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| HenryG | hi | 12:59 |
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| jlibosva1 | hi | 12:59 |
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| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 16 13:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:01 |
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| rpodolyaka | o/ | 13:01 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: jlibosva: hi | 13:01 |
| jlibosva | hello | 13:02 |
| HenryG | rpodolyaka: hi | 13:02 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: around? | 13:02 |
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| HenryG | #topic Blueprint | 13:02 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando has provided details comments on the spec | 13:03 |
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| HenryG | I will address them and update it shortly | 13:03 |
| HenryG | There is not much change affecting the implementation | 13:03 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 13:04 |
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| HenryG | But he did bring up an interesting idea about dealing with downgrades | 13:04 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: hi, good to have you here | 13:04 |
| salv-orlando | and on the other hand I think we should not add too much to a single blueprint | 13:04 |
| salv-orlando | my comments were aimed at getting rid of the plugin specific migrations which exist up to icehouse | 13:05 |
| HenryG | So we'll look into the downgrade idea in a separate blueprint | 13:05 |
| salv-orlando | this could be or could not be part of that blueprint | 13:05 |
| salv-orlando | but I think efforts and assignees could be divided | 13:05 |
| salv-orlando | the healing migration is already going to be quite an effort - better not to overload this blueprint | 13:06 |
| HenryG | OK. I am leaning towards a separate BP | 13:06 |
| salv-orlando | the only thing I would add to the current spec is to include also trunk chasers (see comment inline) | 13:06 |
| rpodolyaka | +1 | 13:06 |
| HenryG | But it would need to go into Juno to be effective, right? | 13:06 |
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| HenryG | I am just about to push a new patch of the spec to adress all your comments | 13:07 |
| jlibosva | I think healing at the end of current trunk timeline will require to collect models from current codebase, right? | 13:08 |
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| rpodolyaka | I think we'll need that anyway | 13:08 |
| jlibosva | We will need models from Icehouse | 13:08 |
| rpodolyaka | (if we are going to take the 'alembic-driven' approach) | 13:08 |
| salv-orlando | Idk what’s the delta between icehouse and now | 13:09 |
| rpodolyaka | probably not much, a few migrations | 13:09 |
| * rpodolyaka didn't check | 13:09 | |
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| HenryG | So the two healings would differ by that delta? | 13:10 |
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| rpodolyaka | why would we need two healings? | 13:10 |
| salv-orlando | rigth. We can’t ignore trunk chasers; but on the other hand we can’t chase the head of the migration history. | 13:10 |
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| salv-orlando | rpodolyaka: for deployers who run openstack off trunk and might alrady be past-icehouse. | 13:11 |
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| HenryG | rpodolyaka: see salv-orlando comment in spec about trunk chasing | 13:11 |
| jlibosva | so why not putting it to trunk head only? | 13:11 |
| rpodolyaka | salv-orlando: right, but we are going to add another migration script which will just call healing right? | 13:11 |
| salv-orlando | but on the other hand if we decide not to care about them, we’d give just instructions to downgrade to icehouse, and then upgrade again | 13:11 |
| salv-orlando | and deal with potential data loss | 13:11 |
| rpodolyaka | salv-orlando: so we need to heal up to the 'current' moment | 13:11 |
| rpodolyaka | not icehouse | 13:11 |
| salv-orlando | rpodolyaka: yes indeed. | 13:12 |
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| HenryG | I guess that is option 3 | 13:12 |
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| salv-orlando | we might just stick the migration in the current point in the timeline when it’s merged | 13:12 |
| salv-orlando | and we’re done. | 13:12 |
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| salv-orlando | on the other hand I don’t want you guys to keep chasing a moving target. | 13:12 |
| HenryG | Are we agreeing on that? Sounds easiest to me. | 13:13 |
| rpodolyaka | we could 'freeze' new migrations for a week or two maybe? | 13:13 |
| salv-orlando | I’ll try and get in touch with the people who can decide actual stuff for neutron and then get an embargo on migrations for new patches. | 13:13 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova's script is already at the head. | 13:13 |
| rpodolyaka | when the healing script is ready | 13:13 |
| rpodolyaka | I mean, if you use alembic, this part with which state of models to use is kind of orthogonal to actual healing going, you can use whichever state you want, just need to have it fixed up to some point | 13:14 |
| HenryG | #agree to insert healing at head when it merges. | 13:14 |
| HenryG | Thanks | 13:14 |
| salv-orlando | rpodolyaka: if people in the meanwhile keep pushing migrations which need healing, you’ll chase a moving target. | 13:14 |
| salv-orlando | I think it’s reasonable to ask that no new migration will have the migration_for_plugins stuff | 13:15 |
| rpodolyaka | salv-orlando: agreed, but maybe we could -2 them for a short period of time? | 13:15 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: isn't it happening every time someone sends a patch to migrations? There needs to be HEAD file updated | 13:15 |
| salv-orlando | rpodolyaka: yes, we could. But the last time I started throwing -2s around I was surrounded by an angry mob ;) | 13:16 |
| rpodolyaka | heh | 13:16 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: that’s the standard issue, and it’s fairly easy to deal with. The problematic one is if one adds a migration which is plugin specific. | 13:16 |
| salv-orlando | That will require us to change also the healing migration, not just the down revision | 13:16 |
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| jlibosva | aha | 13:17 |
| HenryG | When the code is closer to "ready" we can require patches with migrations to be dependent on the healing patch? | 13:17 |
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| HenryG | That way they can't merge until the healing is merged, yet they won't get a -2. | 13:18 |
| rpodolyaka | +1 | 13:19 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: no worries I’m not afraid of angry mobs | 13:19 |
| salv-orlando | I grew up in a bad neighborhood | 13:20 |
| HenryG | :_ | 13:20 |
| HenryG | :) | 13:20 |
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| HenryG | OK, we have both alternatives. | 13:20 |
| HenryG | Anything else about the BP? | 13:21 |
| salv-orlando | nope. I’m ready to +2 once these little tweaks are made. | 13:21 |
| HenryG | #topic Work in progress | 13:21 |
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| salv-orlando | Then we’ll have it verified and possibly approved by markmcclain | 13:21 |
| HenryG | akamyshnikova: any updates? | 13:21 |
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| HenryG | rpodolyaka: What is the status of oslo.db ? | 13:23 |
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| rpodolyaka | HenryG: we've uploaded the initial release on PyPi but found a small issue :( | 13:23 |
| HenryG | rpodolyaka: small == soon fixed? | 13:24 |
| rpodolyaka | HenryG: yep, it's already on review | 13:24 |
| HenryG | rpodolyaka: thanks | 13:24 |
| rpodolyaka | HenryG: the next release should be good to use | 13:24 |
| HenryG | rpodolyaka: nice | 13:24 |
| rpodolyaka | HenryG: will tag as soon as the fix is merged | 13:24 |
| HenryG | Meanwhile we should all pull akamyshnikova's WIP patch and try it out. | 13:25 |
| HenryG | And provide feedback. | 13:25 |
| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:26 |
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| salv-orlando | oslo.db? | 13:26 |
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| HenryG | salv-orlando: we plan to use it for testing. It has a framework for unit testing of migrations. | 13:27 |
| HenryG | It's mentioned in the spec | 13:27 |
| salv-orlando | HenryG: using it for testing? but not switching to it from neutron.openstakc.common | 13:27 |
| salv-orlando | not referring to the spec. | 13:27 |
| salv-orlando | I’m saying: should we migrate to it? | 13:28 |
| salv-orlando | or is this meeting just about migrations? | 13:28 |
| rpodolyaka | salv-orlando: the migration should be easy. I'm ready to help here | 13:29 |
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| rpodolyaka | HenryG: actually, model/migrations comparison test didn't make it into the initial release, but we are ready to merge it/tag a new release soon | 13:29 |
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| HenryG | OK, we'll monitor the situation and use oslo.db only if it doesn't impede our progress | 13:31 |
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| HenryG | If there are no further questions I'll end here | 13:32 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 16 13:32:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-16-13.01.html | 13:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-16-13.01.txt | 13:33 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuu | 13:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-06-16-13.01.log.html | 13:33 |
| jlibosva | bye | 13:33 |
| HenryG | Thanks everyone | 13:33 |
| salv-orlando | and anyway I was not saying let’s use oslo.db for migrations. It seems to me that I often fail to express myself in a proper way... | 13:33 |
| salv-orlando | I was just saying: shall we work on moving from neutron.openstack.common.db to oslo.db? | 13:33 |
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| salv-orlando | anyway, I’ll see with rpodolyata what it’ll take. This is orthogonal to dbmigrations. | 13:34 |
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| fthamura | waiting openstack-training-manual meeting | 15:51 |
| fthamura | anyone here | 15:51 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 16 16:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
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| m4dcoder | hi | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | how are you? | 16:01 |
| m4dcoder | doing good. how about yourself? | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | still alive :) | 16:01 |
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| dzimine | hi all | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi Dmitri | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | so let's begin | 16:02 |
| dzimine | renat welcome back :) | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | can we start with quick member-by-member update today? | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | I read the previous meeting log so am a little bit aware of what you guys were doing | 16:03 |
| dzimine | I’ll start as there’s little to update: didn’t have time to continue ‘start-task’ blueprint last week unfortunately, so only did reviews | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ok, that's fine | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, do you see any potential problems with this task? | 16:04 |
| dzimine | no. it’s just a bunch of updates all over the place | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | one thing I'm worried about is that we must be really careful about changing our API | 16:04 |
| dzimine | I already have the draft impl. | 16:05 |
| dzimine | let’s talk about API later today. this is a key topic. | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | Angus warned us many times that we should be carefully versioning our API | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok, sure, let's postpone it | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder? | 16:05 |
| m4dcoder | proposed design for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-engine-executor-protocol on ML. also had some questions on parallelism referenced in the bp. waiting for responses. i have some other priority work to do this week so probably won't pick up this bp work until next week. | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | I see | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | could you please find a link to this thread? | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | there's 1500 emails in my inbox and I didn't process them yet ) | 16:07 |
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| m4dcoder | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037547.html | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | thanks a lot | 16:07 |
| m4dcoder | np | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | #info Winson's desing for engine-executor protocol: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037547.html | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | I'll look at it tomorrow morning and reply to you | 16:08 |
| m4dcoder | thanks! | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | that's pretty important for us | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | Nikolay, are you with us today? | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | he's probably not | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | Timur also said he couldn't make it to be at the meeting | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | so, as far as myself | 16:10 |
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| dzimine | is Angus around? | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | I spent most of the time on reading emails, BP comments and talking to folks to find out all the news | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | and I also started thinking on the big engine refactoring that we agreed on at the summit | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | have some ideas written down but nothing is really shaped out yet | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | my plan is to spend some time researching ansible and other wf technologies first since I feel I have lots of gaps in my awareness | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | I also reviewed several patches today and sent a couple of my own patches | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, dzimine, I agree with you suggestion to hold on making our devstack gate voting | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | there's a patch already but it'll be hanging for a while with -1 till we see it's comfortable to activate it | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | so anything else for now? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I would switch to open discussion and talk about API | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | unless we have anything else: roadblocks, questions etc. | 16:16 |
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| dzimine | API is the #1. | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: mistral)" | 16:16 | |
| rakhmerov | ok, fire away Dmitri | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | what are your thoughts? | 16:17 |
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| dzimine | Just like u, I spoke with Angus: they’re ready to use Mistral and once they do we can’t break things. | 16:17 |
| dzimine | But, we are making breaking changes on API. | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | which ones? | 16:17 |
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| dzimine | start-task, workflow-in-workflow, and exposing worklfows, triggeres, actiosn as 1st class entities. | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | oooh, but it's all in progress now | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | which is good | 16:18 |
| dzimine | So, how much of these can we do before we freeze the API? | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | I believe so far we didn't break anything | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | I would limit those changes in v1 by start-task | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | other things should be done as a part of the next API version | 16:19 |
| dzimine | What is the deprecation story? | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | because seemingly start-task thing is almost backwards compatible, am I right? | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | I mean "task" parameter could be just ommitted | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | deprecation? | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | you mean "requires"? | 16:20 |
