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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 03:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-02-14_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| pksingh | hello | 03:00 |
| shubhams | Shubham | 03:00 |
| sudipto | o/ | 03:00 |
| lakerzhou | lakerzhou | 03:00 |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:00 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting pksingh shubhams sudipto lakerzhou Namrata mkrai kevinz | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. Select a mascot representing Zun | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #link https://www.openstack.org/project-mascots/ | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | i was received an email from openstack foundation to ask the zun team to select a logo | 03:01 |
| hongbin | basically, we select a animal or an item, someone will make a logo for zun team | 03:02 |
| mkrai | What is the meaning of zun ? | 03:02 |
| mkrai | I forgot | 03:02 |
| hongbin | zun is a container | 03:02 |
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| mkrai | That is a chinese word, right? | 03:02 |
| sudipto | I guess that means a container? | 03:02 |
| hongbin | it seems to be an old chinese world | 03:03 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zun | 03:03 |
| mkrai | hongbin By when we have to reply? | 03:03 |
| eliqiao | hi | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: i guess one week or two | 03:03 |
| hongbin | hi eliqiao | 03:03 |
| hongbin | ok, any idea? | 03:04 |
| hongbin | or want to discuss it offline? | 03:04 |
| shubhams | hongbin: any specific theme for this that we have to follow? | 03:04 |
| mkrai | Need to think | 03:04 |
| * eliqiao lurk | 03:04 | |
| hongbin | shubhams: i don't think there is any specific theme | 03:04 |
| hongbin | ok, let me send an email for that | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin send a ML to discuss the team mascot | 03:05 |
| hongbin | ok, next one | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:05 | |
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| hongbin | 1. eliqiao_ create a bug for polling issue (DONE) | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/zun/+bug/1662415 | 03:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1662415 in Zun "Improve sandbox creation polling" [Medium,Triaged] | 03:05 |
| hongbin | thanks eliqiao for creating the bug | 03:05 |
| Qiming | maybe a barrel, :) | 03:06 |
| Qiming | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | i guess anyone can assign it to himself/herself if he/she want | 03:06 |
| hongbin | Qiming: hey | 03:06 |
| Qiming | o/ | 03:06 |
| hongbin | interesting | 03:06 |
| kevinz | Cool | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (diga) | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (diga) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:06 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration The BP | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417747/ The design spec | 03:06 |
| hongbin | diga told me he won't be able to come today | 03:07 |
| hongbin | he said he was working on this bp | 03:07 |
| hongbin | he will submit the patches by thursday | 03:07 |
| hongbin | that is all | 03:07 |
| hongbin | any comment ? | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | ok, next one | 03:08 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr integration (hongbin) | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kuryr integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:08 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/kuryr-integration The BP | 03:08 |
| hongbin | the spec is up for review for about one week or two | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425883/ | 03:09 |
| sudipto | hongbin, i reviewed it yesterday. Had a few concerns... | 03:09 |
| hongbin | several people have provided feedback, and hte spec was revisioned a few times | 03:09 |
| hongbin | sudipto: ack, will address your comments later | 03:09 |
| sudipto | hongbin, sure. | 03:09 |
| hongbin | i would ask everyone to review the spec again if you have a chance | 03:10 |
| pksingh | will review it today | 03:10 |
| hongbin | it seems it is close to merge soon | 03:10 |
| mkrai | I will review | 03:10 |
| hongbin | thanks | 03:10 |
| hongbin | ok, next one | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #topic Support interactive mode (kevinz) | 03:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support interactive mode (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:10 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-interactive-mode The BP | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396841/ The design spec | 03:11 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:11 |
| kevinz | Hi hongbin, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417681/ this patch has been merged | 03:11 |
| kevinz | I will add some test cases here and investigate the security problem | 03:12 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ack | 03:12 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i tried the attach command, it works very well | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: i think the next step is to implement a run command that does attach automatically, like docker run -it | 03:13 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Yeah Thanks , I will do it | 03:14 |
| hongbin | kevinz: also, it seems the container will die after a attach and deattach | 03:14 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: it seems there is a way to keep the container alive after a de-attach | 03:14 |
| hongbin | kevinz: those are good to support | 03:15 |
| kevinz | OK I will find out the reason. | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: yes, those are minor tweaks to follow up | 03:15 |
| hongbin | kevinz: however, the work is amazing | 03:15 |
| hongbin | kevinz: thanks for the great work, i knew it is not easy | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: but you make it ! | 03:16 |
| kevinz | hongbin: My pleasure | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | that is all from me | 03:16 |
| kevinz | Thanks for your comments on that patch | 03:16 |
| hongbin | all, any comment for kevinz ? | 03:16 |
| hongbin | np | 03:17 |
| pksingh | really great work !! | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: i guess you can close the bp ? | 03:17 |
| kevinz | Thanks for pksingh, your valuable advice for this bp | 03:17 |
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| pksingh | np | 03:18 |
| kevinz | hongbin:OK I will close it after add zun run | 03:18 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ack | 03:18 |
| hongbin | ok, advance topic | 03:18 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce host capabilities and cpusets | 03:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:19 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427007/ The spec | 03:19 |
| hongbin | sudipto: lakerzhou ^^ | 03:19 |
| lakerzhou | I had minor comments about the NUMA support | 03:19 |
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| sudipto | I seemed to have replied to them. | 03:20 |
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| lakerzhou | I think it should be addressed in another feature. The current design cover one use case. It can be extended later it is necessary. | 03:21 |
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| sudipto | Do you any more concerns for now lakerzhou or can we take the comments during the code reviews? | 03:21 |
| lakerzhou | no I don't have concerns. | 03:21 |
| hongbin | yes, i agree that the current design is well covered for one use case | 03:21 |
| sudipto | You're more than welcome to review the patches :) | 03:22 |
| hongbin | we can always improve it later | 03:22 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: about host capabilities, I think we could support cache allocation later. | 03:22 |
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| lakerzhou | sudipto, I certainly well, thanks for the great work :) | 03:22 |
| sudipto | yeah, thought of that. | 03:22 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: could you elaborate? | 03:22 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: perhaps sudipto can comment on your question | 03:23 |
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| sudipto | hongbin, this is something that eliqiao is driving in nova: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cat-support (i am guessing this is what it is?) | 03:24 |
| eliqiao | sudipto: yes. | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | i see | 03:25 |
| hongbin | it looks like a good to have | 03:25 |
| eliqiao | sudipto: That's for VM support in nova, though libvirt. | 03:25 |
| sudipto | eliqiao, but i think the l3-cache would apply to containers too... | 03:26 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: for container support, we could leverage other software, like intel-cat-cmt .. | 03:26 |
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| sudipto | is it supported by all the servers of intel? | 03:26 |
| eliqiao | sudipto: yes, only on xeon cpu. | 03:26 |
| sudipto | in order to support this, we would have to do quite a bit of plumbing in the zun code, since we don't have libvirt to our helm | 03:27 |
| sudipto | but yeah we could look at this maybe in the second iteration once we have all the pieces in? | 03:27 |
| eliqiao | sudipto: right, I will talk with my colleage for zun support. | 03:27 |
| eliqiao | they are working on an agent which will provide cache monitor/allocation. | 03:28 |
| eliqiao | later we can integrate it to zun. | 03:28 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: ack | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: feel free to create a bp/spec if you want to lead this work | 03:29 |
| eliqiao | I will find my time to review host-capabilities in zun and to see if we can support cat in zun | 03:29 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: okay. thx. | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | ok, any other comment? | 03:30 |
| sudipto | hongbin, should we merge the spec, if everyone is on the same page? | 03:30 |
| hongbin | sudipto: i am ok with that (already gave +2) | 03:31 |
| hongbin | it seems lakerzhou also agreed to merge it | 03:31 |
| pksingh | i agree too | 03:31 |
| hongbin | i think it is ready to go | 03:31 |
| lakerzhou | Hongbin, I agree | 03:32 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:33 |
| hongbin | sudipto: any other comment you want to make? | 03:33 |
| sudipto | hongbin, just would like to thank people who took the time out to review the spec. :) | 03:33 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:33 |
| hongbin | thanks sudipto for this work | 03:34 |
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| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:34 |
| hongbin | #topic Update image API to support multi-compute scenario (Wenzhi) | 03:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update image API to support multi-compute scenario (Wenzhi) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:34 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432857/ | 03:34 |
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| hongbin | it looks wenzhi is not here | 03:35 |
| hongbin | however, he proposed an interesting patch | 03:35 |
| hongbin | i have reviewed his patch, perhaps, i can explain it a bit | 03:35 |
| hongbin | what he proposed is an API to schedule a container | 03:35 |
| hongbin | this api basically write down the host to the container object in db | 03:36 |
| hongbin | then, the image api can select host based on the 'host' field in the container object | 03:36 |
| sudipto | hongbin, i went through the patch, thought i saw jenkins fail on that yesterday. | 03:37 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: it seems he uploaded another patchset, perhaps, it fixed the jenkins | 03:37 |
| sudipto | hongbin, sure. | 03:38 |
| hongbin | i wanted to discuss the idea here, but it seems it is better to leave it offline | 03:38 |
| hongbin | then, everyone has a chance to review it | 03:38 |
| mkrai | Yes I will review it and post my comments on the patch | 03:39 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ack | 03:39 |
| hongbin | ok, then let's enter open discussion | 03:39 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:39 | |
| hongbin | anyone has a topic to bring up? | 03:39 |
| mkrai | Yes I have one | 03:40 |
| hongbin | mkrai: go ahead | 03:40 |
| mkrai | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431442/ | 03:40 |
| mkrai | this is support to add image-search API in zunclient | 03:40 |
| mkrai | But seems the response object for image drivers, glance and docker are completely different | 03:40 |
| mkrai | So we need to think of some common response object for the same | 03:41 |
| hongbin | yes, possibly, we need to define an object for image | 03:41 |
| mkrai | docker search returns 'stars', 'official' etc which glance doesn't have | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: one way to handle that is to define a metadata field | 03:42 |
| mkrai | hongbin: that includes driver specific fields? | 03:42 |
| hongbin | mkrai: possibly | 03:43 |
| hongbin | mkrai: another way to handle that is to simply hide those fields | 03:43 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Do you think just the name and driver would be enough? | 03:43 |
| mkrai | with metadata field | 03:44 |
| hongbin | mkrai: personally, i would like to see more fields that are common for both docker and glance | 03:44 |
| hongbin | i.e. size, location, etc. | 03:44 |
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| mkrai | hongbin: docker search don't show size and all | 03:45 |
| sudipto | location is important IMHO | 03:45 |
| mkrai | only common field is 'name' I guess | 03:45 |
| sudipto | IIUC, that should tell you if it's a public registry or a private one. | 03:45 |
| mkrai | NAME DESCRIPTION STARS OFFICIAL AUTOMATED | 03:46 |
| mkrai | These are the fields for docker | 03:46 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:46 |
| sudipto | but i thought there was debate around that in glance, whether the location should be admin only. | 03:46 |
| hongbin | sudipto: ack | 03:46 |
| hongbin | mkrai: then, i am ok to start with name and driver | 03:47 |
| mkrai | I will try to create a common response object and post it on review link | 03:47 |
| mkrai | You all can post your suggestion on that | 03:47 |
| mkrai | hongbin: ack | 03:48 |
| hongbin | thanks mkrai | 03:48 |
| mkrai | hongbin: sudipto Thanks | 03:48 |
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| Namrata | hongbin:I am working on container resource.the patch is ready I am testing it. | 03:48 |
| mkrai | That's all from my side. | 03:48 |
| Namrata | will upload it today | 03:49 |
| hongbin | Namrata: awesome | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: did the heat team give you enough comment for this feature? | 03:50 |
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| Namrata | i havent joined the team meeting | 03:50 |
| Namrata | i will do this week and ask for reviewing the patches | 03:51 |
| hongbin | Namrata: that is fine, i will help you to ping them | 03:51 |
| Namrata | sure .thanks hongbin | 03:51 |
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| hongbin | thanks Namrata for working on this feature in heat | 03:52 |
| Namrata | hongbin:thanks for sugesting the same | 03:52 |
| hongbin | ok, it seems there is no more topic to bring up | 03:53 |
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| hongbin | then, i will end the meeting a bit earlier, all , thanks for joining the meeting | 03:53 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 03:53:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-02-14-03.00.html | 03:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-02-14-03.00.txt | 03:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-02-14-03.00.log.html | 03:53 |
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| samP | hi o/ | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:01 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:01 |
| sagara | samP: hi | 04:01 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 04:01:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
| samP | hi all.. | 04:01 |
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| abhishekk | \o | 04:01 |
| rkmrHonjo | Hi | 04:01 |
| samP | #topic Bugs | 04:01 |
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| takashi | o/ | 04:01 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo has reported 2 bugs. | 04:02 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: could you please explain them? | 04:02 |
| rkmrHonjo | OK. | 04:02 |
| tpatil | # link : https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513 | 04:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [Undecided,New] | 04:02 |
| tpatil | # link : https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513 | 04:03 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: thanks. | 04:03 |
| rkmrHonjo | In this report, I found that masakari can't rescue PAUSED instance. | 04:03 |
| takashi | rkmrHonjo: you mean, the instance paused by users, right? | 04:04 |
| rkmrHonjo | Yes. Masakari try to call stop API to paused instance, but the return code of API is "409". | 04:05 |
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| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: when user pause instance, what libvirt event is sent in the notification? | 04:05 |
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| takashi | rkmrHonjo: I'd like to confirm which version you are using for your testing | 04:06 |
| takashi | rkmrHonjo: Does it include this change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430121/ | 04:06 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Please wait, I check it. | 04:06 |
| rkmrHonjo | s/tpatil/takashi/g | 04:07 |
| takashi | I think that tpatil is thinking about the smme thing as me... | 04:07 |
| tpatil | takashi: yes | 04:07 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Reproduce procedure is... 1. Pause instance. 2. Kill the instance process after paused. This is a simulation of instance failure. | 04:08 |
| abhishekk | IMO if we do this, then user will never be able to pause the instance | 04:08 |
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| takashi | rkmrHonjo: so you are trying the case when some process failure happens 'after' user pauses their instance. | 04:09 |
| takashi | s/some process/qemu process/g | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | takashi: Yes. | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | Pausing is not trigger. Paused instance failure is the trigger of this bug. | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | So https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430121/ doesn't resolve this issue. | 04:11 |
| takashi | rkmrHonjo: ok. so let's back to tpatil's question. What kind of notification does masakari monitor send for that situation? | 04:12 |
| takashi | LIFECYCLE STOPPED_FAILED? | 04:12 |
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| takashi | just for my confirmation | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | takashi: Ah...Please wait. | 04:12 |
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| abhishekk | inshort wheneve masakari-engine receives notification, we need to reset it to error state? | 04:13 |
| abhishekk | we are setting instance to error sstate if it is i resize (IMO this is for host failure) | 04:14 |
| abhishekk | s/i/in | 04:14 |
| rkmrHonjo | takashi: STOPPED_FAILED, yes. | 04:15 |
| takashi | rkmrHonjo: thx | 04:15 |
| takashi | abhishekk: your are talking about this? https://github.com/openstack/masakari/blob/master/masakari/engine/drivers/taskflow/instance_failure.py#L60-L62 | 04:16 |
| abhishekk | takashi: yes | 04:16 |
| takashi | the one for host failure https://github.com/openstack/masakari/blob/master/masakari/engine/drivers/taskflow/host_failure.py#L95-L102 | 04:16 |
| tpatil | If user has paused instance, does libvirt generated STOPPED_FAILED event? | 04:17 |
| abhishekk | IMO this way for each vm_state except (shelved_offloaded) we can trigger this failure, am I right? | 04:17 |
| takashi | tpatil: STOPPED_FAILED is not caused just for pausing instance | 04:18 |
| takashi | tpatil: even after we pause instance, qemu process for the paused instance remains on compute node, and ... | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | abhishekk, takashi: Maybe yes. I'm checking other statuses now. PAUSED is one of the examples. | 04:19 |
| samP | Pased by the user right? Notification sent by the process monitor? | 04:19 |
| takashi | tpatil: if we get some failure for the qemu process, we get notification with STOPPED_FAILED | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Instance monitor sent notification. Because this is a instance failure. | 04:20 |
| abhishekk | He is talking if instance is paused and after oausing if it fails (killing qemu process) then | 04:20 |
| abhishekk | s/ousing/pausing | 04:20 |
| tpatil | takashi: and in this case, you are simulating to kill the qemu process and then it send STOPPED_FAILED event, correct? | 04:20 |
| takashi | tpatil: right | 04:22 |
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| takashi | so the point here is, we can get STOPPED_FAILED event for active instance and poused instance, because for both cases qemu process remains and send that notification when the qemu process dies for some reasons | 04:23 |
| tpatil | masakari-engine doesn't have enough information to take all these smart decision as it's unaware of what's going on the compute node. | 04:23 |
| takashi | like OOM-killer | 04:23 |
| takashi | s/send/masakari-monitor sends/ | 04:24 |
| rkmrHonjo | takashi: You're right. thanks. | 04:24 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Do you think calling reset-state api, stop and start will solve this problem? | 04:25 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil:Yes. | 04:25 |
| takashi | If we can assume that STOPPED_FAILED is raised only when qemu process dies unexpectedly, it makes sense to me to reset the instance state to error for any cases | 04:26 |
| tpatil | before calling reset-state, engine can check the vm state/task status and accordingly make some decisions and call reset-state api before calling stop and start apis. | 04:26 |
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| takashi | tpatil: that is what we are doing for resizing, right? | 04:27 |
| tpatil | correct | 04:27 |
| samP | IMO, if it is a user paused instance, in this case we change the state to paused -> active/stop | 04:27 |
| samP | is acceptable? | 04:27 |
| samP | is it acceptable? | 04:27 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Yeah. I agree with tpatil's opinion. | 04:28 |
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| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Let me confirm the problem again. user pauses instance, before it's paused gracefully qemu process dies and it generate STOPPED_FAILED event and send an notification to masakari. Masakari check the vm/task state and call reset-state api before calling stop and start apis. | 04:30 |
| tpatil | so finally user will see the instance in active status and NOT in paused state. | 04:30 |
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| tpatil | provided qemu process is up again on the compute node. | 04:31 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Please describe the reproduction steps on the LP bug in detail | 04:32 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks, this method looks good to me | 04:32 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: OK, I describe the steps. | 04:32 |
| samP | tpatil: so, user can paused it again | 04:33 |
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| samP | #action rkmrHonjo add reproduction steps on the LP bug #1663513 in detai | 04:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663513 | 04:34 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil, samP: I agree with your opinion. | 04:34 |
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| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:34 |
| samP | OK then, lets discuss details on the LP or gerrit for this | 04:35 |
| takashi | +1 | 04:35 |
| sagara | +1 | 04:35 |
| rkmrHonjo | +1 | 04:35 |
| samP | Next bug, | 04:35 |
| samP | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1664183 | 04:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1664183 in masakari "Failed to update a status of hosts." [Undecided,New] | 04:35 |
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| rkmrHonjo | OK. This report says... Masakari user can't update status of host-foo if there are "error" notifications in host-bar. (host-foo and bar belong to same segment.) | 04:36 |
| rkmrHonjo | Is this correct? | 04:36 |
| tpatil | you can only update on_maintenance and reserved properties of hosts | 04:36 |
| tpatil | there is no status field for host | 04:37 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | host doesn't have any property like status | 04:37 |
| rkmrHonjo | Ah, sorry, "status" means on_maintenance. | 04:37 |
| rkmrHonjo | I fix LP after that. | 04:37 |
| takashi | if the error is temporal one, it will be resolved by periodic task. Is it right? | 04:38 |
| takashi | In my understanding, if the fail over segment has notifications only in finished or failed status, we can update the hosts in it | 04:38 |
| samP | takashi: same understanding | 04:39 |
| tpatil | takashi: correct | 04:39 |
| takashi | and periodic task should pick up notifications in error, and change it to finished or failed | 04:39 |
| samP | so, we have to wait for periodic task to clear it | 04:39 |
| tpatil | the notification is error status will be processed by the periodic tasks | 04:40 |
| takashi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431335/ | 04:40 |
| takashi | this one | 04:40 |
| tpatil | #link :https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427072/ | 04:41 |
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| takashi | sorry, I pasted wrong url... | 04:42 |
| takashi | :-( | 04:42 |
| tpatil | after processing notification in error status, it will change the status either to finished or failed. After that, you should be able to change the on_maintenance flag | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | All: Thank you for explaining.In conclusion, this is correct as Masakari specs, right? | 04:43 |
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| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: yes | 04:43 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: yes, if there is error notifications in the segment, you have to wait till periodic task clear the state of the notifications | 04:44 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP, tpatil:OK. I fix describe and change status to "invalid" after that. | 04:44 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:44 |
| samP | is there any other bugs to discuss? | 04:45 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: the default interval of periodic task is 120 seconds | 04:45 |
| takashi | samP: I think tpatil listed up some bugs in high priority etherpad | 04:46 |
