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| joehuang | hi | 01:01 |
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| dongfeng | hello | 01:01 |
| Yipei | hi | 01:01 |
| xuzhuang | hi | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | hi all, let's start our meeting | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 01:01:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
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| zhiyuan | at the beginning, just to remind that our PTG will be held on Sep 15th. I set the time from 9:00am to 17:00 pm, is that fine for you? | 01:02 |
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| joehuang | fine | 01:03 |
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| Yipei | fine | 01:03 |
| dongfeng | fine | 01:03 |
| xuzhuang_ | fine | 01:03 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, then I would to have a discussion of one of our configuration options | 01:04 |
| zhiyuan | #topic auth_url-and-identity_url | 01:04 |
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| zhiyuan | currently we have two options about keystone url | 01:04 |
| zhiyuan | I scan our code and find that only auth_url is used | 01:05 |
| zhiyuan | I am just thinking that these two options may make users confused, especially only one of them takes effect | 01:06 |
| joehuang | yes, too many terms in keystone configuration, quite confused | 01:06 |
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| zhiyuan | this comes to my mind because about two days ago sapd pinged me in the #openstack-tricircle channel | 01:07 |
| joehuang | good idea to refine the configuration items | 01:08 |
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| zhiyuan | sapd failed to access the local neutron server because of keystone auth error. | 01:09 |
| RongHui11 | hello | 01:09 |
| zhiyuan | after modifying the code a bit and use identity_url, sapd succeeded to access the server, so I guess the options are mis-configured | 01:09 |
| zhiyuan | hi ronghui | 01:10 |
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| joehuang | it would be great if sapd can submit a patch to enhance the configuration | 01:11 |
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| zhiyuan | sapd fork our repos and modify in his own repos, but I have told him the git-review way | 01:12 |
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| zhiyuan | he tries to use session instead of directly using token in his modification | 01:13 |
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| joehuang | is the configuration guide not clear enough, then there is space to improve it. | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan | but I think improve our configuration options are also fine, since the CI shows that our code works in the default configuration | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan | what about improving our doc to tell that auth_url is the used one | 01:16 |
| zhiyuan | and also tell users how to correctly configure it | 01:16 |
| joehuang | +1 | 01:16 |
| zhiyuan | later we can remove the identity_url option | 01:17 |
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| zhiyuan | #action improve configuration guide about auth_url and identity_url | 01:18 |
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| joehuang | maybe we can have a chat in #openstack-tricircle with sapd, he is not in the meeting now | 01:18 |
| zhiyuan | sapd seems to be online at about 11:00 | 01:19 |
| zhiyuan | we can ping him after the meeting | 01:19 |
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| zhiyuan | he is trying to intergrate trio2o and tricircle :) | 01:20 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:20 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, next let's sync our progress | 01:22 |
| zhiyuan | #topic development-progress | 01:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "development-progress (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:22 | |
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| dongfeng | for me, the patch for job pagination in tricircleclient is committed. | 01:24 |
| Yipei | for lbaas, working on improving get_subnet and fixing the wrong route configuration. already tested the code in the environment, it works | 01:24 |
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| zhiyuan | I have a patch about supporting network direct deleting, but need to evaluate whether it also works in concurrency scenario | 01:25 |
| zhiyuan | to dongfeng, yes, I see virtor already posts +2 | 01:25 |
| joehuang | will review soon | 01:25 |
| dongfeng | en, I test it, it works. | 01:26 |
| zhiyuan | to yipei, what's the wrong route configuration? | 01:26 |
| Yipei | after adding member, the route table is updated | 01:27 |
| Yipei | two entries for east-west traffic are replaced | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan | oh, I recall the issue. we have discussed that | 01:28 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:28 |
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| zhiyuan | so you can submit both the patch for improving get_subnet and fixing route | 01:29 |
| RongHui11 | a question for QoS configuration, the configuration of central neutron is according to the driver method, and not very understand for this method | 01:29 |
| Yipei | to zhiyuan, ok, got it | 01:30 |
| zhiyuan | to ronghui, add QoS pluin to the service plugin, then set the QoS driver as your implementation, have you tried that? | 01:31 |
| RongHui11 | just trying | 01:32 |
| zhiyuan | I think it should be similar to SFC: https://docs.openstack.org/tricircle/latest/networking/networking-guide.html#service-function-chaining-guide | 01:32 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 01:32 |
| zhiyuan | so the problem is that your driver is not called? | 01:32 |
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| RongHui11 | yes | 01:33 |
| zhiyuan | the central neutron server log may also show what drivers are loaded | 01:35 |
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| RongHui11 | ok we will check the log and try to fix it | 01:35 |
| zhiyuan | one second, let me check the neutron code | 01:36 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 01:37 |
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| zhiyuan | the registration of qos driver is not based on configuration | 01:41 |
| zhiyuan | it's becaused on notification | 01:41 |
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| zhiyuan | after receiving the AFTER_INIT event of QOS_PLUGIN, the driver registers itself | 01:42 |
| RongHui11 | you mean we dont need to add QoS to the service plugin? | 01:43 |
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| RongHui11 | sorry QoS plugin | 01:44 |
| zhiyuan | QoS plugin should be added to service-plugin, but no extra driver options | 01:44 |
| RongHui11 | got it | 01:44 |
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| zhiyuan | could you check what drivers are loaded by add some print commands in the code? | 01:47 |
| zhiyuan | you may need to modify qos plugin in neutron | 01:47 |
| RongHui11 | not check yet | 01:48 |
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| zhiyuan | you already call qos_driver.register() in the __init__ of central plugin, so I am confused why the driver is not called | 01:50 |
| zhiyuan | we can have further discussion on #openstack-tricircle channel | 01:51 |
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| RongHui11 | ok | 01:51 |
| zhiyuan | #topic open-discussion | 01:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open-discussion (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:51 | |
| zhiyuan | any other topics? | 01:52 |
| joehuang | no | 01:52 |
| Yipei | no | 01:52 |
| RongHui11 | no | 01:52 |
| zhiyuan | then let's end our meeting, thanks for attending, bye | 01:52 |
| dongfeng | no | 01:52 |
| dongfeng | bye. | 01:53 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 30 01:53:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:53 |
| Yipei | bye | 01:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-30-01.01.html | 01:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-30-01.01.txt | 01:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-30-01.01.log.html | 01:53 |
| xuzhuang_ | bye | 01:53 |
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| zioproto | hello | 10:55 |
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| verdurin | Hello | 11:00 |
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| priteau | Hi | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 11:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 11:01:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Hello all | 11:01 |
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| enolfc | Hi | 11:01 |
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| verdurin | Afternoon, oneswig | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_30th_2017 | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Top of the afternoon to you all :-) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 11:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 11:02 |
| b1airo | o/ | 11:02 |
| oneswig | The three horsemen of the apocalypse, reunited at last... | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 11:02 |
| oneswig | In other words | 11:02 |
| b1airo | how's things? feeling refreshed oneswig, one week wouldn't cut it for me! | 11:03 |
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| b1airo | honestly still fantasizing about being on the beach | 11:03 |
| oneswig | I was fully recharged for at least a day... | 11:03 |
| martial | glad you gents had "hopefully relaxing" vacations :) | 11:03 |
| b1airo | hah | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | It's almost back to school time, alas | 11:04 |
| oneswig | OK lets get going - just the second edition to discuss on the agenda today | 11:04 |
| oneswig | #topic second edition of the Scientific OpenStack book | 11:04 |
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| oneswig | OK, I read most of the first edition again, a real page turner | 11:04 |
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| martial | oneswig: maybe oenstack days london if that is still something to finalize? | 11:05 |
| b1airo | it was certainly gripping stuff | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Kathy Cacciatore and Chris Hoge from the Foundation are keen to produce a revised edition, as you'll probably know by now | 11:05 |
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| oneswig | Enol has stepped up to lead the creation of a sixth chapter on federation - correct enolfc? | 11:06 |
| oneswig | martial: OS days London - good point | 11:06 |
| oneswig | There are three major tasks to cover in the second edition: | 11:07 |
| enolfc | oneswig: yes ,starting to work on this | 11:07 |
| oneswig | 1) refresh the good bits | 11:07 |
| oneswig | 2) cut out and replace the bits that have 'gone off' | 11:07 |
| oneswig | 3) add the federation chapter | 11:07 |
| oneswig | enolfc: that's great to hear. | 11:08 |
| oneswig | I will contact the contributors to the original book and ask for updates | 11:08 |
| priteau | I hope the Chameleon chapter is considered one of the good bits, as I have started to refresh it ;-) | 11:09 |
| oneswig | The book was assembled in a set of google docs, and then transcribed to markdown (in one direction) and something more graphic-design oriented (for print) | 11:09 |
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| b1airo | hi priteau! | 11:09 |
| oneswig | Thanks priteau, that's one less email to send :-) | 11:10 |
| priteau | oneswig: We'll work directly on the scientific-wg repo this time? | 11:10 |
| oneswig | priteau: that's something I wanted to ask people about. | 11:10 |
| verdurin | oneswig: on Github, it says it's in RST | 11:10 |
| priteau | Yes, it's RST | 11:10 |
| oneswig | verdurin: markdown/rst, whatever, I get them mixed up, apologies | 11:11 |
| priteau | Markup format overflow | 11:11 |
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| priteau | oneswig: I am used to gerrit so it's not a problem for me. Maybe more complex for newcomers? | 11:12 |
| oneswig | The question I had was, do people prefer to use the gerrit process, or suggestion mode on a google doc? | 11:12 |
| b1airo | i am yet to see a Turing complete markdown... | 11:12 |
| priteau | Especially with the strict deadline | 11:12 |
| enolfc | I'm fine with sending reviews to gerrit also | 11:13 |
| b1airo | likewise | 11:13 |
| oneswig | OK, that sounds fine by me. | 11:14 |
| daveholland | haven't used gerrit but happy to learn (assuming it's like github pull request?) | 11:14 |
| b1airo | if it will ultimately be typeset and published from there then it makes sense to stay there | 11:14 |
| verdurin | I'm rusty with Gerrit, happy to go with the consensus | 11:14 |
| b1airo | but perhaps if it suits anyone in particular we could let them edit in Docs and do the reviews for them (rather than miss out on content) | 11:15 |
| oneswig | We have the advantage that all changes are disjoint from one another. | 11:15 |
| oneswig | Only one person is responsible for each section of text. | 11:15 |
| priteau | oneswig: Does it mean that all authors need to sign the Contributor License Agreement, and potentially their employer need to sign the Corporate Contributor License Agreement too? | 11:16 |
| oneswig | So we can do either - but the final handover to Kathy is a google doc. I can transfer patchsets from gerrit. | 11:16 |
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| oneswig | priteau: I don't know about that. Is that applied to all OpenStack repos? | 11:17 |
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| oneswig | It didn't come up last time because it was done in Google doc - outside of the OpenStack repos. The document is creative commons licensed. | 11:17 |
| b1airo | hmm, sounds like a question for governance peeps | 11:18 |
| oneswig | Do we have a case where that might be contentious? | 11:18 |
| b1airo | i recall some changes happening around this recently so that it was less of a blanket requirement, but i wouldn't be surprised if gerrit access relied on it | 11:19 |
| priteau | oneswig: I had a collegue start contributing to an OpenStack project recently, and he couldn't push to Gerrit until he had signed the CLA | 11:19 |
| priteau | b1airo: I believe the change is that you don't need to join the OpenStack foundation anymore | 11:19 |
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| oneswig | The simple way around this is to migrate editing to google docs. | 11:19 |
| b1airo | ah yep, thanks priteau | 11:19 |
| b1airo | (for anyone not willing or able to sign?) | 11:20 |
| priteau | oneswig: Not sure if it can be contentious, but potentially lengthy if one has to deal with their legal department | 11:20 |
| oneswig | priteau: right - I once worked in such a place. | 11:20 |
| priteau | UChicago was quite efficient, I was impressed :-) | 11:21 |
| oneswig | OK, it's not insurmountable. I will provide both options. | 11:21 |
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| b1airo | depends very much on the objectives of the org.! | 11:22 |
| oneswig | enolfc: are you working on the RST in git? | 11:22 |
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| enolfc | oneswig: yes, but don't mind moving to google doc | 11:23 |
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| martial | b1airo: as much as people are willing to sign, sometimes their organization make it hard for them | 11:23 |
| oneswig | enolfc: entirely up to you. Whichever way is simpler for managing and combining contributions. | 11:24 |
| b1airo | yep, that's what i meant - some legal departments are all about protecting company IP at all costs and no matter how measly | 11:24 |
| oneswig | enolfc: the final output should be a google doc, that's all we require. The process is not important | 11:24 |
| priteau | So should we leave it to each author to choose between gerrit and GDocs? | 11:25 |
| b1airo | sounded like that was the outcome | 11:26 |
| oneswig | priteau: either works for me, once editing is complete it's easy to combine into the final doc | 11:26 |
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| b1airo | so oneswig, will you ping everyone with those details and a drop-dead date on edits, with links to the current/last version of the docs? | 11:26 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I will do that | 11:27 |
| martial | how are we organizing the editor/reviewer jobs? | 11:27 |
| verdurin | martial: my offer to be a reviewer stands | 11:27 |
| martial | verdurin: thank you | 11:27 |
| b1airo | likewise i am happy to review one or two others | 11:27 |
| oneswig | verdurin: can you (and anyone else able to review) add yourself to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 11:28 |
| martial | if we are going to use Google docs, we can ask people to male "suggestions" and "comments" on the individual documents | 11:28 |
| oneswig | martial: agreed | 11:29 |
| martial | I would keep each article separate until it is time to merge, because people editing at the same time create chaos ;) | 11:29 |
| priteau | My availability for September will be patchy, so I can't commit to review, but if available I will try to look at what's been proposed | 11:29 |
| enolfc | martial: +1 | 11:29 |
| oneswig | priteau: if you can refresh the chameleon case study, that would be a great help. Reviewing elsewhere is a bonus | 11:30 |
