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| lapusyonok | Hey | 04:32 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, can you help me to start meeting, I don't know yet. | 05:31 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 05:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: hang on | 05:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 05:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 05:32:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair gongysh | 05:33 |
| openstack | Current chairs: gongysh sridhar_ram | 05:33 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
| gongysh | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker | 05:33 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: take over | 05:33 |
| gongysh | thanks. sridhar_ram | 05:33 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sure | 05:33 |
| gongysh | who are here for tacker meeting? | 05:34 |
| tbh1 | hi all | 05:34 |
| KanagarajM | Hi | 05:34 |
| gongysh | tbh1, hi | 05:34 |
| diga | o/ | 05:34 |
| YanXing_an | hi | 05:34 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, how is the OpenO? | 05:34 |
| gongysh | diga, YanXing_an , hi | 05:35 |
| diga | gongysh: Hi | 05:35 |
| KanagarajM | gongysh, :) its nice ! | 05:35 |
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| KanagarajM | gongysh, we have next release sooner and is one more happening place | 05:36 |
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| gongysh | It seems we are on meeting without many core members. | 05:36 |
| Jimmy_ye | Hi | 05:36 |
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| gongysh | Jimmy_ye and YanXing_an are from china mobile. | 05:36 |
| gongysh | welcome. | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | +1 | 05:36 |
| Jimmy_ye | yes | 05:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | Jimmy_ye: YanXing_an: glad to have you from the operator side! | 05:37 |
| gongysh | I want guys to register their absence on meeting wiki. | 05:37 |
| gongysh | #info core members should register their absence on meeting wiki. | 05:37 |
| gongysh | ok , lets move to next topic | 05:38 |
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| gongysh | #topic milestone | 05:38 |
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| gongysh | https://launchpad.net/tacker | 05:38 |
| gongysh | we have set up the milestone according to openstack release plan | 05:39 |
| gongysh | so P1 should be https://launchpad.net/tacker/+milestone/pike-1 | 05:39 |
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| gongysh | 2017-04-10 | 05:39 |
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| gongysh | It seems more than one month away. but time flys. | 05:40 |
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| gongysh | we have got many stuff. | 05:40 |
| gongysh | #topic review stats | 05:41 |
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| gongysh | just as we have said. we should put more efforts to improve our reviews. | 05:41 |
| gongysh | current data is not good. | 05:42 |
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| gongysh | http://stackalytics.com/?module=tacker-group | 05:42 |
| gongysh | we are deep behind. | 05:42 |
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| gongysh | we need put more effort to review. and get the commits merged. | 05:43 |
| gongysh | #topic features | 05:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "features (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:43 | |
| gongysh | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker | 05:43 |
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| gongysh | we have decomposed-monitor-framework, vnf-policy-monitoring-worker, service-assurance-engine, vnffg-ns, tacker-api-framework | 05:44 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: how abt decouple scaling policy? | 05:45 |
| gongysh | these are 5 BPs that are related to our cycle's focus: stable, scalable. | 05:45 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, we need | 05:46 |
| gongysh | the owners of these BP can start to draft the specs as soon as possible. | 05:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | service-assurance-engine is too broad .. we need to scope of something direct and impleentable | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | s/of/it to/ | 05:47 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, +1. a big name. | 05:47 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: could you pls help review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/ | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: will review, glad to see a spec is out | 05:48 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: in case we narrow down the scope | 05:48 |
| gongysh | diga, are you there? | 05:49 |
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| diga | gongysh: hi | 05:49 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: we need to stabilize existing features as well.. particularly ffg and auto-scaling | 05:49 |
| gongysh | for tacker-api-framework, you can start to code to show us how much efforts we will need for new API. | 05:50 |
| diga | gongysh: ttx sent me mail on Pike WSGI thread & he told me to ping him on irc | 05:50 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, yes, that is bugs and tests topic. | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: ack | 05:51 |
| diga | gongysh: yeah, I will start on it | 05:51 |
| gongysh | #topic tests | 05:51 |
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| gongysh | first I want to talk is the unit tests dir. | 05:52 |
| gongysh | on server side, the code is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429198/ | 05:52 |
| gongysh | this will make our unit tests to cover more than just our feature codes. it also covers our framework. | 05:53 |
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| gongysh | and also a step to support python3. | 05:53 |
| gongysh | on client side: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429813/ | 05:53 |
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| gongysh | a functional test bug is reported by me for vnffg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1668838 | 05:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668838 in tacker "add vnffg functional tests" [High,New] | 05:55 |
| gongysh | this is very important. | 05:55 |
| gongysh | who wants to take this bug? | 05:56 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: yes | 05:56 |
| YanXing_an | Jimmy_ye is adding ffg ut | 05:56 |
| YanXing_an | ft | 05:56 |
| Jimmy_ye | also, i had ft | 05:56 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I got several questions abt ping driver: https://answers.launchpad.net/tacker/+question/497384 | 05:56 |
| Jimmy_ye | sorry add | 05:56 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: and related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1668587 | 05:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668587 in tacker "Failing to start multiple monitor policies on one VNF" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Tung Doan (tungdoan) | 05:56 |
| gongysh | Jimmy_ye, do you want to write functional tests for vnfffg? | 05:56 |
| Jimmy_ye | yes | 05:57 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: it should be fixed i this cycle | 05:57 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i would also mark all scaling related bugs to higher priority .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/?field.searchtext=scaling | 05:57 |
| gongysh | ok, Jimmy_ye you can assign it to yourself. thanks | 05:57 |
| Jimmy_ye | ok | 05:57 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, +1 | 05:57 |
| * sridhar_ram is looking at tung_doan to help :) | 05:57 | |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: sure :)) | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: thanks .. of course, KanagarajM could help here as well | 05:58 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, thanks for you take the bug 1668587 | 05:58 |
| openstack | bug 1668587 in tacker "Failing to start multiple monitor policies on one VNF" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1668587 - Assigned to Tung Doan (tungdoan) | 05:58 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, gongysh for scaling , shall we involve HT team as well | 06:00 |
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| KanagarajM | this would help to make the changes on both tacker and ht at same time | 06:00 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: yes, we should .. particularly for custom VDU target | 06:00 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, yes | 06:00 |
| KanagarajM | yes | 06:01 |
| gongysh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bugs?field.tag=multi-services | 06:01 |
| gongysh | I have two bugs there | 06:01 |
| KanagarajM | tbh, could you help here ? | 06:01 |
| KanagarajM | tbh, for scaling related changes in ht, | 06:02 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: KanagarajM gongysh : abt monitoring node in HT & TP, need your review too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429371/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431920/ | 06:02 |
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| gongysh | seems tung_doan has too much blocked. | 06:03 |
| tbh1 | KanagarajM, am particularly not looking in scaling part in HT these days, but AFAIK spzala had a patch on this | 06:03 |
| KanagarajM | tung_doan, sure. i will look in to them | 06:03 |
| KanagarajM | tbh1, ok | 06:03 |
| tung_doan | tung_doan: pls help with monitoring node in HT & TP.. thanks :) | 06:03 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, you can put me into your patch's reviewers list. | 06:03 |
| KanagarajM | gongysh, i will check with spzala | 06:04 |
| gongysh | 1667641 | 06:04 |
| gongysh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1667641 | 06:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667641 in tacker "Use db unique index to control duplicate name for NFV resources" [High,New] - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam) | 06:04 |
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| gongysh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1667652 | 06:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667652 in tacker "Remove VIM credential storage problem on local file system" [Medium,New] | 06:04 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: sure. tbh: pls help review abt Ht & TP too, thanks :) | 06:05 |
| tbh1 | tung_doan, sure I will do that | 06:05 |
| gongysh | these are two bugs to impact the multi tacker server instances running. | 06:05 |
| gongysh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1667652 is not urgent since we can use shared file system to do it. | 06:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667652 in tacker "Remove VIM credential storage problem on local file system" [Medium,New] | 06:06 |
| gongysh | that is the bugs I want to talk from my side. | 06:07 |
| gongysh | do you guys have other bugs to talk? | 06:07 |
| YanXing_an | I will try to research & fix the bug 1667652 | 06:07 |
| openstack | bug 1667652 in tacker "Remove VIM credential storage problem on local file system" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1667652 - Assigned to Yan Xing'an (yanxingan) | 06:07 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, nice. | 06:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: YanXing_an: little back story on fernet keys - it was picked after reseaching with keystone team | 06:08 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: DB was not considered a secure place to store VIM credentials | 06:09 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: anyways, do research on alternatives.. i'm super curious on the options | 06:10 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, thanks for the background. | 06:10 |
| YanXing_an | sridhar_ram: ok, I will discuss it with gongys after i have any ideas | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: sure | 06:11 |
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| gongysh | #topic open-discussion | 06:12 |
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| * gongysh is driving the meeting crazily. | 06:12 | |
| * sridhar_ram thinks the meeting is progressing quite well .... so far ;-) | 06:13 | |
| gongysh | dharmendra is not here | 06:14 |
| gongysh | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-pike-grooming | 06:14 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: just one more question :) do we have consensus on Tacker decomposition.. That could help other Tacker contributor look into that. | 06:14 |
| gongysh | he has promised 5 days a week. | 06:14 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I got the comments on zookeeper specs | 06:15 |
| gongysh | currently as I know dragonflow is using it | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: zk is a wonderful component .. it pulling JVM dep is the bad bad thing | 06:16 |
| * sridhar_ram needs to lookup dragonflow | 06:16 | |
| gongysh | tung_doan, yes. the decomposition is a very base. | 06:17 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram has talk about his concern on JVM dep. | 06:17 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, but the ODL, Onus, OpenO are all using JVM. | 06:17 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: nothing personal against Java / JVM ... but that becoming a dependency for tacker whcih is primarily python is going to create headaches | 06:18 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I will also read some thing about Consul. | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: yes, Consul is a new age gossip protocol based component... | 06:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | another thing that comes to my mind is celert | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | .. celery | 06:20 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I will think about pluggable coordination middleware.. | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | http://www.celeryproject.org/ | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | keep the deployment complexity in mind as you are looking into this | 06:22 |
| gongysh | a new one. how about making the coordination middleware pluggable and make work forward. | 06:22 |
| gongysh | ? | 06:22 |
| sridhar_ram | hmm.. that would complicate the project even further.. | 06:22 |
| sridhar_ram | let's get opinionated for a change .. | 06:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | overall, you approach of looking for a "task scheduler" is a wonderful idea... | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | let's look for something that is available in the python world. | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | even if that means slightly less featured | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: python + consul --> https://github.com/billyshambrook/taskman | 06:25 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, ok, good to know it. but It seems we have to rewrite the taskman, it is a one man project. | 06:26 |
| gongysh | s/man/person | 06:26 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i was quoting it as an approach .. | 06:26 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, yes, I will think about consul way. | 06:27 |
| gongysh | do other guys have things to talk about? | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: sounds good.. | 06:28 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an? | 06:28 |
| sridhar_ram | nothing else from me | 06:28 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, can you bring the team some use cases? | 06:28 |
| * gongysh is watching clock: 1 min to end | 06:29 | |
| YanXing_an | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1664805 | 06:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1664805 in tacker "RFE: VIP support with allowed_address_pairs" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to futangw (futangw) | 06:29 |
| YanXing_an | We have a requirement that hit this bug | 06:29 |
| gongysh | time up | 06:30 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, how to end meeting? | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | using "#endmeeting" | 06:30 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 06:30:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-01-05.32.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-01-05.32.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-03-01-05.32.log.html | 06:30 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, magic word. | 06:31 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: :) | 06:31 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 09:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Greetings | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_March_1st_2017 | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | #link but really it's about planning input for the forum https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-scientific-wg | 09:02 |
