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dhellmannwho's around for the oslo meeting?14:00
bnemeco/14:00
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dhellmanndims?14:01
dhellmann#startmeeting oslo14:01
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dhellmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting14:01
dhellmannlots to cover today14:01
dhellmann#topic Review action items from previous meeting14:01
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dhellmann1. adopting stackforge libs14:01
dhellmannthis is nearly complete, just a few requirements changes to iron out and then we need to set up gate test jobs for the libraries14:01
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dhellmann2. log translation14:01
dhellmannwe need to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70455/ and then we can update the tools that manage the catalog extraction14:02
dhellmannI don't expect to make any build system changes around the i-3 deadline, so it would be really good to have that merge soon, hint hint :-)14:02
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dhellmann3. qpid unit tests in oslo.messaging14:02
dhellmannI'm not aware of any change on this one, did anyone pick that up?14:03
dhellmannI may just have missed a changeset14:03
bnemecSomeone assigned the bug to themself last night.14:03
dhellmanncool14:03
markmcno unit tests yet14:03
dhellmann#action dhellmann track down owner of qpid test bug14:03
markmcand reviewing sileht's patches14:03
markmcI found a qpid regression14:03
markmcso, we need those tests14:04
dhellmannis sileht the owner, then?14:04
bnemec#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/125523914:04
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dhellmannthanks, bnemec14:04
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dhellmannso that is marked as high priority, should I put it in the milestone?14:04
dhellmannit sounds like more than one person is working on it, if sileht has changes for review too14:05
bnemecI think markmc was saying he found a regression while reviewing sileht's other patches.14:05
markmcright14:05
dhellmannah, ok14:06
dhellmannI'll talk to Numan about whether to include it in the release plan, then14:06
dhellmann4. test suite parallelization (bnemec)14:06
dhellmannthe change to run most of the tests in parallel landed, so that's excellent work bnemec !14:06
bnemec\o/14:06
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dhellmannand the rpc tests in oslo.messaging run in parallel, so I'm not worried at all about the ones in the incubator14:07
bnemecFound a few legitimate bugs in the process too.14:07
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dhellmannindeed14:07
dhellmannis there any work left to do? do you have any reviews still open?14:07
dhellmannI think not but just to be sure...14:07
bnemecI think all of my changes landed.14:08
dhellmanngood14:08
dhellmann5. oslo.config doc update for "type" arg (merged)14:08
dhellmannthat change is in, so that action is done14:08
dhellmannon to new business...14:08
dhellmann#topic icehouse-3 status review14:08
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dhellmann#link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/icehouse-314:08
dhellmann#link https://launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+milestone/icehouse-314:08
dhellmannwe have quite a few items open with pending reviews, please focus your review work on anything we have in the i-3 milestone and prioritize that over changes that don’t have blueprints or bugs14:08
dhellmannI have this as a separate agenda item, but it makes sense to discuss it now: would it help to schedule a "review day" to push some of these changes through?14:09
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dhellmannI have a feeling if we don't close some soon, ttx is going to suggest dumping them from the milestone14:10
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dhellmannat least anything marked as high priority14:10
dhellmannI'm going to spend time this morning reviewing, after the meeting14:11
bnemecI have a bad feeling about the models and migrations one.14:11
rpodolyakaI'm going to step up and take it14:11
bnemecI think almost all of those patches got auto-abandoned months ago.14:11
rpodolyakayeah...14:11
dhellmannyes, I need to talk to svetlana14:11
rpodolyakaI have a simpler patch14:11
bnemecrpodolyaka: Nice!14:11
rpodolyaka(in Nova right now)14:11
dhellmanngood!14:11
rpodolyakahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/69124/114:11
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rpodolyakaI'll reuse opportunistic test cases implemented by ipekelny14:12
rpodolyakawill be ready for review by monday14:12
dhellmannexcellent14:12
bnemecSimpler is good.  Some of those patches were...large. ;-)14:12
rpodolyakayeah :(14:12
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viktorsbnemec: yes, it was very hard to review them14:13
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markmcok, I've dropped secure messaging and amqp-1.0 from oslo.messaging icehouse for now14:13
dhellmannafter talking with boris-42_ and rpodolyaka a day or two ago, we agreed the goal is to have oslo.db as a library by the end of the release cycle, and ready to start integrating with other projects early in juno14:13
dhellmannmarkmc: ok, thanks14:13
boris-42_dhellmann hi14:14
dhellmannhi, boris-42_14:14
dhellmannwe'll talk more about oslo.db in a second14:14
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boris-42_dhellmann yeah absolutelly agree =)14:14
boris-42_dhellmann with road map14:14
dhellmann#topic oslo.sphinx rename14:14
boris-42_dhellmann make lib, and Juno switch to it14:14
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jd__I'm blocked about posix-ipc because of infra14:14
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dhellmann#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/127716814:14
dhellmannoops14:14
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jd__sorry my fault, I'm late14:15
dhellmannjd__: what's blocking?14:15
jd__just wanted to mention it though14:15
