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| lennyb | > #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 13 15:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
| lennyb | Hello | 15:01 |
| lennyb | anyone is here for the Third Party CI issues? | 15:01 |
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| asselin | hi | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:02 |
| lennyb | hello asselin, mmedvede, how are you? | 15:02 |
| lennyb | I have a question. I have some issues with nodepool. I cant access created VM. ( Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic) . | 15:03 |
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| mmedvede | all is well, thanks | 15:04 |
| lennyb | when I check inside of VM with vncviwer I see that my user/.ssh/ folder has only known_keys file and no id_rsa or id_rsa.pub keys | 15:04 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: it is a common problem. Can happen if your cloud-init does not work (or whatever method your cloud uses to inject keys) | 15:04 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede, thanks. what cloud files are relevant? | 15:05 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: iirc, nodepool checks if it can ssh under jenkins user. So jenkins should have .ssh/authorized_keys entry | 15:05 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: check VM syslog too, or /var/log/cloud-init* | 15:06 |
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| mmedvede | it might show you if there are any problems during boot | 15:06 |
| lennyb | you mean in the created VM or nodepool running server? | 15:07 |
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| asselin | double check your NODEPOOL_SSH_KEY as well: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/openstackci/third_party_ci.html#start-nodepool | 15:08 |
| asselin | cloud-init would be in the launched VM | 15:08 |
| lennyb | asselin, thanks, will do. | 15:08 |
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| lennyb | asselin, mmedvede, thanks. I will check those things. | 15:10 |
| lennyb | anything you would like to discuss today? | 15:10 |
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| mmedvede | Yes, I have a small fyi | 15:11 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede, go | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | there is a patch to devstack-gate that might break things for localrc users | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | #link support local.conf instead of localrc https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326585/ | 15:11 |
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| mmedvede | It breaks our CI, so you might want to make sure yours is fine before that patch is in | 15:12 |
| mmedvede | that is all, thanks | 15:12 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, thanks, we will check it | 15:12 |
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| lennyb | anything else? | 15:14 |
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| lennyb | asselin, mmedvede, thanks for showing up. I will close the meeting. | 15:15 |
| asselin | ok, I won't be around next week for holiday | 15:15 |
| lennyb | asselin, enjoy the holiday. where are you going? | 15:16 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 15:16 |
| asselin | maybe go skiing :) we'll see | 15:16 |
| lennyb | asselin, niiice...enjoy.... See you all ... | 15:17 |
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| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:17 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 15:17:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-02-13-15.01.html | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-02-13-15.01.txt | 15:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-02-13-15.01.log.html | 15:17 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 13 16:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| d0ugal | Hey! | 16:01 |
| mgershen1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| ddeja | o/ | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hi everyone ) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | as you may guess we won't have a meeting next week | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | and the week after | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:02 | |
| rakhmerov | no action items | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current Status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:02 | |
| rakhmerov | my status: completed refactoring of RPC serialization together with Dawid (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429643/), fixed one simple bug with workflow context internal data, almost finished working on PTG etherpad | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | share your updates, if any | 16:04 |
| d0ugal | Why wont there be a meeting after the PTG? | 16:04 |
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| rbrady | no update from me. just preparing for PTG | 16:04 |
| ddeja | Not much from my side, helped Renat with RPC serialization | 16:04 |
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| d0ugal | No update from me, other than I have tired legs from skiing. | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: well, you can have it, but I won't be available | 16:05 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: okay, that's fine - we can skip it. Just checking. | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | I'll take a couple of days off | 16:05 |
| d0ugal | Good idea :) | 16:05 |
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| mgershen | working on documenting the tasks function. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433096/ | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: let's get back to it in the end of this week. If you'll have what to discuss, why not have it | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: is it ready for review? | 16:06 |
| mgershen | yes | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok, great | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: still waiting for your review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429643/ | 16:06 |
| d0ugal | mgershen: nice! I'll look check it out. | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | i'd like to push it into rc2 | 16:07 |
| mgershen | and I really want input on how to document it, because I fear we might want to change what exactly should return for each task in the list | 16:07 |
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| mgershen | d0ugal: thanks, please do | 16:07 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I actually did review it, I just didn't vote yet. I wasn't sure I was awake enough to fully understand it | 16:07 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I think it looks good. | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: do not fear, may the OpenStack force be with you | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:07 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I guess either you or ddeja needs to review it? who else would be the second reviewer? | 16:08 |
| mgershen | haha :) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: did you get an idea and what problem I was trying to solve? | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: mostly Dawid | 16:08 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: no, not fully - it would be good it the problem was stated in the commit message :) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | well, I don't know, we both can | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: how about talking tomorrow in IRC? | 16:09 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: sure, that sounds good. | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | I listed some major points, maybe still need more details, dunno | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | I can explain | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | let's move on | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Ocata RC-2 readiness | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata RC-2 readiness (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:10 | |