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| priteau | Good morning oneswig | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | Hi priteau, good morning | 09:04 |
| oneswig | How did your chameleon review go? | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | It is a quiet start today... | 09:05 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Good morning folks... sorry, it seems Freenode doesn't want to play with Colloquy this morning | 09:05 |
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| b1airo | g'day | 09:05 |
| oneswig | Hi StefanPaetowJisc b1airo | 09:05 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:05 |
| priteau | It's been delayed… it's two weeks from now | 09:05 |
| b1airo | sorry, that time of night here - have only just walked in the door. grabbing some grub... | 09:05 |
| oneswig | No worries b1airo! We were just going to look over the etherpad, which I saw you'd pre-seeded anyway | 09:06 |
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| oneswig | The idea of today is to compile a wish list specific to research computing use cases, and at some point I believe that will get folded in with other strands of input from other groups. | 09:07 |
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| oneswig | The thread from January on the operators mailing list "What would you like in Pike?" is a great start | 09:08 |
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| b1airo | maybe spot / preemptable instances too | 09:09 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I added something on that just before the meeting, it's up there | 09:09 |
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| b1airo | that link is: | 09:09 |
| b1airo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-scientific-wg | 09:09 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: are you having much luck with Assent? | 09:09 |
| b1airo | don't forget to name yourself on the etherpad | 09:10 |
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| oneswig | priteau: What thoughts on Blazar? | 09:11 |
| priteau | oneswig: By the Boston summit we will have pushed out a first release (mostly bug / doc fixing), I would like to gather requirements from the community, in particular regarding interaction with pre-emptible instances | 09:13 |
| verdurin | Morning. | 09:13 |
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| oneswig | Hi verdurin - did you see the etherpad we are on? | 09:13 |
| verdurin | oneswig: looking. Can't stay long, this is my normal commute time. | 09:14 |
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| oneswig | verdurin: lets make the most of it then :-) what are the pain points at the Crick? | 09:15 |
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| priteau | oneswig: I am adding a section, just underneath pre-emptible | 09:16 |
| oneswig | Saw that priteau, looks good | 09:17 |
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| oneswig | I'm interested in the interest in using Cinder block devices as a medium for sharing datasets. Doesn't the nature of the device format get in the way of the data? Or is it better that it's something that people understand, analogous to inserting the data on a CD-ROM | 09:22 |
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| oneswig | Either way I think it merits a bullet point all of its own | 09:23 |
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| b1airo | for those interested, we found a workaround for the large memory guest hugepage allocation | 09:24 |
| b1airo | rather than using static hugepages we turned on THP and hard-reset the guests | 09:24 |
| oneswig | I faintly recall there were issues with THP and PCI passthrough you've previously described - is that still an issue or do I have it wron? | 09:25 |
| priteau | oneswig: You need to know how to mount the data in the file system (is it a block device with a MBR and one partition, or no MBR? what is the file system?), but not necessarily more complex than setting up your instances to talk with an object store (what is the path to the data? do I need credentials on my instance?) | 09:27 |
| priteau | and users in the same community could settle on a set of conventions to share data this way | 09:28 |
| verdurin | oneswig: yes, agree with priteau - it's a little more admin overhead but not excessive | 09:28 |
| oneswig | Makes sense, simple but effective. I hadn't thought of it like that. | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | On an unrelated matter, we've been making some progress with evaluating OVS offload on Mellanox NICs. It's working on our dev system (but not in OpenStack yet). | 09:34 |
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| oneswig | It's not (yet) a silver bullet for VXLAN performance but it would enable us to put security groups onto our SR-IOV instances. | 09:34 |
| verdurin | oneswig: interesting. Do keep us informed. | 09:35 |
| mgoddard | and potentially claw back some host CPU cycles | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | Hi mgoddard :-) | 09:36 |
| mgoddard | hi oneswig | 09:36 |
| mgoddard | (and everyone else) | 09:36 |
| verdurin | oneswig: have to go. Will keep an eye on the etherpad. | 09:36 |
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| oneswig | OK verdurin, see you | 09:36 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, my previous understanding was that PCI passthrough necessitated that the guest memory had to be pinned/locked and that that meant THP would not work | 09:37 |
| b1airo | i think i read that on the vfio blogs | 09:37 |
| b1airo | however, that does not seem to hold true in our current environment | 09:37 |
| b1airo | according to AnonHugePages in /proc/meminfo | 09:38 |
| oneswig | Sounds like a great subject for that recap on the hypervisor tuning guide to me! | 09:39 |
| oneswig | I think we might have finished this round? Is the next step to summarise and post to the list? | 09:42 |
| oneswig | Anything to add on federation capabilities? | 09:43 |
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| oneswig | I'm wondering if we should put anything forward on tenant logging and monitoring services | 09:45 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Logging and monitoring is always good | 09:47 |
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| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: agreed - I'm not sure what the current state of play is here (outside of our own bubble) | 09:49 |
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| oneswig | I'll follow up on that | 09:49 |
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| oneswig | OK - any final subjects for the forum for now? We can continue via ML | 09:51 |
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| oneswig | #topic Any other business | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | Anything else to cover this week? | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | I'll be in the pub next Friday - might be interesting to anyone within reach of Cambridge: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cambridge-hpc-pub-night-tickets-31441856439 | 09:53 |
| b1airo | etherpad is looking great | 09:53 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | oneswig: I'll be in Milan... you coming? | 09:53 |
| oneswig | b1airo: It's got plenty on it. I think input from a few more people and a little refining and it'll be done. | 09:54 |
| oneswig | Yes I'll be in Milan - see you there! | 09:54 |
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| oneswig | priteau: are you going? | 09:55 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Where are you staying? I'm at the Garden Inn. | 09:55 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: can't remember. One of the two suggested hotels. | 09:55 |
| priteau | oneswig: I am afraid not, will likely be busy preparing for the review | 09:55 |
| oneswig | Ah, too bad. | 09:56 |
| oneswig | Anything more? | 09:56 |
| oneswig | priteau: how's Chameleon doing? | 09:57 |
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| priteau | oneswig: lots of planning at the moment to prepare for the call for phase 2 of the project | 09:58 |
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| b1airo | sounds interesting! | 09:58 |
| oneswig | Anything new and exciting coming in phase 2? | 09:59 |
| priteau | oneswig: Lots of it but I can't say anything about it at this point :-) | 09:59 |
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| oneswig | I can't wait! :-) | 10:00 |
| oneswig | OK we'd better stop - time's up | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks all, been helpful I think | 10:00 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Alrighty! | 10:00 |
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| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 10:00:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-01-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Until next time | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-01-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-01-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
| b1airo | cheers gang! | 10:01 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | See ya! | 10:01 |
| b1airo | good evening/morning! | 10:01 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | :-) | 10:01 |
| priteau | oneswig: not sure if you've seen, we've released bare-metal ARM nodes | 10:01 |
| oneswig | Same to you b1airo, bon appetit | 10:01 |
| oneswig | priteau: no, hadn't seen that. But will look. Got a link? | 10:01 |
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| priteau | When I get some time to write up the details on how we've set them up I will share | 10:02 |
| oneswig | priteau: please do, I am interested | 10:02 |
| priteau | oneswig: sorry I don't have a link, the announcement was only sent to registered users | 10:03 |
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| oneswig | ah ok, no problem | 10:04 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
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| zhiyuan | hi | 13:01 |
| Yipei | hi | 13:01 |
| dongfeng1 | hello | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 13:01:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| RongHui11 | #info ronghui | 13:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| xiulin | info xiulin | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #topic pike release schedule | 13:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "pike release schedule (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:02 | |
| joehuang | hello, pike release schedule has been published | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #info pike release schedule: https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 13:03 |
| joehuang | for milestone pike-1 | 13:03 |
| joehuang | we have defined our own milestone on Mar.23 | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | #info tricircle milestone pike-1 on Mar.23 | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | for pike-2 and pike-3, we will follow community's plan | 13:04 |
| joehuang | that is | 13:05 |
| joehuang | #pike-2 jun.9 | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | #info pike-2 Jun.9, pike-3 Jul. 28 | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | any question? | 13:06 |
| RongHui11 | no | 13:07 |
| dongfeng | no | 13:07 |
| zhiyuan | no | 13:07 |
| Yipei | no | 13:07 |
| xiulin | no | 13:07 |
| joehuang | good | 13:07 |
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| tricircle | hello | 13:11 |
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| RongHui11 | you are offline | 13:12 |
| joehuang | #topic Launch pad blueprint registration and spec | 13:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Launch pad blueprint registration and spec (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:12 | |
| joehuang | yes | 13:12 |
| joehuang | there are several specs in review | 13:12 |
| joehuang | need to register blueprint too | 13:12 |
| joehuang | and link the spec to the blueprint | 13:13 |
| joehuang | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tricircle | 13:14 |
| joehuang | any question on blueprint | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan | oh, I will register a BP for cross neutron VxLAN network tomorrow | 13:15 |
| dongfeng | will the async job management API need a BP? | 13:16 |
| joehuang | #action register a BP for cross neutron VxLAN network | 13:16 |
| joehuang | to dongfeng, yes | 13:16 |
| dongfeng | ok, will do that. | 13:16 |
| joehuang | #action blueprint for async job management API | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | to ronghui, QoS need a bp too | 13:18 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 13:18 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, and same for LBaaS | 13:18 |
| Yipei | ok, i will register a BP for LBaaS, too. | 13:19 |
| joehuang | #actopn blueprint for QoS | 13:19 |
| joehuang | #action blueprint for LBaaS | 13:19 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:19 |
| joehuang | next topic | 13:19 |
| joehuang | #topic Pike features development | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | do you have any topic or challenge to be disucssed for feature development | 13:20 |
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| Yipei | for LBaaS, already enable allowed pair address in central neutron, and success in creating lb, listener, pool, as well as members | 13:21 |
| Yipei | via central neutron | 13:21 |
| joehuang | o, this is a great progress | 13:21 |
| Yipei | however | 13:22 |
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| Yipei | i find that the vms reside in one subnet cannot communicate with each other | 13:22 |
| joehuang | this is caused by security group | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan | are they in the same host or different hosts? | 13:23 |
| Yipei | in the same host | 13:23 |
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| Yipei | i try to login the vm through ssh under its network namespace, it fails | 13:24 |
| joehuang | when I run LBaaS in lab, you need to create security group rule to allow ssh and icmp for ping | 13:24 |
| Yipei | but vnc works | 13:24 |
| Yipei | oh, i see | 13:24 |
| joehuang | openstack security group rule create default --protocol icmp | 13:25 |
| joehuang | openstack security group rule create default --protocol tcp --dst-port 22:22 | 13:25 |
| joehuang | openstack security group rule create default --protocol tcp --dst-port 80:80 | 13:25 |
| joehuang | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/devstack-with-lbaas-v2.html | 13:25 |
| joehuang | you can refer to the guide I just pasted | 13:26 |
| Yipei | ok, got it. i will try | 13:26 |
| Yipei | so if it works | 13:26 |
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| Yipei | i think the LBaaS among vms in the same region can work | 13:26 |
| joehuang | there are several default seg, you may have to remmove some unused "default" | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | oh, I think we don't support updating defaulg sg currently | 13:26 |
| joehuang | there is one action item for default rule update, may be it's time to do it | 13:27 |
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| Yipei | i want to have a try, since it is related to LBaaS | 13:28 |
| zhiyuan | we need to figure out what rule can be added to default sg | 13:28 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, is the address pair sync-ed to the local Neutron? | 13:29 |
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| Yipei | how to check? in DB? | 13:30 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, but if there is not under LBaaS, VMs is ping-able? | 13:31 |
| Yipei | oh, when installing octavia | 13:31 |
| Yipei | it will create many security rules | 13:31 |
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| Yipei | maybe they are created by octavia | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | query in local neutron | 13:32 |
| zhiyuan | not from external network | 13:32 |
| joehuang | for the port which should have addressed pair | 13:32 |
| zhiyuan | user needs to create a new sg that allow external access then update the VM port | 13:32 |
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| zhiyuan | default sg only allows communication between VMs | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | remote ip prefix is the cidr | 13:34 |
| joehuang | otherwise not allowed | 13:34 |
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| zhiyuan | and we need to tell users that once the original remote-seg-group rule is deleted, they cannot add them back | 13:36 |
