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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 03:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-08-23_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| sudipto | o/ | 03:00 |
| eliqiao | hi | 03:00 |
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| Namrata | namrata | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting sudipto eliqiao Namrata mkrai | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | Wenzhi sent a message to me that he won't attend this time | 03:02 |
| hongbin | Let's start | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | 1. Welcome Sudipta Biswas and Wenzhi Yu to the core team | 03:02 |
| hongbin | Thanks sudipto and wenzhi for the contribution | 03:03 |
| sudipto | Thank you everyone who voted! | 03:03 |
| mkrai | Congrats sudipto Wenzhi. Welcome to the team:) | 03:03 |
| hongbin | yeah | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
| hongbin | 1. hongbin creates an etherpad to brainstorm ideas for container image store solution (DONE) | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-image | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | Want to work on the etherpad or do it as a homework? | 03:04 |
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| mkrai | Let's take it the end after we finish the rest of the discussion | 03:04 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #topic Runtimes API design (mkrai) | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Runtimes API design (mkrai) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:05 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/api-design The BP | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-service-api The etherpad | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-service-api-spec The spec | 03:05 |
| hongbin | I think the basic of the runtime API is there | 03:05 |
| mkrai | We now have the docker APIs running. | 03:05 |
| hongbin | Thanks mkrai for the hard work | 03:05 |
| mkrai | I hope rest of the team have tried :) | 03:05 |
| hongbin | Yes | 03:06 |
| mkrai | Thanks to you too hongbin :) | 03:06 |
| hongbin | welcome | 03:06 |
| eliqiao | good work mkrai. thanks. | 03:06 |
| mkrai | Thanks eliqiao | 03:06 |
| hongbin | For now, I think it is a good time for everyone to try the API | 03:06 |
| hongbin | and enhance it | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | For example, I am thinking if we should add support for interacive mode | 03:07 |
| eliqiao | Actually, I am thinking to add tempest api cases and enable it in gate | 03:07 |
| hongbin | Like, docker -it busybox | 03:07 |
| sudipto | eliqiao, that'd be great. | 03:07 |
| hongbin | Yes, that would be great | 03:08 |
| sudipto | Yeah, I am in the process of trying it out - however I am struggling with a few things on the start up doc - i hope to find a solution to it today. | 03:08 |
| sudipto | Like i told in the group before, i am trying to create a very quick bootstrap env for the developers to try out zun | 03:08 |
| hongbin | sudipto: I guess the easier way is devstack | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: however, ping me if you want any help though | 03:09 |
| sudipto | yeah for now - for sure. But hopefully once i am through you can evaluate this option too. | 03:09 |
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| sudipto | as a part of that - i have created 2 containers - 1. mysql 2. rabbit + keystone. and a 3rd container with a privileged mode to run zun | 03:09 |
| sudipto | while on the 3rd container - i have some minor issues, that will hope to sort out today. | 03:10 |
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| sudipto | The docs probably need a refresh too - i mean the startup doc | 03:10 |
| sudipto | #link: https://github.com/openstack/higgins/blob/master/doc/source/dev/quickstart.rst | 03:10 |
| hongbin | Yes, it possibly needs | 03:10 |
| hongbin | It hasn't been updated for a while | 03:10 |
| hongbin | sudipto: as usual, just ping hte channel if you need any help | 03:11 |
| sudipto | Sure i will do that. | 03:11 |
| sudipto | mkrai, i might need some time of yours today - if you are free for sometime. | 03:11 |
| mkrai | Sure sudipto | 03:11 |
| hongbin | OK. Let's advance topic | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Nova integration (Namrata) | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova integration (Namrata) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:12 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/nova-integration The BP | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-nova-integration The etherpad | 03:12 |
| hongbin | Namrata: ^^ | 03:12 |
| Namrata | hi. | 03:12 |
| Namrata | i was on holiday for last week so unable to updat the patch | 03:13 |
| Namrata | i will do this week | 03:13 |
| hongbin | Namrata: get that | 03:13 |
| hongbin | Namrata: anything you need from the team so far? | 03:14 |
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| Namrata | i see some good comments on patch | 03:14 |
| Namrata | i will ping on irc if i need anything | 03:15 |
| hongbin | Namrata: awesome | 03:15 |
| hongbin | Thanks Namrata | 03:15 |
| hongbin | Next one | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | #topic Container image store | 03:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container image store (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:15 | |
| Namrata | thanks everbody for reviewing | 03:16 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-image | 03:16 |
| hongbin | Want to discuss the container image now? | 03:16 |
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| sudipto | My vote is for Yes. | 03:17 |
| hongbin | Maybe I pause for a few minutes for you to read though the etherpad | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: Yes for? | 03:17 |
| sudipto | As in - let's discuss a bit | 03:17 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:17 |
| mkrai | There is no perfect solution as of now | 03:17 |
| sudipto | DO we want to support 'building' of images? | 03:18 |
| sudipto | via a zun API? | 03:18 |
| hongbin | sudipto: what is your opinion about that? | 03:18 |
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| sudipto | basically that would help us answer the image management question better. | 03:19 |
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| sudipto | I haven't used the APIs yet - but how do we select a image now to run a container? | 03:20 |
| sudipto | from zun i mean | 03:20 |
| hongbin | It pull it from docker hub | 03:20 |
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| mkrai | It now downloads from docker hub | 03:20 |
| sudipto | Ok - so basically it creates a image cache on the local host | 03:20 |
| sudipto | for the next 'run' | 03:20 |
| sudipto | right? | 03:20 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:21 |
| sudipto | Ok that workflow works for all public images | 03:21 |
| sudipto | However, there's no way to segregate these images via tenant isolation. | 03:21 |
| hongbin | No, there is not | 03:21 |
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| sudipto | so when we say glance/glare support - we are basically cutting off from docker hub completely? | 03:22 |
| hongbin | We need a multi-tenant image store | 03:22 |
| hongbin | sudipto: Not necessary | 03:22 |
| sudipto | let's say i have the images in glance. A docker run - then would get the images from glance right? | 03:23 |
| mkrai | We should keep it configurable I think so | 03:23 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:23 |
| hongbin | Get it from Glance first, | 03:23 |
| sudipto | Can we really do that? | 03:23 |
| hongbin | If not there, get it from docker hub | 03:23 |
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| sudipto | as in a docker run would want to boot from the local cache eventually by either docker pull or if it's cached - then just reading it from there. | 03:24 |
| sudipto | so do you expect glance to do something like a docker pull? | 03:24 |
| hongbin | There is a solution though | 03:24 |
| sudipto | as in zun does a docker pull from glance | 03:24 |
| hongbin | 1. store docker image as a tar file | 03:24 |
| hongbin | 2. pull hte tar file from Glance | 03:25 |
| hongbin | 3. docker import xxx.tar | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | Then, the tar file is extracted to localhost | 03:25 |
| sudipto | ok | 03:25 |
| hongbin | I guess this is the nova-docker solution? | 03:26 |
| sudipto | yeah that's how nova docker should have worked. | 03:26 |
| sudipto | Even though i haven't used it. | 03:26 |
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| hongbin | The disadvange is the layer of image is not supported | 03:26 |
| sudipto | you mean every pull is a fresh pull | 03:26 |
| hongbin | since there is a tar file, no layer | 03:26 |
| hongbin | Yes, every pull is a full pull | 03:27 |
| hongbin | no layer | 03:27 |
| sudipto | i guess it needs us to also consider what storage driver is supported on the host | 03:27 |
| sudipto | which docker does for us now. | 03:27 |
| sudipto | https://docs.docker.com/engine/userguide/storagedriver/selectadriver/ | 03:27 |
| sudipto | So if the host is X - it might have a storage driver Y - and similarly a different combination for another host. | 03:28 |
| hongbin | docker export/import is indepedent of storage driver I think | 03:28 |
| sudipto | no no - i am not talking about that. | 03:28 |
| sudipto | I am probably jumping the gun and looking at glance or something else outside of docker supporting image layering | 03:28 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:28 |
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| sudipto | my point being, if we put it outside of docker - the software which would eventually store this image - would have to be aware of the storage driver - no? | 03:29 |
| hongbin | My guess is no | 03:29 |
| sudipto | maybe not. | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | since docker has a way to import/expose images as I mentioned | 03:30 |
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| sudipto | Ok i was talking about running 2 containers with the same image - with a union filesystem backing on a host. | 03:30 |
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| sudipto | docker i guess should be able to take care of that - post we have downloaded the image. | 03:30 |
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| sudipto | I will write my thoughts on your ether pad hongbin :) | 03:31 |
| sudipto | and have a discussion on the IRC channel. | 03:31 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:31 |
| mkrai | Sorry got disconnected | 03:31 |
| hongbin | mkrai: we were talking about docker image for different storage driver | 03:31 |
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| mkrai | Okay | 03:32 |
| hongbin | sudipto is writing on the etherpad. Let's check how he write | 03:32 |
| mkrai | hongbin: How can we commit to a image in localhost? | 03:36 |
| hongbin | there is a docker commit command | 03:36 |
| hongbin | we can add support for that in zun | 03:36 |
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| sudipto | I feel we can support both - the docker registry or glance | 03:39 |
| sudipto | glance comes in with being slow | 03:39 |
| sudipto | while docker registry comes with no multi-tenancy | 03:39 |
| sudipto | at this time of the writing. | 03:39 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: could we have both | 03:39 |
| hongbin | sudipto: glance and docker hub | 03:39 |
| sudipto | glance and docker hub won't be possible i think | 03:39 |
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| sudipto | or we can introduce a API flag - that would either get it from glance or from docker hub - based on what the user wants. | 03:40 |
| hongbin | sudipto: we could get it from glance first, if not there, get it from docker hub | 03:40 |
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| sudipto | yeah - and possibly get it from docker hub into glance - would be the ideal behaviour then | 03:41 |
| hongbin | an alternative is to introduce a flag | 03:41 |
| sudipto | zun run <image_id> --> look up glance --> not there --> try from docker hub --> image found --> download to glance --> download to the localhost --> boot the container. | 03:41 |
| hongbin | zun pull busybox (get it from glance) | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | zun pull docker.io/busybox (get it from docker hub) | 03:42 |
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| mkrai | sudipto: you mean private docker registry. Right? | 03:42 |
| sudipto | mkrai, no | 03:42 |
| sudipto | private docker registry is another option all together | 03:42 |
| sudipto | that would not need glance. | 03:42 |
| mkrai | We should consider the case, not all users might have internet access | 03:43 |
| sudipto | basically IMO - we should have one place for zun to get images from - be it local docker registry or glance or docker hub or xyz | 03:43 |
| sudipto | that could be a tenant setting? | 03:44 |
| hongbin | sudipto: could be a config | 03:44 |
| sudipto | hongbin, per host config? | 03:44 |
| hongbin | maybe per zun | 03:44 |
| sudipto | or zun wide? | 03:44 |
| sudipto | ok | 03:44 |
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| sudipto | ok if you basically want multi-tenancy - set zun to use glance. | 03:45 |
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| hongbin | sounds good | 03:46 |
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| sudipto | great. | 03:47 |
| hongbin | maybe we could write down the proposal to the etherpad | 03:47 |
| sudipto | Sure i will do that. | 03:47 |
| hongbin | Then, let the team revisit it next meeting | 03:47 |
| sudipto | and exchange it over ML? | 03:47 |
| sudipto | or not needed? | 03:47 |
| hongbin | yes, ML could work as well | 03:47 |
| mkrai | Either works | 03:47 |
| sudipto | I am just thinking ML might get some glance/glare folks interested. | 03:47 |
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| mkrai | Yes good point | 03:48 |
| sudipto | nothing to loose kinda situation :) | 03:48 |
| hongbin | OK | 03:48 |
| sudipto | Get to ether pad - discuss and then once we have consensus - send to ML | 03:48 |
| hongbin | k | 03:49 |
| hongbin | Then, let's advance topic | 03:49 |
| hongbin | #topic Multi-tenancy (Wenzhi Yu) | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-multi-tenancy | 03:49 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi cannot attend the meeting today, but he left me a message for the status | 03:49 |
| hongbin | (Wenzhi): I submitted patch "Load wsgi apps with paste.deploy" | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | (Wenzhi): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357615/ . The patch has already landed. | 03:49 |
| hongbin | (Wenzhi): With this patch, we can now group the containers by tenants -- to each tenant, containers in other tenants are invisible. | 03:49 |
| hongbin | (Wenzhi): If folks may have comments about this bp, please ask them to leave their comments on this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-multi-tenancy | 03:50 |
| hongbin | (Wenzhi): I will read and address them later. | 03:50 |
| sudipto | great | 03:50 |
| hongbin | cool | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:50 |
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| mkrai | We should now start on some documentation | 03:51 |
| mkrai | It will attract some develops | 03:51 |
| mkrai | s/develops/developers/ | 03:51 |
| hongbin | Yes, the quickstart guide need to enhance | 03:51 |
| sudipto | mkrai, totally agreed. | 03:51 |
| hongbin | Let's create a bug for that | 03:52 |
| sudipto | we need to expand base :) | 03:52 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Can we create architeture diagram now | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin create a bug for enhancing the quickstart guide | 03:52 |
| mkrai | I guess we have the base ready | 03:52 |
| mkrai | I will create architecture diagram | 03:53 |
| sudipto | mkrai, count me in | 03:53 |
| hongbin | mkrai: there is one though | 03:53 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-state-management | 03:53 |
| mkrai | And try to write some information | 03:53 |
| mkrai | I will take this as reference | 03:54 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:54 |
| mkrai | I want to create a doc that is short introduction to Zun | 03:54 |
| hongbin | for sure | 03:55 |
| mkrai | I get some pings asking for introduction of Zun | 03:55 |
| mkrai | I want to avoid answering everytime ;) | 03:56 |
| hongbin | oh, from who? | 03:56 |
| hongbin | your manager? | 03:56 |
| mkrai | Some developers from community and manager too | 03:56 |
| hongbin | cool | 03:56 |
| sudipto | lol | 03:57 |
| hongbin | OK. Let's wrap up the meeting a bit earlier | 03:57 |
| mkrai | Ok | 03:57 |
| hongbin | and discuss in the IRC channel | 03:57 |
| mkrai | Thanks all :) | 03:57 |
| hongbin | All, thanks for joining hte meeting | 03:57 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 03:57:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-08-23-03.00.html | 03:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-08-23-03.00.txt | 03:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-08-23-03.00.log.html | 03:57 |
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| yamamoto | #startmeeting networking_midonet | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 07:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet' | 07:00 |
| yamamoto | #topic agenda | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:00 | |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingMidoNet | 07:00 |
| yamamoto | #topic Announcements | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:00 | |
| yamamoto | no announcement from me | 07:01 |
| yamamoto | #topic Bugs | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:01 | |
| yamamoto | we have a few gate issues | 07:01 |
| yamamoto | fixes for fwaas related ones are in review | 07:01 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-fwaas+branch:master+topic:bug/1615577 | 07:01 |
| yamamoto | i think it's better to separate jobs to avoid being affected by other projects | 07:03 |
| yamamoto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-midonet/+bug/1615668 | 07:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1615668 in networking-midonet "make voting-job minimum" [High,New] | 07:03 |
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| yamamoto | #topic Open Discussion | 07:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:03 | |
| yamamoto | nothing from me | 07:03 |
| * yamamoto waiting a few mins | 07:03 | |
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| yamamoto | thank you! | 07:05 |
| yamamoto | #endmeeting | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:05 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 07:05:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-08-23-07.00.html | 07:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-08-23-07.00.txt | 07:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-08-23-07.00.log.html | 07:05 |
