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| sc68cal | Everyone ready for the IPv6 subteam? | 13:58 |
| aveiga | o/ | 13:59 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 13:59:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 13:59 |
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| sc68cal | #info last week was the merge window for I-3 | 14:00 |
| xuhanp | hello | 14:00 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: hello | 14:00 |
| baoli | Hi | 14:01 |
| sc68cal | There is a process for getting features into Icehouse, after the merge window has closed | 14:01 |
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| xuhanp | did we miss the chance to merge already? | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | xuhanp: Yes - but but we can lobby for a feature freeze exception | 14:02 |
| sc68cal | my concern though is that we're still undergoing code reviews | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | and we don't have anything in tempest to test everything we've written | 14:03 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, I saw L3 HA making the request. I guess we should do the same? | 14:03 |
| sc68cal | I think they're getting merged as an experimental feature | 14:03 |
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| sc68cal | not sure if we can have the same leeway | 14:04 |
| absubram__ | hi | 14:04 |
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| sc68cal | So - I guess we can think on it for a bit while we go through the regular agenda | 14:06 |
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| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 14:06 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/IPv6 Ipv6 blueprint list | 14:07 |
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| sc68cal | Do we have any new blueprints to discuss? | 14:07 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, I added the prefix delegation BP | 14:08 |
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| xuhanp | baoli, did you add just now? I didn't see that yet. | 14:08 |
| sc68cal | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ipv6-prefix-delegation PD blueprint | 14:08 |
| baoli | a few days agao | 14:09 |
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| baoli | s/agao/ago | 14:09 |
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| xuhanp | guess we need to add it to the wiki, then :-) | 14:09 |
| sc68cal | I think it shows up in the search | 14:10 |
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| sc68cal | for the first link in the wiki that searches for bps w/ ipv6 in them | 14:10 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, yes | 14:10 |
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| baoli | Do you want me to add it as a separate link? | 14:10 |
| baoli | in the wiki? | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | I think it's OK for now | 14:12 |
| baoli | sc68cal, ok. | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | we may make a new wiki page under ipv6 for it so we can hash it out | 14:12 |
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| sc68cal | once we start figuring out how to implement it | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | My initial thought is that it'll be an API extension | 14:13 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, shall we try to propose some summit sessions for the blueprints? | 14:13 |
| xuhanp | I heard that's open now. | 14:13 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: yes that would be good | 14:14 |
| sc68cal | worst case they may get merged with http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/21 | 14:14 |
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| xuhanp | we don't need to wait for that to start the design and discussion, for sure | 14:14 |
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| sc68cal | agreed | 14:15 |
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| sc68cal | Do we have any other BPs to discuss?? | 14:15 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, I'll propose a ipv6 PD session | 14:16 |
| sc68cal | baoli: perfect | 14:16 |
| xuhanp | I haven't think about the details of the security group BP, yet. | 14:16 |
| xuhanp | I can propose one for security group | 14:17 |
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| xuhanp | several improvements to make | 14:17 |
| baoli | cool | 14:17 |
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| xuhanp | do we need a BP for privacy extension? | 14:18 |
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| aveiga | xuhanp: I'm not sure we can | 14:18 |
| sc68cal | I think in the past we chose not to | 14:19 |
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| aveiga | how can you predict the PE address? | 14:19 |
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| aveiga | also, they rotate | 14:19 |
| aveiga | I don't think that's feasible | 14:19 |
| sc68cal | Anything else? or we'll continue on to bugs | 14:21 |
| absubram__ | Hi Sean.. any update on the existing review for - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52983/ The two new IPv6 attributes?. I see that it is marked as a WIP.. | 14:21 |
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| absubram__ | is it still going to make it into I? | 14:21 |
| sc68cal | we'll discuss that in a bit | 14:22 |
| absubram__ | ok thanks! | 14:22 |
| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 14:22 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv6 Bugs tagged ipv6 | 14:23 |
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| sc68cal | If you have any existing bugs that do not have the ipv6 tag, please add it for tracking purposes | 14:23 |
| sc68cal | but I think we've got the majority tagged | 14:24 |
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| shshang | Do we need to mention them in our code review? | 14:24 |
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| sc68cal | if your code review fixes them, and does not implement a blueprint | 14:25 |
| sc68cal | Anything else, or we can move on to the code review topic | 14:26 |
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| xuhanp | For your information, I created a new bug to fire RA rule when router is created or updated. As the follow up action from last time. | 14:26 |
| xuhanp | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1290252 | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | excellent | 14:27 |
| xuhanp | will try to submit a patch soon | 14:27 |
| sc68cal | #topic code review | 14:28 |
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| baoli | xuhanp, I saw your latest update on the RA rule bug. It looks better | 14:28 |
| sc68cal | absubram__: We're still working on reviewer comments on the ipv6 two attribute reviews | 14:28 |
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| xuhanp | baoli, thanks. I think I followed our discussion. Please let me know if you still have comments. | 14:28 |
| baoli | One general question. If a gateway with LLA is provided in the subnet, shall we allow the subnet to be added to a router? | 14:29 |
| sc68cal | aveiga: Refresh my memory, we said that the enable_dhcp flag is meant to govern if the v6 attributes can be set or now? | 14:29 |
| sc68cal | *or not? | 14:29 |
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| aveiga | well, we didn't specify that | 14:29 |
| absubram__ | sc68cal: ok.. I've been asked if the Horizon BP should be moved out to J | 14:29 |
| aveiga | just that is enable_dhcp was false we'd ignore flags | 14:29 |
| aveiga | s/is/if | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | aveiga: OK - because a recent comment from salvatore was about that | 14:30 |
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| aveiga | I don't know if we should force them to not be set at all, or just ignore them | 14:30 |
| aveiga | that one is tricky | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52983/34/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py | 14:30 |
| sc68cal | line 863 | 14:31 |
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| xuhanp | aveiga, I think we should prompt error message since it confuses user. | 14:31 |
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| aveiga | xuhanp: I'm tempted to agree with you. But what about cases when the v6 attrs are set, then someone later sets enable_dhcp to false? | 14:32 |
| sc68cal | I actually have a unit test for that | 14:32 |
| sc68cal | and the validation blocks the update | 14:32 |
| aveiga | in that case... | 14:32 |
| aveiga | sure, throw a warning | 14:33 |
| sc68cal | it actually throws an error currently | 14:33 |
| sc68cal | if you want to switch enable_dhcp to false, you need to clear the v6 attributes | 14:33 |
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| xuhanp | still prefer an error to force user to update the IPv6 attributes first before setting dhcp to false. | 14:33 |
| absubram__ | sorry.. I didn't follow.. so the new IPv6 attributes can now be set only if enable_dhcp is set? | 14:33 |
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| aveiga | absubram__: this was always the case | 14:34 |
| absubram__ | I see | 14:34 |
| aveiga | the cores wanted the old enable_dhcp flag to still be there and be an override | 14:34 |
| aveiga | for backwards compat | 14:34 |
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| shshang | so we have to zero out all ipv6 attribute if user set "enable_dhcp" to False?? | 14:35 |
| xuhanp | shshang, I think this was agreed when we started the two attributed design :-) | 14:36 |
| shshang | yes...I vaguely remember that discussion....I am not sure what value we expect user to unset the IPv6 attributes to.... | 14:36 |
| shshang | You know what I mean? | 14:36 |
| xuhanp | I guess just need to set to nothing | 14:37 |
| aveiga | shshang: they would go back to being off | 14:37 |
| aveiga | if I remember correctly, "off" was really unset | 14:37 |
| shshang | Yup...I remember we discusssed "off" mode too... | 14:37 |
| xuhanp | aveiga, yep | 14:37 |
| absubram__ | ok.. will this check be done in neutron? Will you need me to add the check in Horizon too? By default I see that we set enable_dhcp in Horizon | 14:37 |
| aveiga | absubram__: neutron will do this. Horizon should just read the current attr for a network | 14:38 |
| shshang | I would like to point out one thing....we don't have "off" mode defined in the constant file. | 14:39 |
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| sc68cal | yes - because we keep confusing "off" with ATTR_NOT_SPECIFIED | 14:40 |
| shshang | And in my opinion, we should have one, and it should be treated differently with NONE | 14:40 |
| aveiga | shshang: why? It's not actually different | 14:40 |
| shshang | for coding efficiency and testing efficieny | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | actually it makes the code more complex | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | now I have to check for ATTR_NOT_SPECIFIED, as well as the string value "off" | 14:41 |
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| sc68cal | I had to spend a couple hours on the validation for enable_dhcp and the attributes | 14:42 |
| shshang | Current way to validate the input cannot differentiate between off mode and invalid mode | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | especially with updating a subnet - the logic got a bit messy | 14:42 |
| shshang | what if user type in bogus value, such as "active"? | 14:42 |
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| sc68cal | shshang: that would get denied at the API layer | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | it's not a valid value from the constants | 14:42 |
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| shshang | off mode, invalid mode, and nothing specified. | 14:43 |
| sc68cal | the validation of the correct modes, along with the enable_dhcp setting is at the DB layer, once all the attributes have been validated as proper | 14:43 |
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| absubram__ | sc68cal: Additionally, I got my question about the update subnet answered in the mailer thanks.. but looks like there is an inherent issue in Horizon with subnet update that needs to be fixed first.. so Horizon doesn't support update just yet | 14:44 |
| sc68cal | absubram__: OK - that's fine | 14:44 |
| shshang | sc68cal, let us discuss this constant offline. | 14:45 |
| sc68cal | shshang: agreed. | 14:45 |
| sc68cal | we can take it to the ML | 14:45 |
| shshang | sure | 14:45 |
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| shshang | I also had a code review question needing your help. :) | 14:46 |
| baoli | A couple of questions related to this review | 14:46 |
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| absubram__ | yes please.. please let me know if the values for the attributes change.. I had the same confusion with the "off" | 14:47 |
| baoli | in the port-create, the user can specify extra dhcp options | 14:47 |
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| shshang | absubram__, we will keep everybody updated | 14:47 |
| baoli | Would that be blocked if it won't be used at all? | 14:47 |
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| baoli | also in the subnet-create api, user can specify dns nameserver | 14:49 |
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| xuhanp | baoli, do you mean the --extra-dhcp-opt option for port create? | 14:50 |
| baoli | xuhanp, yes | 14:50 |
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| xuhanp | I think it get passed to dnsmasq, but I am not sure about the validation | 14:52 |
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| xuhanp | I think the extra-dhcp-opt extension itself has some validation, right? | 14:52 |
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| shshang | Will --extra-dhcp-opt value be saved to dnsmasq opt files? | 14:53 |
| baoli | It looks like that dnsmasq opts file is generated based on that | 14:53 |
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| sc68cal | There are unit tests that check all that | 14:53 |
| sc68cal | Provided shshang's patch passes all unit tests | 14:53 |
| sc68cal | we are not breaking that | 14:53 |
| xuhanp | shshang, I think it does for IPv4. not if you processed them for IPv6 in your patch. | 14:54 |
| shshang | I did...the dnsmasq also load the opt file for IPv6 subnet | 14:54 |
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| baoli | It appears with the ipv6 patch, whether or not the opt file should be added in the command line is based on the two modes? | 14:56 |
| shshang | baoli, that is correct | 14:57 |
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| shshang | the ipv6 subnet process that opt file, so as long as the values are dumped to opt file, ipv6 subnet should be aware of it. | 14:57 |
| xuhanp | dns-server is also passed to opt file. | 14:57 |
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| shshang | but whether the opt is loaded to dnsmasq is determined by the modes combo | 14:58 |
| xuhanp | I think baoli means we should throw error when opt file is not needed? | 14:58 |
| xuhanp | I mean when extra dhcp opt is specified. | 14:58 |
| xuhanp | and opt file is not needed | 14:58 |
| shshang | oh, when user specify the extra dhcp opt, but actually opt file is not needed? | 14:59 |
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| shshang | that is a good point... | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | looks like we're going to have to move this to the ML | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | we're out of time | 14:59 |
| baoli | xuhanp, shshang, the user should be aware in some cases that those info are not needed. | 14:59 |
| shshang | yes | 14:59 |
| shshang | agree | 14:59 |
| xuhanp | +1 | 14:59 |
| shshang | send email to ML and let us continue | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | See everyone next week | 14:59 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 14:59:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| xuhanp | see you | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-03-11-13.59.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-03-11-13.59.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-03-11-13.59.log.html | 14:59 |
| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 15:00:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
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| bauzas | hi | 15:01 |
| lcostantino | hi | 15:01 |
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| PaulMurray | hi n0ano | 15:01 |
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| n0ano | I don't really have that much this week, we'll see what we come up with | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | boris-42, are you here? | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | looks like not much to say about the no-db scheduler this week | 15:03 |
| bauzas | +1 | 15:03 |
| n0ano | #topic code forklift | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | I admit I haven't made much progress, I'm still working on splitting out the code (more as research) but not much progress this week | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | is johnthetubaguy here ? | 15:04 |
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| * johnthetubaguy kinda half here | 15:04 | |
| bauzas | great | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | there are 2 bps for forklifting | 15:05 |
| bauzas | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/remove-cast-to-schedule-run-instance | 15:05 |
| bauzas | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-lib | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah yes | 15:05 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I made some comments within the 2nd bp, if you have some time to take a look, would be great | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I thought I commented on those, sorry missed the new ones! | 15:06 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: nah, no pb ;) | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: want to chat about that now? | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: if you have some time, yes :) | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: as said, resource tracker is using _update() method for sending a call to the conductor | 15:07 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas: resource_tracker is being updated to use objects | 15:08 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas: makes a different conductor call | 15:08 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: could you please put it as dep for this bp ? | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | bauzas: sorry, lost connection there, but back | 15:08 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy1: no pbn | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: could you please give us the bp link for use of objects within the resource tracker ? | 15:09 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: so I could put it as dependency for this one | 15:09 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas - just a sec... | 15:10 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: sure | 15:10 |
| PaulMurray | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/make-resource-tracker-use-objects | 15:10 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: is it FFE ? | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: ok, adding as dep for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-lib | 15:10 |
| PaulMurray | dauzas: didn't make it, but its part of a global move in nova | 15:10 |
| PaulMurray | see also : | 15:11 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: ok, will take a look on it | 15:11 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: I'm planning to provide some draft by end of Icehouse | 15:11 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: so people could review it | 15:11 |
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| PaulMurray | ... was trying to find the main obects bp | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy1 | bauzas: should be bug fixing time though, might be worth waiting till Juno | 15:12 |
| PaulMurray | forgot what its called - something like nova-objects | 15:12 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy1: could you please add https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/make-resource-tracker-use-objects as dependency for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-lib ? | 15:13 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy1, +1 (probably not much activity on antyhing but bugs for a while) | 15:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy1: yey, I truly understand | 15:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy1: but as newcomer in Nova, taking FF as opportunity for me | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy1 | bauzas: lots of bugs too ;) | 15:13 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy1, odd, I though nova code was perfect :-) | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | bauzas: updated that for you as a dep, although not totally sure if it is | 15:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy1: ok thanks, will see if it is, yes | 15:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy1: the thing is, if we say that resouce_tracker should use Gantt as lib for updating resource info, it should be dependent IMHO | 15:15 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy1: unless I misunderstood :) | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy1 | bauzas: objects or db are not the nova side of the lib, so not too worried | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy1 | bauzas: key part is finding the good api, which may be what the objects work comes up with too | 15:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy1: here why I need to perfectly understand your thoughts :) | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy1 | bauzas: not sure understanding my thoughts always helps, buy hey | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy1 | but^ | 15:20 |
| digambar | Hi, as I understand here anybody is working on above blueprint or we have planned Gantt after the IceHouse ?? | 15:20 |
