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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 03:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-04-25_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| pksingh | Hello, all | 03:00 |
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| kevinz | kevinz | 03:00 |
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| Namrata | Namrata | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | thanks for joining mkrai pksingh kevinz Namrata | 03:01 |
| Shunli | shunli | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | thanks for joining Shunli | 03:01 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get started | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. We will have a "Boston Summit" release by the end of April | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | the python-zunclient already released | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459160/ | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | will release zun and zun-ui in this week | 03:02 |
| mkrai | Great!! | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | just let me know if you have any patch wanted to be included in the release | 03:02 |
| hongbin | or you saw any patch that should be included | 03:03 |
| hongbin | 2. Review Zun's mascot | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20170421/1db0d2fb/attachment.png | 03:03 |
| hongbin | all, what do you think about this mascot? | 03:03 |
| shubhams | hongbin: Will we have some release doc or some document that lists what we supports ? | 03:03 |
| mkrai | I looked at it and it looks really good | 03:03 |
| mkrai | +1 for it | 03:03 |
| Shunli | cute, looks like docker's mascot | 03:04 |
| pksingh | will mirror image be better? | 03:04 |
| hongbin | shubhams: yes, there should be some release notes to explain the list of features of this release | 03:04 |
| shubhams | hongbin: ack | 03:04 |
| shubhams | hongbin: mascot looks cool +1 | 03:04 |
| hongbin | shubhams: will write the notes if i have a chance, otherwise, leave it to the pike release | 03:04 |
| Shunli | +1 | 03:04 |
| shubhams | hongbin: got that | 03:05 |
| hongbin | pksingh: what is mirrow image? | 03:05 |
| hongbin | ok, it looks most people like the mascot, i will approve it | 03:06 |
| hongbin | any other announcement from our team members? | 03:06 |
| hongbin | seems no | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:07 | |
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| hongbin | 1. hongbin help diga to get the cinder integration patch passed the gate (IN PROGRESS) | 03:07 |
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| pksingh_ | sorry i got disconnected | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429943/ | 03:07 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: you said something about mirror image? | 03:07 |
| hongbin | pksingh_: what do you mean by mirror image? | 03:08 |
| pksingh_ | face just opposite, means towards left | 03:08 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:08 |
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| mkrai | pksingh_: Any reason ? | 03:09 |
| pksingh_ | mkrai: no specific reason, just i think it would look better | 03:09 |
| pksingh_ | just from myside, nothing strong about it | 03:10 |
| mkrai | pksingh_: Ok | 03:10 |
| mkrai | I am ok with the current one | 03:10 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | ok, let's get back to the action item | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429943/ | 03:11 |
| hongbin | diga cannot join the meeting today | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | i left a message to the review, mentioning that it missed a db migration script so the gate broke | 03:12 |
| hongbin | will ping him about that after the meeting | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (diga) | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (diga) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:12 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration The BP | 03:13 |
| hongbin | ok, i just mentioned this bp | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | it looks the progress of this bp is slow, i am going to mark it as slow progress | 03:13 |
| hongbin | any comment about this one? | 03:14 |
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| hongbin | seems no | 03:14 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr integration (hongbin) | 03:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kuryr integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:15 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/kuryr-integration The BP | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453387/ | 03:15 |
| hongbin | the patch got merged last week | 03:15 |
| hongbin | thanks everyone for the reviewing | 03:15 |
| hongbin | this is a big patch, just let me know if you find anything that is breaking | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | it requires to run devstack with kuryr-libnetwork enabled, if not, you will got an error message on creating containers | 03:16 |
| Shunli | Thanks hongbin. | 03:17 |
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| kevinz | Thx hongbin | 03:17 |
| hongbin | my pleasure | 03:17 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i think you will continue the work on defining the network api? | 03:18 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Sure | 03:18 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ok, i don't think the network api is urgent, (the Boston summit is the priority) | 03:18 |
| mkrai | I will design the APIs and then share with team | 03:18 |
| hongbin | mkrai: just take your time about that | 03:19 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Ok thanks | 03:19 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ok, thanks | 03:19 |
| kevinz | a small question, the container can connect internet after launch? Do we need some to do in neutron side? | 03:19 |
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| hongbin | if the cloud provide has setup the neutron net, you don't need to do anything | 03:20 |
| hongbin | which is similar to vm | 03:20 |
| kevinz | OK | 03:20 |
| Shunli | do we need something like floating ip? | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | yes, if you want to connect from outside to container, you will need the floating ip | 03:21 |
| Shunli | so bind floating ip to container is on the to do list | 03:21 |
| hongbin | the way to do that is to find the neutron port of the container, and associate a floating ip to the neutron port | 03:22 |
| hongbin | i think yes, we might need an api to automatically associate floating ip | 03:22 |
| hongbin | all, thoughts on this? | 03:23 |
| Shunli | ok, i see. thx | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | ok, i will track this idea by a bp | 03:23 |
| mkrai | I think we should have this API in zun | 03:23 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ack | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin create a bp for floating ip association to containers | 03:23 |
| hongbin | any other questions about this topic? | 03:24 |
| Shunli | no | 03:24 |
| hongbin | ok, advance topic | 03:25 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition | 03:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:25 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437759/ | 03:25 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:25 |
| kevinz | Hi all | 03:25 |
| kevinz | Thanks everyone for review this spec | 03:25 |
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| kevinz | And there are two question need to discuss | 03:26 |
| kevinz | 1. since zun also gives container life-cycle management facility then will the user be able to manage their containers that are running inside a capsule ? | 03:26 |
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| kevinz | 2. | 03:26 |
| kevinz | We dont have mechanism to label the hosts yet, do we need to give the control of host selection to user? | 03:26 |
| kevinz | The questions are just picked from comments :-) | 03:27 |
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| hongbin | all, thoughts on these? | 03:27 |
| Shunli | +1 for label the host | 03:27 |
| Shunli | whether user can controller the host selection not sure. | 03:28 |
| kevinz | nova support label the host. user can choose host when launch vm | 03:28 |
| hongbin | kevinz: could you elaborate? | 03:29 |
| Shunli | controller->controll | 03:29 |
| mkrai | For 1, I think we shouldn't allow this because it might bring some inconsistency across zun. For example, we delete a container from a capsule or etc | 03:29 |
| kevinz | I think " give the control of host" is give user the authority to choose the host which launch the container | 03:29 |
| kevinz | For 1, +1 with mkrai | 03:30 |
| hongbin | ok, let's discuss #1 first | 03:30 |
| mkrai | kevinz: as per my knowledge, Nova doesn't allow host selection directly. It is done through host-aggregate. Right? | 03:30 |
| mkrai | Ok #1 first | 03:31 |
| hongbin | i am not sure what it means by "manage their containers that are running inside a capsure" | 03:31 |
| shubhams | mkrai: kevinz : for #1, That will mean that zun can support individual container lifecyle management but when the container is created through capsule api then it wont allow to handle container operations | 03:31 |
| shubhams | mkrai: kevinz : Am I right here in my understanding ? | 03:31 |
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| mkrai | shubhams: Yes | 03:32 |
| hongbin | there are several apis: create, delete, update, logs, restart, rename, ... | 03:32 |
| pksingh_ | for #1 i think create/delete container in capsule should not be done, but other operations should be possible | 03:32 |
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| hongbin | how these operations will behave for a in-capsule container and a bare container | 03:32 |
| shubhams | mkrai: then its wont be listed in zun list as well (I suppose) | 03:33 |
| mkrai | I agree with pksingh_ here, the rest of the actions apply to capsule as well | 03:33 |
| mkrai | shubhams: I suppose so, it shouldn't be listed | 03:34 |
| hongbin | mkrai: if it is not listable, users won't be able to find the container to operate on it? | 03:34 |
| pksingh_ | after seeing the list, i think exec and logs should be possible on containers in capsule | 03:34 |
| kevinz | Here I find nova support specify host https://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/cli-nova-specify-host.html | 03:34 |
| pksingh_ | i think other operations would change the state of the container | 03:34 |
| hongbin | i see, state change operations are not allowed | 03:35 |
| kevinz | sorry for late responding , my boss call me just now... | 03:35 |
| mkrai | hongbin: I am not sure whether we can allow to perform actions on individual container in capsule | 03:35 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ok, i will handle this topic, take your time | 03:35 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Right, it might bring inconsistency | 03:35 |
| mkrai | pksingh_: We can restart, stop, pause etc a capsule also | 03:36 |
| mkrai | Right? | 03:36 |
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| mkrai | hongbin: Are we going to have another set of APIs for capsule or just reuse the same as containers? | 03:37 |
| pksingh_ | mkrai: i am not sure, if i want to stop or restart, simply delete and create would be enough? | 03:37 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i think kevinz proposed a /capsule endpoint, so it is another set of apis | 03:38 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Ok | 03:38 |
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| mkrai | I think we should then allow only read only container APIs to capsule for single containers | 03:39 |
| shubhams | My take for supported apis for individual apis : exec and logs .. also restart and stop upto some extent | 03:39 |
| kevinz | hongbin: ok, thanks hongbin. I'm back now | 03:40 |
| shubhams | mkrai: +1 for read only container | 03:40 |
| pksingh_ | k8s support only attach/exec/logs, https://kubernetes.io/docs/user-guide/kubectl-overview/ | 03:40 |
| mkrai | Or to completely segregate this two resources, we can have similar capsule-* APIs also. But this APIs might me redudant | 03:40 |
| hongbin | yes, since attach/exec/logs only make senses on single contianer | 03:41 |
| pksingh_ | yes i think the same | 03:41 |
| shubhams | yeah .. internally capsule api can perform other operations as required | 03:41 |
| hongbin | i think we can do this: list all the operaitons in the etherpad, then iterate each one to see which one should be allowed for a in-capsule container, and which one is not | 03:43 |
| shubhams | hongbin: great idea | 03:43 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i think you have an etherpad for capsule in before? | 03:44 |
| mkrai | +1 | 03:44 |
| Shunli | +1 | 03:44 |
| kevinz | yes here | 03:44 |
| kevinz | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-composition | 03:44 |
| hongbin | ok, let't do it in the etherpad | 03:44 |
| kevinz | I will move item to etherpad | 03:44 |
| hongbin | ok, then move to #2 | 03:45 |
| hongbin | We dont have mechanism to label the hosts yet, do we need to give the control of host selection to user? | 03:45 |
| kevinz | In the 138-151 is the capsule api | 03:45 |
| hongbin | #link https://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/cli-nova-specify-host.html | 03:46 |
| kevinz | That is user can select host to launch container | 03:46 |
| hongbin | in nova, only admin can use "forced_host" to select a host | 03:46 |
| hongbin | normal usrs can choose availability zone, but not a specific host | 03:47 |
| kevinz | Yeah, that right | 03:47 |
| hongbin | however, that is for nova | 03:47 |
| hongbin | what about us? thoughts? | 03:48 |
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| kevinz | Does this operation induce some issue? If not, I thinks it's OK to have the function | 03:48 |
| mkrai | I don't have a very strong take on it, if we allow this should be admin only | 03:49 |
| hongbin | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/pike/approved/resource-provider-traits.html | 03:49 |
| Shunli | +1 for label host. But give the control of host selection to user-not sure. | 03:49 |
| hongbin | the placement api has a proposal about traits, which is a similar idea as lables | 03:50 |
| Shunli | I lean to think host selection of a in-capsule container is some policy controll on the capsule. | 03:50 |
| hongbin | Shunli: yes, i agree | 03:51 |
| hongbin | i also think host labels would be a good idea | 03:51 |
| kevinz | +1 | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | for who has privileage to select host, i am open for ideas | 03:52 |
| shubhams | hongbin: kevinz : This host labelling is for associating a capsule to a host , not a container to a host .. right? | 03:52 |
| hongbin | in addition, i am thinking how to aglin host labeling with the traits api above | 03:53 |
| Shunli | hongbin: i guess like nova. only admin can select host. | 03:53 |
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| mkrai | Shunli: Right | 03:53 |
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| mkrai | shubhams: Right | 03:53 |
| hongbin | shubhams: not sure right now | 03:53 |
| Shunli | normal user can not see the host in the datacenter. | 03:53 |
| hongbin | Shunli: yes | 03:54 |
| hongbin | hide hosts from users is basically the model | 03:54 |
| hongbin | ok, we are running close to the end | 03:55 |
| hongbin | let me record the discussion as bp | 03:55 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin create a bp to track the idea of labeling hosts | 03:55 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:55 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: want to give the team a update about your heat work? | 03:56 |
| Namrata | i am working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437810/ | 03:56 |
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| Namrata | will update the patch today. working on inlien comments | 03:57 |
| mkrai | I will work with Namrata on this as we might need it for summit | 03:57 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: great work Namrata | 03:57 |
| Namrata | Hongbin mkrai:Thanks for the help | 03:57 |
| hongbin | mkrai: thx | 03:57 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: np, do you have ideas how to address the comments? | 03:58 |
| hongbin | Namrata: for example, is any comment that needs a clarification for you? | 03:58 |
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| Namrata | No i am okay with the explaination | 03:59 |
| hongbin | Namrata: ok, ping me or others offline if you need helps to address those comments | 03:59 |
| hongbin | Namrata: ack | 03:59 |
| Namrata | thanks hongbin | 03:59 |
| hongbin | Namrata: welcome | 03:59 |
| hongbin | ok, all, thanks for joining the meeting | 03:59 |
| hongbin | see you next time | 03:59 |
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| hongbin | #endmeeting | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 04:00:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-25-03.00.html | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-25-03.00.txt | 04:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-04-25-03.00.log.html | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all for masakari...o/ | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:01 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 04:01:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| sagara | hi | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
| rkmrHonjo | hi | 04:01 |
| samP | hi all o/ | 04:01 |
| samP | sorry for last week.. | 04:01 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 04:01 |
| tpatil | NP | 04:02 |
| samP | Had a super busy week, cause I became a father :) | 04:02 |
| samP | Anyway.. | 04:02 |
| tpatil | Congratulations!!! | 04:03 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: congrats!! | 04:03 |
| sagara | congrats! | 04:03 |
| samP | thanks.. | 04:03 |
| rkmrHonjo | Congratulations..! | 04:03 |
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| samP | thank you all.. | 04:03 |
| samP | let's jump in to agenda | 04:03 |
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| samP | #topic critical bugs | 04:03 |
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| samP | any bugs to discuss? | 04:04 |
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| samP | If no bugs to discuss, let's move to Discussion. if any we can address them later in AOB | 04:05 |
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| samP | #topic Discussion Points | 04:06 |
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| tpatil | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-recovery-method-customization | 04:06 |
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| samP | triggering crash dump in a server? | 04:06 |
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| tpatil | samP: Yes | 04:07 |
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| tpatil | samP: can you please explain a little bit about this use case? | 04:07 |
| samP | tpatil: sure | 04:07 |
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| samP | This is for wait core dump or crash dump befor shout down a server | 04:08 |
| samP | When pacemakser stonith a server, it does not wait for core domp. | 04:09 |
| samP | In our user environment, servers has 264GB RAM and it take 20-30 mis to do the core dump. | 04:10 |
| samP | However, when host fails, pacemaker do the stonith and no time for server to do the core dump | 04:11 |
| samP | This feture is for isolate the server from the network except form IPMI and give some time for server to do the core dump. | 04:12 |
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| tpatil | samP: can masakari-monitor receive the event to trigger core dump? | 04:14 |
| samP | tpatil: not in current | 04:14 |
| rkmrHonjo | Oh, I haven't recognised it. | 04:15 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Should I write receiving trigger core dump bp for monitor? | 04:15 |
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| tpatil | samP: I think this job should be done by masakari-monitor instead of masakari | 04:16 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: currently I have no idea for how to receiv this trigger in masakari monitors | 04:17 |
| samP | tpatil: IMHO, job can be done in masakari monitors, but recovery method shold define in masakari, | 04:18 |
| tpatil | samP: what action will massacre take after receiving notification to take core dump? | 04:18 |
| tpatil | sorry, s/massacre/masakari | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | Massacre is scared... | 04:20 |
| samP | tpatil: IMO, masakari will not get the notificaion for core dump. | 04:20 |
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| samP | It is a one of the recovery actions | 04:20 |
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| tpatil | On my machine auto spell check is enabled, I will find out a way to disable this feature | 04:20 |
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| samP | Masakari only get the node failure notification, and recovery action would be isolate server(wait for core dumo) -> evacuate | 04:21 |
| tpatil | samP: Who will trigger core dump is complete? | 04:22 |
| samP | tpatil: core dump will automanitcally triggered by the kernel | 04:23 |
| samP | In HW failures , exceptions, kernel panic...etc will trigger the core dump in the server | 04:24 |
| samP | we just have wait for it to dumo all the pages to file.. | 04:24 |
| tpatil | samP: Are you suggesting masakari should run recovery action which will trigger core dump and wait until kernel signals it's complete using IPMI protocol? | 04:25 |
| samP | ^^ just have to wait | 04:25 |
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| samP | tpatil: No, that can not be done. On the other hand, masakari do not have wait for core dump. it just need to ask pacemaker to ifdown the networks and isolate the node. | 04:27 |
| samP | for masakari, network isolation = node dead | 04:28 |
| samP | So masakari can do evacuate VMs as noraml way | 04:28 |
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| tpatil | samP: I'm trying to understand the end-to-end workflow when any node is down for some reason | 04:29 |
| samP | tpatil: OK let me write down the simple flow | 04:30 |
| tpatil | samP: thank you | 04:31 |
| samP | (1) masakari monitor sends the node failure notificaion | 04:31 |
| samP | (2) Masakari ask pacemaker to NW isolation of the node (<- call the pacemaker cluster to do that) | 04:32 |
| samP | (3) Masakari get the reply from pacemaker "node isolation is done" | 04:32 |
| samP | (4) Masakari trigger nova evacuate for VMs on that node | 04:33 |
| samP | (5) done | 04:33 |
| tpatil | samP: Masakari doesn't store any info about pacemaker cluster, need to figure out how to store this info when operator configures failover segment and hosts | 04:33 |
| samP | tpatil: you are correct.. | 04:34 |
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| tpatil | samP: understood the workflow. will check what information should be stored to isolate the node | 04:34 |
