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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 03:01:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-02-28_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| pksingh | Pradeep | 03:01 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:01 |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:01 |
| lakerzhou | lakerzhou | 03:01 |
| Wenzhi | Wenzhi | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting pksingh kevinz Namrata lakerzhou Wenzhi | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | #topic Project mascot | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project mascot (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112516.html | 03:02 |
| hongbin | this is a continued discussion from the last meeting | 03:02 |
| hongbin | we need to choose a team mascot to repersent zun | 03:03 |
| hongbin | so far, the proposed mascot is | 03:03 |
| hongbin | Barrel | 03:03 |
| hongbin | Storks | 03:03 |
| hongbin | Falcon | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | Dolphins | 03:03 |
| hongbin | Tiger | 03:03 |
| hongbin | any other proposal? | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | seems no :) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | i was told that barrel falcon are not a good choice | 03:04 |
| eliqiao | haha ... | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | barrel is not animal or natual element, so disqualify | 03:05 |
| hongbin | falcon seems to be chosen by other team | 03:05 |
| eliqiao | how about mythi | 03:05 |
| hongbin | what is left is | 03:05 |
| hongbin | mythi? | 03:05 |
| lakerzhou | seems fish/ocean animals are popular for container projects | 03:05 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: what is mythi? picture? | 03:06 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: yes, it seems it is | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: you have a proposal? | 03:06 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: wait a min | 03:06 |
| lakerzhou | I vote for dolphin | 03:06 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: ack | 03:07 |
| eliqiao | https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj57ZP257HSAhUN5WMKHSnZD4sQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.30yes.com%2Fcontent%2F99531.html&bvm=bv.148073327,d.cGc&psig=AFQjCNE7qQHCJ5FR6N4PQeJ15GAJkkOIlg&ust=1488337626958245 hongbin | 03:07 |
| Wenzhi | ah... Pi Xiu | 03:08 |
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| pksingh | eliqiao: page in chineese :(, i cant read it | 03:08 |
| eliqiao | yep :) | 03:08 |
| hongbin | i am from chinese, but i still don't know what is pi xiu :) | 03:09 |
| hongbin | first time see t | 03:09 |
| hongbin | it | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | interesting | 03:09 |
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| eliqiao | http://www.wentaisun.co.uk/culture.php?culture_id=5 hongbin pksingh | 03:10 |
| Wenzhi | it's a mythical animal | 03:10 |
| eliqiao | Pi Xiu | 03:10 |
| eliqiao | Wenzhi: :) | 03:10 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: ok, thanks for the proposal | 03:10 |
| hongbin | any other proposed mascot? | 03:10 |
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| pksingh | eliqiao: thanks for english version | 03:11 |
| hongbin | ok, if nothing else, let's have a vote | 03:11 |
| hongbin | here is the choice | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | 1. Storks | 03:11 |
| hongbin | 2. Dolphins | 03:11 |
| hongbin | 3. Tiger | 03:12 |
| hongbin | 4. Pi Xiu | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | all, happy voting | 03:12 |
| hongbin | no vote? | 03:13 |
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| pksingh | 2 | 03:13 |
| lakerzhou | 2 | 03:13 |
| eliqiao | 4 :) | 03:13 |
| Wenzhi | 2 | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:13 |
| hongbin | Namrata: ^^ | 03:13 |
| Namrata | hi | 03:14 |
| Namrata | dolphins | 03:14 |
| kevinz | hi I prefer 2 | 03:14 |
| Wenzhi | eliqiao: seems Pi Xiu is not a natural element either | 03:14 |
| hongbin | ok, all thanks for your vote | 03:14 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: ^^ | 03:14 |
| hongbin | i am not sure if it is nature as well | 03:14 |
| hongbin | but we decided 2 | 03:15 |
| hongbin | Dolphins | 03:15 |
| Wenzhi | Go Dolphins | 03:15 |
| eliqiao | K. cool.. | 03:15 |
| hongbin | #agreed choose dolphins as the zun team mascot | 03:15 |
| hongbin | ok, move on | 03:15 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (diga) | 03:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (diga) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:15 | |
| hongbin | it seems diga is not here | 03:15 |
| hongbin | anyone else want to discuss this topic? | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | ok, next one | 03:16 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr integration (hongbin) | 03:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kuryr integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:16 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/kuryr-integration The BP | 03:16 |
| hongbin | for this one, i am waiting for the kuryr patches to merge | 03:17 |
| hongbin | i will continue to work on it | 03:17 |
| hongbin | any question for this bp? | 03:17 |
| pksingh | hongbin: i have one question | 03:17 |
| hongbin | pksingh: go ahead | 03:18 |
| pksingh | hongbin: if user create any network, would you pass that to nova docker driver in nics option? | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: i haven't thought through it carefully | 03:19 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: i will try to get the native docker driver work at the first iteration | 03:20 |
| pksingh | hongbin: actually i was thinking we should, because you are implementing the same in docker driver, but not sure | 03:20 |
| hongbin | pksingh: then, i check if it fits into nova-docker in the second iteration | 03:20 |
| pksingh | hongbin: cool | 03:20 |
| hongbin | pksingh: yes, i am open to that | 03:20 |
| pksingh | hongbin: i tried this day before yesterday and it works :) | 03:21 |
| hongbin | ok, any other question? | 03:21 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto) | 03:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:22 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427007/ The spec | 03:22 |
| hongbin | it looks sudipta is not here, i can update on behalf | 03:22 |
| hongbin | i worked with sudipta to submit a few patches for this | 03:23 |
| hongbin | first, there is a spec | 03:23 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427007/ | 03:23 |
| hongbin | he revised the spec to make it simple at the first iteration | 03:23 |
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| pksingh | hongbin: will look into it today | 03:24 |
| hongbin | we tried the resource provider model, but found it is very complicated | 03:24 |
| hongbin | pksingh: ack | 03:24 |
| hongbin | after dicussion, we decided to switch to a simpler model (compute_node model) | 03:24 |
| hongbin | we will switch to the resource_provider model later, possibly after nova split out its scheduler | 03:25 |
| hongbin | that is the plan | 03:25 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: ACK, we can switch back to resource provider after it get implemented. | 03:25 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: yes | 03:25 |
| pksingh | agree | 03:25 |
| eliqiao | maybe 3/4 release later. | 03:25 |
| hongbin | yes, and we pushed up a few patches for that | 03:25 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436714/ | 03:25 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436572/ | 03:26 |
| hongbin | the first patch is the datamodel | 03:26 |
| hongbin | the second patch is the basic for inventory numa resources | 03:26 |
| hongbin | that is all from my side | 03:26 |
| hongbin | any question? | 03:27 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #topic Discussion of the image API | 03:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of the image API (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:27 | |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-image-api the etherpad | 03:27 |
| hongbin | it looks there are a lot of discussion of the image api | 03:28 |
| hongbin | so i created an etherpad to let everyone work on the design | 03:28 |
| hongbin | all, please feel free to cast your input to the etherpad | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | we can revisit the etherpad in the next meeting | 03:28 |
| hongbin | any comment for the image api? | 03:29 |
| pksingh | are we discussing on etherpad? | 03:29 |
| hongbin | pksingh: yes, we can | 03:29 |
| pksingh | that would be better | 03:30 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: do you have any comment to bring it up here, or prefer to work on the etherpad later? | 03:30 |
| pksingh | hongbin: i have the same comment, if we want to have the API, then we can go ahead as suggested in etherpad | 03:31 |
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| hongbin | pksingh: ok | 03:31 |
| hongbin | then, next topic | 03:31 |
| hongbin | #topic Use 'uuid' instead of 'id' as object ident in data model (Wenzhi) | 03:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Use 'uuid' instead of 'id' as object ident in data model (Wenzhi) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:31 | |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112585.html | 03:31 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: want to lead this discussion? | 03:32 |
| Wenzhi | Ok | 03:32 |
| Wenzhi | per the feedback form the maillist, seems everyone agree with this proposal -- replace 'id' with 'uuid' | 03:32 |
| Wenzhi | actually I already replaced the 'id' with 'uuid' in etcd API backend for containers/images | 03:33 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: yes, it seems so | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | cool | 03:34 |
| hongbin | then, we need to work on the sql side | 03:34 |
| Wenzhi | I plan to leave the sql side as it is by now | 03:34 |
| Wenzhi | and start with etcd side | 03:34 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:35 |
| Wenzhi | if everything goes fine, then we can modify the sql side | 03:35 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:35 |
| pksingh | Wenzhi: +1 | 03:35 |
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| kevinz | Wenzhi: +1 | 03:36 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: mind creating a bp for the sql side when the finished the etcd side? | 03:36 |
| Wenzhi | hongbin:sure | 03:36 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: thx | 03:36 |
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| hongbin | #action Wenzhi created a bp for migrate from 'id' to 'uuid' in the sql backend once the etcd backend is finishing migration | 03:36 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:37 |
| hongbin | any other comment on this topic? | 03:37 |
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| hongbin | then, move to the last topic in the agenda | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition | 03:38 |
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| hongbin | Wenzhi: kevinz : any of you want to lead this topic? | 03:38 |
| kevinz | Hi hongbin | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437759/ | 03:38 |
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| kevinz | we just finish the WIP specs for this | 03:39 |
| Wenzhi | yes, still need to address some comments | 03:39 |
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| hongbin | Wenzhi: ack | 03:40 |
| kevinz | Right, we've introduce the new object "capsule", the same as the compose or pod | 03:40 |
| hongbin | yes, there is one thing we need to give it more thoughts | 03:41 |
| hongbin | that is how do you like to design the "capsule", i.e. make it as compose, or make it as a pod | 03:42 |
| hongbin | or make it between docker compose and k8s pod | 03:43 |
| lakerzhou | what is the use case of the capsule? pod is specific to k8s. | 03:43 |
| Wenzhi | IMO we can make it a 'pod', and add support for docker compose file | 03:43 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: there is a demand to run multiple container and patch them into the same host | 03:44 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: i think the use case is simple, run a containerized application that are comprosed with multiple containers | 03:45 |
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| hongbin | Wenzhi: ack | 03:45 |
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| Wenzhi | yes, the user cases are just like k8s pod | 03:45 |
| hongbin | any other comment about the pod vs compose debate? | 03:46 |
| pksingh | so it will be like POD correct? | 03:47 |
| hongbin | pksingh: that depends on how we designed it | 03:47 |
| hongbin | pksingh: we can make it like a k8s pod or a docker compose | 03:48 |
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| pksingh | in future if we are going to integrate with k8, then i think we may need pod like thing | 03:48 |
| hongbin | pksingh: yes, it might | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | it seems most people prefer to make it like a pod? | 03:50 |
| pksingh | +1 for pod | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | ok, we can continue the discussion in the review | 03:51 |
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| kevinz | OK | 03:51 |
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| Wenzhi | ack | 03:52 |
| hongbin | my suggestion is to take care the portability | 03:52 |
| hongbin | for example, if we make it as a pod, make sure the file format are similar to pod | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | then, users can easily migrate between pod and capsule | 03:52 |
| Wenzhi | got it | 03:53 |
| kevinz | ack, thanks hongbin | 03:53 |
| pksingh | hongbin: +1 | 03:53 |
| hongbin | ok, then let's enter open discussion | 03:53 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:53 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: i knew you were working hard on the heat side, do you want to give some updates? | 03:53 |
| Namrata | Hongbin I will update the patches today | 03:54 |
| Namrata | no other updates | 03:54 |
| hongbin | Namrata: ack | 03:54 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: i saw those patches, which will look very good after addressing the outstanding comments | 03:55 |
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| Namrata | yes.I will work on that | 03:55 |
| Namrata | thanks for the help hongbin | 03:55 |
| hongbin | Namrata: thanks for the work | 03:55 |
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| hongbin | all, do you have any other topic to bring up? | 03:56 |
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| hongbin | it seems no | 03:57 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting | 03:57 |
| pksingh | bye all | 03:57 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 03:57:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-02-28-03.01.html | 03:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-02-28-03.01.txt | 03:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-02-28-03.01.log.html | 03:57 |
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| samP | hi all.. | 04:00 |
| sagara | samP: Hi | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 04:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all, right after PTG.. | 04:01 |
| samP | lets start with bugs... | 04:01 |
| samP | #topic open bugs | 04:01 |
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| tpatil | # link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513 | 04:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:01 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:01 |
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| tpatil | Need feedback on Dinesh's comment on LP bug | 04:02 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | # link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513/comments/5 | 04:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:03 |
| sagara | I agree Dinesh opinion. I also Masakari should maintain the vm_state before recovery. | 04:04 |
| samP | I agree that we need to maintain the consistency for VM state. Hoever rescue VM has same issue, right? | 04:04 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: yes | 04:05 |
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| samP | OK, then solution is, store the previous state of the VM and, return it to previous state after doing recovery | 04:06 |
| samP | I mean, the solution should be a general one for all cases. | 04:06 |
| tpatil | samP: At the time of instance recovery action, if the vm is in paused vm state, then what should be the final vm state after executing recovery action? | 04:07 |
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| tpatil | samP: this question is in context of the scenario highlighted in above LP bug | 04:08 |
| samP | tpatil: I think we can not use reset-state api to set the state to PAUSED, right? | 04:09 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: yes, we can only set to error or active | 04:09 |
| samP | for instance recovery action it should be, paused-> active -> paused | 04:11 |
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| samP | tpatil: IMO, final state should be paused | 04:12 |
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| tpatil | samP: OK, for all other cases, vm state will go into ACTIVE status | 04:12 |
| tpatil | samP: for above LP bug, the final vm_state will be PAUSED | 04:13 |
| samP | tpatil: yes. | 04:13 |
| tpatil | samP: Thank you | 04:13 |
| sagara | I think PAUSED VM are going to lost their memory, and it not working before recovery, so is it good to remain it SHUTDOWN? | 04:13 |
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| tpatil | sagara: You have a good point there | 04:14 |
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| samP | sagara: correct. once we start the VM, we will lose the internal state of the VM | 04:15 |
| samP | on the other hand, if shutdown it, it will not be the expected recovery | 04:17 |
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| tpatil | There should be some indication to the user that the instance has been recovered due to qemu process termination | 04:17 |
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| tpatil | if we keep the vm_state into PAUSED state | 04:19 |
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| tpatil | What would operators do if such problem occurs at present? | 04:21 |
| samP | if the VM in PAUSED state, doing nothing would be a solution? | 04:21 |
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| samP | tpatil: I think currently we are not using that API, but let me confirm it | 04:22 |
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| sagara | samP: please confirm it. | 04:22 |
| sagara | It might be nice to have some configuration. operator(admin) or user can specify VM recovery state, system default and per VM or per segment. | 04:23 |
| samP | sagara: sure, I will do. | 04:23 |
| samP | I will ask around for how ops handaling this issue, including sagara's point. | 04:25 |
| samP | And, I will update the LP for this. | 04:25 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok, please add your feedback on the LP bug | 04:26 |
| tpatil | samP: thank you | 04:26 |
| samP | #action samP Add FP to https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513 | 04:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:26 |
| samP | Other bugs? | 04:27 |
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| sagara | Takahara reported a bug | 04:28 |
| sagara | # link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1667246 | 04:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667246 in masakari "When masakari-engine adds reserved_host to aggregate, 404 error occurs" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to takahara.kengo (takahara.kengo) | 04:28 |
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| sagara | Honjo and me, already reviewed this patch, and yesterday it merged. | 04:29 |
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| samP | sagara: thanks | 04:30 |
| tpatil | samP: Do we need to back port this patch to stable/ocata branch? | 04:30 |
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| samP | tpatil: thatz what im thinking now | 04:31 |
| samP | I think this is critical and better to back port to oacata. any objections? | 04:32 |
| sagara | samP, tpatil: I think it is high or critical bug. reserved host feature could not work without this patch, so we must do backport that stable/ocata. | 04:33 |
| samP | if no objections, lets back port this to stable/ocata | 04:34 |
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| sagara | samP: I agree to backport. | 04:34 |
| tpatil | samP: sure, we will upload patch today | 04:34 |
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| samP | #action tpatil backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437312/ to stable/ocata | 04:35 |
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| samP | tpatil: I hv just put that action to you. | 04:35 |
| tpatil | samP: ok | 04:36 |
| samP | tpatil: thank you | 04:36 |
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| tpatil | samP: we need functional test soon to find out such issues | 04:37 |
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| samP | tpatil: agree, lets discuss pike work items including functional tests. | 04:38 |
| tpatil | samP: sure | 04:39 |
| samP | tpatil: sorry that I didn't have time to sort the things. Lets have that discussion on next week IRC, I'll create a etherpad for this. | 04:39 |
| samP | any other bus to discuss? | 04:40 |
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| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:40 |
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| sagara | samP: ok | 04:40 |
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| samP | Is this still valid https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari-monitors/+bug/1661517 ? | 04:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1661517 in masakari-monitors "masakari-instancemonitor fails to start with error “required config option auth-url”" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Pooja Jadhav (poojajadhav) | 04:41 |
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| tpatil | samP: I will request Pooja to try it on the latest masakari-monitors code | 04:42 |
| samP | tpatil: sure, thanks | 04:43 |
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| samP | if no other bugs, lets jump into discussion | 04:43 |
| samP | #topic discussion points | 04:43 |
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| samP | As I said previously, I will create a etherpad for pike work items. Please add any item you would like to work or any proposals are welcome. | 04:44 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:45 |
| samP | I would like to discuss those items and prioratize them in our next IRC. | 04:45 |
| sagara | samP: OK | 04:45 |
| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-pike-workitems | 04:47 |
| samP | Here ^^ is the link for Pike work items | 04:47 |
| sagara | as of now, it has no contents :) | 04:48 |
| samP | I will also create wiki item for pike release schedule which will be same as other official projects | 04:49 |
| samP | sagara: Just created it :), I will populate it with my thoughts later.. | 04:49 |
| tpatil | I will add " Implement auto_priority and rh_priority recovery_methods" as pike work item. Dinesh has already pushed patch for this implementation | 04:50 |
| tpatil | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433669 | 04:50 |
