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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: cuckoo cuckoo | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 14:01:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 14:01 |
| mriedem | hi! | 14:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:01 |
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| leifz | o/ after two weeks out. | 14:01 |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno Status | 14:02 |
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| danpb | \o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the big thing, end of today is Feature Proposal Freeze | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. all patches for code features must be up for review | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | else you will need an exception | 14:02 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I think we said three core reviews to get an exception this time? | 14:03 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: that was the suggestion, based on previous cycles, yeah :) | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, I like that | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyone against that idea? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | s/reviews/reviewers ? | 14:04 |
| dansmith | bauzas: yeah | 14:04 |
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| dansmith | bauzas: sponsors, if you will | 14:04 |
| bauzas | dansmith: gotcha, tks | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info expect you will need three core developer to sponsor a blueprint if you want a feature proposal freeze exception, same for feature freeze exceptions | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK... | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-3 | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | so anyone got any updates on high and medium blueprints they want to discuss | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I have tidied up the list so they are all Needs Code Review | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am likely to kick out the low blueprints with no code tomorrow morning UK time, unless mikal beats me to it | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: you send a good ML update a few days back, any major changes there? | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info please focus on reviewing the high priority and then medium priority blueprints: https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-3 | 14:06 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: on the review priorities? I think most of what I had was about the ironic stuff, | 14:07 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: which is making progress, but I haven't seen anything in the last couple days.. should check this morning | 14:07 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: the code for this is merged from what i can tell https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-differencing-vhdx-resize-support | 14:07 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: thanks I need to double check stuff like that after the big kick out | 14:07 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: as mentioned on the mailing list, i think we need to make it a high priority to also review patches which already have one +2 | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: if you could link the patch series you know about that would be handy | 14:08 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah it's in there, it's only 1 patch | 14:08 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: we've got > 100 patches outstanding which have one +2 and no negative feedback some of which are a month old | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: thats a fair point | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: oh, I assumed that was the spec | 14:08 |
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| danpb | which is just totally ridiculous and creating work for ourselves with inevitable rebases | 14:09 |
| russellb | mriedem: updated | 14:09 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: no i think that missed icehouse so it was ready to go | 14:09 |
| mriedem | russellb: thanks | 14:09 |
| mriedem | danpb: some of those are in the tail end of a series, like vmware refactors | 14:09 |
| mriedem | danpb: it's a good point, it's just not all onesy twosy fixes | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | russellb: thanks | 14:09 |
| danpb | mriedem: that's a tiny minority of the ones i've looked at so far | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | moving on... | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: agreed, looking at stuff that already has a +2 makes sense at this point | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we know what we need to do | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info Feature Proposal Freeze August 21st, September 4th Juno-3, FF and SF | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so all patches need to be in by Sept 4th as a reminder | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | ideally well before that | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so there is a new feature on this web page: | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://54.201.139.117/nova-bugs.html | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info see what is in progress and needs reviewing | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, nothing more there I guess | 14:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate status | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | gate is fine, had a jsonschema issue yesterday but quickly resolved by dansmith | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:13 |
| dansmith | \o/ | 14:13 |
| mriedem | sounds like other projects have the same issue, i.e. sahara | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | top work | 14:13 |
| mriedem | they have a reqs patch to cap jsonschema, but they should probably just update their unit tests | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Mid-cycle summary | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mikal is working on a summary of what happened now | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | etherpad is still there for the other bits | 14:13 |
| mriedem | he has a lot of nice blog posts already | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | http://www.stillhq.com/openstack/juno/000014.html | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-nova-mid-cycle-meetup | 14:14 |
| mriedem | actually http://www.stillhq.com/openstack/juno/ | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, there are a few on the minuets | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: cool, thats the link | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://www.stillhq.com/openstack/juno/ | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | feedback via the ML I guess | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:15 |
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| adrian_otto | o/ Containers Team Update | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so the first think is OS profiler | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats on the agenda | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: are you around? | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy hi there | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105096/ | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy what is this meeting about? | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105089/ | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: this is the nova meeting | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy ahh =) | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy okay ya | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: I think mikal wanted you to talk about the os profiler stuff | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy yep I asked him | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy I thought it's a bit later | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, jogo is −2 on this, and he will not be awake till later on | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy so osprofiler stuff is very useful for developers & operators and dev & production enviorments | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy -2 is cause of politics | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy not because of code | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy so you can ignore that -2 | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy this is comment of Joe | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | blocked until oslo spec is merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103825/ | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy let's talk about osprofiler stuff | 14:18 |
| danpb | is there any nova blueprint for this feature ? | 14:18 |
| mriedem | nope, the blueprint is in oslo | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: thats my object honestly, there isn't one | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | danpb nope, I really don't want to add | 14:18 |
| mriedem | it's one of these cross project things that some projects have adopted already but not nova | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | danpb blueprints for every project | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | mriedem +1 | 14:18 |
| danpb | ok, where is the olso blueprint ? | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | one sec | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | danpb | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | danpb https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103825/ | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | danpb this is | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | danpb spec | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | danpb for dicussion | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | danpb johnthetubaguy actually more interesting is the way how to use it | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | and results | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | danpb johnthetubaguy http://boris-42.github.io/ngk.html | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | so this shows trace of booting VM via CLI | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: OK, I think I will have to stop you, this is taking too long for this meeting with such a wide audience | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: what did you want decided today? | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy just to get more reviews on patch | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: yes or no for the current approach? | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy actually I hope that nobody will be against | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so are people happy with a feature coming into nova via an oslo blueprint | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy mikal as I know is=) | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | in a cross project consistency way | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy I can't say about all people in openstack | 14:21 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, would that be the first? | 14:21 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I'd need to review the impact first | 14:21 |
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| ndipanov | not really I think | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | danpb what kind of impact? | 14:22 |
| dansmith | ndipanov: the first of this magnitude I think | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | dansmith* | 14:22 |
| danpb | unless i'm missing something,the olso spec isn't even approved yet | 14:22 |
| ndipanov | it's not | 14:22 |
| danpb | so isn't it premature to talkl about merging code | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | danpb it's not approved, cause I am waiting more poeple | 14:22 |
| bauzas | I'll also put some comments on how it's proposed | 14:22 |
| ndipanov | but a lot of the comments are some political bikesheding about where it belongs | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | danpb I would like to discuss with as much as possible people | 14:22 |
| danpb | to be clear, i think the feature is very useful and desirable | 14:22 |
| dansmith | boris-42: meaning what the impact to nova code is, to decide if I think it needs a spec or not | 14:22 |
| ndipanov | it's been on my list for some time now but never got to it | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | dansmith there is no big impact | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | dansmith on code | 14:23 |
| danpb | but it seems pretty late in the day for us to talk about this for nova now isn't it ? | 14:23 |
| bauzas | the implementation requires an external dependency which is not part of the reqs.txt IIUC | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: thats me feeling here | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | bauzas ? | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | bauzas it's in global requriemtns | 14:23 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: certainly too late for juno, right? | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we just need to discuss this one on the ML after people have reviewed the patch | 14:23 |
| danpb | separately we should definitely clarify how we want to handle things like this from the specs process POV | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: thats my thinking | 14:23 |
| danpb | because we don't want to make people create one spec for every project | 14:23 |
| leifz | this spec also includes API changes correct? | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | danpb ya that sux | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I see it as having missed the blueprint freeze | 14:24 |
| danpb | but we need a way to draw nova teams atttention to the oslo spec | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: agreed, we should have a way to do that | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy this feature was discussed since Atlanta summit | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy and there were cross session | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | fwiw for db2 we've created specs for each project | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy and I addressed all issues | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy and even more | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:24 |
| mriedem | which is cross project | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | johnthetubaguy so it's not from yestarday | 14:24 |
| dansmith | specs for each project make sense if the impact is not the same to each project, IMHO | 14:24 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, were you happy with that | 14:24 |
| ndipanov | ? | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | mriedem imho I don't want to taht=) | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: yes, but there were two sessions at once, and I didn't know it impacted nova, etc | 14:24 |
| mriedem | ndipanov: each project has different db migration issues with db2 so yeah it made sense | 14:25 |
| leifz | dansmith: +1 | 14:25 |
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| ndipanov | ok then | 14:25 |
| danpb | mriedem: potentially we could simply create a dummy placeholder nova spec that says no more than "read the oslo spec" as a way to draw attention to it | 14:25 |
| mriedem | boris-42: i'm not saying we wanted to, but it is what it is | 14:25 |
| mriedem | danpb: sure | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: that would be reasonable I feel, just to get nova drivers to sign off on it, I like that | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | mriedem ya but in this case approach is absolutely the same | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | mriedem you need patch in client, you need patch in main project, and they are almost similiar | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | mriedem probably some tests are affected but overall it's the same change | 14:26 |
| dansmith | if it touches our API, then it seems like it has to have a spec, right? | 14:26 |
| dansmith | even if it's just the API bits, and then "look at the oslo spec for the rest of the details" | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | dansmith okay guys if you need spec | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 it changes the paste file | 14:26 |
| leifz | boris-42: the concern I have is getting ops folks to take a look who only look at nova specs and not oslo specs. | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | dansmith ant these are rules | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | dansmith I can make it | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | dansmith but I hope I won't need to wait Kilo? | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | dansmith to get it? | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: if it needs a spec, its not in juno, I think thats the thing | 14:27 |
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| dansmith | boris-42: you do in my opinion | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | dansmith okay I will do spec | 14:27 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: anyway, I think we need to move on, right? | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yes | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | dansmith or I should wait Kilo? | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | dansmith didn't get | 14:27 |
| dansmith | boris-42: kilo | 14:27 |
| danpb | i think that given this is the first time most of core seems to have heard about this feature Kilo looks like best option | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | dansmith nope that is bad thing | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info seems like we need to wait for kilo of os profiles, move discussion to ML | 14:27 |
| ndipanov | being pragmatic about this - easy perf profiling is a massive win for all, and I would not like to see it blocked on process | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | (*facepalm*) | 14:27 |
| dansmith | danpb: this has had a huge amount of press, I dunno that it's new to everyone, | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | sorry guys | 14:28 |
| dansmith | danpb: it's just unreviewed right now because of the timing I think | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | dansmith danpb guys this things can help you in development | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | to safe billions of hours | 14:28 |
| ndipanov | if not even millions :) | 14:28 |
| bauzas | I just discovered osprofiler in global reqs | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | on fixing different races, and bugs | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | two or three weeks back, with an approve oslo spec, then we would probably wave it through | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | performance issues and so on | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | bauzas yep it is | 14:28 |
| bauzas | can't really see why it needs to be there | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | bauzas and it is already in galnce | 14:28 |
| danpb | boris-42: no one is debating that this is a useful feature | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | bauzas and today will be in cinder | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | right now, we have so much to get juno out the door, we can't really afford the discussion, which sucks | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | danpb yep but I really don't see any reason to block it until Kilo | 14:29 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: right, that | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | danpb can we get FFF for it? | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | danpb dansmith I can disable it by default | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | danpb dansmith if it makes sense | 14:29 |
| dansmith | boris-42: don't make me come up with a meaning for FFF :P | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | boris-42: please request on the ML, ideally with a nova-spec pointing to the merged solo spec | 14:29 |
| bauzas | having a dependency disabled by default sounds weird to me... | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, really must move on... | 14:29 |
| danpb | requesting FFF is reasonable way to continue the discussion | 14:29 |
| bauzas | we already have numpy as a painful dep... | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | Opening specs for Kilo...? | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | bauzas please don't compare osprofiler with numpy | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | but no approvals till we get the process sorted? | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | bauzas osprofiler is 200 lines stuff | 14:30 |
| ndipanov | I do think that it being late for J is realistic - just hate for it to be on a process snag | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | bauzas without any deependency | 14:30 |
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| danpb | yes please, on the grounds that I think we should require any nova design summit session proposal to have some prior discussions or proposal (whether a spec or a wiki page) | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: +1 | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | danpb dansmith bauzas guys okay I'll make some email | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we just let people submit for kilo | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | any objections at this point? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: does it get sorted out later then with the slots thing? | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | just to be clear, they might not get reviewed till later | 14:31 |
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| danpb | yep, no approvals until we're better on top of Juno work | 14:31 |
| mriedem | was reading through jogo's k blueprint process patches a bit yesterday, | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, no approvals still we decide whats happening for approvals (re slots, etc) | 14:31 |
| mriedem | sounds like there is debate about when a spec is required, | 14:32 |
| danpb | and review of specs would be low priority for core team given juno code backlog | 14:32 |
