the mismatch?)20:21
anteayaI think that in absence of any reps from the ops tags committee that the tc can't really decide what they should do, only what the tc should do20:21
zanebwhat ops want is not so much tags as more targeted analytics data (extension to bitergia/stackalytics) by the sounds of it20:21
flaper87But +1 for using different terms20:21
jeblairttx: ok, thanks20:21
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lifelessI have a strong preference to 320:21
flaper87it'd be *really* confusing to have both called tags20:21
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lifeless2 doesn't really work for us20:21
sdagueyeh, that's my lean is towards #3 at this point, and see where it heads20:21
flaper87zaneb: that was my impression as well20:22
jeblair#320:22
russellb+1 to #3 and revisit over time as things evolve20:22
lifelessand 1/ - smart folk in that group feel like it works for them; we're out of context at the moment and I think there are more important tings to focus on20:22
russellbsee how it goes20:22
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russellbget out of their way ;)20:22
jgriffith#320:22
jeblairyep.  and 2 means we get further behind.20:22
sdaguebecause at the end of the day this whole exercise was about getting information to users, and they've defined the information they want, lets see if a model for producing it and keeping it up to date emerges20:22
ttxThe WG will gather on IRC next Thursday and I'd like to know what to tell them -- looks like  ishouldtell them to do what they want but call it something else to avoid global confusion20:22
jaypipesI prefer 1/ really, but I'm more than happy to let their current strategy fail and then revisit.20:22
dhellmannttx: how much confusion do you think it really raises to call both "tags"? and how likely are we to get them to change the name of their thing?20:22
annegentleI'd like for this ops group to be a working group for running with the ideas for "measures for maturity"20:22
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ttxdhellmann: I know every time we said "we could call both things the same" we ended up regretting it down the road20:23
ttxwhen it's too late to change20:23
dhellmannttx: true20:23
flaper87ttx: ++20:23
lifelessjaypipes: I think its entirely fine if you have the bandwidth to engage with them; but I don't think the TC movement forward should depend on aligning20:23
mordred++20:23
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ttxjaypipes: could be worse, their grammar could be xml20:23
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jaypipeslifeless: why you calling *me* out specifically?20:24
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lifelessbecause you're specifically saying you think they'll fail20:24
sdaguewell, unless someone comes up with something more catchy than "ops tags" it's going to be what sticks20:24
lifelessI don't have an opinion on whether their approach will fail or not20:24
lifelessas yet20:24
jaypipeslifeless: I have *already* engaged with them. and their answer has been "f off, we'll do it our way".20:24
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lifelessjaypipes: haha, so that makes 1 a no-go anyhow :)20:24
zanebsdague: "ops metrics?"20:24
mordredthey could call their tags "tenants"20:25
sdagueor policy20:25
mordredor maybe "projects"20:25
ttxwell, i won't cmoe up wit a name, just pointing out that tags is not the best word to describe what they are up to. Also that they shouldn't feel constrained to use our format there20:25
flaper87categories ?20:25
zanebrofl20:25
jeblairmordred: ;)20:25
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edleafezones20:25
lifelessflaper87: ops monoids?20:25
russellbmetadata, catalog20:25
mordrededleafe: domains20:25
russellbso many choices of things that already have uses20:25
flaper87lifeless: lol20:25
* jaypipes looks forward to the ops:packaged:centos:call-me-maybe:ok-with-cern-this-week "tag"20:25
dtroyerhopefully something similar to 'ops' can be incorporated to help distinguish the different sources20:25
russellbthis bike shed is about to fall over from too much paint20:25
jgriffithLOL20:25
mordredjaypipes: dude. that's an AWESOME tag20:25
lifelessI want it cerulean20:26
sdaguerussellb: heh20:26
mordredrussellb: maybe we can paint the paint a different color20:26
flaper87jaypipes: LOL20:26
dtroyerjust a bare word doesn't help the reader know what they are looking at.  that probably applies to 'tags' too20:26
flaper87mordred: I vote black20:26
jgriffithnoops-tag20:26
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mordredflaper87: which shade?20:26
lifelessops-ribs20:26
ttxOK, I think I have what I need here20:26
mordredlifeless: YES20:26
jaypipeslook, there's nothing wrong with structured information. but like I said in the reviews on the ops tags repo, that's what I like to call "documentation".20:26
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jeblairttx: and plenty of 'helpful' suggestions20:26
lifeless[if you figure out how my brain went there, you get a cider in tokyo]20:26
ttxwe can move on, unless you want to further paint the yak20:26
anteayadtroyer: you make a good point20:26
flaper87mordred: dark, deep, obscure and evil20:26
russellb"ops project catalog"20:27