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| samP | tpatil: thanks, that will do | 04:50 |
| samP | any other points to discuss? | 04:51 |
| samP | ah.. I will share PTG updates for masakari in mail. | 04:52 |
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| samP | if no other topics, lets jump in to AOB | 04:52 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:52 |
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| samP | Nothing else to discuss, lets finish the meeting.. | 04:57 |
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| samP | Thank you all for your time... | 04:57 |
| tpatil | samP: yes | 04:57 |
| sagara | samP: I heard from you, TC are willing to add mentor to our project. When does it starts?, do we need anything to prepare? | 04:58 |
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| samP | sagara: I have reach them first. I will post that details in mail to you all. | 04:59 |
| samP | sagara: no need to specially prepare | 04:59 |
| sagara | samP: thank you | 04:59 |
| samP | OK, then its almost time, lest finish | 05:00 |
| samP | thank you all... | 05:00 |
| tpatil | Thank you. | 05:00 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 05:00:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-02-28-04.00.html | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-02-28-04.00.txt | 05:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-02-28-04.00.log.html | 05:00 |
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| kota_ | oops | 08:07 |
| kota_ | storlet meeting? | 08:07 |
| kota_ | s/storlet/storlets/ | 08:07 |
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| kota_ | er, eranrom seems to be absent looking at the meeting etherpad | 08:08 |
| kota_ | s/etherpad/wiki | 08:09 |
| kota_ | ping akihito | 08:09 |
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| akihito | Hi! sorry.. I'm late. | 08:13 |
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| akihito | I'm looking <https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storlets-pike-design-summit>. Thank you update summary. | 08:16 |
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| kota_ | akihito: still here? | 08:47 |
| akihito | yep | 08:47 |
| kota_ | akihito: it looks like only we're here so I'd skip this meeting today | 08:47 |
| akihito | OK. I see. | 08:48 |
| kota_ | akihito: thx! | 08:48 |
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| yanyanhu | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 13:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yanyanhu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
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| openstack | yanyanhu: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:00 |
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| elynn_ | hi | 13:00 |
| Qiming | hi | 13:00 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, elynn_ Qiming | 13:01 |
| XueFengLiu | hi | 13:01 |
| XueFengLiu | all | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi, XueFengLiu | 13:01 |
| XueFengLiu | :) | 13:01 |
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| ruijie | sorry for late :) | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | hi, ruijie | 13:02 |
| ruijie | hi yanyanhu | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | not at all :) | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | please review the agenda and add items you want to discuss | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Agenda_.282017-02-28_1300_UTC.29 | 13:02 |
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| ruijie | we are in pike now ? | 13:02 |
| Qiming | same question, ;) | 13:03 |
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| yanyan | hi, sorry, just dropped... | 13:05 |
| yanyan | network is very unstable | 13:05 |
| yanyan | ruijie, yes, we are in pike now | 13:05 |
| Qiming | created pike etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-pike-workitems | 13:06 |
| yanyan | hi | 13:07 |
| yanyan | thanks, Qiming | 13:07 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, sorry, dropped again... | 13:08 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, seems your network connection is very bad | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | yes... don't know why | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | it is ok usually | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | so where are we now? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | looking at API section I guess | 13:09 |
| Qiming | the 436288 is merged | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:10 |
| Qiming | need more patches on request object and api layer | 13:10 |
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| yanyanhu | and also test I guess | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | ok, next one | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | "Feature Rich" Nova Server | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn_ | 13:11 |
| elynn_ | hi | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | so the first template works now? | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | saw your mail :) | 13:11 |
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| yanyanhu | could you please paste the link to etherpad as well so we can easily access it | 13:12 |
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| elynn_ | yes, a simple template works now. | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | great | 13:12 |
| elynn_ | I will do it. | 13:12 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:12 |
| Qiming | nova server is never about a bare server resource itself | 13:12 |
| elynn_ | yes | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | so I'm wondering if we should merge it back to nova server profile | 13:13 |
| elynn_ | And still working on update operation | 13:13 |
| Qiming | left some comments to both patches | 13:13 |
| elynn_ | too early to merge it back | 13:13 |
| Qiming | yep | 13:13 |
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| elynn_ | I saw them, will revise it. | 13:14 |
| Qiming | how about we merge them in small patches? | 13:14 |
| elynn_ | Will it break the compatibility | 13:14 |
| elynn_ | ? | 13:15 |
| Qiming | another option is one patch with a thousand lines of code, including unit tests and api/functional tests | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | it doesn't matter now because ocata is out | 13:15 |
| elynn_ | do you like the later option ?? | 13:15 |
| Qiming | what do you think? | 13:16 |
| elynn_ | after it's stable, I will merge it back with small patches... | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | that's fine, though | 13:16 |
| Qiming | I was suggesting we work these two threads in parallel | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | if that is possible | 13:17 |
| elynn_ | I guess that will break many things... | 13:17 |
| Qiming | say, add port support | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | then add other properties one by one | 13:17 |
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| elynn_ | How about using a new version for this profile? | 13:18 |
| elynn_ | like os.nova.server-2.0? | 13:18 |
| Qiming | the implication for code in contrib is that we may throw it away | 13:18 |
| Qiming | yes, we will bump versions along the way | 13:18 |
| elynn_ | could we do that? | 13:18 |
| elynn_ | and also leave the code of version 1.0 I guess? | 13:19 |
| Qiming | the version support is very limited | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | if so, should we maintain os.nova.server-1.0 and os.nova.server-2.0 at the same time? | 13:19 |
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| yanyanhu | or we add deprecated warning for os.nova.server-1.0 profile once 2.0 is supported? | 13:20 |
| elynn_ | I'm more afraid of compatibility issues. | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | me too... | 13:20 |
| Qiming | a valid concern | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | that's the reason I suggested we do it in small patches | 13:20 |
| Qiming | we cannot add 500 lines of new code and ensure back compatibility | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | I think Qiming's suggestion is feasible | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | and ... once the POC is there, people usually hate to rewrite it again | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | we enhance the current nova server step by step | 13:21 |
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| yanyanhu | until we meet uncompatible issue | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | then we stop to figure it out | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | and them keep going go | 13:22 |
| Qiming | right, we don't know how difficult it will be yet | 13:22 |
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| yanyanhu | s/them/then | 13:22 |
| elynn_ | that | 13:23 |
| elynn_ | that's right. | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | just one more question, does this template meet the requirement raised by xinhui at the beginning? | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | one lesson we learned in the past is about deploying container clusters | 13:23 |
| Qiming | that has been done separately on github | 13:23 |
| elynn_ | This template is what xinhui found. | 13:23 |
| Qiming | but code is kind of abandoned | 13:24 |
| elynn_ | When xinhui gets back, I will check with her. | 13:24 |
| Qiming | alright, it's up to you, sir | 13:24 |
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| yanyanhu | elynn_, I see | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:24 |
| Qiming | if bran has been involved into this, I'm optimistic on that, yanyanhu | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | ok :) | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu | so lets move on if there is no more question on this item? | 13:26 |
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| yanyanhu | Engine Improvement | 13:26 |
| XueFengLiu | hi,yanyan | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | hi, XueFengLiu | 13:26 |
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| yanyanhu | any new progress on cluster check | 13:26 |
| XueFengLiu | Two patches has been merged | 13:26 |
| XueFengLiu | the api for target delete | 13:27 |
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| XueFengLiu | And delete actions when delete cluster. | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:28 |
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| XueFengLiu | This is the a new one for cluster check actions | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | so action number will be reduced now | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | so, please keep working on it, thanks a lot :) | 13:28 |
| XueFengLiu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435822/ | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | Need review | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | and modify | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | great, that is what we want | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | will help to review it | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | Thanks:) | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | ok, next one | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | - Add senlin to RDO | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, still your turn :) | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming said you have filed bug for it? | 13:30 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:30 |
| XueFengLiu | I report a bug to rdo project. | 13:30 |
| XueFengLiu | And next | 13:31 |
| XueFengLiu | We need write a spec for senlin | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | like the spec in openstack? | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | or it is a template for building package? | 13:31 |
| XueFengLiu | No , for rpm | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:31 |
| XueFengLiu | I generate a spec by python command automic | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | so the maintainer should be responsible for defining how to build the rpm | 13:32 |
| XueFengLiu | but it seems need do some change | 13:32 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:32 |
| Qiming | better raise questions in the #rdo channel if helps needed | 13:32 |
| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:33 |
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| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, may thanks for starting this job | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | many | 13:33 |
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| XueFengLiu | My pleasure | 13:33 |
| XueFengLiu | :) | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets move on? | 13:33 |
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| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | functional test for client | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436338/ | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | it is ready for review now | 13:34 |
| Qiming | wrt to rpm spec, I'm not sure if the fully fleged version is created manually | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | btw, we met some problems which failed our gate in last several days | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | and that problem has been fixed | 13:35 |
| Qiming | partially | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | still not sure if we should move post-config stuff to project-config | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | so, I guess we still need some change on our test hooks? | 13:36 |
| XueFengLiu | QiMing, I tested to genereate by python setup.py bdist_rpm | 13:36 |
| Qiming | need to keep an eye on it | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, looks sean suggested that in the mail | 13:36 |
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| yanyanhu | but there is still no concensus I guess | 13:36 |
| Qiming | yep, both approaches have drawbacks | 13:36 |
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| XueFengLiu | And the spec and rpm are generated. But not whole | 13:37 |
| Qiming | moving things to gate will increase infra workload | 13:37 |
| Qiming | yes, XueFengLiu, I know that | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, that means any change could need revision in project-config | 13:37 |
| Qiming | I mean, for the generation of a FULL version, there may be other tools we don't know | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | that will significantly increase the overhead of infra team | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | keeping those settings in individual projects will be a pain for devstack tools | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | it may occasionally break this project or that | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | yes, there is no perfect solution currently I guess... | 13:39 |
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| yanyanhu | anyway, about the functional test for client, once the gate job is ready, we can start working on the base test in senlinclient side | 13:39 |
| Qiming | yep, that is a great starting point | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, will work together with you to setup the basic one | 13:40 |
| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:40 |
| XueFengLiu | Thanks | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | just want to remind everyone, we are supposed to write functional tests for OSC plugin only | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:40 |
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| yanyanhu | that's what we need | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | so lets move on? | 13:41 |
| Qiming | sure | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | Support CLUSTER_RECOVER action in LB policy | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | hi, ruijie | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | your turn :) | 13:41 |
| ruijie | yes yanyanhu | 13:41 |
| ruijie | I proposed 1st patch today | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/438889 | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | this one | 13:42 |
| ruijie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438889/ | 13:42 |
| ruijie | yes, basicly will add logic to post_op() | 13:42 |
| ruijie | to handle the data passed from do_recover(...) | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | this is important if we want lb policy works with cluster recovery action | 13:42 |
| Qiming | maybe we will need some logic for CLUSTER_CHECK as well? | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | ruijie, also we may need to consider the situation that the IP doesn't change | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | after node is recovered | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | good idea | 13:43 |
| ruijie | yanyanhu, you mean the server ip will changed during running? | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | but one question is we are not sure whether lbaas support to manually set the health status of a member | 13:44 |
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| yanyanhu | ruijie, I mean if the IP of node doesn't change during recovery progress, maybe we don't need to perform lb member update operation | 13:44 |
| ruijie | yes, I noticed the cluster_recover is under revising to sync the status of server | 13:45 |
| ruijie | will add logic to cluster_recover() too | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | ruijie, thanks :) | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | if a server is recreated, the IP may get changed | 13:45 |
| ruijie | yes, if the server is just soft-reboot, will not remove it from lb | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, that is likely to happen | 13:46 |
| Qiming | so no matter recovery is a success or not, we need to check it | 13:46 |
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| yanyanhu | sure, the check is necessary | 13:46 |
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| ruijie | I am thinking we still use "creation"/"deletion" to handle the data | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | ruijie, you mean? | 13:47 |
| ruijie | creation data contains the node is that need to be added to lb, and deletion means need to be removed | 13:48 |
| ruijie | in the action layer we check that | 13:48 |
| Qiming | if they are not sufficient | 13:48 |
| Qiming | feel free to dump the related node info into the 'outputs' field of the action | 13:48 |
| ruijie | and then pass it to post_op | 13:48 |
| ruijie | okay Qiming, will propose another tomorrow | 13:49 |
| ruijie | patch | 13:49 |
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| yanyanhu | ruijie, great, and please ping me if you need any help on lb policy | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 13:49 |
| ruijie | sure yanyanhu:) | 13:49 |
| Qiming | I believe you have a good understanding about how policy works | 13:49 |
| ruijie | :) | 13:50 |
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| yanyanhu | :) | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | so lets all in the list I think | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | and we have some items in Wishlist or with Low Priority | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | but I guess no progress on them in this week | 13:51 |
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| yanyanhu | that's all, sorry misclicked... | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | any more items in progress? | 13:51 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, open discussion now | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | #topic Open discussions | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | any more topics from you guys? | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, xinhui is still in travel? | 13:52 |
| Qiming | not sure | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | one question ... | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | looking forward to the news about ptg from her :) | 13:52 |
| Qiming | anyone is interested in trying deploy a kubernetes cluster using senlin? | 13:53 |
| ruijie | I am working on deploy a cloud foundry cluster .. | 13:53 |
| Qiming | wow ... | 13:53 |
| ruijie | no very familiar with k8s | 13:53 |
| ruijie | not | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | it would be great to learn any experiences / lessons from you | 13:54 |
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| ruijie | very happy to share it after I finish it :) | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | ruijie, thanks :) | 13:55 |
| XueFengLiu | good boy:) | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | :P | 13:55 |
| Qiming | don't hesitate if there are things we can help from senlin side | 13:55 |
| ruijie | lol .. | 13:55 |
| ruijie | the role of node will be a big problem .. | 13:56 |
| Qiming | ha | 13:56 |
| ruijie | since the recover and scaling are both need to based on that | 13:56 |
| Qiming | should we extend 'role' to be a list? | 13:57 |
| Qiming | many other apis should be made role aware, I guess | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu | enhancing role support is critical for many cases I believe | 13:57 |
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| yanyanhu | so may need more attention on it | 13:57 |
| ruijie | agreed | 13:58 |
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| yanyanhu | so lets think more about it :) | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | ok, that's all for today I guess | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu | thanks all you guys for joining, have a good night :) | 13:59 |
| Qiming | bye | 13:59 |
| XueFengLiu | Hi,YanYan. About receiver will ask you tomorrow | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | bye | 13:59 |
| XueFengLiu | Bye | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, sure | 13:59 |
| ruijie | have a good night | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | please ping me | 13:59 |
| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:59 |
| XueFengLiu | good night | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu | goog night | 14:00 |
| yanyanhu | oops... | 14:00 |
| yanyanhu | good night :) | 14:00 |
| yanyanhu | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 14:00:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-02-28-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-02-28-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-02-28-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| dasm | o/ | 14:00 |
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| dasm | is anybody here? | 14:00 |
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| kevinbenton | hi everyone | 14:00 |
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| dasm | phew :) | 14:00 |
| kevinbenton | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 14:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 14:01 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| hoangcx | o/ | 14:01 |
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| andreas_s | hi | 14:01 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic announcments | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcments (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| bcafarel | hi | 14:01 |