| mriedem | but i guess if people want to write them, that's no skin off reviewers backs if they aren't reviewing them | 14:32 |
| mriedem | right | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, we were going to slacken it off a bit | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, I have no plans to review specs till after feature freeze at this point, but we could let people submit | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | also with the warning the template may get updated a little | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds like we are agreed there… do speak up if not | 14:33 |
| belliott | i'm still for getting rid of specs, i know i'm a minority | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | … next is… Power KVM CI? | 14:33 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i think that's old | 14:34 |
| mriedem | from last week | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think mikal wanted an update or something | 14:34 |
| mriedem | krtaylor isn't here | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I could be wrong | 14:34 |
| mriedem | i'll bug him in -nova | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | never mind, its probably the wrong time of day | 14:34 |
| dansmith | I haven't been seeing it report, | 14:34 |
| dansmith | so I assume no new news | 14:34 |
| mriedem | it's disabled since last monday | 14:35 |
| danpb | PowerKVM CI seems to be either awol or failing or both | 14:35 |
| dansmith | it's disabled now | 14:35 |
| dansmith | because it's broken | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | minesweeper is apparently waking back up now? | 14:35 |
| dansmith | no reason or details, AFAIK | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (needed more hardware I was told) | 14:35 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: MS seems to be very up and down lately, and tjones has been MIA for most of it | 14:35 |
| mriedem | well MS was busted due to removing the esxi driver i guess | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: its certainly been very patchy | 14:36 |
| mriedem | that is sorted out now after several mini-reverts | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | XenServer CI had some blips, but I think BobBall got those sorted now | 14:36 |
| dansmith | mriedem: it's still not running normally | 14:36 |
| danpb | FYI this has some nice reports on CI status http://ci-stats.cloudbase.it/ | 14:36 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I've had a -2 on a spawn refactor patch for a while | 14:36 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah saw that | 14:36 |
| danpb | it is a bit better than what mikal's site reports as it shows the trends of CI over time | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | nice | 14:37 |
| * mriedem bookmarks | 14:37 | |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | any other stuff? | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | adrian_otto: did you have container stuff? | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | adrian_otto: we don't really do sub-team updates, just keeping it to critical release status stuff or breaking updates now | 14:38 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I have two questions for the Noca team | 14:38 |
| adrian_otto | *Nova | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:38 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/114044 Containers Service Spec | 14:38 |
| adrian_otto | 1) Is a full API spec desired for a high level spec for a new service? | 14:38 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i guess i'll have something if you can come back to me | 14:38 |
| adrian_otto | It might be better to agree on the concept and propose the API in a series of commits to the stackforge/containers repo in docstrings so we can more easily iterate on specific implementation of the API. | 14:38 |
| adrian_otto | because in this week's team meeting we declared an intent to have an OpenStack specific API, and not just adopt Docker's API. | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | adrian_otto: ah, gotcha, maybe a follow up change on the spec? | 14:39 |
| adrian_otto | planning that, but I am looking for conceptual guidance | 14:39 |
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| dansmith | the whole api spec is probably too large for being in the containers service spec,right? | 14:40 |
| adrian_otto | exactly | 14:40 |
| danpb | adrian_otto: i think we view the specs as only needing high level design - focus on concepts, architecture & psuedo code at most | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats fair | 14:40 |
| adrian_otto | that would make the spec impossible to review | 14:40 |
| danpb | certainly don't want detailed code technical design in the spec | 14:40 |
| dansmith | since this is large and new, perhps just iterate on the spec without the api details, and then have your own spec document in your tree as well | 14:40 |
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| dansmith | danpb: I think he's asking because we require api snippets in api-affecting specs for nova | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: honestly we need to set that expectation better, for APIs we make very detailed requirements at the moment, but yeah | 14:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks. Any opposing viewpoints for us to consider on this point? | 14:41 |
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| adrian_otto | if not, I'll advance to the second question | 14:41 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/115328 Stackforge Repo Spec | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems good, do what works best I guess | 14:41 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115328/2/modules/openstack_project/files/gerrit/acls/stackforge/containers.config Comments on PTL for Containers Service | 14:41 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Should there be a separate PTL for a new compute program project, or should it be the Nova PTL? | 14:41 |
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| adrian_otto | we don't yet have a group called compute-ptl | 14:42 |
| dansmith | I think while it's in stackforge, you're totally separate, right? | 14:42 |
| dansmith | I think that's what we agreed on | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we said inside the "compute" program eventually | 14:42 |
| dansmith | so that you can iterate quickly | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:42 |
| adrian_otto | well, our intent is for this to be a compute program project | 14:42 |
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| adrian_otto | and I want to properly signal that | 14:42 |
| dansmith | right, so I don't think it matters for the stackforge bootstrapping | 14:42 |
| adrian_otto | so one thing I could do is make a containers-ptl group, and put a note in the commit message explaining that choice | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, maybe just say its the nova one, but have your own core list, for now? | 14:43 |
| danpb | the intent is for this to become part of Nova eventually right | 14:43 |
| adrian_otto | johnthetubaguy: ok, that would work | 14:43 |
| dansmith | danpb: part of compute | 14:43 |
| adrian_otto | danpb: not part of nova, but part of the compute program that Nova belongs to | 14:43 |
| danpb | dansmith: what's the distinction there ? forever having a separate core team & ptl ? | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 in compute program, not in nova tree | 14:44 |
| adrian_otto | so it will belong to the PTL, who currently only controls Nova | 14:44 |
| dansmith | danpb: no, not necessarily core | 14:44 |
| adrian_otto | but will have it's own core group | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | adrian_otto: sounds fine for stackforge | 14:44 |
| dansmith | danpb: the distinction is two separate projects that share the same PTL and general mission statement (or whatever it's called), but could have different core teams | 14:44 |
| adrian_otto | the PTL question really only matters for tagging releases | 14:44 |
| danpb | ok | 14:45 |
| adrian_otto | so I honestly don't care who carries that responsibility | 14:45 |
| dansmith | adrian_otto: I don't think we do either, until you're formally part of the program :) | 14:45 |
| adrian_otto | it will not impeede iterative progress | 14:45 |
| dansmith | (IMHO) | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:45 |
| bauzas | well, you'll have to follow the Nova release cycle, even as a Stackforge project tho | 14:45 |
| adrian_otto | dansmith: good, thanks | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | adrian_otto: you can always change it I guess | 14:45 |
| dansmith | adrian_otto: if one option is less paperwork than the other, then I'd choose that :) | 14:45 |
| adrian_otto | bauzas: yes! | 14:45 |
| adrian_otto | :-) | 14:46 |
| bauzas | adrian_otto: which is, from my understanding, the first time I'm seeing that | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | adrian_otto: cool, sounds like we answered everything now? | 14:46 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks, those are the two open questions we had. We are iterating on design, and starting on API design work now. | 14:46 |
| bauzas | adrian_otto: because stackforge projects are not possibly following openstack release cycle | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: did you have something? | 14:46 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yeah on the enforce unique instance uuids patch, | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 14:46 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97946/ | 14:46 |
| mriedem | t-h actually has some data sets with null instance uuids | 14:47 |
| bauzas | adrian_otto: ping me when you're free about containers vs. gantt, interested by this | 14:47 |
| mriedem | so if you're on a gerrit dashboard and see that review, it has a -1 | 14:47 |
| mriedem | b/c of t-h | 14:47 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah, mikal pointed that out right? | 14:47 |
| adrian_otto | bauzas: yes sir. | 14:47 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah | 14:47 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I think he said he was going to figure out where those came from if possible | 14:47 |
| mriedem | jhesketh also commented in the change | 14:47 |
| mriedem | jhesketh basically said he's going to leave it there until the change is merged | 14:47 |
| mriedem | anyway, | 14:48 |
| mriedem | my question is if that's fine - it's going to detract from reviews, but it's low priority anyway, | 14:48 |
| mriedem | i figured i'd just update the commit message pointing it out | 14:48 |
| mriedem | so i don't have to answer the question 10 times | 14:48 |
| dansmith | yeah, seems fine | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:48 |
| mriedem | plus, if that does ever merge, t-h is going to be f'ed until they purge those rows :) | 14:48 |
| mriedem | alright, that's it | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 14:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds like that everything, and we are done, any more? | 14:49 |
| * danpb has an item | 14:49 | |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: fire away | 14:49 |
| danpb | what is our guideline for reviewing nova client code changes wrt v3 api | 14:50 |
| dansmith | -2 I think | 14:50 |
| danpb | are we still caring about maintaining the v3 client classes | 14:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, interesting, −2 I guess | 14:50 |
| danpb | because it is really tedious reviewing identical code changes to both the v1_1 and v3/ directories | 14:50 |
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| dansmith | so no new code for those things, I think, | 14:50 |
| danpb | so should we discourage people from changing v3/ directory at this point or not ? | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I thought we decided v3 was never going to get exposed as v3, so that should never get merged | 14:51 |
| dansmith | but removing them is kinda breaking the library-ness of the client | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: oh, what did we add? | 14:51 |
| dansmith | but they won't work past a point, so we should probably make the v3 module in the client raise some exception if you try to use them | 14:51 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: what do you mean? | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, and bump the major version I guess | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: sorry, its me being slow, didn't think we had any v3 in the client right now | 14:52 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: we do, don't we? wasn't that a requirement for getting as close as we were to having v3? | 14:52 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: https://github.com/openstack/python-novaclient/tree/master/novaclient/v3 | 14:52 |
| vishy | minor request: the last three paches for the multiple networks spec are waiting on a single core review on this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95262/ | 14:52 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: well python-novaclient has novaclient/v3/*.py | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, its coming back to me, was just looking there | 14:53 |
| dansmith | yeah, it's really unfortunate, | 14:53 |
| dansmith | but I think we need to basically replace all those with stubs that fail long-term | 14:53 |
| dansmith | technically nobody should be using them, but... | 14:53 |
| danpb | and the v3 code is pretty badly out of sync with the v1 dir | 14:53 |
| dansmith | danpb: yeah | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like we should do that ASAP before more people start using that stuff | 14:53 |
| dansmith | danpb: the v3 patches going into nova that are moving it back to v2.1 are okay to approve of course, but any actual v3 patches should be -2d in nova and novaclient, IMHO | 14:54 |
| danpb | so taking something like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115246/ we should -2 that change ? | 14:54 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: maybe, I'm not sure what our messaging has been on that, and technically the client code can be used against, say icehouse | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: we have a load of jsonscheme stuff up for review, which is basically the crux of v2.1 I supose | 14:54 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: well, it's not just jsonschema stuff of course | 14:55 |
| danpb | or this one which i approved earlier https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112130/ we should have made them kill the file changes to v3 ? | 14:55 |
| dansmith | danpb: yes, -2 I think | 14:55 |
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| dansmith | danpb: yes | 14:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: agreed | 14:55 |
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| danpb | we should probably have something in the wiki we note this, or a post to the mailing list to alert contributors that changes to v3 are not wanted anymore | 14:56 |
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| dansmith | danpb: maybe we wait for the v3 summary from the midcycle, | 14:56 |
| danpb | something we can just post a link to in reviews so we don't have to explain it over & over again | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: yeah, we haven't been very clear on that, we need a nova-drivers meeting soon, to thrash out these kinds of things | 14:56 |
| dansmith | and then send out something on that with the policy impacts? | 14:56 |
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| danpb | dansmith: sounds good | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: oh, thats a good idea, like follow up with policy impacts code reviews | 14:57 |
| dansmith | I think that would be the most efficient | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome, so we are basically out of time | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I found most of that useful, feeback always welcome as we try make these meeting more useful | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more that people want to discuss? | 14:57 |
| PhilD | Sometimes you have to change the existign V3 files and tests though. For exampelethe change I have to add two new quotas, they get picked up in the V3 API anyway (and we don't have extensiosn to hide them) - so I assume in that case the V£ changes are stil OK? | 14:57 |
| dansmith | PhilD: I guess only if it's required to pass tests | 14:58 |
| dansmith | but we're not running tempest on v3 anymore, for example | 14:58 |
| dansmith | so it would just be unit tests I think | 14:58 |
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| PhilD | Yeah - its unit test stuff | 14:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hmm, I guess its going drift more out of sync now, but thats life | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, time is up | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 14:59:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-21-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-21-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-08-21-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 15:00:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
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| ameade | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | good morning/good afternoon/good evening | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | we do have an agend | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | but I'll start with the incubation stuff | 15:01 |
| bswartz | since I'm getting a bunch of questions about that | 15:01 |
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| scottda | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic incubation | 15:01 |
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| dustins | o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | so the TC is mostly positive on it | 15:02 |
| bswartz | but the vote hasn't completed yet | 15:02 |
| bswartz | for your reading pleasure: | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-08-19-20.02.log.html | 15:02 |
| bswartz | There is a thread on the ML which explains some of the TC member's hesitance: | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/041929.html | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | the actual votes are here: | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111149/ | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113583/ | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | any questions about all that? | 15:04 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: how many +1 do we need? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | 7 | 15:04 |
| bswartz | according to ttx | 15:04 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, <ttx> 3. The driver/vendor aspect (avoid another Neutron with no first-party driver really viable, getting swamped by driver requests, relationship with glusterfs) | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: so just missing 1 | 15:05 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, ^^ didn't understand that.. | 15:05 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: is the -1 blocking? | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: so many people consider neutron a disaster of a project | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: I guess no | 15:05 |
| bswartz | because it's all vendor driven and there is a lack of a software-only implementation supported by the neutron core team | 15:05 |
| ttx | bswartz: You actually need at least 4 YES and more YES than NO, but 7 gives you majority and immediate approval | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: need 7 yes | 15:05 |
| bswartz | manila doesn't have that problem, because we have a very highly functional generic driver that we support | 15:06 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, relnship with glusterfs.. what is that ? :) | 15:06 |
| ttx | err.. 5 YES | 15:06 |
| bswartz | ttx: thanks for clarification | 15:06 |
| ttx | (ref: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/charter.rst#n79) | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: actually I didn't understand the comment about glusterfs | 15:07 |
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| toabctl | bswartz: so what's the solution for manila to avoid the Neutron scenario? good support for the current generic driver? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | since we have ttx here, can he explain what he meant? | 15:07 |
| ttx | bswartz: on tha (3) point, | 15:07 |
| bswartz | toabctl: yes that's exactly the plan | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | we have plans to improve the generic driver in terms of scalability and HA | 15:08 |
| ttx | That's a catch-all for the potential that Manila becomes another Neutron or Cinder | 15:08 |
| bswartz | and also work on any issues with its performance in general (as much as can be done with a software-only driver) | 15:08 |
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| ameade | :q | 15:09 |
| ameade | >.< | 15:09 |
| ttx | bswartz: i.e. you receiveing hate mail from vendors you displease | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ttx: I feel that cinder and neutron have gone very different directions culturally | 15:09 |
| xyang1 | ttx: what the problem with Cinder? curious | 15:09 |
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| ttx | there were 3 concerns I lumped into that catch-all | 15:09 |
| bswartz | my hope is to follow the path of cinder | 15:09 |
| bswartz | no neutron | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | s/no/not/ | 15:10 |
| ttx | A. make sure you have an open source solution that works extremely well | 15:10 |
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| ttx | rather than a second-class citizen | 15:10 |
| ttx | B. Try to keep the driver requests under control | 15:10 |
| nileshb | opensource meaning - non-vendor-specific? | 15:10 |
| ttx | so that you don't get swamped under them | 15:10 |
| bswartz | ttx: do you characterize glusterfs as a second open source solution, or a vendor specific driver? | 15:10 |
| ttx | nileshb: meaning open sourced. | 15:11 |
| ttx | bswartz: glusterfs is open source. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay I think we're on the same page then | 15:11 |
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| ttx | C. clarify the relationship with glusterfs, which I think we just discussed :) | 15:11 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:12 |