| mgershen | if anyone else wants to review here is the docs preview (gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-nonha-multinode test is stuck for a while): http://docs-draft.openstack.org/96/433096/1/check/gate-mistral-docs-ubuntu-xenial/00c127f//doc/build/html/dsl/dsl_v2.html#tasks-function | 16:10 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: the points in the commit message say what you did, but I don't think they really explain "why" - but maybe I need to read it again | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | this we're releasing RC2 which is supposed to be the final Ocata release | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I'll look at the message again and see if I can improve it | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | thanks | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: thanks, usually TripleO gate takes long, that's normal | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: briefly, our serialization system didn't work for custom types at all. Although we had, for example, ResultSerializer. It wasn't just used | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: moving forward we'll need more custom classes sent over RPC | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | I looked at OVO (oslo versioned project) which was a good candidate to use, but I thought it was kind of an overkill for what I wanted to achieve | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so RC2 this week | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | I'd like to ask all of you to check whether you want to squeeze anything else into RC2 | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | and please be ready to review stuff in case of some urgent bugs | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal and ddeja especially | 16:14 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: I'll have one thing | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | test coverage? | 16:14 |
| ddeja | worse | 16:14 |
| d0ugal | I don't have anything. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:15 |
| ddeja | today I looked on test coverage, why it may fail and why on earth kombu driver have coverage 0% | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: what's that? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | so? | 16:15 |
| ddeja | so I did this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433074/ | 16:15 |
| ddeja | so, from some point (I have no idea when it stared) | 16:15 |
| ddeja | tests from unit/engine/rpc_backend/kombu/* didn't get run at all | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | wooooooow!! | 16:15 |
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| d0ugal | :( | 16:16 |
| mgershen | X.X | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | epic fail :)) | 16:16 |
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| ddeja | I remember when it was failing | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | goosh.. | 16:16 |
| ddeja | becouse I was making changes that was making tox to fail and I was fixing unit tests | 16:16 |
| ddeja | but when I was making kombu driver work with rabbit in HA, I haven't fixed any unit tests | 16:16 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: the __init__ was deleted here: https://github.com/openstack/mistral/commit/5341fb2b5bc255410a04726ef24de2d95607c1f6 | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ok, do you think it's that serious? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | is there a lot of stuff that really needs to be fixed? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | I can help | 16:17 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: not a lot | 16:17 |
| ddeja | I'll do it tommorow | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | I need this 100% ready | 16:17 |
| ddeja | It's only 15 tests after all | 16:17 |
| ddeja | oh, thanks d0ugal | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ok, it was done by mistake I guess. Happens sometimes | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | no worries | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | yup | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | let's just fix it | 16:18 |
| ddeja | hm, pycharm | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: I'll be available to help | 16:18 |
| ddeja | when I deleted the only file in dir, it also deleted __init__ | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | :( | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | any time of the day and night | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | This is why I use vim :-D | 16:18 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: thanks, but from the logs it's nothing hard to fix | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I'm thinking to learn it back (I used to use it a lot ~8 years ago) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:19 |
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| ddeja | I should have it by tommorow 12 UTC | 16:19 |
| ddeja | if no, I'll let you guys know :) | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: any chance we can get https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1627689 fixed? | 16:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627689 in Mistral "Openstack service client caching breaks security and backward compatibility" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal) | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | I guess unlikely, right? | 16:20 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: good question. I think it is quite complicated so it might be a bit late | 16:20 |
| d0ugal | I had forgotten about it | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | :) Ok, in Pike I'll do a better job reminding you about it | 16:21 |
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| d0ugal | hah, sorry - I should do a better job of keeping up with my bugs. | 16:21 |
| d0ugal | Ocata has been too short :( | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, true | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ok, then please look at your tasks and move them to Pike if you see you won't complete them | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | I'll try to finish my two tasks on doc | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I'd ask you to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1641174 | 16:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1641174 in Mistral "Update the Mistral documentation to reflect the addition of Jinja2" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal) | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | maybe you'll have time in the next 2 days to do it | 16:23 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I assume documentation changes can be added after RC2? | 16:25 |
| d0ugal | but yeah, I will try and look into it | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:25 |
| mgershen | sorry for the stupid question, where can I see all the issue in mistral that are assigned to me in Ocata? | 16:25 |
| d0ugal | but we really need to avoid getting into this situation again - can we require docs for features from Pike onwards? | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/ocata-rc2 | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | it's for Ocata RC2 | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, we touched this topic on the previous meeting. We'll need to require docs for all new features as part of "definition of done" for any task | 16:26 |
| mgershen | rakhmerov: thank you | 16:26 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: great | 16:26 |
| d0ugal | I shall read the meeting log | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: having said that, I still think it should be OK to split into separate patches but we should look at "Implements" and "Closes-bug" more carefully and require docs | 16:27 |
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| d0ugal | yeah, maybe we should require at least a docs draft | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | it could be sent as dependent patches | 16:28 |
| d0ugal | yup | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | yes, something like this | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: we can even require docs in the same patch if it's something small | 16:28 |
| d0ugal | It also makes it easier to review a new feature if you have docs :) | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | I mean, common sense will help | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | true | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: a general comment: we're very bad at planning now | 16:29 |
| mgershen | I think all suggestions are good. | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | which is, of course, mostly my fault | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | I'd appreciate if you helped me improve in this aspect | 16:29 |
| d0ugal | I can try - how can we make planning more of a team effort? | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | first thing I see: be more active with that in ML | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | schedule meetings for planning | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | for but triaging | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | etc. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | I'll come up with proposals on what we need to be doing | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | sounds good | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | and that should be done no matter what :) | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | except very rare cases may be like summits, PTGs etc. | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | next topic | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | #topic PTG topics final review | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG topics final review (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:33 | |
