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| StefanPaetowJisc | Ah, am an hour early | 08:08 |
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| b1airo | Hi oneswig | 08:59 |
| priteau | Hello | 08:59 |
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| oneswig | Greetings... | 08:59 |
| b1airo | Hi priteau | 08:59 |
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| oneswig | ready? | 09:00 |
| b1airo | I'm afraid the wheels have fallen off here a bit this evening so I'm going to be a bit ephemeral | 09:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 09:00:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | b1airo: ah. Never mind - half a Blair's better than none | 09:00 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:00 |
| oneswig | just in case... | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Good morning/evening all | 09:01 |
| oneswig | #link agenda on the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_November_9th_2016 | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | This week, the agenda largely focuses on the discussions in the APAC timezone last week | 09:02 |
| b1airo | Hi StefanPaetowJisc , sofianes | 09:02 |
| oneswig | #link Last week's discussion http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-11-01-21.02.log.html#l-28 | 09:02 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Good morning! *brighteyed* *bushytailed* ;-) | 09:02 |
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| sofianes | Hi b1airo, all | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Hi StefanPaetowJisc sofianes, good morning indeed, unless you're a democrat :-) | 09:03 |
| oneswig | (didn't take long) | 09:03 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Awww shucks. Oh. Hang on! | 09:03 |
| b1airo | Uh oh, here we go | 09:04 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Everyone recovered from the shock yet? ;-) | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | It'll take ... I don't know how long it'll take actually | 09:04 |
| oneswig | Anyway, on with the show | 09:04 |
| oneswig | #topic Selection/confirmation of new activity areas | 09:04 |
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| priteau | Probably about 4 years | 09:04 |
| * dabukalam is experiencing a morning remarkably similar to one on the 24th June... | 09:05 | |
| StefanPaetowJisc | What's the ASCII emoticon for 'crying with laughter', or 'hysterical laughter'? ;-) | 09:05 |
| oneswig | dabukalam: indeed! deja vu! | 09:05 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Anyway... let's get on with this. | 09:05 |
| * StefanPaetowJisc puts on his serious face | 09:06 | |
| oneswig | So following from the WG meeting in Barca and the IRC meeting last week, there were four good candidates for activity areas | 09:06 |
| oneswig | to recap: | 09:06 |
| oneswig | Telemetry and monitoring infra (oneswig and martial to lead) | 09:06 |
| oneswig | Federation (aloga has volunteered) | 09:06 |
| oneswig | Scientific datasets and data analytics (we don't have formal confirmation - zioproto was interested but wanted to check) | 09:07 |
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| oneswig | GPUs in virtualisation - powerd | 09:07 |
| zioproto | hello | 09:07 |
| zioproto | sorry I am late | 09:07 |
| geo_ | g'morning | 09:07 |
| sofianes | I would like to contribute to the Scientific datasets and data analytics | 09:07 |
| oneswig | zioproto: just in time :-) I was just about to say, "any objections to nominating zioproto" :-) | 09:07 |
| sofianes | hi zioproto | 09:07 |
| zioproto | Hi, so I accept the nomination | 09:08 |
| zioproto | :) | 09:08 |
| oneswig | sofianes: thanks, noted | 09:08 |
| b1airo | oneswig: that was powerd and I (and we've since touched base and planning to meet up at SC next week) | 09:08 |
| zioproto | but I have to warn you guys there is a 50% chance I will not make it to be in Boston | 09:08 |
| oneswig | b1airo: aha, thanks, I'll add that | 09:08 |
| oneswig | #action sofianes on datasets | 09:08 |
| oneswig | #action b1airo on gpus | 09:08 |
| enolfc | hi, I'm also interested in scientific datasets and data analytics | 09:08 |
| oneswig | Hi enolfc thanks I'll add you to that | 09:09 |
| oneswig | #action enolfc on datasets | 09:09 |
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| oneswig | I think it would be a good idea to clarify some purpose for each of these areas. | 09:09 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Federation I coud potentially help with... ;-) | 09:10 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: thanks, noted | 09:10 |
| oneswig | #action StefanPaetowJisc on federation | 09:10 |
| sofianes | I could help with clarifying datasets + analytics | 09:10 |
| sofianes | together with zioproto, we are already takling part of the problematics in our projects | 09:11 |
| oneswig | About scientific datasets: how do people envisage this - does it work as a general service or a domain-specific service | 09:11 |
| oneswig | I saw this in the week | 09:11 |
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| oneswig | #link https://www.rd-alliance.org/groups/pid-collections-wg.html | 09:11 |
| enolfc | you can also count me on federation | 09:11 |
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| oneswig | #action enolfc on federation | 09:12 |
| oneswig | thanks enolfc | 09:12 |
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| oneswig | I already have an action (not done yet) from last week to define the telemetry and monitoring work I'm active on. | 09:12 |
| sofianes | about datasets: I think that we need to work both on best practices in isolation (within one provide) and about potential federation accross different providers | 09:13 |
| enolfc | for gpu, I will check with some EGI people that may want to contribute | 09:13 |
| oneswig | sofianes zioproto: would you be able to come back to this meeting in 2 weeks with a description of what you have been working on so far and what your goals are? | 09:13 |
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| b1airo | enolfc: great! | 09:14 |
| oneswig | enolfc: thanks that would be grand - I'd be interested to hear how GPUs fit into EGI anyway... | 09:14 |
| sofianes | ok, I can prepare something | 09:14 |
| oneswig | #action sofianes to describe use case and plans for scientific datasets in next EMEA meeting | 09:15 |
| enolfc | oneswig, b1airo: I can bring the people working on that to describe what's available now | 09:15 |
| oneswig | Thanks sofianes | 09:15 |
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| oneswig | enolfc: That would be great. We can put both datasets and gpus on the agenda for 2 weeks time | 09:16 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: yes, I can work with Sofiane. Should we prepare some slides for the next IRC meeting ? that is the idea ? in what form you think of this description? | 09:17 |
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| b1airo | Slides might be hard for irc :-) | 09:17 |
| oneswig | zioproto: slides might be overkill, I'd be happy with text and discussion - how about you? | 09:17 |
| sofianes | I was thinking about a descriptive document | 09:18 |
| zioproto | ok | 09:18 |
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| oneswig | sofianes: if a link can be pasted into IRC, that's a great way of sharing. Even an etherpad is fine for this | 09:19 |
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| sofianes | Ok, works for me | 09:19 |
| oneswig | OK, was there anything more for WG activity areas? | 09:19 |
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| sofianes | Once the document is ready, I will post the link to the agenda for 2 weeks time | 09:20 |
| oneswig | thanks sofianes | 09:20 |
| oneswig | #topic Possibility of a tri-weekly meeting | 09:20 |
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| oneswig | Now we have 3 co-chairs around the globe, there was some discussion on the possibility of having meetings in a time zone for each geography | 09:20 |
| oneswig | I recall this is a long shot with infra - IRC scheduling conflicts get trickier | 09:21 |
| oneswig | But I have asked the question | 09:21 |
| oneswig | I'll keep the group updated if it is possible (or not) | 09:22 |
| b1airo | oneswig: did you ask on list somewhere? | 09:22 |
| oneswig | openstack-infra - just before the meeting... | 09:22 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Sorry, quick question... is there s dedicated scientific-wg mailing list/ | 09:22 |
| priteau | oneswig: What is the problem with infra, not enough slots? I have seen that there is openstack-meeting-[234] | 09:22 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: no, we generally use openstack-operators, given the degree of overlap with the general use case | 09:23 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | ok, ta. *makes note* | 09:23 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: user-committee for procedural matters | 09:23 |
| oneswig | Although to be honest there's very little WG-specific activity on the lists currently | 09:24 |
| oneswig | (... but perhaps there should be more) | 09:24 |
| b1airo | There was (I thought) a sort of bizarre proposal earlier in the week that all WG comms should be over the user-committee ML | 09:25 |
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| oneswig | priteau: Partly it's expressing the scheduling, I think currently you can have weekly or two variants of bi-weekly. You're right it's no bother to add more meeting rooms | 09:25 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: I think it was to create a new list, openstack-user, that ring a bell? | 09:26 |
| b1airo | But we have usually found a lot of overlap with ops. I usually add both | 09:26 |
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| oneswig | I tend to get answers on the ops list whenever I post there. | 09:26 |
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| b1airo | Hmm didn't see that one oneswig - the one I'm talking about was related mostly to product-wg and private MLs | 09:27 |
| oneswig | Now you're making me look! | 09:27 |
| b1airo | :-) | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | uh, lets move on before I get lost in the archives | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | #topic Forum sessions at Boston summit | 09:29 |
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| oneswig | So we've barely done one summit and it's time to plan for the next... | 09:29 |
| b1airo | Hi powerd, just got your email - answer: just confirmation from last week of our interest and enolfc (from EGI) mentioned potential interest | 09:29 |
| oneswig | There were some significant changes planned from here on | 09:30 |
| zioproto | I think we will need a bigger room for the BoF | 09:30 |
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| zioproto | the one in the 14th floor in BCN was too small | 09:30 |
| oneswig | And one thing the WG has been asked to do is provide more input to core teams and project technical leads | 09:30 |
| b1airo | I think for general non topic specific stuff we should have a BoF, lightening talks, and meeting | 09:31 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: true - at the time I suggested a room sized for a committee meeting. I think with the fishbowl style of meetings they can grow bigger | 09:31 |
| zioproto | oneswig: this means that we should arrive at the meeting in Boston with a list of BP and Bug reports, and then we should split during the Boston event and chase developers. | 09:31 |
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| zioproto | that is the only way to provide usefull input to developers, Blue Prints and Bug Reports. | 09:32 |
| oneswig | zioproto: I think we've been asked to define what it means, but I take your point that this would be a useful form of direct input | 09:32 |
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| zioproto | Another thing we can submit is the users stories | 09:33 |
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| oneswig | So far there has been a positive discussion on making posters for user stories and pain points | 09:33 |
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| oneswig | Having these in a breakout area perhaps (although there might be a better way of presenting the messages?) | 09:34 |
| zioproto | Being practical, so you expect for example we make a poster on Data Sets usage with Openstack ? | 09:34 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: Just that kind of thing | 09:34 |
| oneswig | BTW any further activity on the federation user story from Rome? | 09:35 |
| zioproto | Is still there on the etherpad | 09:35 |
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| zioproto | Who is leading the Federation task ? | 09:35 |
| zioproto | I would be happy to share all the already done work | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | aloga has volunteered | 09:35 |
| b1airo | oneswig: we need to get back to Khalil at some point too | 09:36 |
| zioproto | aloga: we started to write a user story about identity federation #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-rome-federated-identity-user-story | 09:36 |
| zioproto | this is something that we can bring in Boston finalized | 09:36 |
| aloga | I am aware of that, I connected remotely | 09:36 |
| oneswig | b1airo: true, overdue | 09:36 |
| aloga | however, there are some use cases that are not clear to me, namely the scenario 2 | 09:37 |
| aloga | that seems overkill to me | 09:37 |
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| aloga | (hi, btw, just arrived :) ) | 09:38 |
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| oneswig | Morning aloga (btw:-) | 09:38 |
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| zioproto | aloga: that is a pain point. At the moment without a browser is difficult to use federated identity. That is why most of deployment require your first login with a browser, and they you get a token to configure your CLI. | 09:38 |
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| aloga | zioproto: why is it difficult? | 09:39 |
| aloga | zioproto: it is possible with openid connect | 09:39 |
| zioproto | aloga: but probably who wrote the use case is part of the eduGAIN federation that uses SAML | 09:39 |
| oneswig | aloga: the demo from Andrea using OIDC had a number of HTTP redirects, and I think that was a problem for CLI access | 09:39 |
| aloga | zioproto: yes, I guess that, but, telling a user to manage several identities is a totally overkill | 09:39 |
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| aloga | oneswig: that is if you only rely on the authz code grant type, but you can use password credentials as well | 09:40 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | CLI access should not have a problem with HTTP connect if behind the scenes, provided it does not require user interaction | 09:40 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | That's the classic problem with SAML | 09:40 |
| aloga | my point here is that it is impossible to tell users "hey, you need to manage 100 identities to access 100 different sites" | 09:40 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | SAML ECP does not require user interaction and hence is better suited for CLI access. Problem there is that virtually noone configures their IdPs to do ECP | 09:41 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | (Shib v3 does this by default, Shib v2 was... problematic) | 09:41 |