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| guoshan | hi | 13:00 |
| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 13:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | hi, guoshan | 13:00 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:00 |
| Qiming | evening, yanyan | 13:01 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | evening | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | xinhui just texted me that she cannot join because of stomachache | 13:01 |
| Qiming | hi, elynn | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hope she will be fine | 13:01 |
| Qiming | let's get started, quite somethings to go thru | 13:01 |
| Qiming | #topic newton work items | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | about rally plugin, just kept working on profile context support last week | 13:02 |
| Qiming | still some complaints about rally patch? | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | may need more time to finish it | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | but I think there is no critical issue | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | fine. let's go their way | 13:03 |
| Qiming | integration test | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | just need more discussion on some detail | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | another fix has been proposed and need another +2 and workflow | 13:04 |
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| yanyanhu | hope this is the last fix needed... | 13:04 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:04 |
| Qiming | if needed, we may ping the reviewers for a push | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | sure, Qiming | 13:05 |
| Qiming | health management | 13:05 |
| Qiming | POC almost done | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | great news | 13:05 |
| Qiming | fixed a lot of corner issues | 13:05 |
| Qiming | we can listen to nova events and take recover actions automatically | 13:05 |
| elynn | Great! | 13:05 |
| Qiming | though there are follow ups about fencing, fixed in some other patches | 13:06 |
| Qiming | the reason is that we were doing fencing regardless the failure's nature | 13:06 |
| Qiming | if we are already got an event notification from nova, that means the vm is already stopped, shutdown, deleted etc. | 13:06 |
| Qiming | we don't need to do a 'fencing' operation to ensure that the vm is dead | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, so in that case, fencing just means "confirmation" maybe | 13:07 |
| Qiming | fencing is still needed, if we are detecting vm failure from external monitoring software/service | 13:07 |
| Qiming | current fencing implementation is a forced delete | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | I see | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | however, if we unconditionally enables fencing that means: | 13:08 |
| yanyanhu | the most completed one | 13:08 |
| Qiming | server deleted -> nova sends notification -> senlin heard it -> senlin try to 'fence' it -> senlin force delete the server -> nova sends another notification -> senlin heard it again ... | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | it is an endless loop | 13:09 |
| Qiming | another fix is we temporarily removed network/storage fencing | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | the second notification was caused by deleting request from senlin? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | because they are not there yet | 13:09 |
| Qiming | yes, yanyan | 13:09 |
| Qiming | so I have my node recovered twice ... | 13:09 |
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| yanyanhu | yes... that is unexpected | 13:10 |
| Qiming | if I am stopping a node | 13:10 |
| Qiming | yet another patch was submitted to oslo.messaging, because there are filter bugs there | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329754/ | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | we sometimes got an ValueError from the listener because some notifications have 'project_id' set to None | 13:11 |
| Qiming | sigh | 13:11 |
| Qiming | I'm working on a new method eval_status for cluster | 13:11 |
| Qiming | that can be invoked at any time to reevaluate a cluster's "health status" | 13:12 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/359177 | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yes, that's a very useful interface | 13:12 |
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| yanyanhu | user can manually trigger it | 13:12 |
| Qiming | this method can be invoked after a cluster_check operation ... when all node checks are done | 13:12 |
| Qiming | we need to reassess the cluster's status | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | and build their own health check logic based on this interface | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | yep, that is another possiblity, I mean, expose the interface to users | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | it can be invoked after a scaling operation, be it a success or a failure | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | that will be semi-auto healing :) | 13:13 |
| Qiming | anyway, still work on it | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | cool | 13:14 |
| Qiming | as a user, I need to know the cluster status for sure | 13:14 |
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| yanyanhu | yea | 13:14 |
| Qiming | documentation side, fixed some trivial bugs in api-ref and user tutorial | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | small patches for review | 13:14 |
| Qiming | profile/policy version control, yanyan has a new patchset? | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | a new patchset based on your comments | 13:15 |
| Qiming | will review it tomorrow | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | thanks a lot :) | 13:15 |
| Qiming | haiwei is not in, right? | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | seems so | 13:15 |
| Qiming | haven't heard from him for a while | 13:15 |
| Qiming | then we can skip container support today | 13:16 |
| Qiming | recevier with zaqar | 13:16 |
| Qiming | saw your patches, almost there I think | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | support in sdk side has almost been done | 13:16 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, will fix those issues you mentioned | 13:16 |
| Qiming | I have added an item to the meeting agenda for you to talk about the receiver design | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 13:16 |
| Qiming | versioned notification ... emm ... no cycles on that | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | will quick go through the basic idea | 13:17 |
| Qiming | have been contacting brian about sdk version cut | 13:17 |
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| yanyanhu | great | 13:17 |
| Qiming | I think we are in good shape for a new sdk version and we actually need it badly, it is breaking senlin gates | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | hope it will include all those features we are expecting | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | the gate is broken now... | 13:18 |
| Qiming | any other topics beside policy/profile validate and zaqar support? | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | nope from me | 13:18 |
| elynn | no | 13:18 |
| Qiming | I was thinking about adding start_server and stop_server today | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | as part of the HA story | 13:18 |
| Qiming | if we know a sever was just accidentally stopped, we can just start it | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | it can even get used in an autoscaling scenario | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | yes, that will be useful | 13:19 |
| Qiming | if you want to scale out, just "start" a sever that was previously stopped | 13:19 |
| Qiming | that will make things very quick | 13:19 |
| elynn | yes, like nova-compute are shutdown and recover | 13:20 |
| elynn | Then we might need to start our vm nodes. | 13:20 |
| Qiming | it is a little bit complicated when we are talking about nova-compute ... | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | maybe this feature can be used to support quick scaling :) | 13:20 |
| Qiming | I hope there are notifications about nova-compute going down, but got no confirmation so far | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | as well as scaling to standby cluster | 13:21 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:21 |
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| elynn | oh, you remind me a topic about standby cluster | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, :) | 13:21 |
| Qiming | it could be very easy, 90% documentation + 10 % code | 13:21 |
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| yanyanhu | yes | 13:21 |
| Qiming | okay, anything else about newton work items? | 13:21 |
| elynn | it is a useful scenario. | 13:21 |
| Qiming | we'll try get a new sdk version this week and have the gate fixes | 13:22 |
| Qiming | fixed | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | then standby cluster will be real "standby" | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | then we freeze senlinclient, then senlin rc1 | 13:22 |
| zzxwill | @Qiming, based on OSC 3.0? | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, ok, will finish the patches for zaqar v2 api | 13:22 |
| Qiming | zzxwill, we already support OSC | 13:22 |
| zzxwill | Thanks. | 13:23 |
| Qiming | just there are some defects about the --profile parameter | 13:23 |
| Qiming | it is ... a conflict with the existing osprofiler parameter | 13:23 |
| Qiming | we don't want to change the name | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | so OSC will deprecate '--profile' parameter in April 2017, according to the plan | 13:23 |
| Qiming | then we can completely throw away our own CLI | 13:24 |
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| elynn | Since people seldon enable osprofiler in their env, that would be ok... | 13:24 |
| zzxwill | Got it. I saw your comments to a bug. | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | that is the best result we can get, considering the concern about the existing users | 13:24 |
| Qiming | #topic health checking update | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | I think I have gone thru most of them just now | 13:25 |
| Qiming | there are still a lots of gaps, will do my best to close them one by one | 13:25 |
| Qiming | any questions/comments about health? | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | great. hope there will be a fantastic demo for summit | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | if our topic is accepted | 13:26 |
| Qiming | I can already give you one, :) | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | cool :) | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | if you cherrypick the patches, you can try it yourself, ;) | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | ok, will make try | 13:27 |
| Qiming | let's move on | 13:27 |
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| yanyanhu | hope my devstack is not too old | 13:27 |
| Qiming | #topic zaqar receiver's design | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-message-type-receiver | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | yes, this is the etherpad to record the idea | 13:27 |
| Qiming | if you haven't checked this etherpad, you may need to go thru it quickly | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | spent some time to think about the design of message type of receiver | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | based on my current understanding of zaqar message | 13:28 |
| Qiming | okay, please do your best to avoid a new middleware | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, I considered to reuse webhook | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | just found some gaps there | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | need more thinking here | 13:29 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:29 |
| Qiming | webhook is already dirty | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:29 |
| Qiming | I'm not sure if there are security breaches there | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | it could be | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | actually the same situation for message notification | 13:30 |
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| elynn | It might be... | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | so we need to create an endpoint for zaqar to invoke anyway, right? | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | yes, Qiming | 13:32 |
| Qiming | that endpoint, for zaqar, is a webhook? | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | it's for subscriber | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, currently, zaqar supports two types of subscriber, webhook and mail | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | http/https | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | it is not like we create a listener, hook it to some target, topic then get notified? | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | no | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | it doesn't work as message broker | 13:33 |
| Qiming | sigh, that is not a message queue | 13:33 |
| elynn | are we going to port webhook based on zaqar? | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | another kind of message service | 13:33 |
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| yanyanhu | elynn, that could be possible, but the use case will be different | 13:34 |
| Qiming | sounds like it could be | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | since for message type of receiver, user will send message to zaqar queue to trigger action | 13:34 |
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| yanyanhu | by for webhook type of receiver, user directly send http request to trigger action | 13:34 |
| Qiming | that step we don't care in our code, though we can document it in senlin tutorial | 13:35 |
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| yanyanhu | for the former one, zaqar will stay between enduser and senlin to transimit message | 13:35 |
| Qiming | for senlin, the only difference is that the zaqar is playing the user's role, invoking our webhook | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, you mean? | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | just zaqar actually can do more | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | including some security help | 13:36 |
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| elynn | that's great | 13:36 |
| Qiming | okay, so we can somehow extend webhook to accommodate it? | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | I can't find the link, but zaqar team are now working on a new feature called authenticated subscription notification | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | something like this | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | can't recall the exact name | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | em, sounds an interesting feature | 13:37 |
| Qiming | just like the semi-autoscaling scenario previously mentioned by chuck | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | yes, with it, the subscriber, e.g. senlin can choose to reject notification from zaqar which is triggered by message posting | 13:38 |
| Qiming | there are things out of senlin's domain | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yes, I think so | 13:38 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:38 |
| Qiming | POST webhooks/{webhook_id}/trigger | 13:38 |
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| yanyanhu | no sure this feature will be completely support after newton cycle | 13:39 |
| Qiming | with a body and/or params | 13:39 |
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| yanyanhu | but it is very useful I think | 13:39 |
| Qiming | is zaqar providing some additional info in the request body or header? | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | no, sadly... | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | zaqar simply send post request to subscriber url with fixed body | 13:40 |
| Qiming | so that we know that is a notification different from others? | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | then maybe we can just extend webhook middleware/api? | 13:40 |
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| yanyanhu | I think there should be information embedded in the request body | 13:40 |
| Qiming | do hope so | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | but I don't think user can customize the notification | 13:41 |
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| yanyanhu | will do more investigation on it | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | okay, thanks | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | actually, the control bar provide by zaqar is mainly supported using "claim" | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | em, needs some experimentation on it | 13:42 |
| Qiming | if their docs are not so great | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | which is a kind of "initiative" message grasping from queue | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | yes, need more tests | 13:42 |
| Qiming | okay, that sounds something with value | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | anyway, will focus on this in coming week | 13:42 |
| Qiming | thanks | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | and will also ask feilong for his suggestion | 13:43 |
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| yanyanhu | I think it is too late for him now :) | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | will contact him tomorrow | 13:43 |
| Qiming | yep, very too late, :) | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | yes... | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | midnight | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | okay, move on? | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | sure | 13:44 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussions | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | so ttx has sent out notes about room requirements during barcelona summit | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | we need to figure out how many sessions we need this time | 13:44 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, we need to figure out our work sessions | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | I'll create an etherpad for soliciting ideas | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | great | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | will propose the idea | 13:45 |
| Qiming | will let the team know | 13:45 |
| elynn | will fill things in after you created it. | 13:45 |