| samP | tpatil: we have to configure the resoureces on pacemaker side to do this.. | 04:35 |
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| samP | most of the work will be done in the pacemaker side. So, pacemaker and corosync need to configure correctly | 04:35 |
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| samP | I will wire down more info related to this in etherpad.. | 04:36 |
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| sagara | I think we need to avoid split brain about volume booted VMs on failure node | 04:37 |
| tpatil | samP: thank you | 04:37 |
| sagara | Do we need some confirmation? and we need to design this feature carefully about fenced enough for that VMs. | 04:37 |
| samP | sagara: does NW isolation avoid that? | 04:37 |
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| sagara | I don't know NW isolation is enough. In many L2 switches case, is it enough isolated? | 04:39 |
| sagara | example, management NW, storage NW isolated environment case | 04:40 |
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| samP | sagara: NW isolation in node means, ifdown the IF will kill all the connection and sessions | 04:40 |
| samP | sagara: In above, I mentioned the about the NW isolation. Ex: NW isolation = ifdown all the IFs, except IPMI | 04:41 |
| samP | sagara: you may choose specific IF to down, such as only Storage NW and Tenent NW, but not the Managemtn NW. | 04:42 |
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| sagara | So do we need to clarify if we are using FC-HBA host, we cannot fence VM enough. Is that right? | 04:43 |
| tpatil | samP: that will surely help us to figure out how to implement this recovery action | 04:43 |
| samP | sagara: Ah..yes...In that case we need to do some specil thins | 04:43 |
| samP | sorry,s/thins/things | 04:44 |
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| sagara | FC-HBA environment maybe rare than iSCSI, firstly do we take it forward without FC case, or | 04:46 |
| sagara | Do we consider some general design? | 04:46 |
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| samP | sagara: For my understanding, problem in FC case is how to disable the port wich is highly HW dependet. | 04:47 |
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| samP | sagara: On the otherhad, how to disable it is a pacemaker configuration problem and not a masakri problem | 04:48 |
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| sagara | I think there is two way, one is disabling the FC port, another is wait dump enough. | 04:48 |
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| samP | IMO, we can proceed without considering FC case. Because I can not see what can we do in masakari side for FCs | 04:49 |
| samP | sagara: please correct me if Im wrong | 04:49 |
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| sagara | operating FC port will be little difficult, Cinder already has FC auto zoning feature, so some FC switch can control with cinder FC switch driver code. | 04:51 |
| sagara | I agree to proceed without considering FC case. | 04:52 |
| samP | sagara: are you proposing to cut off FC channels from the SW side? | 04:52 |
| samP | sagara: I was only focused in server side | 04:53 |
| sagara | Yes, Sampath-san said "problem in FC case is how to disable the port wich is highly HW dependet", so I understood that controlling FC switches. | 04:54 |
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| samP | sagara: OK.. | 04:55 |
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| sagara | I think controlling FC-HBA on server is also difficult | 04:56 |
| samP | I was mention about FC ports in the server side. | 04:56 |
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| samP | Anyway, I will write more detils in the etherpad for this. So, we can discuss how to proceed with this. | 04:57 |
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| samP | we do not have much time... let move to AOB | 04:57 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:57 |
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| rkmrHonjo | In masakari-recovery-method-customization, "Send Alert/Mail to operator", how does it send "Alert"? Logs? | 04:58 |
| sagara | I don't know well that FC-HBA's device path is still alive after dump kernel start to work | 04:58 |
| samP | tpatil: sorry for the delay, I reply to your ( and aldo Pooja-san's) mail about summit presentaion | 04:58 |
| sagara | ok | 04:58 |
| rkmrHonjo | oh, sorry... | 04:58 |
| tpatil | samP: Thanks | 04:58 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: operator may configure it | 04:58 |
| samP | sagara: path will stay alive till you kill it | 04:59 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Do operators configure drivers? e.g. logs, messaging? | 04:59 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: In my mind, this was a mistal work flow. operator does not configure the drivers | 05:00 |
| sagara | samP: but login/logout mechanism just only iSCSI. FC is not. | 05:00 |
| samP | lest's finish | 05:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Thanks. I understand. | 05:00 |
| samP | we are out of time | 05:00 |
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| samP | lest discuss this on ML or openstac-masakari | 05:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | ok | 05:00 |
| samP | thank you all...... | 05:00 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
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| sagara | thanks | 05:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 05:00:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-25-04.01.html | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-25-04.01.txt | 05:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-04-25-04.01.log.html | 05:01 |
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| chenying_ | #startmeeting karbor | 09:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 09:05:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is chenying_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:05 |
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| chenying_ | hi | 09:07 |
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| jiaopengju | hi | 09:08 |
| zhonghua | hi | 09:08 |
| chenying_ | yuval is not online. | 09:09 |
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| chenying_ | So jupengjiao want to introduce some requirement about karbor to yuval. specially discuss the scene of file backup. | 09:10 |
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| chenying_ | jiaopengju We could discuss your scene in the irc meeting of karbor later, waiting yuval online. What's your oppion about it? | 09:12 |
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| xiangxinyong | Hello | 09:12 |
| jiaopengju | ok , I agree | 09:12 |
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| chenying_ | #topic Open Discussion | 09:13 |
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| chenying_ | jiaopengju's topic about file backup, we will discuss it in ther irc channel later. | 09:14 |
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| chenying_ | So do you have anything want to talk about, now is the time. | 09:16 |
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| chenying_ | If we don't have any open discussion, I will end this meeting. If we have anything want to discuss, we could discuss it in karbor's irc meeting. | 09:21 |
| chenying_ | Thanks, all. | 09:21 |
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| chenying_ | #endmeeting | 09:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 09:21:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-04-25-09.05.html | 09:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-04-25-09.05.txt | 09:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-04-25-09.05.log.html | 09:21 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 13:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
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| yanyanhu_ | hi, evening | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | hi | 13:00 |
| Qiming | don't know if others are joining | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu_ | maybe lets wait for a while for them? | 13:01 |
| Qiming | ya | 13:02 |
| ruijie | evening :) | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu_ | hi, ruijie :) | 13:03 |
| Qiming | evening | 13:03 |
| Qiming | let's get started | 13:03 |
| ruijie | hi :) | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #topic pike work items | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | evening ruijie | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | don't think we have elynn today | 13:03 |
| Qiming | so we skip vdu topic | 13:04 |
| elynn | yes, you have | 13:04 |
| ruijie | :) | 13:04 |
| elynn | just no update on this topic | 13:04 |
| Qiming | engine improvement, CLUSTER_CHECK patch looks good to me | 13:04 |
| Qiming | evening elynn | 13:04 |
| Qiming | okay, hope we can have it by the end of this cycle, :) | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | oh, I was wrong, XueFeng's patch needs some work | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | node adopt patches are merged now | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | need to work on api support, doc and test | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | we will need to bump microversion of api soon | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | in my mind, next api microversion will include node-adopt, node-adopt-preview, service-list and some changes to cluster actions that have health_check support | 13:08 |
| Qiming | the health_check parameter for scale in, patch 459090 looks good to me | 13:09 |
| Qiming | please review | 13:09 |
| ruijie | but for policy side, that is not easy to implement with current design | 13:09 |
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| ruijie | Qiming, I have a question here, when check the deletion policy | 13:10 |
| ruijie | I found the data from region&zone policy only been used in deletion policy? | 13:11 |
| Qiming | so far, yes | 13:11 |
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| XueFengLiu | Qiming, a question about cluster_check, if the node is shutoff we think it was error | 13:12 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:12 |
| ruijie | okay .. need to think how to interact with deletion policy | 13:12 |
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| XueFengLiu | then we do_recover, the default action is delete and create. | 13:13 |
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| XueFengLiu | In fact we only need to start the node | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | sorry, network connection not stable | 13:15 |
| Qiming | all nodes that are not operational should be treated unhealthy | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | and, ideally, we should be able to recover them based on their current status (deleted -> recreate, crashed -> rebuild, shutdown -> start, etc.) | 13:16 |
| Qiming | that makes sense? | 13:17 |
| XueFengLiu | yes:) | 13:17 |
| XueFengLiu | think so | 13:17 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:17 |
| Qiming | next work item (just added), is about optimizing the runtime_data properties | 13:17 |
| Qiming | they were designed to be a cache of DB entries, however, we are seeing some obvious overhead in using them | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | I'm working on some patches to optimize it | 13:18 |
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| XueFengLiu | ok, great | 13:18 |
| ruijie | Qiming, you mean dumping data to action.outputs? | 13:19 |
| Qiming | for example, a cluster's rt['nodes'] now contains only OVO version of Nodes, rather than engine Node objects | 13:19 |
| ruijie | oh, okay | 13:19 |
| elynn | Will you back port these patches back to coat? | 13:19 |
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| elynn | ocata | 13:20 |
| Qiming | in other words, we will have array of senlin.objects.node.Node instead of senlin.engine.node.Node | 13:20 |
| Qiming | it would be a little bit difficult | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | if there is a requirement, elynn, I can do that | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | I can try cherry-pick though | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | okay for you, elynn? | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:22 |
| Qiming | rdo progress? | 13:22 |
| XueFengLiu | no update | 13:23 |
| XueFengLiu | Qiming | 13:23 |
| Qiming | health management | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | we have basic workflow (mistral) support added to Node class now | 13:23 |
| lxinhui | I am drafting chart for Boston | 13:23 |
| lxinhui | about workflow | 13:24 |
| lxinhui | and hope | 13:24 |
| Qiming | need to revise recover operation to invoke them | 13:24 |
| lxinhui | renat could provide 3-5 pages for us | 13:24 |
| Qiming | oh, godess is here, below the water surface | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | cool | 13:24 |
| lxinhui | ... | 13:24 |
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| lxinhui | sorry, just back home from CMCC lab | 13:24 |
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| lxinhui | we are doing R2 integration these days | 13:25 |
| lxinhui | ... | 13:25 |
| Qiming | I see. | 13:25 |
| lxinhui | for the VDU | 13:25 |
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| lxinhui | health management | 13:25 |
| lxinhui | is more complex than what we think before | 13:25 |
| lxinhui | actually tocsa has add extention spec on this part | 13:26 |
| lxinhui | such as relationship bound with a VDU | 13:26 |
| Qiming | alright, any link? | 13:26 |
| lxinhui | I will send out doc to all of you | 13:26 |
| Qiming | great | 13:27 |
| elynn | thanks, we need to discuss about it after we read the docs. | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | The documents are latest VDU spec | 13:27 |
| lxinhui | sure | 13:27 |
| Qiming | okay, looking forward to that | 13:27 |
| Qiming | Testing | 13:27 |
| Qiming | local tempest testing fix is done, XueFeng? | 13:28 |
| XueFengLiu | yes | 13:28 |
| XueFengLiu | Qiming | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | rally job gets problem? | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu_ | yes, seems so | 13:29 |
| Qiming | don't understand why admin users cannot get profile object created by non-admin | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu_ | should be caused by this patch: https://review.openstack.org/415690 | 13:30 |
| XueFengLiu | yes, somebody mail me and I have discuss with yanyanhu_ | 13:30 |
| XueFengLiu | discussed | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu_ | it enforces the project_safe for admin user | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | right | 13:30 |
| Qiming | even an admin should have a role in a project in order to operate things there | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu_ | so I guess we may need to find a way to address this kind of requirement | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | the admin user, should login using the proper OS_PROJECT_ID | 13:31 |
| XueFengLiu | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23senlin/%23senlin.2017-04-25.log.html | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, I guess the project_id of an user is fixed once the user is created | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | no, that is the default project id | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu_ | yes, but using other project_id rather than default one won't work I think... | 13:32 |
| Qiming | when you authenticate to keystone, you can still specify the target project id | 13:33 |
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| yanyanhu_ | at least it didn't last time I tried it... | 13:33 |
| Qiming | you have to have a role in that project | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu_ | a while ago | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, yes... I tried it like that, but got authentication error... not sure whether it works now | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | it should work | 13:33 |
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| yanyanhu_ | oh, I tried it for trust | 13:34 |
| Qiming | we only use project-scope tokens | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu_ | maybe that is a special case | 13:34 |
| Qiming | right | 13:34 |
| Qiming | trust is different | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu_ | for normal case, it should work | 13:34 |
| Qiming | and maybe it is the trust that caused the problem | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu_ | yes, it could be | 13:35 |
| Qiming | I'd suggest they dump the context contents and see if there are roles we can check | 13:35 |
| XueFengLiu | ok | 13:35 |
| Qiming | client functional test, no update? | 13:35 |
| XueFengLiu | yes:( | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:36 |
| Qiming | last is policy improvement | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | ruijie any update? | 13:37 |
| ruijie | no progress | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, no, I guess | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | okay | 13:37 |
| Qiming | anything else wrt pike work items? | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | guess no? | 13:38 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, no I guess | 13:38 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | sorry just dropped | 13:38 |
| Qiming | alright | 13:39 |
| Qiming | #topic boston summit prep | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | anyone needs other's help? | 13:39 |
| XueFengLiu | Qiming, one problem | 13:39 |
| XueFengLiu | create are alarm, and make the vm high | 13:40 |
| Qiming | vm refused to go high? :D | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | :P | 13:40 |
| XueFengLiu | no | 13:40 |
| XueFengLiu | can't get the alarm | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | could be another ceilometer/aodh problem | 13:41 |
| XueFengLiu | maybe | 13:41 |
| XueFengLiu | reference to the doc you write | 13:41 |
| Qiming | then better debug aodh/ceilometer first | 13:42 |
| XueFengLiu | ok | 13:42 |
| Qiming | they change things every single day | 13:42 |
| XueFengLiu | en | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | anything else people want to discuss? | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | no more from me | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | just dropped again... | 13:44 |
| ruijie | no from me :) | 13:44 |
| XueFengLiu | no more | 13:44 |
| Qiming | alright, thanks for joining boys and girls | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | have a good night | 13:45 |
| XueFengLiu | good night | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | have a good night :) | 13:45 |
| Qiming | we can end this earlier | 13:45 |
| ruijie | good night :) | 13:45 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 13:45:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-04-25-13.00.html | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-04-25-13.00.txt | 13:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-04-25-13.00.log.html | 13:45 |
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| jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 14:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | Hello everyone | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| dasm | o/ | 14:00 |
| bcafarel | hello | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Announcements | 14:00 |
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| hichihara | hi | 14:00 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 14:00 |
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| ralonsoh | hi | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | It was an announcement that Mitaka is about to be tagged as EOL | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | I haven't seen Neutron being mentioned there yet | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115308.html | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | dasm: you're no longer release liaison right? Do you have any clue when Neutron is gonna be cut? | 14:02 |
| dasm | jlibosva: no one took responsibilities from me, yet. so technically i'm still liaison. | 14:03 |
| dasm | jlibosva: but afair, we need to give a green light to mitaka eol | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | dasm: but that hasn't been proposed yet, right? | 14:03 |
| dasm | jlibosva: i need to sync that with release team and kevinbenton | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | ack | 14:03 |
| dasm | i don't think so | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | dasm: thanks | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | next one | 14:03 |
| andreas_s | hi | 14:03 |
| kevinbenton | I think we only need to opt out | 14:04 |
| kevinbenton | by default we will EOL IIUC | 14:04 |
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| jlibosva | but the question is when :) There is a bug that has some security impact in Mitaka (I want to talk aobut that later in bugs topic) | 14:05 |
| dasm | jlibosva: technically, it should already happen last week, iirc | 14:05 |
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| bcafarel | the original mail mentioned 2017-04-17, so "soon"? | 14:06 |
| jlibosva | so if there are any backport patches pending or bugs scheduled to mitaka, we might want to do the final release before the cut | 14:06 |
| dasm | " Please look over both lists by 2017-04-17 00:00 UTC" | 14:06 |
| dasm | jlibosva: would be good | 14:06 |
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| jlibosva | ok, we can talk about specifics in bugs section | 14:06 |
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| jlibosva | next announcement is that our ptl wants to pay better attention to review dashboards to not let patches fall thru cracks | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/dashboards/index.html | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | Next announcement: There is no Neutron CI meeting today | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | Last announcement from me is that Boston summit Forum schedule is now known: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115174.html | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115174.html | 14:09 |
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| jlibosva | there is a pdf document attached | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | anybody else has anything to announce? | 14:09 |
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| kevinbenton | if you're attending the summit | 14:09 |
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| kevinbenton | put your name on this | 14:10 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-boston-summit-attendees | 14:10 |
| kevinbenton | so we can coordinate and plan a social | 14:10 |
| kevinbenton | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115766.html | 14:10 |
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| jlibosva | oh, I also noticed this email: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115723.html | 14:11 |