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| takashi | so can we move to the topic? | 04:46 |
| samP | takashi: yep.. | 04:46 |
| samP | that is the next topic | 04:46 |
| samP | #topic High priority items for Ocata | 04:46 |
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| samP | lest discuss about tpatil's list | 04:47 |
| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-priorities-masakari | 04:47 |
| samP | I added the items for python-masakariclinet and masakari-monitors. | 04:48 |
| tpatil | Add periodic tasks to process notifications in error/new states | 04:48 |
| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431335/ | 04:49 |
| tpatil | above patch is pending for review | 04:49 |
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| samP | tpatil: I will review it | 04:50 |
| tpatil | 2. Implement reserve host recovery methods | 04:50 |
| tpatil | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432314/ | 04:50 |
| tpatil | I have review this patch and voted -1 | 04:51 |
| tpatil | Dinesh will address these review comments | 04:51 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | ^^ I will address them today | 04:51 |
| samP | tpatil: Dinesh_Bhor thanks | 04:51 |
| takashi | will review the patch, and also its spec | 04:52 |
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| tpatil | Release notes build is failing | 04:54 |
| tpatil | It requires major changes | 04:54 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: major changes? | 04:55 |
| samP | tpatil: What changes are you proposing? | 04:55 |
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| tpatil | after you build the release notes using to command, it should show Newton Release Notes and Current Series Release Notes | 04:55 |
| tpatil | s/to/tox | 04:55 |
| tpatil | currently, it's not showing Newton Release notes at all. | 04:56 |
| takashi | fyi: http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/nova/unreleased.html | 04:57 |
| tpatil | Also ,the release note formatting is incorrect at few other places which we are planning to fix in the same LP bug | 04:57 |
| takashi | in this release note, we can find newton release note in the page also as current seriese | 04:58 |
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| samP | tpatil: takashi: got it. | 04:58 |
| samP | tpatil: are you addressing this on same LP bug? | 04:58 |
| tpatil | samP: yes | 04:59 |
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| samP | tpatil: OK, thanks. Me too take look into this, sice masakari-monitors,and python-masakariclient need the same fix | 05:00 |
| sagara | we have no time, do we need to change the room? | 05:00 |
| samP | nop | 05:00 |
| samP | OK, lets finish the discussion here and move to #opesntack-masakari | 05:00 |
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| samP | thank you all.. | 05:01 |
| tpatil | Thanks | 05:02 |
| samP | lets finish, please use #opesntack-masakari or ML for further discussion | 05:02 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 05:02 |
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| eranrom | #startmeeting storlets | 08:00 |
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| eranrom | Hi | 08:00 |
| eranrom | akihito: Hi | 08:00 |
| akihito | hi | 08:01 |
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| eranrom | takashi: hi | 08:01 |
| takashi | eranrom: hi | 08:01 |
| eranrom | I do not have anything special for today. | 08:02 |
| takashi | Is kota_ already here? I heard that he should be late for some minutes | 08:02 |
| eranrom | takashi: no, lets wait, I wanted to ask him something... | 08:03 |
| takashi | eranrom: ok | 08:03 |
| takashi | not so big topics from my side. just would like to ask some reviews about high-priority items | 08:03 |
| takashi | eranrom: Can I ask one thing before kota_ comes? | 08:04 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure, please do | 08:04 |
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| takashi | about container id problems: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425054/ | 08:04 |
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| kota_ | hello | 08:05 |
| eranrom | kota_: hi | 08:05 |
| kota_ | sorry for delay | 08:05 |
| takashi | kota_: hi | 08:05 |
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| eranrom | takashi: right, I said I will try your fix, did not get to it. Will try today | 08:05 |
| akihito | hi | 08:05 |
| takashi | eranrom: Do you have any update about using whole id as a scope in container? | 08:05 |
| eranrom | takashi: sorry not yet. Will try today | 08:05 |
| kota_ | what's going on? | 08:06 |
| takashi | eranrom: OK. I'll leave my +2 later on the patch, so if you find any difficulty let's land your fix first | 08:06 |
| eranrom | takashi: thanks! | 08:06 |
| takashi | kota_: just talking about container id fixes | 08:06 |
| eranrom | kota_: good thanks | 08:06 |
| kota_ | it looks like you all get an answer ;-) | 08:06 |
| takashi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425054/ | 08:06 |
| kota_ | great | 08:06 |
| takashi | :-) | 08:06 |
| eranrom | As I have mentioned I do not have anything special. | 08:06 |
| eranrom | kota_: I wanted to ask you if you know when stable/ocata is planned for Swift | 08:07 |
| kota_ | AFAIK, soon | 08:07 |
| kota_ | maybe wed or thu on notmyname | 08:07 |
| eranrom | ok, thanks. | 08:08 |
| kota_ | I saw some notice on the release this morning at irc openstack-swift channel | 08:08 |
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| eranrom | kota_: ok, will have a look | 08:08 |
| eranrom | Other than that, some of us are meeting next week. Yey. | 08:09 |
| eranrom | please see if there is anything to add here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storlets-pike-design-summit | 08:09 |
| kota_ | k | 08:09 |
| akihito | I put topic of agent logging to etherpad. | 08:09 |
| kota_ | akihito: good | 08:09 |
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| eranrom | akihito: saw it. its a good point. | 08:09 |
| akihito | I would like to discuss this topic in PTG. | 08:10 |
| akihito | Thank you! | 08:10 |
| eranrom | akihito: yep. | 08:10 |
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| eranrom | its a good subject | 08:10 |
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| kota_ | though i didn't add the topic to meeting agenda today, can i put a question here? | 08:11 |
| eranrom | kota_: please do | 08:11 |
| kota_ | ok | 08:11 |
| takashi | kota_: sure | 08:11 |
| kota_ | thanks | 08:11 |
| kota_ | so... I had a problem with my AWS vm with s2aio | 08:12 |
| kota_ | I didn't dig why/what happens yet so i'm going to describe what I got in the environment | 08:12 |
| kota_ | here | 08:12 |
| kota_ | at first, I made a s2aio environment with clean ubuntu 16.04 vm via ./s2aio.sh | 08:13 |
| kota_ | strictly speaking ./s2aio.sh dev host | 08:13 |
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| kota_ | it worked as expected all environment got ready to use, yey | 08:13 |
| kota_ | however | 08:13 |
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| kota_ | once I did suspend the vm | 08:13 |
| kota_ | and re-launch it, the environment didn't work anymore | 08:14 |
| kota_ | do you have any ideas on that? | 08:14 |
| eranrom | kota_: I am afraid this is a known issue. and to the best of my knowledge it has to do with Swift using a loopback device over a local file | 08:14 |
| kota_ | with my quick view, the keystone process was being missing | 08:14 |
| eranrom | right. also keystone and swift are not necessarily getting up | 08:15 |
| kota_ | eranrom: yeah, I tried to ./s2aio.sh swift stop/start with your patch | 08:15 |
| takashi | kota_: does your vm itself run? | 08:15 |
| kota_ | eranrom: but nothing resolved | 08:15 |
| kota_ | takashi: sure | 08:15 |
| takashi | kota_: ok | 08:15 |
| kota_ | and one more issue on that | 08:15 |
| eranrom | did you do the stop before the vm was suspended? | 08:15 |
| kota_ | when i tried to re-install via ./s2aio.sh dev host | 08:16 |
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| kota_ | we cannot do that maybe due to that we need something like unstack.sh? | 08:16 |
| eranrom | kota_: that is right. | 08:16 |
| kota_ | so I have to build brand-new environment with clean vm with cry a lot :/ | 08:16 |
| eranrom | well, you can try and do: | 08:17 |
| kota_ | eranrom: I didin't call stop before suspend | 08:17 |
| eranrom | unstack.sh | 08:17 |
| kota_ | ah | 08:17 |
| eranrom | then run s2aio.sh again | 08:17 |
| eranrom | and in following 'suspends' stop before you suspend | 08:17 |
| kota_ | and I found a behavior which may be problem | 08:17 |
| eranrom | it is a problem :-) | 08:18 |
| kota_ | in the suspend, aws vm seems to delete /tmp files | 08:18 |
| eranrom | oh, I see. | 08:18 |
| kota_ | and ./s2aio.sh looks like to prepare a lot of files in the dir. | 08:18 |
| kota_ | ok, what I can try is unstack.sh and then ./s2aio.sh again | 08:19 |
| eranrom | kota_: yes. | 08:19 |
| kota_ | I'm not sure I had tried that. | 08:19 |
| eranrom | If this does not help lets discuss in IRC | 08:19 |
| eranrom | I should mention the following: | 08:19 |
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| eranrom | 1. There is a new patch that "port" all s2aio to devstack (no ansible) | 08:20 |
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| eranrom | 2. This patch also does not use /tmp anymore | 08:20 |
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| kota_ | oh, nice | 08:20 |
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| eranrom | 3. This patch supports install, stop, start | 08:21 |
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| eranrom | 4. install is equivalent to stack.sh | 08:21 |
| takashi | makes much sense | 08:21 |
| eranrom | 5. start and stop merely start and stop Swift and Keystone. There used to be a devstack equivalent but its deprecated | 08:22 |
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| eranrom | 6. I will add uninstall which will be the equivalent to unstack | 08:22 |
| eranrom | This is the patch: | 08:22 |
| eranrom | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429636/ | 08:22 |
| eranrom | and there is a PTG topiv on that :-) | 08:23 |
| eranrom | topic | 08:23 |
| eranrom | takashi: I know you are very busy with a new project, but will be gratefull if you can comment in the discussion topics in the Etherpad. | 08:23 |
| kota_ | sounds what I was looking for ;-) | 08:23 |
| eranrom | kota_: hopefully :-) | 08:24 |
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| kota_ | eranrom: I'd like to try the patch anyway to aviod newly clean install at AWS for each time :,< | 08:24 |
| eranrom | kota_: It does require quite a review though. Also, it depends on another patch that takes all code out of the container image | 08:24 |
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| kota_ | eranrom: gotcha | 08:25 |
| eranrom | kota_: you are still welcome to use it. | 08:25 |
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| eranrom | anything else? | 08:27 |
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| eranrom | that is anything else for now? | 08:27 |
| kota_ | that's all to me. | 08:27 |
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| takashi | nothing else from my side | 08:27 |
| akihito | nothing | 08:27 |
| kota_ | have a nice trip you all | 08:28 |
| kota_ | except takashi? sorry :/ | 08:28 |
| takashi | have a nice trip and have a nice and exciting week | 08:28 |
| eranrom | Thanks! | 08:28 |
| takashi | I'm looking forward to hear your great discussions! | 08:28 |
| akihito | Thank you | 08:28 |
| takashi | kota_: np :-) | 08:28 |
| eranrom | takashi: thanks! | 08:28 |
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| eranrom | Thank you all for joining. | 08:29 |
| eranrom | #endmeeting | 08:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 08:29:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:29 |
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| saggi | #startmeeting karbor | 09:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 09:01:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is saggi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
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| saggi | Hi everyone | 09:02 |
| edisonxiang | Hey | 09:02 |
| zhonghua | hi | 09:02 |
| chenying | hi | 09:02 |
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| saggi | yuval should join soon | 09:03 |
| yuvalb | Hey (using irc on phone) | 09:03 |
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| saggi | There is nothing on the agenda | 09:03 |
| saggi | but it's the tail end of the O cycle | 09:03 |
| saggi | #topic finishing Ocata | 09:03 |
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| zhangshuai | hi saggi, yuval | 09:04 |
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| zhangshuai | hi saggi, yuvalb | 09:04 |
| saggi | hi | 09:04 |
| yuvalb | hey | 09:05 |
| chenying | There are some bug fixes, need think about marging back to ocata branch of karbor. | 09:05 |
| saggi | chenying, like what? | 09:05 |
| zhangshuai | I'm checking some of dashboard's Bug | 09:06 |
| chenying | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433428/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433015/ about dashboard. | 09:06 |
| chenying | wu also work on the bug fixes about the python-karborclient. | 09:06 |
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| yuvalb | chenying: new found bugs? | 09:08 |
| chenying | yuvalb is working on a bug about the authentication when the service is starting. | 09:08 |
| chenying | yuval Yes I found a bug about heat client creation. I am fixing it . | 09:09 |
| yuvalb | we have the release next week | 09:10 |
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| chenying | <yuvalb> The bug that wu found is about the help or description of karbor cmd. | 09:10 |
| yuvalb | saggi has to go and I'm on phone, so let's make this quick | 09:11 |
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| yuvalb | ocata is next week | 09:11 |
| yuvalb | critical bug fixes will be merged | 09:12 |
| chenying | OK we will submit the fix patch ASAP. | 09:12 |
| zhangshuai | http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/identity is not works in restoring. and http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:35357/v3 is ok | 09:12 |
| yuvalb | do not send patches to stable/ocata until the patch is merged in master | 09:12 |
| yuvalb | chenying, we spoke about that yesterday | 09:13 |
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| yuvalb | zhangshuai: that depends on the keystone deployment | 09:13 |
| yuvalb | uwsgi vs mod_wsgi | 09:13 |
| yuvalb | see keystone in devstack | 09:14 |
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| chenying | yuval I use the git cherry-pick -x send the merged patch to stable/ocata. | 09:14 |
| yuvalb | anyway, devstack shouldn't really be used for production deployment | 09:14 |
| yuvalb | chenying: but only after the patch to master was fully merged | 09:15 |
| chenying | yuvalb No problem | 09:15 |
| yuvalb | great | 09:16 |
| zhangshuai | Got it , yuvalb | 09:16 |
| yuvalb | anything else? | 09:16 |
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| chenying | yuval Do you have any time to review patches today? Some comments have been adressed. | 09:17 |
| yuvalb | I will barely have time for reviews today | 09:17 |
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| chenying | : ( | 09:19 |
| yuvalb | anything else? | 09:19 |
| chenying | If you are free, you can see the patches that you have give comments. If they are ok, I hope that they can be merged today. | 09:20 |
| yuvalb | As said, I will barley have time today | 09:20 |
| chenying | OK I know. | 09:21 |
| yuvalb | barely* | 09:21 |
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| yuvalb | right | 09:21 |
| yuvalb | thanks for coming | 09:21 |
| yuvalb | #endmeeting | 09:22 |
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| yanyanhu | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 13:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yanyanhu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hello everyone | 13:00 |
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| elynn | Hi | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn | 13:01 |
| Qiming | hello | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi, Qiming | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | good evening, I guess somebody may leave for valentine's day :) | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | lets wait for minutes for other attenders | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, lets get started | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Agenda_.282017-02-14_1300_UTC.29 | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | here is the agenda, please feel free to add items | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | #topic ocata work items | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:05 | |
| yanyanhu | "Feature Rich" Nova Server | 13:05 |
| elynn | It's ongoing | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn, I noticed basic support has been done | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:06 |
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| elynn | Three patches merged. | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:06 |
| elynn | Now it support to create ports with security_groups and floating_ip | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | so what is the next step? | 13:06 |
| elynn | There're two patches are under reviewing | 13:06 |
| elynn | One is to support jinja2 in user_data | 13:07 |
| elynn | I think that is also important one. | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:07 |
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| yanyanhu | I guess those ones have been enough to support VDU case xinhui described before? | 13:07 |
| elynn | Another one is to handle network update | 13:08 |
| elynn | Not without the jinja2 patch yanyanhu | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | that is for support vdu node update, right | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | for deployment, I guess it is enough? | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, I see | 13:08 |
| Qiming | the network update logic is a mess | 13:09 |
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| elynn | And Bran from vmware are testing and migrating their existing templates to use senlin vdu profile | 13:09 |
| Qiming | just spent some time reading the code | 13:09 |
| elynn | Qiming, Why do you say so? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | I have previously spent a whole week to refactor the code to covery all possible paths and possbilities | 13:09 |
| elynn | It's not easy to handle network update actually... | 13:09 |
| Qiming | so I know how tricky it is to get things right | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | yes, network update is not easy for we need to control the sequence of network resource operations carefully | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | I said it is a mess because there are some new inline functions introduced, that does nothing at all | 13:11 |
| Qiming | it is not easy, that part I agree | 13:11 |
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| elynn | You mean I should expand inline functions in _update_network function? | 13:12 |
| elynn | Qiming | 13:12 |
| Qiming | you don't need the _get_network call at all, for example | 13:12 |
| Qiming | it has been well encapsulated in the sdk exception annotator | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | it involves a lot of unnecessary DB transactions which can be safely combined | 13:14 |
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| yanyanhu | I guess we can define some util functions if those logics are generic enough to reuse, otherwise, we can just define local function in VDU server module | 13:15 |
| elynn | yes | 13:15 |
| Qiming | line 1127 to 1154 is now made an inline function, that is making writing test cases for it very difficult | 13:15 |
| elynn | I can refactor that. | 13:15 |
| Qiming | the logic is already very complicated ... | 13:15 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, +1, inline function is very difficult to test... | 13:16 |
| Qiming | I was never successful when trying to write an elegant unit test for inline functions | 13:16 |
| elynn | You mean move that logic out? Qiming | 13:16 |
| Qiming | it is bad programming style, thus should be fixed | 13:17 |
| elynn | okay, I could do that. | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | in previous work, I tried very hard to save code lines for validation | 13:18 |
| Qiming | that is the reason I introduced 'reason' parameter to _validate_network | 13:18 |
| elynn | I saw that logic Qiming | 13:19 |
| Qiming | in this revised version, I need more time to understand how the logic flows and every corner cases covered | 13:19 |
| elynn | After refactoring, 'reason' parameter is used only for a limit part. | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | so, elynn, please keeping refactoring the code, thanks a lot :) | 13:20 |
| elynn | I can show you the logic behind this patch :) | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:20 |
| Qiming | okay, if possible, keep function complexity below 20 | 13:20 |
| Qiming | keep function lines below 100 | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | that is a high bar | 13:21 |
| elynn | I can try... | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | but for maintainability's sake, it is no less important than functional correctness | 13:21 |
| Qiming | if you find some logics requently called, you may want to move them into the corresponding driver | 13:22 |
| Qiming | that's all from me | 13:23 |
| elynn | okay, I will keep in mind :) | 13:23 |
| Qiming | many thanks | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | great, lets move on | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | next one, Engine Improvement | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | xuefeng is not here I think | 13:24 |
| XueFengLiu | hi | 13:24 |
| XueFengLiu | yanyan | 13:24 |
| XueFengLiu | :) | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | hi :) | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | I throught you are not here | 13:24 |
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| XueFengLiu | Come back | 13:25 |
| XueFengLiu | About action improvement | 13:25 |
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| XueFengLiu | Will split the patch | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:26 |
| XueFengLiu | Then you guys help to review | 13:26 |
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| yanyanhu | we can split the logic at DB API layer and upper layer | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, thanks a lot | 13:26 |
| XueFengLiu | my pleasure | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | and please keep working on this as well :) | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424073/ | 13:27 |
| XueFengLiu | Will do this tomorrow | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 13:27 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets move on | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | Health Management | 13:28 |
| XueFengLiu | Ok | 13:28 |
| Qiming | so yanyan's patch won't be revived? | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, you mean the one about action purging? | 13:28 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:28 |
| Qiming | 329338 | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | sorry haven't resumed it... | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | I guess there won't be difficult to restore it | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431401/ | 13:29 |
| Qiming | I think 431401 is doing the same thing, right? | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | difficulty | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | This one | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:29 |
| Qiming | okay, then 329338 can be abandoned forever? | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | With recent code | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | HaHa | 13:30 |
| Qiming | that is confusing | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, I guess my patch is more generic solution for action purging | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | oh, you mean this one | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431401/ | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | I guess I can abandon mine | 13:30 |
| Qiming | xuefeng didnt continue your patch | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | and lets keep working on 431401 | 13:30 |
| Qiming | seems to me he started a new one | 13:31 |
| XueFengLiu | The same one | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | it's ok | 13:31 |
| Qiming | okay, let's forget 329338 then | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | I will abandon 329338 | 13:31 |
| XueFengLiu | Two patches about action | 13:31 |
| Qiming | reassign this to XueFeng now | 13:31 |
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| XueFengLiu | The first is about cluster check action | 13:32 |
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| XueFengLiu | And https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431401/ is the same with yanyan's | 13:32 |
| Qiming | got it | 13:32 |
| Qiming | we can move on then | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | so please keep working on it | 13:32 |
| XueFengLiu | To delete all actions when we delete a cluster/node | 13:32 |
| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | nice, lets move on | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | document | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming worked hard on document I think | 13:33 |
| Qiming | need eyes on review | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | and the one for lb policy has been done | 13:33 |
| Qiming | I want all policy types documented before final RC | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | yes, please help to review them, thanks a lot | 13:34 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes, it's a hard work | 13:34 |
| Qiming | then during the last week, we'll focus only on critical bugs | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | sounds great | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, next one | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | Senlinclient | 13:35 |
| Qiming | from release time's point of view, all RCs are just practices for the final release | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | yep :) | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | the ultimate goal is to make the final release stable | 13:35 |
| Qiming | I'll try get the 3 other policy types documented in the next two days | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | hi, XueFengLiu, so the functional test for client has not been started? | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, thank you so much, will help to review | 13:36 |