| kevinbenton | I sent out an email last night with a big summary of things that were covered at the PTG | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/113032.html | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | that's huge, wow. | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | Take some time to look over it | 14:02 |
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| dasm | kevinbenton: thanks for doing that | 14:03 |
| kevinbenton | If there were any topics I completely forgot, please reply to that email with a brief summary | 14:03 |
| kevinbenton | but if there is anything you want to expand on or have a discussion about, please start a new email thread with a different subject | 14:03 |
| ajo | late o/ | 14:03 |
| kevinbenton | so it doesn't become the Neutron development megathread | 14:03 |
| john-davidge | kevinbenton: Thanks, this is great | 14:03 |
| dalvarez | o/ | 14:04 |
| ajo | ++ | 14:04 |
| kevinbenton | This announcement is from the last meeting, but a quick reminder that the Pike spec repository is open | 14:04 |
| kevinbenton | so if you had any specs for Ocata, retarget them to Pike | 14:05 |
| kevinbenton | and propose new specs under that folder | 14:05 |
| dasanind | o/ | 14:05 |
| kevinbenton | If you had any features that were targeting Ocata, please review the postmortem patch from armax | 14:06 |
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| kevinbenton | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425990/ | 14:06 |
| kevinbenton | This applies to all stadium projects IIRC | 14:06 |
| kevinbenton | Does anyone have any questions about the above or have any other announcements to make? | 14:07 |
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| john-davidge | kevinbenton: Do you intend to keep the postmortems going for future releases? Personally I think they're great. | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 14:07 |
| kevinbenton | john-davidge: yeah, i'll try to keep that tradition up | 14:08 |
| kevinbenton | john-davidge: i may conscript armax to help | 14:08 |
| john-davidge | kevinbenton: :) | 14:08 |
| kevinbenton | #topic Bugs | 14:09 |
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| kevinbenton | i see from the wiki electrocucaracha was bug deputy last | 14:09 |
| kevinbenton | but he's not online | 14:09 |
| kevinbenton | does anyone have any bugs that need discussion with the wider team? | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | I would like to remind folks that if you cannot join, you should send a report as per https://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/bugs.html#neutron-bug-deputy | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | I mean, if you are a bug deputy :) | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | do we have deputies for next weeks? | 14:11 |
| kevinbenton | speaking of which, does anyone want to volunteer to be bug deputy this week? | 14:11 |
| kevinbenton | i can do it | 14:12 |
| kevinbenton | #info kevinbenton for bug deputy week of feb 28th | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | thanks kevinbenton | 14:14 |
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| kevinbenton | any volunteers now for next week? | 14:14 |
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| dasanind | kevinbenton: I can do next week | 14:14 |
| reedip | hi | 14:14 |
| kevinbenton | dasanind: thanks | 14:14 |
| kevinbenton | #info dasanind for bug deputy week of mar 6th | 14:15 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic gate issues | 14:16 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: quick update since we have a separate meeting, any big blockers we need to be aware of? | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | we had breakages due to devstack-gate local.conf logic on Fri but those are contained for the most part in neutron repo | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | it also broke some stadium repos like fwaas (fix should be in for master, maybe backport needed) | 14:17 |
| kevinbenton | ack | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | I advise stadium project owners to check their gates and fix/reach out to me about details | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | it also seems we have fragile gate hook | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | there is ongoing work on that matter in scope of https://review.openstack.org/438682 | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | that may also need to be backported later | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | apart from that, business as usual (oom-killers, libvirtd crashing, dragons burning villages) | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | that's all I have, we'll elaborate in CI meeting in 2h | 14:19 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: fragile in the sense that it randomly fails, or we are just a patch away from broken? | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton: as in 'gonna be broken in next weeks if we don't adopt to the right path' | 14:19 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: ack | 14:19 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic neutron-lib | 14:20 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: any news? | 14:20 |
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| kevinbenton | #info neutron-lib is complete :) | 14:21 |
| boden | kevinbenton: sorry I stepped away for a min | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | huh, WAT. is it 2025 already? | 14:21 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: no prob | 14:22 |
| kevinbenton | boden: wanna give us a quick neutron-lib update? | 14:22 |
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| boden | as listed on the neutron meeting wiki; we have 2 lib impact changes in progress… they’ve been out for awhile so IMO they are about ready to merge | 14:22 |
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| boden | as we discussed at the PTG and I summerized in ML yesterday, we are proposing a single set of hacking checks for neutron-lib consumers.. just a heads up (again) as this impacts a number of projects | 14:23 |
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| boden | there are also a number of patches ready for review in neutron-lib… if you get time please take a peek :) | 14:24 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: are these the impact changes? https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%22 | 14:24 |
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| ihrachys | I think we should speed up landing for neutron context patch. it's the best timing for such a huge change. | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | armax mentioned that this should happen after subprojects release ocata, I think sfc was the last one sched for this Wed | 14:25 |
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| boden | kevinbenton: yes but that list is a bit messy a cleaner picture might be: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%22+project:openstack/neutron | 14:26 |
| boden | ihrachys: agree… the same goes for moving to the neutron-lib callbacks | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | I also see a lot of helpers to be killed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433034/ was it ever announced? | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | oh sorry, those helpers were already marked with deprecations | 14:27 |
| boden | ihrachys: I didn’t see an announce, but perhaps I missed it… I’ll follow up with garyk on that one | 14:27 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388157/ | 14:27 |
| kevinbenton | context spinoff patch | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | so we want this merged soon, right? | 14:28 |
| kevinbenton | #info any importers of neutron.context will break after merge of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388157/ . please import from neutron-lib | 14:28 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: yep | 14:28 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: deal with the pain now | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle: I would hope so. it's start of the cycle, better soon than late | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | Agree with both | 14:29 |
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| boden | also FYI: I sent a note to ML yesterday, but there was some discussion on forbidding provider net extended attrs update (PUT) at the API layer in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421961/ however it doesn’t appear folks think this is the right approach so I’m guessing it won’t end up merging | 14:31 |
| dasm | fyi. neutron-lib 1.2.0 got released recently and soon should land in requirements. so from now on, all the latest features provided by boden can be used | 14:31 |
| boden | well; not just my features :) | 14:31 |
| kevinbenton | boden-lib | 14:31 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 14:31 |
| boden | ha | 14:31 |
| dasm | ok, so fancy features from boden and couple others, not so fancy ;) | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton was going to look at allowing updates for the field | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | that's why we put -2 for now | 14:31 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah, with our internal segments API now, it may be much simpler to allow this | 14:32 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: but I haven't had a chance to look into it yet | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | speaking of stadium projects, I just spotted dynamic-routing has broken periodic job in grafana | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | that's due to models moved in Ocata, and the fix will be https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438739/ | 14:33 |
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| ihrachys | please approve so that we can land next breaking changes "safely" | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | otherwise they will need to squash and that's not cool | 14:34 |
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| kevinbenton | ack | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | oh also midonet and ovn broken | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | as per the dashboard at least. though I don't see any ovn failure in gerrit | 14:35 |
| russellb | when did the breaking change land? | 14:35 |
| russellb | networking-ovn has merged several changes in the last 12 hours or so | 14:36 |
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| ihrachys | russellb: then you are good and it was one off | 14:36 |
| dasm | btw. are we still in neutron-lib section? shouldn't we change that? | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | I think the impactful is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436312/ | 14:36 |
| russellb | ihrachys: ok thanks for looking out | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | midonet is definitely borked by it, and there is no fix yet | 14:36 |
| kevinbenton | dasm: we divered a bit | 14:37 |
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| kevinbenton | boden: any other neutron-lib related things? | 14:37 |
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| boden | kevinbenton: I think that’s enough for now | 14:37 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic OSC | 14:38 |
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| kevinbenton | any updates on the OSC transition? | 14:38 |
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| amotoki | no update to report. | 14:39 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic docs | 14:39 |
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| kevinbenton | john-davidge: anything? | 14:39 |
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| john-davidge | So kevinbenton mentioned in in the PTG summary email, but I'd like to highlight the point about DocImpact | 14:40 |
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| john-davidge | When reviewing patches with a DocImpact tag, please make sure the commit message includes a summary of the doc change needed, whether its in the neutron tree or openstack-manuals | 14:41 |
| john-davidge | That helps a lot with triaging the resulting bugs | 14:41 |
| john-davidge | Also, we have some chnages planned for the Networking Guide over the Pike cycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide-improvements | 14:41 |
| john-davidge | Anybody who's interested in working in the guide is most welcome :) | 14:42 |
| john-davidge | That's it | 14:42 |
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| kevinbenton | john-davidge: thanks | 14:42 |
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| kevinbenton | some on demand topics on here from the last meeting | 14:42 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic Disable security group filter refresh on DHCP port changes | 14:43 |
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| kevinbenton | i don't think mdorman is around | 14:43 |
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| kevinbenton | he wanted to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416380/ | 14:43 |
| kevinbenton | I think that will be superceded by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432506/ if we go that route | 14:44 |
| kevinbenton | #topic Logging API for security groups | 14:45 |
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| kevinbenton | I think this was discussed at the PTG | 14:45 |
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| kevinbenton | so we probably don't need to discuss it again here | 14:45 |
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| hoangcx | +1. Thanks kevin | 14:45 |
| kevinbenton | #topic Open Discussion | 14:46 |
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| kevinbenton | anyone have anything else to discuss? | 14:46 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: quick update to your PTG summary of last night. For moving floating ips to central node in DVR, swami already filed a RFE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1667877 | 14:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667877 in neutron "[RFE] DVR support for Configuring Floatingips in Network Node or in the Compute Node based on Config option." [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 14:46 |
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| dasm | one thing from me: all stadium projects are now following cycle with milestones. everything will be synced now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437699/ | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | and I assigned it to me :-) | 14:47 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: oh that's nice, less headache for release team. | 14:48 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: thanks, do you want to reply to that email with just a pointer to the RFE? | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: will do | 14:48 |
| dasm | ihrachys: i agree | 14:48 |
| electrocucaracha | sorry for being late, regarding the bugs of last week most of the criticals were reported by you kevinbenton , there is a couple of invalid and other features | 14:48 |
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| kevinbenton | electrocucaracha: ok, thanks | 14:49 |
| electrocucaracha | there is only one that I would like to bring to discussion https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1667500 | 14:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667500 in neutron "Openstack add 'deafult' security group to a VM when attaching new interface to new network even the VM have customized secgroup" [Undecided,New] | 14:49 |
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| kevinbenton | dasm: cool. hopefully this works smoothly :) | 14:49 |
| electrocucaracha | but that discussion can happen offline | 14:49 |
| kevinbenton | electrocucaracha: ack. i'll take a look | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: sounds like behaviour as designed | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | sec groups are per port | 14:51 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys, electrocucaracha: yeah, i think it would need to be a feature change on the nova side if they wanted this | 14:51 |
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| ihrachys | + | 14:51 |
| kevinbenton | to alter the port create request nova is making | 14:51 |
| amotoki | tend to agree with ihar, but there may be a room to improve nova interaction | 14:51 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: agree | 14:51 |
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| dasm | amotoki: "improve nova integration" as always ;) | 14:52 |
| kevinbenton | electrocucaracha: i would mark nova as an affected project because I don't think there is anything we can do on the neutron side | 14:52 |
| ihrachys | it's always nova's fault | 14:52 |
| amotoki | perhaps nova side instead of nova interaction | 14:52 |
| ihrachys | +, close neutron side as Won't Fix and allow nova folks to triage | 14:52 |
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| kevinbenton | from neutron's perspective it's just a normal port create and we can't change that behavior | 14:52 |
| electrocucaracha | but there is a place in neutron where we ensure the existence of the default security group rule | 14:53 |
| kevinbenton | electrocucaracha: right, but that's different from which security group is assigned to the port | 14:53 |
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| kevinbenton | electrocucaracha: if they want a different group assigned to the port, that needs to be in the port create body | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | I just closed it from neutron side and opened for nova | 14:54 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks ihrachys | 14:54 |
| amotoki | nova maintains security groups associated with a VM itself, so nova can take care of the default secgroup when creating a new port from nova. | 14:54 |
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| kevinbenton | amotoki: right | 14:54 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: seems like a reasonable feature request for them | 14:54 |
| kevinbenton | anything else? | 14:54 |
| amotoki | kevinbenton: agree | 14:54 |
| kevinbenton | ok, thanks everyone! | 14:55 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 14:55:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-02-28-14.00.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-02-28-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-02-28-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
| dasanind | Thanks | 14:55 |
| dasm | o/ | 14:55 |
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| annp | Bye | 14:56 |
| kevinbenton | bye | 14:56 |
| amotoki | bye | 14:56 |
| reedip | bye.. | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | have a nice rest of your days! | 14:57 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 16:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
| dasm | o/ | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | I think kevinbenton and jlibosva won't join today for different reasons but nevertheless it's worth running through outstanding actions | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronCI Agenda | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
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| dasanind | o/ | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to look at e-r bot for openstack-neutron channel" | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | this landed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433828/ | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | has anyone seen the bot reporting anything in the channel since then? :) | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | doesn't seem like it did a single time | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | gotta give it some time and see if it's some issue in configuration, or just no positive hits | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to monitor e-r irc bot reporting in the channel | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | "manjeets to polish the dashboard script and propose it for neutron/tools/" | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: I know you proposed the patch for neutron tree but armax asked to move it to another place | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | has it happened so far? | 16:04 |
| manjeets | 0/ | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | (the neutron patch was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433893/) | 16:05 |
| manjeets | i'll move it today was busy with other stuff yesterday | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | ok cool, thanks for working on it | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | #action manjeets to repropose the CI dashboard script for reviewday | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | next item was "jlibosva to try reducing parallelization for scenario tests" | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | this landed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434866/ | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | I believe scenario job was still not particularly stable due to qos tests so we also landed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437011/ that temporarily disables the test that measures bandwidth | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | ajo was going to rework the test once more | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | at this point the failure rate for the job is: ovs ~ 40% and linuxbridge ~ 100% | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | seems like lb trunk test fails consistently due to missing connectivity: http://logs.openstack.org/69/438669/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial-nv/a16519c/testr_results.html.gz | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | could be a legit failure, will need to follow up with armax on the matter | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to follow up with armax on why trunk connectivity test fails for lb scenario job | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | ok next was "ihrachys to look at getting more info from kernel about ram-locked memory segments" | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | there are a bunch of patches on review | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | one is enabling the needed logging in peakmem_tracker service: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434470/ (needs some small rework) | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | btw we enabled peakmem_tracker service in all gates yesterday, to help with memory consumption / oom-killer debugging: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434511/ | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | since the first patch renames peakmem_tracker, this patch also enables the service with the new name: https://review.openstack.org/434474 | 16:11 |
| dasm | ihrachys: according to johndperkins, kibana isn't showing oom-killer issues since Feb 23 | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | I hope that will give us an answer if any process blocks huge chunks of memory from swapping | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: oh nice. do we still see libvirtd crashes? | 16:12 |
| dasm | i don't know. i didn't look into that | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | there is an etherpad tracking oom-killer from infra side: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OOM_Taskforce | 16:13 |
| clarkb | yes I think libvirt crashes are still happening | 16:13 |
| dasm | although, lack of oom-killer problems could be connected to lesser usage of infra, during ptg. | 16:13 |