| oneswig | Thanks aloga StefanPaetowJisc - I wish there was somewhere where the OpenStack-specific knowledge was gathered so I could be better informed... | 09:41 |
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| aloga | StefanPaetowJisc: I totally agree | 09:41 |
| aloga | I think the federation scenario 2 described in that document does not add any value to the users | 09:42 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | However, problem with SAML ECP as it stands is that OASIS explicitly defined ECP as being non-proxyable, i.e. the classic EGI/ELIXIR/e-infrastructure scenarios of using 'proxy IdP' in a CLI environment is explicitly designed out | 09:42 |
| b1airo | aloga: just skimming it for first time, but think I agree | 09:43 |
| zioproto | aloga: do you find this documentation complete ? http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/identity.html | 09:43 |
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| aloga | no | 09:43 |
| zioproto | that is what I thought | 09:44 |
| zioproto | feedback to documentation team | 09:44 |
| zioproto | if we write the user story | 09:44 |
| zioproto | the can improve the documentation | 09:44 |
| zioproto | on how to configure things to make the user story | 09:44 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | aloga, looking back at your notes on the 2nd user story (in the Rome document), be careful about the definition of 'federation'. | 09:44 |
| aloga | zioproto: that documentation is quite obsolete IMO | 09:45 |
| oneswig | ... and that's a great way of advocating our use case - and adding value | 09:45 |
| aloga | StefanPaetowJisc: what do you mean? | 09:45 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | I may misunderstand you, but I think generally we define 'federation' as 'being able to use my home credentials elsewhere' (i.e. logging into different openstack clouds with the same credential to do stuff), whereas apparently in Openstack World (I discovered this in keystone meetings), federation appears to mean 'being able to use one keystone credential in multiple openstack instances' | 09:47 |
| verdurin | Morning. Sorry I couldn't join earlier. | 09:47 |
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| oneswig | aloga StefanPaetowJisc zioproto if we imported the etherpad into the user-stories repo, would you be able to shape it better using the gerrit review process? familiar with that? | 09:47 |
| oneswig | Hi verdurin | 09:47 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | So as long as we all are on the same page as to what 'federation' means in the story context, we're good ;-) | 09:48 |
| aloga | StefanPaetowJisc: yes, we are on the same page | 09:48 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Ok! *thumbs up* :-) | 09:48 |
| zioproto | I am familiar with the gerrit review process | 09:48 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Yes, I know Gerrit :-) | 09:49 |
| aloga | StefanPaetowJisc: my point there is that you cannot tell users: "hey, login into keystone with your home idp credentials, but then, download an openrc file to use the cli" | 09:49 |
| oneswig | aloga StefanPaetowJisc - so for the record which page - federation meaning using home credentials? | 09:49 |
| zioproto | #action zioproto to clean the etherpad from Rome and push it into a gerrit review | 09:49 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | oneswig: The Rome Etherpad (Scenario 2) | 09:49 |
| oneswig | Thanks zioproto - will be great to get this into the system | 09:49 |
| aloga | StefanPaetowJisc: because 1st. user has different credentials for the same site (one for CLI, one for web) and 2nd the user has potentially 100s of credentials to manage | 09:50 |
| priteau | StefanPaetowJisc: what is the mode of federation is described described here? http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/identity/federated-keystone.html | 09:50 |
| dariov | hello people | 09:50 |
| zioproto | StefanPaetowJisc: I think those are called in two different ways : "Idenitity Federation" and the latter is "Cloud Federation" | 09:50 |
| enolfc | StefanPaetowJisc: there it basically describes how to plug external IdPs to keystone | 09:50 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | oneswig: just clarifying that we all mean identity federation :-) | 09:50 |
| zioproto | StefanPaetowJisc: anyway you are right there is a lot of confusion | 09:51 |
| b1airo | aloga: i though that's what you meant, and I agree, nightmare for usability. Plus those people using multiple clouds are definitely going to be using APIs rather than dashboard | 09:51 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | priteau: That's what zioproto refs to as 'identity federation' | 09:51 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | :_) | 09:51 |
| aloga | b1airo: indeed | 09:51 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | b1airo: Quite. | 09:51 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | aloga: Yes. Multiple credentials/credential files are a bizarre concept. | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | OK, we have a little time left, lets move on... | 09:52 |
| oneswig | I hope we can gather the best practice (and the ideal practice) into a meaningful user story | 09:53 |
| aloga | anyway, the concept is the same, if you use keystone-to-keystone federation and you consider 1 keystone as the "home" IdP | 09:53 |
| aloga | ;-) | 09:53 |
| aloga | but, just to be clear, I was not referring to ks-to-ks federation | 09:54 |
| oneswig | #topic any other business | 09:54 |
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| oneswig | I'm going to roll all the last parts of the agenda into one! | 09:54 |
| b1airo | Heh | 09:54 |
| oneswig | Anyone want to share any particularly good talks they attended? | 09:54 |
| zioproto | are may of us going to the ops- midcycle ? | 09:54 |
| b1airo | I haven't done anything yet on the superuser SC summary post, if not before then on the plane | 09:55 |
| oneswig | zioproto: I've missed the details - where and when? | 09:55 |
| dabukalam | I like the idea of an OpenStack evening at SC16 | 09:55 |
| oneswig | #link I happened on this talk and liked it: https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/kvm-and-qemu-internals-understanding-the-io-subsystem | 09:55 |
| zioproto | oneswig: when is March 2017, where vote between MIlano and Tokyo here http://doodle.com/poll/e7fcfhsf4s8cupyi | 09:56 |
| zioproto | oneswig: March 15-16th 2017 | 09:56 |
| zioproto | Location yet to be defined | 09:56 |
| oneswig | dabukalam: Codethink doing any activities at SC? | 09:57 |
| b1airo | dabukalam: we may pull something together ad-hoc - looks like the Thursday evening is most likely free...? | 09:57 |
| oneswig | There's an etherpad gathering together OpenStack-specific SC activities | 09:57 |
| oneswig | Thursday's good for me | 09:57 |
| dabukalam | Thursday is also good for me | 09:58 |
| dabukalam | oneswig: we'll be there, wandering around | 09:58 |
| dabukalam | maybe making an announcement, still unclear | 09:58 |
| oneswig | ooh... | 09:58 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Sorry, no SC16 for me. | 09:59 |
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| dabukalam | I could find some potential venue and announce to the list? | 09:59 |
| dabukalam | for openstack at SC? | 09:59 |
| geo_ | where's the OpenStack-specific SC etherpad? | 10:00 |
| dabukalam | oh, is there one? | 10:00 |
| b1airo | Ok, we're out of time I think. Great to get some new volunteers and interest!! Good discussion on federation too. | 10:00 |
| oneswig | #linke SC activities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-supercomputing16 | 10:00 |
| oneswig | got it! | 10:00 |
| dabukalam | oneswig: thanks | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks all | 10:00 |
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| geo_ | thanks | 10:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 10:00:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-11-09-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-11-09-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-11-09-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
| b1airo | dabukalam: if you can suggest somewhere that'd be brilliant | 10:01 |
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| priteau | oneswig: do you know if the BoF meeting was recorded and will be published? | 10:01 |
| dabukalam | b1airo: sure, I'll have a look | 10:02 |
| oneswig | priteau: not filmed, unfortunately but the etherpad's still around | 10:02 |
| b1airo | Tim Randles from LANL was looking but wasn't able to follow up | 10:02 |
| dabukalam | and add it to the etherpad | 10:02 |
| priteau | ok | 10:02 |
| zioproto | we are overtime ? | 10:02 |
| oneswig | zioproto: alas so - until next time | 10:03 |
| b1airo | Yeah, but luckily nothing scheduled after us | 10:03 |
| zioproto | thanks for the meeting | 10:03 |
| zioproto | see you in two weeks right ? | 10:04 |
| b1airo | Good night, see you next week oneswig | 10:04 |
| oneswig | See you then! | 10:04 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Ok, see you in a week or two | 10:04 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Bye! | 10:04 |
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| b1airo | zioproto: there is a different meeting time next week to capture other TZs (times on the wiki) but we usually try to repeat the agenda | 10:05 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| yinxiulin | hello | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 13:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:00 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
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| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:01 |
| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 13:01 |
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| liukun | #info liukun | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #topic tricircle big tent application info share | 13:03 |
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| zhiyuan | \ | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | the application was discussed in TC weekly meeting | 13:04 |
| joehuang | and TCs in the meeting voted | 13:04 |
| Junsik | #info Junsik | 13:04 |
| joehuang | the vote result could be found here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338796/ | 13:04 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | some TCs are absent, so not all TCs finished vote yet | 13:05 |
| joehuang | need to wait one more week for the conclusion | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | to Junsik, what's your mail address in OpenStack review system? | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | you can add yourself to the patch for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394372/ | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | o, Junsik's session just quit | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | welcome back Junsik | 13:07 |
| joehuang | could you add yourself to the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394372/ as reviewer? | 13:07 |
| Junsik | Sure, I'll do. | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | so that other guys know your handle and can add you as reviewer for his/her patch | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | come back to the big tent application | 13:09 |
| joehuang | most of TCs voted +1 | 13:09 |
| joehuang | and Armando's comment is very valueable for our design improvement | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | The local neutron plugin inherits from the ML2 plugin whereas the central neutron plugin inherits from a base class usually known as monolithic base. IMO, both design decisions may lead to a fragile neutron solution (in other words, neutron code changes may break tricircle all the time), in that neither are 'blessed' pluggable points. ML2 drivers and service plugins are, but nothing else. | 13:11 |
| joehuang | I did look at the code a bit and I must admit I am not sure what to think. Some decisions look like are taken without any feedback from the neutron team. I personally find the concept of 'real' core plugin a bit troubling [1]. This means two core plugins are running at any given time in each local neutron deployment with no care of transactionality (what happens in partial failure scenarios?). | 13:11 |
| joehuang | Network services composability does not seem to be taken into account. What happens to L3+ services? All of this is unclear | 13:11 |
| joehuang | what's your comment about the local plugin and central plugin inherit point? | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | Can the central plugin also be inherited from ML2 plugin but not the base class? | 13:13 |
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| zhiyuan | if inherit from ML2 then we add mechanism drivers to central Neutron server which is not needed | 13:15 |
| joehuang | yes, unless we override the MD driver loading | 13:16 |
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| zhiyuan | so it's weird to inherit from ML2 while remove the mechanism drivers | 13:17 |
| joehuang | how about if we inherit from ML2 plugin, but override all interfaces but just keep the interface same as ML2 plugin | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | this is a big question, don't have to give an answer today, the change is too big | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | and other thoughts on Armando's comment? | 13:21 |
| zhiyuan | then what's the gain? just to let both local and central inherit from the same ML2 plugin? | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | from currently point of view, no big gain I think | 13:22 |
| zhiyuan | composability needs further validation if the real_core_plugin is not ML2 | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | seems most of SDN controllers now provide ML2 MD driver | 13:23 |
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| zhiyuan | i see. actually the reason local plugin inherits from ML2 is that we would like local plugin to handle RPC | 13:24 |
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| zhiyuan | so if other core plugin has its own RPC, local plugin may fail to handle RPC | 13:24 |
| joehuang | the most important one is the point being able to insert UUID from the central Neutron | 13:25 |
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| zhiyuan | that's right, if Neutron API supports creating resource with ID, we don't need a local plugin | 13:25 |
| zhiyuan | Am I correct? | 13:26 |
| joehuang | how to notify the central Neutron if no local plugin | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | or I miss the port creation issue | 13:26 |
| joehuang | no, even supports the UUID insertion through API, local plugin is still needed | 13:27 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:27 |
| joehuang | you missed the port creation issue | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | currently our implementation may be still the best solution | 13:28 |
| joehuang | ok, let's think over Amando's comment offline, and next topic | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | #topic Ocata feature development discussion | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | could you share your recent progress in ocata feature development | 13:30 |
| zhiyuan | well, since port creation is done before mechanism driver process, a MD is also not enought to handle port creation | 13:30 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, agree | 13:31 |