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| bauzas | digambar: this is the key thing | 15:20 |
| digambar | okay | 15:20 |
| bauzas | digambar: I'm planning to work on the said bp by end of Icehouse, but will only be a draft anyway | 15:20 |
| digambar | okk | 15:21 |
| bauzas | digambar: merges won't happen until Juno, as it's FF | 15:21 |
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| digambar | okk | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: let's discuss btw about Gantt proposal for GSoC during #open topic | 15:21 |
| n0ano | note that changes to nova code can happen whenever the tree opens, splitting out to gantt will take a little longer | 15:21 |
| digambar | Is there anything I can contribute here ? | 15:21 |
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| n0ano | digambar, working on the BPs that we've mentioned here is always welcome | 15:22 |
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| digambar | cool | 15:22 |
| digambar | The above blueprint right ? | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | digambar: atm, we're discussing about the interfaces for the above BP, that's it :) | 15:23 |
| digambar | okk | 15:23 |
| bauzas | digambar: please take a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler | 15:23 |
| digambar | Thanks :) | 15:24 |
| bauzas | bottom of the document | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | I think I'm done with my part | 15:24 |
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| n0ano | let's move on then | 15:24 |
| n0ano | #topic icehouse BPs | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | Does anyone have any BPs targetted for Icehouse that we need to lobby effort for? | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | looks like no, moving on | 15:26 |
| n0ano | #opens | 15:26 |
| n0ano | bauzas, GSoC? | 15:26 |
| bauzas | yup | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | I sent an email to -dev@ | 15:26 |
| bauzas | about GSoC proposals for Gantt | 15:26 |
| n0ano | I thought your email layed it out well, anything to add? | 15:26 |
| bauzas | I had no reply :) | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | so assuming it's either garbage or pure gold :) | 15:27 |
| bauzas | lemme check the GSoC page | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | to see if Gantt is still proposed | 15:27 |
| n0ano | I always assume silence mean people agree with me :-) | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: sounds like it's not the case :) | 15:28 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-external-scheduler | 15:28 |
| bauzas | oops | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | bad link | 15:28 |
| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GSoC2014#Common_Scheduler_.28Gantt.29 | 15:28 |
| n0ano | I don't know who's in charge of the GSoC but you might want to find out who that is and send a specific message to him | 15:29 |
| bauzas | ddutta: you there ? | 15:29 |
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| n0ano | looks like it'll have to be via email | 15:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: you're right, will directly send an email to the mentor | 15:30 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I'm done | 15:31 |
| n0ano | yeah, it's a wiki so it's easy enough to just delete that proposal but I'd clear via email first. | 15:31 |
| bauzas | that's wise indeed :) | 15:31 |
| n0ano | OK, any other opens for today? | 15:31 |
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| n0ano | hearing silence, tnx everyone and we'll talk again next week. | 15:32 |
| bauzas | thanks :) | 15:32 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 15:33:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-03-11-15.00.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-03-11-15.00.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-03-11-15.00.log.html | 15:33 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 16:00:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | Hi all | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: morning ;) | 16:00 |
| luis_fdez | hi | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: luis! | 16:01 |
| ociuhandu | morning primeministerp :) | 16:01 |
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| ociuhandu | hi all | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: glad you could join us | 16:01 |
| luis_fdez | It's been a long time since last meeting yeps | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: give alex a kick | 16:01 |
| alexpilotti | hi there | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: howdy | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | sorry, was having a chat in -horizon about passwords | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | no worries | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | we all have a lot going on | 16:02 |
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| primeministerp | figured we could sync on current status | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | sure | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | #topic status update | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | ok | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: I know there were new commits | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | so, everything looks bright | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: you want to give the quick run down? | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | RDP merged in nova, python-novaclient and horizon | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | that's a big one | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | hyper-v security groups merged in neutron | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | also good news, we've got people wanting that | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | nova get-password feature merged in horizon (thanks arezmerita) | 16:05 |
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| alexpilotti | bug fixes are merged or in teh process | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | so things are looking well | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | awesome | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | questions on the status? | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | we can almost start thinking about atlanta | 16:07 |
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| alexpilotti | luis_fdez? :-) | 16:07 |
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| luis_fdez | no questions alexpilotti, all the new features sound fantastic | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i've got a thread going w/ Tim | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: re: cinder/smb3 | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | cool, I know that you guys are interested in backporting to Havana, let me know if you need help | 16:08 |
| luis_fdez | ok alexpilotti, I'll use your help for sure :D | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: should we briefly talk about what we plan to add for Juno? | 16:08 |
| luis_fdez | primeministerp: smb3 is an option we want to explore yes | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | yes we can start | 16:08 |
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| primeministerp | #topic juno ideas | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | cool | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | so | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | the idea is to have others in the community to chime in as well, if they'd like some features that we didn't think of, or we didn't want to prioritize yet | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | 1) smb3 | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | smb3/cinder work is on the table | 16:09 |
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| alexpilotti | development is basically done | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | it's a big set of patches | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | involving mostly nova and cinder | 16:10 |
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| alexpilotti | the important part, is that it'll involve libvirt support as well, not only hyper-v | 16:10 |
| luis_fdez | smb3 suport on kvm? | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: yes we should not exclude linux functionality here | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: yes | 16:10 |
| luis_fdez | that's a good point | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: the idea is that this is going to be a cinder driver | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: both sides can consume it | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | and as such it'll need to be consumed by as many hypervisors as possible | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | think about an horizontal support, like what happens for ceph | 16:11 |
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| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: we can start beta testing it almost right away | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | it'll take at least one release cycle to get all the parts reviewed etc | 16:12 |
| luis_fdez | alexpilotti: perfect, I imagine a lot of refactoring/review involved | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 16:13 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: plus we'll want to include it in the regular CI runs by then as well | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: all thing equal | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | if you guys want to run some tests, it'd be great. As we could provide the community with a third party point of view on the benefits | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | er things | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: sure! | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | any questions on the SMB3 part? | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | not really | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | from my end | 16:14 |
| luis_fdez | nop :) | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | ok, next is windows passwordless authentication | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | we did a lot of work to get x509 passwordless certification working in cloudbase-init and pywinrm | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | it's the rough equivalent of ssh keypairs | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | but native in the WIndows OS | 16:16 |
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| alexpilotti | we're going to propose a BP for certificates | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | in Nova | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | and Horizon | 16:16 |
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| alexpilotti | so teh use can choose a certificate and it gets provided via metadata to the instance | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | *the user | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | like: | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | nova boot --x509 myvert1 vm1 | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | *mycert1 | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | and the you can just use powershell to access the VM | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | no password involved, finally | 16:18 |
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| alexpilotti | this is mandatory for proper automation, security, etc | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: that's great news | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | same use cases as the SSH pubkey auth in Linux | 16:19 |
| luis_fdez | alexpilotti: yeps, it's a must have | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | it's already working, by passwing the certificate in userdata or cutome metadata: #link http://www.cloudbase.it/windows-without-passwords-in-openstack/ | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | but we really need a consistent API model in Nova to handle teh certificate generation and storage | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | ok | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | isn't ayoung working on that | 16:21 |
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| ayoung | primeministerp, sort of | 16:21 |
| ayoung | cermonger | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | ayoung: ahh | 16:21 |
| ayoung | certmonger | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: hi there! | 16:22 |
| ayoung | alexpilotti, ++ I was discussing something along those lines earlier | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | ayoung: we need to have lunch soon | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: cool | 16:22 |
| ayoung | how do we autoregister a host with a domain controller. I assume that is what you are discussing? | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: no, passwordless authentication in WIndows | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | ayoung: that would be part of your config mgmt right now | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: a la SSH pubkey | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | ayoung: what alexpilotti says | 16:22 |
| ayoung | so...let me subvert this discussion\ | 16:23 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: guest DC registration is a separate painpoint at the moment :-) | 16:23 |
| ayoung | we were discussing the same thing, but within the context of FreeIPA | 16:23 |
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| ayoung | I assume that a new windows vm, should be able to enroll with a PDC, no? | 16:23 |
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| ayoung | no "have to" but "should be able to" | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | yes | 16:24 |
| ayoung | and the pattern would be something like | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: optionally | 16:24 |
| ayoung | nova generates an OTP, passes it to the PDC as well as to the new vm via Vendoer data | 16:24 |
| ayoung | vendoer | 16:24 |
| * ayoung gives up | 16:24 | |
| ayoung | venderrrrrrr | 16:24 |
| ayoung | anyways | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: the feature we are discussing is the equivalent of SSH pubkey auth | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | ayoung: stop peddling the bike ;) | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: #link http://www.cloudbase.it/windows-without-passwords-in-openstack/ | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: said that, we are also VERY interested in your work | 16:25 |
| ayoung | alexpilotti, so Windows also has this whole Kerberos infrastructure, as well as a CA etc | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: as we are using crazy Heat templates at the moment to handle AD DC registration | 16:25 |
| ayoung | and I think that a single mechanism supporting PDC registration for Windows and FreeIPA for Linux would be a powerful abstraction, and get you a good extension to that blueprint | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: sure, but I wouldn't mix the two scenarios | 16:26 |
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| ayoung | yeah, but that means that an user registering a VM via Horizon or Nova can bypass | 16:26 |
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| ayoung | so...key injection is currently done in the LInux use case, so you need to handle the analogue in that blueprint | 16:26 |
| ayoung | not arguing against that | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: sure, that's just the vry basic scenario | 16:27 |
| ayoung | but I think you have it under control, and I like the fact that you are using X509s instead of raw keys | 16:27 |
| ayoung | right now, however, horizon doesn't let me say "create a vm, and let me inject alexpilotti 's key into it" | 16:27 |
| ayoung | I can only add my own key | 16:27 |
| ayoung | and that sux | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: sure | 16:27 |
| ayoung | alexpilotti, for certificates to be done right, the secret key should never leave the remote machine | 16:28 |
| ayoung | it should generate the CSR and post to a CA | 16:28 |
| ayoung | and there is the rub | 16:28 |
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| alexpilotti | ayoung: it never does | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: we inject only a self signed x509 (w/o key) | 16:28 |
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| alexpilotti | ayoung: in teh same way in which you inject the pubkey in SSH case | 16:29 |
| ayoung | ah, but for logging into a machine, you don't have a problem. You only have a problem when the machine needs to call out...which is what HEAT is facing | 16:29 |
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| alexpilotti | ayoung: sure, that's why I'm saying that there are 2 completely different use cases :-) | 16:29 |
| ayoung | certmonger can help, in that it allows you a mechanism for posting the CSR, but you still need an approval strategy | 16:29 |
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| ayoung | alexpilotti, but related....you want single sign on | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: not everytime | 16:30 |
| ayoung | alexpilotti, I thin the x509 case you ahve well covered | 16:30 |
| ayoung | but I think quickly you are going to run into this issue | 16:30 |
| ayoung | antyway, I'll leave you guys to discuss | 16:30 |
| ayoung | look into certmonger | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: a user can just say: I just want a VM, no complex Heat stuf, just let me log in w/o having to handle passwords | 16:30 |
| ayoung | https://fedorahosted.org/certmonger/ | 16:30 |
| ayoung | alexpilotti, that is the easy sider | 16:31 |
| primeministerp | ayoung: #link https://fedorahosted.org/certmonger/ thx! | 16:31 |
| ayoung | the hard side is getting the X509 signed. | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: certmonger has the potential to solve all the other cases | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: not for the basica auth case we are facing here | 16:31 |
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| alexpilotti | ayoung: self signed is way enough | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: and one detail: | 16:32 |
| ayoung | alexpilotti, it is part of the solution, but you still need to figure out the approval process. | 16:32 |
| ayoung | alexpilotti, ugh | 16:32 |
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| ayoung | selfsigned is....not something you want in production | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: like teh SSH case | 16:32 |
| ayoung | yeah...same argument | 16:32 |
| * ayoung mutters about cowboys | 16:32 | |
| primeministerp | hehe | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: you generate your own key, it never leaves your client, etc etc | 16:33 |
| alexpilotti | lol | 16:33 |
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| ayoung | alexpilotti, right...and there is no revocation | 16:33 |
| ayoung | and no expiration | 16:33 |
| ayoung | at least selfsigned will have expiration | 16:33 |
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| primeministerp | i want to second that | 16:33 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung: yep, but again I would'nt mix the various cases | 16:34 |
| primeministerp | his lunch part | 16:34 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 16:34 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: let's finish this up, and you guys can continue the discussion | 16:34 |
| alexpilotti | ayoung-lunch: you mean dinner, here? :-) | 16:34 |
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| alexpilotti | so, let's join the certmonger effort | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | and help on teh AD bits | 16:35 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: sounds like a plan, let's discuss more later and see what we can do | 16:35 |
| primeministerp | I want to touch on the puppet modules for a moment | 16:36 |
| alexpilotti | great | 16:36 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: we're going to be starting cleanup work | 16:36 |
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| luis_fdez | primeministerp: ok great :) | 16:36 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: in order to get things ready for puppetforge | 16:36 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: so I'll be looking into your bits | 16:36 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: sorry for the delay | 16:36 |
| luis_fdez | Ok, I have to push local changes for the refactoring of: | 16:36 |
| luis_fdez | nova_hyper_v... | 16:36 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: great | 16:36 |
| luis_fdez | I also have some work done in | 16:36 |
| luis_fdez | ceilometer_hyper_v | 16:36 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: let's align over the next week or so | 16:37 |
| luis_fdez | I'm trying to align with the main stackforge modules structure | 16:37 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 16:37 |
| luis_fdez | perfect | 16:37 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: great | 16:37 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: let's keep that going, i want to get to the point where we could potentially merge into existing modules if possible | 16:37 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: knowing that will take some time | 16:37 |
| luis_fdez | ok, perfect | 16:38 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: It may be another week before I get to get my hands more into the code | 16:38 |
| luis_fdez | no problem | 16:38 |
| digambar | Hello Guys, I am also working on HyperV for openstack as a compute node, I'd like to contribute on this effort | 16:38 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: still trying to get back into things after two weeks at the mothership | 16:38 |
| luis_fdez | hehe | 16:38 |
| primeministerp | digambar: hey there | 16:38 |
| digambar | yes | 16:38 |
| primeministerp | digambar: have you seen the existing bits | 16:38 |
| primeministerp | digambar: https://github.com/openstack-hyper-v/puppet-openstack_hyper_v | 16:39 |