| oneswig | daveholland: Are you and James still able / interested in contributing a case study on Lustre at Sanger? | 11:30 |
| priteau | The Chameleon case study should be no problem | 11:30 |
| zioproto | I probably will not have time to participate into this, but I think google docs is much better for this kind of review/edits. We are not really reviewing code here, where Gerrit is perfect. To work on text documents Google Docs works just fine. | 11:30 |
| daveholland | oneswig: yes, we spoke about it this morning. Do you have any guidance on e.g. number of words, audience knowledge level...? | 11:31 |
| oneswig | zioproto: I tend to agree, but we can offer both options | 11:31 |
| martial | daveholland + oneswig: I agree, we ought to place a number of pages limit and style | 11:31 |
| martial | what we know: Selected 8"H x 10"W. | 11:32 |
| oneswig | daveholland: only the first edition as a guide. Roughly, it works out as a page, including a picture and a quotation. So about half a page of text, including some particular details | 11:32 |
| b1airo | daveholland, it's mostly digital so length is not a big deal but take a look at the existing book - the sections are relatively short | 11:33 |
| daveholland | oneswig: OK that's less than we expected (depending how much explanation of Lustre routers we need to put it) | 11:33 |
| martial | oneswig: 10 pages limit, single column | 11:33 |
| oneswig | daveholland: in terms of the level of technical detail, assume you're writing for somebody attending Supercomputing who knows about OpenStack. Technical architect types | 11:34 |
| b1airo | should we review the list of V2 suggestions that Kathy provided? | 11:34 |
| oneswig | martial: thanks - that's for a chapter, IIRC? And the pages are google doc pages | 11:35 |
| oneswig | b1airo: mostly they were typos etc? | 11:35 |
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| oneswig | We should look at case studies for federation - enolfc have you thoughts on how to get diverse coverage of case studies? | 11:37 |
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| oneswig | And we also need a new case study for bare metal infrastructure management | 11:38 |
| martial | enolfc: are you working with Khalil on content as well? | 11:39 |
| enolfc | oneswig: not yet | 11:39 |
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| enolfc | I need to contact Tim for the possible CERN input | 11:40 |
| martial | stig: do we have a directory in google drive for people to populate | 11:40 |
| oneswig | I'd suggest we include three, chosen to take different approaches and (ideally) be geographically spread | 11:40 |
| martial | with their content and then we can act as editors as well as writers to integrate content once it is vouched for? | 11:41 |
| oneswig | martial: There was one, I'll check | 11:41 |
| b1airo | enolfc, i would imagine Wilfred could pull together some content about how the Nectar federation works (and how we see it evolving) | 11:41 |
| martial | if there was one, it needs to be linked into the etherpad | 11:41 |
| enolfc | blairo, oneswig: so we can have Nectar, CERN, and EGI | 11:41 |
| oneswig | enolfc: that would work - provided they don't all use the same solution! | 11:42 |
| martial | make it "v2" or something, we let people put new content there and we integrate when we are ready | 11:42 |
| oneswig | martial: good point, will do | 11:42 |
| enolfc | something from the US would be nice | 11:42 |
| martial | thanks Stig | 11:42 |
| b1airo | along the lines of oneswig's question re. the same solution - is CERN's cloud federated heavily in any particular dimension? | 11:42 |
| oneswig | enolfc: agreed. | 11:43 |
| martial | enolfc: Mike Lowe, Robert Budden and Time Randles were talking about adding content | 11:43 |
| b1airo | they are big users of Cell's, but I am not sure if that is Cell's across multiple orgs? | 11:43 |
| oneswig | b1airo: they use federated authentication for access to CERN tier-0 resources IIRC | 11:43 |
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| oneswig | so not multi-site so much for the infras | 11:43 |
| oneswig | apart from Hungary I guess, but it's still logically the same 'site' | 11:44 |
| b1airo | oneswig, but i presume much like our Australian Access Federation that the Federation part is actually a separate and previously established service? | 11:44 |
| b1airo | perhaps it is more deeply integrated into the cloud access? | 11:45 |
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| b1airo | e.g. SSO? | 11:45 |
| oneswig | I don't think the federated auth pre-dates OpenStack, I am not sure. I have notes from a workshop I attended (with zioproto - perhaps he remembers better...) | 11:46 |
| oneswig | and enolfc - weren't you atteding remotely? | 11:46 |
| b1airo | no sign of of noggin or belmiro unfortunately | 11:46 |
| b1airo | anyway, we shall see i guess - i am certainly curious | 11:47 |
| zioproto | oneswig: in the NREN context federated out came much earlier than Openstack and it is used for many other services | 11:47 |
| zioproto | s/federated out/federated auth/ | 11:47 |
| oneswig | EduGAIN? | 11:47 |
| zioproto | oneswig: yes | 11:47 |
| b1airo | Shibboleth has been around quite a while now, for example | 11:48 |
| martial | I understand we have two more topics to cover in the next few minutes (OpenStack Days London + SC17 notes), so I am going to see if we can move on to the next topic at 50 | 11:48 |
| oneswig | OK - thanks martial. enolfc - I'm sure you can find diversity in the case studies? There are others that might also work - SNIC in Sweden, the Finnish one, for example | 11:49 |
| oneswig | We just like to see good coverage. | 11:49 |
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| oneswig | OK, final comments? | 11:50 |
| oneswig | lets move on | 11:50 |
| martial | if you have more comments on the book chapter, please refer to the ehterpad at | 11:50 |
| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 11:50 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:50 |
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| oneswig | London OpenStack | 11:50 |
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| oneswig | coming up on the September 26th and we have a WG session, arranged to be lightning talks | 11:51 |
| oneswig | For those that will be going - lets have a short talk from you on something interesting going on where you are! | 11:51 |
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| enolfc_ | had a network glitch... not sure my last message was sent, but I will contact people and let you know | 11:52 |
| oneswig | OK, thanks enolfc_ | 11:52 |
| oneswig | I will ask around for an "incentive" for good talks | 11:53 |
| verdurin | oneswig: I could talk about what I plan to do where I will be next? Still sketchy, though... | 11:53 |
| oneswig | verdurin: Your last talk was largely in the past tense, why not? | 11:54 |
| verdurin | Hopefully there will be others talking in a more stable situation | 11:55 |
| oneswig | The other item was SC - martial would you like to update on last week? | 11:55 |
| martial | stig:sure | 11:55 |
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| b1airo | ooh goodie - i haven't read last week's logs yet | 11:56 |
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| martial | basically Mike Lowe mentioned that "<jmlowe> I have the green light for a round of lightning talks in the IU booth just like last year" | 11:56 |
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| martial | "<jmlowe> I'll have 1 to 1.5 hours, so divide by volunteers and..." | 11:56 |
| b1airo | ah dang, i think i knew that already *deflated* :-) | 11:56 |
| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SWG-SC17 | 11:57 |
| martial | that is the working document, we will need to coordinate with Mike next week, but is gauging interest | 11:57 |
| oneswig | b1airo: are you going? Given you're barely travelling the week before... | 11:57 |
| b1airo | maybe by then i will have a talk on "what workloads not to virtualise" :-) | 11:58 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: ooh, interesting, based on what? | 11:58 |
| b1airo | yes i'll be there oneswig | 11:58 |
| verdurin | Reasonable chance I'll be there | 11:58 |
| b1airo | based on when we see THP defrag going mental | 11:58 |
| oneswig | b1airo: ah, that | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Final comments anyone? | 11:59 |
| oneswig | b1airo: does it do that for CryoEM? | 11:59 |
| zioproto | it is the same dates as Sydney ? | 11:59 |
| oneswig | week after | 11:59 |
| b1airo | yeah, my analysis of that stalled, but also the incidence of *known* occurrences has dropped off sharply since we started aggressively dropping caches | 12:00 |
| martial | Nov 12-17 I think | 12:00 |
| verdurin | Yes | 12:00 |
| martial | #link http://sc17.supercomputing.org/ | 12:00 |
| b1airo | but i will go back and get more data | 12:00 |
| oneswig | OK, we are out of time, alas. | 12:00 |
| b1airo | really want to know why having used page cache makes the VMM stupid | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks everyone, got to close | 12:01 |
| verdurin | Bye | 12:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 30 12:01:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-30-11.01.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-30-11.01.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-30-11.01.log.html | 12:01 |
| priteau | Bye all | 12:01 |
| enolfc_ | bye | 12:01 |
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| martial | another good meeting :) | 12:02 |
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| b1airo | not sure how to make a thumbs up single line ascii martial , but yep - catch you later | 12:03 |
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| nseyvet_op5 | Hello, anyone here for monasca meeting? | 13:04 |
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| witek | #startmeeting Monasca Team Meeting | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 14:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca_team_meeting' | 14:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:01 |
| witek | hello | 14:01 |
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| cbellucci | o/ | 14:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 14:01 |
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| witek | hi shinya_kwbt | 14:01 |
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| shinya_kwbt | hi, It's been a long time. | 14:02 |
| nseyvet_op5 | hello | 14:02 |
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| witek | I'll try to moderate this time | 14:03 |
| witek | the agenda is pretty light | 14:03 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
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| witek | #topic Specifications repository | 14:03 |
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| sc | hi | 14:03 |
| witek | I would like to propose adding monasca-specs repository | 14:04 |
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| witek | previously we had blueprints in Launchpad to describe new feature requests | 14:04 |
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| witek | the problem with blueprints was that it was not easy to review and work together on them | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | would this follow what has been done on other projects | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | such as https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs | 14:05 |
| witek | many projects use specs repositories for that reason | 14:05 |
| witek | yes, most of projects do that | 14:06 |
| witek | the specs are then published to specs.openstack.org | 14:06 |
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| sc | I like the idea, I never liked launchpad | 14:07 |
| witek | in that case http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/ | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | sounds like a good improvement | 14:07 |
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| witek | as you can see it's also a place to hold project priorities for development | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | +1 | 14:08 |
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| shinya_kwbt | +1 | 14:08 |
| sc | +1 | 14:08 |
| witek | great | 14:08 |
| witek | I'll start and create the repo then | 14:09 |
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| witek | good to see that you like the idea | 14:09 |
| nseyvet_op5 | +1 | 14:10 |
| witek | in the process of preparing for that I have prepared Contributor Guide | 14:10 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/498804 | 14:10 |
| witek | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/04/498804/4/check/gate-monasca-api-docs-ubuntu-xenial/715a60c//doc/build/html/contributor/index.html | 14:11 |
| witek | it describes shortly which tools we use for bug tracking and new features | 14:12 |
| witek | it will end up here https://docs.openstack.org/monasca-api/latest/contributor/index.html | 14:12 |
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| witek | #topic Open Stage | 14:13 |
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| witek | are there any other topics for today? | 14:13 |
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| rhochmuth | mid-cycle prep | 14:14 |
| nseyvet_op5 | Pike release | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | gridDB, cassandra update? | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | grafana discussion | 14:14 |
| witek | #topic mid-cycle | 14:14 |
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| sc | the idea of using gnocchi as TSDB? | 14:14 |
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| witek | the agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca_queens_midcycle | 14:15 |
| witek | there is still a lot of place | 14:15 |
| witek | so feel free to add topics | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | thx witek | 14:17 |
| witek | Pike has been officially release today | 14:17 |
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| rhochmuth | cool | 14:17 |
| witek | it takes the last tags from the stable/pike branch | 14:17 |
| witek | #topic TSDB | 14:18 |
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| witek | where should we start? | 14:19 |
| witek | :) | 14:19 |
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| witek | GridDB, akiraY provides new patchsets | 14:20 |
| witek | do we want to try this out? | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | It would be nice to know performance on a three node cluster | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | to compare against other DBs | 14:21 |
| witek | yes, the resources in internet come down to one benchmark | 14:21 |
| rhochmuth | one and three nodes has been the platform we've used for influxb and cassandra compares so far | 14:22 |
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| nseyvet_op5 | there is a large patch set to review for GridDB. | 14:23 |
| nseyvet_op5 | how do you feel about that? | 14:23 |
| witek | it would be nice to collect a list of requirements or criteria based on which we judge | 14:23 |
| shinya_kwbt | akiraY said he(NEC) doesn't have 3 node cluster which have 256GB RAM. | 14:23 |
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| jgu | +1 on "it would be nice to collect a list of requirements or criteria based on which we judge" and even shared performance testing scripts | 14:25 |
| nseyvet_op5 | we plan an AWS based test for Influx (both single instance and enterprise), so +1 on list of requirements | 14:26 |
| sc | if you have an idea of the hardware requirements and the test process I can see what it's available in our lab, I don't promise nothing but to try | 14:26 |
| witek | sc: that would be great | 14:28 |
| nseyvet_op5 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cassandra_monasca under Hardware Requirements | 14:28 |
| nseyvet_op5 | Entry scale (TBD) Mid Scale (TBD) Carrier Grade Minimum 3 baremetal nodes each node: 256 GB RAM minimum Two SSDS: commit log disk 256GB; data disk: 2TB Dedicated VLAN for the replication data link, 10 gb | 14:28 |
| nseyvet_op5 | Is this correct witek? | 14:28 |
| nseyvet_op5 | It could be interesting to first define what is "Entry scale" and "Mid Scale"? | 14:29 |
| witek | I guess jgu has used smaller system for tests | 14:29 |
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| witek | and also, I think it's more important to define the test load and not hardware | 14:30 |
| jgu | nseyvet: I've changed down to one ssd. | 14:30 |
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| jgu | yes I think it's important to specify the test load benchmark first | 14:30 |
| nseyvet_op5 | Sounds fair | 14:31 |
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| witek | shinya_kwbt, jgu, nseyvet_op5 is that something you could work on together? | 14:32 |
| shinya_kwbt | I will review patchset, cause I have no benchmark resources. | 14:33 |
| witek | I mean specifying the test load and judgement criteria | 14:33 |
| jgu | sure | 14:33 |
| nseyvet_op5 | sure | 14:33 |
| shinya_kwbt | Oh Sorry I'm not specialist for benchmark I could not advice. | 14:34 |
| witek | and akiraY? | 14:34 |
| shinya_kwbt | I guess akiraY isn't there today. | 14:36 |
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| witek | jgu: do you have any update on Cassandra? | 14:37 |