| zhiyuan | then there's no differences between default sg update and normal sg update | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | ok. we can discuss this in more detail in #openstack-tricircle | 13:40 |
| joehuang | other topics to be discussed? | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | #info default seg rule update | 13:40 |
| Yipei | i checked. the info of allowed address pair is synced in local neutorn | 13:40 |
| zhiyuan | do we have a plan of what features should be landed in pike-1 ? | 13:41 |
| zhiyuan | follow the schedule we discussed in the meetup? | 13:41 |
| joehuang | yes, we have marked features in meetup | 13:41 |
| zhiyuan | ok, fine | 13:42 |
| joehuang | #info features to be landed in pike-1 is in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tricircle-pike-design-topics | 13:42 |
| RongHui11 | for the new meeting time? | 13:42 |
| joehuang | yes, a poll was sent today | 13:42 |
| RongHui11 | in the maillist there is no info about it | 13:42 |
| joehuang | you can click the doodle poll link | 13:43 |
| dongfeng | http://doodle.com/poll/hz436r6wm99h4eka#table | 13:43 |
| dongfeng | here is the link | 13:43 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 13:44 |
| RongHui11 | thank~ | 13:44 |
| joehuang | #info new weekly meeing poll http://doodle.com/poll/hz436r6wm99h4ekazx455iy5 | 13:44 |
| joehuang | welcome | 13:44 |
| joehuang | other topic? | 13:44 |
| dongfeng | oh, joe, your link is not effective | 13:45 |
| joehuang | sorry | 13:45 |
| joehuang | how to undo | 13:45 |
| joehuang | #info new weekly meeing poll (this one is correct) http://doodle.com/poll/hz436r6wm99h4eka#table | 13:45 |
| zhiyuan | i find a "#undo topic" command | 13:46 |
| joehuang | not topic, undo #info :( | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | ok, if no other topic, let's end the meeting | 13:48 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 13:49 |
| dongfeng | ok | 13:49 |
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| zhiyuan | ok | 13:49 |
| joehuang | thank you attending the meeting | 13:49 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 13:49:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-01-13.01.html | 13:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-01-13.01.txt | 13:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-01-13.01.log.html | 13:49 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:49 |
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| zhiyuan | bye | 13:49 |
| dongfeng | bye | 13:49 |
| Yipei | bye | 13:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 15:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
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| jamemcc | Hi | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | HI | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 (line 251) - Agenda for the meeting | 15:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| denaitre | hi o/ | 15:01 |
| Menthos | hi | 15:01 |
| mabderrahim | Hi o/ | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | As usual Guys, may I ask you to add your name in the pad. line 253 | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | let's wait one more minutes before starting | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic Announcement | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | So from my side, nothing special, | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | I just put a link toward some discussions the Scientific WG had on identity federation challenges. | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | so that's all. These last few days were completely crazy from my side ;) | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | Anything else from your side before diving into the agenda | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | ansmith: jamemcc ? | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | ok looks not…. | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | BTW I did receive the scores for the presentations | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | does anyone know when this should be notified? | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | s/I did/I didn't | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so todays for the agenda we planned to discuss two points: | 15:06 |
| jamemcc | lol - I'm not following adrien - ask it again - are you talking about the Summit seelction process | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: yes | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry I should probably try to be less enthusiast | 15:07 |
| jamemcc | I didnt' think the selection was over - just the initial public voting | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | and leave time for getting answers | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | do you have an idea about the notification of acceptance date? | 15:07 |
| jamemcc | Though I'm not on the selection committee this time. Lets keep going and I'll look as I am interested - it's a common question. | 15:08 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: ack | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | so as mentioned today we planned to discuss two points mainly: ecomp (ATT solution) and QPID related discussions. | 15:08 |
| Menthos | "After track chairs make their decisions, speakers will be informed by mid March 2017" | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | so who wants to start ? | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks Menthos | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | #info speakers will be informed by mid March 2017 | 15:09 |
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| kgiusti | I can present (it should be quick)... | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | ok please go ahead kgiusti | 15:10 |
| kgiusti | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ghwinrArfoCw1qIsNGxWSrd8NTynYomThERGUpN4f0U/edit#slide=id.p | 15:10 |
| kgiusti | sure - the slide deck provides a very high level | 15:10 |
| kgiusti | introduction to the various messging backends | 15:10 |
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| kgiusti | supported by oslo.messaging | 15:11 |
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| kgiusti | We'll talk about zeromq, rabbit/qpid/ and qdrouterd | 15:11 |
| kgiusti | So Page 2 | 15:11 |
| kgiusti | This is the traditional message bus deployment for OS | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:12 |
| kgiusti | Well understood, much tribal knowledge, used by 99.9999999 deployments | 15:12 |
| kgiusti | I think we all understand this - so... slide 3 | 15:12 |
| kgiusti | (the pro/con slides were just added ... certainly incomplete) | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | this is a valuable starting point at least ;) | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | Let's move forward please | 15:13 |
| kgiusti | So the limitations and pros should be obvious - any q's | 15:13 |
| kgiusti | ? | 15:13 |
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| kgiusti | On page 4 - this is the logical topology that can be acheived using zeromq for RPC | 15:14 |
| kgiusti | The broker is still present, but used only for notifications | 15:14 |
| kgiusti | This has two immediately obvious advantages - less load on the broker, and direct (non-queued) RPC | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | I though that zeroMQ was fully P2P based. | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | Why should we go through the router? | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | Yes it is, but doesn't support notificiation traffic | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | Slide 4 - there is no router used in this scenario | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | ok sorry | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | was on slide 6 | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:16 |
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| kgiusti | Just broker for Notifications, Zmq for RPC (dual backend - supported in ocata+) | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | "(dual backend - supported in ocata+)" did someone test it ? | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | Slide 5: The biggest issue is that zeromq has very little adoption | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | yes - ansmith! | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | good job I didn't know that | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | is there any link? | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | He's adding it to Triple O at the moment.... | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | ansmith: ? | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic AMQP bus discussion | 15:17 |
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| ansmith | dual backend in tripleo and across puppet modules | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | So the biggest issue here is that zeromq is largely unproven. | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | I'm not sure if anyone is actually deploying it in production.... may be wrong here. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | #info zeroMQ support will be available in ocata+ versions (ansmith is working on that) | 15:18 |
| ansmith | specifically working on "enabling" dual backends | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | ansmith: I believe it will be qdrouter first.... | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | We'll get to that in a moment | 15:19 |
| ansmith | primary target is hybrid with qdrouterd for rpc and rabbit for notify | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | The zeromq driver is very complex when compared to the other driver codebases since the driver has all the intelligence for message topology control embedded | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | IOW: complexity "at the edge" | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:20 |
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| kgiusti | And it is unknown how much of a issue the large # of TCP connections required will be | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | (think TCP resource limits). | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | So and Q's for 2a? | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | once available it will be rather simple to evaluate that point. | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | #action make a comparison with Enos of RabbitMQ, ZeroMQ and QPid for scenario 1 | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | The driver seems well supported (mostly mirantis folks) | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau: do you know whether kolla provides support for using zmq instead of rabbit? | 15:22 |
| kgiusti | So bugs should be addressed relatively quickly I would think | 15:22 |
| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: let me check | 15:23 |
| kgiusti | on to slide 6... | 15:23 |
| kgiusti | This is a variant of the last slide - just replacing zeromq with qdrouterd | 15:23 |
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| kgiusti | So any "single broker for notification" downsides/upsides also apply here | 15:23 |
| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: No, there is no support in kolla-ansible | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau: ack | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | could you please check what will be mandatory to provide such a feature? | 15:24 |
| kgiusti | However, there is much lower TCP resource usage - one connection to the local router per client. | 15:24 |
| ansmith | ad_rien_, rcherrueau : the effort will be akin to what what we did with puppet and tripleo | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | And the ability to add redunancy | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | path redundancy | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | for failover (availability) | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | ansmith: ack | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: could you please just clarify why/when you have to go through the dispatch router? | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | There is a degree of parallelism in the RPC traffic flows, though less than zmq | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: for RPC traffic only. | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | not sure I correctly understood. | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | each client would also need a connection to the single centralized broker for notifications | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | ok like zmq | 15:27 |
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| kgiusti | Each client connects to it's qdrouterd "onramp" | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm trying to understand the != between the zmq rpc stuff and the qpid one? | 15:27 |
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| kgiusti | Fault recovery via redundant routers, the ability to cross unroutable IP subnets (firewall) | 15:28 |
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| kgiusti | All the routing intellegence and policy is controlled by the routers | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 15:28 |
| kgiusti | the driver is very simple | 15:28 |
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| kgiusti | so page 7 | 15:29 |
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| kgiusti | I think we already touched on that stuff - q's? | 15:29 |
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| kgiusti | Slide 8 | 15:29 |
| kgiusti | This simply puts the broker "behind" the router | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | But this allows broker redundancy | 15:30 |
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| kgiusti | e.g. have a "higher cost link" to the backup broker | 15:30 |
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| kgiusti | Switch on failover, but some message loss of course.... unless clustering/HA is used by the broker | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_ | msimonin is absent today unfortunately (and is the AMQP expert one :( ) | 15:31 |
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| kgiusti | but this is moving towards more of a "messaging as a service" model where the message bus is simply a black box | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | :( | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_ | so we have a couple of questions but maybe they are naive | 15:32 |
| kgiusti | For example there is an Openshift based project (enmass) which we hope to integrate Oslo.messaging with.... futrue stuff | 15:32 |
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| ad_rien_ | if you are considering a large number of site, let's say 1000 , each composed of 50 servers | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | if you have router/broker functions on Site 0, would it scale? | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | in the zeromq (please don't get me wrong I do not say zmq is the solution to select) | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | only the notification would be sent to Site0 is it correct? | 15:34 |
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| kgiusti | Be aware I don't have actual working experience with such a deployment - so take this as an educated guess :( | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:34 |
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| kgiusti | Yes w/zmq only notifications goto site 0 | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:35 |
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| kgiusti | The biggest issue is how stable zmq will be given the number of TCP connections necessary to interconnect all servers | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | that need to communicate via RPC | 15:35 |
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| ad_rien_ | can be an issue indeed. | 15:36 |
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| kgiusti | In the same case, but with qdrouterd the issue will be how long will the topology take to stablize | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | can the router block be a distributed one? | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | (HA/scalability considerations?) | 15:37 |
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| kgiusti | you can deploy as many routers as you deem necessary, but each hop across a router adds some latency (depends on the load on the router) and | 15:38 |
| kgiusti | more routers == longer time to recover the topology should a failure occur | 15:38 |
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| kgiusti | so each site could have multiple routers if there is a benefit | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:39 |