| digambar | just joined here | 16:39 |
| digambar | ok | 16:39 |
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| primeministerp | digambar: o great | 16:39 |
| alexpilotti | digambar: cool, welcome onboard! | 16:39 |
| digambar | Thank you guys :) | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | digambar: what time zone are you in? | 16:39 |
| digambar | IST | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | digambar: we can have a call/skype and I can catch up | 16:39 |
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| digambar | absolutely | 16:40 |
| digambar | we can | 16:40 |
| primeministerp | can you email me ppouliot@microsoft.com | 16:40 |
| primeministerp | digambar: ^^ and I'll work on scheduling something | 16:40 |
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| primeministerp | digambar: for later this week | 16:40 |
| digambar | yep, I'll mail you on this | 16:40 |
| digambar | yep | 16:40 |
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| primeministerp | digambar: perfect | 16:40 |
| digambar | :) | 16:41 |
| alexpilotti | digambar: the main channel for the project is #openstack-hyper-v | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: let's touch base later in the week too to see where we each stand | 16:41 |
| luis_fdez | ok primeministerp | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: I need to catch up w/ vijay and tim and see what they want to take on | 16:41 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: anything else to add? | 16:41 |
| digambar | Sure, I'll be available from today on this node | 16:42 |
| primeministerp | digambar: great | 16:42 |
| luis_fdez | I'm also thinking about have some kind of 'meta python module' like other linux distribution have like 'openstack-nova-common' | 16:42 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: we sort of started one | 16:42 |
| digambar | yep | 16:42 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: w/ our python module | 16:42 |
| luis_fdez | it's the easiest aproach to align with stackforge modules but not sure if it's the best option. | 16:42 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: we're prob going to have to do it | 16:43 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: considering the different options for getting the python bits | 16:43 |
| luis_fdez | yeps | 16:43 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: esp w/ what we're doing w/ the autocompilation | 16:43 |
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| primeministerp | ok then, if there's nothing else | 16:44 |
| primeministerp | i think we'll end it here | 16:44 |
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| luis_fdez | ok, have a nice day all of you :) | 16:44 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 16:44:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-03-11-16.00.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-03-11-16.00.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-03-11-16.00.log.html | 16:44 |
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| ayoung | Keystone meeting in an hour | 17:01 |
| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 17:01:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| hughsaunders | hi boris-42 | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:01 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders msdubov ping | 17:01 |
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| hughsaunders | pong | 17:01 |
| olkonami1 | hi | 17:01 |
| msdubov | boris-42 hi | 17:01 |
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| marcoemorais | hi | 17:03 |
| * afazekas o/ | 17:03 | |
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| boris-42 | I think we could start | 17:04 |
| boris-42 | Sooo | 17:05 |
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| boris-42 | thanks msdubov for latest weekly update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rally/Updates#March_10.2C_2014 | 17:05 |
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| boris-42 | #topic benchmark context | 17:05 |
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| boris-42 | Ok it's new thing in Rally | 17:06 |
| marcoemorais | msdubov: thank you! | 17:06 |
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| hughsaunders | msdubov: yep, great summary | 17:06 |
| msdubov | :) | 17:06 |
| boris-42 | So we restructured code | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | to add support of context objects | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | we first of move all related code to creation users and generic cleanup | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | in separated classes that are used with "with statement" | 17:09 |
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| boris-42 | then we build base class for context and introduce context object that is shared between all context classes | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | Now hughsaunders is working to pass this context to benchmark engine | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | becnahmark sceanrio** | 17:10 |
| hughsaunders | yep | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | today we discussed with hughsaunders this stuff | 17:10 |
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| hughsaunders | a copy of the context object minus the users key (See scrollback in #rally) | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep yep | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | msdubov marcoemorais and others are agree with this? | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | are you agree* | 17:11 |
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| msdubov | Yep, the code stays readable, I think | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | okay | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | so let's move | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | next thing is | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | new task config and validation | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | I am going to make one patch that will move validation from benchmark.engine to corresponding scenario.base, runner.base and context.base stuff | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | as well I will change config in the same change ^ cause it makes this part simpler | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | So we will be able to add new benhcmarks.runner without any changes in benchmark.engien | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais msdubov hughsaunders ^ btw we will need to standardize output of runner | 17:15 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: will the config change be to use the new args/runner/context keys? | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep | 17:15 |
| hughsaunders | great | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders so we will pass context content to context.base validation , runner to runner.base and args to scenario.base | 17:16 |
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| hughsaunders | makes sense | 17:17 |
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| msdubov | boris-4w What about runner output standartization? | 17:18 |
| msdubov | What do you mean by this? | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | msdubov we should have some class ScenarioRunnerResult | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov that should be returned as a result of runner.run call | 17:18 |
| msdubov | boris-42 Why not make it through a dictionary? | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov it could be | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | msdubov but dict + validation | 17:19 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: some keys in that should be required, like 'error' | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais yep | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais so I think it should be a subclass of dict | 17:20 |
| msdubov | boris-42 Actually the results won't be too complicated to put them into a class, so I'd prefer the dict+validation combination | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | msdubov marcoemorais that has schema validation | 17:20 |
| hughsaunders | interesting, a self validating dict? | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders short and powerful solution for standartization | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:21 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 I wonder is there any examples of using such dictionary subclasses? | 17:22 |
| msdubov | Seems like a nice idea | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | msdubov IDK =) | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | so okay we could add this to our document with benchmark engine stuff | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | Okay and last step in context stuff | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | in ContextManager | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | that will understand what we have in context {} part and what context are required by benchmark | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | and then run all this stuff | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | and then run benchmark | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | so I think it's clear hughsaunders msdubov marcoemorais ? | 17:25 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 Yes | 17:25 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: I did wonder whether each scenario should specify which context it requires | 17:26 |
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| hughsaunders | maybe that is part of context config validation | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep it will be | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders so i mean you have benchmark like boot_runcommand | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders so it will have @context("security_group") and @context("key_pairs") | 17:27 |
| msdubov | boris-42 And a couple of contexts "by default"? | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders this will be analyzed during validation (e.g. does input context works) | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | msdubov yep by default we have full cleanup context & user context | 17:28 |
| hughsaunders | ah good, like the current validators for image and flavor | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders so you may specify in benchmark that it requires specific context, but it don't block you to add any other in context config | 17:28 |
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| hughsaunders | cool | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | so let's move to next topic | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Benchmark engine optimization | 17:31 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais could you share with current state of removing create_openstack_clients() ? | 17:31 |
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| rediskin | can we run all this stuff in separate threads, not processes? | 17:32 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: all but 1 unit test are passing | 17:32 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: I still need to handle the ssh key pair | 17:33 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: previously that was part of the osclients, but I don't think that is necessary any more | 17:33 |
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| hughsaunders | marcoemorais: I have a patch in review that adds context for that | 17:33 |
| hughsaunders | so can be removed from osclients | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais yep I said before | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais that you should just remove ssh-keypair | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais it shouldn't be there and after hughsaunders it won't be there at all | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders share link pls | 17:34 |
| marcoemorais | hughsaunders: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78966/ | 17:34 |
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| hughsaunders | yep | 17:35 |
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| hughsaunders | looks like I have some comments to address :) | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders not my=) | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais so if you remove ssh-keypair from create_openstack clients you will resolve all issues? | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais with unit tests | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | ? | 17:37 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: actually unit tests don't cover the ssh key pair (the one test that is failing is booting without nic, I think logic in test is faulty) | 17:37 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: key pair failure will happen at run time | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais oh that tests are all bad =( | 17:38 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais we are going to have week of refactoring unit tests | 17:38 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais after we finish all big refactorings | 17:38 |
| kun_huang | +1 (sorry for late) | 17:38 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang np | 17:38 |
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| boris-42 | so okay | 17:38 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 Btw can we discuss a bit what will be our guideline for UT refactoring? | 17:39 |
| msdubov | Does anybody know a good guideline for that? | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | after "optimization topic" | 17:39 |
| msdubov | Or shall we compose our own? | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais ^ | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | msdubov ^ | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais sorry* | 17:39 |
| msdubov | ok | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | "Generic cleanup works forever" | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | We should add as well some kind of cleanup decorator that will accept list of affected projects | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | @cleanup("nova", "cinder") | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | or | 17:40 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: you mean like general purpose cleanup beyond what is already present in the Context? | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais I mean this https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/context/cleaner.py | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais works forever if you have 10k users | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais in keystone benchmark | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais and actually you don't need to cleanup nova and cinder if you are benchmarking keystone | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais so we should be able to specify in benchmark what cleanup to use | 17:42 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: is the issue that you deleting resources 1-by-1? | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais no issue is that you are deleting for every user | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais I mean if you have 10k users | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais you will make > 100k request to list resources in different services | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais 100k requests even if you are able to handle 10 req/sec it will work 10k seconds ~2.5hrs | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so you will wait 2.5hrs for nothing.. | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais more services and more users => more time to wait | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais so we should be able to specify what services are affected by benchmark | 17:46 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais and cleanup only them | 17:46 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: it would also be useful to be able to list resources across users/tenants so we could get a single list rather than requesting per user | 17:47 |
| hughsaunders | not sure if thats possible though | 17:47 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42 hughsaunders: so we need to look for openstack batch api | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais actually no | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais we know what resources are tenant based, what are user based | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais and in generic clenauper method that delete these resources we can chose what to do | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais delete one time per tenant or for every user | 17:48 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: to make sure I understand: you propose to delete resources by tenant instead of by user? | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais nope | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais if resources are common for users ( 1 pre tenant) | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais then list() and delete() them only one time | 17:49 |
| hughsaunders | +1 | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais now we are doing this operation for every users | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so I mean every user will list() but only one will actually delete() | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais in case when users have own resource (e.g. VMs) | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais then we will still make list() / delete() for every user | 17:50 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: we could compile a set of resources, then iterate and delete from set instead of from user, but I still think you need to do some batching | 17:51 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais 1) there is no batch delete in openstack API | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | 2) it's okay to delete from users user resource | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | I think hughsaunders proposal + clean only service that you use will resolve all issues | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | at least most | 17:53 |
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| hughsaunders | boris-42: we could store/generate expected resource names, then delete() only? | 17:54 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42 hughsaunders: what about host aggregates? | 17:54 |
| hughsaunders | marcoemorais: ? | 17:54 |
| kun_huang | marcoemorais that is a concept only for nova? | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders it will actually requires changes in benchmark framework | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders for scenarios | 17:56 |
| marcoemorais | I was thinking that host aggregates could let you manage the entire hostgroup http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-ext.html#ext-os-aggregates | 17:57 |
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| hughsaunders | marcoemorais: thats for managing nodes rather than instances though? | 17:58 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders marcoemorais so we have to finish todays meeting | 17:58 |
| marcoemorais | hughsaunders: got it for hypervisor, not guest | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | So any new ideas IRC chat or that document | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 17:59:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-03-11-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-03-11-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-03-11-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| fabiog | o/ | 17:59 |
| hughsaunders | ended ontime, dolphm will be happy :) | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | yay! | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76: ping! | 18:00 |
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| henrynash | good afternoon | 18:00 |
| dstanek | hi | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | W00T! | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | i feel like that list got shorter ^ | 18:00 |
| fabiog | hi | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | howdy | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 18:01:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| bknudson | dolphm: hi | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| fmarco76 | hi | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | #topic Feature freeze | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | and string freeze | 18:02 |
| gyee | \o | 18:02 |
| dolphm | so, overview of how feature freeze works for those that are new or just haven't been impacted in the past... | 18:02 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ and string freeze! | 18:02 |
| marekd | \o/ | 18:02 |
| marekd | what's that string freeze? | 18:02 |
| dolphm | feature-y changes (especially those tracked against blueprints or wishlist bugs) get -2'd until the master branch is re-opened for juno development | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | and the master branch stays frozen until the list of release-blocking bugs is fully Fix Committed: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | So everyone swtich from Server work to client work | 18:03 |
| dolphm | string freeze: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze | 18:03 |
| marekd | dolphm: thanks. | 18:04 |
| ayoung | switch. | 18:04 |
| dstanek | no freeze on the client code? | 18:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ideally, everyone is focused on fixing bugs in the service so we have a stable release | 18:04 |
| dolphm | string freeze basically gives the translation folks some time to catch up with string translations as they will appear in a stable/* release | 18:04 |
| ayoung | Hehe | 18:04 |
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| marekd | dolphm: OK | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #topic Review blocked feature-y changes | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | so there are inevitably bug fixes that appear feature-y for whatever reason | 18:06 |