| shinya_kwbt | He and mine office are different | 14:37 |
| witek | shinya_kwbt: oh, I see, I'll contact him | 14:37 |
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| jgu | we'got some good news... the write performance # is better after we switched the use of SSD from data to commit log. The latest # is updated on the etherpad. | 14:38 |
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| jgu | we will send a patch for the devstack cassandra deployment and Java persister for review soon (hopefully next week) | 14:40 |
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| nseyvet_op5 | So, the Java persister remains the benchmark component. Correct? | 14:40 |
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| witek | jgu: I know the performance is better for Java, but I think we need Python implementation as well | 14:42 |
| jgu | our plan is to also deliver a python driver for Cassandra. | 14:42 |
| witek | nseyvet_op5: I guess it's fair to test Cassandra with Java, although not optimal | 14:42 |
| jgu | api will only have the python version | 14:42 |
| witek | jgu: thanks | 14:43 |
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| jgu | Python version could work for small deployment. | 14:44 |
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| witek | having two implementations is additional maintenance effort | 14:45 |
| witek | but I guess we have to live with it | 14:45 |
| jgu | yes I am feeling that pain right now :-=) | 14:45 |
| witek | Julien Danjou from Gnocchi project has suggested using their TSDB | 14:46 |
| nseyvet_op5 | what is the push for having two implementations? | 14:46 |
| rhochmuth | might as well throw this one in too, https://www.timescale.com/ | 14:47 |
| witek | nseyvet_op5: all OpenStack infrastructure is optimized for Python | 14:47 |
| witek | and we wanted to deprecate Java | 14:47 |
| rhochmuth | so, does anyone have any performance info on gnocchi? | 14:47 |
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| witek | in the mailing list they have cited two benchmarks | 14:48 |
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| witek | https://julien.danjou.info/blog/2015/gnocchi-benchmarks | 14:49 |
| witek | https://www.slideshare.net/GordonChung/gnocchi-v3/18 | 14:49 |
| nseyvet_op5 | I will throw in RiakTS | 14:49 |
| witek | TimeScale is really interesting, based on Postgres | 14:50 |
| witek | but they don't have clustering | 14:51 |
| witek | correct? | 14:51 |
| rhochmuth | not yet as far as i know | 14:51 |
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| rhochmuth | reading the gnocchi benchmark i wonder what a batch is | 14:52 |
| rhochmuth | is a batch a batch of the same metric | 14:52 |
| rhochmuth | as in cpu utilization for host 1 at various time samples | 14:52 |
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| rhochmuth | or is a batch a set of metrics for different hosts/resources at a single time sample | 14:52 |
| rhochmuth | it has been a while since i've looked into this | 14:53 |
| witek | I don't know, only the second case would make sense for us | 14:53 |
| rhochmuth | but they way we do benchmarking is with the latter | 14:53 |
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| rhochmuth | right | 14:53 |
| rhochmuth | unless there was an intermediary in-memory representation (clustered and fault-tolernat) that could buffer the data temporarily until it is flushed and persisted to disk | 14:54 |
| witek | nseyvet_op5: did you run some tests with RiakTS? | 14:54 |
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| nseyvet_op5 | No I have not used RiakTS. It is conceptually a solid DB. | 14:55 |
| nseyvet_op5 | It scales and is open source | 14:55 |
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| nseyvet_op5 | there are benchmarks available online for it | 14:56 |
| witek | we will have to wrap up soon | 14:56 |
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| witek | nseyvet_op5 jgu would you create the document for the testing reference? | 14:56 |
| witek | preferably rst, so we can put it to the new spec repo :) | 14:57 |
| nseyvet_op5 | jgu could u start and then share? | 14:57 |
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| jgu | witek: sure | 14:57 |
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| witek | great thanks | 14:57 |
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| witek | next week I will be in vacation | 14:58 |
| witek | last week of school holidays | 14:58 |
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| witek | I have to close the meeting | 14:59 |
| rhochmuth | thx witek, bye-bye | 14:59 |
| witek | thank you everyone | 14:59 |
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| witek | thanks rhochmuth | 14:59 |
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| witek | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| jgu | thanks Witek | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 30 14:59:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca_team_meeting/2017/monasca_team_meeting.2017-08-30-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca_team_meeting/2017/monasca_team_meeting.2017-08-30-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca_team_meeting/2017/monasca_team_meeting.2017-08-30-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 15:00:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | Hi guys, | 15:01 |
| dsantoro | hi | 15:01 |
| parus | Hello | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair parus | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ parus | 15:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | parus I just added you as chair | 15:01 |
| dpertin | hi | 15:02 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | hi kgiusti | 15:02 |
| kgiusti | hi | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | let's wait one minute more | 15:02 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:03 |
| msimonin1 | o/ | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massivfbely_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 (line 1059) | 15:03 |
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| msimonin | o/ (get my nick bacl ) | 15:04 |
| georgk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 | 15:04 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:04 |
| georgk | there was a typo | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's start | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | First of all, like probably a few of us, I was on vacations last time so I'm not sure whether there is an important point to discuu | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | discuss | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | please go through the agenda and feel free to add something (I may have forgotten something). | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic announcements | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | From our side, | 15:07 |
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| parus | Welcome back! Good to have you here. | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | the EnOS presentation has been selected and I just saw that the parus' one too | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | Excellent ! | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | Moreover I receive an email regarding our needs for our F2F in Sydney | 15:08 |
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| ad_rien_ | Could you please add your name to see who is planning to attend the summit in Australia | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | (see line 1115) | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | from my side it is still not sure but dpertin will replace me in case of | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | the second point is related to Ericsson Sweden that contacted us | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | They will be present at SF and they want to take part to some activities. | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | they cannot attend this meeting but will be present next time | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | and that's all from my side. | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | so the floors is yours | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's go on | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic previousaction items | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | so who starts ? | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | :D | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | Because I was absent I will be pleased to know a bit more about all those actions | 15:13 |
| msimonin | AMQP ? | 15:13 |
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| kgiusti | yes - msimonin has done great work on the testplan | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | I just want to go through the pending action first ;) | 15:13 |
| parus | I had action to dive into details of use case presentation. | 15:13 |
| kgiusti | np | 15:13 |
| msimonin | hey kgiusti thanks :) | 15:13 |
| kgiusti | well deserved! | 15:14 |
| parus | There was progress and slides have been updated. But action is not complete. | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: will samP announce the next meeting? it would be nice if we can define the agenda in a more collaborative way and announce sometime from our side sometime from yours | 15:14 |
| parus | we can talk about it when we get to use cases | 15:14 |
| jamemcc | line 1082 - this came from talk that SamP gve about the LCOO Extreme Testing effort | 15:14 |
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| jamemcc | Sorry - it was in fact earlier today their weekly meeting | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | ok .. | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | my bad | 15:15 |
| jamemcc | Next session is to be held in the PTG next week | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | I though he was the parus colleague | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:15 |
| parus | no pb. | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: to work on Control Plane use-case ? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: do you have something to share? | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | Is anyone else here going to be at PTG? | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | I'm not | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | Sorry - I did not work on control plane user stories yet | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: no problem just to put it in the pedning actions | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok I think that's ok | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | other actions have been commented in the pad. thanks | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's move to the next topic in the agenda | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic on-going activities | 15:17 |
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| kgiusti | AMQP! | 15:17 |
| jamemcc | SO the following meeting for Extreme Testing will be before this meeting in 2 weeks. I will get the UTC times and WebEx to join and add it to the agenda. And will work with SamP to announce it in the ML and tag to both LCOO and FEMDC | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | so msimonin kgiusti ansmith the floor is yours | 15:18 |
| parus | jamecc: thank you! | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | I'll take ombt and driver status | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: ACK thanks | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | ombt - now that msimonin et al have started to define test metrics | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | ombt will need a few tweaks (issues recorded in epad) | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | to gather the proper metrics | 15:18 |
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| kgiusti | drivers (non-rabbit): still failing nova-related tests | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | due to vhost support. Fix in progress (see epad 1104) | 15:19 |
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| kgiusti | and thats pretty much it on those topics. ansmith msimonin? | 15:19 |
| msimonin | Currently we are iterating on a test plan | 15:20 |
| msimonin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491818 | 15:20 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: helps a lot to formalize it :) | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: +1 | 15:21 |
| msimonin | so we are now on the resilience part | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | Thanks guys …. this looks really good | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm just seeing the proposal on gerrit | 15:21 |
| msimonin | so there will be a new version soon | 15:21 |
| msimonin | The idea after this is to instanciate this test plan using qpidd/rabbit … | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | ok great | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | Is the performance WG taking part to this work? | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | I see only people from FEMDC team? | 15:23 |
| kgiusti | still marked work in progress | 15:23 |
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| msimonin | There might be reviewed by some people | 15:23 |
| msimonin | once ready :) | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:23 |
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| parus | msimonin: I am a little confused with the review linke you shared. What is the link to the latest version of the test plan? I would like to read again. | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | will be nice to see other folks interested by these evaluations | 15:23 |
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| msimonin | parus: in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491818 you can see the file modified, if you click on one of them you'll be able to see it | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | anything else regarding AMQP? | 15:25 |
| parus | msimonin: Thanks. I will figure it out. | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe we can add that we found our engineer at Inria | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | that will work on that starting from October | 15:26 |
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| kgiusti | +1 | 15:26 |
| msimonin | +1 | 15:26 |
| ansmith | +1 | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's go | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau: news regarding coackroach ? | 15:26 |
| rcherrueau | Yep, big news | 15:26 |
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| ad_rien_ | s/…./cockroach | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | please | 15:27 |
| rcherrueau | We have a POC of Keystone over CockroachDB | 15:27 |
| rcherrueau | #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/openstack-cockroachdb-dev | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | from the agenda I'm seeing in this devstack-based | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | any chance to test it with EnOS ? | 15:27 |
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| rcherrueau | The github project consist in a VAgrant file that spawns a VM with a CockroachDB and then installs keystone with Devstack | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:28 |
| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: Yes, don't worry | 15:28 |
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| rcherrueau | We first go with devstack because devstack makes things easier when you have to update the code. | 15:29 |
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| rcherrueau | We have to tweak few things | 15:29 |
| rcherrueau | One file in Oslo.db and another one in keystone | 15:29 |
| rcherrueau | I don't know if we have the time for details? | 15:30 |
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| ad_rien_ | so first of all thanks guys | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | I should take more vacations because you look to be more efficient when I'm out ;) | 15:31 |
| msimonin | LOL | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | :) | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | the work is excellent | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | this is really awesome, in just two months | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | congrats | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | so then some technical questions: what will be the work to be able to test it with EnoS | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_ | (i.e. switching from devstack to openstack vanilla) | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | Actually, both OpenStack and CockroachDB are well engineered, so it wasn't so difficult | 15:32 |
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| rcherrueau | My intern already looked into that and it's easy | 15:33 |
| msimonin | Maybe we should also gather use cases of using such a distributed backend | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | Is the process of switching from devstack to enos documented ? | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | if not it would be great | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | it would be one more valuable thing you can do with enos | 15:33 |