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| ttx | just trying to learn from experience :) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | any more questions on incubation or should I move on to the agenda? | 15:12 |
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| xyang1 | ttx: when will we get verdict | 15:12 |
| toabctl | so is glusterfs the main driver or the current generic driver? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | fwiw, I'm aware of several vendor-specific drivers being worked on, and I'm excited to see them land because I think the existing of multiple drivers will prove our architecture is correct | 15:13 |
| bswartz | toabctl: generic is the one the core team maintains and recommends | 15:13 |
| ttx | xyang1: voting is asynchronous now. If we don't get a majority at next meeting, i'll call for final vote, which triggers the "5+YES and 4-NO" rule I mentioned above | 15:13 |
| bswartz | so far the glusterfs work has been done exclusively by redhat, and we want to see it succeed | 15:14 |
| toabctl | bswartz: ok. thx | 15:14 |
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| ttx | so worst case scenario, middle of next week | 15:14 |
| xyang1 | ttx: thanks | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | alright let's move on | 15:15 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | dev status: | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | 1) LVM driver was removed. Generic driver is default now. | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | 2) 'sid' share access rules were renamed to 'user' | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Removing dependency of NetApp 7-mode driver for NetApp Cmode driver | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/remove-netapp-7mode-driver | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/113596 | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | 4) replacement of sqlalchemy-migrate with alembic | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/alembic-instead-of-sqlalchemy-migrate | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/110959 | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | 5) Add support to use default network by multitenant drivers | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/default-network-for-multitenant-drivers | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | that's the main | 15:17 |
| bswartz | ty vponomaryov | 15:17 |
| bswartz | we may want to discuss the last one | 15:17 |
| bswartz | we disucussed it at length earlier this week | 15:17 |
| bswartz | privately | 15:17 |
| bswartz | oh wait that's the next agenda item | 15:18 |
| bswartz | doh! | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | any questions on the rest of this stuff | 15:18 |
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| toabctl | why is the 7-mode driver removed ? | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | toabctl: that was the original driver we used as a POC for the manila concept like 2 years ago | 15:19 |
| rushil | toabctl: according to my understanding it was poorly written. | 15:19 |
| bswartz | it never had multitenant support, and NetApp didn't want to invest in adding multitenant support because netapp had mutlitenant support in the c-mode driver | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | rushil: not poorly written, just lacking features | 15:20 |
| bswartz | anyways it served its purpose and we didn't need it anymore | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | similar to the 'LVM' driver | 15:20 |
| rushil | bswartz: It can be brought back though, right? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | it's in the git history if someone wants to resurrect it and implement all the missing stuff | 15:21 |
| toabctl | bswartz: but then ONTAP running in 7-mode is no longer supported, right? | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | toabctl: correct | 15:21 |
| toabctl | bswartz: ok. thx for clarification. | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | so far netapp hasn't expressed an interest in supporting 7mode under manila -- that may change | 15:22 |
| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:22 |
| bswartz | #topic Discuss blueprint "Add support to use default network by multitenant driver" | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/default-network-for-multitenant-drivers | 15:23 |
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| vvechkanov | Ok, let's discuss blueprint "creating default share network for generic driver". | 15:23 |
| bswartz | vvechkanov: you want to start this one? | 15:23 |
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| vvechkanov | bswarts, yes I can/ | 15:23 |
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| vvechkanov | Now blueprint looks this way: | 15:24 |
| vvechkanov | we will create default share_network in the service tenant. | 15:24 |
| vvechkanov | This share network can be created by admin or will be created by manila automatically. This share network will be used for creating shares in any tenant if shared network is not specified in the request. | 15:25 |
| vvechkanov | 15:25 | |
| vvechkanov | ut this plan have some problems. User, working in tenant will have shares, which will be created using this default shared network. But user has not acces to service tenant and can't see this shared network. So user will have share, but will not have possibility to look at some options which network it works. | 15:25 |
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| vvechkanov | May somebody have ideas what can be done to avoid this problem? And is it a big problem that user will not see some configuration options of his hsare? | 15:26 |
| deepakcs | vvechkanov, just confirming.. this idea of using share_network (if not provided) is only applicable to generic driver, rite ? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | vvechkanov: so my feeling on this is that the "default" network shouldn't have any settings that users need to be aware of | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | it's the admins responsibility to configure it such that it works for all tenants | 15:27 |
| nileshb | will the default network once created (automatically or by admin) be immutable? | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | nileshb: that | 15:27 |
| vvechkanov | deepakcs, No i'm very sorry it's my mistake. It will be for all drivers. | 15:27 |
| vvechkanov | I jsut forgot to rename blueprint( | 15:27 |
| bswartz | nileshb: that's debatable | 15:27 |
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| scottda | I agree with bswartz. Users shouldn't need access to the network. | 15:27 |
| bswartz | the default network will apply to all drivers | 15:28 |
| scottda | for configuration, etc | 15:28 |
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| nileshb | so if the admin deletes it and someone creates a share without specifying net-id .. default n/w is already gone | 15:28 |
| bswartz | and the non-multitenant-supporting drivers will use it exclusively | 15:28 |
| deepakcs | vvechkanov, then i am bit confused, for cases where the backend supports multi-tenancy, why would share-network be needed to be enforced ? | 15:28 |
| vvechkanov | nileshb, default network will be created again in this case. | 15:28 |
| nileshb | ok .. then the original one .. no more exists .. which might have been used to create some of the previous shares | 15:29 |
| vvechkanov | deepakcs, this idea works good whan we have flat netwrok in neutron | 15:29 |
| bswartz | so deepakcs: consider the case of someone using the Netapp driver in a flat network environment | 15:29 |
| bswartz | the netapp driver still needs to create a "share server" (vserver) and we need network info to do that | 15:30 |
| bswartz | the same is true of the generic driver | 15:30 |
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| nileshb | probably admin should not be allowed to delete a default n/w .. if it is 'in-use' | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | we need to create a nova VM and it needs to live on a network | 15:30 |
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| rushil | vvechkanov: But what if scenario is when we do not have a flat network? | 15:30 |
| vvechkanov | nileshb, if I understand you correctly... Administrator can't delete share networks if there are shares using it. | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | nileshb: it would be strange, if admin deletes usable things. In this case he should port shares to another server/network | 15:31 |
| nileshb | vvechkanov: exactly | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | if we don't have a flat network, then the default share network may be inaccessible to tenants -- in which case they shoudn't use it | 15:31 |
| vvechkanov | rushil, than nothing changes. User can't create shares without specifing share netwrok | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | in fact we may want to consider allowing the admin to explicitly disable it | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | I'm feeling pretty strongly that the default SHOULD be immutable as long as its in use | 15:32 |
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| nileshb | bswartz: +1 | 15:32 |
| bswartz | attempts to modify it should fail unless all shares using it are deleted | 15:32 |
| bswartz | that includes deleting it | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | deleting the default share network, that is | 15:33 |
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| nileshb | deleting share looks tough | 15:33 |
| bswartz | what do you mean? | 15:33 |
| nileshb | do we allow detach n/w? | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | nileshb: | 15:33 |
| bswartz | deleting a share is a basic operation | 15:33 |
| nileshb | and reattach those to new n/w | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | nileshb: no, there are no functionality yet, if you mean migration of shres | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | s/shres/shares/ | 15:34 |
| nileshb | ok | 15:34 |
| bswartz | the design of manila right now requires that shares have a share network and that association can never change | 15:35 |
| nileshb | ok got it | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | it wouldn't be impossibe to change that but it would be really hard | 15:35 |
| bswartz | the theory is that most tenants will have exactly one share network that they use and this won't be a big deal | 15:35 |
| bswartz | tenant with special needs may create more than 1 | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | no 2 tenants can share a share network (sorry for overloaded term) | 15:37 |
| bswartz | except for the default one | 15:37 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, a dumb Q (maybe)... | 15:37 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: why this restriction? | 15:37 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, Do we still need a share-network if the backend manages its own multi-tenancy and User wants the instance to directly connect to backend | 15:38 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, for eg: In case of glusterfs native protocol | 15:38 |
| bswartz | xyang1: it simplifies implementation -- and we never identified any use case where tenants would need to share a share network | 15:38 |
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| vponomaryov | share-network belongs to tenant, but it depends on network itself, does two tenants has crossing access or not | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: do not forget about security services | 15:39 |
| bswartz | if there is a legitimate reason to have a single share accessed by 2 or more tenants, than can be achieved with virtual routes between those 2 tenant's networks | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | but the share is still owned by 1 tenant and uses his security settings and his network settings | 15:40 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I don't have a specific use case, just thinking about the possibilities | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: we thought about is an discussed it at length several months ago because people asked the same question | 15:41 |
| deepakcs | vponomaryov, not cler to me.. why do I need a share-network in case of native glusterfs protocol | 15:41 |
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| vponomaryov | deepakcs: in case of glusterFS - no | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: the concept is required - yes | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I'm comfortable with the decision we arrived at, but we can always revisit stuff if someone has a new use case we didn't consider | 15:41 |
| deepakcs | vponomaryov, ok, but the above discussion said share-network will be created if not supplied | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: because it is used for other stuff by other drivers | 15:41 |
| deepakcs | vponomaryov, so not clear if that affects my instance -> glusterfs server path/networking in any way | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | deepakcs: driver decides use it or not | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | no | 15:42 |
| deepakcs | vponomaryov, ok, thanks | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | because driver makes decision | 15:42 |
| deepakcs | vponomaryov, ok | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | =) | 15:42 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: we need to discuss networking and glusterfs more because I have some ideas that may not match reality | 15:42 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, sure, fire a mail or we can talk on IRC | 15:43 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, due to TZ diff, mail is better | 15:43 |
| bswartz | or maybe we just have some misunderstanding | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | my top priority is to make sure that the generic driver works well in both multitenant and single tenant environments, and that the setup for both is straighforward and easy to understand | 15:44 |
| bswartz | errr | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I meant flat network not single tenant | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | I think of flat networks as conceptually single tenant, even though many people use multitenant with flat network | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: actually it works | 15:44 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: but only from neutron | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I know it works -- I just want to make sure it's really easy and straightforward | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | the fact that some developers aren't clear on this means we haven't done a good job of communicating how each type of environment should be setup | 15:46 |
| bswartz | we probably need a wiki that goes into both types of configs | 15:46 |
| rushil | bswartz: +1 | 15:46 |
| bswartz | that's another topic though | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | okay this is vvechkanov's topic though and we've gotten way off track | 15:47 |
| bswartz | vvechkanov: are you clear on what the next step should be? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | or do we need to summarize? | 15:48 |
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| vvechkanov | Yes, as I understand this idea looks good. | 15:48 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:48 |
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| vvechkanov | So I'll provid commit on gerrit and we will look at it, and may be discuus in comments | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I always feel better debating code rather than abstract ideas in blueprints | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: let's plan on setting aside some time soon to improve our wiki docs for how to setup both flat and vlan-based networks (perhaps other types too) | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | and making sure those docs cover the default network stuff when its done | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | okay 9 minutes left -- anyone have another topic to discuss? | 15:51 |
| nileshb | Last week I have submitted GPFS driver code for review | 15:51 |
| nileshb | which includes NFS Ganesha support with the ganesha utils | 15:52 |
| nileshb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114311/ | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I'm going to be on vacation at the beach next week -- it's not clear if I'm going to miss this meeting or not, but if I have to miss I'll find someone to run it in my absence | 15:52 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, and I submiited cert-based access type WIP for review (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114736/). Looking fwd for comments. | 15:52 |
| nileshb | Driver functionality is complete .. it is in WIP state since I am yet to submit unit tests for it | 15:52 |
| bswartz | I'm hoping I'll be available | 15:52 |
| bswartz | nileshb: awesome! | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | nileshb: I saw it but haven't reviewed it yet | 15:53 |
| xyang1 | We submitted VNX driver too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115188/ | 15:53 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I saw a few submissions | 15:53 |
| nileshb | we believe the ganesha utils can be enhanced further and can become part of core manila project .. currently those reside under ibm/ dir | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | jenkins seems unhappy with both | 15:54 |
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| xyang1 | xyang1: This is the base driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115037/, VNX driver is the plugin to the base | 15:54 |
| nileshb | there seems to be some jenkins issue .. not specific to driver code | 15:54 |
| bswartz | are the failures easy to fix? | 15:54 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I couldn't repro the jenkins errors on my setup | 15:54 |
| bswartz | okay we may need to investigate | 15:54 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: ше шы шыыгу Ш ьутешщтув нуыеуквфн | 15:55 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is issue I mentioned yesterday | 15:55 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: english? | 15:55 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: ? | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | sorry =) | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I wasn't following the discussion closely enough yesterday | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | what issue? | 15:56 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: you have an idea why we hit those errors? | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: dead dependency, it is fixed already | 15:56 |
| bswartz | oh that one | 15:56 |
| bswartz | is the fix merged? | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1:just need rerun jobs | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | recheck no bug? | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | "recheck" | 15:56 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov: do we need rebase? | 15:56 |
| xyang1 | ok, will try that | 15:57 |
| bswartz | k excellent | 15:57 |
| nileshb | ok thanks | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | so 1 last thing | 15:57 |
| bswartz | J-3 is coming soon | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | I'd like to get these drivers reviewed and merged if possible | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | so Juno can claim multivendor support in addition to the open source drivers | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | let's prioritize reviews until the J-3 cut date | 15:59 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, and support for new access type too (hpefully) ;-) | 15:59 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: do you remember date itself? | 15:59 |
| nileshb | 4th Sept? | 15:59 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: 9/4? | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: it needs to be complete and mergable soon | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | so we can do the reviews and get it done | 15:59 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, given that most of the trust setup is out of band, there isnt much to do in manila.. | 16:00 |
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| mihgen | hi folks | 16:00 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, I would love to hear from you and others so that i can follow up and help get it merged soon | 16:00 |
| bswartz | if it's not merged by 9/3 then it will need an exception | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | because 9/4 will be the branch date | 16:00 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, yeah. | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | okay we're past time | 16:01 |
| bswartz | thank all | 16:01 |
| mihgen | any fuelers around? | 16:01 |
| deepakcs | bye | 16:01 |
| bswartz | thanks* | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 16:01 |
| cknight | bye | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 16:01:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-21-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-21-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-08-21-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| christopheraedo | Hello! | 16:01 |
| evgeniyl | Hi | 16:01 |
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| mihgen | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 16:01:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihgen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| tatyana | hi | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| akislitsky | hi | 16:01 |
| meow-nofer | hi | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
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| mihgen | hey | 16:02 |
| mihgen | today vkozhukalov is on vacation so I have to run all these commands ) | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | who else is here? | 16:02 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:02 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:02 |
| rmoe | hi | 16:02 |
| sambork | hhi | 16:02 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:02 |
| christopheraedo | hi | 16:02 |
| * dilyin here | 16:02 | |
| msemenov | hi | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | good | 16:02 |
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| asyriy | hi | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | let's go over agenda | 16:03 |
| mihgen | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:03 |
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| agordeev | hi | 16:03 |