| dolphm | i have two on the agenda i wanted to review | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | if it says LDAP in the review, it is almost certainly a Bug fix. If you see one with out a bugID, -2 it with "file a bug" | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | if we deem these changes to be incredibly safe, and we have a generally overwhelming desire to land them in icehouse, we can do so | 18:07 |
| dolphm | first up... | 18:07 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76568/ | 18:07 |
| stevemar | dstanek, afaik you can play with client all you want, but try to fix server side bugs | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | this one is implementing previously NotImplemented methods in the assignment ldap driver | 18:08 |
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| bknudson | the unimplemented methods in the ldap backend are scary to me. | 18:08 |
| ayoung | hmmm | 18:08 |
| dolphm | actually i think that's a lie -- but it's introducing substantial functionality to the ldap assignment driver | 18:08 |
| dolphm | this one doesn't look safe to me at first glance, but i wanted to raise it here in case anyone wanted to strongly advocate for it | 18:09 |
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| bknudson | I'd think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76568/2/keystone/tests/test_backend_ldap.py would remove a bunch of skipped tests. | 18:09 |
| dolphm | i definitely haven't done a thorough review so i can't speak to it | 18:09 |
| gyee | "_get_global_roles_for_group", nice :) | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | yeah... | 18:10 |
| gyee | I did't know global roles are supported | 18:10 |
| ayoung | Any LDAP review that does not list me as a reviewer will get -2ed out of sheer spite | 18:10 |
| gyee | that, or the method name is misleading | 18:10 |
| ayoung | Nah, old stuff, needs top go away | 18:10 |
| henrynash | so I was Ok with this patch when it was just adding in group roles….the "global roles" bit confuses me | 18:10 |
| ayoung | LDAP needs domain scoping. Juno | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: ++ i inquired in one of the bugs about the precedence it claims to be following -- i haven't gotten a response yet | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | doesn't sound like anyone is immediately comfortable with this one, so let's continue to hold it until juno | 18:12 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78521/ | 18:12 |
| dolphm | this one introduced a new config option, but it's a clean simple patch otherwise | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | that one is a new config option | 18:12 |
| dolphm | if it lands, it should land ASAP (ideally last week) | 18:12 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78521/ would be safe. | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:13 |
| bknudson | and also pretty desirable. | 18:13 |
| dolphm | i'd like to advocate for this one on the basis that i'm aware of several deployments carrying custom patches to solve this problem :( | 18:13 |
| ayoung | I can drop the -2 if you are all comfortable | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | should we /vote? | 18:14 |
| henrynash | I'm for it | 18:14 |
| * ayoung has not gotten to use the vote option in a meeting yet | 18:14 | |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ideally hold your -2 until there's overwhelming +2's on the review | 18:14 |
| dolphm | ayoung: your -2 is completely appropriate given the config impact | 18:15 |
| bknudson | hopefully the submitter will update it.. | 18:15 |
| ayoung | dolphm, lets use the vote option! | 18:15 |
| ayoung | http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html#voting | 18:15 |
| bknudson | (or if others agree with my suggestions I could make the updates) | 18:15 |
| dolphm | ayoung: gerrit already has voting, and that's where it counts | 18:15 |
| dolphm | bknudson: would you update it for them? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 18:15 |
| dolphm | bknudson: so if it's not None, then set the config option in python-ldap? | 18:16 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: right | 18:16 |
| dolphm | bknudson: in other words, no one is impacted by this change at all, which is perfect | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | cjellick_: is the owner | 18:16 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: awesome | 18:17 |
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| dolphm | cjellick_: if you're around, can you work with bknudson to make the above change? or he'll make it for you so we can land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78521/ ASAP :) | 18:17 |
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| stevemar | it doesn't look too bad, at first glance | 18:18 |
| dolphm | are there any other blocked reviews that anyone wants to consider? (that's the end of my list on the agenda) | 18:18 |
| dolphm | if not, we'll just do open discussion until our time is up | 18:18 |
| dolphm | dstanek: IIRC, you called me out on something i blocked last week? | 18:19 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: did i? | 18:19 |
| gyee | dolphm, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76476/ | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78068/ | 18:19 |
| dstanek | don't recall | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: you asked why i blocked something, and my answer was that i didn't think about it too hard | 18:19 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I'd consider gyee 's review there a bugfix | 18:20 |
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| gyee | ec2 middleware should really be in keystoneclient | 18:20 |
| ayoung | same rules as the LDAP one: would not affect anyone | 18:20 |
| jamielennox | gyee's i would be ok with | 18:20 |
| dolphm | gyee: that's a good one | 18:20 |
| jamielennox | mine i kind of think should be -2 | 18:20 |
| dstanek | dolphm: that's possible; i doubt it was anything i cared about; more likely that i'm trying to see the boundries of the process | 18:20 |
| ayoung | welll...actually, no. That one will break | 18:21 |
| dolphm | gyee: ec2 runs on keystone, so i don't think that's true | 18:21 |
| gyee | dolphm, but that's middleware | 18:21 |
| dolphm | dstanek: ack | 18:21 |
| dolphm | gyee: middleware that runs on top of keystone, yes | 18:21 |
| gyee | dolphm, I don't think that one runs on top of keystone | 18:21 |
| dolphm | gyee: oh i think you're right | 18:21 |
| bknudson | would be nice if there were some unit tests covering ec2_token. | 18:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: i wasn't looking at the file | 18:22 |
| ayoung | gyee, only should be moved to keystoneclient if other services are going to pull that middleware in, too | 18:22 |
| bknudson | looks like ec2_token doesn't use identity_api or anything? | 18:22 |
| dolphm | bknudson: correct, it's like auth_token | 18:23 |
| gyee | ayoung, not sure, I am getting conflicting messages about ec2 support in general | 18:23 |
| ayoung | gyee, how about submitting a client review | 18:23 |
| bknudson | so moving to keystoneclient makes sense to me | 18:23 |
| ayoung | you could easily put https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76476/6/keystone/middleware/ec2_token.py into the client | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | question is whether other services besides keystone are going to use it | 18:23 |
| gyee | at one point I was told OpenStack no longer supports s3 and ec2 | 18:23 |
| gyee | but others continue to use them | 18:24 |
| ayoung | I know Heat would love it if everyone did | 18:24 |
| bknudson | the change in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76476/6/keystone/middleware/ec2_token.py looks pretty straightforward to me | 18:24 |
| bknudson | and it improves security | 18:24 |
| gyee | s3 has to be used in conjunction with the s3 emulator, which no longer part of Swift | 18:24 |
| ayoung | bknudson, and will break existing deployments because of that | 18:24 |
| ayoung | we need to make the defaults the insecure ones for Icehouse | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | i'm happy with that change to go into icehouse | 18:24 |
| ayoung | and crank it to secure for Juno | 18:24 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I'm good with that plan. | 18:25 |
| ayoung | gyee, no good deed goes unpunished | 18:25 |
| gyee | heh | 18:25 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: we haven't done that for other things, when doing certs in auth_token we just did it | 18:25 |
| jamielennox | this will have far less impact than that | 18:25 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, yeah, but not during feature freeze | 18:25 |
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| jamielennox | true | 18:25 |
| ayoung | all the puppetization etc need to catch up with it | 18:26 |
| gyee | ayoung, we can't pull the rug under ppl during feature freeze?!!! :) | 18:26 |
| bknudson | there's no feature freeze for auth_token since it's in the client. | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | gyee, do you agree? We let the change in but with the defaults such that an existing config would work, and then switch the defaults in juno? | 18:27 |
| gyee | ayoung, no argument here | 18:27 |
| bknudson | can we get someone to validate that the defaults work? | 18:27 |
| bknudson | sorry, that an existing config will work? | 18:27 |
| dolphm | the way 'verify' is determined in that patch is really confusing | 18:27 |
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| dolphm | it has a default in two places, and then it gets overridden... | 18:28 |
| bknudson | I'm worried because there are no tests. | 18:28 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: that's kind of how the verify works, either it's true/false or it's the CA certs | 18:28 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: ++ - i've no idea how to test it either | 18:29 |
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| jamielennox | (what's correct to test) | 18:29 |
| dolphm | bknudson: seems like the defaults would be breaking | 18:32 |
| dolphm | bknudson: for better or worse... keystone_ec2_insecure defaults to False (contrary to the existing behavior), so requests attempts verification against system CA without a cert/key ? | 18:32 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: it's not looking at the _url anymore to see if using ssl | 18:33 |
| gyee | dolphm, yes, it will look for the system CA certs | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | yes, we would want to set insecure=True to be compatible with current options | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: i'm not opposed to breaking deployments in the name of better security though... | 18:34 |
| bknudson | or is SSL/not SSL handled by requests.post? | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | jamielennox: as long as it's a matter of setting _insecure = True to opt back into the old behavior | 18:34 |
| gyee | bknudson, yes, it it handled by requests | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | gyee:++ | 18:34 |
| gyee | looking at the URL is not very reliable | 18:34 |
| gyee | as start-TLS, for example, starts with http | 18:34 |
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| gyee | then switch over to TLS | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | looking at the URL in the original doesn't do anything i think, it's just whether to use the http or https handler | 18:35 |
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| jamielennox | i don't *think* there is any actual extra security imposed by the HTTPSConnection | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | the verify=verify and cert=cert parameters are ignored if the url is http (and not https)? | 18:35 |
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| gyee | that's would be unawesome | 18:36 |
| ayoung | marekd, bring it up here once the current conversation is done | 18:36 |
| dolphm | why is this a Partial-Bug? | 18:37 |
| gyee | https tunnel via http proxy won't work | 18:37 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I think because it affects multiple projects. | 18:37 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: yes they should be | 18:38 |
| ayoung | so marekd has an issue with SAML. Can it be brought up here? | 18:39 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, i think so, not much has happened in a few minutes | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/79284 | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78068/ not -2ed because we want it to land in icehouse? | 18:39 |
| bknudson | dolphm: since the arguments are ignored with http:// I think the behavior will not change. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | I think this is a mistake, but don't want to break things for others | 18:40 |
| ayoung | the SAML approach assumes that all of the identity Data is external to keystone | 18:40 |
| ayoung | looking for groups in Keystone makes no sense to me | 18:40 |
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| bknudson | what's the reasoning that the group has to exist? | 18:40 |
| bknudson | to catch invalid config? | 18:41 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: i thought the whole idea was to map SAML stuff into Keystone groups | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | marekd, what is your assumption: that users will be defined in SAML but groups will be in Keystone? | 18:41 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yes | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: the default will change because it will default to verify=True for https connections and so will do CA verification | 18:41 |
| ayoung | dstanek, but I don't think that makes sense | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, groups are per domain | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: you're getting ahead of the current approach | 18:41 |
| marekd | ayoung: yes, groups should be configured/created prior to federation configuration... | 18:41 |
| marekd | ayoung: and not regular users...ephemeral-like users. | 18:42 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: what if you do http:// + verify=True ? | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: no change | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: it should be ignored | 18:42 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: cool | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | marekd, and "ephemeral users" is a mistake....ugh. Not sure we want to reinforce this. I'm afraid we'll be stuck with something broken we have to live with. But I guess the existing SAML approach is already there. | 18:43 |
| marekd | ayoung: it in the master. | 18:44 |
| ayoung | But yeah...and I was sorely tempted to -2 it for this very reason. But I am not he-who-should-not-be-named-in-irc | 18:44 |
| marekd | ayoung: i said ephemeral-like users...something, a set of roles that can access some domains/projects as long as the token is valid and later disappears. | 18:44 |
| ayoung | We need to fix in J1 | 18:44 |
| * dolphm unblocked the ec2_token patch and targeted bug at RC1 | 18:44 | |
| dolphm | i'd +2 except for the commit message thing | 18:45 |
| marekd | ayoung: you wanted to -2 what? federation patches/ | 18:45 |
| marekd | ? | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | marekd, yeah....I wanted to redo the token creation pipeline first | 18:45 |
| ayoung | but couldn't get to it in time. | 18:46 |
| gyee | ayoung, marekd, the questions is if users are managed outside of Keystone, what's the use of shadowing them in Keystone? | 18:46 |
| dolphm | ayoung: btw, please don't reimplement paste - just take advantage of wsgi | 18:46 |
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| gyee | for metering & billing, tracking? | 18:46 |
| marekd | gyee: you dont shadow any user information... | 18:46 |
| ayoung | dolphm, for the token pipeline? | 18:46 |
| dolphm | ayoung: yes | 18:46 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i think you filed a wishlist bug to that effect | 18:46 |
| gyee | if I am reading ayoung correctly, he wants to shadow them in Keystone | 18:47 |
| dolphm | gyee: i haven't gotten a great answer to that question either | 18:47 |
| marekd | gyee: he wants to remove identity :D | 18:47 |
| dolphm | marekd: me too, but not today! | 18:47 |
| gyee | haha | 18:47 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think I alluded to "something like paste if paste can't suit our needs" or something appropriatlley vague. I suspect one of the more pythonic members of our community will have the right solution, not I. | 18:47 |
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| marekd | gyee: we don't shadow any user information...the only 'shadowing' if we can call it that way is groups/roles configuration | 18:48 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: paste is the answer you're looking for ;) | 18:48 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: more specifically wsgi in general, but paste makes wsgi sufficiently easy | 18:48 |
| marekd | gyee: basically RuleProcessor, courtesy of stevemar, maps SAML2 assertion into set of group id | 18:48 |
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| marekd | ids | 18:48 |
| gyee | marekd, that's how it is usually done | 18:49 |
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| gyee | Keystone manage the "personas" | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, It may well be. I think can see how it will solve the token-pipeline configuration | 18:49 |
| gyee | personas are pre-determined | 18:49 |
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| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:50 |
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| marekd | gyee: agreed. So in this use-case, there is not new User record | 18:50 |
| marekd | gyee: a group may be. | 18:50 |
| ayoung | gyee, that sounds a lot like "define the users in SAML and the groups in Keystone" to me | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78068/ ? | 18:50 |
| gyee | ayoung, right, defining groups in kesytone | 18:50 |
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| marekd | gyee: but even if we skip groups, and map directly from saml2 to role we still sometimes need create roles dedicated for federated users... | 18:51 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: are you asking for a review or with regard to blocking until juno? | 18:51 |
| marekd | gyee: to me it again smells like 'shadowing' | 18:51 |
| ayoung | gyee, we can do that now with the mapping layer, but we could make a persona or group a first class entity in that layer | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: regarding whether it's blocked, you did a review the other day without a -2 | 18:51 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: intentional :) | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: if it's blocked i'll probably abandon and do it with pecan when that happens | 18:51 |
| gyee | marekd, you don't want to directly assign user roles, just ask your auditing ppl | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: it got bigger and uglier than i though it would | 18:52 |
| marekd | saml2->roles was ayoung's idea | 18:52 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i haven't given it a thorough review, but don't see a reason for it to be blocked | 18:52 |
| gyee | it will be a nightmare to do auditing/forensics | 18:52 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: so the links in all the elements are broken? | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: it means that if you don't put admin_host_url in config you get links that are like http://localhost/blah | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | gyee, not if we keep the userid mapping clean. | 18:53 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i'm just not sure how to triage the bug, or if it should be targeted at RC1 | 18:53 |
| gyee | ayoung, you don't really need user id | 18:53 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: the patch defaults that to using whatever host you connected to it with so if you requests.get('http://keystone/v3/users') links will be relative to http://keystone/v3 | 18:53 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: after all, you just have to provide configuration for it work as expected, right? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | gyee, all the other projects need userid | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | so, yes we do | 18:54 |
| marekd | ayoung: ++ | 18:54 |
| gyee | in SAML land, a user is unique identified by a collection of attributes | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer and i have discussed in the past that it's unset by default in real deployments and no one notices because it's only ued by links and discovery | 18:54 |
| ayoung | gyee, and a userid is the shortcut | 18:54 |
| marekd | gyee: but in the keystone world by unique string... | 18:54 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: what do you mean? a relative link? | 18:54 |
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| bknudson | like /v3/users ? | 18:54 |
| ayoung | gyee, even in SAML, each user has a unique identifier | 18:54 |
| ayoung | lets not quibble, I have no patience for it today | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: sorry shouldn't have used relative | 18:55 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: i thought you were getting the host url out of the wsgi env, not using relative urls? | 18:55 |
| fmarco76 | gyee: actually in SAML user are identified by an ID, gnerally the EPTID or EPPN | 18:55 |
| dwaite | seems to me there are two approaches - expect the IDP to send roles which are defined by keystone, or the IDP will send user roles over and keystone will interpret them and map them into its own role concept. | 18:55 |
| marekd | ayoung: anything else regarding federation you wanted to discuss now? | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | if you connect to url 'http://keystone:5000/v3/users' then request.host_url is http://keystone:5000 | 18:55 |
