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gilliardnova?13:59
flip214+113:59
johnthetubaguyindeed13:59
johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 22 14:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
johnthetubaguyhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting14:00
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johnthetubaguylets do something similar14:00
bauzas\o14:00
n0anoo/14:00
johnthetubaguy#topic Kilo Specs14:00
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PaulMurrayhi14:00
gilliardhi14:00
johnthetubaguyso, sepcs14:01
gibio/14:01
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alexpilottihello!14:01
johnthetubaguylots of exception requests, not actually got through them all myself14:01
gilliardabhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcook ekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 raildo jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha14:01
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flip214gilliard: I think the wakeup-call would be better in #openstack-nova, in case some people are not always joined to -meeting.14:02
johnthetubaguygilliard: I did that in openstack-nova, thats the norm I think14:02
gilliardOK14:02
johnthetubaguyso any questions on specs process at this point?>14:02
gilliardmissed that, sorry14:02
bauzasand then, someone invented calendars14:02
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johnthetubaguy#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054039.html14:02
johnthetubaguywe have deadlines coming up frast14:02
johnthetubaguyfast14:02
bauzasare we planning a Spec review day ?14:02
garykhi14:03
bauzasmikal said he was considering it last time14:03
bauzasbut we're only 2 days lefy14:03
johnthetubaguybauzas: nope, that time has passed, I was hoping for a code review day on friday, but no sure anyone has stepped up at this point14:03
bauzasyeah14:03
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johnthetubaguyso 1/22 (today) is Feature Proposal Freeze day, we said14:04
bauzasoh right14:04
johnthetubaguyfor all non priority code14:04
johnthetubaguy#info FeatureProposalFreeze day today14:04
garykjohnthetubaguy: is that specs or code?14:04
johnthetubaguygaryk: code14:04
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flip214johnthetubaguy: is a spec, exception mail, and code up for review enough, or is there some other part of the process that needs to be followed?14:04
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: it's also the Spec Freeze Exception deadline nope ?14:04
johnthetubaguyFeature freeze is 5th Feb14:05
johnthetubaguybauzas: in theory we said 5th Feb, I think, which was a bit dumb14:05
bauzasflip214: FPF means that you can only iterate on your existing patches14:05
johnthetubaguyflip214: for now, yes, I think so14:05
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garykjohnthetubaguy: why dumb. the fact that there is a meetup and everyone is in the same room could help14:05
johnthetubaguybauzas: right, its a grey area with a spec exception pending, and code already up14:05
johnthetubaguygaryk: fair point14:06
johnthetubaguyI mean we should have picked today really14:06
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johnthetubaguybut yeah, I wanted to have a chance to debate / fight at the mid cycle14:06
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bauzasgaryk: not all people will be present, so it's like 2nd grade citizenship for people who can't attend and expect approvals14:06
johnthetubaguybauzas: well not totally, but I get your point14:07
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: agreed, wording was harsh14:07
johnthetubaguybauzas: its fair really, but hopefully its fairly even handed14:07
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: but you got my idea, if we allow the possibility to push up some reviews during midcycle, we need to also do that for remotees14:07
johnthetubaguybauzas: totally agreed14:08
johnthetubaguythere are exceptions for anything remote or not14:08
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: +114:08
johnthetubaguypriority stuff can continue as normal14:08
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: hence the mail thing14:08
johnthetubaguyright14:08
johnthetubaguyanyways, we are going to a rat hole, all be it an important one14:08
johnthetubaguyzooming back up...14:09
garykbauzas: it is not a matter of second class.14:09
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johnthetubaguythe goal here is to get more priority code merged, and be fair to everyone else14:09
garykthe fact is there may be a number of cores present in one place and if one can reach out to them then it would be easier14:09
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johnthetubaguyby fair, when there is little chance of getting merged, we don't pretend it will still get into kilo14:09
garyki am sure yhat you can get a proxy to help you if it is importnat14:09
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johnthetubaguygaryk: thats fair14:09
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johnthetubaguydo email me if you want me to fight for something14:10
johnthetubaguybut better14:10
dims__o/14:10
johnthetubaguyadd your arguments in the spec review14:10
johnthetubaguyso, any more questions on process?14:10
johnthetubaguydims__: you got one?14:10
edleafeI think the point is we have to be aware not to ignore those not present at the meetup14:10
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johnthetubaguyedleafe: agreed14:10
dims__johnthetubaguy: am good14:10