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| zhiyuan | I am working on the bridge network issue, to support DVR, it's better to attach brige network just as external network | 13:31 |
| zhiyuan | then the cross-pod traffic will first go to the central SNAT namespace, then go out of the pod | 13:32 |
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| zhiyuan | which reduce the VTEP and tunnels Tricircle needs to handle | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | I investigated multi-region gate/check test environment, no multi-region environment supported for tempest test in OpenStack yet | 13:33 |
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| ronghui_ | sorry for late | 13:33 |
| joehuang | could you submit a spec for this, zhiyuan | 13:33 |
| joehuang | welcome ronghui | 13:33 |
| zhiyuan | yes, i am writting the spec | 13:33 |
| joehuang | we are in the topic "Ocata feature development discussion" | 13:34 |
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| ronghui_ | okok | 13:34 |
| joehuang | to Junsik, is the installation according to the guide successful? | 13:34 |
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| Junsik_ | Yes I succeed to install tricircle by following the guide. | 13:35 |
| joehuang | mutli-node? | 13:36 |
| Junsik_ | Yes multi nod2 | 13:36 |
| joehuang | great news, that means the guide can work now | 13:36 |
| joehuang | would you like to contribute on configuration guide or user guide? | 13:37 |
| joehuang | or someone is interested in the contribution in configuration guide or user guide? | 13:38 |
| ronghui_ | Is there something we need to fix the configuration guide? | 13:38 |
| Junsik_ | Yes I'll try to work on the guides | 13:39 |
| joehuang | need to create a totally new configuration guide and user guide, currently we have no these two guide | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | only installation guide is there, and only for devstack based installation | 13:40 |
| ronghui_ | i just install the tricircle right now | 13:40 |
| joehuang | to Ronghui, does it work? | 13:40 |
| ronghui_ | the devstack still running | 13:41 |
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| ronghui_ | and i think we need a guide to install all the tricircle (tricircle and trio2o) | 13:42 |
| joehuang | these two are seperated, no need a guide for two, | 13:42 |
| joehuang | :) | 13:42 |
| joehuang | tricircle and trio2o are two seperated projects | 13:43 |
| ronghui_ | ok | 13:43 |
| ronghui_ | i got it | 13:43 |
| ronghui_ | and what you mean for the totally new configuration guide and user guide | 13:43 |
| joehuang | have you successfully install two nodes tricircle? | 13:43 |
| ronghui_ | no | 13:43 |
| ronghui_ | just singlenode | 13:43 |
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| joehuang | we don't have these two guides now, and need to writhe the guide | 13:44 |
| ronghui_ | what you mean for the totally new configuration guide and user guide wthout devstack? | 13:44 |
| joehuang | the guide should work even in non-devstack based openstack | 13:45 |
| ronghui_ | great | 13:45 |
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| ronghui_ | i just carry out an openstack for Newton and i think i can help for this guide | 13:46 |
| joehuang | To Junsik, Ronghui, which guide you would like to contribute | 13:47 |
| ronghui_ | user guide | 13:47 |
| joehuang | and one more contribution point is to remove the quota related files in tricircle | 13:47 |
| Junsik_ | me too. user guide. | 13:48 |
| joehuang | no need quota management in tricircle | 13:48 |
| joehuang | so I hope someone can submit a patch to remove quota and it's unit test files | 13:49 |
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| ronghui_ | i will try it | 13:49 |
| joehuang | To Junsik/ronghui, thank you | 13:49 |
| ronghui_ | and for another configuration guide, i still a little confusion | 13:50 |
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| ronghui_ | could you give me some examples about the totally new configuration guide | 13:50 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:51 |
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| ronghui_ | i install the devstack and openstack many times, so i think i can help to complement this configuration guide | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | this is the neutron configuration guide:http://docs.openstack.org/newton/config-reference/networking/networking_options_reference.html | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | I am looking for user guide | 13:53 |
| junfeng_ | hi joehuang | 13:54 |
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| joehuang | hello, junfeng | 13:55 |
| joehuang | seems first time to meet you here | 13:55 |
| junfeng_ | Are you Tricircle project's core member? | 13:55 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:55 |
| junfeng_ | ok | 13:55 |
| joehuang | could you introduce yourself briefly | 13:55 |
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| junfeng_ | yes | 13:56 |
| junfeng_ | I'm from beijing china | 13:56 |
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| junfeng_ | I am a openstack developer | 13:56 |
| joehuang | great! which project you mostly worked in | 13:57 |
| joehuang | are you interested in to contribute in Tricircle | 13:57 |
| junfeng_ | Recently I was studying your project | 13:58 |
| joehuang | welcome to join | 13:58 |
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| junfeng_ | thanks | 13:59 |
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| joehuang | time is up, could you send mail in the maillist with [tricircle] in the subject | 13:59 |
| joehuang | have to end meeting, thank you for your attending, will discuss in m-l | 14:00 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 14:00:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-09-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-09-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-09-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| ronghui_ | ok | 14:00 |
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| ronghui_ | bye | 14:00 |
| joehuang | thank you, bye | 14:00 |
| Yipei | bye | 14:00 |
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| zhiyuan | bye | 14:01 |
| junfeng_ | Recently i research hybrid cloud's storage and network connectivity | 14:01 |
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| liukun | bye | 14:01 |
| joehuang | great topic, junfeng_, next team may start their meeting | 14:01 |
| joehuang | you can chat with us in #openstack-tricircle tomorrow | 14:02 |
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| junfeng_ | ok | 14:02 |
| junfeng_ | tomorrw discuss | 14:03 |
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| Zara | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
| persia | o/ | 15:00 |
| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 15:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| Zara | I don't believe we have any, although I was on holiday last week | 15:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 15:01 |
| Zara | hi there | 15:01 |
| SotK | (I don't think we have any either) | 15:01 |
| Zara | okay | 15:02 |
| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:02 |
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| Zara | None noted | 15:02 |
| Zara | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:02 |
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| Zara | Agenda lists me as updating webclient components, though currently i'm working through my massive review backlog | 15:02 |
| Zara | it occurs to me now that perhaps we should have announced boartty just now. I feel like jeblair should pick when to announce, though :) | 15:03 |
| * SotK feels like that too | 15:03 | |
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| SotK | I did a bunch of search stuff, which is probably part of Zara's backlog | 15:04 |
| Zara | yep :) | 15:04 |
| Zara | the goal is to be able to save search queries, right? | 15:04 |
| Zara | actually, that was in my backlog, but I believe you're reworking one of those patches | 15:04 |
| Zara | *at least one | 15:04 |
| SotK | indeed | 15:04 |
| SotK | (to the latter point) | 15:04 |
| Zara | okay, cool, wanted to check I was right not to have it flagged as something I needed to get to | 15:05 |
| SotK | s/save/bookmark/, but yeah | 15:05 |
| SotK | it'd be nice to be able to save queries you want to quickly go to or save them to your dashboard or something, btu that is fuuuuture | 15:05 |
| persia | Do we expect the format to also be sensibly concise to facilitate sharing (e.g by pasting a URI to IRC)? | 15:06 |
| Zara | (oh, yeah, I meant link a query for others or save it somewhere on your own computer, not save within storyboard) | 15:06 |
| SotK | persia: that depends how long is too long | 15:06 |
| Zara | (once you're saving within sb, it feels like a worklist is more appropriate anyway, though I might be ignoring a case) | 15:06 |
| persia | SotK: At least: fits within freenode's maximum line limits. Ideally, shorter than LP URLs. | 15:07 |
| SotK | do you have a LP URL example handy? | 15:08 |
| * persia gets one | 15:08 | |
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| persia | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova?field.searchtext=scheduling&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOM | 15:08 |
| persia | Obviously, more complex queries with more criteria are longer, etc. | 15:09 |
| clarkb | its irc that limits and its to 512 bytes including the PRVMSG prefix and destination details | 15:09 |
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| clarkb | so longer channel names means shorter messages | 15:09 |
| persia | clarkb: So 400-450 is a sensible maximum? | 15:09 |
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| clarkb | that should be plenty conservative | 15:10 |
| SotK | I can't see them being longer than 400 characters, but I'll keep it in mind... they probably will be similar in length to the LP ones sadly (perhaps shorter by virtue of shorter parameter names) | 15:10 |
| SotK | maybe storyboard needs a url shortening method :D | 15:11 |
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| Zara | aw, you mean we can't just use shadyurl? :D | 15:11 |
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| persia | LP ones used to be much longer, so my expectations when I got that URL were much worse than it was in practice. SImilar length to that seems reasonable (and likely to be compatible with current team practices) | 15:13 |
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| persia | The key is really to make sure that there aren't empty parameters for all the queries that aren't currently being performed, or similar. | 15:14 |
| Zara | sounds like folks generally agree on this | 15:15 |
| Zara | other in progress work I have listed... removing the incubated oslo code | 15:15 |
| Zara | dhellman has been doing that for us, thanks, dhellman! :D | 15:15 |
| Zara | I'm steadily working through the patches; https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394570/ is the next waiting one | 15:16 |
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| Zara | I think after that, there's one more for storyboard, and one for python-storyboardclient | 15:17 |
| persia | The nice thing about those is that they are fairly obvious :) | 15:17 |
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| Zara | yep | 15:17 |
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| Zara | I believe the other thing I have outstanding in my review backlog is the review for adding teams to private stories | 15:18 |
| Zara | oh, and I need to poke betherly about those headings in the less/sass patch | 15:19 |
| Zara | well now i'm just talking to myself | 15:19 |
| Zara | we ready to move on to discussion? any other in-progress work anyone wants to mention? | 15:19 |
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| Zara | #topic Discussion | 15:21 |
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| Zara | So, here I have noted 'summit recap' | 15:21 |
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| Zara | plan is to continue to follow the task-tracking spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314185/2/specs/task-tracker.rst for migration , updating assignees | 15:23 |
| Zara | oops, linked old version | 15:23 |
| Zara | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314185/5/specs/task-tracker.rst | 15:24 |
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| Zara | there'll probably be more on this in coming weeks; people are pretty busy right now and distracted with the end of the world | 15:25 |
| SotK | there were some things we thought may be blockery on the etherpad from our session I think? | 15:25 |
| Zara | ah yeah, opinions differed on how blockery | 15:25 |
| SotK | do you have a link for it handy? | 15:25 |
| * SotK doesn't | 15:26 | |
| Zara | nope, but just found it again | 15:26 |
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| Zara | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-infra-community-task-tracking | 15:26 |
| SotK | thanks :) | 15:26 |
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| Zara | so I think we can look forward to more cross-project discussion to arrive at a list | 15:28 |
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| Zara | anyone have anything to add on that? | 15:29 |
| SotK | I don't think so | 15:29 |
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| * SotK is also looking forward to discussions | 15:30 | |
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| Zara | :) okay, open discussion time! | 15:31 |
| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:31 |
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| Zara | I forgot to put this on the agenda... | 15:31 |
| Zara | SotK and I are hoping to move this meeting to a slot between 19:00UTC and 21:00UTC | 15:32 |
| Zara | at a glance, 19:00UTC Weds loooooks like it's free | 15:32 |
| SotK | if free that sounds great | 15:32 |
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| Zara | I did ctrl+f on the meetings page | 15:33 |
| Zara | it wasn't the most rigorous survey | 15:33 |
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| Zara | I would like to keep the same day and channel if possible; easier to remember if it just moves a few hours | 15:33 |
| persia | 1900UTC Wednesday is good for me, although I don't always attend, so I'm not sure whether that should affect a decision. | 15:33 |
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| Zara | well, we're the ones here right now, so based on that, roll on 19:00UTC (well, I'll ask in #infra about it, anyway) | 15:35 |
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| fungi | seems fine to me | 15:38 |
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| fungi | though i mostly just tend to pop in when someone prods me, i keep meaning to lurk more actively and consistently | 15:39 |
| SotK | Zara: would you like to propose the patch to the schedule or shall I? | 15:40 |
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| Zara | fungi: heh, np, I still appreciate being able to ping when necessary! :) | 15:40 |
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| Zara | SotK: if you can remember where it lives, feel free, otherwise I'll find it later. | 15:41 |
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| Zara | that sounds straightforward, anyway, yay :) my ctrl+f suggested we could probably find another suitable slot without too much trouble if that doesn't work | 15:43 |
