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dimsum_#startmeeting oslo16:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Aug 22 16:00:15 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dimsum_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'16:00
rpodolyakao/16:00
dimsum_hi all16:00
YorikSarHi16:00
zzzeeko/ and also what is the origin of o/.  i mean, :) is intuitive.  o/ ? is that like a handtruck ?  a musical note ?16:00
viktorshi!16:00
bnemeco/16:00
bknudsonhi16:01
YorikSarzzzeek: It's like a raised hand :)16:01
bnemeczzzeek: o/ is a little stick figure man waving :-)16:01
zzzeekoh yes, very clear16:01
zzzeek:)16:01
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dimsum_dhellmann is travelling today, fyi16:01
dimsum_#topic Review action items from previous meeting16:01
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bknudsonis still trying to figure out why everyone colon - close parenthesis?16:02
bnemecbknudson: ;)16:02
dimsum_Anyone have things to bring up from the action items from previous meeting?16:02
dimsum_k let's switch topics16:02
dimsum_#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:03
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dimsum_any liaisons around today?16:03
bknudsontrying to switch keystoneclient to use oslo proved to be more complicated than just using it.16:03
zzzeekwhat defines a “liaison” exactly ?16:03
zzzeekim I a liaison ?16:03
bknudsonso I'm not sure that I'll be able to get that done for juno.16:03
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dimsum_zzzeek: point people from large projects like nova, glance etc16:04
zzzeekdimsum_: OK16:04
bknudsonbut I'll keep working on it from time to time. I think I know what I need to do for it.16:04
YorikSarzzzeek: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/ProjectLiaisons16:04
dimsum_bknudson: how can we help? any pending bugs/reviews?16:04
zzzeekhooray! im not a liasion16:04
dimsum_zzzeek: :)16:05
bknudsonlet me see... there might be a change in requirements.16:05
dimsum_bknudson: oslo.utils and oslo.i18n have been rev'ved up in requirements16:05
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bknudsonthe issue is that if I try to use it in keystoneclient then it gets used in stable testing16:06
bknudsonso now oslo.utils needs to be in stable requirements16:06
dimsum_bknudson: ah. has someone logged a review already?16:06
* zzzeek would like to point out that a sofa delivery which was expected 2 hours from now has just arrived, and has to step away16:06
bknudsonI think mriedem has one16:06
dimsum_bknudson: thanks. switching topics16:07
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zzzeekbut if i may AFK with, please approve these patches!  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.db+branch:master+topic:use-dispatch-for-engine-init,n,z16:07
dimsum_zzzeek: ack16:07
dimsum_#action cores to look at zzzeek's patches   https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.db+branch:master+topic:use-dispatch-for-engine-init,n,z16:07
dimsum_#topic oslo.concurrency graduation status16:08
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viktorsdimsum_, zzzeek ok, will do )16:08
dimsum_bnemec around?16:08
bnemecdimsum_: Yep16:08
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dimsum_bnemec: any updates? anyone helping you?16:08
bnemecNeed to finish up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116126/16:08
viktorssorry, I had a few time for review on this week (16:08
bnemecYorikSar took care of switching to oslo.utils.16:09
YorikSarWe had some progress on oslo.concurrency. CRs switching it to oslo libs are almost done....16:09
dimsum_viktors: ack, not an issue :)16:09
dimsum_YorikSar, bnemec nice16:09
bnemecI think there may be some other work that needs to be done before release (moving the config opts to a concurrency group, for example).16:09
dimsum_bnemec ok, will watch out for reviews16:10
YorikSarbnemec: Yes, there is a lot of work ahead - cleaning up processutils, fixing tests, etc.16:10
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dimsum_YorikSar: bnemec - have a etherpad or something?16:10
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dimsum_for tracking TODO's16:11
bnemecProbably should track it in the bp whiteboard.16:11
YorikSardimsum_: There are TODOs in bp16:11
YorikSardimsum_: But they might not cover everything.16:11
dimsum_ok thanks, i'll let you both figure it out :) if you do need help with items, please holler16:12
dimsum_#topic oslo.serialization graduation status16:12
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dimsum_couple of reviews left i think16:12
dimsum_3 reviews merged yday16:12
bnemecAll of my infra changes merged, so that side of things should be ready.16:13
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dimsum_bnemec: nice16:13
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* bnemec should update the bp whiteboard16:13
dimsum_let's shoot for a release next week bnemec?16:13
bnemecWithout looking at the todo list, that sounds reasonable. :-)16:14
dimsum_#action bnemec and dims to try get oslo.serialization out next week16:14
dimsum_lol16:14
dimsum_#topic oslo.utils release review16:14
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dimsum_Anyone have issues with oslo.utils?16:14
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bknudsonother than the issue with using it in keystoneclient.16:14
dimsum_i have a review in oslo-incubator to switch it to oslo.utils (utcnow issues in keystone, nova)16:14
dimsum_bknudson: ack16:15
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bknudsondimsum_: that review in oslo-incubator would make it so we can't use it in keystoneclient.16:15
dimsum_i believe YorikSar was asking about keeping test cases for code that moved into libraties16:15
YorikSardimsum_: Yes, I think tests should stay with libraries.16:15
bknudsoni.e., we won't be able to update oslo-incubator in keystoneclient until the issue with stable branches gets resolved.16:15
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bnemecbknudson: So we should prioritize getting that resolved?16:16
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bknudsonyes, I think that can get resolved.16:16