bauzasfinding the etherpad with all the asked exceptions14:10
johnthetubaguylets move on14:11
johnthetubaguy#topic Priorities14:11
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johnthetubaguy#info priorities following general kilo featurefreeze dates14:11
garykbauzas: feel free to ping me too and i can try and get some poeople to look14:11
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johnthetubaguyhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities14:12
johnthetubaguyanyone got things to talk about?14:12
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johnthetubaguyanteaya: you want to cover nova-network migration stuff?14:12
bauzasgaryk: thanks but I'll be in, I was just speaking for others' voices14:13
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dims__johnthetubaguy: ext4 ephemeral disk has been pending for a while - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1266262,n,z14:13
gilliard#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking14:13
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gilliardThat has a few links to reviews linked to the priorities14:13
gilliardanteya added some links to specs14:13
bauzasI need to update this etherpad14:13
johnthetubaguyright, posted that above, but yes, please update the etherpad14:14
johnthetubaguyif there is nothing to actively discuss lets move on14:14
bauzasand I have a stuck review for a priority BP, but let's discuss it later14:14
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johnthetubaguy#topic Gate status14:14
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johnthetubaguyI don't see any folks around for that14:14
garykjohnthetubaguy: back to priorities - we have features that were in review in juno and are still in review for kilo….14:15
bauzasFYI, I proposed a change for adding cells v1 testing in check pipeline14:15
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johnthetubaguyseems like we need this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/141062214:15
johnthetubaguygaryk: right, but they are not a priority14:15
garykjohnthetubaguy: is there a list of the priority features?14:16
johnthetubaguywell thats unfair, they could be14:16
johnthetubaguyyes14:16
johnthetubaguygaryk: its merged in the specs repo, as agreed at the summit14:16
dims__johnthetubaguy: the last matt and i debugged was that the signatures on the wire is different from what keystone expects (boto)14:16
johnthetubaguywell agreed technicaly in the nova-spec review that merged with the details that conainted the summit discussion14:16
garykjohnthetubaguy: ack14:16
bauzasdims__: the categorization rate is low, do you need help ?14:16
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dims__bauzas: yes14:17
johnthetubaguydims__: I think miridem was requesting help, if you could reach out to him, thats probably best14:17
bauzasdims__: ack, will see what I can do14:17
dims__johnthetubaguy: need someone with keystone-y skills14:17
dims__thanks bauzas14:17
johnthetubaguydims__: gotcha14:17
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bauzasdims__: any idea why the rate is so low ? (<50%)14:18
johnthetubaguywe should have someone drop in their meeting I guess14:18
bauzasmriedem seems to be not present today14:18
dims__bauzas: we've capped the boto version14:18
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dims__bauzas: till this gets fixed14:18
bauzasdims__: but the logstash query is not categorized yet ?14:18
johnthetubaguyright, fix the bleeding, sort the problem when we can14:18
johnthetubaguylets move on14:19
bauzasdims__: I can understand that there is a boto problem related to keystone mw auth, but that shouldn't impact the rate, right ?14:19
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johnthetubaguy#topic Mid Cycle meetup14:19
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: ack14:19
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johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-midcycle14:19
dims__bauzas: let;s switch to nova channel14:19
bauzasdims__: agreed14:19
johnthetubaguyso mostly, we will discuss priorties, and keep them moving forward14:19
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johnthetubaguybauzas: dims__: thank you for digging, appreciated14:20
johnthetubaguyany one got questions on the mid cycle14:20
johnthetubaguymikal send an email via eventbright with directions, etc14:20
bauzaseventbrite :)14:20
johnthetubaguylol, yeah, that14:20
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johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:20
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johnthetubaguyso dims__ you mentioned ext4, thats still an issue I guess?14:21
johnthetubaguydid we agree its not a feature?14:21
dims__treated as performance defect originally14:21
dims__there was an email to operators mailing list as was requested here last time14:21
dims__only feedback was, there should be a switch to not format the disk at all14:22
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johnthetubaguyah, OK14:22
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dims__http://markmail.org/message/mmxa5kot7v6c27oy14:22
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johnthetubaguyhmm, its sucks, but I think a spec would help get agreement on this14:23
dims__johnthetubaguy: last meeting i did create a blueprint as mentioned14:23
johnthetubaguybut, honestly, this feels like something that should be user visible in the flavor14:23
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johnthetubaguydims__: ah, sorry, I missed that14:23