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| clarkb | dims had one pulled up yesterday | 16:14 |
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| * electrocucaracha wonders if <beslemon> discovered something | 16:14 | |
| ihrachys | clarkb: could it be indeed correlated with the lower utilization of the cloud as dasm suggests? | 16:15 |
| dims | clarkb : i was looking through libvirt logs for 2nd and 3rd items in the rechecks list - http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ - not much luck | 16:15 |
| clarkb | ihrachys: maybe? the other angle people were looking at was OOMs seem to happen more often on Rax which is Xen based os potentially related to that | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | clarkb: I assume that would require some close work with the owners of the cloud. do we have those relationships? | 16:16 |
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| clarkb | ihrachys: for rackspace johnthetubaguy is probably a good contact particularly for compute related things? | 16:16 |
| electrocucaracha | clarkb: the other thing that beslemon mentioned me was the recent update of their centos images | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: who is beslemon, I probably miss some context. | 16:17 |
| clarkb | infra runs its own images too that should update daily | 16:17 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: she is racker (perf engineer of the RPC) | 16:17 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: she was helping us(me, dasm, johndperkins) last week to discover something | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | ok. if she works on any of that, it could make sense for her to join the meeting and update on her findings. | 16:18 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: well, she only has a limited time for that assignment but I'm going to tell her to include her findings | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | in related news, several projects notice instability in their scenario jobs because of broken (or disabled) nested virtualization in some clouds. I heard that from octavia. | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | neutron also experienced some slowdown and timeouts for some jobs | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | dumping cpu flags of the allocated nodes could give some clue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433949/ | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ack. at least an email or smth, otherwise we work in isolation and don't benefit from multiple eyes looking at the same thing from the same angle. | 16:20 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: +1 | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | ok these were all action items from the previous meeting, moving on | 16:21 |
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| ihrachys | #topic PTG update | 16:21 |
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| ihrachys | some CI matters were covered during the PTG the prev week | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | some points were captured in the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike-final line 15-38 | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | some things were also captured by kevinbenton in his report email: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/113032.html | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | we will need to follow up on those, so that at least tasks from our CI scope don't slip thru cracks | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | I will do that this week, and we will run through the items next week | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to follow up on PTG working items related to CI and present next week | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | tl;dr there is a lot of specific work items on gate stability and also reshaping gate (removing jobs, adding new ...) | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | any specific questions about PTG? | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | (we will discuss it in detail next week, but if you have anything time sensitive) | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | ok moving on | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | #topic Known gate issues | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Known gate issues (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:26 | |
| ihrachys | #link https://goo.gl/8vigPl Open bugs | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627106 ovsdb native timeouts | 16:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627106 in neutron "TimeoutException while executing tests adding bridge using OVSDB native" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | this did not get much progress per se | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | but there are some developments that should help us to isolate some of its impact | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | specifically, otherwiseguy is working on splitting the ovsdb code into a separate project: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438080/ | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | at which point some of unstable tests that cover the code will move into this new repo | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | which will offload some of the impact from neutron tree into the new tree | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | and hopefully will reduce impact on integrated gate. | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | some may say it's just a shift of responsibility. it indeed is. | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy also had plans to work on a native eventlet state machine for the library once we get initial integration of it with neutron. | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | he is hopeful replacing existing solution that is based on native threads with something more integrated with eventlet may squash some bugs that we experience. | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | only time will tell. | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | for other bugs in the list, I gotta walk thru them and see if they need some love | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to walk thru list of open gate failure bugs and give them love | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | any other known gate failure that would benefit from the discussion here? | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's move on | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | #topic Gate hook rework | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate hook rework (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:32 | |
| ihrachys | some of you may have noticed the gate breakage that hit us on Friday due to the change in devstack-gate in regards to local.conf handling | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | I think the breaking change was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430857/ | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | this was fixed with https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Ibe640a584add3acc89520a2bbb25b6f4c5818e1b,n,z | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | though Sean Dague then raised a point that the way we use devstack-gate in our gate hook is not sustainable and may break in the future | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | there is a WIP patch to fix that here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438682/ | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | we will need to backport it too | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | I suspect that other repos that were affected by the initial d-g change and patched that to pass gate may also need to follow up with a better fix | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | I believe armax was going to at least assess the impact on other stadium repos | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | #action armax to assess impact of d-g change on stadium gate hooks | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | I will shape the Sean's patch today to make it ready to merge | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to prepare https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438682/ for merge, then backport | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | stadium projects are advised to take another look at their gate setup | 16:36 |
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| ihrachys | go ask me or sdague about details if you are lost | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | #topic lib/neutron for devstack-gate | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | One final thing, a heads-up that several folks work on switching gate to lib/neutron (from lib/neutron-legacy) | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | the result can be seen in https://review.openstack.org/436798 and the list of dependent patches | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | once the patches are in better shape and in, we may need to do some more validation work with gates for other projects to make sure it won't break anything | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open Discussion | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:39 | |
| ihrachys | anything anyone? | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | I will merely note that the patch that disables ovs compilation for functional job is in the gate: https://review.openstack.org/437041 | 16:39 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: any updates on memory consumption tracking work you looked at a while ago? | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | ok I believe we lost him :) | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | ok folks thanks for joining and bearing with me | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | thanks1 | 16:43 |
| manjeets | thanks | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | I hope that next meetings will be more active and more populated :) | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 16:43:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-02-28-16.00.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-02-28-16.00.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-02-28-16.00.log.html | 16:43 |
| dasm | ihrachys: it looks pretty much like single-man meeting :) | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: which sucks | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | dasm: one may argue it shows the interest in the topic overall | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | or I do something wrong | 16:43 |
| dasm | :) | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | if someone knows what, please tell me in private :) | 16:44 |
| reedip | :) | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | or in public, public shame also works | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:44 |
| dasm | public one works even better, i think ;) | 16:45 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 17:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 17:00 |
| igordcard | hi davidsha, all | 17:00 |
| davidsha | Hi | 17:00 |
| igordcard | let's wait 2 minutes for people | 17:00 |
| davidsha | kk | 17:00 |
| reedip | \o/ | 17:02 |
| reedip | though I am a bit sleepy ... | 17:02 |
| igordcard | hi reedip | 17:02 |
| reedip | hi igordcard | 17:02 |
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| reedip | hi davidsha | 17:02 |
| davidsha | Hey reedip! | 17:03 |
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| igordcard | alright, let's kick this off! | 17:03 |
| igordcard | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonFlowClassifier#Discussion_Topic_28_February_2017 | 17:03 |
| igordcard | #topic Post-PTG summary | 17:03 |
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| igordcard | more people became interested in this effort during the PTG | 17:04 |
| igordcard | the spec got more reviews since then | 17:04 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993 | 17:04 |
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| igordcard | I'm correcting it and will submit a new patchset today or tomorrow | 17:05 |
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| igordcard | there seemed to be good agreement on the current approach | 17:05 |
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| reedip | I would be pushing it in the TaaS meeting , hopefully I can get some more people from Tap-as-a-Service to review this | 17:05 |
| igordcard | reedip: great! | 17:06 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 17:06 |
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| igordcard | also, there was some discussion regarding the grouping of classifications | 17:06 |
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| igordcard | we didn't reach an agreement on how and in what way, but we seemed to agree that some grouping should be provided (from day one of the first CCF release) | 17:07 |
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| igordcard | some kind of validation of classificatons (when applied to consuming services) needs to occur, and the framework might even do part of it itself - more discussion needs to happen around this subject as well | 17:08 |
| reedip | yeah , as well as the proposal on how to group them ( AND / OR ) | 17:08 |
| igordcard | reedip: exactly | 17:08 |
| igordcard | there was good agreement that there is no need allow classification updates | 17:09 |
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| igordcard | and we seemed to be converging to a workflow where classifications shouldn't be deleted if they are being used - which also prevents duplication of information in the database, as a simple mapping between classifications and the consuming project's own resources, is enough | 17:09 |
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| igordcard | am I missing something important? | 17:10 |
| reedip | CLI side ?? | 17:10 |
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| igordcard | reedip: in regards to the validation of classifications? | 17:11 |
| reedip | I mean the CLI based implementation was also discussed and IIRC it was decided that CLI side implementation would be project dependent | 17:11 |
| reedip | igordcard : umm, yup | 17:11 |
| davidsha | reedip: You mean if a project supports a particular classification? | 17:11 |
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| igordcard | reedip: yes/no... so each project will have to make their own CLI changes to allow users to pass on classifications UUIDs | 17:12 |
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| igordcard | reedip: but still the CCF needs its own CLI to define the classifications | 17:12 |
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| reedip | davidsha ,igordcard : the problem / issue is when we use a common classifier with a project | 17:15 |
| reedip | whose CLI needs a specific value ( which is a positional argument ) | 17:15 |
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| reedip | but by linking the common classifier , the CLI can retrieve this information from the classified | 17:15 |
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| reedip | davidsha, igordcard : something like Network attribute for Subnets | 17:16 |
| igordcard | reedip: right, that was the discussion on how/whether CLI should itself fetch the classification and validate it before passing it to the own project | 17:16 |
| reedip | we cannot create a subnet without a network | 17:16 |
| igordcard | right | 17:17 |
| reedip | igordcard : there is a side-effect of common classifier with OpenstackClient 's implementation | 17:17 |
| reedip | TL;DR , we need to modify the CLIs so that attributes which can be considered in a common classifier need to be made optional arguments in CLI | 17:18 |
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| reedip | in case they are NECESSARY in the current iteration | 17:18 |
| igordcard | reedip: wait, does this also relate to the discussion where projects might already have their own "classifier APIs", and so the use of the CCF is optional or possible conflicting? | 17:19 |
| reedip | igordcard : umm, I didnt consider it yet. This discussion was in terms of CLI implementation and modification. | 17:20 |
| reedip | igordcard ; What I am saying is changes in the OSC project | 17:21 |
| reedip | igordcard; your changes may be more in neutron-xyz projects | 17:21 |
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| igordcard | reedip: changes in the OSC project beyond the plain support of classifications UUIDs in neutron-xyz's resources? | 17:21 |
| igordcard | reedip: in other words, networking-sfc's port-create CLI command allows --flow-classifier UUID to be passed... | 17:22 |
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| igordcard | reedip: would there be any change to that specific command after the CCF? | 17:23 |
| xgerman | o/ | 17:23 |
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| igordcard | (this is an example where a project already has a way to pass in classificatin UUIDs / other projects may not have this yet) | 17:23 |
| igordcard | hi xgerman | 17:23 |
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| reedip | xgerman : Hi ( again ) | 17:23 |
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| davidsha | xgerman: Hey | 17:25 |
| reedip | igordcard : not for Networking-sfc project maybe . Because the flow-classifier is not a common classifier/attribute across different APIs ( is it ?) | 17:25 |
| igordcard | reedip: visual clarification: "port-create --flow-classifier <UUID> my-port-chain" | 17:25 |
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| igordcard | reedip: alright, so is it fair to say that OSC will require the following changes? : | 17:27 |
| igordcard | - OSC classification CRUD commands | 17:28 |
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| igordcard | - OSC classification consumption commands (in networking-sfc's example fashion above) per neutron-xyz/networking-abc/others project | 17:28 |
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| davidsha | Will we move on? | 17:30 |
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| igordcard | it's only been 2 minutes, he might still be typing | 17:30 |
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| reedip | igordcard : yes you are correct. But I think we need to discuss this once with dtroyer and the osc team :) | 17:30 |
| davidsha | kk, sorry! | 17:30 |
| reedip | davidsha : I am also discussing other bugs in the OSC team :D | 17:31 |
| reedip | sorry davidsha : took some time ! | 17:31 |
| igordcard | reedip: thanks, I will note that | 17:31 |
| igordcard | anything else in terms of PTG summary? | 17:31 |
| reedip | none that I recall | 17:31 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 17:32 |
| igordcard | #topic PoC status | 17:32 |
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| davidsha | reedip: no problem! | 17:32 |
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| * igordcard hands over the mic to davidsha | 17:32 | |
| davidsha | So I have the resources made, the service plugin working, and it storing the classifications in a database. I'm working on the rpc server/client so that the classifications can be retrieved from the neutron classifier project. | 17:33 |
| igordcard | davidsha: great | 17:34 |
| davidsha | Once I get the RPC stuff working I'll realign the PoC to match the updates that are being added to the spec. | 17:34 |
| reedip | +1 :) | 17:34 |
| igordcard | cool | 17:35 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 17:35 |
| igordcard | #topic Next steps for the CCF | 17:35 |
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| igordcard | #action igordcard to address comments in spec | 17:36 |
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| igordcard | should we contact the OSC team at this point? | 17:36 |
| davidsha | igordcard: Maybe wait until we can show them the PoC. | 17:37 |
| igordcard | yeah.. if it pops up in a conversation great, otherwise let's get this a bit more refined, both spec and code, for now | 17:38 |
| igordcard | #action davidsha to submit an initial PoC | 17:39 |
| davidsha | ack | 17:39 |
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| igordcard | other next steps seem to be: clarifying the CLI, including if validation should be done there (there are 4 possibilities, which I'll document in the spec); and reach consensus on the grouping of classifications | 17:40 |
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| igordcard | which also has 3 or 4 possibilities | 17:41 |
| igordcard | any other next steps? | 17:41 |
| igordcard | alright, moving on... | 17:43 |
| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 17:43 |
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| reedip | igordcard : Lets discuss it with them after the PoC as mentioned by davidsha | 17:43 |
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| igordcard | alright reedip | 17:43 |
| igordcard | anything else we need to discuss? | 17:43 |
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| reedip | none from my end | 17:44 |
| davidsha | Nothing from me. | 17:45 |
| igordcard | alright | 17:45 |
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| igordcard | I will likely not be able to attend/chair the (expected) meeting in 2 weeks | 17:45 |
| igordcard | if there aren't critical items to discuss, I will cancel it closer to the date | 17:46 |
| igordcard | otherwise a solution will be found! | 17:46 |
| igordcard | okay folks, this is all | 17:46 |
| davidsha | kk, We'll see anyways on the spec I can chair if people are about. | 17:46 |
| igordcard | thank you for joining davidsha, reedip, xgerman | 17:46 |
| reedip | :) | 17:47 |
| igordcard | davidsha: yep | 17:47 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 17:47 |
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| reedip | great to meet again u guys | 17:47 |
| igordcard | :) | 17:47 |
| igordcard | bye | 17:47 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 17:47:25 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-02-28-17.00.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-02-28-17.00.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-02-28-17.00.log.html | 17:47 |
| davidsha | cya | 17:48 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 18:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping agrebennikov, amakarov, annakoppad, antwash, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, chrisplo, cmurphy, davechen, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, edtubill, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, jamielennox, jaugustine, jgrassler, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, kbaikov, ktychkova, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, portdirect raildo, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, SamYaple, shaleh, spilla, srwilkers, | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | StefanPaetowJisc, stevemar, topol, shardy, ricolin | 18:00 |
| browne | o/ | 18:00 |
| * notmorgan hides | 18:00 | |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| ayoung | Heyo! | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:01 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:01 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:01 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:01 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | hopefully everyone had a productive week | 18:02 |