* russellb shrugs20:27
* flaper87 gets his mind back on the meeting20:27
ttx#topic Add the Searchlight Project20:27
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flaper87+120:27
ttx#link https://review.openstack.org/18801420:27
ttxLooks like most people like it20:27
ttxLooks more like a split than a new thing to me20:27
jeblairttx: agreed on both20:28
ttxand since it's not exactly the same team, we can definitely have a new "project team" for it20:28
TravTbasically we think this improves focus on the search concept as a well defined service while also un-complicating some of the glance story.20:28
sdagueyeh, the team doing it has something pretty solid already. Their initial design already had a separate end point20:28
ttxsince now we can20:28
jaypipesno brainer, IMO.20:28
sdagueit was basically pushed into glance because of old governance, but definitely best on it's own20:28
flaper87Agreed, plus, the demo itself was quite isolated already20:28
mordred++20:28
flaper87ttx: go go go go20:28
* ttx checks votes20:29
ttxalright, more than enough here20:29
russellbmaybe it should be SearchLight instead of Searchlight20:29
russellb(kidding..)20:29
ttxlast call for objections20:29
annegentlerussellb: groan :)20:29
sigmavirus24russellb: don't do that20:29
* sdague hits russellb with a hallibut 20:29
kragnizrussellb: pls no20:29
* dhellmann puts down the club he was swinging at russellb 20:29
russellblolol.20:29
TravTlol20:29
sigmavirus24rassellb plz20:29
jgriffithactually I think russellb has a point...20:30
jgriffithjust kidding20:30
ttxGreenlight?20:30
sigmavirus24ಠ_ಠ20:30
ttxapproved20:30
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kragnizwoo!20:30
TravT:)20:30
sigmavirus24ლ(╹◡╹ლ)20:30
dhellmanncongrats to the Searchlight team!20:30
lakshmiSgreat!20:30
russellbthanks for coming to the meeting in case there was more discussion needed, team :)20:30
ttxThough I wonder what animal mascot a Searchlight can have but that's for another day20:30
sigmavirus24ttx: eye of sauron20:30
sigmavirus24;)20:30
russellblol!20:31
rosmaitaone of those deep water fish20:31
sjmc7:-)20:31
russellbthat's amazing20:31
TravTi do hope we get a patch next summit...20:31
kragnizTravT: we'd better20:31
* TravT still feeling unhappy that horizon didn't have one20:31
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russellbsearchlight spelunkers20:31
lifelessan eye of sauron ?20:31
annegentlerosmaita: ha!20:31
mordredlifeless: sigmavirus24 beat you to that20:31
ttxAlright, this is moving faster than I thought20:31
ttx#topic Workgroup reports20:31
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lifelessmordred: no, not w.r.t. horizon20:31
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ttx* Project Team Guide20:31
lifelessmordred: it was deliberate20:31
ttxWe have a repository initial commit at https://review.openstack.org/18951420:32
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ttxjeblair: what's the current make up for the core team there ?20:32
jeblairi helped!20:32
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jeblairttx: apparently you can +2...20:32
* jeblair stalls for time20:32
ttxyeah, but if i'm te only one I guess I should not wait for another20:32
flaper87ttx: I can +220:32
flaper87done20:32
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flaper87approved20:32
jeblairttx: oh, it's the tc20:33
ttxtc20:33
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ttxyep20:33
sdaguettx: what's the approval rules expected there? normal core rules, or something more complicated?20:33
ttxlet's do a simple 2 +2s though, not a majority vote :)20:33
sdagueI'm fine with that20:33
ttxit's doc20:33
sdagueanything contentious can come back to the meeting for a fight20:33
ttxwe migt actually refine that to the group of people actually working on it20:33
dhellmann++20:33
jeblairi also plan on doing a little more work before the sprint.  i will add files for each of the sections based on the preliminary toc so that we can paralellize and avoid some conflicts.20:34
ttxbut I'm fine with tc for starters, that might encourage others to join20:34
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flaper87ttx: I assumed it was like that20:34
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ttxjeblair: that would be very helpful yes20:34
flaper87ttx: as in, the group of folks that raised their hands 3 weeks ago20:34
flaper87(or was it 4)20:34
flaper87:P20:34
ttxflaper87: the list is on the etherpad20:34
flaper87ttx: yup20:34
dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/project-team-guide20:35
jeblairi'll go ahead and update the gerrit acl to a new group then so we can change it easier20:35
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ttxI planned to write stuff on planes this week but ended up discussing battery life with morganfainberg20:35
ttx* Communicatoins workgroup20:35
ttxannegentle: flaper87: ?20:35
flaper87#link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/06/technical-committee-highlights-june-5-2015/20:35
flaper87That's the last report we published20:35
annegentleposted!20:36
annegentletweet it y'all!20:36
annegentlettx: squandering airplane wifi20:36
flaper87I wonder if enough people have been getting it (I guess we ask this question every week)20:36