| yanyanhu | do have something want to make f2f discussion | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | the space is not so plentiful when compared to austin | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | yes... seems so | 13:46 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu | hope can get chance to travel, haha | 13:46 |
| Qiming | Senlin: 1fb, 5wr, cm:half | 13:46 |
| Qiming | that is the data from austin, we had 1 fishbowl, 5 working room and half day committer meetup | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | the last session is almost useless, would rather spend that half day talking to other teams | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu | abosolutely | 13:47 |
| elynn | yes... | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | cross team communication is important | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | #action Qiming to create an etherpad for design summit session proposals | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | very helpful to talk some important issues and reach concensus | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu | thanks, Qiming | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | even there is no conclusion, communication is still .... as usual ... sometimes .... useless | 13:49 |
| Qiming | hahaha | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:49 |
| Qiming | did I say useless? | 13:49 |
| Qiming | I meant useful | 13:49 |
| zzxwill | :) | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | that's sad, but true sometimes... | 13:49 |
| guoshan | :) | 13:49 |
| elynn | Talking about cross team communication, I remember haiwei mentioned that tacker will try to use senlin in their project | 13:49 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:50 |
| elynn | Not sure how is that going. | 13:50 |
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| yanyanhu | oh, right, hope can get a chance to talk with tacker team | 13:50 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/352943 | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu | I just didn't find the bp which was approved | 13:50 |
| Qiming | it will save their a lot energy doing things not aligned to the core value of tacker | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu | have the same feeling | 13:52 |
| Qiming | but, it is still an open community, people decides what they want to do | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | good news from brian just now: "I'm back to work today so I will get caught up on reviews and do a release asap. I'll let you know when it happens. | 13:53 |
| Qiming | " | 13:53 |
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| yanyanhu | great | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | anything else? | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | will propose new patchset for zaqar claim support asap tomorrow | 13:54 |
| Qiming | good | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu | nope from me | 13:54 |
| elynn | Hope we can get our patches in before cutting a new release. | 13:54 |
| Qiming | yes, let's make it happen | 13:55 |
| elynn | no more from me :) | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | alright, thanks for joining | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | thanks, have good night | 13:55 |
| Qiming | it's late, good night | 13:55 |
| zzxwill | Thanks, good night. | 13:55 |
| elynn | good night all:) | 13:55 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
| guoshan | night~ | 13:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 13:55:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-23-13.00.html | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-23-13.00.txt | 13:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-08-23-13.00.log.html | 13:55 |
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| saggi | #starmeeting karbor | 15:01 |
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| saggi | #startmeeting karbor | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 15:01:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is saggi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 15:01 |
| saggi | Hi everyone | 15:01 |
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| yuval | hey | 15:01 |
| saggi | How are we all doing? | 15:02 |
| yuval | great :) | 15:02 |
| saggi | wonderful | 15:02 |
| saggi | There are no suggested items in the agenda | 15:03 |
| saggi | So I'll jump straight to: | 15:03 |
| saggi | #topic open discussion | 15:03 |
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| yuval | the rename is in process | 15:03 |
| yuval | openstack infra has a meeting today later, which I won't be able to attend | 15:03 |
| saggi | At what time? | 15:04 |
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| yuval | hopefully we will have the rename window soon | 15:04 |
| yuval | 19:00 utc | 15:04 |
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| saggi | Do we need representation there? | 15:05 |
| saggi | So we need to ask the to do something? | 15:06 |
| yuval | it is supposed to be on their agenda | 15:06 |
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| yuval | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 15:06 |
| saggi | It's at 22:00 IST | 15:06 |
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| saggi | I'll try and be there | 15:06 |
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| saggi | I'll be in front of the computer anyway | 15:07 |
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| yuval | that's it | 15:07 |
| saggi | Do you want me to ask them something? | 15:07 |
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| saggi | about requirements.txt ? | 15:07 |
| yuval | Not really | 15:08 |
| saggi | How we should handle those problems? | 15:08 |
| saggi | OK | 15:08 |
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| yuval | that's it? | 15:09 |
| yuval | saggi: ? | 15:10 |
| saggi | yuval: pinged you on os-dev | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | don't expect an infra rename window soon | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | it requires a gerrit downtime which we won't schedule until after feature freeze for sure and may be longer than that | 15:12 |
| anteaya | but yes, attending the infra meeting will help | 15:12 |
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| saggi | anteaya: What kind of timeline are we talking about? | 15:13 |
| anteaya | unknown, putting something on the infra meeting agenda and attending is the best way to find out | 15:13 |
| saggi | :) | 15:13 |
| anteaya | we haven't discussed it in a while | 15:13 |
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| saggi | I assume renames are not that common | 15:14 |
| anteaya | correct | 15:14 |
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| saggi | If there is nothing else, I'll wait here a bit to see if someone is going to come late. | 15:17 |
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| saggi | The western hemisphere meetings are much quieter but this is when most unexpected guests show up. :) | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | nice | 15:21 |
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| saggi | OK, thanks everyone | 15:29 |
| saggi | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 15:29:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-23-15.01.html | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-23-15.01.txt | 15:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-08-23-15.01.log.html | 15:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 16:01:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:02 |
| bobh | o/ | 16:02 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | Hi folks, who is here? | 16:02 |
| neel | o/ | 16:02 |
| tbh | o/ | 16:02 |
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| n-harada | o/ | 16:02 |
| diga | o/ | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | Greetings everyone! | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | let's start... | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Aug_23rd.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | there are many items.. we will cover as much as possible today | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | obviously Newton release related things are higher priority | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 16:04 |
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| janki | o/ | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: hi | 16:04 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, hey | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | I'm proposing to expand Tacker Core team with Yong Sheng Gong | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102126.html | 16:05 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, was just reading that of yours | 16:05 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, +1 from me | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | Please provide your inputs to the thread in the ML | 16:05 |
| s3wong | hello | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: ^^^ gongysh is proposed to joined to tacker-core | 16:06 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that is great! | 16:06 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: he certainly has made the contributions and done a lot of reviews | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | he is not in the channel due to the tz, which we need to fix the mtg timing - hopefully post newton release.. | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else to announce? | 16:07 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: tackerclient release? | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yes, thanks for reminding.. | 16:08 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: np | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | a checkpoint tackerclient 0.6.0 is released now | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-August/001461.html | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | This includes auto-scaling and event-logging api changes.. | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | we still need to wait for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358612/ to merge for this to show in your nearest devstack :) | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | Note, this is not the final new tackerclient release.. we will get to it shortly | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Newton Release Status | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | We just have 3 days left to make your final tackerclient changes for Newton.. | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20160826T11&p0=283&msg=Tacker+Client+Release&font=slab | 16:11 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tackerclient/+bug/1524243 - pending on me, will push the patch in sometime | 16:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524243 in python-tackerclient "infra driver is fixed by python tacker client" [High,New] - Assigned to Digambar (digambarpatil15) | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: looking up | 16:11 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: was on vacation in the last week so got late, sorry for that | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: that is a biggee, we need that deprecation warning to merge .. this is a MUST do | 16:12 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: yes, I am pushing in next half an hour | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: thanks, again .. the scope is just to throw deprecation warnings for mgmt_driver and infra_driver in the API | 16:13 |
| sripriya | diga: will you be handling mgmt_driver deprecation as well? | 16:13 |
| diga | okay | 16:13 |
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| diga | yes | 16:13 |
| sripriya | diga: thanks | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: it make sense to do this in one shot.. | 16:13 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1591361 | 16:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1591361 in tacker "Fix data handling for vnfd, config and param yaml templates" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Janki Chhatbar (jankihchhatbar) | 16:14 |
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| diga | sripriya: np | 16:14 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: yes | 16:14 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: are we only looking for deprecation warning to go into newton? | 16:14 |
| janki | sripriya, as of yesterday's discussion with sridhar_ram, we decided to move it to Ocata | 16:14 |
| diga | No, we have decided to remove those | 16:15 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, sripriya, the above mentioned bug | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: let's quickly recap as there is some confusion here... | 16:16 |
| diga | janki: wait wait, lets finish on one thing | 16:16 |
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| janki | diga, I replied to the sripriya's comment on bug 1591361 | 16:16 |
| openstack | bug 1591361 in tacker "Fix data handling for vnfd, config and param yaml templates" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591361 - Assigned to Janki Chhatbar (jankihchhatbar) | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: janki: we *cannot* deprecate the current attributes: carrying raw-string vnfd until we introduce the vnfd: <json> | 16:16 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: okay got it | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: the deprecation related to the one you are handling .. mgmt_driver and infra_driver .. are orthogonal to this discussion | 16:17 |
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| diga | okay | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: janki: my current sense is we are cutting too close to make this API change this late, until you folks can convince me this is a fairly a trivial change that can be handled in next couple of days | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: janki: thoughts ? | 16:18 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram, lets move it to ocata | 16:19 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: let me evaluate the changes today and get back? | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sure.. | 16:20 |
| janki | from what Isee, there is no deprecation involved. completing removing "string" and adding "json" should be done | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: we *cannot* remove string attributes:vnfd .. that is by API policy, we never remove .. we can only deprecate in release X and remove it in release X+1 | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: there are users who are using Tacker directly using its API.. not just the tackerclient CLIs | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: we cannot break them | 16:22 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, ohh, ohk. So adding just the dperecation warning should'nt take much time. | 16:22 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram, it would be just a line in client.py right? | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: let sripriya take a swag at this .. and we can go from there | 16:23 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, sure :) | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | we need to get to other things in this mtg | 16:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | Folks - if you see anything in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-tackerclient .. that needs to go into Newton.. please flag it to the core team ASAP | 16:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | otherwise, it will miss Newton! | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | From my scan, https://review.openstack.org/341389 (VNFFG client) is the significant pending this.. | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | and the two issues we discussed today - diga's deprecation fix and json vnfd | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else with client impacting change? | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-release-priority | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | Looking at ^^^ | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344592/ - is this a must do for Newton ? | 16:27 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i’m not sure when exactly will the keystoneclient lib will be removed in favor of keystoneauth1 | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: then i would punt this to Ocata.. we have enough in the plate now | 16:28 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: there is no specific release mentioned in the deprecation bp | 16:29 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: so yes, we can move this to Ocata | 16:29 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+spec/deprecate-to-ksa | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: okay, lets punt! | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | Moving to areas beyond client, auto-scaling and event-log has merged.. | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | VNFFG and alarm-monitoring are pending | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | they have few weeks to wrap it up.. | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | Team - please continue to help out picking https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-release-priority | 16:30 |
| janki | VNFFG horizon support patch in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347779/ | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: any heads from the tosca-parser / heat-translator world for Newton ? | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | *heads up | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: again, we have 2 - 3 week window to wrap it up | 16:31 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: nothing major that I know of - substitution_mapping is in the works I believe, otherwise just minir features | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks.. | 16:31 |
| bobh | s/minoir/minor/ | 16:31 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram, yes. Just pointed it. No other intentions :) | 16:32 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, bobh substituion_mappings initial patch got merged | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: sure, no worries :) | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: I know KanagarajM is looking for a heat-translator change to fix a bug in auto-scaling .. this fix is needed for selective VDU scaling, which is a must do Newton | 16:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: bobh: if you folks can help to guide that fix in heat-trans side, that would greatly help | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on Newton ? | 16:34 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, sure | 16:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | topic Barcelona Design Summit space | 16:35 |
| * sridhar_ram expects this to be a quick one | 16:36 | |