| topol | o/ | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | ravelar antwash o/ | 18:02 |
| antwash | o/ | 18:02 |
| ravelar | lbragstad o/ | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | alright - let's get started | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-ptg-keystone-ocata-carry-over | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | ... | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-ptg-keystone-ocata-carry-over | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | we planned on having a session at the PTG dedicated to addressing carry over topics from ocata | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | as well as backlogged specs | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | but we came to the conclusion that is something we can do in meeting versus valuable hacking time person | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | so i figured we'd try and knock a few of them out today, while the discussions from the PTG are still fresh | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics: Project and domain tags | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | i wasn't there for this particular topic, but it sounds like someone had an action item to rework a spec? | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 18:05 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431785/ | 18:06 |
| notmorgan | project and domian tags? | 18:06 |
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| notmorgan | oh that | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan yeah - it was the first thing on the schedule wednesday morning | 18:06 |
| * notmorgan shrugs. | 18:06 | |
| * notmorgan is generally not a fan but doesn't care to argue about it too much | 18:06 | |
| lbragstad | gagehugo aha - cool | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo i'll update the PTG etherpad, too | 18:07 |
| ayoung | call em labels, and be consistent with Kubernetes | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics: Microversioning | 18:07 |
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| gagehugo | lbragstad ok | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | based on the feedback in the etherpad, it doesn't sound like we're going to pursue this? | 18:07 |
| lamt | I think the discussion is ongoing with the API-WG | 18:07 |
| * ayoung prefers macroversioning | 18:07 | |
| lbragstad | lamt was there a consensus reached at the PTG in the API-WG session? | 18:08 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: yes, we decided to pass since we don't have a reason for it and it makes client/horizon's life much harder | 18:08 |
| lamt | but it is needed to resolve some bugs at some point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1660603 | 18:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1660603 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Difference in Implied Roles check API return code" [High,Confirmed] | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: ++ | 18:08 |
| * ayoung proposing Keystone API Version 6. Cuz termie already claimed 4 and 5 | 18:08 | |
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| rderose | dstanek: yeah, that was my understanding as well | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | would anyone be opposed to me removing it from the backlog until the API-WG comes to consensus on the approach? | 18:09 |
| lamt | no there are some issues they raised regarding interop | 18:09 |
| dstanek | i mention using the microvesion approach next time we update major versions as a way to make trasition easier | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: wfm. | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: that sounds a reasonable plan for me. | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: though i'm -2 on an even number, #justbecause | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | I feel like our spec would probably need to be rewritten in order to encompass the direction of the API-WG | 18:10 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: we talked about having a non-backlog dumping ground for this sort of stuff | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | lbragstad: i dislike microversions intensely. but i don't really care about shuffing it off the backlog or not. | 18:10 |
| dstanek | i don't remember what the possible names were | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | so if it makes it easier for you, lets do it | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | I personally wouldn't mind periodically updating the backlog so that new folks on the project don't go chasing something we've already come to a decison on | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | decision* | 18:11 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, 7 it is | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | I thought we were going to go fibonacci | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: i like prime numbers | 18:12 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: yeah, backlog should be the things we intend on doing rather than just a parking spot | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to remove microversion spec from backlog linking to this discussion | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: lbragstad: I agree with you. | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | cool | 18:13 |
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| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics: Improving OIDC support | 18:13 |
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| lbragstad | is anyone interested in picking up the spec proposal to get it merged to backlog if it's still useful? | 18:13 |
| antwash | ] | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373983 ? | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | we can keep it in review until we have someone to do it, too | 18:14 |
| rderose | lbragstad: I haven't reviewed, but could take a look | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | I was thinking if it sounded useful and if it's something we should do, we should at least merge it to backlog until we have bandwidth to adderss it | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | rderose ++ that'd be helpful | 18:15 |
| knikolla | i'll give it a read | 18:15 |
| breton | the only thing that bugs me in the spec is that keystone makes request to external resource via http | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: I think aloga proposed that ^ | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq aha - good call | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | could be useful to check with him if he wants/has time to to revive it :-) | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | :) | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq ++ | 18:17 |
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| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics: Pluggable fernet backend | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | breton? | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | do we have an outlook on this for Pike? | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | if not, that's just fine, i'm just trying to gauge the current status | 18:18 |
| breton | i won't work on it this cycle and i don't think it is still needed | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | anyone else feel differently about this? | 18:19 |
| breton | for kubernetes it was solved via secrets | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | dstanek ? | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | I do! | 18:20 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, there is a tool called Custodia | 18:20 |
| ayoung | its designed to do Secrets right, and the goal is to plug it in to oslo-config | 18:21 |
| breton | oh, well, yes, from the perspective this is still needed | 18:21 |
| ayoung | so on a given field, you say "and this field comes from custodia | 18:21 |
| ayoung | " | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | then we get secure secrets without having to rewrite ever single service in OpenStack | 18:21 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: i wasn't pushing this one | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | ayoung breton so are we fine opting for that instead of a pluggable fernet backend? | 18:22 |
| ayoung | and...once we get it working for Custodia, we can use the same tool for fernet, and might I add, credentials | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | ok - that makes sense | 18:22 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, yes | 18:22 |
| dstanek | custodia would just be a backend right? | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | regardless - that should be a new spec that proposes using that implementation over our own pluggable implementation | 18:23 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: hmm....so that wouldn't just be a backend? | 18:23 |
| ayoung | dstanek, sort of | 18:23 |
| breton | the spec should describe why we want it | 18:23 |
| ayoung | dstanek, it would be an optional plugin to oslo-config | 18:23 |
| dstanek | how does that relate to storing fernet keys off of the filesystem? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | load it the way we do the Kerberos modules | 18:24 |
| ayoung | dstanek, that is what Custodia is for | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | secret delivery. Can be stored in the kernel keyring, delivered vuia DBSU, or a few other options | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | https://github.com/latchset/custodia | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | so maybe we should remove the implementation details of the fernet key store spec and make it super general, | 18:25 |
| dstanek | i'm not following why it's an oslo.config thing | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, and, if that does not work for everyone, at least we have a proof-of-concept in place for doing secrets securely in oslo, maybe using different plugins there | 18:25 |
| ayoung | dstanek, because you are thinking about how Fernet is done today | 18:26 |
| ayoung | which is dumb | 18:26 |
| ayoung | it is dumb because it has to be | 18:26 |
| dstanek | i was thinking something super simple like a backend that has a single method that returns a list of keys. | 18:26 |
| ayoung | because we did not give proper key support in oslo-config so lbragstad and the other Fernet devs had to solve it themselves | 18:26 |
| dstanek | i don't want to do something that would make us depend on another service | 18:26 |
| ayoung | dstanek, oh, we could do that,. | 18:26 |
| ayoung | but then we still have database passwords in config files | 18:27 |
| ayoung | and rabbit passwords | 18:27 |
| ayoung | and all that crap | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | solve it once; and then Fernet makes use of that solution. As does credentials | 18:27 |
| dstanek | ayoung: i'm not saying that we shouldn't try to get rid of it only that making keystone depend on another service is a big deal | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, it isn't | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, it is going to depend on oslo-config. Only that | 18:28 |
| dstanek | keystone -> oslo.config -> credentia? | 18:28 |
| ayoung | Custodia will be there only for people that want it off system | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | so - where is oslo.config going to store things? | 18:28 |
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| dstanek | or are you proposing make introduce the idea of backends to olso.config | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, I am proposing, on a key-by-key bases, to have backends for oslo.config | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | that's how i understood it | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | I know who is going to implement this, but I am not yet at liberty to say | 18:29 |
| dolphm | so, fernet keys would be a multistringopt? | 18:30 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think so, yes | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | does it rhyme with Shemed Bat? | 18:30 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, nope | 18:30 |
| dolphm | i've never met a deployer that could deal with multistring opts | 18:30 |
| ayoung | dolphm, heh | 18:30 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it could still be 3 string options: fernet1 fernet2 fernet3 | 18:30 |
| ayoung | I don't really care | 18:30 |
| dstanek | if we only do this in oslo.config then key rotation will suck for file based keys | 18:31 |
| ayoung | dstanek, key rotation already sucks unless you are doing it solely on a single instance | 18:31 |
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| lbragstad | it was designed to work for a cluster from a single instance | 18:32 |
| dolphm | to be orchestrated, though | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | yeah but that is nothing like a complete solution. Copying around cleartext keys is a poor security mechanism | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | that's not really different than copying around secrets in config files in plain text | 18:33 |
| dstanek | i'm just saying that we need to understand the whole picture before we change direction too much | 18:34 |
| ayoung | so...we should be able to continue to support the fernet-in-its-own file thing via oslo anyway, as we already have some code like that for domain specific backends | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | do we agree that we *don't* want to pursue a pluggable fernet backend? | 18:34 |
| ayoung | so...let me redefine the problem | 18:34 |
| dolphm | i've been trying to read back, and i'm lost as to what the problem being solved here actually is? | 18:34 |
| dstanek | i'd be interesting in seeing an x-project spec that deals with oslo.config, rotation, etc. | 18:34 |
| ayoung | how do we manage secrets; fernet, credentials, sql passwrods, and rabbit passwords | 18:35 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm i'm revisiting all the carry over topics from ocata | 18:35 |
| dstanek | dolphm: there is a want to make a fernet backend for keystorage | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | i really just need to know if we want to pursue the fernet key store backend spec | 18:35 |
| dstanek | so that someone can store in DB, something else, etc and not on the filesystem | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | or if I can remove it from the backlog | 18:35 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: someone actively wanted that...are they still interested? | 18:35 |
| dolphm | dstanek: oh, sure. how does this relate to oslo.config? barbican does not return config files | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | dstanek i thought that was breton but I could be wrong | 18:36 |
| dstanek | dolphm: ayoung wants to update oslo.config to optionally use a third-party service to store passwords so that they are not in the config file | 18:36 |
| dstanek | it's on tangentially related | 18:36 |
| ayoung | right | 18:36 |
| ayoung | and I want fernet and credentials keys to use that same mechanism | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | if that's the case - we should document the need for a pluggable backend of somekind and fix the spec | 18:37 |
| dstanek | if we do break this up into backends then one for that wouldn't be terribly hard | 18:37 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, I am waiting for the person that is going to work on this to take it over. I'll let that person write the spec | 18:37 |
| dstanek | i don't think that's necesarily a pike thing....but is fernet backends? | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | ayoung can you suggest to said person to take over the fernet backend spec? | 18:38 |
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| breton | dstanek: lbragstad: it was me for a specific reason -- containers | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | or update it if/when we come to consensus on the approarch? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, if and only if it is done by Custodia (first) as that is what the engineer is hired to work on. Otherwise, that person will just work on oslo.config support for secrets. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | not my call | 18:39 |
| breton | dstanek: lbragstad: it was solved for containers and i don't work at a place where containers are, so i don't want that that much any more | 18:39 |
| breton | but ayoung has a point | 18:39 |
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| dstanek | breton: ah right | 18:39 |
| ayoung | dstanek, lbragstad please read up on Custodia, and I will have the person working on it engage as soon as orientation is complete | 18:40 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: if nobody i actively asking for it i say punt | 18:40 |
| dstanek | we can always revisit later if/when someone cares | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | alright | 18:40 |
| dstanek | ayoung: it sounds like a simple version of barbican | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | works for me | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to remove the fernet pluggable backend spec linking back to this discussion | 18:41 |
| ayoung | dstanek, that ideas are very comparable | 18:41 |
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| lbragstad | #topic Backlogged specs: Using alembic for migrations | 18:41 |
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| dstanek | woot - another one bites the dust | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | do we have consensus that this is not needed? | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | that was prior to all the work for rolling upgrades | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | which makes our structure around using sqla a little more involved | 18:42 |
| rderose | lbragstad: ++ not needed | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | so - i would have imagined that if we wanted to accomplish this, we would have done so before we implemented rolling upgrade support | 18:43 |
| dstanek | i thought migrate was on it's last let and we will need to move eventually | 18:43 |
| bknudson_ | we might not have a choice if sqlalchemy-migrate is dropped | 18:43 |
| dstanek | bknudson_: ++ | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | sqla-migrate might be dropped? | 18:44 |
| dstanek | this wasn't for rolling upgrades it was because alembic is the new, supported hottness | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | right | 18:44 |
| bknudson_ | I don't think it's being maintained anymore. | 18:44 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: iiuc it's dead | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | sweet | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | so that means we still want to replace sqla-migrate with that | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | so - does it make sense to update the alembic spec specifying the need to keep it around for that case? | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: should be nice to have this cycle if that does not take too much effort | 18:45 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: probably | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: it does for me | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | well - that's the real question... so far i don't think i've heard much negative feedback on our current approach | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | so if it's any more than trivial i would probably not spend cycles on it | 18:46 |
| dstanek | we forked it to make updates since it's dead https://github.com/openstack/sqlalchemy-migrate | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | s/it's/moving to alembic/ | 18:46 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: agreed.... we are ok in the short term | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #action update the alembic spec to clarify the need if sqla-migrate goes away | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | i think we have time for one more | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #topic Backlogged specs: Centralized Policies Distribution Mechanism | 18:47 |
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| bknudson_ | I wonder how many projects are using sqlalchemy-migrate? | 18:47 |
| dolphm | glance *just* switched to alembic | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/backlog/centralized-policies-delivering-mechanism.html | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | does this still make sense? | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: I think all those in policy should be invalid/on hold for now | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | given the agreed cross-project directions/priorities | 18:49 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: ++ i don't know how to reconcile that with our current nova-driven direction | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | yeah - i'm inclined to say the same | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | we're not focusing on centralizing it in any way inthe cross-project, at least now | 18:49 |
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| samueldmq | exactly | 18:49 |
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| knikolla | ayoung: that includes role check in middleware i believe | 18:49 |
| ayoung | depends on whether my talk gets approved | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | would be nice to keep'em in a separate place (things-we-might-consider-revisiting-in-the-future), but not backlog | 18:50 |
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| * samueldmq refers to his specs on centralizing policy on keystone and fetching'em on middleware for enforcement | 18:51 | |
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| lbragstad | if after all the policy-in-code and documentation work happens we have a clear path forward with an approach that centralizes policy, we can repropose it | 18:52 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | #action remove Centralized Policies Distribution Mechanism spec from backlog | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | alright - we can be done there... leaves some time for open discussion | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:53 |
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| lbragstad | bueller? | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: there was also Decouple auth from API version and Materialized Path for HMT | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | want to discuss that next time ? | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq yeah - i figured we can discuss those next week | 18:54 |
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| samueldmq | neat | 18:54 |
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| lbragstad | does anyone have anything they want to talk about from the ptg? | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | I should have a recap posted sometime today that summarizes things from a keystone-perspective | 18:55 |
| dstanek | i enjoyed the PTG - from my perspective it was just like the design summit, but maybe more focused | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | dstanek ++ | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | I'm curious to see how the feedback gets rolled into the next one | 18:56 |
