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| sc68cal | Hello all | 13:57 |
| aveiga | o/ | 13:57 |
| SridharG | Hi sc68cal | 13:58 |
| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 14:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ipv6)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:00 |
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| xuhanp | hi | 14:01 |
| baoli | hi | 14:01 |
| SridharG | hello all | 14:01 |
| sc68cal | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-IPv6-Subteam#Agenda_for_April_15th today's agenda | 14:01 |
| aveiga | hello | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | Sorry for the late e-mail announcing the agenda - but in the future if you know there is a topic you want to discuss - feel free to create the heading line in the wiki | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | #topic blueprints | 14:03 |
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| sc68cal | do we have any new blueprints to discuss? | 14:04 |
| baoli | sc68cal, as I eluded last time, I'm setting up ipv6-only management and data network | 14:04 |
| sc68cal | If not - we'll continue on | 14:04 |
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| baoli | so I may need a blueprint for that | 14:05 |
| sc68cal | baoli: OK - please do document it as you progress - either on the openstack wiki or the e-mail list? | 14:05 |
| aveiga | baoli: do you want to do that as a BP or a bug set? | 14:05 |
| aveiga | you might get more traction in reviews if it's a patch to a bug | 14:05 |
| sc68cal | I know there is a bug in Nova that is lurking in the background for when you launch an instance with no ipv4 address | 14:05 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, sure. I'm still experementing | 14:05 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, I added IPv6 snooping to the RA guard blueprint. I saw some similar work going on in IPv4 side. | 14:06 |
| xuhanp | and we may want to leverage Nachi's vif_security port attribute | 14:06 |
| sc68cal | xuhanp: perfect. By the way tested your sec-group patch in our lab, for the subnet gateway | 14:06 |
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| sc68cal | and works perfectly | 14:06 |
| baoli | Hopefully, I can get something ready for a proposal this week if a bp is needed. | 14:07 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, that's great! thanks for the information | 14:07 |
| sc68cal | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/ Neutron blueprints git repo | 14:07 |
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| sc68cal | I think there is a github mirror too | 14:07 |
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| sc68cal | any other blueprints to discuss? | 14:08 |
| sc68cal | I will probably be adding blueprints in the next few weeks and submitting to gerrit | 14:08 |
| sc68cal | for work that I've been doing, to get the party started ;) | 14:09 |
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| xuhanp | sc68cal, should we move the existing BP to the gerrit now? | 14:09 |
| aveiga | has it opened? | 14:09 |
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| sc68cal | is the BP for work that has been completed or is in progress? | 14:10 |
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| xuhanp | in progress or not started | 14:10 |
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| sc68cal | I think it's worth considering - but I think we're probably still ahead of everyone else in considering. I'm just an enthusiastic early adopter | 14:11 |
| sc68cal | so use your own judgement for now | 14:11 |
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| sc68cal | but don't forget - if you get a bp accepted (merged) you get ATC | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | and stackalytics cred ;) | 14:12 |
| xuhanp | LOL. I only saw one submitted: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z | 14:12 |
| sc68cal | ah, so yes looks like they're gearing up | 14:13 |
| * sc68cal just added a +1 ;) | 14:13 | |
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| Shixiong | what is ATC? :D | 14:15 |
| Shixiong | Sorry for my ignorance | 14:15 |
| sc68cal | active technical contributor | 14:15 |
| sc68cal | means you get free tickets to the summits | 14:15 |
| aveiga | more importantly it meas the community recognizes you as actively participating in a techical fashion | 14:16 |
| zigo | Hi there, sorry, just finished another meeting. | 14:16 |
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| Shixiong | Oh, I see | 14:16 |
| sc68cal | zigo: welcome | 14:17 |
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| Shixiong | speaking of summit, I will drive down to ATL in May. Anybody here goes there too? Maybe we can have a real party? | 14:17 |
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| sc68cal | aveiga and I are presenting at the summit | 14:17 |
| zigo | Shixiong: I hope to be there yes. | 14:17 |
| Shixiong | It is good to have some face time | 14:17 |
| baoli | I will be there | 14:17 |
| zigo | (look for the one guy wearing Debian cloths, and it will probably be me...:P) | 14:18 |
| Shixiong | sc68cal and aveiga, you two have a speaking session there, right? | 14:18 |
| xuhanp | Unfortunately I cannot join :-( | 14:18 |
| sc68cal | I also have registered design summit time too | 14:18 |
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| sc68cal | I have planned to be very available at the summit to do in-person chats | 14:18 |
| zigo | sc68cal: A design summit time for IPv6 discussions? Awesome! | 14:18 |
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| aveiga | #link http://openstacksummitmay2014atlanta.sched.org/event/71e17f7cebeb80498ddf074e521de981#.U00_8nWAY5I IPv6 in OpenStack Talk | 14:19 |
| * aveiga ends shameless plug | 14:19 | |
| sc68cal | :) | 14:20 |
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| sc68cal | #topic code reviews | 14:20 |
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| sc68cal | zigo had an e-mail which collected the majority of in-flight patches | 14:21 |
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| zigo | sc68cal: Do you think you could work with SridharG to prepare a patch set? | 14:21 |
| zigo | I'm ok to add such a patch set to the Debian Icehouse release. | 14:21 |
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| sc68cal | zigo: I have a patchset that works for icehouse, if you are using an upstream router that does RAs | 14:22 |
| sc68cal | documentation will be forthcoming | 14:22 |
| zigo | Though I wont be available just right after the 18th (day of the release). | 14:22 |
| zigo | sc68cal: Where can this be downloaded? | 14:22 |
| sc68cal | we will publish it on the Comcast fork of Neutron on github | 14:22 |
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| SridharG | sc68cal: I'm working on the patch set for Zigo. Can you share your current patch set for upstream router? | 14:22 |
| sc68cal | sorry - was using the royal "we" - I mean I | 14:23 |
| zigo | sc68cal: I would like to have a *patch set*, not just a github URL to clone from. | 14:23 |
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| sc68cal | zigo: I understand. Github has a way to create patch sets from URLs - so my plan was to do a compare URL and tack on a .patch to it | 14:23 |
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| zigo | So that I can keep each individual patch within debian/patches, with the Debian DEP3 patch header containing the Origin: upstream, http://review.openstack.org/<number> fields, so that I can *track* patches and eventually update them. | 14:23 |
| sc68cal | zigo: | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | ok | 14:24 |
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| sc68cal | then keep an eye on this one | 14:24 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64578/ | 14:24 |
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| aveiga | I think it might be good to point out that such a patchset wouldn't be officially supported as OpenStack hasn't accepted the majority of these patches as valid yet | 14:25 |
| sc68cal | but this stuff is highly experimental at this point | 14:25 |
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| sc68cal | +1 to what aveiga says | 14:25 |
| sc68cal | so I'm not sure if you want to fold this into the debian package of openstack | 14:25 |
| zigo | sc68cal: Frankly, I wont have time to work on the patchset myself, but it'd be great if you guys could work it out with SridharG. | 14:25 |
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| zigo | I agree. | 14:25 |
| zigo | But what should be done is make sure I get backports of *features* which will be there for Juno. | 14:26 |
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| zigo | So that, from a user point of view, we have continuity. | 14:26 |
| sc68cal | zigo: OK. Can either you or SridharG or Sylvian (sp?) help develop? | 14:26 |
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| sc68cal | we have a lot of work that needs to be done for Juno and we can always use more devs | 14:27 |
| zigo | I do maintain all of OpenStack packages in Debian, so I don't have time to do actual development, I just do some bug fixes here and there, and don't have time for more. | 14:27 |
| zigo | SridharG and Sylvain can, yes. | 14:27 |
| zigo | SridharG: Can you confirm? | 14:27 |
| SridharG | sc68cal: I'm in for any IPV6 development as Zigo mentioned. | 14:27 |
| sc68cal | perfect. I hope that we can also get Sylvain on board as well | 14:28 |
| sc68cal | I think the big thing we need to do is help Shixiong break up his patch into smaller pieces | 14:28 |
| sc68cal | We have a big problem with this line | 14:29 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64578/6/neutron/agent/linux/dhcp.py | 14:29 |
| sc68cal | Line 340 | 14:29 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, I can also help with the breakdown. | 14:29 |
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| sc68cal | That's where we're going to have merge conflicts - so I was hoping to break that chunk out so that people could just add the switches for the v6 attributes | 14:29 |
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| SridharG | ok, I can also look into the patch. | 14:30 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70649/ Shixiong's patch | 14:31 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, this sounds like a good plan | 14:31 |
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| SridharG | sc68cal: I have few questions reg' IPV6, will use the Open Discussion time for the questions. | 14:31 |
| sc68cal | SridharG: thanks | 14:32 |
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| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 14:32 |
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| sc68cal | any bugs to discuss? | 14:33 |
| xuhanp | sc68cal, I've opened a small bug for ipv6 mode validation and added you to the review list. | 14:33 |
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| xuhanp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87435/ | 14:33 |
| SridharG | xuhanp: which bug? | 14:33 |
| SridharG | xuhanp: ok | 14:34 |
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| xuhanp | right now the ipv6 mode can still be specified when ip version is 4 | 14:34 |
| aveiga | xuhanp: mind if I follow this as well? I can provide some insight here | 14:34 |
| xuhanp | aveiga, I can add you to the review. thanks! | 14:34 |
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| SridharG | Recently there was patch to hide the ipv6 attributes which got merged. | 14:36 |
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| aveiga | baoli: have you run into any specific bits of the v6-only management layer that aren't working? | 14:36 |
| SridharG | does it mean that after code opens for Juno, it would be reverted back? | 14:36 |
| aveiga | I was wondering if it would be good to tag them as bugs | 14:36 |
| aveiga | SridharG: it's there because the attrs exists but don't have backing | 14:37 |
| aveiga | it will be reverte for Juno once we provide the functionality | 14:37 |
| baoli | aveiga, I didn't try neutron meta-data which most likely not working | 14:37 |
| aveiga | ok | 14:37 |
| SridharG | aveiga: aah ok. Thanks. | 14:37 |
| aveiga | I think it might be a good idea to mark them as bugs. Maybe others can pick up some of the fixes if they're against other projects | 14:37 |
| aveiga | also the code has a better chance to merge as a bugfix | 14:38 |
| baoli | aveiga, I used devstack, so some changes are made there to make the configuration right | 14:38 |
| aveiga | ah | 14:38 |
| aveiga | I'd be willing to give this a shot in a prod-like lab | 14:38 |
| aveiga | if you had specifics in that config, can you publish them? | 14:38 |
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| sc68cal | +1 - please do pubilish them | 14:38 |
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| baoli | aveiga, I was about to mention that I'm going to push the changes in devstack as a WIP patch for now. hrzbrig is asking for it from IRC | 14:39 |
| sc68cal | baoli: awesome - I'll +1 it :) | 14:40 |
| aveiga | great! | 14:40 |
| baoli | sc68cal, aveiga, thanks | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | I have a branch of DevStack that we use for the lab | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | https://github.com/sc68cal/devstack/compare/upstream_slaac | 14:40 |
| sc68cal | need to update it to pass in the lla gateway - thanks to xuhanp ;) | 14:41 |
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| baoli | sc68cal, will take a look | 14:42 |
| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 14:42 |
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| SridharG | May i know what is the current status of FWaaS w.r.t IPV6? | 14:43 |
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| sc68cal | excellent question - to which I have no idea | 14:43 |
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| sc68cal | I know that security groups for v6 works fine - so hopefully the same thing for fwaas | 14:44 |
| aveiga | I don't know if they've really looked at it yet | 14:44 |
| aveiga | but if they take the same inputs from neutron like port, and host address, it should be ok | 14:44 |
| aveiga | we pass the addr as a string in json | 14:44 |
| aveiga | and we are properly building the address at this point | 14:45 |
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| SridharG | aveiga: true. Security Groups for V6 looks good. | 14:45 |
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| SridharG | I have a question regarding Floating IP addresses. Since we will not be doing any NAT for IPV6 addresses and the GUA generated by clients (via SLAAC/DHCPV6) can be directly used by the clients as Public IPs, is floating ip address support required for IPV6 addresses? | 14:46 |
| aveiga | we currently don't support it | 14:46 |
| aveiga | we're mulling over methods to do so | 14:46 |
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| sc68cal | I think it might be worth discussing on the mailing list | 14:46 |
| aveiga | there might still be a need for a statically-reserved address space for some systems, so we need to get there | 14:46 |
| aveiga | but at this point we're trying to get basic functionality in first | 14:46 |
| SridharG | aveiga: May be for LBaaS kind of features we might need Floating IPs. Does it make sense over there? | 14:47 |
| sc68cal | #info IPv6 - floating-ip like functionality | 14:48 |
| aveiga | let's take it to the ML | 14:49 |
| aveiga | there's a lot of different ways to pull it off | 14:49 |
| SridharG | sure. | 14:49 |
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| SridharG | one more question :-) | 14:52 |
| SridharG | What is currently possible with OpenStack for IPV6? | 14:52 |
| sc68cal | that's a big question - could you be more specific? | 14:53 |
| SridharG | I could see that we can bring up VMs using Provider Networks with IPV6 - this works. | 14:53 |
| aveiga | that's where it ends | 14:53 |
| SridharG | what are the other main features we can say that they will be supported in IceHouse | 14:53 |
| aveiga | we have no way to issue an RA right now | 14:53 |
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| aveiga | but SGs work | 14:53 |
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| SridharG | yeah I agree SG works. | 14:54 |
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| aveiga | I'm fairly certain config-drive is working with v6 | 14:54 |
| aveiga | but the actual list of official support right now is nil | 14:54 |
| SridharG | FWaaS VPNaaS LBaaS are something to be looked into closely. | 14:55 |
| aveiga | we need to finish the basics first | 14:55 |
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| aveiga | and let's not make the perfect the enemey of the good | 14:55 |
| SridharG | aveiga: true. I was just listing areas which can trigger some blueprints in IPV6. | 14:56 |
| aveiga | absolutely | 14:56 |
| aveiga | we'll need to get them in as well | 14:56 |
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| sc68cal | Alright everyone, I'll give everyone back two minutes | 14:58 |
| sc68cal | see everyone on the mailing list and next week | 14:58 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 14:58:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-15-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-15-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-04-15-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| bauzas | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 15:00:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| bauzas | woah, 15:00:00 | 15:00 |
| bauzas | hi all | 15:00 |
| mspreitz | hi | 15:00 |
| bauzas | n0ano is not able to attend this meeting, handovering it | 15:00 |
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| bauzas | let's wait a few 5 mins to get people in | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | who's here to talk about Nova scheduler? | 15:03 |
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| mspreitz | moi | 15:04 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: :) | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | seems like the room will be crowdy | 15:04 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:04 |
| bauzas | ok, starting then | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | #topic Follow-up on previous actions | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Follow-up on previous actions (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:05 | |
| bauzas | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-08-15.01.html | 15:05 |
| bauzas | there were 3 actions | 15:05 |
| bauzas | I had no news from n0ano | 15:05 |
| * johnthetubaguy is lurking | 15:05 | |
| bauzas | will chase with him | 15:05 |
| bauzas | about creating an etherpad for ATL sessions | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | #action bauzas to discuss with n0ano to see if etherpad about ATL sessions on Sched is already created | 15:06 |
| bauzas | on my side, I had 2 actions | 15:06 |
| bauzas | the last one (chairing the meeting) is currently running :) | 15:07 |
| bauzas | about creating a top wiki page for Gantt | 15:07 |
| bauzas | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt | 15:07 |
| bauzas | that's a placeholder at the moment | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | content to come in :) | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | the etherpad for ATL sessions will be placed there | 15:08 |
| mspreitz | some wiki pages are linked as children of others; is this one, in any way, linked under Nova? | 15:08 |
| bauzas | well, the bbcode is about subpages of Gantt/ | 15:08 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: but we can add other references | 15:09 |
| mspreitz | Compare with https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/AutoScaling | 15:09 |
| mspreitz | it points to its parent, Heat | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | oh, I got your point | 15:09 |
| mspreitz | and its parent should point back to that child (among the others) | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | well, Gantt stands by itself | 15:10 |
| bauzas | but we can link it to Nova some way | 15:10 |
| mspreitz | We want it to, but I think Nova should point to it | 15:10 |
| bauzas | indeed | 15:10 |
| bauzas | ok, will see what I can do | 15:10 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 15:10 |
| mspreitz | this is, in part, a point-in-time statement | 15:10 |
| bauzas | #action bauzas to link Gantt wiki namespace with Nova one | 15:10 |
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| mspreitz | today, Gantt is really a creature of Nova | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | mspreitz: +1 | 15:11 |
| mspreitz | with grander ambitions | 15:11 |
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| bauzas | indeed | 15:11 |
| bauzas | well, frankly speaking, there is no Gantt code yet | 15:11 |
| bauzas | there is at some point a Gantt repo, containing old Nova fokr | 15:11 |
| bauzas | fork | 15:11 |
| bauzas | but that's it | 15:12 |
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| bauzas | the idea of this wiki page is to wrap all content around Gantt, not only on an etherpad :) | 15:12 |
| toan_tran|2 | bauzas: well, it's not a problem so far if Gantt is totally separated | 15:12 |
| bauzas | indeed, that's pure seam | 15:12 |
| bauzas | I mean, all docs should be placed there, including etherpads, even if all efforts are currently under Nova hood | 15:13 |
| toan_tran|2 | bauzas: +1 | 15:13 |
| mspreitz | bauzas: +1 | 15:13 |
| bauzas | ok cool | 15:13 |
| bauzas | ok, moving to the next topic then | 15:14 |
| bauzas | #topic Status on forklift efforts | 15:14 |
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| bauzas | and again, some links... | 15:14 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82133/ | 15:14 |
| bauzas | reviews are welcome here :) | 15:14 |
