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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 12:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
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| asalkeld | anyone about? | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 12:01 |
| ryansb | \p | 12:02 |
| ryansb | \o | 12:02 |
| skraynev | o/ | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | i'll wait a bit, small crowd | 12:03 |
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| BillArnold | hi | 12:03 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: sigh | 12:03 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 12:03 |
| asalkeld | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 12:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:04 | |
| zaneb | ananta: about? | 12:04 |
| ananta | Hi | 12:04 |
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| zaneb | excellent | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | there was one old action for me to email re: meetup | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | still not done, not sure if it is needed tho' | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | anyway moving on... | 12:05 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:05 | |
| asalkeld | zaneb, more convergence discussion at the end? | 12:06 |
| zaneb | yes please | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | k | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | #topic Remove deprecation properties | 12:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove deprecation properties (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:06 | |
| asalkeld | skraynev I assume ^ | 12:07 |
| skraynev | sure, Just want collect more feedback about this email topic http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054645.html | 12:07 |
| skraynev | asalkeld and shrady already answered, so other opinions are welcome | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, so given that these templates are stored | 12:07 |
| skraynev | s/shrady/shardy | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | it is really tricky to truely remove | 12:08 |
| zaneb | I agree with asalkeld's mail | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | unless it can be dynamically converted | 12:08 |
| skraynev | I had a suggestion about how to make it "short" | 12:08 |
| zaneb | I don't see how we can ever ditch this stuff completely | 12:09 |
| pas-ha | could we forbid only stack creation with some properties, but still support update/delete? | 12:09 |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha, maybe? | 12:10 |
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| asalkeld | it's going to get messy | 12:10 |
| ryansb | I feel like that would be really annoying for users who (say) clean migrated to a new openstack installation | 12:10 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: and preview and template validate too, I suppose | 12:10 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, yes, only those that assme some non-existing-yet stack | 12:11 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: I think if you put the check in the validate() call, then it will have that effect | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, there is no easy answer here other than come up with a really clever idea and sell it to us | 12:11 |
| zaneb | that is, Resource.validate() | 12:11 |
| pas-ha | validate is also done on update, no? | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | yes it is | 12:12 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: we don't validate the old one on update, only the new one | 12:12 |
| zaneb | at least, we shouldn't | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, rollback? | 12:12 |
| pas-ha | aha, so forbid updates that use "deprecated" properties too | 12:12 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: I don't think so | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | we just grab the old template and update | 12:12 |
| zaneb | nothing calls validate as a side effect any more | 12:13 |
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| zaneb | it's done explicitly by create_stack and validate_template | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | ok, that could end up been a problem tho' | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | if this exact problem comes up, operator updates | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | and property disapears | 12:14 |
| skraynev | so how will be look whole deprecation process? 1. we mark it as deprecated, 2. then add migration. 3. what we plan to do after 3 releases after that? | 12:14 |
| zaneb | right, it can | 12:14 |
| zaneb | right, it can't disappear | 12:14 |
| asalkeld | just make it "invisible" | 12:14 |
| zaneb | but we can start failing validation on it so that new stacks don't get created with deprecated properties | 12:15 |
| pas-ha | so, what do we care exactly about? which upgrade scenario would we enforce/recommend? | 12:15 |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha, yeah "the how we do this" | 12:15 |
| asalkeld | do we do a migrate and how | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | etc... | 12:16 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev, anything more to talk about? | 12:16 |
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| skraynev | hm.. | 12:16 |
| skraynev | not sure, that fully understand what we plan to do after 2 releases | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | 1. don't ever totally remove properties | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | 2. maybe get smart and migrate to new properties | 12:17 |
| pas-ha | what if we move "deprecated" to "not supported" after deprecation period? how will it affect at least old stack deletion? | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | 3. validate on create (don't allow old properties) | 12:18 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: do't think that deletion is a problem case | 12:18 |
| skraynev | the most important it's rollback | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | 4. don't rename properties unless really needed? | 12:19 |
| skraynev | deletion will work independent from properties | 12:19 |
| pas-ha | not sure why upgrade when some stacks are IN_PROGRESS | 12:19 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: № 4 ++++ | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | anything controversial there? | 12:19 |
| zaneb | skraynev: I believe that's correct | 12:20 |
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| asalkeld | when resources start looking old, maybe it's better to create a new resource | 12:20 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: no. last question: what about my last suggestion to move deprecated property in option of property? | 12:21 |
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| pas-ha | yay, resource versioning :) | 12:21 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: not always.... | 12:21 |
| asalkeld | reading back | 12:21 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: I know randallburt was keen to have that, not sure what's happening with it though | 12:22 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054739.html | 12:22 |
| skraynev | this one ^ | 12:22 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, yeah that might work | 12:23 |
| zaneb | skraynev: I like that and I think you should try implmenting it | 12:23 |
| zaneb | it may be harder than you'd hope | 12:23 |
| asalkeld | like oslo.config | 12:23 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, ok, agree for large deployment you don't want to pause everybody on upgrade in ideal case | 12:23 |
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| asalkeld | I am going to move on | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | #topic kilo-2 | 12:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-2 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:24 | |
| skraynev | zaneb: it's always, only hard ideas :) | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-2 | 12:24 |
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| asalkeld | jpeeler, lazy loading? | 12:24 |
| asalkeld | what's up with that? | 12:24 |
| skraynev | asalkeld, zaneb: ok, I will sent email with summarization results :) | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | thanks skraynev | 12:25 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, you know where jpeeler is with that? | 12:25 |
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| zaneb | I don't, sorry | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | mmm | 12:25 |
| zaneb | I suspect he's busy with other stuff | 12:25 |
| asalkeld | decouple-nested it going to be tight | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | fighting the tests | 12:26 |
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| asalkeld | nearly rewriten half the tests | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | (or feels like it) | 12:26 |
| asalkeld | inc0 not here? | 12:26 |
| ryansb | doesn't seem so | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | ok, i'll follow up with him | 12:27 |
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| asalkeld | the others don't look risks | 12:27 |
| asalkeld | risky | 12:27 |
| ryansb | not sure where he's located, but it's 4am on the west coast FWIW | 12:27 |
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| pas-ha | zaneb, could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147461/ - I suspect that it is not that simple as I've done it, most probably missed smth | 12:27 |