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| XueFengLiu | Yanyan, sorroy not time to do now | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | no problem | 13:36 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, I think we need your expertise in setting up the gate job | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | yes, I think I will try to spend some time on it | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | to set up the gate job | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | and then XueFengLiu can keep working on the test case | 13:37 |
| XueFengLiu | No problem | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | will start this work in this week | 13:37 |
| XueFengLiu | :) | 13:37 |
| Qiming | would be greate | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | ok next one | 13:38 |
| Qiming | wrting test case can be split across the team | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | profile | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, that can be done in parallel | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | haiwei is not here? | 13:38 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | ok, lets skip it. Although that is one of the most important TODO for us in next cycle | 13:39 |
| Qiming | another two patches need your review | 13:39 |
| Qiming | they are about support status at client side | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, saw them, will check them tomorrow | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | $ senlin policy-type-list | 13:39 |
| Qiming | WARNING (shell) "senlin policy-type-list" is deprecated and will be removed by Apr 2017, please use "openstack cluster policy type list" instead. | 13:39 |
| Qiming | +--------------------------------+---------+----------------------------+ | 13:39 |
| Qiming | | name | version | support_status | | 13:39 |
| Qiming | +--------------------------------+---------+----------------------------+ | 13:39 |
| Qiming | | senlin.policy.affinity | 1.0 | SUPPORTED since 2016.10 | | 13:39 |
| Qiming | | senlin.policy.batch | 1.0 | EXPERIMENTAL since 2017.02 | | 13:39 |
| Qiming | | senlin.policy.deletion | 1.0 | SUPPORTED since 2016.04 | | 13:39 |
| Qiming | | senlin.policy.health | 1.0 | EXPERIMENTAL since 2017.02 | | 13:39 |
| Qiming | | senlin.policy.loadbalance | 1.0 | SUPPORTED since 2016.04 | | 13:40 |
| Qiming | | senlin.policy.region_placement | 1.0 | EXPERIMENTAL since 2016.04 | | 13:40 |
| Qiming | | | | SUPPORTED since 2016.10 | | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | looks nice | 13:40 |
| Qiming | | senlin.policy.zone_placement | 1.0 | EXPERIMENTAL since 2016.04 | | 13:40 |
| Qiming | | | | SUPPORTED since 2016.10 | | 13:40 |
| Qiming | +--------------------------------+---------+----------------------------+ | 13:40 |
| Qiming | this is the output | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | sorry, I broke the line :) | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | this looks great | 13:40 |
| Qiming | you broke nothing at my side | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | :P | 13:40 |
| Qiming | it is all caused by connection delay | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:41 |
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| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, elynn, please help to review them as well if you guys have time :) | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | ok, those are all items in the list | 13:42 |
| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | #topic Ocata RC3 for senlin and final release for senlin-dashboard | 13:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata RC3 for senlin and final release for senlin-dashboard (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:42 | |
| elynn | will | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | so this week will be the time for senlin rc3 and final release for senlin-dashboard | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | plan to cut the release by this Tuesday | 13:42 |
| Qiming | come on | 13:43 |
| elynn | today is tuesday | 13:43 |
| Qiming | today is Tuesday | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | so if there is any critical fix, please push it | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | sorry... | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | misclicking | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | Thursday | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | ate too much chocolate | 13:43 |
| elynn | :) | 13:44 |
| Qiming | bad for your brain, boy | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | ok, so open discussion now | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, agree... | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | #topic open discussion | 13:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:45 | |
| Qiming | I'm really curious about the mistral workflow progress | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | any more want to discuss? | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | oh, btw, our final mascot has been ready | 13:45 |
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| elynn | o? | 13:45 |
| Qiming | but ... I think the girl may be dating ... | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, I think xinhui will talk with mistral guys in PTG | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | hope she can bring back more news | 13:45 |
| Qiming | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b8kpj5k29eaf65t/AADoIo9VUz14A81c--UTRtLNa?dl=0 | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | WoW | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | good for her :P | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, will forward you guys the mail about Mascot | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | it's cool | 13:46 |
| Qiming | the link I pasted above | 13:46 |
| elynn | What's that? | 13:46 |
| Qiming | that is the mascot for Senlin | 13:47 |
| elynn | An unknown webside | 13:47 |
| Qiming | the final version | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | sigh,I can't open that link... | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | at home | 13:47 |
| Qiming | need proxy I think | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | seems so | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | can you access https://snag.gy/ ? | 13:47 |
| elynn | That is the final version? | 13:48 |
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| yanyanhu | elynn, think so | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | that is accessible | 13:48 |
| elynn | Looks sweet, looks like tree family. | 13:48 |
| Qiming | okay, I'm pasting to that site | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | haha | 13:48 |
| Qiming | the link will be .. | 13:49 |
| Qiming | .. | 13:49 |
| Qiming | (uploading ) | 13:49 |
| Qiming | .. | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | .. | 13:49 |
| Qiming | https://snag.gy/ZUNIkV.jpg | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | saw it, haha | 13:49 |
| XueFengLiu | haha | 13:50 |
| Qiming | so many .... trees | 13:50 |
| Qiming | :D | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | thanks a lot for the effort of Heidi and her team | 13:50 |
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| elynn | Where will we put that logo? | 13:51 |
| Qiming | anywhere | 13:51 |
| Qiming | when you need to tell a story about it | 13:51 |
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| yanyanhu | you can print it on your T-shirt | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:51 |
| elynn | That's a good idea :D | 13:51 |
| XueFengLiu | For example senlin wiki | 13:52 |
| Qiming | right, right | 13:52 |
| Qiming | I should have done that | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | noted, as a work item in etherpad | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | thanks :) | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | ok, so that's all topics for today | 13:53 |
| yanyanhu | any more for discussion? | 13:53 |
| Qiming | no from me | 13:53 |
| elynn | nope | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | ok, thanks all you guys for joining | 13:54 |
| XueFengLiu | In wiki we'd better add two things:1.tell peoplesome link need vpn 2.add some Frequently Asked Questions | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | XueFengLiu, +1, FAQ is important | 13:54 |
| XueFengLiu | :) | 13:54 |
| Qiming | added to etherpad | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | thanks, Qiming | 13:55 |
| XueFengLiu | No need much ,just several FAQ | 13:55 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, so happy valentine's day to you all and have a good night:) | 13:56 |
| Qiming | u 2 | 13:56 |
| XueFengLiu | good night, all:) | 13:56 |
| Qiming | bye | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | bye | 13:56 |
| elynn | good night | 13:56 |
| yanyanhu | #endmeeting | 13:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 13:56:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-02-14-13.00.html | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-02-14-13.00.txt | 13:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-02-14-13.00.log.html | 13:56 |
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| jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 14:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | Hello friends! o/ | 14:00 |
| ataraday_ | hi | 14:00 |
| dasanind | Hi | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Announcements | 14:00 |
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| haleyb_ | hi | 14:00 |
| reedip_ | O/ | 14:00 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rajivk__ | o/ | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | The PTG is next week - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110040.html | 14:00 |
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| trevormc | o/ | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | We already have quite an attendance :) | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | Ideas/topics to discuss are put here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 14:01 |
| hichihara | o/ | 14:01 |
| annp | o/ | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | I assume it's gonna we walked through soon and somehow organized | 14:01 |
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| kevinbenton | hi | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | Pike specs are now open https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429855/ | 14:01 |
| ajo | o/ | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | yeah. note there is a -final version: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike-final | 14:01 |
| andreas_s | hi | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: ah, thanks. I didn't know about that one | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | though it's not final, I believe kevinbenton was going to scrap it once more | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i want to go over one last time to assign some chairs with ihrachys and armax | 14:02 |
| amotoki | oh, i haven't added me.... | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | but i think the topics are pretty finalized | 14:02 |
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| kevinbenton | i need to see what new stuff has hit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 14:03 |
| kevinbenton | over the weekend | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | kevinbenton: since you're here, do you want to lead? :) | 14:04 |
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| kevinbenton | no | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | ok | 14:05 |
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| kevinbenton | :) | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | So about the Pike specs open - please if you have any proposals that didn't make it to Ocata, you'll need to rebase/re-propose for Pike. | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | We have a sort of a new Neutron CI meeting regularly on Tuesdays at 4pm UTC. | 14:06 |
| jlibosva | That's in 2 hours. I encourage everyone interested in gate stability to join. | 14:06 |
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| dasm | late allo allo | 14:07 |
| dasm | \ | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | About Ocata - we have an assessment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425990/ | 14:07 |
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| jlibosva | if you are a feature owner, please have a look | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | and comment | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | Ocata is planned to be coordinated release on Feb 22nd | 14:08 |
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| jlibosva | That's all I had to announce. Anybody else wants to announce anything? | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | ok, moving on | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | #topic Blueprints | 14:09 |
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| jlibosva | As I said, Pike specs are now open so please rebase to Pike proposals that didn't make it to Ocata | 14:10 |
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| jlibosva | For Ocata, I believe only very-very-critical things can be set - https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/ocata-rc2 | 14:11 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: korzen I see no patches for ovo in the wiki, do you want a dedicated topic? | 14:12 |
| ataraday_ | Some changes for enginefacade switch will be glad to get reviews - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402750/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404715/ | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | I will only mention that korzen and electrocucaracha started working on online migration mechanism in neutron-db-manage, and they have a WIP: https://review.openstack.org/432494 | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | it's not ready right now, and there is some design work to do, but that's a topic that will require some oversight from the whole team later, so a heads up | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | other than that, I don't think there is much to bring up right now | 14:14 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: ok, thanks for heads up | 14:14 |
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| jlibosva | ataraday_: thanks for bringing this up, I see one already has +2 :) | 14:15 |
| jlibosva | anybody else has some links that need attention? | 14:16 |
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| jlibosva | #info enginefacade patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402750/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404715/ | 14:16 |
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| jlibosva | #info online migration mechanism WIP patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432494/ | 14:16 |
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| jlibosva | I think we can move on | 14:17 |
| jlibosva | #topic Bugs and gate failures | 14:17 |
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| electrocucaracha | jlibosva: I have one | 14:18 |
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| electrocucaracha | :S | 14:18 |
| jlibosva | electrocucaracha: for blueprints? | 14:18 |
| jlibosva | electrocucaracha: or bugs? | 14:18 |
| electrocucaracha | well, it was related with the code coverage | 14:18 |
| electrocucaracha | any comment is welcome https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432432/ | 14:19 |
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| jlibosva | electrocucaracha: ok, thanks | 14:19 |
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| jlibosva | I think that belongs here to gate | 14:20 |
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| jlibosva | I'd also like to remind here again the Neutron CI meeting, which will be in 1.66 hours: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronCI | 14:20 |
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| jlibosva | I was the bug deputy for the last week | 14:21 |
| jlibosva | Nothing major has been reported last week, was pretty calm | 14:21 |
| jlibosva | weird for a week so close to release :) | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | no one tests rc :P | 14:21 |
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| jlibosva | armax is the bug deputy for this week, so we're in good hands | 14:22 |
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| jlibosva | anybody wants to raise any bug here? | 14:23 |
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| jlibosva | no? so we can move to the next topic | 14:24 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Docs | 14:24 |
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| john-davidge | jlibosva: Hi! | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | I saw john-davidge waving at the beginning of this meeting :) Do you want to give any updates about docs? | 14:25 |
| * jlibosva is too slow | 14:25 | |
| ihrachys | hm do we have deputies for next weeks? just sayin | 14:25 |
| john-davidge | wanna go back to bugs for a deputy? | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: hmm, good point. I forgot about PTG | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | #undo | 14:25 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Docs | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | any volunteer for keeping an eye on bugs during PTG? :) | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | preferrably someone not on ptg | 14:27 |
| electrocucaracha | I can | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | electrocucaracha: thanks! | 14:28 |
| dasm | electrocucaracha: phew! thanks | 14:28 |
| electrocucaracha | I mean, I won't go so I can do it | 14:28 |
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| mlavalle | thanks electrocucaracha! | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | yay electrocucaracha | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | we'll miss you in Atlante, though | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | indeed | 14:28 |
| amotoki | we all hope not many bugs will be filed in the release week :) | 14:28 |
| dasm | mlavalle: i won't miss electrocucaracha in AtlantE ;) | 14:29 |
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| electrocucaracha | that will be boring amotoki | 14:29 |
| jlibosva | I think we can get back to docs :) | 14:29 |
| jlibosva | #topic Docs | 14:29 |
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| jlibosva | john-davidge: hi again :) | 14:29 |
| john-davidge | Ok, so recently we've been landing lots of patches related to #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1656378 | 14:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656378 in openstack-manuals "Networking Guide uses RFC1918 IPv4 ranges instead of RFC5737" [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 14:30 |
| john-davidge | Anybody is welcome to pick up a related patch if they have some free time | 14:30 |
| john-davidge | Also, there will be an openstack-manuals/neutron corss project session at the PTG sometime on monday or tuesday | 14:31 |
| john-davidge | Particularly to discuss a re-organisation of the networking guide and encourage contributions | 14:31 |
| john-davidge | That's it from me | 14:32 |
| amotoki | you can check the networking guide for newton release at http://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html | 14:32 |
| john-davidge | amotoki: Thanks :) | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | john-davidge: thanks for updates | 14:32 |
| amotoki | If you find points to be changed or added, let's file a bug and hopefully propose a patch | 14:32 |
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| jlibosva | yep, thanks amotoki | 14:34 |
| john-davidge | Yes, final version will be cut just before the PTG | 14:34 |
| amotoki | john-davidge: did the docs team change the timing of branch cut? | 14:34 |
| amotoki | IIRC previously the branch was cut after several weeks after the release | 14:35 |
| john-davidge | amotoki: Not that I'm aware of, that's what I last heard from asettle | 14:35 |
| john-davidge | Will double check with her | 14:35 |
| amotoki | john-davidge: okay, let's ask her | 14:35 |
| jlibosva | anything else related to docs? | 14:36 |
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| john-davidge | not from me | 14:36 |
| amotoki | me to | 14:36 |
| amotoki | too | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | john-davidge: amotoki ok, thank you for all updates :) | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:36 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: do you want "the mic"? | 14:36 |
| amotoki | i have no specific update this week | 14:37 |
| amotoki | I plan to discuss the remaining transition plan in Atlanta with OSC team | 14:37 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: is neutron client gonna be released the same time with all other projects? | 14:37 |
| amotoki | jlibosva: could you elaborate more? | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: I mean if the releases are synced | 14:38 |
| dasm | jlibosva: afaik neutron cli is already released | 14:38 |
| dasm | jlibosva: cli releases were 2 (or maybe 3) weeks ag | 14:38 |
| dasm | o | 14:38 |
| jlibosva | dasm: aah, ok. thanks | 14:39 |
| amotoki | in Ocata, we didn't release neutronclient in the middle of releases. | 14:39 |
| amotoki | I agree it is not good. | 14:39 |
| amotoki | as dasm said we released neutron client for Ocata release | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: ok, thanks. I must have missed that | 14:40 |
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| amotoki | that's all from me today | 14:40 |
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| jlibosva | ok, moving on | 14:40 |
| dasm | but, worth to mention, neutron cli is rleeased as 6.1 and marked as deprecated | 14:40 |
| dasm | *released | 14:40 |
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| jlibosva | dasm: good, thanks for info | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | #topic Neutron-lib and planned neutron refactoring | 14:42 |
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| jlibosva | boden: hi, are you around? | 14:42 |
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| jlibosva | it seems like he is not | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | maybe too early for him | 14:43 |
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| jlibosva | yeah though he usually shows up | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | #topic Open discussion | 14:44 |
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| jlibosva | there are no new items to on demand agenda | 14:44 |
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| jlibosva | so if anybody wants to discuss anything here, now is the chance | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | we have 15 mins left, so we have plenty of time | 14:44 |
| boden | jlibosva: sorry I was away for a min | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | boden: I knew you are around :) | 14:45 |
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| jlibosva | #undo | 14:45 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Open discussion | 14:45 |
| jlibosva | boden: do you want to give any updates :) | 14:45 |
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| boden | Much of the same as last week in neutron-lib. As armax mentioned last week we can likely start landing more lib patches this week and into next so I would encourge folks to take a peek at the reviews out there | 14:46 |
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| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-lib+status:open | 14:46 |
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| boden | I think we have 1 active neutron-lib impact patch.. give me 1 sec | 14:47 |
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| boden | The 2 lib impact patches are listed on the neutron meeting wiki; although the patches need to be refreshed once merged they will impact consumers of the relevant functionality | 14:49 |
| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421562/ uses the providernet API definition from lib | 14:50 |
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| boden | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422210/ uses the portbindings api def from neutron-lib | 14:50 |
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| jlibosva | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421562/ uses the providernet API definition from lib | 14:51 |
| jlibosva | oh, the bot doesn't say anything? ok | 14:51 |
| boden | for more details, please see the neutron-lib section of the meeting wiki | 14:51 |
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| boden | and lastely, please don’t forget to add any relevant neutron-lib topics to the PTG etherpad | 14:51 |
| boden | that’s it from me | 14:51 |
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| jlibosva | boden: ok, thanks | 14:52 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Open discussion | 14:52 |
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| jlibosva | we have 8 minutes left | 14:52 |
| ataraday_ | I've sent an email for openstack-dev about "Alternative approaches for L3 HA" and I'll happy to get some comments there :) | 14:52 |
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| jlibosva | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111953.html | 14:53 |
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| jlibosva | ataraday_: thanks :) I put a link here | 14:53 |
| ataraday_ | jlibosva, thanks :) | 14:53 |
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| jlibosva | ataraday_: do you want to discuss it here? or ML is doing fine? | 14:53 |
| ataraday_ | ML fine :) | 14:53 |
| jlibosva | cool | 14:54 |
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| ataraday_ | just to bring some attention to it :) | 14:54 |
| jlibosva | I'm sure people will read | 14:55 |
| jlibosva | anybody else has anything to mention here? we have 5 minutes | 14:55 |
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| amotoki | I think we will skip the meeting next week | 14:56 |
| jlibosva | I would just like mention here again that there is a Neutron CI meeting in an hour :) at this channel, please show up if you're interested in gate stability | 14:56 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: yeah, good point. | 14:56 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: you go extra mile to advertise it, thanks :))) | 14:56 |
| jlibosva | kevinbenton: are you still here? I guess next week there won't be a meeting, right? | 14:56 |
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| hichihara | next next meeting? | 14:56 |
| kevinbenton | jlibosva: yeah, i assume no meeting next week | 14:56 |
| jlibosva | kevinbenton: you assume? you're the boss now, you must be sure :) | 14:57 |
| ihrachys | for the record, next is 28th then | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | maybe a message to the ML will be helpful | 14:57 |
| kevinbenton | jlibosva: yeah, no meeting | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | :] | 14:57 |
| kevinbenton | jlibosva: it would be too soon to provide feedback from PTG | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | very first hours of ptg vertical track, not bad maybe | 14:57 |