| ayoung | marekd, nope..it can all wait to Atlanta | 18:55 |
| dolphm | dwaite: \o/ long time no see | 18:55 |
| dwaite | hi dolphm! | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: so i want to default the public and admin urls to the request.host_url | 18:56 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: that sounds like the right way to do it. | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | rather than http://localhost:%(public_port) which it is now | 18:56 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: but you can override with http://localhost:%(public_port) ? | 18:56 |
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| jamielennox | so it shouldn't change anything for deployments | 18:56 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: which could be something like "http://hostname:port/path" -- correct? | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: ++ | 18:56 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: that's great. | 18:56 |
| gyee | more federation fun in Atlanta I guess | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: right it you have a /path you will still need to set the config option | 18:57 |
| fmarco76 | ayoung, just a question, do you have a plan to provide token after federate authentication as post to an external service? | 18:57 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: IMO this is fixing a bug. | 18:57 |
| stevemar | gyee, for sure | 18:57 |
| dolphm | gyee: of course! | 18:57 |
| gyee | I think we really need to get that user_id question straighten out | 18:57 |
| gyee | what is it used for? | 18:57 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: oh - i assumed /path would be included | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i don't know how to fix that without some bigger rearchitecting | 18:57 |
| stevemar | gyee, auditing mostly | 18:57 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: fair enough | 18:57 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: why can't we get the path? | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: you can't do it as a drop in replacement at least | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | all the link rendering is done based on the config option | 18:58 |
| marekd | ayoung: allrighty, i am headong home. should be online again soon. | 18:58 |
| marekd | heading* | 18:58 |
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| jamielennox | if we put some effort in in Juno we can get the whole request url but everything build up there own path relative to a base | 18:58 |
| gyee | dolphm, are you accepting design session proposals now? | 18:59 |
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| dolphm | gyee: since friday http://summit.openstack.org/ | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | rephrase: all the controllers currently builds the URLs assuming the base up | 18:59 |
| * dolphm < 1 min | 18:59 | |
| marekd|away | dolphm: until? | 18:59 |
| jamielennox | we would have to change all that | 18:59 |
| dolphm | marekd|away: ... late april | 19:00 |
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| marekd|away | dolphm: ok! | 19:00 |
| dolphm | marekd|away: april 19? april 29? i should have written the date down, but i'll give a heads up when we get close | 19:00 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 19:00:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-03-11-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-03-11-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-03-11-18.01.log.html | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | hello infra folks! | 19:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey! | 19:00 |
| fungi | howdy | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | hello there. | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | o/ | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| tchaypo | morning | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 19:01:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-03-04-19.01.html | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | fungi check for remaining recommendations of openstack-ci-admins fungi disable openstack-ci-admins list | 19:02 |
| jeblair | fungi: what's the disposition of that list? | 19:02 |
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| fungi | jeblair: done, there were none in the docs in git but there were a couple hits on the wiki. i keep gettign distracted by broken things and haven't finished updating those articles yet | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | sorry about the broken things :( | 19:03 |
| fungi | so i've looked into it, should be able to finish updating and disable the ml this week sometime | 19:03 |
| jeblair | fungi: cool | 19:03 |
| clarkb | fungi: is that something we could crowd source? | 19:04 |
| clarkb | or simpler to just do it directly? | 19:04 |
| fungi | clarkb: it's only 2 or 3 articles | 19:04 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 19:04 |
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| fungi | but i keep starting to update them and then people ask me questions or something breaks, so the tabs for them are just sitting open in my browser abouit 30 tabs below whatever i'm working on now | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | #topic Upgrade gerrit (zaro) | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | zaro: are you around? if so, what's the latest there? | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | i reviewed some changes this morning which are just backports of the 2.9 changes into our 2.8 tree | 19:06 |
| jeblair | i could probably could have just approved them since i don't think our review of those changes is meaningful | 19:07 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:07 |
| sweston | jeblair: I have been reviewing Zaro's changes, as you requested. Getting a crash course in Gerrit and Git :-) | 19:07 |
| zaro | latest is changes are on gerrit. just been waiting for reviews. | 19:07 |
| jeblair | sweston: great! | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | zaro: anything else blocking the move other than reviews? | 19:08 |
| mordred | jeblair: (lurking - about to go pick up my dad from airport) | 19:08 |
| zaro | nope | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | cool, so i think the rest of the agenda is stale from before; sorry about that. we're going to improv a bit here... | 19:09 |
| jeblair | #topic puppetboard | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | so this actually relates to a number of puppet and hiera changes outstanding | 19:10 |
| jeblair | since we want to have puppetboard up before we start doing refactoring | 19:10 |
| jeblair | and i think there is a review | 19:10 |
| mordred | oh! dad's flight delayed. so I'm ... | 19:10 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:10 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77928/ | 19:10 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: ^ | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | mordred: yay? i guess? :) | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | hi im here | 19:10 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: can you fill us in on the vcsrepo situation? | 19:11 |
| mordred | I tried to apply that this weekend and got hit by the vcsrepo thing | 19:11 |
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| nibalizer | currently we use openstackci-vcsrepo | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | puppetboard module depends on puppetlabs-vcsrepo | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | i think the short term resolution is to modify install_modules.sh to have an array of modules to be installed without their dependencies | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | in this case puppetboard would install and work fine | 19:12 |
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| mordred | I'm good with that as a short-term resolution | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | puppet module install --without-deps or something | 19:12 |
| mordred | long term - I would like to get us migrated off of openstackci-vcsrepo | 19:12 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: oh, is that because both vcsrepo modules are compatible? | 19:12 |
| nibalizer | long term we should get pl-vcsrepo in place | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | ++ to both ideas | 19:12 |
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| nibalizer | jeblair: with what puppetboard does, yes | 19:12 |
| mordred | but there are 32 different usages of vcsrepo | 19:12 |
| mordred | so we should verify that pl-vcsrepo operates how we expect | 19:13 |
| mordred | for those | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | yea, and we can assign that to me after puppetboard lands if we want | 19:13 |
| mordred | awesome | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | since at that point i'll be sortof wondering what to do | 19:13 |
| jeblair | short and long term sound gtm | 19:13 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: fix all the things | 19:13 |
| jeblair | :) | 19:13 |
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| nibalizer | haha | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | also i might be changing jobs to piston cloud | 19:13 |
| jesusaurus | how much divergence is there betweeen the vcsrepos? is migrating to puppetlabs a large undertaking? | 19:13 |
| * fungi is wholeheartedly in favor | 19:13 | |
| nibalizer | which would basically pay me to be on this team | 19:13 |
| nibalizer | which would be freaking awesome | 19:14 |
| mordred | nibalizer: ++ | 19:14 |
| fungi | nibalizer: yes! | 19:14 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: it would be freaking awesome! i hope it happens! | 19:14 |
| mordred | jesusaurus: unknown - there is a decent divergence | 19:14 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: I don't expect them to be terribly different, but we have always had trouble with the subtle behaviors in that module | 19:14 |
| mordred | jesusaurus: but what clarkb said | 19:14 |
| clarkb | like does asubscription trigger every time that repo is updated or only when the branch/ref/tag updates | 19:14 |
| clarkb | and so on | 19:14 |
| jeblair | #agreed install puppet modules without deps to avoid puppetlabs/openstackci vcsrepo module conflict (short term) | 19:15 |
| nibalizer | yea but if we're agreed im gonn hack install_modules.sh to work we can move on | 19:15 |
| nibalizer | oh awesome | 19:15 |
| jeblair | #agreed migrate to puppetlabs vcsrepo module (long term) | 19:15 |
| fungi | it might be that if the complexity of vcsrepo is our biggest issue for most cases, developing some very lightweight gitrepo module for most of what we need would be sufficient | 19:15 |
| jeblair | oh i may have jumped the gun on that last one | 19:16 |
| nibalizer | lets put migration into 'needs more info' | 19:16 |
| jeblair | yeah | 19:16 |
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| nibalizer | i can probably have some actual data by next week | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | that doesn't sound like a terrible idea if the puppetlabs vcsrepo module in intractable, but puppetlabs module should probably be a first step/attempt | 19:16 |
| sdague | so is vcsrepo any less terrible? | 19:16 |
| fungi | i don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but that's a potential out if vcsrepo needs too much work for our primary uses | 19:16 |
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| fungi | and would be preferable to forking an outdated one | 19:17 |
| jeblair | sdague: less terrible than what? (and which vcsrepo?) | 19:17 |
| sdague | I was using the puppet forge one for local stuff | 19:18 |
| sdague | and had issues with setting origin | 19:18 |
| sdague | eventually gave up and used the devstack routines to clone trees in a shell script | 19:18 |
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| sdague | which is basically the code that we use in the gate to set the zuul refs | 19:18 |
| jeblair | sdague: ah, is it less terrible than it used to be. gotcha. | 19:19 |
| fungi | it seemed like a lot of the complexity in vcsrepo stemmed from trying to come up with an abstraction to represent a variety of different vcs'es with sometimes contradictory underlying concepts | 19:19 |
| sdague | fungi: do we use it on more than git projects today? | 19:19 |
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| fungi | sdague: maybe one or two, but almost all our uses are git | 19:19 |
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| sdague | just in case it was replaceable with a small shell script | 19:19 |
| fungi | right, that's what i meant by a lightweight replacement maybe being an easy out if we need one | 19:20 |
| sdague | https://github.com/sdague/devstack-vagrant/blob/master/puppet/modules/devstack/files/git_clone.sh | 19:20 |
| mordred | nice | 19:20 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: sounds like it's worth looking into and familiarizing a bit, but maybe be wary of going too far down the rabbit hole | 19:20 |
| sdague | I managed to basically replace it with that | 19:20 |
| sdague | for my purposes | 19:20 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: okay | 19:20 |
| fungi | sdague: cool | 19:21 |
| jeblair | do we have any issues with our current vcsrepo module? | 19:21 |
| mordred | nibalizer: I can re-try your patch on puppetdb.o.o whenever you're ready | 19:21 |
| mordred | jeblair: not to my knowledge | 19:21 |
| nibalizer | mordred: okay ill ping you | 19:21 |
| nibalizer | i'm at $real_work right now with plans this evening so probably tomorrow at the earliest (Pacific Time) | 19:22 |
| sdague | jeblair: I definitely found issues previously with setting etherpad at a specific tag point | 19:22 |
| mordred | kk. I'm also busy as hell - but wanted to make sure we're supporting you - because I think getting this up will help us all breathe easier | 19:22 |
| sdague | but that was during the last attempted upgrade, so 6 months back | 19:22 |
| jeblair | gtk | 19:23 |
| sdague | so I don't know if that problem went away, or we just haven't tried moving the tag | 19:23 |
| jeblair | anything else on puppetboard? | 19:23 |
| nibalizer | not fro me | 19:23 |
| nibalizer | but i can answer questions if anyone has them | 19:23 |
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| nibalizer | okay sounds like no | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | nibalizer: thanks so much for doing this! i'm really looking forward to it. | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | (and seeing what i assume will be a completely red dashboard) | 19:25 |
| fungi | i'm betting it will be pretty red, yeah | 19:25 |
| nibalizer | haha we'll see | 19:25 |
| jeblair | #topic gerrit downtime / renames | 19:26 |
| nibalizer | also the green of a node that keeps changing over and over because puppet can't converge on a stable state | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-March/001003.html | 19:26 |
| jeblair | so that's happening tomorrow at 1200 utc | 19:26 |
| jeblair | fungi: thanks! | 19:26 |
| fungi | you bet | 19:26 |
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| fungi | should be early enough to get it over with before the activity level picks up for the day | 19:27 |
| jeblair | we should make sure that all the changes are ready and reviewed today, and prep an etherpad for tomorrow | 19:27 |
| fungi | still waiting to hear back from the chef people on whether it's okay to do theirs at the same time | 19:27 |
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| fungi | and i think jogo/russellb wanted to move the gantt projects at the same time too? | 19:28 |
| jeblair | fungi: which chef repo? | 19:28 |
| russellb | so, gantt is basically not an active compute program effort anymore | 19:28 |
| russellb | there is some group that wants to play with it still | 19:28 |
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| russellb | so what that means in terms of repo naming, i don't feel so strong about | 19:28 |
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| fungi | jeblair: stackforge/cookbook-openstack-metering to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-telemetry | 19:28 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64788/ | 19:29 |
| jeblair | russellb: do they have an alternate project name? or do they still want it called gantt? | 19:29 |
| jogo | russellb: ++ | 19:29 |
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| russellb | gantt i guess, no requests otherwise | 19:29 |
| jogo | there has been no talk of an alternate name | 19:29 |
| clarkb | out of curiousity why the change? jogo indicated nova cores didn't want to review but aiui that isn't a requirement | 19:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the renaming change for savanna/sahara - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79097/ | 19:30 |
| sdague | so one of the days we probably want to purge openstack-dev namespace as well then | 19:30 |
| russellb | clarkb: why isn't it active? | 19:30 |
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| russellb | there's a much longer answer, but basically it was premature | 19:30 |
| sdague | if we are now feeling the namespace brings more significance | 19:30 |
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| mordred | sdague: we go back and forth on the significance, tbh | 19:30 |
| fungi | and brings us back to the question of what to do with melange and melangeclient. can of worms | 19:30 |
| sdague | mordred: sure, but we should pick a back or forth "once and for all" | 19:31 |
| jeblair | sdague: so the rough criteria are: openstack is for projects that are part of official programs that are part of the actual product of the openstack project | 19:31 |
| sdague | so we don't need to discuss each time | 19:31 |
| jogo | clarkb: the current gantt repo is essentially playground -- and we don't feel comfortable opening up the core team on a Compute Program repo | 19:31 |
| jeblair | sdague: openstack-dev is for projects that aid development of openstack but are not the actual product | 19:31 |
| sdague | jeblair: well openstack/ is full of docs trees | 19:31 |
| jeblair | sdague: the api is part of the product | 19:31 |
| sdague | the manuals? | 19:31 |
| mordred | as is the documentation for the product | 19:31 |
| mordred | yeah | 19:32 |
| mordred | totally | 19:32 |
| jeblair | sdague: yeah, products without documentation suck :) | 19:32 |
| fungi | i'd also like to see the tc weigh in on a contingency plan for when we do eventually need to kick a project out of incubation too, so we know what the overall plan is for that sort of project removal from the namespace | 19:32 |
| sdague | ok, so the split then of why tempest is in openstack, and grenade and devstack aren't is my question | 19:32 |
| mordred | fungi: well, if they'd do that, then we'd know what to do with melange | 19:32 |
| jeblair | sdague: openstack-infra is for projects that facilicate the operation of the projcet infrastructure | 19:32 |
| fungi | mordred: more or less my point, yeah | 19:32 |
| mordred | sdague: I believe tempest is in openstack/ because of history | 19:32 |
| mordred | not because of design | 19:32 |
| jeblair | sdague: grenade and devstack could probably move to openstack now since we've adopted them as official programs | 19:32 |
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| mordred | same withi grenade adn devstack | 19:33 |
| mordred | I could see them either place | 19:33 |
| jeblair | sdague: but grenade and devstack were intentionally not in openstack because they weren't considered part of what we were trying to produce; they were incidental to that | 19:33 |
| sdague | jeblair: yeh, honestly, it mostly seems like all 3 should be in one namespace. I lightly lean towards openstack/ because they are all part of official programs | 19:33 |
| mordred | I'm a bit of an openstack/ namespace maximalist myself- I kinda think it could just be "things in here get you ATC status" | 19:33 |
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| mordred | because then it becomes clear taht it's not an indication of integrated product | 19:34 |
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| fungi | mordred: well, now we have a programs/projects list in the governance repo we can use for atc status anyway | 19:34 |
| jeblair | if we're now trying to produce a dev/test script maybe we should move it over | 19:34 |
| mordred | but rather a grouping place that we put things that our community has accepted into its fold | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i think tempest belongs in openstack too; the project intends to produce a test suite as part of the product | 19:34 |
| mordred | jeblair: I believe that we do, as a community, produce a dev/test script | 19:35 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | i would be fine moving grenade and devstack over | 19:35 |
| mordred | I think the main reason to not move devstack | 19:35 |
| mordred | is honestly the epic world of pain it would cause to move it | 19:35 |
| mordred | due to the massive amount of docs and scripts that clone it | 19:35 |
| fungi | i think moving them will be painful (from an automation perspective) but hopefully pain we only incur once | 19:35 |
| fungi | that | 19:36 |
| sdague | mordred: well, maybe do it the week before summit | 19:36 |
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| mordred | sdague: during the summit | 19:36 |
| jeblair | mordred: i don't think it's _that_ painful | 19:36 |
| sdague | when life is quiet on that front | 19:36 |
| mordred | :) | 19:36 |
| sdague | or summit | 19:36 |
| mordred | during a talk - on stage | 19:36 |
| sdague | +2 +2 | 19:36 |
| jeblair | mordred: it's at the top of the dependency tree, so to speak... | 19:36 |
| fungi | make sure you have a rack of servers with blinkenlichts | 19:36 |
| sdague | summit just in the fact that overall activity is low that week | 19:36 |
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| sdague | jeblair: it will probably break every 3rd party CI system | 19:36 |
| sdague | and I'm sure that they haven't put a contingency in place for the move | 19:37 |
