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| enikanorov | neutron lbaas meeting in a minute | 14:00 |
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| enikanorov | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 14:00:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
| obondarev | hi | 14:00 |
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| evgenyf | hi | 14:01 |
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| sballe | hi | 14:01 |
| s3wong | Hello | 14:01 |
| edhall | hi | 14:01 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy! | 14:01 |
| samuelbercovici | hi | 14:01 |
| enikanorov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS | 14:01 |
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| vjay | hi | 14:01 |
| enikanorov | here's the agenda | 14:01 |
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| enikanorov | i was expecting markmcclain to join to discuss the instance proposal once again | 14:02 |
| obondarev | seems he's not around | 14:02 |
| enikanorov | aldo i'm glad to have sbalukoff here who has some ideas on how to improve our object model | 14:02 |
| enikanorov | so while Mark is not here let's start with other items | 14:03 |
| enikanorov | let's start with L7 | 14:03 |
| sbalukoff | Ok | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: can we get an update on l7? may be avishay could join? | 14:03 |
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| samuelbercovici | avishay should be joining soon | 14:04 |
| obondarev | sbalukoff: do you want to join and review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61721/ which is the current proposal | 14:04 |
| avishayb_ | hi | 14:04 |
| samuelbercovici | lets start with SSL as evegenyf is already online | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | ok then | 14:05 |
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| samuelbercovici | i see that avishay has joined | 14:05 |
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| sbalukoff | obondarev: Sure; Not sure I can do that during this meeting, eh. | 14:05 |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: sure thing | 14:06 |
| samuelbercovici | lets take the instance discussion on ML if possible | 14:06 |
| obondarev | sbalukoff: I meant not during the meeting of course :) | 14:06 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: i think Mark had some particular concerns. As for instance discussion on ML i found that what sbalukoff is suggesting is mostly reflected by the proposed instance model | 14:07 |
| enikanorov | ok, evgenyf: want to update on SSL API/DB stuff | 14:08 |
| enikanorov | ? | 14:08 |
| samuelbercovici | ok. will add my comments in ML | 14:08 |
| evgenyf | new SSL patch is having all tests (REST, DB) and comments addressing. It doesn't pass the gate, having troubles with tempest test (create_vip), in process of fixing it | 14:08 |
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| enikanorov | evgenyf: i've briefly looked at those failures, it seems that currently ssl attributes are mandatory while they should not be | 14:09 |
| enikanorov | so regular non-ssl tests can't pass | 14:09 |
| evgenyf | had issue with other neutron unit test that failed when my tests were added. bug was opened, fixed as part of the patch | 14:09 |
| evgenyf | right | 14:09 |
| evgenyf | I guess the problem is with extended attributes | 14:10 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: did you get response on how to secure the AMQP traffic for HA proxy implementation? | 14:10 |
| evgenyf | enikanorov: anyhow, I'm on it | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: not much. I got response from russellb, that we could just use secure messaging | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | that's an option that doesn't require much of action from our side | 14:11 |
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| enikanorov | e.g. no specific code to care about security | 14:11 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: was markmcclain oj with this? | 14:11 |
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| samuelbercovici | oj==ok | 14:11 |
| enikanorov | he was not on the thread, i think in general the solution is the best, the only problem that infra is not using secure messaging and i'm not sure that is a typical deployment scenario | 14:12 |
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| enikanorov | secure messaging is configured at cloud level, not for particular process, i guess | 14:13 |
| enikanorov | so that puts lbaas into dependent position | 14:13 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: you have mentioned that mark mentioned security concerns. As far as I recall, all of them were around securing the channel. are u aware on any other ocncerns? | 14:13 |
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| enikanorov | well, i think the concern is mostly theoretical: we need to design security features carefully and put more effort into it | 14:14 |
| iwamoto | I had an impression that secure messaging stuff has a long way to go. Is there remarkable progress recently? | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | i didn't have a chance to discuss it with him in more details | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | You could always do a public key exchange across the rabbit queue for sending encrypted messages. This would secure the message from eavesdroppers who do have access to the queue. But that seems like a lot of work when the real solution should be to secure the channel. | 14:15 |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: yes, that is an option that would require us to write that additional code | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. No thank you. :) | 14:16 |
| enikanorov | that's kinda what we'd like to avoid :) | 14:16 |
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| samuelbercovici | iwamoto: do you have more specific details on issues on exisitng capabilities? | 14:17 |
| enikanorov | meanwhile i've started to work on cli for ssl | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | Does anyone know how far off delivery of an encrypted rabbit queue is in reality? | 14:17 |
| samuelbercovici | sbalukoff: +1 and also for other implementations | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | It might be the only option available to us if we want to securely deliver SSL before then. | 14:18 |
| samuelbercovici | 0mq for example | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | Oh yes-- there are a lot of reasons the queue should be secured in general. | 14:18 |
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| sbalukoff | So, whose chain can we rattle to get progress on getting a secure rabbit queue? | 14:19 |
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| enikanorov | sbalukoff: afaik there is a guide on how to set it up for the openstack | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! Ok, so cloud admins have the capability of delivering this already? | 14:21 |
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| enikanorov | http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/content/ch038_transport-security.html | 14:21 |
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| sbalukoff | Then? well, it seems like cheating but we could carry forward with SSL and put a huge warning label on it that says 'DO NOT USE UNLESS YOU HAVE A SECURE RABBIT QUEUE' eh. | 14:22 |
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| sbalukoff | (Sorry, I got the impression from iwamoto's statement above that secure messaging wasn't going to be a possibility any time soon.) | 14:22 |
| enikanorov | i had an impression that that's what we don't want to do | 14:22 |
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| enikanorov | ok, let's move forward | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | L7 | 14:23 |
| sbalukoff | Huh. Ok. Is it possible for us to detect whether the queue is secured and return errors if SSL operations are attempted with an insecure queue? | 14:23 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 14:23 |
| enikanorov | avishayb_: obondarev: hi | 14:24 |
| obondarev | ok returning to L7: I left some comments on the review, would be great if anybody could also join, as now it seems only a discussion between Avishay and me :) | 14:24 |
| avishayb_ | hi | 14:24 |
| avishayb_ | I will post some question in ML - so it will not be just the 2 of us :-) | 14:25 |
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| sbalukoff | obondarev: One note on that: Did you see the mailing list traffic on this subject over the last few days? | 14:25 |
| iwamoto | samuelbercovici, sbalukoff: I thought we were talking about bp trusted-messaging | 14:25 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: yeah, sure | 14:25 |
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| sbalukoff | I should probably clarify my intent with what I've been saying there: I think there's a difference between reviewing at the code level and reviewing at a design level. I also think it's more important to get the design right before getting the code right. This is why I've been concentrating on the design level. | 14:26 |
| obondarev | sbalukoff: fair enough | 14:27 |
| avishayb_ | L7: while Oleg review the patch, I am adding support for ordering the L7plicies for a vip. | 14:27 |
| avishayb_ | *policies | 14:27 |
| sbalukoff | So, while I've seen that review link previously, I have not yet dove into the code because I think a design-level discussion is more appropriate first. :) | 14:27 |
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| sbalukoff | (Unless I'm totally mistaken here-- I don't see a good way to hold a design-level discussion using the review link you gave.) | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | And please forgive my newbishness: I'm still figuring out how the whole blueprint system works. | 14:28 |
| samuelbercovici | sbalukoff: yes, design level discussions would be mostly appreciated | 14:28 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: so do you have any major concerns on the current design? | 14:29 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, after our last bit of correspondence, the one I have has to do with the default pool stuff. And I'd like a clarification: Are the features we're discussing with L7 slated for icehouse, or for Juno? | 14:29 |
| sbalukoff | (Otherwise, the L7 design seems good to me.) | 14:30 |
| sballe | obondarev, could you give me a pointer to the design/blueprint? | 14:30 |
| obondarev | sballe: sure, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/l7 | 14:31 |
| sballe | obondarev, THX | 14:31 |
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| obondarev | one concern that I have currently is whether we should define a closed set of l7 rule types, compare types and l7 policy actions | 14:32 |