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| jlibosva | or horizontal maybe | 14:58 |
| amotoki | kevinbenton: jlibosva: are you talking about the meeting of the week Feb 28th? | 14:58 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: yeah, the next meeting will be 28th | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | yeah, it's confusing how kevinbenton mentioned feedback | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | unless it was a joke, that I struggle to distinguish that early | 14:59 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: i was thinking if we had some sessions done already | 14:59 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: we could provide some info for remote folks | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | it will be just a start, and only cross project | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | ah, I got it as a joke | 14:59 |
| amotoki | :) | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | so indeed next 28th I assume then | 14:59 |
| jlibosva | ok, we're out of time | 15:00 |
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| jlibosva | thanks for showing up :) | 15:00 |
| dasm | o/ | 15:00 |
| jlibosva | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 15:00:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-02-14-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-02-14-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-02-14-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| dasanind | Thanks | 15:00 |
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| sindhu | thanks | 15:00 |
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| ralonsoh | hello | 15:00 |
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| ralonsoh | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 15:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ralonsoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 15:01 |
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| davidsha | Hi | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | Happy Valentines day | 15:01 |
| davidsha | Stop you'll make me blush ~ | 15:01 |
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| ralonsoh | slaweq won't attend today | 15:01 |
| davidsha | kk | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | he will review the logs | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | ajo? | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | reedip? | 15:01 |
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| ralonsoh | let's wait one minute | 15:02 |
| davidsha | can we remove that last interaction? he doesn't need to see that.... | 15:02 |
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| davidsha | kk | 15:02 |
| ajo | hey sorry ralonsoh , I'm back | 15:02 |
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| ralonsoh | np | 15:03 |
| davidsha | Hi | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | let's start | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | #topic RFEs | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1657089 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657089 in neutron "[RFE]Add bandwidth_limit to vip" [Undecided,New] | 15:03 |
| ajo | I need to leave around half past the hour, but I'll be around 'till then | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | no problem | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, I'll take a look to this RFE | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | But I'll ask for more information | 15:04 |
| ajo | well | 15:04 |
| ajo | about that one | 15:04 |
| ajo | we need something that fits the current model | 15:04 |
| ajo | like assigning policies to routers, etc | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | that's right | 15:04 |
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| ralonsoh | we have tu bugs related | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | mybe | 15:04 |
| reedip_ | Hi | 15:04 |
| ajo | we could explore the posibilities of that | 15:05 |
| ajo | or assigning policies to vips | 15:05 |
| ajo | yes | 15:05 |
| ajo | there's a related bug right | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | one sec | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425218/ | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | And | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428304/ | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | If you can take a look at those ones | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | perfect | 15:06 |
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| * ajo looks | 15:06 | |
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| ralonsoh | maybe we can talk about this bug in etherpad | 15:07 |
| ajo | about the default one, | 15:07 |
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| ajo | makes sense, but I would like something that would allow administrators to stick policies to projects | 15:08 |
| ajo | not only projects to themselves, | 15:08 |
| ajo | but the admin | 15:08 |
| ajo | that makes a lot of sense for bandwidth allocation, etc | 15:09 |
| ajo | but that'd require another API rest call to create those kind of associations | 15:09 |
| ajo | the same thing would be useful for self-tenant assignment | 15:09 |
| ajo | for example | 15:09 |
| ajo | neutron qos-default-policy bandwidth-limit-10M | 15:09 |
| ajo | or, as admin | 15:09 |
| ajo | neutron qos-default-policy bandwidth-limit-10M --to-tenant <uuid_of_tenant>. (or project) | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 15:10 |
| ajo | the "default" flag is more limited | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | this will be another patch | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | I'll change the implementation | 15:10 |
| ajo | thanks for taking on this ralonsoh | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | np | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1634798 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1634798 in neutron "[RFE] Qos DSCP to vlan priority mapping" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 15:10 |
| ajo | I suspect slaweq would agree, knowing their use cases at OVH | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | yes, I think so | 15:11 |
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| ralonsoh | Do you think this rfe is feasible? | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha? | 15:12 |
| ajo | It's probably feasible, but I believe we have things with higher priority right now | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 15:12 |
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| ralonsoh | so let's keep it in the backlog | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Incomplete] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:12 |
| davidsha | I agress with ajo | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | reedip? | 15:12 |
| reedip_ | M driving, can we take.this later if possible? | 15:13 |
| davidsha | agree* | 15:13 |
| ajo | reedip any update on the questions of the etherpad? | 15:13 |
| ajo | ack | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1639220 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1639220 in neutron "[RFE] Introduce Network QoS policy "is_default" behaviour" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:13 |
| reedip_ | ajo: none afternthe last meeting, will look at it today | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | ok, that's mine | 15:13 |
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| ralonsoh | and we have already talk about this one | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | no more rfe's | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | I have a question | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | any other comment? | 15:14 |
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| ralonsoh | please | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | are we going to implement https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396297/ during Pike? | 15:14 |
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| ralonsoh | oh yes! I don't know why I didn't appear in the query... | 15:15 |
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| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1578989 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578989 in neutron "[RFE] Strict minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:15 |
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| ralonsoh | I made a POC: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401254/ | 15:16 |
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| ralonsoh | reading the BW | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | are we going to talk about this RFE in the PTG? | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | there are several parts involved | 15:17 |
| ajo | We have no oficial timeslot, but we can, of course make a small table :) | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | that will be perfect | 15:17 |
| ajo | yes :) | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | In the spec I volunteered to implement the placement api interaction pieces | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | so I want to make sure we are moving ahead with this because I want to honot my commitments | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | honor^^^ | 15:18 |
| ajo | ralonsoh reading the commit message: you don't need to count down the bandwidth | 15:18 |
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| ajo | that's handled by nova when doing allocations, etc. | 15:18 |
| ajo | it can be nice for informative reasons, I guess, but we don't need to use it | 15:19 |
| ajo | I mean, we don't need to update nova when there's more "min bw" used. Nova will be aware, and will have the bandwidth counted down | 15:19 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, buy I have some concerns about this | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | please, make an small review and I'll reply | 15:19 |
| ajo | ack | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | thanks! | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: will you assist to the PTG? | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: yeah I'll be there | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | perfect, so during the PTG we'll talk about this rfe | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | let's move to bugs | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Bugs | 15:21 |
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| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1663908 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663908 in neutron "Qos rules not cleaned by L2 agent" [Undecided,New] | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | I need to reproduce this bug to be sure | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | I can take this one | 15:22 |
| davidsha | You have a lot on your plate I can take it. | 15:22 |
| ralonsoh | perfect, we'll share the work load | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1662109 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1662109 in neutron "tempest scenario test_qos fails intermittently" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | ajo ? | 15:23 |
| ajo | Oh, we merged one patch regarding that | 15:23 |
| ajo | let me check what's the status | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | perfect! | 15:23 |
| ajo | oh, it didn't merge due to gate unstability | 15:24 |
| ralonsoh | ok, but the patch is there | 15:24 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1659312 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1659312 in neutron "Enforce QoS policies applied on router interfaces" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | I'll ping kevinbenton to review this one | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | he kindly ask me to open this one | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | and this one (related) | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1659265 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1659265 in neutron "Network level QoS policies should apply to network:router_gateway" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Maxime (maxime-guyot-p) | 15:26 |
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| ralonsoh | I you have time, reviews will be welcome | 15:26 |
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| ralonsoh | next one | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1657381 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657381 in neutron "QoS drivers need to implement a precommit for the actions" [Medium,Incomplete] | 15:26 |
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| ralonsoh | ajo ? | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | you stopped this patch | 15:27 |
| ajo | I was waiting on answer to my quetions | 15:27 |
| ajo | suddenly I realized that if we don't allow anyone to stop the transaction due to an error in the driver | 15:27 |
| ajo | it becomes pointless | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | yes, I see | 15:28 |
| ajo | because 1) drivers can't stop the transaction because they don't support a rule | 15:28 |
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| ajo | 2) if the backend had an issue it should be logged and retried later | 15:28 |
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| ajo | at worst, the normal action of the driver can be used to throw such excetion | 15:28 |
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| ajo | exception | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | as you said, it becomes pointless | 15:28 |
| ajo | so | 15:28 |
| ajo | I asked on patch for more details on the need of such precommit action | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | ok, so no action for now until feedback | 15:29 |
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| ralonsoh | next one | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649517 | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649517 in neutron "qos policy attached to network, qos_policy_id is reflecting on neutron net-show , but not on the port with neutron port-show" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:29 |
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| ralonsoh | I'll ping slaweq a bit latter about this bug | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | it seems to be stopped | 15:30 |
| ajo | I have to leave for now, thanks ralonsoh for driving the meeting, I'll read the logs later | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | no problem | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | see you later | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649503 | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649503 in neutron "Mechanism driver can't be notified with updated network" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | I'll ping Hong for feedback, beause seems to be stopped too | 15:31 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, no more bugs in the agenda | 15:32 |
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| ralonsoh | anyone has any other bug? | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Other Changes | 15:32 |
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| ralonsoh | nothing in the agenda | 15:33 |
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| ralonsoh | last topic | 15:33 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Open Discussion | 15:33 |
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| ralonsoh | next week PTG | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | I hope will have time enough to finish all open topics | 15:34 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha, mlavalle: anything else? | 15:35 |
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| davidsha | +1, I'd like to discuss the flow manager and neutron-classifier at it. | 15:35 |
| ralonsoh | yes, sure! | 15:35 |
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| ralonsoh | de you have a POC of the classifier? | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | with OVS | 15:36 |
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| davidsha | I'm working on writing a service plugin for neutron-classifier at the moment, I'm hoping to have something to show and get opinions on by next week. | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | that's perfect | 15:37 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, let's end the meeting | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | thank you all! | 15:37 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 15:38:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-02-14-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-02-14-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-02-14-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 16:01:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | hello everyone :) | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
| manjeets | hi | 16:01 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 16:01 |
| reedip_1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| dasm | o/ | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronCI Agenda | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | (or lack of it, I need to write up some stub topics) | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | let's start with action items from the previous meeting | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:02 | |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to follow up with armax on periodic functional job not showing up in grafana" | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | so indeed the periodic functional does not show up in http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=7&fullscreen | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | BUT | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | we can see runs in http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-neutron-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial/ | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | and armax suggested that it does not show up because of a glitch in grafana that makes it impossible to draw a trend while results are identical | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | so we believe that till it fails, it won't be in the grafana | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | it's also on openstack-health http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/job/periodic-neutron-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | that's actually interesting that it hasn't failed in 15 runs | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: oh thanks for the link! | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | we saw failure rate in check queue at 30% to 40% before, so even though today it's 10%, the chance of not hitting it once in 15 runs in the past is quite low | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | so either we are lucky, or there is some other thing in play (maybe we allocate different VMs for periodic?) | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | so far, we are going to monitor, and maybe in a week we will have a failure; if not, we will look closer at job definitions. | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | ok next action was: "ihrachys to look at e-r bot for openstack-neutron channel" | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | that's actually something to decide first if we even want it | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I noticed some other projects like nova or glance have a irc bot that reports into their channels on captured classified failures | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I was thinking, it may help to give us some better understanding of what hits our gates | 16:08 |
| kevinbenton | i vote +1 for that | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | so far I proposed a patch that enables the bot at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433735/ | 16:08 |
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| jlibosva | +1 from me too. If it will become annoying or un-useful, we can disable it anytime | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | I guess we can enable it and see how it goes; if it spams too much, we tweak or disable it later | 16:08 |
| manjeets | +1 | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | ok and I see mtreinish comment that it's wrong place to do it; I will update the right one after the meeting | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | as long as we agree on the direction, which I believe we do :) | 16:09 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: how does it look on channel? irc bot shows url? do you have example of that? | 16:09 |
| dasm | i'm ok with enabling it, just asking to know what'll be changed | 16:10 |
| kevinbenton | every 2 seconds it will report if we have any failures :) | 16:11 |
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| dasm | kevinbenton: ++ :) | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | like in http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-qa/%23openstack-qa.2017-01-16.log.html#t2017-01-16T03:12:54 | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | though if it knows the error, it will report the bug and all | 16:12 |
| dasm | ihrachys: ack | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | ok, that's an example of bug recognized: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-qa/%23openstack-qa.2017-01-08.log.html#t2017-01-08T00:13:53 | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | I guess we won't know if it's useful until we try | 16:13 |
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| manjeets | i have a question what if patch is culprit over the failure of job will it still report ? | 16:13 |
| dasm | ihrachys: btw "recognized bugs". if i recall correctly, we have to manually categorize recognized bugs. is it true? | 16:13 |
| manjeets | or there is a way to filter out | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: it probably reports on gate jobs only | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | that would be my expectation | 16:13 |
| dasm | i think, electrocucaracha did something like that for couple bugs | 16:13 |
| mtreinish | ihrachys: do you want to have it report uncategorized failures too? Your patch didn't have that | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | mtreinish: yeah, could be; I haven't spent much time thinking on it yet, just sent a strawman to have it for discussion | 16:14 |
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| ihrachys | mtreinish: while we have you here, could you confirm it monitors gate queue only? | 16:14 |
| mtreinish | the irc reporting? | 16:15 |
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| ihrachys | yea | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | otherwise it would spam with irrelevant messages | 16:15 |
| mtreinish | yeah it doesn't report to irc for check iirc | 16:15 |
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| mtreinish | but it's been a while since I looked at the code/config | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | that makes sense | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | mtreinish: is the bot useful for qa team? | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | do you find it helps, or just spams with low actual profit? | 16:17 |
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| mtreinish | so in the past it was quite useful, especially when we first started e-r | 16:17 |
| mtreinish | but nowadays I don't think many people pay attention to it | 16:18 |
| mtreinish | if you've got people who are willing to stay on top of it I think it'll be useful | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | aye; we were looking for ways to direct attention to elastic-recheck tooling lately, and I am hopeful it will give proper signals | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | ok next action item was: "manjeets to produce a gerrit dashboard for gate and functional failures" | 16:19 |
| manjeets | https://github.com/manjeetbhatia/neutron_stuff/blob/master/create_gate_failure_dash.py | 16:19 |
| manjeets | this can be used to create fresh one all the time | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: do you have link to the resulting dashboard handy? | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | use url shortener please | 16:19 |
| manjeets | https://github.com/manjeetbhatia/neutron_stuff/blob/master/README.md | 16:20 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, ok yes there is only one patch from 14 tickets in progress atm | 16:20 |
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| manjeets | which it captured | 16:20 |
| jlibosva | manjeets++ | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | is it because the dashboard doesn't capture some, or that's indeed all we have? | 16:21 |
| jlibosva | good stuff | 16:21 |
| kevinbenton | mtreinish: can we alter the bot to direct messages at whoever is currently talking in the channel? :) | 16:21 |
| manjeets | I manually checked some of them are abandoned | 16:21 |
| manjeets | only one patch is open ihrachys | 16:21 |
| mtreinish | kevinbenton: heh, it wouldn't be that hard. All the info is there to add that "feature" :) | 16:22 |
| reedip_1 | manjeets +1 | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: haha. we should also make it customize the message depending on the rate of failure reports. sometimes it asks politely, sometimes 'everyone just shut up and fix the damned gate' | 16:22 |
| dasm | kevinbenton: are you planning to silence irc channel? :) | 16:22 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: thanks a lot for the work. do you plan to contribute the script to some official repo? like we did for milestone target dashboard. | 16:23 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, some stuff is hardcoded I'll send this script to neutron/tools once i fix those | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | aye. we then can hook it into infra so that it shows up at http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | #action manjeets to polish the dashboard script and propose it for neutron/tools/ | 16:25 |
| manjeets | yes we can do that | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | ok next item is "jlibosva to follow up on scenario failures" | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: your stage. how does scenario job feel today? | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | unfortunately no fixes were merged | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | we have one for qos that's been failing a lot | 16:26 |
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| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430309/ - it's already approved but failing on gate | 16:26 |