dims__johnthetubaguy: agreement was to log a blueprint and not do a full spec14:24
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johnthetubaguyI am OK with that14:24
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johnthetubaguyits just the spec would help pin down agreement I guess14:24
dims__thanks, i will rebase and get the 2 reviews ready for cores14:24
johnthetubaguyyou got a link to the blueprint for the log?14:24
bauzaspossible midcycle topic ?14:24
dims__one sec14:24
dims__#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ext4-as-ephemeral-disk14:25
johnthetubaguybauzas: yeah, its worth adding I guess, to move it along14:25
johnthetubaguydims__: sweet, thanks for the link14:25
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bauzassounds like something manageable to discuss during midcycle and do feedback to operators afterwards14:25
johnthetubaguy#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141883/14:25
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yup ?14:26
johnthetubaguybauzas: yeah its a issue of changing the "ABI" in a way14:26
sean-k-mooneyhi i added this to the agenda to ask for some core review.14:26
johnthetubaguyah cools14:26
johnthetubaguyit needs some review14:26
bauzassean-k-mooney: ah ok14:26
johnthetubaguywhich is a good segway...14:26
johnthetubaguy#topic Stuck Reviews14:26
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bauzaseh14:26
bauzasI got one14:27
bauzashttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/146913/414:27
johnthetubaguyOK, anyone got stuff they want to discuss, things with −2 or −1 thats an issue, etc?14:27
bauzasthat's technically a stuck change14:27
johnthetubaguylooking14:27
johnthetubaguywhats the dissagreement14:27
bauzaslong story short, we need to create a NovaObject for the image meta14:27
bauzasproperties field is the problem14:28
bauzasI'm in favor of unversion it14:28
bauzasbecause it's a mess atm14:28
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bauzasbut the disagreement comes from the fact I've been pointed out to use another patch which versions it14:28
bauzasthoughts ?14:28
bauzasfix the mess ans wait, or unversion and go forward ?14:29
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johnthetubaguycan we add the extra change after your work?14:29
bauzastbp, I don't need an answer *now*14:29
johnthetubaguyso yours puts the unversion, then add the version stuff on top?14:29
bauzasI'm pointing the review to get feedback in the change itself14:29
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: that's just bumping a version14:30
johnthetubaguyright14:30
johnthetubaguyI need to read more to be clear I guess14:30
bauzaswe can move on, I shed the light on my pathc :)14:30
johnthetubaguygood to raise it, yeah14:30
johnthetubaguyany more stuck reviews?14:30
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johnthetubaguyoh wait, we have some links from last week14:31
sean-k-mooneyits not technically stuch but if you have time to reveiw #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14188314:31
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Nishajohnthetubaguy, need reviews on https://review.openstack.org/13353414:31
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/141010/14:31
Nishajohnthetubaguy, yes14:31
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johnthetubaguybauzas: I think you have good comments on there14:32
Nisha^^^ above reviews are required fr ironic14:32
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yeah, the patch you mentioned is very similar to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14188314:32
dims__johnthetubaguy: Minesweeper has blessed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142118/ (CRITICAL bug)14:32
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: I personnaly dislike any string hackling like we previously did14:32
bauzashacking*14:33
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Nishajohnthetubaguy, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141010/ is required for ironic14:33
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bauzaswe need to be more robust14:33
johnthetubaguybauzas: got it, you don't want to add more mess using the old method14:33
Nishabauzas, its not hacking in nova14:33
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bauzasNisha: it's hacking a string, correct14:33
johnthetubaguyNisha: problem is we are rewriting that bit of code14:33
Nishabauzas, no14:33
johnthetubaguyright now its not very well versioned, and we are making lots of things more explicit14:34
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Nishabauzas, https://review.openstack.org/133534 the related spec for same14:34
johnthetubaguypassing objects not strings, etc14:34
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johnthetubaguyright, we probably need to discuss the issues on the spec14:34
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johnthetubaguyNisha: did you request a spec freeze exception?14:34
Nishajohnthetubaguy, yes...after discussion with Alexis Lee on the spec he was fine and14:35
bauzasNisha: see my comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14188314:35
Nishajohnthetubaguy, yes i do sent a mail to mailing list14:35
bauzasNisha: we support a string as of now, we'll still support a string14:35
johnthetubaguyNisha: I couldn't remember if I saw it thats, cool, so we need to view the spec and agree what we can do14:35
bauzasNisha: but the difference is that the format of the string needs to be safier14:35
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: agreed14:35