| samueldmq | same here, although the first 2 days (cross-proj) might need some restructure/organization on topics | 18:56 |
| samueldmq | participation was quite low on the first 2 days when compared to the rest | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | yeah - i'm going to try and push to be there the first two days next time, if we follow the same horizontal/vertical format | 18:57 |
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| samueldmq | nice | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | other than that, it was great to see you all there :) | 18:57 |
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| lbragstad | ++ yeah - it was a good week | 18:58 |
| rderose | samueldmq: ++ | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | unless anyone has anything else, i'll let everyone get a couple minutes back | 18:58 |
| dstanek | yeah, that was a little difficult, but i think was mostly company driven | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | dstanek true | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | dstanek that could be a thing that is cleared up with communication, too | 18:59 |
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| lbragstad | well - thanks for coming everyone! | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 18:59:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: thanks! | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-02-28-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-02-28-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-02-28-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: yep. it was just thefirst one :-) | 18:59 |
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| fungi | infra team, conjugate! | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | fungi: does that require doing maths? | 19:00 |
| fungi | even better... grammar! | 19:00 |
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| Zara | gerund gerund gerund | 19:00 |
| Zara | did I do it right | 19:00 |
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| fungi | this week we have topics proposed by ianw, pabelanger, clarkb, fungi | 19:01 |
| JayF | /win 22 | 19:01 |
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| JayF | sorry :( | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:02 |
| bkero | o/ | 19:02 |
| blancos | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 19:03:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| fungi | clarkb: want to #info the zanata maintenance here? | 19:03 |
| clarkb | sure | 19:04 |
| fungi | we can cover general discussion about it later | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | #info upgrading translate.openstack.org to Xenial + java 8 + zanata 3.9.6 Wednesday March 1 at 2300 UTC | 19:04 |
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| fungi | thanks! | 19:04 |
| clarkb | this adds a bunch of features that the translators have been asking for | 19:04 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-14-19.03.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:05 |
| fungi | "1. (none)" | 19:05 |
| fungi | and done | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
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| fungi | we don't seem to have anything new up this week, though there are a few hanging out there that could use some eyeballs | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/434951 Stackalytics Persistent Cache | 19:07 |
| fungi | that one in particular could stand to get some attention since it is basically the last bit standing between us and being able to move to running stackalytics.openstack.org as production | 19:07 |
| fungi | so anybody with an interest in stackalytics, please weigh in | 19:08 |
| clarkb | fungi: isn't that something better for the stackalytics devs to weigh in on? | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | I guess I don't really feel like I'd be a great reviewer | 19:08 |
| fungi | well, we need to review it from the standpoint of whether this is a fit for the current automation and configuration management issues we have with the service | 19:08 |
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| pabelanger | I can take a look, only because I helped get stackalytics.o.o online. But would agree with clarkb , we should ping core reviewers on stackalytics | 19:09 |
| fungi | but yes, the implementation on the stackalytics side would still need buy-off from their maintainers | 19:09 |
| fungi | mrmartin: ^ reminder that the stackalytics devs should also take a look at that spec | 19:10 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:10 |
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| fungi | nothing called out specifically here for this week, but we got a lot tackled at the ptg last week | 19:10 |
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| fungi | #topic Apache workers on static.o.o (ianw) | 19:11 |
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| ianw | hi, this has caused several problems for me lately | 19:11 |
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| fungi | looks like the first change linked there has already merged | 19:12 |
| ianw | people reporting job failures, and on monday at least two reports for static.o.o and docs.o.o of intermittent connections | 19:12 |
| ianw | did i link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426639/ ? | 19:12 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/426639 Switch static.openstack.org to worker MPM | 19:12 |
| pabelanger | I gave a +2 a while back, thought we were ready to move it into production | 19:12 |
| pabelanger | didn't +3 as couldn't monitor | 19:13 |
| ianw | yeah, i just didn't want to go fiddling with it without consensus | 19:13 |
| fungi | oh, right, it didn't get workflow +1 yet, i misread | 19:13 |
| jeblair | +2. is mpm-event in xenial? | 19:14 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2017-02-26.log.html#t2017-02-26T23:57:30 discussion of job failures and user downtime | 19:14 |
| clarkb | jeblair: its the default in xenial iirc | 19:14 |
| jeblair | so this might be short lived if we organize our xenial virtual sprint | 19:14 |
| ianw | i believe that the xenial version has, however, put in fixes for this particular issue | 19:14 |
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| pabelanger | ++ | 19:15 |
| ianw | alright, if no major issues then i might babysit it this afternoon when it's quiet. in theory, at least, it should just be an apache restart | 19:15 |
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| fungi | yeah, i can't personally participate in the xenial upgrades sprint until at least week-after-next but hope we can do that rsn | 19:16 |
| fungi | ianw: sounds fine to me. go for it | 19:16 |
| fungi | anything else we need to cover on this topic? | 19:17 |
| ianw | nope /EOT | 19:17 |
| fungi | #topic migrate github/bagpipe-bgp into openstack/networking-bagpipe (pabelanger) | 19:18 |
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| pabelanger | so, clarkb and I talked a little about this topic this morning. I think we have it under control now. | 19:18 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/438573 migrate github/bagpipe-bgp into openstack/networking-bagpipe | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | I wasn't sure if we had an automated process for re-import or it was manual | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | looks like manual wins out | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | so, we just need to schedule this with project owner I think | 19:19 |
| fungi | right, there's no automation since we expect it to be a rare occurrence | 19:19 |
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| pabelanger | great, thats all I had | 19:19 |
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| fungi | excellently brief topic! | 19:19 |
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| fungi | #topic translate.openstack.org upgrade (clarkb) | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | ohai | 19:20 |
| clarkb | juts wanted to let people know that things are going well on this and plan to run through it tomorrow | 19:20 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/translate.o.o-upgrade translate server upgrade maintenance plan | 19:20 |
| clarkb | translate-dev has been ahppy on new code once I igured out how jboss and zanata are different | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ianychoi has tested translate-dev and is happy with it | 19:20 |
| clarkb | so now we are ready to do production | 19:20 |
| fungi | is translate-dev back to authenticating against openstackid-dev.o.o now? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | fungi: there is a change up for that but I don't think it has merged | 19:21 |
| clarkb | let me find it really quick | 19:21 |
| fungi | nevermind, i just tested and it's not | 19:21 |
| clarkb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419667/ | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | please read through the etherpad steps and let me know if you think anything is missing | 19:21 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/419667 Switch to openstackid-dev for translate-dev | 19:22 |
| clarkb | we are doing it at an apac friendly time so that ianychoi and others can help test once done | 19:22 |
| fungi | i'll go ahead and approve that one now | 19:22 |
| pabelanger | I can be on standby if needed | 19:23 |
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| fungi | 23:00 utc wednesday. i _may_ be around or might show up partway into the maintenance | 19:23 |
| fungi | hard to know what dinner plans will be with family here | 19:24 |
| fungi | but i'll review the changes you've got linked in the pad at least | 19:24 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: I don't mind doing it | 19:24 |
| fungi | thanks pabelanger! | 19:24 |
| clarkb | thanks | 19:24 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/438738 Add translate01 to cacti | 19:25 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/438737 Update db creds for translate01.o.o | 19:25 |
| clarkb | note ^ is WIP because I don't want new server talking to db until we are ready to switch | 19:25 |
| fungi | yep, i assumed so | 19:26 |
| fungi | looks like it hasn't actually saved a db dump yet | 19:27 |
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| fungi | i guess that merged more recently than utc midnight | 19:27 |
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| fungi | nothing in the etherpad is jumping out at me as overlooked or concerning | 19:28 |
| clarkb | oh it should've done a db dump since I manually ran one | 19:28 |
| clarkb | fungi: I ran both the mysqldump command and bup command from cron (in that order) to jump start the backup process | 19:29 |
| fungi | the /var/backups/mysql_backups dir is empty except for what looks like a logrotated empty file | 19:29 |
| fungi | on translate01 | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | fungi: on translate.openstack.org? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | ya translate01 does not have backups yet | 19:29 |
| clarkb | translate.o.o had never had backups so I wanted those in place first, then will transition backups to 01 when we switch | 19:30 |
| fungi | got it. i saw it had the dump job in its crontab, but i guess it doesn't have access to the production db yet anyway | 19:30 |
| clarkb | correct | 19:30 |
| fungi | you're going to use zuul enqueue-ref to test/prime teh periodic translation jobs? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | ya | 19:32 |
| clarkb | well not enqueue-ref since they re periodic iirc | 19:32 |
| clarkb | enqueue? | 19:32 |
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| fungi | enqueue needs a change id | 19:32 |
| fungi | and patchset | 19:32 |
| fungi | enqueue-ref can be provided a branch tip or whatever | 19:33 |
| clarkb | ah ok | 19:33 |
| fungi | though i guess the ref itself is irrelevant in that case | 19:33 |
| clarkb | right just need to say run nova's periodic translation jobs early | 19:33 |
| fungi | i haven't personally tried manually enqueuing a periodic job in zuul. you might find you have to compose a trigger-job.py invocation for each one instead | 19:33 |
| fungi | but hopefully the zuul cli works in this case | 19:34 |
| clarkb | otherwise they run around 0600 UTC which is quite a bit later | 19:34 |
| clarkb | I will sort out what the command to enqueue periodic jobs is | 19:36 |
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| fungi | might save you some time later | 19:37 |
| fungi | okay, anything else on this? if not, open discussion ensues | 19:37 |
| clarkb | I don't have anything else. ianychoi has done a bunch of user side testing and I think I have the system side sorted so expect it to be mostly happyness (now I have jinxed it) | 19:38 |
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| fungi | well, here's hoping that if nothing else, we only need to upgrade to zanata 3.9.6 once | 19:38 |
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| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | for open discussion more and more groups seem interested in upgrading our nodepool builders | 19:39 |
| clarkb | we might want to schedule that oto | 19:39 |
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| fungi | in service of assembling a ptg summary, i've seeded an etherpad from the zuul v3 accomplishments mentioned in yesterday's zuul meeting | 19:40 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-pike-recap brainstorming pad for ptg recap | 19:40 |
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| fungi | people who worked on other things during the ptg (storyboard, translations tooling, job failure diagnosis, et cetera) please add some bullets! | 19:41 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: agreed, should be something we can roll into production | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | looking at the puppetry for builders it apperas that we should already work with systemd except for possibly needing to do the systemctl command to reload units (in this case our sys v scripts) | 19:41 |
| pabelanger | We'd need xenial for epensuse images too | 19:41 |
| felipemonteiro | Hi, Mirantis currently hosts Murano's CI environment. They've expressed interest in moving it to me. Would it be possible to have infra do this? | 19:41 |
| fungi | felipemonteiro: does it do anything special or have any special requirements which they were unable to upstream previously? | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: can you elaborate on 'upgrading our nodepool builders'? | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: ianw/dib have wanted us to upgrade to xenial from trusty to be closer to how dib is running CI. And SUSE is interested in building suse images but that requires zypper install that works which isn't available on trusty but is on xenial | 19:43 |
| fungi | adding xenial-based builders | 19:43 |
| felipemonteiro | fungi: I doubt it. Serg Melikyan told me it's "1 medium sized VM with Jenkins and 1 hardware node with 96 RAM". | 19:43 |
| clarkb | jeblair: so adding xenial based builders, then deleting the trusty ones | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | gotcha | 19:44 |
| mordred | felipemonteiro: the hardware node with 96 ram would be the thing that might make running the jobs in infra tricky | 19:44 |
| mordred | felipemonteiro: is that node just being used as a source of vms? | 19:44 |
| mordred | (I believe I remember Serg was doing things with libvirt builders) | 19:44 |
| jeblair | clarkb, fungi, pabelanger: sounds good to me. we wanted to only change one variable at a time with nodepool. i think we're good to change the next now. ;) | 19:44 |
| fungi | felipemonteiro: you probably want to look at https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/testing.html to confirm there are no known show-stoppers for you | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | felipemonteiro: mordred fungi I think what we'd want to do is port the jobs over into our infra and not host a separate jenkins | 19:45 |
| fungi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/testing.html Test Environment documentation | 19:45 |
| mordred | clarkb: yes | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: ya, I'm not rushing nodepool-builder swap. Maybe in a few weeks :) | 19:45 |
| mordred | clarkb, felipemonteiro: yes. that is | 19:45 |
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| ianw | i'm happy to take as an action item getting a xenial builder into some pre-production state | 19:46 |
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| ianw | i would like that for dib reasons | 19:46 |
| mordred | clarkb: also s/not host a separate jenkins/not host a jenkins at all/ | 19:46 |
| clarkb | ianw: cool, I think that would be a good first step to just make sure that systemd and friends work due to funnyness around how puppet deals with that | 19:46 |
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| fungi | #action ianw launch a "beta" nodepool builder on xenial | 19:47 |
| clarkb | ianw: I half expect our post puppet reboot to fix that for our first install, but in general case it may not work since you need a systemctl load-units or whatever to pick up sysv scripts | 19:47 |
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| ianw | if that's the only systemd issue, i think we call ourselves lucky :) | 19:48 |
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| felipemonteiro | mordred: Thanks. I'll check with Mirantis to see if these requirements are good enough for murano-ci. | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | felipemonteiro: so I think you want to read over the document that fungi linked to understand the limitations involved, then if you can work with those start porting your jobs into our CI by adding new jobs like everyone else | 19:49 |
| mordred | felipemonteiro: awesome. | 19:49 |
| felipemonteiro | clarkb: You mentioned how you don't want to host a separate Jenkins...does this mean you want everything infra if I understood correctly? | 19:49 |
| felipemonteiro | in infra | 19:50 |
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| mordred | felipemonteiro: yes | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | felipemonteiro: right we would not take over the setup by running a new jenkins for you. Instead you would need to run your jobs as first party jobs in infra | 19:50 |
| mordred | felipemonteiro: either all of the jobs should just be ported into our project-config repo and run as normal jobs, or none of it should be run in infra | 19:50 |
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| blancos | I had a question regarding setting up CI gates for a new(ish) project | 19:51 |
| mordred | if the jobs are already written in jenkins-job-builder, then porting them over into project-config should be _fairly_ easy | 19:51 |
| clarkb | blancos: feel free to ask, or hop over to #openstack-infra after the meeting and ask there | 19:52 |
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| felipemonteiro | mordred: I see. I'll try to get more information regarding whether it's just the ci jobs that are hosted by Mirantis. I have no objection with moving everything to infra. | 19:52 |
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| pabelanger | ++ | 19:53 |
| mordred | felipemonteiro: cool. if it's possible, it certainly seems like a good direction! | 19:53 |
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| blancos | clarkb: I guess the question is really just procedural; i.e., what's needed from me? | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | blancos: you'll need to propose changes to openstack-infra/project-config that adds jobs in jenkins/jobs and then tells zuul to run them via zuul/layout.yaml | 19:54 |
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| fungi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#add-basic-jenkins-jobs Project Creator’s Guide: Add Basic Jenkins Jobs | 19:55 |
| fungi | blancos: ^ not sure if you've been following that guide | 19:55 |
| blancos | fungi: Thank you :) | 19:55 |
| ayoung | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-keystone/ | 19:56 |
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| ayoung | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/ | 19:56 |
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| fungi | ayoung: those are fun | 19:57 |
| ayoung | sorry wrong room | 19:57 |
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| fungi | ayoung: no problem. thought maybe you were reporting a problem/need wrt those | 19:57 |
| ayoung | nah, more as a solution to other problems fungi | 19:58 |
| fungi | okay, open discussion seems to be winding down. i'll go ahead and polish up the ptg recap this evening. don't forget to add your highlights to the recap etherpad if you have any | 19:58 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 19:58 |
| clarkb | I'm going to enter a cave this afternoon to do track chair duties for summit | 19:58 |
| clarkb | I will try to watch irc for fires but really need to get ^ done before dealdine | 19:59 |
| fungi | i have family in town still so am mostly not around | 19:59 |
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| fungi | and that basically brings us to time for the tc meeting, up now! | 19:59 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 19:59:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-28-19.03.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-28-19.03.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-28-19.03.log.html | 19:59 |
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| dims | o/ | 20:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
| * dims back just in time | 20:00 | |
| thingee | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 20:01 |
| smcginnis | . | 20:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dtroyer, flaper87, fungi, mordred, mtreinish, stevemar: around ? | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:01 |
| thingee | excellent first ptg! | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
| * rockyg is pretending to be at a live meeting while really sitting in the back eating popcorn...want some? | 20:01 | |
| dims | thingee ++ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 28 20:01:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| mtreinish | ttx: o/ | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| thingee | good work to ttx and diablo_rojo and erin disney for planning it | 20:01 |
| ttx | sdague has an unexpected family thing to take care of | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 20:01 |
| mtreinish | ttx: sdague said he won't be able to make it today | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| mtreinish | heh, I'm too slow :) | 20:02 |
| ttx | mtreinish: yeah, saw that | 20:02 |
| ttx | reordered agenda a bit in consequence | 20:02 |
| ttx | (friendly remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary) | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic move the UX team to legacy status | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/437957 | 20:02 |
| ttx | Was proposed following the discussion @ http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109622.html | 20:02 |
| EmilienM | ship it | 20:02 |
| ttx | We'll definitely have a Forum discussion about how to drive future UX efforts | 20:02 |
| ttx | Most likely using a workgroup (like the API WG) if there are enough people interested | 20:03 |
| ttx | In the mean time, should retire the "project team" since it doesn't even have a PTL | 20:03 |
| thingee | ++ working group | 20:03 |
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| mtreinish | ttx: I think UX makes a lot more sense as a WG | 20:03 |