| sridhar_ram | Currently we are allocated "Tacker: 1fb, 3wr, cm:half" | 16:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | which translates to 1 big Fishbowl slots, 3 Working Session and 1 Contributor meetup | 16:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | I think this is more than enough.. | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | anyone thinks we need more? | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'm going w/ no.. unless i hear any specific ask | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Late Newton BPs | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | #info VNF create with direct TOSCA template input | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/vnf-inline-template | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | This has been a blocked for some NFVOs to start using Tacker as the VNFM | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | *blocker | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | currently they need to push a VNFD first, followed by a vnf-create.. | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | this BP is asking to support a vnf-create where VNFD template is passed in .. | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. no VNFD template is pre-populated.. | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | thoughts ? | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: <poke> | 16:40 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: sorry, got pulled away - let me catch | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: np | 16:41 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: will this tomorrow be applicable for vnffg too? | 16:41 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: seems like a reasonable request - could always put it into the catalog and deploy it all in one motion | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: hmm, good question.. | 16:41 |
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| vishwanathj | if the VNFD is not stored in the catalog, will there be a column in VNF that will capture the VNFD info? | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: .. it would be nice, if the template doesn't even gets into the catalog | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: yes, it need to be | 16:43 |
| vishwanathj | ok, then it makes sense | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | anyone see a major risk to approve it this late.. ? | 16:43 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: so this is a separate workflow other than catalog management | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yes.. | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: a one short usage of tacker - to directly get to vnf-create.. | 16:44 |
| mike_m | Hi, isn't this more of an optimization of api calling? | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | the assumption is the required mgmt-drivers and mon-drivers are already in place | 16:44 |
| vishwanathj | would this also support providing a params file along with VNFD template? | 16:44 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ok, but we will not save this to catalog db. just to understand this clearly | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: agree, you can look at this that way.. basically use one API to get both info but in the backend do the two operation that we do today | 16:45 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: this could be done via shell script wrapper | 16:45 |
| mike_m | true, or get the NVFO to do the 2 calls | 16:45 |
| mike_m | (NFVO) | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: that doesn't gel well for the NFVO workflow, where we can expect *every* vnf-create to turn into {vnfd-create + vnf-create} .. there will be *ton* of VNFD catalog entries in the Tacker.. which will be ugly | 16:47 |
| mike_m | ok I understand the use case better | 16:47 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: they want custom VNFDs for every VNF deployment? | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: not necessarily, they don't want Tacker to host a Catalog. these are maintained in either in NFVO or at times even a component adjacent to NFVO | 16:48 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: ok - interesting use case | 16:49 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, but is it not deviating from the standard? | 16:49 |
| sridhar_ram | this goes into the realm of delivering a "version" of Tacker that is purely a "VNFM" .. no NFVO-ish creep | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: not necessarily, we have smudged the layering a bit already.. infact, remember we discussed a bit more pure NFVO-VNFM separation in the midcycle ? | 16:50 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: + catalog separation | 16:51 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: so are there standard APIs that decouple the two, so VNFM/vnf-create would always accept a VNFD from the NFVO side? | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yep | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: there is no API standardization, AFAIK.. there is an effort in OPNFV to do that though.. | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: we should present Tacker's API as one of the seeds for that effort | 16:52 |
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| * sridhar_ram notes 8mins left in the mtg | 16:52 | |
| sridhar_ram | overall, looks we might need more time to discuss this .. perhaps a tacker-specs is warranted to discuss this through ? | 16:53 |
| mike_m | yes I agree | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: okay.. | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | back to nfvo-vnfm separation, again from the midcycle, we envisioned a possible subproject within official Tacker umbrella to move all NFVO-ish feature out of the VNFM portions | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | something for you all to think about :) | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | github.com/openstack/tacker-nfvo :) | 16:55 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, are we ignoring client sides changes or we also include as apart of this BP? | 16:55 |
| tbh | *as part | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: thats where the bind is.. as there will be API / client changes.. | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: i think this is practically impossible for Newton.. | 16:56 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yup I think so | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | I know we touched a bit of Ocata.. which is natural consider where we are and the right thing to do | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | let's take up Ocata grooming next week | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | one major thing I'd like to bring up for Ocata track .. is decomposed vim-drivers (infra_driver).. | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. so that we can start supporting many of them | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | Quickly on VNFC .. | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339798/ | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | anyone have issues to approve this with a scope only to support Heat SoftwareComponent ? | 16:59 |
| tbh | and also implementation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358321/ | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | well, we are out of time for today.. | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | lets take it up in gerrit | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | there is no client changes for VNFC.. so there is room | 16:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: mike_m: please review above vnfc spec | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: will do | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 17:00:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| mike_m | will do | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-23-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-23-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-08-23-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| mmedvede | #startmeeting third-party | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 17:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:01 |
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| mmedvede | anyone around for third-party CI WG meeting? | 17:02 |
| ja3 | I yam | 17:02 |
| mmedvede | I just realized the date was wrong in the agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_Working_Group_meeting | 17:02 |
| mmedvede | so fixed | 17:02 |
| mmedvede | hi ja3 | 17:02 |
| asselin | hi | 17:02 |
| ja3 | pish posh who pays that much attn to agenda contents? shirley not me. | 17:02 |
| mmedvede | there is no agenda other than standard topics :) | 17:03 |
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| mmedvede | #topic Open Discussion | 17:04 |
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| asselin | i don't have any topics to discuss | 17:05 |
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| mmedvede | me neither. Slow time lately for CIs | 17:06 |
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| ja3 | we're still chasing internal problems and scaling limits (in our own code) | 17:06 |
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| mmedvede | business as usual then :) | 17:08 |
| mmedvede | our CI keeps running into problems with zuul | 17:09 |
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| mmedvede | just have to watch it. Hoped it would be more stable at 2.5 tag | 17:09 |
| mmedvede | memory leak seem to have gone, which is good | 17:10 |
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| mmedvede | I'll keep the meeting open for a bit, in case someone with questions shows up | 17:13 |
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| mmedvede | thanks for attending | 17:21 |
| mmedvede | #endmeeting | 17:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 17:21:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-08-23-17.01.html | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-08-23-17.01.txt | 17:21 |
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| dolphm | ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, crinkle, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, jaugustine, joesavak, jorge_munoz, knikolla, lbragstad, MaxPC, morgan, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek, nishaYadav: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/key | 18:00 |
| dolphm | stone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
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| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:00 |
| ayoung | HOOOAH! | 18:00 |
| dolphm | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
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| rderose | o/ | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| dolphm | i assume stevemar is still planning to be lazy | 18:01 |
| gyee | \o | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | he's off partying | 18:01 |
| gagehugo | hello! | 18:01 |
| breton | o/ | 18:01 |
| dstanek | hiya | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | alrighty then | 18:01 |
| knikolla | o/ hello! | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| crinkle | o/ | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 18:01:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic fishbowls / work rooms / meetups | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fishbowls / work rooms / meetups (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
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| amakarov | hi | 18:02 |
| dolphm | so, this summit is going to be layed out a bit differently (as i suppose every summit is), but the schedule is also going to be a bit cramped | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | so, we're being asked to choose the last few details of our schedule | 18:02 |
| dolphm | to quote the agenda: In Austin we had 5 fish bowl sessions, 8 work room sessions; 2 half-day meetups | 18:02 |
| ayoung | Here we have one 15 minute meeting | 18:03 |
| ayoung | Of which 12 minutes are already booked | 18:03 |
| bknudson | 3 minutes to get started... | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | sounds like my kinda meeting | 18:03 |
| samueldmq | hi keystoners! | 18:03 |
| dolphm | we don't have a summit planning etherpad yet, do we? | 18:03 |
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| gagehugo | I haven't seen one yet | 18:04 |
| dolphm | without one, does anyone recall us having too many / not enough fish bowls and/or work rooms in austin? | 18:04 |
| dolphm | otherwise, i assume we can aim for the same basic schedule regarding bucket topics | 18:05 |
| ayoung | Lets blow it off and go rock climbing in the Pyrenees | 18:05 |
| dolphm | we know where to find ayoung on monday :) | 18:05 |
| jamielennox | i cant' really rock climb, but sangria on the other hand... | 18:05 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 18:05 |
| dolphm | the biggest outstanding question regarding schedule that we have is whether we want to have a contributor meetup on *friday afternoon* -- it's the only available time slot | 18:06 |
| dolphm | typically, a lot of people start flying out sometime after lunch on friday | 18:06 |
| bknudson | jamielennox can hold the rope in one hand and sangria in the other. | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:06 |
| knikolla | i'll probably leave friday morning, friday afternoon/evening flights were crazy expensive | 18:06 |
| gagehugo | same | 18:06 |
| dolphm | so this is basically a question for those of you that have already booked travel - will you be available and interested in having a contributor meetup on friday afternoon? | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | they are useful if you can make it but it's always subject to travel plans :/ | 18:06 |
| ayoung | bknudson, Sangria will go in a Camelback I think. | 18:06 |
| * breton will stay till Sunday | 18:06 | |
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| * rodrigods Monday to Friday | 18:07 | |
| shaleh | \o | 18:07 |
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| nishaYadav | o/ | 18:07 |
| * amakarov will stay for weekend | 18:07 | |
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| samueldmq | dolphm: could Thursday night work? | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | looks like everyone will still be there | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | samueldmq, hard to have a meetup over the sound of Flamenco Guitarres | 18:08 |
| dolphm | samueldmq: this is our only wiggle room in the schedule | 18:08 |
| dolphm | #callvote FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE ALREADY BOOKED TRAVEL, will you be available AND interested in a contributor meetup on Friday afternoon (say, 1-5pm)? Yes, No, I didn't read the question, I haven't booked travel, What is a contributor meetup again? | 18:09 |
| dolphm | #startvote FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE ALREADY BOOKED TRAVEL, will you be available AND interested in a contributor meetup on Friday afternoon (say, 1-5pm)? Yes, No, I didn't read the question, I haven't booked travel, What is a contributor meetup again? | 18:09 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE ALREADY BOOKED TRAVEL, will you be available AND interested in a contributor meetup on Friday afternoon (say, 1-5pm)? Yes, No, I didn't read the question, I haven't booked travel, What is a contributor meetup again? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 18:09 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:09 |
| ayoung | ¡Olé! | 18:09 |
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| henrynash | #vote Yes | 18:09 |
| * dolphm has not booked travel so i'll abstain | 18:09 | |
| amakarov | #vote yes | 18:09 |
| rderose | #vote yes | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | I haven't booked so I'll abstain as well | 18:10 |
| * jamielennox will be around friday night regardless | 18:10 | |
| rderose | I haven't booked travel, but plan to | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | #vote I haven't booked travel | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | #vote I haven't booked travel | 18:10 |
| gagehugo | #vote I haven't booked travel | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | dolphm when do we have to have an answer? | 18:10 |
| ezpz | #vote I haven't booked travel | 18:10 |
| henrynash | #vote I haven't booked travel | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: within a couple days, i think | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: we had time to take a vote here, and that was about it IIRC | 18:10 |
| dolphm | maybe til end of week? | 18:11 |
| dolphm | but it sounds like a yes so far | 18:11 |
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| knikolla | #vote no | 18:11 |
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| dstanek | #vote I haven't booked travel | 18:11 |
| breton | #vote I didn't read the question, I haven't booked travel, What is a contributor meetup again? | 18:11 |
| dolphm | #showvote | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | i assume that if we commit to a meetup, we would get a room and stuff like that | 18:11 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: yes | 18:11 |
| dolphm | alright... | 18:12 |
| ayoung | This trip is between my Wife's Birthday and Haloween, making it hard for me to extend on either end. | 18:12 |
| dolphm | #endvote | 18:12 |
| openstack | Voted on "FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE ALREADY BOOKED TRAVEL, will you be available AND interested in a contributor meetup on Friday afternoon (say, 1-5pm)? Yes, No, I didn't read the question, I haven't booked travel, What is a contributor meetup again?" Results are | 18:12 |
| dolphm | haha | 18:12 |
| henrynash | #vote Yes | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | are the results showing up for you ? | 18:12 |
| samueldmq | I can't see them ... is the bot broken? | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | dolphm killed the votebot dolphm killed the votebot | 18:13 |
| breton | lol | 18:13 |
| dolphm | samueldmq: the bot is holding us in anticipation | 18:13 |
| knikolla | no results, but it looks like a yes | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | lol | 18:13 |
| dolphm | #showvote | 18:13 |
| dolphm | #endvote | 18:13 |
| dolphm | whatever, it's a yes | 18:13 |
| dolphm | 3 vs 1 IIRC | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | c'mmon openstack | 18:13 |
| dolphm | now, everybody go book travel :) | 18:13 |
| jaugustine | the suspense ! | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | yes! | 18:13 |
| * lbragstad pats votebot on the shoulder | 18:13 | |
| dolphm | now onto more pressing matters... | 18:14 |
| dolphm | #topic Release status | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | the gate has been rough lately, so please get things gating! | 18:14 |
