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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 23 00:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 00:00 |
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| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 00:00 |
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| jpeeler | hi | 00:00 |
| zaneb | greetings | 00:00 |
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| liang | hi | 00:01 |
| vijendar | hi | 00:01 |
| kanabuchi | hello | 00:01 |
| stevebaker | liang: welcome! | 00:01 |
| tango | hi | 00:01 |
| liang | stevebaker, hehe, finally ;) | 00:01 |
| stevebaker | we need to get nanjj attending these ones too | 00:02 |
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| liang | will let him know next time | 00:03 |
| stevebaker | #topic Review last meeting's actions | 00:03 |
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| randallburt | o/ | 00:04 |
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| stevebaker | Jan 27th Heat Tempest Awesome Fun Day | 00:04 |
| stevebaker | was the only action | 00:04 |
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| randallburt | :( I'll be on travel for the Glance summit. | 00:05 |
| randallburt | was looking forward to that. | 00:05 |
| SpamapS | I'm here but only for 10 minutes. | 00:05 |
| stevebaker | it would be great if everyone could have a day working on tempest. I will point out that our big icehouse-2 regression would have been caught by the tests we already have, if only they ran in the gate | 00:05 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: what borked? I missed all of that. | 00:06 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: is there a list of _what_ to work on in Tempest? | 00:07 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1271190 | 00:07 |
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| randallburt | thanks | 00:07 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: what? we don't run our tempest tests in the gate? | 00:07 |
| asalkeld | o/ | 00:08 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: you can work on what you like. If you've never run tempest locally then give it a go. If you wanted to write a test then it would be a good day to start it. And some of us (at least me) will be trying to get the heat-slow tests running in gate | 00:08 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: we run our tests, but not the ones which spawn VMs | 00:09 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: _curses_ | 00:10 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS: you can run them and see what happens by commenting "check experimental" in a gerrit review | 00:10 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: well when we have a baremetal cloud in the gate we damn well better run those ;) | 00:10 |
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| stevebaker | given the svelte-gate plans that have just been announced, maybe we should move the experimental gate job to be a non-voting check job on heat soon | 00:11 |
| liang | stevebaker, so those spawning VMs will be ran after Jan 27th? | 00:11 |
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| stevebaker | liang: they will if we can debug why the test fails in the gate. It could be just timeouts due to booting virt in virt | 00:12 |
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| liang | stevebaker, I see | 00:13 |
| stevebaker | #topic adding items to the agenda | 00:14 |
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| stevebaker | which is currently very short ;) | 00:14 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-1-23.29 | 00:14 |
| stevebaker | oki, | 00:15 |
| stevebaker | #topic icehouse-2 release | 00:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "icehouse-2 release (Meeting topic: heat)" | 00:15 | |
| stevebaker | The wedged gate queue has meant things that should be in i-2 didn't make it, which is a shame but was the least worst option | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | with the exception of the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1271190 which we really need | 00:16 |
| stevebaker | so heat will be tagged as soon as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68135/ is in | 00:17 |
| stevebaker | please keep an eye on that change and help nurse it through | 00:17 |
| stevebaker | #topic Open Discussion | 00:18 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker: Its not an i2, but I haven't had a chance to look more at bug 1206702 due to some family issues that cropped up, but its still on my radar for i3 | 00:18 |
| randallburt | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1206702 | 00:18 |
| stevebaker | ok, thanks | 00:18 |
| stevebaker | liang: so these meetings are usually a little more involved ;) , feel free to bring things you want to discuss | 00:19 |
| randallburt | seems pretty quiet for our first alt-time meeting... | 00:19 |
| SpamapS | Word needs to get out | 00:19 |
| SpamapS | Give it time. :) | 00:20 |
| liang | stevebaker, yup | 00:20 |
| stevebaker | I've updated teh wikis | 00:20 |
| randallburt | and I corrected team members on their bad time conversion | 00:20 |
| zaneb | lol | 00:20 |
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| stevebaker | so our review queue has been growing and I'm sure part of the reason is an increase in commits | 00:21 |
| stevebaker | but it feels like core review rate has been quite low recently - I have no numbers to back this up | 00:22 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: check queue is also behind so I think commits sit longer while people wait for a +1 from jenkins. | 00:22 |