| jeblair | sdague: so we can announce it with plenty of lead time, but we can't let that freeze us | 19:37 |
| sdague | sure | 19:37 |
| sdague | that would be a reason to do it during J-1 window | 19:37 |
| sdague | as it would be minimal impact | 19:37 |
| sdague | no one racing towards deadlines | 19:37 |
| jeblair | yeah | 19:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | +1 | 19:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | +1 for j1 window I mean | 19:38 |
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| sdague | anyway, that was a bit of a diversion | 19:38 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | did we decide if we're renaming gantt tomorrow? | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | i'm fine kicking it over to stackforge if that's where we think it belongs | 19:39 |
| jeblair | if openstack wants something called gantt, and doesn't want to move the _same_ repo back in a year or so, we might want to change the name too. or we can punt and just do it then if needed. | 19:39 |
| fungi | i'm in favor of getting some tc direction on general handling for removed previously-official projects, but am willing to add it to the move if there's a majority consensus | 19:39 |
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| sdague | if we know it's dead, gantt-deprecated might be appropriate | 19:40 |
| sdague | so that people don't go and try to do something with it and not realize it's basically not going anywhere | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | sdague: apparently a few people think it's not dead, but they aren't the nova ptl | 19:41 |
| sdague | um... kay | 19:41 |
| jeblair | fungi: it's a good question. i'm not sure melange belongs anywhere else; but maybe gantt does because of the group of people who still want to hack on it | 19:41 |
| jogo | well its not even really deprecated it was never well anything | 19:41 |
| jogo | gantt-playground | 19:41 |
| jeblair | fungi: and an interesting thought experiment: if someone said "i want to hack on melange" what would we do? | 19:42 |
| sdague | man, all of these things make me feel like the right answer is "rm -rf" | 19:42 |
| sdague | and let people go clone their own thing on github | 19:42 |
| sdague | and play out there | 19:42 |
| jeblair | sdague: we have no procedure for deleting projects. | 19:42 |
| fungi | i'm more in favor of a commit which replaces all the files with a readme containing a deprecation notice | 19:43 |
| jeblair | sdague: because it would make gerrit throw errors all the time | 19:43 |
| fungi | it preserves the history and leaves no implication of support | 19:43 |
| clarkb | jeblair: not only that but its a bit mean to delete history | 19:43 |
| jeblair | clarkb: agreed | 19:43 |
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| mordred | I think we should just move both to stackforge | 19:44 |
| mordred | and if no one ever sends a patch - ok | 19:44 |
| jeblair | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gantt | 19:44 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I think we could generalize this to be gantt+melange. they're both exactly the same thing - thigns that used to be 'official' that are now no longer such things | 19:47 |
| jeblair | mordred: two subtle differences: | 19:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: 1) when did melange stop being official? | 19:48 |
| jeblair | mordred: 2) gant has people that want to work on it | 19:48 |
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| mordred | jeblair: agree. but I think the decision matrix of options is the same | 19:49 |
| jeblair | mordred: strangely, it's the fact that peoplo want to work on gantt that makes it seem like it should be in stackforge | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | to me | 19:49 |
| mordred | yeah | 19:49 |
| mordred | there is a potential weird bug in atc counting - btw | 19:50 |
| mordred | should we consider patches landed against gantt during the period where it was part of the nova program to count towards atc status in the absence of any other activity | 19:50 |
| jeblair | haha | 19:50 |
| mordred | so really - we need a star schema and data warehouse to be able to properly track ATC | 19:51 |
| jeblair | strictly speaking, probably so. but maybe that can just be handled on the level of individual complaints. | 19:51 |
| sdague | mordred: is there anyone who only has gantt commits? | 19:51 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I was about to suggest that, that would be my guess | 19:52 |
| sdague | just sanity check that | 19:52 |
| fungi | mordred: well, we did count it for the sake of this summit's free passes, but if we remove it from the programs/projects list in the governance repo it won't be counted on the next run (for elections, summit passes, whatever) | 19:52 |
| sdague | and if they all have a commit somewhere else, just ignore it | 19:52 |
| mordred | this is not a real problem | 19:52 |
| mordred | it's just me being me for a second | 19:52 |
| sdague | ah, a mord-troll | 19:52 |
| fungi | however it potentially becomes something we need to track if we get a real policy around it for future similar incidents | 19:53 |
| mordred | god. that soudns like a thing | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | it is now | 19:53 |
| jeblair | #startvote 1.1 1.2 2 3 | 19:53 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 19:53 |
| mordred | hahahahaahah | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | #startvote what do do with gantt 1.1 1.2 2 3 | 19:53 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 19:53 |
| jeblair | anyone remember how to use that? | 19:53 |
| clarkb | woah | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: yes commas iirc | 19:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | just add ? after the statement | 19:53 |
| clarkb | oh and ? | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | #startvote what do do with gantt? 1.1,1.2,2,3 | 19:53 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: what do do with gantt? Valid vote options are 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3. | 19:53 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:53 |
| jeblair | #endvote | 19:53 |
| clarkb | haahahahaha | 19:53 |
| openstack | Voted on "what do do with gantt?" Results are | 19:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | no commas | 19:53 |
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| mordred | jeblair: flatten the choice list | 19:54 |
| mordred | yah | 19:54 |
| clarkb | its splitting on not word | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | #startvote what do do with gantt? 1,2,3,4 | 19:54 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: what do do with gantt? Valid vote options are 1, 2, 3, 4. | 19:54 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:54 |
| jeblair | #vote 3 | 19:54 |
| mordred | #vote 3 | 19:54 |
| fungi | #vote 2 | 19:55 |
| clarkb | now I am on the fence | 19:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | shame on me, I don't understand what's the options are :( | 19:55 |
| fungi | SergeyLukjanov: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gantt | 19:55 |
| clarkb | #vote 2 | 19:55 |
| fungi | *linked earlier) | 19:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fungi, heh, thx | 19:55 |
| clarkb | that is consistent with what we have done in the past (though as jeblair points out there are some subtle differences) | 19:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote # | 19:56 |
| openstack | SergeyLukjanov: # is not a valid option. Valid options are 1, 2, 3, 4. | 19:56 |
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| fungi | part of what pushes me to #2 is that apparently the gantt devs need to completly reimport their content again anyway | 19:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #vote 3 | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | fungi: well, that would be the theoretical future openstack gantt, not the current one | 19:56 |
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| fungi | ohh... got it. in that case... | 19:57 |
| fungi | #vote 1 | 19:57 |
| jeblair | fungi: and that's really at the heart of why this is hard... | 19:57 |
| * fungi is an annoying dissenter | 19:57 | |
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| jeblair | fungi: if they just wanted to pause, we'd go with 1 no problem | 19:57 |
| clarkb | oh right people want to continue hackign on a thing | 19:58 |
| jeblair | fungi: but it's the idea that there's a team that still wants to work on it, and they might do something other than what nova would want to use in the future | 19:58 |
| clarkb | #vote 3 | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | fungi: so we have no idea whether we will want to let them drift off on their own thing, or actually use what they produce, or force-push a new thing on top of it or what. :( | 19:59 |
| * jeblair is annoyed when people can't see a mere 8 months into the future. | 19:59 | |
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| jeblair | sdague: vote? | 19:59 |
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| * jeblair sees a mess regarding gantt repos 8 months in the future | 20:00 | |
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| fungi | right. i think they probably need a new project in that case, which can be a new fork of this one or of nova or whatever they're interested in hacking on. but that's just my opinion | 20:00 |
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| jeblair | fungi: ok, that makes sense | 20:00 |
| sdague | jeblair: honstly, I'm looking at the options | 20:00 |
| jogo | so if gantt returns it shouldn't be using any of the existing code | 20:00 |
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| sdague | or where the options are in the bugger | 20:00 |
| sdague | buffer | 20:00 |
| lifeless | jeblair: they certainly can't do something different than nova will want | 20:00 |
| jeblair | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gantt | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: the whole proposition is to be what nova needs | 20:01 |
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| sdague | so ignore me, new meeting is on | 20:01 |
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| jeblair | #endvote | 20:01 |
| openstack | Voted on "what do do with gantt?" Results are | 20:01 |
| openstack | 1 (1): fungi | 20:01 |
| openstack | 3 (4): mordred, jeblair, SergeyLukjanov, clarkb | 20:01 |
| fungi | i'll go ahead and draft up a change for that to go with tomorrow's renames | 20:01 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think we should discuss more | 20:01 |
| fungi | fair enough | 20:02 |
| jeblair | and make room for the next meetig | 20:02 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 20:02:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-03-11-19.01.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-03-11-19.01.txt | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-03-11-19.01.log.html | 20:02 |
| markmc | thanks | 20:02 |
| markmc | roll up, roll up | 20:02 |
| jeblair | (because i'm not sure we've sussed out all the issues) | 20:02 |
| annegentle | make room, make room | 20:02 |
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| annegentle | :) | 20:02 |
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| mikal | Hi | 20:02 |
| jeblair | fungi: you've nearly convinced me on #1 | 20:02 |
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| russellb | o/ | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
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| lifeless | o/ | 20:02 |
| * dhellmann admires russellb's energy and flexibility | 20:03 | |
| markmc | jgriffith, markmcclain, mordred, sdague, ? | 20:03 |
| notmyname | hi | 20:03 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:03 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 20:03 |
| jgriffith | howdy | 20:03 |
| markmc | ok, that's 8 I think | 20:03 |
| markmc | 10 | 20:03 |
| markmc | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 20:03:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 20:03 |
| devananda | lifeless: o/ | 20:03 |
| markmc | tonight's agenda | 20:03 |
| markmc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
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| DinaBelova | o/ | 20:03 |
| markmc | first up is DinaBelova :) | 20:03 |
| markmc | #topic Climate incubation request | 20:03 |
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| bauzas | o/ (Climate core dev) | 20:03 |
| markmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-March/000548.html | 20:04 |
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| markmc | DinaBelova, maybe we could start by you summarizing the feedback you received on the thread so far? | 20:04 |
| DinaBelova | ok, cool | 20:04 |
| DinaBelova | so first of all, as I understood from ML this idea seems quite interesting to many people | 20:04 |
| DinaBelova | but the is one moment | 20:04 |
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| jeblair | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/028646.html | 20:04 |
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| DinaBelova | noticed by almost everyone | 20:05 |
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| DinaBelova | now there is no program that could accumulate CLimate idea | 20:05 |
| DinaBelova | and not only climate | 20:05 |
| DinaBelova | as I got from ML there is a good change that probably in future resource time management + scheduling + .. might have one program | 20:05 |
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| DinaBelova | so here you may see interest to create one program for climate, gantt, all other possible projects working with resources allocation/reclaiming | 20:06 |
| DinaBelova | speaking about requirements, Climate fit well | 20:06 |
| DinaBelova | problem is with place to set it OS - I mean gap in the program | 20:07 |
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| bauzas | Gantt is pretty young for standing by its own program | 20:07 |
| DinaBelova | it could be Reservation program for Climate - but it looks it's wrong way looking on comments | 20:07 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, I mean possibly :) | 20:07 |
| DinaBelova | as said in many comments | 20:08 |
| markmc | so the summary might be that a program scope based on reservations is too narrow | 20:08 |
| DinaBelova | markmc, it looks so | 20:08 |
| markmc | and you should attempt to collaborate with those interested in the wider scheduling area ? | 20:08 |
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| bauzas | we already began collaborating with Gantt | 20:09 |
| russellb | though gantt is pretty much dead right now ... the current work is back in nova | 20:09 |
| bauzas | at the moment, that's draft discssions | 20:09 |
| DinaBelova | well, I think that projects responsible for different scheduling types still should be different projects, but now it seems that there should be separated program for it | 20:09 |
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| russellb | i do think a scheduling program makes sense longer term, but we don't have a scheduler project that can fit there yet | 20:10 |
| russellb | but the people in the scheduler program could just coordinating with nova to help prepare for thta | 20:10 |
| bauzas | russellb: that's the idea we're following | 20:10 |
| russellb | ok | 20:10 |
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| bauzas | russellb: we're keeping track on what's happening with Gantt | 20:11 |
| bauzas | (I mean the forklift effort) | 20:11 |
| DinaBelova | so If Gantt is pretty much dead, we can start resource scheduling program with only Climate in it (scheduling == reservation) with possibility to consume more scheduling projects in future | 20:11 |
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| sdague | I think we've been talking about the need for a cross project scheduler for a while, that we should probably assume thats the direction things end up heading | 20:11 |
| markmc | if the scheduler work is going on in nova, would it make sense to add climate's idea of reservations to nova directly? | 20:11 |
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| russellb | markmc: i've been thinking about that | 20:11 |
| jgriffith | sdague: +1 | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | sdague: +1 | 20:11 |
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| sdague | markmc: that seems like a better idea than being separate | 20:11 |
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| dhellmann | I'd like to have our default answer stop being "add it to nova" | 20:11 |
| russellb | DinaBelova: what other resources does climate aim to do reservations for? | 20:12 |
| russellb | right now it just does VMs? | 20:12 |
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| markmc | dhellmann, let's equally not assume it's always the wrong answer, though | 20:12 |
| russellb | aside from the usual "please don't add more to nova" concern, why should we *not* implement this in nova? | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | markmc: sure | 20:12 |
| lifeless | I see reservations and scheduling as being tightly connecteed | 20:12 |
| DinaBelova | russellb, Vms and compute hosts. But in nearest future we're planning volumes and storage nodes reservation | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | markmc: but instances aren't the only things we need to schedule, are they? | 20:12 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I think that's fine, however it doesn't seem like we've got enough drive to get this thing stood up on it's own | 20:12 |
| jgriffith | russellb: actually it seems to me that if it even belongs it likely belongs in nova | 20:12 |
| markmcclain | russellb: seems that there a resources that aren't owned by nova one could reserve | 20:12 |
| markmc | dhellmann, instances aren't the only thing we have e.g. quotas or scheduling for, either | 20:12 |
| lifeless | you want to be able to describe a large topology and essentially schedule it across all APIs at once | 20:12 |
| jgriffith | but I'm struggling to see if there's a real need here, and how you actually do it succesfully | 20:13 |
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| DinaBelova | dhellmann, yes, we plan more different resources to reserve | 20:13 |
| lifeless | russellb: because cinder, neutron. | 20:13 |
| russellb | and if there are resources elsewhere, should the reservations be a part of the API that owns those resources? | 20:13 |
| annegentle | with orchestration being more prevalent, it seems useful to schedule across apis | 20:13 |
| russellb | should this be a type of thing we should be implementing in each API? | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | markmc: right, I said schedule :-) | 20:13 |
| lifeless | holistic scheduling and holistic reservations are pretty linked, no ? | 20:13 |
| jgriffith | It seems like this breaks existing limits/quota models | 20:13 |
| markmc | dhellmann, sorry, I read reserve :) | 20:13 |
| sdague | DinaBelova: I do think a bunch of what climate was proposing could just enhance nova today and be useful | 20:13 |
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| jgriffith | not that I'd be heart broken about that :) | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | and not putting it directly in nova doesn't mean making its own service -- it could be some shared library code | 20:14 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: heh | 20:14 |
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| russellb | jgriffith: right, quotas are located with the resources, so why not reservations? | 20:14 |
| markmc | dhellmann, +1 on "could be library code" | 20:14 |
| russellb | dhellmann: yes | 20:14 |
| markmc | dhellmann, it could evolve out of nova code, though | 20:14 |
| DinaBelova | sdague, idea of Climate is also to provide notifications about leases events, workflows (possibly using mistral) of how resources should be managed that time etc | 20:14 |
| markmc | dhellmann, question is more about where the REST API is exposed | 20:14 |
| sdague | so it seems like there are 2 different things going on | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | but it sounds like DinaBelova and the rest of the climate team are working with the other interested parties, and aren't really ready for incubation yet, is that right? | 20:14 |
| mikal | DinaBelova: how mature is climate? Do you have it working for any openstack project at the moment? | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | markmc: evolution could work, yes | 20:15 |
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| DinaBelova | sdague, that's why I don't really believe that this stuff should be placed in nova | 20:15 |
| sdague | 1) features that climate team wants beyond what's in nova today, which are mostly compute, which could be contributed to nova | 20:15 |
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| sdague | 2) and the global scheduler many of us want, that we are a ways away from | 20:15 |
| DinaBelova | mikal, yes, for Nova | 20:15 |
| jgriffith | Can we take a step back for a second | 20:15 |
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| russellb | let's not confuse this with the global scheduler either, which could quite likely be an internal only API | 20:16 |
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| jgriffith | There's a lot of mixed conversation about "global scheduler" here | 20:16 |
| sdague | jgriffith: agreed | 20:16 |
| jgriffith | I don't see anything in climate that suggests that as a goal | 20:16 |
| russellb | related, but separate | 20:16 |
| jgriffith | russellb: kinda | 20:16 |
| jgriffith | yeah | 20:16 |
| sdague | jgriffith: so that's probably true | 20:16 |
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| jgriffith | I'd like to focus on first does this even make sense? | 20:16 |
| bauzas | there are multiple concerns here | 20:16 |
| sdague | the push back was that this kind of service really needed to be done in concert with a scheduler to make sense | 20:16 |
| jgriffith | time based reservations of resources | 20:16 |
| jgriffith | sdague: maybe, but I see other problems | 20:17 |
| sdague | sure | 20:17 |
| russellb | the functionality makes sense i think | 20:17 |