| dolphm | All feature work and high priority bugs should be approved or gating by friday, the gate is crazy backed up | 18:14 |
| bknudson | gate backup started early this time. | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | if you're looking for something to review (and want to get a heads up on using our new rolling upgrades approach), review credential encryption... which has the most outstanding patch sets to be merged of the remaining bps: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/credential-encryption | 18:15 |
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| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355618/14 is the most indepth review | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | the rest are pretty trivial and documentation | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355618/ | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | (removed the patchset from the link) | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | i would be forever grateful for reviews on the database triggers | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | dstanek thanks | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | s/dstanek/dolphm/ | 18:16 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: you're welcome anyway | 18:17 |
| dolphm | the mapping_populate patch needs a nudge (last I looked, I +2'd, but the release notes needed a rev) | 18:17 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343028/ | 18:17 |
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| dolphm | and while lbragstad is pre-occupied knocking out credential encryption, we could use some hands to performance validate amakarov's patch | 18:17 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309146/ | 18:17 |
| ayoung | I can | 18:18 |
| dolphm | and then we have a nasty list of bugs | 18:18 |
| ayoung | I'll look at both | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | "The patch uses dogpile.cache internal functionality so some calls may look strange" | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | lol | 18:18 |
| henrynash | on triggers/rolling upgrade, also look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357789/ | 18:18 |
| dolphm | henrynash: ++ | 18:19 |
| amakarov | samueldmq: say you like it )) | 18:19 |
| dstanek | my cache invalidation patch could use some eyes too | 18:19 |
| dolphm | #topic steve's list of big bad hairy bugs | 18:19 |
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| dstanek | #link https://review.openstack.org/349704 Distributed cache namespace to invalidate regions | 18:19 |
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| dolphm | ^^ | 18:20 |
| dolphm | definitely the nastiest, widest impact bug we have right now | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | and then henry's rolling upgrade fix is on steve's list | 18:22 |
| dolphm | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1596500 | 18:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596500 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Passwords created_at attribute could remain unset during rolling upgrade" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Henry Nash (henry-nash) | 18:22 |
| dolphm | there's some good background there before you dive into the code review | 18:22 |
| dolphm | which uses rolling upgrades :) | 18:22 |
| amakarov | if for some reason dstanek's patch won't go, here is the old way approach: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354831/ | 18:22 |
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| dolphm | rderose got another major bug fixed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1615000 (thanks!) | 18:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1615000 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Entry to User table creates entries in local_user table for ldap and custom driver users" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Ron De Rose (ronald-de-rose) | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | rderose: nice! | 18:23 |
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| dolphm | and then, if you're looking for something to work on -- we still have a couple that need to be investigated & debugged further | 18:23 |
| dolphm | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/newton-3 | 18:23 |
| rderose | samueldmq dolphm: thank you :) | 18:24 |
| dolphm | they all seem related, but again, the impact could be substantial, so the more eyes the better | 18:24 |
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| dolphm | has anyone kept up with bugs opened recently? | 18:25 |
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| lbragstad | I have not :( | 18:25 |
| rodrigods | dolphm, latest one i remember was the credential type | 18:25 |
| rodrigods | fix was approved already | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | fwiw - here is our weekly report - http://openstack-weekly-reports.lbragstad.com/keystone-weekly-bug-report.html | 18:25 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:26 |
| dolphm | i'm going to pick up the fernet key one - that's something i poked at recently anyway | 18:26 |
| dolphm | #topic Outreachy program in Keystone ends today | 18:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outreachy program in Keystone ends today (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:27 | |
| dolphm | samueldmq: nishaYadav: o/ | 18:27 |
| dolphm | floor is yours | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | hey | 18:27 |
| nishaYadav | hey :) | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | so, nishaYadav has been working with us in the last couple of months | 18:28 |
| rodrigods | really good work by nishaYadav and samueldmq | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | we were participating of the Outreachy round (which ends today) | 18:28 |
| rodrigods | congrats | 18:28 |
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| nishaYadav | thanks rodrigods | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | nishaYadav has implemented functional tests in ksclient, now most of v3 managers have tests | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | rodrigods: thx | 18:28 |
| breton | samueldmq: interesting, GSoC ends today too | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | besides the tests, nisha has improved the docs too! | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | it's been >30 patches merged! | 18:29 |
| dolphm | nishaYadav: your patches were a pleasure to review (and approve!) | 18:29 |
| nishaYadav | breton, yeah that's right outreachy and GSoc run in parallel :) | 18:29 |
| bknudson | great work. It'll be running multiple times a day keeping keystone working. | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | I just would like to tell everyone the round was succcessful for keystone | 18:29 |
| dstanek | that's great. looks like a success for keystone then! | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | and thanks nishaYadav for her awesome work | 18:29 |
| rderose | nishaYadav: thank you! | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:29 |
| dstanek | nishaYadav: thanks! | 18:29 |
| anteaya | nice work, nishaYadav | 18:30 |
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| gagehugo | thanks nishaYadav! | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | keep contributing nishaYadav ! | 18:30 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 18:30 |
| nishaYadav | thanks samueldmq for bringing this up in the meeting :) | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | thanks to everyone who helped me mentoring her .. and reviewing her work | 18:30 |
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| dolphm | #info Thank you for all your awesome work, Nisha Yadav! | 18:30 |
| nishaYadav | I am glad I worked on this project. | 18:30 |
| dolphm | there, now it'll be buried in your google results somewhere :) | 18:31 |
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| nishaYadav | dolphm, rderose anteaya gagehugo rodrigods thanks a lot | 18:31 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:31 |
| ayoung | well done | 18:31 |
| dolphm | #topic Open discussion | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 18:31 |
| dolphm | that's all on the official agenda - anyone have anything else for today? | 18:32 |
| anteaya | o/ | 18:32 |
| ayoung | So...got one | 18:32 |
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| nishaYadav | rodrigods, can't thank you enought :D | 18:32 |
| anteaya | <-- has an item | 18:32 |
| breton | what do you think about storing quota in keystone? | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | breton, nope | 18:32 |
| ayoung | breton, has come up many times | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | it is not the right place for it | 18:32 |
| ayoung | everytime, we've gone around the same race track | 18:32 |
| amakarov | ayoung: separate service? | 18:32 |
| dstanek | breton: if it's not identity related we shouldn't we involved | 18:33 |
| ayoung | the quotas are service specific items. They don't have enough commonality | 18:33 |
| amakarov | dstanek: it's project related ( | 18:33 |
| ayoung | you need a way todistribute them | 18:33 |
| dolphm | breton: i'd love to see a centralized quota management service, and it could be under the identity umbrella, but i don't think keystone itself is the right service | 18:33 |
| nishaYadav | I plan on keep contributing and hopefully meet you all in the upcoming OpenStack summit :) | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | it's an authorization problem, which is our wheelhouse | 18:33 |
| dstanek | amakarov: it's not though. it's maybe a 'foreign key' to a project with serivce specific meaning | 18:33 |
| ayoung | Its a billing problem | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ayoung: turns out we own the tenants :P i mean projects | 18:34 |
| samueldmq | nishaYadav: ++ | 18:34 |
| amakarov | dolphm: ++ | 18:34 |
| ayoung | Does that make us slumlords? | 18:35 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: .. yes. | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | Heh | 18:35 |
| amakarov | ayoung: helllords! | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | OK, so lets discuss at the summit. If we do centralized quota, we need to decide what that means | 18:35 |
| breton | agreed | 18:35 |
| dolphm | i think it's a complicated, valuable problem with it's own scaling concerns, so it makes sense to me to have it as a standalone service | 18:36 |
| dolphm | it's also something i wish someone had built 5 years ago | 18:36 |
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| shaleh | dolphm: ++ to all of that | 18:36 |
| dolphm | anteaya: don't hold back, it's an open floor | 18:37 |
| ayoung | OK...I have one, if we are done with that | 18:37 |
| dolphm | ayoung: sure | 18:37 |
| anteaya | we discussed meetbot in infra | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | Spec to ignore expiry and revocation on token validation | 18:37 |
| dolphm | anteaya: about me breaking it? | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | it seems that it doesn't like two spaces when expecting one | 18:37 |
| anteaya | also it is case sensitive | 18:37 |
| ayoung | It would be an incremental step toward what jamielennox was proposing at the midcycle | 18:37 |
| anteaya | it didn't feel it got any vote information | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | we are discussing making it case insensitive in -infra | 18:38 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358131/ | 18:38 |
| anteaya | feel free to share your thoughts | 18:38 |
| anteaya | thank you | 18:38 |
| anteaya | EOF | 18:38 |
| dolphm | did i double space something? | 18:38 |
| anteaya | someone did | 18:38 |
| ayoung | the gist is this: | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: oh - i still was intending to do that, i just had too much on directly after the midcycle to get it done for this release | 18:38 |
| anteaya | the only case correct vote | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: was still planning on it for early next cycle | 18:39 |
| ayoung | we would allow, say, glance, to validate the user's token passed along with the service token, but ignore the expiry or revoke status, | 18:39 |
| anteaya | the options were Yes and No, most folks used all lover case | 18:39 |
| notmorgan | o/ ish | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: turns out the auth_token middleware is the hard bit, just because of the framework that's built there | 18:39 |
| ayoung | so if Nova called Glance, we would have the mechanism | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, yep | 18:39 |
| dolphm | anteaya: ah, i do wish the vote responses were case insensitive, or numbered? (which might also require a direct reply to show you what option you selected) | 18:39 |
| breton | can we just sign requests from Nova to Glance? We already have x.509 authn in place | 18:39 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, one thing I was thinking was we could first get this part working, and then optimize with bulk token validations. Bulk meaning two here | 18:39 |
| anteaya | well it appears that making it case insensitive is on the table | 18:40 |
| anteaya | do speak up in -infra | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I thought we already had a mechanism to account for service tokens? | 18:40 |
| anteaya | but that was why there were no results | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: we do, but it's just treated as a seperate validation request | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | breton, so...even if we did, glance still needs to validate that the user has perms to do what nova is asking on behalf of the user | 18:41 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: just the way auth_token is setup, and keystone relies on it being set up, there's no way to pass through multiple tokens at once | 18:41 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I think that is fine to start, then | 18:41 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: but that should be just some delicate code reshuffling | 18:41 |
| dolphm | did we have an argument / alternative to the "Return expired tokens within a grace period" option? | 18:41 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345092/ | 18:42 |
| ayoung | we use service token for Nova, and pass the token as per normal, and glance needs the config to say "validate both, but on user pass this flag." | 18:42 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the flag being "ignore expiration on this second token?" | 18:42 |
| breton | ayoung: what if we sign a token and skip revocation for the token if it is signed | 18:42 |
| ayoung | dolphm, this is essentially the spec for that, but didn't realize we had a review | 18:43 |
| dolphm | i didn't realize there was a spec | 18:43 |
| ayoung | breton, ++ that is part of it | 18:43 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i had some code i was messing with, but its not up as i wasn't going to get it finished this cycle | 18:43 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think there is a need for an API change, which is why I posted the spec | 18:43 |
| ayoung | anyway, pleae hack on the spec, and make the APi code sane. | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | the code is pretty easy really, just needs a few different pieces in place | 18:44 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, skipping revocation, too, please | 18:44 |
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| lbragstad | henrynash still around? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | deal with the Horizon-log-out problem | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | i didn't change that | 18:44 |
| henrynash | lbragstad: hi | 18:44 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yes, that is the flag. | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | i wouldn't have thought we would skip revocation | 18:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, yeah, I think we need to. | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | henrynash dolphm and I were poking at an issue I was having when writing tests for the credential encryption migration | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | henrynash wonder if you happen to see this at all? http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-keystone/%23openstack-keystone.2016-08-22.log.html#t2016-08-22T17:49:58 | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | wondering* | 18:45 |
| dolphm | this thread also popped up on the mailing list, but hasn't gotten any love from us yet (there's no [keystone] in the subject line, so i'm assuming a lot of people missed it) | 18:45 |
| dolphm | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102012.html [openstack-dev] Mitaka: Identity V3 status and observations usingdomains | 18:45 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, if the project or role is revoked, the token should just not show those roles assigned, but an explicit revocation should be ignored, I think. | 18:46 |
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| notmorgan | jamielennox: we do need to skip revocation because horizon logout is an explicit revoke | 18:46 |
| henrynash | lbragstad: so we do run the previous (legacy) migration first... | 18:46 |
| notmorgan | which would cause things to fail | 18:46 |
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| lbragstad | henrynash interesting... | 18:46 |
| dolphm | henrynash: but that test suite does not | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | henrynash when it gets into my migration that does things to the credential table - it doesn't think it exists | 18:47 |
| henrynash | lbragstad: ...at least that was my attempt...in fact, if we didn;t then my patch would also fail (since I refer to the password table)....and this DID fail until I added the code to first migrate the legacy repo | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | which wouldn't necessarily be caught because the 001 migration is a noop | 18:47 |
| notmorgan | dolphm: i didn't even read that thread because no [<tag>] (emails without a tag get filtered out of my inbox completly | 18:47 |
| dolphm | notmorgan: i figured | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | henrynash did you add the code to migrate the legacy repo in your password migration patch? | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | henrynash or is that somewhere else? | 18:48 |
| henrynash | lbragstad: look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357789/ ...it would fail if we didn't run the legacy migration first | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | henrynash because I'll need to probably rebase my work on taht too | 18:48 |
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| henrynash | lbragstad: nope it's alreayd in master...see lines 1532/33 of test_sql_upgrade | 18:49 |
| * dolphm is looking to end the meeting early ... | 18:50 | |
| lbragstad | henrynash ah - the setUp of SqlExpandSchemaUpgradeTests | 18:50 |