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| jlibosva | we may need an api liaison as Henry no longer works on Neutron | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | maybe a ML would be better to get one :) | 14:12 |
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| jlibosva | so if nobody wants to announce something else we can move on | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | #topic Blueprints | 14:12 |
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| jlibosva | there was this spec brought up several times https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203509/ | 14:13 |
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| jlibosva | kevinbenton: do you remember if that bp was discussed by drivers? | 14:14 |
| kevinbenton | jlibosva: it wasn't | 14:15 |
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| hichihara | I think that the spec needs feedbacks or +1 by OVS folks. | 14:15 |
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| jlibosva | kevinbenton: is it on the radar? | 14:15 |
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| kevinbenton | hichihara: you mean reference implmentation people? | 14:15 |
| hichihara | kevinbenton: and OVN | 14:16 |
| yushiro | jlibosva, kevinbenton Hi. I and annp works on this logging BP. | 14:16 |
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| kevinbenton | hichihara: ok | 14:16 |
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| jlibosva | I also promised to have a look but I didn't yet | 14:17 |
| jlibosva | yushiro: hi :) | 14:17 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i don't think anything is changing from a drivers perspective for it | 14:17 |
| yushiro | In my understanding, we decided to support OVS native firewall driver first after PTG. | 14:17 |
| kevinbenton | we just need an approver | 14:18 |
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| kevinbenton | we can discuss it in the drivers meeting on thursday | 14:18 |
| yushiro | kevinbenton, aha, yes. Rossella is now approver. She wants to know some decision in PTG. | 14:19 |
| jlibosva | that would make sense, it seems we have devs and they are blocked by processes | 14:19 |
| yushiro | kevinbenton, this Thursday, right? | 14:19 |
| kevinbenton | yes | 14:19 |
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| mlavalle | yushiro: 2200 UTC | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | so maybe Friday for you | 14:20 |
| yushiro | mlavalle, OK, thanks. I'll join this mtg. | 14:21 |
| hichihara | yushiro: If you can, you should get Russell Bryant as OVN folks. | 14:21 |
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| yushiro | hichihara, OK. I'll reach out him later. | 14:21 |
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| jlibosva | I see he's already on the reviewers' list | 14:21 |
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| hichihara | jlibosva: yes but he left -1 | 14:22 |
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| jlibosva | does anybody have any other bp that lacks attention or is blocked in any way? | 14:22 |
| yushiro | jlibosva, Thanks for your attention :) | 14:22 |
| jlibosva | hichihara: ah, I see | 14:22 |
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| jlibosva | if there is no other bp to be discussed, let's move on | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | #topic Bugs and gate failures | 14:24 |
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| jlibosva | I was bug deputy for the last week | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | we have a critical bug that has no assignee https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683090 | 14:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683090 in neutron "test_dhcpv6_64_subnets fails with IpAddressAlreadyAllocated" [Critical,Confirmed] | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | it fails a tempest job on the gate | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | does anybody want to look at it? | 14:25 |
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| mlavalle | jlibosva: I am bugs deputy this week, so I'll take a look | 14:27 |
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| jlibosva | mlavalle: cool, thanks. ping me if you want to collaborate | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | next bug I wanted to highlight is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1685237 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1685237 in neutron "port security does not block router advertisements for instances" [Undecided,New] | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | will do :-) | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | as mentioned before, Mitaka life is going to the end and I wanted to make a decision if we want to backport fix and do release before EOL | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | if the backport wouldn't be too invasive | 14:28 |
| dasm | if bug is security issue, we should probably try | 14:29 |
| haleyb | jlibosva: i wonder if the RA issue is still broken in master, guessing not | 14:29 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, we should find out the fix | 14:29 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: I did a quick look and didn't find any specific patch but could be part of other fix | 14:30 |
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| haleyb | we changed the icmpv6 code recently, but on mitaka it could just be a single rule was missed | 14:31 |
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| * haleyb doesn't have a mitaka environment around | 14:31 | |
| haleyb | jlibosva: i can ask some more questions to narrow it down a bit | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: thanks, maybe I could spin-up a mitaka vm | 14:32 |
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| jlibosva | we can talk about that on openstack-neutron after mtg | 14:33 |
| haleyb | seeing ip6tables-save output would be a start, i'll ask | 14:33 |
| haleyb | jlibosva: i know there's devstack instructions on older releases, been a while... | 14:33 |
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| jlibosva | that's all bugs I wanted to share with the team | 14:34 |
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| jlibosva | mlavalle: you're the bug deputy for the next week, right? | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | this week | 14:35 |
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| jlibosva | oh, right :) | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | unless you want to do double duty :-) | 14:35 |
| jlibosva | so we'll need a volunteer for the week of May 1 | 14:36 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Ice1c9dd349864da28806c5053e38ef86f43b7771 | 14:36 |
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| haleyb | kevinbenton: thanks, i'll see if htey have that | 14:36 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: if they do, i'm guessing it's related to them having security groups feature disabled | 14:37 |
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| kevinbenton | haleyb: not something we test | 14:37 |
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| jlibosva | mlavalle: doubleduty can be also possible if you're willing to :) | 14:38 |
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| kevinbenton | jlibosva: we can also find someone during next meeting | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | kevinbenton: seems like we have to | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | let's move on from bug deputies then | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | one thing regarding gate, we agreed on the last Neutron CI meeting that we're gonna propose functional job to the gate queue | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | to start broader discussion | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | as it was quite stable lately, mostly copying the curve of api job | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | that's about the gate | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | #topic Docs | 14:41 |
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| jlibosva | john-davidge: hi, are you around ? | 14:41 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: Hi! | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | john-davidge: do you want to give us updates regarding docs? | 14:41 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: So, my update this week is to say that with the closing down of OSIC I will likely have to step down from my docs liason role very soon. | 14:42 |
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| jlibosva | oh :( sad to hear that | 14:42 |
| john-davidge | I should know for sure within the next few days. If anyone is interested in taking over then please get in touch with me and/or kevinbenton/asettle | 14:42 |
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| john-davidge | Docs are fun! I promise :) | 14:43 |
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| jlibosva | it seems john-davidge knows what he's talking about :) | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | volunteers are welcome | 14:44 |
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| jlibosva | john-davidge: thanks a lot for all the great work! | 14:44 |
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| john-davidge | jlibosva: Sorry for the potentially bad news, I'll hopefully know more by next week's meeting | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | john-davidge: ok, I assume you're gonna talk with kevinbenton :) | 14:45 |
| jlibosva | next one | 14:45 |
| jlibosva | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Transition to OSC (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:45 | |
| jlibosva | amotoki: hi, are you around? | 14:45 |
| john-davidge | jlibosva: Yes, we've already discussed it and will continue to do so | 14:45 |
| amotoki | jlibosva: hi | 14:45 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: do you have any updates from osc world? | 14:45 |
| amotoki | but there is no update from the past report. L3 agent and tag supports are the last place | 14:46 |
| amotoki | s/place/pieces/ | 14:46 |
| amotoki | L3 agent stuff is good progress. Tag support might need more time but I think we can have it in Pike. | 14:47 |
| amotoki | that's all | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | oh, that's good | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: thanks | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | #topic Neutron-lib | 14:47 |
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| jlibosva | boden: hi, you here already? | 14:47 |
| boden | jlibosva hi yes | 14:48 |
| jlibosva | good | 14:48 |
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| jlibosva | boden: stage is yours :) | 14:48 |
| boden | just a few quick FYIs | 14:48 |
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| boden | the transition to neutron-lib’s callbacks is underway.. rather than digress here, I’m going to be sending a note to dev ML about it soon, so if interested please watch for the email | 14:49 |
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| boden | the other thing is there’s 2 WIP patches out for review that (a) try to solidify the notion of a service definition and (b) provide the plugin loading functionality of NeutronManager.. if anyone is interested in this topic please feel free to watch/comment on those patches (thanks kevinbenton for initial feedback) | 14:50 |
| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455451/ | 14:51 |
| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456343/ | 14:51 |
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| boden | respectively | 14:51 |
| * mlavalle adding them to my starred reviews | 14:51 | |
| boden | that’s really all I have, unless others have questions/comments | 14:51 |
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| jlibosva | boden: thanks for updates, no questions from me :) | 14:52 |
| boden | and of course the usual: please have a peek at neutron-lib reviews when you get time :) | 14:52 |
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| jlibosva | so unless there are no questions about neutron-lib we can go to open discussion | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | #topic Open discussion | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:53 | |
| jlibosva | the release liaison was discussed on prev meeting so there is no item in On demand agenda | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | does anybody have a subject to discuss? | 14:53 |
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| haleyb | jlibosva: i added an item this morning | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | oh I didn't see | 14:54 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1668145 | 14:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668145 in neutron "[RFE] Allow operator control of "on-link" routes for subnets in the same Neutron network" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 14:54 |
| jlibosva | aah | 14:54 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: thanks :) | 14:54 |
| jlibosva | #topic Control sending of on-link routes | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Control sending of on-link routes (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:54 | |
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| jlibosva | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1668145 | 14:54 |
| haleyb | kevinbenton: really a question for you - i proposed changing the Network model and API instead of a config value, can we still get that into Pike if it's acceptable? | 14:55 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459492/ is the change i just sent, but just realized the RFE isn't approved, but this looks more like a bug | 14:56 |
| kevinbenton | what i don't understand is why this isn't expressed using routed networks | 14:56 |
| kevinbenton | if two subnets aren't on the same l2 domain, that should be reflected in the api | 14:56 |
| kevinbenton | and once that's there we can put the logic on the dhcp agent to only add onlink routes for things in the same l2 segment | 14:57 |
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| haleyb | i think these are in the same L2 domain, that's why that code was added | 14:57 |
| kevinbenton | then why would you want to disable onlink routes? | 14:57 |
| kevinbenton | as far as i understand the RFE, the segments weren't directly attached | 14:58 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: to answer your question, this feature does look simple enough to land in Pike | 14:58 |
| haleyb | the original code assumed they were | 14:58 |
| kevinbenton | but i do want to make sure there is a use case | 14:59 |
| kevinbenton | right | 14:59 |
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| kevinbenton | the correct fix sounds to me like just ensuring that subnets are on the same segment | 14:59 |
| kevinbenton | inside of the dhcp agent | 14:59 |
| kevinbenton | before setting up onlink routes | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | we're on top of the hour, can we continue the discussion on #openstack-neutron ? | 15:00 |
| kevinbenton | sure | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | yes | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | cool | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | thanks everyone for joining | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 15:00:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-04-25-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-04-25-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| yushiro | thanks. byw | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-04-25-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| ralonsoh | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 15:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ralonsoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | hello | 15:01 |
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| davidsha | Hey | 15:01 |
| slaweq | hello | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | ok, let's start | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | #topic RFEs | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:02 | |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=qos+rfe+&field.tags_combinator=ALL RFEs | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1639220 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1639220 in neutron "[RFE] Introduce Network QoS policy "is_default" behaviour" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | this one is almost almost finished (like two weeks ago...) | 15:02 |
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| slaweq | :) | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | I solved the last problems and now I'm testing | 15:02 |
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| ralonsoh | but no more problems | 15:02 |
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| ralonsoh | I'll ask you for reviews maybe tomorrow | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | reedip, is this one on hold? | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | there is no progress so far, any problem with the spec? | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | ok, I'll try to ping reedip a bit later | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596611 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | It's also my fault: I didn't take care of this spec | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | I think it could be accepted this cycle | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | but it's a bit late | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | please, make the effort and review this one | 15:06 |
| davidsha | ack | 15:06 |
| slaweq | ok, I will look on it also | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1634798 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1634798 in neutron "[RFE] Qos DSCP to vlan priority mapping" [Wishlist,Incomplete] | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | I'll remove this one from the next list | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | it's incomplete and no feedback | 15:06 |
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| ralonsoh | next one | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1686035 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1686035 in neutron "More detailed reporting of available QoS rules" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | this one is new | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq? | 15:07 |
| slaweq | yep, I created it today :) | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | about bullet 1 | 15:07 |
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| slaweq | so basically after "improved validation" for rules was merged | 15:07 |
| slaweq | qos_available_rules call to neutron returns IMHO wrong data (not complete) | 15:07 |
| slaweq | currently it returns subset of rule types supported by all used drivers | 15:08 |
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| ralonsoh | yes, that was decided, if the qos policy is not assigned to any port/net | 15:08 |
| slaweq | so if we have e.g. sriov and ovs drivers than minimum_bw_limit_rule will not be shown as available | 15:08 |
| slaweq | because ovs is not supporting it | 15:09 |
| slaweq | and IMHO this is wrong because user can apply it to ports bound with sriov driver | 15:09 |
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| slaweq | so IMHO it should be changed that all rules supported by at least one driver should be returned in this API call | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | just the opposite | 15:10 |
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| slaweq | yep | 15:10 |
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| slaweq | that's my idea but maybe someone has got different idea :) | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | and if this rule is attached to a port/net, then check the qos policy and rules | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | is that correct? | 15:10 |
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| slaweq | when operator will want to attach rule (policy) to port/net validation mechanism will check if such rule is supported by this driver | 15:11 |
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| slaweq | and will return error if it's not supported | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | oooook | 15:11 |
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| ralonsoh | that's much better | 15:11 |
| slaweq | so it will be not applied | 15:11 |
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| ralonsoh | you are right: you can't avoid a user to create a min rule only because you have LB and SRIOV | 15:11 |
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| ralonsoh | for example | 15:12 |
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| ralonsoh | because you want to assign this qos policy/rule to LB | 15:12 |
| slaweq | in fact it's not avaided but now it's not reported to user that he can use it | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 15:12 |
| slaweq | now even if rule is not returned as available You still can create it | 15:12 |
| slaweq | :) | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | ok, perfect | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | and the second part | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | give more information | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | rules and parameters | 15:13 |
| slaweq | the second part is something what yamamoto pointed in review for ingress bw limit patch | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | yes, I saw this | 15:13 |
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| slaweq | he asked how user can discover via API that something like "ingress" direction is available in his cloud | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | I think we need to expand rule_types | 15:14 |
| slaweq | so IMHO we can provide new API call to show users details about what rule types are available for what drivers and with which parameters | 15:14 |
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| ralonsoh | yes: rule types, driver and parameters, the whole pack! | 15:15 |
| slaweq | I don't want to change response for existing API call because that would be very hard to do | 15:15 |
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| slaweq | ralonsoh: exactly :) | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | you mean to create a new API call, not to expand rule_types? | 15:15 |
| slaweq | yep, because probably it will be very hard to get merged such change of existing API call (compatibility, no microversioning, etc.) | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | ok, we can discuss this later | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | the second part | 15:16 |
| slaweq | but if You think differently, we can try to expand existing call | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | ok, if we need to talk a bit more, we can use neutron channel for this rfe | 15:17 |
| slaweq | yes | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | let's go to bugs | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Bugs | 15:17 |