| mihgen | #topic 5.1 release status (Fuel, mos-openstack, mos-linux) | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "5.1 release status (Fuel, mos-openstack, mos-linux) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:03 | |
| mihgen | so folks we still have bugs, yes, and still can't meet HCF criteria | 16:03 |
| mihgen | for Fuel we have Galera issues, and many patching issues, as well as a few more other things | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | I think I would pass a voice to folks to talk about Fuel issues first, and then we switch to mos-openstack/mos-linux | 16:05 |
| mihgen | #topic Galera issues | 16:05 |
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| mihgen | holser: please provide us with latest status on this | 16:05 |
| mihgen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1354479 | 16:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1354479 in fuel "Galera is not syncing on the slaves sometimes" [Critical,In progress] | 16:05 |
| mihgen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1355162 | 16:06 |
| holser | mihgen: Finally I found the issue with Galera | 16:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1355162 in fuel "[library] MySQL Galera is not operable after controllers hard reset" [High,Confirmed] | 16:06 |
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| holser | They were caused by high memory consumption caused high swap/in/swap out | 16:06 |
| mihgen | is it the only reason? | 16:06 |
| holser | I made a review to switch from mysqldump to xtrabackup and slightly decreased RAM | 16:07 |
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| holser | and that helped | 16:07 |
| holser | so now I am making BVT tests with my patch | 16:07 |
| mihgen | holser: do we need to increase ram size for BVT/Fuel CI jobs? | 16:07 |
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| holser | only that, but xtrabackup helps as it’s much faster so it’s enough not to timout deployment | 16:08 |
| holser | mihgen: we do | 16:08 |
| mihgen | teran_: did you agreed on that? ^^ | 16:08 |
| holser | as I showed that comlex deployments with neutron+gre cconsumes up to 3GB RAM | 16:08 |
| holser | ps ax -O rss | awk '{ sum += $2 } END {print "Total memory usage =", sum/1024, "MB"}' | 16:09 |
| holser | Total memory usage = 2691.69 MB | 16:09 |
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| nurla | mihgen: we've already increase ram size for tests to 2.5gb | 16:09 |
| holser | That’s after deployment, as during deployment it was 3Gb | 16:09 |
| angdraug | xarses also mentioned before that we need 2 vCPUs on test VMs | 16:09 |
| angdraug | with one vCPU, there's too much context switching | 16:10 |
| holser | 2 vCPU should help also | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | nurla: so should we get 3gb instead and 2 vcpu? | 16:10 |
| mihgen | at least for now before we improve consumption if possibl | 16:10 |
| teran_ | mihgen: I'd prefer we start to use xtrabackup, I had expirience with that tool it's faster the mysqldump | 16:11 |
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| angdraug | one more thing from xarses (he's having trouble getting online): we should enable KSM on jenkins slaves | 16:11 |
| mihgen | teran_: we will but as I understood we still need 3gb | 16:11 |
| holser | teran_: +1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109606/ | 16:11 |
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| nurla | this requirements will be affect vbox users | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | also there was suggestion xdeller in mailing list about in-memory compression | 16:12 |
| mihgen | might be we need to consider that as well | 16:12 |
| angdraug | mihgen: yup, that's what KSM is for, RAM deduplication | 16:12 |
| mihgen | holser: it's actually great that you nailed that down | 16:12 |
| tzn | SKM can be very CPU heavy | 16:13 |
| tzn | s/SKM/KSM/ | 16:13 |
| mihgen | teran_: in your todo list to take a look on this? | 16:13 |
| tzn | it might inpact performance | 16:13 |
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| angdraug | we have it enabled on the dev server in MTV, it's not too bad wrt CPU | 16:13 |
| holser | I’d use huge pages instead for our libvirt virtual instances | 16:13 |
| mihgen | may be devops team can try it and see how it works | 16:14 |
| teran_ | mihgen: about 3g - currently it's possible but it could make us close eyes on sime performance issues | 16:14 |
| tzn | +1 hugepages | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | holser: what's the decision, 3gb or 2.5 is ok? | 16:14 |
| tzn | althoug we could have better gain with KSM, worth checking | 16:14 |
| holser | 2.5 should be ok | 16:14 |
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| holser | let’s leave 2.5GB for now | 16:14 |
| nurla | +1 | 16:15 |
| mihgen | ok. cool | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | let's move on | 16:15 |
| mihgen | #topic Patching status | 16:15 |
| holser | but question with 2 vCPU is still open | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patching status (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:15 | |
| mihgen | teran_: pls consider 2 vcpu | 16:15 |
| teran_ | mihgen: I saw offer obout RAM compression - that should help, so yeah it's in my todo :) | 16:15 |
| mihgen | kk :) | 16:15 |
| mihgen | patching shows new areas of issues | 16:16 |
| teran_ | mihgen: ok | 16:16 |
| mihgen | deductively we've discovered that python deps of openstack are not gonna be updated during pathing | 16:17 |
| mihgen | so basically oslo.messaging is not updated on node | 16:17 |
| mihgen | just because puppet doesn't know that it should update this package | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | and it's not updated by deps tree | 16:17 |
| mihgen | dilyin: what's our action plan on this? | 16:17 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: any more news on other issues related to patching? | 16:18 |
| dilyin | we have decided to add missing package installation to Fuel together with service notification | 16:18 |
| angdraug | that's what we get for using puppet instead of apt/yum to manage dependencies | 16:18 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: yep. here's the status | 16:18 |
| dilyin | bogdando have made a good patch to integrate oslo.messaging class to controlelr and compute | 16:19 |
| mihgen | dilyin: provide a link pls | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | The ceilometer issue: | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1354494 | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | the fix is merged, but afaik QA still have some troubles with ceilometer. Need to investigate. | 16:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1354494 in fuel/5.1.x "Puppet fails during updating ceilometer node" [Critical,Fix committed] | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | The murano dashboard issue: | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1355180 | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | The patch is already done, but we don't test it yet. | 16:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1355180 in fuel/6.0.x "rollback will fail - migration rollback is impossible - need to backup databases" [High,Confirmed] | 16:19 |
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| ikalnitsky | We finally resolve the issue with Ubuntu HA. | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1356873 | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | the fix isn't merged yet, but I made some tests and it works. | 16:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1356873 in fuel "[Update] Patching on Ubuntu nova ha failed with Unmet dependencies" [Critical,In progress] | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | As for this | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1355180 | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | it was confirmed from the mos side that there're no migrations between 5.0 and 5.0.2. So we can target it for 6.0 and won't fix in 5.1. | 16:19 |
| dilyin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116011/ | 16:19 |
| ikalnitsky | that's all :) | 16:19 |
| mihgen | ok, thanks | 16:20 |
| mihgen | I'm wondering on the current testing coverage, how deep did we go, what else to expect | 16:20 |
| mihgen | nurla: tatyana ^^ | 16:20 |
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| dilyin | angdraug, actually we use both puppet and apt/yum and collect troubles from both sides) | 16:21 |
| tatyana | nurla: not so deep aswe want - we need to improve our test | 16:21 |
| tatyana | to verify if all deps are updated | 16:21 |
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| nurla | also we should covered vcenter and cli | 16:21 |
| tatyana | and meausre downtimes | 16:22 |
| mihgen | ok, what about other stuff, like nova-network, murano/sahara | 16:22 |
| tatyana | covered | 16:22 |
| mihgen | tatyana: oh yes, we need to know what happens under real load by rally and patching at the same time | 16:22 |
| mihgen | tatyana: good | 16:22 |
| tatyana | we need to run destructive tess as well on patched ha | 16:22 |
| tatyana | test | 16:23 |
| nurla | today we extend our swarm for run patching against all tests | 16:23 |
| mihgen | ok if we turn off primary controller and run patching ) | 16:23 |
| nurla | mihgen: O_0 | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: don't do it, i'm scared | 16:24 |
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| nurla | and after shutdown cluster too) | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | ohh. too many cases | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | all right, anything else on patching? | 16:24 |
| mihgen | dpyzhov: what about size of tar balls? | 16:24 |
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| mihgen | sorry it was not me, but my IRC client ) | 16:25 |
| dpyzhov | Well, we can win 2Gb with lrzip | 16:25 |
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| dpyzhov | but it takes 15 minutes to unpack | 16:25 |
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| xarses | so, a wash | 16:26 |
| ikalnitsky | dpyzhov: what about using lrzip only on final tarball ? | 16:26 |
| christopheraedo | I would say better to make it smaller at the expense of time (consider you'll also save time downloading the upgrade package) | 16:26 |
| dpyzhov | I’m playing with fdupes in order to add hardlinks into tarball | 16:26 |
| dilyin | it's possible to provide only incremental repo updates. it will make update tarballs many times smaller. but we have no facilities to generate such diff files yet | 16:26 |
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| dpyzhov | incremental updates are out of scope for 5.1 | 16:26 |
| dpyzhov | It’s too dangerous | 16:26 |
| dpyzhov | We will get new bugs | 16:27 |
| dilyin | yes fdupes can hardlink same file very well. it will free a lot of space on master node but will not help with update tarball size | 16:27 |
| mihgen | yep let's be realistic for 5.1 | 16:27 |
| dpyzhov | dilyin: we have duplicates in tarball | 16:27 |
| mihgen | if we can do hardlinks way in 5.1, that would be awesome | 16:27 |
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| dpyzhov | because we have two centos repos and two ubuntu repos | 16:27 |
| mihgen | ok so dpyzhov - you are trying to get hardlinks working for us? | 16:28 |
| dpyzhov | But looks like lrzip still better than fdupes | 16:28 |
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| dpyzhov | mihgen: yes | 16:28 |
| dilyin | they are better together | 16:28 |
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| dpyzhov | dilyin: looks like not | 16:28 |
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| mihgen | ok let's move on folks | 16:28 |
| mihgen | #topic remove public IPs from slave nodes | 16:29 |
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| akasatkin | Latest ISO is http://jenkins-product.srt.mirantis.net:8080/view/custom_iso/job/custom_master_iso/65/ | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Option "Assign public network to all nodes" is on the Settings tab in UI and it is disabled by default. I.e. only "controller" and "zabbiz-server" nodes will have Public network by default. | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Both HA and non-HA deployments are under testing. | 16:29 |
| mihgen | there were a lot of complaints about having public IPs assigned to all nodes, even when not needed | 16:29 |
| akasatkin | Current problems are: nodes' default gateways point to the master node's IP (Sergey V. to figure out what to do with that), issues with ubuntu/neutron-vlan/ceph deployments (https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1359834 - not yet reproduced on the last ISO) | 16:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359834 in fuel "[custom iso] Ceph volumes don't work on ubuntu/neutron-vlan" [High,Incomplete] | 16:29 |
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| mihgen | xenolog: did you figure out what to do with default gateway? | 16:30 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: cinder is fixed? it was using public net (wrongly) | 16:30 |
| akasatkin | yes, fixed | 16:30 |
| mihgen | ok good | 16:31 |
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| angdraug | is this feature a risk for 5.1 schedule? | 16:31 |
| akasatkin | ceph also works on last ISO. we just started with this configuration on 65 | 16:31 |
| mihgen | angdraug: should be actually done | 16:31 |
| akasatkin | but didn't check other cfg's on last ISO yet | 16:32 |
| angdraug | for Ceph we still need to merge https://review.openstack.org/115728 | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | otherwise it will raise HEALTH_WARN on every deployment | 16:32 |
| xenolog | I can propose two way: | 16:32 |
| xenolog | 1. simple — set default gateway to the master node or to another node, that customer can define | 16:32 |
| xenolog | 2. more_powerful — make virtual router, based on controller's and managed by pacemaker. | 16:32 |
| xenolog | 1-st way required lot of changes in nailgun/fuelweb | 16:33 |
| mihgen | why a lot of changes? should not be so | 16:34 |
| mihgen | in 1st | 16:34 |
| xenolog | 2-nd way —required only puppet-part changes | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | 1st way should be a way simpler. but we need public IPs gateway for nova-network still | 16:35 |
| mihgen | ok let's take it out of the meeting | 16:35 |
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| mihgen | and discuss in #fuel-dev or ML if needed | 16:35 |
| mihgen | I hope it can be quickly done, otherwise we will have to go back with all of this | 16:35 |
| xarses | xenolog: working with multiple-cluster networks, i found that l23network will set what ever its passed, we just need to fix nailgun to pass the network you want for default | 16:36 |
| mihgen | ok I think we should move on | 16:36 |
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| xarses | we also need to get a gateway router from the user on the other network | 16:36 |
| xenolog | mihgen: | 16:36 |
| xenolog | 1. field for IP address definition in fuel-web | 16:36 |
| xenolog | 2. network checker, that monitor, that defined router — is a router | 16:36 |
| xenolog | 3. new variables in astute.yaml | 16:36 |
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| mihgen | xenolog: ohh | 16:37 |
| mihgen | ok | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | let's move on | 16:37 |
| mihgen | #topic mos-openstack bugs | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | dmitryme: around to provide status? | 16:37 |
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| xenolog | 2-nd way looks like more relaible | 16:37 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: yep, I am here | 16:37 |
| mihgen | xenolog: yeah but seems complicated | 16:38 |
| xenolog | because don't required from curtomer infrastructure | 16:38 |
| dmitryme | basically we have two critical bugs left: fixing keystone and memcache interaction | 16:38 |
| dmitryme | and fixing oslo.messaging <-> rabbitmq interaction | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | any progress/estimates on both? | 16:38 |
| dmitryme | for the first bug it is in the process of debugging | 16:39 |
| dmitryme | I hope 1-2 days | 16:39 |
| xenolog | mihgen: more complicated in implementing, but simpleest in using. | 16:39 |
| dilyin | I guest the first way is better. Just set route to the IP provided by user. If master node goes down it's not a big problem. Internet connection from computes is not strictly required | 16:39 |
| dmitryme | as for the second one, I’ve already merged the old fix we used in 5.0.1 and right now are testing more proper fix | 16:39 |
| mihgen | dilyin: +1 | 16:39 |
| mihgen | xenolog: dilyin but looks like we need to talk about it over email :) | 16:39 |
| dmitryme | s/I’ve/we’ve/ | 16:40 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: ok thanks | 16:40 |
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| dmitryme | it wasn’t me :-) | 16:40 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: I hope it's gonna be soon too.. | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | anything else? | 16:40 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: I will discuss it, probably the old fix is good enough for 5.1 | 16:40 |
| xenolog | dilyin: | 16:40 |
| xenolog | > If master node goes down it's not a big problem | 16:40 |
| xenolog | master node CAN go down — it's i bigest problem!!! | 16:40 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: nope, nothing else | 16:41 |
| xenolog | because we have min.3 controller and only one master node. | 16:41 |
| dilyin | xenolog, why? what importnat services are left there? | 16:41 |
| mihgen | xenolog: we have no deps on master node, only NTP and partly DNS | 16:41 |
| angdraug | topic is mos-openstack? | 16:41 |
| mihgen | and that's what we must fix, hopefully in 6.0 | 16:41 |
| mihgen | should be easy | 16:41 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: thanks | 16:42 |
| mihgen | moving on | 16:42 |
| dmitryme | o, I think I should have mentioned issue which should be fixed by sqlalchemy upgrade, it has ‘high’ status, the fix is under review right now | 16:42 |
| angdraug | link? | 16:42 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: ok | 16:42 |
| xenolog | if something can иу икщлут - it is when something breaks. | 16:42 |
| mihgen | #topic mos-linux bugs | 16:42 |
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| xenolog | s/иу икщлут/be broken/g | 16:42 |
| nurla | sed | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | msemenov: around? | 16:43 |
| mihgen | any status on rabbitmq upgrade, iptables.. ? | 16:43 |
| msemenov | mihgen: here | 16:44 |
| mihgen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1359096 | 16:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1359096 in fuel "Build iptables 1.4.11 for centos" [High,Confirmed] | 16:44 |
| angdraug | we also still need yet another ceph update: | 16:44 |
| angdraug | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1341009 | 16:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1341009 in fuel/5.0.x "[osci] obsolete ceph package in fuel-repository for 5.0.1 and 5.1" [Critical,Fix released] | 16:44 |
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| xenolog | DNS — this is not enough. | 16:44 |
| msemenov | request https://gerrit.mirantis.com/#/c/21088 | 16:44 |
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| msemenov | we have +1 from Evgeny Li | 16:44 |
| msemenov | so it seems we can merge | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: is it that critical with ceph? | 16:45 |
| xarses | was the python issue resolved? | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | I'm afraid a bit of any pkgs upgrades if possible | 16:46 |
| mihgen | xarses: what python issue? | 16:46 |
| angdraug | mihgen: it's not critical but it's high priority | 16:46 |
| msemenov | may be this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mos/+bug/1342068 | 16:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1342068 in mos "syslog logging to /dev/log race condition" [Critical,Fix committed] | 16:46 |
| mihgen | angdraug: even high.. | 16:46 |
| angdraug | there's upstart and radosgw related fixes in that version | 16:46 |
| xarses | msemenov: correct | 16:46 |
| msemenov | xarses: not reproduced with the fix. So moved to fix committed | 16:47 |
| angdraug | if we're close to HCF I guess we can stay with ceph 0.80.4, but upstream highly recommends an upgrade | 16:47 |
| xarses | msemenov: ok, it should be in today's ISO? | 16:47 |
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| msemenov | xarses: sure | 16:47 |
| angdraug | nurla: do we have confirmation that python /dev/log problem is solved now? | 16:47 |
| xarses | msemenov: ok, I will retest my case that caused it to occur all the time | 16:48 |
| angdraug | xarses: yes, patched python packages have hit the 5.1 mirrors yesterday | 16:48 |
| nurla | angdraug: no, we havn't | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: I would skip it if possible, too many things, and we have 3 QA going on vacation next week | 16:48 |
| nurla | because nova and neutron issues blocked us | 16:49 |
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| angdraug | mihgen: ok :( | 16:49 |
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| msemenov | as from the conversation with D.Borodaenko, there should be 100% cpu load for services writing to .dev.log | 16:49 |
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| msemenov | after restarting rsyslog many times(even during deployment) | 16:49 |
| xarses | if you restart syslog while they are writing | 16:49 |
| msemenov | and we dont see it | 16:50 |
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| angdraug | we don't have an ISO from today that would have passed centos bvt, why? | 16:50 |
| xarses | We will retest today and mark it fix released if i can't see it anymore | 16:50 |
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| msemenov | xarses: and if the bug is still here, please provide deatiled repro steps in the issue | 16:51 |
| xarses | yes | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | nurla: any comment on centos bvt? | 16:52 |
| mihgen | nurla: we need bug about it. every build hangs | 16:52 |
| nurla | ok | 16:52 |
| mihgen | ok anything else to bring with mos-linux? | 16:53 |
| nurla | at first look, issue with galera | 16:53 |
| msemenov | link? | 16:53 |
| mihgen | #topic 6.0 plans and beyond | 16:54 |
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| mihgen | so we've discussed it a bit previously, just repeating that the main goal is to get Juno working | 16:54 |
| mihgen | the thing that we still don't test openstack master with current puppet manifests puts us under risk releasing before design summit | 16:55 |