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| dzimine | yes ‘task’ can be omitted and ignored in API call. Must present in DSL, though. | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | if you're talking about "requires" I'm ready to deprecate it now. However, we have to run it by our current stackholders: Fuel and Solum | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, DSL will slightly change | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | which is bad but I think we can afford this change now | 16:23 |
| dzimine | Here’s a suggestion: include start task and deprecate require’ in v1, and do the rest in v2. | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | agree | 16:24 |
| dzimine | An alternative would be to ask Angus to wait and help with the API (which he offered) and do the API cleanup in V1. | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | but again, let's make sure we won't steal a goodie from FUEL and SOLUM | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I mean "requies" | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | that's a good alternative | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | let me talk to him tomorrow | 16:25 |
| dzimine | I wonder if they can wait. | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | I just need to sync up with him and see what he's up to | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | yes, dunno | 16:25 |
| dzimine | with 2 versions of API we’ll need to support 2 sets of tests, etc, it’s too early. If they only can wait for a bit. | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | anyway, I wouldn't include other changes in V1 like multiple workflows etc. | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | only start-task and "requires" deprecation | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, good point about tests and whatever else | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, so I think we have an agreement on this | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | the only thing I would suggest is that we shouldn't hurry with this | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | we gotta be really really careful and think twice | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | and discuss things in ML | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | m4dcoder, just recalled I had a question for you | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | it's minor but I'm just curious | 16:29 |
| m4dcoder | shoot | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | why did you rename mistral.conf.example to mistral.conf.sample? | 16:29 |
| m4dcoder | generate_sample.sh generates sample file with this name. | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | was there any strong reason or it was just a preference? | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ooh | 16:29 |
| m4dcoder | also if we use check_todate.sh, it's looking for that file. | 16:30 |
| m4dcoder | more consistent then preference. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so it's sort of a standard naming in OpenStack, right? | 16:30 |
| m4dcoder | yep | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | I'm just asking because something got broken because of that but that's fine, we fixed it | 16:31 |
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| m4dcoder | cool | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | and I also renamed other example files in this manner too | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, a question to you | 16:32 |
| dzimine | fire | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | did you already assigned all the BPs to your folks as you planned about 3 weeks ago? | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | so that I know who is supposed to do what | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | in terms of amount of time you already told me so I just would like to know some detailes | 16:33 |
| dzimine | no: I am supposed to do this but I only do once they’re available to pick it up. | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as I understand, Manas is not available for now right? | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | and Kirill very little | 16:34 |
| dzimine | no for Manas, yes for Kirill. | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | alright | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | btw, I had a discussion with the folks today and told again that we should be more open to you | 16:36 |
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| dzimine | yes, thanks: and not just to us but to the community. | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yes, right | 16:38 |
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| dzimine | did you see the discussion on fuctiontests? | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | nope | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | in ML? | 16:39 |
| dzimine | etherpad. | 16:40 |
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| dzimine | ML has a link, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MistralNewTestsDesign | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | can you include the link pls? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | is there anything that's worth some special attention or it's just FYI? | 16:41 |
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| dzimine | The attempt is to make as much of functional tests EASILY runnable by developers, the smaller subset which require OpenStack can be run with devstack. Once we are there, we can turn the devstack gate on. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:42 |
| dzimine | I want to avoid the situation when there are some tests whic you can run on dev box (or takes too much effort to run), and they fail the gate. | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | well, assummingly we should have two test sets: OpenStack related and OpenStack free | 16:43 |
| dzimine | And, if we have them easy to run, we can chage the tests with the code. | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | sure, I totally agree with this | 16:43 |
| dzimine | Yes that’s the proposal. Now it’s not separated yet: all API tests assumed OpenStack related, but most API calls have little to do with OpenStack. | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | it would make the process more agile | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:44 |
| dzimine | So we all are in general agreement, we only need to give this the right priority. | 16:44 |
| dzimine | let’s check with Timur. | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, we need to start getting Sergey Murashov more and more involved into this | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | he's going to replace Timur almost 100% | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | alright | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | anything else for today? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | then let's finish the meeting | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks guys for joining today | 16:47 |
| dzimine | ОК | 16:47 |
| dzimine | cheers. | 16:47 |
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| m4dcoder | bye | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | I'll see you (virtually) soon | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 16 16:47:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-06-16-16.00.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-06-16-16.00.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-06-16-16.00.log.html | 16:48 |
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| fthamura | i am waiting openstack-training guide meeting :) | 16:56 |
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| dguitarbite | fthamura: meeting will start in a minute | 16:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 16 17:00:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:00 |
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| fthamura | hi all | 17:01 |
| sarob | Roll call | 17:01 |
| sarob | Hi | 17:01 |
| rluethi | howdy | 17:01 |
| fthamura | i am new in this training meeting. | 17:01 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:01 |
| fthamura | greet from indonesia, jakarta ;) | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi fthamura, welcome | 17:01 |
| fthamura | hope can become part of this great work , we use your work here to teach students, and working to adopt as curriculums, and interest with certification (today meeting), so i am listening to know more.. | 17:02 |
| sarob | #topic stable actions | 17:02 |
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| dguitarbite | fthamura: good to know that | 17:02 |
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| dguitarbite | stable: I am working on install guide, not much work done yet | 17:03 |
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| dguitarbite | mostly focsing on breaking down install-guide from openstack manuals | 17:03 |
| dguitarbite | I have a doubt | 17:03 |
| dguitarbite | what release should we focus on? | 17:03 |
| dguitarbite | that is maintain and design? | 17:03 |
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| sarob | Icehouse | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | +1 for Icehouse | 17:04 |
| rluethi | agreed. icehouse. check this out: https://review.openstack.org/99942 | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:04 |
| sarob | Morning sparkycollier | 17:04 |
| rluethi | sorry, wrong link | 17:04 |
| dguitarbite | also, which projects should we support for training | 17:04 |
| rluethi | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive/ | 17:04 |
| rluethi | that one. | 17:04 |
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| dguitarbite | should we consider new projeccts Ceilometer and Heat? | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | as they are covered by install guide | 17:05 |
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| dguitarbite | I am aiming for 90% re-use atleast .. it will be very easy to maintain new projects added to OpenStack | 17:05 |
| matjazp | well ceilometer and heat are nto so new projects.. so I say we include them | 17:05 |
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| rluethi | let's start with the core projects, see how the work out, then expand from there. | 17:06 |
| dguitarbite | vote? | 17:06 |
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| sarob | Rluethi +1 | 17:06 |
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| dguitarbite | dguitarbite +1 | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: sure, core first | 17:06 |
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| dguitarbite | *rluethi +1 | 17:07 |
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| dguitarbite | anything else for stable? | 17:08 |
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| fthamura | we are working to translate the material, we have a step-by-step training here, based on your training-guide, any idea for me to get that, the material using indonesian language | 17:09 |
| fthamura | should i work with anne for this or all of you? | 17:09 |
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| dguitarbite | fthamura: I think anne should give you better idea for getting started | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | good question... translations for training guides | 17:09 |
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| sarob | Fthamura you should work with tfifield on translations | 17:10 |
| rluethi | the language sections are currently disabled in our tox.ini | 17:10 |
| sarob | There is a translation project and team | 17:10 |
| fthamura | mostly student here, using javanese language rather indonesia, 6 months ago, i gave the english, they busy using google translate, so we translate, and now we can setup openstack in 3 days, still using 12.x and workint go make 14.x and icehouse | 17:10 |
| matjazp | sarob: so translation is out of scope for us? | 17:10 |
| sarob | Matjazp the translation team already does it | 17:11 |
| fthamura | my interest only in training transation right now, but our work still not match with all the content right now, | 17:11 |
| sarob | #action sarob make sure translations continue | 17:11 |
| rluethi | matjazp: I suspect it was mostly to get the repo up and running without any complex configuration. | 17:11 |
| matjazp | sarob: ok so it's a separate project. cool.. | 17:11 |
| fthamura | will post in docs ML to ask this, i posted our work last week anyway | 17:12 |
| sarob | #action sarob verify Javanese translation | 17:12 |
| sarob | Good | 17:12 |
| sarob | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-09-17.03.html | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: sounds good to have our content translated | 17:13 |
| sarob | Take a look at your actions | 17:13 |
| fthamura | sarob, we use indonesia language, the student mostly cities around java island, using javanese language | 17:13 |
| sarob | Ah right | 17:13 |
| fthamura | thx dguitarbite | 17:13 |
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| fthamura | we use our material as hackathon material here ;) | 17:13 |
| sarob | #sarob verify Indonesia translation | 17:13 |
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| rluethi | sarob: I had a go at bug 1329567, do you know the status? | 17:14 |
| sarob | #action sarob verify Indonesia translation | 17:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1329567 in openstack-training-guides "since the repo move, new html is not getting on docs.openstack.org" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329567 | 17:14 |
| sarob | Doesn't look like anyone picked it up yet | 17:15 |
| sarob | Hold everything for a | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: does it come under stable? | 17:15 |
| sarob | Minute | 17:15 |
| rluethi | I'm not sure it would work. I can't really test it. | 17:15 |
| sarob | #topic sparkycollier talks training | 17:15 |
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| sparkycollier | hi all | 17:16 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:16 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:16 |
| dguitarbite | hi | 17:16 |
| sarob | I asked Sparkycollier to give us | 17:16 |
| sparkycollier | the foundation plans to roll out a baseline certification. we are now in the process of negotiating with 3rd party companies to help us execute that plan | 17:17 |
| sarob | A foundation update | 17:17 |
| dguitarbite | sparkycollier: sounds good | 17:17 |
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| fthamura | any idea for certification, i can become foundation hand here? | 17:17 |
| sparkycollier | once we have negotiated an agreement with a 3rd party to help us with execution, we will be asking for as many subject matter experts as possible to join in the development phase | 17:17 |
| fthamura | so my student can get certification | 17:18 |
| sparkycollier | which will take several months.. to develop the test itself | 17:18 |
| sparkycollier | the end goal is to make it possible for people all over the world to take the test and get a certification | 17:18 |
| dguitarbite | sparkycollier: is the foundation targeting something like coursera? | 17:18 |
| sparkycollier | we are also hiring someone to help us in this area (ecosystem manager job) see posting http://www.openstack.org/community/jobs/?foundation=1 | 17:18 |
| matjazp | sparkycollier: so the plan is to create a pool of questions/taska/tests that can be taken online? | 17:19 |
| sparkycollier | the details are TBD but my expectation is that hte testing will be done in person at 3rd party testing centers not online | 17:19 |
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| sparkycollier | I hope to have more details to share in a few weeks when we are further along | 17:20 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:20 |
| matjazp | sparkycollier: can we reuse some of the questions in the pool for inclusion in training guides? | 17:20 |
| sparkycollier | good question, let me look into that. | 17:21 |
| matjazp | sparkycollier: of course, when we'll create our own set, we it can be also integrated into Certificate's pool | 17:21 |
| sparkycollier | my thinking is that a goal of any training might be to prepare you to pass the test, among other things, including the online training you all are working on now | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | sparkycollier: agree | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | sparkycollier: agree | 17:22 |