| bauzas | the idea is to define exactly what should be done and how | 15:15 |
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| bauzas | I'm considering only changes to Nova code but Scheduler | 15:15 |
| toan_tran|2 | right now there are a lot of things overlapping between Nova and Oslo | 15:16 |
| bauzas | I also have to open another blueprint for changes inside the Scheduler, but that's another thing | 15:16 |
| bauzas | toan_tran|2: which ones ? | 15:16 |
| toan_tran|2 | should we take this chance to split them out? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: are you feeling happy with that now, is there some stuff you are particuarly worried about? | 15:16 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: there was a misunderstanding with russellb | 15:16 |
| toan_tran|2 | I don't remember exactly, but I remember hearing Jay Lau discussing on it in the MLK | 15:17 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but I hope this is now resolved | 15:17 |
| toan_tran|2 | ML | 15:17 |
| bauzas | toan_tran|2: mmm | 15:17 |
| toan_tran|2 | like the weights | 15:17 |
| bauzas | toan_tran|2: oh ok | 15:17 |
| toan_tran|2 | something about weight_multiplier | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: will create second BP for chasing up changes to do on scheduler | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | toan_tran|2: won't be in the scope of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82133/ | 15:18 |
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| toan_tran|2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66285/ | 15:18 |
| toan_tran|2 | here | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: that sounds good, stuff for juno-2 I guess | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: what fits for juno-2 sorry ? | 15:19 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: bp/scheduler-lib ? | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking scheduler-lib for juno-1, follow up stuff for juno-2? | 15:19 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: oh ok, huge +2 here | 15:19 |
| russellb | o/ | 15:19 |
| russellb | did you split up the spec into 2 now? or? | 15:19 |
| bauzas | russellb: o/ | 15:20 |
| russellb | looks like it wasn't split | 15:20 |
| bauzas | russellb: sorry, but can't see why it needs to be split | 15:20 |
| russellb | i still think this spec is including 2 separate things | 15:20 |
| russellb | there are 2 distinct things mentioned in the introduction | 15:20 |
| russellb | 1) need to isolate how you talk *to* the scheduler | 15:20 |
| russellb | 2) need to isolate what the scheduler talks to (nova db or whatever) | 15:21 |
| russellb | those are completely separate concerns in my mind | 15:21 |
| bauzas | russellb: well, 2) is not that | 15:21 |
| russellb | and this spec mixes them, and calls it a library | 15:21 |
| russellb | 17In this blueprint, we need to define in a clear library all accesses to the | 15:21 |
| russellb | 18Scheduler code or data (compute_nodes DB table) from other Nova bits (conductor | 15:21 |
| bauzas | russellb: we don't want to change what scheduler talks to | 15:21 |
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| russellb | 19and ResourceTracker). | 15:21 |
| bauzas | ResourceTracker directly writes updates to compute_nodes | 15:22 |
| bauzas | russellb: we're just isolating it thru the sched lib | 15:22 |
| russellb | and you're defining that as data the scheduler owns? | 15:22 |
| russellb | ok | 15:22 |
| russellb | this wording is better this time | 15:22 |
| mspreitz | from where are these numbers coming? | 15:22 |
| russellb | that wasn't clear to me before ... | 15:22 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: Gerrit copy/paste | 15:22 |
| russellb | mspreitz: ignore them, just copied from gerrit | 15:22 |
| mspreitz | got it | 15:22 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82133/13/specs/juno/scheduler-lib.rst | 15:23 |
| bauzas | russellb: well, I'm sorry, I don't know how to be more precise :( | 15:23 |
| russellb | bauzas: no it's better now, sorry | 15:23 |
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| russellb | bauzas: until looking this time i thought you were changing internals of the scheduler, as well | 15:23 |
| bauzas | russellb: oh ok | 15:23 |
| bauzas | russellb: sorry about that, I was unclear | 15:24 |
| bauzas | hence L21 | 15:24 |
| russellb | and i'm picky :) | 15:24 |
| russellb | so sorry ;) | 15:24 |
| russellb | but OK, i think we're much closer now, i'll do another pass on this today | 15:24 |
| bauzas | russellb: ok cool | 15:24 |
| russellb | i'm sure your intent was right/good the whole time, i'm just really picky to make sure we're clearly on the same page about it, so picky about how/what is written | 15:25 |
| bauzas | russellb: I was just saying that changes to the scheduler will be defined in another bp we target for juno-2 | 15:25 |
| russellb | ok | 15:25 |
| bauzas | russellb: thanks for jumping in now :) | 15:25 |
| bauzas | russellb: I mean, that was appreciated | 15:25 |
| bauzas | ok, so, I'm taking an action here | 15:25 |
| bauzas | #action bauzas to create another blueprint for changes to scheduler | 15:26 |
| bauzas | can we move forward and go to the next topic ? | 15:27 |
| mspreitz | +1 | 15:27 |
| bauzas | #topic Juno summit design sessions | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:27 |
| bauzas | as said previously, we'll chase all proposals in an etherpad | 15:28 |
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| bauzas | at the moment, no review has yet been done on the proposals | 15:29 |
| bauzas | except http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/45 | 15:29 |
| bauzas | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/45 has been refused | 15:29 |
| bauzas | it was about discussing how to manage reservations and scheduling in OS | 15:29 |
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| bauzas | so, I can invite people interested in discussing it in ATL to join | 15:30 |
| bauzas | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/142 | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | oh | 15:31 |
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| mspreitz | I had not noticed that | 15:31 |
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| mspreitz | I think we need to continue the API discussion for joint-scheduling of a heterogenous group of VMs | 15:31 |
| mspreitz | The description of 142 does not clearly include that, while 45 sounded inclusive | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | mspreitz: the #142 session is about how Climate can integrate Openstack | 15:32 |
| mspreitz | bauzas: exactly. A more narrow scope than I read for #45 | 15:32 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: indeed | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | I want to talk about something that is in 45 - 142 | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | I'd like to talk about it today and see it discussed at the summit | 15:33 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: deadline for proposals is on April 20th | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | OK, sounds like I need to add one, since 45 has been narrowed to 142 | 15:34 |
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| mspreitz | Can we also discuss it a bit today? When we get to the open part of the agenda? | 15:34 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: there is another session which could help you | 15:34 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/140 | 15:35 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: please discuss it in the open part | 15:35 |
| mspreitz | yes, I saw that one too | 15:35 |
| mspreitz | but I thought that was maybe too broad | 15:35 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: I'll jump on the next topic and we'll go back to your point after | 15:35 |
| mspreitz | ok | 15:35 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: well, one is too narrow and the other one is too broad :) | 15:36 |
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| bauzas | #topic open discussion | 15:36 |
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| bauzas | now you can talk | 15:36 |
| bauzas | :) | 15:36 |
| bauzas | :D | 15:36 |
| mspreitz | OK... | 15:36 |
| mspreitz | I want to discuss the next step for server groups | 15:36 |
| mspreitz | That is, how to change the API to enable a joint decision to be made about a heterogenous group of VMs | 15:37 |
| mspreitz | I imagine a three phase API: | 15:37 |
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| mspreitz | (1) describe the VMs and scheduling constraints, get a joint decision made | 15:37 |
| mspreitz | (2) client then makes the calls to create the VMs | 15:38 |
| mspreitz | (3) after all the success, failures, wedges, and give-ups, the client calls back to the group to confirm that he is done | 15:38 |
| mspreitz | (3) is so that unused allocations can be released | 15:38 |
| mspreitz | what do you think? | 15:38 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: by server groups, you mean the same logic than with instance groups ? | 15:38 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: but dealing with hosts ? | 15:39 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: I mean computehosts | 15:39 |
| mspreitz | AFAIK, instance-grouop-api-extension deals with what are now called server groups | 15:39 |
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| mspreitz | "server" here means VM AKA instance | 15:39 |
| bauzas | ok | 15:39 |
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| mspreitz | I am talking about an evolutionary step forward from the current server group API | 15:40 |
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| mspreitz | the current API leads to serial decision making | 15:40 |
| bauzas | mmm ok | 15:40 |
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| bauzas | correct me if I'm wrong but there are anti-affinity and affinity policies with instance groups, correct ? | 15:41 |
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| mspreitz | correct | 15:41 |
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| mspreitz | But current API allows only serial decision making --- no knowledge available about what else will be in the group in the future is available when making one scheduling decision | 15:42 |
| bauzas | what do you mean by "in the future" ? | 15:42 |
| mspreitz | ah right | 15:42 |
| bauzas | could you provide a use-case ? | 15:42 |
| mspreitz | by "future" here I mean not what you would, I only refer to the span of time that phase (2) takes | 15:42 |
| mspreitz | Use case: you want to create a web server and a database server with affinity. Today you have to create one first, and at that time there is no knowledge in scheduler that the second is really desired right now, and the first should be placed where there is room to put the second nearby | 15:43 |
| toan_tran|2 | mspreitz: If I understand correctly, you mean we need to "memory" the group configuration | 15:44 |
| mspreitz | I mean the group config should be considered all at once in a joint decision making exercise | 15:44 |
| toan_tran|2 | so that whenever you create a new server, scheduler can traceback in which (anti-)affinity it belongs to | 15:44 |
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| mspreitz | I mean to change the scheduling protocol, so the scheduler can see the whole group and make a decision about all of it at once | 15:45 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: but you can ask nova to boot 2 distinct VMs in a same group no ? | 15:45 |
| mspreitz | bauzas: yes. But today you have to create one after the other | 15:45 |
| mspreitz | I want to enable scheduling both in the same scheduler call | 15:46 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: but you can ask Nova to boot 2 VMs on a single call | 15:46 |
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| mspreitz | bauzas: only if they are homogenous | 15:46 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: ah right | 15:46 |
| toan_tran|2 | mspreitz: I think I got you idea, right now we only hint the group and scheduler will place it depending which filter we use, Anti- or Affinity- | 15:46 |
| toan_tran|2 | here you'll have the two policies altogether, so scheduler must know which policy to use | 15:47 |
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| toan_tran|2 | is that tight? | 15:47 |
| mspreitz | toan_tran|2: I am not debating the policy, my point is that it would be better to apply the poliicy simultaneously and symmetrically | 15:47 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: do you have opened a blueprint for discussion here ? | 15:47 |
| toan_tran|2 | right? | 15:47 |
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| mspreitz | Gary K, Yathi, Debo and I brought a BP to the last summit. It should be revised to clearly say what I am saying now. | 15:48 |
| mspreitz | The old BP is more ambitious | 15:48 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: indeed | 15:48 |
| mspreitz | I think I will write this narrower one | 15:48 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: I think I got your idea | 15:49 |
| toan_tran|2 | mspreitz: that would definitely help | 15:49 |
| mspreitz | tt: I think you are adding the concern about multipe and potentially conflicting policies. That's an orthogonal issue, I think. | 15:49 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: but that requires to hold the scheduler decision for the first instance until the 2nd one comes in | 15:49 |
| toan_tran|2 | mspreitz: that would be another issue that we can concern once the instance group is done | 15:49 |
| mspreitz | Right. That's why I connected to your talk about reservations | 15:49 |
| toan_tran|2 | :) | 15:49 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: well, that's still ambitious :) | 15:50 |
| mspreitz | And remember phase (3), so unneeded reservations can be released soon if it is known they will not be used. | 15:50 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: I'm just thinking it would require both Heat and Nova interactions at least | 15:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: I do wonder if we should have "holistic scheduling" that makes reservations and then later create VMs for those reservations, maybe thats what you are suggesting? | 15:51 |
| mspreitz | bauzas: I think true scheduling (place + time), as you have been advocating, is a hard problem in itself... | 15:51 |
| mspreitz | the sophisticated placement I have been talking about is also a hard problem itself... | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean holistic placement really, of course | 15:51 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 15:51 |
| mspreitz | I can not recommend combining the two into an even harder problem | 15:51 |
| mspreitz | johnthetubaguy: yes | 15:52 |
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| bauzas | mspreitz: another option would be to consider live migrating the first instance | 15:52 |
| mspreitz | I am trying to take this incrementally | 15:52 |
| mspreitz | By "holistic" I also mean "more than Nova"... | 15:52 |
| bauzas | I mean | 15:52 |
| toan_tran|2 | bauzas: that would introducing control + delays | 15:52 |
| mspreitz | What I am trying to talk about today is a small step: change server groups from serial to simultaneous decision making | 15:52 |
| mspreitz | I think the Nova part does not require any Heat interaction. | 15:53 |
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| toan_tran|2 | me mention about "small stop" | 15:53 |
| mspreitz | Heat, as a Nova client, will of course have to have a way to use the new API | 15:53 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: but that requires to serialize the scheduling decision :D | 15:53 |
| * toan_tran|2 mention about small stop | 15:53 | |
| toan_tran|2 | s/stop/step/ | 15:53 |
| bauzas | we're running out of time | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: can we take an even smaller step, create nova APIs to make reservations, and this can be outside of Nova, and in the scheduler? | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: so leaving VM groups just as it is today, for now | 15:54 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: hence the discussion about Climate integration then | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:55 |
| toan_tran|2 | johnthetubaguy: +1 | 15:55 |
| mspreitz | johnthetubaguy: not sure I follow, can you send an outline on ML? | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | mspreitz: I will try do that, bug me if I forget | 15:55 |
| mspreitz | thanks. | 15:55 |
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| bauzas | mspreitz: I think Climate could help, provided we see how it can be integrated within Openstack | 15:56 |
| bauzas | but ok, let's discuss it outside this meeting | 15:56 |
| bauzas | any other opens to discuss ? | 15:56 |
| mspreitz | bauzas: Possibly, if Climate is factored. As I said earlier, I think we have two hard problems that I do not want to combine | 15:56 |
| bauzas | we're having 3 mins left | 15:56 |
| bauzas | tic tac | 15:57 |
| bauzas | ok, will close the meeting | 15:57 |
| * mspreitz hears crickets | 15:57 | |
| bauzas | s/close/end | 15:57 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 15:57:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-15-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-15-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2014/gantt.2014-04-15-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: still, I think Climate could help your need | 15:57 |
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| mspreitz | bauzas: that would be grat | 15:58 |
| mspreitz | s/grat/great | 15:58 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: because we already have a reservation API | 15:58 |
| bauzas | that would require a pluging | 15:58 |
| bauzas | and Sched could place a call to Climate | 15:58 |
| mspreitz | bauzas: pls remind me where to read about that | 15:58 |
| bauzas | to know the reservation content | 15:58 |
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| bauzas | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate is a good entrypoint | 15:58 |
| mspreitz | thanks | 15:59 |
| bauzas | and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate/REST_API | 15:59 |
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| bauzas | let's finish discussing it in #openstack-nova | 15:59 |
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| mspreitz | actually I have to leave now, I want to read before responding more | 15:59 |
| bauzas | mspreitz: ok | 16:00 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 16:02:54 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | Hi all | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: hi there | 16:03 |
| luis_ | hi primeministerp | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | hi luis | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | luis_: how are things? | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | luis_: glad you made it | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | luis_: we can catch up on module stuff | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | hi guys! | 16:03 |
| luis_ | perfect :) | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: hey alex | 16:04 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: figured we'd have some quick updates | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: talk about puppet modules | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | primeministerp luis_ hi guys, nice to see you! | 16:04 |
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| primeministerp | and then get back to the 90 other meetings | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: do you want to start? | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | well, from here to the summit it’s the best time to collect suggestions for the next BPs | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | #topic blueprint ideas | 16:05 |
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| alexpilotti | Ah, and since we have a new Nova PTL maybe it’s a good moment to catch up, if timezone permits | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | mikal: hi | 16:05 |
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| alexpilotti | in the meantime, let me fetch the looong list of blueprint ideas :-) | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | do in random order: | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | well the first i can think of is smb3 support in cinder | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | for the cern folks | 16:07 |
| luis_ | hehe | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | smb3, yep | 16:07 |
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| alexpilotti | x509 auth | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | nova host power actions | 16:07 |
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| alexpilotti | nova soft reboot | 16:07 |
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| alexpilotti | nova hyper-v clustering | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | nova serial console | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | nova rescue | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | ahh good one | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | nova get-disgnostics (v2) | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | Hyper-V generation 2 VMs | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | ok, I skipped the non Nova ones for now :-) | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | that's fine | 16:09 |