| enikanorov | i've not managed yet to look over l7 discussion on ML, i'll join it as well | 14:32 |
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| sbalukoff | obonarev: Aah! Yes, deciding what L7 rules we'll support and in what format is important. For what it's worth, the model proposed would cover the 90% use case of our customer base, so I have less concerns there. | 14:33 |
| sbalukoff | obodarev: Do you have a specific rule in mind that would not fit the mold as proposed? | 14:33 |
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| obondarev | sbalukoff: I just want all types be defined as constants | 14:34 |
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| obondarev | the model is fine | 14:34 |
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| obondarev | for example we have a closed set for health monitors types | 14:35 |
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| obondarev | so for l7 I wand kind of same approach | 14:35 |
| sbalukoff | Seems reasonable to me. | 14:36 |
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| enikanorov | ok, any more questions to discuss on l7? | 14:37 |
| avishayb_ | lets dive into the details in the ML - I will present the types and the optional values there. | 14:37 |
| sbalukoff | Does anyone have that clarification: Is the L7 proposal we're discussing for Icehouse or Juno? | 14:37 |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: Icehouse | 14:37 |
| obondarev | avishayb_: thanks! | 14:37 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so we're going to get this in before the 18th? Cool. | 14:37 |
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| enikanorov | we're trying | 14:38 |
| obondarev | we don't need to merge it till 19th | 14:38 |
| sbalukoff | (I still think we need a better solution to the default pool problem.) | 14:38 |
| obondarev | 18th* | 14:38 |
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| obondarev | 18th is proposal deadline | 14:38 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 14:38 |
| samuelbercovici | sbalukoff: already have the api in review, we need the ha proxy code to be committed before 18th. | 14:39 |
| obondarev | that's a challenge :) | 14:39 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: afaik, the code needs to be commited by 18th, then we can have a few more weeks to get it approved | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | posted on gerrit, you mean | 14:39 |
| enikanorov | yes, that's correct | 14:40 |
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| samuelbercovici | so wee need a code mybe still wip for ha proxy by 18 feb | 14:40 |
| samuelbercovici | correct? | 14:40 |
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| enikanorov | exactly | 14:40 |
| obondarev | I'll try to get something for haproxy untill 18th | 14:41 |
| samuelbercovici | now, the last items would be cli and horizon support. | 14:41 |
| obondarev | and we should agree on the final l7 design asap | 14:41 |
| samuelbercovici | horizon might not be mandatory | 14:41 |
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| enikanorov | i can take the cli part as well | 14:42 |
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| samuelbercovici | so the goal is to have all moving part with initial commit by 18th feb\ | 14:42 |
| enikanorov | i think for the cli there is no such deadline | 14:42 |
| samuelbercovici | can we try and do the same for SSL? | 14:42 |
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| enikanorov | samuelbercovici: no, i don't think so, the feature is more complex and harder to test | 14:43 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov: can you check with the power at be :-) | 14:43 |
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| samuelbercovici | about the cli | 14:43 |
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| enikanorov | yes, I'll ask | 14:43 |
| enikanorov | i think client patches are simpler and don't require much discussions | 14:44 |
| obondarev | what I want to mention here is that even if we propose everything we want untill 18th this would'n mean that core reviewers will have enough time to review all of the patches | 14:44 |
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| obondarev | I'm even not speaking about merging here | 14:45 |
| samuelbercovici | obondarev: i have seen that you got nominated to core. is it approved? | 14:45 |
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| obondarev | voiting will last till Saturday | 14:45 |
| samuelbercovici | ok, you hopefully be one. and then we go hunting for a 2nd | 14:46 |
| obondarev | hah :) | 14:46 |
| obondarev | I don't think everything is so easy here :) | 14:47 |
| samuelbercovici | samuelbercovici: i am optimistic by nature | 14:47 |
| enikanorov | ok. let's hope for the best | 14:47 |
| obondarev | good for you :) | 14:47 |
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| enikanorov | any other items to discuss? | 14:48 |
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| s3wong | Is haproxy HA going to be ready for Icehouse? | 14:48 |
| obondarev | s3wong: I don't think so | 14:48 |
| enikanorov | s3wong: no | 14:49 |
| obondarev | it will be planned for Juno | 14:49 |
| s3wong | obondarev: OK | 14:49 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok.. er.. that's sort of a contradiction of what I asked above. But Ok, that's the clarification I was after. :) | 14:49 |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: can you explain? | 14:50 |
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| sbalukoff | Oh, sorry, I asked whether the L7 proposal we were discussing was for Icehouse or Juno. | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | You said Icehouse. | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | Then just now, we're saying L7 won't be ready for Icehouse. | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | Sorry, misread. | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | Nevermind-- you were just talking about HA. | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | D'oh! My bad! | 14:51 |
| obondarev | well, the last item we were discussing is haproxy HA | 14:51 |
| obondarev | ok | 14:51 |
| sbalukoff | Carry on! | 14:51 |
| enikanorov | sbalukoff: l7 was initially planned for I, that's why we actively working on it right now | 14:51 |
| enikanorov | realistically it still has low chances to get in I | 14:51 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, well, I certainly don't want to delay that work. | 14:52 |
| sballe | I am trying to find all the designs and I am having trouble navigating the Wiki. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS seems out of date. | 14:52 |
| sbalukoff | The L7 model as proposed is a huge step in the right direction. | 14:52 |
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| sballe | How do I find the latest designs? I have found l7 and SSL but not sure where to fidn the rest | 14:52 |
| obondarev | sballe: did you try to search blueprints first? | 14:53 |
| enikanorov | sballe: in addition to the wiki page you can use etherpad page | 14:53 |
| enikanorov | let me find the link | 14:53 |
| sballe | yes I have all the blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron?searchtext=lbaas | 14:53 |
| enikanorov | sballe: etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-neutron-lbaas | 14:53 |
| obondarev | sballe: usually blueprints have links to designs | 14:53 |
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| enikanorov | sballe: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-neutron-lbaas | 14:53 |
| sballe | thx | 14:53 |
| sballe | I will get to the designs that way :-) | 14:54 |
| obondarev | sballe: you can also be a volunteer to bring main LBaaS wiki up to date :) | 14:55 |
| obondarev | just kidding :) | 14:55 |
| sballe | :) | 14:55 |
| enikanorov | no, really, you can be! | 14:55 |
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| sballe | let me think about it. :) | 14:55 |
| enikanorov | ok, let's wrap up then if there's no more items to discuss | 14:55 |
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| enikanorov | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks y'all1 | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 14:56:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-13-14.00.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-13-14.00.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-02-13-14.00.log.html | 14:56 |
| enikanorov | thanks for joining everyone | 14:56 |
| obondarev | bye everyone! | 14:56 |
| enikanorov | see you | 14:56 |
| evgenyf | bye | 14:56 |
| s3wong | Thanks | 14:56 |
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| sballe | bye | 14:56 |
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| samuelbercovici | bye | 14:57 |
| edhall | bye | 14:57 |
| sbalukoff | Seeya! | 14:57 |
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| ttx | o/ | 16:00 |
| gothicmindfood | o/ | 16:00 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 16:01 |
| cody-somerville | Hey folks | 16:02 |
| ttx | let's wait a bit for more participants | 16:02 |
| cody-somerville | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
| openstack | cody-somerville: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 16:02 |
| cody-somerville | #startmeeting Storyboard Weekly Meeting | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 16:02:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cody-somerville. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard_weekly_meeting' | 16:02 |
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| cody-somerville | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Meeting | 16:02 |
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| cody-somerville | #topic MVP0 progress | 16:06 |
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| cody-somerville | gothicmindfood: ^^ | 16:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 16:09 |
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| gothicmindfood | well, reading backlog in #storyboard at the moment from the overnight work... | 16:09 |
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| gothicmindfood | SergeyLukjanov + NikitaKonovalov - care to chime in on where we are with auth stuff? | 16:10 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | those auth protocols are mindblowing, when you hit an "Unknown error" | 16:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | gothicmindfood, IIRC NikitaKonovalov is near to impl openid part | 16:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 16:11 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | yes, I finally got the openid part working | 16:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so the change is comming soon to both client and server | 16:12 |