| sparkycollier | I would think that many people on this team will want to particpate in the test development once we kick that off | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | sparkycollier: sure | 17:22 |
| fthamura | sound like OpenStack Ceritified Professional | 17:23 |
| matjazp | sparkycollier: if the question pool is large, then there is no need for hidning the questions ;) | 17:23 |
| fthamura | Redhat starts rollout this kind of certification also here | 17:23 |
| sparkycollier | thanks all, I'll be happy to join the meeting again with future updates and to ask for your help :) | 17:23 |
| matjazp | hinding=hiding | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | sparkycollier: thanks a lot for joining us | 17:23 |
| fthamura | how this certification work with RedHat, and will we use Ubuntu as default distro? | 17:24 |
| matjazp | bye | 17:24 |
| sparkycollier | our expectation is that this certification will be vendor neutral and then other distro vendors may offer "add on" certifications that specialize in that particular distro | 17:24 |
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| fthamura | sparkycollier: i interest with this positioning, neutral, that will be awesome, | 17:25 |
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| sparkycollier | I think that is an important aspect | 17:26 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: foundation always maintains the balance and keeps their official projects vendor neurtal | 17:26 |
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| sarob | Roger that | 17:27 |
| fthamura | dguitarbite: that why i love openstack movement :) | 17:27 |
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| dguitarbite | :) | 17:27 |
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| fthamura | the first open foundation that work and care about education :) | 17:27 |
| sarob | Thanks for joining us sparkycollier | 17:27 |
| sparkycollier | happy to! | 17:27 |
| sarob | Let's move back to outstanding actions | 17:28 |
| sarob | #topic stable actions | 17:28 |
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| dguitarbite | 1. Use install guides except where it is not possible | 17:28 |
| sarob | We can continue the training cert discussion later on docs channel | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | 2. Target Fedora and CentOS along side Ubuntu | 17:29 |
| dguitarbite | also makes it easier to transition for the official certification program | 17:29 |
| fthamura | +1 for Fedora and CentOS | 17:30 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite plan inline maven switch | 17:30 |
| sarob | Like install guides? | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | very much like install guides | 17:30 |
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| dguitarbite | mostly the skeleton will be ours | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | the content should be taken from install guides | 17:31 |
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| sarob | Okay | 17:31 |
| fthamura | anyone evaluate, the syntax between distro, and make a list what different? | 17:31 |
| fthamura | like apache2 structure in rpm world and deb world usually different | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: you could start with that, may be have some thing like basics of each distro and differences | 17:31 |
| dguitarbite | to make it easy to adopt for students who have little to no idea about Linux OSs | 17:32 |
| fthamura | i am using ubuntu and centos, can do that in the future, | 17:32 |
| rluethi | fthamura: compare the install guides, that will give you a good start | 17:32 |
| fthamura | dguitarbite, right!! :) | 17:32 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite update your plans in the wiki | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:33 |
| fthamura | i think several feedback to the training, we should have a mini openstack spec to start, like 1 server, 3 server or 5 server, or 10 (ubuntu orange box) | 17:33 |
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| dguitarbite | sarob: another thing, should we aim to be with the current releases? | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: we wont target Ubuntu Orange box | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | we will keep our materials vendor neutral | 17:33 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite same schedule as docs to start | 17:33 |
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| fthamura | no, i am not target ubuntu box also, i said about 10 servers | 17:34 |
| fthamura | right now, i am working with 1 server, and will move to 3 server | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: when should we get there? I think we should have some road map to get there ... | 17:34 |
| fthamura | will high availability material part of training guide? | 17:34 |
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| sarob | Dguitarbite hmm, true. | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: hmm, ok. Just be sure about Ubuntu box, I have not yet heard any review | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | HA may be part of Architect Guide | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | but definatly not for Associate, Operator or even Developer guide | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | HA is kind of advanced concept to start with | 17:35 |
| fthamura | i steal ubuntu box idea, i bought intel nuc 10 ;) and setup on it ;) rather buy ubuntu box, 1 nuc $500 :) | 17:35 |
| sarob | Dguitarbite can we match docs schedule for juno | 17:35 |
| fthamura | so we can setup cheap lab for poor school | 17:35 |
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| sarob | Dguitarbite with stable team | 17:36 |
| fthamura | ubuntu box 12000$, intel nuc 10 pcs 5000$ | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I think so, I aim to finish Ice House part by end of this month, we could start | 17:36 |
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| dguitarbite | Juno adoption next month onwards | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | I guess it will be on time | 17:36 |
| sarob | Guys it's good to discuss details offline in the docs channel | 17:36 |
| sarob | We need to talk tasks | 17:37 |
| sarob | Right now | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: lets talk about it after the meeting, we have limited time | 17:37 |
| sarob | Hard stop at 11am pdt | 17:37 |
| fthamura | any place to ask training thing outside this weekly? doc ML is not the place.. can we have training@openstack.org ML dedicated, so student can discuss and ask material there | 17:37 |
| sarob | #action dguitarbite stable team plans for matching docs team release cycle | 17:38 |
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| sarob | Docs ML is the place | 17:38 |
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| sarob | As well as #openstack-docs channel | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite update stable team plans on Wiki Page | 17:39 |
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| sarob | Moving on | 17:39 |
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| sarob | #topic development actions | 17:39 |
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| sarob | Comcast guys introduced to dguitarbite | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: are they not attending the meeting? | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | or they missed it somehow | 17:40 |
| sarob | Doesn't look like it | 17:40 |
| MeganR | Hi, Scott and I are on | 17:40 |
| sarob | Sweet | 17:41 |
| MeganR | Shilla will not be able to attend today | 17:41 |
| sarob | Hi meganr | 17:41 |
| sarob | Np | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | MeganR: hello | 17:41 |
| rluethi | megan_w: hi | 17:41 |
| ZucanGK | Hello :) | 17:41 |
| ZucanGK | (I'm Scott) | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | ZucanGK: hello | 17:41 |
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| rluethi | hey | 17:42 |
| matjazp | hi MeganR, ZucanGK | 17:42 |
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| MeganR | Hi, we are getting up to speed and look forward to helping out | 17:42 |
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| sarob | Zucangk meganr welcome | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | ok, just reach out to me, rluethi anytime on IRC openstack-doc or on email, mailing list | 17:43 |
| sarob | Real quick I will finish up | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | we are happy to help you guys out | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: yep | 17:43 |
| sarob | I posted a spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99724/ | 17:43 |
| MeganR | sounds great, thank you | 17:43 |
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| sarob | I'll work on proper word wrapping | 17:44 |
| sarob | More Dev specs today | 17:44 |
| sarob | #topic testing action | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | 1. we still haven't resolved the Moodle usage.. | 17:44 |
| matjazp | so I will make a spec for it | 17:45 |
| sarob | Matjazp good | 17:45 |
| sarob | Matjazp update the wiki with your plans | 17:45 |
| fthamura | can i see the moodle? where is the URL , and how to join? | 17:45 |
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| sarob | Matjazp anything else task wise? | 17:46 |
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| matjazp | 2. questions are sliced for 4 Guides... no need to slice them further for topics inside guides? | 17:46 |
| dguitarbite | fthamura: we have not hosted it, I can help you out with Moodle's links http://moodle.com/ | 17:46 |
| matjazp | what do you think? | 17:46 |
| sarob | Matjazp agreed | 17:46 |
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| dguitarbite | matjazp: would be really good for topic wise slicing of the questions | 17:46 |
| matjazp | sarob: ok, will make it into specs | 17:46 |
| sarob | Moving on | 17:47 |
| matjazp | #action sparkycollier will look into reusing questions for Certification program for Training guides | 17:47 |
| sarob | #topic infrastructure actions | 17:47 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi and I have been working hard to get the infrastructure up | 17:47 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: wanna pitch in? | 17:48 |
| rluethi | uploading is going slowly, but we hope to have the scripts up later this week. | 17:48 |
| sarob | Rluethi dguitarbite irc bouncer? | 17:48 |
| rluethi | I hit a little snag, though. | 17:48 |
| rluethi | hosting of preseed/kickstart files. | 17:48 |
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| rluethi | Ubuntu 12.04 needs http, not https. | 17:49 |
| rluethi | github raw files are only https. | 17:49 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I can host at Arnes.. | 17:49 |
| sarob | Update the wiki with the details floating around | 17:49 |
| rluethi | openstack git works, I tested it. is there a policy against serving files from there? | 17:49 |
| sarob | I'm lost on scripting status | 17:50 |
| rluethi | (it's not much traffic, a few small files) | 17:50 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: SSL offloading? | 17:50 |
| rluethi | huh? | 17:50 |
| sarob | Don't forget git.openstack.org mirrors github | 17:51 |
| rluethi | it's just that the old Ubuntu/Debian installer can't grab a config file through https. | 17:51 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: SSL offloading -- converts https to http and vice versa | 17:51 |
| clarkb | rluethi: yes please use git.openstack.org | 17:51 |
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| clarkb | github is known for not being very reliable | 17:51 |
| rluethi | sarob: if I can use git.openstack.org, there's no problem, because it offers http downloads. | 17:51 |
| rluethi | okay, will do. we can still change the URLs later. | 17:52 |
| sarob | Rluethi yup use that | 17:52 |
| rluethi | matjazp: thanks! | 17:52 |
| sarob | Irc bouncer? | 17:52 |
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| sarob | Only a few minutes left | 17:52 |
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| * annegentle waves | 17:53 | |
| rluethi | sarob: I was wondering about that, too. who would host the bouncer? | 17:53 |
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| rluethi | hi anne. | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: I need to work on that, I was waiting for decision for openstack-training IRC channel. Since we decided not to use it | 17:53 |
| annegentle | I read thru the log, just wanted to say hi | 17:53 |
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| matjazp | hi annegentle | 17:53 |
| dguitarbite | annegentle: hello | 17:53 |
| sarob | We are going to use #openstack-docs | 17:53 |
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| matjazp | sarob: do we still need irc bouncer if we use docs channel? | 17:54 |
| sarob | Until we get too noisey | 17:54 |
| fthamura | +1 for the openstack-training manual, so we have a room for training focus chat, can bring student there and interact with people | 17:54 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: yep, was waiting for that, could not get time after that, do we still need IRC bouncer? | 17:54 |
| sarob | Yes it's for our clients | 17:54 |
| sarob | Not server | 17:54 |
| fthamura | +1 openstack-training channel . | 17:54 |
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| annegentle | dguitarbite: the bouncer lets you catch up even when you're away from the channel | 17:54 |
| sarob | Yup | 17:54 |
| dguitarbite | annegentle: yep, I got that ... | 17:55 |
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| sarob | I'll catch up on bouncer with you guys later | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: any leads on where to start for setting it up? | 17:55 |
| annegentle | fthamura: I think students would have a better experience in #openstack or on ask.openstack.org, the regular support channels, would you agree? Or have you seen otherwise? | 17:55 |
| dguitarbite | or should I talk to the infra team for setting it up | 17:55 |
| rluethi | sarob: znc still needs to run on some sort of server. | 17:55 |
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| sarob | We can use my Bluehost acct | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I guess infra team will provide the ZNC server for us | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: sounds good | 17:56 |
| sarob | And or talk to infra team | 17:56 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: well, if they do: +1 | 17:56 |
| fthamura | annehgentle: yup just start to use ask.openstack.org. i try to list all the media to interact and exp if we have exam question, they can discuss there | 17:56 |
| sarob | Let's start with Bluehost | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | yep, if the infra team is generous it would be awesome | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:56 |
| dguitarbite | sarob: just shoot me the details later | 17:56 |
| annegentle | fthamura: good, better to train them early on the official channels | 17:57 |
| sarob | Ask is a good place for learning | 17:57 |
| fthamura | annegentle: tx | 17:57 |
| sarob | #topic other business | 17:57 |
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| sarob | So let's get the stable team new contributors working on creating bugs | 17:58 |
| sarob | First focus | 17:58 |
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| sarob | Then as stable starts working bugs as | 17:58 |
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| sarob | Soon as you feel you are ready | 17:59 |
| sarob | Team | 17:59 |
| sarob | Wise | 17:59 |
| sarob | Critical bugs fix immediately | 17:59 |
| sarob | Sound like plan? | 17:59 |
| matjazp | sarob: update wiki :) | 17:59 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:59 |
| sarob | Cool | 18:00 |
| sarob | We are done | 18:00 |
| dguitarbite | ill get them started | 18:00 |
| rluethi | just in time | 18:00 |
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| sarob | Thanks people ! | 18:00 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 16 18:00:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-16-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| fthamura | thx for this meeting, hope can join next week | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-16-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-06-16-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 16 18:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
| trinaths | hi all | 18:00 |
| anteaya | who is here for the third-party meeting? | 18:01 |
| lyxus | I am | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 18:01 |
| trinaths | I am | 18:01 |
| luqas | o/ | 18:01 |
| sweston | o/ | 18:01 |