| pas-ha | that is about bug 1384750 | 12:28 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: ok, I'll take a look | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | ok we have a bout 10 days until kilo-2 | 12:28 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, thnx | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | so review things for k2 please | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | (try to focus on them) | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | i'll move on | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | #topic convergence | 12:29 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, ananta .. | 12:29 |
| ananta | zaneb: please proceed | 12:29 |
| skraynev | it's show time :) | 12:29 |
| zaneb | so I posted to the ML a couple of days ago | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | i saw | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | nice so lets get stuck in | 12:30 |
| zaneb | with an updated branch that is, I think, pretty close to what ananta is proposing | 12:30 |
| ananta | i need to review the code on github... but from the mail I agree to most of it | 12:30 |
| zaneb | so ideally I'd like to get code reviews on that and input on anything that's still different | 12:30 |
| zaneb | ananta: cool, that's a good sign :) | 12:30 |
| ananta | zaneb: sure | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | what are the next steps | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | who needs to do what | 12:31 |
| zaneb | next step I think is to break this down into tasks | 12:31 |
| zaneb | maybe create specs/bps? | 12:31 |
| zaneb | and assign them to people | 12:31 |
| zaneb | I think a bunch of folks are interested in helping | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | yes | 12:32 |
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| zaneb | I'm probably going to be mostly limited to reviewing | 12:32 |
| zaneb | other commitments :/ | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, are you and ananta going to try break things down | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | into tasks? | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | you have your heads in it | 12:32 |
| ananta | i will work with zaneb to break down | 12:33 |
| zaneb | my plan was to take a first pass at it and post to the ML for input | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | cool | 12:33 |
| ananta | into implementable specs and tasks | 12:33 |
| zaneb | ananta: did y'all have migration plan in mind? | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | after decouple-nested i can help with things | 12:33 |
| zaneb | I have the beginnings of one in my head somewhere | 12:33 |
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| ananta | you mean db migration? | 12:34 |
| zaneb | no | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | operator migration | 12:34 |
| zaneb | not even that | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | and stack migration | 12:34 |
| zaneb | more like how can we implement this incrementally without having all the code be broken in the meantime | 12:34 |
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| zaneb | so we don't have to try and land everything on the same day ;) | 12:35 |
| ananta | this could be done only after our approach is final :) | 12:35 |
| pas-ha | how about implement worker API on the heat-engine itself first | 12:35 |
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| pas-ha | then start beraking it out to separate workers | 12:35 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, i think that was the plan | 12:35 |
| ananta | pas-ha: thats the plan | 12:36 |
| ananta | as of now | 12:36 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: yeah, the plan is not even to break it out | 12:36 |
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| asalkeld | the only difference is different thread vs. process | 12:36 |
| ananta | zaneb: lwts first break down into impl specs and then on the migration plan | 12:37 |
| ananta | s/lwts/lets | 12:37 |
| zaneb | I'm thinking that old stacks use the old code and new stacks have a config option, off by default, to create using the new code | 12:37 |
| zaneb | unit tests stick with old code until they migrate to functional tests | 12:37 |
| ryansb | I could see that as an environment thing | 12:38 |
| ananta | good time to introduce versioning for Heat? | 12:38 |
| asalkeld | ananta, what versioning? | 12:38 |
| asalkeld | this is stack versioning | 12:38 |
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| asalkeld | we have versioning everywhere it seems | 12:38 |
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| zaneb | ananta: well, I think the migration plan (maybe that wasn't a good choice of words on my part) very much affects what our list of implementation tasks looks like | 12:39 |
| asalkeld | more like code-landing-plan | 12:39 |
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| zaneb | yes | 12:39 |
| zaneb | exactly | 12:39 |
| zaneb | I'll take a stab at it over the next couple of days | 12:40 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, please lets get cracking with this | 12:40 |
| zaneb | yes, my goal is to get out of the critical path asap ;) | 12:40 |
| ananta | zaneb: ok... I would like to work on the detailed tasks and then update them with our final plans | 12:40 |
| asalkeld | i am concerned we won't get anywhere if we are not careful | 12:40 |
| asalkeld | thanks | 12:41 |
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| asalkeld | if you you guys need help, please let me know | 12:41 |
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| asalkeld | pas-ha, you are working on removing the task runnner? | 12:42 |
| asalkeld | (removing it from resources) | 12:42 |
| pas-ha | yes, for pathces up | 12:42 |
| pas-ha | but the trickier ones are left - volume and server | 12:42 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, i can't remember the exact purpose of that | 12:42 |
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| asalkeld | can you remind me | 12:42 |
| pas-ha | plus I have no idea how to do it with instance group | 12:42 |
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| asalkeld | do we need to remove functions from the cookie? | 12:43 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: it's an enabler for phase 2 of convergence | 12:43 |
| zaneb | so not super urgent | 12:43 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 12:43 |
| zaneb | yeah, we need to only include stuff we can serialise in the cookie | 12:43 |
| pas-ha | so we could probably retarget the bug | 12:43 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha, ^ not wait stuff in the cookie | 12:44 |
| pas-ha | so, simple container/dict-like object will do? | 12:44 |
| zaneb | yep | 12:44 |
| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 12:44 |
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| pas-ha | no methods thoug, ok | 12:44 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, ananta it would be good to find other tasks like that | 12:45 |
| asalkeld | that can be done somewhat independently | 12:45 |
| asalkeld | also if any one has heaps of time on their hands, i have work for you:-) | 12:46 |
| asalkeld | (working on test rework) | 12:46 |
| asalkeld | really fun stuff | 12:47 |
| pas-ha | not sure if mutating that handler_data inside check_*_complete is a good thing | 12:47 |
| ananta | asalkeld: unit tests? | 12:47 |
| asalkeld | ananta, for decouple-nested | 12:47 |
| BillArnold | asalkeld how complete (incomplete) are you find the test coverage to be? | 12:48 |
| asalkeld | we need to remove creation of nested stacks in unit tests | 12:48 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: why not? | 12:48 |
| asalkeld | BillArnold, it's quite good | 12:48 |
| asalkeld | the worst is contrib/ and wsgi | 12:48 |
| pas-ha | ok then, smth like that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147953/3/heat/engine/resources/neutron/loadbalancer.py,cm ? | 12:48 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: feels weird to have unconditional return in a while loop, but yes, something like that | 12:50 |
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| pas-ha | oops, will change that, probably wanted to save a couple of calls :) | 12:51 |
| zaneb | :) | 12:52 |
| asalkeld | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-unit-test-rework | 12:53 |
| asalkeld | i'll work on there | 12:53 |
| asalkeld | what needs to be done | 12:53 |
| asalkeld | if anyone wants to help | 12:53 |
| pas-ha | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-unit-test-rework | 12:53 |
| ananta | asalkeld: let me know how I can get started | 12:54 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:54 |
| ananta | are those the tests that need to be updated? | 12:54 |
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| asalkeld | ananta, yeah - put you name against a test | 12:54 |
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| ananta | asalkeld: ok | 12:55 |
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| dgonzalez | Hi all, i want to get started with heat development. Is there anything a beginner could do to help with the unit tests? | 12:56 |
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| asalkeld | ooo, victim | 12:57 |
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| asalkeld | dgonzalez, i'd suggest run the coverage test | 12:57 |
| asalkeld | and see what is missing and add tests for that code | 12:58 |