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| msimonin | There are multi region deployment that can benefit from it (just a guess) | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 msimonin | 15:33 |
| rcherrueau | we just have to containerized our modified keystone and oslo.db and then everything should *almost* work with enos | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | ok let's complete the note in the agenda | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action identify possible use-cases for keystone/cockroach DB | 15:34 |
| msimonin | (maybe qpid + cockroach will lead to get rid of the cells) not saying it too loud | 15:34 |
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| ad_rien_ | msimonin: :-P | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: tell that to the nova folks ;) | 15:35 |
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| ad_rien_ | actually people will continue to use cells to segregate the cluster instead of using the host aggregate capability ;) | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's be serious | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau: anything else? | 15:36 |
| rcherrueau | I would add that it's just a POC right now, so everything works (we pass rally tests) but I don't know about performances | 15:36 |
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| rcherrueau | especially, CockroachDB manage transactions without lock | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action evaluate performance impact of cockroach backend | 15:37 |
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| rcherrueau | this leads to lot of contention in case of concurrency | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | hmmm this point should be clarified | 15:39 |
| rcherrueau | In case of conflict, the client has to replay the request | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | It looks to be important | 15:39 |
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| parus | do we have a plan to expand cockroach to other db (not just keystone)? | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes found budgets to hire people | 15:39 |
| rcherrueau | So CockroachDB offers mechanism to handle that properly. But implementing these mechanisms in oslo.db would be more difficult | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | or find an organisation that is interested by doing that ;) | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | s/found/find | 15:40 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | let's move to the third point | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | use-cases | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: ? | 15:41 |
| parus | Thanks. As I mentionned before my deck was updated. | 15:41 |
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| parus | I am hoping for some other eyes to take a look and provide input. | 15:42 |
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| ad_rien_ | I will before the opendev event. you can count on me | 15:42 |
| parus | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sBczuC2Wu1d_misBmPahLPdvyhOI4QuVy129EHunuUM/edit#slide=id.p | 15:42 |
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| parus | About way forward. | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | #action ad_rien_ watch the parus updates on use-case slides | 15:42 |
| msimonin | parus: have you looked at the P2P option ? | 15:43 |
| parus | P2P? | 15:43 |
| msimonin | slide 10 | 15:43 |
| jamemcc | Seems to me this should be presented at the OPENDEV with request to get more reviewers and collaborators | 15:43 |
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| jamemcc | I know emphasis on OPENDEV is past use cases and on to solutions but still is good to anchor in use cases. | 15:44 |
| parus | msimonin: I looked at the presentation you mentionned. Do you have any contact with these folks that they could provide more details? | 15:44 |
| parus | msimonin: at least we should set-up to meet them in Sydney | 15:45 |
| msimonin | parus: this would be great :) | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: these are the guys from Ericsson | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | see line 1082 | 15:46 |
| parus | ah! | 15:46 |
| msimonin | ah! | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | :-) | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | funny meeting today | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | lot of fun | 15:46 |
| parus | So we will hear from them next week. It would be great if they could comment before next week. | 15:46 |
| parus | (or week after next) | 15:46 |
| parus | jamecc: Do you have more details on what to expect at OpenDev? I would be happy to present some of this. | 15:47 |
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| parus | Who can hook me up? jamecc? ad_rien_? | 15:48 |
| parus | The third thing I would like to discuss is how to test some of these use cases. | 15:48 |
| jamemcc | I do not. Where I was thinkinking this was going was that you or Adrien as Chairs would reach out to Foundation staff involved in the event and look for the cross collaboration | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | parus: as mentioned Ericsson folks should take part to our meeting from mid of september | 15:49 |
| ildikov | parus: OpenDev is a work event to understand the Edge Computing related use cases and what they demand better and to start to take the next steps towards solutions | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | from what I know they are currently writtng a white paper. I exchanged a couple of emails. | 15:50 |
| ildikov | parus: also for connecting the different organizations and people who're looking into addressing these use cases and to encourage collaboration onwards | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | I can send one more and put you in CC parus if you want to | 15:50 |
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| parus | ad_rien: please do! | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | so 10 minutes before the end of the meeting | 15:51 |
| parus | I would like to propose try to text some of the control plane use cases (e.e.g Commissioning of an edge node) and try to make some sequence diagrams | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: do you want to elaborate a bit more on the third point ? | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 too | 15:51 |
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| parus | could we use osp_profiler, maybe on the use case from dsantoro and get a trace? | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | if we can run the use-case with enos you can do what you want ;) | 15:52 |
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| dsantoro | Ok so Let me quickly share status from our side | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | and AFAIK, the use-case is ok with enos | 15:53 |
| msimonin | dsantoro: +1 :) | 15:53 |
| dsantoro | As specified in the agenda we have updated our slides following ad_rien_ suggestion about i) k8s on top of OS motivation (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FLCjUx1xiQxRcgTG78vg255g6N2RRp8_W0B0Sz0bJH8/edit#slide=id.g2351d4feef_0_0) and ii) better emphasis on the network connection between edge and cloud | 15:53 |
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| dsantoro | Due to the Holidays period we did not progress too much on the use-case side but thanks to msimonin Daniele Pizzolli (in CC) completed successfully the EnOS installation on our testbed | 15:53 |
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| dsantoro | I am setting up another testbed | 15:53 |
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| dsantoro | based on Kubernetes and OpenStack connected with real cameras | 15:54 |
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| dsantoro | We count to have more information to share and discuss with you by the mid of September | 15:54 |
| dsantoro | Currently EnOS is installed but we did not have much time to play with it | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | dsantoro: just to avoid possible missunderstandings. No one from FBK will attend the opendev event? | 15:54 |
| dsantoro | and dancn who is carrying that activity is on holiday this week | 15:55 |
| msimonin | dsantoro: let's keep in touch | 15:55 |
| dsantoro | I confirm no one unfortunately | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | dsantoro: if you want to visit us, you can ;) | 15:55 |
| parus | dsantoro: thanks! this sounds great. | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | I already mentioned but it is good to remind ;) | 15:55 |
| msimonin | dsantoro: would be nice to know more about your testbeds actually | 15:55 |
| parus | I would be happy to participate, if we set-up some sort of a session like that. | 15:56 |
| dsantoro | @ad_rien_: thanks we could discuss to plan a visit during next weeks | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | 4 min left | 15:56 |
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| parus | I yield | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | we should switch to the open discusisons. | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: nothing important regarding the use-cases ? | 15:57 |
| parus | all good for now. | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | can you please add some notes regarding what we discussed in the pad? | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic open discussions | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | regarding the first point. | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | as mentioned I have been in touch with Ericsson folks. We can invite them to make a webconf to present their work. | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | People interested by that please add your name/email line 1130 | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | regarding the pending actions, from my side I didn't make any progress | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | but I keep in mind I have too | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | 1 min left ? | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | does anyone want to highlight something? | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | if not. Thanks guys for attending the meeting | 15:59 |
| dsantoro | @msimonin: Sure let me talk with dancn and we can setup a call maybe next week or the next one to show what we did with our testbeds | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | ok time to end | 16:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 30 16:00:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-08-30-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-08-30-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| msimonin | dsantoro: ack, cool :) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-08-30-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 16:00:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| Swanson | Hello. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Woot woot | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy viks ketonne abishop | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | sivn | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Oh, ptlboyj is running the show! | 16:00 |
| * smcginnis grabs a beverage and sits back | 16:00 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hello | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hey now smcginnis be nice this time. :-p | 16:01 |
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| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
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| ildikov | smcginnis: no popcorn? :) | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Oooh, if he does he needs to share. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Hah, we'll see if it's popcorn worthy. | 16:01 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:01 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: fair enough :) | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | It is a short agenda. Hopefully not popcorn worthy. | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:01 |
| bswartz | I'm guessing it's an adult beverage | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT! | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Duncan!!!!!!!!! | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Just a little too early by my standards for that. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Only a little though. :D | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | Popcorn? I bought these rotten tomatoes | 16:02 |
| bswartz | it's noon on the east coast... | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: After 5 somewhere... | 16:02 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: 6pm here :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:03 |
| e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I don't want him to feel left out, so... | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | scottda!! | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so lets get started. | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | So, RC2 went out for Cinder as the Pike release! | 16:03 |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2017-August/002009.html | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Lots of work went into the release and I just wanted to say a note of gratitude for all the work that went into it. I know there have been changes in job situation and responsibilities during the release. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | We, however, continued to work as a team and kept making progress. Thank you! | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | bswartz: Thanks. | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu | cheers | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks for being our fearless leader through that and the 3 previous releases. | 16:05 |
| * jungleboyj claps for smcginnis :-) | 16:06 | |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Here's to new leadership! :) | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | And thank you also team for trusting me to lead us into Queens. I will try not to let you all down. | 16:06 |
| lhx__ | o/ | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | I am excited to give this a shot and think there are good things to come for Cinder and OpenStack. | 16:07 |
| bswartz | +1 for peaceful transitions of power | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Indeed. smcginnis and I have been joking about that. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | I won't be firing any missiles at the Twin Cities. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Unlike those dictatorships where the PTL just won't step aside. (jk) | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | ooooh! Shots Fired! | 16:08 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, moving on. | 16:08 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Enough with all the touchy feelies ;) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I have a work item to look at the specs review tracking: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I will work to get that update before the PTG. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I evolved that from what scottda started, so feel free to make it into whatever works for you. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | We will continue to use that, however, as it seems to have worked in the past. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Sounds good. I don't see a reason to stop using that. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | #action Jay to bring spec-review-tracking up to date for Pike. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | The usual reminder to please add topics to the PTG etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-queens | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | We have a good list in there. I am going to get the topics organized before our next meeting. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Also going to make sure that we have cross project topics for 9 to noon on Thursday as that is when we are meeting with Nova. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Hopefully everyone is registered and put their attendance in the etherpad: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-33219389087 | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | If not there is the link for the registration again. :-) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-33219389087 | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Last announcement is that we need to do a cinderclient release today now that Pike is out. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Any lingering patches or concerns that need to be addressed before I do that? | 16:13 |
| * jungleboyj hears crickets | 16:13 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Neither of those links are the ptg etherpad link? | 16:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | They are both registration? | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Oh, I have something ptg related. | 16:14 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: as far as I know we're good on the client side | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | I included the PTG Etherpad above it. | 16:14 |