| ilyashakhat__ | o/ | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | great welcome | 18:01 |
| anteaya | here is our agenda | 18:01 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | so Welcome | 18:02 |
| anteaya | anyone here for the first time? | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | hi SergeyLukjanov | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (not for the first time) | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | yeah :D | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | so reminding everyone what the openstack mission is | 18:02 |
| anteaya | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:02 |
| lyxus | I joined the infra when we talked about CI. Not this one though | 18:02 |
| anteaya | lyxus: welcome | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:03 |
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| anteaya | there are no open action items from last week | 18:03 |
| anteaya | that was quick | 18:03 |
| anteaya | #topic Announcements | 18:03 |
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| anteaya | anyone have any announcements? | 18:03 |
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| anteaya | mestery: you will see I moved your item | 18:03 |
| mestery | anteaya: thx | 18:04 |
| anteaya | no announcements? | 18:04 |
| anteaya | let's move on | 18:04 |
| anteaya | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | #info Review of Neutron 3rd party driver/plugin requirements wiki page (mestery): | 18:04 |
| anteaya | mestery: the floor is yours | 18:04 |
| mestery | anteaya: Thanks | 18:04 |
| mestery | #link | 18:05 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronPlugins | 18:05 |
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| mestery | So, this somewhat ties into this page as well: | 18:05 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting | 18:05 |
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| mestery | Mostly, I had hoped to solicit feedback from everyone at this meeting. | 18:05 |
| mestery | anteaya has worked with me on parts of this already, and her help was much appreciated! | 18:05 |
| anteaya | np | 18:05 |
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| mestery | Does anyone have comments? | 18:06 |
| anteaya | so all of it or any part in particular? | 18:06 |
| mestery | anteaya: Well, perhaps the general direction, but specifics are fine as well. ;) | 18:06 |
| anteaya | if folks are seeing this for the first time it might be a bit of a chunk to give feedback right now | 18:06 |
| anteaya | okay | 18:06 |
| mestery | Mostly, I wanted to document hte process elements here so things are written down and expectations are known | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | right | 18:06 |
| anteaya | and I goal I stand behind | 18:06 |
| mestery | thanks! | 18:07 |
| anteaya | anyone willing to read this and give mestery some feedback on it? | 18:07 |
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| anteaya | doesn't have to be right now but maybe in the next two days? | 18:07 |
| mestery | trinaths: Your input would be great here if you have time! | 18:07 |
| sweston | I can volunteer for that | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | mestery, I had seen the second page before, but I'll chime in | 18:07 |
| mestery | sweston: thanks! | 18:07 |
| mestery | krtaylor: perfect, thank you too! | 18:07 |
| trinaths | mestery: neutron 3rd party testing links really helps in what is expected for a 3rd party CI testing | 18:07 |
| anteaya | sweston krtaylor awesome | 18:07 |
| lyxus | Most of the points make sense from my point of view. ie: provide logs, last timestamp, etc... The only input that I would have is to have a clear set of what kind of tests are required to be run | 18:07 |
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| mestery | lyxus: good input, thanks! | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | anyone have anything more at this time? | 18:08 |
| lyxus | Maybe another one :) | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | mestery, when I was doing my survey of third party documentation before summit, itwas one of the best I found, but I'll look at it in more detail | 18:08 |
| anteaya | go ahead | 18:09 |
| trinaths | mestery: [doubt] is that all the test cases be passed for a given patchset and change? | 18:09 |
| luqas | also could be nice to have the link to the neutron 3rd party requirements on the general 3rd party page | 18:09 |
| lyxus | The health of the CI is extremely important. There was an email this AM about the % success vs failure. could you clarifiy that ? | 18:09 |
| mestery | trinaths: Yes, that would be the case I believe. | 18:09 |
| anteaya | luqas: we don't have a general third party page yet, I am working on it | 18:10 |
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| anteaya | luqas: and yes once we have it, the links can be there | 18:10 |
| lyxus | ie: does failure means voting -1 or wrongly reporting -1/+1 | 18:10 |
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| trinaths | mestery: okay. | 18:10 |
| mestery | lyxus: Understood, I'll clarfiy that, good input! | 18:11 |
| anteaya | failure means build failure | 18:11 |
| luqas | anteaya: I thought this one was the general http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html | 18:11 |
| anteaya | wrongly reporting means disagreement with jenkins | 18:11 |
| anteaya | luqas: ah, I see what you mean | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | luqas: hmmmm, do feel free to offer a patch with that change and we can review it | 18:11 |
| lyxus | anteaya, Not exaclty it could be an issue in the Third party infra that made a -1 where it should'nt be | 18:12 |
| anteaya | I'm not saying yes or no right now, I would need to think about it and hear from others | 18:12 |
| anteaya | lyxus: sorry I thought you were asking for definitions | 18:12 |
| lyxus | i wasn't clear sorry ! | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | lyxus: if a third party ci system reported a failed build when they shouldn't what would be the situation? | 18:13 |
| anteaya | 1) the third party ci is mailfuntioning | 18:13 |
| luqas | well, it would be nice to have links to all the specifics for the different 3rd party components | 18:13 |
| anteaya | 2) the third party ci is incorrect | 18:13 |
| anteaya | what are the other posssiblities? | 18:13 |
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| anteaya | yes is would | 18:13 |
| anteaya | part of the reason for these meetings is to deine all the things | 18:14 |
| krtaylor | hm, maybe a terms/definitions section would be good for those starting out? | 18:14 |
| anteaya | once we have defined all the things we can write them down and link to them | 18:14 |
| anteaya | a good suggestion | 18:14 |
| lyxus | I don't think so. I think it should be part of the metrics. (in my case, i don't do automatic -1, as i review them by hand ) | 18:14 |
| luqas | sounds good to me | 18:14 |
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| anteaya | it would be good to have phrasing that we agree on defined | 18:14 |
| trinaths | lyxus: failed, means [1] stack components did not start or [2] unable download the packages from internet - were there any thing you have noticed of build failure | 18:15 |
| anteaya | lyxus: this is what I am asking you | 18:15 |
| anteaya | lyxus: please expand on your perspective | 18:15 |
| anteaya | I don't understand your point yet | 18:15 |
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| anteaya | I'm not saying you don't have a point, I'm saying I don't know what it is | 18:16 |
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| krtaylor | we should uncouple voting -1/+1 and failure maybe? | 18:16 |
| anteaya | I agree | 18:16 |
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| anteaya | since failure and success are build outcomes | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | one is potentially the result of the other | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | yes | 18:17 |
| trinaths | as I know, a ci build fails when [1] unable to download the packages from internet , [2] a stack service did not start or [3] a test completely fails. | 18:17 |
| anteaya | potentially yes | 18:17 |
| lyxus | I think i went to far on my idea. I was just wondering how we are going to measure the health of the CI. As long as we have clear requirements , I am fine with that. I just don't think that voting -1 should be part of the metrics | 18:17 |
| anteaya | trinaths: those are the options I also am aware of | 18:17 |
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| anteaya | if there are others, I would like to know what they are | 18:17 |
| krtaylor | trinaths, or, it could be a race condition, we see that often | 18:18 |
| anteaya | lyxus: okay fair enough | 18:18 |
| anteaya | lyxus: why do you feel voting -1 should not be part of the metrics? | 18:18 |
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| akerr | anteaya: it's possible someone commits code the legitimately breaks a driver. That's not a failure or instability of the ci system | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | akerr: right | 18:20 |
| anteaya | that is one of the possible outcomes of testing | 18:20 |
| akerr | -1 counting will give you a lot of red herrings if you use them to look for instability | 18:21 |
| anteaya | and rather the point of the whole affair | 18:21 |
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| lyxus | anteaya, Voting -1 means that there is a problem with the dev code. As a dev, if i have a -1 it takes time to investigate it and see the issue. As the CI maintainer before doing a -1, i want to be sure that it is a real problem. This thing might take a bit | 18:21 |
| anteaya | akerr: how do you propose we identify unstable systems? | 18:21 |
| lyxus | anteaya, Don't get me wrong -1 are important. | 18:21 |
| akerr | anteaya: I don't have a good answer for that, but I don't think -1 counting is the right way | 18:21 |
| anteaya | lyxus: fair enough | 18:21 |
| anteaya | lyxus: and if you need time to communicate that is fair | 18:22 |
| anteaya | keep in mind this meeting is to share ideas | 18:22 |
| anteaya | we have no authority to make decisions | 18:22 |
| anteaya | decisions like with the programs | 18:22 |
| anteaya | infra, neutron, nova, cinder, etc | 18:22 |
| anteaya | we are here to share ideas | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | agreed, but after discussing, we might be able to influence them a little bit | 18:23 |
| krtaylor | eventually | 18:23 |
| anteaya | akerr: okay, I'm open to hearing what you feel the right way is after you have had some time to give it some thought | 18:23 |
| anteaya | sure | 18:23 |
| anteaya | we can present good ideas | 18:23 |
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| anteaya | and improve documentation and disemmination of information | 18:24 |
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| anteaya | so any more on this topic today? | 18:24 |
| lyxus | Not for me | 18:24 |
| anteaya | great | 18:24 |
| anteaya | let's move on | 18:24 |
| anteaya | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:24 |
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| anteaya | mestery: anything for this topic today? | 18:25 |
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| mestery | anteaya: Nothing that isn't in the published wiki pages or the email I sent. | 18:25 |
| anteaya | let's put it in the logs as well | 18:25 |
| mestery | People ahve been very proactive about sending me emails, I need to reply and indicate they shoudl also copy the list. | 18:25 |
| anteaya | in case people only read meeting logs | 18:25 |
| mestery | OK | 18:25 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:25 |
| mestery | The plan is to ensure all Neutron 3rd party CI systems are running by Juno-2. | 18:26 |
| mestery | If they are not, we will take steps to remove code from the upstream tree. | 18:26 |
| anteaya | awesome thank you | 18:26 |
| mestery | I hope CI admins use this meeting to get help and work with the broader community before the deadline! | 18:26 |
| anteaya | and you have at least two drivers slated for deprecation, yes? | 18:26 |
| anteaya | mestery: thanks, me too | 18:26 |
| mestery | Correct; Linuxbridge and OVS will be removed in Juno-2. | 18:26 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:27 |
| mestery | ML2 is the replacement for both. | 18:27 |
| * anteaya nods | 18:27 | |
| anteaya | any other openstack program reps with deadlines or deprecations today? | 18:27 |
| anteaya | moving on | 18:27 |
| anteaya | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:27 |
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| anteaya | #info How DriverLog can help tracking 3rd party CIs status | 18:28 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: is that your topic? | 18:28 |
| ilyashakhat__ | yep, i'm here to help) | 18:28 |
| anteaya | great | 18:28 |
| anteaya | welcome | 18:28 |
| anteaya | let's start off with some background shall we | 18:28 |
| anteaya | what is driverlog, and what is the current status? | 18:28 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | DriverLog does 2 things: 1) it is a list of drivers | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | how is the list of drivers compiled? | 18:30 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | 2) for drivers with enabled CIs it collects votes and shows their status | 18:30 |
| anteaya | what files are scraped to arrive at the driverlog list? | 18:30 |
| anteaya | let's start off with the list of drivers | 18:30 |
| anteaya | how does that occur? | 18:30 |
| trinaths | is DriverLog, active now. can we access it | 18:30 |
| ilyashakhat__ | the list was created manually and updated by community | 18:31 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | trinaths: http://stackalytics.com/report/driverlog | 18:31 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | the patches are accepted to project stackforge/driverlog | 18:31 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: where is the file containing the list so that people can file patches? | 18:31 |
| ilyashakhat__ | yes, https://github.com/stackforge/driverlog/blob/master/etc/default_data.json | 18:32 |
| ilyashakhat__ | for every driver it is possible to specify static list of versions, | 18:32 |
| anteaya | okay so for drivers either present that shouldn't be or missing that should be there, folks can file patches to that file, correct? | 18:32 |
| ilyashakhat__ | or this list can be calculated by gerrit reviews | 18:33 |
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| anteaya | static list of versions | 18:33 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: correct | 18:33 |
| anteaya | what do you mean, openstack release versions? | 18:33 |
| ilyashakhat__ | yes | 18:33 |
| ilyashakhat__ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog | 18:33 |
| anteaya | okay great | 18:33 |
| anteaya | anyone with any other questions about the list of drivers and how that is compiled? | 18:34 |
| lyxus | ilyashakhat__, maintainers: is it the code maintainer or Ci maintainer. I assume also that you can have more than one maintainer. Seem to be a list | 18:34 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | lyxus: maintainer = person who can respond to any questions regarding the driver | 18:34 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | it is a list | 18:34 |
| lyxus | ilyashakhat__, thank you | 18:34 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: how is the list of maintainers compiled? | 18:35 |
| trinaths | ilyashakhat__, when can a unlisted driver be added, after CI is approved for voting ? | 18:35 |
| anteaya | where did you get that information? | 18:35 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: just digging over wiki-pages :) | 18:35 |
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| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: hmmmm, not really a canonical list | 18:36 |
| anteaya | for something as sdague rightly pointed out is consummed by the media | 18:36 |
| ilyashakhat__ | trinaths: you may add driver first and then update it with CI info | 18:36 |
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| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: so maintainers add their driver when they want to? | 18:36 |
| ilyashakhat__ | yes | 18:36 |
| trinaths | ilyashakhat__, okay. it like git commit ? | 18:36 |
| anteaya | no review of status for them to be added? | 18:37 |
| anteaya | trinaths: it is a stackforge project | 18:37 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: what do you mean? | 18:37 |
| anteaya | trinaths: it follows the openstack workflow | 18:37 |