ttxannegentle: flaper87: did you get any feedback ? Like from people apprecating you doing this ?20:36
ttx+i20:36
flaper87ttx: the first week we did and it was good20:36
annegentlettx: not really, but we have lately been coinciding accidentally with the Weekly round up20:36
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flaper87but I haven't heard much lately20:37
annegentleso we might try publishing Wednesdays? I dunno.20:37
anteayaflaper87: where/how was this appreciation conveyed?20:37
ttxI fear it's one of those things people complain about when it's not there, but won't exactly cheer when it is20:37
anteayattx: I sense the same20:37
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annegentleheh that's fine, I'm used to that :)20:37
flaper87anteaya: IRC, email and twitter20:37
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flaper87but again20:38
anteayaflaper87: any links? I missed the email appreciation apparently20:38
flaper87there wasn't much and it was just the first day20:38
flaper87anteaya: it might have been just IRC and twitter. I'll try to find logs and emails20:38
annegentletiming note: we'd need to publish Wed. if we want a link in Friday's weekly newsletter20:38
* flaper87 has a very bad memory20:38
ttxok, anything else on the communications wg ?20:39
annegentlethink we can wait til next Wed. to do another post?20:39
flaper87annegentle: +120:39
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ttxI think it's fine yes20:39
anteayaflaper87: thank you20:39
dhellmannmaybe a simple email to announce Searchlight's status change?20:39
flaper87dhellmann: can TravT do that? I think it'd be great if he presents the project too20:40
ttxmaybe can be the co-PTLs there self-congratulating20:40
anteayaI like the idea of training folks who want this info to find it in one place, not scattered20:40
anteayasince I believe scattered was one of the complaints20:40
ttxand then mention it in next week edition20:40
dhellmannflaper87, ttx: that works for me20:40
TravTflaper87: what?20:40
flaper87anteaya: we can have one "official" place and let the rest of the folks share as they want20:40
TravTjust trying to figure out why the gate job failed...20:41
ttxTravT: send email to list saying you got accepted20:41
flaper87TravT: ^20:41
flaper87TravT: where you == SearchLight20:41
flaper87:P20:41
anteayaflaper87: yes, as long as they can track from the "offical" place20:41
TravTi can do that, but also would be pretty happy if it came from any of you. :)20:41
annegentleanteaya: I think regularity is fine to set expectations for "where" in addition to "when"20:41
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jeblairoh, i think there's an oslosphinx problem right now, we may need to reapprove some changes20:41
ttx* Other workgroups20:41
jeblairTravT, ttx: ^20:41
ttxANy other workgroup naturally emerging from chaos while I was looking the other way ?20:42
anteayaannegentle: as you see fit, but I do think discoverablity was an issue20:42
dhellmannjeblair, TravT : I think they decided that was actually a pbr issue and lifeless was working on a new release?20:42
lifelessit was and we are20:42
TravTok.  good.20:42
annegentleanteaya: yeah I do agree20:42
ttxno progress on the scuba team yes ?20:42
ttxyet*20:42
TravTdhellmann also are you who we talk to about pulling the repo in?20:42
TravTwe've been working on splitting it out from glance as-is in the following repo: #link https://github.com/lakshmisampath/searchlight/20:42
lifelessits just hit gate jobs20:42
dhellmannTravT: I can help you get set up for that, but the infra team does the real work20:42
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TravTi'd like to get it back under gerrit...20:43
* ttx blames that guy in the bavarian costume and his damn beer20:43
dhellmannTravT: drop by #openstack-relmgr-office20:43
anteayattx: bavarians have nice hats20:43
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markmcclainttx: not yet.... need to schedule set time with lifeless to start work on it20:44
russellbi'm pretty sure the import process is documented ..20:44
ttxmarkmcclain: ack20:44
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dhellmannrussellb: it is, but I don't mind helping out20:44
ttx#topic Open discussion20:44
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lifelessack yah20:44
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lifelessmea culpa20:44
ttxI pushed an agenda for rotating the chair of the cross-project meeting:20:44
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ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting#Chair_rotation20:44
lifelessI want to get the requirements thing really moving before focusing on arch20:44
russellbTravT: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html20:45
ttxWe'll include volunteer PTLs in the rotation, but wanted to give a chance to TC members to take their slot before20:45
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ttxThis week's meeting will be chaired by Mark, anyone interested in leading next week's ?20:45
lifelesssince reducing debt is what thats all about20:45
ttxjust edit the wiki if you are20:45
TravTrussellb: thanks.20:45
dhellmannlifeless: ++20:45
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ttxhaving a few weeks advance on that rotation would be nice20:45