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| asalkeld | dgonzalez, i have other work but it's time critical | 12:58 |
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| asalkeld | 2 mins | 12:59 |
| dgonzalez | ok, sounds like a good method to get to know the code base ;-) | 12:59 |
| asalkeld | dgonzalez, "tox -ecover" | 12:59 |
| asalkeld | then point your browser at heat/cover/index.html | 12:59 |
| asalkeld | we are done, thanks | 13:00 |
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| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 13:00:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-01-21-12.00.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-01-21-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
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| kmartin | hello | 16:00 |
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| thingee | Just a reminder on third party ci | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| mtanino | hi | 16:01 |
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| cknight | Hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | I sent an email to indvidual driver maintainers. a long email explaining this | 16:01 |
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| TobiasE | Hi | 16:01 |
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| thingee | the deadline being March 19th | 16:01 |
| thingee | I also emailed the openstack dev mailing list: | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054614.html | 16:02 |
| erlon | hi | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi! | 16:02 |
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| thingee | In addition for those interested, join the Third party ci documentation sprint starting today | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054690.html | 16:02 |
| thingee | ok lets get started! | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #topic Sharing volume snapshots | 16:02 |
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| rushiagr | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/snapshot-sharing | 16:03 |
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| thingee | rushiagr: you're up | 16:03 |
| rushiagr | #link ^ | 16:03 |
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| thingee | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/snapshot-sharing | 16:03 |
| rushiagr | so we left halfway last time.. | 16:03 |
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| rushil | \o | 16:03 |
| rushiagr | the general thinking was between 'umm okay' and 'no'.. | 16:04 |
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| xyang | how is this related to the other blueprint on public snapshot? | 16:04 |
| rushiagr | I dont remember if there was any strong objection on the idea.. If I am wrong, please remind me again.. | 16:04 |
| flip214 | rushiagr: sounds sane to me... I can see the usecase. And it doesn't even suffer from the quota-hardlink problem that UNIX had. | 16:04 |
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| rushiagr | xyang: it's an extension of that | 16:04 |
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| rushiagr | xyang: but to be clear, it's not full ACL | 16:05 |
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| dulek | Wasn't the outcome that public and private snapshots are enough? | 16:05 |
| asselin_ | hi | 16:05 |
| xyang | rushiagr: so is this one dependent on that? | 16:05 |
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| rushiagr | xyang: there was already a blueprint and spec for public snapshot, so I wasn't sure how to write that, but yes, it's going to be dependent on that | 16:06 |
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| avishay | So what is the usecase? We already have shareable images, right? What do shareable snapshots give us? Why not shareable volumes too? | 16:06 |
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| rushiagr | dulek: I don't think we reached the conclusion | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: to recap my preference was "no" on sharing, and "yes" on public snaps | 16:06 |
| rushiagr | avishay: I don't know the exact requirement. But I was told 'they' wanted to share 'UAT disks' between tenants | 16:06 |
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| dulek | rushiagr: Yes, definitely, but public snapshots solve the usecase and are more-or-less accepted. | 16:07 |
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| winston-d_ | rushiagr: what's UAT? | 16:07 |
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| dulek | rushiagr: So I just wanted to remind the idea. | 16:07 |
| avishay | "they"? sounds like a government conspiracy :P | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | dulek: +1 | 16:07 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: okay. I remember you saying sharing snapshots as I proposed is a saner way than ACL. That's all I remembered :) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: yeah, that's the good part ;) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: I thought about use cases and looked at code last week-end; I like public as best option | 16:08 |
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| thingee | Sharable snapshots makes me think there is some framework in place for cinder to be mediator for the snapshot to be shared. making a snapshot public, seems like it's a bit switch and up to the owner to communicate to who they want to tell the uuid to. | 16:08 |
| rushiagr | dulek: 'they' (winks at avishay) might not want to make stuff public | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1, clean and easy IMO | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | and it makes sense in other OpenStack workflows | 16:09 |
| rushiagr | just to be clear about implementation, when a user will share a snap with a tenant, it will just add a db entry. No actuall data will be generated/transferred out of the block storage until that new user creates disk out that shared snap | 16:09 |
| thingee | sure, we just did it with volume types in k-1 | 16:09 |
| dulek | thingee: won't public snapshot be visible on cinder list? Glance shows public resources on the lists. | 16:09 |
| thingee | oh I guess that was project_id | 16:09 |
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| rushiagr | thingee: sorry, I didn't completely understand you.. | 16:10 |
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| thingee | dulek: I think the idea is, and rushiagr can correct me if I'm wrong, is the listing won't show the snapshots. Instead when we skip context check on the snapshot if it's public. | 16:10 |
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| thingee | but it's up to the owner to communicate the uuid to who they want to share it with. | 16:11 |
| thingee | if it's anything other than that you're talking about ACL's | 16:11 |
| rushiagr | thingee: yes, listing won't show public snapshots (or shared snapshots) by default.. | 16:11 |
| dulek | thingee: I don't like how inconsistent it is with other services behaviour | 16:11 |
| xyang | if it is public, any tenant should be able to see it | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: ummmm... that would be part of the feature add | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: dulek not sure the concern? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | owner can set snapshot to "public", modify get to get all tenant and public, done | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | let's try this... | 16:12 |
| rushiagr | I think it's a valid use case if a tenant wants to chare a snapshot. I even think it's cleaner than creating a vol, and then transferring to another tenant.. Best would have been only sharing snapshots, and no vol transfer.. But again, personal opinions | 16:13 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Yup, thats how it should be done IMO | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | anybody have a good reason to NOT use public, but instead use SHARING? | 16:13 |
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| dulek | But thingee and rushiagr are proposing that public won't be shown on lists for other tenants. | 16:13 |
| dulek | Or did I misunderstood something? | 16:13 |
| thingee | dulek: I'm guessing what rushiagr wants. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | dulek: hmmm... i didn't catch that, seems odd | 16:13 |
| xyang | seems that we are mixing the two | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | xyang: :) | 16:14 |
| rushiagr | dulek: I'm just saying that current API won't, but a new API will | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | so look... here's the thing; Every use case is covered if we do public | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | you can transfer a volume to anotehr tenant if you want | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | or you can make a snapshot public | 16:14 |
| winston-d_ | rushiagr: what new API? | 16:14 |
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| rushiagr | 'show all my snaps plus all shared snaps) | 16:14 |
| rushiagr | s/)/'/ | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | I'm still not completely clear on use cases rushiagr is interested in solving | 16:15 |
| dulek | Not every, rushiagr mentioned that "they" may not want to have *public* snaps, just shared | 16:15 |
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| thingee | flip214: what use cases did you see with this? | 16:15 |
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| winston-d_ | rushiagr: does any other openstack project has similar API like this? | 16:15 |