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| luis_ | sounds good :) | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | it's a start | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | teh idea is to get them all together, gop to the summit, give them a priority and start the bp process | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | the bp process changed btw | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | we'll gauge the audience in atlanta | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | as well | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | now we first have to submit a document in gerrit for each bp | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | which is gonna be discussed by the Nova core folks and anybody else interested | 16:10 |
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| primeministerp | *nod* | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | and then once approved the usual implementation starts | 16:11 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: perfecto | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | my 2c, w/o the need of a crystal ball is that the cluster one will have a VERY hard life to pass :-D | 16:11 |
| luis_ | hehe | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | well, thing is there is customer demand | 16:12 |
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| alexpilotti | at least by looking at how the equivalent vSphere driver is mistreated… ;-) | 16:12 |
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| alexpilotti | luis_: are you gonan be at the summit? | 16:12 |
| luis_ | yes, this time | 16:12 |
| luis_ | I'll go :) | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | luis_: great! | 16:13 |
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| alexpilotti | cool! | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | so | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | let's move onto the puppet stuff | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: thanks for your time | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | I hope that in Paris we’ll see finally both you and Jose at the same time! | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: np! | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | topic #puppet | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | gah | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | #topic puppet modules | 16:14 |
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| primeministerp | luis_: so I still owe you a ton of commits | 16:14 |
| luis_ | hehe, no problem :) | 16:14 |
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| primeministerp | btw i have vijay starting to look into implementing the testing | 16:14 |
| luis_ | primeministerp, cool :) | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | we need to get everthing atomically tested | 16:15 |
| luis_ | I think the testing part is the one we have to improve | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | so we have a ton of infrastructure stuff going on | 16:15 |
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| primeministerp | in terms of adding more nodes | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | better hardware | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | that is all in process now | 16:16 |
| luis_ | great | 16:16 |
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| primeministerp | additionally it will allow us to put these tests on that same infra | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | or a subset of it | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | and start testing all modules on commit | 16:16 |
| luis_ | ok | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | at least that's the goal | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | so much work though | 16:17 |
| luis_ | it's a good one, I'll help as much as possible :) | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | are there critial ones I need to review | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | if possible | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | could you send me a list | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | and I'll get to it this week | 16:17 |
| luis_ | I'll review what's pending and I'll update you | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | anything else? | 16:18 |
| luis_ | yes | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | shoot | 16:18 |
| luis_ | I want to draft a first version of the cinder module... as I have to do some tests with cinder I'll do it with puppet | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | perfect | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | the space is there for you already | 16:18 |
| luis_ | apart from that,... if I have time... write more tests for the rest | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | i believe | 16:19 |
| luis_ | yes, it's there | 16:19 |
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| primeministerp | ok | 16:19 |
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| primeministerp | btw | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | we're going to be doing a from source | 16:19 |
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| primeministerp | soon | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | well | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | sooner than later | 16:19 |
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| luis_ | ok | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | might be helpful for your packaging | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | and | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | not sure if you saw the oneget news | 16:20 |
| luis_ | nop | 16:20 |
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| primeministerp | oneget is the new package mgmt layer that will eventually be shipping in windows | 16:20 |
| luis_ | Promising? | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | ideally it will do all native types | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | yes | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | it supports chocately today | 16:20 |
| luis_ | oh cool | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | it will get there | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | but it's early, they just announced it at build | 16:21 |
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| luis_ | it's good news anyway... wee need that | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | let's plan on discussing smb3 in atlanta | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | and I'll plan on ordering some shirts | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | i owe you a couple | 16:22 |
| luis_ | ok, perfect hehe :) | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | that's all i have | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | there probably will not be a meeting next week as I'll be travelling | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | I'll follow up w/ others | 16:23 |
| luis_ | ok, I won't be available next week | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | and see if one will be required | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | then I'll plan on cancelling it | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | thanks luis | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | catch you in a couple weeks then | 16:23 |
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| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 16:23:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-04-15-16.02.html | 16:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-04-15-16.02.txt | 16:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2014/hyper_v.2014-04-15-16.02.log.html | 16:23 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 16:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 16:32:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 16:32 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders ping | 16:32 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang ping | 16:32 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais ping | 16:32 |
| boris-42 | msdubov ping | 16:33 |
| kun_huang | boris-42 meeting? | 16:33 |
| boris-42 | yep lol | 16:33 |
| boris-42 | I just forgot=) | 16:33 |
| hughsaunders | hey i thought meeting is in 30 mins.. walking at the moment, available properly in ~15 | 16:34 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders oh | 16:34 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders fuuuu | 16:34 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders you are right=) | 16:34 |
| boris-42 | not a rally meeting #endmeeting | 16:35 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 16:35:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-15-16.32.html | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-15-16.32.txt | 16:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-15-16.32.log.html | 16:35 |
| boris-42 | lol | 16:35 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting | 17:03 |
| openstack | boris-42: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 17:03 |
| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 17:03:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders msdubov marcoemorais olkonami kun_huang meeeitng time | 17:03 |
| hughsaunders | o/ | 17:03 |
| msdubov | boris-42, hi | 17:03 |
| olkonami | hi | 17:04 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: hi | 17:04 |
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| aswadrangnekar | hi | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | hey everybody | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's start | 17:08 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais first off all gratz | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais with splitting scenarios=) | 17:09 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: cool, thx for the reviews | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | #topic tempest integration | 17:09 |
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| boris-42 | olkonami and Andrey were hard working | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | to make this possible | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:09 |
| hughsaunders | thanks to both :) | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | now we should review everything) | 17:10 |
| hughsaunders | first patch has just gone in | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders oh you already reviewed=) | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders btw it pass all tests? | 17:10 |
| hughsaunders | yeah | 17:11 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders nice going to test | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | olkonami well done!=) | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | so other 2 patches add support of benchmarking with any of tests from tempest | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais msdubov you could also help with reviewes | 17:12 |
| boris-42 | to speed up process | 17:12 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: ack | 17:12 |
| msdubov | boris-42 Sure also started doing that | 17:12 |
| msdubov | boris-42 I had one concern whether the Tempest context should be a hidden one | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | msdubov oh yes | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | msdubov agree | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | so after we merge these 2 patches we will be able to say that we finished tempest configuration | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | to mailing list woohoo=) | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | olkonami do you have anything to say? | 17:14 |
| olkonami | just thanks for reviews and test those patch =) | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | olkonami okay nice=) | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | olkonami I think I will find you more interesting task=) | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | olkonami then integration with tempest=) | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally as a Service | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | today we started discussion about what we should do | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/api-base | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | https://docs.google.com/a/pavlovic.ru/document/d/1lzo-UTI0Rg767WEzl42XdUYHBW7ZlpkARieJ_5E8Z_g/edit#heading=h.sjbn72b73o3c so we started this document | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | and let me copy paste | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | new arch diagram | 17:17 |
| boris-42 | one sec | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | okay add diagram that we discussed today | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | to that document | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | so key things that were discussed are next | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | 1: we will have 4 different projects | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | 1. rally (with web ui togther) | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | 2. rally horizon pulgin (temporary project until it will be merged in horizon) | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | 3. rally python client | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | 4. rally-web-lib (common code related to horizon plugin and web ui) | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | 2: we should put all logic from our current CLI to Rally Manager orchestrator (current orchestrator API) | 17:21 |
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| boris-42 | 3: Orchestrator API should be OOP (and probably splited) | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | and that's actually all that we discussed=) | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | if somebody have any ideas or would like to take a part in discussion you are welcome=) | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders msdubov marcoemorais olkonami aswadrangnekar ^ | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | any questions?) | 17:23 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 perhaps just add that one of the main ideas was to move all DB calls from the CLI to the Orchestrator | 17:23 |
| aswadrangnekar | boris-42: nothing as of now | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov yep we should add a lot of info to that document | 17:24 |
| msdubov | boris-42 agree | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | I think 1.5-2 weeks for discussion | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | and we will start implementation | 17:24 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: inside of rally-as-a-service, what is this manager rpc api? | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so it's stuff that listen "rpc" and perform all operation by calling orchestrator | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais let me explain on samle | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | you would like to run "task start" | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | it can work for a quite long period | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | so API (controller) making async call to run task | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | to manager | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | and manager works for some amount of time | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | so controllers are going to be quite dummy | 17:28 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: ok yep, I get it | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | just accept request | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | and call sync/async manager | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | and return result | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | for such sync/async stuff we should have something=) and that something is manager=) | 17:28 |
| aswadrangnekar | boris-42: i guess it is same logic as used in nova / other projects ?? | 17:29 |
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| boris-42 | aswadrangnekar actually yes | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | aswadrangnekar at least quite similar | 17:29 |
| harlowja_ | hmmm, boris-42 sounds similar to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/generic-flow-conductor | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | harlowja_ why not to use just oslo.messaging crap?) | 17:31 |
| harlowja_ | 2.7 | 17:31 |
| harlowja_ | no 3.3 | 17:31 |
| harlowja_ | 3.4 | 17:31 |
| harlowja_ | but maybe don't matter for u | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | harlowja_ but in rally there is no 3.3 and 3.4 | 17:31 |
| harlowja_ | :-P | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | harlowja_ cause glance client is broken | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | lol | 17:31 |
| boris-42 | and we have it in requirements=0 | 17:31 |
| harlowja_ | k, well oslo.messaging doesn't provide u a conductor/orchestrator though | 17:32 |
| harlowja_ | *seems like thats what u are talking about here | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | hmm | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | okay this is long discussion probably not for meetings?) | 17:32 |
| harlowja_ | k | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | we just started that document | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | ideas are welcome imho | 17:32 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42 aswadrangnekar harlowja_: in any case request to benchmark will return polling url, which client will use to get result of benchmark http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-compute/2/content/ChangesSince.html | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais bueee | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais pooling urls are 90s | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais at least in rally web ui we should try to make it on web sockets | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so seems like there will be huge discussion about this stuff | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | let's move on other interesting stuff | 17:35 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42 is from the future | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders lol=) | 17:36 |
| mwagner_lap | hughsaunders, cyborg ? | 17:36 |
| hughsaunders | possibly | 17:36 |
| mwagner_lap | huats, hopefully not a Terminator | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | t-800 lol | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | don't write a bad code http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KlPx_bSlcuc/TVCpzzz17zI/AAAAAAAAAVk/heRJXE8UCRw/s1600/t-1000.jpg !! | 17:38 |
| aswadrangnekar | :) | 17:38 |
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| boris-42 | #topic 100k load | 17:39 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais did you start thinking about it and current periodic runner? | 17:39 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: yes, starting to use taskflow, need to meet with harlowja_ | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais but what about just to improve current one? | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais I mean I am interested in keeping pluggabillity | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais but be able to run the same plugins form different host | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais (that will be as well pluging) | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais e.g. GrandRunner that run other runners lol | 17:41 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: distributed benchmark will require agent running on all hosts used to generate load | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais yep | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so I'm thinking about reusing our rally/deploy/serverproviders | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais to this case as well | 17:42 |
| hughsaunders | could ssh to other nodes and only run load generator for the duration of the benchmark | 17:43 |
| hughsaunders | so you don't need a permanent agent | 17:43 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders it will be quite hard | 17:44 |
| marcoemorais | hughsaunders: kind of incomplete to say that, rally has to be deployed on the other hosts | 17:44 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders to keep 1k open ssh connections | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders from one host | 17:44 |
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| marcoemorais | hughsaunders: also messy for tracking | 17:44 |
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| boris-42 | so agents are ok I think here.. | 17:45 |
| hughsaunders | ok | 17:45 |
| hughsaunders | communication via AMQP? | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders yep | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | hughsaunders there will be a lot of tasks | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | 1. storing all this data | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | 2. collecting it | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | 3. sending context to all runners | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | as well it will be nice to have "abort" command | 17:46 |
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| boris-42 | and we should as well take care about does actually all runners works from all nodes?) | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | hughsaunders ^ so I think agents will be not so simple=) | 17:47 |
| hughsaunders | boris-42: that does sound non-trivial | 17:47 |
| mwagner_lap | are we targetting specific OS for the targets ? soltion needs to take that into account | 17:47 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42 hughsaunders agent should be able to sanity check & update host it is running on | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais nope | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais at least it should work on centos/ubunt | 17:48 |