| tommylikehu | diablo_rojo_phon: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-queens | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-queens | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | ^^^ Queens etherpad. | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | If you haven't registered, do so by Friday before the 50$ price hike. | 16:14 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Got it. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Ah, good to know. Thanks diablo_rojo_phon | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | You can technically register there but the price goes up a week out. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Great. I will cut the client later today then. | 16:15 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: jgriffith approved the last fix two days ago and nothing client related came up since then I know of we would need right now | 16:15 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: sounds great, thanks | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Welcome. Thanks for all the continued work there. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else for announcements or can we move on? | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Doc team needs help with Install Guide testing | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/121482.html | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | So, the doc team is seeking help with testing the install guide as they no longer have the resources to do it as a doc team. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | So, they are asking for help from the projects. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Announcing it here to see if there is anyone who would be willing to help out with that effort. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | One of those things I've wanted to do, but just can't get it to the top of the todo list. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | New things keep taking priority. | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, I have a feeling that that is the case for many people. | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | What would the team think of working through that during the PTG if there is time? | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | Might be a good Friday activity. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | As we have a new focus on documentation it might be worth looking at together. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | Or ealier depending on how things work out. | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | smcginnis: +1 for Friday | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Exactly what I was thinking. I wonder how many of us even know what all is in there. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so we have at least three of us ok with that idea. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | I would guess that number is low. | 16:20 |
| lhx__ | any statistics from OpenStack official? | 16:20 |
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| e0ne | it depends on how many of us will be at PTG on Friday | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to add looking at the install guide to the PTG agenda. Work on it Friday or earlier if time allows. | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to take initial first look to see how we can best use the time. | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Good question. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Who will not be there Friday? | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Of those planning to go ... | 16:21 |
| e0ne | unfortunately, I have a flight at 2pm on Friday:( | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok, so you will be there a bit in the morning. | 16:22 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: not sure yet, TBH | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I actually have to leave early Friday so I won't be around. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | I leave later Friday afternoon. | 16:23 |
| e0ne | but I'll be there Mon-Thu for sure | 16:23 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | But I can work on stuff in the airport. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I leave late afternoon. | 16:23 |
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| e0ne | diablo_rojo_phon: did we book some meeting room in the airport? :) | 16:23 |
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| lhx__ | lol | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | lhx__: What was your question on statistics ? | 16:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | @eOne Haha no, but I can get into the Delta sky lounge for free now I think. | 16:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Lol slack.. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | So, I will add this to the PTG agenda and we will do what we can to get to it. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | If we can at least look at it and plan out some work we don't necessarily all have to be in the same room. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else on this? | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Good plan. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic cross project meeting with Kolla team . | 16:26 |
| lhx__ | jungleboyj, I mean the number of people that will attend PTG, supposing everyone is here from Mon to Fri :) | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | lhx__: Oh, everyone should have their info in the etherpad if they are planning to attend. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | So, one of my co-workers and I have been doing more work with containerizing Cinder. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | We have discovered that the Kolla team knows little about Cinder and I, at least, know little boy Kolla. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | So, we thought it might be useful to use some of the cross project time on Monday afternoon to get members of both teams together. | 16:28 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: it's great! I can help in testing a bit, but I won't have a time to contribute for this activity a lot | 16:28 |
| lhx__ | jungleboyj, that maybe include everyone that will attend if someone didn't join in our weekly meeting, right? | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: diablo_rojo_phon e0ne ^^^ thought you would especially be interested. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I got a lot of feedback from operators at their midcycle that they are using or planning to use kolla as their deployment model. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | lhx__: It should. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That is good to know. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | lhx__: I could send a note to the ML and make sure that virtual attendees are also listed. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | lhx__: If they read the meeting notes they've hopefully added their name, but it is likely there will be more than what is listed there. | 16:29 |
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| lhx__ | cool :D | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: That sounds good. Will you be around on Monday? | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | So, that was all I had on that topic. Rich Wellum started discussion on the ML. He is going to coordinate. | 16:31 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I'm going to attend horizon sessions too, but I think I can to manage to attend Kolla+Cinder meetup too | 16:31 |
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| jungleboyj | I will have an update when we have the details ironed out. | 16:31 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: we need to clarify what time will it be | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok good. I am going to be in the doc meetings on Monday, Tuesday as well. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Right, working that right now. | 16:32 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: sound like a good plan | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:32 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: what about cinder+ironic session? | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: I haven't seen anything about one of those. | 16:33 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: it was in the same mail | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, yeah, I they are hoping to get ironic team members there as well. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Will be good to have all of us in the same room. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Not sure if Rich has heard from anyone there though. I will follow up. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Last topic is an important one. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/121607.html | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Cinder Team Outing | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I am assuming that everyone would like to do an outing as we have done in the past. | 16:35 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:35 |
| bswartz | +1 | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | Do people have a preference on day? | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? | 16:35 |
| bswartz | not friday | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Yeah, had assumed that. | 16:36 |
| e0ne | Thursday | 16:36 |
| lhx__ | outing for what？ | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Thursday might be the best. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Wednesday would be my second choice. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | lhx__: Drinks, food, fun. | 16:36 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Not wednesday | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Woo things Wednesday | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Couple of votes for Thursday. | 16:37 |
| lhx__ | jungleboyj, i'd love to ;) | 16:37 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Tuesday after the happy hour +Wednesday is my vote. | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: There is an organized happy hour Tuesday? | 16:37 |
| e0ne | diablo_rojo_phon: do we need to be registered for happy hour? | 16:38 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | There is. It's like an hour and a half. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: Ok cool. Like in Atlanta then ... | 16:38 |
| lhx__ | but the real question is what time of the day? | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Monday we get like ten 10% off in the hotel bar too. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Deals! | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Nice! | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Hope they have a good bar like the place in ATL. | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I hope a cocktail isn't 14$/each like in ATL | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so I am going to add a place in the etherpad to vote for the day and will send a note to the ML. Will decide based on what works best for people. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Will find someplace and make a reservation based on roughly how many people seem interested. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Everyone ok with that? | 16:40 |
| bswartz | y | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | #action add space to vote for best day to have Cinder outing in etherpad. | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | #open discussion | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Sounds like a plan. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | #topic open discussion | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | That was all on the agenda. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: diablo_rojo_phon Did you guys schedule a team photo time yet? | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Nope, left that up to you. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, guessed as much. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | Thinking after lunch Wednesday is maybe best? | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: Will that work for you? | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | ++ | 16:43 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | If it's open in the spreadsheet go for it. | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: Ok, I will check out the spreadsheet and schedule something for Wednesday afternoon. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Oh, ocata is now going into phase II support phase - critical and security only. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Anything from anyone else? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: We may want to land a few things sitting out there and do a final release before that. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh yeah, good note. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+branch:stable/ocata+status:open | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good call. I will look at those and then do a release later this week. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Just keep in mind "later this week" will need to be today or tomorrow since there are no releases on Friday. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | And I hear the new release PTL is a stickler for rules. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is he now? | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | I will have to talk to him. | 16:46 |
| tommylikehu | haha | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | I've also heard he's easily bribed. | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Now there is the guy I know. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:46 |
| * jungleboyj hands smcginnis a beer | 16:46 | |
| e0ne | are we going to create driverfixes/ocata branch? | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Good question. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What have we done there in the past? | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Good point, we can do that too with the "final" ocata release. | 16:47 |
| Swanson | No, make em upgrade. | 16:47 |
| e0ne | I think, it's reasonable once we'll go to phase II | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Still new enough that there's not a set pattern there, but with the transition to phase II that's probably a good time to create it. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Oh, just creating the branch. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I agree we should do that. | 16:48 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: great, thanks! | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thanks for mentioning it. | 16:48 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: you're welcome | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | eharney raised a good point there. We should probably make sure unit tests still pass to make that actually useful for distros to pull changes in. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | He may set up a non-voting job for those branches. | 16:49 |
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| eharney | the non-voting part of that is looking tricky | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That would be good. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: :-( | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I wondered about that since we don't have any other non-voting unit test jobs. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | Maybe just have it voting? | 16:49 |
| eharney | having it voting seems good to me | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | The idea was to just have these as basically a file share for driver changes, but as eharney pointed out, that can cause some issues for distros to actual use them. | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Seems like if unit test isn't passing we have a problem. | 16:50 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: yes, and, we do | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | We do have a problem? | 16:51 |
| eharney | yes, unit tests (if you run them) on driverfixes branches are broken, currently | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | *sadness* | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | Should we try to fix that? | 16:52 |
| e0ne | :( | 16:52 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: at lease, we can try if | 16:52 |
| eharney | i'll be poking at fixing it if people are willing to land changes etc | 16:52 |
| eharney | because i intend to do that kinda thing downstream anyway so i can run unit tests | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Yep, I watch those patches and will support getting those through. | 16:52 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: +1 | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so I think we are in agreement we should fix up the existing driver fixes branch, cut the ocata one and work on getting a voting UT job in place. | 16:54 |