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johnthetubaguyNisha: honestly, given our kilo priorities, we might want to defer to L so we can get the code we need in place, but I need to give it more thought14:36
Nishabauzas, i think the misunderstanding from the spec /code is that nova filter will support list14:36
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johnthetubaguyhmm, thats a point14:36
johnthetubaguyanyways, lets look at that offline more14:36
bauzasNisha: let me provide further explanations in the spec14:36
Nishawhile the list (a string seperated with delimiters aprt from comma) is in ironic14:36
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Disscussion14:36
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johnthetubaguyso any more to discuss?14:37
flip214yeah.14:37
flip214does anyone know of a diagram about data flow within openstack?14:37
Nishajohnthetubaguy, when can i catch you guys14:37
Nishawhat time means14:37
flip214which function gets called in which order, and what data gets passed from one to the other?14:37
johnthetubaguyflip214: the docs have a nice diagram from ken pepple, did you see it?14:37
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johnthetubaguyflip214: its not that explicit, you need to read the code for the functions14:37
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: is it still relevant ?14:38
flip214no, not yet. I just noticed that many docs are outdated.14:38
baolijohnthetubaguy: where is the list of spec freeze exceptions?14:38
johnthetubaguyupdates welcome, which isn't a great answer, but the overall stuff is quite accurage14:38
Nishajohnthetubaguy, need review on https://review.openstack.org/14101214:38
bauzasI saw some diagrams when googling but they're now pretty old and don't explain the conductor nor the objects14:38
johnthetubaguybaoli: I am using my email inbox right now, there is an etherpad somewhere14:38
johnthetubaguy#help update our docs to include more conductor and objects info14:39
bauzasflip214: honestly, take a starting point, like the API endpoint for booting, and follow the golden path14:39
gilliardyou  can raise bugs for docs, too14:39
flip214bauzas: that's not easy, because of the many indirections.14:39
johnthetubaguyflip214: what bauzas said, just understand, API, DB, queue, compute, conductor, scheduler, and thats the key14:39
Nishajohnthetubaguy, bauzas , needed review on https://review.openstack.org/141012 . The spec for same is merged and code is placed for review long back but no reviews yet....14:39
johnthetubaguyflip214: we should take this into the nova channel after the meeting14:39
baolijohnthetubaguy: I see. I guess that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136077/ is there?14:40
bauzasgilliard: fair point14:40
johnthetubaguyNisha: please update your blueprint to say it NeedsCodeReview, if you have all your code up for review14:40
johnthetubaguywe should really look at that in the code push14:40
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Nishajohnthetubaguy, ok. thanks14:41
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johnthetubaguyany more for any more?14:42
Nishajohnthetubaguy, done14:42
Nishajohnthetubaguy, i will like to take up the flavor spec in the channel after this meeting...14:43
Nishaif that helps to clear the things14:43
johnthetubaguyOK, sounds good14:43
johnthetubaguythanks all14:43
johnthetubaguysafe journey to the mid cylce if you are heading there14:43
johnthetubaguy#endmeeting14:43
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gilliardthanks johnthetubaguy14:43
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anteayamissed it, sorry14:44
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eglynn-office#startmeeting ceilometer15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 22 15:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglynn-office. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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eglynn-officehi y'all15:03
eglynn-office#topic kilo-215:03
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eglynn-office#link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-215:03
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idegtiarovo?15:03
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eglynn-officedoes the status of all those BPs look accurate?15:04
eglynn-officeI bumped the instance-restart, as I don't Einav is working actively on it15:04
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eglynn-officedon't think15:05
gordci'll probably need to push elasticsearch support to k-3 (i haven't tried looking at how to test in gate yet)15:05
eglynn-officegordc: cool enough15:05
eglynn-officegordc: what does a local install of elasticsearch look like?15:06
eglynn-office(in terms of complexity)15:06
gordceglynn-office: it isn't that bad. basically the code i posted back in november.15:06
eglynn-officeh-ha, k ... just wondering about potential push-back from infra about installing on CI nodes15:07
eglynn-office*a-ha15:07
gordcthe queries we have in our api aren't that complex so building the queries weren't hard.15:07
silehto/15:07
gordci think the complaint is that actually running elasticsearch eats RAM like crazy.15:07
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gordcit was fine for just doing testing locally on my thinkpad though.15:07
eglynn-officeis it tunable I wonder, to dial down cache sizes etc.15:08
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gordceglynn-office: possibly... i believe there is a memory based backend which is typically used for testing15:08