| jgriffith | first being whehter the idea is even sound IMO | 20:17 |
| russellb | it's really just stepping back and figuring out where it actually fits and where it should live | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | jgriffith: it sounds like you have reservations about the idea | 20:17 |
| jgriffith | second being integration with existing quotas and limits as I mentinoed | 20:17 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: that's accurate | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | jgriffith: care to elaborate? | 20:18 |
| jgriffith | So firstly, I am trying to understand the value | 20:18 |
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| jgriffith | Is there real value in in this? | 20:18 |
| bauzas | the idea is that there are possibly mixed resource types that a lease can have | 20:18 |
| markmc | DinaBelova, I think I could summarize the value for jgriffith, but perhaps best if you do ? | 20:18 |
| jgriffith | I mean, the whole point is our resources are meant to be elastic | 20:18 |
| bauzas | like we should want to reserve a volume and boot on it | 20:19 |
| DinaBelova | markmc, ok | 20:19 |
| lifeless | jgriffith: elastic but exhaustible | 20:19 |
| markmc | value both for users and operators | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | lifeless: indeed | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | but I'd argue this makes that problem even worse | 20:19 |
| DinaBelova | jgriffith, idea is to potentionaly provide time based resource management to OS | 20:19 |
| lifeless | jgriffith: (ask any bm cloud operator :)) | 20:19 |
| jgriffith | so I have tenants with time based reservations | 20:20 |
| jgriffith | what happens when the "time" is up and they need resources | 20:20 |
| DinaBelova | jgriffith, so user will have opportunity just to reserve some reources in future, and cloud providers will know about future load picks to manage them correctly | 20:20 |
| jgriffith | how is this any different than today | 20:20 |
| sdague | jgriffith: time based reservations are really useful for things like HPC on openstack | 20:20 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: if your orchestration job doesn't fail until you run out of some resource that wasn't reserved, sad user | 20:20 |
| jgriffith | or do you false reserve? | 20:20 |
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| sdague | which a lot of folks are doing | 20:20 |
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| sdague | when time is up, they want those things shot in the head | 20:20 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: but I see it more in the quota arena really | 20:20 |
| DinaBelova | jgriffith, it depends on configuration - like create snapshots for all VMs and kill them later | 20:20 |
| jgriffith | sdague: no, I mean the other way around | 20:20 |
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| jgriffith | sdague: my understanding is they want to "reserve things for future use" | 20:21 |
| mikal | DinaBelova: so, looking at the prototype nova scheduler code for this makes me wonder. Why can't this just be expressed with aggregates? | 20:21 |
| lifeless | jgriffith: I think you are saying 'deploy the thing rather than reserving the right to deploy it' ? | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | jgriffith: do you mean when the time at the start of the reseration period comes? | 20:21 |
| DinaBelova | quota that's way to implement resource reservations, but not to manage them | 20:21 |
| sdague | jgriffith: yes, sure | 20:21 |
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| jgriffith | lifeless: dhellmann what I'm saying is: | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | one use case that was given was reserve a resource for usage at some time in the future | 20:21 |
| jgriffith | so I interpretted as: | 20:21 |
| DinaBelova | mikal, aggregates are only for compute reservations, but we target all types of resources | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | Hey... I need a medium instance on Monday | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | get ready... make sure I have it | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | I see nothing but trouble there | 20:22 |
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| jgriffith | Having expirations on resources I get | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | that's fine and easy enough IMO | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | but belongs in the project owning the resource | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | funny, expiration is the part I don't get :-) | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | dhellmann: LOL | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | just auto-delete so people don't hang on to things | 20:23 |
| markmc | (time check - need to switch topic in a couple of minutes, say at 25min past the hour) | 20:23 |
| jgriffith | but I wouldn't do that with Cidner | 20:23 |
| jgriffith | cinder | 20:23 |
| russellb | yeah the more i think about it, the more i find it very odd from the API consumer perspective to have to go to another API for this | 20:23 |
| jgriffith | evaporating data isn't going to make for happy users | 20:23 |
| sdague | jgriffith: it might | 20:23 |
| russellb | i think we should look in more detail at what integrating this into nova itself would look like | 20:23 |
| DinaBelova | we have idea to create reservations for diffrent resources types, so you'll have opportunity to prolong them all | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | russellb: or heat? | 20:23 |
| sdague | if they really need 20G for the next week | 20:23 |
| mikal | russellb: I agree. | 20:24 |
| sdague | to do some computation on | 20:24 |
| markmcclain | russellb: +1 | 20:24 |
| sdague | russellb: yeh, I think I agree | 20:24 |
| jgriffith | I'd also like to understand how it plays with the existing limit and quota modeal as I mentioned | 20:24 |
| devananda | it sounds like there also needs to be a discussion about non-compute resource scheduling | 20:24 |
| sdague | it should be nova enhancements until proven that it can't be | 20:24 |
| jgriffith | I think there's potential for significant conflicts | 20:24 |
| devananda | as DinaBelova keeps pointing out | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | devananda: +1 | 20:24 |
| sdague | jgriffith: I also agree this raises interesting problems with quota | 20:24 |
| jgriffith | devananda: ok, now we're talking scheduling again :) | 20:24 |
| * markmc tries to wrap up with a summary | 20:25 | |
| russellb | right, but i think it's just a common problem we have to solve across existing APIs | 20:25 |
| lifeless | jgriffith: russellb: the thing I think we haven't (as a group) figured out is how holistic /anything/ should fit in | 20:25 |
| lifeless | e.g. holistic scheduling, or holistic reservations, quotas etc. | 20:25 |
| sdague | but I actually think that will become more clear with a first implementation in nova | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | lifeless: I'd argue we've swung to the other extreme | 20:25 |
| lifeless | right here isn't the forum to figure that out | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | lifeless: service/project for EVERYTHING | 20:25 |
| markmc | #agreed climate developers encouraged to pursue their reservation ideas as an API addition to nova, explore tighter integration with future global scheduler | 20:25 |
| markmc | fair ? | 20:25 |
| russellb | yes | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | regardless of benefit | 20:25 |
| sdague | markmc: +1 | 20:25 |
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| jgriffith | markmc: yes... sorry | 20:25 |
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| lifeless | markmc: sounds fine for now; it doesn't make anything better or worse vis-a-vis future work AFAICT | 20:26 |
| markmc | cool | 20:26 |
| DinaBelova | well, it looks like we'll have further discussions here :) | 20:26 |
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| russellb | yep | 20:26 |
| russellb | we should have a cross project session on this in atl | 20:26 |
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| markmc | DinaBelova, sounds like everyone is very interested to dig deeper into the details of the concept | 20:26 |
| lifeless | we do need to figure out the story for big clusters with complex api deps so folk don't half-deploy 1000 machines before an error turns up | 20:26 |
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| DinaBelova | russellb, yes, please | 20:26 |
| markmc | DinaBelova, concept of reservations, I mean | 20:27 |
| lifeless | but like I say, thats orthogonal | 20:27 |
| annegentle | lifeless: +1 | 20:27 |
| DinaBelova | I think cross project session could help here | 20:27 |
| devananda | ++ to cross-project session on scheduling/reservations | 20:27 |
| DinaBelova | and how that might potentially work with global scheduling idea | 20:27 |
| DinaBelova | devananda, +1 | 20:27 |
| * markmc moves on | 20:27 | |
| markmc | #topic Savanna graduation review | 20:27 |
| markmc | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-February/000544.html | 20:27 |
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| markmc | SergeyLukjanov, you're up :) | 20:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm here ;) | 20:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-graduation-status | 20:28 |
| jeblair | s/Savanna/Sahara/ | 20:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | markmc, thx | 20:28 |
| markmc | SergeyLukjanov, care you summarize where you're at | 20:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, exactly | 20:28 |
| markmc | what's changed during incubation, what the TC's feedback was to your original application, how you've dealt with the feedback ? | 20:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're in the middle of renaming process, so, we'll release Savanna as Sahara in Icehouse | 20:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | markmc, the most feedback during the incubation was about the heat usage and clustering | 20:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heat integration was fully implemented | 20:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we're ready to amke it default for I release | 20:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (I think after renaming hell...) | 20:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re clustering it was discussed on summit with trove folks and it was decided to postpone this to the time when will have more porjects like trove and savanna | 20:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to better see the common part | 20:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | as for about graduation requirements | 20:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | as you can see in pad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-graduation-status we think that all of them solved | 20:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have a bunch of tests in tempest | 20:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and both sahara and it's client gating using them for several month | 20:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (voting) | 20:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | here are the logs from the mid cycle graduation review - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-14-20.02.html | 20:31 |
| markmc | SergeyLukjanov, on the async gate thing - how often do you see changes in other projects breaking sahara ? | 20:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | quote: Savanna is in good shape too, some concerns about lack of diversity in contributors but might be a reflection of a niche project (ttx, 20:50:17) | 20:31 |
| markmc | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-01-14-20.02.html | 20:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | markmc, we have jobs on devstack/tempest and d-g | 20:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and it never breaks us for the time we're gating | 20:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re diversity, I've make a note about this in pad | 20:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Currently we have 52% of commits from Mirantis and this number is decreasing well (it was 65% on the mid graduation review in Jan, just 1.5 month ago!) | 20:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and it was about 90% in time of incubating | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | nice | 20:33 |
| markmc | #link http://www.stackalytics.com/?release=icehouse&metric=commits&project_type=openstack&module=savanna-group&company=&user_id= | 20:34 |
| markmc | seems like a nice mix of developers and companies, and a fair amount of changes | 20:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | personally, I'm really happy that we're bringing folks from other ecosystems | 20:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like Hortonworks folks | 20:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to OpenStack eco | 20:34 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | re release process - ttx manage our release starting from i1 | 20:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | successfully for 3 release | 20:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | releases* | 20:35 |
| markmc | all very cool | 20:36 |
| markmc | any questions from tc members? | 20:36 |
| russellb | you guys seem like you've really had your act together | 20:36 |
| russellb | nice work | 20:36 |
| annegentle | Just a question while reading the API docs, why is there an EDP doc? What's EDP? I get HDP is Hortonworks Data Platform. | 20:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, the new name "Sahara" was verified and approved by Foundation lawyers | 20:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | russellb, thx | 20:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | annegentle, EDP == Elastic Data Processing | 20:36 |
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| sdague | yeh, agreed, the team has really stepped up | 20:36 |
| aignatov | annegentle: EDP is feature of Sahara | 20:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | annegentle, it's our codename for jobs/workloads management | 20:37 |
| aignatov | key component I'd say | 20:37 |
| jeblair | the savanna/sahara team has been on top of gating jobs, etc | 20:37 |
| russellb | elastic data processing right? | 20:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | russellb, exactly | 20:37 |
| sdague | honestly, I think from a QA perspective they've done everything that they can with out infrastructure until we have some real multinode infra | 20:37 |
| russellb | oh you said that sorry | 20:37 |
| aignatov | russellb: yes | 20:37 |
| sdague | "with our" | 20:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | annegentle, re api - our 1.1 API consists of 1.0 api + EDP stuff | 20:38 |
| annegentle | SergeyLukjanov: ok it'd be great to define that - not nitpicking at all, I think you've done a good job with docs | 20:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | annegentle, that's why 1.1 doc contains only new stuff | 20:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | annegentle, thx for tip, will do | 20:38 |
| jeblair | the savanna devstack jobs have indeed in place and functional for quite a while, and the team is really on board with all of our processes | 20:38 |
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| markmc | SergeyLukjanov, btw, you should propose a change to the openstack/governance repo to change status to integrated | 20:39 |
| jgriffith | I've taken it for a spin and it went fairly well | 20:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | markmc, will do | 20:39 |
| jeblair | sdague brings up a good point worth noting -- because of the poor support for multinode testing of heavy workloads, we aren't able to test all of sahara in the integrated gate at the moment | 20:39 |
| jgriffith | also have a good deal of feedback from customers using it so I'm good | 20:39 |
| jeblair | that's no fault of sahara's, and mirantis is filling in the gap with 3rd party ci | 20:39 |
| sdague | jeblair: they have augmented that with 3rd party CI | 20:39 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: but that also also applies to features of some integrated projects too | 20:39 |
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| mikal | jeblair: nova live migration for example | 20:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, sdague, we're threating savanna-ci as mandatory vote | 20:40 |
| sdague | markmcclain: sure, the point is from a judgement perspective they've done everything they can with our infrastructure | 20:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, sdague, additionally we're thinking about fake plugins that could be tested in the current gate | 20:40 |
| markmcclain | sdague: agreed | 20:40 |
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| sdague | which I'll consider sufficient, as they did everything they could | 20:40 |
| sdague | plus more, by adding 3rd party ci to fill in the gap | 20:40 |
| jeblair | yep, that's not a cricicism -- i'm just noting it, and agree that they've handled it well. | 20:40 |
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| markmc | ok, when SergeyLukjanov submits the governance review, we can vote | 20:41 |
| markmc | it's probably worth ttx bringing it up again next week, just to make sure there hasn't been feedback in the interim | 20:41 |
| markmc | and to give his release management feedback | 20:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jgriffith, Hortonworks are leaders in Hadoop ecosystem, so, the fact that they are one of three contribs is a significant mark IMO | 20:41 |
| markmc | but we're looking good, AFAICT | 20:41 |
| jgriffith | SergeyLukjanov: I'd agree with you | 20:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | markmc, it was a very good feedback from ttx on the mid cycle review | 20:42 |
| jeblair | markmc: i agree on both points | 20:42 |
| markmc | nothing else on sahara for now? | 20:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oh, one more question - should I squash renaming with graduation CRs or not? | 20:42 |
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| markmc | probably keep them separate | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | one thing: it looks like the API is built with flask, is that right? | 20:43 |
| markmc | not sure when ttx will feel it appropriate to merge the change to integrated | 20:43 |
| jeblair | yeah, i'm guessing we can quickly approve (or even just have ttx approve) the renaming ones | 20:43 |
| markmc | perhaps it happens early in the next cycle? | 20:43 |
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| markmc | i.e. sahara isn't integrated in icehouse | 20:43 |
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| markmc | so, get the renaming merged first | 20:43 |
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| annegentle | markmc: right | 20:43 |
| annegentle | we are queued up with reviews in the docs repos once the infra stuff is done | 20:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dhellmann, yup, Pecan/WSME will be used for v2 api (planned to J) | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | SergeyLukjanov: great, thanks for clarifying that | 20:44 |
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| markmc | ok, moving on | 20:44 |
| markmc | #topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Neutron | 20:44 |
| markmc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IcehouseProjectReviewNeutron | 20:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you all | 20:44 |
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| markmc | SergeyLukjanov, thank you | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | SergeyLukjanov: good work! | 20:44 |
| markmc | where were we on this? | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | it got bumped from the agenda last week, right? | 20:45 |
| markmcclain | as requested I've proposed a mission statement | 20:45 |
| markmc | AFAIR - discussing whether, nowadays, the TC would require neutron to make parity with nova it's first order of business before graduating ? | 20:45 |
| markmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/79744 | 20:45 |
| markmcclain | markmc: yea well I think we would require the project to spin out existing code vs starting from scratch | 20:46 |
| markmc | #info Neutron proposed mission - "To implement services and associated libraries to provide on-demand, scalable, and technology-agnostic network abstraction." | 20:46 |
| markmc | markmcclain, hmm, well we're not saying that to ironic | 20:46 |
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| markmcclain | ironic is a bit of different case | 20:47 |
| jgriffith | markmcclain: not sure I understand what you're saying? | 20:47 |
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| jgriffith | markmcclain: You mean spin out the the nova-network code somehow? | 20:47 |
| russellb | i think that's an implementation detail, we'd have to consider it case by case | 20:47 |
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| markmcclain | if we were to start neutron today.. following the cinder approach would be the preferred path | 20:48 |
| russellb | i think the answer to the question is "yes", IMO | 20:48 |
| markmcclain | that way you get parity from day 1 | 20:48 |
| jeblair | yeah, i don't really have an opinion on whether the code should be reused or not. i do hold the opinion that i think feature parity and compatability are important for a component that intends to deprecate an existing component. | 20:48 |
| sdague | jeblair: +1 | 20:48 |
| russellb | i think parity has to be goal #1 before adding *anything* else | 20:48 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: +1 | 20:48 |
| russellb | that's the key | 20:48 |
| jgriffith | jeblair: +1 | 20:48 |
| markmcclain | but from a time to success.. spinning out code and then iterating should be our preferred stance | 20:49 |
| jgriffith | so elephant in the room.... Is this going to happen in Juno? | 20:49 |
| markmc | or put it another way, graduating the new project should imply deprecating the old code ? | 20:49 |