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| avishay | Maybe "they" should share their use case - maybe there is a better way to achieve what they want | 16:15 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: I am trying not to make an artifical example. But it's similar to volume transfer.. | 16:15 |
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| thingee | avishay: +1 | 16:16 |
| thingee | here's what I'm going to propose... | 16:16 |
| winston-d_ | rushiagr: then use volume transfer | 16:16 |
| rushiagr | avishay: they have data in block storage snapshotted.. I'm using too much 'they' I guess. | 16:16 |
| thingee | rushiagr: work with Tiantian on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125045/ | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: :) +1 | 16:16 |
| flip214 | thingee: having a few well-known images that _all_ people can use. RHEL6, RHEL7, Ubuntu, etc. | 16:16 |
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| thingee | seems like the idea of just public is a preferred approach | 16:16 |
| dulek | thingee: +! | 16:16 |
| rushiagr | winston-d_: the problem is it's slighly bad on usability. We seem to be not caring much about the end user.. | 16:17 |
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| thingee | right now we're all confused on what is being proposed here and guessing what you want. and I just spent 15 mins trying to figure it out | 16:17 |
| thingee | also if you look at: | 16:17 |
| winston-d_ | rushiagr: how come? | 16:17 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125045/ | 16:17 |
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| thingee | I asked for use cases :) | 16:17 |
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| rushiagr | thingee: sorry, I was and will be busy for this whole week. | 16:18 |
| rushiagr | I apologise if I don't seem to have a use case.. Totally my fault.. | 16:18 |
| thingee | rushiagr: ok, well you got until feb 15 for feature freeze. and no worries, we just need things better defined to make a decision | 16:18 |
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| thingee | anything else? | 16:19 |
| rushiagr | thingee: okay. Thanks. I'll write a spec.. that would help come to a decision soon.. | 16:19 |
| rushiagr | thingee: nope. We can move to next topic | 16:19 |
| thingee | rushiagr: work with this spec if possible https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125045/ | 16:19 |
| rushiagr | thanks all | 16:19 |
| rushiagr | thingee: definitely | 16:19 |
| thingee | #topic Additional requirements with Third Party CI | 16:20 |
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| thingee | so I've gotten questions from driver maintainers | 16:20 |
| thingee | How long can a ci be down, before we consider the driver inactive? | 16:20 |
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| flip214 | How about 4 weeks from first notice, or 1 week from third one or so? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | A week? Unless they are in contact for specific issues. | 16:21 |
| erlon | does a non reporting CI is considered broken?? | 16:21 |
| thingee | erlon: after the deadline, yes. you're not reporting, you're not continuous integrating with proposed changes. | 16:22 |
| flip214 | I'm thinking about the case that "the" CI maintainer is on vacation for 3 weeks (not that uncommon here in Europe) | 16:22 |
| thingee | defeats the whole purpose | 16:22 |
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| jordanP | yeah, 3 weeks of vacation happens here :) | 16:22 |
| erlon | flip214: +1 | 16:22 |
| * smcginnis moving to Europe | 16:23 | |
| flip214 | (yes, there should be a few people knowing how to fix it, but still...) | 16:23 |
| winston-d_ | flip214, jordanP: i want to get a job there | 16:23 |
| eikke | winston-d_: we're hiring | 16:23 |
| thingee | I ask maintainers to give me an email address that forwards to a few people in the company | 16:23 |
| erlon | even a weekend cannot be enough with 5 days period | 16:23 |
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| hemna | flip214, then someone else in the company should do their best to be a backup | 16:24 |
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| hemna | 3 weeks of no reporting on a driver is terrible IMHO | 16:24 |
| thingee | asselin_: opinions? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | so IMHO there's no sense arguing about "I might go on vacation" | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | first step is get a working system | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | go from there | 16:24 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:24 |
| flip214 | hemna: yes, "should". In practice, especially in the summer time when lots of people are on vacation, I can foresee issues with that. | 16:24 |
| avishay | i don't think there should be a hard rule. if it's down for a week because of equipment failure and you report that you're working on it, i think that's fine. if you disappear for 3 weeks, that's not IMO. | 16:24 |
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| hemna | avishay, +1 | 16:25 |
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| winston-d_ | avishay: +1 | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | personally if you have a system up and running and you go on vacation and it breaks I don't give a crap | 16:25 |
| thingee | Ok, we're agreeing no hard rule, but case by case basis? | 16:25 |
| Swanson | avishay: +1 | 16:25 |
| hemna | flip214, make sure at least someone is a backup. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | fix it when you get back :) | 16:25 |
| xyang | avishay: +1 | 16:25 |
| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: hard rule does need to be on demonstrating something functional and reliable at some point though IMO | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | thingee: +1 | 16:25 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: +1 | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | In other words, "prove you've set it up and done the work" | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | we | 16:26 |
| dulek | jgriffith: +1 | 16:26 |
| thingee | #agreed case by case basis on CIs not reporting will be handled | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | we'll take issues with failures or the system going down as they come up | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | cool :) | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | just wanted to make sure I was on the same page | 16:26 |
| thingee | #topic Target drivers - DRBD transport layer Nova | 16:26 |
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| thingee | flip214: you'll need to better explain this :) | 16:26 |
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| flip214 | right. | 16:27 |
| flip214 | well, I'm trying to get a new block storage transport mechanism working. | 16:27 |
| flip214 | but I keep stumbling.... | 16:27 |
| flip214 | there's parts of brick, target drivers, connector, etc. | 16:27 |
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| flip214 | so I've got the architecural question: should I change *all* these places, or will eg. brick be removed in the next few weeks anyway? | 16:28 |
| hemna | flip214, I'm working on brick | 16:28 |
| hemna | it's going to be a bit | 16:28 |
| hemna | it'll be my job to try and keep it in sync until we switch over. :( | 16:28 |
| hemna | flip214, for now, do the work in cinder/brick/initiator | 16:28 |
| flip214 | hemna: okay. how about connector? target driver? jgriffith is working on that one, I believe. | 16:28 |
| hemna | that you need to do. | 16:28 |
| flip214 | okay. | 16:29 |
| thingee | hemna: do we have an idea of it happening in K? | 16:29 |
| hemna | the target side of brick isn't going into the external lib. just the initiator side | 16:29 |
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| hemna | thingee, I'm going to try and get it in. I'm churning on multi-attach at the same time. | 16:29 |
| thingee | flip214: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/targets/driver.py | 16:29 |
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| flip214 | next question: create_export() doesn't know which host will attach the volume. the volume already has the key "attached_host" but it's None. | 16:29 |
| thingee | you need to define a new target driver in cinder | 16:29 |
| flip214 | thingee: I'm doing that. | 16:30 |
| asselin_ | thingee, sorry multitasking. There's a spec for CI Status that will apply to all 3rd party ci. I think we should define working as part of that. | 16:30 |
| thingee | asselin_: thanks! | 16:30 |
| flip214 | do we want attached_host to have the host that it _will_ be attached to? | 16:30 |
| thingee | asselin_: can you give me the link when you have a chance? | 16:30 |
| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/ | 16:30 |
| flip214 | would make my life much easier, if I would get that information. | 16:31 |
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| flip214 | next point: for DRBD many storage hosts can be connected to one nova node at the same time. (That's the HA part of DRBD). So I'd provider_location much larger... 4kB or even more. | 16:31 |
| flip214 | Is there a chance for that, or is there some hard restriction that says no? | 16:32 |
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| flip214 | Can I pass only a string in provider_location to Nova, or can that be structured data, too? | 16:32 |