| gothicmindfood | awesome! | 16:12 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | next thing on the list is to make Oauth part work on client and server sides | 16:13 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | since I'm new to all that local browser storage stuff, that may take some time to make things work properly | 16:14 |
| gothicmindfood | ok - is there anything that's changed from the specs up at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryboardAuth ? | 16:14 |
| gothicmindfood | (just so I can keep tabs on anything that's come up and changed our plan while krotscheck is away) | 16:15 |
| cody-somerville | I thought we were going to use OpenID Connect vs. OAuth? | 16:15 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | OpenId connect is an Oauth implementation which says "what the user can do", but not "who the user is" | 16:16 |
| gothicmindfood | I think OpenID connect uses OAuth, right? | 16:16 |
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| cody-somerville | How confusing. | 16:17 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | to tell "who the user is" we use OpenId (launchpad provider) | 16:17 |
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| gothicmindfood | http://openid.net/connect/ | 16:17 |
| cody-somerville | Wish I could have accessed that while we were at the sprint, lol. | 16:17 |
| cody-somerville | Anyhow, anything more on this topic? We're now past 1/4th mark in the meeting. :) | 16:18 |
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| gothicmindfood | I don't think so - we seem to be moving along, but I know ruhe mentioned a big roadblock has been a lack of reviews | 16:18 |
| cody-somerville | I'm going to fix that by hiring some more folks, lol. | 16:18 |
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| cody-somerville | #topic Single or dual repositories ? | 16:19 |
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| ttx | did we decide on whether we'd go long term with one or two repos ? | 16:20 |
| ttx | because we have requests to add storyboard-webclient to the list of openstack infra projects | 16:20 |
| ttx | and I'd rather not accept that if we are going to merge the two repos tomorrow | 16:20 |
| gothicmindfood | I think jeblair and mordred probably had the most feedback on that. | 16:20 |
| ttx | the main argument for it was, iirc: ability to land client and serverside chanegs in on e go | 16:21 |
| mordred | what did I do? | 16:21 |
| ttx | the main argument against it was, iirc: mixed core reviewers team | 16:21 |
| cody-somerville | I'm in favour of keeping them separate. | 16:21 |
| gothicmindfood | mordred: thoughts on 1 vs 2 repos for storyboard. | 16:21 |
| mordred | I believe that what we were going to do was explore combined pip/grunt toolchain as a poc in the zuul repo | 16:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | as for me, the only possible proble is to keep everything in sync | 16:22 |
| mordred | with teh other things on our plate, I'd rather not rework the tooling that's currently in place and working until we have an actual answer for a next thing | 16:22 |
| gothicmindfood | so we're keeping them at 2 for at least a while, ttx (sounds like) | 16:23 |
| ttx | ok. thanks! all I needed to know | 16:23 |
| ttx | next topic :) | 16:23 |
| jeblair | agreed on 2 | 16:24 |
| jeblair | (i had some arguments in favor of 1, but on futher exploration, i think 2 will be better in the long run, particularly if we treat both as separate python-based deliverables) | 16:24 |
| cody-somerville | #agreed on keeping two repositories for now - api server and web client. | 16:24 |
| jeblair | (but we should still experiment on zuul) | 16:24 |
| cody-somerville | #topic Blocked reviews ? | 16:25 |
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| ttx | I feel like I've been reviewing consistently recently, but in most cases I only +2d, not +2/APRVd | 16:26 |
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| ttx | do we have a review bottleneck ? | 16:26 |
| ttx | should we attach mordred to the review chair ? | 16:26 |
| * cody-somerville grins. | 16:27 | |
| mordred | I need to review - I've been in a 3-day meeting | 16:27 |
| mordred | sorry | 16:27 |
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| * gothicmindfood thinks the review chair sounds better than the 3-day meeting chair | 16:27 | |
| ttx | do we need another +2 ? | 16:27 |
| gothicmindfood | :) | 16:27 |
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| cody-somerville | Let's continue to monitor the situation. | 16:28 |
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| cody-somerville | #topic Brainstorm on statuses (StoryBoard/Story_Status) | 16:28 |
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| cody-somerville | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Story_Status | 16:29 |
| ttx | So I started brainstorming around the need for story statuses | 16:29 |
| gothicmindfood | I dig the workflow up there from Glance/Drivers | 16:29 |
| ttx | mostly due to markwash posting https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance/Drivers | 16:29 |
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| ttx | I think his states make sense, but i wish we didn't have any status | 16:30 |
| ttx | because if a human needs to set them, they will end up wrong | 16:30 |
| ttx | or maybe we should have them only on the features side | 16:30 |
| ttx | or maybe we can design priorities in such a way that they encapsulate our needs for status | 16:31 |
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| ttx | that's step 0 of the discussion, if you have thoughts, please add them to that page | 16:31 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm curious - what do we think statuses give us? | 16:31 |
| ttx | We have task-level statuses that are linked to the state of the corresponding change in gerrit | 16:31 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: see user stories at the top | 16:32 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: what are the task level statuses? | 16:32 |
| ttx | Todo, Under review, Merged | 16:32 |
| ttx | that way they are automartically set in 99% of the cases | 16:32 |
| ttx | story-level statuses are used for approval of the whole idea, basically. | 16:33 |
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| gothicmindfood | ttx: so, PTLs etc. need to approve features right now before they can land? | 16:33 |
| NikitaKonovalov | well, at least story-level statuses ("New", "Partially done", "Completed") might also be set automatically | 16:33 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: they try to, yes | 16:33 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: except LP makes that tracking a bit miserable | 16:33 |
| cody-somerville | I thought the story-level status would be determined automatically based on task-level statuses | 16:33 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: is there a reason they approve at the feature level and not the task level? | 16:34 |
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| ttx | cody-somerville: they want to automatically block reviews that are not attached to an approved story, basically | 16:34 |
| ttx | (at least on the feature side) | 16:34 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: that's a good question | 16:34 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: let me expand on that | 16:34 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: feature stories can have multiple tasks affecting the same project, or multiple projects | 16:35 |
| ttx | in the case of multiple tasks affectig the same project, you actually want to approve them in bulk. The story is good for your project or not. | 16:35 |
| ttx | in the case of tasks affecting separate projects though... you can't really have story-level approval, because each project PTL might have a different opinion | 16:36 |
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| gothicmindfood | ttx: but in the case of tasks underneath a feature belonging to different projects.... EXACTLY. | 16:36 |
| gothicmindfood | this is what I was getting at over on priority page | 16:36 |
| ttx | which is why I think we actually need to explore alternative ways of expressing that | 16:36 |
| gothicmindfood | (I think) (I'm also tired) | 16:36 |
| cody-somerville | I'd like to suggest that we don't try to support this use case for now. | 16:36 |
| cody-somerville | It's... messy. | 16:37 |
| ttx | and we may want to brainstorm on priority first | 16:37 |
| gothicmindfood | I am leaning towards the idea that maybe story status doesn't really give us much | 16:37 |
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| gothicmindfood | in teh way of useful or actionable information | 16:37 |
| ttx | cody-somerville: oh it's not URGENT. It's just one of the two big open design areas we need to brainstorm on | 16:37 |
| ttx | just wanted to raise the topic to start making you think about it | 16:37 |
| ttx | we can move on, we won't solve it today ;) | 16:38 |
| gothicmindfood | if OS was the kind of group that enforced story status as a workflow assignment mechanism, I could see it being useful, but... we'll have to continue to hash it out before I think a case is made. :) | 16:38 |
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| cody-somerville | #topic Brainstorm on priorities (StoryBoard/Priority) | 16:38 |
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| ttx | so that's the other big open area | 16:39 |
| cody-somerville | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Priority | 16:39 |
| ttx | I tried to come up with a list of ways priority could be implemented | 16:39 |
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| ttx | I see some questions in there, i'll try to answer them | 16:40 |
| ttx | how does the "official" priority get set when multiple groups have different priorities for the same story? | 16:40 |
| gothicmindfood | yeah, that was mine | 16:41 |
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| ttx | each task is attached to one project. Project has PTL who defines official prio | 16:41 |
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| ttx | that's task-level priority | 16:41 |
| gothicmindfood | so at the story level, how does that play out? | 16:41 |
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| ttx | there is no story priority. | 16:42 |
| gothicmindfood | ok | 16:42 |
| gothicmindfood | that was me misunderstanding, then. | 16:42 |
| ttx | about kanban-style boards requiring a universal process: i don't think that's the case. You don't have to all have the same columns | 16:42 |
| ttx | you shoudl actually pick columns that make sense for your process | 16:42 |
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| cody-somerville | I'd like to suggest that we go with simple priorities to start with. | 16:42 |