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jd__posix_ipc is not hosted on PyPI so it needs to be whitelisted14:15
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jd__I've asked the upstream author to move to PyPI but he's "thinking about it"14:15
dhellmannhave you spoken to the author about uploading a copy to pypi?14:15
dhellmannugh14:15
dhellmannok14:15
jd__so I've sent patches to infra to whitelist it but got not review14:15
jd__#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69743/14:15
jd__#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68945/14:16
jd__ends of the heads-up14:16
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dhellmannjd__: ok, I'll ask jeblair et al to take a look14:16
dhellmann#action dhellmann talk to infra about whitelisting posix-ipc14:16
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jd__thanks :)14:17
dhellmannok, anything else about i-3?14:17
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dhellmannright14:17
dhellmann#topic oslo.sphinx rename14:17
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dhellmann#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/127716814:18
dhellmannthe old repo is renamed, and I’ve seen patches to start to update the consuming projects14:18
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dhellmannsome of those changes aren't linked back to this original bug, I think -- I know there was one for ceilometer, for example14:18
markmcfwiw, I put a bunch of details into the bug report14:19
markmctook me an hour or more to dig them up14:19
dhellmannmarkmc: I saw, thanks14:19
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* dhellmann needs to remember to write things down14:19
bnemecAh, sorry.  I guess I was relying on the ML discussion to document the problem.14:19
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markmcyeah, mailing list is fine14:19
markmcand the bug actually linked to the thread14:20
markmcbut the thread crossed months so ...14:20
bnemecyeah14:20
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markmcanyway, part stupidity on my fault14:20
markmcoh, also the thread didn't use the [oslo] topic14:20
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dhellmannit looks like it started out as a general plea for help, so that's not a surprise14:21
dhellmannwe should probably have started a new thread when we started working out the solution14:21
dhellmannsome of the changes in the other projects are being submitted by dirk mueller, but I don't know his irc handle14:22
markmcdmllr or something14:22
dhellmannthanks14:22
markmcor maybe that's his launched14:22
markmclaunchpad14:22
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dhellmannI'll email him14:23
dhellmannI want to make sure I know when it's safe to remove the old oslo.sphinx from pypi, because I just saw a project try to start using it14:23
markmcah, it's just dirk ... but looks like he doesn't email much14:23
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markmcJul 19 15:23:04 -->dirk (dmueller@kde/mueller)14:23
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dhellmannthanks14:24
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markmcdhellmann, what's the rush in removing it?14:24
markmcdhellmann, you're eager to break old tarballs and such?14:24
markmc:)14:24
dhellmannI want to prevent further instances of the original bug14:24
dhellmannbreak?14:24
dhellmannoh, I guess packaging stable branches with docs?14:24
markmcright14:25
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dhellmannhmm14:25
markmcany published tarballs that use it14:25
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markmcnot saying we keep it around forever14:25
markmcbut ...14:25
bnemecDoes pypi have any way to mark a package deprecated?14:25
dhellmannok, I guess then just removing it from our global requirements list14:25
dhellmannbnemec: I can look into that14:25
dhellmannremoving it from the global requirements would prevent integrated projects from using it, and we can fix any incubated projects as they graduate14:26
dhellmannbnemec: I could also edit the README, I suppose14:26
dhellmann#action dhellmann look into deprecating oslo.sphinx on pypi without deleting it14:26
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bnemecWell, removing it from global requirements should be fine.  Nobody outside openstack will be using it anyway.14:27
* dhellmann hopes not14:27
dhellmann#topic oslo.test graduation14:27
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dhellmann#link https://github.com/dhellmann/oslo.test14:27
dhellmann#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-test14:27
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dhellmannthe oslo.test library will contain test base class(es) and some fixtures (not all)14:28
dhellmannI have a repo set up and ready to import, but need to coordinate that with the infra team because the automated process broke so they have to do some of the steps by hand14:28
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bnemecWhat are we doing with the other fixtures?14:28
dhellmannsome of the fixtures have dependencies on other libraries, like messaging, so I was going to put them in those libraries14:28
bnemecAh, makes sense.14:29
dhellmannif you want to write tests using a FancyFixture you probably already depend on FancyLib14:29
dhellmannI guess that should be oslo.fancy14:29
dhellmannI've tested the new library with oslo.config and oslo.messaging, so I have some changes ready for those repos when the new library is available14:30
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dhellmannany other questions about oslo.test?14:30
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markmcdhellmann, did you mean to put the mox/mock fixtures under oslo.test.fixture ?14:31
* dhellmann looks14:31
markmcother than that, looks good14:31
dhellmannit looks like I forgot to delete the __init__ in fixtures14:32
markmcoh, BaseTestCase.tempdirs looks unused ?14:32
dhellmannI thought a flatter hierarchy made sense, since it is a separate library now14:32
markmcyeah, sounds good14:32
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dhellmann#action dhellmann remove oslo/test/fixtures/__init__.py14:32