bnemecOtherwise it sounds like oslo.utils adoption is blocked.16:16
bknudsonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/114844/ was the requirements review, which is +A16:16
dimsum_#action dims to chase oslo.utils adoption in stables branches16:16
bknudsonso now I need to figure out how to get the update to keystone requirements.16:17
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bknudsonwhich is this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114846/16:17
YorikSarbknudson: It should be done with incubator update16:17
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bknudsonbut I'm trying to figure out the review comments.16:18
bknudsonand was waiting on the requirements update anyways.16:18
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dimsum_bknudson: ack, will discuss with dhellmann about this16:18
dimsum_switching topics16:18
dimsum_#topic oslo.db release fallout16:19
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dimsum_is Manila back on its feet?16:19
viktorsdimsum_: yes16:19
dimsum_viktors: nice16:19
dimsum_Anyone else broken?16:19
viktorsdimsum_: seems, no16:19
dimsum_viktors: glad to hear. any other issues with the release?16:20
dimsum_(that we should be fixing in next rev of oslo.db)16:20
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dimsum_moving on16:20
dimsum_#topic Adoption status16:21
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viktorsdimsum_:  aliasons didn't informed me :)16:21
dimsum_viktors: i hear you16:21
viktorsdimsum_: by the way16:22
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dimsum_yes16:22
viktorsdimsum_: should we set min and max release versions in projects reqiurements?16:22
bnemecviktors: No max.16:22
bnemecIf we can help it anyway.16:22
viktorsbnemec: why?16:22
dimsum_viktors: yes, no max, just min16:22
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bnemecPeople forget to update the max when there's a new release and then we end up way behind without realizing it.16:23
bknudsonare you planning a backwards incompatible change?16:23
bnemecIf a new version is broken then we have to version cap temporarily, but in general we don't want to.16:23
viktorsbnemec: imo, openstack proposel bot will bump the version16:23
dimsum_viktors: getting new stuff in will get hard16:23
viktorsand then we will fix issues (if any)16:23
bnemecviktors: But someone has to update it in global-requirements.16:23
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bnemecAnd if all we're going to do is "release -> update global-requirements" then we might as well not cap at all.16:24
* viktors want this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85487/16:25
rpodolyakaI guess viktors' point is more like - we need a way to test everyting works correctly before we *tag* a new release16:25
dimsum_getting core reviews and +2's from other projects is very hard :(16:25
bnemecYeah, we have a cross-testing problem still.16:25
bknudsonthe master branch should be testing against all the projects16:25
rpodolyakais someone working on this?16:26
bnemecI suspect it's blocked on infra resource limits lately.16:26
rpodolyaka:(16:26
dimsum_we need dhellmann's view anyways16:26
viktors:(16:26
bnemecAdding the cross-test matrix is going to increase the number of nodes we use quite a bit.16:27
viktorsafaik, it's dhellmann's proposal16:27
dimsum_#action raise this topic again next week - Better way to test oslo.libs releases don't break consuming projects16:27
viktorsbnemec: can we run these tests at least on demand ?16:27
bnemecYeah, so he'd be the one to talk to about it.16:27
bnemecviktors: You should be able to use the run_cross_tests.sh script to do it manually.16:28
bnemecI don't think there's any way to do it in the gate right now.16:28
viktorsbnemec: hm, looks like I missed something16:28
viktorsbnemec: can I fins this script somewhere?16:29
viktors*find16:29
dimsum_#link https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/tools/run_cross_tests.sh16:29
bnemecHmm, it's missing from oslo.db.16:30
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viktorsdimsum_: thanks, will look at it16:30
bnemecSo yeah, you'll want to sync the script dimsum_ linked.16:30
dimsum_switching topics?16:30
dimsum_going once16:30
viktorsbnemec: seems, yes16:30
dimsum_#topic Review priorities for this week16:31
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dimsum_zzzeek: already mentioned he needed reviews, anyone else?16:31
bnemecviktors: Like this: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.concurrency/blob/master/openstack-common.conf#L716:31
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dimsum_#action viktors to look at merging run_cross_tests.sh in oslo.db16:32
viktorsdimsum_: ok16:32
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dimsum_switching topics...16:32
dimsum_#topic open discussion16:32
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YorikSarThat was fast16:33
dimsum_Summer is ending here, kids are going to school in a week :)16:33
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YorikSarMy rootwrap daemon mode patches landed.16:33
dimsum_YorikSar: nice!16:34
YorikSarSo I guess we'll have new rootwrap release soon16:34
dimsum_YorikSar: pinged ttx yet?16:34
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dimsum_bnemec: you still on for chairing next week?16:35
YorikSardimsum_: He pinged me about it. I'll have to verify that this code works with my Neutron patches and then I'll ask him to do release.16:35
bnemecdimsum_: Yep16:35
dimsum_YorikSar: cool16:35
dimsum_#info benemec to chair the meeting in 1 week16:35
dimsum_YorikSar: do ping dhellmann before you cut a release. he likes to know16:36
YorikSardimsum_: Sure.16:36
dimsum_zzzeek: back yet?16:36
bknudsonmust be a big couch16:37
dimsum_:)16:37
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dimsum_if there isn't anything else...let's call it a wrap16:37
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dimsum_fyi, i'll be out the tail end of next week (quick trip to cape cod)16:38
dimsum_bye for now16:38
dimsum_#endmeeting16:38
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viktorsbye!16:38
bknudsonthanks16:38
rpodolyakathanks everyone, bye!16:39
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