| gothicmindfood | cody-somerville: I agree. | 16:42 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | and what about Launchpad "heat" do we need something like that? | 16:43 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm curious about how multi-dimensional would work | 16:43 |
| NikitaKonovalov | not a priority | 16:43 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: it's pretty useless | 16:43 |
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| gothicmindfood | but I think it should be introduced based on a need, not because we're playing around with it :) | 16:43 |
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| persia | Simple priorities quickly devolve to arguments and procedurism if folk have differing opinions about something (maybe PTL can squash this, using procedures from Malone, but ...) | 16:44 |
| cody-somerville | persia! | 16:44 |
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| ttx | gothicmindfood: the need is described in the user stories. We need to express some priority or ranking, and multiple stakeholders have different priorities | 16:45 |
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| gothicmindfood | ttx: I meant the kanban stuff, not the rest :) | 16:45 |
| ttx | the kanban-style view is just saying each stakeholder can have multiple priority views, instead of just one. | 16:45 |
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| ttx | (it's not a real kanban, basically. it doesn't map to a production process. | 16:46 |
| gothicmindfood | so, my inclination is just to wait for the ask from project xyz and until then build the simple priority. | 16:46 |
| ttx | anyway, will brainstorm more. Thoese pages were just meant to trigger your interest | 16:47 |
| persia | For those planning to implement: what is the difference in effort between parallel and multi-dimensional? | 16:47 |
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| ttx | persia: paralell would be one priority view per group or person | 16:47 |
| persia | ttx: Right. | 16:47 |
| ttx | multi-dimensional would allow multiple priority views per group or person. | 16:48 |
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| persia | My thought is that for MVP, it makes sense to only have parallel, and then move to multi-dimensional when someone is unhappy with parallel, unless switching is expected to be too painful | 16:48 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: interestingly enough, currently we use a mix of milestone targeting and priority to express priority | 16:48 |
| ttx | I would also like to fix that. | 16:48 |
| persia | That said, if multi-dimensional is easy to implement, no point doing parallel first | 16:48 |
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| gothicmindfood | ttx: explain how that works, now with milestone targeting and priority. | 16:49 |
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| ttx | gothicmindfood: we sue milestone targeting to designate a subset of important tasks (bugs and features) to complete for a milestone | 16:49 |
| ttx | use* | 16:49 |
| ttx | then we use priority to rank them | 16:49 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: and who designates the milestone targeting, the PTL? | 16:49 |
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| ttx | gothicmindfood: anyone can, which is a problem | 16:50 |
| gothicmindfood | ha. yes. I can see that. | 16:50 |
| ttx | so we use tricks (like setting a priority on the blueprint) to make it "approved" | 16:50 |
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| ttx | in a priority-only view, you would just add tasks to a specific list and rank them. | 16:51 |
| ttx | things not on the list don't need to be ranked. | 16:51 |
| gothicmindfood | right - I'm just wondering who sets the priority here | 16:52 |
| ttx | that's useful. setting a priority is not very useful. | 16:52 |
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| gothicmindfood | and if that's a restricted group of some kind | 16:52 |
| ttx | yes, that would be the "drivers", in connection with release management | 16:52 |
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| ttx | basically the PTLs and their delegates | 16:52 |
| ttx | anyway, we are abusing the meeting to brainstorm | 16:53 |
| ttx | maybe we should move to open discussion | 16:53 |
| gothicmindfood | ha. ttx: I will send you an email TODAY to schedule more time to actually brainstorm | 16:53 |
| ttx | ack | 16:53 |
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| ttx | I need to think more about how that could work. | 16:54 |
| ttx | I'd like it to be simple and flexible | 16:54 |
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| ttx | the drawback of prioritization is that it relies on the fact everything is triaged | 16:55 |
| cody-somerville | Any other comments on this topic? | 16:55 |
| ttx | whereas the list approach is all about selecting tasks that matter to you | 16:55 |
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| ttx | so it can be reused for targeting work to a given milestone, and also to follow tasks that matter to you | 16:55 |
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| cody-somerville | #topic Any Other Business | 16:56 |
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| ttx | cody-somerville: i'm reluctant to add basic priorities, because I fear we actually don't want priorities at all, basically | 16:56 |
| cody-somerville | ttx: I was pondering the same thing. | 16:56 |
| ttx | we want worklists | 16:57 |
| cody-somerville | I'd like to propose that folks add their IRC nick next to items they add to the agenda. | 16:57 |
| persia | Sorted worklists? | 16:57 |
| ttx | persia: they would be sorted. But then the oredr might mean something or not mean something | 16:57 |
| ttx | depdending on what the list is about :) | 16:58 |
| persia | Perfect! | 16:58 |
| ttx | damn, typo hour | 16:58 |
| ttx | persia: I like it too. It's elegant. Just need to doublecheck it actually makes sense :) | 16:58 |
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| ttx | cody-somerville: +1 for adding names. Will do next time :) | 16:59 |
| persia | Doesn't scale to long lists, but long lists aren't usually interesting in terms of priority | 16:59 |
| ttx | persia: right | 16:59 |
| cody-somerville | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 16:59:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard_weekly_meeting/2014/storyboard_weekly_meeting.2014-02-13-16.02.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard_weekly_meeting/2014/storyboard_weekly_meeting.2014-02-13-16.02.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard_weekly_meeting/2014/storyboard_weekly_meeting.2014-02-13-16.02.log.html | 16:59 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 17:00:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
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| mtreinish | who's here today? | 17:00 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 17:00 |
| marun | hi | 17:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 17:01 |
| andreaf | hi | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | sdague, dkranz, mkoderer: are you guys around? | 17:01 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: here | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | well let's get started | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Removing nose support (mtreinish) | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | So I'm not sure veryone saw but I have the patch up that will actively prevent running tempest with nose | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72040/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | this doesn't mean that py2.6 isn't supported just that nose can't be used | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | and it doesn't really work right now anyway | 17:03 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: sry I am late | 17:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So why not fix the py26 in tox.ini rather than remove it? | 17:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: to use testr | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: using testr there is no difference between py2.6 and py2.7 (once you have the discover patch applied) | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | so there is no need for a separate py2.6 tox job | 17:04 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, so if we just put good doc for applying the patch then I'm ok | 17:04 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: afazekas demonstrated that it works, right? | 17:04 |
| afazekas | unittest2 + discovey is a dependency in addition , but otherwise it is the same | 17:04 |
| marun | is the discover patch going to be integrated into the tree at some point? | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok I'll push out a doc update patch too | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah | 17:05 |
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| marun | not our tree - test(*?) | 17:05 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: thanks. I am in favor of this but just want to make sure when people break they know what to do without too much trouble | 17:05 |
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| afazekas | s/discovery/discover/ | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | marun: the bug for it has been sitting there for awhile | 17:05 |
| sdague | mtreinish: here, sorry, in this gate discussion | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | the patch is really simple too it just changes an import | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | from unittest to unittest2 | 17:06 |
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| marun | mtreinish: which project? | 17:06 |
| marun | mtreinish: I guess I'd like to know that this won't require a manual fix in perpetuity. | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | marun: https://code.google.com/p/unittest-ext/issues/detail?id=79 | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | that's what afazekas shared before | 17:07 |
| marun | oh, for unittest2? | 17:07 |
| marun | anyway, carry on. not really important to discuss here. | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | ok I just wanted to let everyone know about that change | 17:08 |
| afazekas | marun: there is module called 'discover' , it lives in the unittestext repo, but packaged separately | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | I think we can move onto the next topic | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | So does anyone have any blueprints to bring up | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: I see you have a proposal for a new one | 17:09 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: I have a proposal | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | is there a link? | 17:09 |