dhellmann#action dhellmann remove tempdirs from BaseTestCase14:33
ekarlsowhen any idea on availability of oslo.test?14:33
* dhellmann was focused on file layout more than content14:33
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dhellmannekarlso: I need to coordinate with the infra team, but I hope to have the new repo set up early next week so I can finish the process of publishing an initial version14:33
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dhellmannI'll have the new repo set up with review acls just like the incubator, fwiw14:34
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dhellmannok, let's talk about oslo.db14:35
dhellmann#topic oslo.db graduation (boris-42, rpodolyaka)14:35
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viktors#link https://github.com/malor/oslo.db14:35
viktors#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/oslo-db-lib14:35
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viktorsat the moment there are two critical patches on review for oslo.db graduate14:35
dhellmannas I mentioned, talking with boris-42_  and rpodolyaka earlier this week, we agreed to try to have an oslo.db ready by the end of the cycle14:35
rpodolyakabtw, do we have freeze in incubator?14:35
dhellmannIIRC, we don't worry as much about that, because the other projects can just not adopt changes14:36
dhellmannmarkmc, is that right?14:36
rpodolyakamy question is more like, should we rush graduation of oslo.db or we can push changes to incubator for now?14:36
boris-42_dhellmann I think until we have libs yes14:36
dhellmannboris-42_: yes, libs will definitely need to honor the feature freeze14:37
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bnemecI seem to recall that we did freeze incubator last release.14:37
markmcdhellmann, freezing oslo-incubator, in general ?14:37
dhellmannrpodolyaka: I don't want to rush graduation14:37
markmcdhellmann, yeah, we have been doing that14:37
rpodolyakadhellmann: me too14:37
dhellmannmarkmc: ah, ok, that may mean adjusting some plans14:37
markmcdhellmann, so that e.g. if you have critical fixes, they go into incubator and projects sync them across14:38
dhellmannmarkmc: right14:38
markmcdhellmann, rather than post-freeze, push a bunch of features in, then a critical fix, then ... OH CRAP :)14:38
dhellmannmarkmc: that makes sense14:38
dhellmannso for oslo.db, we could retarget any work that doesn't land before the freeze to the library instead of the incubator14:39
markmcdhellmann, https://github.com/dhellmann/oslo.test/pull/114:39
dhellmannbut we would want to land anything that affects the API14:39
bnemecCould we fork oslo.db but not release it right away?14:39
dhellmannbnemec: yes, but we want to avoid the forked version having an API that diverges too much from the incubator version14:40
rpodolyakafork/graduate so we could actually improve and cleanup API, if needed14:40
dhellmannat least at first14:40
dhellmannI want to avoid the lengthy adoption cycle we had with oslo.messaging, if we can14:40
bnemec+114:40
rpodolyakasure, but without some changes to API oslo.db has no sense as a library14:41
rpodolyakae.g. global engines instances14:41
rpodolyakawhich we removed14:41
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markmcso why move out into oslo.db at all yet ?14:41
dhellmannrpodolyaka: yes, with the facade to make adoption easier14:41
markmckeep working in incubator until the new API is ready?14:41
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dhellmannmarkmc: because we also have an issue with other projects being reluctant to merge changes14:42
markmcdhellmann, merge and adapt to API changes, or ?14:42
boris-42_dhellmann ^ +10050014:42
boris-42_markmc no14:42
viktorsat the moment, me with rpodolyaka trying to run some OS projects with oslo.db library to find some hidden issues14:42
boris-42_markmc without any changes14:42
boris-42_markmc just syncing code takes for months14:42
boris-42_markmc and it is really hard to push them to upstream14:42
bnemecNobody likes reviewing oslo syncs14:42
dhellmannviktors: excellent14:42
dhellmannright14:42
markmcdhellmann's point about oslo-incubator API not diverging from oslo.db ...14:42
boris-42_markmc actually there is not too much difference14:43
markmcis so that projects can adapt gradually to the API changes14:43
boris-42_markmc it is not the same as with oslo.messaging14:43
boris-42_markmc that changes everything=)14:43
dhellmannmarkmc: I think we have the API we want with a compatibility layer to make adoption easier14:43
boris-42_markmc here are some small nits around removing singleton of engine and moving it to the project code14:43
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dhellmannrpodolyaka, viktors : do you expect any other API changes in the incubator?14:43
jd__sounds like always the same problem that people don't want to sync regularly :)14:44
boris-42_jd__ yaa14:44
* bnemec still wants the sql_mode change to land before graduation14:44
viktorsdhellmann: I hope, not14:44
viktorslet rpodolyaka fix me if I’m wrong14:44
rpodolyakadhellmann: I think, no. just fixes for lazy loading and dshulyak patches14:44
dhellmannbnemec: is there a bug or blueprint for that?14:44
rpodolyakadhellmann: both are already on review14:44
dhellmannviktors, rpodolyaka : ok,good14:44
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viktorsdhellmann: FYI:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72984/ (Restore the ability to load the DB backend lazily) and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71874/ (Refactor database migration manager to use single engine)14:44
bnemecdhellmann: Just a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/127170614:45
dhellmannviktors: can you email the dev list with a list of the changes you think we need to land before we can split oslo.db out?14:45
dhellmannbnemec: should I add that to i-3?14:45
bnemecdhellmann: I think so.14:45
dhellmannviktors: or are those the only 2?14:45
viktorsdhellmann: yes14:45
dhellmannbnemec: added14:45
bnemecI've already +2'd all of the patches that I can.14:45
bnemecSo they should be pretty close to ready.14:46
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dhellmannbnemec: ok, I'll try to look today or monday14:46