| persia | IT may be useful to use #agreed and #action at this point for the minutes :) | 15:44 |
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| Zara | ah yeah, thanks (I kept forgetting #link before, too | 15:44 |
| Zara | #agreed StoryBoard meeting to shift to 19:00UTC in #openstack-meeting, weekly on Wednesdays | 15:45 |
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| Zara | #action Zara or SotK to update the meetings schedule to reflect StoryBoard meeting move | 15:45 |
| Zara | normally 'x or y' actions are a bad idea, but I think we'll be fine | 15:46 |
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| persia | In case anyone is hunting, it's in openstack-infra/irc-meetings @ meetings/storyboard-meeting.yaml | 15:47 |
| Zara | ah, thanks | 15:47 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/395678 | 15:47 |
| Zara | hopefully we can change it for next week's meeting (in which case, I'll send a mail out | 15:47 |
| Zara | ) | 15:48 |
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| Zara | okay, any more discussion points? | 15:49 |
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| * Zara assumes not | 15:52 | |
| Zara | meeting ends in 5 | 15:52 |
| Zara | 4 | 15:52 |
| Zara | 3 | 15:52 |
| Zara | 2 | 15:52 |
| Zara | 1 | 15:52 |
| Zara | END! | 15:52 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 15:53:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-09-15.01.html | 15:53 |
| Zara | thanks, everyone :) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-09-15.01.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-09-15.01.log.html | 15:53 |
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| SotK | thanks Zara | 15:54 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu mdovgal | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hi everyone. | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
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| rajinir | o/ | 16:00 |
| mdovgal | hi all | 16:00 |
| hemna | hi | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:00 |
| tsg | Hi | 16:00 |
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| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Public service announcement - nova-net was deprecated last release. If you run a CI and you are still using it, time to switch. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | It will be going away this release. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | And based on past experience, you may need a little time to figure out how to set things up right. ;) | 16:01 |
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| hemna | neutron works now? | 16:02 |
| hemna | :P | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:02 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:02 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:02 |
| dulek | jgriffith must be delighted with Neutron. :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Just typical reminder on review tracking. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Feel free to add priority stuff there, and if you are a reviewer looking for what to look at, that's a good place to go. | 16:03 |
| dulek | Hm, should we clean it up a little as Ocata started? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #topic Cinder HA A/A | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Yeah, we should. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: You're up. :) | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | dulek, I was about to ask the same thing. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #info Concern about drivers supporting HA A/A without testing. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393460/ PoC of code to disable until vendor acknowledges tested ok. | 16:05 |
| dulek | Is there anything controversial about Gorka's proposal? | 16:05 |
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| geguileo | dulek: I discussed this with smcginnis but we thought we should hear everybody's opinion | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Not really from me. | 16:06 |
| Swanson | Hi | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: +1 | 16:06 |
| erlon-airlong | hey | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | So anybody with questions/thoughts/differing opinions? | 16:06 |
| dulek | Okay, to me it's pretty straightforward, but I don't really own a driver… | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Huh, that was easy. :) | 16:07 |
| erlon-airlong | I like the idea just the point I added in the driver about having the report in get_stats | 16:07 |
| hemna | shouldn't the driver just report the capability in get volume stats? | 16:07 |
| geguileo | erlon-airlong: I've been away for a couple of days and haven't read the comment | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #info Driver maintainers will need to explicitly enable support for HA A/A for their drivers. | 16:07 |
| dulek | hemna: I don't think you | 16:08 |
| geguileo | The idea is to prevent users from running A/A without the vendor saying it's ok | 16:08 |
| dulek | hemna: you'll be able to stop starting cinder-volume in that case. | 16:08 |
| erlon-airlong | hemna: geguileo: all capabilities of drivers are reported in get_stats | 16:08 |
| eharney | doing this as a class variable rather than in volume stats seems to be the right thing to me | 16:08 |
| erlon-airlong | geguileo: I think should keep the same in this case | 16:08 |
| geguileo | erlon-airlong: Yeah, but the service won't start | 16:08 |
| eharney | it's not the same kind of info, and this is simpler | 16:09 |
| geguileo | erlon-airlong: That's the whole point | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 | 16:09 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:09 |
| geguileo | We don't need to report anything we just don't start because the vendor says the driver is not tested for A/A | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I do agree this is a little different than our other "capabilities". | 16:09 |
| erlon-airlong | geguileo: hmm, got it, yep, I was wondering the reason why o put it there | 16:09 |
| hemna | so we have capabilities and then another capability elsewhere | 16:09 |
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| hemna | I dunno if I'm into it | 16:09 |
| geguileo | This is not capabilities | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Meta-capabilities. ;) | 16:09 |
| geguileo | This is to prevent the start of the service | 16:09 |
| hemna | it is a capability | 16:09 |
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| hemna | which can be done other ways as well | 16:10 |
| erlon-airlong | hemna: it it a capability but does not affect on how volumes are scheduled | 16:10 |
| hemna | logically this is a capability of the backend and or driver | 16:10 |
| e0ne | hemna: it's a driver capability, not a backend's | 16:10 |
| geguileo | hemna: We can report it, that's not an issue, but it won't affect anything | 16:10 |
| dulek | e0ne: +1 | 16:10 |
| erlon-airlong | this could be a line, if affect the scheduler in any way, then it should go to get_stats | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I think less of a capability, more of a valid configuration setting. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | Scheduling will be the same | 16:11 |
| dulek | Not even tell anything useful for the user. | 16:11 |
| hemna | I disagree | 16:11 |
| hemna | -1 from me | 16:11 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:11 |
| dulek | It's like info important for deployer only. | 16:11 |
| hemna | I'll stop arguing, I just don't like it. | 16:11 |
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| geguileo | hemna: You don't like that we don't report it | 16:11 |
| geguileo | hemna: Or that we are preventing the service from starting with an incorrect configuration? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Well, anybody with any opinions, please comment on the PoC patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393460/ | 16:12 |
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| hemna | I'd prefer the driver to report it's capability the normal way | 16:12 |
| hemna | and the service starting or stopping is a separate matter | 16:12 |
| geguileo | hemna: And to start with a bad configuration? | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | hemna: It's too late by then.... | 16:12 |
| hemna | I like the idea of preventing the service from starting if the driver/backend can't do AA | 16:12 |
| geguileo | One that could potentially lead to problems? | 16:12 |
| dulek | geguileo: It's not bad. It's simply dangerous configuration. | 16:12 |
| dulek | geguileo: Worst case - some operations cause data loss. | 16:12 |
| geguileo | dulek: In my mind danger = bad | 16:12 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:12 |
| dulek | :) | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | This is more like a high level check_for_setup_errors | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Data loss == really bad | 16:13 |
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| hemna | also, another thing is that this would prevent the scheduler from ever sending requests to the cluster | 16:13 |
| hemna | as it wouldn't be supported | 16:13 |
| geguileo | hemna: So you would be OK if the drivers reported this capability? | 16:13 |
| hemna | anyway, I'm in the minority here. | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | This is more like a high level check_for_setup_errors | 16:13 |
| hemna | geguileo, yah, drivers should report it | 16:13 |
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| geguileo | hemna: OK, I don't think that would be a problem | 16:14 |
| geguileo | But changing the scheduler to take it into cosideration may be overboard | 16:14 |
| dulek | Is scheduler able to tell if driver is configured as A/A? Hm, it probably is if it's cinder.conf is same as c-vols. | 16:14 |
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| geguileo | dulek: If it's reported the scheduler will know | 16:14 |
| geguileo | dulek: But since the service won't be starting... | 16:14 |
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| geguileo | dulek: It won't be able to schedule anything there anyway | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | It will know the difference between an H/A backend (correcetly configured) and a none-H/A backend though, which might be something people want to schedule on | 16:15 |
| dulek | Yeah, I see. Moreover requests failing in scheduler because of wrong configuration would be quite confusing for admin. | 16:15 |
| dulek | At least in comparison with c-vol simply failing on the start. | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | dulek: ++ | 16:16 |
| geguileo | dulek: I agree | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | OK, again, please comment in the review if you see any issues. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Anything else we should cover here? | 16:17 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: No, that was all | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Thanks! | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | #topic NVMe-over-Fabrics (NVMe-oF) target driver support for Cinder | 16:17 |
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| dulek | Hi! | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | dulek, tsg: Hey | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTPe0sOHU0w PoC demo video | 16:17 |
| dulek | So this is mostly a heads-up that we're looking over integrating NVM-over-RDMA-Fabric protocol with Cinder. | 16:18 |
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| hemna | dulek, is a brick connector needed ? | 16:18 |
| dulek | hemna: Definitely. | 16:18 |
| dulek | I wonder if any existing drivers in Cinder looked at/experimented with this protocol? | 16:18 |
| flip214 | The DRBD driver is using RDMA. | 16:19 |
| flip214 | or CAN use RDMA. | 16:19 |
| e0ne | hemna: yes, we've got PoC both for cinder and os-brick | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Lot's of looking at, no experimenting yet. | 16:19 |
| hemna | ok cool | 16:19 |
| dulek | flip214: This is quite interesting. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Was there a patch submitted? Seems like I saw something, but maybe I'm just thinking of the bp? | 16:20 |
| hemna | dulek, do we have a CI for it or can we get one? | 16:20 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: we didn't submit any patches yet | 16:20 |
| dulek | hemna: We would need one, but that would require a driver being able to support the protocol I think. | 16:20 |
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| hemna | yup | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: OK, thanks. Must have just been thinking of the blueprint then. | 16:20 |
| xyang | e0ne: do you have a nova patch too | 16:20 |
| e0ne | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/nvme-volume-driver | 16:20 |
| e0ne | xyang: I have | 16:21 |
| dulek | And it's a little problematic with LVM at this moment. I wonder if we could try to start with BDD? | 16:21 |
| e0ne | #link https://github.com/e0ne/cinder/tree/nvme | 16:21 |
| e0ne | #link https://github.com/e0ne/nova/tree/nvme | 16:21 |
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| e0ne | #link https://github.com/e0ne/os-brick/tree/nvme | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Oh, nice! | 16:21 |
| e0ne | all code are in PoC state now | 16:21 |
| e0ne | please, don't look on the codestyle now:( | 16:21 |
| e0ne | I'll cleanup it early next week | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Cool, so just a head's up for now? Looking for other involvement? | 16:23 |
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| dulek | If someone is interested in consuming such TargetDriver and os.brick connector in his driver, that could help us innovate on that. | 16:24 |
| e0ne | dulek: :) | 16:24 |
| dulek | I'll look into DRBD as flip214 mentioned. | 16:24 |
| flip214 | dulek: that won't help. | 16:25 |
| e0ne | to be clear, it's not only about RDMA support | 16:25 |
| flip214 | the DRBD kernel module uses RDMA | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | flip214: Is that NVMe, or just using RDMA? | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Ah, just RDMA. | 16:25 |
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| flip214 | smcginnis: we can use NVMe as lower-level storage too, of course. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | flip214: OK | 16:25 |
| e0ne | it's more about NVMeoF and RDMA will be one of the supported protocols | 16:25 |
| flip214 | but the RDMA transport is just configured from userspace | 16:25 |
| flip214 | the communication is done in kernel only | 16:25 |
| flip214 | so there's nothing for brick or cinder, apart from "done the right way it works" | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | OK, let's move on then if that's OK dulek. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | And anyone interested, contact dulek (and e0ne) to collaborate. | 16:26 |
| dulek | Sure, thanks, if someone is interested in collaboration - ping me or e0ne. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Thank you | 16:26 |
| dulek | Thanks! | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #topic In-tree Cinder tests | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: Take er away... | 16:26 |
| erlon-airlong | hey | 16:26 |
| * dulek needs to run now, sorry. | 16:26 | |
| smcginnis | dulek: Fine, be like that. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:26 |