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| hughsaunders | could supply agent in a venv? | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais I think there should be some design doc | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais before starting this work | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | okay next topic * | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | #topic pre-processing of input args in task | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais what is the status? | 17:50 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: working on your comments, will have more wip today | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais ok nice | 17:50 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: we agree to skip validation of flavor for image | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais in processing step only | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais but we should keep it in validation step | 17:51 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: yes, so if user does use name instead of id, they might have selected an invalid flavor | 17:51 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: but for now we are accepting that | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais nope | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais as we were discussing at this moment we should process | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | it | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | ad validation step (inside validation) | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | at* | 17:52 |
| boris-42 | and one more time process before running | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | at least that was my thoguths=) | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | in future I we will think how to align it with flavor/image context | 17:53 |
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| marcoemorais | boris-42: so you mean "one more time process" do a re-validate following process? | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais nope | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | one sec | 17:54 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: better for me to push one more wip | 17:54 |
| marcoemorais | boris-42: put the comments in the review | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | marcoemorais so | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/validation.py#L185-L186 | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | ^ we should process here args to get ID of flavor and image | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | and we should process arguments (before running benchmark) | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | so in 2 places we will have processing of image and flavor objects | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | marcoemorais but WIP ar welcome | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | =) | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | #topic open discussion | 17:57 |
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| boris-42 | any ?) | 17:57 |
| msdubov | guys does anybody know whether there is an elegant way to suspend logs? | 17:57 |
| hughsaunders | msdubov: suspend? | 17:57 |
| msdubov | I actually have this problem in my patch | 17:57 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, temporarily | 17:57 |
| msdubov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86956/ | 17:57 |
| msdubov | I call Authenticate.keystone there | 17:58 |
| msdubov | just to measure the average cloud response time | 17:58 |
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| msdubov | and I'd like to have no logs during this "helper" job | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | msdubov send argument | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | msdubov NOLOGS | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | msdubov NOLOGS=TRUE+) | 17:58 |
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| msdubov | boris-42 seems to be dirty =( | 17:58 |
| msdubov | will require lots of changes besides | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | msdubov not sure that it requires a lot of changes | 17:59 |
| msdubov | boris-42 Ok will try to do it simply thi s way | 17:59 |
| msdubov | thanks | 17:59 |
| hughsaunders | msdubov: you could probabbly get the logger for the appropriate module and remove the handlers? | 17:59 |
| hughsaunders | use try/finally or with to ensure they get added back again.. | 17:59 |
| msdubov | hughsaunders, How should I remove the handlers? | 18:00 |
| msdubov | is there a special method? | 18:00 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov store original LOG instance | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | msdubov replace it | 18:00 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov restore | 18:00 |
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| boris-42 | so we should end meeting | 18:00 |
| msdubov | boris-42 Yep that's an option | 18:00 |
| msdubov | ok | 18:00 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 18:00:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-15-17.03.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-15-17.03.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-04-15-17.03.log.html | 18:00 |
| dolphem | ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, fmarco76, nkinder: ping | 18:00 |
| dolphem | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphem? | 18:01 |
| gyee | \o | 18:01 |
| ayoung | polo! | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | dolphem: hey | 18:01 |
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| topol | o/ | 18:01 |
| bknudson | dolphem: hi | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | hehe | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: forgot about that | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | \o in either case | 18:01 |
| mfisch | are we waving? /o | 18:01 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 18:01 |
| ayoung | mfisch, or saluting | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | mfisch, o\ i think i'm doing this wrong | 18:01 |
| stevemar | mfisch, why not | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | \o\ /o/ | 18:02 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: looks like you're scratching your head | 18:02 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:02 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yeah | 18:02 |
| ayoung | _\\// | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i don.t even... | 18:02 |
| dolphm | ayoung: is that a seagull? | 18:02 |
| ayoung | I've no idea | 18:02 |
| ayoung | I was going for Vulcan | 18:03 |
| dolphm | anyway... | 18:03 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 18:03:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:03 |
| dolphm | #topic icehouse coming soon | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "icehouse coming soon (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
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| ayoung | Winter is coming | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, winter is coming? | 18:03 |
| dolphm | i hope not | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, damn it beat me to it | 18:03 |
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| bknudson | we just had winter. let's have some spring for once | 18:03 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:04 |
| ayoung | In new England you can get all four seasons in one day | 18:04 |
| dolphm | the RC seems to have settled down, we haven't had reason to open a new RC window, so our current RC will become stable/icehouse in < 48 hours | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | ++ | 18:04 |
| mfisch | it's going to snow here tomorrow | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | yay!! | 18:04 |
| topol | wonderful | 18:04 |
| stevemar | it snowed here today :( | 18:04 |
| henrynash | +++++ | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | awesome work everyone! | 18:04 |
| ayoung | Time to focuse on client reviews | 18:05 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: ++ :) | 18:05 |
| dstanek | it's snowing there right now | 18:05 |
| dstanek | s/there/here/ | 18:05 |
| bknudson | there's several client reviews with +2 already -- https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient+label:CodeReview%253D2,n,z | 18:06 |
| dolphm | fwiw, there's a few icehouse-rc-potential bugs/fixes that we'll need to backport to stable/icehouse rather than milestone-proposed since we don't have an RC window open | 18:06 |
| dolphm | #topic Reminder: Design summit session proposals open until April 20th | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 18:07 |
| dolphm | we're at 24 proposals at the moment, with 8 timeslots available | 18:07 |
| ayoung | 20 minutes per proposal | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | so there's going to be a lot of cuts & merges already, but if you're confident the current proposals miss something that's critical to discuss, you still have time to propose it! | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | I'm assuming the merges will be a topic for next week? | 18:08 |
| stevemar | likely | 18:08 |
| stevemar | no point in merging now when things can still be proposed | 18:08 |
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| gyee | sounds good, I presume we all need to vote on them before next week then? | 18:09 |
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| dolphm | once the window for proposals is closed, i'll look to produce a draft schedule ASAP | 18:09 |
| stevemar | gyee, i dont think there is a vote ... | 18:09 |
| ayoung | There is one vote. the PTLs | 18:09 |
| topol | I thought dolphm votes for all of us | 18:09 |
| ayoung | PTL's vote | 18:09 |
| gyee | stevemar, like adding our comments | 18:09 |
| dolphm | gyee: there's not really a vote, but your feedback is important :) | 18:09 |
| ayoung | dolphm, what say we go through the proposals and add comments like "merge this one with <id>" | 18:10 |
| gyee | dolphm, sure I'll add feedbacks | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: you're welcome to | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | #topic Oslo Liaison for Keystone | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032498.html | 18:12 |
| dolphm | i haven't followed this conversation very closely -- who put this on the agenda? | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | i did | 18:13 |
| bknudson | I'm willing to sign up to be the liaison if we need one | 18:13 |
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| topol | +1 for bknudson | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | they are looking at holding weekly oslo meetings again, but it's at midnight for me | 18:13 |
| dolphm | from the wiki, "The liaison should be prepared to assist with writing and reviewing patches in their project as libraries are adopted, and with discussions of API changes to the libraries to make them easier to use within the project." | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | bknudson and morganfainberg are the ones usually on top of the oslo syncs | 18:14 |
| dolphm | so the liason also needs to attend a Friday 1600 UTC weekly meeting? | 18:14 |
| * topol cant believe bknudson volunteered for this... | 18:14 | |
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| dolphm | liaison* | 18:14 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I'm already the policy reviewer | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i don't think it's a requirement - but i'd suspect it's useful | 18:14 |
| dstanek | i'll do it if nobody else wants to or can attend the meetings | 18:14 |
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| ayoung | I'd be comfortablwe with either of you guys | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | +1 I second that | 18:15 |
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| topol | who wants it??? | 18:15 |
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| gyee | bknudson is the starter and the rest of us are in the bullpen :) | 18:15 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:15 |
| topol | ++ | 18:15 |
| dolphm | should we vote on bknudson vs dstanek? lol | 18:16 |
| bknudson | if I'm not the liaison I'll be happy to do the reviews | 18:16 |
| ayoung | bknudson, primary, dstanek alternate? | 18:16 |
| * topol like volunteering to be the caddy for Judge Shmeals in Caddyshack | 18:16 | |
| ayoung | since bknudson spoke first | 18:16 |
| ayoung | Noonan! | 18:16 |
| dstanek | ayoung: that sounds good to me | 18:16 |
| bknudson | ok, I'll update the wiki page | 18:17 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: btw, you almost got voluntold by stevemar | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | Heh | 18:17 |
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| stevemar | i'm learning from topol | 18:17 |
| dolphm | rofl | 18:17 |
| * gyee is looking up voluntold | 18:17 | |
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| ayoung | stevemar, in order to be able to do that you need to be in the volunteers chain of command | 18:17 |
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| topol | nah.. just act like you are | 18:18 |
| dolphm | topol: +++ | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, oh dear | 18:18 |
| stevemar | topol, kmows it | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, hey no volunteling me for things! :P | 18:18 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, too late | 18:18 |
| dolphm | well that was easy | 18:18 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: you just opened the flood gates | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, heh | 18:18 |
| bknudson | my first official act as oslo liaison -- please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83966/ | 18:19 |
| dolphm | bknudson: thank you for your volunteerism! | 18:19 |
| bknudson | dstanek is exempt from the request because he already reviewed it | 18:20 |
| dstanek | nice, usually i'm the one late to the party | 18:20 |
| topol | bknudson, thats a biggie compared to most of the oslo syncs | 18:20 |
| ayoung | Can we please stop the copy-paste-MADNESS! | 18:21 |
| topol | I was hoping for the two line change :-) | 18:21 |
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| bknudson | topol: this is a full sync of everything we use in oslo-incubator | 18:21 |
| bknudson | and gets rid of things we don't use | 18:21 |
| topol | bknudson, gotcha | 18:21 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, what copy paste madness? | 18:21 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I'll bring your concerns to the oslo group... I think that's the plan though | 18:21 |
| ayoung | when did we start using threadgroup? | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ on removing things we're not using | 18:22 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: I think things got brought in due to the crazy deps between projs. | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | i greatly look forward to the no-more-copy-paste days of oslo | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | but i think it's a long ways off | 18:22 |
| bknudson | it might have come from rpc | 18:22 |
| dolphm | bknudson: merge failed | 18:22 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:22 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, ugh | 18:22 |
| bknudson | dolphm: will work on it... must have picked up another change. | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, LOL at your comment. | 18:22 |
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| jamielennox | i have one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1302970 | 18:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1302970 in python-keystoneclient "middleware provides no way to know if a catalog is v2 or v3" [High,Triaged] | 18:23 |
| ayoung | keystone/openstack/common/service.py | 18:23 |
| jamielennox | Has everyone seen this and/or have a good idea how to solve it | 18:23 |
| jamielennox | (came up again now in channeL) | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | can auth_token convert to v2? | 18:23 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: you see this in nova if you switch auth_token to v3 | 18:23 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: yep | 18:24 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: sort of, with a bunch of edge cases | 18:24 |
| jamielennox | there are others that either have the same problem or should do and skip it | 18:24 |
| dolphm | that are unsolveable | 18:24 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, we have logic in the provider that tests | 18:24 |
| ayoung | token provider | 18:24 |
| ayoung | that tests the token for v2/v3 ness | 18:24 |
| bknudson | could middleware provide a service catalog object? | 18:24 |
| bknudson | also, should middleware be requesting no catalog? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | and that logic is getting ported to the client in the revoke code | 18:24 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81166/9/keystoneclient/contrib/revoke/model.py | 18:25 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: it could - long term i would like it just to provide a session | 18:25 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: but so far everything that we pass via auth_token is a string in a header | 18:25 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I like that idea. | 18:25 |
| dolphm | agree | 18:25 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: nocatalog is useful for actually authenticating the auth_token admin user - i don't think so beyond that | 18:26 |
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| bknudson | I guess there are times where a catalog might be useful -- e.g., nova talks to neutron using the user's token, so it should get the neutron endpoint from that token. | 18:26 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: right - that's what we've been telling people to do for ages | 18:27 |
| dolphm | the idea behind nocatalog is that we would shrink token sizes, while providing the catalog through a separate call, e.g. GET /v3/catalog | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, especially if we want to eventually do things like enforcing endpoint usage based upon catalog | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but ... i would say there is a fine line between if that is where we want to go. | 18:27 |
| jamielennox | so we *can* convert the v3 token to a v2 catalog which i guess we probably should for the short term | 18:27 |
| ayoung | catalog should be in the token, but it should be a subset of hte endpoints: only those that the token is valid on | 18:27 |
| dolphm | so auth_token could still provide a catalog, even if all tokens are generated & validated with nocatalog | 18:27 |
| jamielennox | but it's not a great solution | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, doesn't solve token size issues. | 18:27 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, different issue | 18:28 |
| bknudson | we could have GET /v3/catalog with X-Subject-Token | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: ++ | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, token size was postponed due to cutting data out of the catalog | 18:28 |
| ayoung | so we get a little breathing room there | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ah right | 18:28 |
| ayoung | I need to close the loop on compression, though | 18:28 |
| dolphm | bknudson: that'd work | 18:28 |
| ayoung | and tyhat is going to be Juno thing | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: but that doesn't solve how do we provide it to services | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, we could also make the services get a list of endpoints and have the token provide endpoint ids. | 18:29 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, rather than encoding all the data (long term) in the token. with a large enough set of cataloged endpoints, we will still (Even with compression) run into issues with the size | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: that's intruiging... | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | and someone will want a bunch of endpoints... especially if we end up doing the service scoped tokens. | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, ++ | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | since it opens the catalog to non-OS things | 18:30 |
| dstanek | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:30 |
| ayoung | creatre a n "endpoints" collection separate from the service catalog, only has ids in it | 18:30 |
| ayoung | but... | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yep. | 18:30 |
| topol | morganfainberg so whats the flow on your approach? First ask for what and then get what after that? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: you *could* extend pattern to "tokens only contain ID's" -- you have to GET and cache what all the actual objects are if you care about other attributes | 18:30 |
| ayoung | won't work if you want to say "all endpoins for this service" | 18:30 |
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| dolphm | tokens would be as small as possible | 18:31 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: my proposal for that we provide a best-effort v2 catalog if we get a v3 under the normal catalog key, then have a new v3_catalog key with the v3 catalog | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, that was where i was eventually going | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, we could some up with a nomenclature for that. | 18:31 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I could see something like a collection of services, and each with either a specific endpoint or a wildcard | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, yep. | 18:32 |