bnemecdhellmann: Thanks14:46
rpodolyakayeah, and this one, completely forgot about it :(14:46
viktorsbnemec: I have a doubt about the first patch in chain... Will re review14:46
dhellmannthere are a lot of database code changes going on, so it would help to have a good priority list so we can focus review effort14:47
bnemecviktors: Sure, thanks.14:47
dhellmannwhen the oslo.db is set up, I'm going to ask infra to create oslo-db-core and oslo-db-milestone groups14:48
dhellmannwe'll put oslo-core in both, but we may also have some reviewers only interested in oslo-db14:48
dhellmannwe need a lead maintainer, and viktors has said he is willing and interested14:49
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viktorsdhellmann: ok :)14:49
dhellmannthis is a new step for us, having a lead maintainer who is not oslo-core14:49
dhellmanndoes anyone have an issue with that, regardless of who the nominee is?14:50
bnemecdhellmann: Isn't Thierry the same for rootwrap?14:50
dhellmannbnemec: ah, true, I forgot about that one14:50
dhellmannok, so not a new step :-)14:50
bnemec:-)14:50
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dhellmannI think we're about ready to move on, unless there are other comments?14:51
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dhellmannok14:52
dhellmann#topic safe_unicode (bnemec)14:52
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dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71362/14:52
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dhellmannbnemec, the floor is yours14:53
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bnemecYeah, so there's some debate over what to do with that.14:53
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bnemecPart of the problem is that it's addressing a pretty obscure edge case - translated strings that don't encode to unicode properly.14:53
bnemecIt really shouldn't happen, but as I said on the review, our translation test coverage is basically nonexistent so it's probably good to be overly safe.14:54
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jungleboyj_I had thought that that was likely to happen in projects but that seems less likely.14:54
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jungleboyj_harlowja_away however is concerned it is needed for the libraries.14:55
bnemecjungleboyj_: Why specific to libraries?14:55
dhellmannis there an example of a case where this failure to encode could come up?14:55
jungleboyj_less control over what is being sent in.  can't guarantee the source of a string.14:56
bnemecjungleboyj_: Right, so that was my point about this being for user input.14:56
jungleboyj_dhellmann there is a test case with the patch.14:56
bnemecBut harlowja_away also said this was needed for translations too.14:56
dhellmannjungleboyj_: a test case demonstrates the fix, I meant a real life case where we've seen an issue14:57
jungleboyj_dhellmann I haven't seen a case.  for translation we just need make sure the string is Unicode.14:57
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jungleboyj_bnemec working on getting all logs and exceptions to be Unicode instead of using str()14:58
dhellmannjungleboyj_: would we eventually want to remove the str() calls from projects when they log objects?14:58
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bnemecWe really should.14:59
bnemecI seem to recall someone (I think Victor Stinner) saying that we shouldn't be using str() on exceptions ever.14:59
dhellmannwhere is safe_unicode() meant to be used? in the projects instead of str() when the log call is made?14:59
jungleboyj_dhellmann yes.  I am working on Cinder and jecarey on Nova.14:59
dhellmannbnemec: yes, that's right, because that breaks translations and causes unicode issues, among other things15:00
jungleboyj_dhellmann that was the original intent but that may be overkill.15:00
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dhellmannjungleboyj_: which was the original intent, changing str() calls to this new function?15:00
bnemecRight.15:00
jungleboyj_it seems it may be a good idea for Oslo to use it though.15:01
jungleboyj_dhellmann yes.15:01
dhellmannI don't understand why this is better than ensuring the objects return unicode properly and stop using byte strings15:01
dhellmannok, we're out of time, though15:01
dhellmannplease start a mailing list thread on this15:01
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dhellmannone other note before we wrap15:01
dhellmann#topic oslo.vmware status (dims)15:01
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jungleboyj_dhellmann Ok.  thanks.15:01
dhellmanndims is blocked on the same infra issue that I am with oslo.test, so those imports are likely to happen at the same time15:02
dhellmannwe'll have separate oslo-vmware acl groups like with oslo-db15:02
dhellmannit's not clear yet whether dims will be the lead, or vipin15:02
dhellmanndims is handling the import, though15:02
dhellmannany questions on the vmware lib?15:03
DinaBelovadhellmann, sorry to interrupt, but I'm just curious if you, folks, will finish your meeting soon :) I should have my one now :)15:03
dhellmannoh, yeah, we're going to have the vmware folks commit directly to the new library and not worry about the incubator -- they say that code is fairly stable and they want to be able to use it in cinder as well as nova15:03
dhellmannDinaBelova: we're seconds away15:03
DinaBelovaok, thanks :)15:04
dhellmannin fact...15:04
dhellmann#endmeeting15:04
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dhellmannsorry, DinaBelova15:04
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-02-14-14.01.html15:04
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-02-14-14.01.txt15:04
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-02-14-14.01.log.html15:04
DinaBelovanever mind :)15:04
DinaBelova#startmeeting climate15:04
openstackMeeting started Fri Feb 14 15:04:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'climate'15:04
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DinaBelovabauzas, casanch1, f_rossigneux, Nikolay_St, pafuent, swann - ping :)15:04
DinaBelovao/15:04