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| erlon-airlong | so, Iv been trying to merge some tests in tempest for a while | 16:27 |
| erlon-airlong | but, there sooo few cores active there that its taking a life | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: We've seen that many times now. | 16:27 |
| e0ne | erlon-airlong: +1 | 16:28 |
| erlon-airlong | yep, so, we should start to add tests directly into cinder tree, and add hooks in the gate to run/search them | 16:28 |
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| erlon-airlong | like manila does | 16:28 |
| eharney | i think we came to this same conclusion in another discussion recently | 16:28 |
| scottda | erlon-airlong: Yup. And we discussed in Barcelona that this would be a good first step, even if later we wanted them to run in the tempest directory | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | So the only question I had for the team on that was whether everyone thought the gate should run our in-tree tests. | 16:29 |
| e0ne | erlon-airlong: I think everybody agree with you | 16:29 |
| geguileo | eharney: Yep, during the summit | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Way back when we added it I (just personally) was thinking this would be a good way for third party CI to add additional stuff. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | But I think we really do want all tests to run in gate. | 16:29 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 for all tests in gate | 16:29 |
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| erlon-airlong | e0ne: great ! just ill put some patches to make that happen | 16:30 |
| eharney | the gate should definitely run the in-tree tests for configs that are possible | 16:30 |
| patrickeast | might as well, assuming we are careful to block off features with config options | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. | 16:30 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: they should run in the gate the same way that tempest tests do | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | So the next step is probably to work with infra to change the tempest runs to run the all_plugins target. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | That will find and run the local tests along with the normal tempest ones. | 16:30 |
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| erlon-airlong | ok | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | As far as how that is done, I'm no help there. ;) | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | OK, if no objections, should we move on? | 16:31 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: me to, dont have a clear idea, Ill find you how to do that | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | #action erlon-airlong to investigate changing gate jobs to pick up in-tree tempest tests | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: Thanks! | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | #topic How to deal with cinderclient help with microversions | 16:32 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: welcome | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | scottda: . | 16:32 |
| scottda | So, Cao filed a bug because cinderclient help would show parameters and features in, say version 3.0, that weren't present until later versions... | 16:32 |
| scottda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+bug/1600567 | 16:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1600567 in python-cinderclient ""cinder help" does not support microversion" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nate Potter (ntpttr) | 16:32 |
| scottda | And we merged a fix: | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | erlon-airlong: its not too bad, there should just be a conf option in devstack-gate for it | 16:32 |
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| scottda | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-cinderclient/commit/?id=b76f5944130e29ee1bf3095c966a393c489c05e6 | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | Personal opinion - I think that was probably wrong. | 16:33 |
| scottda | The question then arose: How does the user know about features or parameters that show up in later versions? | 16:33 |
| erlon-airlong | patrickeast: great, also, manila is doing that, so, Ill just borrow from them | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | I'd rather see all options shown, with something denoting the version needed to use the ones that aren't in the base v3. | 16:33 |
| scottda | Should the help show all features/parameters, and then name the version when they are first supported? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | scottda: That would be my preference. | 16:34 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Cool. I can see that point and am not sure I have a strong preference. What do others think? | 16:35 |
| patrickeast | what are other micro-versiony projects doing about this? surely this ins't a unique cinder problem | 16:35 |
| eharney | i also agree with that preference, otherwise it's too hard for anyone to find all of the options/parameters | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Good point. Do we know what nova and others do? | 16:35 |
| scottda | patrickeast: Good question. Manila people? (xyang bswartz ... | 16:35 |
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| scottda | I think nova is busily deprecating the Nova CLI. So also of interest what OSC folks think. But they don't have microversion support yet... | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe we can set a good precendent with this then. | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | We alrady have things in the cinder cli that may or may not be supported | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | I do think it's more user friendly to be able to discover what is possible. | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: And with this, at least we can tell them what version they can expect that to be supported from. | 16:38 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Well, putting everything in the help doesn't let you discover what is possible. | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: ++ | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | scottda: It let's them know what they can check based on version. | 16:39 |
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| erlon-airlong | smcginnis: agreed, I have strugled trying to find help for hidden options | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | No one else cares? US folks stayed up too late watching election coverage? :) | 16:40 |
| erlon-airlong | it totally blows the meaning of the word help | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | erlon-airlong: +1 | 16:40 |
| bswartz | scottda: sorry was afk | 16:41 |
| geguileo | If you display everything that's available then you also have another problem | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | It would be nice if we could make the help appropriate for the cloud it is talking to.... | 16:41 |
| geguileo | In later versions we may remove arguments | 16:41 |
| * bswartz reads scrollback | 16:41 | |
| geguileo | And the help starts getting crazy to read | 16:41 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: We keep supporting the old microversion though | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: High level - wondering how help is displayed for microversion stuff in Manila. | 16:41 |
| geguileo | Trying to figure out what you have to pass for each version | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Hopefully we don't have too much of that anyway. | 16:42 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Yeah, but you have to read through all the options to see which ones go together | 16:42 |
| erlon-airlong | geguileo: wouldnt be possible to add sections for each version if the command has different behaviours? | 16:42 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Hopefully :-) | 16:42 |
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| bswartz | smcginnis: CLI works with latest version, and help reflects latest version IIRC | 16:42 |
| geguileo | erlon-airlong: Sure, if somebody has time to work on that it would be grea XD | 16:42 |
| scottda | DuncanT: I'd like to add auto-negotiate like Manila has. The client and server would use the hightest mutually supported version.... | 16:43 |
| bswartz | the CLI should try to work as less as possible with old versions, but there are limits | 16:43 |
| erlon-airlong | geguileo: lol, yep, that wouldn't be easy to do | 16:43 |
| scottda | erlon-airlong: That's what this controversial patch does... | 16:43 |
| erlon-airlong | geguileo: not hard actually but a lot of details | 16:43 |
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| scottda | It has the ability to version the help. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #info Currently help for new feature/parameters only shows up when that microversion is requested | 16:43 |
| bswartz | CLI users should _NEVER_ have to request a microversion | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: +1 | 16:44 |
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| bswartz | that's a huge fail of UI design | 16:44 |
| bswartz | you should just get the latest | 16:44 |
| scottda | bswartz: Yup. I can add that to the client. Most of the plumbing is there and I've a patch up to fix a bug... | 16:45 |
| bswartz | if the server is somehow older than the client, then the client needs to ensure compatibility as much as it can | 16:45 |
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| erlon-airlong | scottda: not exacly, it shows the help for a set of versions, my idea would to always (unless specified) print the help for all versions, diveded in sections when needed | 16:45 |
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| erlon-airlong | bswartz: +1 | 16:45 |
| scottda | erlon-airlong: ahh..OK. That is different | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: ++ | 16:45 |
| bswartz | it's acceptable to limit backwards compatibility to a certain oldest version though -- and tell users with servers older than that to use an older client | 16:46 |
| bswartz | ideally that window of backwards compatibility goes back at least 2 years | 16:46 |
| erlon-airlong | IMO, this would be something to be fixed in OSC | 16:46 |
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| erlon-airlong | and as they have plans to catchup cinderclient, that's something they coud start working on | 16:47 |
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| scottda | erlon-airlong: Yes, OSC has started to look at microversion support. But aren't there yet. | 16:47 |
| scottda | But this question is simpler: Should the help show all features, even those the server doesn't support? OR should it show only those available on the server (or in our current situation, the version requested on the client side)? | 16:48 |
| scottda | Soon, cinderclient auto-negotiation will prevent the user from input of the requested version. But the help question is the same... | 16:49 |
| erlon-airlong | if the client supports all features, then its help should reflect that | 16:49 |
| bswartz | scottda: yes the help should show what the client supports, not what the server supports | 16:49 |
| bswartz | otherwise you can't print out help without a connection to a server, which is kind of dumb | 16:50 |
| xyang | scottda: maybe bswartz has already answered this: manila help does not require a microversion | 16:50 |
| scottda | bswartz: Well, today you can manually input the cinderclient version you want, and get help appropriate to that version. | 16:51 |
| bswartz | remember that in the majority of cases, the client and server will be at the same version | 16:51 |
| bswartz | the reason we allow for any variance at all is for clients/apps that needs to talk to multiple clouds | 16:51 |
| bswartz | in those cases we assume the user or developer is a little smarter than average | 16:51 |
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| bswartz | and they don't need "help" text to figure out what they're doing | 16:52 |
| scottda | So, is there anyone that thinks we should keep the help as it is, giving only features supported by the requested version? or the hightest version on the server? | 16:52 |
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| scottda | OR does everyone agree that cinderclient help should show all features supported by the client? | 16:52 |
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| bswartz | #vote all features | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | My preference is option 2. | 16:53 |
| scottda | #vote all features | 16:53 |
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| scottda | Sounds good to me ^^ | 16:53 |
| erlon-airlong | #vote all features | 16:53 |
| xyang | I prefer all features too | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Seems pretty unanimous so far. | 16:54 |
| scottda | Seems like no dissent. I'll file a bug to track this. I cannot guarantee when I'll get to it, so anyone else feel free to pick it up. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Thanks! | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | #action scottda to file bug to change help to show all options | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else today? | 16:55 |
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| bswartz | PTG is 3 days (wed-fri) right? | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Good topic - for Cinder, yes. | 16:56 |
| bswartz | yeah I meant cinder | 16:56 |
| bswartz | manila will be wed-thurs so 100% overlap :-( | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | We were asked if our team would like Wed-Thurs or Wed-Fr. I have requested for Cinder we get three days. | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Maybe we could coordinate a couple joint sessions if needed. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | They will be updating the PTG info to note which teams will have 2 or 3 days. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | That should help. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Ahhh! Was the Cinder meeting at 10 am!?! | 16:57 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure if joint sessions would help -- mostly I'll just miss you guys | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | If folks haven't seen it yet, registration is officially open. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: LOL | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Damn it! | 16:57 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: 1600 UTC | 16:57 |
| bswartz | it never moves | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: We'll miss you too. ;) | 16:58 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, Time change ;) | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Why didn't you remind me!?! | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | At least there's Friday. | 16:58 |
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| bswartz | yeah I'll plan to hang out with yall on friday | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What is Friday? | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Oh sure, come in late and expect me to start over from the beginning! | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | :P | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Just talking about the PTG. | 16:59 |