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| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683365 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683365 in neutron "test_rule_update_forbidden_for_regular_tenants_own_policy fails with NotFound" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | I'm testing this one and reviewing the logs | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | I can't find the problem... | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | I need to talk to Ihar | 15:18 |
| slaweq | if You want some help, I can check it also | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | I'll ping you | 15:19 |
| slaweq | ok | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | because I'm having some troubles with that | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | I need a bit of time | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1676877 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1676877 in neutron "Increase "TestQosPlugin.test_update_policy_rule" coverage" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | I'll talk to reedip later, he's busy now | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1667138 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667138 in neutron "Minumum bandwidth can be higher than maximum bandwidth limit in same QoS policy" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | the same | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1657381 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657381 in neutron "QoS drivers need to implement a precommit for the actions" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: he is benn making progress on that one | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | been^^^ | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | I've looked at the patchset several times | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | which one? | 15:21 |
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| ralonsoh | 1667138 | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | yes, I've seen it | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | correct | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | 1667138 is almost finish | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I think so | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | just the last sprint, but now he is a bit busy | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | the latest comments have been on the unit tests | 15:22 |
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| ralonsoh | yes, small problems in the qos_plugin | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | but I don't think there is any problem in this patch | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | 1657381: this is ajo's patch | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | agree | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | I took care of it, I submitted the last commit 30 mins ago | 15:23 |
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| ralonsoh | If you have time... reviews will be appreciated | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: yeah I saw that you pushed a review yesterday | 15:24 |
| slaweq | ok, I will check | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | hadn't seen the latest one | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I am keeping an eye on it | 15:24 |
| ralonsoh | thanks | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | will review again | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | last ones, related to #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560961 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560961 in neutron "[RFE] Allow instance-ingress bandwidth limiting" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | API: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449831/ | 15:25 |
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| ralonsoh | OVS: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457816/ | 15:25 |
| slaweq | this one is almost done (I hope) | 15:25 |
| slaweq | and OVS is also ready to review I thing | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | yes, api is almost done (fast work!!!) | 15:25 |
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| ralonsoh | ovs: I have this in my TODO list | 15:26 |
| slaweq | I will now start also working on Linuxbridge | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | perfect! | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | add us as reviewers | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | I need to check OVS today | 15:26 |
| slaweq | ok, I will add all of You | 15:26 |
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| ralonsoh | next topic | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Other Changes | 15:27 |
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| ralonsoh | I moved the spec #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1578989 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578989 in neutron "[RFE] Strict minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | to this section | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle, how is the API to Nova going? | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: I've made some slow progress | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | I will be teaching a class during summit | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | so preparing my presentation | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | I know | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | will get faster after summit | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | good luck with this | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | ok, we will talk after the summit | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | I think this feature will be delayed to the next cycle | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | but it's ok | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | yeah but even in that scenario I want to make progress as fast as I can | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | for sure, and I'll help with that | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | that way we provide feedback to the nova team | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | which is really our critical path | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | yes, I know | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | is very difficult to make Nova changes.... | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | perfect, next section | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Open Discussion | 15:31 |
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| ralonsoh | I have nothing in the agenda | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | for this section | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | Enjoy your preps for the summit! | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | Thanks | 15:32 |
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| hichihara | ralonsoh: I have a question | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | please, hichihara | 15:32 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: Any updates about LB and OVS of minimum bandwitdh? | 15:32 |
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| ralonsoh | no: I abandoned the LB implementation, because it requires a unique QoS class for all the traffic in the ibt-br | 15:33 |
| ralonsoh | int-br | 15:33 |
| ralonsoh | that means a performance hit | 15:33 |
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| ralonsoh | also if you have several VLANs in LB, you'll have several LBs | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | the architecture is quite complex | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | and I don't see a method to implement it | 15:34 |
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| ralonsoh | and for OVS, after 9 months trying to deliver it, I abandoned the patch | 15:35 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: You mean that we can get SR-IOV only about minimum bandwidth? | 15:35 |
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| ralonsoh | now that's correct | 15:35 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: to be clear, complex implementation is for OVS or LB? | 15:35 |
| ralonsoh | do you have a possible architecture for LB or OVS for min-bw? | 15:36 |
| slaweq | because in LB there is no int-br AFAIK | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq, yes | 15:36 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: It's possible for me | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq, yes, there is no bridge | 15:36 |
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| ralonsoh | there is a bridge per VLAN | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | hichihara, which backend? | 15:36 |
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| hichihara | ralonsoh: both | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | hichihara, BTW, I submitted several patches during the last year with no feedback | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | for LB, how are you planning to do this? | 15:37 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: I thought you want to propose document to clear the coomplex implementations... | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | hichihara, yes. But just in a couple of lines: how are you going to implement min-bw in LB? | 15:39 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415144/ This is for OVS but I guess that we can use the tc_lib implementation for linuxbridge | 15:39 |
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| ralonsoh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415144/: this one is only for tunnel traffic (what you need, I now), and doesn't work with user space OVS | 15:41 |
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| hichihara | Actually the implementation executes TC to linux interface. | 15:41 |
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| ralonsoh | of course, is a valid implementation, but with limitations | 15:41 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: We must implement into user space OVS? | 15:41 |
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| ralonsoh | I now, you are using TC in the interface | 15:42 |
| ralonsoh | hichihara, what do you mean? | 15:42 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: yes because OVS doesn't support minimum bandwidth QoS | 15:42 |
| ralonsoh | it does | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | OVS uses the same scheduler as TC | 15:43 |
| ralonsoh | in fact, kernel OVS calls TC to setup it | 15:43 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, last quick question | 15:44 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: I didn't know... Could you tell me the point? | 15:44 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: I thought OVS support limit rule only | 15:44 |
| davidsha | hichihara: htb has a min_bw feature as well I believe | 15:45 |
| ralonsoh | if you implement the QoS rules using only the OVS interface, you won't have problems with other OVS implementations | 15:45 |
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| ralonsoh | e.g., user space OVS | 15:45 |
| ralonsoh | that's other discussion | 15:46 |
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| ralonsoh | LB implementation? | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: I have a couple of things I want to share with the team, but I am multi-tasking. When you are done with this discussion, please ping me | 15:46 |
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| ralonsoh | mlavalle, ok | 15:46 |
| ralonsoh | hichihara, LB implementation? how are you planning to implement it? | 15:46 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha, you are right, because OVS uses TC scheduler | 15:47 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: I just guessed that we may use above my patch. I'm not sure. | 15:48 |
| hichihara | ^^^ may be able to use | 15:48 |
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| hichihara | Actually I considered OVS only | 15:48 |
| ralonsoh | I spent 6 months in a LB implementation (buggy, not working as you know) | 15:49 |
| ralonsoh | First it's better if you share in a small document how are you planning to do this | 15:49 |
| ralonsoh | this is the best way to avoid working for nothing (like me) | 15:49 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: I think so. | 15:50 |
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| ralonsoh | perfect! | 15:50 |
| ralonsoh | QoS group is on fire!! | 15:50 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: I'll consider it again. Thanks | 15:50 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle, how are you sir? | 15:50 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: :D | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh, slaweq: this blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/instance-ingress-bw-limit | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | was discussed briefly during the last Neutron drivers meeting, this past Thursday | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton mentioned that he would like it to merge this cycle | 15:51 |
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| slaweq | patches for API and openvswitch are in review | 15:52 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq has the API working | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | I know | 15:52 |
| ralonsoh | I'll help with OVS right now | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | Just wanted you to knopw to be aware of that conversation | 15:52 |
| ralonsoh | btw, SRIOV so far it's not possible | 15:52 |
| ralonsoh | thanks!! | 15:52 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: and I also want it to be merged :) | 15:52 |
| ralonsoh | it's cool to know there is interest in that | 15:53 |
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| mlavalle | Last thing is next meeting will be during the Summit week, so I won't attend | 15:53 |
| ralonsoh | no problem | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | that's it. Thanks! | 15:53 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle for info | 15:53 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq, the future of QoS depends on you!!! | 15:53 |
| ralonsoh | hehehe | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | it does | 15:54 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: ok :) | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | no pressure! | 15:54 |
| slaweq | I will do my best | 15:54 |
| mlavalle | lol | 15:54 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: of course :P | 15:54 |
| ralonsoh | ok, guys, thank you very much | 15:54 |
| ralonsoh | I'll end the meeting | 15:54 |
| slaweq | thx | 15:54 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:55 |
| ralonsoh | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
| hichihara | Thanks | 15:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 15:55:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-04-25-15.00.html | 15:55 |
| ralonsoh | see you! | 15:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-04-25-15.00.txt | 15:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-04-25-15.00.log.html | 15:55 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 18:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping antwash, ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, notmorgan, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi | 18:01 |
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| cmurphy | o/ | 18:01 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | we'll give it a minute for some others to show up | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | ok | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | #topic mascot | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | based on feedback from a couple developers | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | the foundation did another revision of the mascot | 18:03 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115869.html | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | now we need to decide whether or not we want to stick with the original or formally adopt the new on | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | one* | 18:04 |
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| rodrigods | i like the first one | 18:04 |
| rodrigods | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5G9bO9bw3ObeHk4RG1MS1Zfak16cDdtWjlqUlBlRDRQTUZn/view | 18:04 |
| dstanek | does he have a name? | 18:04 |
| henrynash | (slinks in the back door) | 18:04 |
| dstanek | "roadkill turtle" | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | henrynash: o/ | 18:04 |
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| dstanek | henrynash! | 18:04 |
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| henrynash | :-) | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | ok - maybe a better question is do we want to adopt either of the new revisions or do we want to stick with the original? | 18:05 |
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| samueldmq | well, we do have an original version | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | right | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | and newer version doesn't look that different | 18:06 |
| rodrigods | lbragstad, do you have the original version handy? | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | some may like, some may not, we don't want to bikeshed I think :-) | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | no - the original version shaped the shell like a shield, which i thought was kinda cool, and that carried over to this version | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | but a voting could be fair maybe | 18:06 |
| henrynash | I’m ok with the one with the key in his shell (despite possibility of being had up for injury to protected species) | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | should we just vote? | 18:07 |
| gagehugo | I like both of the revisions, I'm fine with either | 18:07 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad I like either of the new ones better than the original | 18:07 |
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| rodrigods | +1 to just vote | 18:07 |
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| gagehugo | +1 | 18:07 |
| lamt | +1 | 18:07 |
| henrynash | vote! Oh Yes, like in teh UK we need anouther vote | 18:07 |
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| dstanek | i like them all equally. happy with any of them. | 18:07 |
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| henrynash | +1 | 18:07 |
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| edmondsw | +1 | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | #startvote should we adopt the new mascot with a key | 18:08 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 18:08 |
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| knikolla | o/ i'm late | 18:08 |
| henrynash | yes | 18:08 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: you have to give it the answers you expect | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | what in the world is the syntax? | 18:08 |
| cmurphy | #help startvote | 18:08 |
| cmurphy | :( | 18:08 |
| ayoung | Hello | 18:09 |
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| henrynash | #vote we pick a new voting bot technolgy | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | lol | 18:09 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#voting | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | #startvote should we adopt the new mascot with a key in the shell? Yes, No | 18:10 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should we adopt the new mascot with a key in the shell? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 18:10 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:10 |
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| henrynash | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| edmondsw | #vote Yes | 18:10 |
| rodrigods | #vote yes | 18:10 |
| cmurphy | #vote Yes | 18:10 |
| ayoung | hold on, still looking... | 18:10 |
| hrybacki | #vote Yes | 18:10 |
| spilla | #vote Yes | 18:10 |
| lamt | #vote Yes | 18:10 |
| dstanek | #vote sure, why not | 18:10 |
| openstack | dstanek: sure, why not is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 18:10 |
| henrynash | ayoung: the alternative is one with a dancing ardvark and a martini | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | ooo i want *that* one | 18:11 |
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| dstanek | #vote yes | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | #vote yes | 18:11 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I'm not looking to disparage the artist, but my silly "Here's Stoney" looks better than both of them | 18:11 |
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| knikolla | #vote no | 18:11 |
| ayoung | #vote Noneoftheabove | 18:12 |
| openstack | ayoung: Noneoftheabove is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 18:12 |
| gagehugo | #vote Yes | 18:12 |
| ayoung | #vote Sure Why Not | 18:12 |
| openstack | ayoung: Sure Why Not is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No. | 18:12 |
| ayoung | #vote yes | 18:12 |
| breton | #vote yes | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | anyone else? | 18:13 |
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| samueldmq | #vote no | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | #endvote | 18:13 |
| openstack | Voted on "should we adopt the new mascot with a key in the shell?" Results are | 18:13 |
| openstack | Yes (12): rodrigods, spilla, dstanek, ayoung, edmondsw, gagehugo, hrybacki, cmurphy, lamt, lbragstad, henrynash, breton | 18:13 |
| openstack | No (2): samueldmq, knikolla | 18:13 |
| ayoung | https://twitter.com/admiyoung/status/789179752531668992/photo/1 | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq knikolla is there something you'd like to see changed about the mascot? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | https://twitter.com/admiyoung/status/794739330937982976/photo/1 | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: actually I like one of the new versions. the one with the small key, not the big one | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | You all mean keyhole, right? | 18:14 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: well, the keystone is called keystone because it holds everything. the keyhole is redundant. | 18:15 |
| ayoung | I was voting to change the keyhole to a key | 18:15 |
| breton | lol | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | it seems most folks are fine with the new version | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | we should update the ML thread if there are specific changes you'd like to see made | 18:16 |
| ayoung | I still think it should reference a bridge | 18:17 |
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| lbragstad | otherwise it would be nice to firm this up with the foundation so that it doesn't change again | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | with a keystone in the shell. Not just a keyhole | 18:17 |