| rakhmerov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ptg-pike | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | I put some more details into it today (Dawid did too) | 16:34 |
| d0ugal | Looks like a great doc. | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I'd suggest you review the list of topic again and see if something important is missing | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | either in the topic list itself and/or some info about particular topics | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: thanks, trying hard ) | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | A couple of things are still don't have enough details | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | like Mistral/Glare | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | which is an important thing IMO actually | 16:36 |
| d0ugal | I am curious to hear about that :) | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | I'll do it tomorrow | 16:36 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: BTW, I'd like to ask for that thing | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, I guess I already told you a little bit about this idea | 16:36 |
| ddeja | who's request is to add this support? | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | it's been my dream for a couple of years to implement something like this | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: it's been mostly my idea | 16:37 |
| ddeja | ok, so it's an inner request, not coming from some company :) | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | but people asked for something similar too | 16:37 |
| ddeja | thanks | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | in a different form maybe but the reason is the same | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | coming, coming | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | not only internal | 16:38 |
| ddeja | ok | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | now we just finally have resources to implement it | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | really | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | I think it will be done in the next few months | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: for example, kong was requesting it too | 16:38 |
| ddeja | OK | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | he even tried to implement a similar thing already | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | the patch is still on review somewhere, I can find it | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | the demand was the same | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | I hadn't even heard of Glare before this :) | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I'll let you all know when I put more details (ideally with WF snippets) | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, it's making some noise now in the community | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | there's even an idea to replace most of Glance with it | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:40 |
| rbrady | I only saw that recently in the ML thread. Has there been other discussions about glare vs glance somewhere else? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | btw, Mike (Glare PTL) will be at the PTG too, we'll be able to discuss this topic with him | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: I guess not yet, but there will be definitely some | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | stay tuned | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | just a couple of words about how I'd like to approach PTG discussions: I formally divided all topics into three categories (functional reqs, non functional, architecture) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | I'd like to discuss at least top 3 in each categories | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | so we need to make sure that top 3 are really that we think have higher priority | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | by "discuss" I mean to have all necessary work items be able to proceed with it, all conceptional roadblocks should be clarified and a solution is found | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | that's my goal | 16:45 |
| ddeja | sounds good | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:45 |
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| mgershen | how many hours do we have? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | let's see how many people will come though | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: 3 days | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | practically, we'll have 2.5 days | 16:46 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I think it would be a good idea to try and give some days/times for the different topics | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | I don't count Fri afternoon | 16:46 |
| d0ugal | Otherwise if somebody can't attend every day, how will they know when to come? | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, reading my thoughts, I was gonna say I'd plan this for tomorrow | 16:47 |
| d0ugal | cool | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: agree | 16:47 |
| d0ugal | way ahead of me then :) | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady, d0ugal: I'd ask you to look at Actions API topic and add all things that you're worried about | 16:48 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: ack | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | so that we can discuss productively | 16:48 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | I put all that I was able to recall today | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | can't get more from my head I guess ) | 16:49 |
| d0ugal | I will look at this tomorrow | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | yep, thx | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | so, just summarizing: add whatever info you think is needed, I'll be looking at it again and fixing/beautifying before the event | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | it's better to have more than less | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | for this kind of work | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | that's probably all from my side | 16:50 |
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| d0ugal | Sounds good | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | any other comments/remarks? | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | Nothing from me | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | anything else may be on other things? | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen, ddeja, rbrady | 16:52 |
| ddeja | nothing from my side | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:52 |
| mgershen | I really want feedback about the docs, but it can be done there. | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: no worries, we'll review your patch and give a feedback | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | or you want it now? | 16:53 |
| rbrady | nothing from me. I'll look at updating the etherpad | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: ^ | 16:54 |
| mgershen | so see you next week? | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | ok :) | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:54 |
| mgershen | and in the review:-D | 16:54 |
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| d0ugal | yup, next week or in #openstack-mistral | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | right ) | 16:54 |
| d0ugal | ... or in gerrit! | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks guys | 16:54 |
| d0ugal | cya | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | pleasure to work with you | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | bye | 16:54 |
| mgershen | bye | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 16:55:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-02-13-16.01.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-02-13-16.01.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-02-13-16.01.log.html | 16:55 |
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| emagana | we are going to start UC meeting! | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 19:00 |
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| emagana | #startmeeting uc | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 13 19:01:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 19:01 |
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| emagana | I would like to start the meeting by asking how many people we have around. Please, say hi! | 19:01 |
| leong | hi! | 19:01 |
| ekhugen_ | hi! | 19:02 |
| emagana | I sent the reminder last minute today. So, it is my fault but I everything it could go wrong in our deployments just happened last weekend. | 19:02 |