| kgiusti | any other Q's? | 15:39 |
| kgiusti | Feel free to followup later if you want - my email and nick are in the notes | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:40 |
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| ad_rien_ | if we consider the scenario 1 | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e. the one we selected | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | where we have all control services in Site 0 and only compute nodes on remote sites) | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | if we correctly understood, compute nodes will not communicate each other, right? | 15:41 |
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| kgiusti | I believe that is correct - it would be a centralized hub and spoke topology | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | so the use of zmq or qpid is valid only for scenarios 2/3+ where we will have several services geographically spread | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | So it is 45. | 15:42 |
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| ad_rien_ | May I propose to prepare some questions for the next meeting. Can all please agree on that point ? | 15:42 |
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| kgiusti | well, you _could_ try zeromq for hub and spoke if the load on the broker becomes critical | 15:42 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ghwinrArfoCw1qIsNGxWSrd8NTynYomThERGUpN4f0U/edit#slide=id.g1b037c92e2_0_269 AMQP discussion | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | #action all - please see the amqp slides and prepare questions for the next meeting. | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: do you want to add something else? ansmith? | 15:43 |
| ansmith | specifically, update to kolla-ansible would be to use oslo.messaging transport url inplace of deprecated rabbit host, port, auth as configuration options | 15:44 |
| ansmith | on the list to do | 15:44 |
| ansmith | this will enable separating the messaging backends | 15:44 |
| rcherrueau | ansmith: you are right | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | may I ask to move to the following point in the agenda? | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | (we can come back later if we have time) | 15:46 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ecomp | 15:47 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc? | 15:47 |
| jamemcc | Thanks - I'm here still. I first want to status that I didn't get a commitment from one of the more estblished eComp architects at AT&T to join us. | 15:47 |
| jamemcc | Just a quick check though: Anyone else joined to talk about eComp? | 15:47 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: if you want we can postpone the discussion next time? | 15:48 |
| jamemcc | I have better leads on who might be appropriate - but perhaps we could instead check to see if anyone read the materials sent out and then talk about where the investigation/collaboration might go. | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | guys ? | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | What do you prefer? To talk now or to discuss next time? | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | (from my side, I would rather prefer the second option as I did not have time to give a deeper look in the different materials) | 15:50 |
| jamemcc | Yeah - next time - though if there are general quesions - like what level of functionality or whats the strategy for the project - I think I could answer that. | 15:50 |
| ansmith | +1 | 15:50 |
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| rcherrueau | Btw, the slot ends in 10 min, so next time is maybe more appropriate ... | 15:50 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action all - give a look to the content sent by jamemcc and prepare questions for next meeting. | 15:51 |
| jamemcc | Answering to the ML ahead of time will be helpful as well: | 15:51 |
| jamemcc | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-February/001722.html | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-February/001722.html ML message regarding ecomp | 15:52 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic scenario deployment. | 15:52 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok right now we are just performing the first experiments with Scenario 0. we expect to gather preliminary results by next meeting | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | nothing more so unless you have question I proposed to move on the next point. | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic AMQP stresser | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | I'm not sure Orange folks are there? | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | I saw mabderrahim but didn't see jfpeltier nor mrohon | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | guys ? | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | are you there? | 15:55 |
| mabderrahim | I am here | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok I proposed to keep that on the agenda | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | next point OpenDiscussion | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | apart what I put in the pad I have nothing more | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | anything you would like to discuss from your side Guys ? | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | three minutes before ending the meeting? | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | ansmith: jamemcc kgiusti anyone else ? | 15:57 |
| kgiusti | I'm good :) | 15:57 |
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| ansmith | good | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | So I propose to conclude the meeting. thanks for being there. | 15:58 |
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| jamemcc | No - but perhaps we can chat a little offline afterwards - cross working group | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 15:58:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-03-01-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-03-01-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-03-01-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 16:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | mdovgal ildikov wxy viks ketonne abishop sivn | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu_ | hi | 16:00 |
| pots | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
| wxy| | hi | 16:00 |
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| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
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| gouthamr | hi | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| Swanson | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | I hope everyone had a good trip back from the PTG. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks everyone who could attend. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | And those who couldn't - hopefully you can next time. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| bswartz1 | .o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | We've updated the etherpad based on priorities discussed last week. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Would be nice if we can make sure to get those new drivers feedback. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I think still waiting for CI for most | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | But right now - waiting for CI for almost everyone. | 16:03 |
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| xyang2 | we are in the process of upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: Great. Yeah, that one caught me off guard. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I know the plan was to get rid of trusty official support for OpenStack in this release. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I just hadn't seen any announcements that devstack was going to cut it. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | One other thing related to the PTG... | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj is working on summarizing all of the notes here: | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderPikePTGSummary Pike PTG Summary | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | We plan to capture the outcome of those in the wiki. | 16:06 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, I was working on updating all the youtube video descriptions with their content and then was going to send an email out to those that couldn't attend the PTG. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | So hopefully there is less of an issue trying to track down etherpads months later to remember what we decided. | 16:06 |
| xyang2 | jungleboyj: can you add a link to it from the general cinder wiki? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Awesome, that would be great! | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: It is: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder#PTG_and_Summit_Meeting_Summaries | 16:07 |
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| xyang2 | smcginnis: cool | 16:07 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, posted etherpads in the descriptions too. That should go out today. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang2: It is already there at the bottom of the page. | 16:07 |
| xyang2 | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I am still working on getting the notes culled from the etherpad. Plan to finish today. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: I wonder if we need a read-only copy of the etherpads for that. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Guess we'll see. | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, I had wondered about that myself. Not sure how to do that though. It is just the one notes etherpad though. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | Other than all that, I guess just getting caught up after last week. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | I wanted to include video links with the summary. Wiki won't let me link to youtube. Still working on that. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Anyone else have any topics that need discussion in the meeting? | 16:09 |
| gouthamr | did we want to vote/decide on our third party CI changes? | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | gouthamr: jgriffith was going to present a proposal, but he's had a vet issue come up this morning. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: You know any way around that problem in the Wiki? | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | I think we can wait until he's able to be here. | 16:10 |
| gouthamr | sure thing smcginnis | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | gouthamr: Thank you for the reminder though. | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | Hopefully everyone is aware of changes to their CI runs. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Devstack dropped support for 14.04, so if you have been using that, time to update. | 16:12 |
| gouthamr | smcginnis: you're welcome.. it's more important now than before, because of these breakages in the past week :) | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Tempest plugins were broken. That fix has gone through, but may not be included in all outstanding patches. | 16:12 |
| hemna | sup | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, off the top of my head no, but I would bet fungi would know if there was a way. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | gouthamr: Definitely. ;) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok. Thank you. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | I think there was one other CI change causes a lot of issues for folks. Please make sure getting those things fixed a priority. | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | Oh, Cinder deadlines have been added to the schedule: | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html Pike Schedule | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Pretty much the same as we have had the last few releases. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Note - I state Wednesday as the deadline for those. I'd like to avoid last minute scrambles on the overall deadline day. | 16:14 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: jungleboyj: our spam filtering may be preventing saving content with links to youtube (sorry for the delay, since you didn't summarize the question it took a few minutes to parse it out of scrollback) | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Do shortened URLs work for that? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Sorry. Yeah, that is what it is complaining about. | 16:15 |
| fungi | the wiki is getting increasingly crippled to remove any features spammers might make use of | 16:15 |
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| fungi | no idea if url shorteners work, worth a try | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Thanks | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Ok, I will try shortening the URL's and will ping you if I need more help. | 16:16 |
| fungi | it may also have to do with the number of links added. how many links were in the page or were you trying to add? | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks fungi :) | 16:16 |
| fungi | i think most of the url filtering in there is focused on preventing spammers from setting up linkfarms to outside content | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Next PTG is planned the week of Sept 10th. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. *fingers crossed* a short google URL won't cause issues. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Location still to be determined, right diablo_rojo? | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, correct. Doing one last site visit | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | Cool | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Should have a decision in two weeks at most | 16:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | We did announce the next Summit though :) | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Also announced, Summit location after Sydney is back to Vancouver. | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | If anyone was on twitter and saw that | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, lol | 16:18 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:18 |
| tbarron | not going to say where it is, eh? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Yay Vancouver! | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: You are welcome. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: It's one a need to know basis, and you don't need to knwo. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | :P | 16:18 |
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| tbarron | smcginnis: :P | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ooops, cat's out of the bag. | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo | tbarron, I like to tease :) | 16:19 |
| fungi | it's more that they haven't _decided_ where the next ptg is. they're still negotiating with venues in multiple cities for that week | 16:19 |
| dulek | It's Vancouver in May again. Last time locals said that we were pretty lucky with weather. I wonder how it will turn out this time. :) | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: It was great last time. I'm looking forward to going again. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | dulek: THink positive. | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, PTG down to two locations, but keeping it kind of quiet until it's more finalized. | 16:20 |
| bswartz | still have boston and sydney to contend with first | 16:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | bswartz, correct :) | 16:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Party at fenway! | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Sydney should be interesting. That's quite a trip for a lot of folks. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Again, think positive. ;-) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Anything else to discuss? Or cut it short today? | 16:22 |
| karthikp__ | smcginnis: hi ..I needed to discuss to the generate matrix driver | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | OK, just in time. :) | 16:23 |
| karthikp__ | :) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #topic Driver support matrix | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | karthikp__: The floor is all yours. | 16:24 |
| karthikp__ | Do we still have volume replica in the matrix | 16:24 |
| karthikp__ | Or we decided to rule that out? | 16:24 |