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DinaBelovasay hello who's here :)15:04
Nikolay_Sthello15:05
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casanch1hello15:05
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DinaBelovawow, nice to see you :)15:05
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DinaBelovaI'm curious where is bauzas :)15:05
pafuentHi15:05
DinaBelovapafuent, hello15:06
DinaBelovalet's wait Sylvain few minutes and then start without him if so15:06
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DinaBelovaToday's agenda is the following, btw15:06
DinaBelova#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Climate#Agenda_for_February_14_201415:06
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DinaBelovaI guess bauzas has one more unexpected meeting today :)15:09
DinaBelovaSo I'll start15:09
DinaBelova#topic Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries15:09
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DinaBelovaas for action items they were boring :)15:09
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DinaBelova#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-02-07-15.00.html15:09
DinaBelovaand all (one) done15:09
DinaBelovaas for current reviews, it's more interesting :)15:10
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DinaBelova#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(project:stackforge/climate+OR+project:stackforge/climate-nova+OR+project:stackforge/python-climateclient),n,z15:10
cmarthello15:10
DinaBelovacmart, hello15:10
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DinaBelovapafuent, I want to ask you about devstacj change status15:10
DinaBelovadevstack*15:10
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DinaBelovathere should be few moments fixed there15:11
DinaBelovawhen you'll have time for it?15:11
pafuentThe idea is to work on it after the meeting15:11
DinaBelovapafuent, ok, great, thank you15:11
pafuentI just get approved a change on Infra, that should be fix a screen thing15:11
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DinaBelovaI'm sorry not to see Sylvain, cause I wanted to get Pecan+WSME status too...15:12
pafuentSo I need to check that and solve an issue related to the rpc_backend15:12
DinaBelovapafuent, great, thank you so much15:12
pafuentI'll ask to you later about that15:12
DinaBelovapafuent, ok15:12
casanch1yes, we need to make some change in rpc_backend configuration15:12
DinaBelovaI've left comment15:13
DinaBelovato Pablo's change15:13
DinaBelovaI guess that will be clear15:13
casanch1remember DinaBelova that yesterday we needed to change the config to "rabbit"?15:13
DinaBelovayes, I left comment about it ;)15:13
DinaBelova^^15:13
DinaBelova:)15:13
casanch1:)15:13
DinaBelovaI guess other changes are not so major ones now15:14
DinaBelovaI think most of them we'll get merged soon15:14
DinaBelovaSo I think we may go further to other topic15:14
DinaBelova#topic Climate 0.1.1 and 0.2 status15:14
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DinaBelova#link https://launchpad.net/climate/+milestone/0.1.115:14
DinaBelova#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/0.2.x15:15
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DinaBelovaAs for 0.1.1 we have good progress15:15
DinaBelovaand I believe my thoughts about middle of March are still possible15:15
DinaBelovabut here we have Climate naming issue, btw15:15
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DinaBelovacause I really don't want to have any new release15:16
DinaBelovawithout new name15:16
pafuentThat's true15:16
casanch1+115:16
DinaBelovaok, great15:16
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DinaBelovaNikolay_St, your thoughts?15:16
DinaBelovaabout having new release after name changing?15:17
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DinaBelovanah, Nikolay_St, you here? :)15:17
Nikolay_StDinaBelova: yeap15:17
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DinaBelova#agreed Have next Climate <New_Name> release after new name will be found15:17
DinaBelovaok15:17
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DinaBelovaas for 0.2.0 release15:18
Nikolay_StDinaBelova: I miss the point actually :( New name for next release is great15:18
DinaBelovaNikolay_St, coolio15:18
DinaBelovaI'm really curious about how's going on with notification BP15:18
DinaBelovapafuent, casanch1 - when are you planning start working on it?15:18
casanch1today15:19
DinaBelovaand can you give several estimations about when (probably) it'll be finished?15:19
casanch1I have posted an ethereal page with some thoughts about the implementation15:19
DinaBelovaI mean some first estmation15:19
casanch1I would say that it can take 1 week15:19
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DinaBelovacasanch1, may you please share that page?15:19
DinaBelovacasanch1, I believe it's about first variant?15:20
DinaBelovaI mean one week15:20
casanch1yes, it's in the whiteboard of the bp15:20
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DinaBelovaoh, ok15:20
DinaBelova#info First results with Notification BP in one week15:20
DinaBelovaokay, great15:20
casanch1yes15:21
DinaBelovaFrom myself I may say that I'll be working on HA architecture next week15:21
casanch1hopefully I will have the first review by mid next week15:21
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DinaBelovaand with incubation things + paper work :)15:21
DinaBelovacasanch1, that will be amazing, really15:21
DinaBelovathanks for yuor efforts15:21
DinaBelovayour*15:22
DinaBelovaAre you folks ok to move to next topic?15:22
casanch1yes15:22
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DinaBelovaNikolay_St?15:22
casanch1DivaBelova: np :)15:22
pafuentyes15:22
Nikolay_StDinaBelova: need any help with papework, etc.?15:22
Nikolay_Styeap15:23
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DinaBelovaNikolay_St, we'll see15:23
DinaBelova#topic Climate incubation status (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-incubation-status)15:23
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DinaBelovaI tried to find out what our status is now15:23
DinaBelovaI guess all of you took look on it15:23