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| lbragstad | at a certain point, i think we're going to start trying to incorporate too many things | 18:17 |
| knikolla | ayoung: rather than e revision, that's a complete redesign. but i agree on the keystone. | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | we should include all the other mascots in the shell | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | lol | 18:18 |
| ayoung | knikolla, well, I mean, if they actually asked the TEAM that the mascot represents they would have known that | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | well - do be fair, they did | 18:18 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, or stack a bunch of turtles on on top of another.... | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | they asked us what we wanted and we said a "turtle" | 18:18 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, and then ignored us outright? | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | we provided no further details | 18:19 |
| samueldmq | I like that recursivity | 18:19 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, yes I did | 18:19 |
| ayoung | I did two POCs which I just linked | 18:19 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung did you communicate those to the Foundation? | 18:19 |
| ayoung | :) | 18:19 |
| ayoung | Lets move on | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | i'll leave the thread open for a week to gather feedback | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115869.html | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | then i'll send out a poll to vote on the versions | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | if we don't have feedback | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | does anyone have questions on the specs? | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | samueldmq you had questions about stuff proposed to Pike? | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: yes I did | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq go for it | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | I wanted to check the team is in sync with our goals to Pike | 18:23 |
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| lbragstad | this is what we've accepted for Pike so far - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/ | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/ | 18:23 |
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| lbragstad | i think gagehugo's spec for project tags is ready, i need to give it another review though | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: so "Extend user API to support federated attributes" is basically the only one that has been accepted but not implemented correct? | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq there were patches in review but they didn't land | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | policy-in-code is done and policy-docs is almost done | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ok, but from the not-yet-approved specs | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | what aer we targetting? | 18:25 |
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| lbragstad | i would say | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431785/ | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | and we need eyes on | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455709/ | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | for sure | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: nice | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: that was basically my question | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | i would expect those to get into Pike for sure, but I also think a lot of stuff is in limbo because of recent OSIC layoffs | 18:26 |
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| gagehugo | lbragstad: I think a couple security people were going to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447139/ some time this week if they get the chance | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: exactly, that's why I am asking too | 18:27 |
| breton | we need to do something with the trusts issue | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo awesome | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | to check if we needed to re-scope or something | 18:27 |
| breton | the spec i proposed was -1d and no alternative was proposed | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | just to make sure we keep moving | 18:27 |
| dstanek | breton: which spec? | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq i expect the recent events to cause hiccups, but i'm not sure what the ramifications will be until more dust settles | 18:28 |
| breton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437533/ | 18:28 |
| breton | dstanek: ^ | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | breton the immediate alternative from what I remember was to document things better | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ and to be honest, keystone has been suffering a lot with cuts lately. specially cores | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | which should be done anyway | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | I just want to help in any ways I can | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq right now that'd probably be spec reviews and policy documentation reviews :) | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: nice! ah, and we will probably Outreachy have intern (s) this year again | 18:30 |
| breton | lbragstad: sahara and other folks are still not happy :( | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | from May-August iirdc | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | 2, actually | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | iirc | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | 2 interns | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | rodrigods: yes, I've written intern(s) as I was not sure yours wass in keystone too, thanks | 18:31 |
| rodrigods | samueldmq, cool | 18:31 |
| rodrigods | the project i'm mentoring is the same for the last round | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | nice | 18:32 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: alright, I think we can start from those and keep moving :) | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | breton yeah - from what i remember we didn't leave that session with a silver bullet, | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | breton but we did agree to improving the documentation as a first step | 18:33 |
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| rodrigods | regarding docs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:tests_development_docs | 18:35 |
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| samueldmq | ayoung has a couple of things too | 18:37 |
| ayoung | I do? | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: what's the state of your policy in middleware proposals? just in need ofr reviews? | 18:37 |
| knikolla | rodrigods: fyi i had started to write https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448773/ which aimed to be a more comprehensive overview | 18:37 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, being actively worked on by knikolla | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | I remember teher were discussions on whether to pursue with that | 18:37 |
| ayoung | I have other things though | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | vs what's going on in policy-in-code, how we align with that, and so on | 18:37 |
| rodrigods | knikolla, awesome | 18:38 |
| rodrigods | do you think we should merge them? | 18:38 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: nice | 18:38 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, at this point, I've given up on matching efforts to releases | 18:38 |
| knikolla | rodrigods: i'll have a look at what you have and we can sync up | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | We'll just write stuff and when enough people complain about Keystone not having feature X it will get merged | 18:38 |
| knikolla | rodrigods: make sure we aren't repeating ourselves | 18:38 |
| ayoung | or it won' | 18:38 |
| ayoung | t | 18:38 |
| rodrigods | knikolla, mine is more on "writing" the tests | 18:38 |
| dstanek | knikolla: very nice. what's left to get it out of wip? | 18:38 |
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| knikolla | dstanek: for role-check-in-middleware? | 18:39 |
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| knikolla | or the docs for testing | 18:39 |
| dstanek | knikolla: no, your test doc | 18:39 |
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| knikolla | dstanek: mainly time to write it. | 18:40 |
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| dstanek | gotcha | 18:40 |
| knikolla | dstanek: i'm quite busy this week with the rbac patches. | 18:40 |
| knikolla | dstanek: i wanna get it done by the end of next week. for the onboarding and training stuff. | 18:40 |
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| samueldmq | knikolla: rbac patches? | 18:41 |
| ayoung | RBAC in middleware | 18:41 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, we are still presenting on it at the summit | 18:41 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: knikolla kk | 18:41 |
| ayoung | so please merge it for Pike | 18:41 |
| samueldmq | my main concerns on that was that we must have a plan on where we converge with the other efforts going on cross-project right now | 18:42 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, no | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | samueldmq, we merge it and tell them | 18:42 |
| ayoung | this is what keystone does | 18:42 |
| samueldmq | and don't care about cross-project then? | 18:42 |
| ayoung | we don't try to solve vm stuff for Nova | 18:42 |
| ayoung | RBAC is what Keystone does | 18:43 |
| samueldmq | I mean we should be solving things for OpenStack not just keystone, or just nova | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | sure - but in practice that's actually not the case | 18:43 |
| ayoung | Heh | 18:43 |
| samueldmq | when I say cross-project I mean all projects nto just nova | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | In practice we shout an the world ignores us and then Nova goes and does its own things and everything stays broken | 18:43 |
| ayoung | This can be done without breaking anyone, and without other projects input | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | so continuing that pattern doesn't make sense | 18:44 |
| ayoung | and it is optional, so it does not break anything | 18:44 |
| ayoung | and it solves a lot of problems and people will be happy | 18:44 |
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| samueldmq | so this way it doesn't look we're all part of the same ecosystem and part of a single big project: openstack | 18:44 |
| ayoung | and there will be peace throughout the realm | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | it'll just be a bunch of projects that can be put together | 18:44 |
| ayoung | openstack is Keystone and a bunch of services in the catalog | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | if we can't even agree in a solution for a common issue | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | in order to agree you have to spend time actually researching the issue | 18:45 |
| ayoung | so far, its been us and johnthetubaguy | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: yes and there is a policy meeting | 18:45 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, and that has been us and johnthetubaguy | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | it's cross-project, if just nova shows up, let's work with them | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | ok so let's work with him and catch more folks as we make progress | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | we're all making progress this time as I see | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | anyways, I still think cross-project is the right way to go | 18:47 |
| ayoung | Or we could just merge my spec, accept my patches, and actually have a solution | 18:47 |
| samueldmq | is it hard? yes, of course. | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | its not happening | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | samueldmq, I cannot spend years working on this any more | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | there were cross project meetings | 18:47 |
| ayoung | it was us and johnthetubaguy | 18:47 |
| ayoung | no one cares | 18:47 |
| ayoung | lets just fix it | 18:47 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: I am okay with your solution, I just want to make sure we're all converging to the same place at the end | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | otherwise it doesn't make sense to me | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | anyways I think this can be discussed in the next policy meeting | 18:48 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, no one else is really trying to solve this problem | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: they're still happening correct? the policy meetings? | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | yes | 18:48 |
| ayoung | every now and againm, some one pops up and realizes there is a problem | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | there was an email proposing them to happen montly iirc | 18:49 |
| ayoung | usually around read-only roles | 18:49 |
| ayoung | policy meetings have been weekly | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq that was the horizon meeting, not the policy one | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | ok I am sorry | 18:49 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: which day in the week? can you just put here again as a reminder? | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | I'll put my point in the meeting agenda | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Keystone_Policy_Meeting | 18:50 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, I spent 2 hours doing a video conference on this last week to the policy meeting folks | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: how did it go? the last meeting | 18:50 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, I think I talked over everyone and berated them into silence. As usual | 18:51 |
| ayoung | So...here is my challenge | 18:51 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: i think i have a better understanding of the overall direction. i still don't like the URL approach, but i don't think that'll change | 18:51 |
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| samueldmq | dstanek: nice | 18:52 |
| ayoung | Read the spec. Understand it. If you cannot come up with a better approach, or do not find a fatal flaw in it, support it on through. Please. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | dstanek, its the worst | 18:52 |
| ayoung | expect that there is no alternative | 18:52 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: I'll read it again | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | samueldmq, you coming to Boston? | 18:52 |
| samueldmq | I do have some concerns, let's talk about it a bit more in the meeting tomorrow | 18:52 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: yes I am | 18:52 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, then come to the talk, and the policy session | 18:52 |
| dstanek | ayoung: is it impossible to the the same text we use in policy today? like 'identity:do_the_thing' | 18:53 |
| ayoung | I acutally used a lot of the feedback from last week to try and make sure I addressed the most common problems | 18:53 |
| edmondsw | at the end of the day, the middleware approach still requires cross-project buy-in. It can only restrict things beyond what each project's policy.json restricts, so in order to use the middleware and add a role, for instance, you also need to edit policy.json files | 18:53 |
| edmondsw | right? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dstanek, need a way to map that to the operation the user wishes to perform | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: I guess we'd need to put the mapping URL->text somewhere in the middleware then | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw ++ | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 18:53 |
| edmondsw | so I'm leery of forcing that in without some kind of agreement cross-projetc | 18:53 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, not by default | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | ayoung the projects already handle that mapping | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | i'm hesitant to duplicate it | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, no no no they don't | 18:54 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, the only way it can be deduced is by reading code | 18:54 |
| edmondsw | at the end of the day, if nova tells people not to use the middleware, it's not going to get used. | 18:54 |
| ayoung | and it is different in every project | 18:54 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, they won' | 18:54 |
| ayoung | t | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | ayoung so how does nova translate POST /v2/servers/ to compute:server_boot | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | edmondsw: that's exactly my point. and I want to see, in the big picture, we're all working with the same goal, walking to the same point. | 18:54 |
| ayoung | edmondsw, at the end of the day, if Tripleo tells people to use the middleware, they will | 18:54 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, deep in code | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | exactly | 18:55 |
| dstanek | ayoung: samueldmq: ++ | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | nova does that - it's in the code, | 18:55 |
| ayoung | I'd have to look to find exactly that one | 18:55 |
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| dstanek | we already do it today | 18:55 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, its kindof like how keystone does it, based on the Python function name | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | we're duplicating it by adding an API to keystone (that will live for the lifetime of v3) | 18:55 |
| ayoung | look, policy.json needs to go away | 18:55 |
| ayoung | it will linger | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | but it is not a good tool for RBAC | 18:56 |
| ayoung | and it is not used for RBAC today | 18:56 |
| ayoung | URLs are the object refences of the Weeb | 18:56 |
| ayoung | web | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | not compute:some_operation | 18:56 |
| ayoung | URLs are the commited API of OpenStack | 18:56 |
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| ayoung | not identity:create_user | 18:56 |
| ayoung | they are going to call the Web API | 18:57 |
| ayoung | VERB + URL + BODY | 18:57 |
| ayoung | the python client can work with that | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | The policy.json approach will stay around for the one-offs, and for transition. I don't see it as something we really want to put any more effort in it | 18:58 |
| ayoung | in to? | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: I agree, the thing is how we get to that assuming that we have legacy code | 18:58 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, all laid out | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | and from the way we have been doing things | 18:58 |
| ayoung | the RBAC in middleware change goes in with 0 json changes | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: does the middleware approach replaces .json? | 18:59 |
| samueldmq | there can't be complex rules anymore, where there is a combination of role/context, for example | 18:59 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, not at first, for, say keystone | 18:59 |
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| ayoung | for Nova, you don;'t need a .json file anywauy | 18:59 |
| samueldmq | I am not saying this is the ideal, but this is what we have/allow today | 18:59 |
| ayoung | so there, you would use the middleware approach to do RBAC on top of Nova | 18:59 |
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| samueldmq | ayoung: let's continue in -keystone? | 19:00 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, if people want to continue to do complext policy, let them | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 19:00:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-25-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| ayoung | at least for now | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-25-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-04-25-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| fungi | infra team virtual group hug time! | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by hwoarang, odyssey4me, mordred | 19:00 |
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| cmurphy | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | and fungi, clarkb and pabelanger | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:00 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | present! | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 19:02:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| Shrews | presents? | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| fungi | #info Let fungi know if you hope to attend the PTG in Denver this September so he can get a rough head count | 19:03 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-18-19.02.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #action fungi put forth proposal to flatten git namespaces | 19:03 |
| fungi | still drafting a spec locally based on ttx's brainstorming etherpad | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/repo-name-shortening-impact Impact of shortening repository names | 19:03 |
| fungi | this has finally bubbled to the top of my to-do backlog at least | 19:03 |
| fungi | #action pabelanger Open an Ubuntu SRU for bug 1251495 | 19:03 |
| openstack | bug 1251495 in mailman (Ubuntu Trusty) "Lists with topics enabled can throw unexpected keyword argument 'Delete' exception." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251495 | 19:03 |
| fungi | i checked the bug a few minutes ago so assuming this is still outstanding | 19:03 |
| pabelanger | still ongoing, sadly | 19:04 |
| fungi | #action clarkb to add citycloud to nodepool | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/458621 Update citycloud to non demo accounts | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/458622 Add citycloud to nodepool | 19:04 |
| fungi | these are presumably wip until we know what regions we'll be using and confirm appropriate quota | 19:04 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:04 |
| fungi | cool | 19:04 |