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| xyang | the size of provider_location is 255 | 16:32 |
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| thingee | I'm not sure I understand why provider_location matters for multiple nodes attaching | 16:33 |
| flip214 | xyang: now, yes. | 16:33 |
| flip214 | thingee: because the nova node needs to know _all_ storage nodes it should access at the same time. Many hostnames, IP addresses, TCP Ports, etc. | 16:33 |
| flip214 | the 255 characters are too small. | 16:33 |
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| flip214 | If there's _no_ chance to get that enlarged, I'll have to pass the data around in some other way. | 16:34 |
| hemna | can't you pass in a list to a new entry? | 16:34 |
| flip214 | hemna: BTW, my changes are in https://github.com/LINBIT/cinder | 16:34 |
| hemna | provider_locations = [] | 16:34 |
| thingee | flip214: I don't have an answer for you right now. provider_location was for things like iscsi..know the ip portal, lun number, etc | 16:34 |
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| flip214 | hemna: I don't think so, because that all gets serialized to the database, which won't know about arrays, no? | 16:35 |
| xyang | flip214: do you have to save it in provider_location? can initialize_connection return that info to nova? | 16:35 |
| flip214 | thingee: yes, for a single connection is was enough. _multiple_ connections are one reason for using DRBD. | 16:35 |
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| flip214 | xyang: initialize_connection in cinder, or in nova? if in nova, where would it get that information from? | 16:35 |
| xyang | in cinder | 16:36 |
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| thingee | flip214: so it sounds like you'll need to propose a way to support this in cinder. I was just saying I don't have an immediate answer for you | 16:36 |
| flip214 | right. I wanted to bring that up, so that people can think about it and tell me possible solutions ... we can talk about them later on, I hope for next week. | 16:37 |
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| flip214 | if there's some way to relay information from cinder to nova via mq without size or data structure restriction it would be ideal ... I don't know whether such a thing exists. | 16:37 |
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| thingee | flip214: everything is done through cinder-api. | 16:38 |
| flip214 | so, as summary: my questions are pre-fill "attached_host" during create_export? size of "provider_location"? connector, target driver, brick? | 16:38 |
| flip214 | thank you. | 16:38 |
| flip214 | I'm done for today. | 16:39 |
| thingee | heh | 16:39 |
| thingee | sorry we weren't much of help | 16:39 |
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| thingee | #topic TaskFlow workflows | 16:39 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135170/ | 16:39 |
| flip214 | that's okay, I didn't expect (only hope ;) for immediate answers. | 16:39 |
| thingee | dulek: hi | 16:39 |
| dulek | okay, some meetings ago I offered my help on improving reliability of cinder | 16:39 |
| dulek | I wasn't pointed to any community-driven initiative, so tried to find one | 16:39 |
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| dulek | idea is to resume interrupted workflows when starting the services | 16:40 |
| thingee | dulek: great we need help with taskflow, and it's not with persistent | 16:40 |
| thingee | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1408763 | 16:40 |
| dulek | general spec is in the link thingee provided | 16:40 |
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| e0ne | thingee, dulek: me and vilobh are also interested in it | 16:40 |
| dulek | yeah, I'm monitoring this bug | 16:40 |
| dulek | so I'm asking for opinions | 16:41 |
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| thingee | I think jgriffith was looking at that bug for week to get us to work better with taskflow. right now it's not a positive thing imo | 16:41 |
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| thingee | I'll let other talks :) | 16:41 |
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| dulek | this should be certainly solved before persistence, I've mentioned it in API part of the spec | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | dulek: that's not the issue | 16:42 |
| dulek | I can take a look at that as it's a blocker and jgriffith stopped to work on that | 16:42 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yes sorry... | 16:42 |
| dulek | why? | 16:42 |
| thingee | so the real issue is people are finding that working with taskflow hasn't been the easiest. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | dulek: it's not an issue of restarting jobs | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | dulek: the problem is that the taskflow retries are issued from the TF lib | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: our code isn't written to deal with that properly | 16:43 |
| hemna | thingee, that's kinda always been the main issue w/ taskflow | 16:43 |
| hemna | is it's complexity | 16:43 |
| dulek | jgriffith: resumes can also trigger a retry | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | dulek: so for example in the increment GB section.... it raises before the increment | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | dulek: which IMO is going to make things "worse" | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | dulek: with our current code | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | dulek: we don't have clear control lines | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | dulek: so we're doing a number of "unexpected" things on retries | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | dulek: besides.... what's so great about resume functionality anyway :) | 16:44 |
| dulek | resumes solve clean shutdown problems and increase reliability | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | dulek: meh | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | dulek: don't believe the hype | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | dulek: regardless.... | 16:45 |
| e0ne | dulek: it could help | 16:45 |
| dulek | if cinder service dies it will probably be started again by pacemaker and resume it's wokr | 16:45 |
| e0ne | if we'll implement it | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: go for it, happy to see folks improve what we have | 16:45 |
| avishay | can't tell if jgriffith is being sarcastic or not | 16:45 |
| dulek | avishay: :) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | avishay: little of both | 16:45 |
| rushiagr | avishay: +1 | 16:45 |
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| dulek | but jgriffith answered my main concern | 16:46 |
| dulek | should I go in this direction or is this idea not worth it? | 16:46 |
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| e0ne | dulek: we neeed to work both with harlowja_away on it. it is really not a lot of time to be done in K | 16:47 |
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| dulek | I know tpatil's team can help on implementation and now e0ne is interested | 16:47 |
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| dulek | yeah, I'm consulting this with harlowja_away constantly | 16:47 |
| dulek | so any opinions from cores? | 16:48 |
| thingee | by the way, tell violbh to finish what he started with cinder :) | 16:48 |
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| e0ne | dulek: harlowja_away sad that vilobh will contunie work on in in cinder | 16:48 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:49 |
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| e0ne | thingee: i've already tried. hope, he will be available today | 16:49 |
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| dulek | Ok, I hope this means go on. ;) | 16:49 |
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| thingee | dulek: I moved on because you said you got your answer from jgriffith. jgriffith answering for me, I'll take it! | 16:50 |
| e0ne | thingee: is it ok if i'll continue to work on that patch if violbh won't soon? | 16:50 |
| thingee | e0ne: which? this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-state-enforcer | 16:50 |
| e0ne | thingee: yes, this pne | 16:50 |
| e0ne | s/pne/one | 16:50 |
| thingee | e0ne: please | 16:50 |
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| e0ne | thingee: thanks | 16:51 |
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| thingee | just communicate with harlowja_away and violbh | 16:51 |
| thingee | oh, so topics for mid cycle meetup | 16:51 |
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| thingee | add to potential topics https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-kilo-midcycle-meetup | 16:52 |
| thingee | we already have some :) | 16:52 |
| thingee | I think that's it for me | 16:52 |
| thingee | anyone else? | 16:52 |
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| thingee | going | 16:52 |
| flip214 | is next week a meeting? | 16:52 |
| thingee | going | 16:52 |
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| hemna | thingee, do we need to chat about brick | 16:53 |
| thingee | flip214: good question, no. | 16:53 |
| hemna | and the process of cutting over? | 16:53 |
| hemna | I'll add that. (in the hopes that I can get the lib done) | 16:53 |
| e0ne | thingee: will we have hangouts? | 16:53 |
| thingee | e0ne: we did last time. hemna was nice enough to do that. | 16:53 |
| e0ne | cool! | 16:53 |
| rushiagr | what's a good way to target a bug or a bp to a milestone? Can I as a cinder driver group member do that? or is it the responsibility of the PTL? | 16:53 |