| e0ne | 5 mins reminder | 16:55 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thanks. | 16:55 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | I think we are wrapping up. | 16:55 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: np | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else from anyone? | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | 3 ... 2 ... 1 .... | 16:56 |
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| e0ne | see you next week! | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, thank you all for a good first meeting for me. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 16:56 |
| lhx__ | thanks | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks for your work on Cinder. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | See you all same time, same place next week. | 16:57 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 30 16:57:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-30-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-30-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-30-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 17:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 17:00 |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 17:00 |
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| jniesz | hi | 17:00 |
| rm_mobile | o/ | 17:00 |
| JudeC | o/ | 17:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 17:00 |
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| johnsom | Pike has been released! | 17:01 |
| johnsom | #link https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/octavia/pike.html | 17:01 |
| johnsom | That said, the release was a bit bumpy, so.... | 17:01 |
| johnsom | Post-Pike release coming | 17:01 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498527/ | 17:01 |
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| johnsom | Basically there was some confusion on my part due to the switch to milestone releases and the release went out with bad diffs in the announce e-mails. | 17:02 |
| johnsom | So, in less than 24 hours we are doing a dot release to clean it all up. | 17:02 |
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| johnsom | Anyway, Thank you to all of you that contributed to Pike. We made a ton of progress, especially given our head winds.... | 17:03 |
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| johnsom | The new release will have the full diffs in the announce e-mail. | 17:04 |
| johnsom | Any questions about the Pike release? | 17:04 |
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| johnsom | The other announcement I have today is about the PTG. I will be setting up a tentative schedule with our discussion items today. | 17:05 |
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| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-ptg-queens | 17:05 |
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| johnsom | We will be announcing topics in the #openstack-ptg room and on the web schedule as well. | 17:06 |
| johnsom | Please make sure all of your topics are on there so we can set an appropriate schedule. | 17:06 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements today? | 17:06 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 17:07 |
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| johnsom | I have started work on cleaning up octavia-dashboard | 17:07 |
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| johnsom | I hope to have a version up in the next week or so that uses the octavia API as opposed to going through neutron | 17:08 |
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| johnsom | I have also opened a number of bugs against the dashboard so if someone is looking for a project: | 17:09 |
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| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=dashboard | 17:09 |
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| johnsom | Otherwise, we have a bunch of open patches that need reviews. | 17:10 |
| johnsom | In octavia, octavia-dashboard, python-octaviaclient, etc. | 17:11 |
| johnsom | Any other progress updates or priority bug reviews? | 17:11 |
| * johnsom wonders if there is an IRC net split and he is talking to himself.... | 17:11 | |
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| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 17:12 |
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| johnsom | Ok, other topics for today? | 17:12 |
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| rm_mobile | Lol | 17:14 |
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| rm_mobile | No I just fell asleep at my keyboard | 17:14 |
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| johnsom | Wow, ok... hahaha. I guess I'm that boring eh? | 17:14 |
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| rm_mobile | Early meeting is early | 17:15 |
| rm_mobile | *shrug* | 17:15 |
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| johnsom | Well, if we don't have anything more for today, we can end early and work on reviews.... | 17:15 |
| rm_mobile | \o/ | 17:16 |
| johnsom | Ok, thanks folks! | 17:16 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 17:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 30 17:16:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-08-30-17.00.html | 17:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-08-30-17.00.txt | 17:16 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 18:01:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
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| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info Congratulations on everyone who have worked hard to make Gluon Pike Release | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Gluon Pike Release is available https://github.com/openstack/gluon/tree/stable/pike | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Tagged 1.1.0 | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Major features in Gluon Pike Release are: | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info (1) Proton Version Management | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info (2) Authentication and Authorization / RBAC | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info (3) Move many hardcoded constants in configuration proton.conf | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info (4) and bug fixes | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info Thank you everyone | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #topic Planning for PoC in OpenStack Summit in Sydney | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | Hi Kamil, how are you? | 18:08 |
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| krenczewski | Hi Bin, great thanks | 18:08 |
| bh526r | glad you joined | 18:08 |
| bh526r | Do you have any feedback regarding the PoC? | 18:08 |
| krenczewski | Not really, Sukhdev is on vacation | 18:09 |
| bh526r | I see. | 18:09 |
| krenczewski | I was hoping that we can discuss some topics here | 18:09 |
| krenczewski | He will be back in two weeks if I remember vorrectly | 18:09 |
| bh526r | I see. Did you get a chance to read the document I shared with you, regarding the scenario? | 18:09 |
| krenczewski | Yes, I did | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | Yup, middle of September | 18:10 |
| bh526r | Any feedback on th scenario? | 18:10 |
| krenczewski | I have a question regarding creating L3VPN via Neutron | 18:10 |
| bh526r | sure | 18:10 |
| krenczewski | Do you have any proposal about this? | 18:10 |
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| krenczewski | I assume that normal scenario (with other SDNs) is done via etcd entries | 18:11 |
| krenczewski | But I am not sure how this could be done on with Neutron-Contrail calls | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | I am not familiar with how to create L3VPN via Neutron-Contrail calls, while in a proposal in the past, Nachi and Marco said they could. | 18:12 |
| krenczewski | Currently we have done great work to better integrate with neutron. New project is available here: https://launchpad.net/networking-opencontrail | 18:12 |
| bh526r | That's why in the document, I left it open for your team. | 18:13 |
| bh526r | I am aware of it. Is it the Mechanism Driver for Open Contrail to work with Neutron? | 18:13 |
| krenczewski | Previously what we did was to setup BGP peering, but AFAIK neutron don't have any stable API to do this | 18:13 |
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| krenczewski | Yes, it is a new mechanism driver (build on top of the old one) | 18:14 |
| bh526r | That's right, BGP peering between Contrail and ONOS, and ODL, VTS, Nuage etc. | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | Yes, the new Mechanism Driver will replace the old Monolithic Driver, as far as I know | 18:14 |
| krenczewski | Are you aware of this: https://docs.openstack.org/networking-bgpvpn/latest/ | 18:15 |
| bh526r | I assume the new mechanism driver is based on the mechanism driver code that you developed, right? | 18:15 |
| krenczewski | Right | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | Yes, I am aware of this BGPVPN. | 18:16 |
| bh526r | So the scenario will be: | 18:16 |
| bh526r | On Gluon side, we create L3VPN through 1+ SDN-Cs | 18:17 |
| bh526r | sai VPN Blue | 18:17 |
| bh526r | On Contrail side, you can create / join this VPN Blue | 18:18 |
| bh526r | Thus Contrail and other SDN-Cs will be able to share the same L3VPN (VPN Blue) | 18:18 |
| bh526r | So we need to know - if it is possible to achieve this in Neutron/Contrail side | 18:19 |
| krenczewski | Whe it will be possible to test this scenario? | 18:20 |
| krenczewski | Setting up BGP peering is not a problem for me, but I am not sure if this will be possible via Neutron | 18:21 |
| bh526r | We try to present this scenario in a PoC in early November in OpenStack Summit in Sydney | 18:22 |
| krenczewski | OK, but when do you plan to test it? | 18:23 |
| bh526r | We already know the backend BGP peering is working. So this step is to make sure that at API level, the setup can be done via Gluon APIs and Neutron APIs (because Contrail chooses Mechanism Driver route) | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | If Contrail supports Shim Layer via Gluon, you need to go via Neutron | 18:24 |
| bh526r | sorry I meant you don't need to go via Neutron | 18:25 |
| krenczewski | I think we need to stay with Neutron | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | That's fine, as long as you can achieve it via appropriate Neutron-Contrail calls | 18:28 |
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| krenczewski | But then on Neutron-Gluon side, does Gluon will think that resource is Gluon and don't pass it to Neutron? | 18:29 |
| bh526r | which resource? | 18:29 |
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| krenczewski | I was thinking about step 2 and step 3 from PoC document | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | Step 2 is to create an VPN object owned by Gluon. The key here is the RT value (1000:1000 in the example), which will be passed by Gluon to SDN-C via etcd | 18:32 |
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| krenczewski | I am not aware of similar API for Neutron | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | And I missed bgpeering API, but we also need to use bgppeering API to pass local_ip_address and peer_ip_address | 18:35 |
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| bh526r | so that SDN-C will be able to ping each other, and create the datapath | 18:35 |
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| bh526r | The step 3/step 4 will just create port which is also managed by Gluon | 18:36 |
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| krenczewski | right | 18:37 |
| bh526r | The step 5/6 to bind the port to VPN Blue with IP address in VPN Blue | 18:37 |
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| krenczewski | Yes, that is clear for me | 18:38 |
| bh526r | Therefore, in step 7/8 creates VMs with VPN port, meaning the VMs are in VPN Blue network, and they can communicate with each other | 18:38 |
| bh526r | in this VPN Blue | 18:39 |
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| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:39 |
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| bh526r | On Neutron side, equivalent thing should be for Neutron to pass the parameters (RT, local ip, peer ip) to Contrail so that Contrail can create the same data path for this VPN Blue | 18:40 |
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| krenczewski | And I understand that all the steps are executed by Gluon and information about them goes to etcd, so there is no way to pass it via Neutron | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | No information is passed to Neutron | 18:40 |
| bh526r | Thus we need the equivalent APIs in Neutron side to pass the same information (RT, loca ip and peer ip) to Contrail. Then Contrail can create data path with VPN Blue | 18:41 |
| krenczewski | So for Contrail we need additional calls to Neutron to setup VPN Blue | 18:41 |
| bh526r | That's right | 18:41 |
| krenczewski | OK, I will try to look into Neutron | 18:42 |
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| krenczewski | I also ask Sukhdev if he have something in mind about this. | 18:43 |
| bh526r | Maybe Nachi too when Sukhdev is on vacation | 18:43 |
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| krenczewski | I'll try with him also | 18:44 |
| bh526r | Great, thank you. | 18:44 |
| bh526r | The key here is the Neutron API that can pass those parameters | 18:44 |
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| bh526r | Let me know your input after you talk with Sukhdev/Nachi | 18:45 |
| krenczewski | OK | 18:46 |
| bh526r | Thank you | 18:46 |
| bh526r | #topic Planning for Gluon Queens and Beyond | 18:46 |
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| bh526r | As we discussed above, in order for Gluon to pass information to Neutron, we will consider to implement Gluon as Neutron service plugin | 18:48 |
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| bh526r | so that Gluon can reuse Neutron's DB, and store necessary information there. | 18:48 |
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| bh526r | This idea was discussed with Kevin in Boston, and we will discuss with Neutron team meeting in PTG, and look for feedback | 18:49 |
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| bh526r | #info (1) Refactor Gluon as Neutron Service Plugin - we will discuss it in Neutron PTG, and look for feedback | 18:52 |
| bh526r | #info (2) Alignment with etcd3 | 18:52 |
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| bh526r | #info (3) Improvement Shim Layer by removing hardcoded parts, and supports multiple models | 18:53 |
| bh526r | #info (4) and bug fixes | 18:54 |
| bh526r | Anything else everyone can think of? | 18:54 |
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| bh526r | How about you, Jin? | 18:56 |
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| bh526r | If nothing else, we can adjourn the meeting | 18:57 |
| bh526r | #info meeting adjourned | 18:57 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 30 18:57:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-08-30-18.01.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-08-30-18.01.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-08-30-18.01.log.html | 18:57 |
| krenczewski | Thanks, bye | 18:57 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone. Bye all | 18:57 |
| bh526r | Have a great night, Kamil | 18:57 |
| SotK | anyone around for the storyboard meeting? | 19:01 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 19:01:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 19:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 19:02 |
| SotK | still somewhat outdated, I'll make a note to actually update it after the meeting | 19:02 |
| Zara | that's my kind of agenda | 19:03 |
| SotK | there are again no announcements or urgent items | 19:03 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:03 |
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| * SotK finally got round to providing some review and testing of things again | 19:04 | |
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| Zara | yay! | 19:05 |
| SotK | I will send a fix for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444615/ in a little while too | 19:05 |
| Zara | oh, neat | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 19:05 |
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| SotK | hey diablo_rojo_phon | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | SotK: were you able to test Mistral? | 19:06 |
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| SotK | diablo_rojo_phon: not with the latest version, its on my todo list for this evening | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Also johnsom is here for Octavia's migration. | 19:07 |
| Zara | cool :) | 19:07 |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 19:07 |
| Zara | hi, johnsom | 19:07 |
| SotK | hi there! | 19:08 |
| johnsom | Thank you for letting us finish up Pike (a huge release for us). | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | No problem :) Happy to work with you. | 19:08 |