| clarkb | I don't want to bug them but maybe I should | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| fungi | we don't seem to have anything new up this week | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
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| fungi | nothing called out specifically here | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic New propose job for OpenStack Ansible (hwoarang, odyssey4me) | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New propose job for OpenStack Ansible (hwoarang, odyssey4me) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/453130 Add 'propose' job for openstack-ansible-tests | 19:05 |
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| fungi | per the agenda, "Need to either agree to do it or reject it and proceed with manual syncing instead" | 19:05 |
| fungi | concerns raised are the usual outlined in our reviewing documentation | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/REVIEWING.rst?id=291daea#n51 Reviewing project-config: Proposal jobs | 19:05 |
| fungi | the stated use case seems similar to this change which we approved a year ago: | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/301375 Implement periodic job to update Puppet OpenStack constraints | 19:05 |
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| pabelanger | It might be worth reaching out to openstack puppet team, since they last did this and quickly revert it | 19:06 |
| fungi | well, they reverted the delorean proposal job, right? | 19:06 |
| pabelanger | IIRC, they got tired of +3 automated patches | 19:06 |
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| pabelanger | not delorean, but job promotion things | 19:07 |
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| fungi | ahh, i assumed "dlrn" was delorean | 19:07 |
| fungi | something else then, i guess | 19:07 |
| pabelanger | But, no objection from me, if they want to give it a go | 19:08 |
| fungi | the propose-puppet-openstack-constraints job seems to still be in place anyway | 19:08 |
| fungi | yeah, still in the periodic pipeline for openstack/puppet-openstack-integration | 19:08 |
| pabelanger | odd, maybe I'm thinking of some other one. | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | I'll dive into in more later | 19:09 |
| fungi | they removed their dlrn promotion proposal job | 19:09 |
| fungi | saw that in our git history when researching this current request | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | k, that must have been it | 19:09 |
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| fungi | ran successfully today for example: | 19:10 |
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| fungi | #link http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/propose-puppet-openstack-constraints/0595ba5/console.html | 19:10 |
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| fungi | hwoarang and odyssey4me don't seem to be present to discuss this, but does anyone disagree with the basic idea of 453130 anyway? | 19:12 |
| hwoarang | I am around | 19:12 |
| fungi | ahh, cool | 19:12 |
| hwoarang | I am happy either way. A job is convenient but we can also do it with a script | 19:13 |
| clarkb | could we maybe make them a python module and consume them that way? | 19:13 |
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| fungi | some things like the shared bindep.txt file may be hard to cover that way | 19:14 |
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| fungi | i guess it's a question of how much of the things which change frequently can be covered by a shared dependency, and whether what's left changes often enough to benefit from automated consistency | 19:15 |
| hwoarang | They don't change often to be fair | 19:15 |
| hwoarang | Since they are only used for manual testings | 19:15 |
| hwoarang | Not for the gates | 19:16 |
| hwoarang | Apart from bindep.txt | 19:16 |
| ianw | personally, we've had the devstack plugin doc proposal job for a while ... workflow seems to be fine, even though yes it could be done other ways. the bindep bit seems most convincing to me | 19:16 |
| hwoarang | Which should change once in a blue moon | 19:16 |
| fungi | it's always possible to make a different builder macro to use a shared bindep.txt from some central repository you maintain too | 19:16 |
| fungi | and if zuul-cloner's checking that out, you can reliably use depends-on relationships when changing it too | 19:17 |
| ianw | fungi: i feel like the bindep in the source tree should be the one ... otherwise aren't we making it quite hard for externals? | 19:17 |
| hwoarang | But we also need to consider local testing | 19:17 |
| AJaeger | cd | 19:17 |
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| hwoarang | We need to have a current bindep in place without depending on another repo | 19:18 |
| fungi | we had a similar discussion about the ~90 puppet module repos the infra team maintains, and decided to just stick with a shared gem as a dependency for the things we could cover that way and manually handle everything else on the rare occasion we need to change it | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | right thats why I'm wondering if something like pypi package would be good | 19:19 |
| ianw | gem, or a requirements.txt addition seems a bit different, since that's already a "go and grab it" type situation | 19:19 |
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| ianw | maybe if bindep had a "include from http" method ... | 19:19 |
| fungi | i'm not opposed to bindep including remote references, though that is a fair amount of added complexity and error handling | 19:20 |
| hwoarang | True | 19:20 |
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| pabelanger | ansible should be learning about bindep shortly: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/pull/22159 | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | so, it wouldn't be hard to write a playbook to fetch bindep.txt file first | 19:21 |
| fungi | so from my perspective, i'm not opposed to the requested job... but it is very easy to rely on automated code duplication for things where having actual shared dependencies is more appropriate, so have to make sure to avoid that temptation | 19:22 |
| fungi | it doesn't seem like it would be proposing new changes particularly often, so likely don't need to worry about the reviewer fatigue downside anyway | 19:23 |
| hwoarang | Yes i want to make sure all changes are in before the job is in place so we know only have one big round of reviews and that's it | 19:24 |
| hwoarang | Sorry typing from phone | 19:25 |
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| fungi | current list of files it's syncing are run_tests.sh, bindep.txt and Vagrantfile | 19:26 |
| hwoarang | Yes | 19:26 |
| fungi | which presumably are all similarly hard to cover with a python dep | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | ya, they don't slot in directly | 19:27 |
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| fungi | i'm inclined to approve it once the issue AJaeger has identified is corrected | 19:28 |
| fungi | AJaeger: any opinion on this since you've been the most engaged reviewer on that change? | 19:28 |
| hwoarang | so what we want to solve here is the vagrant bit | 19:28 |
| hwoarang | we expect users and devs to simply do 'vagrant up' and start the testsuite | 19:28 |
| AJaeger | fungi: I'm fine with taking it | 19:28 |
| ianw | i am also happy, per comment; modulo AJaeger's review | 19:29 |
| fungi | okay, cool. i feel like we've done some thorough diligence discussing it | 19:29 |
| hwoarang | for what we need Vagrantfile and run_tests.sh in the repo. Otherwise the user will have to fetch these files from omewhere else | 19:29 |
| hwoarang | *that | 19:29 |
| fungi | #agreed The use case for the "propose-openstack-ansible-tests-scripts" job put forth in change 453130 is sufficiently justified | 19:30 |
| fungi | thanks for bringing this one to the meeting hwoarang! | 19:30 |
| fungi | #topic What to do about debs for vhd-util and bubblewrap (mordred) | 19:31 |
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| hwoarang | thank you for all the discussion around it. | 19:31 |
| fungi | per the agenda, "PPAs on Launchpad seem to be sad, as does the backports process currently" | 19:31 |
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| mordred | yah. | 19:31 |
| mordred | so - according to SpamapS there is a dearth of humans processing the backports queue | 19:31 |
| jeblair | i don't know that i have what it takes to make them happy. | 19:31 |
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| mordred | this is the normal way we'd consume bubblewrap on xenial | 19:32 |
| fungi | there's of course the filthy option of building these and sticking them in a directory on tarballs.o.o by hand. not that i'm advocating for such a thing | 19:32 |
| fungi | but there's probably an acceptable middle ground between ubuntu ppa and that | 19:32 |
| clarkb | right so my idea for middle ground was to use nix | 19:33 |
| clarkb | we might have to make a nix package but then it would theoretically be useable on centos/fedora/ubuntu/gentoo/whatever | 19:33 |
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| ianw | fungi: not sure that's all that filthy ... since all the building is logged and repeatable. afs kernel modules for example | 19:33 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: I have gotten some feedback on backports | 19:34 |
| jeblair | other options include hosting our own .deb repo (apparently we're closer to be able to do that now after all the deb packaging work?). and another option is switch to another os. | 19:34 |
| fungi | ianw: well, ultimately i think we want some build automation to exist for anything we serve from tarballs.o.o | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | Apparently there's more or less 1 person doing backports, and he went on vacation last week. | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | using nix also potentially gives us a good answer for when people want $reallynewthing like libvirt or ovs in $job | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | Iain Lane has also basically suggested that the process is too cumbersome and they'd like to make backports more developer-self-service | 19:35 |
| fungi | it's not as if rerunning apt-ftparchive every time we upload a package into the directory is all that hard to implement if the desire is to host a deb package repository | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: help me out. nix packages are source only? Or they build in chroots for all abi's? | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | fungi: I agree.. hosting a small collection of no-change backports is quite simple and many many many shops do it. | 19:36 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: aiui its both? | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: you can bootstrap locally by compiling from the ground up or you if you can use published packages | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | building on deb package work will require some work, since it was debian-jessie based. However, not the end of the world | 19:38 |
| clarkb | and since nix installs are self contained if you grab published packages it just grabs all the published deps too and puts them in the install root | 19:38 |
| fungi | SpamapS: yeah, my script for it looks like this (makes secure-apt perfectly happy too wen my openpgp key is installed): http://paste.openstack.org/show/607916/ | 19:38 |
| clarkb | and in theory this will all just work except for the kernel because well that is harder to replace on the fly | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: yeah so, it is basically adoptiong nixos :) | 19:39 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: no | 19:39 |
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| SpamapS | just not the kernel :) | 19:39 |
| clarkb | no | 19:39 |
| clarkb | everything nix would be in its own curated corner that you'd opt into as the user | 19:39 |
| clarkb | adopting nixos implies a lot more changes | 19:39 |
| fungi | in /opt/into/nix! | 19:39 |
| clarkb | especially around image building and config managment | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, you're adopting nixos, for bubblewrap. :) | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | I like it | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | don't get me wrong at all! | 19:40 |
| clarkb | yes but not necessarily for zuul if that makes sense | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | It's a container approach really. :) | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | yes its similar to snaps | 19:40 |
| clarkb | or the flatpak stuff | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | which uses bubblewrap ;) | 19:40 |
| clarkb | but its been around longer and seems to be much richer | 19:40 |
| fungi | or rpath/conary, or... | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | right because its not actually doing process isolation | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | its just telling your linker and path and all that where to load things into memory | 19:41 |
| clarkb | once thats done its up to you | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | its just a fancy way of putting bits on the filesystem so that when added to your path they just work | 19:42 |
| ianw | like software collections? | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | ianw: ya except its on a per user basis and it dedups and does fancy things | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | anyways, I was just thinking that maybe instead of building $package x distro x releases we could make packages in a system that we'd set up once | 19:44 |
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| clarkb | snaps and flatpaks are other options here and they come with different garuntees and drawbacks | 19:44 |
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| fungi | so i guess we need short-term and long-term solutions... the vhd-util package is something we need a means of updating on our own and may not be able to wait for extensive package build automation to be implemented (be that nix or whatever) | 19:46 |
| fungi | and getting a bubblewrap package is a blocker for zuul v3 rollout | 19:46 |
| jeblair | what's the status of our .deb build automation? | 19:46 |
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| SpamapS | Whatever does the apt mirror building could just as easily process uploads from an incoming dir, yes? | 19:47 |
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| SpamapS | (not into the same mirror, but into the same afs) ? | 19:47 |
| ianw | i mean, i have no experience with any of those tools in production/dev-ops situations ... so not sure i'd have anything useful to add. TBH, the vhd-util stuff, a small periodic build and push to a tarballs repo seems fairly simple and well tested | 19:47 |
| jeblair | (i heard things happened for the openstack debian work, but i don't know what) | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | oh right there is already some deb build automation | 19:48 |
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| pabelanger | yes, openstack debian is still a thing, but currently debian-jessie based | 19:48 |
| * SpamapS forgot about that | 19:48 | |
| fungi | looks like it was working at least as of a few weeks ago | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | so, we can add ubuntu-xenial if needed | 19:48 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: iirc that shouldn't matter because you set the chroot to xenial and its fine? | 19:48 |
| fungi | #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/packaging-deb/deb-nova/uploads/2081d05921eafc724ccb99a7b02c2e58f42ddf26/ | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | then create a repo in reprepro | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | should be relatively straight forward. | 19:48 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: which is what we tried to get zigo to do in reverse when setting things up? | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: right, we'd need to write the build scripts for that | 19:48 |
| clarkb | oh i see the builds themselves are hardcoded to be debian-jessie | 19:49 |
| mordred | sorry - the sprinkler guy arrived right as this topic started | 19:49 |
| clarkb | they also run on debian-jessie instances | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | right | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | so, it would take a little work to move this to ubuntu, but I can help do that | 19:49 |
| * mordred can help pabelanger | 19:49 | |
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| clarkb | the running on debian-jessie is fine, we just need to make the builds target xenial | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | yes | 19:50 |
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| fungi | i wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair amount of the pkg-deb team's workflow assumptions baked into those jobs right now (as far as the repo being a fork of what's being packaged, specific branch naming, et cetera) | 19:50 |
| pabelanger | likely need to make some changes to our JJB publishers, so we don't upload to openstack debian repos | 19:50 |
| fungi | that too | 19:50 |
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| fungi | right now we just need bubblewrap packaged for whatever distro/release we're going to be running zuul executors on, right? | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | centos / fedora are okay today | 19:52 |
| fungi | and vhd-util for wherever we want to run nodepool builders? | 19:53 |
| mordred | fungi: yup | 19:53 |
| clarkb | and vhd-util doesn't have any distros that work since its a super local patch right? | 19:53 |
| mordred | yes | 19:53 |
| mordred | there is no work that I'm aware of for getting that patched vhd-util into a distro in a reasonable manner | 19:53 |
| fungi | i gather it's not anything any sane distro would ever carry directly due to being a fork of xen or something | 19:53 |
| mordred | I've also heard rumors that modern qemu-img can make working vhd images | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | but some rummors of rackspace using qcow2? or qemu-img? | 19:54 |
| mordred | but as of yet that has not been verified by anyone here | 19:54 |
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| mordred | pabelanger: no- just that qemu-img can convert raw to vhd that work on rax | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | ack | 19:54 |
| mordred | fungi: and then yes, getting bubblewrap for xenial is, I think, the other thing | 19:55 |
| fungi | also, on the bubblewrap front, debian does have packages (and backported to jessie too). we wouldn't necessary have to _run_ debian to use those, we could consider just using those packages on trusty or xenial since their dependencies can be met there with no trouble | 19:55 |
| clarkb | so sounds like we need something regardless for vhd util | 19:55 |
| clarkb | then we can decide if we want to piggy back bubblewrap on that | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | or use $otherpackagesource/distro/whatever | 19:55 |
| mordred | well - we can try to get qemu-img working for vhd and maybe drop our need for vhd-util | 19:55 |
| pabelanger | I'll do an upload today | 19:56 |
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| mordred | but yes, if that still doens't work (and yuck long iteration cycle) - we need a place to put vhd-util | 19:56 |
| jeblair | that might be a good first question to answer | 19:56 |
| fungi | curous if anyone has tried running the bubblewrap package from jessie/backports or from stretch | 19:56 |
| jeblair | since if we need it for vhd-util, may as well do the same for bwrap. | 19:56 |
| jeblair | but otherwise, lots more interesting options. | 19:56 |
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| fungi | mordred: do you mind if we punt your other topic to next week? or to the ml (feedback from current dib contributors would be nice to get first anyway) | 19:57 |
| fungi | to sum this up, if newer qemu-img and cross-distro bubblewrap solve these issues, then i wouldn't worry about $topic for now. otherwise we probably want a spec | 19:59 |
| fungi | well, s/$topic/automating package builds and hosting our own/ | 19:59 |
| fungi | and that's all we have time for today | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 20:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-25-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-25-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-04-25-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| fungi | next up, dhellmann doing his impression of ttx | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting tc | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 25 20:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 20:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 20:00 |
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| dhellmann | ttx is away this week, so I will be acting as chair for the meeting | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for TC meeting: cdent, dims, dtroyer, emilienm, flaper87, fungi, johnthetubaguy, mordred, sdague, smcginnis, stevemar | 20:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:00 |
| smcginnis | fungi: :D | 20:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| heidijoy | o? | 20:00 |
| heidijoy | o/ | 20:01 |
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| dims | o/ | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | 8, so we have quorum | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is in the wiki in the usual location | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| * rockyg does a quick shout out to the new members. congrats! | 20:01 | |
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| dhellmann | #topic Welcome new membership | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | Welcome to our new and returning members! | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | We have a few administrative tasks to take care of before we get into the main portion of today's meeting. | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | Your Gerrit rights should be set up, so you should all be able to RollCall-Vote +1/-1 changes in the openstack/governance repository; let ttx know if you can't | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | We currently use the openstack-tc mailing-list for administrative communication between TC members, like meeting reminders | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | The list is moderated for non-members, and the moderation bit was removed for all new TC members so you should all be able to post directly | 20:02 |
| EmilienM | in openstack/project-navigator-data also | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | IOW, you should all be ready to go and start voting and whatnot | 20:02 |
| cdent | ✔ | 20:02 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: +1 | 20:02 |
| * edleafe watches from the sidelines | 20:02 | |
| dhellmann | if not, that's a bug and ttx is the person to fix it | 20:02 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Reminder of current house rules | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminder of current house rules (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:03 | |