| trinaths | anteaya: okay thanks | 18:37 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: so the thing with anything with third party is status | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | readyness | 18:37 |
| anteaya | stability | 18:37 |
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| anteaya | and third party vendors are motivated to say they are ready when they are not ready | 18:38 |
| ilyashakhat__ | having driver on the list doesn't mean it complies to 3rd-party requirements | 18:38 |
| anteaya | like mestery's round up of third party ci system's for neutron has shown | 18:38 |
| ilyashakhat__ | in that case the will get red mark meaning they have no CI | 18:38 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: what does having a driver on the list mean? | 18:38 |
| ilyashakhat__ | it means that driver exists in the world | 18:39 |
| anteaya | what is the meaning of having a driver on the list | 18:39 |
| anteaya | does it | 18:39 |
| anteaya | you just said it means they submitted a patch | 18:39 |
| ilyashakhat__ | aaa | 18:39 |
| trinaths | ilyashakhat__,then it will be a big list, when driver is listed here, it may be within the CI requirements | 18:39 |
| lyxus | ilyashakhat__, If i want to modify the default_data.json. Pull request is the way to go ? | 18:39 |
| ilyashakhat__ | lyxus: git review | 18:40 |
| lyxus | ilyashakhat__, ok | 18:40 |
| ilyashakhat__ | it follows standard OpenStack process | 18:40 |
| lyxus | ilyashakhat__, perfect ! | 18:40 |
| trinaths | ilyashakhat__, i think, the drivers/ci need to added whe CI meets the requirements and is voting .. | 18:40 |
| anteaya | so my point is that driverlog is estabilishing that it has no meaning | 18:40 |
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| anteaya | if it is just a place where vendors can shove code for marketers to consume | 18:40 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | why? 'CI tested' column is the right place to look for drivers with CI enabled | 18:41 |
| anteaya | ah yes | 18:41 |
| anteaya | let's get to CI tested | 18:41 |
| anteaya | which we already established last week on the ml doesn't actually mean tested | 18:41 |
| anteaya | so let's look at that column | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | the entries for that column are two icons | 18:42 |
| ilyashakhat__ | yep, i think this needs to be fixed | 18:42 |
| anteaya | am I correct so far? | 18:42 |
| anteaya | a green check mark and an arrow of some kind | 18:42 |
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| anteaya | pointing from lower left to upper right | 18:42 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: is this accurate so far? | 18:42 |
| ilyashakhat__ | (arrow means that link will be opened in new tab) | 18:43 |
| luqas | one thing is CI tested and another is that the CI fullfills the requirements | 18:43 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: yes | 18:43 |
| ilyashakhat__ | luqas: right | 18:43 |
| luqas | so maybe another mark is needed | 18:43 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: okay what do the icons mean? | 18:43 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | red means "no CI", green "CI is configured and has at least one vote" | 18:43 |
| anteaya | red what? | 18:44 |
| luqas | to tell if the CI is "certified" by OS | 18:44 |
| anteaya | no certified | 18:44 |
| anteaya | nothing is certified by anyone for any reason | 18:44 |
| ilyashakhat__ | luqas: don't use "certified" :) | 18:44 |
| luqas | sorry | 18:44 |
| luqas | :( | 18:44 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: so the check mark can be green or red? | 18:44 |
| ilyashakhat__ | red mark means that the driver has no CI | 18:44 |
| anteaya | is that what you are say? | 18:44 |
| ilyashakhat__ | yes | 18:44 |
| anteaya | what about the arrow | 18:45 |
| anteaya | what colour choices does the arrow have | 18:45 |
| ilyashakhat__ | arrow is just a part of design | 18:45 |
| anteaya | why have it? | 18:45 |
| anteaya | what information is it conveying? | 18:45 |
| ilyashakhat__ | it means that the link will be opened in new tab | 18:45 |
| anteaya | link to what? | 18:45 |
| ilyashakhat__ | web-link | 18:45 |
| krtaylor | but what does CI tested really mean? just running tests? or tested to pass some level of requirements? | 18:46 |
| anteaya | web-link to what? | 18:46 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: so far it appears to mean they have a gerrit account | 18:46 |
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| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: to the latest review where the driver's CI ran | 18:46 |
| luqas | which has voted at least once | 18:46 |
| anteaya | green check mark is "gerrit account exists" | 18:46 |
| ilyashakhat__ | krtaylor: CI tested = just running tests | 18:46 |
| anteaya | luqas: it could have voted on teh sandbox repo | 18:46 |
| anteaya | luqas: that is useless information | 18:47 |
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| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: but it isn't | 18:47 |
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| krtaylor | then it shouldnt be called "tested" | 18:47 |
| anteaya | right now all it is saying is the gerrit account exists | 18:47 |
| anteaya | yes, I agree with krtaylor | 18:47 |
| luqas | anteaya: then the vote on the sandbox repo shouldn't compute | 18:47 |
| krtaylor | "CI running" would be more descriptive | 18:47 |
| ilyashakhat__ | ok, we can rename it | 18:47 |
| anteaya | luqas: shouldn't and does are two different things | 18:48 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: please do | 18:48 |
| ilyashakhat__ | ok | 18:48 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: I'm not saying I disagree with the direction | 18:48 |
| anteaya | I am saying taht you are currently conveying inaccurate information | 18:48 |
| anteaya | in a field rife with inaccurate information | 18:48 |
| krtaylor | ilyashakhat__, I'll patch today for PowerKVM, it was missed in the initial population | 18:48 |
| ilyashakhat__ | but we are community, and we can improve it :) | 18:49 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, agreed | 18:49 |
| anteaya | making it very very hard for people who want to do the right thing | 18:49 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: good, the first improvement is to cease conveying inaccurate information | 18:49 |
| anteaya | as fast as you can | 18:49 |
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| anteaya | actually CI exists is the accurate discription of that column | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | since it isn't polling on current status of systems | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | and has green check marks for systems that haven't voted since februaruy | 18:50 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, then can't it self populate from the CI group? | 18:51 |
| anteaya | it doesn't seem to be doing so | 18:51 |
| ilyashakhat__ | if take only drivers with CIs, what kind of dashboard would you like to see? | 18:51 |
| anteaya | I don't know what it can or can't do, I jsut know what it is doing | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | we need to move onto the next agenda item | 18:51 |
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| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: will you agree to rename that column from ci tested to ci exists? | 18:52 |
| ilyashakhat__ | anteaya: yes, I agree | 18:52 |
| anteaya | and we can work on how to communicate other information on status | 18:52 |
| anteaya | ilyashakhat__: thank you | 18:52 |
| anteaya | #action ilyashakhat__ to rename driverlog ci tested? to ci exists | 18:52 |
| anteaya | we can talk more about driverlog next week | 18:52 |
| anteaya | fair enough? | 18:52 |
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| anteaya | okay I need to give trinaths some time | 18:53 |
| anteaya | #info Discussion on Improving CI performance and Multi Node setup (trinaths) | 18:53 |
| anteaya | trinaths: you're up | 18:53 |
| trinaths | yes | 18:53 |
| anteaya | what is on your mind | 18:53 |
| trinaths | with my CI, I see that it takes about an hour for a build to complete. any ideas on lowering the test run time | 18:54 |
| anteaya | trinaths: builds on infra take about an hour | 18:54 |
| anteaya | so the build time on your system is about the same as infra | 18:54 |
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| sweston | that's a good metric | 18:55 |
| anteaya | depends on what tests you are running | 18:55 |
| anteaya | what tests are you running? | 18:55 |
| trinaths | getting all the openstack components from git take much time | 18:55 |
| sweston | can that be posted somewhere .. a lot of people ask about that | 18:55 |
| anteaya | how much time? | 18:55 |
| anteaya | sweston: sure, where do you suggest? | 18:55 |
| trinaths | as suggested in Neutron3rdParty testing linl | 18:55 |
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| anteaya | mestery: any objection to adding that metric to the neutron third party wiki page? | 18:56 |
| sweston | anteaya: possibly a wiki | 18:56 |
| mestery | anteaya: I think adding that metric would be fine. | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | great thanks | 18:56 |
| trinaths | is that longer time for a build a fault with my CI, any suggestions on improvement | 18:56 |
| lyxus | I have cut down a lot of the building time by having a local pypi and having part some of the ubuntu packgages installed. | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | trinaths: do you want to add that and sweston can you review his changes? | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | lyxus: great, have you documented your process anywhere? | 18:57 |
| sweston | anteaya: glad to | 18:57 |
| anteaya | on a blog post perhaps? | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | sweston: thanks | 18:57 |
| lyxus | anteaya, I can write something if you want to | 18:57 |
| trinaths | what changes ? | 18:57 |
| anteaya | lyxus: that would be great if you could | 18:57 |
| lyxus | anteaya, I will do that. | 18:57 |
| anteaya | lyxus: thanks | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | and you can add the url to next week's meeting | 18:58 |
| anteaya | and we can applaud in gratitude | 18:58 |
| anteaya | :D | 18:58 |
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| sweston | anteaya: yw | 18:58 |
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| lyxus | We'll see :) I will write it this week. | 18:58 |
| anteaya | trinaths: do you want to add the information that it takes about an hour to run a build to the neutron wikipage? | 18:58 |
| anteaya | trinaths: sweston is willing to help you | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | lyxus: awesome thank you | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | we are out of time | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | sorry if I didn't get to your item, please add it to next week's agenda | 18:59 |
| trinaths | anteaya, sure. sweston help may solve the problem | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | thanks for a great meeting | 18:59 |
| krtaylor | good meeting! | 18:59 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 18:59 |
| lyxus | thanks ! | 18:59 |
| trinaths | by | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| luqas | bye | 18:59 |
| trinaths | ethanks | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 16 18:59:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-16-18.00.html | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-16-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-06-16-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| NobodyCam | who's here for the Ironic meeting? | 19:02 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:02 |
| jroll | \o | 19:02 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:02 |
| yuriyz | o\ | 19:02 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:02 |
| adam_g | o/ | 19:02 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:02 |
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| devananda | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 16 19:02:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| linggao | \o | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:02 |
| gmatefi | o/ | 19:02 |
| rloo_ | o/ | 19:02 |
| devananda | hi all! | 19:02 |
| mrda | \o | 19:02 |
| ifarkas | o/ | 19:03 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | hi devananda | 19:03 |
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| romcheg | Good morning/evening everyone! | 19:03 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 19:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:03 |
| devananda | as usual, our agenda can be found here | 19:03 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:03 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 19:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:03 | |
| devananda | I think there's a few announcements to make today | 19:04 |
| devananda | which I didn't add to the agenda -- sorry | 19:04 |
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| jroll | devananda: I have one as well when you're done | 19:04 |
| devananda | most notably, we landed a lot of bug fixes last week -- thanks to everyone who helped with reviews ! | 19:04 |
| devananda | and the J1 milestone was tagged on thursday | 19:04 |
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| devananda | also, sdague did a lot of work fixing the gate issues, one of which was removign ironic from the integrated gate | 19:05 |
| mrda | \o/ | 19:05 |
| JayF | /o\ \o/ | 19:05 |
| devananda | so we currently have our own gate queue, meaning we can land patches much faster than we could in the last few weeks | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:05 |
| devananda | so that should help us get some *features* landed in J2 :-D | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:06 |
| devananda | ok, two more announcements, which are on the wiki | 19:06 |
| devananda | bug tags -- dtantsur had started work on that, and I added several more | 19:06 |
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| devananda | and updated the main wiki | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you sdague ! | 19:06 |
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| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bug_Tags#Ironic | 19:06 |
| devananda | so when filing or triaging bugs, please try to tag them when there's something appropriate | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | oh I too have a minor thing | 19:07 |
| devananda | that'll help folks find bugs in areas they are familiar with / want to work on | 19:07 |
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| devananda | lastly | 19:07 |
| comstud | o/ (late) | 19:07 |
| devananda | the midcycle | 19:07 |
| devananda | we're confirmed and all that to be colocated with nova | 19:07 |
| devananda | details are here | 19:08 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BeavertonJunoSprint | 19:08 |
| devananda | if you are going to attend, please RSVP here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ironic-juno-mid-cycle-developer-meetup-tickets-11886066545 | 19:08 |
| * NobodyCam notes to do that toda | 19:08 | |
| devananda | so I can tell the venue how many are coming | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | today | 19:08 |
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| devananda | also, I'd love us to have an agenda | 19:08 |
| romcheg | devananda: What about invitations for those who do not live in the US? | 19:09 |
| devananda | anyone want to coordinate that? | 19:09 |
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| devananda | #info anyone needing a VISA invitation, please email me directly | 19:09 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-ironic-sprint | 19:09 |
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| devananda | romcheg: ^ I'll see waht I can do, but can't promise anything ... also such things often take a long time | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | please put the topics to be discussed in the juno mid-cycle sprint on that etherpad ^ | 19:10 |
| devananda | longer than the ~6 weeks until the sprint | 19:10 |
| romcheg | devananda: Thanks for the info! | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | over the weekend I put up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100063 which Moves check-tripleo-ironic-undercloud-precise from the experimental queue | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | to the check queue for TripleO and Ironic. | 19:10 |
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| linggao | is the mid cycle paid by openstack fundation ? :-) | 19:10 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: please hold off on review discussions until later in the meeting | 19:10 |