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| mrhillsman | hi | 19:02 |
| mrhillsman | hi! | 19:02 |
| shamail | hi everyone | 19:02 |
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| maishsk | o/ | 19:03 |
| maishsk | Hello all | 19:03 |
| emagana | Hello all! | 19:04 |
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| emagana | #topic UC-Election | 19:04 |
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| emagana | Ok, emails are out | 19:05 |
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| emagana | I was wondering if we have concerns or anything that we should discuss about our first election | 19:06 |
| shamail | How many AUCs do we have at this point? | 19:06 |
| shamail | Did we manage to account for the newer WGs? | 19:06 |
| emagana | God one! I do not have the number on hand but I think it was around 350ish | 19:06 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 19:07 |
| emagana | good* | 19:07 |
| leong | are those AUC over the past 6 moths? | 19:07 |
| emagana | correct | 19:07 |
| shamail | Sounds good, it was around 260 in Barcelona | 19:07 |
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| shamail | No concerns, thanks for making it happen so quickly and a thanks to the election committee as well for their hard work! | 19:08 |
| emagana | so the numbers are what we should be expecting, UC still needs to review the AUC members for LCOO. | 19:08 |
| docaedo | o/ | 19:09 |
| mrhillsman | No concerns with me either. | 19:09 |
| shamail | emagana: +1, the organization vs individual voters has to be hashed out. | 19:09 |
| emagana | @action emagana and uc review that LCOO membership is correct | 19:09 |
| shamail | I agree with Jeremy that AUCs should be individuals | 19:09 |
| leong | +1 AUC should be individuals | 19:09 |
| ekhugen_ | shamail +1 | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:10 |
| emagana | my only concern is this one: We should provide AUC based on: WG membership AND active work. | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | -1 on the wg membership | 19:11 |
| emagana | For instance, I can have a WG and just showing up to an IRC meeting should NOT grant me AUC status. Otherwise, everybody could end up being an AUC | 19:11 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: This is why I said both not just membership. | 19:11 |
| shamail | emagana: +1, the current criteria emphasized activity (and how we can define the metrics to show it) | 19:11 |
| maishsk | agreed - participation was a key element | 19:11 |
| shamail | Agree, the current critiera is show up to meetings + log over 25 lines in 4 meetings or 100 in 1. | 19:12 |
| leong | participation and contribution is key | 19:12 |
| shamail | I see the issue with LCOO though since their activity is not in systems that we leverage. | 19:12 |
| emagana | the hard part is to measure the "activiness" | 19:12 |
| docaedo | that's pretty tricky measurement, many meetings take place over phone or google hangouts, and some of the WGs never use IRC as far as I understand | 19:12 |
| leong | but there might be "gray area" on the definition of "participation" | 19:12 |
| shamail | I wonder if the current "Non IRC WG" method could work for them? (WG chair submits list based on etherpad attendance/participation) | 19:13 |
| emagana | Anyway, this is a challenge that we need to solve. | 19:13 |
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| ekhugen_ | for non IRC WGs, is it possible that they do a lot over email? | 19:13 |
| docaedo | +1 to WG chairs determining participation at least - they know who is actually contributing, etc. | 19:14 |
| ekhugen_ | I know WOO doesn't do IRC meetings, but we do have a listserv | 19:14 |
| shamail | ekhugen_: not normally, for example Enterprise WG does a lot in etherpads but ML is fairly idle. | 19:14 |
| docaedo | ekhugen_: if that were the case one would hope the email conversation happens on the user-committee mailing list (rather than a bespoke one of their own) | 19:14 |
| emagana | In my mind, I would like to potentially remove the WG relationship. So, if you are part of a WG and you provide contribution they should be part of any of the other AUC criteria. So, the membership and active participation is redundant at that time. | 19:15 |
| leong | maybe that can be a topic of discussion at Forum on "AUC criteria" | 19:15 |
| shamail | ekhugen_: for AUC in the past, we asked Megan to help collect a list of active WOO members... need a longer term solution though eventually. Agree with emagana, needs a solution eventually. | 19:15 |
| ekhugen_ | that's fair, I don't know why we ended up with a separate listserv there | 19:15 |
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| shamail | emagana: it is fairly redundant already because anyone performing activities would be considered a member anyway. | 19:16 |
| mrhillsman | agree with removing the wg relationship as a criteria and possibly forum discussion on criteria | 19:16 |
| shamail | ekhugen_: we did that too, we have recently shut down our MLs and standardized on User Committee ML. | 19:16 |
| shamail | +1 to forum discussion | 19:16 |
| jamemcc | Hi - I'm sorry I'm late - Herer to asnwer any questions and help represent LCOO | 19:16 |
| emagana | Thanks for joining jamemcc | 19:17 |
| leong | hi jamemcc | 19:17 |
| docaedo | +1 on AUC criteria being important topic at the forum | 19:17 |
| emagana | We were just discussion how we can be sure we have AUC membership properly given | 19:17 |
| emagana | #action During the forum UC will discuss AUC assignment based on WG membership. (I know it sounds a bit confusing) | 19:18 |
| emagana | but should we wait until the forum or we should start in the ML? | 19:18 |
| maishsk | +1 for starting on the ML | 19:19 |
| docaedo | emagana: definitely start on the mailing list IMO | 19:19 |
| jamemcc | Yeh - thanks, important to LCOO | 19:19 |
| emagana | maybe we need a good AUC list for the Forum, so we will have the problem again in two months | 19:19 |
| mrhillsman | ML can feed into forum if not completed | 19:19 |
| mrhillsman | at least get the thoughts churning | 19:19 |
| jamemcc | I'd like to bring some of my thoughts into the ML | 19:19 |
| emagana | @action emagana and uc start the discussion on ML. | 19:19 |
| shamail | emagana: please use #action | 19:20 |
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| emagana | jamemcc: you missed a previous action item but I will review today LCOO AUC membership. I want to be sure that we are all happy about it. I have been traveling and I could not respond your last email. | 19:20 |
| emagana | arrgghhhh thanks shamail | 19:21 |
| emagana | #action emagana and uc start the discussion on ML. | 19:21 |
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| emagana | Ok. Are we good with how the election is going on so far? | 19:21 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:21 |
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| jamemcc | THanks - appreciate it - I'm caught up in the whole meeting | 19:21 |
| emagana | Anyone, what to brings a point on this topic? | 19:21 |
| docaedo | I am - got my CIVS and voted this morning ;) | 19:21 |
| emagana | Yes, I also voted already! It felt good to be honest. I was looking for this from the first day I became UC | 19:22 |
| maishsk | :) | 19:22 |
| emagana | ok.. moving on. | 19:22 |
| emagana | #topic PTG activities from UC members | 19:23 |
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| emagana | Just wanted to have some time to discuss anything related to PTG. As you know the PTG is focus on the development side but I know some AUC folks will be there and wanted to meet. | 19:23 |
| emagana | Anything that is worth to discuss here? | 19:23 |
| emagana | I will take that silence as: "No, we are all good and we want to end this meeting soon" .. ok! point taken | 19:25 |
| maishsk | :) | 19:25 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 19:25 |
| emagana | #Boston Planning | 19:25 |
| emagana | #topic Boston Planning | 19:25 |
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| shamail | lol emagana | 19:25 |
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| emagana | I assume that all WGs have requested time via the CFS already. | 19:25 |
| jamemcc | Yes | 19:26 |
| docaedo | app dev enablement has | 19:26 |
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| emagana | I really like that this time we were able to allocate sessions for WG and UC in general without affecting our three chances to submit a CFS topic. | 19:26 |
| shamail | PWG has as well | 19:26 |
| emagana | That was great! | 19:26 |
| shamail | emagana: +1 | 19:26 |
| leong | Same for EWG | 19:26 |
| jamemcc | I can speak for LCOO, Telco/NFV and Massive Scalable | 19:26 |
| emagana | awesome! jamemcc docaedo shamail leong | 19:27 |
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| emagana | I also noticed Logging WG had a last minute request. Not sure if that was granted but I could help if needed | 19:27 |