| henrynash | as an aside, you should do self.upgrade(self.max_version) in your test, but you should do self.upgrade(2) | 18:50 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: henrynash: it's not a broad topic, so take it back to #openstack-keystone :) | 18:50 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:50 |
| henrynash | sorry...you shouldn't do self.upgrade(self.max_version) in your test, but you should do self.upgrade(2) | 18:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 18:50:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-23-18.01.html | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-23-18.01.txt | 18:50 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-08-23-18.01.log.html | 18:50 |
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| notmorgan | wait what... the meeting over early?! | 18:55 |
| notmorgan | unpossible | 18:55 |
| saggi | :) | 18:55 |
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| anteaya | saggi: after the docs in afs agenda item add "discuss next rename window (saggi)" as an agenda item please: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 18:57 |
| anteaya | or whatever words you like that means that | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | but puts it on the agenda | 18:58 |
| saggi | anteaya: sure, thanks | 18:58 |
| anteaya | thank you | 18:58 |
| anteaya | and thanks for attending | 18:59 |
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| saggi | my pleasure | 18:59 |
| anteaya | :) | 18:59 |
| fungi | infra team, i bid you awaken and come forth! | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
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| fungi | today's exciting topics provided by fungi and jeblair | 19:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 19:00 |
| anteaya | fungi: and saggi | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | anteaya: thanks, i just refreshed and see it on there now | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | ohai | 19:00 |
| anteaya | awesome, thank you | 19:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | today's exciting topics provided by fungi, jeblair _and_ saggi! | 19:00 |
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| saggi | o/ | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:00 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:00 |
| saggi | :) | 19:00 |
| jeblair | mrmph | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 19:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| fungi | #info Reminder: late-cycle joint Infra/QA get together to be held September 19-21 (CW38) in at SAP offices in Walldorf, DE | 19:01 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 19:01 |
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| fungi | looks like there are a scant 5 slots remaining, so if you're going you should hurry up and put your name in the registration table on that wiki page (or else be confined to the standby waiting list!) | 19:01 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | also, as always, if you have announcements get them to me prior to the meeting so i can add them here | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-16-19.02.html | 19:02 |
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| fungi | fungi Add [plugin "its-storyboard"] enabled = true to All-Projects config per https://review.openstack.org/347486 | 19:02 |
| fungi | i've done it, and also proposed the documentation update for it | 19:02 |
| Zara | \o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/358250 Document use of its-storyboard in Gerrit config | 19:02 |
| Zara | yaaaaaaaay | 19:02 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz launch new 30gb review-dev and add an appropriately sized cinder volume for ~gerrit2/review_site | 19:02 |
| fungi | i think i saw in scrollback that ianw was working on that some last night? | 19:02 |
| ianw | so ... | 19:02 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah | 19:03 |
| ianw | i've added a larger cinder volume and migrated ~gerrit2 to that on review-dev | 19:03 |
| fungi | complications? | 19:03 |
| fungi | ooh, awesome | 19:03 |
| ianw | but launch-node.py doesn't work? | 19:03 |
| ianw | the new host comes up without ipv6 address | 19:03 |
| ianw | i'm not sure if this is a new issue, or user error at this point | 19:03 |
| fungi | seems like a new issue | 19:03 |
| ianw | we can take it up after the meeting if there's nothing obvious | 19:03 |
| * rcarrillocruz would like to give an infracloud update when all topics are covered | 19:03 | |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: i'll work that into the priority efforts section in a sec | 19:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 19:04 |
| fungi | ianw: yeah, let's troubleshoot the launch script after the meeting | 19:04 |
| fungi | but i am eager to get to the bottom of it as i'm about to need to use it to launch some wiki servers | 19:04 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:04 |
| mordred | I would also like to know what's up | 19:04 |
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| fungi | none this week, but jeblair proposed a topic for later in the meeting to discuss one he hopes to bring up for a vote next week | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Infra-cloud (rcarrillocruz) | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts: Infra-cloud (rcarrillocruz) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| rcarrillocruz | so | 19:05 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: now would be the perfect time for that update! | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | we haz minimal infracloud | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | ricky@ricky-Surface-Pro-3:~$ export OS_CLOUD=infracloud | 19:05 |
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| rcarrillocruz | ricky@ricky-Surface-Pro-3:~$ openstack endpoint list | 19:05 |
| mordred | \o/ | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | +----------------------------------+-----------+---------------+--------------+ | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | | ID | Region | Service Name | Service Type | | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | +----------------------------------+-----------+---------------+--------------+ | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | | 58f9b46f6a614f0b9e01a3a86953a5a0 | RegionOne | nova | compute | | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | | 9f83cc19ad9c46c9b7426942c3b9e8f9 | RegionOne | Image Service | image | | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | | 5adbea48dfbc458b90081bdfa9b7317a | RegionOne | keystone | identity | | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | | b8f288f2eb8a4fb7897e732f880ccfbf | RegionOne | neutron | network | | 19:05 |
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| rcarrillocruz | +----------------------------------+-----------+---------------+--------------+ | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | \o/ | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | great, rcarrillocruz ! | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | controller.vanilla.ic.openstack.org if you want to take a peak | 19:05 |
| fungi | for posterity! | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | yay, but we want maximal infracloud! | 19:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll start tomorrow deploying compute hosts | 19:05 |
| pabelanger | to the extreme! | 19:05 |
| mordred | I both want and dont' want to know why glance's Service Name is "Image Service" | 19:06 |
| fungi | maximify next | 19:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | jeblair: indeed! | 19:06 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: after the first compue is up maybe we can do the performance sorting out in parallel? | 19:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | clarkb: ++ | 19:06 |
| clarkb | eg boot upload an nodepool image out of band and just manually time some test runs | 19:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | and yeah, i talked last week about doing a demo about deploying with bifrost and all | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | as soon as i get the ball rolling on computes | 19:07 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll work up on the tooling suggested by jeblair and bkero and will send an email to the mailing list for suitable times | 19:07 |
| jeblair | i'll make the popcorn | 19:08 |
| fungi | i could use some popcorn right about now. haven't had time to grab lunch yet | 19:08 |
| fungi | anything else on this topic? | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | not really | 19:08 |
| fungi | thanks rcarrillocruz! | 19:08 |
| rcarrillocruz | well, yolanda has used infracloud for opnfv | 19:08 |
| * mordred salutes our new infra cloud overlords | 19:08 | |
| rcarrillocruz | so that's also worth noting :-) | 19:09 |
| notmorgan | ooh nice rcarrillocruz ! | 19:09 |
| Zara | :D | 19:09 |
| fungi | indeed. way to go, yolanda! downstream use cases already | 19:09 |
| fungi | #topic Design summit session planning (fungi) | 19:09 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ocata-summit-planning Infra Ocata summit planning pad | 19:09 |
| fungi | i've added an excerpt from ttx's e-mail to the ptls late last week, and a section at the bottom where we can start pitching session ideas | 19:09 |
| fungi | i'll follow up with a message to the infra ml after today's meeting but wanted to get an idea of how many slots we think we might use this time | 19:09 |
| jeblair | didn't we just do this? | 19:09 |
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| fungi | (taking into account how effectively we did/didn't use our allocation last time) | 19:09 |
| fungi | yeah, seems like just last week | 19:09 |
| fungi | the main takeaway for slot allocations is that there are fewer available this time (shorter schedule plus new teams) | 19:10 |
| fungi | but the up-side is that the coming development cycle is shorter too | 19:10 |
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| fungi | in an effort to sync the conference/forum schedule up to mid-cycle timing so we can have the project team gatherings at the start of cycles | 19:11 |
| mordred | I actually don't have a ton of topics that I feel need in room discussion ... it seems like we're still working through the last set of topics | 19:11 |
| mordred | I mean, Ilike all of you people and everything | 19:11 |
| fungi | i _always_ feel like that for some reason | 19:11 |
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| mordred | just saying - very few burning issues | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | ya still working on xenial and ansible reporting reliability and zuulv3 etc | 19:12 |
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| fungi | so anyway, last time we had 3 fishbowls and 4 workrooms (plus the team gathering time) | 19:12 |
| jeblair | mordred: i agree -- i think we will have an opportunity to do what we need with zuulv3 planning at the infra meetup, and i think we'll mostly just be heads down around summit time | 19:12 |
| mordred | we coudl always just schedule an infra track in a bar | 19:12 |
| clarkb | maybe we can try to do more workroom sprint type stuff and actually hack on things | 19:12 |
| mordred | that is more heads down hacking | 19:12 |
| fungi | clarkb: that's where i was heading too | 19:12 |
| mordred | and we can ignore everyone else | 19:12 |
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| rcarrillocruz | ++ to more hacking | 19:12 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:12 |
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| fungi | i feel like our fishbowl sessions turn into hacking sessions, and our workroom sessions turn into hacking and some planning | 19:13 |
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| fungi | so turning the question around, is there a topic anyone's been thinking of that _needs_ a fishbowl with room for a larger group involvement? | 19:13 |
| zaro | anybody feel like planning another gerrit upgrade? | 19:13 |
| Zara | I'm not sure about task-tracking, since that also is cross-project | 19:14 |
| fungi | zaro: i would love to. i wanted to have one before we got to this point in the cycle. but the cycle sort of got away from us | 19:14 |
| anteaya | zaro: do we need a design summit session to do that? | 19:14 |
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| Zara | so if we're doing a status report or similar, that might be interesting to a wider audience | 19:14 |
| anteaya | zaro: for me, if you say there is something to upgrade to and you have tested it, all I need to participate in is selecting the date | 19:14 |
| zaro | might be premature to actually plan the upgrade atm though since i think we need to do a lot of work to even get to that point. | 19:15 |
| anteaya | zaro: and confirming the workflow | 19:15 |
| fungi | and anteaya makes a great point. i think we can just decide to upgrade soon after release week, but probably don't need an in-person discussion for gerrit upgrading | 19:15 |
| anteaya | zaro: yeah, so maybe tell us when you are ready and if you need us to do anything to help you get ready | 19:15 |
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| zaro | sure | 19:15 |
| anteaya | then we can select a date | 19:15 |
| fungi | Zara: agreed, the task tracking fishbowl has become a summit tradition. i would hate to let people down by not having one this time ;) | 19:16 |
| Zara | hahaha | 19:16 |
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| mordred | fungi: we could have an old school xml vs. json argument in its place | 19:16 |
| Zara | vim vs emacs? | 19:16 |
| mordred | ooh. a systemd bitch session! | 19:16 |
| fungi | zara types faster than i do | 19:16 |
| fungi | we could take other sessions as an opportunity to complain about systemd if we want | 19:17 |
| rcarrillocruz | lol, bring back upstart! | 19:17 |
| fungi | okay, so how about i ask for two (maybe one?) fishbowl and 4-6 workrooms? | 19:17 |
| mordred | fungi: I thnk I'm going to set a goal to complain about systemd in every session I attend. let's see how many times I can do it before I get kicked out | 19:17 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:17 |
| fungi | note that the contributor gathering time in barcelona will also be shorter (just a half day) | 19:18 |
| anteaya | are we just going to assume we will be folded into a meetup space with qa and release? | 19:18 |
| anteaya | that seems to work | 19:18 |
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| fungi | anteaya: it's possible. ttx didn't say anything (yet) about shared space for that, just the compressed timescale | 19:18 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:18 |
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| fungi | i do anticipate needing to do some release management automation work in person, which might fall into a workroom slot for either the release managers or infra (last time we ended up doing a lot of it in a breakout on the last day, but that was kinda disorganized) | 19:19 |
| clarkb | maybe an informal drop in and out monday hacking spot if people are around early | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | er for infra things | 19:20 |
| anteaya | yeah, if we can find a monday space that would be awesome | 19:20 |
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| fungi | also krotscheck had an interest in doing a session for javascript tooling, though that might also end up in a different "track" depending on what's more appropriate and who has available allocation | 19:21 |
| anteaya | apparently it is a holiday hence we can't summit monday | 19:21 |
| krotscheck | Yes. | 19:21 |
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| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: what might be open on the holiday monday? | 19:21 |
| krotscheck | Though, my travel has not yet been approved. | 19:21 |
| fungi | i think the board meeting is on monday? | 19:21 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: restaurant? park bench? church? | 19:21 |
| anteaya | oh is it? | 19:21 |
| fungi | i'd have to double-check | 19:21 |
| rcarrillocruz | well, given that barcelona is a very touristic and cosmopolitan city i don't really expect lots of restaurants closed | 19:21 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: thank you | 19:22 |
| fungi | but we could always get together and heckle the board members | 19:22 |
| fungi | especially mordred | 19:22 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: is this a relgious holiday? | 19:22 |
| mordred | fungi: I mean, I'll likely be hacking | 19:22 |
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| fungi | hacking the board, as always | 19:22 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: bank holiday? | 19:22 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i'd need to check, i suspect it may be a local/regional holiday | 19:22 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: thanks, I'm just curious | 19:23 |
| clarkb | in austin the private session seemed long | 19:23 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: for the board? | 19:23 |
| clarkb | giving plenty of hacking time for those doing both | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: ya | 19:23 |
| fungi | clarkb: yes, usually the closed session abuts lunch, so prime opportunity to gather and eat and hack, in some order | 19:23 |
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| fungi | unless you're on the board, i guess | 19:24 |
| * rcarrillocruz suggests http://www.parkguell.cat/es/ as hacking place for the bank holiday :D | 19:25 | |
| fungi | okay, i didn't want to burn too much time on this. i'll get a preliminary allocation request going (we've got until the 31st to revise it) and move this discussion to the ml... cool? | 19:25 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: thank you | 19:25 |
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| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: yes! | 19:25 |
| fungi | i'll keep this topic on the agenda for next week's meeting too, so we can make any last-minute decisions on revising the allocation request if needed | 19:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | it's a park full of Gaudi awesome things | 19:26 |
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| fungi | #topic Docs in AFS spec (jeblair) | 19:26 |
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| anteaya | yes | 19:26 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/276482 Update doc publishing spec for AFS | 19:26 |
| dmsimard | Sorry to disrupt the meeting but there's a couple of us bumping into unavailability issues for review.o.o ? | 19:26 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: that is where I will be | 19:26 |
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| AJaeger | with Rackspace having sold Cloud Sites - which we currently use for docs.openstack.org and developer.openstack.org (see http://venturebeat.com/2016/08/08/rackspace-sells-cloud-sites-hosting-business-to-liquid-web/ ), this spec might have some more urgency to it | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger: indeed! that was my motivation for dusting it off | 19:28 |