| devananda | linggao: no | 19:10 |
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| linggao | (-: | 19:11 |
| devananda | we can talk more about the midcycle a bit later too | 19:11 |
| devananda | that's it for my announcements. jroll, you had something quick? | 19:11 |
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| jroll | for anybody that happens to be in SF for gigaom structure conference (or otherwise) the SF rackspace office is having a structure after party on thursday night. you're all invited - our team (mostly in this office) has really enjoyed working with y'all :) | 19:11 |
| jroll | that's all :) | 19:12 |
| devananda | jroll: awesome! thanks for sharing | 19:12 |
| devananda | jroll: have a link to more info (like dates)? | 19:12 |
| comstud | this thursday at 5pm | 19:12 |
| devananda | oh, this thursday. heh :) | 19:13 |
| devananda | ok, moving on | 19:13 |
| jroll | I should have one by end of day today, but yes, thursday at 5 | 19:13 |
| devananda | #topic release cycle progress reports | 19:13 |
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| devananda | as i mentioned, j1 was tagged | 19:13 |
| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/juno/juno-1 | 19:13 |
| linggao | when will be j2? | 19:14 |
| devananda | 62 bug fixes, 0 blueprints | 19:14 |
| devananda | j2 is targeted for july 24 | 19:14 |
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| devananda | just before the sprint | 19:14 |
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| devananda | we are tracking things that we target to J2 here | 19:15 |
| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-2 | 19:15 |
| devananda | at the moment, we have only had one spec approved | 19:15 |
| devananda | lucas' instance-info spec | 19:15 |
| lucasagomes | yes | 19:15 |
| devananda | i think we need to spend some time this week hammering on specs | 19:15 |
| devananda | which we think we can implement by j2 | 19:15 |
| devananda | so that they're approved ASAP | 19:15 |
| linggao | so how to make sure one blueprint/feature get into j2? | 19:16 |
| jroll | ^ we definitely need more cores looking at specs, I have two and have seen very little action in the reviews | 19:16 |
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| rloo_ | devananda: there is a separate list of folks that can +2 specs, vs reviews, right? | 19:17 |
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| devananda | rloo_: correct | 19:17 |
| jroll | oh? who is on that list? | 19:17 |
| rloo_ | i thought russell was on it but i could be wrong. | 19:17 |
| dtantsur | me | 19:17 |
| lucasagomes | me | 19:17 |
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| jroll | rloo_: russell_h ? | 19:18 |
| devananda | the lists are separate to allow for different types of contribution | 19:18 |
| rloo_ | jroll: be nice to those guys ;) | 19:18 |
| romcheg | rloo_: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/352,members | 19:18 |
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| devananda | IMHO, not everyone reviewing specs needs to be reviewing code, but they do need to understand the project's issues | 19:18 |
| devananda | anyway | 19:18 |
| linggao | so if a spec is landed does that mean it approved for Juno? | 19:18 |
| devananda | linggao: no | 19:18 |
| JayF | Do specs require 1x+2 or 2x+2? | 19:19 |
| linggao | I have some specs there, but not sure when do I supposed to start write code. | 19:19 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, 2x+2 | 19:19 |
| devananda | let me find the link ... | 19:19 |
| devananda | there is a good description of the process we're following in the wiki | 19:19 |
| devananda | also | 19:19 |
| linggao | I saw some patches checked in before the specs got landed. | 19:19 |
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| devananda | i am not infinitely scalable :( | 19:19 |
| jroll | devananda: here's that link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprints#Nova | 19:19 |
| mrda | devananda: not true! :P | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | linggao, yeah, some patches came from old blueprints that were transformed into a spec later (like the management interface one) | 19:20 |
| devananda | jroll: yep, thanks | 19:20 |
| linggao | lucasagomes, also iLO. | 19:20 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 19:20 |
| devananda | linggao: approving a spec means that the proposal is accepted, but the code/feature may still not be targeted | 19:21 |
| rloo_ | devananda: could we add 'ironic' to that Blueprints wiki? | 19:21 |
| linggao | lucasagomes, also the whole disk support. | 19:21 |
| devananda | linggao: that is tracked on launchpad | 19:21 |
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| dtantsur | linggao, they weren't landed, were they? | 19:21 |
| devananda | we still have *A LOT* of features proposed without specs | 19:21 |
| devananda | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic | 19:21 |
| devananda | that's not a call to write specs for all of them | 19:22 |
| linggao | dtantsur, no. I just want to know when is a code time to *start* write code. | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | oh, and I'll have a question what to do with bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1327187 | 19:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327187 in ironic "node extra attribute as capability in host states " [Undecided,Invalid] | 19:22 |
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| devananda | linggao: that depends. what's really a question for reviewers is when do we /approve/ the code | 19:22 |
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| devananda | linggao: which should be after teh spec is approved and the feature is targeted to a milestone | 19:22 |
| rloo_ | linggao: I think you're free to write code whenever, but you'd need to be aware that if the spec isn't approved or the direction/design is changed, your code will also have to correspond to those changes. | 19:23 |
| dtantsur | I understand people start writing some code before BP is targeted, we just should not approve it | 19:23 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo_, +1 | 19:23 |
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| rloo_ | to be honest, given the number of reviews, I won't even look at a review associated with a blueprint unless the blueprint is approved. | 19:23 |
| linggao | rloo, that's my worry | 19:23 |
| devananda | core reviewers should be getting better at landing code that has a spec approved, and blueprint targetred to current milestone | 19:23 |
| devananda | aside from bug fixes | 19:23 |
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| devananda | rloo_: thank you :) | 19:23 |
| mrda | dtantsur: so leave big code changes as WIP until spec approved? Or flag in the review that the spec is awaiting review? | 19:24 |
| devananda | rloo_: you're doing it right :) | 19:24 |
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| devananda | rloo_: feel free to -2 code changes that link to blueprints which are not yet approved | 19:24 |
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| rloo_ | devananda: i guess the question is (and was when this new blueprint process came up), is if the specs process will delay things for the developers. | 19:24 |
| devananda | rloo_: yes, it will | 19:24 |
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| dtantsur | mrda, I suggest cores just never +2 it (maybe just +1) | 19:24 |
| linggao | just do not like to write throw-away code. | 19:24 |
| devananda | rloo_: but it should be a huge help to the core review team | 19:24 |
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| rloo_ | is there a need for a 'blueprint spec' review day? | 19:25 |
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| devananda | rloo_: we do need to review the specs | 19:25 |
| romcheg | rloo_: It's hard to do | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | problem with a spec review day is that we can't really land following patches | 19:25 |
| JayF | I would be very curious as to the review stats for specs vs. code. I just don't see much movement in review for specs. | 19:25 |
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| lucasagomes | I think we need to dedicate a bit more time per day to review it | 19:25 |
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| romcheg | rloo_: Specs require careful reading | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | (will do it) | 19:25 |
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| devananda | so | 19:26 |
| devananda | all of this is really a call to action for folks to review specs | 19:26 |
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| dtantsur | got it :) | 19:26 |
| devananda | I think we need to land some big features this cycle | 19:26 |
| romcheg | +! | 19:26 |
| romcheg | +1 | 19:26 |
| rloo_ | and get ironic graduated? | 19:26 |
| devananda | rloo_: right | 19:26 |
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| devananda | rloo_: but a few of the feature proposals ARE towards taht end | 19:26 |
| devananda | like the async api | 19:27 |
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| devananda | anyway... i'm goign to side track myself soon. | 19:27 |
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| devananda | goign to move on lest we spend the whole meeting talkign about specs | 19:27 |
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| devananda | #info need more people to review specs, particularly for features that we want to land in j2 or j3 | 19:28 |
| devananda | #topic sub team status reports | 19:28 |
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| devananda | Shrews, adam_g: hi! any updaets on the tempest work? | 19:28 |
| adam_g | the new tempest patches are still in review | 19:28 |
| adam_g | biggest news here has been the ironic gate jobs becoming non-voting | 19:29 |
| adam_g | question.. is this what we want? or should we be actively trying to get that change reverted? | 19:29 |
| rloo_ | adam_g: what are adv vs disadvs? | 19:29 |
| adam_g | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037424.html | 19:30 |
| devananda | adam_g: aiui, you're referring to gate-tempest-dsvm-virtual-ironic being non-voting on ironic itself | 19:30 |
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| adam_g | devananda, yes, and on DIB | 19:30 |
| devananda | adam_g: i feel quite strongly that our tempest tests should be voting in our gate | 19:30 |
| Shrews | devananda: turns out adding new ironic tests to tempest is complicated by the fact that only a single bm node is available for the tests. This means parallel testing will not work (that's not done anyway), and we must add code to make sure the bm node is available for the next ironic test. I've added code for the second part (going through testing now). | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, I rely on that test, because that's the only test that actually deploys a vm end to end | 19:30 |
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| adam_g | rloo_, AFAIU, it allows ironic to land patches quicker and if our job ends up with a rate of failure, it does not affect the main gate queue for other projects (which was the case during the gate fire of the last two weeks) | 19:31 |
| adam_g | okay | 19:31 |
| devananda | AIUI, sdague made that change because a) that test was failing often due to network issues, and b) ironic was in the integrated gate | 19:31 |
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| devananda | both of which have been addressed, afaik | 19:31 |
| adam_g | yeah | 19:31 |
| rloo_ | adam_g: so those are pros. cons? | 19:31 |
| adam_g | rloo_, pros, i suppose. cons are we dont get that test coverage as part of the gate :) | 19:32 |
| romcheg | I think we should try to revert that change | 19:32 |
| adam_g | the job was actually made non-voting because some fixes had not synced to all devstack slaves. but we appear to be stable again http://no-carrier.net/~adam/openstack/ironic_gate_status.html | 19:32 |
| romcheg | Since it won't affect the main gate anymore | 19:32 |
| devananda | Shrews: ah, a cleanup between tempest tests? yep, i think we need that | 19:32 |
| dtantsur | +1 for making it voting again | 19:32 |
| devananda | adam_g: are there any cons for reverting that change? | 19:33 |
| adam_g | okay. i have a patch that should address some of the other structual issues identified with the ironic job. hoping we can get it voting again once that merges, tho it may take some time to prove stability once again | 19:33 |
| rloo_ | the test is being run, just not voting? | 19:33 |
| devananda | rloo_: correct | 19:33 |
| rloo_ | is it passing > 90% of the time now? | 19:33 |
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| devananda | rloo_: it votes in our check queue and runs in gate, but doesn't vote in gate | 19:33 |
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| Shrews | devananda: more like a wait for the cleanup to complete | 19:33 |
| adam_g | devananda, not that i can tell, its just a matter of convincing others that we are stable. | 19:33 |
| devananda | adam_g: that link seems to only show stats for check queues | 19:34 |
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| adam_g | devananda, oh, dag. ill fix that after the meeting | 19:34 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: any updates on the tripleo tests? | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | over the weekend I put up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100063 which Moves check-tripleo-ironic-undercloud-precise from the experimental queue to the check queue for TripleO and Ironic. | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:35 |
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| NobodyCam | it will be non voting until it proves it self as working | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | but it should | 19:35 |
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| devananda | sounds good | 19:36 |
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| devananda | thanks! | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:36 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: i think that should remove check-tripleo-ironic-seed now, no? | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | its still a valid check no? | 19:37 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: it's a subset of the undercloud test | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | booting the undercloud already include creating the seed vm and all? | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | if so yeah, sounds good to remove it | 19:37 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I'm not totally sure. please check with lifeless after the meeting on that, but I think that's what he wants | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | if undercloud proves it self as working then I will remove seed when switching it to voting | 19:37 |
| devananda | #topic bugs | 19:38 |
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| NobodyCam | and check with lifeless too | 19:38 |
| devananda | dtantsur: hi! | 19:38 |
| dtantsur | hi! | 19:38 |
| dtantsur | first some numbers about the situation: 2 New bugs; 118 Open bugs; 41 In-progress bugs; 1 Critical bug; 19 High importance bugs | 19:38 |
| devananda | dtantsur: welcome back :) | 19:38 |
| dtantsur | yeah, thanks :) | 19:38 |
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| dtantsur | I'm going to count differences every week, so that we feel, where we're going | 19:39 |
| dtantsur | note that we have 41 in-progress bugs, isn't it too much? <-- open question | 19:39 |
| devananda | dtantsur: thanks! that should be very helpful | 19:39 |
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| devananda | how many of those 41 are actually in progress? | 19:40 |
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| dtantsur | that's the question :) I've cleaned bugs that are _obviously_ not in progress | 19:40 |
| dtantsur | the remaining are up to their owners, I guess | 19:40 |
| rloo_ | in-progress == there's a review associated with it? | 19:41 |
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| dtantsur | rloo_, we're aiming for this | 19:41 |
| devananda | hmm | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | but actually people need some time before review. and this time can grow and grow... | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | we're committed to no more than 7 days before patch arrives | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | (that was 2 weeks ago) | 19:41 |
| dtantsur | I'll be keeping eye on this | 19:41 |