| ayoung | specific set of endpoints, I guess | 18:32 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: and then we actually have to work with the other projects to get their code using the v3_catalog | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i think we have to do a best-effort v2, i don't want to do a v3_catalog specifically but something where you can tell / use ServiceCatalog.factory() on directly to query | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | with the move to ephemeral tokens i am expecting token versioning to split from API versions, this would be part of token v4 | 18:32 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I like that, too. | 18:32 |
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| jamielennox | bknudson: i'm always trying to stay wary of not having to do this again if we go to a v4 token format | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | or something similar. | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: agree | 18:33 |
| ayoung | can we inject a version into the older versions of the tokens? | 18:33 |
| gyee | would it make more sense to solve the catalog problem in oslo then? | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, we already do. | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, or well we are supposed to. | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: what do you mean version? | 18:33 |
| dolphm | a version of what? the token itself? | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'll make sure we do in the next few patches that do conversion towards ephemeral tokens | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | gyee: no, this is a keystone issue and should be solved in keystoneclitn | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, correct the token should have the token version embeded in it | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, it allows us (and services) to know what to expect when validating | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, notably we can test and gate on preventing token data creep | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, especially moving towards hyper-small tokens (ids only, yes i'm a fan of this even more now) | 18:35 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: we had that and phased it out | 18:35 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, we did? | 18:35 |
| dolphm | ID-only tokens would be significantly less compressible | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | UUIDs | 18:35 |
| topol | morganfainberg, how do you cache the role grant info if Ids only? | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, no the token data would have only ids in it | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | oh endpoint ids in the catalog | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, the idea would be that compressions wouldn't be as important that way. | 18:36 |
| dolphm | topol: the assignment relationship could still appear in the token, but the project name and role names would be excluded, and you'd have to GET them separately | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, correct, and move as much towards id-only for anything in the token data. | 18:36 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: *as* important, but still beneficial! | 18:36 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, yep. | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i'd be interested to see how far you wouuld want that to go - with roles and other things | 18:37 |
| topol | dolphm, are the names so long its worth requiring an extra round trip to get those? | 18:37 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: why not all the way? | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | topol, it falls into the category of only putting relevant data in the token | 18:37 |
| dolphm | topol: but it's a cacheable round trip | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: i mean what does that entail? not providing username and details just a user_id? | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | topol, is there a reason to put the name in there? | 18:37 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: right | 18:37 |
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| jamielennox | dolphm: that would break on any sort of federated case so user is out but interesting | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox, there is evaluation that needs to be done on any item that is ID only, but as far as we can possibly take it | 18:38 |
| topol | morganfainberg, not sure. But was hoping that the reduction would be a big reduction in size | 18:38 |
| ayoung | userid could work | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | topol, it would be cutting as much superfluous data out, anything that isn't justifiably needed (ids are needed, but i don't see names as being needed) would be removed. | 18:39 |
| ayoung | even in federation, lets see what we come up with in the deconflict session... | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | topol, so the size reduction should be significant | 18:39 |
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| morganfainberg | topol, especially cutting the catalog data out. | 18:39 |
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| bknudson | we could switch to a binary format | 18:39 |
| topol | K, but jamielennox concer on breaking federated identity use case still aplies correct? | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | topol, the long-form catalog data* | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | topol, not necessarily.... | 18:40 |
| ayoung | userid for most federated stuff should be superfluous | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i think that would be a logical progression, but i don't want to make tokens too difficult to parse in one-fell-swoop | 18:40 |
| ayoung | it should be almost all role-assignments | 18:40 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: federation is the reason i can't have a /user path so the same would apply - you can't start with an id and get user data for federated idps | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, so incremental - strip data down fix formatting and versioning, evaluate binary et al | 18:40 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, heh, I wanted to give you a /user path. | 18:41 |
| topol | jamielennox ++ | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i know you did - i still want it but it's easier to argue in person | 18:41 |
| dolphm | an ID-only token: https://gist.github.com/dolph/10757712 | 18:41 |
| dolphm | technically you could drop domain scopes as well | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | that is a much more elegant data set imo than our current token format | 18:42 |
| stevemar | dolphm, yeah, they wouldn't be necessary if just using ids | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | you should add a token version in there | 18:42 |
| bknudson | now policy.json has role IDs rather than role names? | 18:42 |
| ayoung | bknudson, nope. It could cache the lookup | 18:43 |
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| bknudson | auth_token? | 18:43 |
| dolphm | trimmed a bit more... https://gist.github.com/dolph/10757712 | 18:43 |
| topol | are there any fields in dolphm's example where we the name would be helpful to stakeholder projects? | 18:43 |
| ayoung | feh...roles should be names, not ids | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | so we keep role names | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | that isn't a big deal. | 18:43 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: versioned | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:43 |
| bknudson | clients will have to do a separate fetch for the endpoints? | 18:44 |
| topol | if the role names arent so bad its nice to have them. | 18:44 |
| dolphm | ayoung: role names are so static that i wouldn't see much benefit to including names over ID's | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, correct you'd need to do a catalog (unprotected) request | 18:44 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i'm assuming clients could do a single separate request for a catalog ^ | 18:45 |
| dstanek | does the client already implement caching? | 18:45 |
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| topol | do we have a command that takes as input passin the id onlu token and return a verbose token for debuggin pruposes? | 18:45 |
| jamielennox | dstanek: for some things, but it's not the granular | 18:45 |
| dolphm | dstanek: not really | 18:46 |
| dolphm | auth_token does some caching, but that's it AFAIK | 18:46 |
| jamielennox | topol: could, i think that's details | 18:46 |
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| dstanek | we could start advocating requests-cache if our cache headers are correct | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, maybe http://pasteraw.com/c0spwqvdtgthup6kchx8njqpof420cv | 18:47 |
| dstanek | then some of the extra lookup requests won't have to happen all of the time | 18:47 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: dreams! | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, we also need to start issuing cache-control headers on our responses imo. | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i like having service_type in the catalog | 18:47 |
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| topol | morganfainberg, love seeing the version attribute | 18:47 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: dstanek: ++ | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | if you only need one you should only need one | 18:47 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the catalog naming is a little funky, but yeah | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sure details to work out | 18:47 |
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| jamielennox | though in which case i'd be interested to see if endpoints could become a dict of lists, rather than list of lists | 18:48 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, instead of catalog it could be services | 18:48 |
| ayoung | then it would make sense | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:48 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: "what if i have two services of the same type in the same region?" | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, compute is a list, you'd have more than one in the list. we support that now, right? | 18:49 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: the problem with indexing by type is that you're implying there's only one service ID of that type - current catalog doesn't have that limitation | 18:49 |
| bknudson | we should be able to use keystone as a load balancer | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, oh i see yeah. | 18:49 |
| dolphm | (although i sort of wish it did limit by region -> service type -> endpoint interface | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, we should also be able to enforce endpoint usage in the token "sorry your token isn't valid for endpoint XXX go somewhere else" | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: that's backwards for hierarchical regions | 18:50 |
| dolphm | i.e. that combination should be unique or you're deployment is super confusing | 18:50 |
| dolphm | your* | 18:50 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: ooh, that's probably true | 18:50 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: that's kind of what OS-EP-FILTER is doing | 18:51 |
| ayoung | all hierarchy resolution for regions should be done on the keystone server before creating the token. | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: maybe that's the point of not putting region in the token though, just id | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, sortof... but not really | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, it doesn't prevent use of an endpoint | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: so when you request the endpoint for a service id you get back the endpoint URL that is appropriate to the region you requested - no more client side region handling | 18:51 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: right; but i think client side enforcement has been proposed somewhere | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, it also means auth_token would need to know it's own id. | 18:52 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yeah, i think this token format opens us up to better be able to do that though. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I've wanted auth_token to have a self_id field for a while now | 18:52 |
| bknudson | auth_token has self_id of what? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that also lets auth_token or comparable request the policy file: | 18:53 |
| bknudson | its user? | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | I want GET /policy/endpoint/<id> or something | 18:53 |
| ayoung | and endpoint gets resolved to service | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it's endpoint id? | 18:53 |
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| bknudson | ahh. | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | s/it's/its | 18:54 |
| jamielennox | yea, i misread that as token has a self_id | 18:54 |
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| bknudson | a) might not be an endpoint for the service ... b) could have multiple endpoints? | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, are we planing on deprecating the templated catalog? | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | fwiw, raw token struct (excluding signature) is 630 bytes without compression, 239 bytes with compression | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | for the ID-only token example | 18:55 |
| topol | dolphm that is nice | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, that is _way_ better | 18:56 |
| dolphm | ooh, that also includes whitespace! | 18:56 |
| dolphm | our tokens don't have any | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | i think it'll need more but yea that's good | 18:56 |
| topol | just hope that the less info doesnt cause folks to grumble | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | topol, i think most people treat tokens as opaque blobs | 18:56 |
| bknudson | is that compressed to binary or base64 or something? | 18:56 |
| topol | morganfainberg, good to hear | 18:56 |
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| dolphm | so 352 -> 239 without excessive whitespace | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | topol, this also allows us to provide clear external token validators "is this a version X token" | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | bknudson we need to be able to assign policy files to a)endpoints, b)all endpoint of a services c)something based on regions | 18:57 |
| dstanek | dolphm: that's impressive | 18:57 |
| ayoung | bknudson, maybe other divisions as well | 18:57 |
| topol | morganfainberg, I love the versioning!!! | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, we could ditch json and go binary (as bknudson pointed out) might be even better then | 18:58 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I don't think JSON adds that much once you drop whitespace. I'd not want to get into the parsing business | 18:58 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: that'd be worth prototyping | 18:58 |
| topol | if you go binary then trying to visually inspect a token in like curl examples become not possible correct? | 18:58 |
| dolphm | time! | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | this is a case where something like a protobuf would be nice. it would allow all languages to grab token data quickly | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, wow meeting went fast. | 18:59 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 18:59:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-15-18.03.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-15-18.03.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-04-15-18.03.log.html | 18:59 |
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| jeblair | anyone around for an infra meeting? | 19:00 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | clarkb, mordred, pleia2: ? | 19:00 |
| sweston | Greetings! | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | ianw: ping | 19:01 |
| ianw | jeblair: hi | 19:01 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 19:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | agenda: | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:02 |
| jeblair | last meeting: | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-08-19.01.html | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| jeblair | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-April/000608.html | 19:03 |
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| jeblair | the item was: jeblair send revised repo rename list to tc | 19:03 |
| jeblair | i did that, and as you can see the tc was wildly enthusiastic. | 19:03 |
| jeblair | i'm going to interpret that as no one having any objections and we should move forward | 19:03 |
| jeblair | so i'll put those on the rename list | 19:03 |
| jeblair | mordred make an abbreviated projects.yaml with only projects using storyboard as their primary tracker | 19:04 |
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| mordred | done | 19:04 |
| jeblair | woo! | 19:04 |
| mordred | or, rather | 19:04 |
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| mordred | implemented differently | 19:04 |
| mordred | added storyboard flag to existing projects.yaml list | 19:04 |
| jeblair | the outcome is there -- it is not confusing to know where to report bugs now :) | 19:04 |
| jeblair | nibalizer write lp->storyboard migration script | 19:04 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | I know nibalizer has been poking at getting a storyboard running for testing | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | but apparently the puppet was giving him a hard time, I didn't have any inside info for him though | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | okay cool. i think we'll want to use something like that for zuul | 19:06 |
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| krotscheck | I helped him out a little this morning, but he was on the bus and never got back to me. | 19:06 |
| jeblair | we should probably file a story about that actually | 19:07 |
| krotscheck | If only we had a place to file stories. | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | and assign it to him | 19:08 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:08 |
| jeblair | #topic Gerrit 2.8 upgrade | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gerrit 2.8 upgrade (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| jeblair | so this is coming up soon | 19:08 |
| jeblair | i'd like to do a few things: | 19:08 |
| jeblair | 1) review the list of outstanding changes and poke infra-core to merge whatever is safe now | 19:09 |
| jeblair | 2) make any outstanding decisions that we haven't gotten around to making | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | 3) schedule a time | 19:09 |
| jeblair | 4) start sending announcements | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | zaro: do you have an etherpad to help with the first 2 items? | 19:09 |
| aburaschi | (hi) | 19:09 |
| zaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/remaining-gerrit-upgrade-changes | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | mordred: oh, the 2.8 branch isn't updating because of manage projects, right? | 19:11 |
| zaro | i wasn't sure if 1st item on the list is needed. | 19:11 |
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| nibalizer | ohai | 19:11 |
| zaro | but i think we need so we can test review-dev with jenkins. | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jeblair: correct | 19:11 |
| mordred | jeblair: that's right | 19:11 |
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| zaro | i'm working on verifying that puppet can deploy review-dev.o.o. I don't have it quite working yet. | 19:12 |
| jeblair | mordred: is there a way to run just the remote tracking bit? | 19:12 |
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| mordred | jeblair: it's on the todo list to fully split that out - but I could make a patch to make a flag to do that pretty easily | 19:12 |
| mordred | jeblair: I can prioritize that | 19:12 |
| zaro | puppet will install gerrit and it looks like it starts without problem, but i can't access the site. I think it's the apache stuff that's not quite setup right. | 19:12 |
| jeblair | zaro: i know this is required: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60893 (Allow encoded path separators in URLs) | 19:13 |
| jeblair | zaro: it will manifest as permission denied errors if you try to look at any change | 19:13 |
| jeblair | zaro: i believe that's applied manually on review-dev right now | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | zaro: I'm seing review-dev as up | 19:14 |
| zaro | yeah, it's on there to approve before upgrade | 19:14 |
| zaro | nibalizer: i'm testing on my personal VM | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | zaro: oh okay | 19:15 |
| zaro | jeblair: i have that change on my test vm | 19:15 |
| zaro | i can't access http://host | 19:15 |
| jeblair | zaro: ok, hrm. well, we should start prioritizing fixing this now to make sure we're ready | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | zaro: so feel free to bug us for help if you get stuck :) | 19:16 |