| johnsom | Now that it is done, let's talk about the migration and what needs to happen. I am just now reading the migration doc and looking at the video. | 19:09 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | We will probably run a practice migration against prod one more time to make sure things are kosher. | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | After that we pick a date and time- usually in off hours to run the script. | 19:10 |
| Zara | am I right in thinking I'm the one who should be testing it? | 19:10 |
| johnsom | Ok | 19:10 |
| Zara | or have I just volunteered? :P | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Zara: if you have time ;) | 19:10 |
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| johnsom | My ask would be that the switch over be after next Wednesday so I can give a heads up to the team at our weekly IRC (we missed this morning). | 19:11 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | johnsom: if you can work on closing out bugs that are invalid and whatnot the migration will go faster. Not as much of a problem since you don't have anywhere near as many as like.. Nova, but still. Every little bit helps. | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yeah definitely. We can shoot for end of next week. | 19:12 |
| Zara | I should be able to run a test by then | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | fungi: you free next week? | 19:12 |
| johnsom | It might be nice to have an advocate at that meeting too, just to answer any questions, etc. | 19:12 |
| johnsom | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Octavia_Meeting | 19:12 |
| fungi | sure | 19:12 |
| * fungi is reading, just quiet ;) | 19:13 | |
| Zara | hi fungi :) | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | johnsom: can do :) | 19:13 |
| johnsom | Does storyboard integrate with the new OpenStack docs theme? I know it has a bugs link that points to launchpad now. | 19:14 |
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| Zara | good question; we don't have any influence over that theme ourselves so I'm not sure how tightly bound launchpad is to the theme | 19:16 |
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| Zara | I imagine there could be a redirect notice on the lp page it redirects to, worst case | 19:16 |
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| fungi | i believe that is currently under discussion with the docs tools devs | 19:16 |
| fungi | it's less of a question of sb or lp integrating with the docs theme than the other way around | 19:17 |
| Zara | yep | 19:17 |
| johnsom | Ok, something I will look into as I learn about storyboard. Currently it links in with bug tags which is super useful. | 19:17 |
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| johnsom | Ok, I will schedule some time to continue working on bug scrub. There is stuff that can be cleaned out. | 19:18 |
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| Zara | cool | 19:19 |
| fungi | i think one thing we identified sb could add to make that a little easier would be the ability to pass some starter text for the story description in and inject it into the text field instead of starting with an empty text box, then have the docs theme pass that blob in a get parameter or something | 19:19 |
| fungi | as opposed to trying to go as deep as parameterized story templates like we had batted around ideas for in the past | 19:20 |
| fungi | (not that the latter would be a bad feature, just more work to implement) | 19:21 |
| johnsom | Getting the project right and inserting a tag (or I guess label in storyboard terms) is probably my #1, maybe a starter title as #2 on the wishlist. | 19:21 |
| SotK | yeah, I was going to look at that I believe, but haven't yet gotten round to it | 19:22 |
| fungi | integration could _maybe_ be done by having javascript in the docs theme make api calls instead, i guess. the real trick there is authenticating the reporter along the way | 19:22 |
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| SotK | I can probably find time to take a look at it this week, now I have time in the evenings properly again | 19:23 |
| johnsom | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2Rhw5c0Q/ | 19:24 |
| johnsom | This is a URL decoded version of what the bug link currently does. Again, the comment text is lower priority in my book. | 19:24 |
| fungi | cool, so i guess ability to set tags via url reference would help | 19:25 |
| * SotK makes a note for later | 19:27 | |
| SotK | thanks :) | 19:27 |
| fungi | thanks for looking into it! | 19:27 |
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| SotK | anything else that is somewhat like In Progress Work? | 19:28 |
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| Zara | I don't think so, I need to test the projects I said I'd test | 19:29 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:29 |
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| Zara | I registered for ptg yesterday, looking forward to seeing people! | 19:30 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Woot woot! | 19:30 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | SotK: ? ;) | 19:30 |
| SotK | I'm afraid not :( | 19:31 |
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| fungi | happy to see zara again! SotK will be missed... :( | 19:32 |
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| Zara | I think he has substantially more commits than me for this cycle so it's a bit strange | 19:33 |
| Zara | (I may not have *any*) | 19:33 |
| Zara | so... I will have to do a lot of hacking that week to catch up :) | 19:34 |
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| * SotK is sorry he can't be there | 19:36 | |
| Zara | ¬_¬ | 19:36 |
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| Zara | there are some notes on the infra etherpad, but essentially, we won't have a fixed room, just message in | 19:37 |
| Zara | #storyboard or similar | 19:37 |
| Zara | if you have questions and want to meet up | 19:37 |
| Zara | you will receive a bespoke storyboard q&a service | 19:37 |
| Zara | it got 6 stars on tripadvisor | 19:38 |
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| johnsom | Good to know, that will be right after our migration so folks might want to have a little session on storyboard in our room. | 19:39 |
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| Zara | excellent! | 19:39 |
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| fungi | well, you're also welcome to camp in the infra room | 19:42 |
| * Zara pitches a tent | 19:42 | |
| fungi | or add scheduled things to one of the schedulable rooms if you think of something you might want to get a bunch of people together for | 19:42 |
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| fungi | storyboard _is_ an infra project, and monday/tuesday in particular will be all about helping people who have questions with anything infra-related | 19:43 |
| fungi | we even call it a "helproom" ;) | 19:44 |
| Zara | :) | 19:44 |
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| Zara | I don't think I have anything else to add | 19:46 |
| SotK | me neither | 19:46 |
| fungi | great meeting! | 19:47 |
| SotK | if anyone wants to find us, we'll be in #storyboard | 19:47 |
| SotK | thanks all! | 19:47 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 30 19:47:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-08-30-19.01.html | 19:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-08-30-19.01.txt | 19:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-08-30-19.01.log.html | 19:47 |
| fungi | thanks SotK! | 19:47 |
| Zara | thanks! | 19:47 |
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| patchbot | yay swift team meeting! | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 30 21:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | good morning, afternoon, and evening | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | hmm... are we missing anyone? | 21:02 |
| joeljwright | hey everyone! | 21:02 |
| timburke | sam, clay | 21:02 |
| notmyname | clayg: ping | 21:03 |
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| timburke | well, clayg's lurking, anyway, but he hasn't said anything :-) | 21:03 |
| clayg | is it that time already? | 21:03 |
| timburke | yup! | 21:03 |
| clayg | thanks for the ping | 21:03 |
| torgomatic | it's always when you least expect it | 21:03 |
| notmyname | all right, let's get going | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| notmyname | agenda is there | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | several things to go over, but we won't do them in the order of that wiki page | 21:03 |
| notmyname | (except for the first one) | 21:04 |
| joeljwright | yay! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic SLO *ambles | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: what's up? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | where are we and what needs to be done | 21:04 |
| joeljwright | had some comments from torgomatic and timburke (thanks!) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | patch 365371 | 21:04 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ - swift - Add Preamble and Postamble to SLO and SegmentedIte... | 21:04 |
| joeljwright | I'm still chewing over tim's comments | 21:04 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:05 |
| joeljwright | and I've pushed up a (very) WIP tlo dependent patch | 21:05 |
| notmyname | link it? | 21:05 |
| joeljwright | https://review.openstack.org/499260 | 21:05 |
| patchbot | patch 499260 - swift - WIP: Add TLO middleware | 21:05 |
| joeljwright | sorry, took me a while to find it | 21:05 |
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| joeljwright | this is meant to illustrate the use of the *ambles | 21:06 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: is the TLO patch something you want to see land upstream or as an example of the ambles? | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | it's a lot like SLO, just validates a different manifest and generates an SLO | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://review.openstack.org/499260 | 21:06 |
| patchbot | patch 499260 - swift - WIP: Add TLO middleware | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | I'd be happy for either I think | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Just for the minutes | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | if this is something people are interested in I can follow it up | 21:06 |
| notmyname | (note for non-English speakers... "ambles" in this case isn't actually a real word. we're just using it for the shortened preamble and postamble) | 21:06 |
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| joeljwright | if it's not generally interesting then it's standalone (just depends on patch 365371) | 21:07 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ - swift - Add Preamble and Postamble to SLO and SegmentedIte... | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | I think the preambles is interesting, but also some concrete examples, so maybe something like tlos for me would help it merge, otherwise it's an interesting feature that users may not know how to use. | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | aside from further review on the first patch, is there more that you need from the community yet? or anything you're expecting to write for us? | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | *also need | 21:08 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah. that. :-) I think that's what the TLO patch is for | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | I guess I'll need to update the general docs | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | Noting I haven't looked at tlos yet | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | mattoliverau: I only pushed the tlo one this evening | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | and it's not functional yet | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | Well good then :p | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | it's more of a taster atm | 21:09 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: I know there's been some extra time pressure to get the *ambles patch landed for use at sohonet (or start working on some alternative). what's your current time frame? (IMO the *ambles patch should be reasonable, modulo the timburke and torgomatic and other reviews) | 21:10 |
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| joeljwright | my time frame is ~3weeks actively working on it, but I will continue to follow it up afterwards if I need to | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | ok. so that's through the PTG | 21:11 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:11 |
| notmyname | if anyone else is interested in this work, please take a look. it adds a very interesting (IMO) functionality to SLOs that makes SLOs efficiently usable for structured aggregations of other objects (eg tar files, zip files, maybe more) | 21:11 |
| joeljwright | thanks for looking everyone! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | any other questions here from anyone? | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | ok, moving on | 21:13 |
| notmyname | #topic debug_logger interface for errors | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | timburke: this is your patch | 21:13 |
| notmyname | patch 496535 | 21:13 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496535/ - swift - Simplify testing for logging at error vs exception | 21:13 |
| timburke | so it is | 21:13 |
| notmyname | what's up? and what do we need to cover in this meeting? | 21:13 |
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| timburke | i'm not sure i like our logging adapter. feels like a bit much magic in https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/common/utils.py#L1735-L1759 and there's no guarantee that we'll actually get to use it | 21:14 |
| timburke | further, it encourages us to *always* log at exception and punt to the adapter to decide whether to include a traceback or not, which breaks from the expectations set by stdlib logging | 21:15 |
| timburke | ...which in turn has us logging tracebacks for unexceptional things like trouble contacting memcached | 21:16 |
| clayg | @timburke well but that patch doesn't really address that issue... | 21:16 |
| clayg | @timburke that patch injects some magic lines into the fake logger so tests have to assert on what kind of traceback they expect or not? | 21:16 |
| timburke | nope. that all shook out because i proposed that patch (and all the parents that make us use logger.error/logger.exception per stdlib norms) | 21:17 |
| clayg | timburke: the memcache thing is readly fixed - an alternative solution would have been figure out if it could use a swift adapted logger when available and logged the Connection/Timeout stuff at .exception level | 21:17 |
| timburke | i hate logging, and i feel like i wasted some time shaving a yak that (maybe?) wasn't there. i don't even remember why this is on the agenda | 21:17 |
| notmyname | timburke: heh, so what is it we need to discuss about this patch? | 21:18 |
| clayg | i added it to the agenda because I wanted to know how folks think about timburke's idea of injecting extra lines into the fake specifically to deal with how we test logging exceptions... | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ah ha! it's clayg! | 21:18 |
| clayg | currently we just assertEqual(errors, ['unexpected error was found doing xyz:']) | 21:19 |
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| clayg | ... but we *could* assertEqual(errors, ['unexpected error was found doing xyz:', '<magic string inserted by fake to represent expected traceback for MyExplosionErrror>']) | 21:20 |
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| clayg | and I wasn't sure if that was a good idea - but timburke was confident enough to type it up and I felt obligated to form an opinion - but wanted help | 21:20 |
| notmyname | got it | 21:20 |
| clayg | we could ignore it because it's too hard to form an opinion - we ignore lots of stuff | 21:21 |
| timburke | ...except who knows whether that represents reality *any better* because of the automatic traceback-silencing | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so (1) does anyone have any immediate "whoa that's great" or "ewww yuk!" feedback? and (2) who can look at it in the next few days to provide more informed feedback | 21:21 |
| clayg | timburke: that's a good point! | 21:21 |
| acoles | so one outcome is that in future we get a heads up when making assertions about logs and think more about the log level? | 21:22 |
| timburke | acoles: that was the goal, yes | 21:22 |
| acoles | so long as your test checks all the log lines | 21:22 |
| torgomatic | I sort of want to take all the special cases out of our logger's exception() method and have our logging work more like stdlib's logging. Everyone knows how stdlib logging works. | 21:22 |
| clayg | torgomatic: I think timburke is on that same page! | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | So to test if there is a traceback.. is there ever a time we actually want a traceback to actually test for it. Other then when we find something unexpected, which by definition is unexpected. I mean do users actually like tracebacks in logs | 21:23 |
| acoles | torgomatic: +1 | 21:23 |
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| clayg | no one likes tracebacks in logs except developers - when something blew up for unexpected reasons I like to know why - I also like the process not to die/shutdown/start-over. | 21:23 |