ityaptino/15:08
* gordc haven't really looked at it recently... just been glancing at it during downtime15:09
eglynn-officegordc: cool enough, all that'll prolly come out in wash anyway in the discussion with infra about installing for CI15:09
gordceglynn-office: yeah... i'll need to talk with clarkb later once i've dug into it.15:10
eglynn-officecoolness15:10
eglynn-officeany got anything else to flag for kilo-2?15:10
eglynn-officefeb 5 is the magic date ... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule15:11
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silehteglynn-office, I have that  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149063/15:11
silehteglynn-office, it's fresh it's allow to write gnocchi alarm stuff on gnocchi side15:12
jd__o/15:12
eglynn-officesileht: a-ha cool, looks very reasonable on a first quick scan15:12
eglynn-officesileht: ... I'll review in more detail after meeting, but looks like we can get it in quickly15:13
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silehteglynn-office, sure15:14
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eglynn-officefabiog: quick dumb question about the RBAC stuff landed in kilo-115:16
eglynn-officefabiog: ... in the absence of a matching rule in the policy.json, default is to allow amiright?15:16
fabiogeglynn-office: no, still apply the rule of admin or not15:17
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fabiogeglynn-office: so if there is no rule and you are admin, you have total control, otherwise you are bound to the project15:17
eglynn-officefabiog: for non-admin ... in the absence of match rule for API operation, then apply segregation rule as always, but allow the API operation to proceed?15:18
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eglynn-office*matching rule15:18
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fabiogeglynn-office: yes15:19
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eglynn-officecoolness, just as I thought, needed a sanity check :)15:19
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fabiogeglynn-office: unless it has a @admin-required15:19
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eglynn-officeyeap15:19
eglynn-officek, let's move on from kilo-2?15:20
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eglynn-office#topic gnocchi15:20
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eglynn-officejust a heads-up that jd__ and I were discussing options around where to move the gnocchi code15:21
eglynn-office(we touched on this in last week's meeting also)15:21
eglynn-officejd__: so the idea is to propose gnocchi for big-tenting under the openstack/ namespace, right?15:23
jd__yup eglynn-office15:23
jd__if the rest of the Ceilometer folks are interested obviously15:24
jd__but since it sounds like we are going to leverage Gnocchi heavily in the future I guess it'd be a good idea to bring them closer15:24
cdentI think more repos is better than less repos15:24
DinaBelovajd__, well, we are :)15:24
silehtI'm ;)15:24
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eglynn-officethe advantage of doing that as opposed moving directly into the ceilo repo would be to avoid continueing to add directly to the existing monolith15:25
idegtiarovI'm too :)15:25
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ildikoveglynn-office: sounds good to me :)15:25
eglynn-officealso advantageous in terms of supporting the "standalone gnocchi" usecase15:25
gordcthe same way we hand oslo.* libs? still under Ceilometer/telemetry umbrella?15:26
eglynn-officei.e. as a general purpose metrics store15:26
jd__gordc: yes15:26
gordcjd__: cool cool. works for me15:26
jd__a lot of projects have more than one repository FWIW already15:26
eglynn-officegordc: ... still with a separate (but expanded) gnocchi-core group15:27
ityaptinjd__, gordc: Agree, it looks cool for me too)15:27
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jd__eglynn-office: gordc: yeah matching Oslo practice15:28
eglynn-officeone further advantage would be gnocchi independently attracting contributors15:28
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eglynn-office... i.e. folks interested in metrics storage on its own merits15:28
eglynn-officeindependent of the data collection pipeline15:29
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fabiogeglynn-office: so in the long term gnocchi will replace Ceilometer? I thought there would have been some sort of "merging" ...15:29
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DinaBelovafabiog, not 'replace'15:29
DinaBelovaceilometer will use gnocchi15:29
eglynn-officefabiog: gnocchi will be used by ceilo, not replace15:29
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DinaBelovathat's basically kind of API to write/query datapoints15:30
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fabiogeglynn-office: but now you have part of the API in 1 service and part in a second one ... do you need to deploy two API servers?15:30
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eglynn-officefabiog: or treat gnocchi as a "backend service"15:31
fabiogeglynn-office: ok, that makes sense15:31
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fabiogeglynn-office: so Ceilometer API v3 would be the place where other Openstack services interact and Gnocchi is internal to Ceilometer, did I get it right?15:32
fabiogeglynn-office: Gnocchi API I mean15:33
jd__if someone wants to build a Ceilometer API v3 on top of Gnocchi probably15:33
jd__I'm not sure it makes more sense right now15:33
jd__we have 3 different APIs for 3 different purposes that are not tied together (events/samples/alarms)15:33