| zaro | actually it says web page not available. i need help with it. | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | ttx: the 'off week' is april 28 - may 2, right? | 19:17 |
| ttx | yes | 19:17 |
| zaro | anyways i think etherpad has all the tasks that's necessary to do the upgrade. anyone see anything missing? | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | good, that's when I'm away ;) | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I am away that week too :) | 19:18 |
| ttx | pleia2: same here :) | 19:18 |
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| * mordred will be here | 19:18 | |
| jeblair | right, but fungi, mordred, and zaro are around, right? | 19:18 |
| jeblair | i mean, that's like right when fungi gets back, but still... :) | 19:18 |
| mordred | yah - fungi is gone now, which I believe puts him back by that week | 19:18 |
| jeblair | so should we just get started first thing monday morning? | 19:19 |
| zaro | i'm around | 19:19 |
| mordred | jeblair: works for me | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | yup fungi should be back during off week | 19:19 |
| zaro | my announcement says gerrit upgrade to happen 5/1-5/7. isn't that the off week? | 19:20 |
| zaro | yup, that's what it says https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 19:20 |
| jeblair | zaro: april 28 - may 2; ttx names weeks by their thursdays | 19:20 |
| * mordred thinks ttx is strange | 19:21 | |
| zaro | ok, fine by me | 19:21 |
| jeblair | okay, so we'll start at, oh, 9am pdt april 28 | 19:21 |
| zaro | better for me anyways | 19:21 |
| ttx | mordred: that's another weird thing we inherited from ubuntu | 19:22 |
| ttx | (release days are on Thursdays, so weeks are name after Thursdays too) | 19:22 |
| jeblair | i think the announcement should probably tell people to expect a couple hours of downtime followed by several more hours of automated systems not quite working, but they shouldn't notice because they should all be on vacation. ;) | 19:22 |
| mordred | OpenStack: the love child of Ubuntu and Drizzle ... | 19:22 |
| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | zaro: are you interested in writing/sending the announcements? | 19:23 |
| zaro | jeblair: can do. | 19:23 |
| mordred | in a perfect world, do we have any idea how much downtime we actually expect? | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | zaro: cool; if you don't mind, write up a draft in an etherpad and we can review it before you send it | 19:24 |
| mordred | I mean, annoucing a couple of hours sounds great- just curious if we have a sense of the actual or not | 19:24 |
| jeblair | (these should be a bit more formal and we'll want to make sure they are correct) | 19:24 |
| jeblair | zaro: do you know how long schema upgrades and secondary indexing might take? | 19:24 |
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| zaro | there are manual steps to upgrade the db, so i'm guessing probably 4 hrs. | 19:25 |
| jeblair | zaro: did we get you a production dump to test that with? | 19:25 |
| zaro | yes, fugi provided and i believe i have tested. | 19:26 |
| jeblair | how long did that take to convert? | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | also... | 19:26 |
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| zaro | last i tested everything it was ver 2.8.1, now it's 2.8.4. not sure if it's worth retesting? | 19:27 |
| jeblair | i'm thinking we should implement this by spinning up a new host | 19:27 |
| zaro | conversion is pretty quick. | 19:27 |
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| zaro | i believe it was matter of a few mins. | 19:27 |
| jeblair | so hopefully actual downtime should be short, unless the initial indexing (for the secondary index) is very slow | 19:28 |
| mordred | jeblair: perhaps we should test by having one of us who hasn't done any of the upgrades yet try to perform one on a new copy host based on instructions from zaro and see how it goes? | 19:29 |
| jeblair | our current gerrit host is very old; we should get a new one that's a performance pvhvm node | 19:29 |
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| mordred | jeblair: ++ to pvhvm | 19:29 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | mordred: that would be swell; are you volunteering? :) note that if anyone spins up a second gerrit with the production data, you should probably take care to make sure no email leaves the machine; just in case | 19:30 |
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| mordred | jeblair: yeah - I'll take a stab at it | 19:31 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:31 |
| jeblair | #action mordred to test zaro's gerrit upgrade instructions (with timing info) | 19:31 |
| zaro | mordred: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit_upgrade_script | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | anything else on the gerrit upgrade? we'll do one more checkin next week, and then the upgrade itself is the following week | 19:32 |
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| zaro | jeblair: did you see the gerritlib part? | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | zaro: yeah, remind me this afternoon and i'll tag a release | 19:33 |
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| zaro | we also need an infra-core to update openstack/2.8 branch | 19:34 |
| zaro | any volunteers? | 19:34 |
| jeblair | zaro: mordred is going to take care of that | 19:34 |
| sweston | I have been working quite a lot with the gerrit upgrade as well in my own environment, so I might be helpful as well. I will be available in infra (most of the time) if anyone thinks of something a relative noob can do. | 19:34 |
| mordred | sweston: awesome, thanks! | 19:34 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:34 |
| zaro | sweston: will be in touch | 19:34 |
| jeblair | oh, i just thought of something else... | 19:34 |
| jeblair | two things actually... | 19:35 |
| jeblair | zaro: what's your thought on workflow-label vs wip plugin? | 19:35 |
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| sweston | zaro, mordred: glad to help out in any way I can ;-) | 19:35 |
| jeblair | zaro: i'm guessing it's "stick with workflow-label" since we're getting close and wip doesn't look like it's installed on review-dev; but wanted to double check. | 19:36 |
| zaro | IMO i think label makes a lot of sense because it just works with everything else. | 19:36 |
| zaro | i mean like the prolog rules | 19:36 |
| zaro | and searching | 19:36 |
| jeblair | the second thing is, we should have some documentation to help devs with the changes. in particular, we need something on the workflow label, and probably something about how to make custom dashboards | 19:37 |
| zaro | WIP is not available on 2.8 | 19:37 |
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| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 19:37 |
| jeblair | sweston: do you think you could pitch in there? | 19:37 |
| zaro | is that something that would be on openstack wiki? | 19:37 |
| jeblair | zaro: yes, i think so | 19:37 |
| sweston | jeblair: absolutely!! | 19:38 |
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| mordred | jeblair: wiki or ci.o.o ? | 19:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: wiki for now i think | 19:38 |
| mordred | nod | 19:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: i still need to finish my "user manual" idea, when i do, it should go there, but right now i think the most appropriate place for this stuff is the wiki | 19:39 |
| sweston | documentation is fairly sparse as it is, I found myself reading through a lot of java code to figure things out. Any time that I could save for anyone else would be a bonus. | 19:39 |
| jeblair | and we'll like to it in the later announcements | 19:39 |
| jeblair | link to it | 19:39 |
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| jeblair | zaro: thanks again for working on this | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | #topic Fedora gate support (ianw) | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | ianw: any introductory remarks before we dig into the subtopics? | 19:41 |
| ianw | hi; a quick procedural thing, are we supposed to remove items from the agenda on the wiki manually? i had thought they got reset each week | 19:41 |
| ianw | really, the only thing I want to bring up this week is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86842/ | 19:42 |
| jeblair | ianw: heh, i try to clean it up sometimes, but i missed last weeks meeting and didn't notice this was on the agenda. :) | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | I wasn't around much last week, but I'll be catching up with fedora stuff and doing reviews this week and next | 19:42 |
| ianw | Derek and I both tested manual installs and it seemed ok | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | great | 19:43 |
| jeblair | cool, well if those things are already decided... | 19:43 |
| ianw | pleia2: ok, if review of that is on your todo list, all good | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | #topic Open discussion | 19:43 |
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| pleia2 | ianw: it is now, thanks for mentioning it :) | 19:43 |
| sdague | ianw: is there a proposed commit to put this on devstack in experimental or non voting? | 19:43 |
| sdague | I'd like to start running it on devstack as soon as we can to shake out issues | 19:44 |
| ianw | sdague: not yet, i just wanted to make sure someone was looking at adding f20 to nodepool, then we can do that | 19:44 |
| sdague | cool, great | 19:44 |
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| jeblair | those infra-root folks are still changing all of our credentials for everything, so we're going to be less responsive than usual for the next bit; patience there would be appreciated | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | and the best way to help is to review infra/config changes so that when we get back to it, we can just approve them without thinking about them because they have so many +1s :) | 19:45 |
| nibalizer | im still woring on storyboard migration, still stuck on getting a local dev up | 19:45 |
| nibalizer | im picking krotscheck's brain for tips and have some things to try when I get home | 19:46 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: thanks for doing that | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | ya, as i said earlier this morning I'm thinking right now that there is state on storyboard.o.o thats not expressed in the puppet code, or that I'm not aware of, since I'm running basically that and its no-worky | 19:47 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: :( that's definitely not what we want. | 19:48 |
| mordred | agree | 19:48 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: let me know if there's anything i can check on the prod server | 19:48 |
| mordred | nibalizer: one thing - I assume you've created the db? | 19:48 |
| mordred | we dont' create it in the puppet because we're using cloud databases for the storyboard server | 19:48 |
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| nibalizer | actually we do create the db, or we do a db-migrate thing in puppet | 19:49 |
| nibalizer | we do an 'update head' | 19:49 |
| mordred | we do - but that doesn't create the _Schema_ - just the tables in teh schema | 19:49 |
| nibalizer | hrm maybe this is the problem! | 19:49 |
| nibalizer | no need to chew up more meeting time tho | 19:50 |
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| nibalizer | we can follow up tonight when im on my home workstation | 19:50 |
| mordred | kk | 19:50 |
| reterdedddd | hello guys | 19:50 |
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| sdague | jeblair: any thoughts about if there are additional infra sessions for design summit you want proposed? | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | reterdedddd: o/ | 19:51 |
| reterdedddd | im back on freenode | 19:51 |
| reterdedddd | but where is freenode | 19:51 |
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| jeblair | sdague: ttx or krotscheck is going to propose a storyboard session | 19:52 |
| nibalizer | are the sessions going to be livestreamed? | 19:52 |
| sdague | nibalizer: not design summit | 19:53 |
| nibalizer | okay thanks | 19:53 |
| sdague | jeblair: do we want to talk about multinode nodepool ? | 19:53 |
| sdague | now that that is close to a thing | 19:53 |
| retardedd_polish | im not clone ;_; | 19:54 |
| jeblair | we might want to talk about the direction of the config repo (how to make it a better upstream, etc)... | 19:54 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:54 |
| nibalizer | i would like to see the storyboard module split out into its own module that we then bring in | 19:54 |
| nibalizer | not sure if there is precedent for that | 19:54 |
| jeblair | nibalizer: there absolutely is; we want that for pretty much all of our modules | 19:55 |
| mordred | nibalizer: that's actually a long-standing todo list to do more of | 19:55 |
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| nibalizer | woot, i'll follow up with you all later on how to requistion a new gerrit repo to plop it into | 19:55 |
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| mordred | we stalled on it a little bit due to there not being spectacular ways to automatically upload to pupept forge | 19:55 |
| jesusaurus | mordred: jeblair: whats preventing it from happening for most of the modules? | 19:55 |
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| jeblair | jesusaurus: people need to type things to make it happen, and also what mordred said about uploading | 19:56 |
| clarkb | I think cleanup is a big part of it | 19:56 |
| mordred | jesusaurus: puppetforge upload automation OR a better way to pull things in which is not puppet forge that doesn't involve crazy complex new things | 19:56 |
| clarkb | we need to do the decoupling | 19:56 |
| mordred | and cleanup | 19:56 |
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| mordred | defeinitely cleanup :) | 19:56 |
| sdague | yeh, there is definitely a lot of coupling today | 19:56 |
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| mordred | but in general - highly supportive of the effort | 19:56 |
| retardedd_polish | which server is good? | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | ya thats a big project, but a fun one I think | 19:56 |
| * jesusaurus puts seperating out modules at the bottom of his todo list | 19:57 | |
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| krotscheck | nibalizer: What are you thinking, something like storyboard::api, storyboard::db, storyboard::webclient? | 20:00 |
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| retardedd_polish | fuck NSA | 20:00 |
| jeblair | thanks all! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 20:00:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-15-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-15-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-04-15-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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| pleia2 | thanks jeblair | 20:01 |
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| retardedd_polish | install gentoo | 20:01 |
| ttx | Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmc | yo | 20:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 20:01 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 20:01 |
| retardedd_polish | p/ | 20:01 |
| jeblair | o/ | 20:01 |
| retardedd_polish | o/ | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:02 |
| retardedd_polish | fail man | 20:02 |
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| hub_cap | fitting :) | 20:02 |
| annegentle | hey | 20:02 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:02 |
| _nadya_ | hi | 20:02 |
| retardedd_polish | what are you thinking about linux mint with mate | 20:02 |
| ildikov | o/ | 20:02 |
| retardedd_polish | o/ | 20:03 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 20:03:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| retardedd_polish | stop lough'im retard | 20:03 |
| ttx | This is the last TC meeting for the Icehouse membership | 20:04 |
| ttx | Was great working with you all. | 20:04 |
| mikal | :) | 20:04 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:04 |
| retardedd_polish | yeah i love you guys | 20:04 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:04 |
| ttx | #topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Gap analysis for Trove | 20:04 |
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| hub_cap | horray :) | 20:04 |
| ttx | hub_cap: o/ | 20:04 |
| retardedd_polish | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5ukMJO2cY | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | aye | 20:05 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TroveIntegrationRequirements | 20:05 |
| retardedd_polish | o/ | 20:05 |
| retardedd_polish | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5ukMJO2cY | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | so um, we gonan kick this guy or what? | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | *gonna | 20:05 |
| russellb | everyone have their nick registered? kick and mode +r ... | 20:05 |
| ttx | punishment is coming, jeblair on it | 20:05 |
| russellb | k | 20:05 |
| mikal | Is jeblair assembling power tools? | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | russellb: ++ | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | mikal: hes assembling devastator | 20:06 |
| ttx | apparently webclient gets in his way | 20:06 |
| eglynn | ... just /ignore ? | 20:06 |
| retardedd_polish | im sorry guys yoiu know im love you ;((( | 20:06 |
| mikal | webclient was the worst deceptacon | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | uh oh, the ((( give him away!! | 20:06 |
| retardedd_polish | nobody like me | 20:07 |
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| hub_cap | so anyway, lets talk trove | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | we have gaps, lets analyze them | 20:07 |
| mikal | To the gaps! | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | i will do my best to mind them | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | and make SlickNik mend them | 20:07 |
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| * SlickNik is listening intently | 20:08 | |
| russellb | hub_cap: who makes up your core team? | 20:08 |
| russellb | company wise | 20:08 |
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| hub_cap | ebay, hp, rax | 20:08 |
| russellb | nice | 20:08 |
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| hub_cap | yea, ill admit core needs to grow | 20:09 |
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| hub_cap | hip hip horray | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | 3 cheers for jeblair | 20:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | heh | 20:09 |
| SlickNik | russellb / hub_cap: We definitely need to grow the core team. | 20:09 |
| ttx | his wrath is slow but thorough | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | HAH | 20:09 |
| russellb | looks like your review wait times are a little above average | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | russellb: yes a good bit | 20:09 |
| sdague | hub_cap: the qa gap I think is nicely identified there. Mostly trove is kind of light at the moment in that regard. | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | partially due to the core team size | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | sdague: yes its been a new thing (thx to SlickNik ) | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | in honestly sdague, we have a decent ammt of nonstandard tests we still rely on | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | so its not as if its not there, its just not in the right place, so to speak | 20:10 |
| sdague | hub_cap: right, it would be better to get that focus in the upstream process though | 20:10 |
| SlickNik | sdague: I'm working with a few folks to get more of the trove integration tests into Tempest. | 20:10 |
| sdague | SlickNik: great | 20:10 |
| russellb | that a priority for juno? | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | SlickNik: ? ;) | 20:11 |
| SlickNik | russellb: Yes | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | my guess is its one o the highest prios | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | since weve been bitten by the lack of them a good bit | 20:11 |
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| SlickNik | Another item is figuring out the upgrade testing plan since we don't do any of that currently. | 20:12 |
| * hub_cap assumes people are reading the sparse wiki | 20:12 | |
| russellb | yep, that's pretty important | 20:12 |
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| jeblair | hub_cap: do you think we can eventually get rid of reddwarf ci? | 20:12 |
| russellb | looks like the wiki doesn't include all of the requirements | 20:12 |
| russellb | like the API section, for example | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | jeblair: since day one i want to get rid of all of that ci _and_ trove-integration | 20:13 |
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| hub_cap | fyi: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/295 | 20:13 |
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| russellb | did you guys only include sections you had comments about? | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | a talk on test req's | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | yea im sorry for not doing it rigth russellb | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | i mustve missed that.. i did the gaps only | 20:13 |
| russellb | that's fine | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | assume the rest o' it is there, and stable | 20:13 |
| ttx | so it looks like we have the same gaps as Ceilometer (integration tests and docs) | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | as per the api, ive even backed out a change to the api that caused a "change" | 20:14 |