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annegentleI can't the next two weeks, sorry, guess I could then volunteer for last week of June or something20:46
dhellmannwith all of those people to choose from, we shouldn't have to repeat being chair20:46
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ttxdhellmann: right, I prefer to be ready to sub in case of last-minute issues ,rather than put myself on the rotation again20:47
markmcclainttx: I think that makes sense20:47
ttxannegentle: feel free to insert your name at a later point20:47
annegentleI'm taking June 30th! You can't have it! :)20:47
ttxnot everyone at the same time20:47
dhellmannttx: right20:48
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ttxmordred: The dates on the M naming poll mentioned opening of the poll on Jun 8, so I guess we shouldn't delay that a lot more20:48
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ttxI suspect you might want to finalize that before you board your next plane20:48
mordredyup20:48
mordredworking on it now20:48
mordredthe japanese openstack user group is helping to validate the current list20:48
ttxthe japanese community did a.. pretty nice job vetting the names for us20:49
mordredbecause, you know, it's nice to have friendly help20:49
mordredyah20:49
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dhellmannnice20:49
mordredthey're AMAZING20:49
ttxit's like the first time the locals just take over the process20:49
mordredIve also asked fungi for the email list so I can set up the polls20:49
mordredso as soon as I have that, I'l get the election under way20:49
fungiyep, i'm trying to wrangle those now20:49
ttxAlso, *lots* of great names this time20:49
mordredyah20:50
mordredthe list is pretty amazing20:50
mordredso I am not going to propose any of the non-valid names to the TC for override20:50
mordredeven though there are several good ones in that list too20:50
ttxmordred: +120:50
jeblairhonestly, i'm excited about using condorcet on a list like that20:50
mordredyah20:50
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flaper87jeblair: it kinda makes it worth it :D20:50
mordredalso with an electorate the size of the entire foundation membership20:51
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fungiyou'll definitely need to split it a bunch of times to feed it into civs20:51
ttxmordred: you'll see there is a bit of unfun with more than 1000 voters in CIVS20:51
fungii think they limit batches to 1k addresses20:51
fungiyeah, that20:51
anteayayes20:51
mordredmeh. I can handle it20:52
ttxand then you have to just pray they won't all vote at the same time20:52
mordredso - quick question20:52
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anteayafirst 20 minutes20:52
ttxmordred: you have 8 min20:52
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fungiworst case i'll scrape addresses from the foundation member db via an ugly join query20:52
lifeless"quick"20:53
mordredCIVS has an option for a public poll where you just have a link and you can vote, and it does ip address matching for uniqueness20:53
mordredthis isn't really a poll likely for gaming and wants inclusivity20:53
markmcclainfungi: do I get to vote this time or does CIVS still have archaic domain restrictions?20:53
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mordredperhaps we should just make one of those and post the link to the mailing list/twitters ?20:53
jeblairmordred: that's neat; and it's pretty close to what we used to do.  maybe we should think about it next time (especially if this time is difficult), but stick with emails for this go-around?20:53
edleafewon't ip uniqueness be a problem for people at the same work location?20:53
mordredmarkmcclain: what are your domain problems?20:53
fungimarkmcclain: no clue, honestly. starting to wonder if we should just host a civs instance ourselves20:53
ttxmordred: IP matching makes some corporate blocks unable to vote more than once though20:53
mordrededleafe, ttx: good point20:54
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lifelessuse your phone to vote20:54
markmcclainmordred: CIVS barfed on .xyz domain during the last elections.. need .com, .net, etc20:54
ttxmordred: surveymonkey did IP+Browser cookie, which is slightly better20:54
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mordredmarkmcclain: hah20:54
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fungimordred: civs doesn't believe some tlds created after, like, y2k, really exist20:54
mordredfungi: neither do I20:54
fungihah20:55
russellball those new tlds can get off my lawn20:55
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ttx(as an aside, the "starting point around Nova" came up again in discussions at the OpenStack CEE day. It's like a question people actually have, not something we dreamt up)20:55
mordredk. well, well do emails this time but maybe investigate open polls next time20:55
jeblairmarkmcclain: as long as you can vote with your arpanet address as a backup20:55
russellbttx: ++20:55
markmcclainjeblair: haha20:55
mordredttx: ++20:55
annegentlettx: heh yeup20:55
annegentleyep even20:55
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ttxAnything else, anyone ?20:56