| karthikp__ | Volume replication | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Volume replication is in. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | At least at the backend level. | 16:25 |
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| geguileo | yeah, I abandoned my patches for replication and active/active because we were going to include it in the matrix | 16:26 |
| karthikp__ | Because I saw gorka patch regarding support replication being abandoned | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | That was just in the driver list. | 16:27 |
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| geguileo | karthikp__: I abandoned it because we dediced that we preferred it in the matrix | 16:27 |
| geguileo | :''-( | 16:27 |
| karthikp__ | geguileo: can use the same approach in my driver matrix code then | 16:27 |
| geguileo | karthikp__: yup | 16:28 |
| Swanson | What makes anyone think they'll be able to get back into the US if they take a trip to Vancouver or Sydney? | 16:28 |
| karthikp__ | Cool ... Also are we reporting generic volumes groups support? | 16:28 |
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| Swanson | (Sorry, no politics.) | 16:29 |
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| xyang2 | karthikp__: we should. there's a default implementation for every driver | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | I am confused. What was abandoned? | 16:29 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: my 2 patches that added more info to driver list | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Well, since there is a default implmentation, should we report it in the matrix? They would all be checked. | 16:30 |
| karthikp__ | smcginnis: exactly thanks! | 16:30 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: We can report which ones have an optimized one? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: True | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | karthikp__: Do you have the link to that patch? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Those interested should review and comment there. | 16:31 |
| * smcginnis needs to take a look again | 16:31 | |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ah, ok. THank you. | 16:31 |
| karthikp__ | Looking for it | 16:32 |
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| karthikp_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371169/ | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371169/ Support matrix patch | 16:34 |
| karthikp_ | jungleboyj: smcginnis ^^ | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | karthikp__: Thanks! | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else? | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | Alright, thanks everyone! | 16:35 |
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| karthikp_ | thanks all! | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 16:35:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-01-16.00.html | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-01-16.00.txt | 16:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-01-16.00.log.html | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thinks. | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks that is. *Sigh* | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | ;) | 16:38 |
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| bh526r_ | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 18:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| bh526r_ | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:00 |
| bh526r_ | Hi Kamil | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | hi | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
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| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:01 |
| bh526r_ | Hi Jin, Georg | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hi all! | 18:01 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Admin Update | 18:01 |
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| bh526r_ | #info None | 18:02 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic PTG Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Sukhdev and Ian participated in Neutron PTG last week | 18:02 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Two RFE's were proposed and discussed | 18:03 |
| alraddarla | #info darla | 18:03 |
| bh526r_ | #info RFE 1: Neutron API enhancement - make network and subnets as optional | 18:03 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1664461 | 18:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1664461 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement - make network and subnets as optional" [Undecided,New] | 18:03 |
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| bh526r_ | #info RFE 2: Neutron API enhancement - add optional attribute to network | 18:04 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1664466 | 18:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1664466 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement - add optional attribute to network" [Undecided,New] | 18:04 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Sukhdev did a great job in presenting Gluon in Neutron's PTG | 18:05 |
| bh526r_ | #info Sukhdev elaborated the Gluon as well as non-Gluon use cases and examples to support the rationale for Neutron API enhancement | 18:05 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Ian and Paul have helped clarify the use case, supported presentation | 18:06 |
| bh526r_ | #info There was good and detailed discussion on the subject. | 18:07 |
| bh526r_ | #info It was agreed that if we can implement the Network Type (the second RFE), it would cover all our Gluon use cases | 18:07 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Thus we can focus on implementing the Network Type. | 18:08 |
| bh526r_ | #info Of course, the devil is the detail. | 18:08 |
| pcarver | sorry, running late. reading the log now. | 18:08 |
| bh526r_ | no problem, Paul. | 18:09 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Some other suggestions include using "network flavor", or different, similar naming. | 18:10 |
| bh526r_ | #info Neutron's PTG Summary is a good source: | 18:10 |
| bh526r_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/113032.html | 18:10 |
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| bh526r_ | #info See the "New Network Types" section | 18:11 |
| bh526r_ | #info In short, we achieved 2 goals in PTG: | 18:11 |
| bh526r_ | #info Goal #1: Cleared the air that Gluon is not another networking project – but, will be part of Neutron with some extensions and enhancements | 18:12 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Goal #2: Converged most of neutron cores to our Gluon approach and explained as to why they should support it – as this is really filling a gap in neutron’s offerings | 18:12 |
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| bh526r_ | #info The next step is to deliver the details of implementation of Netwotk Type proposal. | 18:13 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We had a good start to move forward a big step, but still a long way to go. | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #info Big credit to Sukhdev for initiating and driving it | 18:14 |
| bh526r_ | #info Also big thank you to Ian and Paul for helping and supporting in PTG | 18:14 |
| bh526r_ | Any question? | 18:14 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic Status Update of Gluon Ocata Release | 18:15 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We had our Gluon 1.0.0 (Ocata release) last week | 18:16 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Many thanks to Doug (RM) for helping us create stable/ocata branch, and other infrastructure patches | 18:16 |
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| bh526r_ | #info And many thanks to infrastructure team (Andreas and Yolanda) too for the help along the way of our development, and infrastructure support | 18:18 |
| bh526r_ | #info More importantly, big thank you to all of our team members who have spent lots of time and effort in developing, testing, and deploying the PoC | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | #info Without team effort, nothing could have happened. | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | #info Thank you all | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Outstanding Patches | 18:21 |
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| bh526r_ | #info There are 3 bug fix patches: | 18:21 |
| bh526r_ | #Info Patch 1: Remove unused logging import | 18:22 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434726/ | 18:22 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Patch 2: Fix the module-name typos | 18:22 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437253/ | 18:22 |
| bh526r_ | #info Patch 3: Bug fix: Update the descripton of Base URL Access | 18:23 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438709/ | 18:23 |
| bh526r_ | #info All those 3 patches have been reviewed, and +1'ed | 18:23 |
| bh526r_ | Any objection to approve and merge those 3 bug fix patches? | 18:24 |
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| georgk | i am good, +1 them | 18:24 |
| bh526r_ | #info Team agreed to approve and merge those 3 patches | 18:24 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you Georg. | 18:25 |
| bh526r_ | #info Those 3 patches will be cherrypicked to stable/ocata too | 18:25 |
| bh526r_ | #info Both will be tagged as 1.0.1 | 18:25 |
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| bh526r_ | #info There is 2 more patches that need more work | 18:27 |
| bh526r_ | #info Patch 4: Test case for gluon/api/root.py | 18:28 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429140/ | 18:28 |
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| jinli | I am working on that one now bin | 18:28 |
| jinli | test_root.py | 18:29 |
| bh526r_ | #info This has verified -1, and also some update needed to work with | 18:29 |
| bh526r_ | #info Jin will continue to work on it | 18:30 |
| bh526r_ | #info Patch 5: Remove elements from core plugin that are simply passthrough | 18:30 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430446/ | 18:30 |
| bh526r_ | #info This seems an improvement, and needs more discussion based on review. | 18:31 |
| bh526r_ | #info In Summary, 3 bug fixes will be merged and cherrypicked to stable/ocata | 18:31 |
| bh526r_ | #info other 2 patches need more work | 18:31 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Planning for Pike | 18:32 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Pike | 18:32 |
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| bh526r_ | #info I created the above wiki page, and drafted initial tasks/work items for Pike | 18:33 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Please review the task list, and give any comments for discussion, and assign yourself to any of the items :) | 18:35 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Many of the items are contunuation of some tasks, and Network Type related task may need more details | 18:36 |
| bh526r_ | That's all I have today | 18:36 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic AOB | 18:36 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We also need to think about what we need to present/session in OpenStack Summit (Forum) in Boston | 18:37 |
| bh526r_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113115.html | 18:38 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Above are some information about planning process | 18:38 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Let's think about it, and discuss more details in the next a few weeks | 18:39 |
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| bh526r_ | Any other item to discuss? | 18:39 |
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| bh526r_ | if nothing else to discuss, let's adjourn the meeting and give you back 20 minutes | 18:40 |
| bh526r_ | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:40 |
| bh526r_ | #endmeeting | 18:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 18:40:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-01-18.00.html | 18:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-01-18.00.txt | 18:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-01-18.00.log.html | 18:40 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you all and bye | 18:40 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 18:41 |
| georgk | bye | 18:41 |
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| SotK | anyone around for the storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 19:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 19:00 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| SotK | I don't think we have anything to announce | 19:01 |
| SotK | #topic Urgent Items | 19:01 |
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| SotK | similarly, nothing urgent | 19:01 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:01 |
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| SotK | ok, we have things here | 19:01 |
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| SotK | I fixed the bug dmsimard found I believe | 19:01 |
| * SotK looks at gerrit | 19:02 | |
| fungi | what was broken? | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (my review backlog stretches to the moon, sorry) | 19:02 |
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| fungi | i don't want to compare review queues with anyone else. it would just depress me | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:03 |
| SotK | the search page was clearing the query if you add a plain text filter after other filters | 19:03 |
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| SotK | and still is since the patch isn't merged :D | 19:03 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ shuffles guiltily | 19:03 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | plan is to get to reviews after this meeting | 19:03 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436702/ | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks | 19:04 |
| SotK | more excitingly, I almost feel confident in running the migration script for monasca with minimal changes | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh, nice | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | at the ptg we had a virtual session for that; got as far as realising we needed a different approach for branches | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | YES | 19:04 |
| SotK | (the only change being to fix the branches thing so that tasks have a branch) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | neat--that's awesome progress | 19:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, so just merge the master branch patch and then Monasca is good to go? | 19:05 |
| SotK | other projects may need further changes, but I'm fairly sure that none of the other bugs affect the monasca LP data, having successfully imported it a few times | 19:05 |
| fungi | i'm sorry i didn't get more time for storyboardness at the ptg | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that's because the user issue happens not to affect monasca, right? | 19:05 |
| SotK | zara_the_lemur__: yeah, at least not in my tests so far | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, no worries, you had tons to do | 19:05 |
| SotK | I still want to test against the real data though :) | 19:06 |
| * fungi is reminded he needs to finish writing his infra ptg summary | 19:06 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | here is the story for it, might be worth noting it here: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000876 | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Can test against refstack too if you want another test subject | 19:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | since they are the other ones ready to go as soon as we are | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh also I wrote some notes about sb in the infra ptg summary but I was very rushed so if anyone wants to tidy those up, go for it | 19:06 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (summary etherpad, I mean) | 19:06 |
| SotK | oh, there is a migration etherpad too from our virtual thing | 19:07 |
| SotK | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lp-migration-things | 19:07 |
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| SotK | diablo_rojo: that sounds good, I'll also check refstack | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, that's a good place for anything that isn't fixed enough to go into a story, I've been moving things from there as they've become concrete enough to note somewhere more permanent | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, I will make a duplicate of the Monasca story for Refstack | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | acoles, from Swift, also came to ask us some questions at the ptg | 19:08 |