| mihgen | so we should start doing that ASAP and collaborate across teasm | 16:55 |
| mihgen | we can run a few things in parallel | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | for now though anyone who can help with reaching HCF should do that. | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | that's it from my side. any questions/suggestions? | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | actually forgot about 5.0.2 | 16:56 |
| mihgen | #topic 5.0.2 milestone | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | #link https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/5.0.2 | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | there are a number of bugs over there. We must keep watching them too | 16:57 |
| mihgen | should be like 95% of back ports to stable branch | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | #topic other questions | 16:58 |
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| christopheraedo | Last week I missed a chance to answer question about an open blueprint status. | 16:59 |
| mihgen | looks like no questions except some we ran in parallel in the office) | 16:59 |
| christopheraedo | Added in progress and todo work items to the blueprint (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/fuel-web-docs-dev-env-restructure) | 16:59 |
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| christopheraedo | Will change Fuel pages on OpenStack wiki today/tomorrow. First just re-ordering and improving the organization. Then I'll go through and add/update content over the next few days. | 16:59 |
| mihgen | christopheraedo: oh yeah | 16:59 |
| mihgen | christopheraedo: very good | 17:00 |
| angdraug | time | 17:00 |
| mihgen | thanks | 17:00 |
| mihgen | ok guys thanks | 17:00 |
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| mihgen | see you next meeting | 17:00 |
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| tatyana | bb | 17:00 |
| mihgen | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 17:00:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-21-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-21-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-08-21-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| apodrepniy_ | bb | 17:01 |
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| asyriy | bye | 17:01 |
| nkinder | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 17:01:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nkinder. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack security group)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:02 |
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| malini | Greetings everyone! | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | hey! | 17:02 |
| nkinder | #topic rollcall | 17:02 |
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| sweston | Greetings | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | hi all | 17:02 |
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| nkinder | Hey OSSG folks | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | hey nkinder | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | how it goes? | 17:02 |
| nkinder | not bad | 17:02 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei_ is unable to make it today | 17:03 |
| nkinder | he passes on his apologies | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | busy busy man | 17:03 |
| shelleearnold007 | Good morning | 17:03 |
| bdpayne | o/ peeps | 17:03 |
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| nkinder | we have a number of topics to cover today | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | I've got 3 | 17:04 |
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| nkinder | what topics did others have? | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | ops for the channel, stevedore follow up, qualys follow up | 17:04 |
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| nkinder | ok, I have stevedore on my list too | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | oh good | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | you take that, I missed last week | 17:05 |
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| nkinder | also security guide status, ossns, bandit, the security track for the summit | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:05 |
| nkinder | so let's dive in | 17:05 |
| rlpple | Hi guys | 17:05 |
| rlpple | Randy Perryman here | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | hi rlpple | 17:06 |
| nkinder | hey rlpple | 17:06 |
| nkinder | #topic summit talks | 17:06 |
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| nkinder | Thanks to everyone who submitted talks for the security track! | 17:06 |
| nkinder | The initial voting has been completed, and I expect that results will be sent out in the near future | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | any idea how near future? | 17:06 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: not sure exactly | 17:07 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: I'll try to find out | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:07 |
| nkinder | The propsals covered a broad range of topics | 17:07 |
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| nkinder | There was some "how do I secure things" talks, some threat assesment work, some intrusion detection topics as well | 17:08 |
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| nkinder | Mixed in were a number of forward looking topics, covering things like barbican, congress, and utilizing projects that are outside of OpenStack right now | 17:09 |
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| nkinder | overall, I think there were around 45 proposals, so I think we'll have a nice track! | 17:10 |
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| nkinder | #topic stevedore | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | awesome! | 17:10 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: take it away | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | oh, I don't have anything new | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | meant to synch up with you from last week | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | will start poking through code this week | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | who were the others? | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | mxin? | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | I don't see him | 17:11 |
| nkinder | I'd recommend checking last weeks IRC logs. Basically, nobody has really looked into stevedore it seems. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | ok, if it's just me, that's fine | 17:11 |
| malini | i was supposed to dive in too but nothing attempted yet | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | I'll have status update next week | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:11 |
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| nkinder | I think there is interest, but nobody has jumped in yet | 17:12 |
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| nkinder | Basically, there is some level of trust in loading a plugin via stevedore | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | I read through the docs and plan to finish code review before next meeting | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | ok, that's fine | 17:12 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: ok, sounds good. Anything else on stevedore? | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | we'll revisit next week | 17:12 |
| nkinder | #topic ossn | 17:13 |
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| nkinder | We have a few OSSNs out for review right now. | 17:13 |
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| nkinder | OSSN-0020 and OSSN-0023 need reviewers | 17:14 |
| nkinder | I think they are both close | 17:14 |
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| nkinder | I don't see shohel around, but he had proposed a OSSN-0024 agains the old repo | 17:14 |
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| nkinder | #link https://review.openstack.org/113422 | 17:14 |
| nkinder | That's OSSN-0020 that priti was working on | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | looks like we have one here too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1354512 | 17:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1354512 in ossn "Anonymous user can download public image through Swift" [Undecided,New] | 17:15 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: yep, that was just opened up today | 17:15 |
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| nkinder | Stan has this one out for review... | 17:15 |
| nkinder | #link https://review.openstack.org/114971 | 17:15 |
| nkinder | And shohel has this one... | 17:16 |
| nkinder | #link https://review.openstack.org/114460 | 17:16 |
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| nkinder | So if anyone has some time to review any of those, it would be appreciated! | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | cool, will do | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | will have a look | 17:17 |
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| malini | will do | 17:17 |
| nkinder | #topic security-guide | 17:17 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: how are things progressing on the security guide bugs? | 17:17 |
| bdpayne | quite well actually | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | we are maintaining a pretty good steady state velocity | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | with several active contributors | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | so thanks to all involved | 17:18 |
| nkinder | great! | 17:18 |
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| bdpayne | I still owe the group some forward direction on the book | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | which I am working on :-) | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | (I promise!) | 17:18 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: You mean in terms of a v2 "roadmap"? | 17:19 |
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| bdpayne | yes | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | I would like to plot the course for that | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | and also determine how we manage the book with respect to openstack releases and such | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | btw, we are down to 42 bugs against the book atm | 17:20 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: that will probably be a good topic to talk about at the Summit too (if we don't figure it all out by then) | 17:20 |
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| bdpayne | agreed | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | hopefully I'm moving forward at least a bit by then | 17:20 |
| nkinder | :) | 17:20 |
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| bdpayne | but the summit is a great place for that | 17:20 |
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| bdpayne | if others would like to help, you can pluck off a bug from https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | plenty of work to be done | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | and sometimes writing is a nice change from coding :-) | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | ok, that's all that I have on the book today | 17:21 |
| nkinder | ok, thanks | 17:21 |
| bdpayne | unless others have comments / questions / stuff to add | 17:21 |
| nkinder | not from me. Sounds like good progress on the bugs | 17:22 |
| bdpayne | indeed | 17:22 |
| nkinder | #topic summit | 17:22 |
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| nkinder | speaking of the summit, who here is planning on attending? | 17:22 |
| malini | Malini -- unsure | 17:23 |
| nkinder | If we have an idea of who is going, we can start to think about OSSG items that we plan to accomplish there | 17:23 |
| nkinder | I'll be there | 17:23 |
| bdpayne | I will be there | 17:23 |
| sweston | I will be there as well | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | I'll do my best ;) | 17:23 |
| nkinder | I know that hyakuhei_ will be there | 17:23 |
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| tkelsey | in not sure | 17:23 |
| nkinder | shohel proposed a talk, so he must be planning to attend | 17:24 |
| nkinder | priti proposed a talk too, so she's in the same boat | 17:24 |
| nkinder | stan too | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | I'm pretty sure Priti will be there | 17:24 |
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| nkinder | ok, well given the above I think that it's safe to assume we can get some coverage of doc and threat modeling efforts at a minimum | 17:25 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: I think trying to get some discussion on the gate tests there could be valuable | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | definitely, I hope that summit/dev talks make it, but if not, I'll be running around trying to get attention | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | I mean attention for the gate tests :P | 17:27 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: It might be worthy of a design session if we have things far enough along at that point. | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, that's what I mean, design session, not dev | 17:27 |
| bdpayne | yeah, shooting for a design sessions there makes a lot of sense, IMHO | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I'm going to try to get bandit built out with some more tests | 17:28 |
| nkinder | Any other summit related topics from anyone before we talk about bandit some more? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | find some more bugs, and then we can really make a compelling case to why gate tests are useful | 17:28 |
| nkinder | ok then... | 17:28 |
| nkinder | #topic bandit | 17:29 |
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| chair6 | hi! | 17:29 |
| nkinder | chair6: hey | 17:29 |
| chair6 | i emailed a summary of status to the mailing list last week | 17:29 |
| chair6 | haven't seen any response, but it's out there and ready for people to write more tests against | 17:29 |
| nkinder | Yeah, thanks for sending that out. I didn't see any replies... :( | 17:29 |
| chair6 | i plan on doing some when i have time, but would be good if others could contribute | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | chair6: I'm going to do some work on that end | 17:30 |
| bknudson | what's the subject of the note? | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | chair6: I've found a couple other subprocess calls we want to check | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | OpenStack has a wrapper on subprocess that most components are probably using, so we should check that call too for starters | 17:30 |
| nkinder | I'm planning to look at how we could make it run as a part of the CI (non-voting) | 17:31 |
| chair6 | tmcpeak .. i saw your comment on that, and did some digging | 17:31 |
| nkinder | finding the time to actually do that is a different matter though... | 17:31 |
| chair6 | there were a few different examples of what you're describingg | 17:31 |
| chair6 | so i wrote a test that identifies any function call, regardless of name, that includes a shell=True argument | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | flooded in fun? | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | I switched email unfortunately around the exact time you sent it out so I didn't get that ML, can you forward it to me, btw? | 17:32 |
| chair6 | will do | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | the other thing we might want to look for is eval | 17:32 |
| chair6 | that's about it though .. i plan to keep working on improving the framework, and building out more tests | 17:33 |
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| chair6 | i'll leave the CI-integration piece to you, nkinder | 17:33 |
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| nkinder | chair6: ok, sounds good | 17:34 |
| bknudson | is bandit going to live in github or get pulled into openstack repo? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: good question | 17:35 |
| chair6 | i'd like to get it into an openstack repo | 17:35 |
| bknudson | I think it would be nice to have gerrit for reviews | 17:35 |
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| chair6 | agreed | 17:35 |
| malini | inside oslo would be nice | 17:35 |
| nkinder | any other bandit talk? | 17:35 |
| nkinder | and +1 on gerrit for bandit tests | 17:36 |
| bknudson | can you point me to the check that bandit is doing now? | 17:36 |
| bknudson | in github | 17:36 |
| chair6 | https://github.com/chair6/bandit/tree/master/plugins is where they're defined | 17:36 |
| bknudson | chair6: thanks! | 17:36 |
| bknudson | neat! | 17:37 |
| chair6 | want to refactor this at some point, but that's it at the moment :) | 17:37 |
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| nkinder | #topic open discussion | 17:38 |
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| nkinder | any other topics from anyone? | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | ops in channel | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I think it would be useful to get a few: maybe nkinder, bdpayne, hyakuhei_ | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | just to keep an eye out for gabriela kind of BS | 17:38 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I agree that this would be useful | 17:39 |
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| nkinder | +1 | 17:39 |
| bdpayne | I was told that we need to work with one of the general ops types for freenode to get setup | 17:39 |
| nkinder | she was back today (with a different number at the end of her nick) | 17:39 |
| bdpayne | I just haven't had the time to chase that down yet | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | really? it should have banned by IP | 17:39 |
| bdpayne | botnets | 17:39 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: it was banned by name | 17:39 |
| bdpayne | lots of ips | 17:39 |
| bdpayne | but, yeah, I think it was banned by name | 17:40 |
| bknudson | I found the block button in pidgin | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | oh, yeah banned by name doesn't work | 17:40 |
| clarkb | bdpayne: we manage ops for the channels you shouldn't need to go to freenode for that | 17:40 |
| clarkb | bdpayne: i thought fungi pointed you at the change to make? | 17:40 |
| bdpayne | oh, perhaps I misunderstood what fungi was saying | 17:40 |
| bdpayne | it sounded like I needed to contact someone to request access | 17:40 |
| bknudson | messages to irc should all be signed. | 17:40 |
| kai | hi all, | 17:41 |
| clarkb | bdpayne: what is the channel name? | 17:41 |
| bdpayne | openstack-security | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | #openstack-security | 17:41 |
| kai | is there any status update about threat modeling project? | 17:41 |
| kai | wanna to join into this project in my free time | 17:42 |
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| nkinder | kai: There is a separate IRC meeting for that IIRC | 17:42 |
| nkinder | kai: but I'm sure your help would be much appreciated there! | 17:42 |
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| clarkb | yup its maanged so you need to edit https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/accessbot/channels.yaml to add additional ops | 17:43 |
| bdpayne | oh nice, I'll do that shortly | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | clarkb: perfect, thanks! | 17:43 |
| bdpayne | thanks clarkb | 17:43 |
| clarkb | under the channel name do operators: and a yaml list of ops | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | other thing I had was about qualys | 17:43 |
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| clarkb | note ops need to be registered with nickserv and identified | 17:43 |
| bdpayne | ok | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:44 |
| chair6 | i'm always idling here so happy to take on ops if you need volunteers | 17:44 |
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| bdpayne | chair6 ok thanks | 17:46 |
| nkinder | anything else from anyone? | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | qualys discussion | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | not really qualys, but I'll call it that for lack of a better one word description | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | "Gate testing XSS" | 17:48 |
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| shelleearnold007 | sounds interesting | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | this is in regards to gmurphy's original proposition on the ML to figure out root cause of new XSS bugs | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | one of the Nebula folks seems to have a pretty good grasp on why this was happening and provided a good explanation | 17:49 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: I'm not familiar with qualys | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | but what I was thinking is that we should integrate some integrated XSS automated tool into gate tests | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | qualys is a vulnerability scanner | 17:50 |
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| bdpayne | yeah, I spoke with Paul about this... he said that the right people could come together and hammer out a lasting solution in a day or two | 17:50 |
| nkinder | provided as a service or software? | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | my understanding is service | 17:51 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: yeah, that would be a good item to try to get people to hash out at the summit | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | bdpayne: right, so there is the long lasting solution | 17:51 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: it sounds like an architectural sort of change, so it would be best to take place early in the dev. cycle | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | bdpayne: but I think there is also room for a gate test here, just to make sure people we don't drift into the same situation again | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | it sounded like the problem is that new devs come on and just fire out code without understanding the correct way to do things | 17:52 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: yeah, but adding gate jobs after cleaning up the code would catch that | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | agreed on all accounts | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: yeah totally agree | 17:53 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: I think the issue is that the code has bad examples that new devs copy right now | 17:53 |