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| mtreinish | or is it just an idea | 17:09 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: I didn't filed it | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:09 |
| mkoderer | but I discused it with OSSG (security group) | 17:09 |
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| mkoderer | mtreinish: so the idea is to build a fuzzy testing framework out of the new negative test blueprint | 17:10 |
| mkoderer | maybe a mixture between stress test and negative tests | 17:10 |
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| mkoderer | first idea is just to create more value generators | 17:10 |
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| mkoderer | the OSSG is very intressted and will support me with that | 17:11 |
| mkoderer | my plan is to open a blueprint tomorrow and work on the details | 17:11 |
| mkoderer | anyone interested on that topic? | 17:12 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: is it about avoiding malicious injection and similar? | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: ok, it sounds like a good idea, especially if you can resue the existing test infrastructure and just add extra value from it | 17:12 |
| mkoderer | andreaf: it's trying to cause a DOS | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: would the intent to be adding this as gating | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | or would it be too slow? | 17:12 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: I have the feeling that with the current state it quite easy that it fails | 17:13 |
| mkoderer | so gating yes.. but later | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:13 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: That's what we said for stress too :) | 17:14 |
| dkranz | We need more gate stability first | 17:14 |
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| mkoderer | dkranz: I know :) | 17:14 |
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| mkoderer | and that another project I have to care about ;) | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: ok so draft up the bp and we can go from there | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | is there anything else on this? | 17:14 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: yep I will do that | 17:14 |
| mkoderer | not from my side | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | mkoderer: ok | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: you have a bp listed in the agenda | 17:15 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | #topic Nova v3 testing in scenario tests (andreaf) | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok go | 17:15 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: it's not a bp I own, it's nova v3 testing | 17:15 |
| mtreinish | do you have a link? | 17:16 |
| andreaf | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/nova-v3-api-tests | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/nova-v3-api-tests | 17:16 |
| andreaf | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/nova-v3-api-tests | 17:16 |
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| andreaf | andreaf: you win :P | 17:16 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok so the bp is about nova api v3 testnig | 17:17 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: but as part of it we have now submissions for scenario nova v3 tests #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72858/ | 17:17 |
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| andreaf | andreaf: I'm not fully convinced that scenario tests are for verifying multiple api versions | 17:18 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ^^ | 17:18 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: that's the question I wanted to raise | 17:18 |
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| marun | do the api's differ in functionality? | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah I'm not sure either, but I don't see harm except for duplicating are slowest tests in the gate | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | marun: slightly, but the scenario tests use the official clients | 17:19 |
| dkranz | andreaf: I agree and don't think we should copy the scenario tests | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | so that should be abstracted away | 17:19 |
| dkranz | unless we think something new is being tested | 17:19 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: the main difference is nova not proxying glance / cinder anymore | 17:19 |
| marun | that sounds like an integration point that needs to be tested, but maybe not as part of the scenario testing | 17:20 |
| dkranz | andreaf: That is an implementation change that should be covered by api tess | 17:20 |
| dkranz | tests | 17:20 |
| andreaf | drankz: yes indeed | 17:20 |
| andreaf | mtreniish, dkranz: I think API versions shall stay in the API part of tests, or else it will become very hard to maintain scenario tests | 17:21 |
| dkranz | I think the scenarios are some coverage of making sure apis don't return success but then bork the system | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah I think that's good to say, but maybe we should have a config for which api version should be used with the official clients | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | at least while they support more than one | 17:22 |
| marun | do the clients allow the api version to be selected? | 17:22 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, dkranz: but I would be in favour of the following approach: tag the test for the api version supported, and perhaps run different api versions in different jobs | 17:22 |
| afazekas | marun: the nova client does | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | marun: nova does, but I'm not sure how it works in the other clients (but I suspect they do too) | 17:22 |
| andreaf | andreaf: ATM we only use 1 version of glance API as well in the scenario tests, and one version of cinder API | 17:23 |
| marun | good to know | 17:23 |
| afazekas | #link https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/blob/master/novaclient/client.py#L458 | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok do you want to start a ml thread about this | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | because the people doing this work aren't around now | 17:23 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: ok | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | but I think the direction moving forward is to make it configurable | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | but not duplicate the tests | 17:24 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: +1 | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: is there anything else on this? | 17:24 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: no | 17:25 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: should we talk about negative testing? | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | ok vponomaryov you've also got a bp in the agenda | 17:25 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 17:25 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/make-tempest-pluggable | 17:25 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: Not too much to say at the moment | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | #topic make tempest pluggable bp | 17:25 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: all right | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | vponomaryov: ok you've got the floor | 17:26 |
| vponomaryov | Need some extra eyes on that, and the way, that used in commits... | 17:26 |
| vponomaryov | 2 commits from 3 planned: | 17:26 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62429/ (exceptions) | 17:26 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69985/ (config) | 17:26 |
| vponomaryov | Main idea is concluded in pros: | 17:26 |
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| vponomaryov | - separate files, much less merge conflicts | 17:26 |
| vponomaryov | - explicit separation by projects, no mess of exceptions or configs | 17:26 |
| vponomaryov | - backward compatible, no need to change use places | 17:26 |
| vponomaryov | partions of bp: | 17:27 |
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| vponomaryov | exceptions - only separation | 17:27 |
| vponomaryov | config - separation with autoimport | 17:27 |
| vponomaryov | clients -separation with autoimport | 17:27 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: I think this is something we already have in other projects right... | 17:28 |
| mkoderer | I need to have a closer look | 17:28 |
| mkoderer | I can do the review | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | vponomaryov: so I'm not sure I see the value of the exceptions one (we don't really have many of those) | 17:28 |
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| vponomaryov | it will be extended, after a while | 17:29 |
| vponomaryov | new projects are appearing | 17:29 |
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| vponomaryov | at least, we should separate base classes and use classes | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | vponomaryov: the thing is with config and clients there is a lot of copy and paste to get things setup in one file | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | so I can see value with it just discovering the options and clients from a directory | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | but for exceptions there aren't many and it's normally just a 1 line class that overloads the msg | 17:31 |
| vponomaryov | in service clients and tests we keep base classes separately | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | vponomaryov: but I think people haven't had a chance to review the proposal in too much depth | 17:32 |
| vponomaryov | exceptions - all in one | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | vponomaryov: so I think we handle this in review | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | or outside of the meeting | 17:33 |
| vponomaryov | agree | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: are you around? | 17:33 |
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| mlavalle | yes iam | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | are there any updates on neutron | 17:34 |
| mlavalle | I am sure all know, but the Neutron gate is working now | 17:34 |
| marun | stable/havana is still borked | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: yeah and I pushed out the change that makes all the neutron jobs isolated | 17:35 |
| mlavalle | the group of people contributing api tests have been active | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: yeah it is, I think we'll have to drop the isolated jobs for the stable branch | 17:35 |