| fungi | thanks zara_the_lemur__! i intend to turn it all into followable prose myself anyway, so no worries | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (so there is currently a blank story in there about Swift, unless I completely imagined making that.) | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha np | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it was a bit 'we did a thing, I guess' | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I spent most of the week dashing between different people and getting absolutely no code written | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though I think that's probably a better use of f2f time in the end... | 19:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, Yeah i had a LOT of conversations but got minimal computer things done | 19:10 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ has a total inability to multitask so pretty much can't read a sentence if she's talking to someone irl | 19:10 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | let alone code | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel you. | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so, what else needs to happen? | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so that story lists creating the monasca project in storyboard | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I believe we do that manually, at the last minute, so that it doesn't start getting used early? | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that makes sense to me | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | so 1) test script on copy of prod db, 2) make monasca project in sb, 3) do it fur eel? | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I wouldn't want it out there till we are about to start the migration. | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | if that openid task isn't an issue here then I'll mark it invalid | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | actually, make 'merge branch patch' item 0 or item 1.5 on that list | 19:13 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | this is where a sensible soul would use the board I made lol | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, once it gets done anyway. I was looking for comments making sure I am on the right track before working on it more | 19:14 |
| SotK | I believe (2) consists of sending a patch to project-config right? | 19:14 |
| fungi | you'll want to also patch openstack-infra/project-config:gerrit/projects.yaml to set the use_storyboard option true for openstack/monasca, likely very soon after you create the project in sb if you don't want it auto-created by that change merging, right | 19:14 |
| * SotK is fine with auto-creation | 19:14 | |
| fungi | in that case, the project will get created automagically in sb when that change merges | 19:15 |
| fungi | if you don't manually create it beforehand | 19:15 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | this is our board fwiw: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/45 | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | lanes list things in the order we need to do them | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Automatically is my favorite :) | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm fuzzy about what exactly we need for branches, and would appreciate some notes on that in the story | 19:17 |
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| * SotK will create some | 19:17 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks (since I know we have patches up but not what problem they solve exactly) | 19:18 |
| fungi | whee! i always take "400: GET /api/v1/users/preferences: Invalid input for field/attribute user_id. Value: 'preferences'. unable to convert to int" as a sign that i don't use storyboard often enough to keep my sessions from expiring | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hahaha | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I take it as a sign that I still haven't been able to fix the thing that has haunted me for my entire time on the project | 19:18 |
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| SotK | maybe we can call it a "feature which encourages user engagement" | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | when I am long dead, that error will survive me | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hahaha | 19:18 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | 'storyboard has an unusual rewards system for tracking your tasks' | 19:19 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | maybe we should replace it with a randomized cat pic with a speech bubble that says 'REFRESH THIS PAGE' in the meantime | 19:20 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ can't decide if that would be better or worse | 19:20 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh! also this week, jeblair sent some boartty patches | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I said I'd take a look at those; it'd be cool if we could get notifications for those in #storyboard | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't know how to arrange that | 19:22 |
| jeblair | SpamapS too | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oops, jeblair and SpamapS | 19:22 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ has found them now | 19:23 | |
| SotK | +1 on notifications for that in #storyboard | 19:23 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/boartty | 19:23 |
| jeblair | zara_the_lemur__, SotK: i will make it so | 19:23 |
| * SotK doesn't know where the relevant config lives though | 19:23 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (well that's all the changes but hey) | 19:23 |
| SotK | jeblair: thanks :) | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | jeblair: wonderful, thank you | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | Indeed, I made a pass at tag editting in story view. | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | and I'm looking at making the assignee edit dialog usable with a search-as-you-type | 19:23 |
| fungi | SotK: for future reference, in the gerritbot subdir of the project-config repo | 19:23 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | \o/ | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/439789 Add boartty notifications to #storyboard | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | argh that was so fast | 19:25 |
| SotK | is there anything else to discuss about in progress work? | 19:26 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:27 |
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| SotK | oh actually, maybe this belongs further up, but after monasca and refstack, how are other projects looking? | 19:28 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | Swift seemed excited about it, and said they didn't have a lot of cross-project dependencies | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Swift would be wonderful cause its a larger project | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | After that I will have to start reaching out to individual projects. | 19:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | But I think if we promote the migration of those three on the ML we will get tons of people requesting to move | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | we just need to prove ourselves. | 19:30 |
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| SotK | sounds good | 19:30 |
| * SotK wonders if a good time to do some intensive stress testing might be soon | 19:30 | |
| diablo_rojo | Wouldnt be a bad idea at all | 19:31 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yesssss | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that is my biggest concern. | 19:31 |
| * diablo_rojo didnt realize oaktree already had stuff in sb | 19:31 | |
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| diablo_rojo | thats pretty cool | 19:31 |
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| diablo_rojo | Or maybe not.. | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | I see the project but nothing in it | 19:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | So, realistically, when do we think we can migrate Monasca SotK ? | 19:34 |
| fungi | yeah, oaktree development has mostly been happening in shade for now | 19:34 |
| fungi | per mordred a few days ago | 19:34 |
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| SotK | assuming running a test import against the production data works fine, later this week sometime | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah okay. | 19:35 |
| SotK | otherwise, hopefully next week | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | THAT WOULD BE EPIC | 19:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I can reach out to our liaison friend and give him the news if you think that is appropriate? | 19:36 |
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| SotK | lets run the test first then hopefully the news is more certain :) | 19:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | Sounds good. I will hold off for now. | 19:38 |
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| SotK | anything else to discuss? | 19:42 |
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| SotK | then lets end, thanks for coming folks | 19:45 |
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| * SotK will be around in #storyboard for the next few hours | 19:45 | |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks! | 19:46 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 20:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | hi all, who's here for the mentoring meeting? | 20:00 |
| knangia | o/ | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hi knangia! | 20:01 |
| knangia | hi ekhugen_alt :) | 20:01 |
| knangia | how are you doing ? | 20:01 |
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| Nicole | hi there! | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hi Nicole! | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #topic Boston planning | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so I think we said we wanted to put out a call for mentors for Boston this week | 20:04 |
| Nicole | yes, i think the plan was 3/1 | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so what did we want to ask in the call for mentors? I think we talked about getting a survey set up with the baseball card questions? | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | so we didn't have to try to track that down later? | 20:06 |
| Nicole | yep! | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | did we want to use the same baseball card format as last time? | 20:07 |
| Nicole | i had planned on using the same format, but definitely open to other fun ideas! | 20:08 |
| knangia | whats the baseball card format ? | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | do you have an example posted somewhere like google docs, Nicole? | 20:08 |
| Nicole | how did we do the last call for mentors? i wasn't a part of that the last time around. | 20:08 |
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| Nicole | i'm happy to post a sample of the baseball cards | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think last time we sent it out and asked for people to fill out the general mentors survey https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentor_mentee_signup_pre_barcelona but then we had to do the baseball card questions later | 20:09 |
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| Nicole | ah, looking at the link now | 20:09 |
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| Nicole | just looked at the link. really like the questionnaire. a few questions ... | 20:11 |
| Nicole | what do you think about splitting it up into a questionnaire for mentors, and a questionnaire for mentees? or has this already been explored? | 20:11 |
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| Nicole | if we did split them up, then we could ask the respective questions to each audience. | 20:12 |
| knangia | hey, so I went through the link...and read the questions | 20:12 |
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| knangia | what do we do after filling up the survey, like how do we have baseball card format | 20:13 |
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| Nicole | am thinking we'll use the responses from the mentors to populate the baseball cards, and we'll use the responses from the mentees to prep the mentors & guide the rotations. | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | so the questionnaire was meant for generally collecting info about mentors (maybe for speed mentoring, upstream university, long term mentoring, etc) | 20:14 |
| Nicole | ah, ok, emily! | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | but if that collects all the info you need for baseball cards, we can just point people to that again | 20:15 |
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| Nicole | i need to do a comparison to truly see if it does. how easy is it to edit or create a new one? | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | and knangia I think last time it was really nice of Nicole to make the baseball cards from the mentor's responses | 20:16 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Nicole, I don't think it's so easy to edit it, since we tend to lose new fields in our google spreadsheet that keeps the output | 20:17 |
| Nicole | ah, ok | 20:17 |
| knangia | nice Nicole ! | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | we could just do a new google survey though, if that's better | 20:17 |
| Nicole | am thinking if we can create two new ones, would it make sense to create one for mentors & one for mentees? | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | well for mentees, we just wanted to ask them to provide three questions, right? | 20:18 |
| Nicole | this way, the foundation will also have a place to drive people to who register for the session -- and perhaps we can include it as a link on the event site, on the session page? | 20:18 |
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| Nicole | yes, actually 4, i think ... meaning ... | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | because I think for something smaller like that, we can include it on the RSVP from the foundation | 20:19 |
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| Nicole | 1 - technical or career mentoring interest. and then their top 3 questions/interests. | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | ah, right, yes | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | but those are small enough, I think they could go on the rsvp form, right diablo_rojo? | 20:20 |
| Nicole | yes, if it's better within the rsvp from the foundation, that sounds good! | 20:20 |
| knangia | +1 | 20:21 |
| ekhugen_alt | the baseball cards had a lot more information on them, I'm not sure we want to ask for all of that on the RSVP, right? | 20:21 |
| Nicole | am thinking we ask the mentee questions in the foundation's rsvp, and we create a form (similar to the one you gave the link for) for the mentors | 20:22 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 Nicole | 20:23 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so we want to have the form ready before we do the call for mentors, I think | 20:23 |
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| Nicole | yes, i think so -- it'd be great to put the link to the form in the call for mentors | 20:24 |
| knangia | +1 Nicole | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Nicole, do you think you could look at the baseball card info and come up with a list of questions from that, please? | 20:26 |
| Nicole | yes, absolutely! | 20:26 |
| Nicole | i'm looking at the info now. | 20:26 |
| ekhugen_alt | awesome, thank you! | 20:26 |
| Nicole | sure | 20:27 |
| Nicole | ! | 20:27 |
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| knangia | great guys :D | 20:27 |
| knangia | anything I can help with ? | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | does anyone want to volunteer to take the questions and make them into a google form? | 20:27 |
| knangia | i may do it... | 20:28 |
| knangia | need to take questions from Nicole ? and then make them into a google form | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | that would be awesome knangia | 20:28 |
| knangia | sure ! | 20:28 |
| Nicole | sounds good. i can have them ready fairly quickly. | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay and then I think I have the call for mentors emails from Barcelona | 20:29 |
| Nicole | unless there are any field that anyone wants to add? | 20:29 |