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| jlibosva | another patch is to increase debugability - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427312/ - there is a sporadic failure where tempest is unable to ssh to the instance | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | I suspect that that's due to slow hypervisors, I compared locally boottime of my machine and the one on gate and gate is ~14x slower | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | given that it runs with ubuntu that starts a lot of services, our tempest conf might just have insufficient timeout | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | but it's hard to tell without getting instance boot console output | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | yeah, overall I noticed job timeouts in gate lately, but we will cover it a bit later | 16:29 |
| jlibosva | I think those are two major issues, I haven't seen anything else | 16:29 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: yeah, that made me just think that maybe some infra changed. But that's for a separate discussion | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: generally speaking, what's the strategy for scenario job assuming we solve the remaining stability issues? do we have a plan to make it vote? | 16:29 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: no formal plan but I'd like to make it voting once it reaches some reasonable failure rate | 16:29 |
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| mlavalle | jlibosva: what's reasonable? | 16:30 |
| jlibosva | we'll see after we get those two patches in and eventually increase timeout (which are already 2 times higher than with cirros IIRC) | 16:30 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: optimistic guess - 10-15% | 16:30 |
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| clarkb | jlibosva: qemu is slow yes | 16:31 |
| clarkb | thats normal and expected | 16:31 |
| clarkb | (and why cirros is used most places) | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | currently we have BUILD_TIMEOUT=392 for Ubuntu | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: if we have mutiple tests running in parallel starting instances on low memory machines, then maybe reduce number of test workers? that should give better per-test timing? | 16:32 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: that's a good idea. Given that amount of tests is very low. I'll try to send a patch for that | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to try reducing parallelization for scenario tests | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | at least to get some additional info whether that helps | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | we gotta have a plan to make it vote, otherwise it will be another fullstack job that we break once in a while | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | it also makes sense to plan for what we do with two flavors of the job we have - ovs and linuxbridge; but that's probably a discussion for another venue. ptg? | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | ok, last action item was "ihrachys to read about how swappiness is supposed to work, and why it doesn't in gate" | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | I haven't found much; the only thing I noticed is that we use =30 in devstack while default is claimed to be 60 by several sources. my understanding is that we set it to =10 before just because some kernels were completely disabling it (=0) | 16:36 |
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| ihrachys | that being said, the previous attempt to raise from =10 to =30 didn't help too much, we still hit oom-killer with swap free | 16:36 |
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| ihrachys | so another thing that came to my mind is that a process (mysqld, qemu?) could block memory from swapping (there is a syscall for that) | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | and afaik we lack info on those memory segments in current logs collected | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | so I am going to look at how we could dump that | 16:37 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: do you maybe have any links about swappiness to share? | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to look at getting more info from kernel about ram-locked memory segments | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | dasm: there are some you can find by mere googling. afaik there is no official doc, just blog posts and stackoverflow and such | 16:38 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: ack | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | ok and we are done with action items, woohoo | 16:39 |
| clarkb | ihrachys: yes mlock and friends. Also apparently kernel allocations aren't swappable | 16:39 |
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| ihrachys | now, let's discuss current gate issues as we know them | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Gate issues | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://goo.gl/8vigPl Open bugs | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | the bug that was the most affecting in the past is at the top of the list | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627106 ovsdb native timeouts | 16:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627106 in neutron "TimeoutException while executing tests adding bridge using OVSDB native" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: kevinbenton: what's the latest status there? I see the patch was in gate but now bumped off? | 16:42 |
| jlibosva | otherwiseguy has a related patch for it pushed recently | 16:42 |
| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429095/ | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | yeah that's the patch I meant | 16:43 |
| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, It looked like another patch started using a function that I hadn't updated because we didn't use it. | 16:43 |
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| otherwiseguy | New update modifies that function to get rid of the verify() call where we can. Can't remove it when calling "add" on a map column, but don't think we do that. | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: ok, other than that, do we have stability issues with that? I think that's what resulted in bumping off the gate in the past. | 16:44 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, I can only say "we'll see". Does "Bumped off the gate mean setting it WIP" or does it require something else? | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | well I don't think it's necessarily WIP, but I assume armax wanted to collect more stats on its success. | 16:45 |
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| otherwiseguy | Because I set it WIP to add the change I just mentioned. | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | afaik the bump was triggered by general gate instability, so we don't really know if it's because of this patch | 16:45 |
| otherwiseguy | Not necessarily because of any stability. | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: ok, I guess then we just wait for the new version, recheck a bunch of times again, and see if we can get it in | 16:46 |
| otherwiseguy | issues | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: thanks for working on it | 16:46 |
| otherwiseguy | But if things magically got better after removing it from the gate, then that would scare me a bit. | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: no, it's not that, it's just armax was not sure if it helps if we need to recheck so much | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | to pass it in | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | I believe it's just a matter of caution, we don't want to introduce another vector of instability | 16:48 |
| otherwiseguy | We didn't need to recheck it so much, I was just rechecking a bunch to see if there were any timeout errors. | 16:48 |
| otherwiseguy | There were failures occasionally, but none I could definitely match to the patch. | 16:48 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's move on. another issue that affects our gates lately is tempest job timeouts due to slow machine run. | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | that one is a bit tricky, and doesn't really seem neutron specific | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | I started discussion at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111923.html | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | but tl;dr is it seems sometimes machines we run tests on are very slow | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | like 2-3 times slower than usual | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | which makes zuul abrupt runs in the middle | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | after 2h | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | so there is a bit of discussion inside the thread, you may want to have a look | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | I don't think at this point we know the next steps to take on that one | 16:50 |
| mlavalle | do you mean zuul abruptly ends the runs? | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | it's also of concern that timeouts were not happening as often before | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle: well it's devstack itself I believe, it sets some timeout traps and kill tempest | 16:51 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I see that quite often in patchses I review. Just making sure we were talking about the same thing :-) | 16:52 |
| dasm | are we still seeing timeouts? i've seen infra info about storage problems (which i believe should be fixed already). | 16:52 |
| dasm | maybe both are unrelated | 16:52 |
| clarkb | dasm: that should be unrelated | 16:52 |
| dasm | clarkb: ack | 16:52 |
| clarkb | dasm: storage problems affected centos7 package installs as we had a bad centos7 mirror index | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | I was thinking that timeouts are happening lately, and we touched swappiness lately too [also number of rpc workers but armax claims it could affect test times], so I was thinking, maybe we somehow pushed the failing jobs to the edge some more so as to trigger timeouts on slower machines. | 16:52 |
| clarkb | (but that should fail fast) | 16:52 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: are you suggesting reverting swappiness and verifying timeouts? | 16:53 |
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| dasm | s/verifying/checking | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | I don't suggest touching anything just yet, I am just thinking aloud of what could make those timeouts triggered | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | note it can be as well external to openstack, but we can't help that, so it's better to focus for what we can do | 16:54 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: also note that it's not like all jobs timeout; most of them pass successfully, and in time that is a lot lower than 2h | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | good runs are usually ~1h 10-20 mins | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | sometimes even less than an hour | 16:55 |
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| ihrachys | so I suspect machines in different clouds are not uniform | 16:55 |
| dasm | hmm.. maybe correlation between infrastructure? we should probably look at this | 16:56 |
| dasm | i can try to verify if it's somehow related and if we're seeing timeouts just for specific clouds | 16:56 |
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| ihrachys | it may be just that for those slow machines we have, we may have gotten the time pushed a bit beyond the limit | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | of note, there does not seem to be correlation with cloud used, or project. | 16:56 |
| dasm | hmm | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | I am gonna dump cpu flags in devstack to see if there is a difference between what's available for the machines | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to dump cpu flags in devstack gate | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | apart from that, I am out of ideas on next steps; if someone has, please speak up in the email thread. | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | oh 2 mins left; and before we complete the meeting, I want to mention several patches we landed lately. | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | one is removing requests dependency that somewhat reduces memory usage for l3 agent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432367/ | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | then we also enabled dstat service in functional gate: https://review.openstack.org/427358 so now next time we spot a timeout in ovsdb native we can check the load of the system at that point. | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | I don't expect it to give a definite answer, but who knows, at least there is chance | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | there is also a patch up for review to fix cleanup for floating ips in some api tests: https://review.openstack.org/432713 | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | I have a patch for fullstack - | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | ok we are at the top of the hour | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | I wanted to raise here | 17:00 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: shoot quick | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433157/ | 17:00 |
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| jlibosva | didn't report a bug as I was hitting it locally | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | ack. let's follow up in the project channel | 17:01 |
| jlibosva | and was lazy to search logstash :) but I can do that if it's eneded | 17:01 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 17:01 |
| jlibosva | thanks! | 17:01 |
| dasm | o/ | 17:01 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| manjeets | thanks | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 17:01:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-02-14-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-02-14-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-02-14-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 17:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 17:01 |
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| igordcard | hi davidsha, all | 17:01 |
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| davidsha | Hi | 17:02 |
| igordcard | let's go straight into the agenda | 17:02 |
| igordcard | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonFlowClassifier#Discussion_Topic_14_February_2017 | 17:02 |
| igordcard | #topic Approach A - PoC status | 17:02 |
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| igordcard | davidsha you've been working on an initial PoC for the ccf | 17:03 |
| igordcard | davidsha: what's the status? | 17:03 |
| davidsha | Ya, at the moment I've the service plugin working and I'm working on the resources and database models, | 17:04 |
| igordcard | davidsha: is the service plugin exposing an API? | 17:05 |
| davidsha | I've defined a resource for ipv4, ipv6, ethernet, tcp, udp and neutron ports/subnets and networks | 17:05 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: yes, to the previously mentioned resources | 17:05 |
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| davidsha | At the moment I'm only testing on ipv4 though. | 17:05 |
| igordcard | great, those are a nice set of classification types to start with | 17:05 |
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| igordcard | for the neutron resources, is that a single type or three different types? | 17:06 |
| davidsha | A single type | 17:06 |
| davidsha | but you can specify source and destination too | 17:06 |
| igordcard | cool | 17:07 |
| igordcard | are you publishing the "initial commit" before the ptg? | 17:07 |
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| davidsha | I'm hoping to | 17:08 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: alright | 17:08 |
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| davidsha | I should for just IPV4, It would need more time for the classification groupings and other classifications that had been discussed. | 17:09 |
| igordcard | are you looking at any neutron project to demo the consumption of classification resources from the ccf? | 17:09 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: sounds good.. I would say a subset of IPv4 attributes is enough for this first PoC | 17:10 |
| davidsha | Yes, I was looking to try and use QoS dscp | 17:10 |
| davidsha | kk | 17:10 |
| igordcard | great | 17:11 |
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| igordcard | I will work on the spec this week | 17:11 |
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| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/10/specs/ocata/common-classifier.rst | 17:11 |
| davidsha | ack | 17:11 |
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| igordcard | planning to trim it and stick to approach A (the one used in the PoC we are discussing) | 17:12 |
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| davidsha | +1 | 17:12 |
| igordcard | will also add your name to the assignees list | 17:12 |
| davidsha | :D | 17:13 |
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| igordcard | and looking forward to exchange some information after the new patchset, to further align the spec with the PoC's technical details | 17:13 |
| davidsha | +1, I'd have liked to break it into smaller patches but it all makes the service plugin. | 17:14 |
| igordcard | I should continue to stay very busy with the sfc encapsulation work, but will find time to update and align the spec | 17:14 |
| davidsha | each patch would not provide anything without the others. | 17:15 |
| davidsha | ack | 17:15 |
| igordcard | davidsha: could you maybe split the db resources and methods from the plugin's methods (just replace them with stubs at the most)? | 17:15 |
| davidsha | igordcard: True, the database migrations don't necessarily have to be in the service plugin patch. | 17:16 |
| igordcard | anyway, it's not like having smaller patches will make it easier to debug a regression or something like that | 17:16 |
| davidsha | true | 17:17 |
| igordcard | as this is a whole new thing | 17:17 |
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| igordcard | alright, this is all about the PoC for now | 17:18 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 17:18 |
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| igordcard | #topic PTG information | 17:18 |
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| igordcard | myself, you, and sean-k-mooney are going to the PTG | 17:19 |
| davidsha | yup | 17:19 |
| igordcard | we all have context about the CCF and area hoping to give the community more information and discuss at the PTG | 17:19 |
| igordcard | and are * | 17:19 |
| igordcard | I've added the topic to the etherpad | 17:20 |
| igordcard | #topic https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 17:20 |
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| davidsha | kk | 17:20 |
| igordcard | oops | 17:20 |
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| davidsha | there is an undo action ;P | 17:20 |
| igordcard | davidsha: yeah but I wonder if it's in general about the previous line.. or the previous topic | 17:21 |
| igordcard | let's try | 17:21 |
| igordcard | #undo | 17:21 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 17:21 |
| igordcard | oh cool | 17:21 |
| davidsha | Lol | 17:21 |
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| davidsha | It's the last action the bot took. | 17:22 |
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| igordcard | I'm looking at the live log but it's not being very helpful | 17:22 |
| igordcard | anyway, back to the point | 17:22 |
| igordcard | I've added the CCF topic to the neutron pike ptg etherpad | 17:23 |
| igordcard | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 17:23 |
| igordcard | when the PoC is published I'll add the link to it too (to the etherpad ccf bullet) | 17:23 |
| davidsha | kk | 17:23 |
| igordcard | anything else about the PTG? | 17:24 |
| davidsha | No, I'm good. | 17:24 |
| igordcard | alright, moving on... | 17:24 |
| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 17:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 17:24 | |
| igordcard | anything else we need to discuss? | 17:24 |
| igordcard | I'm good too | 17:26 |
| igordcard | alright davidsha, have a nice evening | 17:26 |
| davidsha | igordcard: you too. | 17:26 |
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| igordcard | #endmeeting | 17:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 17:26:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-02-14-17.01.html | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-02-14-17.01.txt | 17:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-02-14-17.01.log.html | 17:26 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 18:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping agrebennikov, amakarov, annakoppad, antwash, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, chrisplo, crinkle, davechen, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, edtubill, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, jamielennox, jaugustine, jgrassler, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, kbaikov, ktychkova, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, portdirect raildo, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, SamYaple, shaleh, spilla, srwilkers, | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | StefanPaetowJisc, stevemar, topol | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| browne | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | bknudson o/ | 18:00 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:00 |
| raildo | o/ | 18:00 |
| jaugustine | o/ | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | we have a pretty light agenda today, so we'll give it a minute or two for others to show up | 18:02 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:02 |
| * stevemar grabs popcorn | 18:02 | |
| lbragstad | stevemar aren't you suppose to be on vacation? | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | stevemar or sleeping? | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: management said no to my sleeping request | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | stevemar sounds like you need to talk to HR ;) | 18:03 |
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| knikolla | stevemar: should have phrased it as "productive thinking with my eyes closed" | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | knikolla i do that *all* the time | 18:04 |
| dstanek | "i demand mid-day naps" | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #topic Meeting time | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting time (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:04 | |
| lbragstad | alright - does this time still work for everyone? | 18:04 |
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| gagehugo | yup | 18:05 |
| stevemar | works for me | 18:05 |
| dstanek | yep | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | I don't think we've ever changed the time of this meeting since I've been on the project, but wanted to ask since i know we have new folks | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | I'm good with it | 18:05 |
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| bknudson | works for me | 18:05 |
| knikolla | works for me | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | this is the response I was planning for :) | 18:05 |
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| cmurphy | if the meeting time didn't work for someone wouldn't it be unlikely they'd be here to mention that? | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy more than likely - yes | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | +1 for confirmation bias | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy would a mailing list post be more appropriate? | 18:06 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad that would probably be a good idea | 18:07 |
| ayoung | heyo | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to send a note to the mailing list to see if meeting time still works for everyone (even those not in the meeting) | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | #topic Cross project liaisons | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross project liaisons (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:08 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 18:08 |
| dstanek | i'd like to give up my QA spot to let someone else get in there - maybe a non-core would be interested? | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | if anyone else would like to sit out a release, now is the time to shuffle those seats | 18:08 |
| knikolla | dstanek: there's a requirement to be core i think | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | knikolla nope - | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | "The liaison should be active in the project and familiar with the project-specific requirements for having patches accepted, but does not need to be a core reviewer or the PTL." | 18:09 |
| topol | o/ | 18:09 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: ++ | 18:09 |
| dstanek | plus it helps people get more involved that may want to be core | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | so if anyone here wants to be a CPL, please speak up :) | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | dstanek ++ exactly | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | being a CPL is a great way to get more involved, especially with other projects | 18:10 |
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| knikolla | The liaison should be a core reviewer for the project, but does not need to be the PTL. The liaison should be prepared to assist with writing and reviewing patches that interact with their project, and with discussions of changes to the QA projects to make them easier to use within the project. | 18:10 |
| knikolla | from the wiki ^^ | 18:10 |
| knikolla | the QA section of CPL | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | hmm - it'd take *should* with a grain of salt | 18:11 |
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| topol | sounds like PTL discretion to me :-) | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | I'd personally rather have a contributor that is willing to spend time on the responsibilities of the CPL versus a core reviewer who is already spread to thin and can't dedicate the time | 18:11 |
| dstanek | i don't know why they'd have separate rules | 18:11 |
| dstanek | if someone wants to step up i'm sure they have the backing of the PTL and several cores | 18:12 |
| topol | lbragstad +++ | 18:12 |
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| lbragstad | knikolla would you be interested taking over the QA CPL role from dstanek ? | 18:12 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: i'd be interested, though i can't give a definitive answer now | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | knikolla that's fine | 18:13 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, let me volunteer you for that | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | knikolla I'll follow up with the maintainers of that page and see if that's a hard requirement (even though it doesn't sound like it is) | 18:13 |