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| mrda | sounds like we need some more reviewing done :) | 19:42 |
| devananda | one thing I'd like to call out is setting proper importance on bugs | 19:42 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Bugs#Importance | 19:42 |
| rloo_ | dtantsur: sorry, i think you mean that in progress == assigned? | 19:42 |
| dtantsur | rloo_, to me it's the same | 19:42 |
| devananda | I think folks (myself sometimes as well) are using priority more as an "how soon do we want this fixed" | 19:42 |
| rloo_ | dtantsur: I don't view it as the same, that's why I wanted clarification ;) | 19:42 |
| devananda | rather than what it means to the rest of openstack -- importance or impact of this bug | 19:43 |
| devananda | there are some low-impact bugs that we may want fixed soon | 19:43 |
| devananda | the way to communicate that via LP is to set the priority "low" but target it to the next milestone | 19:43 |
| dtantsur | for me "in progress" means we have a responsible one who is moving it. assigned means someone is doing something on it, not just sitting :) | 19:43 |
| lifeless | devananda: NobodyCam: the seed job | 19:43 |
| lifeless | yes, for now we can replace it with the undercloud one, which means that ironic in the *seed* is being exercised. | 19:44 |
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| lifeless | we actually want two other things - a) a seed-uc-overcloud job and b) to run tempest against each of the stages | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | lifeless: awesome ty... | 19:44 |
| devananda | dtantsur: let's see if we can get the # of inprogress bugs to actually reflect # of code reviews fixing bugs | 19:44 |
| dtantsur | devananda, ok :) | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | I have 2 more things on agenda... | 19:45 |
| devananda | fwiw, i think it's quite possible we have that many open reviews proposign bug fixes | 19:45 |
| dtantsur | maybe, I didn't research this numbers quite well | 19:45 |
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| dtantsur | next, launchpad can show some guidelines to one reporting bug. I'm trying to write such guidelines and I need your help: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-launchpad-bug-guidelines | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | at least I suggest asking people for logs | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | they're often missing | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | anyone can help me? | 19:46 |
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| romcheg | dtantsur: I will take a look | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | thnx! | 19:46 |
| dtantsur | And one more open question re bugs and specs: what to do with bugs like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1327187 | 19:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1327187 in ironic "node extra attribute as capability in host states " [Undecided,Invalid] | 19:47 |
| dtantsur | that's actually a non-written spec | 19:47 |
| jroll | dtantsur: IMO you did the right thing there | 19:47 |
| devananda | dtantsur: reject the bug, have them file a spec, exactly as you did | 19:47 |
| dtantsur | (I've put it into letter to devananda last week, but afaik the letter didn't get to you, right? :( ) | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | +1 agreed, cause that bug fix might touch many parts of the code | 19:47 |
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| devananda | fwiw, I saw a patch recently that had both closes-bug and implements-bp in the commit message | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | driver code, api for better filtering the capabilities | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | so I'd say it should go to the spec process | 19:48 |
| devananda | dtantsur: hm, i dont think i saw it :( | 19:48 |
| dtantsur | devananda, well, nothing interesting except for this question :) | 19:48 |
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| dtantsur | I also suggest triagers to clearly evaluate, whether some bug requires writing a spec | 19:49 |
| dtantsur | A bit complex case is bugs that are actually requests for specs :) | 19:49 |
| dtantsur | like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1328939 | 19:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328939 in ironic "Setting instance default_ephemeral_device should be more intelligent" [Low,Triaged] | 19:49 |
| jroll | (10 minute bell) | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | ty jroll :) | 19:50 |
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| dtantsur | oh, I take too much time :( Well, this is generally all for me | 19:50 |
| devananda | dtantsur: thanks. a good point to bug triagers | 19:50 |
| devananda | moving on | 19:50 |
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| devananda | #topic IPA subteam | 19:50 |
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| jroll | hi! | 19:50 |
| devananda | jroll, russell_h: hi! | 19:50 |
| jroll | I'll be quick | 19:50 |
| jroll | I've updated our todo list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:51 |
| jroll | there's some new specs linked in there | 19:51 |
| jroll | I've outlined the current patch chain | 19:51 |
| jroll | and what needs to be split from 84795 | 19:51 |
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| devananda | jroll: fantastic | 19:51 |
| jroll | please please please review our specs and the patches we're depending on :) | 19:51 |
| dtantsur | jroll, how are chances to get everything done in Juno? | 19:52 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: that's my primary goal in life right now :) | 19:52 |
| jroll | (that might be exaggerating a bit :P ) | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | jroll, great! Anything I can help in addition to reviews? | 19:52 |
| jroll | nope! reviews are where we're most limited | 19:52 |
| devananda | my rough thoughts as of right now ... | 19:52 |
| dtantsur | we're very interested in auto-discovery here | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | for the instance_info stuff we are still blocked by a tempest test | 19:52 |
| JayF | dtantsur: as are we :) | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | I see the patch as part of the IPA chain there | 19:52 |
| devananda | getting more eyes on your specs will be really helpful over the next month | 19:53 |
| devananda | and landing the common dependencies | 19:53 |
| devananda | like instance info | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95789/ | 19:53 |
| jroll | dtantsur: we should talk more about what that actually means, but our main goal right now is for feature parity with the pxe driver | 19:53 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: after that lands, we'll be working on better features :) (like the things listed to be split from 84795) | 19:53 |
| devananda | I think we should be able to easily achieve that refactoring and landing common code before the midcycle | 19:53 |
| jroll | ^ | 19:54 |
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| jroll | I fully agree | 19:54 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yeah, that's obvious :) I wonder if we can get a bit further during Juno and get nodes discovery | 19:54 |
| devananda | human time would be the only reason we dont land the spec by then. from what i've sen it's coming along really well (need to review this week again) | 19:54 |
| devananda | jroll: do you think you guys will have enough done by the midcycle that others can insatll and test locally? | 19:54 |
| devananda | eg, some docs, devstack integration, etc | 19:55 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I hope that everything in that etherpad will be done for juno, plus decom | 19:55 |
| jroll | devananda: I hope so | 19:55 |
| devananda | jroll: ok. i think that will have an impact on what we can do for IPA at the midcycle | 19:55 |
| jroll | devananda: dwalleck_ has been working on devstack/tempest integration lately, that's a large part of that work | 19:55 |
| jroll | devananda: and then docs | 19:55 |
| jroll | I expect it to be doable | 19:55 |
| devananda | if others can play with it easily (myself included) by then, I think we'll have a good shot at landing in j3 | 19:56 |
| dtantsur | jroll, btw are you planning getting rid of docker? | 19:56 |
| jroll | devananda: indeed | 19:56 |
| dtantsur | (was discussed some time ago, but I forgot) | 19:56 |
| jroll | dtantsur: we no longer run in docker, it's only a build step | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | as soon as it lands, are we moving to have IPA as the default deploy mechanism? | 19:56 |
| devananda | jroll: ^^ glad to hear that :) | 19:56 |
| jroll | dtantsur: patches for alternate build systems (DIB) welcome :) | 19:56 |
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| JayF | dtantsur: I think that at Rackspace, our prefered way of running it will continue to be inside a container under CoreOS. I am willing to help and review patches to add DIB elements | 19:56 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: let's talka bout that post-meeting | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ack | 19:57 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: my hope is juno or K1 :) | 19:57 |
| devananda | 3 minute bell, moving on | 19:57 |
| dtantsur | jroll, JayF, I see :) | 19:57 |
| romcheg | 3 minutes | 19:57 |
| devananda | #topic Oslo | 19:57 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, sure | 19:57 |
| devananda | GheRivero: any news here? | 19:57 |
| GheRivero | oslo.db finally has a alpha release! The oslo.db review has been updated but is not functional yet (openstack pypi mirror not updated yet) | 19:57 |
| GheRivero | But what it's really important to us are the alembic/opportunistic migrations tests. | 19:57 |
| GheRivero | There are a couple of reviews (99965 and 93424) to address that. | 19:57 |
| GheRivero | Once they land, there will be another oslo.db release (I hope), so we can fully start testing ironic within oslo.db (but there is no rush in that now) | 19:57 |
| GheRivero | That's all | 19:57 |
| GheRivero | :) | 19:57 |
| devananda | thanks!! | 19:57 |
| devananda | #topic nova db migration | 19:57 |
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| devananda | romcheg: hi! | 19:57 |
| romcheg | Hi! | 19:57 |
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| devananda | romcheg: any news? | 19:58 |
| romcheg | So I have installed nova and Ironic on my lab and tested what changed in both DBs | 19:58 |
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| romcheg | I managed to update the migration scripts and will post that tomorrow | 19:58 |
| romcheg | So I have two questions and will try to be quick | 19:59 |
| romcheg | Does this feature require a spec? | 19:59 |
| devananda | it's covered by my spec in nova | 19:59 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95025/ | 19:59 |
| romcheg | Ah, great | 19:59 |
| romcheg | Is there anyone who wants to volunteer on making the research of how to test these migrations? | 20:00 |
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| romcheg | That is another big topic | 20:00 |
| devananda | yea, will require grenade tests | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | beep (time bell) | 20:00 |
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| devananda | sdague had volunteered at the summit to give some guidance, burt we'll need someone to work on that | 20:00 |
| devananda | #info need a volunteer to help with grenade testing of nova-bm -> ironic db migration code | 20:01 |
| devananda | thanks all! we're out of time | 20:01 |
| jroll | perhaps we should find a nova-baremetal user for that :P | 20:01 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 20:01 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 16 20:01:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-06-16-19.02.html | 20:01 |
| jroll | thanks devananda and NobodyCam :) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-06-16-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-06-16-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
| romcheg | jroll: He he :) | 20:01 |
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| romcheg | Thank you guys! | 20:01 |
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| sarob | Anyone here for the milk team meeting? | 20:03 |
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| sarob | Without any of the milk team leads I'll postpone the team meeting | 20:06 |
| ametts | ok | 20:06 |
| sarob | Ametts sorry | 20:06 |
| ametts | No worries. :) | 20:06 |
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| nati_ueno_i | Hi | 20:57 |
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| mestery | Hi | 20:58 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 20:59 |
| emagana | hi there! | 20:59 |
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| rkukura | hi | 20:59 |
| sweston | greetings | 20:59 |
| armax | yello | 20:59 |
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| nati_ueno_i | Jinni chows | 20:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:00 |
| ihrachyshka | hey | 21:00 |
| amotoki_ | hi | 21:00 |
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| banix | hi | 21:00 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 21:00 |
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| markmcclain1 | o/ | 21:01 |
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| yamamoto | morning | 21:01 |
| mestery | Let's get started! | 21:01 |
| mestery | #starmeeting networking | 21:01 |
| kevinbenton | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 16 21:01:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:01 |
| mestery | Juno1 was released last week | 21:02 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-1 | 21:02 |
| mestery | Great work by all involved! | 21:02 |
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| mestery | I have started grooming the Juno-2 milestone as well now | 21:03 |
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| mestery | I also wanted to mention the upcoming mid cycle sprint for nova-network parity | 21:03 |
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| mestery | Any other announcements for the team? | 21:03 |
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| mestery | #link markmcclain1 don't forget link to tarball: http://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/neutron-2014.2.b1.tar.gz | 21:04 |
| mestery | Thanks for reminding me markmcclain1 :) | 21:04 |
| markmcclain1 | mestery: you're welcome | 21:05 |
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| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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| mestery | enikanorov has listed some bugs we should be aware of | 21:05 |
| mestery | I encourage people to view the agenda | 21:05 |
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| mestery | It looks like arosen1 has also linked nova bugs we should be reviewing | 21:06 |
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| ihrachyshka | speaking of locks, we in Red Hat also got another Lock wait timeout bug for floatingips a day ago, I was going to investigate it | 21:07 |
| ihrachyshka | looks like some general issue (I'll report my specific failure upstream tomorrow) | 21:07 |
| mestery | Thanks ihrachyshka | 21:07 |
| mestery | Any other bugs the team should be aware of this week? | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | I have a suspect we already have bugs for all three reported by enikanorov. I think there is also an oustanding patch for one of the three | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | beyond that - no other bug we should be aware of on my side. | 21:09 |
| mestery | Thanks salv-orlando | 21:09 |
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| enikanorov | salv-orlando: hmm, i've looked through existing bugs, they were alittle bit different | 21:09 |
| enikanorov | (update operation vs create, or such differences) | 21:09 |
| enikanorov | but i may be wrong | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | I remember exactly those three instances | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | let’s take that offline | 21:10 |
| enikanorov | sure. also feel free to mark as duplicate | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | I think you want to sleep after the meeting as it’s 1AM foryou I guess | 21:10 |
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| enikanorov | honestly i want to sleep right now :) | 21:10 |
| mestery | #topic Team Discussion Items | 21:10 |
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| mestery | Is prad here? | 21:10 |
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| mestery | prad wanted to discuss a patch focused an helping ceilometer | 21:11 |