| thingee | e0ne: not sure about this time | 16:53 |
| e0ne | hemna: pleeeez | 16:53 |
| thingee | rushiagr: core or me can target it. it'll be targeted regardless after being implemented | 16:54 |
| rushiagr | e.g. for bugs which have a patch which has two +1s and a +2? | 16:54 |
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| rushiagr | thingee: okay. Thanks :) | 16:54 |
| hemna | added Cinder Agent discussion as well. | 16:54 |
| thingee | ok thanks everyone! | 16:55 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 16:55:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-01-21-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| rushiagr | thanks all | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-01-21-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-01-21-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
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| tjones1 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 17:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| tjones1 | hi folks - anyone here for vmwareapi? | 17:00 |
| rgerganov | hi | 17:00 |
| sabari | hi | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | hi rado | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | hi sabari | 17:00 |
| tjones1 | lets get started and maybe others will join | 17:01 |
| tjones1 | #topic unapproved BP | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | rgerganov: did you get any comments on your request for FFE on https://review.openstack.org/127283 | 17:01 |
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| rgerganov | I have requested exception for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127283/ | 17:01 |
| tjones1 | saw that | 17:01 |
| tjones1 | i see it is not -2ed so maybe that is a good thing | 17:02 |
| rgerganov | joe gordon wanted to post implementation for the dependent spec | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | saw you updated it with that | 17:02 |
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| rgerganov | and I did: https://review.openstack.org/148509 | 17:02 |
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| rgerganov | yeah, so I hope we still have chances | 17:02 |
| tjones1 | yeah could be - please keep plugging at it. this will make life much easier for vnc | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | we can talk to the cores tomorrow | 17:03 |
| tjones1 | and by tomorrow - i mean next week | 17:03 |
| rgerganov | sure :) | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | that seems like the only unapproved one that has a shot | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | looks like people lost momentum about multi disk ova support | 17:04 |
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| tjones1 | any other unapproved BP for discussion? | 17:04 |
| rgerganov | sabari: what about the multi-datastore in glance | 17:04 |
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| sabari | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/vmware-store-multiple-datastores | 17:05 |
| sabari | There is one in glance | 17:05 |
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| sabari | thanks rado :) | 17:05 |
| sabari | I posted the spec and first draft last week | 17:05 |
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| sabari | Hopefully, it will make it. | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | sabari: you may want to change the BP status from not started | 17:06 |
| rgerganov | I hope I will find time to review tomorrow | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | not sure if glance folks are like nova but that seems to get peoples attention | 17:06 |
| sabari | rgerganov: Thanks, I appreciate it. | 17:06 |
| sabari | Would be nice to get some feedback. | 17:06 |
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| tjones1 | ok lets move on | 17:07 |
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| tjones1 | #topic kilo priorities | 17:07 |
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| tjones1 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo | 17:07 |
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| faan-pg | Good morning | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | we have ephemeral disk, spbm, vsan, consolidated api, and ova | 17:07 |
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| tjones1 | i don't think we have garyk today? | 17:08 |
| rgerganov | i will ping him on skype | 17:08 |
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| tjones1 | oops spbm is merged | 17:08 |
| faan-pg | Faan from PLUMgrid here and my first time attending :-) | 17:08 |
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| tjones1 | welcome faan-pg | 17:08 |
| tjones1 | rgerganov: how's vsan? | 17:08 |
| faan-pg | Thanks! | 17:08 |
| rgerganov | tjones1: one of the patches get in | 17:08 |
| rgerganov | only one left | 17:08 |
| tjones1 | yeah - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78488/ | 17:09 |
| rgerganov | I will ping danpb to re-approve | 17:09 |
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| rgerganov | it was approved but I had to rebase | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | awesome! | 17:09 |
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| tjones1 | ova? or was that gary? | 17:09 |
| rgerganov | the ova patch has +2 | 17:10 |
| rgerganov | need another one | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | and a -1 from sean. ok just stuff about tests | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | so this one looks ok | 17:10 |
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| rgerganov | yeah ... I had to update tests | 17:10 |
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| tjones1 | how's consolidate api work going? | 17:10 |
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| rgerganov | pretty good | 17:11 |
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| rgerganov | the implementation is completed and ready for review | 17:11 |
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| rgerganov | on the upside I have learned a lot about the REST API | 17:11 |
| tjones1 | do you have a link i can put on our wiki? | 17:11 |
| rgerganov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148509/ | 17:11 |
| tjones1 | lol - good stuff :-) | 17:11 |
| tjones1 | ok any other discsussion on new features before we talk about bugs? | 17:12 |
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| tjones1 | #topic bugs | 17:13 |
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| tjones1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware | 17:13 |
| tjones1 | we've got a ton | 17:13 |
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| garyk | tjones1: rgerganov: sorry i have a conflicting meeting | 17:14 |
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| tjones1 | i wonder if we could start having a bug day in a couple of weeks were we spend time working on bugs and reviewing bugs? our backlog simply is not going down at all. | 17:14 |
| rgerganov | garyk: no worries, you'll buy us a beer | 17:14 |
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| tjones1 | no worries garyk | 17:14 |
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| tjones1 | what do you guys think? | 17:14 |
| tjones1 | or maybe we can discuss next week at the mid-cycle? | 17:15 |
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| rgerganov | tjones1: yeah, we should come up with a plan for the backlog | 17:15 |
| tjones1 | lets talk next week about it when we are face to face | 17:16 |
| rgerganov | cool | 17:16 |
| tjones1 | im all for a short meeting today :-) | 17:16 |
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| tjones1 | garyk how's the ephemeral patch going? | 17:16 |
| garyk | tjones1: stuck in the review queue. hoping it will get some eyes, but it has been months... | 17:16 |
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| tjones1 | wow | 17:16 |
| tjones1 | i see you have rebased | 17:16 |
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| tjones1 | over and over | 17:17 |
| garyk | yup. i am trying to hit 100 rebases | 17:17 |
| tjones1 | ugh | 17:17 |
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| tjones1 | can this group please do a review on this patch - it could use some more +1 before we beg for core reviewers | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121409/ | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | that would relaly help | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | #open discussion | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | anyone have anything to discuss? | 17:18 |
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| tjones1 | looks like we are done to me | 17:19 |
| tjones1 | thanks folks | 17:20 |
| rgerganov | tjones1: thanks | 17:20 |
| tjones1 | #endmeeting | 17:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 17:20:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-01-21-17.00.html | 17:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-01-21-17.00.txt | 17:20 |
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| sarob | whos here for the trainer meeting? | 18:01 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting trainers | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 18:03:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trainers' | 18:03 |
| sarob | whos here | 18:03 |
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| sarob | elo you around? | 18:04 |