| emagana | Please, provide an update as soon as you know about the schedule for the Boston event. | 19:28 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, we have an effort to revive that hopefully | 19:28 |
| mrhillsman | and i believe rocky would like to see the same | 19:28 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: Great. I know Rocky is very positive about it. | 19:28 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: is OsOps going to request space in Boston? | 19:28 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: I hope they did! | 19:28 |
| shamail | OSOps* | 19:28 |
| mrhillsman | not as of right now, we still need to understand the direction | 19:29 |
| jamemcc | We asked for a Birds of the Feather for LCOO as well since new and seems so much enthusiasm (my spin) | 19:29 |
| mrhillsman | wanted to get your thoughts on that emagana via email (you mentioned something previously) | 19:29 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: sounds good. We can always have a un-conference session. | 19:29 |
| shamail | mrhillsman and emagana: would it be easier to request it for now and cancel if not needed (versus trying to get a room later on)? | 19:29 |
| mrhillsman | agreed shamail | 19:30 |
| shamail | Or too late already? | 19:30 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:30 |
| emagana | maybe too late. | 19:30 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 19:30 |
| jamemcc | Seems to me there may be a place for 2 sessions in this pattern for many WG. The main one for us is supposed to be more of the face to face and get business already known done. | 19:30 |
| shamail | Unconf it is! | 19:30 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 19:30 |
| emagana | Go for it and try it. If not possible we can talk directly with the Foundation members to see what we can do. | 19:30 |
| jamemcc | BoF session would be more of the let anyone talk about anything session | 19:30 |
| emagana | Obviously, I do not want to give the impression that we can just avoid the process and guarantee space. No, I do not want to give that impression. | 19:31 |
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| shamail | jamemcc: +1 that is a good approach because if you do one session then most of it will be spent on answering questions for new attendees | 19:31 |
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| emagana | let's move on. | 19:31 |
| emagana | #topic WGs Updates | 19:32 |
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| shamail | emagana: we had a topic on forum planning from PWG on agenda as well. | 19:32 |
| leong | Product WG is making a proposal to help facilitate the Boston Forum | 19:32 |
| leong | here a link to the slide decks | 19:32 |
| emagana | I want to make this a regular topic. Just to have the opportunity for WGs chairs to share anything that they want on the working activities for their respective WGs | 19:32 |
| leong | #PWG Proposal for Forum: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit#slide=id.g1c401aad5d_0_142 | 19:32 |
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| leong | emagana: shall we discuss the PWG proposal? | 19:33 |
| emagana | Let's start with shamail, is there something to discuss here or just FYI? | 19:33 |
| leong | shamail and I are here to dscuss :-) | 19:33 |
| jamemcc | @emagana Agreed that that's somethign we do each UC and that in general each WG chair should be attending here of possible to interact. | 19:34 |
| jamemcc | I think that this weekt hough the time is better spent on PWG proposal | 19:34 |
| shamail | There is something to discuss. Leong has a proposal which we would like to share and see if the UC would be willing to pursue it. | 19:34 |
| leong | please find the above link to that proposal.. generally can focus on last slide | 19:35 |
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| leong | #link Proposal for Forum: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit#slide=id.g1c401aad5d_0_142 | 19:35 |
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| emagana | I will need time for reading the slides. You probably sent them before over ML but I have not got time to go over them. | 19:35 |
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| leong | PWG is proposing if we can help to do some pre-forum planning as well as post-forum analysis | 19:36 |
| emagana | Did you have any initial feedback from the rest of the UC members? | 19:36 |
| maishsk | So I like the idea of providing a template | 19:36 |
| shamail | emagana: Before we dive in. How do you want to proceed? WG updates first or change topic? | 19:36 |
| leong | i haven't receive anything from UC members | 19:36 |
| emagana | shamail: Let's change topic. | 19:36 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:36 |
| shamail | emagana: we haven't proposed it yet because we wanted permission from UC first to facilitate | 19:36 |
| emagana | #topic PWG proposal review | 19:36 |
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| leong | +1 shamail | 19:37 |
| emagana | shamail: Have you sent the proposal to UC already? | 19:37 |
| emagana | only UC is what I meant? | 19:37 |
| leong | it was brought up in previous UC meeting.. | 19:37 |
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| emagana | Ok, this is what I missed. | 19:38 |
| shamail | emagana: Leong and I have not yet since it depends on the PWG's role being a horizontal one inside the UC WG structure. We have talked about this before but we have not done anything yet that would actually formalize this (this would be the first activity in that scope) | 19:38 |
| shamail | leong: want to run through it first and then we can discuss? | 19:38 |
| emagana | shamail: Could you clarify this: PWG's role being a horizontal one inside the UC WG structure | 19:38 |
| leong | yup.. our plan is to discuss with UC first before formaizing it | 19:39 |
| emagana | leong: that's the right approach | 19:39 |
| shamail | emagana: yes, horizontal as in a WG that can help aggregate and work with other WGs (we have called this "the funnel" in the past) | 19:39 |
| shamail | Essentially what slide 1 shows | 19:40 |
| jamemcc | +1 on the need for a team to faciliate the funnel | 19:40 |
| emagana | shamail: OK. I think makes sense to start contacting directly Jon and Shilla but I also think that we should wait until the end of the election to get the 5 UC members to comment on it. | 19:41 |
| maishsk | shamail: Can you explain a bit more about the benefit of having the PWG acting as a funnel? | 19:41 |
| leong | that might be a good point: emagana | 19:41 |
| shamail | PWG = Partner with UC to help our WGs document and progress user stories. Unlike other working groups, we don't try to generate stories on our own from a market/user perspective but we help WGs that are representing user needs document them and build an action plan. | 19:41 |
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| jamemcc | Alternative is for the UC to come up with some other sub-team - but why would we when the PWG is volunteering and appropriately interested | 19:41 |
| shamail | some user stories are generated from our team but our goal would be to get and track more stories from Enterprise, LCOO, Telco, Scientific, Logging, etc. and help document, build a plan, and execute. PWG is more of a group of SMEs on Product management best practices. | 19:43 |
| shamail | maishsk: does that address your question? | 19:43 |
| mrhillsman | i think pwg is an excellent piece of the puzzle | 19:43 |
| leong | this can also help to facilitate activities across WGs if following the User Story workflow | 19:43 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:43 |
| shamail | leong: +1 | 19:44 |
| emagana | shamail and leong what about if you prepare an email to UC explaining the proposal and requesting time to discuss it. | 19:44 |
| shamail | emagana: +1 we can do that | 19:44 |
| emagana | I do not want to talk in behalf of the entire UC on this area. | 19:44 |
| maishsk | shamail: sounds like a nice plan - and I also agree with emagana - that we wait to hear until after the elections to get full buy in from the whole entire UC | 19:44 |
| leong | sure emagana | 19:44 |
| emagana | it is just me.. | 19:44 |
| maishsk | we should* | 19:44 |
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| leong | i will work with Shamail and prepare an email for that.. maybe sent out after the end of UC election? | 19:45 |
| shamail | Okay so... | 19:45 |
| maishsk | (and emagana thought we wanted to get this meeting over and done with…) : ) | 19:45 |
| emagana | #action shamail leong send a request for feedback on the PWG proposal to UC members after the election in order to include the new two members. | 19:45 |
| shamail | leong: will send an email to UC with summary | 19:45 |
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| leong | +1 shamail | 19:45 |
| shamail | We will also be glad to answer questions from anyone else :) | 19:45 |
| shamail | We can decide on proposal after UC = 5 | 19:45 |
| leong | nice | 19:45 |