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| bknudson | the XSS bugs seem to be poor design decisions | 17:53 |
| bdpayne | fix in early in the cycle, have gate tests to avoid it from happening again | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | yep | 17:53 |
| bknudson | for example, the table code requires you to set an option to escape the input | 17:53 |
| bknudson | rather than escaping the input by default | 17:53 |
| nkinder | I don't know if gmurphy is planning on attending the summit (I'll check with him) | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: oh really? | 17:53 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: yes, see the latest XSS bug... | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | wow, nice | 17:54 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115310/1/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/admin/aggregates/tables.py | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | seems like an easy enough fix if you educate devs | 17:54 |
| bknudson | so you have to pass in autoescape=True to escape | 17:54 |
| clarkb | so fwiw anyone can propose a new job and run it experimentally against any project | 17:54 |
| clarkb | so you could just go do a thing and see how it works, if people like it then you can work on making it gating | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | clarkb: oh cool, I was wondering about that | 17:55 |
| bdpayne | would it be appropriate to have a security education session at the dev part of the summit? | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | you know where there is info on how to do that? | 17:55 |
| bdpayne | like, security coding best practices for openstack? | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne: +1 | 17:56 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: targeting XSS issues specifically? | 17:56 |
| sweston | bdpayne: +1 | 17:56 |
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| bdpayne | well, it could hit on some of that | 17:56 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: that seems like a good idea | 17:56 |
| bdpayne | but I was thinking more broad | 17:56 |
| bdpayne | this whole discussion just got me thinking | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | root wrapper use would probably be pretty useful | 17:56 |
| bdpayne | carry on ;-) | 17:56 |
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| elmiko | as an outside observer, i would definitely attend a security education session at summit | 17:56 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: +1 | 17:57 |
| bdpayne | cool, good to know | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | bdpayne, bdpayne, bdpayne | 17:57 |
| nkinder | ok, that's a good idea for the design sessions if we have a security track | 17:57 |
| bdpayne | could also go in a general track or something | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | that actually fits in line perfectly with OSSG mission | 17:57 |
| bdpayne | security track at the design sessions... seems unlikely | 17:57 |
| nkinder | yeah, a cross-project/general track | 17:58 |
| nkinder | whatever track our stuff was in last time | 17:58 |
| bdpayne | yeah, the cross-project thingy | 17:58 |
| nkinder | ok, we're getting short on time here | 17:58 |
| nkinder | anything else before we end the meeting? | 17:58 |
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| nkinder | ok, thanks all! | 17:59 |
| nkinder | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 17:59:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| bknudson | thanks | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-21-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-21-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-08-21-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
| sweston | thanks | 18:00 |
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| tkelsey | thanks nkinder, thanks all | 18:00 |
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| malini | thanks nkinder | 18:00 |
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| rlpple | Thanks | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sahara folks ping | 18:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:01 |
| dmitryme | o/ | 18:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:01 |
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| aignatov | o/ | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev will chair today's meeting | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 18:02:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| alazarev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
| tmckay | o/ | 18:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:02 |
| openstack | alazarev: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 18:02 |
| alazarev | ops | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair alazarev | 18:03 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov alazarev | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, please | 18:03 |
| alazarev | ok, let’s start | 18:03 |
| alazarev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda#Next_meetings | 18:04 |
| alazarev | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Ok | 18:05 |
| aignatov | alazarev: you are the chair! ;) something new :) | 18:05 |
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| dmitryme | NikitaKonovalov: nice status in horizon :-) | 18:05 |
| aignatov | lol | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | The change allowing the dashobard work with bootstrapt 3 is merge | 18:05 |
| tmckay | yeah, Ok sounds great | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | merged* | 18:05 |
| alazarev | aignatov: yes, and Sergey told about this 2 mins ago :) | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | finally | 18:06 |
| elmiko | alazarev: surprise! | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, aignatov, my inet connection is extremely bad today and I'm receiving messages by 1 min batches ;) | 18:06 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | there is still a bugfix for templates' copy on review | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, that's awesome, so, we'll not have any more several version dropdowns :) | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but that's very small and I hope it will land faster | 18:07 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: Yes, the dropdowns now appear in right places only | 18:07 |
| alazarev_ | hopefully other patches will land faster | 18:08 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so that's pretty much all from horizon | 18:08 |
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| tosky | alazarev: I have request related to horizon and sahara, should I talk about this at the end (open discussion)? | 18:08 |
| alazarev_ | tosky: sure | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair alazarev_ | 18:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov alazarev alazarev_ | 18:08 |
| alazarev_ | #topic News / updates | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | i've been working on getting a prototype of the swift/auth stuff running. it's going well, i'm currently testing the proxy user creation and trust delegation. next step will be authentication JobBinaries using proxy. | 18:09 |
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| alazarev | I’ve done series about plugin SPI -> edp engine | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'm working on some oslo.* upgrades and going to push new patch sets soon | 18:10 |
| tmckay | I poked around with Oozie security, small discussion during open topics on "code" or "doc fix instead" | 18:10 |
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| tmckay | and catching up on lots of reviews :) | 18:11 |
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| alazarev | someone else? | 18:13 |
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| alazarev | ok, let’s move on | 18:13 |
| alazarev | no action items from the previous meeting | 18:14 |
| alazarev | #topic https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:14 |
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| alazarev | #topic Juno release | 18:14 |
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| alazarev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:14 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: update from you? | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nope | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ops | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | one moment | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have some unassigned stuff | 18:16 |
| elmiko | i'm concerned about the schedule for getting all the swift/auth patches together. ideally, when should the patches be in for inclusion in Juno? | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/juno-3 | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need volunteer to verify and close https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/swift-url-proto-cleanup-deprecations | 18:16 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: I can do it | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, so, we have two weeks to land sahara side patches | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, ok, thx | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, assigned to you | 18:17 |
| alazarev | #action https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/swift-url-proto-cleanup-deprecations (alazarev) | 18:18 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, i think it will be close. i'm hopeful to get this all concluded, but i know the testing and integration with gate mayb be cumbersome. | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, do you have estimates on time needed to make this work done? | 18:18 |
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| elmiko | i'm hoping to have a full prototype by the end of next week. then we will need to coordinate about how to test the proxy domains in the gate. | 18:18 |
| dmitryme | elmiko: also consider putting your patch for early review | 18:19 |
| elmiko | hopefully, the patches will be up for review by the end of next week. | 18:19 |
| elmiko | dmitryme: thanks, i will | 18:19 |
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| alazarev | ok, let’s continue | 18:20 |
| alazarev | #topic Heat engine backward compatibility | 18:20 |
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| alazarev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1336525 broke backward compatibility for heat engine | 18:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1336525 in sahara "[DOC][HEAT] Document note about ec2-user" [High,Fix released] | 18:21 |
| alazarev | do we want to simply document this? | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | нup | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yup* | 18:22 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: it is woth noting that it is not the only change which broke backward compatibility, it is just the first one | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need to make progress on heat engine | 18:23 |
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| aignatov | SergeyLukjanov: | 18:23 |
| aignatov | what do you mean? | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and heat was a beta quality for Icehouse release, so, it's ok | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | aignatov, I mean that if we need to improve heat engine we could break backward compat for it with Icehouse | 18:24 |
| alazarev | ok, we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1357135 to document that | 18:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1357135 in sahara "Document changes from #1336525 in upgrade notes" [Undecided,New] | 18:24 |
| alazarev | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1357135 | 18:24 |
| tosky | it's not the default choice for installation in fact, if I remember the documentation | 18:24 |
| alazarev | #topic Anti-affinity semantics | 18:24 |
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| dmitryme | SergeyLukjanov: I think you meant ‘heat ENGINE is of beta quality” :-) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, sure ;) | 18:24 |
| alazarev | and related question abut anti affinity | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, here we have a much more interesting issue - we'd like to update a-a to work using server groups | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and I like this idea | 18:25 |
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| alazarev | server groups is an openstack way to do it | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it changes a bit the semantics of a-a | 18:25 |
| alazarev | but we started anti affinity before server groups were introduced | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, please, write the diff between how it'll working | 18:25 |
| alazarev | server groups now have restriction - each instance could be only in one server group | 18:26 |
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| alazarev | so, if nodegroup has several processes we can’t do anti affinity independently | 18:26 |
| alazarev | proposed solution - make one server group per cluster and assign it to all instances that has at least one affected process | 18:27 |
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| alazarev | I made this for heat engine only: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112159/ | 18:28 |
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| alazarev | because anti affinity was broken for heat engine at all | 18:29 |
| aignatov | not at all :) | 18:29 |
| alazarev | so, now we need to decide futher plans | 18:29 |
| alazarev | aignatov: would you recommend way how it works for production? ;) | 18:30 |
| alazarev | so, the first question: are we going to support direct engine for a log time? | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I think that we should migrate to server groups in both direct and heat engines | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for consistency | 18:31 |
| dmitryme | I would review at a different angle: we didn’t promised any specific algorithm for a-a in documentation. We just promised that it will work. By this change we do not break the promise, we just change the algorithm. So it is not a backward incompatible change | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it doesn't breaks backward compat | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we have no docs about how a-a works | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | dmitryme, + | 18:31 |
| alazarev | yeap | 18:31 |
| aignatov | I agree with all thoughts, but direct engine should be changed too IMO | 18:32 |
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| alazarev | but migration to server groups in direct will break backward compatibility | 18:32 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: why? | 18:32 |
| alazarev | dmitryme: all ‘old’ instances are not in the group | 18:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ++ for updating direct engine | 18:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, but it'll not break removal of old clusters | 18:33 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: aha, and you can’t assign an existing instance to a group, right? | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll add note to the upgrade docs | 18:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think it'll be ok | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, elmiko, any thoughts? | 18:33 |
| alazarev | dmitryme: Sahara need knowledge about ‘old’ way to do that | 18:33 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: I see | 18:34 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: removal is Ok, it will break scaling only | 18:34 |
| elmiko | i think best not to break backward compat, if possible | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, it could be easily checked by looking for server groups while scaling | 18:34 |
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| alazarev | if we are going to remove direct in L for example, I would vote on ‘do not change direct, make engines work differently’ | 18:35 |
| elmiko | is it possible to migrate "old" style instances to server groups? | 18:35 |
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| alazarev | elmiko: technically - yes, practically - I don’t know | 18:36 |
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| tmckay | I'm not too familiar with how server groups work, but based on reading, I think I agree with dmitryme -- no broken promises. | 18:36 |
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| tmckay | alazarev, good point -- if the engines work differently, that seems okay to me. Especially if direct is on its way out. | 18:37 |
| alazarev | tmckay: the only difference in behavior is that instances from different anti-affinity groups will be on different hosts now (or errored if there are no enough hosts) | 18:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, alazarev, I'd like to avoid situation when users will use a-a and it will magically work differently | 18:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, IMO it's better to upgrade both engines | 18:38 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: we don’t have engine switch policy, all clusters need to be recreated during switch | 18:39 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: so, very low probability that anyone cares | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, I'm talking about two installations | 18:39 |
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| alazarev | I thought a little bit more, I think it is possible to write ‘upgrade’ code that will add existing VMs to group | 18:41 |
| alazarev | in this case we can keep backward compatibility | 18:41 |
| alazarev | do we have plans to test backward compatibility? | 18:42 |
| elmiko | +1 to the 'upgrade' method | 18:42 |
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| alazarev | ok, will try to do ‘upgrade’ way | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | +1 for upgrading while scaling for example | 18:43 |
| alazarev | #topic Open discussion | 18:43 |
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| dmitryme | alazarev: but the old algorithm can assign two VMs to a single node, while they need to be added to a group by the new algorithm | 18:43 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: that makes a lot of sense | 18:43 |
| alazarev | dmitryme: this is nova problem, not Sahara :) | 18:43 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: I am just not sure it will works | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I have an idea of adding versions to the engines to make validation aware of new/old clusters in case of heat engine | 18:44 |
| dmitryme | s/works/work/ | 18:44 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'll propose the lp issue with description and implementation earlier next week | 18:44 |
| elmiko | +1 to versioned engines | 18:44 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov: +2 on versions | 18:44 |
| dmitryme | +1 for versions | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | i have a couple questions about when to produce errors for the swift/auth stuff | 18:45 |
| alazarev | #agreed Add Sahara version as cluster property | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed upgrade both direct and heat engines to use server groups (try to upgrade cluster while scaling, add notes to upgrade doc) | 18:45 |
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| tmckay | folks, quick opinions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115113/. In short, there is no way really to hide configs/args in Oozie (including swift stuff, old or new). So, there are 2 choices: secgroup for public networks, and iptables on the Oozie server host for finer control on public/private networks. I think documentation, leaving the solution up to admins, is the way to go. I had proposed optional itpables rules applica | 18:45 |
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| tmckay | So, doc only, or iptables option, rules set by Sahara with ssh? | 18:46 |
| elmiko | i like doc + iptables option | 18:46 |
| alazarev | may be we could add provisioning engine and stuff like that too? e.g. to disable scaling with other engine | 18:46 |
| tmckay | I think iptables option is not hard | 18:47 |
| alazarev | tmckay: I think users must do it manually via security groups, ability to specify secgroup is already merged | 18:47 |
| dmitryme | I like alazarev | 18:47 |
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| alazarev | tmckay: +1 on document that | 18:47 |
| dmitryme | I like alazarev’s point | 18:47 |
| alazarev | dmitryme: (hug) | 18:47 |
| dmitryme | alazarev: :-) | 18:48 |
| tmckay | alazarev, I was talking to elmiko yesterday, with lots of users in the same tenant, anyone who can launch an instance can get on the private network and get to Oozie, so you may want iptables. But, anyone in the same tenant can get to swift, too. | 18:48 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:48 |
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| tmckay | If Oozie would just screen jobs by user, it would be fine. But it doesn't. | 18:48 |
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| alazarev | tmckay: users in the same tenant are visible to each other by definition, don’t see problem here | 18:49 |
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| alazarev | tmckay: if they need privasy - they can separate tenants | 18:50 |
| tmckay | okay, fine with me. | 18:50 |
| alazarev | *privacy | 18:50 |
| dmitryme | tmckay: I agree with alazarev, user from the same tenant can simply snapshot/terminate instances of another user | 18:50 |
| tmckay | documentation on secgroup, note to leave out oozie port recommended | 18:50 |
| * tmckay still thinks Oozie security could be better | 18:51 | |
| alazarev | tmckay: I would say not only oozie, hadoop has plenty of sensitive stuff | 18:51 |
| elmiko | even with users in the same tenant, you wouldn't want them to get access to each other's creds. | 18:51 |
| tmckay | agreed | 18:51 |
| tmckay | elmiko, apparently, we don't care | 18:51 |
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| tmckay | same tenant is one big happy family | 18:52 |
| tmckay | you better trust all the people in your tenant | 18:52 |
| elmiko | Alice and Bob are working on a project in tenant_A, Bob also has access to tenant_B, if Alice gets Bob's creds, she can now access tenant_B | 18:52 |
| tmckay | :) | 18:52 |
| alazarev | ‘happy’ is questional… but one family for sure :) | 18:52 |