fabiogjd__: but if it is backend service you are not going to expose its API to generic clients ...15:33
eglynn-officefabiog: the ceilometer v3 API could be partailly layered over the gnocchi API (specifically an equivalent of the statistics API implemented as a pass-thru' to gnocci)15:34
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jd__eglynn-office: yeah what's not clear is the value the Ceilo APIv3 would add over Gnocchi's API yet :)15:34
eglynn-officejd__: yeap ... say if instead gnocchi API is called direct, the python-ceiloclient would need to be aware of two endpoints from the ks service catalog, amiright?15:35
fabiogeglynn-office: maybe we should have a deeper discussion on how to integrate/leverage the two projects. It was one of the mid-cycle topics15:35
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eglynn-office... i.e. gnocchi would expose it's own publicURL endpoint in the service catalog15:36
jd__eglynn-office: yes, though likely that'd be gnocchi client I guess15:36
gordcjd__: is there a place where we can see response gnocchi will return (to compare how different it is from current ceilometer api v2 responses?)15:36
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jd__eglynn-office: I wouldn't be offended by seeing 3 endpoints in the long term15:36
jd__gordc: the documentation is pretty good in this regard15:36
eglynn-officegordc: http://gnocchi.readthedocs.org/en/latest/rest.html15:36
jd__gordc: tox -e docs and open it15:37
jd__eglynn-office: yeah that one is not up to date anymore since we started building dynamic doc :(15:37
gordccool cool. i was too lazy to look. :)15:37
silehtgordc, http://gnocchi.readthedocs.org/en/latest/rest.html15:37
jd__I wish we could build the doc on OS CI but I don't think we can until we are off stackforge15:37
jd__gordc: so yeah better doc is tox -e docs15:37
DinaBelovajd__, btw am I right that right now when we query gnocchi we grab list of datapoints basically, although some of Ceilo requests may return one concrete value?15:37
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silehtjd__, does gnocchi.readthedocs.org is updated manually ?15:38
DinaBelovalike avg for all period of time VM is working?15:38
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jd__sileht: no it's automatic but you need a complete env (SQL) to build the doc now so RTFD fails15:38
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silehtjd__, oh ok15:38
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: there is no direct analogue of that on-the-fly aggregation in gnocchi15:38
jd__DinaBelova: hum I think so yes, you'd have to do it yourself15:39
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, jd__ - a-ha, ok, I'll take a look on it15:39
DinaBelovawill add to todos :D15:39
jd__DinaBelova: because I think it'd only work with some aggregation methods (like min/max/mean) but not all15:39
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jd__I think we have a much better understanding of statistics in Gnocchi :->15:39
jd__thanks to eglynn-office15:39
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: so if the v3 API is based on gnocchi, then on-demand periodization is replaced by up-front declaration of the needed granularities via the archive policy15:40
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, yeah, thanks15:40
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DinaBelovaalso I hope to make this chain https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148271/ working today15:41
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DinaBelovawill send changes on review :)15:41
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eglynn-officeso the other thing I wanted to mention about gnocchi is that we've a bunch of integration tasks that we need to ensure are covered15:42
eglynn-officee.g. alarm evaluation (that sileht has starting working on :))15:42
silehteglynn-office, I have a working PoC to help me to design the Alarm Rule description15:43
eglynn-officefiguring out the v3 API within the restrictions of the gnocchi pre-aggregation15:43
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jd__✔︎ alarm evaluation15:44
jd__eglynn-office: not sure what that's mean but OK :D15:44
eglynn-officesileht: yep, I saw https://review.openstack.org/149182 , nice! (... I left a quick suggestion on gerrit)15:44
eglynn-officealso figuring out the CLI side (i.e. extend python-ceiloclient or write a separate python-gnocchiclient)15:45
ityaptinAlso I want to tests gnocchi dispatcher via ceilometer test tools for different storages.  if someone interesting, i create etherpad with test plan. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gnocchi_dispatcher_test_plan15:45
eglynn-officealso ensuring full resource type coverage15:45
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DinaBelovaidegtiarov, were you going to send volumes resources change on review today?15:46
DinaBelovadue to the moment eglynn-office mentioned?15:46
idegtiarovDinaBelova: already done15:46
DinaBelovaidegtiarov, may you please cover all this task?15:47
DinaBelovaI mean adding all these resources/meters to gnocchi15:47
idegtiarovDinaBelova: yep, will do15:47
eglynn-officeI'll put together a list of these integration tasks for next week, will be looking for volunteers to get them all squared away for kilo-315:47
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, cool, really nice thing15:47
jd__I'm eager to see that15:48