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| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to follow up about requirement of core for CPL roles | 18:14 |
| topol | typicaly when something says should its not set in stone and discretion is allowed | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | anyone else interested in stepping up for down for a CPL role? | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | topol ++ | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | topol I would imagine it's ultimately up to the project | 18:14 |
| topol | I agree | 18:14 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, rodrigods is full time QA. He'd be the obvious choice for the QA liason | 18:15 |
| knikolla | ayoung: ++ | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods thoughts? | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | rodrigods do you accept this voluntrolling? | 18:15 |
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| ayoung | silence == consent | 18:15 |
| knikolla | lol | 18:15 |
| raildo | haha ++ for rodrigods | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | I won't push anyone into it just yet, but I will make a note to follow up with folks so that we can keep the position filled | 18:16 |
| ayoung | lets get a confirmation from him later... | 18:16 |
| knikolla | agreed | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | moving on | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | #topic Pike PTG Planning and Agenda | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike PTG Planning and Agenda (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:16 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-pike-ptg | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | rough outline of our agenda is at the bottom, along with some basic information about the format | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | I'm working on the schedule now - so if anyone notices a conflict somewhere, please let me know as soon as possible | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | also - if anyone has a last minute topic, let me know | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | I think we are just going to have a single room for 3 days | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | (wednesday through friday) | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | it will be available from 9 - 5 (6 if we need it) | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | I am going to try and fit the time blocks to the topic, so that we don't feel cramped for time if we have a large topic to work through | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | like-wise for smaller topics | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | my plan is to have this fleshed out by thursday | 18:19 |
| bknudson | lots to go through in 3 days | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | bknudson yes, thereis | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | if there is anything major that we need to work around, scheduling-wise, I'll need to know within the next day or two | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | by friday i expect to have a pretty solid schedule laid out | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: nice single room is good | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | (along with etherpads for dedicated topics - complete with background information) | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | if we need to meet up with any other projects wednesday through friday - we will have to start scheduling that | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | a lot of other projects are working through their schedules now, too | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | last bits about the PTG sessions | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | I'd like to see if we can stick to the Champion/Moderator/Scribe model throughout the PTG | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | I put definitions for each of those roles in the etherpad (in the agenda section) | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: cool, we will have a meeting for policy , correct ? | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | you hav emore info on that ? | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq we do - and it will be coordinated with the nova + cinder teams | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | I have that blocked off for thursday afternoon | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | after lunch | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | for now - that's really the only topic we have set with any sort of precedence, since we rely on schedules from other projects | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | (nova is going to be meeting with cinder thursday morning and ironic on wednesday afternoon) | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | cool | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | does everyone know what times they plan on getting in and leaving? | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | I'll be there Wednesday morning and staying until late friday night | 18:26 |
| gagehugo | tue afternoon - friday night | 18:26 |
| rderose | yeah, Tues 4 PM, leaving Fri night | 18:26 |
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| lbragstad | we typically have a lot of folks heading home on friday afternoon - so I have the hackathon tentatively set for that day | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | sun-sat | 18:26 |
| topol | Im Sunday thru Friday. Got Interop stuff Monday-Tuesday | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | if we need more room for topics, we can bump into the hackathon time | 18:27 |
| knikolla | Tues 8pm, Sat morning | 18:27 |
| dstanek | sometime on tuesday and sometime on friday -- my departures are a little variable though | 18:27 |
| knikolla | will miss happy hour :( | 18:27 |
| bknudson | I'm also there Sun - Fri since oslo is mon-tue | 18:27 |
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| lbragstad | cool | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | I expect for things to come up throughout the week - so if find potential hackathon ideas we can add them later | 18:28 |
| * topol trying to remember all my favorite restaurants. I lived in ATL 9 years | 18:29 | |
| lbragstad | otherwise we can keep that as a breakout session, too | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | topol oh - i'm one step ahead of you :) | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | topol feel free to amend my list on line 132 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-pike-ptg | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | those ^ were a few places we went to the last time we had a summit in ATL | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | I threw them there in case we needed ideas for supper any of those nights | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ nice | 18:30 |
| topol | Ahhh, let me expand your horizons with some real local favorites | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | topol ++ | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | hehehe | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | topol: ++ | 18:31 |
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| lbragstad | alright - anyone else have questions about the PTG? | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | #topic Open discussion | 18:32 |
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| bknudson | waffle house | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | bknudson -2 | 18:32 |
| browne | haha | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | I went there last time | 18:32 |
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| * jaugustine waiting intensely waiting for gmaps link to Panchos | 18:34 | |
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| gagehugo | Monster Margarita huh | 18:35 |
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| samueldmq | gagehugo: is that a huge margerita pizza ? | 18:38 |
| gagehugo | samueldmq I have no idea, but it sounds interesting | 18:39 |
| gagehugo | I assume it's just a very big margerita | 18:40 |
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| samueldmq | + | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | ++ | 18:40 |
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| lbragstad | i think my client dropped, did the meeting actually end? | 18:45 |
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| clarkb | looks like still open discussion | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming and a reminder that next week we probably won't have a meeting due to travel | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | thanks clarkb | 18:46 |
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| lbragstad | (not sure what happened there) | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 18:46:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-02-14-18.00.html | 18:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-02-14-18.00.txt | 18:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-02-14-18.00.log.html | 18:46 |
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| lbragstad | there we go - I actually attempted to end the meeting 10 minutes ago, but my connection blipped | 18:47 |
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| fungi | infra team, culminate! | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have topics proposed by jeblair, fungi and ianw | 19:00 |
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| bkero | o/ | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | yay! i wonder what my topic is | 19:00 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:00 |
| olaph | yo | 19:00 |
| fungi | jeblair: i carried over your topic from last week in case you had more followup | 19:01 |
| jeblair | i hope it's a good one | 19:01 |
| fungi | you can make it as brief as you like ;) | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i did that in the zuul meeting too! totally on purpose! :) | 19:01 |
| jeblair | but yeah, a couple mins would be good | 19:01 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | hi | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 19:03:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:04 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | #info Final version of the foundation's logo work for the Infra team is now available | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-February/005151.html Foundation mascot and logo treatments for Infra team (final version) | 19:04 |
| fungi | clarkb also mentioned to me that if you're going to do something with those, avoid the jpegs. the png versions are devoid of terrible jpeg artifacting | 19:04 |
| fungi | (and there are also vector versions as well) | 19:05 |
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| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-07-19.04.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:05 |
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| fungi | Shrews propose a change adding yourself to modules/openstack_project/manifests/users*.pp in system-config | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/430421 Add David Shrewsbury to users/infra-root | 19:05 |
| fungi | that's been approved! | 19:05 |
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| fungi | Shrews is not in here though | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:06 |
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| fungi | we don't seem to have anything new up this week | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:06 |
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| fungi | nothing called out specifically here, though there are some zuul/nodepool topics coming up later in the meeting | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Zuul related PTG prep (jeblair) | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-February/005131.html Zuul info for PTG | 19:07 |
| * Shrews throws a delayed wave o/ | 19:07 | |
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| fungi | that's an awfully good thread (though i'll admit i haven't finished digesting it yet) | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | if folks could read that before arriving at the ptg, that would be great | 19:07 |
| jeblair | we will at least have a common vocabulary to discuss things :) | 19:08 |
| jeblair | we have also been working on the list here | 19:08 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-ptg-zuul | 19:08 |
| fungi | just to reiterate, as zuul v3 and its related effects are probably the largest undertaking we've worked on as a team in recent years, expect it to be the primary source of activities for us at the ptg | 19:09 |
| Shrews | gosh. i hope it works then :) | 19:09 |
| jeblair | we're making good progress on that so i think we'll be able to accomplish something. :) | 19:09 |
| fungi | we will make time/space for collaboration on other things, but zuul/nodepool work will likely demand the main room a lot of the time | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i think that about covers it | 19:11 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair, looking forward to it! | 19:11 |
| fungi | #topic Devstack trusty & nodepool (ianw) | 19:11 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/433218 Remove distro support based on new libvirt minimum | 19:11 |
| BobH | is there a rough schedule on how much time we'll spend together each day? For those of us that may things going on in the evenings. | 19:11 |
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| ianw | just to sync up on this, mostly for dib purposes ... | 19:11 |
| fungi | BobH: we've got a general ptg planning topic coming up later in the meeting too, we can get into it there | 19:11 |
| ianw | so all our nodepool dsvm testing is xenial right? even though the builders are actually trusty? | 19:11 |
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| pabelanger | that sounds right | 19:12 |
| ianw | i presume that as we bring zuulv3 online, we'll be using xenial underneath? | 19:12 |
| fungi | ianw: i think that's pretty temporary. we all agreed, i think, that we want to rebuild them on xenial shortly | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | yes the risk was also thought to be minimal since for non dib things its all python and rest apis | 19:13 |
| fungi | i expect that it'll be xenial (or at least not trusty) by the time we go into production | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | *all python 2.7 | 19:13 |
| jeblair | we could probably start replacing the nb hosts now if we wanted? | 19:14 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:14 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yup and we could add them then delete old ones | 19:14 |
| ianw | that might not be a bad idea to shake out issues early | 19:14 |
| fungi | yeah, i think we had briefly discussed deploying them initially on xenial but opted to do trusty first and then rolling replace with xenial soon after | 19:14 |
| jeblair | maybe we could start that after the ptg.... | 19:14 |
| ianw | and i could reduce trusty testing on dib too | 19:14 |
| fungi | shortly post-ptg wfm | 19:15 |
| Shrews | after the PTG sounds sane | 19:15 |
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| ianw | ok, i'll be happy to help out with that | 19:15 |
| fungi | #agreed Soon after the PTG we should start replacing the 14.04-based nodepool builder instances with 16.04 | 19:15 |
| ianw | that was all, just wanted to sync up on the deprecation, thanks | 19:16 |
| fungi | thanks ianw! good to point out the implications of libvirt minimums there | 19:16 |
| fungi | one (less savory) option would also be to test nodepool against stable/ocata until we can switch to master nova's expectations | 19:17 |
| fungi | but i doubt it will come to that | 19:17 |
| clarkb | fungi: we test on xenail though | 19:17 |
| clarkb | so we meet nova's expectations | 19:17 |
| fungi | oh, fair enough | 19:17 |
| clarkb | (this was part of the argument for running on xenial, it would be harder to keep all that stuff working then a simpleish python2.7 process) | 19:17 |
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| fungi | i meant if we wanted to test accurately for production, but yeah | 19:18 |
| ianw | yeah, we are on xenial. we still run dib functional tests on trusty | 19:18 |
| clarkb | then we would over time get there on the daemon side | 19:18 |
| fungi | yep, seems fine to me | 19:18 |
| jeblair | to be fair, we don't actually care that nodepool works with nova master, we care that it works with clouds we use. devstack/nova master is a proxy for that. :) | 19:18 |
| fungi | (and possibly a poor one, but at least an optimistic assumption!) | 19:19 |
| clarkb | indeed | 19:19 |
| jeblair | but yeah, the only sane thing for us to do i think is to continue testing master, so i'm glad we're doing that. | 19:19 |
| fungi | anything else here before we forge on in the agenda? | 19:20 |
| ianw | nope | 19:20 |
| fungi | #topic Redirect developer and docs from HTTP to HTTPS (fungi) | 19:20 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/432334 Redirect developer and docs from HTTP to HTTPS | 19:20 |
| fungi | just a quick note that the docs team reached consensus on only serving via https going forward and redirecting all http to https | 19:21 |
| bkero | Yay | 19:21 |
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| fungi | that change has a couple of +2s so i'm planning to approve it shortly following the meeting unless there are any objections | 19:21 |
| ianw | cool, that seemed fine, but i figured we should merge it when people were around | 19:21 |
| clarkb | woo | 19:21 |
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| fungi | i'll be around a good chunk of the evening, but wanted to make sure everyone in subsequent timezones was also aware (and knew what to revert if needed) | 19:22 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:22 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:22 |
| fungi | any questions/concerns on this before we move on? | 19:22 |
| jeblair | i like the speed and efficiency with which consensus was reached. :) | 19:23 |
| fungi | yes, AJaeger is good at squeezing answers out of people ;) | 19:23 |
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| fungi | #topic Release bindep 2.2.0 (fungi) | 19:24 |
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| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/bindep/log/ Recent bindep commits | 19:24 |
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| fungi | we've had a number of requests to get a new bindep in circulation, particularly for the rhel support change | 19:25 |
| fungi | there is one outstanding change for bindep with no negative reviews we could wedge into this before tagging too, if anyone's interested in looking over it | 19:25 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/428394 Extract file finding and processing to functions | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I know ihrachys said https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381979/ was important and asked for reviews on the mailing list, so I reviewed and it hasn't gotten a response | 19:26 |
| fungi | yeah, i was waiting for him to resurrect that one before looking at it again | 19:27 |
| fungi | so am not expecting it to make this release | 19:27 |
| fungi | from the already merged changes since 2.1.0 i think this needs to be 2.2.0 (new features, but no backward-incompatibilities) | 19:27 |
| fungi | anyone disagree? | 19:27 |
| clarkb | nope | 19:28 |
| fungi | is this too risky at this point in the release cycle? (it's not in global requirements and isn't a dependency of anything, but does get used in lots of jobs) | 19:28 |
| fungi | i feel like our existing functional testing is pretty thorough at least | 19:28 |
| fungi | along with significant unit test coverage | 19:29 |
| clarkb | thats a good point, because it isn't constraints managed it isn't super simple to avoid a broken release | 19:29 |
| fungi | ttx: as release ptl now, you might have some input there | 19:29 |
| clarkb | but it probably isn't too hard to modify our bindep job macro to install previous version if necessary | 19:29 |
| fungi | yeah, i do think we have some easy and quick ways to solve any unintended breakage, including just quickly patching and tagging another release (because of no requirements sync baggage), or rolling back nodepool images | 19:30 |
| pabelanger | any downside to adding it to constraints? | 19:30 |
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| fungi | what would be the up-side? it's not a dependency of anything | 19:31 |
| fungi | and we run it from a pre-built virtualenv baked into our images | 19:31 |
| pabelanger | true, was just asking | 19:31 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think it's used too early in the process for constraints to help | 19:31 |
| fungi | right, putting upper-constraints.txt wouldn't do anything afaik | 19:32 |
| fungi | er, putting it in | 19:32 |
| fungi | okay, i'll double-check with the release team just to be sure they're aware (and let them know that we don't expect any impact) | 19:32 |
| fungi | otherwise planning to move forward with tagging 2.2.0 in the next day or so | 19:33 |
| clarkb | right bindep has to run before pip with constraints does in order to get system deps in place | 19:33 |
| fungi | #info Expect bindep 2.2.0 in the next 24-48 hours unless there is strong objection from the Release Management team | 19:34 |
| fungi | #topic General PTG planning (fungi) | 19:34 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-pike Infra Pike PTG planning pad | 19:34 |
| fungi | BobH: can you repeat your question from earlier, if you're still around? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | re General PTG Planning I wanted to get the test failure debugging session onto the project room schedule | 19:35 |
| BobH | sure, do we have an idea on how much time we'll spend together during the day to allow for time in the evening for other activities | 19:35 |
| clarkb | andreaf: if you are around you might have input on ^ too | 19:35 |
| clarkb | I was wondering what people thought about when would be most effective, during the first two days of ptg or last 3 days? or maybe do it twice once for each group? | 19:36 |
| fungi | BobH: great question. i'm looking now to see if we have specific hours for start/finish published for teh conference space | 19:36 |
| BobH | I couldn't find anything other than it was up to the respective teams | 19:37 |
| ttx | fungi: reading | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | the ethercalc make it look like 9-5 | 19:37 |
| clarkb | jeblair: 5:30 | 19:37 |
| clarkb | I think the 5 block runs until 5:30 | 19:37 |
| ttx | rooms will stay open until 6pm | 19:37 |
| ttx | Normal hours are 9-5 | 19:38 |
| jeblair | clarkb: indeed | 19:38 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair/clarkb/ttx | 19:38 |
| ttx | but overtime is ok | 19:38 |
| fungi | i feel like 9-5 is plenty. don't want to burn everyone out | 19:38 |
| ttx | re: release management I'd rather keep things safe until next Wednesday | 19:38 |
| ttx | slushy slush | 19:39 |
| clarkb | 9-5 sounds good to me | 19:39 |
| ttx | especially for things that are a bit special | 19:39 |
| BobH | works for me. | 19:39 |
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| fungi | ttx: mmm, okay i can put off the new bindep until after release day | 19:39 |
| fungi | i keep forgetting it's next wednesday already | 19:39 |
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| fungi | a week from tomorrow | 19:40 |
| jeblair | how important are the rhel support updates? are they blocking any (release related) work? | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | re joint infra/qa session on debugging test failures. Seems like we currently pull more people from cross project work into that so possibly valuable to do it during first two days. But also valuable to do it during last 3 days to hopefully make more of the projects self sufficient in debugging things | 19:40 |
| fungi | jeblair: there shouldn't be any release dependency on bindep since it's intended for developers setting up development environments | 19:40 |
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| fungi | and for some convenient automation in our ci | 19:41 |
| jeblair | fungi: poorly phrased question -- i mean are they blocking any openstack developer's ability to complete the release of their project? | 19:41 |
| fungi | not to my knowledge, no | 19:41 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | if no one else has opinions on that session schedulign I will probably just pencil it in twice for the two groupings of days | 19:42 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i wonder how many vertical devs will be around the first 2 days...? | 19:42 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, if we only have one joint debugging session it likely needs to be monday/tuesday because harder for the various services teams to work out a time they can have representatives available | 19:43 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, both as an experiment sounds like a good idea | 19:43 |
| fungi | oh, great point jeblair | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ya thinking we want to reach both groups and having it during each chunk of time might be best way to do that | 19:43 |
| jeblair | fungi: if we had to (guess and) pick 1, i would probably actually pick last 3 days... | 19:43 |
| fungi | i somehow ignored that some of the services teams might not have anyone show up until wednesday | 19:43 |
| clarkb | also thinking half an hour might not be enough and should go for an hour? | 19:44 |
| jeblair | fungi: i agree with your point about difficulty in scheduling though. | 19:44 |
| clarkb | there I penciled in two hours | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: if you can provide feedback on those selections that would be great | 19:45 |
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| pabelanger | https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-PTG-Discussion-Rooms is the URL in question, too me a while to find it | 19:45 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i watched you pencil them in! ++ | 19:45 |
| fungi | clarkb: i agree that's safest. is there a rough set of examples you expect to work from? | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I was planning on digging through recent ones | 19:46 |
| clarkb | probably fridayish | 19:46 |
| clarkb | so the kolla jinja2 failure | 19:46 |
| fungi | ttx: is there a reason not to link that spreadsheet in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Pike/Etherpads (or is it there and i'm not seeing it)> | 19:46 |
| fungi | ? | 19:46 |
| clarkb | some of the OOM fails | 19:46 |
| clarkb | the libvirt crashes with nested virt | 19:46 |
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| fungi | yeah, i guess the odds of unsolved gate failures more or less evaporating before then is slim | 19:47 |
| fungi | and if they do, we should spend those slots celebrating? ;) | 19:47 |