| * edleafe tiptoes in late | 20:03 | |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, good plan to discuss at the forum with a working group | 20:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, to create one | 20:03 |
| ttx | ok, approving now | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | yeah, working group sounds like a better format for UX | 20:03 |
| ttx | done | 20:03 |
| * flaper87 states what everyone has stated already | 20:03 | |
| ttx | #topic PTG postmortem | 20:03 |
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| ttx | Any feedback on PTG ? | 20:04 |
| ttx | We already identified a number of potential improvements | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | AWESOME PTG! | 20:04 |
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| ttx | Like doing a smarter split, or making the schedule more globally visible | 20:04 |
| dtroyer | Overall I was very happy with the format | 20:04 |
| ttx | But need to be careful to not kill what made the event great | 20:04 |
| * flaper87 calms down | 20:04 | |
| * notmyname wishes we'd had more ops present | 20:04 | |
| lbragstad | notmyname ++ | 20:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, something more globaly visible, certainly for the first two days cross project things | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | the feedback I got was quite positive | 20:04 |
| thingee | flaper87: ++ | 20:04 |
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| dhellmann | I've seen a couple of people suggest a bit more scheduling for cross-project discussions on the first few days, and I think that might help. Especially for the goals rooms. | 20:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, more ops would have been nice, although in Nova we were lucky | 20:04 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | I wonder if PTG + Ops meetup would make sense | 20:05 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: yeah, I think that would definitely help | 20:05 |
| jbryce | johnthetubaguy: i was actually going to ask about that | 20:05 |
| notmyname | johnthetubaguy: YES! | 20:05 |
| dims | ttx : it was great!. 2 items as feedback - 1) shorten the first 2 days to a 1-1/2 days and 2) more structure, better time slots for the first 2 days | 20:05 |
| thingee | combine the ops midcycle? | 20:05 |
| ttx | Last I checked they wanted to keep them separate | 20:05 |
| lbragstad | dhellmann I would agree | 20:05 |
| ttx | and go local | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | In general, it'd be great to provide a way for teams to make their agenda public, even if it's not immutable (ethercal?) | 20:05 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: we'll fix that next time I guess | 20:05 |
| notmyname | ttx: yeah, but that was the same exact thing that individual prject teams said too ;-) | 20:05 |
| fungi | i thought the ptg worked out great, wouldn't change much. maybe small incremental improvements | 20:05 |
| jbryce | at one point we did have an idea to potentially colocate, but it seemed like there was some pushback from both dev and ops side. i'm open to having that discussion again though | 20:05 |
| edleafe | Yeah, +1 to a clearer schedule | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : ++, though ethercalc doesn't work on a phone, so it's not great when moving between rooms | 20:05 |
| lbragstad | fwiw - keystone approached it very similar to how we schedule midcycles and that seemed to work well for us | 20:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | now... the forum, depending might be the dev + ops thing we need, but hard to tell till we try that I guess | 20:06 |
| dims | ++ dhellmann | 20:06 |
| thingee | if they're not combined, I'd imagine we'd always hit this problem for people to justify to employers ptg + forum + ops midcycle | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: good point | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | i guess some tool like that that would allow for mutable schedules to be published | 20:06 |
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| ttx | right, once we have one "forum" the ops+dev feedback loop will be clearer | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | jbryce : if the point is to have an opportunity for contributor teams to focus internally on their work, I'm not sure colocation helps. Isn't that what the forum is for? | 20:06 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ++ | 20:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | hearing from the smaller projects was interesting, they had a lot more time, and benefited from that | 20:06 |
| dims | ttx : jbryce : i saw numbers posted on -ptg channel. repost here for wider audience? :) | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | that way everyone can know what the heck is going on in each room | 20:06 |
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| notmyname | there's still a lot of confusion around what the PTG means for the summit or forum (or even what those are) and who should be where | 20:06 |
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| ttx | 508 registered with 478 on site | 20:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: but... without operators answering out questions in the Nova room, I am sure we would go way off track | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : even something that pulled from the ethercalc and presented a scrollable html page might be good enough | 20:07 |
| jbryce | dhellmann: i agree, just throwing it out there for discussion | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: ++ | 20:07 |
| fungi | curious what the drive to add more non-upstream-developer operators into the mix is. i thought we wanted to push operator and user feedback to the forum | 20:07 |
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| ttx | Anyway, that's a good cue for the next topic | 20:07 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: yah - I liked how we had folks from 'smaller' projects in the importnat conversations | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : I'm not saying exclude everyone, I'm just not sure turning this into another giant event will solve the problem we said the split was addressing | 20:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: its more it was obviously missing, I think once the forum happens, yeah, it might be different | 20:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mordred: true, it worked both ways I think | 20:08 |
| dims | ++ johnthetubaguy | 20:08 |
| mordred | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: yeah, it might just be a messaging thing, the 3/4 ops folks in our room was great, but they came to our midcycles anyways, so maybe they don't count | 20:08 |
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| * mordred wonders if there is a difference in pre-incrementing and post-incrementing a johnthetubaguy | 20:08 | |
| johnthetubaguy | heh | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : some balance with more than 0 ops would be good | 20:09 |
| ttx | Alright -- if you have more feedback, the survey should still be up | 20:09 |
| jbryce | it's probably a good idea to get through the full cycle (ptg, ops meetup, forum) and then see if we're getting the right interactions or not | 20:09 |
| * mordred tweets that johnthetubaguy said some ops people don't count | 20:09 | |
| ttx | jbryce: yes | 20:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | mordred: heh | 20:09 |
| mordred | jbryce: ++ | 20:09 |
| ttx | which brings up to next topic | 20:09 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: heh, yeah the nova room looked like the normal midcycle crowd when I was there | 20:09 |
| ttx | #topic Forum is next | 20:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mtreinish: yeah, which was nice | 20:09 |
| ttx | Boston Summit is in 10 weeks (!) | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | jbryce : mid-stream isn't the best time to change horses?! | 20:09 |
| ttx | We need to start building the schedule for the cross-community discussions at the "Forum" there | 20:09 |
| mordred | dhellmann: or replace horses with leopards? | 20:09 |
| mordred | ttx: oy. really? 10 weeks? | 20:10 |
| ttx | The general idea is to start collecting ideas on etherpad(s) | 20:10 |
| jbryce | dhellmann: ha...i'm known for being deliberative. especially about my horses = ) | 20:10 |
| ttx | Then to submit the result of that brainstorming to some CFP system (probably good old odsreg system) | 20:10 |
| mtreinish | ttx: that seems like its too soon :) | 20:10 |
| ttx | And then a group from TC / UC / Staff would select and schedule the discussion topics on available slots | 20:10 |
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| ttx | Plan is for 2 of each group to keep the committee small | 20:10 |
| * mtreinish hasn't even processed all his todos from the ptg yet | 20:10 | |
| ttx | So first question, who here would be interested in being part of that selection committee ? | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:10 |
| ttx | Better if your term does not finish in April I guess... So mordred sdague stevemar dhellmann emilienM fungi | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | damn | 20:11 |
| mtreinish | ttx: I can help with that I think | 20:11 |
| mtreinish | heh, or not :) | 20:11 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm happy to pitch in on it | 20:11 |
| dims | lol flaper87 | 20:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just to throw an idea out there, it seems like there are two sets of things: new ideas/requirements and prioritising the current planned things | 20:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: I am happy to help, but yeah, my term is closing soon too I think | 20:11 |
| EmilienM | ttx: I'm interested for sure | 20:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | are there other bit groups of things we want, rather than those two? I am curious | 20:12 |
| ttx | Then I think the TC should start a brainstorming etherpad, and invite other groups to start thinking about it | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : some sort of retrospective or issue list for ocata would be good | 20:12 |
| ttx | Should send something along the lines of http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-February/012793.html | 20:12 |
| * fungi wonders why we shouldn't extend the organizing to any tc emeritus and, well, maybe others in the community who are interested in helping | 20:12 | |
| jbryce | i'd add a 3rd set which i think is slightly different than your first one: more of the strategic higher level thinking for the future | 20:12 |
| fungi | ahh, invite other groups. got it | 20:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | (priority picking includes feedback on existing ideas) | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | fungi : anyone can contribute, but we need a small group to make decisions | 20:12 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yep, that seems fine | 20:13 |
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| dims | ack dhellmann | 20:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: yeah, I guess general feedback, the more typical ops sessions at the summit are a bit like that I guess | 20:13 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: I agree | 20:13 |
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| fungi | selection committee basically == track chairs | 20:13 |
| ttx | I think we need to get in the habit of discussing things that require ops presence at the Forum, vs. things that are mostly internal-facing at the PTG | 20:13 |
| ttx | which is why a full cycle will help | 20:13 |
| ttx | fungi: yes | 20:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: totally, we need to try that before we change course | 20:14 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: I think I like that idea better. | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | jbryce : I like the idea of near- vs. longer- term for framing it. Something like "how is ocata working out for you?" then "what are you interested in seeing in queens?" then "what about after queens?" | 20:14 |
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| dhellmann | although there will also be sessions on specific things like "how should quotas work?" | 20:15 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: yes, that is how the email on the ops list framed it | 20:15 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-February/012793.html | 20:15 |
| jbryce | dhellmann: yeah exactly. i think one of the big potential benefits of the forum is actually decoupling some conversations from a release cycle | 20:15 |
| * dhellmann hasn't looked at that email | 20:15 | |
| lbragstad | dhellmann that would be helpful for projects to determine priority for sure | 20:15 |
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| fungi | and the perennial ptl dunking booth, of course | 20:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the thing I don't want to miss is direct feedback on current ideas for the future, often the big problem is picking what things should be done first, discarding things that will not really help | 20:16 |
| ttx | ok, so the unquestionable volunteer would be EmilienM (fungi being Foundation staff could use one of the staff helper slots if nobody else takes it), so I'll work with him to get that email sent tomorrow | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : so a "we're planning X, are we headed in the right direction?" session | 20:17 |
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| fungi | thanks EmilienM! | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | well, I did nothing yet :P | 20:17 |
| ttx | EmilienM: we'll customize http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-February/012793.html | 20:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: yeah, and which of these 10 ideas should be our top 5 for next cycle | 20:17 |
| ttx | if you want to start on that work early | 20:17 |
| fungi | and yeah, don't want too much foundation representation on the committee | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | ttx: yes, let's work together offline | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | ttx: apparently I have a lot of opinions on this, too, so I can help if you need another non-staffer | 20:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: dependencies such of course, so its an interactive debate | 20:17 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you got it. | 20:17 |
| fungi | but i'm happy to be standby | 20:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/such/suck/ | 20:17 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: thanks :) | 20:18 |
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| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : yep. it'll be challenging to organize a session like that for every project team. | 20:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | getting the ops -> dev feedback working better is close to my heart, but yeah | 20:18 |
| ttx | #action EmilienM to work with ttx to announce the start of Forum brainstorming | 20:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: agreed, we would need to group stacks of things | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | we also need to make sure this is ops <-> contrib not just ops -> contrib | 20:19 |
| fungi | so i guess if projects are putting together their roadmaps, this provides a great opportunity to have the community help them filter it down | 20:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I drew the arrow wrong | 20:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | the problem is ops -> something -> dev always goes wrong | 20:19 |
| dims | how about the other groups like the LCOO folks? | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I wasn't picking on you, just highlighting how this is a different thing than some of our other feedback sessions | 20:20 |
| ttx | dims: forum is everyone <-> everyone | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: ^ | 20:20 |
| dims | yep | 20:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | flaper87: ? | 20:20 |
| ttx | OK, anything else on that topic ? | 20:21 |
| dims | biggest problem is turning the feedback we are getting into actionable items for the dev teams. any ideas there to do differently? | 20:21 |
| ttx | dims: I'd like the person who drives the discussion to post something at the end to the ML | 20:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: my reviewing of existing ideas is where we have seen the most success | 20:21 |
| ttx | to extend the discussion | 20:21 |
| ttx | I see Forum discussions as the start of a long story | 20:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, basically what ttx said | 20:22 |
| EmilienM | ttx: yes | 20:22 |
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| ttx | which is why the ops email frames it as "the start of the Queens cycle" | 20:22 |
| dims | right ttx johnthetubaguy | 20:22 |
| EmilienM | ttx: that can be transformes in specs in WGs or Community Goals for example | 20:22 |
| EmilienM | transformed * | 20:22 |
| mordred | yah | 20:22 |
| mordred | EmilienM: ++ | 20:22 |
| fungi | would be especially nice if representatives of the relevant dev teams were there to receive feedback, of course | 20:22 |
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| ttx | EmilienM: in time for being prioritized at the start of thde dev cycle 3 months later, yes | 20:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it has to be two way converation | 20:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | a debate | 20:23 |
| dims | fungi : right | 20:23 |
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| mordred | some of that will probably feel natural too at some point- the api/discovery discussions at the PTG seemed to produce some rough consensus on some topics which should probably get written up as goals at some point - I imagine similar things will emerge from the ops forum stuff | 20:24 |
| fungi | a team which is functioning well should be capable of directly turning that feedback into something actionable on their own, i would think | 20:24 |
| mordred | and the nice part about those is that all of the goals will get to start off with "the operators at the forum all said ..." | 20:24 |
| mordred | :) | 20:24 |
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| ttx | Not just ops. I'd like to see API users there too | 20:24 |
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| mordred | fungi: yah. being able to synthesize so that the teams have clear communication on what is actually being requested is the fun part | 20:25 |
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| mordred | ttx: wait - what? we want to hear from API users? | 20:25 |
| fungi | "the people who actually install and run your software put down their torches and pitchforks for a moment and said..." | 20:25 |
| ttx | mordred: shocking I know | 20:25 |
| clarkb | mordred: we can show up with API user hats on | 20:25 |
| mordred | clarkb: we need actual API user hats | 20:25 |
| mordred | that would be awesome | 20:25 |
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| * dtroyer makes a note... | 20:25 | |
| ttx | OK, I think we have enough to make process here... proposing we switch to next topic | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | fungi : let's not get ahead of ourselves by expecting them to put the torches down | 20:26 |
| fungi | fair enough ;) | 20:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: I am curious, how are we recruiting those API user folks? | 20:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | totally want more of that representation | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: that's a good question, I've very rarely heard from api users directly | 20:26 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: there are a number of tracks targeted to app developers at the summit | 20:26 |
| jbryce | the infra team is one of the best examples in the world | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | well except for mordred, but meh :) | 20:26 |
| fungi | johnthetubaguy: dfflanders is trying to find them from the foundation side too | 20:26 |
| ttx | By having a "Forum" that is not specifically branded "ops" or "devs" I hope to attract them | 20:26 |
| dtroyer | johnthetubaguy: we hear from them occasionally in -sdks | 20:26 |
| dims | mtreinish : lol | 20:27 |
| fungi | johnthetubaguy: tracking down and engaging with api users turns out to be challenging | 20:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | dtroyer: ah, good point, not sure that gets down to the project much, some of that is good | 20:27 |
| ttx | One of the issue with the old branding is that it encouraged separation | 20:27 |
| fungi | we mostly just get the ones wo show up to engage with us instead | 20:27 |
| jbryce | API users are definitely harder to find and i think they are less knowledgeable finding their way around the summit. if you have any specific sessions that you think would be important for them, we can probably do some direct outreach to some of the ones we know will be there | 20:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: +1, I am glad we restarting that effort | 20:27 |
| mordred | jbryce: we should make a big flashing sign "this way lovely API users" | 20:28 |
| fungi | yea, all leads appreciated | 20:28 |
| ttx | OK, we have a bit more to cover, so let's switch topics | 20:28 |
| ttx | #topic Board + TC workshop & TC visioning day in Boston next week | 20:28 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we should have an API users feedback rant session maybe? and direct them there in the keynote? | 20:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | (clutches as straws) | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: +UC, right? | 20:28 |
| ttx | we can come back to Forum brainstorming in open discussion at the end, time permitting | 20:28 |
| ttx | Next week we'll have a board + TC + UC workshop in Boston to try to tackle difficult strategic questions | 20:28 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes, title typo | 20:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: do we have a list of the topic in advance? | 20:28 |
| ttx | I had reservations that a 30+ people workshop could lead to anything useful... | 20:28 |
| ttx | but Allison Randall, Alan Clark and Mark Collier worked on a workshop structure that could lead to constructive results | 20:29 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: I can ask Alan to publish something yes | 20:29 |
| ttx | Event logistics @ | 20:29 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2017-February/001338.html | 20:29 |
| fungi | johnthetubaguy: from what i gather it's at least partly following that etherpad we've all been collaborating on | 20:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: that would be awesome, given how I think | 20:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: ack | 20:30 |
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| fungi | but i agree specific agenda items would be nice | 20:30 |
| AlanClark | The agenda is on the wiki:https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/8Mar2017BoardMeeting | 20:30 |
| AlanClark | that has links to the etherpads that you just referenced | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-strategic-review-board | 20:30 |
| * flaper87 is sad to be missing the workshop | 20:30 | |
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| dims | thanks AlanClark | 20:31 |
| fungi | thanks AlanClark! | 20:31 |