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_nadya_we will add alarm evaluation to gnocchi? It seems to be ceilometer responsibility... Ok then, looks like conversation about Gnocchi may continue forever :)15:48
jd___nadya_: read the backlog :)15:48
eglynn-office_nadya_: silehthas proposed an alarm eval PoC to gnocchi, but this could optionally replace "classic" ceilo alarm eval15:49
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idegtiarovDinaBelova: actually I would like to propose some refactoring according to resource adding in gnocchi, hope will propose WIP patch early next week15:49
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DinaBelovaidegtiarov, stevedore thing?15:49
idegtiarovDinaBelova:  yes it is :)15:50
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DinaBelovacool-cool15:50
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silehteglynn-office, both can be used together !15:50
_nadya_eglynn-office: yep, I see. Just thought that fabiog's question about replacing may appear again :)15:50
eglynn-officesileht: not an mutually exclusive proposition?15:51
eglynn-officesileht: ... I thought you'd choose to load the classic threhsold evaluator, or the gnocchi-based one, but never both in the same deployment?15:52
fabiogeglynn-office and _nadya_ I would like to see a longer term picture of how these two components will co-exist in the future, does someone have such a picture?15:52
silehteglynn-office, I'm thinking about combining ceilometer and gnocchi alarm with the CombinationAlarmRule15:52
fabiogand if that has not been defined yet, I think it would be a good think to work on15:52
fabiogthing15:53
eglynn-officefabiog: yes, it's a work-in-progress15:53
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silehteglynn-office, this allows to smoothly migrate to gnocchi15:53
fabiogeglynn-office: is there a wiki or some docs about it?15:53
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fabiogeglynn-office: please :-)15:53
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_nadya_fabiog: I'm absolutely agree with you. I think that we need more time for it ...15:54
eglynn-officefabiog: jd__ had a wiki but it's not up-to-date ... let's add that as a task15:54
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fabiogeglynn-office: I have a doodle for the Batching suggestion15:55
fabiogeglynn-office: I added to the agenda topic15:55
eglynn-officefabiog: yep, let's move on that in open discussion15:55
eglynn-office#topic open discussion15:55
jd__eglynn-office: if we write something it'd be cool to have that in one of the ceilo or gnocchi doc, not a wiki, so it's actually "useful"15:55
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eglynn-officejd__: fair point15:56
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eglynn-officejd__: ... a spec perhaps?15:56
eglynn-officejd__: (... so as to make it a discussion)15:56
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eglynn-officefabiog: do you want to mention your doodle now?15:56
jd__eglynn-office: at least15:56
fabiogeglynn-office:yes http://doodle.com/cwv5nmv3hxadvreu15:57
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eglynn-officefolks pls vote on that ^^^15:57
eglynn-officefabiog: what's the native TZ for the poll?15:57
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fabiogso please people subscribe for the slot, I will then set-up a Google Hangout and I will present the idea, if that has traction I will prepare a BP15:57
eglynn-officePST?15:57
fabiogit is PDT15:58
fabiogPST15:58
fabiogPacific Standard Time15:58
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fabiogso the first slot is the same time as the Ceilo meeting15:58
eglynn-officeUTC-8:0015:58
fabiogyes15:58
eglynn-officecool\15:58
fabiogI will check the votes EOD friday15:58
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eglynn-officecool thanks fabiog15:59
_nadya_fabiog: thanks a lot! It would be great to attend15:59
eglynn-officeanything else folks wanted to raise?15:59
eglynn-officethe shot-clock has beaten us again16:00
eglynn-office... thanks for your time folks16:00
eglynn-office#endmeeting ceilometer16:00
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gmann#startmeeting qa22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 22 22:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'22:00
gmannHi, who all here today?22:00
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riwintershello22:00
gmannriwinters: hello22:00
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gmannmay be ppl ll join later . Let’s start meeting22:01
gmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_January_22nd_2015_.282200_UTC.2922:01
gmann^^^ Today's agenda22:01
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gmann#topic Specs Reviews22:02
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gmannDoes anyone have any open spec review to discuss?22:02
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gmannOk, if nothing then, let's move onto the next topic22:03
riwintersno :)22:03
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gmann#topic Blueprints22:03
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gmannAny open blueprints that we need to discuss or any status updates?22:03
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gmannI want to bring some updates on rest_client movement to tempest-lib on which oomichi is working22:04
gmannrest_client has been moved to tempest-lib (version 0.1.0).22:05
gmannglobal requirement updates is required because of  tempest-lib version up22:05
gmannpatch is up for that22:05
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148789/22:05