| * jungleboyj goes to read the logs. | 16:59 | |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Cinder will have three days. Manila will have two, so those working in both can at least join up with us Friday. | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ah, good deal. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Anyone have anything else? | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Oh, times up. | 17:00 |
| bswartz | let's build a wall between cinder and nova and make nova pay for it | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 17:00 |
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| bswartz | oh wait wrong meeting | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Hah! | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Nice! | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 17:01:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-09-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-09-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-09-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 17:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | krtaylor: Sorry for not paying attention to the time. | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | Hello everyone | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | smcginnis, no worries | 17:01 |
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| mjturek | o/ | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | meeting agenda is here: | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:02 | |
| krtaylor | anyone have any? | 17:03 |
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| jroll | \o | 17:03 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 17:04 |
| jroll | (don't have a thing, just saying hi) | 17:04 |
| * krtaylor is thinking that the time change will make it low attendance today? | 17:04 | |
| krtaylor | jroll, thanks! | 17:04 |
| rajinir | o/ | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | well let's see if we have critical mass to have a discussion | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | #topic MoltenIron | 17:05 |
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| krtaylor | mjturek, around? | 17:05 |
| mjturek | yep! | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | doesnt look like hamzy is | 17:06 |
| mjturek | fyi we're now our own launchpad project https://launchpad.net/molteniron | 17:06 |
| rajinir | We have updated to the latest MoltenIron, so far good | 17:06 |
| rajinir | +1 | 17:06 |
| mjturek | great!! | 17:06 |
| krtaylor | cool! | 17:06 |
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| jroll | sweet | 17:06 |
| mjturek | we also now use json blobs for deploy info so we support more than just IPMI drivers | 17:06 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:07 |
| mjturek | please feel free to open bugs/ RFEs if you have needs for the project | 17:07 |
| mjturek | krtaylor: anything to add? | 17:07 |
| jroll | is this in an openstack/ git repo yet? | 17:07 |
| jroll | or still in the ci tools thing | 17:07 |
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| mjturek | it has it's own git repo but I'm not sure why it doesn't show on launchpad | 17:08 |
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| jroll | I think it's a setting | 17:08 |
| mjturek | yeah it definitely has it's own git repo | 17:08 |
| jroll | when it comes into the ironic governance, I can fix up the launchpad | 17:08 |
| jroll | cool | 17:08 |
| mjturek | see here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395126/ | 17:08 |
| mjturek | jroll: sweet | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | jroll, the new project is done: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/molteniron | 17:08 |
| mjturek | thanks | 17:08 |
| jroll | so we should bring this up in the next meeting | 17:09 |
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| krtaylor | ++ | 17:09 |
| jroll | and get it in governance | 17:09 |
| mjturek | I'll throw it onto the agenda for monday | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | we'd really like to see other contribute | 17:09 |
| mjturek | ++ krtaylor | 17:09 |
| jroll | though we prefer it behaves like an openstack project, so please ask hamzy not to self-approve things :) | 17:09 |
| jroll | s/prefer/require | 17:09 |
| mjturek | will do | 17:09 |
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| rajinir | ++ | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | rajinir, anythig you'd like to see MI do? | 17:10 |
| rajinir | krtaylor: will think about it and submit it in launchpad. | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | rajinir, perfect thanks! | 17:10 |
| mjturek | great :) | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | anyone have anything else for MoltenIron? | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | #topic 3rd Party CI | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | I don't have any updates this week, anyone? | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | well, this might be a really quick meeting | 17:13 |
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| * krtaylor wonders if it is time to roll this meeting back into the Monday meeting | 17:13 | |
| jroll | yeah, could be :) | 17:14 |
| jroll | sorry I got distracted | 17:14 |
| jroll | one thing on third party CI | 17:14 |
| jroll | I'm a terrible person and have not had time to re-review the requirements | 17:14 |
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| jroll | and by terrible, I mean busy and had conference plague | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | jroll, no worries, I havn't got back to documenting it either | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | the outline grew into more and got bogged down | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | so, we can document it all at once, or strip everything and get it in the index and start patching | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | I'd MUCH prefer the later | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | it distributed the authors | 17:16 |
| mjturek | +1 on the later | 17:16 |
| jroll | yeah, ditto | 17:17 |
| jroll | krtaylor: if you're around tomorrow I should be able to spend a bit of time on that | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | ok, I'll strip the outline and resubmit, we'll have the log for adding sections | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | sure | 17:17 |
| jroll | if you want to go back and forth and get it close enough that we can get a second +2 | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | perfect, I'll ping you | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | afternoon is better for me, you? | 17:18 |
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| krtaylor | ok, so any other topics? | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | else we can wrap this up for today | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | thanks everybody! | 17:19 |
| mjturek | thanks krtaylor ttyl | 17:20 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 17:20:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-11-09-17.01.html | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-11-09-17.01.txt | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-11-09-17.01.log.html | 17:20 |
| jroll | thanks krtaylor | 17:20 |
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| JinLi_ | hi | 19:15 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos-mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 20:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring? | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | aimeeu? | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | ildikov? | 20:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 20:01 |
| aimeeu | Hello! | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen_alt | we also have danielle on the phone | 20:02 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: should I call in too? | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think danielle is going to join the IRC chat, actually | 20:03 |
| aimeeu | Ok - I was just looking up the number. ;) | 20:03 |
| ildikov | ok, cool :) | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | I know Carol said she had a conflict | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic Speed Mentoring | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Any feedback from the speed mentoring session to discuss? | 20:04 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/speed-mentoring-barcelona | 20:05 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think one of the things we're going to request for next summit is to have it during lunch instead | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | hi DanielleLynch! | 20:06 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: I think that should be better timing | 20:06 |
| aimeeu | That sounds like a good idea. | 20:06 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: like how we agreed on this for the WOO gathering as well | 20:07 |
| ildikov | there are always many people dealing with jet lag, etc. | 20:07 |
| aimeeu | ... or late nights socializing with colleagues... | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I wondered, did anyone hear back from mentors about how they thought it went? | 20:08 |
| ekhugen_alt | did people like the career/technical split? | 20:08 |
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| aimeeu | I thought people liked it, although I haven't heard from anyone directly | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think the app feedback was all 5 stars, but not a lot of constructive feedback | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | anything else for speed mentoring? | 20:10 |
| aimeeu | ah, yes, people always have a hard time creating constructive feedback | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think there are going to be some questions about it in the survey nithya is making for WoO | 20:11 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so next topic, feedback survey | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic Feedback Survey | 20:12 |
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| ekhugen_alt | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0lQUva-vHHdHU3WLEqFnuC-FGuzI6Ma2J6Q8YKRONk/edit#gid=0 | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think that kendall made that viewable | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | a lot of the feedback seems to be around making goals and also making sure that mentors/mentees are actually interested and available | 20:13 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I need to send another note to the foundation to ask if we have the contact info for people who said they could be contacted later | 20:14 |
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| ekhugen_alt | since that bit of info somehow missed the spreadsheet | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think maybe I'll extract the comments into an email, unless someone else wants to volunteer to do that? | 20:15 |
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| aimeeu | The only constructive criticism is around better defining the program - goals, timeframe, expectations | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | yeah, so I thought with the next round of matches, I'd make them respond within a week if they want to stay matched | 20:16 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think maybe we gave people too long before we unmatched them, and then that made following up hard | 20:17 |
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| aimeeu | That sounds good. I think the "biweekly updates" is a bit of stretch for everyone involved. | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | maybe then follow up at 1 month to ask if they have goals defined | 20:17 |
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| ekhugen_alt | just to provide more structure | 20:17 |
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| aimeeu | How about giving them some defined goals as a starting point? | 20:18 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so we had a getting started guide with example goals | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rXLWga17J3TXENNTvJgNJ4ol9N3_FgH20y_gFrITR_Y/edit | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | are you thinking of something more than that aimeeu? | 20:19 |
| aimeeu | ah, ooops, I guess some of the mentors and mentees weren't the only ones to not read the guid | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | is there a way we could make the getting started guide more readable/accessible? | 20:20 |
| aimeeu | Nope - your goals look good. | 20:20 |
| aimeeu | Maybe not Google Docs? | 20:20 |
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| ekhugen_alt | aimeeu do you think it should be directly in the wiki? or is there a better format? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors | 20:21 |
| aimeeu | I'm thinking of the fewest clicks possible, so yes probably the wiki. | 20:22 |
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| ekhugen_alt | do you want to take a stab at extracting the google doc into a wiki section? | 20:22 |
| ekhugen_alt | aimeeu ^? | 20:22 |
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| aimeeu | I'll try - it may happen in the middle of Dec tho - gearing up for an OPNFV Plugfest/Hackfest in the beginning of Dec | 20:23 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, I'll just put a direct link to it in the match emails for the next round of matches | 20:23 |
| aimeeu | sounds good | 20:23 |
| ekhugen_alt | so hopefully they'll read it | 20:23 |
| ekhugen_alt | anything else on the feedback survey? | 20:24 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic Next round of matches | 20:24 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so I sent out the email a bit ago with the automated matching tool and the suggested matches, did anyone get a chance to look at that? | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I'm waiting for Carol's feedback on the career matches | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I did also start to get an openstack project going so others can contribute to the matching code too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393926/ | 20:26 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Any other feedback or concerns on the automated matches or the next round? I know we're later than we wanted to be with it | 20:28 |
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| * aimeeu shamefully still trying to locate Emily's email | 20:30 | |
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| ekhugen_alt | oh I can re-send it aimeeu | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think it was during summit week | 20:30 |
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| aimeeu | found it | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | cool | 20:31 |
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| ekhugen_alt | maybe if people think of any feedback we can discuss over email? | 20:33 |
| aimeeu | Sounds good | 20:33 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think I'm out of topics | 20:33 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic open | 20:33 |
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| ekhugen_alt | ildikov any feedback from the upstream university on the mentoring program? | 20:34 |