| dhellmann | We'll discuss potential changes to the process very soon, but in the meantime, a quick reminder of how we currently operate. | 20:03 |
| * flaper87 saw some votes from cdent and smcginnis so it should be fine | 20:03 | |
| dhellmann | Changes or resolutions must be proposed before Thursday 20:00 UTC for discussion at the meeting the following Tuesday | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | Sometimes we defer topics if there are too many to cover in one meeting | 20:03 |
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| dhellmann | We also need to discuss/mention topics during at least one TC meeting before approving them in a formal vote on the review | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | Ultimately, things are approved if there are more approvals than rejections, and at least 5 approvers | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | Though in most cases we just merge them when the majority (7 votes) is reached | 20:03 |
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| dhellmann | There are a number of standing exceptions to that rule (to remove most of the useless discussions from meeting agendas), all documented in | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/house-rules.html | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | For example, when a team adds a new repository, the change will be approved after one week if there is no objection. | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | it's the chair's responsibility to keep that list of reviews moving along | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | If there is an objection then it will be discussed at the following meeting | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | To facilitate finding the things we actually have to vote formally on, the chair marks them with the topic: formal-vote | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | I have found this review dashboard useful for keeping up with TC reviews | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | #link http://bit.ly/os-tc-dashboard | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | that was a big pastebomb, does anyone have questions? | 20:04 |
| * flaper87 loves the dashboard | 20:04 | |
| cdent | so, just to clarify: before something is a formal-vote we use code-review to indicate our pleasure or displeasure with a change | 20:05 |
| cdent | once the topic formal vote then we may, if we're inclined register a vote | 20:05 |
| cdent | yes? | 20:05 |
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| dhellmann | cdent : I don't think we're consistent on that. I never use the code-review status except when I'm voting as a PTL. Others seem to always use it. | 20:05 |
| cdent | dhellmann: yeah, that's part of my confusion, I couldn't identify the pattern | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | cdent: you can vote whenever, really. ttx keeps the topics updated | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | well, most of the time he does | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | other times some folks just use the right topic | 20:06 |
| cdent | I'll figure it out and develop my own unique style | 20:06 |
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| dhellmann | I recommend just using the roll-call voting level in all cases, so we can easily tell whether there's consensus on the TC vs. from other folks (which may indicate a need for more communication about something, even if we all agree on it) | 20:06 |
| smcginnis | Makes sense, I was confused as well. | 20:06 |
| fungi | yeah, it's not really clear so i tend to use code-review on these changes if there's a technical issue with the change, and rollcall-vote for roll | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | that has come up in the past, where we had a shared understanding that non-tc folks didn't have because they weren't present for a meeting somewhere | 20:07 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:07 |
| dtroyer | I've used code-review to indicate when I've looked at something in-depth (code-review-like) as opposed to agreement | 20:07 |
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| * fungi basically same as dtroyer then | 20:07 | |
| flaper87 | fungi: ++ | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | a roll-call vote is not really like a -2 on a code patch, since no one has veto power | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | so it's OK to use it | 20:07 |
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| dhellmann | does that help? | 20:07 |
| cdent | yes, thanks | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, cool | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | let's start looking some of the reviews we need to cover, then | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Approve new TC roster | 20:08 |
| smcginnis | Yep, thanks for the explanations. | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | Our first order of business is to approve the new results from the recent TC election. | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | Please review the results and the CIVS poll outcome and then indicate your approval or point out any issues | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | #link CIVS poll results http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_072c4cd7ff0673b5 | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | #link updating TC membership after April 2017 election https://review.openstack.org/458770 | 20:08 |
| edleafe | Does anyone ever vote against their being elected? :) | 20:09 |
| smcginnis | :) | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | I see 11 votes there, so no need to stop and discuss unless anyone has questions | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | edleafe : we did have a conversation once about whether it makes sense for the new members to be voting on that type of patch :-) | 20:09 |
| EmilienM | ship it | 20:09 |
| EmilienM | (ah, only ttx can do it) | 20:09 |
| edleafe | "I'm a fraud!!" | 20:09 |
| * flaper87 votes against EmilienM | 20:09 | |
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| dhellmann | yeah, we'll have to wait for him to W+1 all of these | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | #topic Elect TC chair | 20:10 |
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| dhellmann | We select our chair for each cycle by updating the governance repository. | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | ttx always stands, but he also always tries to encourage someone else to step up | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | If you would like to serve as chair, please propose a patch to nominate yourself ASAP so we can finalize the selection by the next meeting. | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | For example, here is ttx's self-nomination: | 20:10 |
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| dhellmann | #link ttx's self-nomination for TC chair https://review.openstack.org/458774 | 20:10 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: This is a 6 month stint, correct? | 20:10 |
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| dhellmann | yes | 20:11 |
| smcginnis | Maybe next time then. | 20:11 |
| EmilienM | the rule could change if 6 months is too long (maybe) | 20:11 |
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| dhellmann | it's tied to the cycle, much like the PTL role is | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | right | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | #topic Boston Summit | 20:12 |
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| dhellmann | oops | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 20:12 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: ok, got it | 20:12 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Boston Summit | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | any other questions? | 20:12 |
| fungi | since the chair is also sort of a liaison to the board and so on, having it change more often than every 6 months is probably counter-productive | 20:12 |
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| dhellmann | good point | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | fungi: ++ | 20:12 |
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| dhellmann | ok, moving on with more pastebombs | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | #topic Boston Summit | 20:12 |
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| dhellmann | A few reminders for those who will be in Boston | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | There will be a joint Board/TC/UC meeting, Sunday May 7th at 2:00pm | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | The agenda is mostly set at | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/7May2017BoardMeeting | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | The plan is to go through the various workstreams that were identified at the workshop in Boston in March | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | We can probably still try to add topics to the agenda if there is something urgent we want to cover. | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | Saturday May 6th, at 7pm, there will be a Staff+Board+TC+UC dinner, on the Level 3 of the Marriott Copley Place Hotel, Boston | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | RSVP at https://bostonboardofdirectorsdinner.eventbrite.com | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | I found out about that too late (my flight will be landing during dinner), but I hope the rest of you are able to make it | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | does anyone know for sure they will miss the meeting on sunday? | 20:14 |
| * smcginnis arrive early Saturday afternoon | 20:14 | |
| cdent | I'm still working on that. I had booked my flights quite a while back, but I'm working on getting them changed | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | good | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | dinner will be a good opportunity to meet the board and UC members | 20:15 |
| * flaper87 will attend both | 20:15 | |
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| dims | same here | 20:15 |
| dtroyer | ditto | 20:15 |
| fungi | also much of the foundation staff will be at dinner as well | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : yes, good point | 20:16 |
| EmilienM | I'll skip dinner, I'm flying on Sunday morning. | 20:16 |
| sdague | won't be at the dinner, but I'll be at the board meeting | 20:16 |
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| sdague | I do miss the days when the dinner was post board meeting | 20:16 |
| fungi | i agree that was my preference as well | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | yes, I think ttx said it conflicted with another event sunday evening | 20:17 |
| fungi | maybe in sydney | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | ++ | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | let's move on to cover some old business | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | #topic Adjustments to status:maintenance-mode tag definition | 20:18 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/457794 | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | this patch updates the new tag we approved last week with a few adjustments mentioned in the meeting and in the review itself | 20:18 |
| cdent | good tidies | 20:18 |
| EmilienM | looks like this one is ready to ship too | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | I don't think I caught everything, but I picked up what seemed to be the easy changes | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | I see lots of +1s, did anyone have questions about it | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | ? | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | ok, then | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | we'll wait for the votes to accumulate and for the next chair to approve it | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | #topic Presentation of User Survey findings | 20:20 |
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| dhellmann | heidijoy has provided some summary information, which I'll paste into the record now before turning the floor over to her for Q&A | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | #link A 4-minute video overview of report highlights https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/survey-2017/landing?BackURL=/user-survey/survey-2017/ | 20:20 |
| heidijoy | Hello TC! Thank you for inviting me to this meeting. I’m here to give you additional insights and answer questions you have about the survey. I want to be sure you have the most important links, which are all at www.openstack.org/user-survey - especially the 4-min video overview. Please feel free to ask me questions at any time. You can download the survey directly from this link, and I’ll refer to page numbers or | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | #link the full report https://www.openstack.org/assets/survey/April2017SurveyReport.pdf | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | #link interactive analytics tool http://openstack.org/analytics | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | She also wanted to highlight a few key findings: | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | #info Report represents 44% more deployments (nearly 600) and 22% more organizations than ever before, however, fewer total respondents | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | #link https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ihd6rw7efhdalj/1.1%20Compare%20to%20prior%20cycle.png?dl=0 | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | #info The majority of OpenStack users are on an unsupported release | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | #link all deployments https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hukz6lzaged46j/3.4%20Release%20used%20-%20all%20.png?dl=0 | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | #link deployments in production https://www.dropbox.com/s/wnlx6yx3t239wn2/3.5%20Releases%20used%20-%20deployments.png?dl=0 | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | #info NPS scores declined for users overall and for those with deployments - see the full report for verbatim comments | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | #link NPS scores overall https://www.dropbox.com/s/vejq9ou4xu8ytiu/2.2b%20NPS%20over%20time.png?dl=0 | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | #link NPS scores for users with deployments https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x2d56eor2dzpvl/NPS%20Deployments%20only.png?dl=0 | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | #info 12 projects asked specific questions to inform future development. See answers on pages 58-65 of the report. | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | #info See the report "Deployment Decisions" section (pages 42-57) for installation/configuration insights. | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have questions for heidijoy? | 20:21 |
| heidijoy | Thank you Doug! | 20:21 |
| heidijoy | To give you some context on our ninth semiannual user survey, this represents a snapshot of more than 1,400 completed surveys and nearly 600 deployments logged in the first two months of 2017—the largest sample of OpenStack deployments ever (44% more than one year ago). We believe results are representative of our community as a whole, revealing users’ attitudes, technology choices, and uses of OpenStack software. A | 20:21 |
| heidijoy | Oops - I got cut off: All OpenStack Foundation members, more than 70,000 people across 160 countries, were invited to fill out the survey. | 20:22 |
| heidijoy | Here are the key findings that we are working to share broadly: More clouds: OpenStack’s growth is demonstrated by rapid development of new clouds, with 44% more deployments reported on this survey. The average age of a deployment is less than 1.7 years. | 20:22 |
| heidijoy | Larger clouds: 37% of clouds have 1,000 or more cores, up from 29% last year, and 17% of clouds are running more than 1 petabyte of object storage, up from 4% one year ago. | 20:22 |
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| heidijoy | Diverse users: Users of every organizational size and industry find value in OpenStack, 32% have 10,000 employees or more, while 25% have fewer than 100 employees, and users hail from 78 countries. | 20:22 |
| heidijoy | Mature technology: OpenStack’s maturity is demonstrated by two-thirds of deployments in production and 90% or greater adoption of key infrastructure services (Nova, Neutron, Keystone, Cinder and Glance). | 20:23 |
| heidijoy | Deep adoption: The median user runs 61–80% of their overall cloud infrastructure on OpenStack, while the typical large user (deployment with 1,000+ cores) reports running 81–100% of their infrastructure on OpenStack. | 20:23 |
| heidijoy | While you’ll see certain charts highlighted for our marketing purposes, we intend this to be a solid and defensible report for the community - with qualitative and quantitative answers to key development questions. | 20:23 |
| smcginnis | heidijoy: I need to review yet, but do we have numbers for public vs private cloud deployments? | 20:23 |
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| dfisher | so, I have a couple of questions from the sidelines | 20:24 |
| heidijoy | @smginnis - Yes, we do have those, I'll grab the page number for you... | 20:24 |
| heidijoy | Please go ahead, @dfisher | 20:24 |
| dfisher | background: I'm a Solaris developer at Oracle. I'm the tech lech for OpenStack on Solaris | 20:24 |
| dfisher | Reading the user survey, i see the same issues time and time again. | 20:24 |
| dfisher | pages 18-19 of the survey are especially common points. | 20:24 |
| heidijoy | @smcginnis - go to page 26 of the report for Public/private cloud info. | 20:25 |
| smcginnis | heidijoy: Thank you! | 20:25 |
| dfisher | things move too fast, no LTS release, upgrades are terrifying for anything that isn't N-1 -> N. | 20:25 |
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| dfisher | these come up time and time again | 20:25 |
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| dfisher | how is the TC working with the dev teams to address these critical issues? | 20:25 |
| heidijoy | @dfisher you're right - we've seen these themes highlighted before. I'll leave it open to TC to discuss. | 20:25 |
| fungi | i think it comes down to member companies investing in making those issues priorities for their developers, first and foremost | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | I know some of the distributors provide longer term support, for example | 20:26 |
| edleafe | fungi: +1. I don't see the TC having a big role here | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | fungi: ++ | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | that's not necessarily the thing we have resources for upstream | 20:26 |
| dfisher | Kilo is still supported on Solaris 11.3 | 20:26 |
| smcginnis | It impacts us, but I do think that comes down to the distributors providing support. | 20:26 |
| fungi | though we are rolling out new plans to attempt to highlight these sorts of concerns for member companies who don't know where to invest their time | 20:26 |
| heidijoy | A main issue for the TC to look at is the fact that the majority of OpenStack deployments are on unsupported releases. You can see that chart on page 27-28. | 20:27 |
| dfisher | ^ exactly | 20:27 |
| dfisher | Kilo's been EOL'd for awhile now. | 20:27 |
| dfisher | but it's what we have on 11.3 | 20:27 |
| dfisher | Solaris* 11.3 | 20:27 |
| mordred | heidijoy: sure - main thing is that nobody provides any resources to work on kilo upstream | 20:27 |
| dfisher | yes, I know it's Solaris and not Linux and we've had *that* particular discussion before | 20:27 |
| heidijoy | The survey noted: "It is important to note that the Liberty release was end-of-life (EOL) and not security supported as of Nov. 17, 2016. Additionally, Mitaka will be EOL and not security supported on April 10, 2017. Combined with the still significant Juno and Kilo userbase, that means the majority of OpenStack users are on an unsupported release." | 20:27 |
| fungi | different distros are also picking different releases to "stabilize" on their own, without any obvious coordination between one another | 20:27 |
| dfisher | but it's a small piece of the larger problem. | 20:28 |
| smcginnis | dfisher: So if Oracle is not updating that to something newer, I assume they have resource to continue to support the older release? | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | heidijoy : are there still complaints about patch review throughput, or do those show up in other places? | 20:28 |
| dtroyer | dfisher: this isn't particular to Solaris or any given Linux distro, it is entirely due to how contributing companies allocate resources | 20:28 |
| EmilienM | dfisher: I agree it's a resource issue here. A lot of folks want a lot of things but the people who actually make it happen need more help I think | 20:28 |
| mordred | and each of the times we've discussed increasing the support window in the past, people have asked for it, it's been ok'd in some circumstances, but then nobody has shown up to do the work | 20:28 |
| dfisher | smcginnis: sadly, we don't. we're stuck on Kilo for now for internal political reasons. | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | I think the community has done a great job on improving upgrades from N-1 -> N and given the current resources I think that's already a huge goal... hate to be defensive and not constructive but... | 20:28 |
| heidijoy | @dtroyer I didn't see complaints about patch review throughput in any of the verbatim comments (there were about 1800 of them) | 20:28 |
| mordred | flaper87: ++ | 20:28 |
| edleafe | flaper87: +1 | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | Supporting upgrades from kilo to current would not only imply having to maintain the release but it has a *HUGE* impact on CI and the infrastructure used to develop openstack | 20:29 |
| dims | flaper87 : true, but it's hard to keep upgrading systems at the rate | 20:29 |
| mordred | said another way - I tihnk we'd love to support longer releases or n+2 upgrades or whatnot - but we simply have no humans | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | heidijoy : ok. that has been a complaint in the past, which would seem to be in opposition to the current complaint about going too fast. Maybe we exchanged one problem for another, or maybe different users have different perspectives. | 20:29 |
| dfisher | OpenStack, in general, appears to be managed by project teams (read: engineers) rather than a central body (read: the TC or maybe even the foundation itself) | 20:29 |
| fungi | flaper87: i think the concern though is that it's not possible to upgrade from n to > n+1 (e/g/ from n to n+2 or to n+3 without taking intermediate upgrade steps) | 20:29 |