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gmannyou may get import error with tempest-lib version up22:06
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gmannso once global requirement is updated, its all good22:07
gmannoomichi is working on service clients movement.22:07
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gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:service-client,n,z22:07
gmannAnything else on BP updates22:08
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gmannriwinters: looks like we 2 of us here :)22:08
riwintersyes - :)22:08
gmannok, let’s move onto next topic.22:09
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afazekaso/22:09
gmann#topic Devstack22:09
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gmannafazekas: hi22:09
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gmannsdague, dtroyer: u guys around22:09
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dkranzo/22:10
dpatersono/22:11
gmannanything on devstack from anyone22:11
curtis_pennero/22:11
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gmannlet's move onto the next topic then22:12
gmann#topic Grenade22:12
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gmannAnyone has anything to discuss on Grenade22:12
gmann#topic Bugs22:13
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gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report22:13
gmann^^This week bug report22:14
gmannI had the triage rotation this week. maurosr will have for next week.22:14
gmann#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation22:14
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gmannNeed more volunteer for triage rotation.22:15
dkranzgmann: I put myself in for three weeks from now22:15
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gmanndkranz: great. Thanks..22:15
dkranzgmann: maybe send an email to ask for volunteers22:15
dkranzNOt such a big job now that we have caught up22:15
gmanndkranz: yes, that will be good i will do that.22:16
gmann#action: gmann to send mail for bug triage volunteers22:16
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gmanni have put myself for feb-2 week22:17
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gmannanything else on this topic.22:17
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gmannok, so move to next topic22:18
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gmann#topic Critical Reviews22:18
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gmannDoes anyone have any critical reviews they'd like to bring up?22:18
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gmanndkranz: regarding service client (neutron one) movement to lib22:19
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gmannoomichi has started the work22:20
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:service-client,n,z22:20
dkranzgmann: I discusssed this with marun22:20
gmanndkranz: ok22:20
dkranzgmann: The important thing is to have a version of the client in tempest that can be used outside. After https://review.openstack.org/148773 merges we will have that22:21
dkranzgmann: the neutron team can experiment a little with a copy22:21
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dkranzgmann: of course we need to fix the auth/credentials thing but it is not strictly necessary for them to proceed22:22
dkranzgmann: They are going to be using the client in a no-auth way in any event22:22
gmanndkranz: ok, then its fine.22:22
gmanni will do review for client movement22:23
gmannand auth work can be done in parallel22:23
dkranzgmann: Since it will be much harder to make changes to clients after they move, it would be good to have a little settling time before actually moving22:23
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dkranzgmann: But we should not allow any changes to the neutron client unless approved by the neutron team22:23
dkranzgmann: they do have a goal of moving the neutron api tests into the neutron tree22:24
dkranzgmann: but there are still some issues to work out22:24
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dkranzgmann: like how we will continue to have a coherent test suite after that happens22:24
gmanndkranz: yes, that true. I discussed about neutron advance service tests in tempest with Matt22:24
gmanndkranz: he has also same thought.22:25
dkranzgmann: and of course we will still need integration tests in tempest that exercise the neutron apis as called from other services22:25
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dkranzgmann: so I think marun will propose something22:25
gmanndkranz: thats make sense.22:26
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dkranzok, that's about all I have on that subject22:26
dkranzI will be on vacation next but will get back to more client-returns-one-value changes after that.22:26
gmanndkranz: more nd more scenario tests should be welcome22:26
gmanndkranz: Thanks a lot.22:26
dkranzgmann: yes, but we should make sure they are really integration tests22:27
gmanndkranz: yes.22:27
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gmannanything else on review side22:28
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gmann#topic open discussion22:29
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gmannas we have much time, anything anyone want to discuss22:30
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gmannok, if there is nothing else, we'll end here22:31
gmannThanks everyone for joining the meeting.22:32
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gmannHave a great day/night22:32
gmann#endmeeting22:32
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