DinaBelovadue to comments15:23
DinaBelovaDo you agree with all of my marks?15:24
DinaBelovalike ok/not ok?15:24
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bauzashi all15:24
bauzaso/15:24
DinaBelovabauzas, hello :)15:24
bauzassorry, we just came from a out of office meeting15:24
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DinaBelovaOne more unexpected meeting?15:24
bauzasquite an all-hands15:24
DinaBelova:)15:24
DinaBelovaok, great15:24
SergeyLukjanovo/15:24
DinaBelovaSergeyLukjanov, you here too :)15:24
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bauzasnope it was expected, but I forgot to mention it15:25
DinaBelovawe're now on topic about Climate incubation status15:25
DinaBelovafor bauzas and SergeyLukjanov :)15:25
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bauzasok15:25
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bauzastalking about the etherpad ? :)15:25
DinaBelovaAnd I believe that here are two really important parts of this discussion15:25
DinaBelovayes15:25
Nikolay_Stbauzas: o/15:26
DinaBelovafirst one is about new Naming15:26
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Nikolay_StSergeyLukjanov: o/15:26
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DinaBelovacause there is no use in having incubation without new name15:26
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DinaBelovaand even new release15:26
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DinaBelovaas for incubation, there is issue with one of point15:26
DinaBelovapoints*15:26
DinaBelovaProject must have no known trademark issues [2]15:26
bauzassure15:27
DinaBelovaso we have them and need to fix asap15:27
DinaBelovaI've left separated topic for it15:27
DinaBelovathe next really important moment15:27
bauzasnext week, we could vote for the name15:27
Nikolay_Stbauzas: +115:27
DinaBelovabauzas, Nikolay_St next week is about proposing variants15:27
DinaBelovaas I remember voting on last meeting15:27
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DinaBelovawe may start first round of voting Feb 2415:28
casanch1yes, we can vote next week15:28
bauzasDinaBelova: that's what I'm saying15:28
DinaBelovacasanch1, we've voted last meeting to leave next week as proposal one15:28
DinaBelovaoh. ok15:28
bauzasDinaBelova: no need to wait for another week15:28
DinaBelovaok15:29
DinaBelovaI'll start voting15:29
DinaBelova#startvote Start voting (1st round) for new Climate name Feb 24? yes, no15:29
openstackBegin voting on: Start voting (1st round) for new Climate name Feb 24? Valid vote options are yes, no.15:29
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.15:29
bauzas#vote yes15:29
DinaBelova#vote yes15:29
Nikolay_St#vote yes15:30
pafuent#vote yes15:30
cmart#vote yes15:30
casanch1#vote yes15:30
DinaBelova#endvote15:30
openstackVoted on "Start voting (1st round) for new Climate name Feb 24?" Results are15:30
openstackyes (6): casanch1, Nikolay_St, cmart, DinaBelova, pafuent, bauzas15:30
DinaBelova#startvote End voting (1st round) for new Climate name Feb 28? yes, no15:30
openstackBegin voting on: End voting (1st round) for new Climate name Feb 28? Valid vote options are yes, no.15:30
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.15:30
bauzas#vote yes15:30
DinaBelovaI think one week will be enough for first round15:31
DinaBelova#vote yes15:31
bauzas+115:31
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Nikolay_St#vote yes15:31
DinaBelovapafuent, casanch1?15:31
SergeyLukjanov#vote yes15:31
cmart#vote yes15:32
pafuent#vote yes15:32
DinaBelovaI believe that casanch1 is somewhere around too :)15:32
casanch1#vote yes15:32
DinaBelova#endvote15:32
openstackVoted on "End voting (1st round) for new Climate name Feb 28?" Results are15:32
openstackyes (7): casanch1, Nikolay_St, cmart, pafuent, DinaBelova, SergeyLukjanov, bauzas15:32
DinaBelovaokay15:33
DinaBelovaI think these are next steps for new naming15:33
DinaBelovaI see some ouf you added new variants15:33
DinaBelovaof*15:33
bauzaswe can also vote for the 2nd round15:33
DinaBelovabauzas, ok15:33
bauzas1-> 5 ?15:33
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DinaBelova1->7, I believe15:34
DinaBelova1 and 2 are weekends15:34
DinaBelovaOr as you wish really15:34
bauzasoop15:34
DinaBelovaor 3->715:34
bauzas3 -> 715:34
DinaBelovaok15:34
bauzasbecause we need to setup the 2nd vote15:35
DinaBelova#startvote 2st round for new Climate name Mar 3 -7? yes, no15:35
openstackBegin voting on: 2st round for new Climate name Mar 3 -7? Valid vote options are yes, no.15:35
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.15:35
DinaBelova#vote yes15:35
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pafuent#vote yes15:36
bauzas#vote yes15:36
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cmart#vote yes15:36
Nikolay_St#vote yes15:36
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DinaBelovacasanch1, SergeyLukjanov?15:36
casanch1#vote yes15:37
DinaBelovaoh, I noticed typo :) 2st :D15:37
DinaBelovaI guess it does not matter :)15:37
SergeyLukjanov#vote abstain15:37
openstackSergeyLukjanov: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are yes, no.15:37
bauzasnah15:37
DinaBelovaSergeyLukjanov, smth went wrong with your option :)15:37
DinaBelovaSergeyLukjanov?15:38
SergeyLukjanovIMO it'll be great to choose the name till the end of Feb. at max early March15:38
SergeyLukjanovto have some time to apply renaming15:38
SergeyLukjanovand be able to send incubation proposal before the i315:39
DinaBelovammm15:39
DinaBelovaI forgot when is i3?15:39
SergeyLukjanov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule15:39
SergeyLukjanovMarch 615:39
DinaBelovaI guess it'll be hard to...15:40
SergeyLukjanovthere will be a lot of graduation reviews after the i315:40
DinaBelovaanyway, I'm closing voting15:40
DinaBelova#endvote15:40
openstackVoted on "2st round for new Climate name Mar 3 -7?" Results are15:40
openstackyes (6): casanch1, Nikolay_St, cmart, DinaBelova, pafuent, bauzas15:40
SergeyLukjanovyou can just ignore me on such topics15:40
DinaBelovaSergeyLukjanov, I only want to say we need to have 2 round of voting here15:41
DinaBelovafor new name15:41
DinaBelovaand that might take time15:41