| emagana | maishsk: I have two guys talking next to me about our OpenStack issues. I thought I could get time back.. lol | 19:45 |
| shamail | lol | 19:46 |
| shamail | emagana: solve all issues by upgrading to Ocata xD | 19:46 |
| emagana | some days I feel I should not be in Ops | 19:46 |
| emagana | LOL | 19:46 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 19:46 |
| shamail | Sorry for the distraction, thanks for giving leong and I a path forward. | 19:47 |
| emagana | shamail: The worse part is that the issues are not OpenStack ones, are related to the whole INF and OPS ecosystem around it. | 19:47 |
| shamail | That's really common | 19:47 |
| emagana | ok... next topic.. ok? | 19:47 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 19:47 |
| leong | +1 | 19:47 |
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| emagana | #topic WGs Updates | 19:47 |
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| emagana | As I said before. I want to make this topic a regular one. | 19:48 |
| shamail | emagana: +1 | 19:48 |
| jamemcc | +1 | 19:48 |
| emagana | Space for WG chairs to share their progress and potential impediments. Not a force one but will be nice to have all WGs sharing. | 19:48 |
| shamail | emagana: could we add something to the wiki where chairs can update the status each week? This will allow greater external visibility as well. | 19:48 |
| emagana | Ok, anyone? | 19:48 |
| leong | emagana +1 | 19:48 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:49 |
| docaedo | I can throw out a quick off-the-cuff update for app dev enabling WG | 19:49 |
| emagana | shamail: good point! +1 | 19:49 |
| shamail | And we could use this time in meetings to discuss specific concerns, blockers, etc | 19:49 |
| docaedo | also +1 for wiki | 19:49 |
| leong | should let all WG chairs aware about this regular agenda | 19:49 |
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| emagana | leong is giving me a lot of action items! :-) | 19:49 |
| jamemcc | So as a proposal for what the WGs would come with - #1 any big changes in approach, scope so that it could be vetted and assisted by the other WGs | 19:50 |
| leong | and maybe also a regular F2F WG meeting at summit | 19:50 |
| emagana | #action emagana let to know via ML to all WGs chairs about the wiki updates. | 19:50 |
| mrhillsman | feel free to action me something | 19:50 |
| leong | lol emagana | 19:50 |
| jamemcc | #2 Announcement of any new User Stories - kind of the same thing but a level down. | 19:50 |
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| shamail | emagana: good point leong... on that note, could we also set criteria that when you become a UC WG one of your chairs must make this meeting at least once a month? Miss two months and your WG will be marked inactive? (I know this is another topic that should wait for full UC but wanted to throw it out before I forget) | 19:50 |
| jamemcc | #3 Questions/Ideas from the WG members that seem to come up to the higher level. | 19:51 |
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| emagana | shamail: That very hard rule should be discuss as a team in the Forum. | 19:51 |
| emagana | discussed* | 19:51 |
| leong | it is important to make sure all UC WG are engaged and communicated across.. | 19:51 |
| shamail | emagana: same as mrhillsman , feel free to assign actions. | 19:51 |
| shamail | emagana: +1 | 19:51 |
| docaedo | shamail: I agree with discussion, but I also agree something like that should be a rule (and if I get on the committee I'm going to work to formalize a lot of how WGs operate so it's not so much the wild west ;) ) | 19:52 |
| emagana | let's continue this conversation in our next IRC meeting. | 19:52 |
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| mrhillsman | docaedo agreed i think no matter who is added should definitely have some formalization as much as possible | 19:53 |
| mrhillsman | i'll be helping no matter the outcome | 19:53 |
| shamail | docaedo: +1, same | 19:53 |
| emagana | docaedo: I like the spirit! | 19:54 |
| emagana | For sure WGs activities and process need to be formalized. | 19:54 |
| emagana | but not in this meeting. | 19:54 |
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| leong | that will be a "2017 goal" for UC as a whole | 19:55 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 19:55 |
| leong | :) | 19:55 |
| emagana | We are running out of time/ | 19:55 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:55 |
| emagana | I want to finish the meeting now because I need to jump into other work things if you folks do not mind. | 19:55 |
| mrhillsman | nothing from me | 19:55 |
| docaedo | works for me, thanks emagana | 19:56 |
| maishsk | emagana: thanks for running a tight ship | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | thanks emagana and everyone | 19:56 |
| emagana | but feel free to continue any conversation in the #openstack-uc channel. | 19:56 |
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| shamail | Thanks emagana | 19:56 |
| leong | thanks emagana | 19:56 |
| emagana | Thank you all! | 19:56 |
| emagana | In two weeks we should have our new UC members! Good luck to all the candidates! | 19:56 |
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| emagana | emagana out! | 19:56 |
| AndyU | indeed. good luck all. | 19:56 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-02-13-19.01.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-02-13-19.01.txt | 19:57 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting stable | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 13 21:01:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 21:01 |
| tonyb | #topic rollcall ..... who's here? | 21:01 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus, ihrachys_: ? | 21:02 |
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| sigmavirus | o/ | 21:02 |
| ihrachys_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| tonyb | I haven't made a agenda but there are 3 things to talk about today | 21:03 |
| tonyb | 1) PTG, 2) Phase shifting in April and 3) EOLing liberty | 21:03 |
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| tonyb | #topic EOLing liberty | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "EOLing liberty (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:04 | |
| tonyb | It looks like I've let this drag on too long .... the repos still to be EOL'd are at https://gist.github.com/tbreeds/93cd346c37aa46269456f56649f0a4ac#file-liberty_eol_data-txt | 21:04 |
| tonyb | that'll leave requirements, devstack and devstack-gate to do last. | 21:05 |
| tonyb | I did a quick scan of os-dev and it looks like I droppped the ball :( I'll follow-up once the kids are at school | 21:05 |
| sigmavirus | :thumbsup: | 21:05 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: slacker :D | 21:05 |
| tonyb | There is a small wart with group-based-policy (https://gist.github.com/tbreeds/93cd346c37aa46269456f56649f0a4ac#file-liberty_eol_data-txt-L160) | 21:06 |
| sigmavirus | I admit it, I use slackware ;) | 21:06 |
| tonyb | once we EOL requirements, devstack and devstack-gate they wont have a liberty gate, so I need to close that gap | 21:06 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: :) | 21:06 |
| ihrachys_ | gbp was always 'special' | 21:06 |
| tonyb | ihrachys_: Yeah. I think it's 90% not really understand what the gate is doing but I'll help them work through that | 21:07 |
| tonyb | once we have removed all the liberty branches I can start on the < liberty branches haning around | 21:07 |
| tonyb | IMO there is no need for any of them but PTLs may disagree | 21:08 |
| tonyb | several PTLs have asked to get the branches removed so thats good :) | 21:08 |
| tonyb | thoughts? | 21:09 |
| * sigmavirus isn't familiar with group-based-policy and thus has no thoughts, frankly | 21:09 | |
| * ihrachys_ cheers | 21:10 | |
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| ihrachys | go tonyb | 21:10 |
| ihrachys | :) | 21:10 |
| tonyb | LOL | 21:10 |
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| tonyb | #topic Phase shifting in April | 21:10 |
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| tonyb | I may have the date a little wrong but I think that's aboput 6montsh after we released newton. At that point we want to do the Phase I -> Phase II shift and *try* to get releases made for important stuff at about that time | 21:12 |
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| tonyb | asside from emailign all the PTLs saying basically that does anyone have any great ideas on how to do that better? | 21:12 |
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| tonyb | I did consider genrateing and uploading a bunch of changes to openstack/releases but I think that punished the releases managers for no good outcome | 21:12 |
| ihrachys | yeah, encourage releasing on the phase boundary | 21:13 |
| ihrachys | and leave them to follow the process | 21:13 |
| tonyb | .... I s'pose I could genrate the yaml and email that to the PTLs to help them do it quickly ? | 21:13 |
| sigmavirus | I agree | 21:13 |