| mestery | But if he's not here we will move on | 21:11 |
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| mestery | #topic Nova Parity | 21:12 |
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| markmcclain1 | hi | 21:12 |
| mestery | Hi | 21:12 |
| markmcclain1 | so obondarev has been busy | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain1 | and posted a WIP for the nova extension | 21:13 |
| mestery | Nice! | 21:13 |
| markmcclain1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100265 | 21:13 |
| mestery | I encourage neutron devs to review that | 21:14 |
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| markmcclain1 | the WIP is early, so he'll be adding more features to it | 21:14 |
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| mestery | Any other updates here markmcclain1? | 21:15 |
| markmcclain1 | thats all for this week | 21:15 |
| mestery | Thanks! | 21:15 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:15 |
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| mestery | emagana: hi! | 21:15 |
| emagana | mestery: hi there! | 21:16 |
| emagana | no updates from the docs side | 21:16 |
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| mestery | Good to hear things moving smoothly there emagana. :) | 21:16 |
| emagana | But... | 21:16 |
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| emagana | the same recommendation that last week, we need to be sure that we have either bugs or bps filed against neutron | 21:16 |
| emagana | mestery: I would like to see all the new staff with "DocImpact" added on the commit message | 21:17 |
| mestery | Good reminder emagana. | 21:17 |
| emagana | besides that, all major bugs are assigned | 21:17 |
| mestery | Yes, people should be cognizant of that. | 21:18 |
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| mestery | Thanks! | 21:18 |
| amotoki_ | emagana: do what kind of changes need DocImpact flag? | 21:18 |
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| emagana | amotoki_: anything that changes the way we use/deploy/configure neutron staff | 21:18 |
| emagana | amotoki_: and new features like DVR for instance | 21:19 |
| amotoki_ | in my understanding the configuration guide is built automatically, so i don't think DocImpact is necessary for patches which only affects the configuration guide. | 21:19 |
| emagana | amotoki_: It would not affect the tag anyway, I would prefer to tag as invalid a bug that missing a change | 21:20 |
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| amotoki_ | emagana: sounds good. we need to take care of DocImpact flag more. | 21:21 |
| emagana | mestery: that's all | 21:21 |
| mestery | Thanks emagana | 21:21 |
| yamamoto | is this uptodate? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/DocImpact | 21:21 |
| mestery | emagan: ^^^ | 21:21 |
| mestery | emagana: ^^^ | 21:22 |
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| emagana | yamamoto: not 100% sure | 21:22 |
| markmcclain1 | yamahata: last edit was the 11th, so I'm guessing yes | 21:22 |
| emagana | let me bring that with the docs team | 21:22 |
| markmcclain1 | yamamoto: ^^^ | 21:22 |
| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:23 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: hi! | 21:23 |
| mlavalle | hi! | 21:23 |
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| mlavalle | we added the 27th api test to the tempest repo this week, out of the 28 that we targeted in January | 21:23 |
| mestery | Nice! | 21:24 |
| mlavalle | the one remaining to merge is actually mine….. I am having somo tough times with Jenkins, but we will get there | 21:24 |
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| mlavalle | I've been wrting a rst file that will be added to the tempest repo, with the tutorial to develop scenario tests for Neutron | 21:25 |
| nati_ueno_i | Awesome | 21:25 |
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| mestery | that will be very helpful mlavalle! | 21:25 |
| mlavalle | it will become part of the tempest docs | 21:25 |
| mlavalle | it's taking a little longer than expected because I am targeting new developers, so I walk them through the classes and all the details | 21:26 |
| mlavalle | I have been talking to the LBaaS guys at Rackspace to make sure we have a new api document to start implementing tests | 21:27 |
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| mlavalle | and finally I had a nice conversation with sc68cal a while ago. he is developing some tests for ipv4 and ipv6 on proviuder networks | 21:27 |
| mestery | Awesome! I expect we can talk more on that in person this week too. | 21:27 |
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| mlavalle | that's all I have | 21:28 |
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| mestery | Thanks! | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | mestery: I'll see you tomorrow here | 21:28 |
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| mestery | #topic Advanced Services | 21:29 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: hi | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are still waiting of approval of blueprint specs | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the most notable among them is enikanorov’s flavors bp | 21:29 |
| mestery | Yes. | 21:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90070 | 21:30 |
| mestery | I was looking at that one earlier today | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: great, thanks | 21:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | our hope is that we have can move forward on this by the end of this week | 21:30 |
| mestery | I encourage people to review the flavor BP ^^^ | 21:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i propose that we have a decisive conversation on this during this week’s adv services’ IRC on wednesday | 21:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least a couple of other bp specs (serivice insertion and traffic steering) are also pretty ripe | 21:31 |
| mestery | Sounds good I will do my best to make that meeting | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | fyi - #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/AdvancedServices/JunoPlan | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: nice, i know you will be in the LBaas sprint as well | 21:32 |
| mestery | Yes :) | 21:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats it for this, unless there are questions for the adv services’ team | 21:32 |
| * mestery waits for a bit for questions | 21:33 | |
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| mestery | #topic IPV6 | 21:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: i think cue for you to proceed :-) | 21:33 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: hi! | 21:33 |
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| mestery | #topic ML2 | 21:35 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Jow goes NP prioritization? | 21:35 |
| rkukura | not much to report yet | 21:35 |
| mestery | How | 21:35 |
| mestery | BP | 21:35 |
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| rkukura | we’re still working on prioritizing BPs and reviewing specs | 21:35 |
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| Sukhdev | check out https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews | 21:35 |
| sc68cal | sorry, was afk for a moment and missed my queue | 21:36 |
| sc68cal | *cue | 21:36 |
| mestery | sc68cal: well come cback to you | 21:36 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Thanks for prioritizing those ML2 BPs | 21:36 |
| mestery | It helps | 21:36 |
| rkukura | right, we are using this wiki to track reviews within the subteam prior to recruiting core reviewers | 21:37 |
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| mestery | Code and spec reviews? | 21:37 |
| rkukura | that’s all I have - Sukhdev, anything else? | 21:37 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: no, we are good | 21:37 |
| rkukura | mestery: I think that is the plan | 21:38 |
| mestery | Thanks ML2 folks! | 21:38 |
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| mestery | #topic IPv6 | 21:38 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: hi! | 21:38 |
| sc68cal | hello | 21:38 |
| sc68cal | So there's a couple big items on the agenda that I listed today | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | we had a meeting today with mestery and markmcclain1 regarding the API, as well as BPs targeted for j-2 | 21:39 |
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| mestery | Yes that was a helpful meeting | 21:39 |
| sc68cal | I still have some concerns about the radvd and dnsmasq stuff, but it is primarily around getting somthing done in the juno timeframe | 21:40 |
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| sc68cal | I think at this point I'll let people digest what I've put on the wiki page | 21:40 |
| mestery | That may warrant another meeting :) | 21:40 |
| sc68cal | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#IPv6_.28sc68cal.29 | 21:41 |
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| sc68cal | hopefully we can get a spec created quikcly for the radvd change | 21:41 |
| mestery | Thanks sc68cal! | 21:41 |
| sc68cal | thx | 21:41 |
| mestery | Yes | 21:41 |
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| mestery | #topic Group Policy | 21:42 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: hi again! | 21:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: indeed, hi again | 21:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are getting some good coverage with the intial set of patches | 21:42 |
| mestery | I see new patches pushed which is great! | 21:42 |
| mestery | Yes | 21:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i meant review coverage | 21:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | more patches are on the way | 21:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you want to chime in as well? | 21:43 |
| rkukura | OK | 21:43 |
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| rkukura | The 2nd series of GP patches maps the initial set of GP resources to neutron resources | 21:43 |
| rkukura | These should be pushed for review over the next few days | 21:44 |
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| mestery | Thanks rkukura | 21:44 |
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| mestery | Anything else on GBP for the team? | 21:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: we also good discussions on UT and testing | 21:45 |
| mestery | Very good ! | 21:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: i believe we have consensus on moving forward based on everyone’s input | 21:46 |
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| mestery | Great! | 21:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | fy- please join weekly meetings - #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 21:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: that shuold be it for this week, thanks for giving us the time here | 21:47 |
| yamamoto | GBP == GP ? | 21:47 |
| mestery | Thanks SumitNaiksatam and team! | 21:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamahata: yes | 21:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yamamoto: yes | 21:47 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 21:48 |
| mestery | #topic FWaaS | 21:48 |
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| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: we meet again :) | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: ha :-) | 21:48 |
| mestery | ;) | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | GBP=Great British Pound | 21:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have a high priority bug whose review is curently blocked: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90575/ | 21:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we also have a blueprint spec in review for “service objects”: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133 | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the expectation is that service objects will be applicable beyond just FWaaS | 21:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please review if you get a chance | 21:50 |
| mestery | Yes I encourage folks to review that | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we would like to make progress with the high priority bug noted about | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *above | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats it from the FWaaS team | 21:50 |
| markmcclain1 | SumitNaiksatam: I'll take another look at the bug | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: thanks much! | 21:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain1: i also need to revisit it :-) | 21:51 |
| mestery | Thanks! | 21:51 |
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| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:51 |
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| mestery | anteaya: here? | 21:51 |
| mestery | Your item is up now. | 21:51 |
| anteaya | yes | 21:51 |
| mestery | Ok | 21:51 |
| anteaya | what did I have | 21:52 |
| mestery | DriverLog and unreliable info | 21:52 |
| anteaya | oh yeah | 21:52 |
| anteaya | driverlog is unrelable | 21:52 |
| mestery | Did we cover that earlier today at 3rd party meeting? | 21:52 |
| anteaya | don't use it | 21:52 |
| anteaya | yes | 21:52 |
| mestery | :) | 21:52 |
| mestery | Ok | 21:52 |
| anteaya | and last week too I thought | 21:52 |
| mestery | I encourage folks to read the logs | 21:52 |
| mestery | Ok | 21:52 |
| anteaya | read the logs | 21:52 |
| mestery | No worries | 21:52 |
| anteaya | sorry | 21:53 |
| mestery | Any other items from folks? | 21:53 |
| amotoki_ | does anyone know the status of multi-node testing/devstack? | 21:53 |
| mestery | In the gate? | 21:53 |
| anteaya | well it was discussed last release | 21:53 |
| mestery | It's not there yet | 21:53 |
| anteaya | some people were working on it with sdague | 21:53 |
| anteaya | lately crickets as far as I know | 21:53 |
| amotoki_ | i think we need to move forward it to support DVR or some other stuff. | 21:54 |
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| anteaya | amotoki_: infra is good with that | 21:54 |
| mestery | Agreed amotoki_ | 21:54 |
| anteaya | amotoki_: put an item on tomorrow's infra agenda | 21:54 |
| mestery | I will sync with carl_baldwin when he's back | 21:54 |
| mestery | And figure that out with infra as well | 21:54 |
| anteaya | I will dig through logs to see what was discussed last release | 21:54 |
| amotoki_ | thanks | 21:55 |
| anteaya | np | 21:55 |
| mestery | If there is nothing else well close early today. | 21:55 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone! | 21:55 |
| marun | I think we need multi-node nova network testing | 21:55 |
| ihrachyshka | ehm... I also encourage people to check remaining oslo-messaging patches at: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/oslo-messaging,n,z Some of those patches are already in the tree or in gate now, but still lots of them (and the most important) waiting in the queue for review. So please criticise! :) | 21:55 |
| marun | and then we can pass those tests with dvr | 21:55 |
| marun | we shouldn't focus testing only dvr | 21:55 |
| anteaya | marun: infra wants multi-node for any testing | 21:56 |
| mestery | Multi ode | 21:56 |
| anteaya | not just dvr of flavour of the month | 21:56 |
| marun | anteaya: testing -> we need tests to actually take advantage of that | 21:56 |
| anteaya | marun: agreed | 21:56 |
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| marun | anteaya: violent agreement ;) | 21:56 |
| anteaya | I'm all done with violence | 21:57 |
| anteaya | weak is the best I can muster today | 21:57 |
| * mestery loves it when there is agreement | 21:57 | |
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| anteaya | maybe tomorrow | 21:57 |
| mestery | Ok thanks folks, see you all in channel and next week! | 21:57 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 16 21:57:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| pcm_ | bye | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-16-21.01.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-16-21.01.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-06-16-21.01.log.html | 21:57 |
| rkukura | bye | 21:57 |
| banix | bye | 21:57 |
| yamamoto | bye | 21:57 |
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| armax | ciao | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuuu | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | aloha! | 21:58 |
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| amotoki_ | thanks all | 21:58 |
| aaronorosen | later! | 21:58 |
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