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| knangia | sure Nicole ...let me know whenever you ready...i have to make them in to the survey format (like the link you provided above) ? | 20:29 |
| ekhugen_alt | maybe Nicole and knangia could post the form to openstack-women and ask if anyone has any updates before we send it out? | 20:30 |
| knangia | yes | 20:30 |
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| Nicole | sounds good | 20:30 |
| knangia | also, i want to volunteer for mentor.. | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh that would be great, thanks knangia | 20:31 |
| knangia | so, how do i do that...just fill up the form or anything more? | 20:31 |
| knangia | you're welcome ekhugen_alt :) | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, just fill in the form you're creating, please :-) | 20:31 |
| knangia | yes, will do that :D thanks ekhugen_alt ! | 20:32 |
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| Nicole | emily, what timeframe are we targeting for the prep call with mentors? | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen_alt | usually the prep call is a few weeks before summit, so maybe April 19th ish? | 20:33 |
| Nicole | sounds good. i'll put the target week in the plan i'm drafting. | 20:33 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, cool, so when you have the slides put together, we'll go over them in a meeting? | 20:34 |
| Nicole | yep. i've started on them, but haven't finished yet. | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, thank you Nicole! | 20:35 |
| Nicole | sure! | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | any other topics to discuss for Boston? | 20:35 |
| Nicole | i have lunch with heidi joy tomorrow & will be talking to her about the idea of the mentor/mentee stories. | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh great, thank you! | 20:36 |
| Nicole | absolutely! | 20:36 |
| knangia | sounds good...let me know if i can include in some discussions | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, I think the plan is to send a short survey out to those that register, but I can see if we can put it on the rsvp | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, sorry I am doing like five things at once :) | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | ah okay, that makes sense diablo_rojo | 20:37 |
| knangia | and ping me whenever you're ready with the questions, will be making the google form Nicole | 20:37 |
| Nicole | sounds great! thanks! | 20:38 |
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| Nicole | emily, one other question ... | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | sure Nicole | 20:38 |
| Nicole | how have we typically gotten the word out about the call for mentors? | 20:38 |
| Nicole | am wondering if i should tweet about it? | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we've sent it out through listservs and then the foundation has also tweeted about it | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | yep, we definitely should tweet :-) | 20:39 |
| Nicole | ok, cool | 20:39 |
| knangia | tweet is a good option! | 20:39 |
| Nicole | should we also send word through the women of openstack? | 20:40 |
| Nicole | i mean, the mailing list? | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | that's probably one of the listservs we'll send it out on | 20:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | Nicole, yeah that would be good :) Maybe the dev ML too | 20:40 |
| Nicole | ok, great | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | usually I think the general openstack one, openstack-dev and the women of openstack are the three | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | diablo_rojo beats me to the punch | 20:41 |
| knangia | +1 | 20:41 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt,solid list | 20:41 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I'm out of office the next few days, so I probably won't get to send them out until later Monday, but Nicole and knangia I figured it would probably take until then to get the survey ready? | 20:42 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, and if you need I can reach out to the Upstream Uni mentors and see if any of them are interested. I'm hesitant to poke at them until after we have contacted people other ways just cause we are already bombarding them with things for Upstream Training for Boston. | 20:42 |
| knangia | i guess yes | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, I can get the survey done today if you know exactly what you want on it. Is there a doc you can share with me? | 20:43 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think that's fine diablo_rojo, we usually get a good number of mentors from the callouts on the mailing lists | 20:43 |
| ekhugen_alt | diablo_rojo I think Nicole was going to come up with the list of questions | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, wider variety too if you reach out to the other ML's | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Got it | 20:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Nicole, just send it to me whenever you are ready. I can set up the survey and then send it back for a final check. | 20:44 |
| knangia | let me know what I can help with then ! | 20:45 |
| Nicole | yep, sounds good | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks everyone! | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | any other topics around Boston planning? | 20:46 |
| knangia | thank you ! ping me whenever you're ready Nicole , can get the google form ready :) | 20:46 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh I think maybe we better decide on who's going to do the form between diablo_rojo and knangia | 20:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | Google forms can't be accessed by people in China :/ | 20:48 |
| knangia | umm, i'm fine with anything guys | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | The foundation uses formstack usually for these things, but I'm flexible. | 20:48 |
| ekhugen_alt | I didn't want to volunteer the foundation, just because I know it's busy with summit stuff | 20:49 |
| ekhugen_alt | but formstack is probably the better choice | 20:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | I have some bandwith since my focuses are more on the PTGs | 20:49 |
| Nicole | ah, ok | 20:49 |
| diablo_rojo | It doesn't take more than ten min, but I don't wanna steal someone's job from them :) | 20:50 |
| ekhugen_alt | knangia maybe you can help review the form and questions? | 20:50 |
| Nicole | i'll look at the questions via the link that emily provided earlier, and then at the baseball cards, and make sure we have everything captured. | 20:50 |
| knangia | yes sure ekhugen_alt | 20:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Totally I can send the form to whoever for review | 20:50 |
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| Nicole | and i'll also find a way to post a sample of the baseball cards online so that you can all view it | 20:50 |
| knangia | +1 | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | So excited to see them! | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks! | 20:51 |
| Nicole | i can also send through email if that works for folks | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | sure, email or posting in openstack-women I think works | 20:51 |
| knangia | should work | 20:51 |
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| Nicole | cool | 20:51 |
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| ekhugen_alt | one question I want to get to before we run out of time, should we meet every week from now until summit? | 20:52 |
| ekhugen_alt | it seems like we're usually running out of time | 20:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, I'm flexible :) | 20:53 |
| Nicole | sounds good to me | 20:54 |
| ekhugen_alt | we can always end early if we run out of topics, but we haven't even talked about long-term mentoring in awhile | 20:54 |
| knangia | sounds good | 20:54 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, thanks! I'll put the meeting on the calendar every week between now and summit | 20:54 |
| ekhugen_alt | any other topics in our last 5 minutes? | 20:55 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #topic opens | 20:55 |
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| diablo_rojo | Sounds good to me :) | 20:55 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, if no one has any other topics, we'll end a few minutes early | 20:56 |
| ekhugen_alt | thank you everyone! | 20:56 |
| ekhugen_alt | have a good week! | 20:57 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 20:57:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-01-20.00.html | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-01-20.00.log.html | 20:57 |
| knangia | you too ekhugen_alt :) | 20:58 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 21:00:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
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| joeljwright | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| pdardeau_ | hi | 21:00 |
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| ntata | hello | 21:00 |
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| torgomatic | hi | 21:01 |
| sgundur | hi | 21:01 |
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| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:02 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:02 |
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| clayg | where's onovy and rledisez | 21:02 |
| notmyname | they're not normally here, but it's also very late for them | 21:02 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ? | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | i'm half here ;) | 21:03 |
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| clayg | maybe we should do one of those global timezone calendar things agains and sanity check our meeting time | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | clayg: best time globally is 7 or 8am us pacific time. that's never seemed too viable, unfortunately ;-) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | ok, let's get started | 21:04 |
| notmyname | good to see everyone here | 21:04 |
| notmyname | agenda is at... | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | #topic PTG summary | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | I wrote some thoughts about the PTG at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/113062.html | 21:05 |
| notmyname | our notes are collected at (or linked from) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-pike | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | if you've got something more detailed about a particular topic, PLEASE link to it from the ideas page | 21:05 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas | 21:05 |
| notmyname | and project team photos are at https://www.flickr.com/photos/152419717@N06/sets/72157680602754246/ (if you missed it) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ok, I think that's it for general purpose links :-) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | so... what'd you think? how was the PTG? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | clayg: how was the food? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | (I'm kidding. don't talk about the food) | 21:06 |
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| kota_ | lol | 21:07 |
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| mattoliverau | PTG was good. much better then I expected it to be | 21:07 |
| clayg | OS - keeping expectations low | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ouch | 21:07 |
| acoles | notmyname: nice write up | 21:08 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: anything more than that? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | as always we had alot going on, and multiple discussions going at once in the Swift room. | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | But I really enjoyed the hallway track as well. So it was good that other projects were around | 21:08 |
| notmyname | yeah, that was good | 21:08 |
| notmyname | of course the PTG is new, so it's hard to compare with what we've done in the past. and the upcoming summit is the other parts of the big rescheduling changes | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | I"m planning on having more info for everyone about the summit by next week | 21:09 |
| acoles | IMO the 3 swift days were as productive as previous midcycles | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | were we negatively impacted by it being 3 days instead of 4? | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | did we lose anything by not having a sponsored evening group activity? | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | were the first two days effective and useful for the swift community? (ie yes, it's good to work with different projects, but was that productive with regard to making an awesome storage system?) | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | I think the 3 days didn't impact us too bad, as we broke up into small discussions early (from the start). | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | Though I do miss the Ops feedback | 21:11 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: YES! | 21:11 |
| notmyname | was there anything that you'd change for the next PTG? | 21:11 |
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| * notmyname is trying to prompt responses | 21:12 | |
| acoles | once or twice i was aware of two simultaneous discussions that I would like to have been in but that has happened at 4 day events as well | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | get onovy and briancline there ???? | 21:12 |
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| kota_ | if it could be | 21:12 |
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| acoles | did we get many ops to midcycles before? or mainly at summits? | 21:12 |
| kota_ | swapping project specific days and cross-project days might be usefule? | 21:12 |
| kota_ | useful | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | kota_: i was thinking the same thing | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: nope good point | 21:13 |
| kota_ | to cover topics which is discussed not enough | 21:13 |
| acoles | notmyname: re sponsored evening...we had kind people who organised dinner venues for us at PTG :) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | acoles: yeah, briancline has been to at least on midcycle, IIRC (but sometimes the events blend together in memory) | 21:13 |
| kota_ | which are | 21:13 |
| notmyname | kota_: that's a really interesting idea | 21:13 |
| clayg | acoles: IIRC we've historically had more ops feedback at the design summits - but we had ahale one time in san antonio and it was great | 21:13 |
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| clayg | I love ops - they can come hang out anytime | 21:13 |
| kota_ | not sure it works well for cross projects | 21:13 |
| jrichli | sorry im late | 21:14 |
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| acoles | clayg: right | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | kota_: do you mean that the last two days would be for cross project but could be used for project-specific stuff as necessary? | 21:14 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: yes | 21:14 |
| notmyname | any other feedback on the week? other comments or suggestions that we can take to the larger openstack community? | 21:15 |
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| mattoliverau | Just better scheduling, its hard to search through everyones etherpad | 21:16 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: +1 | 21:16 |
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| torgomatic | try not to schedule on top of holidays? | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | And I miss the snacks and coke from developer lounge, but understand that costs money :) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: in which country? but yeah :-) | 21:17 |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: host country, maybe | 21:17 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: my thought with switching the days, is that we would be able to discuss things in project first which may raise questions for cross project later in the week | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | maybe more projector or sceens in rooms | 21:17 |
| torgomatic | also, do we know yet if going to Boston will be useful for those of us who are only focused on development? | 21:17 |
| tdasilva | not sure it makes sense, but the thought occurred to me... | 21:17 |