| dkranz | mlavalle: Is this still smoke, or full? | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ sry marun | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it's still smoke | 17:35 |
| mlavalle | so we have a lot of code to review | 17:35 |
| mlavalle | how can I help the core reviewers to go through these patches? Would a message to the ML help? | 17:36 |
| mkoderer | mlavalle: just ping on irc | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: if there was a gerrit view/query that could show them all in one place that would be nice too | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | are they all on the same bp | 17:37 |
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| mlavalle | mtreinish: ok, I'll work on that. | 17:37 |
| * afazekas probably without this the havana neutron full is not able to pass: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73301/ | 17:37 | |
| mlavalle | we already have the bp | 17:37 |
| mlavalle | that's really all I have | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | let's move on to the next topic | 17:38 |
| * mlavalle eager to see marun topic | 17:38 | |
| mtreinish | #topic API tests in the Neutron tree (marun) | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | marun: you're up | 17:39 |
| marun | Hopefully interested parties have seen the patches in question and have had a chance to digest. | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | marun: you started a ML thread about it too right? | 17:39 |
| marun | sdague was the only one to respond on the ML as to the wisdom of delegating responsibility to Neutron for the api tests | 17:39 |
| marun | My hope in submitting these patches was to get people thinking about things, so it was successful in that regard. | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | marun: well I tend to agree with all of sdague's points on the ML | 17:40 |
| marun | I'm not arguing for getting lax wrt api testing. | 17:40 |
| marun | Whether they are in Tempest or Neutron shouldn't matter from a quality perspective as far as I am concerned. | 17:40 |
| marun | There is nothing stopping openstack-qa folk from providing oversight in the neutron tree | 17:41 |
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| marun | Currently it's the reverse - neutron folks have to provide oversight for the tempest tree | 17:41 |
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| marun | I think the current approach has a fundamental problem, though. | 17:41 |
| marun | i think anything short of integration testing should be a project responsibility | 17:41 |
| marun | i think the danger of tempest is that if its scope creeps such that it takes on too much responsibility for project-specific testing, it will actually have a negative impact as project committers get used to not caring about certain types of testing | 17:41 |
| dkranz | marun: I agree there is an issue | 17:42 |
| marun | (out of sight, out of mind as it were) | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | marun: there is nothing stopping neutron from having it's own api testing | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | but there is value in having 2 separate tests validating the api | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | because it should never change | 17:42 |
| marun | mtreinish: Do you really think that 2 testing efforts are going to equal the quality of one focused one? | 17:43 |
| sdague | marun: so you think that tempest core should have +2 on all core projects? | 17:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: From a technical standpoint I am not sure that is true about having value in 2 | 17:43 |
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| malini | hmm..sdont the api tests in the project have a different intent from the api tests in tempest? | 17:43 |
| marun | sdague: I would support that if you think it's necessary. | 17:43 |
| sdague | because the problem is the N-way problem | 17:43 |
| dkranz | malini: We have never been clear about that. | 17:44 |
| sdague | right now every project should also keep an eye on tempest | 17:44 |
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| marun | sdague: But I would suggest that a better solution would be isolating qa-critical tests and ensuring that only qualified reviewers have oversight on them. | 17:44 |
| sdague | but if you invert it, tempest devs have to keep an eye on *all* projects | 17:44 |
| marun | sdague: We manage 3rd party plugins in a similar way today. | 17:44 |
| malini | dkranz: it'll be good to think/talk abt it at some point. it's something I have been struggling with when adding new test for marconi..what shoud be in tempest vs not | 17:45 |
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| marun | so, maybe we can discuss further on the mailing list? | 17:46 |
| dkranz | malini: Yes, this was raised briefly at the last summit but we need to nail that down | 17:46 |
| marun | I'd like to at least discuss the possibility of devolving responsibility for api testing to neutron. | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | marun: yeah I think that would be the best place for it | 17:46 |
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| marun | And I haven't heard from anybody what exactly would be necessary for that to happne. | 17:46 |
| marun | I don't think it's constructive to say 'NO' | 17:47 |
| marun | I'd like to hear 'That could be possible IFF' | 17:47 |
| marun | And then we can see if it's a possibility | 17:47 |
| marun | (and maybe the answer is still no, but at least we've explored things) | 17:47 |
| afazekas | IMHO tempest should not depend directly on the neutron source tree | 17:47 |
| marun | afazekas: that's a NO | 17:47 |
| sdague | so can we back up to the actual problem statement? | 17:48 |
| sdague | because I'm not sure I understand what that is | 17:48 |
| marun | repeating myself: : i think the danger of tempest is that if its scope creeps such that it takes on too much responsibility for project-specific testing, it will actually have a negative impact as project committers get used to not caring about certain types of testing | 17:48 |
| sdague | I see lots of solutions being argued | 17:48 |
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| marun | api testing residing in tempest has put it out of neutron folks minds. it's an afterthought. we can't merge api tests until after code has merged | 17:48 |
| sdague | marun: ok, so that's a problem of cross project dependencies | 17:49 |
| sdague | which is a narrower problem, and not neutron specific | 17:49 |
| sdague | the ability to tell zuul patches across repos depend on each other | 17:50 |
| marun | sdague: ? | 17:50 |
| sdague | so you could write them all at the same time | 17:50 |
| marun | sdague: managing tests outside of a repo sucks | 17:50 |
| marun | sdague: having to coordinate cross-project merges sucks | 17:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any chance I could have 5 mins in the end of meeting for savanna testing? | 17:50 |
| sdague | marun: managing 30 independent repos sucks :) | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | SergeyLukjanov: it might be tight we've got 10 min left and another topic on the agenda still | 17:50 |
| marun | sdague: what is the benefit, exactly, of having tempest maintain tests that are neutron-specific? That don't actually require integration with other projects to run? | 17:51 |
| sdague | and we have to coordinate cross project merges all the time | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | sdague, marun: I think we're running out of time | 17:51 |
| sdague | mtreinish: sure | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | can we take this to the ML and/or -qa | 17:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mtreinish, ok, will go the -qa channel ;) | 17:51 |
| dkranz | I think maruns points should be discussed more | 17:51 |
| sdague | marun: because you can validate your cloud with 1 project | 17:51 |
| sdague | and not have to git pull all the projects | 17:51 |
| afazekas | ML + next meeting | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | ok so the probably the last topic for today: | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | #topic Graduation requirements for incubated project w.r.t Tempest (malini) | 17:51 |
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| marun | sdague: why is that such a cost? the alternative is clearly worse | 17:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mtreinish, oh, nice topic :) | 17:52 |
| sdague | marun: I don't think the alternative is clearly worse | 17:52 |
| mtreinish | malini: you're up | 17:52 |
| malini | thanks! | 17:52 |
| sdague | and that's where we disagree, which is fine | 17:52 |
| malini | To give some background, I am working on a patch that will add marconi tests to tempest. | 17:52 |
| malini | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63449/ adds a basic API test. I am hoping this will meet our graduation req as far as tempest goes. But the TC wording is really vague on what is good enough. So wanted to get some thoughts on if additional API tests & scenario tests can be a WIP while/after we graduate. | 17:52 |
| marun | sdague: git pull is mechanical. test maintenance is _not_ | 17:52 |
| malini | We have a few other projects getting ready to graduate, so it'll be good to make the tempest reqs clear | 17:53 |
| dkranz | marun: I need to think about this more | 17:53 |
| dkranz | marun: I have suggested similar in the past | 17:53 |
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| sdague | this has real implications for validation of OpenStack on the Defcore side as well | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | malini: So personally I'm fine with the base glue being there and adding tests iteratively over time | 17:53 |
| sdague | anyway, it's a longer conversation, and I honestly think we need a summit session for it, because the implications are pretty far reaching to change this | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | sdague: which topic? :) | 17:54 |
| sdague | sorry, marun's :) | 17:54 |
| malini | I wud love a summit session for marconi ;) | 17:54 |
| malini | just kidding | 17:54 |
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| malini | But the idea behind my topic was to make the grad reqs clearer for trmpest | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | malini: as long as the basics are there then at graduation we can add the project into the integrated gate with the other project | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | even if the api coverage isn't there | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | full api coverage | 17:55 |
| malini | cool..& fyi we have really good api coverage in the marconi functional test suite | 17:55 |
| sdague | malini: yeh, the big issue is getting it devstack enabled | 17:55 |