| torgomatic | mattoliverau: I might want to test for it sometimes if I'm testing a catchall exception handler, but that's the only one that comes to mind. | 21:24 |
| clayg | I think the special casing in logging.exception was in response to mostly the fact that no-one likes tracebacks in lots | 21:24 |
| clayg | *logs | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | I like the patches that have been going by to stop logging tracebacks when we know how to handle the error. | 21:25 |
| notmyname | so what are we going to do? ignore this patch? commit to review it? | 21:25 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: there are a few places that we currently test for the traceback. the trouble is that you have to consciously go looking for it | 21:25 |
| clayg | timburke: did we decide that currently LogAdapter.exception *does* get executed when using a debug_logger - or not? | 21:25 |
| timburke | torgomatic: except i'm not sure they were actually getting logged before! there was exactly one that actually came up in logs i've seen (BadStatusLine when the proxy was talking to a backend server) | 21:26 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: so on one of those I found a case where moving from exception to error that *had* been hitting the special casing in exception caused the format to change sort of needlessly (we already weren't logging a traceback, now where weren't logging a traceback with slightly less automatic context but differently) | 21:26 |
| clayg | seemed likely to annoy some grok patterns - which led to tim's discovery of LogAdapter.exception's weird special case behavior | 21:27 |
| notmyname | we need to move on for the sake of time. what's the next thing to do here? | 21:27 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: fwiw, those would look like https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/test/unit/proxy/controllers/test_obj.py#L3653-L3654 | 21:28 |
| clayg | umm... that's why i put it on the agenda - next step wasn't clear for me? | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | :-) | 21:28 |
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| timburke | punt to PTG? | 21:29 |
| timburke | or grill rledisez! rledisez cares about logs :-) | 21:29 |
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| rledisez | sorry, i'm very late :) | 21:29 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:29 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:29 |
| notmyname | rledisez: and very popular it seems :-) | 21:29 |
| timburke | rledisez: (don't actually feel like you have to form an opinion on the spot :-) | 21:30 |
| rledisez | sorry, i'll have to check the logs to have a opinion | 21:30 |
| clayg | ok, so step 1 was raise awareness , we'll talk about it and timburke will do something sane-ish | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | Sign, phone won't goto the lines in question when following the link. I'll follow up looking today at at least add my 2 cents to the review for what's that worth in the review. | 21:30 |
| notmyname | clayg: ok | 21:30 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:31 |
| acoles | thanks for raising awareness, I was not fully aware of these quirks before | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #topic adding domain_remap functional test | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | acoles: did you add this item, or did clayg? ;-) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435929/7 | 21:31 |
| patchbot | patch 435929 - swift - Functionnal tests for domain_remap middleware | 21:31 |
| acoles | notmyname: I did :) and rledisez has arrived just in time | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:31 |
| notmyname | yay | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok, so what do we need to cover here in the meeting? | 21:32 |
| clayg | apchacpahcacpahp romain wrote it, timburke and acoles reviewed it and it's not mergeD!?a;lksdjf | 21:32 |
| acoles | I wanted to get wider opinion on a couple of things with this patch | 21:32 |
| timburke | well, it's also gonna need a devstack change before it can merge | 21:32 |
| timburke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494014/ | 21:32 |
| patchbot | patch 494014 - openstack-dev/devstack - Allow both Keystone and Tempauth reseller prefixes | 21:32 |
| clayg | it doesn't change any behavior? | 21:32 |
| timburke | even *if* you hit +A right now | 21:32 |
| notmyname | timburke: gate seems happy with it now | 21:33 |
| timburke | notmyname: Depends-On | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ah | 21:33 |
| acoles | first is, I thought in the past maybe we tried to make functional tests pass against any reasonable cluster - but IDK if I imagined that? with these tests there is an assumption about the config of the cluster | 21:33 |
| notmyname | AIUI, functional tests should pass against anything calling itself a swift endpoint. and stuff that isn't default should be skipped based on /info results | 21:34 |
| acoles | i.e. storage_domain, which is not published in /info, so the tests will fail unless you have example.com | 21:34 |
| clayg | acoles: yeah that's wrong - why is there some many + on it? | 21:34 |
| acoles | notmyname: right. so the tests do skip id domain_remap is not in the pipeline | 21:34 |
| clayg | oh, that's not *terrible* then | 21:34 |
| timburke | is there any reason *not* to publish storage_domain in /info? | 21:34 |
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| acoles | but we do not publish storage_domain | 21:35 |
| clayg | timburke: good question! | 21:35 |
| clayg | LAME | 21:35 |
| notmyname | rledisez: what do you think? | 21:35 |
| clayg | maybe | 21:35 |
| acoles | timburke: that's a great question | 21:35 |
| notmyname | rledisez: any reason to hide it? | 21:35 |
| rledisez | actually, we run this test against our prod clusters | 21:35 |
| rledisez | except if it's not the exact same code? i should probably check it | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ...and it fails because you don't host on example.com? ;-) | 21:36 |
| timburke | hey, you could always list it anyway :-) | 21:36 |
| timburke | we accept *multiple* domains now, it's great! | 21:36 |
| rledisez | and they succeed (or we don't prod…). so, i guess i have slighty different code on our branch. i'll check it right now | 21:36 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:36 |
| notmyname | my initial reaction is that there is no reason to hide the storage domain from /info | 21:37 |
| notmyname | acoles: what's your second "wider opinion" thing? | 21:37 |
| clayg | acoles: if you can demonstrate: given a swift cluster X with domain remap that *works* - these tests fail - that sounds like a test bug (or at minimum a test configuration issue) | 21:37 |
| clayg | notmyname: I could imagine exampel.com being in some list for "reasons" and not wanting to advertise it :\ | 21:38 |
| acoles | notmyname: second thing was about adding domain_remap to the sample proxy pipeline. | 21:38 |
| rledisez | acoles, notmyname: i run a different version of this test on our prod cluster, without hardcoded example.com. don't know why i submited this. i'll try to update that | 21:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think a test.conf thing could also work, or discoverability could be optional - in which case the tests either have to skip or be configurable again | 21:38 |
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| clayg | rledisez: AWESOME! | 21:39 |
| clayg | rledisez: is awesome | 21:39 |
| notmyname | clayg: adding storage_domain seems better :-) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | acoles: why add it or not add it to the example pipeline? | 21:39 |
| acoles | clayg: yeah adding to test.conf seemed like one option but if people are happy to publish storage_domain then that works | 21:39 |
| clayg | no... I meant like if I'm "myawesome.org" but I used to be "somecompanyibought.com" I might want to not break the internet and also not advertise the old name? | 21:39 |
| clayg | or typos... | 21:40 |
| acoles | notmyname: what if anything governs what goes in the sample pipeline? it seems to be used as the basis for the install guide | 21:40 |
| timburke | fwiw, adding it was an easy way to have devstack be sure to have it enabled | 21:40 |
| clayg | you said "I can't think of I why I don't want to publish.." - I can imagine "reasons" - but idk | 21:40 |
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| rledisez | there is no need to advertise it, as you can get it from the token (keystone catalog or that tempauth stuff i don't know about) | 21:40 |
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| rledisez | this is how our version of the test is written for now | 21:41 |
| clayg | um... I don't think domain_remap should be in the sample pipeline right now | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: I agree | 21:41 |
| clayg | acoles: why do you think it should be? IME most people don't use it | 21:41 |
| clayg | I always forget how it works | 21:41 |
| acoles | clayg: I don't, but the patch puts it there, and I wasn't sure how to feel about that | 21:42 |
| notmyname | the sample pipeline is governed by us. we can do whatever we want there. I think other groups (devstack?) take it as a signal because they don't know the current details of what might be configured | 21:42 |
| clayg | wat!? why? because of devstack? | 21:42 |
| rledisez | clayg: as a number, 30% to 40% of our trafic on public cloud is about domain_remap | 21:42 |
| notmyname | if we need special dispensation about getting a config change into devstack that is different than the sample config, I'm happy to fight that for anyone | 21:43 |
| acoles | I think the in process func test setup is also driven from the sample conf - but I guess that's ok cos the new tests would just skip | 21:43 |
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| timburke | clayg: weren't *you* the one that suggested putting it in sample configs? "I think most of the gate tests use the *other* example config? gate job logs seem to maybe confirm?" | 21:43 |
| kota_ | why not doing like in-process func tests like encryption? | 21:44 |
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| acoles | oh but IIRC jrichli made it possible to have custom in process pipeline for encryption, so we could have a custom domain_remap in process func test | 21:44 |
| notmyname | kota_: that's a good idea | 21:44 |
| acoles | kota_: yeah, that! :) | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | acoles: do you have enough based on this conversation to know what to do in gerrit (/cc rledisez)? | 21:45 |
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| clayg | timburke: past me has proven to be the biggest idiot I've ever known - don't trust anything he says. | 21:45 |
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| joeljwright | clayg: I'm sorry, but past me is a way bigger idiot | 21:45 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes, thanks everyone. rledisez sorry but I will -1 until we resolve discovering the storage_domain, and I will look at how we could customize an in proc func test job | 21:46 |
| rledisez | kota_: i'm not aware of that in-process func test. can i still be able to run the func test on a real cluster? | 21:46 |
| acoles | rledisez: no, in process tests setup their own swift services | 21:46 |
| notmyname | #topic PTG prep | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | ok, last topic for today (14 minutes left) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-queens | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | in that etherpad, we've got the currently collected topics of interest | 21:47 |
| notmyname | that's great, and thanks for updating it | 21:47 |
| notmyname | we've got 1.5 weeks before the PTG | 21:47 |
| notmyname | and it would help everyone if we can actually prepare instead of catching up from zero in denver | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | for example, let's talk about container sharding in denver, but read the current patch before we get there | 21:48 |
| notmyname | that's what I mean | 21:48 |
| notmyname | so i've added a new line to each topic: "what to review before the PTG" | 21:48 |
| timburke | that's just the patch i was thinking i ought to load into my head :-) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | some of the obvious-to-me ones I've already filled in | 21:48 |
| notmyname | (like contaienr sharding) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | but some of the others I don't know, and I need help | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | To answer you question, yes it would help :) | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | Also gives me reading for the long flight ;) | 21:49 |
| notmyname | line 76. "suffix hashing protocol". acoles, rledisez, clayg, kota_? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | what should we review for that one? | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | is there something on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas or an existing patch? | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I think clayg wanted us to take a look at protbuf | 21:51 |
| notmyname | acoles: EC rebalance topic is empty | 21:51 |
| clayg | yeah, i'll add the wiki link | 21:51 |
| clayg | i'll try to sketch out some patches and add them to the etherpad | 21:51 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: do you have any info for the HML topic? or the gnocci driver? | 21:51 |
| notmyname | clayg: great! | 21:51 |
| rledisez | maybe starting a dedicated etherpad? i know what i would like for this, but i don't know what are clayg plans | 21:51 |
| notmyname | kota_: "ring rebalance strategy work" is a topic you added. anything needed more than the linked patch and bug? | 21:52 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: no, I need to ping hseipp for HLM and nothing for gnocchi atm | 21:52 |
| acoles | notmyname: ?"EC rebalance topic is empty" | 21:52 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: the auto tiering topic is on the etherpad. what can we review before the PTG? | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: feel free to add both some wiki link and and etherpad.. let's just get the information so it's easy to find :) | 21:53 |
| notmyname | acoles: sorry. the "what to review before the PTG". is there more than the linked patch? | 21:53 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: There are some patches. I'll add links to the etherpad page. | 21:54 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: thank you | 21:54 |
| kota_ | notmyname: they are different topics between "ring rebalance strategy" and "ec rebalance" | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | kota_: yes, there are 2 different topics listed on the etherpad | 21:55 |
| kota_ | the first is for *general* rebalancing issue, that link is for description WHY current rebalance is worse | 21:55 |
| acoles | notmyname: OIC. I think clayg had an etherpad going on reconstructor improvements | 21:55 |
| clayg | no i did... oh you mean this one -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-rebalance | 21:55 |
| notmyname | kota_: if there's anything else that would be helpful to think about before we all get to denver, please link to it on the etherpad | 21:56 |
| kota_ | but I'm feeling the solution for the first one is not straight forward so that I'd like to gather opinions on that at PTG | 21:56 |
| clayg | yeah that stuff is >6mo old but still relevent despite the awesome improvements to EC rebalance using mattoliverau's great idea for multi-process strategy | 21:56 |
| kota_ | and the next one "ec rebalance" is for improvemnt on Reconstructor work for ec | 21:56 |
| acoles | clayg: ack I added that | 21:56 |
| kota_ | notmyname: ok | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: ok, thanks (HML, gnocci) | 21:57 |
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| clayg | kota_: yeah your rebalance issue is totally different than the other rebalance topic(s) - was that already ack'd | 21:58 |
| notmyname | I think having some prep work for topics listed will be helpful in denver. thanks for filling them out | 21:58 |
| kota_ | the mattoliverau's link "https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-rebalance" looks like for Suffix Hashing protocol | 21:58 |
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| kota_ | probably, we could use "rebalance" word everywhere in different topics :/ | 21:59 |
| notmyname | kota_: heh. every problem is a rebalance problem ;-) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | we're pretty much at full time for the meeting. | 22:00 |
| kota_ | it's critical issue to discuss for us ;-) | 22:00 |
| acoles | notmyname: do we have zaitcev's PUT POST patch on the list? I believe he will be in Denver | 22:00 |
| notmyname | acoles: I added it under the golang topic | 22:00 |
| notmyname | please continue to add helpful links to the PTG topics | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you for your work on swift | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming today | 22:01 |
| acoles | notmyname: ok great | 22:01 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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