| dmsimard | review.o.o is back now, my apologies. | 19:28 |
| AJaeger | thanks, jeblair | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | i wanted to bring it up at this meeting to call attention to it so that we can vote on it at next week's meeting | 19:28 |
| fungi | i'm also cool with a proposal to move it into the priority efforts list, given the circumstances | 19:28 |
| anteaya | dmsimard: thank you for your discretion | 19:28 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, yes, please | 19:29 |
| fungi | rackspace has also contacted us with a request to "trim or relocate" the docs.o.o content | 19:29 |
| jeblair | fungi: ok, i can propose that in a followup and we can vote at the same time | 19:29 |
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| fungi | jeblair: sounds good | 19:29 |
| jeblair | note -- i did revise the spec and it now has a zuul v2.5 specific option | 19:29 |
| fungi | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/560837/ Cloud Sites ticket about docs.o.o size | 19:29 |
| fungi | for the record | 19:29 |
| jeblair | fungi: assumed urgency is real then... :) | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | most of you will know i'm generally not in favor of adding things to zuul v2.5 -- but i believe that what i've proposed is significantly better than the alternatives, and it includes a straightforward transition to v3. so i do not think it increases our tech debt. | 19:30 |
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| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 19:31 |
| fungi | i haven't looked back over the spec revision yet, but am interested a lot in the execution/logistics being covered. we'll want to see how long it takes to retrieve the current content, probably, and try stuffing it into afs to see if it breaks any of the reference count limits | 19:31 |
| jeblair | i also enumerated the work items in some detail... mordred has volunteered to help. i think there will be opportunities for others to help too. especially with the part where we have to put placeholder files at the start of our "virtual roots" in order to get the rsync stuff right | 19:32 |
| AJaeger | looking at the ticket: We have *very* old content on docs.openstack.org. Do we want to move all of that over? Like docs for *all* nova releases? | 19:32 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: for me that is a question for the doc team | 19:33 |
| jeblair | fungi: yah, i put the initial sync in as early as possible in the work items | 19:33 |
| fungi | given that not all the content there is built from existing jobs and will (presumably) need to be preserved, we likely will need a significant quiescence period for docs jobs so we can refresh (especially because it's currently only accessable via ftp) | 19:33 |
| AJaeger | Or start a new site from scratch? | 19:33 |
| * AJaeger is fine with starting from scratch | 19:33 | |
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| fungi | AJaeger: how do we get, e.g., the diablo install guide on there in that case? | 19:33 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: this is for more than docs team IMHO - I think we need to have a policy, e.g. we publish only "maintained" documents and not 10 year old documents | 19:33 |
| fungi | fair enough. i think that's a decision the docs team will need to come to though | 19:34 |
| AJaeger | fungi, that specific one might have been removed - the docs team removed old content and redirected | 19:34 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: perhaps it starts with doc team and moves to maling list? | 19:34 |
| docaedo | I've enjoyed the ability to find docs from older (even EOL'd things), would be a bummer for that stuff to just go away | 19:34 |
| fungi | i'm happy for us to provide input on the challenges caused by hosting unmaintained documentation which we don't have jobs to produce any longer | 19:34 |
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| AJaeger | ;) | 19:34 |
| AJaeger | Shall I start a discussion with the docs team? | 19:35 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: that is what I would encourage | 19:35 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yes, in parallel with this spec, it would be good to know the actual constraints from the docs side around retention and old content | 19:35 |
| AJaeger | fungi, give me an action, please | 19:35 |
| jeblair | well, i think syncing is possible. not syncing would be easier. i think we can have it either way. | 19:35 |
| fungi | since that may alter the migration plan in significant ways | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger: let's try to decide on that and update the spec accordingly before next meeting so we can vote on the final plan then | 19:36 |
| fungi | #action AJaeger start a docs ml thread to refresh constraints around retention of old/unmaintained documents | 19:36 |
| fungi | fallback is that we plan to keep it all, of course | 19:37 |
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| fungi | but if we discover partway into the process that keeping it all presents a significant problem, then having an out would also be great | 19:37 |
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| fungi | anybody else have anything they want to ask/suggest on the docs publication draft plan before we move subsequent discussion to gerrit? | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | o/ | 19:38 |
| krotscheck | I don't suppose we have anything like open analytics that lets us see whether or not anyone's still using that content? | 19:38 |
| clarkb | the docs team uses google analytics | 19:38 |
| AJaeger | krotscheck, loquacities has google analytics and can tell us some - I'll ask her | 19:38 |
| fungi | krotscheck: i think the docs team has urchin or something configured, so they may have reports | 19:38 |
| jeblair | if there are other volunteers to help with the work items (or if you would like clarification on them) please leave a comment in gerrit | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:39 |
| * krotscheck blinks. | 19:39 | |
| * krotscheck remembers getting his hand slapped 2 years ago when he asked to use Google Analytics. | 19:39 | |
| jeblair | this effort will be highly parallelizable, so it does not need to block on me or a small group. :) | 19:39 |
| fungi | krotscheck: yeah, non-open analytics | 19:39 |
| fungi | krotscheck: docs.openstack.org is the docs team's dominion, so we haven't imposed open ideals on them (yet anyway!) | 19:40 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: and last time we tried to change the hosting we were told no... | 19:40 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: though i'm sure they would be thrilled to switch to a different and more open analytics solution if it gets them what they need | 19:40 |
| AJaeger | If you set up piwik or another open analytics tool, I'm happy to advocate for it. | 19:41 |
| * krotscheck is short-timing, so someone else will have to take that on. | 19:41 | |
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| fungi | i'd be happy to see that proposed as a project (by anyone who wants to work on getting it going) | 19:41 |
| jeblair | fungi: [eot from me] | 19:41 |
| fungi | i suspect having more direct control over the content and publishing (which this spec gives us) will go a long way toward making that easier too | 19:42 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair! | 19:42 |
| AJaeger | thanks, jeblair ! | 19:42 |
| fungi | #topic Discuss next rename window (saggi) | 19:42 |
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| fungi | looks like the project formerly named higgins and the project formerly named smaug both want a repo rename | 19:43 |
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| saggi | Hi | 19:43 |
| saggi | yea | 19:43 |
| saggi | Wondering about timelines | 19:43 |
| saggi | and things to watch out for | 19:43 |
| fungi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Newton release schedule | 19:43 |
| fungi | we're coming up on week r5 when the third milestone releases happen | 19:44 |
| anteaya | to me it looks like October | 19:44 |
| anteaya | maybe first week of Oct | 19:44 |
| anteaya | the only week in sept that looks halfway possible is the infra sprint week | 19:44 |
| fungi | well, we could try to squeeze it in at the end of r5? (releases usually happen on thursdays) | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | the reindex is what takes the longest, I don't know that it would be very disruptive to our sprint | 19:44 |
| fungi | pleia2: though on a positive note, we have online resizing now! | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah :) | 19:45 |
| fungi | but this would be the first maintenance to try and make use of it | 19:45 |
| jeblair | fungi: online resizing? | 19:45 |
| fungi | so we still need to plan the outage for an offline reindex in case something unexpected happens | 19:45 |
| fungi | er, online reindexing | 19:45 |
| anteaya | yeah | 19:45 |
| * fungi has filesystems on the brainz) | 19:46 | |
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| jeblair | whew ok | 19:46 |
| fungi | online resize all open changes by 50 additional lines of code | 19:46 |
| fungi | just because | 19:46 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:46 |
| mordred | fungi: yay stackalytics numbers!!! | 19:46 |
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| pleia2 | I knew what you meant ;) | 19:46 |
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| fungi | i often fail at words | 19:47 |
| anteaya | they are overrated | 19:47 |
| fungi | okay, so what was the argument against friday september 2? | 19:47 |
| clarkb | is labor day around then? | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | wfm, and it's just before a US holiday so people might be leaving early | 19:47 |
| anteaya | for me was just who is willing to do the offline reindex if online fails | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | labor day is the following Monday | 19:48 |
| clarkb | people might be camping which can be goof or bad | 19:48 |
| anteaya | and timing | 19:48 |
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| pleia2 | clarkb: goof is right | 19:48 |
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| anteaya | fungi: but if you want sept, 2, I can be around to help | 19:48 |
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| zaro | i'm a maybe for the 2nd. | 19:48 |
| clarkb | 2nd wfm too | 19:49 |
| clarkb | no camping plans | 19:49 |
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| fungi | i can do the 2nd as well | 19:49 |
| fungi | shall we say 20:00-24:00 utc? | 19:49 |
| anteaya | I'm fine with that | 19:50 |
| fungi | or earlier? | 19:50 |
| mordred | I have no plans | 19:50 |
| anteaya | well I am wondering if ff will be done on the thursday | 19:50 |
| clarkb | I can do as early as 1500utc | 19:50 |
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| anteaya | or if we will have fallover | 19:50 |
| fungi | as you say, with a big chunk of the usa likely turning that into a 4-day weekend, out volume might slack off pretty early in the day | 19:50 |
| saggi | Is there something we need to do when right before\after ? | 19:50 |
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| anteaya | saggi: be attentive for reviews on your rename patch | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | saggi: just make sure your rename patches are in good shape | 19:51 |
| fungi | saggi: yes, as soon as you can you need to propose a change to rename your project in the openstack-infra/project-config repository | 19:51 |
| saggi | We are already renaming | 19:51 |
| anteaya | fungi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353304/ | 19:51 |
| saggi | We will be all changed up internally | 19:51 |
| fungi | anteaya: oh, thanks. i missed it on the agenda | 19:51 |
| anteaya | it is the depends on in the governance change that is linked to the wiki | 19:51 |
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| saggi | we will just have a few patches regarding git paths | 19:52 |
| fungi | cool | 19:52 |
| anteaya | saggi: what do you mean? | 19:52 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: no, governance change depends on this one. | 19:52 |
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| fungi | so how about 18:00-22:00 utc friday september 2? | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | saggi: yeah, we usually submit a .gitreview change as part of our process | 19:52 |
| zaro | i vote earlier the better. | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | fungi: +1 | 19:52 |
| saggi | anteaya: We are already changing the code and import paths | 19:52 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: the link on the meeting agenda is to a governance patch | 19:52 |
| anteaya | saggi: ah okay | 19:52 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: ah, ok - let's change that. | 19:53 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: feel free | 19:53 |
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| AJaeger | saggi: can you do that, please? | 19:53 |
| anteaya | I was just saying what is there | 19:53 |
| fungi | dhellmann: any feel for if having a gerrit maintenance start at 18:00 utc on friday the 2nd (the day after milestone 3) is going to cause issues for the release team? | 19:53 |
| AJaeger | saggi: 353304 should be in the wiki | 19:53 |
| fungi | also, who wants to send the maintenance announcement? | 19:53 |
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| saggi | AJaeger: Where in the wiki ? | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | fungi: I can take care of it | 19:54 |
| fungi | #action pleia2 send maintenance announcement for upcoming gerrit project renames | 19:54 |
| fungi | thanks pleia2! | 19:54 |
| anteaya | thanks pleia2 | 19:55 |
| AJaeger | saggi: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting - the Upcoming rename section | 19:55 |
| fungi | #agreed Tentatively scheduled Friday, September 2 from 18:00-22:00 UTC for Gerrit rename maintenance, pending feedback from Release Managers | 19:55 |
| fungi | anything else we need to cover on renames? | 19:55 |
| anteaya | saggi: thanks for attending and motivating the discussion | 19:55 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:56 |
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| fungi | we've got a bunch more puppet changes up for wiki updates, in case anyone is interested in reviewing those | 19:56 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:wiki-upgrade+is:open Open wiki-upgrade changes | 19:56 |
| saggi | anteaya: np | 19:56 |
| fungi | also the release managers and i would be thrilled to get the launchpadlib stuff for the signing node approved rsn | 19:56 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:artifact-signing+is:open Open artifact-signing changes | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | I started having a look, will revisit | 19:56 |
| fungi | pleia2: yep, thanks for going through those | 19:56 |
| fungi | yolanda, Krenair and jpmaxman have been reviewing too | 19:57 |
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| anteaya | I move we close the meeting so fungi can eat | 19:57 |
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| fungi | heh, i plan to eat while i spectate/lurk the tc meeting ;) | 19:57 |
| zaro | i'm soliciting feedback for Gerrit verify-status plugin. would appreciate some eyes on it, http://138.68.20.113:8080/#/c/2/ | 19:57 |
| anteaya | fungi: none today | 19:57 |
| fungi | oh! | 19:57 |
| fungi | right, openstack east has eaten most of our tc | 19:58 |
| anteaya | fungi: they are in nyc for operators and openstack east | 19:58 |
| fungi | well then, i'll just work and try not to get too much grease on the keyboard | 19:58 |
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| pleia2 | thanks for chairing, fungi | 19:59 |
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| fungi | we're out of time--thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 20:00:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-23-19.01.html | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-23-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-23-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : a maintenance window the day after milestone 3 feels a bit tight. I guess we're running out of good times at this point in the cycle, though. | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | fungi : I'll move to -infra | 20:01 |
| fungi | thanks dhellmann | 20:01 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 23 21:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | hello! How are y'all? | 21:01 |
| trandles | o/ | 21:01 |
| priteau | Good evening oneswig | 21:01 |
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| julian1 | Hi! | 21:01 |
| oneswig | priteau: trandles: julian1: hello! | 21:01 |
| julian1 | All good. | 21:01 |
| julian1 | How about yourselves? | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | not 3 bad :-) | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | blairo sends his apologies. | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | I think he's back from vacation next week | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Lets get rolling | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_23rd_2016 | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | #topic Planning for WG events in Barcelona | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | Is everyone planning to go? | 21:03 |
| priteau | I am planning to go | 21:03 |
| julian1 | Sadly not. | 21:04 |
| trandles | still waiting on travel approval :( | 21:04 |
| julian1 | My institution only pays for in-country conferences. | 21:04 |
| oneswig | julian1: apologies for that. Hopefully it'll be good from afar... | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | BTW there are travel grants, for governments, non-profits and charities IIRC? | 21:04 |
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| julian1 | Thanks oneswig. Yup, I will be living vicariously through irc. | 21:05 |
| trandles | I thought the grants were only for students but I might be wrong about that. | 21:05 |
| oneswig | trandles: you are probably correct, I never qualified so don't know the details | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | (as in, I never qualified for the grant, not qualified as a student...) | 21:05 |
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| trandles | haha | 21:06 |
| oneswig | anyway, back in Austin there was a session which was quite busy and hard to make constructive | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | There were ~100 people there, for 40 minutes! | 21:06 |
| priteau | it's not just students as far as I know | 21:06 |
| priteau | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Travel_Support_Program | 21:06 |
| oneswig | thanks priteau | 21:06 |
| priteau | but the deadline was August 8 | 21:07 |