| sdague | the point being that we can then know in the basic gate if a keystone change broke marconi | 17:56 |
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| malini | cool…That clears up things for me | 17:56 |
| sdague | so it looks like it's not running yet, right - http://logs.openstack.org/49/63449/15/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/44af652/console.html#_2014-02-13_15_59_20_047 | 17:56 |
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| sdague | we still need another devstack fix? | 17:56 |
| malini | not yet..But I am working on it | 17:56 |
| malini | it is possibly the service name I am using in tempest | 17:56 |
| malini | afazekas has been helping me with this | 17:57 |
| sdague | so I just +Aed this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73100/ | 17:57 |
| malini | thanks! | 17:57 |
| malini | mtreinish: thts it from me for the topic | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | malini: ok cool | 17:58 |
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| mtreinish | well with <2 min left I think we'll just end here for today | 17:58 |
| afazekas | malini: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73100/1 may cause you need to update the tempest change again | 17:58 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:58 |
| sand2rock | hi | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 17:59:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-02-13-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-02-13-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-02-13-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| bdpayne_ | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 18:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne_ | Hi OSSG | 18:01 |
| bdpayne_ | #topic Rollcall | 18:01 |
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| sand2rock | hii | 18:01 |
| nkinder | Hi | 18:01 |
| sand2rock | I am attending this meeting for the first time | 18:01 |
| nkinder | welcome! | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne_ | welcome sand2rick... could you introduce yourself for the group? | 18:02 |
| bdpayne_ | sorry, sand2rock | 18:02 |
| sand2rock | Its ok | 18:02 |
| sand2rock | I am sandeep | 18:02 |
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| sand2rock | from bangalore | 18:02 |
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| sand2rock | i work on c++/unix and perl | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne_ | ok, thanks for joining us today | 18:03 |
| bdpayne_ | anyone else here? | 18:03 |
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| joel-coffman | hey | 18:03 |
| bdpayne_ | hi | 18:03 |
| sand2rock | hi | 18:03 |
| bdpayne_ | #topic Agenda | 18:03 |
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| nkinder | I'd like to discuss OSSNs today. | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne_ | ok | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne_ | summit talks are due this week, I'd be interested in knowing what people submitted so I can look for them | 18:05 |
| bdpayne_ | I know that there's one review up for a book edit | 18:05 |
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| joel-coffman | I submitted one about data protection within OpenStack | 18:05 |
| joel-coffman | trying to cover encryption, VPNaaS, etc. | 18:05 |
| bdpayne_ | ah, nice | 18:06 |
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| nkinder | A coworker of mine is submitting one related to securing internal endpoints, secure messaging, etc. | 18:06 |
| nkinder | I may co-present | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne_ | so there's an OSSG overview talk with Rob, nkinder and myself | 18:06 |
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| joel-coffman | nkinder: I'd like to attend that one | 18:06 |
| nkinder | joel-coffman: let's hope it gets accepted! | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne_ | and I submitted one on how security needs to be viewed differently in private clouds | 18:07 |
| bdpayne_ | cool, so lots of submissions | 18:07 |
| bdpayne_ | ok, let's push ahead with the other topics | 18:07 |
| joel-coffman | I was glad to see that "security" was a designated track | 18:07 |
| bdpayne_ | #topic OSSNs | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne_ | nkinder what's the latest? | 18:08 |
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| nkinder | I've been working on getting OSSNs moved to git/gerrit. | 18:08 |
| nkinder | We need to belong to a parent project to have an openstack/* repo. | 18:08 |
| nkinder | Part of the issue there is figuring out where OSSNs belong. | 18:09 |
| nkinder | After some discussions with thierry and annegentle, it's looking like docs might be the right parent project | 18:09 |
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| nkinder | So, I'd like to see if others from OSSG agree with that placement. | 18:10 |
| bdpayne_ | interesting | 18:10 |
| bdpayne_ | so you guys decided this instead of stackforge? | 18:10 |
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| nkinder | I've started down the stackforge path as well in the meantime | 18:10 |
| bdpayne_ | gotcha | 18:10 |
| nkinder | So there's a patch out for adding us to stackforge, | 18:10 |
| bdpayne_ | so, docs may make sense for OSSNs | 18:10 |
| bknudson | docs sounds as good as anything to me | 18:10 |
| bdpayne_ | but not for OSSG in general | 18:11 |
| nkinder | yes, just for OSSNs | 18:11 |
| bdpayne_ | that's probably a fine place for OSSN | 18:11 |
| nkinder | I have a github repo I created to seed the stackforge repo - https://github.com/nkinder/openstack-security-notes | 18:11 |
| bdpayne_ | although, I think that OSSG should start taking steps for more formal recognition in the community | 18:11 |
| bdpayne_ | because there's a variety of things where not having that creates challenges | 18:12 |
| joel-coffman | agreed | 18:12 |
| nkinder | bdpayne_: Agreed. | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne_ | nkinder that looks nice | 18:12 |
| bdpayne_ | so stackforge can utilize gerrit and such, right> | 18:12 |
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| nkinder | yes | 18:13 |
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| nkinder | we would have all of the normal workflow | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne_ | ok, yeah, I think that sounds just fine | 18:13 |
| nkinder | we can start to add in auto publishing too | 18:13 |
| bdpayne_ | so, if we moved under doc, what would that look like then? | 18:13 |
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| thomasbiege | hi folks | 18:13 |
| nkinder | In what way? Workflow-wise, it would be the same. | 18:13 |
| nkinder | bdpayne_: We could possibly publish to the docs site though. | 18:14 |
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| nkinder | ...and I believe that is locked down unlike the wiki (so no worries of tampering) | 18:14 |
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| nkinder | One other benefit is that OSSN writers would have ATC status, which is nice. | 18:15 |
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| nkinder | That might encourage more people to contribute | 18:15 |
| bdpayne_ | I guess I'm wondering... if we're already under stackforge, then what additional value do we get by being taken in by the doc project? | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne_ | ATC status is an interesting point | 18:15 |
| nkinder | I think it makes our work more officially recognized. | 18:16 |
| bdpayne_ | cool, so that sounds good ot me | 18:17 |
| nkinder | So that's what's going on around OSSNs. | 18:17 |
| bdpayne_ | note that book contributions already get you ATC status as well | 18:17 |
| bdpayne_ | nudge, nudge | 18:17 |
| nkinder | We have a few that need to be written | 18:17 |
| bdpayne_ | :-) | 18:17 |
| bdpayne_ | b/c that is under doc as well | 18:17 |
| nkinder | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/ | 18:17 |
| nkinder | The noVNC one is stale. Sriram was working on it quite some time ago, but it stalled out. | 18:17 |
| sand2rock | sorry to interrupt ... but how do i contribute to this group? | 18:17 |
| nkinder | I picked up one of the other ones this week. | 18:18 |
| nkinder | sand2rock: nice timing :) | 18:18 |
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| sand2rock | :) | 18:18 |
| sand2rock | really sorry to interrupt | 18:18 |
| nkinder | sand2rock: One of the things we do is to write and publish security notes | 18:18 |
| nkinder | which are known as OSSNs | 18:18 |
| nkinder | sand2rock: So a great place to start is to review and/or write one. | 18:18 |
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| nkinder | sand2rock: There are some bugs for notes that need to be written here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/ | 18:19 |
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| nkinder | The process is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Security_Note_Process | 18:19 |
| bdpayne_ | sand2rock you can also check here for broader ways that you can contribute: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/How_To_Contribute | 18:19 |
| bdpayne_ | nkinder thanks for putting the git stuff through for OSSNs | 18:20 |
| bdpayne_ | this will be a nice improvement | 18:20 |
| nkinder | sure thing | 18:20 |
| sand2rock | nkinder: thanks | 18:20 |
| nkinder | That's all I have on OSSN topics. | 18:20 |
| bdpayne_ | ok | 18:20 |
| bdpayne_ | #topic Book Edits | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne_ | So there's an open review for a book edit | 18:20 |
| bdpayne_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73195/ | 18:20 |
| bdpayne_ | Seems to be getting reviews, but I just wanted to mention it in case people were interested | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne_ | Looks like I'm meeting with the book editor team at RSA in a couple of weeks, so I'm hoping to re-invigorate that effort | 18:21 |
| bdpayne_ | #topic Open Discussion | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne_ | Anything else people would like to discuss today? | 18:22 |
| joel-coffman | bdpayne_: I'll review the book edit | 18:22 |
| joel-coffman | hadn't seen it before | 18:22 |
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| nkinder | I'll take a look too. | 18:22 |
| bdpayne_ | great, thanks | 18:22 |
| nkinder | We need to figure out the next steps around the security review for Ironic, but we need hyakuhei for that. | 18:23 |
| bdpayne_ | yes, I agree on that all around | 18:23 |
| bdpayne_ | so I think that's about it for today... we can wrap up a little early | 18:24 |
| bdpayne_ | thanks everyone | 18:24 |
| nkinder | thanks! | 18:24 |
| joel-coffman | one sec | 18:24 |
| bdpayne_ | ah, go for it joel-coffman | 18:24 |