DinaBelovaalso I wanted to mention15:42
DinaBelovathat there is one more thing we should do15:42
DinaBelovato go to incubation15:42
DinaBelova#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-program15:42
DinaBelovaI mean create proposal for new prorgam15:42
DinaBelovaAs we do not fit any current one15:42
DinaBelovaEspecially speaking about next features15:42
DinaBelovawith new resource types15:42
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DinaBelovaSo I want everyone to take look on it, and add your ideas15:43
bauzasok15:43
DinaBelova#action Everyone think about new Program Proposal15:43
bauzas:)15:43
DinaBelova#action Everyone think about more variants for Climate new name and add them to list15:44
casanch1ok15:44
DinaBelovaokay15:44
DinaBelovanext topic15:44
DinaBelova#topic New name for Climate (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-new-name) - list of possible names15:44
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DinaBelovaabout names, really :)15:44
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DinaBelovaWe already have nice list, btw15:44
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DinaBelova11 checked names15:45
DinaBelovaand it'll be more, I believe after I'll check new added15:45
DinaBelovathere are some names added by Diego Pamio15:45
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DinaBelovaI'm really sorry15:45
DinaBelovaBut I don't know who he is :) Does somebody know him?15:46
casanch1yes15:46
pafuentyes15:46
DinaBelovaI'm just curious, I'm ok with new variants anyway15:46
casanch1he works in our team15:46
pafuentsadly ;)15:46
cmarthahaha15:46
DinaBelovapafuent, why sadly? :)15:46
casanch1pafuent, cmart, diego and myself15:46
casanch1we're all part of the same team here in Intel Argentina15:46
pafuentDinaBelova: It's a joke15:47
DinaBelovaheh, ok15:47
DinaBelova:)15:47
pafuentIs a really nice guy15:47
DinaBelovaI guess Reserva and Timtoc are by cmart?15:47
cmarthmm nope15:47
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casanch1nop, mine15:47
DinaBelovacasanch1, sorry :)15:47
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pafuentOne is Christian and the other is Cristian15:48
DinaBelova:D:D:D15:48
casanch1:)15:48
pafuentOnly an H15:48
DinaBelovaOk, we still have next week on adding new positions there15:48
DinaBelovaso we'll start voting after that15:48
DinaBelovaI guess we may go to last free speaking topic15:49
DinaBelova#topic Open discussion15:49
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DinaBelovaAnd I've got point to discuss :)15:49
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bauzasnothing special for me - except I promise to be present next meeting at time :D15:49
DinaBelovaAs I wrote in our channel15:49
Nikolay_Stbauzas: :D15:49
DinaBelovabauzas, heh, I'll be watching u ;015:49
DinaBelovaanyway, I've got now proplems15:50
bauzasDinaBelova: which point ?15:50
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DinaBelovawith devstack env + climate + keystone15:50
DinaBelovaI cannot create trust now15:50
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DinaBelovaand that makes me crazy15:50
Nikolay_Stwow15:50
dpamio@cmart what were you saying about me? :P15:50
DinaBelovait looks like token from trustor goes to keystoneclient15:51
DinaBelovabut does not go to keystone itself15:51
DinaBelovaI could not locate yet place of problem15:51
DinaBelovabut I'm working on it15:51
DinaBelovathe only thing I would like to ask15:51
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casanch1my environment is working ok15:51
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casanch1after I changed the rpc configuration15:51
DinaBelovaok, it was smth I wanted to ask15:52
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DinaBelova:(15:52
DinaBelovasomebody else to check it15:52
DinaBelovacasanch1, I've installed devstack today15:52
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Nikolay_StDinaBelova: what versions of code do you use?15:52
DinaBelovaso smth might change15:52
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casanch1I can check again with the latest changes in climate master15:52
bauzasstill an issue with the trunk client ?15:52
DinaBelovacasanch1 - lates one is oslo.messaging15:52
DinaBelovayou have it already15:52
DinaBelovalatest*, sorry15:53
DinaBelovabauzas, not really....15:53
DinaBelovait was ok a week ago15:53
DinaBelovawith no changes that should break it ...15:53
pafuentTo test it, which will the steps? Will be ok create a VM lease and wait the start?15:53
DinaBelovapafuent, yes15:53
pafuentI'll try it too15:54
DinaBelovapafuent, it even can't  create that lease15:54
DinaBelovaif fails on API layer15:54
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DinaBelovawhere trust is added to rpc call to manager15:54
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DinaBelovacasanch1, may I ask you to send me all versions of everything you have in /opt/stack forlder?15:54
DinaBelovanot versions, maybe, but last commits for every repo?15:54
DinaBelovaI need to find out that issue, 'cause I DO NOT like it15:55
DinaBelovamaybe not all, but climate, climateclient, keystone and keystoneclient15:55
DinaBelovathat'll be enough15:55
casanch1ok15:56
casanch1I will15:56
DinaBelovacasanch1, thanks15:56
DinaBelovaI guess I may end meeting15:56
DinaBelovaany questions?15:56
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Nikolay_Stwell15:56
Nikolay_Stwe forget about pylint fix code review15:56
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DinaBelovaNikolay_St, I guess it's not the biggest our problem now :)15:57
Nikolay_Stjust take a look at it if you can15:57
Nikolay_StDinaBelova: yeap15:57
DinaBelovaNikolay_St, is it fixed already?15:57
DinaBelovaas I remember today's morning there were still errors ther15:57
DinaBelovaethere*15:57
Nikolay_Stdependencies15:57
DinaBelovaargh15:57
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DinaBelovaNikolay_St, sorry?15:57
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DinaBelovawhat do you mean by dependencies?15:58
Nikolay_Stmy last comment about it was about dependencies between 2 patches15:58