| torgomatic | (sorry if that's a bit off topic) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: that's what I want to learn myself this week and have info about during next week's meeting | 21:18 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, that makes sense | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | torgomatic: I think the Sydney forum might clash with an Oz holiday. so yeah | 21:18 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: 👍 | 21:18 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: is there a day in AU that is not a holiday ? ;) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: alternatively, the later discussions we had in the week were simpler because you'd *already* figured out devstack/infra stuff at the first of the week :-) | 21:18 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: a few, like next tueday.. that isn't a holiday :P | 21:19 |
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| joeljwright | :D | 21:19 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: yeah, that's what i was trying to figure out...is the same true about barbica for example? | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | hard to say. hard to know what could have happened :-) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up before we move on? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | overall, I thought it was a great week, and that's mostly due to you, the swift community. so thanks for being there | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | (and if you weren't there, you were missed) *cough*joel*cough* | 21:21 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: thanks, I definitely feel like I missed out :( | 21:22 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks for filling out the container sharding trello https://trello.com/b/z6oKKI4Q/container-sharding | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | #topic swift3+auth bug | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | timburke: your topic. what's up? | 21:23 |
| timburke | bug's at https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift3/+bug/1561199 | 21:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561199 in OpenStack Security Advisory "Client-accessible headers are used to send authentication information to other middlewares" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 21:23 |
| notmyname | (note that it's public, despite being a security advisory) | 21:23 |
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| timburke | tl;dr is that from a presigned s3 url, an attacker can get access to everything the signer could access, rather than just the specific object | 21:24 |
| notmyname | thanks :-) | 21:24 |
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| timburke | i mainly wanted to highlight that every auth middleware i've seen that supports swift3 has been affected, so anyone with in-house auth that integrates with swift3 should go audit to see if they're affected and plan on changing to the new env vars | 21:24 |
| notmyname | and more specifically, it's related to the particular auth system that is being used (right?) | 21:24 |
| timburke | i think beyond that, i just need notmyname to click the buttons on the swift patches | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | specifically, the backport patches so that the swift3 changes can be landed | 21:25 |
| notmyname | since, in part, swift3 tests against swift stable and not swift master | 21:25 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yes | 21:25 |
| notmyname | I'm planning on doing that this afternoon | 21:25 |
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| clayg | notmyname: this is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438720 ??? | 21:26 |
| notmyname | timburke: and by "every auth middleware" you mean tempauth (dont' use this anyway), swauth, keystone. any others? | 21:26 |
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| timburke | re: auth system -- yup; it's a breakdown in input validation -- swift3 only does it's validation when the Authorization header starts with 'AWS ', while every auth system i've looked at will try to authenticate with *every* Authorzation header | 21:26 |
| notmyname | clayg: actually the backport is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438722 | 21:27 |
| timburke | swiftstack's auth | 21:27 |
| timburke | i would expect anyone derived from tempauth to be similarly affected | 21:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: is the plan... to land the backport before we land the change on master? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: no | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ok, let me rephrase my own plan: after my meetings are done today, I'll be looking at the patch to master (which timburke might already +A) and the proposed backport to see what needs to happen | 21:28 |
| timburke | so go land 20 and then the backport (22), so i can land swift3's fix | 21:28 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:28 |
| timburke | and if anyone has a better idea for how i can land critical security fixes in swift3 without needing swift backports, i'm all ears | 21:29 |
| notmyname | timburke: general question about this... after landing, what breaks if someone upgrades without rewriting their auth integration? | 21:29 |
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| clayg | notmyname: the plan is for timburke to +A his own patch to swift master? Even though he's currently asking if anyone has a better plan? | 21:30 |
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| timburke | notmyname: s3 api access | 21:30 |
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| timburke | we're making a conscious break to force middleware authors to deal with it | 21:31 |
| kota_ | neither older swift3 + new swift auth nor new swift3 + older swift auth works | 21:31 |
| kota_ | for s3 api | 21:31 |
| timburke | clayg: i think this will have to be the plan for this fix. i'd be interested in ideas for avoiding backports to tempauth for future issues | 21:31 |
| clayg | timburke: kota_: sounds ok to me! | 21:31 |
| clayg | timburke: how do you avoid bacports if you make backwards incompatible changes? | 21:32 |
| notmyname | what's the status of a swauth patch? | 21:32 |
| clayg | do you want current swift3 to work with old swift or not? | 21:32 |
| timburke | clayg: with old swift, yes. with old tempauth, i don't care so much | 21:33 |
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| timburke | notmyname: submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439853/ -- passes gate, but i haven't func tested recently | 21:33 |
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| timburke | (it looks like swauth doesn't have func tests in the gate) | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | tempauth patch: needed for swift3 gate, swauth: should also bump the dependency on swift3, other proprietary auth: same as swauth but we can't patch it | 21:35 |
| timburke | i'll probably submit a backport for keystonemiddleware, too, although the real solution there is to switch to using swift3's version of s3token | 21:35 |
| notmyname | so timburke's point is that if you are running swift3, you need to examine your auth system, especially if it's something internal/proprietary | 21:35 |
| timburke | and that's about all i had for that topic | 21:36 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:36 |
| clayg | timburke: and we can't just file a bug that says swauth doesn't work with swift3 > xyz? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | and clayg's points/questions are good. we'll land master first. in this case, it's a patch to tempauth (which should be relatively low impact), but anyone else can also go review that if you're super concerned about it | 21:37 |
| timburke | clayg: i might as well be a *little* more helpful than that | 21:37 |
| clayg | there's a security bug in swauth that requires a change - so we may as well work with new swift3 while we're at it? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | clayg: IMO yes | 21:38 |
| notmyname | shall we move on to the last topic? | 21:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: yes we *can* just file the bug? Or yes there is a security hole that requires a change anyway? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | clayg: yes there's a sec bug that requires a change anyway | 21:39 |
| clayg | it's not writing the damn change - it's finding enough people to give a ^&*# about swauth+swift3 to get it landed? | 21:39 |
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| timburke | ...in which case swauth is screwed either way? | 21:40 |
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| timburke | i'm not sure i see your point | 21:40 |
| notmyname | can we have that conversation either in -swift or somewhere else? | 21:41 |
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| timburke | sure | 21:41 |
| clayg | sure | 21:41 |
| notmyname | #topic Add X-Backend-Versioning-Mode-Override | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | timburke: this is also something you brought up. what's up here? | 21:41 |
| timburke | so i'm going to talk about swift3 some more :P | 21:41 |
| clayg | lol | 21:42 |
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| timburke | i've been working with an outreachy intern, karenc, who's been working on using the new history mode for versioned writes to implement s3-like versioning for swift3 | 21:42 |
| notmyname | that's cool | 21:42 |
| clayg | timburke: there's a patch up right? | 21:43 |
| timburke | she's submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437196/ because she needed to be able to toggle between modes in some cases, and double POSTing to the container before doing an object delete seems like a Bad Idea | 21:43 |
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| timburke | clayg pointed out that it might be nice as a client-accessible feature, but i had some memory of us moving away from that during the review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437196/ | 21:44 |
| timburke | so i wanted opinions on whether to make this part of the public api or leave it just for middleware authors | 21:44 |
| clayg | timburke: that's the same change? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | shoudl be https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214922/ | 21:45 |
| timburke | bah. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214922/ | 21:45 |
| timburke | yeah | 21:45 |
| timburke | i'd pushed toward the latter (use an X-Backend-* header) just because if we change our mind later, it's easier to open it up than close it | 21:46 |
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| timburke | so, thoughts? tdasilva, maybe? | 21:46 |
| notmyname | Adding X-Backend-Versioning-Mode-Override allows swift3 to override the | 21:46 |
| notmyname | stored versioning mode for one request. This means that even if the | 21:46 |
| notmyname | versioning mode is set to "history", if the request has the header | 21:46 |
| notmyname | "X-Backend-Versioning-Mode-Override: stack", swift will use "stack" as | 21:46 |
| notmyname | the versioning mode. | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | so the question is, do we keep that as a private thing or allow end-users to use that (ie drop the x-backend- part) | 21:47 |
| tdasilva | do we need to decide that now? | 21:47 |
| tdasilva | i can look at it, but don't have an opinion now | 21:47 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: you'd expressed hesitation earlier, and clayg suggesting it should be public. thus "meeting topic" ;-) | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | so, no, AFAIK we don't have to decide it right this minute (correct me timburke) | 21:48 |
| timburke | only time constraint is that karenc's internship ends next week, but it sounds like she'll try to still get outstanding patches landed afterward | 21:49 |
| clayg | timburke: is there a swift3 change that makes use of the header? | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | timburke: please don't let me hold up things, i only meant to say i'd have to load this stuff up in my head again and think it through... | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | but i trust others to make the right decision, so don't wait up for me if you can move things forward | 21:50 |
| timburke | tdasilva: yeah, no worries :-) i'd prefer a thought-through response over a snap judgement | 21:50 |
| clayg | timburke: notmyname: the history on patch 214922 - do you have he specific comment/context where someone said "clients should not be able to set version mode per request because xyz" | 21:50 |
| timburke | clayg: not yet. it'll probably be part of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436571/ but right now i think that just does the double-post thing | 21:51 |
| timburke | on ps3, "The part I'm a little hesitant about is with the query parameter. I don't really see the need for it, why not just make it a configuration option. In this case I think I'd prefer the simplicity of having one or the other, but not both." | 21:52 |
| clayg | timburke: so I don't love the idea of merging a string for some middleware to pull at and supporting that interface without functionally testing all the bits work together the way we want to solve the use-case | 21:52 |
| clayg | timburke: if we make it a proper swift feature we can move orthogonally to the middleware - if it's just there for swift3 - I'd like to know it works for swift3 - I think that's about the whole of it | 21:53 |
| timburke | clayg: even if it works for swift3 now, you wouldn't know when you break it later anyway. that's why swift3 is gating off ocata and not master -- we have a habit of breaking internal interfaces | 21:54 |
| clayg | timburke: wasn't that concern raised before containers *had* a versioning mode? | 21:54 |
| clayg | timburke: that we have containers with a default versioning mode - and you can flop containers back and forth - is it really so insane to think you can flop individual requests off the default mode per request (should probably be a qs) | 21:55 |
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| clayg | timburke: ok, and I think we should do better at that - one part of that strategy is being smart about the interfaces we "support" - and avoiding swift3 digging magic roots into other middlewares that only make sense in the context of swift3? | 21:57 |
| notmyname | I wish we'd been able to discuss this topic (new external or internal api headers) last week | 21:57 |
| clayg | anyway - my vote is the same 1) it could totally be a public client feature if someone wanted that and it would make it easier to maintain 2) if we don't want to do that work lets at least make sure it works for the consumer it's intended for | 21:57 |
| clayg | why didn't we? | 21:58 |
| notmyname | we're running out of time in here in the meeting room | 21:58 |
| timburke | ...not many people care about swift3? | 21:58 |
| notmyname | so what's the conclusion for this topic? timburke anything specific to do next? | 21:58 |
| mattoliverau | I'm not against it becoming a public API, execpt that once it's pulically a part of the API we can't (or don't) remove it. So rather be a thought out decision before we add something. Though in this case I don't realy see the harm. | 21:58 |
| clayg | that's too bad! I'd like to get better at using swift3! | 21:59 |
| timburke | i guess i need to push toward having a swift3 patch that uses the functionality. even though swift3 can't have any functests for it | 21:59 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: " I don't see the harm" <-- dangerous words ;-) | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:59 |
| notmyname | timburke: ack | 21:59 |
| clayg | timburke: we should work on swift3 having a gate against master - and eventually having swift cogate with swift3 as well | 22:00 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, which is why tdasilva's loading into brain and thinking about it is important ;) | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: did you see how mattoliverau just avoided reviewing the patch by saying you would? ;-) | 22:00 |
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| tdasilva | lol | 22:01 |
| notmyname | timburke: I like your thought on getting the swift3 patch in | 22:01 |
| notmyname | ok, we're at time | 22:01 |
| mattoliverau | damn you saw through it :P | 22:01 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: lol | 22:01 |
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| notmyname | thank you, everyone, for coming. thank you for your work on swift | 22:01 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 22:01:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-01-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-01-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-01-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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