| ihrachys | tonyb: I don't think there should be a problem generating a new release; if there is, they have a general problem releasing a thing :) | 21:13 |
| * tonyb should re-generate his "Add CPLs to governance' chnage to make that easier to find and update ... | 21:14 | |
| sigmavirus | ihrachys: yeah, the gate is never unstable ;) | 21:14 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: I'm pretty sure there's a wiki somewhere | 21:14 |
| tonyb | ihrachys: true. | 21:14 |
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| ihrachys | sigmavirus: I mean, tools wise; I don't say gate is pretty | 21:14 |
| sigmavirus | ah, got it | 21:14 |
| ihrachys | generate a patch is easy | 21:14 |
| sigmavirus | absolutey | 21:14 |
| sigmavirus | *absolutely | 21:14 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: It is but it's a little awkward to get at for a script .. not impossible just awkward | 21:14 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: I tease | 21:15 |
| ihrachys | tonyb: CPLs? | 21:15 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: news at 11 ;P | 21:15 |
| tonyb | ihrachys: Cross Project Liasons | 21:15 |
| ihrachys | ack | 21:15 |
| sigmavirus | I think you're missing an i | 21:16 |
| tonyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336395/ | 21:16 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: quite probably that word and constraints I always mess up | 21:17 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: which makes working on requirements and excercise in self irritation ;P | 21:17 |
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| sigmavirus | :D | 21:17 |
| tonyb | #topic PTG | 21:18 |
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| * sigmavirus has to let the assessor in | 21:18 | |
| tonyb | So I know that sigmavirus wont be there .. ihrachys will you? | 21:18 |
| ihrachys | I will | 21:18 |
| ihrachys | I haven't checked sched though | 21:18 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 21:18 |
| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/relmgt-stable-requirements-ptg-pike | 21:18 |
| tonyb | we notionally have Monday Morning in the release/stable/requirements room | 21:19 |
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| tonyb | BUT we don't really have a lot to talk about ... well nothing formal | 21:19 |
| tonyb | so Ideas welcome otherwise we can do a tols hackfest / general chat about what we can do differently | 21:20 |
| ihrachys | warning: I may ramble about proactive backports during sessions; if I do, call medics. | 21:21 |
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| tonyb | ihrachys: :) | 21:21 |
| * tonyb almost wanted an afternoon session so it could happen in a bar but that's probably counter productive :/ | 21:22 | |
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| tonyb | Also I get in at 2000 on Sunday so I may not be at my best on Monday morning | 21:22 |
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| * ihrachys arrives in the evening too | 21:23 | |
| ihrachys | though I am not that far now, time zone wise, so I hope to be fresh | 21:23 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:23 |
| tonyb | ihrachys: how long in transit? | 21:23 |
| ihrachys | 5h | 21:23 |
| ihrachys | not bad | 21:23 |
| tonyb | ihrachys: Oh wow yeah that's pretty good actually | 21:23 |
| ihrachys | yeah. I was happy to move, till I heard next summits are planned to outside US :-o | 21:24 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: I saw a thread abotu remote participation but it kinda fizzled so I'm not counting on that :( | 21:24 |
| tonyb | ihrachys: :) | 21:24 |
| tonyb | The Sudney summit is only a 3hr *drive* \o/ | 21:25 |
| tonyb | *Sydney* | 21:25 |
| tonyb | that's my kiwi accent showing | 21:25 |
| ihrachys | haha, that's probably a once in a lifetime for you ;) | 21:25 |
| * tonyb expects the Sydney event to be pretty small | 21:25 | |
| tonyb | ihrachys: Yup. | 21:25 |
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| tonyb | So add ideas to that etherpad we can filter on the day or abort if there isn'y anything helpful | 21:26 |
| tonyb | #topic open discussion | 21:26 |
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| tonyb | Anyone? | 21:26 |
| ihrachys | nah | 21:26 |
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| tonyb | okay I'll end this thing and get the kids to school | 21:29 |
| tonyb | Thanks all! | 21:29 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 21:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 21:29:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-02-13-21.01.html | 21:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-02-13-21.01.txt | 21:29 |
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| Patifa | Hi all.. | 22:00 |
| cbsterrett | Hi | 22:00 |
| Patifa | it's time! | 22:00 |
| Patifa | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 13 22:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Patifa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
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| Patifa | Agenda can be found on our etherpad | 22:00 |
| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_Feb_13_App_Dev_Enablement | 22:00 |
| Patifa | #topic rollcall | 22:01 |
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| Patifa | anyone for the App Dev Enablement WG meeting? | 22:01 |
| cbsterrett | Hi | 22:01 |
| Patifa | hey cbsterrett | 22:02 |
| Patifa | anyone? | 22:02 |
| vhdiaz | zuup | 22:02 |
| Patifa | hey vhdiaz! | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | We have the usual suspects... let's give folks a few more min to see if we have any non-Intel participants | 22:04 |
| Patifa | guess not! | 22:05 |
| notmars | Hi | 22:05 |
| notmars | I am a non-Intel participant :P | 22:05 |
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| Patifa | Hi notmars! | 22:06 |
| notmars | I must, I'm probably THE non-Intel participant :P | 22:06 |
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| Patifa | :D thanks for coming! let's move on! | 22:06 |
| Patifa | #topic dev.o.o | 22:06 |
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| Patifa | Craig worked on a proposal for changes in the dev.o.o site. You can see them here: | 22:07 |
| Patifa | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_Feb_13_App_Dev_Enablement | 22:07 |
| Patifa | cbsterrett can you explain what you've proposed? | 22:08 |
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| cbsterrett | The page was totally focused on the SDK's and API. I added more of the flow that I went through when learning to develop on OpenStack | 22:08 |
| cbsterrett | I added a section on where to find a Dev environment, links to the FirstApp, links to the enterprise WG reference architectures | 22:09 |
| cbsterrett | All of the changes are really in the top.jpg file, the other two files just show the rest of the SDK and API section which I didn't change | 22:09 |
| notmars | I like it, it's a great first step I think | 22:10 |
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| cbsterrett | We have talked about adding in information for PaaS, but I have not done that yet. The thought was we would link to another page with more of a PaaS marketplace feel | 22:10 |
| cbsterrett | It is easier to add to what is there than re-write it all. Changing format would require a lot more input from the foundation | 22:11 |
| Patifa | I think we can consider this a solid first step and we can continue the discussion for PaaS for a second iteration.. | 22:11 |
| cbsterrett | notmars: have anything to add to it? | 22:11 |
| notmars | ultimately, I would do the same regarding SDKs...like putting all the business somewhere like http://sdk.openstack.org | 22:11 |
| notmars | and having a pure 'welcome developer' page | 22:12 |
| notmars | but let's start here | 22:12 |
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| notmars | and we can slowly move the part in the screenshot 'middle' somewhere like sdk.openstack.org later :) | 22:13 |
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| cbsterrett | There is also this page https://www.openstack.org/appdev/ | 22:13 |
| notmars | one should strongly link to the other, no ? | 22:14 |
| cbsterrett | I can either send it out to the mail list for more input, or just take the AR to make the change now | 22:14 |
| notmars | I would put the change for review | 22:14 |
| Patifa | +1 | 22:14 |
| notmars | if nobody react | 22:15 |
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| notmars | then we go forward | 22:15 |
| notmars | :) | 22:15 |
| vhdiaz | +1 | 22:15 |
| cbsterrett | You mean review in the mail list? | 22:15 |
| Patifa | review=list? | 22:15 |
| notmars | yeah, sorry for the ambiguity, mailing list | 22:15 |
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| Patifa | Go for it cbsterrett | 22:16 |
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| notmars | we just have to assess the reaction next week | 22:16 |
| Patifa | #action cbsterrett send proposal to ML to review. | 22:16 |
| notmars | and proceed from there (if it's positive) or reasses | 22:16 |