| dmitryme | elmiko: very good point | 18:52 |
| tmckay | elmiko, doh | 18:52 |
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| elmiko | i just like having a binary option for the admin to lock down the Oozie port with iptables. i think it's a simple option. | 18:53 |
| alazarev | will this be solved with trusts? we don’t store passwords anymore | 18:53 |
| tmckay | elmiko, more complicated, because Alice can also read hadoop logs | 18:53 |
| elmiko | alazarev: it will | 18:54 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I wonder if the job configs are in the hadoop logs, too | 18:54 |
| tmckay | in which case locking down the oozie server doesn't matter | 18:54 |
| alazarev | elmiko: what’s the problem in this case? | 18:54 |
| elmiko | tmckay: i think only what we pass through workflow.xml | 18:54 |
| elmiko | alazarev: if the user is only using the trust methodology, no problem. | 18:54 |
| elmiko | what should we do in a situation where sahara is configured to use proxy, but the user still inputs creds for a data source? | 18:55 |
| elmiko | drop the creds, use them, send a warning, ? | 18:55 |
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| tmckay | drop them, I think | 18:55 |
| dmitryme | elmiko: I would say “throw an exception”, to be explicit | 18:56 |
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| elmiko | dmitryme: reject the form, essentially | 18:56 |
| dmitryme | I mean, return an error, in terms of API | 18:56 |
| dmitryme | elmiko: yep | 18:56 |
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| dmitryme | I just hate implicit things | 18:56 |
| elmiko | ok, so if sahara is configured for proxy domains, then it will be a non-issue as no user creds will ever be used. | 18:57 |
| tmckay | elmiko, back up. is there any way to guard against the Bob and Alice scenario, if workflows can be seen? | 18:57 |
| elmiko | dmitryme: agreed. explicit > implicit | 18:57 |
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| tmckay | cause Alice can get a trust in another tenant, right? | 18:57 |
| elmiko | tmckay: it's still a problem if anyone can access a user's creds through the workflow | 18:57 |
| elmiko | tmckay: oh that, yea the trust is between Alice and the proxy user | 18:58 |
| alazarev | do we need creds in workflow? | 18:58 |
| elmiko | alazarev: unfortunately yes | 18:58 |
| elmiko | well, we need to get them to hadoop somehow. if we take oozie out of the mix, then we don't need the workflow. | 18:58 |
| elmiko | as i understand it | 18:58 |
| tmckay | elmiko, so you would still recommend an iptable option (or at least a doc note?) Part of it for me hinges on what is visible in hadoop logs | 18:59 |
| alazarev | elmiko: for swift? untill swift is patched? | 18:59 |
| dmitryme | it is my understanding that these will be the creds of proxy user, which will have access to the given tenant only by the means of trust | 18:59 |
| elmiko | dmitryme: yes | 18:59 |
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| elmiko | alazarev: currently, we pass the user's creds through workflow. when the swift/auth patch goes through, we will only be passing creds for the proxy user | 18:59 |
| tmckay | elmiko, okay, so you can't cross tenants in that case. The worst you can do is get auth in the current tenant, which you already have, right? | 19:00 |
| dmitryme | so, if somebody from the same tenant steals them, he will not be able to access any other tenant Bob has access too | 19:00 |
| dmitryme | s/too/to/ | 19:00 |
| elmiko | tmckay: yea | 19:00 |
| elmiko | dmitryme: yea | 19:00 |
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| tmckay | alright, so public oozie access is still the major issue | 19:00 |
| elmiko | the trust is scoped only to the user and project that the swift container is in | 19:00 |
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| tosky | if may I say one thing before closing... | 19:01 |
| elmiko | in the future we might be able to use something like Barbican and asymmetric keys from the instances to completely remove creds from the process | 19:01 |
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| tmckay | tosky, sure | 19:01 |
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| alazarev | elmiko: yeap, somewhere in M cycle :) | 19:02 |
| elmiko | alazarev: LOL | 19:02 |
| tosky | one of our intern was working on horizon selenium tests (starting from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/selenium-integration-testing) with the goal of horizon/sahara tests | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | do you mind wrapping up, thanks =P we have our poppy meeting starting now.... | 19:02 |
| alazarev | ops | 19:02 |
| tmckay | move to the other channel | 19:02 |
| dmitryme | tosky: lets go to #sahara | 19:02 |
| elmiko | amitgandhinz: sorry | 19:02 |
| alazarev | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 19:02:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-21-18.02.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-21-18.02.txt | 19:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-08-21-18.02.log.html | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 19:02:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:02 |
| alazarev | let’s continue on sahara channel | 19:03 |
| alazarev | amitgandhinz: sorry | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic roll call | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:03 | |
| amitgandhinz | who is here for Poppy? | 19:03 |
| obulpathi | o/ | 19:03 |
| * megan_w_ is here | 19:03 | |
| ametts | \o/ | 19:03 |
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| catherine_r | Here! | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | anyone from fastly or maxcdn? | 19:04 |
| megan_w_ | or akamia? | 19:05 |
| megan_w_ | looks like we might have a short meeting | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | potentially | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Review action items | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:06 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-08-14-19.00.html | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | catherine_r: update from you on this | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | (1) | 19:06 |
| catherine_r | I've reviewed some of doc via gerritt review for the issue mentioned in last week's meeting. | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113944/ | 19:07 |
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| catherine_r | But I haven't finished that or moved to wiki review. Will work to get more done before next meeting. | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | i think good progress is being made on this. I still need to get the last set of comments handled | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | lets aim to get these docs merged before the next meeting | 19:08 |
| catherine_r | ok | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed: catherine_r and amitgandhinz will work to get the docs merged by next meeting: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113944/ | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, item 2 - amitgandhinz to move meetings higher up on the page | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | done | 19:09 |
| megan_w_ | bam | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | (3) amitgandhinz to look into CDNManager in MaxCDN | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | this is not done. i will carry this over | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | #action: amitgandhinz to investigate MaxCDN CDN Manager API for master/sub accounts | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | (4) is the same as (3) =P | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on .... | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Updates on Blueprints and Bugs | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Updates on Blueprints and Bugs (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:10 | |
| amitgandhinz | i started added the blueprints to launchpad: | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | yay | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | can we get permissions to assign bluetprints and update them? | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | when creating a branch, be sure to name it bp/<name> | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: you cant do that right now? | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | hmmm..... | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | I am naming my branches that way | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | #action: amitgandhinz to investigate permissions so that others in the team can manage bleuprints | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | but when I tried to assign a blueprint to myself .. I could not | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ok i will investigate what needs to be done there | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks for the heads up | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | thanks :) | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | we should try to keep the bp up to date with the correct status | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | do we want to spend time now updating it or do that offline? | 19:14 |
| megan_w_ | let's do it now | 19:14 |
| megan_w_ | that way we can get a feel for where we're at | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:14 |
| megan_w_ | (unless anyone objects) | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | i think we have time today | 19:15 |
| megan_w_ | agreed | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | agreed | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/add-docstrings | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | ametts: can i assign this to you? | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | since you showed eagerness on this previously =P | 19:15 |
| ametts | Sure | 19:16 |
| megan_w_ | haha | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/cloudfront-driver | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | do you want to continue to drive this one obulpathi? | 19:17 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:17 |
| obulpathi | please assign to me | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | or should we leave it open so others can also experience CF | 19:17 |
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| obulpathi | I am open to both options | 19:17 |
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| amitgandhinz | im inclined to leave it open for knowledge sharing | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | this one also has a dependency tree associated to it | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/create-service | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | update service and multiple origins issues are open | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | no one has starting working on this yet right? | 19:19 |
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| obulpathi | no from me | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: create bugs for those | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | I mean to say I have not working on these | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | but those are known issues, so lets create a bug to track it | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | sure | 19:20 |
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| obulpathi | I will take that | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/docs-getting-started | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | this is in progress/review | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | my name goes on it | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | fastly and maxcdn driver stories are in the same boat as CF, so lets leave it open | 19:22 |
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| obulpathi | for documentation, can you add my name for getting started with Poppy on Linux/Ubuntu/Fedora? | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | amitgandhinz: ^ | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | sure, can you create another bp for that | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:23 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok flavors: flavors is making good progress, currently writing the tests for it | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/flavors | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/flavors | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | there is a version submitted without the tests that could do with some review love (before the tests land) | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115130/ | 19:24 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/health | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | this is obulpathi's right? | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | yes, its is | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | state? | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | ping is done, waiting for approval | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | i'll put good progress | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | health is partially done, waiting for ping to get through | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | did you address the comments for ping? | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | yes, addresses them and resubmitted the patch | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115408/ | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | s/addresses/addressed/ | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets get this reviewed | 19:26 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, i dont believe any of the other bp's are being worked on | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: you will need to create a bp for the model stuff you are working on | 19:27 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | CQL tests | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | I started looking into | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | can we add it to bps? | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | yes we should | 19:28 |
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| amitgandhinz | did you look into the pysandra stuff i posted yesterday | 19:28 |
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| obulpathi | yes. looking into pysandra and fakecassandra | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | no .. not yesterdays stuff | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | I only looking into jira cards details so far | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | #info: pysandra unit testing: http://javasplitter.blogspot.com/2013/01/embedded-cassandra-with-python-and-java.html | 19:28 |
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| amitgandhinz | im not sure the viability of it if it helps but may be useful for our tests | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | ok, thanks | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anything else regarding blueprints? | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | ... | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | ... | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | ... | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Permissions to assign and update blueprints | 19:30 |
| tonytan4ever | While we're waiting for Obu's response, there's the blue print I am working on: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/poppy-models | 19:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | thats easy ;-) | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | #action: amitgandhinz to investigate permissions for blueprints | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anything else on this topic? | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | i'll take that silence as a no | 19:31 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good wit it. | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Community Involvement | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok so we need to start ramping up the diversity of the team | 19:32 |
| megan_w_ | agreed | 19:32 |
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| obulpathi | +1 | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | first thing i need to do is email the openstack-dev ML with announcing Poppy again | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | we did an initial round during the Atlanta Summit, but didnt get much feedback | 19:33 |
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| megan_w_ | i can help make sure our message is clear on that email | 19:33 |
| megan_w_ | i think we can do better communicating the value of the project | 19:33 |
| ametts | amitgandhinz: Make sure you include links to wiki, github, et.al. so folks can see the progress that's been made. | 19:33 |
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| amitgandhinz | now that we have a team, and valuable partners, we can go back to the community showing whats been happening | 19:33 |
| megan_w_ | agreed. | 19:33 |
| megan_w_ | also | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | we might garner more interest when they see akamai, fastly, maxcdn are all on board with the project | 19:34 |
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| megan_w_ | when it comes to provider involvement, i am wondering how we can get them involved more | 19:34 |
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| megan_w_ | what do we want from providers? they'll build their plugins when its time...but they cant really do that until we have the api | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:34 |
| ametts | Why can't providers help build the API? | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | one we have the api and a few plugins, then other providers will prob get more interested | 19:35 |
| megan_w_ | so if we're recruiting them, should we be saying, "come give us your input on what a standard api should look like?" | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | providers can if they want to | 19:35 |
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| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:35 |
| megan_w_ | i thought last week's discussion about account structure was useful | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | definitely | 19:35 |
| megan_w_ | maybe we can promote our agenda better??? | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | right now the api is very much driven by this team, but i would like to see providers inflluence the design also | 19:36 |
| megan_w_ | for example, if they knew we wanted to talk about ssl certs today, would they have come? | 19:36 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:36 |
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| amitgandhinz | potentially | 19:36 |
| megan_w_ | yeah me too. we just need to make it attractive to them | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | so lets try finalizing the agenda earlier in the week and then megan_w_ can work her magi | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | magic | 19:36 |
| megan_w_ | i don't have any magi | 19:36 |
| megan_w_ | only magic | 19:37 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: seems like a good plan | 19:37 |
| megan_w_ | and let's try to have a meaty topic everytime | 19:37 |
| megan_w_ | even if its just design | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed: amitgandhinz to finalize agenda by Tuesday PM | 19:37 |
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| amitgandhinz | #agreed: megan_w_ to communicate with providers before weekly meeting | 19:38 |
| megan_w_ | bam | 19:38 |
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| obulpathi | along with providers, if we can bring more poppy deployers (like Rackspace) that will add weight to to Poppy | 19:38 |
| megan_w_ | then we can focus on more operators, which will really get providers interested | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed: amitgandhinz and megan_w_ to come up with Grade A meat in the agenda | 19:38 |
| megan_w_ | obulpathi: great minds :) | 19:38 |
| megan_w_ | I am planning to reach out to HP | 19:39 |
| obulpathi | copying ideas :D | 19:39 |
| megan_w_ | they currently work with akamai, i believe | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | what happened with edgecast? | 19:39 |
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| megan_w_ | we just havent kicked off with them yet | 19:39 |
| megan_w_ | their head guy was out for a week | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | oh ok | 19:39 |
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| megan_w_ | we were going to reconvene once he's bakc | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: when was the next local openstack meetup | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | it would be good to get on their schedule to talk about Poppy | 19:40 |
| obulpathi | today | 19:40 |
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| amitgandhinz | haha | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | ok next month then | 19:40 |
| obulpathi | yes | 19:40 |
| megan_w_ | good idea | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | do you want to take charge on that since youre familiar with it? | 19:40 |
| obulpathi | sure | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | #action: obulpathi to get on the local atlanta Openstack Meetup schedule for poppy | 19:41 |
| ametts | dhellmann^ | 19:41 |
| obulpathi | You want me to schedule a meeting for Poppy? And you wil ldo the presentaiton? | 19:41 |
| obulpathi | presentation | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | ok i think thats a good step one for community building, and lets see what we can do next | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: we both can do the presentation =) | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | all of us can get on stage =P | 19:42 |
| obulpathi | amitgandhinz: Yes, I can switch slides :) | 19:42 |
| ametts | It's only a bar. There is no stage. :) | 19:42 |
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| amitgandhinz | well, not sure if we want to do coyote ugly style presentations | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | that might get awkward | 19:43 |
| ametts | ewwww | 19:43 |
| megan_w_ | lol | 19:43 |
| megan_w_ | ok, let's move on | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | lol | 19:43 |
| obulpathi | ametts: Yes,I am in touch with dhellman. late response | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on... | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic SSL cert provisioning | 19:43 |