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| faan-pg | Hi there, this is Faan from PLUMgrid, good morning! | 18:07 |
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| sarob | good morning | 18:08 |
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| Salman | Good morning | 18:08 |
| sarob | here for the trainer meet? | 18:08 |
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| faan-pg | Yes, hope to learn more about this effort :-) | 18:08 |
| sarob | salman: you here? | 18:08 |
| sarob | looks like we are getting a slow start | 18:09 |
| Salman | Yes this is Salman | 18:09 |
| faan-pg2 | Switched to my desktop client :) | 18:09 |
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| sarob | okay lets start | 18:10 |
| sarob | salman: hows the slides going for tomorrow's training session? | 18:11 |
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| Salman | Still working on them | 18:11 |
| Salman | half way done | 18:11 |
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| sarob | salman: half way is better than no way | 18:12 |
| sarob | ;) | 18:12 |
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| Salman | Half full | 18:13 |
| Salman | :-) | 18:13 |
| sarob | salman: still think you can get two topics into the single session? | 18:13 |
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| sarob | faan-pg2: plumgrid is thinking of getting involved with the community training? | 18:15 |
| Salman | Yes I am thinking and also planning to cover them both | 18:15 |
| faan-pg2 | correct and would like more details on how this process works? | 18:15 |
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| sarob | salman: cool | 18:18 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: training is a regular openstack project | 18:18 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: we meet once a week | 18:18 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides | 18:19 |
| faan-pg2 | thanks | 18:19 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: we have 6 month plans https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides | 18:19 |
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| sarob | faan-pg2: we work on providing training materials for the trainers that volunteer | 18:20 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: at the summits and user groups to train on openstack | 18:20 |
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| sarob | faan-pg2: this meeting is for the trainers to get together | 18:21 |
| sarob | salman: im going to test out the new AV gear today and tomorrow | 18:21 |
| faan-pg2 | our interest is particularly in the neutron knowledge area | 18:22 |
| faan-pg2 | which one of the training guides/sub-projects covers neutron? | 18:22 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: okay, if plumgrid wants to build off the training materials that is out there | 18:22 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: you are welcome to | 18:23 |
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| sarob | faan-pg2: the published material is here http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/ | 18:23 |
| Salman | sarob: great | 18:24 |
| faan-pg2 | sounds like I should join the Monday meeting and ask these questions :) | 18:24 |
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| sarob | faan-pg2: read the structure and see how you can make use | 18:24 |
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| sarob | faan-pg2: plumgrid examples in the install, operator, and training guides would be in your best interest | 18:25 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: at least | 18:25 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: would require developer/writer from plumgrid to get involved in the openstack docs team | 18:26 |
| faan-pg2 | thx sarob, much appreciated! | 18:26 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: to push the patches that include your plumgrid stuff | 18:26 |
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| sarob | salman: anything i can do to help? | 18:26 |
| Salman | sarob: I am good, please try to make sure A/V works better. | 18:27 |
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| sarob | salman: fyi, the training branch is pending, so your slides will be posted | 18:27 |
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| sarob | salman: may not happen until the end of the week though | 18:28 |
| sarob | salman: not in time for this tomorrow's training session | 18:28 |
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| sarob | Salman: i will test it out with hangout | 18:28 |
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| sarob | Salman: we have the final session, that is supposed to be a test | 18:29 |
| sarob | Salman: the training team still doesnt have a test :/ | 18:29 |
| sarob | salman: im thinking we have a osbash build session instead | 18:30 |
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| sarob | Salman: if you rick, and at least two more can help with mentoring | 18:31 |
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| sarob | salman: alternative is to preview the upstream training material | 18:31 |
| sarob | Salman: or cancel | 18:31 |
| sarob | Salman: thoughts? | 18:31 |
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| Salman | I would suggest if we have the review of what is already done and see what is up for preview | 18:34 |
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| sarob | Salman: not sure i understand | 18:35 |
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| sarob | the last session has no material | 18:36 |
| sarob | Salman: since there is no test right now | 18:36 |
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| Salman | sarob: I am saying that are you asking to have the preview session to validate A/V? | 18:37 |
| sarob | Salman: no, sorry | 18:37 |
| sarob | Salman: nothing to do with AV | 18:37 |
| sarob | Salman: i jumped to the next topic already | 18:38 |
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| Salman | sarob: dealing with two meetings at the same time and did not get the questions fully understood | 18:38 |
| sarob | #info salman will be covering compute and network chapters 5-8 with the slides he is working on | 18:38 |
| sarob | Salman: no prob | 18:39 |
| sarob | Salman: i jumped to thinking | 18:39 |
| sarob | Salman: about the last session in 1.5 months | 18:39 |
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| sarob | Salman: it is supposed the cover the final test | 18:39 |
| sarob | Salman: which doesnt exist | 18:40 |
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| Salman | So are there any ideas to create the final test | 18:40 |
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| sarob | #action sarob come up with final test alternative like osbash mentoring session | 18:40 |
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| sarob | Salman: its outstanding task for the testing subteam | 18:41 |
| Salman | ok | 18:41 |
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| Salman | when would that outstanding task be addressed | 18:41 |
| sarob | Salman: matjazp may be able to get it done in time | 18:41 |
| sarob | Salman: but we should consider alternatives as it is not ready now | 18:42 |
| sarob | Salman: he is going through finals with his students right now | 18:42 |
| sarob | Salman: and then a new semester | 18:42 |
| Salman | First we need to know what alternatives we are considering? | 18:42 |
| sarob | Salman: so this is a bad time for him | 18:43 |
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| sarob | lets call this meeting for this time | 18:46 |
| sarob | email or msg me if you need any help | 18:47 |
| faan-pg2 | thx sarob for you help today, much appreciated :) | 18:47 |
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| Salman | ok | 18:47 |
| sarob | faan-pg2: np, im usually on irc or get me on twitter with the same handle | 18:47 |
| sarob | cheers | 18:47 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:48 |
| Salman | cheers | 18:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 18:48:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-01-21-18.03.html | 18:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-01-21-18.03.txt | 18:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trainers/2015/trainers.2015-01-21-18.03.log.html | 18:48 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 19:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| torgomatic | . | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 19:00 |
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| acoles | hi | 19:01 |
| gvernik | hello | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 19:01 |
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| cutforth | buenos dias | 19:01 |
| notmyname | I don't have a lot today. so unless there are other things to bring up, this should take very little time | 19:01 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | and I didn't realize that until this morning (my TZ), so apologies for those up early or late | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | I added a section there for the next release | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | just a few patches, and I'd like to see them land this week | 19:02 |
| notmyname | sooner the better, so we can get the placement improvements out there | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | eg just this morning, someone was struggling with that issue in the IRC channel | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | also, the hackathon reg link is available at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-hack-a-thon-sponsored-by-swiftstack-tickets-15226147818 | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-hack-a-thon-sponsored-by-swiftstack-tickets-15226147818 | 19:03 |