DinaBelovaoh, ok15:58
Nikolay_Stas I know it wasn't fix15:58
DinaBelovaI'll look on it15:58
DinaBelovabye!15:58
bauzasok, we're running out of time, folks :)15:58
Nikolay_Stbye15:58
bauzasbye15:58
pafuentbye15:59
DinaBelovaEuropean guys, have a nice weekend :)15:59
casanch1bye guys!15:59
DinaBelovaArgentina guys, have a nice day :)15:59
DinaBelova#endmeeting15:59
cmartbye15:59
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schwickewhile waiting for vishy, did anybody have a chance to look at  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/POC_for_QuotaManagement and  https://github.com/vinodkumarboppanna/POC-For-Quotas/commit/391e9108fa579d292880c8836cadfd7253586f3716:40
schwicke ?16:40
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tiamarschwicke o/16:41
tiamarschwicke: I did, I'm ok with it.16:41
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schwicketiamar: great !16:43
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tiamarschwicke: that was fast, what your next steps?16:51
VINOD_well, we thought to have a discussion on this today16:52
schwickeVinod is doing the work16:52
schwickecredits to him16:52
VINOD_but it seems it will not happen today16:52
schwickewe are ready to go for the real thing16:52
VINOD_and completed the domain quota api implementation16:52
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VINOD_so, i guess as of now, it looks implementing the quota management at command line and dashboard is to be done16:53
tiamarcompleting it on CLI I agree16:54
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VINOD_because on the hierarchical one, nothing has been decided yet and i see it still a long way to go before all agreeing to something substantial16:54
tiamarbut you thought on implementing it on glance and neutron before going to Horizon?16:54
schwickewe're also missing the nova V3 stuff i think16:54
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VINOD_i thought we are going to take the quota implementation as of now with nova only16:54
tiamarright16:55
schwickenova is for us most important16:55
VINOD_so i was in impression to complete the full one for nova16:55
tiamaryeah - Nova is lagging on domains, I don't know if they want it actually.16:55
VINOD_like api, then command line and finally dashboard16:55
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VINOD_tiamar: what is meant by this "Nova is lagging on domains"16:56
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VINOD_ofcourse v3 api's is still left..16:56
VINOD_but i am thinking of waiting on this and do the command line stuff first16:56
tiamarVINOD_: it do not recognize domains, you also have to add the domain id to the context.16:57
VINOD_the v3 auth tokens of keystone provide that16:57
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schwickeit would be good to get some feedback on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/domain-quota-driver-api16:57
VINOD_so that's why for domain quota management it is necessary to use keystone v316:57
tiamarVINOD_ yes, but the information was not on the context nor in the tables.16:57
VINOD_in the context it is there16:58
VINOD_i already tested it and coded it accordingly16:58
tiamarVINOD_ I'm referring to the code in master branch of nova16:58
VINOD_yes, in the nova tables, there is no information about tables. but when ever i need i take it from keystone16:58
tiamarsorry fo rthe confusion16:58
tiamarVINOD_ I believe you have done some tests, why don't you commit it as a WIP to Nova?16:59
VINOD_like for example, if i am changing quota of a project in nova, then i need information about all the projects in a domain, so this i get this by contacting the keystone from nova16:59
VINOD_i am not sure about the master branch...i did install icehouse through RDO and in this code, the context has domain id17:00
VINOD_what is a WIP...17:00
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VINOD_actually i am new to whole thing of submitting the code...or i don't know the correct way to submit....i need somebody's help here...17:01
tiamarWork In Progress17:01
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VINOD_as of now i had submitted the code on github and even sent the links to blueprint, wiki and code to Vishy as well.17:01
VINOD_but he has yet to respond on this17:01
schwickeI'm afraid I have to leave. Maybe the meeting can be rescheduled ?17:01
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tiamarVINOD_ use this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow17:02
VINOD_schwicke: Its ok..17:02
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tiamarschwicke bye17:02
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VINOD_tiamar: i will look into it17:02
VINOD_thanks on the link17:03
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VINOD_Tiago: It seems meeting will not be there..and so i am also leaving...I will look into the link that you had sent....and as of now, we will be working on changing nova CLI stuff for quota management basing on the new APIs17:31
VINOD_it is ok?17:31
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tiamarVINOD_ do as you like it :)17:31
VINOD_ok..thanks...bye for now17:32
tiamarVINOD_ Iam already happy for helping17:32
VINOD_have a nice weekend...bye17:32
VINOD_thanks to you as well for replying to all my doubts17:32
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VINOD_tiamar: have a nice weekend...bye17:32
tiamarVINOD_ you too17:33
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vishyVINOD_, schwicke: sorry i missed the meeting this morning guys17:59
vishyi have some concerns about role mapping17:59
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schwickeok18:07
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schwickevishy: shall we reschedule the meeting ?18:08
schwickewould be good to have the others around, specifically Vinod18:09
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schwickelet's discuss on the mailing list maybe.18:13
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vishyyes18:16
vishyschwicke: i responded on the ml about the quota stuff18:16
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