| ildikov | we tried to encourage people to sign up to the mentoring program | 20:34 |
| ildikov | we also sent out the links in the follow up mail after the training | 20:34 |
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| ildikov | I know that there were people interested, I don't have info whether they finally signed up or not though | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | we have 43 signups right now in the spreadsheet | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | I don't know when they all came in, but that's a good number and a bit more than before the summit | 20:35 |
| ildikov | I can check the names if we have anyone there from the training | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r2ZZNq7MBNJNKr0g_QlnQvhmkTSC8pf1x4DC-_NMfhA/edit#gid=0 | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | there's the link to the spreadsheet | 20:36 |
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| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: do you have a link to that spreadsheet? | 20:36 |
| ekhugen_alt | ildikov it's right above, like 2 lines up | 20:37 |
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| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: sorry, just lost connection for a bit, I can see the link now | 20:37 |
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| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: I will report back on the numbers if I find matching names | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | anything else from upstream that we can incorporate back into the mentoring program? | 20:38 |
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| ekhugen_alt | cool thanks ildikov | 20:38 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: we are also thinking about bringing parts of the training or workshops to local events, like OpenStack Days | 20:38 |
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| ildikov | I don't know whether the speed mentoring or anything would make sense there too | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | nice, that sounds like a good idea | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | and we're happy to share how we did speed mentoring, if anyone is interested in replicating that event | 20:39 |
| ildikov | the idea is to connect people within the local communities | 20:39 |
| ildikov | cool, that would be great to have that info available | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | maybe I'll put links to the speed mentoring training out on the wiki page, so that other people know where that is | 20:40 |
| ildikov | and if you have any further ideas on what could be good to do/try at these events please share :) | 20:40 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: sounds great, thank you | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | yw ildikov and if I think of any other events, I'll let you know | 20:41 |
| ekhugen_alt | any other topics from anyone? | 20:41 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay I think we can end a few minutes early | 20:42 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks everyone! | 20:42 |
| ildikov | thanks! | 20:43 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 20:43:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-11-09-20.00.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-11-09-20.00.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-11-09-20.00.log.html | 20:43 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 21:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
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| mmotiani | hi | 21:00 |
| timburke | hi | 21:00 |
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| pdardeau | hey | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | evenin | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | hi | 21:01 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:01 |
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| cutforth | o/ | 21:01 |
| ntata | hello | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | . | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:01 |
| nadeem | . | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
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| clayg | greetings programs! | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | not a ton on the agenda for today, so plenty of time for open discussion (or ending early?) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | clayg: hello, fellow human | 21:02 |
| notmyname | first up, reminder that time zones are a thing, and we ignore them for meeting scheduling | 21:03 |
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| clayg | i like this time better | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | so if you're here now (and you're in the US) then you did the right thing and got to the meeting at the right time | 21:03 |
| notmyname | meeting is at 2100UTC | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic PTG signups | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:04 |
| notmyname | nope | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #undo | 21:04 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7fac5556de10> | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 21:04 |
| notmyname | there | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | the PTG signups are open | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I've asked to have 3 full days days: wed, thurs, fri | 21:04 |
| timburke | still waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272727/ ... | 21:04 |
| notmyname | monday and tuesday of that week will be for some cross project stuff (also note that monday is presidents' day in the US) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | tickets for the PTG are $100 and there is a hotel block. there's a chance that things could fill up, so book early | 21:06 |
| notmyname | any question about the PTG? | 21:06 |
| torgomatic | Remember when we had our own hackathons and we didn't have to ask for time from some organizing board? | 21:06 |
| clayg | notmyname: I this dream that we all went to the PTG - but we sort of just hole'd up together like it was a regular hackathon Mon-Fri and everyone thought it was weird that we didn't go argue with people on Mon-Tue | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | yes, yes, I know. everything we used to do was awesome and everything in the future is terrible. but we're doing the PTG, and it will be fine | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: do you know if the tickets are limited? | 21:07 |
| torgomatic | that's a good idea; we can wander off during the cross-project times and be cross by ourselves | 21:07 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I do not know | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | ok | 21:07 |
| torgomatic | (not to avoid other projects, just to get more time) | 21:07 |
| ntata | notmyname, do we get some sort of ATC pass to attend PTG? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ntata: no | 21:07 |
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| clayg | ntata: nope, one hundred bones across the board | 21:08 |
| notmyname | but attending the PTG will get you a ticket to the forum in boston in may | 21:08 |
| mathiasb | tdasilva: I heard that they are, but I don't have any official to point to | 21:08 |
| clayg | ntata: it's like this http://www.gifwave.com/media/37332_movie-awesome-coffee-lego-the-lego-movie.gif | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | mathiasb: mmm...interesting. getting refund for hotel reservation is easy, not sure about eventbrite tickets... | 21:09 |
| ntata | lol | 21:09 |
| pdardeau | will patchbot be there? | 21:09 |
| mathiasb | tdasilva: IIRC you can get a full refund up to like february 17th or so | 21:09 |
| clayg | pdardeau: that can be our mon-tues project! | 21:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: great idea! :-) | 21:10 |
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| clayg | since notmyname doesn't seem to be invested in fixing him - and it would everyone (who uses patchbot; which is probalby just us?) | 21:10 |
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| clayg | *would benifit | 21:10 |
| notmyname | there's a few others. I'm interested. just get pulled into other things | 21:10 |
| clayg | :P | 21:10 |
| clayg | i'm just poking fun - sorry | 21:10 |
| mathiasb | tdasilva: full refund possible until february 15th https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-tickets-27549298694 | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | despite the frustrations of the less time and more money, I do think the PTG will be good for us. don't think of it as replacing midcycles, though. think of it as the dev part of the summits. that's actually what it is | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | yep, had just read that there...guess i should read the full description before asking... | 21:12 |
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| nadeem | will we have a separate midcycle too? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | and after the PTG, based on what's avaialble for us as a team in boston, we can figure out if we need to do self-organized midcycles again | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | anything else about the PTG that I can answer or go find an answer for? | 21:13 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: thanks for the info! | 21:14 |
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| clayg | nadeem: unexpected; expectation is that ptg replaces mid-cycle | 21:14 |
| clayg | still 4x travel per year all offical os sponsered | 21:14 |
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| nadeem | sounds good | 21:15 |
| tdasilva | actually...one more PTG question...sorry..if we want to hold cross-project meetings, do we have to say anything? like so it gets planned? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | clayg: sortof, but not really. yes, there's still 4x travel and they're now all found-ation related. but the PTG is mroe like the summit instead of a midcycle. we'll see what the new "forum" will be like and if we need to do a midcycle instead of that | 21:15 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: that... is a really good question | 21:16 |
| tdasilva | i'm thinking about all the golang emails that are going on, that could become a cross-project conversation... | 21:16 |
| notmyname | it looks like the mon-tues are pretty set for what projects/teams will have meetings, but I don't know how they'll be scheduled | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: I'll look in to that | 21:16 |
| tdasilva | ok | 21:16 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: I think mon-tues are more like mid-cycles for horizontal teams - so maybe we go to "infra" if we want to work on golang in CI or "docs" if you want to talk about making godoc output stuff that matches sphinx | 21:17 |
| tdasilva | clayg: yeah, that's what i was thinking...was just wondering if we need to announce or ask to have that topic on their agenda?? | 21:17 |
| clayg | tdasilva: i'm not sure it's clear how adgendas will be set - could very well be a dotacracy - so just how up and say "hey, i want to talk about this!" | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I'll start a ML thread | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | but yeah, also need to remember about the cross-project vs. inter-project distinction | 21:18 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, exactly | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | i'm guessing having a barbican conversation wouldn't count as cross-project | 21:18 |
| clayg | tdasilva: maybe we could start a golang-wg and have our *own* little horizontal team that folks can show up to! | 21:19 |
| notmyname | moving on | 21:20 |
| clayg | i *should* start a dependency-hygiene-wg | 21:20 |
| notmyname | #topic release | 21:20 |
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| tdasilva | lol | 21:20 |
| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1633647 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1624088 have landed in swift, so I'm working on getting a swift release finished up | 21:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1633647 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "bad fragment data not detected in audit" [Critical,Fix released] | 21:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1624088 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC missing durable can prevent reconstruction" [Critical,Fix released] | 21:20 |
| clayg | whoot! | 21:20 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I've also pushed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395768/ for a swiftclient release (has the sessions support) | 21:21 |
| joeljwright | did the keystone auth v1 plugin make it too? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | yep | 21:21 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | I mention this is the commit messages, but FYI I'm reordering the AUTHORS files. turns out, names are terrible, and there's no way to actually do the "right" thing for ordering them. so the new plan is to simply order them by the first character/byte in the author field | 21:22 |
| clayg | notmyname: when I glance down the list of *high* priority bugs - this one stands out -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1516579 | 21:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516579 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "PUTing a 0-byte object and supplying an Etag results in a 503 response" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Samuel Merritt (torgomatic) | 21:22 |
| clayg | but it's already landed | 21:22 |
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| clayg | then this one -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1554233 | 21:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554233 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Servers-per-port can consume excessive OS threads" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Samuel Merritt (torgomatic) | 21:22 |
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| clayg | ^ cheap to fix/land and may be hurting adoption of servers-per-port (OTOH, there's a good workaround - so maybe that should only be medium) | 21:23 |
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| clayg | oh wait, not there was *different* high priority bug with 0 in the title - it was kota's fix for multi ec policy | 21:24 |
| notmyname | I feel like we do this every time a release gets close: "but wait! there's one more!" :) | 21:25 |
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| kota_ | clayg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1549110 ? | 21:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1549110 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC: object-reconstuctor got unhandled 0 divison error" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Kota Tsuyuzaki (tsuyuzaki-kota) | 21:25 |
| clayg | i'm not doing well finding bugs today :'( | 21:26 |
| clayg | kota_: yes thank you! | 21:26 |
| clayg | notmyname: there *really* is tho!? and the one that came up this morning with the if-none-match | 21:26 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, you're not wrong :-) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1640448 | 21:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1640448 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "If-None-Match doesn't work on deleted object" [High,Confirmed] | 21:27 |