| notmyname | any questions or does anyone have anything else? | 19:04 |
| notmyname | that's all I have to bring up this week | 19:04 |
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| cutforth | nothing from me | 19:05 |
| notmyname | anything else? anyone? | 19:05 |
| mattoliverau | nope looks good. I have hack-a-thon travel all organised so your all going to be stuck with a noisy Australian :P | 19:05 |
| gvernik | is there any particular agenda for the hackathon? | 19:06 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: did i see you are coming twice? :) | 19:06 |
| notmyname | gvernik: the normal agenda has one item: (1) create the agenda | 19:06 |
| * cutforth is bummed that the hackathon overlaps with dad duty/my wife out of the country | 19:06 | |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: nah only once now... I thought two of me might be a little too much Australian :P | 19:06 |
| notmyname | gvernik: we figure it out each day based on what's going on and who's there | 19:07 |
| notmyname | gvernik: but you can expect EC to be a big deal. also probably some encryption stuff and the service tokens | 19:07 |
| mahatic | hack-a-thon happens twice a year in the USA? | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | we've got one big room and two small rooms so we have the ability to break into smaller groups as necessary | 19:08 |
| notmyname | mahatic: so far yes. | 19:08 |
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| mahatic | okay | 19:08 |
| notmyname | gvernik: are you going to make it this time? | 19:09 |
| gvernik | i hope so... | 19:09 |
| notmyname | great | 19:09 |
| notmyname | I was also just talking to some people from IBM yesterday (austin and zurich) about it | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | for everyone, if you are coming, please register asap. space is somewhat limited, and we want to make sure we have enough food, etc for everyone | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | ok. if you have any other questions about the hackathon (or anything else), find me in IRC or email (me@not.mn) | 19:12 |
| notmyname | I'll be out tomorrow. talking about swift in seattle | 19:12 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on swift! | 19:12 |
| jrichli_ | notmyname: I am talking with my manager about getting travel arrangements, will see | 19:12 |
| notmyname | jrichli_: great | 19:12 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:13 |
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| mahatic | nice | 19:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 19:13:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-21-19.00.html | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-21-19.00.txt | 19:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-01-21-19.00.log.html | 19:13 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: thanks! | 19:13 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 21 22:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 22:00 |
| sgordon | hopefully this week i am in the right meeting room ;) | 22:00 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 22:00 |
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| sgordon | #topic roll call | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:00 | |
| cloudon | hi | 22:01 |
| aveiga | hello | 22:01 |
| gmatefi | hi | 22:01 |
| sgordon | who is up and about for the telco working group | 22:01 |
| sgordon | hi all | 22:01 |
| sgordon | #topic action items from last week | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last week (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:02 | |
| sgordon | amitry took an action on monitoring ops mid cycle signups | 22:02 |
| sgordon | but afaik there is no registration page yet | 22:02 |
| sgordon | so still nothing to do there, will carry it over | 22:02 |
| sgordon | #action amitry to cross reference ops mid-cycle signups with telco wg participants to determine crossover | 22:03 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, are you around? | 22:03 |
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| sgordon | i ask in the context of you volunteering yourself to write a multi-site use case | 22:04 |
| sgordon | #action mkoderer to take a stab at documenting use for multi-site | 22:04 |
| sgordon | ok | 22:04 |
| sgordon | #topic use cases | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "use cases (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:04 | |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases | 22:04 |
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| sgordon | so last week we endeavored to dive into the vIMS use case | 22:04 |
| sgordon | on top of getting a bit off track at times it proved pretty difficult to collate feedback effectively live | 22:04 |
| sgordon | so during the week i created etherpads with the idea that we might try and record feedback inline during the week, and then discuss | 22:05 |
| ijw | o/ | 22:05 |
| sgordon | another suggestion was to go to gerrit for reviewing the use cases but i am really hesitant to do this due to the potential impact on non-developer input | 22:06 |
| aveiga | sgordon: also, there's no specific repo for that | 22:06 |
| sgordon | right, we would need a repo | 22:06 |
| sgordon | (fun) | 22:06 |
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| sgordon | so i guess my thinking is, do we want to pick a use case and 'try again' | 22:08 |
| sgordon | during the week | 22:08 |
| sgordon | we could do vIMS again or attempt a different one | 22:08 |
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| sgordon | the idea being to use the etherpad to record the feedback instead of having it all unfold in the meeting :) | 22:08 |
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| ijw | o/ | 22:10 |
| sgordon | silence is violence | 22:10 |
| sgordon | im going to suggest we take two and will take an action to email the list | 22:10 |
| cloudon | am happy to give it a try this week with vIMS again | 22:11 |
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| sgordon | my suggestion is we try a do over on vIMS and pick up VPN instantiation as well to try | 22:11 |
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| cloudon | sounds good to me | 22:11 |
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| sgordon | ok | 22:12 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to email list suggesting review of vIMS and VPN instantiation use cases via etherpad | 22:12 |
| sgordon | so the fun stuff | 22:13 |
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| sgordon | #topic Design and Implementation | 22:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design and Implementation (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 22:13 | |
| sgordon | so first things first, is anyone in attendance currently seeking a feature freeze exception | 22:13 |
| sgordon | the work we had been regularly tracking had to the best of my knowledge already been approved, but looking for any outliers | 22:14 |
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| sgordon | ijw, do you have any updates from your side on current spec implementation work | 22:15 |
| sgordon | there was one query on the list just before the meeting about virtio multi-queue | 22:15 |
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| sgordon | that spec is not approved but an FFE has been requested i need to check how likely that is to get picked up tho | 22:15 |
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| ijw | Got someone assigned to it recently, and I've not checked his progress so I can't give you a % complete or anything. I also had a willing volunteer mail me about the MTU work so it may be possible to break things up there | 22:16 |
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| ijw | Seems late for a FFE to be approved. | 22:16 |
| sgordon | yeah im not holding my breath | 22:16 |
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| sgordon | i think the deadline for nova is tomorrow | 22:16 |
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| sgordon | so will be sorted out one way or another in the meeting i expect | 22:16 |
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| sgordon | (nova meeting that is) | 22:17 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/input-output-based-numa-scheduling,n,z | 22:17 |
| sgordon | there is still an outstanding patch associated with PCIe locality but looks like it fails verification atm | 22:18 |
| sgordon | i dont have anything else to add on this topic atm | 22:18 |
| sgordon | #topic other business | 22:18 |
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| sgordon | as i mentioned in the opening no registration for the ops mid cycle yet that i have seen | 22:19 |
| sgordon | anyone have another topic they would like to raise this week? | 22:19 |
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| sgordon | well then | 22:21 |
| sgordon | on that note | 22:21 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 22:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:22 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 21 22:22:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-21-22.00.html | 22:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-21-22.00.txt | 22:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-01-21-22.00.log.html | 22:22 |
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