| trandles | In theory that wg session was a nice idea. In practice there were too many people. | 21:07 |
| trandles | or not enough structure... | 21:07 |
| oneswig | For the WG sessions I was thinking we should do some short BoFs on the 4 activity areas, running consecutively | 21:08 |
| oneswig | If we have time pressure, perhaps pick 2 | 21:08 |
| oneswig | In some way this might bring together all the discussions and activities of WG members over the cycle | 21:08 |
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| oneswig | Thoughts on that? | 21:09 |
| priteau | oneswig: I wasn't at the Austin summit, but I think it's a good idea to have focused discussions | 21:09 |
| oneswig | Thanks priteau, good point, last time there wasn't really time to sharpen focus on anything | 21:10 |
| trandles | +1 the idea. Consecutively would be nice but if that's not possible maybe parallel with an executive summary session to bring the 4 back together? | 21:10 |
| oneswig | trandles: Right, Id prefer consecutive sessions over concurrently-running sessions, I think some people might want to be in more than one | 21:11 |
| oneswig | What's the best way to organise a BoF? | 21:11 |
| martial | I agree, last time was a little hard to 1) know where to go and 2) so many people and the room acoustics was not that great | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Thanks martial, it was a bit like that | 21:12 |
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| trandles | oneswig: there's actually an RFC on BOFs | 21:12 |
| trandles | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5434 | 21:12 |
| oneswig | Ooh | 21:12 |
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| oneswig | Quite a big RFC it turns out... | 21:13 |
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| oneswig | Can you summarise what you've seen to work well? I was wondering whether we should do lightning talks, panel, open discussion, all 3? | 21:14 |
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| oneswig | I just saw a part about posting a CFP on the mailing list - that would make good sense | 21:14 |
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| trandles | Unfortunately I haven't had great experiences at BoFs. They need some good organization and focus to be productive. | 21:15 |
| martial_ | do you think we would be able to get 4 rooms ? there was quite a few people per topic and some people wanted to be in more than one discussion | 21:15 |
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| martial_ | meeting in the corridor on Friday was fun (the lack of chairs less so :) ) | 21:16 |
| oneswig | I think they are more constrained for rooms in Barcelona, that's all I know right now | 21:16 |
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| trandles | Do you want the BoF to be a generic "sharing of stories" or something more targeted? | 21:17 |
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| oneswig | If we were able to get room for two sessions, which two? Parallel filesystems, bare metal, accounting/scheduling or user stories? | 21:17 |
| oneswig | trandles: I have something more like sharing of stories in mind, what about you? | 21:17 |
| martial_ | I think the first two were the ones with the most participants last times ? | 21:18 |
| oneswig | martial_: I'd go along with that, there's more of a defined problem with those two for people to get around as well. | 21:18 |
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| priteau | I am interested in bare metal of course, but wouldn't it duplicate with meetings from both Ironic developers and OpenStack operators? | 21:18 |
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| trandles | oneswig: if the BoF is sharing of stories then it could/should be captured and used to fulfill the user stories focus area for the WG. | 21:19 |
| oneswig | priteau: ideally we'd get some of the Ironic people to join in. And it would be dumb if we scheduled so there was a conflict. Something to bear i mind | 21:19 |
| oneswig | trandles: good point, yes | 21:20 |
| anteaya | there will be space and time conflicts, it is unavoidable | 21:20 |
| oneswig | Hi anteaya | 21:20 |
| anteaya | mostly select your priorities in decending order | 21:20 |
| oneswig | thanks for joining | 21:20 |
| anteaya | hey oneswig | 21:20 |
| anteaya | welcome | 21:20 |
| anteaya | and then the organizers can do their best | 21:20 |
| anteaya | noone will get everything they want | 21:20 |
| anteaya | hopefully everyone will get something in their top 3 | 21:20 |
| oneswig | anteaya: I'll do that and when the request goes out I'll try to flag up some of the conflicts to avoid with the main conference trac | 21:21 |
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| anteaya | yeah, I would talk to thingee and ttx early | 21:21 |
| anteaya | so they are aware of your priorities | 21:21 |
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| anteaya | and they will try to do their best for you | 21:21 |
| oneswig | OK thanks I'd not thought of approaching them | 21:21 |
| anteaya | but no promises | 21:22 |
| oneswig | indeed | 21:22 |
| anteaya | if they aren't the folks to help you they will find the right person for you | 21:22 |
| anteaya | but they are a good starting point | 21:22 |
| oneswig | I think with some BOF sessions, the actual committee proceedings will be pretty short. I like the idea of some separation between them | 21:23 |
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| martial_ | last time, the room was pretty full too | 21:23 |
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| anteaya | martial_: rooms will be full this time too | 21:23 |
| oneswig | martial_: it was massive :-) | 21:23 |
| anteaya | hopefully boston will be more roomy | 21:23 |
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| oneswig | There's also discussion on an evening social. | 21:24 |
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| anteaya | good idea | 21:24 |
| oneswig | Last time there was an informal plan. | 21:25 |
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| oneswig | Perhaps we should plan something | 21:25 |
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| martial_ | I guess the mailing list is a good way to plan this :) | 21:25 |
| oneswig | It's also possible we might get vendors to contribute some beer | 21:25 |
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| oneswig | Does anybody object to me enquiring on that? | 21:26 |
| priteau | oneswig: it would be good to synchronize with the Ops Meetup as well to avoid conflicts, but they don't have any info online yet: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 21:27 |
| oneswig | anteaya: do you know more? | 21:27 |
| priteau | the planning etherpad is empty | 21:27 |
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| oneswig | They have a meetup in NYC this Thursday - anyone going? | 21:27 |
| anteaya | oneswig: do I know more about getting sponsors for an evening event? | 21:28 |
| oneswig | anteaya: sorry, no, do you know if the ops have an evening social planned? | 21:28 |
| anteaya | or do I know more about objections to you getting sponsors? | 21:28 |
| anteaya | ah, I have no idea | 21:28 |
| anteaya | fifield is your best person there | 21:28 |
| anteaya | he would know | 21:28 |
| oneswig | anteaya: OK thanks, I'll check | 21:29 |
| anteaya | or co-ordinate if that is the best path | 21:29 |
| anteaya | sure | 21:29 |
| oneswig | Better note some of these, hold on | 21:29 |
| anteaya | this meeting is logged | 21:29 |
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| oneswig | ... any objections for the record? | 21:29 |
| anteaya | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2016-08-23.log.html | 21:29 |
| oneswig | That'll recurse off to infinity! | 21:30 |
| oneswig | Hopefully infra's made of stronger stuff | 21:30 |
| oneswig | :-) | 21:30 |
| anteaya | we are fairly hearty | 21:30 |
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| oneswig | OK was there anything more to mention re: Barcelona? | 21:31 |
| trandles | any ETA on talk acceptance | 21:31 |
| trandles | that's the kind of thing that often breaks loose travel approvals | 21:32 |
| anteaya | trandles: you can contact the foundation directly | 21:32 |
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| oneswig | trandles: The deadline for selection was Monday, I think the Foundation were going to let people know imminently | 21:32 |
| anteaya | in the past the selection committee took most of august to go through submissions | 21:32 |
| trandles | cool, thanks | 21:32 |
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| martial_ | I was wondering ... seems very researchy ... how about posters sessions for the scientific working group for people to talk about their work ? | 21:33 |
| anteaya | martial_: the problem is the space to put them | 21:33 |
| martial_ | would be a great social opportunity | 21:33 |
| oneswig | martial_: as a format for the BOF or generally? | 21:33 |
| anteaya | if you want to put things virually and share the links in an etherpad that would work | 21:33 |
| martial_ | oneswig: as an add on in a way | 21:33 |
| martial_ | anteaya: that might be good, not "talk" talk but would help with the user story component and then we can do the filesystem/baremetal | 21:34 |
| anteaya | sure | 21:34 |
| oneswig | I think if we can get enough contributors it might work. Posters might get less uptake than a lightning talk though? | 21:34 |
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| anteaya | the issue with the summit is anything one group does all the vendors want to do too | 21:34 |
| anteaya | and wall space doesn't scale | 21:35 |
| anteaya | where as urls do | 21:35 |
| martial_ | true | 21:35 |
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| martial_ | I just feel like most of the swg people have great ideas and tests that they are ready to discuss if given the chance | 21:35 |
| martial_ | (last time was a great example of that) | 21:35 |
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| anteaya | it almost might be worthwhile for the swg to have its own meetup | 21:36 |
| anteaya | then you can do posters since you have the venue | 21:36 |
| martial_ | and as such giving them an opportunity to do so in a "social" mode might help | 21:36 |
| oneswig | OK how about take it to the user-committee | 21:36 |
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| martial_ | (just a crazy thought) | 21:36 |
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| anteaya | martial_: it is a good thought | 21:36 |
| oneswig | anteaya: I think we are - if the BOFs count as that | 21:36 |
| anteaya | martial_: just finding the right venue is the trick | 21:36 |
| martial_ | oneswig: how does that work ? happy to try to help if I can | 21:37 |
| anteaya | oneswig: well except you are alloted space by someone else | 21:37 |
| anteaya | where as if you had your own meetup like the ops meetup in manchester you have the space | 21:37 |
| anteaya | but anyway, I'm likely getting ahead of the group | 21:37 |
| anteaya | sorry about that | 21:37 |
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| oneswig | anteaya: that's a possibility but perhaps you're right its ahead of where we are today. Cost justifications for travel might be tricky for example, would need to put on a compelling event | 21:38 |
| anteaya | agreed | 21:38 |
| anteaya | so again, finding the right balance | 21:39 |
| oneswig | Let's move forward, thanks for all the ideas | 21:39 |
| oneswig | #topic UX Interviews on quota management | 21:39 |
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| oneswig | OK, just wanted to make people aware given this has come up a few times in WG meetings | 21:39 |
| oneswig | Admittedly mostly in the other timezone | 21:40 |
| oneswig | There's an effort by some people to gather views on improving quota management. | 21:40 |
| oneswig | Hold on, I'll post a link | 21:40 |
| oneswig | #link quota management mail http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-August/001186.html | 21:40 |
| oneswig | Previous WG discussions have focused on the difficulties of managing both personal quotas and group quotas in a hierarchical manner | 21:41 |
| oneswig | I wanted to make sure that if there were people in the WG who have pain points here, this is the opportunity to make them clear! | 21:41 |
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| oneswig | I think that's all I had on this - they are looking for input up to the end of the month IIRC | 21:42 |
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| martial_ | I saw the deadline as yesterday, nothing from me | 21:43 |
| oneswig | Ah, isn't it end of this week? | 21:44 |
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| uxdanielle | Hi there! Yes, we have someone scheduled in the first week of September, so any time before 9/7 works | 21:44 |
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| oneswig | Thanks uxdanielle! Can you shed any light on how the interviews work? What kind of information are you looking for? | 21:45 |
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| uxdanielle | Interviews are 45 minutes long - we are simply trying to learn about how people manage quotas, so we can understand what the pain points are | 21:46 |
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| uxdanielle | The findings will be used for user stories, and feedback will be provided to teams working to improve quotas | 21:47 |
| oneswig | And user stories will find their way to the PTLs of the right projects, I guess? | 21:47 |
| uxdanielle | Earlier this week we've asked people to describe their cloud and how they set up and modify quotas | 21:47 |
| anteaya | oneswig: that is the theory, however talk to a few ptls and ask them how many user stories they have seen or accessed | 21:48 |
| uxdanielle | Yes, I've met with some folks that have weighed in on the questions of the interviews, so they will hopefully get some useful information from this :) | 21:49 |
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| anteaya | I do hope folks in the swg are attending project weekly meetings of the projects they are interested in | 21:49 |
| oneswig | I have been to some, probably not enough... | 21:49 |
| anteaya | eavesdrop.openstack.org is the url for the meeting information | 21:49 |
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| anteaya | some is a good start | 21:49 |
| trandles | I try to attend ironic meetings but likewise, probably not often enough. | 21:49 |
| anteaya | the meetings will show you what information the ptls pay attention to | 21:50 |
| anteaya | trandles: thank you for attending | 21:50 |
| oneswig | Did see this though - soliciting input for Ocata cycle for Ironic: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-ocata-summit | 21:50 |
| anteaya | also logs of meetins are available again at eavesdrop.openstack.org | 21:50 |
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| uxdanielle | http://doodle.com/poll/7tid473za2hpi6e7 << This is the link you can use to sign up for an interview slot if you're interested in participating | 21:50 |
| anteaya | if you see a project asking for feedback, give feedback | 21:51 |
| trandles | oneswig I hadn't seen that, thank you | 21:51 |
| oneswig | uxdanielle: Thanks | 21:51 |
| anteaya | that is your best route to being heard | 21:51 |
| anteaya | not trying to undermine ux research, we need better ux | 21:51 |
| oneswig | Time is getting the better of us, anything more to say on this subject? | 21:51 |
| trandles | anteaya I definitely read logs when I can't attend | 21:51 |
| anteaya | but don't wait on user stories to convey your needs, go to meetings yourself | 21:51 |
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| anteaya | trandles: awesome, thank you | 21:51 |
| uxdanielle | Ping me with any other questions; thanks for bringing this meeting to my attention! | 21:51 |
| oneswig | uxdanielle: you're very welcome | 21:51 |
| oneswig | #topic Planning for SC2016 | 21:52 |
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| martial_ | thanks anteaya & uxdanielle | 21:52 |
| oneswig | Actually I don't have news here. I know there is an OpenStack BoF application but I didn't hear if it has been accepted. | 21:52 |
| trandles | oneswig: that acceptance is first week in Sept. IIRC | 21:53 |
| oneswig | trandles: Ah, thanks, I will look out for that | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | In the meantime, fingers crossed | 21:53 |
| martial_ | would be nice, likely going to SC2016 too :) | 21:54 |
| oneswig | trandles: did you contact Mike Lowe IIRC he was looking for OpenStack presentation subject matter for the IU booth? | 21:54 |
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| trandles | oneswig: I did not | 21:54 |
| oneswig | Ah OK I seem to remember that coming up | 21:54 |
| oneswig | martial_: It's possible I may see you there... | 21:55 |
| trandles | I'll look for details | 21:55 |
| martial_ | oneswig: and in Barcelona if all goes well | 21:55 |
| oneswig | martial_: of course - excellent | 21:55 |
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| oneswig | I am generating content for the OpenStack HPC white papers - 2.5 in draft now, awaiting selected reviews before they'll go to the group for further refinement | 21:57 |
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| oneswig | #topic Any other business | 21:57 |
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| oneswig | News from the Scientific OpenStack world? | 21:58 |
| trandles | Who do I see about creating 30 hour days so I can get more done? | 21:58 |
| julian1 | Hehe... | 21:58 |
| anteaya | i asked in #openstack-ironic about user stories, if anyone had heard of them, I got no reply | 21:58 |
| anteaya | heard of any that applied to ironic | 21:59 |
| trandles | anteaya I'd be happy to chat about my use case for using ironic to provision HPC clusters | 21:59 |
| oneswig | anteaya: ah, sounds like there's a blockage in the process plumbing ... | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Shall we arrange for a future meeting to invite some people from Ironic? | 22:00 |
| anteaya | trandles: I think spending time in #openstack-ironic is your best way to be heard | 22:00 |
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| anteaya | and attending the ironic weekly meeting | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Alas I think we are out of time but we have plenty to follow up on here | 22:01 |
| anteaya | or attend the ironic weekly meeting | 22:01 |
| trandles | anteaya sounds good | 22:01 |
| anteaya | trandles: thank you | 22:01 |
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| oneswig | Thanks all, time to wind up | 22:01 |
| martial_ | thanks all | 22:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 23 22:02:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-23-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-23-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-23-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
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