| cbsterrett | ok | 22:17 |
| Patifa | Great! Do we want to start talking about a second iteration - like how to add PaaS content now or put it to the list to? | 22:18 |
| cbsterrett | How do we go about adding PaaS info, just promote OpenSource solutions? | 22:19 |
| cbsterrett | Or get feedback from the foundation on what PaaS solutions they may be working with? | 22:19 |
| Patifa | Yep.. It kind of ties to the second item in the agenda - to build relatonships with platforms whose audience is App Devs | 22:19 |
| vhdiaz | I think we should know what is the Foundation's point of view about PaaS | 22:20 |
| vhdiaz | or what is the angle about promoting solutions | 22:20 |
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| cbsterrett | That is how I feel, I think we need some support from the foundation before promoting non-OpenStack on OpenStack web sites | 22:21 |
| notmars | agreed | 22:21 |
| Patifa | same here | 22:21 |
| cbsterrett | OK we will add PaaS in phase 2 | 22:21 |
| Patifa | any actions for now? | 22:22 |
| cbsterrett | For topic 2? If so we were going to write up a general statement of what we were hoping the companies would provide/support | 22:22 |
| Patifa | let's move on to the next topic.. the action might be there ;) | 22:22 |
| cbsterrett | yep | 22:23 |
| Patifa | #topic build relationships with platforms whose audience is AppDev | 22:23 |
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| Patifa | there you go! | 22:23 |
| cbsterrett | I think we do need an action to talk to Flanders about what we need to do before promoting PaaS | 22:23 |
| cbsterrett | I can take it | 22:23 |
| notmars | +1 | 22:24 |
| Patifa | #action talk to Flanders about what we need to do before promoting PaaS | 22:24 |
| Patifa | damn | 22:24 |
| Patifa | #action cbsterrett talk to Flanders about what we need to do before promoting PaaS | 22:24 |
| Patifa | I had the action of contacting OneOps, but I felt like I needed a good pitch as to why it'd be interesting for them to help the WG | 22:25 |
| notmars | I also think that meeting the platform eye to eye at the summit would be easier to get them on board | 22:26 |
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| cbsterrett | Yeah I think we need to come up with a pitch, why join the App Dev Enablement WG | 22:26 |
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| Patifa | So, create a pitch... chat with them at the summit? | 22:26 |
| cbsterrett | +1 | 22:27 |
| notmars | that would be good first steps there ! | 22:27 |
| notmars | +1 | 22:27 |
| vhdiaz | +1 | 22:27 |
| Patifa | so there are two actions here? work on the pitch and make sure we have a session to approach the platforms? | 22:28 |
| notmars | I would do it organically honestly at first | 22:29 |
| notmars | we just have to know who's who | 22:29 |
| notmars | and try to squeeze some time with them | 22:29 |
| notmars | just to see how the pitch is received | 22:29 |
| notmars | but it's just me :) | 22:29 |
| cbsterrett | Yeah we may have to just hit some up at the marketplace | 22:30 |
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| notmars | I fear a formal event will be neglected by them | 22:31 |
| Patifa | true true | 22:31 |
| Patifa | so we work on the pitch.. divide and conquer | 22:31 |
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| notmars | at this stage, I,d say we need to make the first move ;) | 22:31 |
| notmars | yup | 22:31 |
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| cbsterrett | sounds good | 22:32 |
| Patifa | before the summit we should have a plan of who to approach and get volunteers to do that | 22:32 |
| notmars | yup | 22:32 |
| cbsterrett | yep | 22:32 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa keep item on agenda until summit to create a list of platforms to approach and volunteers | 22:33 |
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| Patifa | but we need to work on the pitch... is this something we want to take to the ML or just use the meetings to whip up a first copy? | 22:34 |
| Patifa | oh wait | 22:34 |
| Patifa | #topic pitch | 22:34 |
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| notmars | I'd draft in the WG | 22:35 |
| notmars | and then publicize for comment | 22:35 |
| cbsterrett | someone may need to take a first stab at it since our attendance is so low | 22:35 |
| notmars | hmmm | 22:35 |
| * notmars feel like eyes are slowly moving towards him | 22:35 | |
| Patifa | we can take a stab now.. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-dev-wg-pitch | 22:35 |
| cbsterrett | LOL | 22:36 |
| Patifa | ;) don't worry notmars... we have your back | 22:36 |
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| notmars | I tried | 22:39 |
| notmars | :P | 22:39 |
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| Patifa | That's a good start.. I'll copy it to the pitch etherpad | 22:40 |
| notmars | tsk :) | 22:40 |
| notmars | tks | 22:40 |
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| notmars | cool | 22:42 |
| cbsterrett | In the pitch do we want to ask them to join this meeting? If so what would this bring to them? Or are we just offering to put some advertisement on the openstack web page and then ask for other favors? | 22:42 |
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| notmars | hmm | 22:43 |
| notmars | good question, I'd say let's start small | 22:43 |
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| Patifa | i'd love to have them join this forum | 22:43 |
| cbsterrett | It would be nice to know what we could do for them in this group | 22:43 |
| cbsterrett | yep | 22:43 |
| cbsterrett | We have talked about taking more of a PaaS focus, but not really what that means yet | 22:44 |
| notmars | one good way would be to ensure we always consider their agenda | 22:44 |
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| Patifa | and also what we could offer on the behalf of the foundation | 22:45 |
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| notmars | if we say 'we'll be there for you representing you and your agenda inside other's WG/teams', I think that's an attractive proposition for them | 22:45 |
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| Patifa | 15 min | 22:46 |
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| cbsterrett | I think we need to know from Flanders what is the foundation planning on doing for htem | 22:46 |
| notmars | yup | 22:46 |
| notmars | strongly agreed | 22:46 |
| Patifa | ok! action here!! uhu!!! | 22:46 |
| notmars | get flanders to spill the beans ? :P | 22:47 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa to chat with Flanders about foundation support intentions for PaaS/CaaS platforms - to add to pitch | 22:47 |
| cbsterrett | Is that duplicate to my action? | 22:48 |
| cbsterrett | "talk to Flanders about what we need to do before promoting PaaS" | 22:48 |
| cbsterrett | we can combine into one meeting | 22:48 |
| cbsterrett | team up on him | 22:48 |
| Patifa | sure.. I like that | 22:48 |
| Patifa | :D | 22:48 |
| notmars | that would be a great to make sure he doesn't slip somewhere far :) | 22:48 |
| notmars | +1 | 22:48 |
| Patifa | alright Craig.. you got my action. ;P | 22:49 |
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| Patifa | I'll keep the topic on the agenda! I can start a straw man for the presentation/pitch for next meeting | 22:51 |
| notmars | +1 | 22:51 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa start pitch straw man for next meeting | 22:52 |
| Patifa | Oops! Next meeting.. it's a holiday (Intel US at least) | 22:52 |
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| cbsterrett | We may need to post on the news group since notmars will not make the phone meeting anyhow | 22:53 |
| notmars | lucky you | 22:53 |
| notmars | ahahaha | 22:53 |
| notmars | yes please | 22:53 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa to chat with docaedo to see if he'll be available to run meeting. | 22:53 |
| Patifa | ok 5 min... next topic, opens or call it the day? | 22:54 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to host next weeks meeting (which will be a phone meeting) | 22:55 |
| notmars | call it :) | 22:55 |
| Patifa | thks docaedo! | 22:55 |
| cbsterrett | LOL see who is listening | 22:55 |
| Patifa | I'll have a drink for you that day | 22:55 |
| docaedo | No need, I'll be drinking on the call! | 22:55 |
| notmars | works for me | 22:56 |
| Patifa | I really like your style, docaedo :D | 22:56 |
| docaedo | I do my best! | 22:56 |
| Patifa | ok folks, thanks for the time! | 22:56 |
| Patifa | #endmeeting | 22:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 13 22:56:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2017/app_ecosystem_wg.2017-02-13-22.00.html | 22:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2017/app_ecosystem_wg.2017-02-13-22.00.txt | 22:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2017/app_ecosystem_wg.2017-02-13-22.00.log.html | 22:56 |
| Patifa | have a great rest of the day! | 22:57 |
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