| EmilienM | mordred: yes, that | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | dims: not saying it's easy but I do think it's something that distros will have to handle specifically | 20:29 |
| mriedem | dfisher: read through and grok all of this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-branch-eol-policy-newton | 20:29 |
| mriedem | ^ was the austin summit | 20:29 |
| mriedem | for newton | 20:29 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I think it's different users have different perspectives | 20:29 |
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| EmilienM | dfisher: is Oracle willing to allocate engineers helping us on doing release management? | 20:29 |
| mordred | I've had two different board members approach me during the same break | 20:29 |
| dmsimard | FWIW, from the perspective of a distro (RDO), even supporting an extra stable release (Mitaka) due to the Ocata short cycle was a significant strain on human and physical resource | 20:30 |
| mordred | making each side of the opposites of that complaint | 20:30 |
| edleafe | Perhaps we can get help to get some of those comanies that are going to be staying on an unsupported release to get together and... well, support it. | 20:30 |
| mordred | "things are too fast" and "things are too slow" | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | before we get too far into this specific issue, I want to point out that this may not be the best forum for it | 20:30 |
| fungi | basically the release-skipping requests are closely tied to the "lts" requests, since you need guarantees for one to be able to provide the other | 20:30 |
| heidijoy | @dfisher - I agree that eng teams seem to manage project output more than a governing body/ product management group | 20:30 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ++ | 20:30 |
| dfisher | EmilienM: obviously I can't speak for Oracle. I shouldn't even speak for Solaris but we don't have the staff in Solaris to support that. | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | we've had quite a few complaints recently about the speed of discussions in this meeting, for example | 20:30 |
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| dhellmann | and this is the sort of thing that really would be better served by moving to the mailing list | 20:30 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I think this is pretty far off the original topic | 20:30 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ++ | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: yeah, wonder if a late addition to the forum schedule makes sense | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | so, are there other questions about the survey or the results for heidijoy? | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: +1 | 20:31 |
| dfisher | please, please, please understand that I'm not trying to ask you about something that I want to just consume and not provide for | 20:31 |
| * flaper87 shrugs | 20:31 | |
| heidijoy | I know there is room for it - specifically for late adds. | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | dfisher: perhaps start a new ml thread ? | 20:31 |
| cdent | I've got one for heidijoy : | 20:31 |
| cdent | Is there any correlating done between type of survey respondent and the NPS scores? That is, do we know what type of user/contributor/deployer/etc does or does not like stuff? | 20:31 |
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| dfisher | flaper87: engineers get stuck on the "Solaris" and "Oracle" part of the email. I've done it before. | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | dfisher: But at the same time you've said Oracle can't provide support for it. So there's the catch-22. | 20:31 |
| heidijoy | Yes!! We've done a lot of those correlations. Pulling details @cdent... | 20:31 |
| dfisher | smcginnis: agreed 100%. What I'm trying to get across is what Solaris customers are telling us. | 20:32 |
| dfisher | my customers want an LTS. | 20:32 |
| sdague | heidijoy: as a follow on to cdent's point, are there key issues / factors impacting NPS over time | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | dfisher, smcginnis, flaper87 : please move that to the mailing list | 20:32 |
| dfisher | done. | 20:32 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: +1 | 20:32 |
| heidijoy | @cdent we looked at NPS correlations with user org size, which releases they are on, age of cloud (this one we showed in the report), | 20:32 |
| cdent | heidijoy: underlying my question is wondering whether upstream developers like or dislike openstack more than deployers or users | 20:33 |
| heidijoy | And surprisingly we didn't see correlations between NPS and demographic/firmographic data | 20:33 |
| heidijoy | Ah - that is something I could explore more and follow up on in the ML | 20:33 |
| sdague | heidijoy: I know in a previous survey there were some raw comment blocks, and pull quotes from those were sometimes useful. In much the same way as looking at all the TC vision responses in the raw provides some interesting insights that would get lost if it was just turned into numbers. | 20:33 |
| heidijoy | We did do a correlation study on user role in April 2016 with no sig differences | 20:33 |
| cdent | heidijoy: I'll look out for that, woudl be very interesting | 20:34 |
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| heidijoy | @sdague agree - and you'll find several pages of raw comments pulled from the ~1800 verbatim responses to our 3 qualitative questions | 20:34 |
| heidijoy | I'll promise to take action to follow up on NPS correlations with the TC mailing list. | 20:34 |
| heidijoy | Obviously we want to get to the bottom of this and reverse the trend. The NPS score declined significantly compared to one year ago: down 5 points among all users, down 10 points among users with deployments. Here’s a chart not included in the final report that looks at NPS for those with deployments only: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6x2d56eor2dzpvl/NPS%20Deployments%20only.png?dl=0 | 20:35 |
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| heidijoy | We included a lot of verbatim comments in the report from those who gave OpenStack a low NPS score and also from those who answered the question “what areas of OpenStack need further enhancement?” Also the Foundation execs have segmented NPS answers looking for trends and reaching out to users to help create a better user experience. | 20:35 |
| lsell | sdague pages 12-22 of the long-form report capture many of the raw comments | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | #action heidijoy follow up on NPS correlations with the TC | 20:35 |
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| fungi | this is also our first drop in nps since we started doing a periodic user survey, correct? | 20:36 |
| heidijoy | Thank you @lsell for the page numbers | 20:36 |
| heidijoy | When you read the report, you’ll want to dig into the "Deployment Decisions" section (pages 42-57) for installation/configuration insights. | 20:36 |
| heidijoy | One more thing I’d like to highlight for the TC is that 12 projects asked specific questions to inform future development. See answers on pages 58-65 of the report. | 20:36 |
| sdague | ah, the user perspectives bit, ok, will read through that | 20:36 |
| sdague | thanks heidijoy / lsell | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | are there any other questions or comments before we move on to the next topic? | 20:37 |
| heidijoy | Thank you! That's all from me. I'll leave you to digest and remind you my email is heidijoy@openstack.org if I can help with other follow up. | 20:37 |
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| dhellmann | heidijoy : thank you for preparing the summary and for making time to be here for the meeting today for the discussion | 20:37 |
| dims | thanks heidijoy | 20:37 |
| smcginnis | heidijoy: Thanks! | 20:38 |
| heidijoy | Very welcome! | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | I do think the history behind dfisher's question is something worth documenting. Does anyone want to volunteer to help with that? | 20:38 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: I can do it | 20:39 |
| smcginnis | There was really good info in the stable session in Austin on that. | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : thanks | 20:39 |
| jbryce | dhellmann: agreed. it continues to come up repeatedly and i don't think there's a universal understanding of the state of things and the reasons why it's that way | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : good, that's a good reference to have | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | EmilienM: it'd be great to gather feedback from smcginnis and mriedem on this | 20:40 |
| fungi | maybe we need an faq eventually, for easier reference in the future | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | jbryce : there seems to be an impression that the contributors are making up the things they want to work on, rather than being directed by their employers :-) | 20:40 |
| smcginnis | jbryce: Maybe worth some blog posts and some frank discussions with vendors selling support. | 20:40 |
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| flaper87 | these topics have been discussed by cinder and nova in the past (and other parts of the communities but those 2 come to mind) | 20:40 |
| mriedem | flaper87: it's more than just us, it's also vmt, stable team, infra team, qa team | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | fungi : that's what I was thinking. Something that includes a history not just of how often it has come up, but how much the request and response have been the same. | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | mriedem: I didn't say it was just you :) | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | It's all mriedem's fault. | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | I'll work with EmilienM on gathering some of that history, but if anyone has references please share | 20:41 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to gather feedback from smcginnis / mriedem / dfisher and document the history on why we don't have OpenStack LTS | 20:41 |
| EmilienM | is it correct ^ ? | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | that should work, yes | 20:41 |
| smcginnis | EmilienM: Sounds good. | 20:41 |
| EmilienM | well, for dfisher I need to discuss more and know exactly what's wrong | 20:42 |
| mriedem | also https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1k0mCHwRZ3_Z8zJw_WilsuTYYqnUDlY2PkgVJLz_xVQc/edit?usp=sharing | 20:42 |
| mriedem | if you don't like etherpads | 20:42 |
| EmilienM | mriedem: can you open the doc please?, | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | I know the reading I did recently on logging uncovered some interesting patterns | 20:42 |
| EmilienM | it's restricted | 20:42 |
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| mriedem | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1k0mCHwRZ3_Z8zJw_WilsuTYYqnUDlY2PkgVJLz_xVQc/edit?usp=sharing | 20:42 |
| EmilienM | mriedem: works | 20:42 |
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| dhellmann | mriedem : nice, thanks | 20:42 |
| mriedem | and yes i make charts for non presentation sessions | 20:43 |
| dims | :) | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else on this topic before we move on? | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | #topic Update diversity tags | 20:44 |
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| dhellmann | It is time to take care of maintenance on some of the tags that need to be updated regularly. | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | ttx has put together an update for the team diversity tags based on recent statistics | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/448667 | 20:44 |
| johnsom | o/ In case there are questions for us | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | cdent , I know you had a question about this one. did dtroyer's response answer it? | 20:44 |
| cdent | yeah, dtroyer's response was good enough for me | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | did anyone else have questions? | 20:45 |
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| * dhellmann checks the latest revision | 20:45 | |
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| dhellmann | I believe we say we'll do this review every cycle, but I don't think there is anything stopping us from doing it more often | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | well, I may be wrong there, it says "should be updated around the same time as the 6 month release" | 20:46 |
| smcginnis | There are some interesting comments in there from johnsom about how those numbers are calculated. | 20:46 |
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| fungi | also anyone who's interested can run it themselves and ask that we perform an interim update | 20:47 |
| fungi | i'm curious if there are reasons for making it once a cycle only | 20:47 |
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| fungi | or if that was just to address expectations that it's automatically reassessed more often | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | johnsom : yes, the rules as written say no one organization should represent more than 50% of any one of a list of several criteria. It seems the review stats are what changed in this case. | 20:49 |
| johnsom | Yep | 20:49 |
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| johnsom | Frankly, recent events will make that metric worse. | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | fungi : I think that was to ensure we did it regularly, but the phrasing may not have captured all of the subtleties of "we can do this more often, if needed" | 20:49 |
| mordred | johnsom: yah. :( | 20:49 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I would imagine so | 20:49 |
| EmilienM | timebox: we have 3 more topics and 10 min left | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | johnsom : were you objecting to the definition of the tag, or the calculations? | 20:50 |
| mordred | johnsom: especially since the #1 feature people want from the user survey for networking is "software load balancing" | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : thanks | 20:50 |
| fungi | johnsom: if the people involved find sponsorship to continue upstream from different employers, then it could actually improve? | 20:50 |
| johnsom | mordred Grin, for the second year running. | 20:50 |
| mordred | johnsom: \o/ | 20:50 |
| dhellmann | we're going to have to start recruiting users to fund developers at some point, so they get exactly what they want :-) | 20:50 |
| johnsom | My concern was about perceptions of what this metric means and the way it is calculated. I think my thoughts in the comments. | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | ok | 20:51 |
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| dhellmann | I think any discussion of redefining the tag will need to be handled separately | 20:51 |
| fungi | or convincing the users who are funding developers to change their minds about what they want to fund a little less often ;) | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | fungi : or that | 20:51 |
| johnsom | fungi We lost one core, from outside of Rackspace, so the number will weigh heavier towards Rackspace now | 20:51 |
| fungi | ahh | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | as EmilienM points out, we have some other topics to cover | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | #topic Next steps (if any) for Driver teams and networking-cisco's standing request | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/403829 | 20:52 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/403836 | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/363709 | 20:52 |
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| dhellmann | I originally raised this issue, and it was put on the backlog until thingee had some time to do some work exposing driver status | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | is there an update on that work? | 20:52 |
| EmilienM | fungi: you made a good point | 20:52 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | thingee : where do things stand with the driver log work? | 20:53 |
| thingee | project config work for new repo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452556/ | 20:53 |
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| thingee | and inclusion in projects yaml https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452548/ | 20:53 |
| thingee | and until I have a repo the work is being done here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330027/ | 20:54 |
| thingee | taking over for ankur-gupta-f4 now | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | thingee : have you had a chance to talk to the Cisco team about whether this would address their concerns? | 20:54 |
| thingee | I have not received responses | 20:54 |
| thingee | so I'm not sure the original person cares anymore? | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | I still have my concerns about the fact that they've been disenfranchised, but I'm curious to know their perspective on the driver log | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | yes, well, there were always the 2 sides to the issue. I set my concern aside until some of this work was done. | 20:55 |
| * ijw (who has a standing alert on 'Cisco') can find you someone to talk to, if that helps | 20:55 | |
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| dhellmann | thingee, can you work with ijw to find the right contact? | 20:56 |
| thingee | this example is being tested against nova and neutron for building their matrices. designate on the other hand might require some tweaking with their support-matrix.ini file | 20:56 |
| thingee | but it should all the same in the end of what's rendered today with this disjointed script | 20:56 |
| thingee | dhellmann: yes | 20:56 |
| thingee | ijw: hi! | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | thingee : ok, thanks | 20:56 |
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| dhellmann | let's squeeze in one more item before we have to yield the room | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | #topic Abandoning the weekly meeting | 20:57 |
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| dhellmann | the time we have won't do this topic justice, but flaper87 do you want to introduce it? | 20:57 |
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| flaper87 | yeah, super quick | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | I proposed a resolution a couple of mins before the meeting (sorry for the delay) so I'll just paste some context here: | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | Review: https://review.openstack.org/459848 | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/459848 | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | I have more context but it's all pretty much in the review's commit message | 20:57 |
| EmilienM | let's postpone it to next meeting, since topics have to be proposed before Thursday :-P | 20:57 |
| smcginnis | I understand the argument for it, but I do like having a set time every week to make sure things get done. | 20:57 |
| flaper87 | I'm not good at writing resolutions so, please, help me out there | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : yes, we wouldn't approve it this week, but it was on the agenda | 20:58 |
| fungi | EmilienM: the topic was proposed before, just not the resolution ;) | 20:58 |
| EmilienM | fungi: oops | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | smcginnis: the assumption we need this meeting to get things done is something I'd like to get rid off | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | I'd like us to be proactive *outside* the meeting | 20:58 |
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| EmilienM | flaper87: thanks for bringing this topic up, some teams in OpenStack have the same question for themselves | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | not 5 mins the meeting happens | 20:58 |
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| flaper87 | sorry, that came out a bit snarky, it was not my intention | 20:58 |
| mordred | I like the idea of us being proactive outside the meeting - and of making the meetings be more "as it becomes clear we need a meeting to talk about a thing" | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | mordred: ++ | 20:59 |
| sdague | yeh, at the same time, we do always seem to be running out of time at meetings | 20:59 |
| fungi | i like the meeting as an "office hours" and maybe we don't need quorum | 20:59 |
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| dhellmann | yes | 20:59 |
| mordred | if we do that, maybe we sohuldalso have some sort of "office hours" where people can count on TC people to be in a place on IRC and easy to reach | 20:59 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | fungi : office hours is a useful idea | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | ok, let's start the discussion on the review | 20:59 |
| jeblair | while it's not ideal, i find the weekly meeting helps keep me involved without needing to read *everything* on the mailing list. basically, if we change this, let's try to make sure it doesn't make it harder for people to keep up or be involved in things they don't have 100% time for. | 20:59 |
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| EmilienM | @all for open discussion, some TC members (/me included) remain available on #openstack-dev | 20:59 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : I share your concern | 21:00 |
| smcginnis | jeblair: I agree | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | jeblair++ | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | fungi: that will end up in almost the same guys always showing up | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | speaking of time, we're out of it | 21:00 |
| fungi | yes, the communication team will have their work cut out for them | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | if you make a meeting at 23:00 my time optional, you can be sure I won't attend | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | thank you all! | 21:00 |
| mordred | but I think we could also have staggered "office hours" so that non-US TC members aren't quite so disadvantaged | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | my brain is fried and drunk at that time | 21:00 |
| smcginnis | mordred: +1 | 21:00 |
| smcginnis | flaper87: Hah! | 21:00 |
| dtroyer | thank you dhellmann | 21:00 |
| fungi | thanks for chairing, dhellmann! | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: thanks a bunch for chairing | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: thanks! | 21:00 |
| cdent | office hours ++ | 21:01 |
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| dhellmann | next week your regular ttx should be back in the hot seat | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 25 21:01:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-25-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-25-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-04-25-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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