| ttx | Colette and I took the opportunity of having a good share of TC members around to tack a "TC visioning" exercise to the event | 20:31 |
| ttx | Makes the travel a bit more worthwhile | 20:31 |
| ttx | It will be driven by instructor(s) from ZingTrain, and Colette should be there too. | 20:31 |
| ttx | If you're looking for a hotel near the event, a number of us will be staying at the Godfrey. Some other(s) are at the Omni. | 20:31 |
| * dims will be commuting :) | 20:32 | |
| ttx | Or we can all crash dims's house | 20:32 |
| ttx | tempting I know | 20:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/8Mar2017BoardMeeting | 20:32 |
| dims | :) | 20:32 |
| fungi | i gather the kimpton (zero-nine?) overlooking the burying ground is pretty neat too | 20:32 |
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| ttx | neat but slightly more expensive :) | 20:32 |
| ttx | Questions on that event ? | 20:33 |
| * mordred waves at AlanClark | 20:33 | |
| ttx | I'll be arriving on Tuesday afternoon and departing late Thursday | 20:33 |
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| dhellmann | is anyone else going to be around for dinner Thursday evening? | 20:34 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:34 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: my plan is to drive up tues. and head out fri morning. I assume sdague is riding with me | 20:34 |
| thingee | dhellmann: o/ | 20:34 |
| mtreinish | so we'll likely both be around | 20:34 |
| dims | dhellmann : i should be able to make it | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | great, it sounds like we'll have several folks | 20:35 |
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| ttx | ok, if no more questions let's move on to next topic | 20:35 |
| fungi | i'm around, not departing until friday morning | 20:35 |
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| ttx | #topic Deprecate postgresql in OpenStack | 20:35 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/427880 | 20:35 |
| ttx | sdague is not around, so quick update on that | 20:36 |
| ttx | This was mentioned last week at PTG in the context of the "base services" discussion at the Arch WG | 20:36 |
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| ttx | Looks like one good way of approaching base services is to start with a set of viable options | 20:36 |
| ttx | ... delivering basic functionality that happens to be the common denominator | 20:36 |
| ttx | Then once the market picks a winner, we contract to that and start using more advanced features from that specific implementation | 20:36 |
| ttx | This review discussion shows that for databases we may be approaching the point where contraction makes sense | 20:36 |
| ttx | But for it to make sense we'd have to have MySQL-specific features we'd like to take advantage of. | 20:37 |
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| ttx | The main issues raised (on the review) are around different defaults and behaviors that the abstraction is not really hiding | 20:37 |
| ttx | My gripe about this is that we have OpenStack distributions at Huawei and SUSE (which arguably are rising rather than declining) using postgresql | 20:37 |
| ttx | So I'm wondering if the key problem is not that postgresql is creating a QA / abstraction gap, a gap that those distros should help filling | 20:37 |
| ttx | And if after this discussion they still don't, then it may make sense to proceed | 20:37 |
| ttx | Thoughts ? | 20:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the key problem is signalling we need more help to keep PostgresSQL supported | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | I'm concerned, based on what I've seen so far, that if folks who want PG show up to help maintain support, they'll be turned away. | 20:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | turned away, why? | 20:38 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: I think it may take more now than in the past to convince us that the help is long-term | 20:38 |
| ttx | dhellmann: why ? I still haven't seen a clear feature we'd start suing tomorrow in MySQL | 20:38 |
| thingee | dtroyer: ++ | 20:38 |
| ttx | using* | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | it seems like there is a very strong voice in favor of dropping support as quickly as possible and not encouraging any support | 20:39 |
| fungi | it's raised a more general concern for me, that any time we mention an alternative solution in official documentation the downstream consumers will assume that's an officially supported solution they can rely on | 20:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | its not really about using features in mysql, its about keeping postgres working, cause it seems to accidentally break all the time | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | ttx: no, I haven't seen anything either, that's why I'm concerned | 20:39 |
| thingee | fungi: ++ we're doing a disservice by claiming otherwise | 20:39 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: at least it has in the past | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yes, we need to be more careful there | 20:39 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: right, so if someone steps up to help and managed to convince us, I don't see why we should proceed | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: +1 I think a more general statement on support | 20:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ttx: I think deprecating it should never be considered one way, its the flag to get the help we need to change direction, but maybe thats just me | 20:40 |
| thingee | From the people that are using PG w/ openstack, I want to know who is using completely upstream code. Not their hacked together patches on top. | 20:40 |
| ttx | I don't like "support". I prefer to think in terms of base services | 20:40 |
| mtreinish | thingee: that's a good question | 20:41 |
| gordc | i've seen people fixing pgsql. i think you don't see a pgsql person in community is because quite frankly, it's not broken all the time. | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | and if there are d/s patches, why those patches have not been pushed upstream | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | it'd help us understand better the problem | 20:41 |
| thingee | flaper87: always a mind blowing question | 20:41 |
| dims | who can we ask? -operators ML? how do we reach the downstream folks? | 20:42 |
| jroll | I think the main problem here is, there's two arguments about postgres - some people say we're missing out on mysql-only optimizations, and others say we don't have the hands to do QA upstream | 20:42 |
| dtroyer | gordc: so it really is not in that bad of shape? just nobody to quickly jump in when things do happen? | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | flaper87, thingee : you're (a) assuming someone is carrying patches that (b) would be accepted upstream. Are those things true? | 20:42 |
| fungi | some of them have been weighing in on that resolution proposal | 20:42 |
| thingee | dims: sure. we had some public clouds come out and say they're using it | 20:42 |
| jroll | the former group of people will continue to say we should drop it, the latter might accept help | 20:42 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: I think the thing is we're not sure about a) | 20:43 |
| gordc | dtroyer: i would say a lot/most of the sql we use is rather generic and works on both. it's just that when it breaks, it's broken on consuming gates since a lot of projects don't test pgsql | 20:43 |
| ttx | jroll: actually 3 sides, as I mention in my review comment | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: not really assuming, tbh. I'm just saying that if that happens to be the case, I'd be interested to know why they have not been pushed. The answer could be they were already proposed and rejected or that there's been some other discussion | 20:43 |
| thingee | Not going to point fingers, but I have reasons to believe some are possibily not using complete upstream code. Which is why I ask this question | 20:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | for me its more about timely feedback loops, than extra patches | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : sure. If gordc is right and it doesn't break all that often, maybe there's not a huge set of patches out there, though. | 20:43 |
| ttx | thingee: that said, we should try to bring them back in the fold, rather than isolate them | 20:43 |
| dims | right thingee | 20:43 |
| jroll | ttx: ah yes, fair | 20:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | now the extra patches do slow down the feedback loops | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | I don't have reasons to believe there are d/s patches but if there happen to be, I'd like to know what drove that decision | 20:43 |
| thingee | and this is based on bug reports I get from things trying to use their clouds. mordred knows exactly what I'm talking about | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | to understand if we have a technology problem, a community problem or what else | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | thingee : ok, well, if we can't go on the record here I don't know how we address their concerns. | 20:44 |
| thingee | ansible, shade, etc | 20:44 |
| gordc | dhellmann: i guess that's also an argument for not supporting pgsql. because its rather easy to maintain out of tree since it needs very minor tweaks. | 20:44 |
| smcginnis | gordc: For now. | 20:45 |
| ttx | mordred: you mentioned at last meeting that we could leverage features only present in MySQL, if we dropped other support. Any example of a feature that projects would like to use ? | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | I'm guilty of saying "I'm not doing this any more" too (see requirements management), but that's a pretty blunt way to be asking for help. | 20:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that would change quickly | 20:45 |
| gordc | smcginnis: right. :) | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | gordc , smcginnis : right, that only lasts as long as we don't say "mysql-only is ok" and start having some sort of customizations put into place | 20:45 |
| mordred | ttx: for instance, knowing whether an schema alter can be done online or not varies very specifically by the type of alter that is happening | 20:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | so... if we create a resolution that says "we have a problem here that needs fixing" rather than mentioning support, would we merge that? | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : what problem do we have? | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: so to handle things _generically_ we have to put in rules that say things like "no column alters" - but in reality there are some that are safe and some that are not - but it's highly dependent on db backend | 20:46 |
| thingee | dhellmann, ttx have we actually verified pg jobs are passing today in gate? If not, and people are making it work somehow, there's your answer. These people that want it to continue should help us upstream continue the support. | 20:46 |
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| ttx | mordred: ok | 20:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: it keeps breaking, and we need help to keep that working and passing | 20:46 |
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| mordred | ttx: to the point where making it reasonable to validate the particular schema alter approach in the large is unworkable and we have to resort to always copying | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | thingee : and I reiterate, would those patches be accepted? because my sense is that some folks would -1 if not -2 them | 20:46 |
| mtreinish | thingee: we turned off the postgres jobs in the integrated gate a while ago | 20:47 |
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| thingee | mtreinish: exactly | 20:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | assuming it doesn't break the world, they would get accepted, but DB migrations are hard to modify without breaking the world | 20:47 |
| mordred | ttx: similarly, the way DDL works on MySQL+Galera is different than on MySQL+Replicatoin and is different still than how it works with postgres with or without postgres ha modes | 20:47 |
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| thingee | dhellmann: I would be in favor of not turning people away that want to help. It's just history has shown in this area people don't stick around to help. | 20:47 |
| fungi | ceilo was still running _a_ job that relied on pgsql until very recently tough, so that much at least was working | 20:47 |
| thingee | as dtroyer has pointed out | 20:47 |
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| fungi | s/tough/though/ | 20:48 |
| mordred | ttx: which prevents us from having our services take care of some of theoperations for our operators, because we'd need to know way too much about deployment choice sthey made - even though it's all knowable and actionable | 20:48 |
| ttx | mordred: basically I want to point out direct operational gains, rather than indirect development / maintenance gains | 20:48 |
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| mordred | ttx: right. these are direct operational gains | 20:48 |
| mordred | ttx: that we cannot develop as developers | 20:48 |
| ttx | so that the pain we introduce on the operational side is compensated by other operational gains | 20:48 |
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| thingee | ttx: It's also making the decision of whether or not OpenStack continues to provide options and not opinions of your deployment. | 20:48 |
| rockyg | realize that most folks running postgres are at least one, if not more releases behind. they aren't following trunk and would only fix stuff that would be backportable. Otherwise, maintain private patch | 20:49 |
| mordred | we basically _have_ to punt db ops to our operators rather than being able to aggressively take care of it for our operators | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | rockyg : good point | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | well its about where the options really help or not, vs how much we can help folks | 20:49 |
| thingee | as we have decided in the past with dlm, we decided to gate against (not yet) zookeeper. We claim support with other implementations because of tooz | 20:49 |
| ttx | mordred: ok, I think we need to express that more clearly in the review. I don't want this to turn into a "dev convenience vs. ops convenience" debate | 20:50 |
| mordred | ttx: totally. I honestly could not care less about dev convenience here | 20:50 |
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| mordred | not that I don't like devs | 20:50 |
| gordc | can we maybe shrink/split review... and start by removing any explicit 'postgresql is supported' text from docs? | 20:50 |
| mordred | I care more that we're literally held back from making more easily operatable things because of the split | 20:51 |
| fungi | yeah, if we're not testing it today, it's disingenuous to have documentation implying it's a supported option | 20:51 |
| ttx | we'll need to re-propose this as a patch to base-services.rst anyway | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | I don't feel like there's a middle ground here. We either need to say it's supported or say it's not. | 20:51 |
| thingee | fungi: ++ | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | because if we don't say either, we're just encouraging folks to carry patches on their own | 20:51 |
| dtroyer | gordc: like johnthetubaguy's recent (~2 hours old) comment splitting into three things? | 20:51 |
| thingee | I would say at this point, we say it's not | 20:51 |
| mordred | and as I said before, I'd personally be just as happy if the move were to only support postgres - my point is mostly that in being able to understand the real-world operational characteristics of the persistence layer, we can make operators lives easier | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | thingee : so what's the migration story for all of those deployments currently using it? | 20:52 |
| gordc | dtroyer: didn't read patch recently. will take a look | 20:52 |
| ttx | dhellmann: "openstack services can assume the presence of a MySQL-family database through oslo.db" -- doesn't mean it can't work with anything else, but just means you can take advantage of MySQL-specific optimizations | 20:52 |
| mordred | (albeit at a very real cost to a subset of the existing operators - which is why it's a difficult conversation) | 20:52 |
| rockyg | Since it's at least partly a resource problem, why not consider a third-party type of testing with the interested community members providing the hw and monitoring resources? | 20:52 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: the moment any application introduces mysql-specific logic somewhere, they will break all postgresql deployments. | 20:52 |
| thingee | dhellmann: they can continue doing their outside patches to keep it working. | 20:52 |
| * dims googles "migrate from postgres to mysql" | 20:52 | |
| rockyg | If the community doesn't come forward, well, they don't want it all that much | 20:53 |
| mordred | rockyg: because the problem I'm trying to solve is actually not a resource problem at all, it's a structural problem | 20:53 |
| thingee | dhellmann: I think it sucks from our perspective too that there is no support | 20:53 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes. And those will (like today) need patching to continue to work | 20:53 |
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| ttx | today they likely already do | 20:53 |
| ttx | since they are not CI-tested | 20:53 |
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| ttx | they can be broken at any time | 20:53 |
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| ttx | (not saying I agree, just unfolding the decision completely) | 20:54 |
| mordred | rockyg: we can't make openstack do more advanced things to manage itself (which is a complaint I get _constantly_ from the people who complain to me) because the semantics of data persistence layers are only marginally similar | 20:54 |
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| ttx | Anyway, sounds like a great side topic for our meeting next week :) Please continue debate on the review / ML thread | 20:54 |
| mordred | that we could stop installing postgres in the gate is not really a win that is worth anyone's pain | 20:54 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:55 |
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| ttx | We'll skip TC meeting next week as most will be traveling to Boston | 20:55 |
| EmilienM | imho, what is not Ci-tested shouldn't be supported | 20:55 |
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| EmilienM | ttx: sounds good | 20:55 |
| ttx | EmilienM: I think we need to stop saying "supported" as it is a bit misleading | 20:55 |
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| EmilienM | ttx: also that yes :) | 20:56 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ttx: we totally need to define what we mean by that (or not as the case maybe) | 20:56 |
| ttx | I prefer to reuse the language in base services. "Components can assume the presence of..." | 20:56 |
| ttx | which is the same without the implications of commercial support | 20:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | people use the phrase either way, I think we need to say what it means | 20:56 |
| fungi | (or even volunteer support) | 20:56 |
| dims | EmilienM : rockyg : if we do have third party CI which project(s) will they report success/failures to? | 20:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: yeah, thats a good way to say what we have | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | ttx: in this case, mordred seems to be making the case for "Components can assume the absence of Postgresql" | 20:57 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I think we'd keep oslo.db as the abstraction | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | oslo.db just gives you a connection, right? it doesn't prevent you from then doing db-specific things with it. | 20:57 |
| fungi | i don't know that having postgresql absent prevents projects from using mysql given they can assume _that_ will always be present | 20:57 |
| dims | dhellmann : so if they want to code their own migrations online or offline without using our migration scripts we should be ok? | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | it's not a full abstraction layer | 20:58 |
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| ttx | we also should not reject patches that make postgresql work, if that doesn't break MySQL | 20:58 |
| dims | ttx : until when? | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | dims : I'm just asking that we be honest, and not imply that it's going to be easy or possible for anyone to support postgresql in 6-12 months after we've done MySQL-specific things in applications. | 20:58 |
| dims | agree dhellmann | 20:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: the problem is understanding and validating those patches without CI | 20:58 |
| ttx | dims: It provides a useful abstraction for narrow use cases that want to plug another DB type (at their own risk) | 20:58 |
| fungi | third-party testing aside, it's also a bit much to ask projects not to "turn away" postgresql fixes they can't test reliably | 20:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: +1 for the more honest statement | 20:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | fungi: +1 | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | so we need to be honest with them that we're dropping support, and honest with ourselves that the change is going to be a big one with need for tools to help those existing contributors who have deployed with PG already. | 20:59 |
| fungi | johnthetubaguy types faster than i do ;) | 20:59 |
| dims | fungi : indeed | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | fungi : +1, we also don't want some projects accepting them and others rejecting them | 20:59 |
| dims | we get to rid the bandaid slowly... | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | at least not arbitrarily | 21:00 |
| dims | s/rid/rip/ | 21:00 |
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| dhellmann | if a team wants to keep supporting pg, that's fine | 21:00 |
| ttx | alright, time is up | 21:00 |
| bswartz | I don't see how you stop projects from accepting pg patches -- some of us still have pg in our gates, so we *have* to keep it working | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | ttx: thanks for chairing! | 21:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 28 21:01:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-02-28-20.01.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-02-28-20.01.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-02-28-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
| rockyg | Report upstream. which would mean they would report things that break Postgres, but would need to fix the PS stuff if it breaks not caused by code | 21:01 |
| rockyg | from OS | 21:01 |
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| dims | bswartz : the latest round of debate started when ceilometer had a gate job and nova fell down because of a recent change | 21:01 |
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| dims | ceilometer itself was fine... | 21:02 |
| fungi | can move discussion to #openstack-dev i guess | 21:02 |
| dims | +1 fungi | 21:02 |
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