* dhellmann thinks annegentle's texas accent is getting thicker20:56
johnthetubaguywhats is "starting point around Nova" ?20:56
annegentledhellmann: oh noes20:56
* russellb out next week20:56
ttxjohnthetubaguy: a tag describing the minimal set of projects you need to deliver a minimal compute capability20:56
* annegentle says "I am from OHIO and stamps foot."20:56
johnthetubaguyttx: ah, cool, thanks20:57
ttxalso known as the needle in the haystack20:57
* annegentle also out next week20:57
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johnthetubaguytheres probably three correct answers there, but yes20:57
dougwigonly three?20:57
ttxjohnthetubaguy: my guess is that they want an answer. Not necessarily The answer20:57
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* dtroyer thirds out next week20:57
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russellbstarting point, not end point20:57
ttxbut that's discussion for next week20:58
jeblairlast time we talked about this, we narrowed it to two answers, so that's pretty good.20:58
johnthetubaguyttx: seems a fair request, but yeah20:58
anteayalike when you start piano you start with twinkle twinkle little star20:58
russellbmary had a little lamb20:58
ttxal-righty. Let's close this20:58
mordredjeblair: actually, I think sdague and I finally understand we were talking about two different things20:58
mordredso I'm on board with sdague's definition of that now20:58
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jeblairmordred: still sounds like two answers :)20:58
russellbthanks, ttx20:58
anteayarussellb: that works too20:58
ttxThanks for coming!20:59
mordredhe was answering that question - my competing answer is answering a diffrent question20:59
ttxand see you next week obviously20:59
sdagueyeh, I need to massively refresh that document after a bunch of conversations that were had20:59
ttxsdague: you think you can do it for next week meeting ?20:59
* johnthetubaguy needs to go read that...20:59
russellbsdague: thanks for driving the proposal20:59
sdagueyes, I think so20:59
mordredmy competing answer is "as a production end user, what is the minimal thing that's useful to run compute workloads"20:59
ttxcool.20:59
mordredsdague is answering the question from CEE day20:59
mordred"what is the smallest set of things I can deploy so i can start poking with this thing"20:59
ttxthis compute thing, but yeah21:00
mordredyah21:00
ttx#endmeeting21:00
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jeblairmordred, sdague: sounds like good evolution21:00
markmcclaincourtesy ping PTLs: adrian_otto boris-42 bswartz david-lyle devananda dims dtroyer emilienm flaper87 gordc hyakuhei isviridov21:00
mordredjeblair: ++21:00
markmcclaincourtesy ping PTLs: j^2 jeblair johnthetubaguy kiall loquacities mestery morganfainberg mtreinish nikhil_k notmyname rakhmerov21:00
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boris-42markmcclain: hi there21:00
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markmcclain#startmeeting crossproject21:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun  9 21:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
jeblairmarkmcclain: infra announcement bit set21:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'crossproject'21:01
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j^2hey hey everyone21:01
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markmcclainOk... so it's my turn in the chair this week21:01
ttxyay21:01
markmcclain#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting21:01
dhellmannthanks, markmcclain !21:01
thingeeo/21:01
lifelessruh roh21:01
elmiko\o/21:01
* ttx likes to relax on the back chair and heckle21:01
fungiway to throw yourself on this grenade21:01
bknudsonI hope it's a comfy chair21:01
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bknudsonnot like the iron throne21:01
* fungi stabs ttx with the fluffy pillow21:02
markmcclainbknudson: yeah.. seems to be formed fitted for ttx21:02
stevebaker\o21:02
ttxthe desk in my siute is actually nicer than the one I have at home21:02
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lifelessfungi: tad rough :/21:02
jeblairthis meeting is violent21:02
markmcclain#topic Horizontal Team Announcements21:02
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ttxHi! On the release management front...21:02
ttxI wanted to point you all to the new release status tracking page at:21:02
ttx#link http://status.openstack.org/release/21:02
ttxAs discussed previously this is now primarily showing what already landed in the development cycle (rather than the prediction of what might land in the next milestone(s))21:03
mesteryttx: that is one fancy status page21:03
jokke_o/21:03
bknudson26 degrees21:03
fungiliberty!21:03
markmcclainttx: cool21:03
ttx#info To make things appear (or disappear) from the "tracked work" section, you can use the "series goal" field in Launchpad blueprints (no need to use milestones)21:03
fungi(for all)21:03
bknudsonor mph?21:03
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ttxBut that is totally opt-in. You can use that top track main cycle objectives, all your work, or nothing.21:03
ttx-p21:03
ttxDepends on what you want to communicate on that page21:03
ttxI don't care as much anymore21:03
morganfainbergoh neato21:03