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| clarkb | but want to focus on general debugging too | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | and reading logs etc | 19:48 |
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| fungi | seems like all of that is covered pretty thoroughly if you just dive into example failures anyway | 19:48 |
| clarkb | since a large amount ofissues that get run by us seem to be from people just lost in the maze of openstack | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:48 |
| fungi | but yes, big thumbs-up to trying to reduce the general confusion over where and how stuff gets logged | 19:49 |
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| ttx | fungi: no reason, please fix | 19:50 |
| fungi | ttx: thanks, will do momentarily | 19:50 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: we could just pick something from the uncategorized failure page and dig into | 19:52 |
| mtreinish | it | 19:52 |
| fungi | skimming through our planning pad (and ignoring the stuff i pasted in there as conversation starters), it looks like we have interest in hacking on the next generation of zuul/nodepool (obviously), storyboard stuff (especially promotion and migration tooling), the debugging sessions clarkb has been discussing, maybe some work on firehose, manage-projects stuff (if there's any left to do by then), | 19:53 |
| fungi | xenial control-plane migrations and discussing moving some of our control plan to different service providers, and the devstack-gate support for local.conf | 19:53 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: ++ I like that | 19:53 |
| clarkb | do we have our room assignment so that can be put in etherpad too ? (though there will be maps and plenty of signs aiui so maybe not necessary) | 19:54 |
| ttx | there will be maps | 19:55 |
| ttx | there are always maps | 19:55 |
| ttx | reading the maps is important. | 19:55 |
| fungi | as stated previously i'm trying to avoid over-structuring this since it's the first ptg and we want to see how things might emerge organically, but one idea i've been toying with is to have at least one volunteer for each of the topics we wind up working on to take notes they can feed me with urls to outcomes (documentation of decisions reached, features implemented, results of demos/testing, | 19:55 |
| fungi | whatever) so i can more easily produce a summary without missing bits for topics in which i wasn't personally involved | 19:55 |
| * jeblair wonders what ttx has hidden in the maps | 19:56 | |
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| pabelanger | fungi: seems like a good approach | 19:57 |
| fungi | so between now and monday, be thinking about if there are things you plan to be around for all of where you wouldn't mind keeping track of what's going on for posterity (you don't need to be leading the work, just paying attention and making some notes is enough) | 19:57 |
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| clarkb | also someone noted there would be an atlanta guide for eateries? | 19:58 |
| mordred | jeblair: special prizes | 19:58 |
| fungi | we can break some of the more involved topics out into their own tracking pads too and link them from our main etherpad to keep stuff under control | 19:58 |
| clarkb | once I find that I will try to respond to ml thread about dinner options | 19:58 |
| fungi | i still liked the trader vic's suggestion, but i'm probably just biased by the recommended attire | 19:59 |
| clarkb | Pitty Pat's Porch looks very atlanta and is downtown. I'm good with Trader Vic's and we all dress appropriately :) | 19:59 |
| clarkb | they have mai tais too | 19:59 |
| ttx | I may have to borrow an adequate shirt | 19:59 |
| fungi | they would have you believe they're the home of the original mai tai | 20:00 |
| fungi | oh, we're out of time | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks everybody! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| bkero | Thanks o/ | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 20:00:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-14-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-14-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-14-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | ohai | 20:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 20:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 20:00 |
| fungi | tc-ishness ensues | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dims, EmilienM, mordred, mtreinish, thingee: around ? | 20:01 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy is Valentining | 20:01 |
| mordred | ttx: I guess so | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 20:01:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| * edleafe pulls up a chair | 20:01 | |
| flaper87 | I just want to say you guys are the worst valentine's date I've ever had. | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | no offense, though | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:01 |
| * mordred slyly puts his arm around flaper87's shoulder | 20:01 | |
| ttx | flaper87: I think I had other TC meetings on Valentine's day Tuesday, so maybe not | 20:01 |
| * dhellmann sprinkles rose petals at flaper87's feet | 20:02 | |
| ttx | Our agenda for today is at: | 20:02 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #topic Update projects.yaml with results of the PTL elections | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | LOL | 20:02 |
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| * flaper87 stfu | 20:02 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/430481 | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Looks like I can approve this now unless someone screams | 20:02 |
| stevemar | ttx: go for it | 20:02 |
| ttx | done | 20:02 |
| * stevemar is happy to be off that list hehe | 20:02 | |
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| ttx | stevemar: offciially relieved from that particular duty | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic PTG organization | 20:03 |
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| mugsie | stevemar: +1 :) | 20:03 |
| ttx | So we have the PTG coming next week, was wondering if you had questions | 20:03 |
| * mordred hands stevemar a pie | 20:03 | |
| ttx | Random bits of information: | 20:03 |
| stevemar | mordred: better be apple | 20:03 |
| ttx | We'll be communicating / synchronizing via #openstack-ptg, so join that | 20:03 |
| ttx | And we have a number of reservable rooms for inter-project discussions which you can book via | 20:03 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-PTG-Discussion-Rooms | 20:03 |
| ttx | We'll do 9am - 5pm every day (although the rooms will stay accessible until 6pm) | 20:03 |
| ttx | Lunch will be served between noon and 1:30pm | 20:04 |
| ttx | it's ok to cut it short | 20:04 |
| ttx | There will be a happy hour on Tuesday 5-7pm, and a feedback fishbowl session at 5pm on Thursday | 20:04 |
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| ttx | Otherwise you should self-organize | 20:04 |
| ttx | We should have some email today(?) with pointers to group-friendly restaurants in the area | 20:04 |
| ttx | in case you want to set up dinners | 20:05 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: ^ | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | sounds fantastic | 20:05 |
| ttx | Other questions ? | 20:05 |
| EmilienM | 5pm? I scheduled sessions until 6 | 20:05 |
| ttx | EmilienM: it's fine | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | EmilienM: rooms available till 6 | 20:05 |
| EmilienM | we don't want to miss parties though :-P | 20:05 |
| ttx | The bar should not be empty yet | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | EmilienM: then stop working | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:05 |
| stevemar | lol | 20:05 |
| fungi | is there a separate lunch location, and if so then is it still allowed to bring lunch back to the team rooms instead? | 20:06 |
| ttx | EmilienM: it's on Tuesday, your sessions for TripleO start on Wed ? | 20:06 |
| EmilienM | ttx: right | 20:06 |
| EmilienM | I'll make sure flaper87 doesn't go at bar before | 20:06 |
| ttx | fungi: no idea | 20:06 |
| ttx | probably ok | 20:06 |
| * fungi will "wing it" | 20:06 | |
| edleafe | EmilienM: move your last session to the bar | 20:06 |
| ttx | edleafe: that's the spirit | 20:06 |
| ttx | ok, feel free to hit me or diablo_rojo if you have questions, we'll do our best to extract knowledge from the events team and answer | 20:07 |
| fungi | apparently there's a bar in the same hotel, so easy to move any session you like to it probably ;) | 20:07 |
| EmilienM | we'll be releasing final ocata in our case, we'll need strong drinks | 20:07 |
| EmilienM | ttx: thanks of all the infos! | 20:07 |
| ttx | #topic Document current base services | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Document current base services (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:08 | |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/430965 | 20:08 |
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| ttx | This is introducing the concept of "base services" | 20:08 |
| ttx | which are things that OpenStack projects can reasonably assume will be present in any OpenStack installation and may therefore freely leverage the features of | 20:08 |
| ttx | It's not really a new concept, but we never actually listed the things that are OK to assume will be present | 20:08 |
| ttx | Currently: a database, a message queue and Keystone | 20:08 |
| ttx | which kind of made it harder for us from having discussions on how to grow or limit that set | 20:09 |
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| ttx | So I think this will really help us, by providing a base framework for future necessary debates | 20:09 |
| ttx | (debates like ending the postgres support, or adding a DLM, or being able to assume Barbican will be present) | 20:09 |
| ttx | Questions, comments ? | 20:09 |
| mtreinish | ttx: well this doesn't really effect the postgres discussion. You said an oslo.db compatible db in there | 20:10 |
| mtreinish | postgres fits that | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | I just had one comment on it but not a blocker for sure | 20:10 |
| ttx | mtreinish: it doesn't affect indeed, describves status quo | 20:10 |
| ttx | flaper87: yeah, we can rename after the merge if necessary | 20:10 |
| ttx | feels like we have enough votes to pass it, then we'll evolve from there | 20:11 |
| stevemar | i think the wording is loose enough around the DB that if we can approve that aside from the postgres discussion | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yup, voted | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I can do the follow-up one if you want, since I brought it up | 20:11 |
| * dims_ many apologies for showing up tardy | 20:11 | |
| ttx | ok approved | 20:11 |
| fungi | the intent seems to be (with databases for example) that you only rely on features of the rdbms exposed through oslo.db, which at least allows us to tune for a common featureset between multiple backends | 20:12 |
| ttx | flaper87: sure -- dtroyer's proposed title sounds good | 20:12 |
| ttx | fungi: yes. If we want to not support postgres anymore, we can eiether block it at oslo.db level or replace that oslo.db statement by something stronger | 20:12 |
| fungi | though the way it's written, i could see people interpreting it such that you can depend on the advanced features of a single database which happens to be a supported oslo.db backend, even if you're not using oslo.db to leverage it (and so may use features not provided by oslo.db) | 20:13 |
| ttx | We'll get back to that later in the meeting when we cover postgresql | 20:13 |
| fungi | wfm | 20:13 |
| ttx | It's a living doc so feel free to propose updates :) | 20:13 |
| ttx | I think it accurately describes the current situation | 20:14 |
| ttx | #topic Glance: Changing response status code. What's the best path forward? | 20:14 |
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| dims_ | agree | 20:14 |
| dtroyer | ++ | 20:14 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420038/ | 20:14 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425487/ | 20:14 |
| ttx | flaper87, rosmaita: o/ | 20:14 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 20:14 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | So, I've been talking with rosmaita about this and digging into the topic | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | I'll let rosmaita do all the talking, though | 20:14 |
| rosmaita | ok | 20:14 |
| rosmaita | Glance has proposed to fix a bug, an API call that returns a 200 whereas a 204 (No Content) is more appropriate, by changing the software to return the correct code. Ordinarily, this would be a questionable move, but we've argued that in this particular case because the documents have always stated this call returns a 204 and all the other related calls in fact return 204s. However, representatives of the QA team saw the change, and did not li | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | The Glance team consulted the API-WG Guidelines which state that this kind of thing is generally not acceptable, but the details of this case seemed to make it an exception. So the Glance team met with the API-WG to see what they thought, and they agreed this was a legitimate exception. Unfortunately, the QA team merged a tempest test that covers this call and expects a 200 in the response, before the discussion was resolved, and now we can't | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | We're bringing this up at the TC because we'd like a solution to this particular situation and we feel the need of a non biased body to provide guidance. This issue is also related to the ongoing discussion about the proposed api-compatability tag | 20:15 |
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| flaper87 | rosmaita: I think your IRC client cut some of the pastes :P | 20:15 |
| rosmaita | shoot, i'm using irssi, but looks ok to me | 20:16 |
| edleafe | Wearing my API-WG hat, we felt that it was indeed a reasonable change | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | is that tempest test part of what's used for defcore? | 20:17 |
| ttx | did not li.. | 20:17 |
| ttx | ke it ? | 20:17 |
| mordred | I believe making the changes, in this case, are improvements to the user | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | don't think so, it's metadefs | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 20:17 |
| edleafe | The return code doesn't change the meaning. 200->204 is not the same as, say, 400-404 | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | Based on how the discussions on this topic have evolved and the parties involved, I think I'd be good with this change happening. The API-WG was part of the discussion and it's not part of defcore | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | I'm curious to understand why the QA team thought adding that test on their own was appropriate. | 20:17 |
| rosmaita | well, they were expanding test coverage of glance to metadefs | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | actually, they reported the bug | 20:18 |
| fungi | are the tempest reviewers objecting to a change that will accept either of 200 or 204 for that call? | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | OK, but this change was in progress, right? | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | dhellmann: yes | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | I guess I'm trying to understand how this turned into a blocking situation instead of an opportunity for a conversation. | 20:18 |
| rosmaita | fungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432611/ | 20:18 |
| mordred | sounds to me like the process is working ... the QA team found a bug where the code didn't do what the docs say it should and the dev team fixed it | 20:19 |
| rosmaita | yes, the disagreement is on how the fix should go | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | And why it had to come to the TC for a decision. Not that asking us to make one is wrong, just we'd like I think to avoid having to do that when possible. | 20:19 |
| mtreinish | fungi: normally that's not how things like this are handled. But they can be in edge cases | 20:19 |
| mtreinish | tempest likes the api to work the same on all releases | 20:19 |
| mordred | so does mordred | 20:19 |
| edleafe | dhellmann: Glance did come to the API-WG for a discussion, but our conclusions didn't seem to sway QA | 20:20 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: yeah, looks like oomichi has objected to 432611 on the grounds that tempest is used for defcore (though sounds like the test in question actually isn't) | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like the argument for changing the response code is the new value is more accurate and more consistent, and the argument for not changing it is that we don't change response codes? | 20:20 |
| mordred | _but_ - also sometimes we find things that are just bugs - and low-impact bugs too | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: I think the current issue is that the discussion has hit a deadlock | 20:20 |
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| mtreinish | mostly the issue here stems from a lot of precedence that changes like this need to be handled in a way that things don't change between releases without a versioning mechanism of some sort | 20:20 |
| edleafe | flaper87: bingo | 20:20 |
| ttx | and escalation was the only solution | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : right, and I would like to know why we have two teams deadlocked | 20:20 |
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| dhellmann | we can deal with the immediate issue of deciding how to proceed, but we should also deal with the issue of getting deadlocked in the first place | 20:21 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I suspect one of the dimensions of this issue is that the tempest tests live in tempest in that case | 20:21 |
| edleafe | dhellmann: one reason is that the API-WG is simply advisory, whereas the TC has a little more power to resolve such issues | 20:21 |
| mordred | I mean - I think the urge to be conservative here is a good one, and I honestly would not mind the process for things like this be to get a TC greenlight - just so that we don't slippery slope back into the world of making brekaing changes across releases | 20:21 |
| ttx | i.e. the QA team has authority on one part of the fix and Glance on the other | 20:21 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I think oomichi is referring to the nature of tempest being used against any cloud and using defcore as an example | 20:21 |
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| mtreinish | but I could be wrong | 20:22 |
| dims_ | guess folks who are relying on current behavior will break. folks who read the docs will just scratch their heads. so we lean towards the not-breaking-people direction? | 20:22 |
| ttx | so if they don't agree on the fix and nobody yields... escalation is the right process | 20:22 |
| fungi | i would have hoped to see rosmaita follow up to the -1 on 432611 with appropriate counterarguments rather than just assuming the opinion of any reviewer is immutable, but maybe there was other subsequent discussion which isn't reflected in that review? | 20:22 |
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| ttx | the only way to avoid that in the future is to put all tempest tests in project-specific repo but we rules the other way recently | 20:22 |
| mordred | dims_: they'll break in theory. in practice, the chances someone has code that is explicitly checking for 200 vs 204 and making different actions based on it is none | 20:22 |
| edleafe | In case anyone wants my POV on this: https://blog.leafe.com/api-longevity/ | 20:22 |
| ttx | ruled* | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | ttx: only for defcore tests | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | fungi: I think that's the cae, although probably not ideal | 20:23 |
| ttx | dhellmann: apparently for that one as well | 20:23 |
| mordred | because theonly different action you'd make from 200 to 204 is to not look at the payload - but there is no payload anyway,so there is literally no legitimate consumption difference | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | that policy only applies to tests intended for use by defcore | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | well, my point is the test could just be moved | 20:23 |
| rosmaita | fungi: see the other patches ttx linked for the arguments about this | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | though that doesn't solve the collaboration problem | 20:23 |
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| mtreinish | mordred: well unless you have a poorly written client that assumes a specific response code to measure success | 20:23 |
| edleafe | dhellmann: you are correct in pointing out that there are two problems here | 20:23 |
| mtreinish | mordred: in the past we've asserted that's a thing we've cared about | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | mordred: do we anticipate someone looking at the specific error code at all? | 20:24 |
| sdague | mordred: yeh, I think it's mostly the difference of opinion of "is not really broken, why fix this" | 20:24 |
| sdague | dhellmann: people do stuff all the time where they just == KNOWN_GOOD_THING | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | mordred: ++ | 20:24 |
| ttx | so yes, (1) how do we solve that disagreement and (2) how do we avoid similar situations in the future | 20:25 |
| mordred | yah. it's a jugement call. I'm saying I come down fairly strongly on "just fix the bug" - because someone who wrote a client that is _specifically_ coding against the 200 and not the 204 coded to a specific success code that is in contradiction to the api docs so holy crap what were they doing? | 20:25 |
| sdague | right, we've got 2 camps here. QA) don't change things unless it's really hurting people. | 20:25 |
| dtroyer | also, KNOWN_GOOD_THING is often defined by what it does, not what the docs say | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | mordred : they were coding against how a cloud they use actually works? | 20:25 |
| sdague | Glance) lets make this more compliant | 20:25 |
| fungi | rosmaita: yeah, skimmed and it looks like the pushback from oomichi was that there should be thorough discussion before changing that behavior. now that it's been discussed is he still unwilling to budge? | 20:25 |
| dims_ | right dtroyer | 20:25 |
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| sdague | and seems like the TC call is really where we want that slider to be | 20:26 |
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| mugsie | I do know if i was writing a client for something, and the docs disagreed with the actual response, I would just throw my hands up, and code it to what worked | 20:26 |
| rosmaita | fungi: yes, but as you can see, both sides of this have support | 20:26 |
| ttx | sdague: and I think it's appropriate for the TC to make that call, tbh | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | mugsie : right | 20:26 |
| mordred | mugsie: right. but this is a different _success_ code - coding against a specific code is crazy in teh first place | 20:26 |
| sdague | because I think that after the recommendation, the teams will most likely run with it | 20:26 |
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| edleafe | mugsie: but I wouldn't be shocked if later the behavior changed to match the docs - especially when it is consistent with everything else | 20:26 |
| bastafidli | can there be intermitent fix when documentation gets adjusted to highlight both behabiours (200 and 204) and then queue real fix for later release? | 20:26 |
| mordred | the _only_ reason I could _possibly_ think of to check the specific 200 vs. 204 is if you were coding to a spec - in which case you would have been wrong | 20:27 |
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| mugsie | mordred: sure - but in some APIs different succes codes mean different things | 20:27 |
| rosmaita | mugsie: what edleafe said | 20:27 |
| mordred | otherwise you'll be coding to 2xx | 20:27 |
| mugsie | one is "its done" anther is "come back and check" | 20:27 |
| mugsie | in the 204 case its not as clear cut | 20:27 |
| stevemar | mordred: IIRC thats what triggered the keystone patch to change things from 200 -> 204 | 20:27 |
| mordred | right - but this is "it's done" and "it's done and I don't have a payload" | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | mordred: I'm not sure we have previously applied any expectation that users will be rational when we limit changes of this nature. :-) | 20:27 |
| mordred | dhellmann: :) | 20:27 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, that's really the crux | 20:28 |
| dtroyer | this is probably the closest we will come to this sort of exception being mostly harmless | 20:28 |
| mordred | dtroyer: ++ | 20:28 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: true | 20:28 |
| sdague | so... just to be warned | 20:28 |
| dtroyer | I really don't think we are in danger of setting precedent we will eventually regret here | 20:28 |
| mordred | me either | 20:28 |
| edleafe | mugsie: if I saw docs = 204 and behavior = 200, I'd code 200 <= response < 300 and be done with it. :) | 20:28 |
| ttx | OK, let's make some progress here -- (1) which approach would you rather take, Glance or QA ? And (2) how would you avoid such disagreement in the future ? | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | fwiw, in this case, I'd prefer to take the API-WG's advice and go with it | 20:28 |
| mordred | edleafe: ++ | 20:28 |
| sdague | there have been individuals across multiple projects wanting to change up all the success codes to match the api-wg recommendations | 20:28 |
| mordred | ttx: I explicitly do not want this to be about a general response | 20:28 |
| sdague | because probably about 30% of succes is wrong | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx: to be clear, it's a choice between correcting the docs and between changing the code? | 20:29 |
| sdague | by strict http standards | 20:29 |
| mordred | this is a very specific case with a very specific set of tradeoffs | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: there is a simple middle ground here just version the api. So it matches the docs moving forward but maintains backwards compat for older clients | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: yes | 20:29 |
| mordred | that I think rosmaita has done a great job of enumerating | 20:29 |
| dtroyer | sdague: sure, and much of that will cause much more heartburn… are the docs wrong (different) in those cases too? | 20:29 |
| fungi | dhellmann: or between changing the documented behavior and correcting the code ;) | 20:29 |
| sdague | so, if this slider moves, that all comes into play | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | which is what I always recommend for an api change | 20:29 |
| mordred | we absolutely do not need to make any larger decisions on policies | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yes | 20:29 |