| russellb | so REST API is stable? | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | that was a while ago | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | yes, no changes in icehouse | 20:14 |
| markmc | you've a pretty massive list of blueprints - 122 bps open | 20:14 |
| jeblair | hub_cap: cool; i think you've made a lot of progress; just wantod to make sure you thought it was still feasible and you are working toward it | 20:14 |
| russellb | k, sounds good then | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | sans the KILL XML DED part | 20:14 |
| markmc | how are you finding the blueprint process? | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | jeblair: 100% | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | markmc: wlel we are doing monday bp rallys | 20:14 |
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| hub_cap | and we pick them and discuss them before anyone even sets a line o code down | 20:14 |
| ttx | hub_cap: could you give us your plans for trove-integration in Juno ? | 20:14 |
| markmc | are your blueprints too fine grained, too future looking, or it's a good reflection what you hope to do in the next release? | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | for instance, someone wanted to do a shadow tenant | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | and i asked him to talk to nova about managed vms, or whatever we wanted to call them | 20:15 |
| sdague | yeh, just on a personal note, I want to say SlickNik was super responsive in helping get all the requirements issues closed at end of cycle so we could have trove in the main job and requirements enforced | 20:15 |
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| hub_cap | and there was already functionality to do something like this markmc | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | so we killed his bp, no code written.. that was, what 2 wks ago SlickNik ? | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | we have a blueprint format | 20:15 |
| SlickNik | hub_cap: Yes. | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | and we wont even look at a BP if it doesnt match the format | 20:15 |
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| hub_cap | and SURE wont accept it | 20:15 |
| SlickNik | markmc: Historically we've had problems with not enough info in the bps. | 20:15 |
| russellb | SlickNik: that's been a common problem | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | sdague: SlickNik is the bomb | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | we are having a good cadence tho w/ them, we get thru avg 4/ meeting | 20:16 |
| SlickNik | markmc: We've moved to a template format (on the wiki) for new bp proposals. | 20:16 |
| markmc | so a large number of bps are coming from folks outside of the core team? | 20:16 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TroveBlueprint | 20:16 |
| markmc | nice template | 20:17 |
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| hub_cap | markmc: most of them are | 20:17 |
| SlickNik | markmc: Yes, bps are coming from all contributors. | 20:17 |
| * devananda likes the idea of a bp template | 20:17 | |
| hub_cap | we are in more of a code review / bp review / bug triage / code cycle | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | do you have an specific plans to increase the core team size? | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | in that order | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | dhellmann: we want to see more meaningful contributions, as well as meaningful reviews | 20:18 |
| markmc | I guess it's a pretty weird time to look at the blueprints list - i.e. not having a plan in place for juno yet | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | and then yes | 20:18 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: could you give us your plans for trove-integration in Juno ? | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | ttx, can i defer to SlickNik for that? | 20:18 |
| ttx | sure | 20:18 |
| * hub_cap puts SlickNik on the spot! | 20:18 | |
| russellb | looks like about 1/4 of your bugs are untriaged | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | if yall dnt konw, SlickNik is the new ptl | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | hub_cap: sure, I was selfishly asking for hints on how to attract people to do those things :-) | 20:18 |
| russellb | that's only 34 bugs untriaged, so should be easy to clean up | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | dhellmann: heh, if i had the answers id have a bigger core team ;) | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | hub_cap: fair point | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | russellb: yes thats something that i think very few people are doing | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | dhellmann: i admit its a weak point for trove tho | 20:19 |
| SlickNik | ttx: I'm looking to move _most_ API tests out of trove-integration into Tempest. | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | our core team is VERY small compared to others | 20:19 |
| russellb | should look at core team size compared to patch volume though | 20:19 |
| ttx | SlickNik: would the trove-integration repo become obsolete ? | 20:19 |
| russellb | i think the key data is being above average on review times | 20:19 |
| SlickNik | ttx: there's still some white box, system tests, that Tempest is not the right place for (imho). We might have to transition these to a different jenkins job running in openstack-ci. | 20:19 |
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| SlickNik | ttx: It will take a fair bit of work with QA to get to a point where trove-integration is not needed anymore. | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | russellb: good point.. and we are below avg there | 20:21 |
| sdague | SlickNik: sure, a functional test job in ci is probably a possibility | 20:21 |
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| SlickNik | ttx: It's a top priority and we're moving towards it, but I don't know if we will be able to get it _all_ done in Juno. | 20:22 |
| SlickNik | russellb: ++ | 20:22 |
| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:22 |
| jeblair | SlickNik, sdague: yeah, i think a functional job is great if you need it | 20:22 |
| ttx | OK, we should wrap up | 20:22 |
| mordred | SlickNik: you should check out the swift functional job at some point | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | yea last time we spoke w/ infra they wanted _some_ tempest tests first | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | and i agreed w/ their thoughts | 20:23 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | so we kept our hobbily jenkins :P | 20:23 |
| sdague | :) | 20:23 |
| ttx | #agreed Trove needs to move integrations tests to Tempest | 20:23 |
| SlickNik | russellb: I might have to pick your brain a bit to figure out ways to achieve that. :) | 20:23 |
| annegentle | hobbity | 20:23 |
| ttx | #agreed Trove needs to work on documentation during the juno cycle | 20:23 |
| ttx | anything else ? | 20:23 |
| russellb | SlickNik: if only there were magic bullets :-) but yes, more than happy to talk! | 20:23 |
| annegentle | ttx: we do have an install patch in review, kudos for that | 20:24 |
| jeblair | ttx: i'd like to call out deprecating reddwarf ci explicitly | 20:24 |
| devananda | SlickNik: we've also been doing a lot to get functinal testing for ironic into openstack-ci, happy to share what we've done | 20:24 |
| ttx | #agreed Trove needs to depercate reddwarf ci | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | ++ to both | 20:24 |
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| SlickNik | devananda: ++ I'll touch base with you offline regarding this. | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | cool. so are we saved by the bell then? | 20:25 |
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| hub_cap | we know our gaps are CI, docs, and core team growth (due to review times) | 20:26 |
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| ttx | OK, anything else on that topic ? | 20:26 |
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| hub_cap | plz feel free to blame SlickNik for anything not done in juno | 20:26 |
| ttx | we will. | 20:26 |
| ttx | eglynn, jd__: around ? | 20:27 |
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| hub_cap | haha | 20:27 |
| * eglynn nods | 20:27 | |
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| ttx | #topic Integrated projects and new requirements: Review Ceilometer plan to cover gap | 20:27 |
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| ttx | eglynn, o/ | 20:27 |
| ttx | Last week we did a gap anaylsis at: | 20:27 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-integrated-requirements | 20:27 |
| eglynn | cool, floor is mine? | 20:27 |
| ttx | Three gaps were identified: program mission statement, integration tests and documentation | 20:27 |
| SlickNik | Thanks for the discussion regarding trove! | 20:27 |
| ttx | One concern was raised: SQLA not being recommended in production but still being the only backend tested in gate | 20:28 |
| markmc | another new PTL :) | 20:28 |
| eglynn | k, here's the high-level plan to address the specific concerns raised by the TC last week | 20:28 |
| ttx | eglynn: what is your plan to address those gaps ? | 20:28 |
| eglynn | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-integration-gap-analysis-coverage-plan | 20:28 |
| eglynn | idea is to have a designated owner to drive the actions for each specific item | 20:28 |
| eglynn | ... and a corresponding summit session proposed if required | 20:28 |
| eglynn | maybe go thru' the concerns one by one? | 20:29 |
| mordred | I approve of explicitly calling out talking to Mike Bayer on sqla | 20:29 |
| ttx | eglynn: no, we can read | 20:29 |
| sdague | yeh, that will be great | 20:29 |
| eglynn | mordred: hat tip to ildikov on that | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: he'll be there a couple of days, so there will be time outside of sessions, too | 20:29 |
| eglynn | cool | 20:29 |
| ildikov | and also many thanks to dhellmann for organizing this | 20:30 |
| eglynn | +1 | 20:30 |
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| ttx | now.. am I the only one not knowing Mike Bayer ? | 20:30 |
| eglynn | ... so concern #1 was straight-forward, we hacked out a formula of words on etherpad, now out for review on gerrit | 20:30 |
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| mordred | ttx: author of sqlalchemy | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | ildikov: make sure you have notes added to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-bayer so we don't overlook it during the session | 20:30 |
| eglynn | ttx: you know of his works ;) | 20:30 |
| ttx | mordred: ah. That could help | 20:30 |
| ildikov | dhellmann: sure, will do, thanks for reminding | 20:31 |
| ttx | I like this plan | 20:31 |
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| eglynn | ttx: cool | 20:31 |
| sdague | eglynn: on the test strategies front, there was something that was proposed back in portland about having some ceilometer tests that happen around existing tests (as decorators) to track resource expectations. I think that got lost along the way. | 20:31 |
| ttx | Seems like the concerns are taken into account and a plan is in place to address them in Juno | 20:31 |
| sdague | is that somethign appropriate for the 152 session? | 20:31 |
| eglynn | sdague: yes, good point, will add | 20:32 |
| sdague | otherwise, I'm pretty happy with the plan | 20:32 |
| eglynn | note BTW that items #3 & #4 are somewhat intertwined | 20:32 |
| ttx | Everyone else happy with the plan as spelled ? | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | yes, this looks it covers the concerns | 20:32 |
| russellb | yep no concerns, seems well organized | 20:33 |
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| jeblair | looks good | 20:33 |
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| ttx | #info Proposed plan covers identified gaps. TC will check on progress on that plan during the Juno cycle. | 20:33 |
| markmcclain | coverage looks good do we want any estimated delivery dates? | 20:34 |
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| russellb | some of it probably OK to be just "juno" | 20:34 |
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| eglynn | markmcclain: a bit premature yet to tie to milestones, but I definitely want to frontload the tempest work | 20:34 |
| russellb | i'd think the QA things we'd want earlier | 20:34 |
| russellb | eglynn: nice :) | 20:34 |
| ttx | at this point, I'll take "juno" | 20:34 |
| eglynn | cool | 20:35 |
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| ttx | but post design summit would be good to have blueprints and milestone targets for those yes | 20:35 |
| jeblair | ttx: ++ | 20:35 |
| eglynn | ttx: aggreed | 20:35 |
| ttx | eglynn: just add to the same etherpad | 20:35 |
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| ttx | we'll reuse it to follow progress | 20:35 |
| eglynn | ttx: will do | 20:35 |
| ttx | anything else on that topic ? | 20:35 |
| ttx | #topic Moving projects around (jeblair) | 20:36 |
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| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-April/000608.html | 20:36 |
| ttx | jeblair: you wanted this to be blessed by the TC ? | 20:36 |
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| russellb | sounds fine to me | 20:37 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 20:37 |
| sdague | +1 | 20:37 |
| ttx | +1 | 20:37 |
| markmc | yeah, me too | 20:37 |
| markmc | the gantt thing is a bit weird, but fine ... | 20:37 |
| mordred | +1 | 20:37 |
| russellb | sigh @ gantt | 20:37 |
| russellb | i'd love to just remove it honestly | 20:38 |
| mikal | +1 | 20:38 |
| russellb | and if/when a splitout happens, give it a new name | 20:38 |
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| russellb | so it's not associated with this past effort that completely fell apart | 20:38 |
| annegentle | sounds fine and I like your use of mothballing | 20:38 |
| jeblair | yeah, we're trying to make it the least bad for everyone, within the constraints that we have | 20:38 |
| vishy | +1 | 20:38 |
| vishy | russellb: what happened with gantt? | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | if we mothball gantt does that just mean its replacement needs a different name? | 20:39 |
| jeblair | but one of those is don't delete history, so that approach with gantt seemed like the best way to go | 20:39 |
| jgriffith | +1 | 20:39 |
| vishy | not enough people working on it? | 20:39 |
| russellb | vishy: that's part of it, yes | 20:39 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: no, we actually want to leave it where it is but read-only so that we can reuse the name | 20:39 |
| russellb | don't want to get too sidetracked | 20:39 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: we can do a keystone-lite style switcheroo | 20:39 |
| dhellmann | jeblair: right, I was responding to russellb's suggestion of deleting it | 20:39 |
| russellb | can give more detail later though | 20:39 |
| vishy | k | 20:40 |
| ttx | read-onlying it is probably a good first step | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if it's going to be confusing to have another gantt in the future, but whatever | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | +1 to the plan as written | 20:40 |
| russellb | yep, i'm fine with the proposed plan for gantt | 20:40 |
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| ttx | if we realize we don't need it we could -attic it | 20:40 |
| russellb | right | 20:40 |
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| jeblair | cool. and yeah, its not closing any doors on gantt if we change our minds later | 20:40 |
| ttx | jeblair: you got enough love, shall we move on to next topic ? | 20:41 |
| jeblair | i'll go ahead and put those renames on our list for the next downtime then. thanks :) | 20:41 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project workshops at the summit (russellb) | 20:41 |
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| russellb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/JunoCrossProjectDesignSummitTrackReview | 20:41 |
| russellb | thanks to the folks that helped by voting on sessions | 20:41 |
| russellb | if you scroll to line 36 or so you'll see the proposed set | 20:41 |
| ttx | I think we mostly agreed anyway | 20:41 |
| russellb | based on the results, i went ahead and approved 1 through 17 | 20:41 |
| russellb | and rejected 22 to the end | 20:42 |
| russellb | question for today is what to do with the middle ones | 20:42 |
| ttx | there is just a bit of uncertainty between giving 2 slots to more sessions, or accepting more | 20:42 |
| russellb | right | 20:42 |
| russellb | i think my opinion is just give 2 slots to the ones marked as such | 20:42 |
| ttx | russellb: I think 18 and 19 are covered if we give a double-session to 11 | 20:42 |
| russellb | any opinions otherwise? one of the middle ones you really want to have? | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | does that leave 21 out? (python 3)? | 20:43 |
| russellb | ttx: yes that's a good point | 20:43 |
| russellb | dhellmann: yes, right now | 20:43 |
| russellb | if we take python 3, we have to drop the [x2] by something | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | I would like to have some sort of session so the team that is working on that will be able to land incremental patches -- moving "all at once" is not a realistic plan for the amount of work they have to do | 20:43 |
| russellb | maybe #9 ... | 20:43 |
| sdague | double slot on 16 seems a little odd, given that it wasn't strongly voted for | 20:43 |
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| markmc | sad the python3 talk has so little in the description | 20:44 |
| jeblair | sdague: that's just what i was thinking | 20:44 |
| markmc | maybe we just assume that gets sorted before the session? | 20:44 |
| markmc | that there will be useful stuff worth discussing? | 20:44 |
| ttx | sdague: yeah, my fault. I think if that session works they will need 2 slots | 20:44 |
| annegentle | does talking longer than 40 minutes really help get decisions? | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | markmc: yeah, I can push zul and haypo on that | 20:44 |
| annegentle | or does it help with listing tasks? | 20:44 |
| ttx | if it doesn't and they don't converge, probably not | 20:44 |
| ttx | annegentle: some topics are very broad, like SDKs / libraries / openstackclient stuff | 20:45 |
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| annegentle | ttx: k | 20:45 |
| ttx | same for API convergence, sortig etc | 20:45 |
| jeblair | i think part of the idea of 16 is to try to get collaboration on projects that may not be collaborating closely right now | 20:45 |
| russellb | i'm fine dropping the x2 for #16 and adding Python 3, with the expectation that the details get sorted in time | 20:46 |
| russellb | hopefully the conversation doesn't end after the session | 20:46 |
| russellb | it'll at least get people connected | 20:46 |
| ttx | russellb: yeah, your call | 20:46 |
| jgriffith | jeblair: given we've had feedback for those project regarding their collaboration that seems like a req | 20:46 |
| sdague | do we know if the right people will be there? I'm a little concerned we've got a lead a horse to water problem with that session | 20:46 |
| russellb | sdague: which one, #16? | 20:47 |
| sdague | yeh | 20:47 |
| russellb | hopefully some of us :) | 20:47 |
| jeblair | jgriffith: yep. the rest of that thought was that i think there will be some time spent establishing baselines | 20:47 |
| ttx | sdague: I rejected their "other project" sessions | 20:47 |
| jgriffith | sdague: there inlies the problem | 20:47 |
| russellb | next problem will be scheduling which of these can go in parallel | 20:47 |
| annegentle | sdague: I've the same concern with pushing "17. cross project documentation" to the docs track, how do I get people there? | 20:47 |
| ttx | sdague: so they won't have time to talk separately | 20:47 |
| russellb | to make sur the right people can be in the room | 20:47 |
| ttx | it's their only space (Murano and Solum) | 20:47 |
| ttx | so I hope they will be there | 20:47 |
| russellb | that too | 20:48 |
| sdague | ttx: you reaching out to them directly on that? | 20:48 |
| jeblair | honestly, i'm really bummed about the python3 thing, but i think i'm still not optimistic that is set up to be a productive session | 20:48 |
| ttx | sdague: I can | 20:48 |
| ruhe | ttx: murano folks will be there | 20:48 |
| zaneb | fwiw I'd be relaxed about having only one session for #16, I think | 20:48 |
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| russellb | jeblair: but can we afford *not* to talk about it? | 20:48 |
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| ttx | jeblair: yeah, I'm fearing it doesn't really need a session | 20:48 |
| sdague | I think because it's not a session anyone from those groups proposed, but you did directly, then it's probably worth making sure direct contact to them | 20:48 |
| ttx | especially on fuzzy goals | 20:48 |
| jeblair | russellb: i can at least show up and report what i learned and said at the python language summit | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | there's also a sprint going on right now at pycon | 20:49 |
| ttx | sdague: right, that's fair. I mentioned that workshop when I rejected their "other project" session though. Will reach out directly | 20:49 |
| jeblair | i think that may be helpful, actually | 20:49 |
| ttx | sdague: easier sell if they get a double-session | 20:49 |
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| russellb | jeblair: so you think it's useful then? | 20:49 |