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ttxso in summary, you want it on te list you add it to series goal (which is a drivers-controlled thing)21:04
j^2ttx: how often is it refreshed?21:04
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ttxyou don't want it on the list well... you remove the series goal21:04
ttxI think it's every 30 min21:04
j^2nice21:04
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jeblairon the infra side...21:05
jeblairwe have scheduled our next set of project renames for this friday.  the list of projects currently scheduled is in the email.  if yours isn't listed, write a rename change and add it to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting21:05
jeblair#link Gerrit downtime on Friday 2015-06-12 at 22:00 UTC http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066366.html21:05
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markmcclainjeblair: thanks for the reminder21:05
ttx*/2021:05
ttxj^2: every 20 min21:05
j^2ttx: awesome thanks for the check21:06
markmcclainAny other horizontal team updates?21:06
ttxhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-releasestatus/tree/manifests/site.pp#n4021:06
dhellmannI should also make sure everyone saw the thread I started on bringing library releases back under the release management team21:06
dhellmann#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066346.html21:06
elmikothe api-wg has 4 guidelines up for review currently that are in freeze, they have been posted to the ML, shall i link again here?21:06
jokke_ttx: that looks nice ... can we get the same to track what's going on on stables? ;)21:06
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markmcclainelmiko: can you link the email?21:06
jeblairdhellmann: when it gets closer to automation time for that, you may want to pull the infra team into those discussions21:06
ttxjokke_: nothing goes on on stable (at least nothing should, those are blueprints / features)21:06
elmikosec, let me dig those up21:06
dhellmannjeblair: definitely21:06
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fungioh, also release tag merge changes... https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:merge/release-tag,n,z once we get the gate passing jobs in general again, please approve those. the commit messages should make sense now21:07
jokke_ttx: ok, let me rewrite that ... can we get interactive releasenotes like that tracking fixed bugs in stables? ;)21:07
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:merge/release-tag,n,z21:07
jeblairdhellmann: we may want a blueprint if we do significant automation; but also sdague is tentatively planning on investigating adding tag reviewing in gerrit later this summer21:07
elmiko#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065923.html21:07
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sdaguejeblair: no, I'm adding a different thing21:07
markmcclainelmiko: thanks21:07
elmiko#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/066378.html21:07
elmikomarkmcclain: np21:08
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jeblairsdague: oh, i thought you were looking into reviewing tags21:08
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sdagueno, I'm looking at letting users tag reviews21:08
dhellmannjeblair: ok, I was going to do something simple with a bot responding to instructions in text files. I'll write something up21:08
sdagueand that being searchable21:08
jeblairsdague: you may want to consider alternate words.  i suggest 'project'.  ;)21:08
markmcclainsdague: cool21:08
markmcclainjeblair: haha21:09
* dhellmann notes the confusion about 2 more ways tags are used21:09
sdaguejeblair: or policy21:09
jeblairdhellmann: apparently i was wrong, unless i am able to trick sdague into thinking he meant the other thing21:09
sdague"user metadata"21:09
fungicatalog. nobody's using that one yet21:09
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dhellmannjeblair: I support your efforts21:09
lifelessTravT: pbr is fixed21:10
ttxjokke_: well you can definitely take the code and run with it21:10
ttxalthough it's quite a ugly hack21:10
lifelessTravT: [once tag jobs do their thing]21:10
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markmcclainok.. looks like we got the horizontal team updates... moving on21:11
markmcclain#topic Add requirements management specification (lifeless)21:11
TravTlifeless: thanks!21:11
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markmcclain#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186635/21:11
markmcclainlifeless: want to start?21:11
lifelessmarkmcclain: +1 it all, thanks!21:11
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lifelessmarkmcclain: more seriously, I think this has been discussed to consensus no? On the list and at the summit : are there any concerns folk here have that haven't been addressed ?21:12
dhellmannI haven't had a chance to read the write-up, but don't expect any surprises21:12
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markmcclainlifeless: I believe so, but the review traffic was low on it, so wanted to raise profile21:13
lifelessmorganfainberg: O M G21:13
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ttxlifeless: we need to give it some air on the crossproject meeting before we can close it in a TC meeting21:13