| joel-coffman | my team has a patch out for ephemeral storage encryption: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70228/ | 18:24 |
| bknudson | there's probably a way in gerrit to subscribe to reviews for a specific book. | 18:25 |
| joel-coffman | it's marked do not merge, but we'd appreciate additional feedback / thoughts | 18:25 |
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| joel-coffman | that's it, thanks! | 18:25 |
| bdpayne_ | joel-coffman ok thanks... that's been up for a while... any context to share there? | 18:26 |
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| joel-coffman | Daniel Berrange didn't like the use of loop devices | 18:26 |
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| joel-coffman | we'd appreciate knowing if others concur with his comments or if supporting encryption for the raw backend is useful | 18:27 |
| joel-coffman | (even with some limitations) | 18:27 |
| bdpayne_ | ah, gotcha | 18:27 |
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| bdpayne_ | ok, we'll take a look | 18:27 |
| joel-coffman | thanks | 18:28 |
| bdpayne_ | ok, that's all for today | 18:28 |
| bdpayne_ | thanks again everyone | 18:28 |
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| sand2rock | thanks bdpayne_ and nkinder... and sorry again for interrupting | 18:28 |
| nkinder | sand2rock: not a problem at all. Glad you are looking at helping out! | 18:29 |
| joel-coffman | cheers | 18:29 |
| bdpayne_ | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 18:30:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-13-18.00.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-13-18.00.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-02-13-18.00.log.html | 18:30 |
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| Sonny78 | Hello everybody is tonight the l18n meeting at 2am or was it this morning at 9am ? | 19:25 |
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| harlowja_ | #startmeeting openstack-state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 20:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_state_management' | 20:00 |
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| harlowja_ | hi all | 20:00 |
| harlowja_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 20:00 |
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| harlowja_ | likely short one this time | 20:00 |
| iv_m | hi there | 20:00 |
| harlowja_ | iv_m hi | 20:01 |
| harlowja_ | lets see who shows up :-P | 20:01 |
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| harlowja_ | iv_m how's the likelyhood that u and anastasia go to summit? | 20:02 |
| harlowja_ | #topic action-items-from-time-before-time | 20:03 |
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| harlowja_ | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-02-06-20.01.html | 20:03 |
| harlowja_ | guess we can make a quick meeting :-P | 20:03 |
| harlowja_ | so https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskFlow-0.2.0 was started, still mostly just a template | 20:03 |
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| harlowja_ | cinder nttdata folks, continuing email there, its not as visible/public as i want it, but working with them to get there | 20:04 |
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| harlowja_ | iv_m i assume the retry stuff writeup is still a WIP? | 20:05 |
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| iv_m | ya | 20:06 |
| harlowja_ | k | 20:06 |
| harlowja_ | np | 20:06 |
| iv_m | anastasia promised to write good docs after she finishes with code | 20:06 |
| harlowja_ | sounds good | 20:06 |
| harlowja_ | that connects into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/taskflow-atlanta-speaker-ideas | 20:06 |
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| harlowja_ | i put up what i was thinking of submitting at the bottom, deadline tommorow so let me know if it sucks, or feel free to adjust | 20:07 |
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| harlowja_ | thinking it can be a workshop/ecosystem/releated OSS project kind of speaker thing (there doesn't seem to be a direct category) | 20:07 |
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| harlowja_ | #topic summit | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit (Meeting topic: openstack-state-management)" | 20:08 | |
| harlowja_ | let me repost that so its more organized | 20:08 |
| harlowja_ | #link ttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/taskflow-atlanta-speaker-ideas | 20:08 |
| harlowja_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/taskflow-atlanta-speaker-ideas | 20:08 |
| harlowja_ | so if we can get 1 speaker session that would be cool | 20:09 |
| harlowja_ | its voted so remember to ask all your friends to vote :-P | 20:09 |
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| harlowja_ | i was thinking a small intro like the last speaker talk, but this time more focused on demos, examples... | 20:10 |
| harlowja_ | since last time in HK i didn't get really anytime for that :( | 20:10 |
| harlowja_ | anyways | 20:11 |
| harlowja_ | #topic vacation-for-josh | 20:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vacation-for-josh (Meeting topic: openstack-state-management)" | 20:11 | |
| harlowja_ | so i'll be out tommorow -> next thursday skiing | 20:11 |
| iv_m | lucky u | 20:11 |
| harlowja_ | so thinking we should probably skip next weeks meeting :-P | 20:11 |
| harlowja_ | unless iv_m u want to do it, although seems like u might not have much crowd | 20:12 |
| iv_m | k, let's skip it | 20:12 |
| harlowja_ | k | 20:12 |
| harlowja_ | #action iv_m don't have the meeting next week | 20:12 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 20:12 |
| iv_m | ha, i know how to do that one | 20:12 |
| harlowja_ | :) | 20:13 |
| iv_m | #action harlowja_ have a good vacation | 20:13 |
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| harlowja_ | +2 | 20:13 |
| harlowja_ | #topic open-reviews | 20:14 |
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| harlowja_ | so a few open reviews, i'll work on mine, iv_m thanks for looking at zookeeper one, will respond to that one soon | 20:14 |
| harlowja_ | will try to do as many as a i can before leaving tommorow afternoon | 20:14 |
| harlowja_ | *PST time | 20:14 |
| harlowja_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/taskflow,n,z | 20:15 |
| iv_m | i'm working through reviews one by one, it was a hectic week, next one should be better | 20:16 |
| harlowja_ | k, np iv_m thx! | 20:16 |
| harlowja_ | same here really :-P | 20:17 |
| harlowja_ | ok, lets see what else | 20:17 |
| harlowja_ | #topic oslo | 20:17 |
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| harlowja_ | iv_m an easy bug that i think doug was wanting solved, https://bugs.launchpad.net/taskflow/+bug/1279951 | 20:18 |
| harlowja_ | shouldn't be anything to hard to fix | 20:18 |
| harlowja_ | also iv_m https://review.openstack.org/#/c/73342/ | 20:18 |
| harlowja_ | those are some oslo releated changes | 20:18 |
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| harlowja_ | some of these releated to requirements and stuff... | 20:19 |
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| harlowja_ | other open question, maybe when we have more cores here, is should we merge our meeting with there meeting? | 20:20 |
| harlowja_ | *something to think about | 20:20 |
| harlowja_ | k, what else | 20:21 |
| iv_m | i don't like their timeslot -- i have workouts at that time | 20:21 |
| harlowja_ | iv_m ah | 20:21 |
| harlowja_ | do u recall what time it is at? | 20:21 |
| iv_m | 14:00 utc fridays | 20:21 |
| harlowja_ | k | 20:21 |
| harlowja_ | damn | 20:22 |
| harlowja_ | me still curled up in bed | 20:22 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 20:22 |
| harlowja_ | anyways | 20:22 |
| harlowja_ | #topic open-discuss | 20:22 |
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| harlowja_ | anything else we need to talk about, if not, can just make it short | 20:23 |
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| iv_m | harlowja_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/taskflow/+bug/1279951 -- is it about moving our docs from wiki to sphinx? | 20:23 |
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| harlowja_ | iv_m i don't think all docs, just starting to generate the sphinx ones, which afaik we aren't yet | 20:24 |
| harlowja_ | still retaining https://wiki.openstack.org/TaskFlow | 20:24 |
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| harlowja_ | i think its just some config somewhere in infra probably we have to turn on | 20:24 |
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| harlowja_ | and then sphinx stuff will work | 20:24 |
| harlowja_ | make sense? | 20:25 |
| iv_m | ya | 20:25 |
| harlowja_ | that will help get our code level docs in better shape (they aren't bad, just not perfect either) | 20:25 |
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| harlowja_ | k | 20:28 |
| harlowja_ | anything else, or shall i begin the countdown | 20:28 |
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| harlowja_ | countdown it is :-P | 20:29 |
| harlowja_ | 5 | 20:29 |
| harlowja_ | 4 | 20:30 |
| harlowja_ | 3 | 20:30 |
| harlowja_ | 2 | 20:30 |
| harlowja_ | 1 | 20:30 |
| harlowja_ | boom | 20:30 |
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| harlowja_ | thx iv_m for showing up, see ya next week after i get back :-P | 20:30 |
| harlowja_ | #endmeeting | 20:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 20:31:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-02-13-20.00.html | 20:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-02-13-20.00.txt | 20:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-02-13-20.00.log.html | 20:31 |
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| rockyg | refstack folks? I forget how to set the meeting. I remember how to set the topic;-) | 22:04 |
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| rockyg | #start meeting RefStack | 22:07 |
| rockyg | #startmeeting RefStack | 22:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 13 22:07:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rockyg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 22:07 |
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| rockyg | CatherineD, dvaidlenwell, zehicle: meeting? | 22:10 |
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| rockyg | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/RefStack | 22:13 |
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| rockyg | Endmeeting | 22:16 |
| rockyg | #endmeeting | 22:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 13 22:16:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-13-22.07.html | 22:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-13-22.07.txt | 22:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-02-13-22.07.log.html | 22:16 |
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