| russellb | yes | 20:49 |
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| markmc | the issue we're having is where we have the new project, but the old code isn't deprecated yet ? | 20:49 |
| russellb | yes | 20:49 |
| jgriffith | markmc: that I understand and vote yes | 20:49 |
| sdague | markmc: yeh, graduating a new project that should include the deprecation of what it's intended to replace, imo | 20:50 |
| russellb | and i think we have graduation requirements changes in place now to explicitly avoid it from happening again | 20:50 |
| sdague | agreed | 20:50 |
| russellb | so that's good ... though question is, what do we do with the current case | 20:51 |
| markmc | russell, want to quote the one that covers it ? | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | that's the basic approach I expect we'll take with oslo libraries, too | 20:51 |
| russellb | sure | 20:51 |
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| russellb | paste bomb ... | 20:51 |
| russellb | * Scope | 20:51 |
| russellb | ** Project must not duplicate functionality present in other OpenStack projects, | 20:51 |
| russellb | unless the project has intentionally done so with the intent of replacing it. | 20:51 |
| russellb | ** In the case that a project has intentionally duplicated functionality of | 20:51 |
| russellb | another project, or portion of a project, the new project must reach a level | 20:51 |
| russellb | of functionality and maturity such that we are ready to deprecate the old | 20:51 |
| russellb | code and remove it after a well defined deprecation cycle. The deprecation | 20:51 |
| russellb | plan agreed to by the PTLs of each affected project, including details for | 20:51 |
| russellb | how users will be able to migrate from the old to the new, must be submitted | 20:51 |
| russellb | to the TC for review as a part of the graduation review. | 20:51 |
| jgriffith | russellb: at least you warned us | 20:51 |
| russellb | :) | 20:51 |
| markmc | deprecation plan agreed in order to graduate | 20:52 |
| markmc | plan might be a future one | 20:52 |
| markmc | we could just tighten that up a bit | 20:52 |
| markmc | but yeah, cool | 20:52 |
| russellb | yeah you're right | 20:52 |
| jgriffith | can we back up for a second if there's not something pressing here? | 20:52 |
| russellb | certainly was my intention that it's very concrete at that point | 20:52 |
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| jgriffith | We've got some cool general statements and ideals but I'm more curious about reality | 20:53 |
| russellb | as in, old thing is deprecated now and will be removed in X | 20:53 |
| markmc | jgriffith, we've only got 7 minutes, would be good to wrap up this neutron review | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | the reality is that we've all but deprecated nova-network already | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | markmc: ha | 20:53 |
| jgriffith | ok | 20:53 |
| russellb | jgriffith: that's not accurate | 20:53 |
| markmc | sounds like it's on topic | 20:53 |
| markmc | carry on | 20:53 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: not from a docs perspective at alll | 20:54 |
| russellb | we prematurely froze it, which caused problems, and dev is open again | 20:54 |
| markmc | but yeah, not accurate | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | russellb: ok... if that's not accurate I'm very confused because that was a concern/complaint several meeting ago by you | 20:54 |
| annegentle | jgriffith: nor from operators | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | ok | 20:54 |
| markmc | the perception that we have is causing massive confusion for users | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | fair enough | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | but... | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | my point is | 20:54 |
| sdague | jgriffith: I think this was sort of the point of the piece above | 20:54 |
| russellb | right, we more recently clarified that it's back open because of the problems | 20:54 |
| sdague | we did a very confused thing here | 20:54 |
| jgriffith | do we actually have an actionable plan and a deadline to finally put this to bed in Juno? | 20:54 |
| russellb | and the confusion all of this has caused is another part of the problem here | 20:54 |
| sdague | and confused our users and ourselves, so we both need to make sure it never happens again | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | what do we want to have happen? finish the feature parity work? | 20:55 |
| russellb | jgriffith: i think that's what we need to clarify right now :) | 20:55 |
| * jgriffith is tired of running two stacks :) | 20:55 | |
| sdague | and figure out how we move forward with neutron here | 20:55 |
| sdague | jgriffith: ++ | 20:55 |
| russellb | goal: resolve this in juno | 20:55 |
| russellb | but what if that doesn't happen? | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | russellb: can you restate that goal without using any pronouns? | 20:55 |
| jgriffith | neutron needs to be default, nova-net deprecated | 20:55 |
| markmcclain | so the biggest item left to tackle is multi-host | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | russellb: what is "this"? | 20:55 |
| markmcclain | we already have teams working on it for J | 20:55 |
| jgriffith | done.. move on in Juno IMO | 20:55 |
| sdague | markmcclain: there is also migration path | 20:55 |
| russellb | goal: get to where we can deprecate nova-network and have a clear migration path to neutron by juno | 20:55 |
| jgriffith | markmcclain: understood | 20:55 |
| jgriffith | I just want to actually have clear goals here | 20:56 |
| russellb | markmcclain: we've been saying that for several releases :( | 20:56 |
| jgriffith | and agreement from TC | 20:56 |
| markmcclain | sdague: so the migration path has flip-flopped over time | 20:56 |
| markmc | <russellb> but what if that doesn't happen? | 20:56 |
| sdague | and neutron is still in the half of integrated projects that doesn't do upgrade testing | 20:56 |
| markmc | this is gonna sounds bad, but worth discussing | 20:56 |
| jgriffith | markmc: I have a suggestion for that | 20:56 |
| markmcclain | now that it is back we're working on how to render the current constructs onto Neutron | 20:56 |
| russellb | markmc: i think we have to, yes ... | 20:56 |
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| sdague | which remains an issue for making that the default | 20:56 |
| markmc | why wouldn't we de-graduate until it was actually ready to deprecate ? | 20:56 |
| jgriffith | if it doesn't happen then we give up | 20:56 |
| annegentle | there's still a FFE for migration path for ML2 plugin I think | 20:56 |
| russellb | markmc: that's what i've been thinking | 20:56 |
| jgriffith | nova-network is the defacto networking project | 20:56 |
| markmcclain | sdague: I spoke with the owner of the grenade ticket | 20:57 |
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| markmcclain | he's working on tracking down why some services aren't cleanly shutting down | 20:57 |
| russellb | biggest concern is honestly PR, i think | 20:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fyi savanna renaming https://review.openstack.org/79765 and sahara graduation voting https://review.openstack.org/79766 | 20:57 |
| lifeless | jgriffith: ++ | 20:57 |
| sdague | markmcclain: I've been on that review and provided some feedback, it really looks stalled, fwiw | 20:57 |
| markmcclain | annegentle: the ML2 ticket is so that the neutron team can remove OVS and LB plugins from our tree | 20:57 |
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| lifeless | russellb: I think its more than PR | 20:58 |
| markmcclain | it did stall for a bit, but I spoke with him this morning about it | 20:58 |
| lifeless | russellb: if we degraduate that means neutron goes asymmetric gating, and thats a *terrible* position to be in. | 20:58 |
| annegentle | markmcclain: ok good-o | 20:58 |
| russellb | lifeless: we're already in a terrible position | 20:58 |
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| jgriffith | lifeless: +1 | 20:58 |
| lifeless | russellb: you're forever in chase mode, its driving devananda batty with Ironic, and TripleO batty with everything. | 20:58 |
| annegentle | markmcclain: (and that's more cross-project meeting talk really, sorry) | 20:58 |
| markmc | ok, we're almost out of time | 20:58 |
| russellb | but we could make an exception to the gating bit | 20:58 |
| markmcclain | lifeless: we're super close to running the full job | 20:58 |
| russellb | if necessary | 20:58 |
| jgriffith | russellb: so why make it worse or continue to suffer? | 20:58 |
| lifeless | russellb: we are, but we don't need to maek it worse. | 20:58 |
| markmc | frustrating, but we're still not done here | 20:58 |
| russellb | then make a gating exception | 20:58 |
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| markmc | anyone care to take this to a mailing list thread? | 20:59 |
| lifeless | the whole gating thing needs a revisit I think | 20:59 |
| markmc | or just re-schedule it for the next meeting? | 20:59 |
| russellb | markmc: i can start a thread | 20:59 |
| russellb | tomorrow probably | 20:59 |
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| markmc | russellb, thanks | 20:59 |
| jgriffith | markmc: I'd vote for next meeting, but not sure which portion of the topic exactly we want to talk about :) | 20:59 |
| russellb | np | 20:59 |
| jeblair | gating reflects our priorities, it shouldn't drive them. | 20:59 |
| jgriffith | thread it is :) | 20:59 |
| * markmc moves on quickly | 20:59 | |
| lifeless | jeblair: +1 | 20:59 |
| markmc | #topic Other governance changes | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other governance changes (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:59 | |
| markmc | 1) Remove gantt from Compute Program | 20:59 |
| markmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/79519 | 20:59 |
| markmc | 2) Add os-cloud-config to tripleo | 20:59 |
| markmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/79229 | 20:59 |
| markmc | 3) Add some REST API post-graduation requirements | 20:59 |
| markmc | #link https://review.openstack.org/68258 | 20:59 |
| markmc | #topic Open discussion | 21:00 |
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| markmc | 30 seconds ? | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | haha | 21:00 |
| markmc | anything pressing ? | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | oslo | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | ? | 21:00 |
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| markmc | ... | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | if you change things out of oslo to fix a bug please please please push a fix back to oslo | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | or make sure all theother projects are aware there's an issue | 21:00 |
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| jgriffith | Cinder spend signficant time yesterday on a known issue in the log.py module | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I've had a couple of cases this past week where folks had critical issues I didn't know about | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | spent | 21:01 |
| russellb | that should be -2'd by reviewers IMO... | 21:01 |
| markmc | jgriffith, "change things out of oslo" == commit to $project/openstack/common ? | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | russellb: it was in Nova | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | markmc: yeah | 21:01 |
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| russellb | >_< | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | markmc: yes! | 21:01 |
| markmc | bah, shouldn't happen | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | which in Cinder we promptly reject | 21:01 |
| russellb | yeah that was a review fail | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | the default for a logging format string | 21:01 |
| russellb | normally rejected | 21:01 |
| sdague | ok, so we're into next meeting :) | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | but it seems other projects don't follow that mantra | 21:01 |
| markmc | ok, outta time | 21:01 |
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| russellb | nova does (usually) | 21:01 |
| markmc | jgriffith, post to the list ? | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | yeah, this is a good topic for the project meeting | 21:01 |
| markmc | thanks | 21:01 |
| markmc | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 21:01:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-03-11-20.03.html | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-03-11-20.03.txt | 21:02 |
| jgriffith | markmc: will do | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-03-11-20.03.log.html | 21:02 |
| markmc | thanks everyone | 21:02 |
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| annegentle | thanks for chairing markmc | 21:02 |
| sdague | what topic does ttx normally use for the project meeting? | 21:02 |
| russellb | "project" i think | 21:02 |
| markmc | annegentle, np | 21:02 |
| markmc | yeah, project | 21:02 |
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| sdague | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 21:02:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 21:02 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:02 |
| sdague | ok, who do we have? | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:03 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:03 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:03 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:03 |
| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ProjectMeeting#Weekly_Project_meeting | 21:03 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 21:03 |
| sdague | agenda | 21:03 |
| sdague | I'm stand in ttx for the week | 21:03 |
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| lifeless | o/ | 21:03 |
| lifeless | moah meeting | 21:04 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:04 |
| sdague | we're now a week into the freeze, so want to make sure that the FFEs are under control (re: mostly done) | 21:04 |
| sdague | so lets see where we stand on those | 21:04 |
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| sdague | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-FFEs | 21:04 |
| russellb | nova FFEs in good shape, all merged except for ones that 1) intentionally left to the end, 2) basically bug fixes anyway | 21:04 |
| sdague | russellb: the event callback merged? | 21:05 |
| dansmith | no | 21:05 |
| sdague | so what's still open in that list? | 21:05 |
| russellb | but that's largely bug fix | 21:05 |
| russellb | yes | 21:05 |
| dansmith | waiting on the neutron side | 21:05 |
| stevebaker | sdague: the last heat commit is in the merge queue now | 21:05 |
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| sdague | stevebaker: can you mark the blueprints that are done there? | 21:05 |
| sdague | and which one is in queue | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | dansmith: we've run into bug in the gate that arosen is tracking down on that review | 21:05 |
| sdague | russellb: ok | 21:05 |
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| sdague | so the nova side done? | 21:06 |
| dansmith | markmcclain: okay | 21:06 |
| sdague | markmcclain: excepting the event interface, how are the rest of the FFEs? | 21:08 |
| russellb | sdague: except for one change that's blocked on the neutron bits | 21:08 |
| sdague | russellb: ok | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | sdague: they're progressing the v6 reviews are going through review iterations | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | I'm hoping we can get everything merged this week | 21:09 |
| sdague | markmcclain / russellb: when do we expect the event stuff to get merged? | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | events has been arosen's top priority | 21:11 |
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| sdague | markmcclain: so we really do need people to start focussing on bugs towards release. I'm concerned that it's going to draw way too much core time away if they are focussed on IPv6 blueprints at this point | 21:12 |
| sdague | markmcclain: what's the do or die deadline on that? | 21:13 |
| sdague | the IPv6 work that's still going | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | sdague: this week | 21:13 |
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| sdague | markmcclain: give me a more specific time :) | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | Euro Friday Morn | 21:14 |
| sdague | ok | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | v6 is complicated by 13hr difference between collaborators | 21:14 |
| sdague | sure | 21:15 |
| sdague | what about the other ones in your list? | 21:15 |
| sdague | jgriffith: also is olso.messaging in or out now? | 21:16 |
| jgriffith | sdague: in | 21:16 |
| russellb | i was hoping for that oslo.messaging, but when i checked yesterday, patch still didn't look ready | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | sdague: ml2 migration has two cores actively reviewing and on same target | 21:17 |
| jgriffith | russellb: sdague it landed yesterday evening | 21:17 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71873/ | 21:17 |
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| sdague | great | 21:41 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 21:41 |
| sdague | any other open discussion topics? | 21:41 |
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| sdague | for whoever is left on this side of the netsplit | 21:42 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 21:42 |
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| sdague | welcome back meeting bot | 21:42 |
| lifeless | yay split | 21:42 |
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| sdague | ok, going once... | 21:42 |
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| sdague | going twice... | 21:42 |
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| sdague | thanks folks, we'll cut it short today. | 21:43 |
| sdague | happy freeze everyone, and start diving into bugs! | 21:43 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 21:43:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-03-11-21.02.html | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-03-11-21.02.txt | 21:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-03-11-21.02.log.html | 21:43 |
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| yamahata | hi | 21:58 |
| yamahata | Is anybody there fore servicevm? | 21:59 |
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| yamahata | hello? is anybody there for servicevm meeting? | 22:01 |
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| yamahata | #startmeeting neutron/servicevm | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 11 22:02:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_servicevm' | 22:02 |
| yamahata | hello | 22:03 |
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| clarkb | yamahata: there have been recent netsplits and daylight savings time went into affect there may be confusion around those things | 22:03 |
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| yamahata | Ah, I see. So it seems like we would better to try the next week again? | 22:05 |
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| clarkb | yamahata: feel free to give it a shot today :) just pointing out why it may be quiet | 22:05 |
| yamahata | Agreed. | 22:06 |
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| yamahata | I'll summarize the status | 22:06 |
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| yamahata | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adv-services-in-vms | 22:08 |
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| yamahata | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/neutron-adv-svc-vm | 22:09 |
| yamahata | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+spec/message-proxy-server | 22:09 |
| yamahata | Those are related blueprints. | 22:09 |
| yamahata | The published patches are followings | 22:10 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56892/ | 22:10 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72068/ | 22:11 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77862/ | 22:12 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77863/ | 22:12 |
| yamahata | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72070/ | 22:12 |
| yamahata | The implementation provides the REST API and DB model | 22:13 |
| yamahata | It is work-in-progress to implement loadbalancer in VM with haproxy. | 22:14 |
| yamahata | openstack rpc is proxied to vm from openstack management network. | 22:15 |
| yamahata | Some patches by others are also being proposed. | 22:16 |
| yamahata | So the near term direction is | 22:17 |
| yamahata | - to make haproxy in vm work | 22:17 |
| yamahata | - to unit with other floating patches. | 22:17 |
| yamahata | - to look at other service other than loadbalancer. e.g. firewall | 22:18 |
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| yamahata | That's my quick summary. | 22:19 |
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| yamahata | any questions/comments? | 22:19 |
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| yamahata | I forgot to mention horizon. | 22:21 |
| yamahata | - to look at horizon | 22:21 |
| yamahata | The meeting agenda/minutes page is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceVM | 22:21 |
| yamahata | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ServiceVM | 22:21 |
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| yamahata | This week there aren't enough attendees, probably due to the change of daylight saving time | 22:23 |
| yamahata | So will try again the next week. | 22:23 |
| yamahata | bye | 22:23 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 22:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 22:24:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_servicevm/2014/neutron_servicevm.2014-03-11-22.02.html | 22:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_servicevm/2014/neutron_servicevm.2014-03-11-22.02.txt | 22:24 |
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