lifelessmarkmcclain: thanks! So, I owe an update for some trivia, which I'll do today.21:13
ttxit usually triggers a surge in reviews, too21:13
lifelessbut there was nothing contentious in it - the stuff is tweaks not semantic changes21:13
* dhellmann notes his procrastination has paid off, and he'll get to read an updated draft tomorrow21:13
lifelessso - please look at this now :)21:14
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lifelessdhellmann: ^ thats for you :)21:14
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ttxlifeless: if no serious objection appeas by end of week I'll put it on next TC agenda21:14
ttxfor final approval21:14
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dhellmannlifeless: early tomorrow, ~16 hrs21:14
markmcclainttx: cool21:14
lifelessdhellmann: its all good; teasing :021:14
markmcclainmoving on...21:15
markmcclain#topic Enabling Python 3 for Application Integration Tests Spec21:15
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markmcclain#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177375/21:15
markmcclaindhellmann is the author21:15
dhellmannI updated that based on some early feedback today, and added a link to the devstack change to enable it21:15
markmcclaindhellmann: thanks for updating it21:16
dhellmannif there's general consensus, I'll go ahead and submit a job template definition as an example21:16
markmcclainlike the last one seems have have gotten low review traffic21:16
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sdagueso, should we be taking these out to mailing list conversations instead of just in meetings?21:17
markmcclainsdague: ideally yes, but this also seems to fit some previously discussed approaches to py3 transition21:18
sdagueto try to get that additional traffic21:18
dhellmannthat's a good question, but we do have a spec so the point is to get people to discuss it there, no?21:18
sdagueright, but not everyone is watching every spec21:18
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dhellmannfor this one I just need the PTLs to not act surprised when it lands and then I'll be working with qa and infra to implement it21:18
sdagueif the concern is review traffic, an ML thread helps with that21:19
johnthetubaguya thread to highlight the spec can be useful though21:19
johnthetubaguysdague: +121:19
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jokke_Do we have enough resources to run those 3.4 non-voting jobs for extended times?21:19
lifelessspeaking of python versions21:19
johnthetubaguydhellmann: FWIW we already merged this for nova: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/liberty/approved/adding-python34-support-to-nova.html21:19
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lifelessI am confused about 2.6. Have we EOL'd our support or not ?21:19
dhellmannok. We can do that. The point of this meeting is to have the PTLs talking about this sort of thing, though. Do you all read all of the ML? What topic heading should I use to get your attention?21:20
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bknudsonlibraries like python-keystoneclient still support 2.621:20
dhellmannjohnthetubaguy: ok. Would have been nice to collaborate a bit more on that, but it doesn't look like you're going off in an unexpected direction.21:20
sdagueI skim all of the mailing list, topic headers are irrelevant to me. but [all] is probably appropriate21:20
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jokke_dhellmann: [py3] and bit of advertisement?21:21
fungijokke_: the 3.4 jobs run on the same type of workers as 2.7 jobs, so at least we don't provision special workers specifically for those any longer... they just draw from the same pool21:21
lifelessbknudson: why do they?21:21
dhellmannjokke_: no one filtering the ML will see that21:21
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jokke_fungi: cool21:21
johnthetubaguydhellmann: its the same direction I think, its more some folks stepped up to do it, and we didn't want to block them, once it sounded like a sensible proposal21:21
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dhellmannjohnthetubaguy: yep, I just don't want a bunch of teams reinventing 90% of the same thing21:22
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jokke_dhellmann: thus the advertisement ... I think there would be room for lots of knowledge share between projects around py321:22
fungilifeless: the original concern was that while we still had stable branches of servers where 2.6 was supported, any libraries they depended on for running/testing needed to continue to support 2.621:22
johnthetubaguydhellmann: agreed, I don't think they have got that far yet21:22
fungilifeless: that's a bit murkier since we recently added stable branches to all the libs21:22
dhellmannjohnthetubaguy: ok, good21:22
fungilifeless: i think it's just not been revisited since the lib stable branch addition21:23
lifelessfungi: when do those servers EOL; the upper-constraints stuff has no validation for 2.6 and thats not easy to do either21:23
lifelesssince we'd need a 2.6 on the periodic node21:23
fungiwhat was the last release where we claimed 2.6 support? icehouse or juno?21:23
sdaguejuno21:23