| clayg | notmyname: we can't have "releases" we need to just cut a release every couple of weeks because it really keeps getting better and better | 21:27 |
| clayg | i know there's a regression that slips in every *now* and then - but all the more reason to keep going keep going! | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | so that's why I bring up the topic: what's the stuff we know about that we should land before we cut a release? | 21:28 |
| clayg | notmyname: neyway - i don't really care - we're so far behind because of these blocker bugs - we haven't even released a Newton yet :'( | 21:28 |
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| clayg | notmyname: we'll the | 21:28 |
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| clayg | kota_: lp bug #1549110 is fix released! | 21:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1549110 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC: object-reconstuctor got unhandled 0 divison error" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1549110 - Assigned to Kota Tsuyuzaki (tsuyuzaki-kota) | 21:29 |
| clayg | notmyname: ^ that one | 21:29 |
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| clayg | i think i'm good with that | 21:29 |
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| clayg | i don't know of others - but I could be just dropping the ball on something terrible and huge - i need to go back through the open priority bugs | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1628906 should be confirmed or not on master | 21:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1628906 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "swift-object-reconstructor memory leak" [High,Confirmed] | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | good news https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1491908 can be marked as closed | 21:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1491908 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "proxy server reports 202 even though backend didn't accept object" [High,In progress] | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok, here's a summary: there's a few high priority bugs that I want to look at further. I'll be working on the authors/changelog patch for the release, so if anyone sees something that really should land, let me know. we'll hold a release for it | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ones that say "memory leak" or have 503s are stuff that sticks out to me | 21:33 |
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| clayg | notmyname: looking that 202 accepted bug for 409 - i don't see where the change removed the logic in the proxy? | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | ah? I was going by the commit subject and the comments in LP | 21:35 |
| clayg | notmyname: I'll try to confirm but it looks like ctennis' concern is still there -> https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/a30351bdfc60f827979c5afe76ad40bf3a2b05c3/swift/proxy/controllers/obj.py#L482 | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ok. thanks. I set it back | 21:35 |
| kota_ | notmynam: i don't think the memory leak on the master, anyway we need to confirm with the reporter though. | 21:35 |
| clayg | but now it's a bit more dubious since container-sync doesnt' rely on that behavior | 21:36 |
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| clayg | kota_: my opinion of it is we fixed *a* memeory leak - and there are probly more - but we don't have to keep the bug open until we fix all of them - we just need to keep fixing them as we can isolate something | 21:36 |
| kota_ | clayg: fair enough | 21:37 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up about a pending release? | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: i want to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393595/3 and tag a liberasure right away | 21:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: kota_: how can we make that happen (EOD tomorrow?) | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | clayg: as soon as we do that and get the version bumped in swift's requirements, I want to do a release of swift. (even if it's the day after another release) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | kota_: after the liberasurecode patch lands, what's necessary to do in pyeclib? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | anything? | 21:40 |
| kota_ | ah | 21:40 |
| clayg | notmyname: yes yes all of these things right away - i just don't know how anything works? tdasilva can you save us??? | 21:40 |
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| tdasilva | i think you will need to also do a pyeclib release, right? | 21:41 |
| kota_ | notmyname: if we could make a hard coded version requirements in the *pyeclib* | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: those aren't the hard parts. just have to paste a SHA into a repo | 21:41 |
| kota_ | notmyname: it seems better, otherwise pyeclib can allow to use older version. | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | and then swift's requirement point to the new pyeclib release | 21:41 |
| clayg | tdasilva: IME just building a new liberasure with current pyeclib is good enough for me? | 21:41 |
| kota_ | of libeasurecode | 21:41 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: true | 21:41 |
| notmyname | ok, so release libearasurecode, bump dep in pyeclib, then release pyeclib, then bump dep in swift, then release swift? | 21:41 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: right | 21:42 |
| clayg | tdasilva: like for me I would just update my liberasurecode packages and make drag it forward for all versions of pyeclib - I think swiftstack's pacaking is full on crazy town tho | 21:42 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, that will work for swiftstack, but we shoudl do the rest to avoid older versions being used | 21:42 |
| clayg | but right now I only package tagged liberasurecode releases - i'm totally happy to just "fix that" and move to where I can package any random sha | 21:42 |
| clayg | notmyname: totally granting *everyone* knows better than I do | 21:42 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | yeah, i don't think pyeclib actually has a dependency on a specific version of a liberasurecode | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | can't find it | 21:43 |
| clayg | notmyname: but also fully expressing this needs to happen right away - if I get a tagged liberasurecode release out of the deal I win - if I not - i'm doing something different - and I'll check in when I'mdone | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | so clayg's method might be right | 21:43 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: IIRC either you or me can do the ec library releases. do you want to do that as soon as the patch lands, or would you like me to? | 21:43 |
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| tdasilva | the important part is getting downstream packagers to package the new liberasure code asap | 21:44 |
| notmyname | clayg: I don't know why we can't tag liberasurecode as soon as the patch lands | 21:44 |
| clayg | i am a downstream packager! i will do it the same day you make the tag - promise! | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | clayg: hehehe, true | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | i was thinking centos and debian/ubuntu folks | 21:44 |
| notmyname | clayg: which unblocks you. and the rest of it can be done independently of the swiftstack packaging | 21:44 |
| clayg | tdasilva: i know, but I also don't know how that works | 21:45 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: wouldn't that "just" be to tell zigo/onovy and zaitcev? | 21:45 |
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| clayg | and clayg! (but i already know) | 21:45 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:45 |
| clayg | oh and kota!? we need a liberasurecode annouce mailing list or something? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | clayg: you taking on the distro packaging work now? | 21:46 |
| clayg | i would *totally* subscribe to that - hell I would *send* messages to that!? | 21:46 |
| clayg | really i'm not so different from distro packagers tho - that's my point | 21:46 |
| clayg | i think this is how compiled software is supposed to be released/packaged/updated? | 21:46 |
| clayg | i don't know | 21:46 |
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| tdasilva | do we need to build a matrix of what libec/pyeclib work with which version of swift??? | 21:46 |
| clayg | tdasilva: :'( | 21:47 |
| tdasilva | or is that implicit in the swift git repo? | 21:47 |
| clayg | not before we cut a liberasurecode tag - that's for sure! | 21:47 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: no. or rather it's simply "at least the current liberasurecode tag" right? | 21:47 |
| clayg | tdasilva: it's not tho - we *only* depend on pyeclib - which has no specific depdendency on liberasurecode version (!?) | 21:47 |
| clayg | it's madness | 21:47 |
| clayg | worse we don't really handle a *testing* matrix | 21:47 |
| tdasilva | yeah | 21:47 |
| zaitcev | I thnk we're kinda "old that worked, circa 1.1.1/1.0.1" and "new gen 1.3.1/1.2.0" | 21:47 |
| clayg | in my new world on vsaio I only test pyeclib master with liberasurecode master with swift master | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | only because those things have never to this point had releases that require us to specify version dependencies, right? | 21:48 |
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| tdasilva | for example, centos guys were asking me if version 1.3.1 of liberasure code worked with mitaka and liberty and older releases.... | 21:48 |
| notmyname | swift says use a version of pyeclib, and that's fine. and we can set a >= version now in pyeclib for liberasurecode | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | no, PyECLib and liberasurecode had good dependencies once Tushar took them off Kevin | 21:48 |
| clayg | for me there is some risk that some older version of swift won't work with the latest version of pyeclib/liberasurecode and I'm going to cry | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | er. had good version numbers and releases | 21:48 |
| clayg | but for now the interface of pyeclib seems to be holding strong | 21:49 |
| notmyname | and I'll backport the dependency bump to stable branches | 21:49 |
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| zaitcev | tdasilva: my understanding is Liberty is okay, anything before that I dunno | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | zaitcev: ok | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | I think we're all ok. there's nothing overly complicated | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | does bindep allow to specify a version? https://github.com/openstack/pyeclib/blob/master/bindep.txt | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: probably? (it better) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | surely it does | 21:50 |
| clayg | i will be doing a compatiblity test of latest pyeclib/liberasure code going back to some pretty old versions of swift during our QA - I can publish those results? | 21:50 |
| notmyname | clayg: that would be great | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/bindep/readme.html#writing-requirements-files | 21:50 |
| clayg | but I want the tag to cut the release from first (maybe that's backwards from some folks workflows) | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | clayg, notmyname: +1 | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | clayg: no. liberasurecode is the end of the dependency DAG. we do that one first, and that's the easy part | 21:51 |
| notmyname | no to it being backwards. we need to tag liberasurecode first | 21:51 |
| clayg | notmyname: %^&*ing A!? | 21:51 |
| tdasilva | right | 21:51 |
| clayg | I don't have +2 on that patch - if kota_ does he should merge it right now | 21:52 |
| clayg | IMHO ;) | 21:52 |
| tdasilva | clayg: we can fix that :) | 21:52 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:52 |
| clayg | tdasilva: i'm all up in the reviewing pyeclib/liberasurecode - learning curve to be sure - but I'll do best promise! | 21:52 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:53 |
| notmyname | what if we simply added "swift-core" to those? | 21:53 |
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| tdasilva | that works too | 21:53 |
| kota_ | if it's ok for everyone, i can add +A for that now. | 21:53 |
| kota_ | or more fresh eyes someone wans? | 21:53 |
| kota_ | wants | 21:53 |
| notmyname | kota_: how do you feel about adding swift-core to the liberasurecode-core list? | 21:54 |
| clayg | kota_: I'd love to think we *had* someone would could do that? tdasilva? timburke? kevin? tsg? | 21:54 |
| tdasilva | kota_: any chance to get kevin or tsg to look at that patch? | 21:54 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, we have several, actually | 21:54 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: not sure, tsg seems to notify the patch pushed. | 21:54 |
| kota_ | notmyname, clayg: yeah, more cores are great to liberasurecode, imo | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | done | 21:55 |
| clayg | I'll email tsg and tushar - if we can plan to +A it and make a tag first thing tomorrow - I say we wait until then and see if we can get someone else to look at it too? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | clayg: you can +2/+A stuff in pyeclib and liberasurecode now | 21:55 |
| kota_ | clayg: tsg will get 2 emails | 21:55 |
| kota_ | JK | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up in the next 3 minutes? | 21:56 |
| timburke | not related to release-y stuff, but i'd be interested in people's opinions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391682/ -- basically, take the concurrent bulk-delete work and apply the same principle to the HEAD requests we do for SLO | 21:56 |
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| joeljwright | timburke: I'll take a look at that while I'm neck deep in SLO anyway | 21:57 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: thanks! | 21:57 |
| timburke | thanks! | 21:57 |
| kota_ | aaaa, | 21:57 |
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| kota_ | clayg, notmyname, tdasilva: that patch depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387879/2 | 21:58 |
| kota_ | note that | 21:58 |
| clayg | kota_: that's next | 21:58 |
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| clayg | kota_: lol - yeah I ment kevin & tsg :P | 21:59 |
| notmyname | we're at time. thank you for your work on swift. thanks for coming today | 21:59 |
| kota_ | that mean, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393595/3 -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387879/2 | 21:59 |
| kota_ | oops opposite... | 22:00 |
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| * cschwede is too late to the party :/ calendar messed up the time change. bummer. | 22:00 | |
| notmyname | cschwede: :-( | 22:00 |
| notmyname | cschwede: use iceland time | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 22:00:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-09-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-09-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-09-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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