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| amitgandhinz | is there much to discuss here, or should we defer to next time when the providers are present? | 19:44 |
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| amitgandhinz | in related news, CloudFront released some SSL enhancements yesterday | 19:44 |
| megan_w_ | yeah | 19:44 |
| megan_w_ | we definitely need them to have an intelligent disucssion about it | 19:44 |
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| megan_w_ | them= providers | 19:44 |
| obulpathi | amitgandhinz: oh nice | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | #link: http://www.zdnet.com/aws-bolsters-cloudfront-security-7000032847/ | 19:45 |
| tonytan4ever | I think we can do some prep talk, about what we know about the providers. | 19:45 |
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| megan_w_ | tonytan4ever: take it away | 19:45 |
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| amitgandhinz | megan_w_: you are out the next two meetings | 19:45 |
| obulpathi | #link: from aws website: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/cloudfront-ssl-ciphers-session-ocsp-pfs/ | 19:45 |
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| megan_w_ | yes i am | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | you want to be here for those discussions with the providers? | 19:46 |
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| megan_w_ | perhaps. we'll talk agenda offline | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:46 |
| ametts | And who will be live-blogging the wedding to #openstack-poppy? | 19:46 |
| tonytan4ever | ok | 19:46 |
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| amitgandhinz | moving on... | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:46 |
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| amitgandhinz | ametts: we run a cdn service, megan_w_ will be live streaming =P | 19:47 |
| ametts | Ah. Of course. :) | 19:47 |
| megan_w_ | you know it | 19:47 |
| megan_w_ | ametts: any idea when we'll know about our talk proposal? | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | ok any open discussion items from anyone? | 19:47 |
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| obulpathi | Megan will be our first customer? | 19:47 |
| megan_w_ | i'd like to plan to demo poppy in paris | 19:48 |
| amitgandhinz | voting has already closed | 19:48 |
| ametts | megan_w_: No idea. I've been watching openstack-dev for clues, but I haven' t seen any. Should be soon. | 19:48 |
| megan_w_ | if we dont get a session accepted, will we still ahve design sessions? | 19:48 |
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| catherine_r | megan_w_: annegentle said maybe tomorrow... | 19:49 |
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| megan_w_ | oh cool | 19:49 |
| megan_w_ | thanks catherine_r | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | one thing I forgot: AWS does not have an official python client | 19:49 |
| megan_w_ | yuck | 19:49 |
| ametts | They'll have to be rogue/informal design sessions. | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | we should add it to bp or bugs | 19:49 |
| megan_w_ | ok | 19:49 |
| ametts | Only incubated products get scheduled ones. | 19:49 |
| megan_w_ | that's what i was wondering | 19:49 |
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| megan_w_ | good to know | 19:49 |
| ametts | They didn't even do Unconferences in the Atlanta summit. | 19:49 |
| megan_w_ | ok, we'll plan our summit presence once we hear about the session, i guess | 19:50 |
| megan_w_ | sounds like that decision is close enough to wait | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh, else we just stand outside the eiffel tower holding poppy banners | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | maybe a field trip to normandy ;-) | 19:50 |
| megan_w_ | ha | 19:50 |
| ametts | I was going to suggest that we distribute poppy flowers, but that might get us in trouble with customs. | 19:50 |
| catherine_r | giverny! | 19:51 |
| catherine_r | flowers :-) | 19:51 |
| megan_w_ | lol, i was wondering what that was | 19:51 |
| megan_w_ | ok, that's it for me. do we want to tlak about the aws python thing? | 19:51 |
| amitgandhinz | http://sharonsantoni.com/2013/06/the-poppy-fields-of-normandy.html | 19:51 |
| obulpathi | megan_w: sure | 19:52 |
| obulpathi | the thing is aws does not have a official python bindings for their API | 19:52 |
| catherine_r | amitgandhinz: Ah... good link. | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: can we just fork boto and apply our requirements to it? | 19:52 |
| obulpathi | on thei home page: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/cloudfront-ssl-ciphers-session-ocsp-pfs/ | 19:52 |
| amitgandhinz | and then submit back upstream? | 19:52 |
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| obulpathi | amitgandhinz: yes | 19:53 |
| obulpathi | thats the plan for now | 19:53 |
| ametts | Wait. | 19:53 |
| obulpathi | just want to share it here | 19:53 |
| ametts | If you do that in Python, what will you be calling behind the scenes? | 19:53 |
| amitgandhinz | do what in python? | 19:53 |
| obulpathi | AWS API | 19:53 |
| obulpathi | REST API using "XML" | 19:54 |
| ametts | oic. I get it now. | 19:54 |
| amitgandhinz | boto already is a python client, its just out of date | 19:54 |
| amitgandhinz | and the patches are slow to apply | 19:54 |
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| amitgandhinz | so if we fork boto, get the CloudFront pieces to where we need it to be and run with that until they merge it back upstream | 19:55 |
| ametts | Yeah, I was just temporarily confused about how we'd use boto if it didn't know anything about CloudFront. | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | no, it has CF support, just not things like multiple origins etc which the API supports | 19:55 |
| obulpathi | yes, only some pieces are missing | 19:56 |
| ametts | Ah. Ok. | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed: obulpathi will fork boto and apply necessary enhancements and submit upstream | 19:56 |
| obulpathi | got it | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | ok any other discussion items? | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | we have 4 minutes | 19:56 |
| megan_w_ | not from me | 19:56 |
| ametts | Anyone know a 4-minute song we could sing? | 19:57 |
| amitgandhinz | "shake it off" | 19:57 |
| amitgandhinz | - taylor swift | 19:57 |
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| megan_w_ | yeah, i gotta go | 19:57 |
| amitgandhinz | idk if its 4 min tho lol | 19:57 |
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| amitgandhinz | "papi" by J-Lo | 19:57 |
| amitgandhinz | ok i think we done here | 19:58 |
| * ametts thinks amitgandhinz has terrible taste in music | 19:58 | |
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| amitgandhinz | geez, no country, no hip hop | 19:58 |
| megan_w_ | later gators | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 19:58:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-08-21-19.02.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-08-21-19.02.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-08-21-19.02.log.html | 19:58 |
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| arnaud | #startmeeting glance | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 21 20:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is arnaud. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:00 |
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| arnaud | hey! | 20:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 20:00 |
| arnaud | nikhil___, | 20:01 |
| arnaud | zhiyan, | 20:01 |
| arnaud | flaper87|afk, | 20:01 |
| arnaud | gokrokve, | 20:01 |
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| arnaud | I guess we can get started | 20:02 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 20:02 |
| arnaud | here is the link of the agenda for today | 20:02 |
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| arnaud | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:02 |
| arnaud | so Mark is still on vacation, if I remember correctly, I think he will be back next week | 20:02 |
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| arnaud | ok, so we can get started with the Murano proposal | 20:03 |
| arnaud | #topic murano | 20:03 |
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| arnaud | so, we started the discussion last week, and I would like to take more time to make sure everybody is OK with the proposal | 20:04 |
| nikhil___ | o/ | 20:04 |
| arnaud | gokrokve, sent an email earlier this week | 20:04 |
| arnaud | let me find the link :) | 20:04 |
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| arnaud | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev%40lists.openstack.org/msg32768.html | 20:05 |
| arnaud | so, the idea is to split the Murano project (to make it fit into existing programs) | 20:05 |
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| arnaud | the catalog program would include the API piece of Murano basically | 20:06 |
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| arnaud | I think this is good for Glance because 1. this will bring new people contributing to glance (artifact<->murano) 2. I think the split makes sense, and the API fits into the mission that we want to achieve | 20:08 |
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| TravT | would API be new service endpoint? | 20:08 |
| arnaud | yep | 20:08 |
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| arnaud | that would not be integrated with Glance | 20:09 |
| arnaud | at least in the short term | 20:09 |
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| nikhil___ | wait, so the code would be in Glance however, the endpoint not? | 20:09 |
| TravT | is there a different between artifacy | 20:09 |
| arnaud | maybe in the future, we can expect integration | 20:09 |
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| arnaud | but for now I think this that's the goal | 20:10 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: we have a enable flag basically, then? | 20:10 |
| TravT | repo and app catalog? | 20:10 |
| arnaud | so, the murano API will consume the artifact api | 20:10 |
| TravT | sorry on phone today and keyboard not cooperating | 20:10 |
| arnaud | in the short term, I don't think we need to worry much about the integration between glance and murano | 20:11 |
| arnaud | they just share the same program "catalog" | 20:11 |
| arnaud | unfortunately, gokrokve doesn't seem to be around | 20:11 |
| nikhil___ | ok, we can discuss details on spec as well | 20:12 |
| arnaud | so, I think the best way is to reply to his email if you have questions and/or concerns | 20:12 |
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| nikhil___ | sounds good | 20:12 |
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| TravT | does this mean artifacts API is also separate? | 20:12 |
| arnaud | this change needs to go through the governance repo and approved by the TC | 20:12 |
| arnaud | no artifact API is in glance API V2 | 20:13 |
| arnaud | like metadefs | 20:13 |
| TravT | ok | 20:13 |
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| arnaud | #topic restrict download patch | 20:14 |
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| arnaud | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98737/ | 20:14 |
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| arnaud | abhishekk, do you want to say something about it? | 20:14 |
| tpatil_ | we are waiting for Mark to review this patch, but would appreciate if others can give their feedback too. | 20:14 |
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| arnaud | ok tpatil_, sounds good to me. I tested the patch locally. from my perspective it is OK | 20:15 |
| arnaud | also, it is one of our target for J-3 | 20:15 |
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| arnaud | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/juno-3 | 20:15 |
| tpatil_ | great!! | 20:15 |
| tpatil_ | yes | 20:15 |
| arnaud | so I am confident it will make it tpatil_ | 20:15 |
| tpatil_ | Thanks | 20:16 |
| abhishekk | arnaud:thank you | 20:16 |
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| arnaud | let me update the LP BP to mark the status as Need reviews | 20:16 |
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| arnaud | next we have | 20:18 |
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| arnaud | #topic Use Launcher/ProcessLauncher to launch services | 20:18 |
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| arnaud | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110867/ | 20:18 |
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| arnaud | abhishekk, could you share a bit more what this is doing | 20:19 |
| arnaud | and why we need that in J-3 | 20:19 |
| abhishekk | arnaud:currently I have finished the integration and fixin of unittests | 20:19 |
| tpatil_ | presently, glance api doesn't handle SIGHUP signal successfully so it cannot reload the updated configuration files. | 20:20 |
| arnaud | do you have the links to the patches handy? | 20:20 |
| abhishekk | yes, | 20:20 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110012/ | 20:20 |
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| arnaud | thanks abhishekk | 20:21 |
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| abhishekk | yes with this we can able to use features like reload configuration on SIGHUP, graceful shutdown etc | 20:22 |
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| arnaud | ok, let me look at the patch, I will discuss with Mark when he gets back | 20:23 |
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| abhishekk | ok | 20:23 |
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| tpatil__ | sounds good, Thanks | 20:23 |
| arnaud | the feature freeze is | 20:24 |
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| arnaud | September 4th | 20:24 |
| arnaud | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 20:24 |
| abhishekk | yes with two weeks in hand | 20:25 |
| arnaud | yep | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | what's the doc freeze date? | 20:25 |
| arnaud | not sure tbh | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | and do the(se) DocImapct patches get affected? | 20:25 |
| nikhil___ | ok | 20:25 |
| arnaud | #action what's the doc freeze date | 20:26 |
| rosmaita | nikhil___: do you mean the string freeze? | 20:26 |
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| arnaud | #topic tasks | 20:27 |
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| nikhil___ | rosmaita: oh yes, that's the one | 20:27 |
| arnaud | nikhil___, I think we are very close to get it merged very soon :) | 20:27 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: sounds good :D | 20:27 |
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| nikhil___ | gunna push up a PS later today!! | 20:27 |
| arnaud | I let some comments (mostly minor things) | 20:28 |
| arnaud | ok | 20:28 |
| nikhil___ | and willing to take on any other related work as necessary we need to get in j3 | 20:28 |
| nikhil___ | like some more testing in glance | 20:28 |
| rosmaita | i think the string freeze is sept 11 | 20:28 |
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| nikhil___ | rosmaita: thanks! that's a relief | 20:28 |
| arnaud | ok thanks rosmaita! | 20:28 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: do we target tempest tests for tasks in kilo 1/2 ? | 20:29 |
| arnaud | K-1 would be nice | 20:29 |
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| nikhil___ | and rather try to get glance client support in j3 | 20:29 |
| arnaud | as soon as we land your patch, I will focus on the task work | 20:30 |
| nikhil___ | cool | 20:30 |
| arnaud | the last bp in the list | 20:30 |
| arnaud | actually | 20:30 |
| arnaud | the 2 lasts :) | 20:30 |
| nikhil___ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48850/ | 20:30 |
| nikhil___ | needs rebase and some review (iiuc) | 20:30 |
| arnaud | are 1. GPFS store 2. metadefs | 20:30 |
| arnaud | nikhil___, let's merge first the glance side (your PS) + the task flow PS | 20:31 |
| arnaud | and then we can merge the client, sounds good? | 20:31 |
| nikhil___ | ok | 20:31 |
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| arnaud | #topic gpfs store | 20:32 |
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| arnaud | anyone has been looking at the patch? | 20:32 |
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| arnaud | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80182/ | 20:32 |
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| arnaud | I will try to reach zhiyan since this is an IBM thing | 20:33 |
| nikhil___ | yea | 20:33 |
| arnaud | the problem that I can see with that is glance.store | 20:34 |
| arnaud | so, about glance.store, I started an email thread with flaper87|afk earlier this week | 20:34 |
| arnaud | to try to build the PS gaps | 20:34 |
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| arnaud | so, I have been able to build the list for the vmware store, since I have been pushing all of the patches | 20:35 |
| arnaud | but for the other stores, that's really hard to build the list | 20:35 |
| arnaud | because all of the stores haven't been merged at the same time into glance.store | 20:35 |
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| arnaud | + some changes happened in glance.store | 20:36 |
| arnaud | so far, we have this list | 20:36 |
| arnaud | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/backports-glance.store | 20:36 |
| arnaud | but that mostly contain vmware stuff | 20:36 |
| arnaud | so, it's not really relevant | 20:36 |
| arnaud | I am not sure what we want to do with it, flaper87|afk said that he is still working on the infra side | 20:37 |
| arnaud | so we will see... | 20:37 |
| nikhil___ | he was also waiting for Mark | 20:37 |
| arnaud | ok | 20:37 |
| arnaud | sounds good | 20:38 |
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| arnaud | ok, so last thing we would like to see in J3 | 20:38 |
| arnaud | #topic metadefs | 20:38 |
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| arnaud | so, I started to look at the DB patch (most of things are fairly mechanical from my pov) | 20:39 |
| arnaud | I know the patches are regularly updated | 20:39 |
| arnaud | TravT, could you share an quick update with us? | 20:39 |
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| nikhil___ | :) | 20:40 |
| arnaud | nikhil___, have you been looking at the metadefs patches? | 20:41 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: :) | 20:41 |
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| nikhil___ | was going to ask if you got a chance to test it on devstack | 20:41 |
| wayne___ | we.re waiting for more re | 20:42 |
| arnaud | so, tbh, I tried to execute what TravT sent | 20:42 |
| wayne___ | reviews | 20:42 |
| arnaud | but it didn't work unfortunately | 20:42 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: my devstack was pre-occupied with tasks for the past few days however, can try this week | 20:42 |
| nikhil___ | oh | 20:42 |
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| nikhil___ | glad you mentioned :) | 20:42 |
| arnaud | yes, I can imagine nikhil___ | 20:43 |
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| lakshmiS | Can you send us the issues you encountered | 20:43 |
| arnaud | I am going to look again at the DB layer tomorrow | 20:43 |
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| arnaud | lakshmiS, the script didn't work the first time somehow, and is not idempotent :) | 20:43 |
| gokrokve | arnaud: Sorry I stuck in a meeting | 20:43 |
| gokrokve | arnaud: But now I can talk :-) | 20:44 |
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| arnaud | it's failing to to create the patch in Horizon | 20:44 |
| arnaud | I have to manually git commit -a | 20:44 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: is horizon part planned for j3? | 20:44 |
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| arnaud | nikhil___, I think that's the goal yes | 20:44 |
| wayne___ | in process of changes per last review | 20:45 |
| nikhil___ | oh | 20:45 |
| lakshmiS | Yeah the script was a quickly written. | 20:45 |
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| TravT | sorry keep getting disconnected. | 20:45 |
| arnaud | np TravT :) | 20:45 |
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| TravT | the patches for horizon are approved for j3 | 20:46 |
| arnaud | ok | 20:46 |
| TravT | have gotten a couple reviews on one of them and addressed. | 20:46 |
| arnaud | TravT, is there a spec for Horizon? | 20:46 |
| TravT | but are dependent on client | 20:46 |
| TravT | yeah. blurprints. | 20:46 |
| arnaud | could you share the link here? | 20:47 |
| TravT | horizon doesn't use specs yet. | 20:47 |
| TravT | let me find them | 20:47 |
| arnaud | ok ok | 20:47 |
| TravT | just a sec (on phone) | 20:47 |
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| nikhil___ | arnaud: metadefs on my list after tasks | 20:48 |
| arnaud | sounds great nikhil___ | 20:48 |
| nikhil___ | am guessing(hoping) that we do not have artifacts for j3 | 20:48 |
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| TravT | on this page #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-3 | 20:48 |
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| arnaud | ok thanks TravT | 20:49 |
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| TravT | any assigned to pawel skowron or me | 20:49 |
| TravT | arnaud: if you have problems with script send in email. I will addrezz | 20:50 |
| arnaud | ok TravT | 20:51 |
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| arnaud | #topic open discussion | 20:51 |
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| arnaud | anyone? :) | 20:52 |
| nikhil___ | arnaud: can we compile a list of reviews to be done for j3 so that they can be distributed amongst reviewers and priorotized? | 20:52 |
| arnaud | yes | 20:52 |
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| nikhil___ | etherpad would be nice if gerrit does not support such a functionality | 20:52 |
| arnaud | I will build that list | 20:53 |
| arnaud | and send it to the ML | 20:53 |
| nikhil___ | awesome | 20:53 |
| nikhil___ | thank you! | 20:53 |
| arnaud | np | 20:53 |
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| arnaud | ok, I think we can go back to reviews now :) | 20:53 |
| arnaud | thanks | 20:53 |
| arnaud | #endmeeting | 20:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 21 20:53:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-21-20.00.html | 20:53 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-21-20.00.txt | 20:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-08-21-20.00.log.html | 20:53 |
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