bknudsonI think we'll need a 2.0 of python-keystoneclient and drop 2.6 and other stuff.21:24
morganfainbergbknudson: ++21:24
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fungiokay, so in theory we need to at least keep 2.6-supporting infrastructure around until juno eol21:24
sdagueI don't know what the juno eol plan is, stable maint teams should speak up there21:24
lifelessdo we test python-keystoneclient master against juno ?21:24
lifelessif we're not doing that, I don't see why 2.6 testing matters :)21:24
sdaguelifeless: we used to21:24
morganfainberglifeless: i'd need to go check to see hwat we are doing now21:24
morganfainbergthe field has changed a bunch21:25
sdaguea lot of things fell apart during the pinning21:25
lifelesssdague: yeah, I know - and I think its good to do so. But are we :)21:25
jokke_didn't we discuss 12 or 9 months for juno stable?21:25
dhellmannsdague, johnthetubaguy : here's the existing ML thread on this subject, to which no one replied:21:25
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dhellmann#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/065203.html21:25
fungii'm hoping all the relevant libs have stable/juno branches now and we can consider limiting 2.6 support to those21:25
lifelesssdague: I'd like to bring that back in FWIW21:25
lifelesssdague: but one thing at a time.21:25
ttxcurrently set at 12 months21:25
ttxi.e. asap after liberty release21:25
ttx(down from the original promise of 15)21:26
johnthetubaguydhellmann: turns out I remember that thread, thats how I discovered the python3.4 spec, it was a little bit after we merged that nova spec, and we made sure we were not out of whack, if that helps21:27
dhellmannjohnthetubaguy: great!21:27
markmcclaindhellmann: thanks21:27
johnthetubaguydhellmann: totally forgot that till just now though, and re-read an old friend, heh21:27
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markmcclainok.. hopefully folks will chime on the review so that we can move forward21:28
bknudsonprogress on PyMySQL?21:28
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/18449321:29
fungithat's in need of reviews/merging i believe to switch the devstack default21:29
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fungithough it does appear to work fine21:29
sdaguefungi: didn't you say you'd do a final alert ML thread on that one?21:30
bknudsoncool21:30
sdagueso that no one was surprised by it21:30
fungisdague: oh! right, i'll do that now. too many things21:30
sdagueyep, no worries21:30
fungialso lots of proposed changes in various states21:30
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:pymysql-switch,n,z21:30
markmcclain#action fungi to alert on pending PyMySQL change21:30
sdagueI'll merge it once that email has been out for a day and no one freaks out21:30
fungisdague: sounds great, thanks21:30
markmcclainsounds good21:31
markmcclain#topic Vertical Team Announcements21:31
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markmcclainAny vertical teams have any items of interest to everyone?21:31
ttxdon't forget to use #info so that it sticks on the minutes21:32
markmcclainttx: thanks for the reminder.. forgot that in my notes21:32
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markmcclain#topic Next Week's Chair21:33
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markmcclainso this meeting has moved to a rotating chair21:33
markmcclainthe cool thing is that it is not limited to ttx or other members of the TC21:33
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markmcclainany PTL can sign up to chair the meeting21:33
markmcclain#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting21:34
dhellmannif everyone signs up once, no one should have to sign up twice21:34
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ttxit's fnu! really!21:34
lifelessquick add more projects21:34
ttxexcept the 11pm part21:34
lifelessif we add them fast enough21:34
markmcclaindhellmann: yes that would nice... anyone can feel free to remove my name from future dates :)21:34
lifelessnoone ever repeats21:34
markmcclain#topic Open Discussion21:35
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nikhil_kI don't mind signing up. Will double check schedule and do so.21:35
dhellmannnikhil_k: thanks!21:35
markmcclainnikhil_k: thanks21:35
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ttxnikhil_k: awesome thx21:35
* ttx should make a chair guide21:35
markmcclainttx: good idea21:35
ttxwith the whole "pick openstack-specs" thing21:35
markmcclainyeah.. tricky which ones to discuss.. there are some with several -1s that don't feel mature and then there are others that need attention before they can be approved even if folks agree21:37
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markmcclainI think we've cover everything for today, so we'll end a bit early.21:38
markmcclainThanks to everyone for dropping in.21:38
markmcclain#endmeeting21:38
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elmikothanks markmcclain21:38
ttxthanks markmcclain21:38
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markmcclainelmiko, ttx: happy to help out21:39
jokke_thanks21:39
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pshigethanks21:39
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