| russellb | if we want it, we have to drop some x2 slot .. | 20:49 |
| ttx | russellb: I guess we can drop the second UX slot | 20:50 |
| russellb | UX is what i was leaning toward | 20:50 |
| ttx | russellb: because developer exproence will better be handled in the SDk session anyway | 20:50 |
| jeblair | let's say i've got 15 minutes of content i can share. i can start an email thread if we don't want to bet a session slot on that though. | 20:50 |
| russellb | ok, proposal: accept python, 1 slot for UX, 2 slots for the other 3 that have x2 by then | 20:50 |
| gokrokve | ttx: Murano team knows about this session and we are preparing to it. | 20:50 |
| russellb | that sound OK? | 20:50 |
| sdague | if we are going to put it on the agenda, can we spin it a little to be our python support story over all | 20:50 |
| ttx | gokrokve: good to hear | 20:50 |
| sdague | because it seems like we should actually discuss 2.6 deprecation at some point | 20:50 |
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| mordred | sdague: ++ | 20:50 |
| ttx | russellb: +1 | 20:51 |
| russellb | sdague: that sounds reasonable | 20:51 |
| markmcclain | sdague: ++ | 20:51 |
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| jeblair | sdague: sounding better and better | 20:51 |
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| ttx | "Future of Python in OpenStack" | 20:51 |
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| ttx | :) | 20:51 |
| russellb | perfect | 20:51 |
| russellb | ok, one more quick issue | 20:51 |
| russellb | session #1, Consistency across OpenStack REST APIs | 20:51 |
| jeblair | ttx: port to 'go', right? :) | 20:51 |
| russellb | the proposer of that session is unlikely to make it | 20:51 |
| markmc | that sounds like there's a question whether python has a future in OpenStack :) | 20:51 |
| mordred | markmc: ++ | 20:51 |
| russellb | so we should probably line up someone to lead that one | 20:51 |
| jgriffith | jeblair: scala | 20:51 |
| sdague | markmc: we're rewriting it all in go | 20:51 |
| vishy | jeblair: +1 | 20:51 |
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| russellb | devstack got it right | 20:52 |
| mordred | russellb: agree- we should line up someone to lead it | 20:52 |
| ttx | devstack got everythign right | 20:52 |
| russellb | but seriously ... API session | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | I'll take it | 20:52 |
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| russellb | dhellmann: OK, I think that'd be perfect | 20:52 |
| markmc | we've had API consistency sessions several times | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | I will, however, expect jeblair and some others to show up to help :-) | 20:53 |
| ttx | russellb: jaypipes might be interested in leading that one | 20:53 |
| markmc | problem has been someone willing to drive it beyond a session | 20:53 |
| mordred | dhellmann: I'll probably, you know, come run my mouth | 20:53 |
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| russellb | ttx: sure, dhellmann: can you ping jay too? | 20:53 |
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| mordred | jaypipes ++ - as long as the session isn't json vs. xml | 20:53 |
| russellb | vs yaml | 20:53 |
| jeblair | mordred, dhellmann: in which case i will show up and attempt to get a word in edgewise. ;) | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | russellb: wait, I was volunteering on the future of python thing, not the api thing | 20:53 |
| ttx | that ship has sailed | 20:53 |
| russellb | dhellmann: haha | 20:53 |
| sdague | mordred: we've got a good job killing a lot of xml this cycle :) | 20:53 |
| mordred | sdague: +1000 | 20:53 |
| ttx | OK we ned to move on | 20:54 |
| ttx | russellb: got what you need ? | 20:54 |
| russellb | the time sensitive part yes | 20:54 |
| russellb | thanks! | 20:54 |
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| ttx | russellb: scheduling will be unfun | 20:54 |
| russellb | indeed | 20:54 |
| russellb | everyone bring your clones | 20:54 |
| ttx | russellb: we can talk about it tomorrow | 20:54 |
| ttx | #topic Requirements changes | 20:54 |
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| ttx | * Add Ceilometer requirements (https://review.openstack.org/85978) | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | russellb: should I file a separate item for the future of python, or do you want to reuse this one? | 20:54 |
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| ttx | Looks like most people generally agree on this one but would prefer a more precise wording | 20:54 |
| russellb | dhellmann: why don't you file a new one | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | russellb: ok | 20:55 |
| russellb | thanks! | 20:55 |
| ttx | needs a few more iterations, I think | 20:55 |
| ttx | * add upgrade testing expectation (https://review.openstack.org/86162) | 20:55 |
| ttx | The latest wording on that one looks fine to me, I'll approve it once it reaches 7 YES | 20:55 |
| ttx | (if nobody objects) | 20:55 |
| ttx | Remarks on those two ? | 20:56 |
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| ttx | #topic Minor governance changes | 20:56 |
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| ttx | * Add qa-specs to the QA Program (https://review.openstack.org/86965) | 20:57 |
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| ttx | This one has past and new PTL approval, no objection: will approve after meeting | 20:57 |
| ttx | * Update programs list with Juno PTLs (https://review.openstack.org/86896) | 20:57 |
| ttx | This one is a catch-up, will approve after meeting (mikal's objection not being founded) | 20:57 |
| ttx | * Adds integrated release names to programs.yaml (https://review.openstack.org/81859) | 20:57 |
| mikal | Hey! | 20:57 |
| ttx | annegentle was working on a new version -- I fear we'll lose backward compatibility though | 20:57 |
| ttx | mikal: :P | 20:57 |
| annegentle | ttx: I uploaded the latest | 20:58 |
| annegentle | for perusal | 20:58 |
| ttx | annegentle: ok we'll look at it | 20:58 |
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| ttx | jeblair: in particular the pieces of infra consuming it might need a patch to support a new format | 20:58 |
| ttx | at this point there shouldn't be too many | 20:58 |
| ttx | I know stackalytics consumes it too | 20:58 |
| mordred | I was just about to mention them | 20:58 |
| jeblair | ttx: ack | 20:59 |
| ttx | * Add the Kite key distribution service to programs.yaml (https://review.openstack.org/84811) | 20:59 |
| ttx | This one needs a fix on the commit message and should be able to go in | 20:59 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:59 |
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| ttx | last minute | 20:59 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:59 |
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| ttx | TC nominations end Friday at like 5 UTC | 20:59 |
| mordred | ossum | 21:00 |
| russellb | "like 5" | 21:00 |
| mordred | can I run for a second seat? | 21:00 |
| russellb | is 4 like 5? | 21:00 |
| mikal | Seems like a good bunch of candidates so far | 21:00 |
| mordred | mikal: ++ | 21:00 |
| ttx | April 18 05:59 UTC | 21:00 |
| mikal | I'm a bit surprised there are so many, but perhaps I've forgotten how competitive it is | 21:00 |
| ttx | so more like 6 | 21:00 |
| jeblair | there were a bunch last time too | 21:00 |
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| jeblair | at least, many more than seats | 21:00 |
| russellb | yeah, i want to say it was closer to 25 candidates for the full election last time | 21:01 |
| ttx | OK, time to end it | 21:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 21:01:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-15-20.03.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-15-20.03.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-04-15-20.03.log.html | 21:01 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:01 |
| russellb | thanks, ttx | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | russellb: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/316 | 21:02 |
| mikal | :) | 21:02 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, stevebaker, david-lyle, markmcclain, hub_cap: around ? | 21:02 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:02 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:02 |
| russellb | dhellmann: thanks | 21:02 |
| russellb | o/ | 21:02 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I need to skip out a little early, if that's possible. I don't expect anyone to need to talk to me a lot. :-) | 21:02 |
| zaneb | I'm here but I believe stevebaker is coming | 21:02 |
| eglynn | ttx: I can stand in for jd__ if necessary | 21:03 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: should be a quick one | 21:03 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 21:03:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:03 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:03 |
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| ttx | Hi everyone, last release meeting of the Icehouse cycle | 21:04 |
| stevebaker | \o/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | NB: Next week we'll use that meeting slot to discuss Design Summit scheduling with all PTLs | 21:04 |
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| ttx | But for today we need to check we are still all good for release on Thursday | 21:04 |
| ttx | agenda: | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Two days before release | 21:04 |
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| ttx | well, less than two days, since release is planned for ~1400 UTC | 21:05 |
| annegentle | whoohoo | 21:05 |
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| ttx | I synced with almost everyone today and we seem to be in good shape | 21:05 |
| ttx | stevebaker: how is Heat RC2 holding up ? | 21:05 |
| ttx | no bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=icehouse-rc-potential so I assume it's good | 21:06 |
| stevebaker | ttx: testing has been fine so far, no major new bugs have been raised | 21:06 |
| ttx | I just respun Ceilometer RC3 | 21:06 |
| sdague | are we going to get another keystone client release RSN? there was a pretty nasty bug we tripped over in heat once we made the tests parallel. | 21:06 |
| ttx | due to a misnamed meter | 21:06 |
| sdague | it was actually a keystoneclient bug though | 21:06 |
| ttx | dolphm: ^ | 21:06 |
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| ttx | No RC window is currently open, so the current release candidates are all considered good to go | 21:06 |
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| stevebaker | I thought keystoneclient was already released with a fix for that | 21:07 |
| dolphm | sdague: which bug? | 21:07 |
| ttx | jgriffith: do you want a RC3 over bug 1304115 ? | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1304115 in cinder "Storwize/SVC driver crashes when check volume copy status" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304115 | 21:07 |
| sdague | the certificate race | 21:07 |
| jgriffith | ttx: You mean a 4 | 21:07 |
| ttx | arh, damn you | 21:07 |
| dolphm | we haven't released a fix for that, but i'd be more than happy to | 21:07 |
| ttx | RC4 | 21:07 |
| jgriffith | I know the IBM folks would like it | 21:07 |
| sdague | Bug 1285833 - Keystone client racing on certificate lookups causing 401 Unauthorized on API calls | 21:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1285833 in heat "Keystone client racing on certificate lookups causing 401 Unauthorized on API calls" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1285833 | 21:08 |
| dolphm | it'd be 0.8.0 though, as we've had some features land | 21:08 |
| ttx | jgriffith: did you determine if it was a regression ? | 21:08 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I never heard back from jungleboy... just pinged him again | 21:08 |
| sdague | dolphm: that's fine, just without that if you hit heat with 2 apis at the same time you get a 401 | 21:08 |
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| dolphm | sdague: i'll do it in the next 24 hours then | 21:08 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ok, let's quickly sync after meeting and make a final call | 21:08 |
| dolphm | (release 0.8.0) | 21:09 |
| sdague | dolphm: great, thanks | 21:09 |
| ttx | At this point, only regressions with obviously-safe fixes would be accepted in a RC respin | 21:09 |
| ttx | The goal is to officialize the last RCs, tag and upload them on Thursday morning. | 21:09 |
| ttx | So if by Wednesday evening you haven't pressed the "stop the presses" button I'll just proceed | 21:09 |
| ttx | Known issues that are not worth a respin (or were detected too late) should be documented in the release notes | 21:09 |
| ttx | But that's the next topic | 21:09 |
| ttx | Do we have questions on release ? Any red flag ? | 21:09 |
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| sdague | ttx: on something like the keystone client issue, we'll just handle it as a requirements bump backport? | 21:10 |
| sdague | or more importantly, how should we handle that? | 21:10 |
| ttx | sdague: we'll probably bump the req when stable/icehouse will be cut on that repo | 21:10 |
| annegentle | I dont' have a red flag but the docs will be publishing to both /trunk/ and /icehouse/ for a few weeks to avoid many backports | 21:10 |
| sdague | ttx: ok | 21:10 |
| annegentle | #info openstack-manuals (install guides and config refs) will be publishing to both /trunk/ and /icehouse/ for a few weeks to avoid many backports | 21:11 |
| stevebaker | if there are requirements bump backports happening I'd really like python-heatclient 0.2.9 to be included | 21:11 |
| ttx | fwiw the tests should always use the latest client | 21:11 |
| ttx | sdague: no ? | 21:11 |
| sdague | ttx: correst | 21:11 |
| sdague | they actually use git | 21:11 |
| ttx | so unless there is a blocking bug the bump in stable requirements is more cosmetic | 21:12 |
| sdague | yeh, the only reason I brought it up on keystoneclient, is you can't actually handle parallel requests in heat without it | 21:12 |
| ttx | right | 21:13 |
| sdague | we went to a 50% fail rate the moment we turned on parallel tempest on the heat job because of that race | 21:13 |
| ttx | any other red flag, anything I should know ? | 21:13 |
| ttx | #topic Release notes status | 21:14 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse | 21:14 |
| ttx | Looking at current status | 21:14 |
| ttx | Glance and Horizon entries are a bit light | 21:14 |
| ttx | Neutron still needs ot be filled out | 21:14 |
| ttx | there is a TODO in the Heat section | 21:15 |
| ttx | markmcclain: ETA for your section ? | 21:15 |
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| stevebaker | ttx: yes, shardy needs to finish that section | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | ttx: currently writing it :) | 21:16 |
| ttx | ok | 21:16 |
| ttx | annegentle: if you have remarks on the release notes, let us know | 21:16 |
| ttx | you're the specialist ;) | 21:16 |
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| ttx | OK, anything else about integrated release on thursday ? | 21:18 |
| annegentle | ttx: not really - reading now | 21:18 |
| ttx | this is suspeciously calm | 21:18 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:18 |
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| russellb | ttx: maybe we're getting good at this | 21:19 |
| ttx | kgriffs, devananda: o/ | 21:19 |
| devananda | o/ | 21:19 |
| ttx | Sahara and ironic have a RC2, Marconi sill has no RC | 21:19 |
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| ttx | devananda: do you want me to publish you on Thursday once I'm done with the official release ? Or wait for your go-ahead first ? | 21:19 |
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| devananda | ttx: go for it :) | 21:19 |
| ttx | devananda: ok, wil proceed unless you send me email to tell me not to | 21:19 |
| devananda | ttx: we haven't had any further critical bugs reported since the ones closed in RC2 | 21:19 |
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| ttx | SergeyLukjanov is catching some sleep, but told me earlier that Sahara RC2 is good to go | 21:20 |
| devananda | I am putting up release notes here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse | 21:21 |
| ttx | status unknown for Marconi | 21:21 |
| ttx | kgriffs, flaper87: around? | 21:21 |
| ttx | devananda: +1 | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | ttx: o/ | 21:21 |
| ttx | flaper87: do you know how far Marconi is from the RC1 tag ? Shall we still target Thursday for your release ? | 21:21 |
| devananda | as a side note, we also got some install docs up recently (some clean up still ongoing) | 21:21 |
| ttx | It's not a big deal if you release the day after | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yes, Thursday sounds good. We don't have any pressing issue nor blocking patches | 21:22 |
| devananda | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/install/ironic-install.html | 21:22 |
| ttx | but if you can releae on same day, looks better | 21:22 |
| ttx | flaper87: well, you still have no RC published | 21:22 |
| ttx | https://launchpad.net/marconi/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 21:22 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I don't believe it is | 21:22 |
| ttx | still blocked on 1287490 | 21:22 |
| ttx | bug 1287490 | 21:22 |
| jgriffith | bahh... sorry | 21:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1287490 in marconi/icehouse "marconi-server crashes in no screen mode" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1287490 | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | ttx: that shouldn't be in rc1, we talked about it in today's meeting. | 21:23 |
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| ttx | hmm | 21:23 |
| * flaper87 moves it out | 21:23 | |
| ttx | flaper87: so I should just cut RC1 with the current state ? | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | ttx: yup | 21:24 |
| ttx | flaper87: that means you need to push a 2014.2 version bump on top of master. I can propose it | 21:24 |
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| ttx | just a sec | 21:24 |
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| ttx | hhm | 21:25 |
| ttx | it's already bumped. hm | 21:25 |
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| * ttx digs deeper | 21:25 | |
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| ttx | flaper87: looks like we missed a step | 21:26 |
| ttx | I shall have cut a branch and tag a RC1 12 days ago when the Juno version bump was merged | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | ttx: mmh :/ the one where rc1 was cut ? | 21:27 |
| ttx | well, that's the thing, it was never tagged or cut | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | ttx: mmh, I thought Kurt had told you that the version bump was done | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | :/ | 21:28 |
| ttx | so I should probably do the branch now and then push a few backports to it before tagging rc1 | 21:28 |
| ttx | flaper87: tomorrow morning ? | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | ttx: sounds good, I'll be around | 21:28 |
| ttx | flaper87: or are you in the US right now | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | nope, CEST for now | 21:29 |
| ttx | flaper87: ok, will ping you and we'll set it right | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | ttx: rock on, thanks! | 21:29 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:29 |
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| ttx | Anything, anyone ? | 21:30 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: we can talk about your RC4 now | 21:30 |
| ttx | so is it a regression or not ? | 21:31 |
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| sdague | ttx: this is an FYI for folks - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86577/2/specs/branchless-tempest.rst | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | ttx: no | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | ttx: likely always broke | 21:32 |
| jgriffith | ttx: also it's a corner case of backends that are replicating | 21:32 |
| ttx | jgriffith: ok, I'd say no RC4 then, unless we respin for more important reasons | 21:32 |
| sdague | there have been a couple of threads I've put out on the ML as well on it. We're pretty sure it's going to be only positive in terms of increasing quality, but willing to field questions on it | 21:33 |
| ttx | #info Info on branchless tempest: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86577/2/specs/branchless-tempest.rst | 21:33 |
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| jogo | sdague: I am excited to see branchless tempest, I have high hopes for it | 21:33 |
| ttx | anything else ? | 21:34 |
| HenryG | Not sure if this is relevant, but several people testing icehouse had trouble with neutron because of https://review.openstack.org/86646 | 21:34 |
| ttx | you mean, until this fix ? | 21:35 |
| ttx | or due to this fix ? | 21:35 |
| HenryG | It's not a fix, more like missing information | 21:36 |
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| ttx | HenryG: might be worth adding to release notes | 21:36 |
| ttx | markmcclain: ^ ? | 21:36 |
| mestery | +1 to that ttx | 21:36 |
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| ttx | HenryG: feel free to add it to the release notes directly | 21:37 |
| ttx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Icehouse | 21:37 |
| HenryG | ok | 21:37 |
| ttx | on that note... | 21:37 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 21:37:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-15-21.03.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-15-21.03.txt | 21:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-04-15-21.03.log.html | 21:38 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | ttx: noted | 21:39 |
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