| ttx | mordred: so you would explicitly not provide an answer for (2) (how to avoid such disagreement in the future) | 20:29 |
| mordred | ttx: yes. very much so | 20:30 |
| ttx | and rule case by case | 20:30 |
| sdague | dtroyer: where the docs have been wrong on the nova side, we've been just fixing the docs | 20:30 |
| dtroyer | mtreinish: assuming clients ever actually pay attention to API versions… it's more of a "notice a break" and reactively deal with it situation | 20:30 |
| mordred | this is not a precedent-needing problem | 20:30 |
| mugsie | but, now the docs will be wrong for one release, and right for one - where as if the docs are fixed, they are right for all versions | 20:30 |
| mordred | yes | 20:30 |
| ttx | mordred: wfm | 20:30 |
| dtroyer | sdague: perfectly good option too | 20:30 |
| edleafe | ttx: I understood 2) to mean "why don't teams cooperate"? | 20:30 |
| fungi | i like flaper87's position. we have the api working group for a reason, and the glance team did consult with them to get an answer. i see no reason to disagree with them on api-behavior-specific topics | 20:30 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: right, by versioning it you don't break anyone | 20:30 |
| mtreinish | mugsie: right, I view this as more a doc bug then anything | 20:31 |
| edleafe | mtreinish: now if only Glance supported microversions... :) | 20:31 |
| mordred | versioning just shifts the complexity to a different place | 20:31 |
| mordred | for this | 20:31 |
| ttx | fungi: ++ | 20:31 |
| stevemar | mordred: yeah | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | fungi: ++ | 20:31 |
| smcginnis | mordred: +1 | 20:31 |
| mugsie | mordred: ++ | 20:31 |
| dtroyer | versioning needs to be done, but I don't think this is a zero-sum situation | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ++ | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | edleafe: right, this issue has come up before with glance more than once in the past few weeks, and it's why I proposed that tag | 20:32 |
| fungi | also, the tc contradicting the api working group on a topic like this feels like a vote of "no confidence" in them | 20:32 |
| dtroyer | fix the friggin bug, and get up to date with versioning…we really need both | 20:32 |
| edleafe | dtroyer: +1 | 20:32 |
| mordred | dtroyer: totes. versioning needs to be done. but punting to versioning for this one I think is overkill | 20:32 |
| ttx | OK, it feels like there is a majority agreeing to take Glance's side on this one ? And no majority to make that a precedent | 20:32 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: you may want to have an actual IRC vote, just for logging purposes | 20:32 |
| mordred | ttx: if there is any precedent, it's that the teams all acted appropriately | 20:32 |
| dims_ | i can go with that ttx | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | ttx: that | 20:32 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:32 |
| mordred | ttx: glance talked to the API-WG - the QA team was appropriately conservative | 20:32 |
| dims_ | ++ mordred | 20:33 |
| rosmaita | mordred: ++ | 20:33 |
| dtroyer | mordred: ++ | 20:33 |
| mordred | if the same situation arises again and all of the teams follow this pattern I don't think it'll be bad for openstack | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | mordred: no versioning should have been done for the other breaking change glance made a few weeks ago where they completely changed the membership api | 20:33 |
| sdague | so, I don't actually understand how you can reject the precident though | 20:33 |
| edleafe | mordred: good summary | 20:33 |
| fungi | i definitely don't see this as setting any precedent for anything other than agreeing with the api-wg on their assessment of effectively non-impactful minor changes | 20:33 |
| ttx | #startvote Should that conflict be solved by taking Glance's or QA's approach? Glance, QA, abstain | 20:33 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should that conflict be solved by taking Glance's or QA's approach? Valid vote options are Glance, QA, abstain. | 20:33 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:33 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | #vote Glance | 20:33 |
| mordred | #vote Glance | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | #vote Glance | 20:33 |
| fungi | #vote Glance | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | #vote QA | 20:34 |
| dtroyer | #vote Glance | 20:34 |
| EmilienM | #vote Glance | 20:34 |
| sdague | #vote abstain | 20:34 |
| ttx | #vote abstain | 20:34 |
| dims_ | #vote Glance | 20:34 |
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| ttx | (would rather come up with a precedent but understand why its not necessarily desirable here) | 20:34 |
| sdague | ttx: you can't not though | 20:35 |
| dtroyer | sdague: sure, the precedent includes the amount of (non)breakage potential too | 20:35 |
| ttx | ok, 30 more seconds | 20:35 |
| sdague | dtroyer: that's fine, like I said a rather large amount of success codes are non HTTP pure | 20:35 |
| * mugsie will bet this *will* be used as an example of a change that was allowed in the future | 20:36 | |
| dtroyer | sdague: right. and a large number of thouse would be painful, so any precedent doesn't apply | 20:36 |
| sdague | we've had specs in Nova to go clean those up, which we've kept pushing back on because it's a lot of churn for not much clear value | 20:36 |
| ttx | #endvote | 20:36 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should that conflict be solved by taking Glance's or QA's approach?" Results are | 20:36 |
| openstack | QA (1): mtreinish | 20:36 |
| openstack | Glance (7): dims_, fungi, mordred, dhellmann, dtroyer, flaper87, EmilienM | 20:36 |
| openstack | abstain (2): ttx, sdague | 20:36 |
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| ttx | mugsie: doesn't prevent anyone from re-raising it to TC | 20:36 |
| sdague | ttx: it doesn't | 20:36 |
| sdague | but it won't be | 20:36 |
| fungi | it sets a precedent that backward compatibility rules are open to interpretation in some cases | 20:37 |
| sdague | it's fine that was the decision, but please don't pretend teams won't self censor on it | 20:37 |
| mtreinish | fungi: which I think is a step in the wrong direction | 20:37 |
| mordred | and that the API-WG should be consulted when they are open to interp as well | 20:37 |
| mtreinish | fungi: the apis change enough as it is | 20:37 |
| ttx | #info <mordred> ttx: glance talked to the API-WG - the QA team was appropriately conservative | 20:38 |
| ttx | ok, next topic | 20:38 |
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| ttx | #topic Deprecate postgresql in OpenStack | 20:38 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/427880 | 20:38 |
| ttx | On this one I was wondering if we can really use that 8% figure to say that "the ecosystem has settled on MySQL as the backend" | 20:38 |
| ttx | that user survey metric is a bit weird, since 24% say they use MongoDB | 20:38 |
| sdague | ttx: because of ceilometer, right? | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | ttx: telemetry? | 20:39 |
| fungi | and also of that 8% only half were apparently describing production environments? | 20:39 |
| ttx | Also Xen/Xenserver represents 6% of Nova deployments... has the ecosystem settled on KVM ? | 20:39 |
| ttx | sdague: 24% of deployments using ceilometer ? | 20:39 |
| * ttx looks | 20:39 | |
| fungi | i'm more concerned that we have fairly major distributions (suse and huawei) deploying with postgresql by default instead of mysql | 20:40 |
| ttx | it feels like the backlash is not coming from a vocal minority as much as I expected it | 20:40 |
| fungi | and curious to know what impact this would have on them | 20:40 |
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| dtroyer | fungi: I'm curious what they've seen when there has been so little testing as it is on pg | 20:41 |
| ttx | sdague: you're right, probably comes from Ceilometer 60% | 20:41 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah, I'm curious about that too | 20:41 |
| EmilienM | in TripleO, we use MongoDB with Zaqar messaging | 20:41 |
| sdague | fungi: yeh, it seems like products by suse, huawei, and windriver are based on pg, but I've never seen an organic instance in the operator community based on that | 20:41 |
| edleafe | While not an API, this also seems like a breaking change | 20:41 |
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| gordc | dtroyer: tbh, there isn't much breakage. the rare times we notice issues, we'll just patch it upstream. | 20:41 |
| ttx | does anyone know what CERN is using ? Tim sounded like he would rather keep pg | 20:42 |
| dims_ | fungi : we will need some time to find the dev teams in there and ask them | 20:42 |
| dtroyer | gordc: how hard is it to identify that as a DB issue? or are you good enough at it by now to see it quickly? | 20:42 |
| sdague | ttx: galera I was pretty sure | 20:42 |
| EmilienM | ttx: mysql AFIK | 20:42 |
| fungi | sdague: ftr, i understand there is a very large telco in europe basing their public cloud on huawei's distribution at least (they said as much in either a keynote or a board meeting, maybe both) | 20:42 |
| ttx | anyway, I think that shouldn't block our decision -- but I think it calls for a deprecation period | 20:42 |
| edleafe | It's interesting that patching issues like this are acceptable, but patching a minor API success code change causes so much concern | 20:42 |
| mordred | fungi: yes. I have an account on it | 20:42 |
| gordc | dtroyer: i don't actually manage the product stuff so i can't give you accurate details on how quickly it gets identified | 20:43 |
| ttx | at the very minimum | 20:43 |
| dtroyer | I think the step of deprecating pg is necessary to either move forward with officially unsupporting it or to rally (again) the support required to properly maintain it | 20:43 |
| gordc | dtroyer: we're not tracking master so we really only notice things when we start pulling in update for next version | 20:43 |
| ttx | i.e. we would not intentionally scrap pg-compatibilty code until +1year | 20:43 |
| sdague | ttx: but we should definitely ensure it's not really in docs and the like | 20:43 |
| mordred | yah. I don't think removal without a full and conservative deprecation cycle is an option | 20:44 |
| sdague | because right now there is implied support from upstream | 20:44 |
| dtroyer | gordc: ok, so given the lag from master to distro, the removal of most pg jobs early in Ocata(-ish) only now gets to you? | 20:44 |
| ttx | sdague: well, if the other is "deprecated" it should not look good in docs indeed | 20:44 |
| gordc | dtroyer: we had pgsql test in ceilometer gate and we were noticed a pg break every 8 months or so... majority the db stuff we do in openstack is really generic. | 20:44 |
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| dtroyer | gordc: ok, thx | 20:45 |
| mugsie | dtroyer: I would not assume that it would even on the radar of some distros yet | 20:45 |
| ttx | sdague: I agree the mismatch between support upstream and usage is distro is a bit weird | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | is the problem with supporting it the lack of folks to fix breaks, or is there a pressing technical need for something only available in mysql? | 20:45 |
| gordc | dtroyer: i can't recall how many issues reached downstream. when i asked, they gave me 3 examples of them patching upstream to fix pgsql | 20:45 |
| edleafe | dhellmann: the former | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | edleafe : ok, because I've heard both arguments | 20:45 |
| mordred | edleafe: I'd say both actually | 20:45 |
| mordred | I think the reason I'm advocating for us to consider this is so that we can consider _not_ doing really generic database stuff | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | mordred : "pressing"? | 20:46 |
| ttx | Theoretical: if someone shows up and fixes PG support and works in QA team to support it, would we reverse the decision ? | 20:46 |
| mordred | nothing is pressing | 20:46 |
| mordred | openstack has worked for years | 20:46 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: from my point of view the problem is the extra overhead of "oh, we'd like to do utf8 right on these fields" | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | right, ttx phrased my question more directly | 20:46 |
| sdague | "oh, wth does pg do there? do we have to care?" | 20:46 |
| sdague | feature dies | 20:46 |
| mordred | yup | 20:46 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:46 |
| mordred | there's a ton of db improvement that dies on the vine | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | I am surprised that unicode is even something we have to deal with. Doesn't sqlalchemy do that? | 20:46 |
| dtroyer | ttx: we've seen that for short periods before, how do we gauge long-term commitment? | 20:46 |
| edleafe | mordred: the impetus was lack of support. Once we consider dropping it, then the possibilities of MySQL-centric stuff start to bloom | 20:47 |
| sdague | dhellmann: no | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | ffs | 20:47 |
| mordred | dtroyer: unicode is execptionally difficult to get right | 20:47 |
| mordred | gah | 20:47 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: ^^ sorry | 20:47 |
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| sdague | the db engine is really important | 20:47 |
| sdague | especially if you are trying to index things for search | 20:47 |
| ttx | happens that databses are hard to abstract after all | 20:47 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:47 |
| sdague | there is this assumption that sqla and oslo.db abstract the db | 20:47 |
| sdague | they do not | 20:47 |
| bastafidli | edleafe: ++ | 20:47 |
| sdague | they provide some convenience functions | 20:48 |
| gordc | i mention this on patch... but breaking something that works for some hypothetical improvements is kinda sketchy. | 20:48 |
| sdague | and if you write some thing in ormish ways, some common 80% cases are made to look the same | 20:48 |
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| ttx | gordc: devil's advocate: in openstack we say that what's not tested is broken | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | gordc : I'm hearing a very specific improvement in non-ascii text support | 20:48 |
| ttx | I'm more concerned about the lack of testing or resources to work on it | 20:49 |
| gordc | ttx: fair enough. | 20:49 |
| fungi | gordc: would you object to proposed model/schema changes that improved performance in mysql but worsened performance in postgresql (or vice versa)? | 20:49 |
| EmilienM | ttx: right, it seems like a very few (1 or 2) people actually maintain it | 20:49 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: the question in my mind is whether we phrase the deprecation as reversible if support shows up, or if we say it's settled once and for all | 20:49 |
| gordc | fungi: nope. i think that'd be good. | 20:50 |
| ttx | gordc: I'm saying "devil's advocate" because my personal preference on this is that we should find a way to make it work | 20:50 |
| fungi | just curious whether we need some actual examples of beneficial changes we've avoided/abandoned because they'll impair one specific backend | 20:50 |
| dims_ | how much deprecation period are we looking at? | 20:50 |
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| gordc | ttx: i'd prefer a periodic check to see actually validate pgsql is unmaintained | 20:50 |
| stevemar | this is a *very* liberal use of our deprecation policy :\ | 20:51 |
| ttx | dhellmann: well... deprecation will not actively break, it's more of a statement that we'll start actively breaking pG by removing code or adding MySQl-specific stuff by one year | 20:51 |
| dtroyer | fungi: I would think that would help some decision makers somewhere know (and work on their upstream mgmt) if they want to fund support | 20:51 |
| gordc | or if it's just working and nothing pgsql is being done. | 20:51 |
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| ttx | so it's easily reversed if we can be convinced | 20:51 |
| ttx | but as dtroyer said, would take a lot to convince it's strategic involvement and not purely tactical | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | ttx: right, but if someone comes along offering to do support and their work is going to be turned away because we don't want that work, we should just say that up front | 20:51 |
| sdague | my concern about all of this, is the same bind we get into with "this does't work" "oh we need people to support it" | 20:51 |
| mordred | ttx: I think that's a great way to phrase it - it would also give folks a time to work up things like what fungi is talking about | 20:51 |
| sdague | because it's not really true, we need maintainers | 20:51 |
| sdague | people that are proactively on top of things | 20:52 |
| dtroyer | sdague: ++ | 20:52 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: ++ | 20:52 |
| sdague | because, what happens with just the "raise hands to support" is someone else already burdened in the community has to own the maintenance | 20:52 |
| dtroyer | and this is one way to let our contributing companie know where they need to pay attention | 20:52 |
| smcginnis | One concern would be if pg goes away, we add some mysql specific functionality, then someone shows up and wants to maintain and add back in pg support. | 20:52 |
| ttx | sdague: yes as I said it would take a lot to convince us that PG is actually maintained | 20:52 |
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| smcginnis | It will be much more difficult then. | 20:52 |
| sdague | smcginnis: it will be | 20:52 |
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| sdague | because we decided not to burden existing contributors with it | 20:53 |
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| sdague | so that they could focus on more important things for users | 20:53 |
| sdague | it's all trade offs | 20:53 |
| ttx | smcginnis: will be too late by then | 20:53 |
| smcginnis | sdague: Yep, fair point. Just pointing that out with talk of keeping the door open for it. | 20:53 |
| fungi | i'm also curious what "deprecation" would look like. should we rip out any postgresql deployment examples in master branches of install documentation at the start of the deprecation period, or at the end of it? | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : right, that's another reason for us being clear if what we're really saying is that we are going to drop pg and not accept maintenance work | 20:53 |
| ttx | smcginnis: we can only reverse that decision during the deprecation period, while we don't touch anything | 20:53 |
| EmilienM | smcginnis: I second you. Also some companies might need to fork some projects to maintain pg support ... which wouldn't be cool either. | 20:53 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: +1 | 20:53 |
| sdague | and, it's fine to say that our resources should be spent on a db that is rarely used | 20:53 |
| gordc | just curious, but how are we certain it's not maintained? | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | gordc : because people were not showing up to deal with breaks in the gate? | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | and that led to teams dropping the postgresql jobs from their gate | 20:54 |
| dtroyer | I think deprecation here means a) documenting the current state (untested), and b) waiting a period, sya a year, for the situation to change, and c) re-evaluating at the end of that period before allowing mysql-specific bits | 20:54 |
| ttx | and now it's probably broken but noone knows | 20:54 |
| gordc | dhellmann: i see. i didn't realise there were more. the pgsql we found was patched within 12 hours | 20:54 |
| mordred | yah - postgres has _consistently_ been ignored for YEARS | 20:54 |
| mordred | this isn't like a recent thing | 20:54 |
| mugsie | from our projects perspective, every now and again, someone comes in to fix pg, gets a gate and leaves. | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | gordc : at this point only the telemetry team was gating, iiuc | 20:54 |
| sdague | yeh, pretty clear the fact that we dropped pg from the gate an no one was there building alternative testing around it, means it's not maintained | 20:54 |
| mordred | mugsie: ++ | 20:55 |
| mugsie | then 6 months later something breaks, and we just drop the gate | 20:55 |
| edleafe | mordred: so it's been deprecated, but we're now just owning up to it? | 20:55 |
| gordc | dhellmann: neutron i mentinoed they have periodic postgresql | 20:55 |
| mordred | edleafe: the openstack community has literallky never actually cared about postgres | 20:55 |
| ttx | ok, I think we made progress. Let's discuss this F2F next week and I think we'll be able to make a call for Pike | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | gordc : a periodic job is not a gate job, though, right? | 20:55 |
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| mugsie | and a periodic job is only as good as the people watching the results | 20:55 |
| edleafe | mordred: it seems that enough people cared to create the tests in the first place | 20:56 |
| sdague | and, more importantly, no one is getting ahead of things | 20:56 |
| ttx | sdague: ++ | 20:56 |
| edleafe | mordred: once they left, no one picked up the slack | 20:56 |
| sdague | just having a test job isn't maintaining anything | 20:56 |
| ttx | It's reactive rather than proactive | 20:56 |
| gordc | dhellmann: right. i forgot what question was... if it's being gated on? it's not. :) | 20:56 |
| mordred | edleafe: that's how I define "community doesn't care" | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | gordc : right | 20:56 |
| gordc | i'm just wondering if it's actually broken. :) | 20:56 |
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| edleafe | mordred: and that's how I define effectively deprecated | 20:56 |
| mordred | edleafe: a random human helicoptering in to do work once and then going away does not equate to overall care and feeding | 20:56 |
| mugsie | we (designate) actually do have a voting pg gate job right now | 20:56 |
| mordred | edleafe: totes | 20:56 |
| mtreinish | gordc: I don't see any periodic jobs with postgres in the name: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&searchProject=postgres | 20:56 |
| mordred | edleafe: oh - sorry - yes, I agree with you - I was just trying to agree more strongly | 20:56 |
| edleafe | mordred: :) | 20:57 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:57 |
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| gordc | mtreinish: just going by what neutron said. | 20:57 |
| ttx | Quick couple of topics | 20:57 |
| ttx | We'll skip the TC meeting next week due to PTG | 20:57 |
| edleafe | Yeah, I'm just saying let's be honest about it | 20:57 |
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| ttx | and amrith raised the issue of the "OpenStack Clean" bot posting comments on unworthy changes | 20:57 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2017-February/001333.html | 20:57 |
| ttx | While I generally agree with what it says, it feels like a slippery slope to have anonymous bots trolling on reviews | 20:57 |
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| ttx | Any opinion on that one ? | 20:57 |
| mugsie | ttx: I think the account has been disabled | 20:57 |
| gordc | mtreinish: we dropped ours recently. | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | yes, that doesn't seem like the right answer there and I agree with disabling the bot | 20:57 |
| ttx | yes, but in a legal vacuum -- should we have a nobot policy ? | 20:58 |
| ttx | or only vetted bots ? | 20:58 |
| EmilienM | the comments are really useless but don't hurt anyone though I agree with disabling the bot. | 20:58 |
| mugsie | vetted only seems resonable | 20:58 |
| dims_ | only infra approved bots | 20:58 |
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| ttx | dims_: sounds good | 20:58 |
| EmilienM | dims_: yes, +1 | 20:58 |
| mtreinish | gordc: that link is going back a month | 20:58 |
| mtreinish | gordc: you can change the period | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | vetting bots that post seems like a reasonable standard | 20:58 |
| dtroyer | similar to the 3rd party CI requirements? | 20:58 |
| ttx | #agreed Only infra-approved bots are allowed on Gerrit | 20:58 |
| mtreinish | ttx: are we sure that's a bot? It's review here seems like a human: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430164/ | 20:58 |
| ttx | mtreinish: it's a human that repeats itself very often then | 20:59 |
| notmyname | how is that done? sounds like a "Real Name" policy | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : maybe it was a bulk update | 20:59 |
| * fungi isn't sure he wants the infra team burdened with vetting every single automated system which comments on reviews... there are hundreds already | 20:59 | |
| sdague | also, bots aren't supposed to vote in CR | 20:59 |
| ttx | notmyname: Turing test ? | 20:59 |
| sdague | bots are only supposed to vote in V | 20:59 |
| mugsie | notmyname: we kind of have that with the CLA | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ++ | 20:59 |
| smcginnis | stackalytics ranking improvement bot? | 21:00 |
| ttx | notmyname: if the bot can convince us it's human, it's probably good enough | 21:00 |
| edleafe | smcginnis: ha! | 21:00 |
| fungi | mugsie: no idea how the cla has anything to do with code review comments though | 21:00 |
| ttx | and we are out of time... | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | ttx: thx for chairing! | 21:00 |
| ttx | See you all next week ? | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | or almost all | 21:00 |
| edleafe | See you in Atlanta! | 21:00 |
| rosmaita | thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
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| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | see you in Atlanta! | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 21:01:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-02-14-20.01.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-02-14-20.01.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-02-14-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
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| mordred | notmyname: it's done not by active policing in any automated fashion - but by referring to it as an agreement when a misbehaving bot surfaces | 21:02 |
| mordred | notmyname: kind of lke a "don't be a jerk" policy - you can't actually _implement_ it on an ongoing basis - but you can refer to it when someone does something that upsets a large number of people | 21:02 |
| dims_ | ++ mordred | 21:03 |
| bswartz | oh man if we have a "don't be a jerk" policy it won't just be bots that are affected... | 21:03 |
| mordred | bswartz: :) | 21:03 |
| mordred | bswartz: we _do_ have a don't be a jerk policy | 21:03 |
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| dims_ | bswartz : :) | 21:03 |
| mordred | https://www.openstack.org/legal/community-code-of-conduct/ | 21:04 |
| mordred | it's worded with way more words than "don't be a jerk" - but that's what it boils down to | 21:04 |
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| bswartz | good to know | 21:04 |
| bswartz | that link may come in handy in some discussions | 21:05 |
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