| SpamapS | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/heat-reviewers-30.txt | 00:23 |
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| zaneb | for me, part of it is that each review is taking longer | 00:23 |
| SpamapS | Core team size: 11 (avg 1.8 reviews/day) | 00:23 |
| zaneb | I think that's mainly because we have lots of new contributors | 00:23 |
| stevebaker | also http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/heat-openreviews.html | 00:23 |
| SpamapS | New patch sets in the last 30 days: 725 (24.2/day) | 00:23 |
| SpamapS | ow | 00:23 |
| randallburt | yikes. though that's kinda awesome. | 00:23 |
| SpamapS | just barely keeping up | 00:23 |
| clarkb | stevebaker: SpamapS: mikal also has numbers http://openstack.stillhq.com/reviews/reviewsummary.html?reviewers=asalkeld+clint-fewbar+jpeeler-z+sdake+shardy+steve-stevebaker+tomas-8c8+zaneb&project=__total__ | 00:23 |
| SpamapS | aw snap | 00:24 |
| SpamapS | graphssssss | 00:24 |
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| stevebaker | nifty | 00:24 |
| SpamapS | Queue growth in the last 30 days: 41 (1.4/day) | 00:25 |
| * asalkeld being a bit slack | 00:25 | |
| stevebaker | anyway, during i-3 there are going to be a lot of features which require good architecture review, and early in the cycle | 00:25 |
| SpamapS | that tells me that core reviewers need to do 2 more reviews every day to get ahead of things | 00:25 |
| asalkeld | that web site is not working for me | 00:26 |
| stevebaker | talk amongst yourselves while I update that chart for current heat-core | 00:27 |
| randallburt | asalkeld: me either. blank page | 00:27 |
| SpamapS | anyway, -> get kids | 00:27 |
| asalkeld | yip | 00:27 |
| clarkb | are you noscripting? | 00:27 |
| SpamapS | but we may need to start prioritizing new-reviewer-reviewing over reviewing ... 11 is a lot.. but we've got a crazy number of patches | 00:28 |
| SpamapS | noscript? People still do that? | 00:28 |
| SpamapS | ;) | 00:28 |
| * SpamapS out | 00:28 | |
| stevebaker | #link http://openstack.stillhq.com/reviews/reviewsummary.html?reviewers=asalkeld+bartosz-gorski+clint-fewbar+jpeeler-z+Liang+randall-burt+sdake+shardy+steve-stevebaker+therve+zaneb&project=__total__ | 00:28 |
| zaneb | I win today :D | 00:29 |
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| * stevebaker gives zaneb the propeller hat | 00:29 | |
| stevebaker | I don't have anything else, shall we finish up? | 00:30 |
| zaneb | was there a conclusion? | 00:30 |
| zaneb | everybody work harder? | 00:30 |
| randallburt | do more reviews. | 00:30 |
| * randallburt especially :( | 00:31 | |
| stevebaker | the beatings will continue | 00:31 |
| randallburt | are we ready for more core? | 00:31 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: possibly. I'll take a look at the potentials | 00:32 |
| randallburt | I might be a little biased because I work with him, but jbd has been doing lots of good work and his numbers are good. | 00:32 |
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| randallburt | I'm hesitant to nominate because we are on the same team and have the same folks sign our paychecks, though. | 00:32 |
| stevebaker | yes, I need to do the new-reviewer-reviewing thing. He is top of the list | 00:33 |
| randallburt | not sure if that matters. | 00:33 |
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| stevebaker | anything else? | 00:34 |
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| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 00:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 00:34:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-23-00.00.html | 00:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-23-00.00.txt | 00:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-01-23-00.00.log.html | 00:35 |
| stevebaker | Thats like 25 extra minutes of reviewing time! | 00:35 |
| randallburt | lol | 00:35 |
| stevebaker | you're welcome :D | 00:35 |
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| liang | haha, reviewing | 00:35 |
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| mattgriffin | stevebaker: ping | 03:55 |
| stevebaker | hi | 03:55 |
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| mattgriffin | hi stevebaker. i missed the heat meeting earlier :( was wanting to ask about any how-to's for creating templates | 03:56 |
| mattgriffin | and also to say hi | 03:56 |
| stevebaker | mattgriffin: we could do better, but we have http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/ and https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates | 03:57 |
| stevebaker | the template guide needs much more how-to content, maybe we'll get time to write some after feature freeze | 03:57 |
| stevebaker | mattgriffin: you can also ask for help in #heat | 03:58 |
| mattgriffin | stevebaker: cool. thanks! | 03:58 |
| stevebaker | np | 03:59 |
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| enikanorov_ | neutron lbaas meeting in 2 minutes | 13:57 |
| iwamoto | hi | 13:58 |
| enikanorov_ | hi | 13:58 |
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| evgenyf | Hi | 13:58 |
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| sbalukoff | Howdy, y'all! | 13:59 |
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| avishayb | hi | 14:00 |
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| enikanorov_ | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 23 14:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is enikanorov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
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| enikanorov_ | I've send an email with lbaas status update yesterday | 14:01 |
| enikanorov_ | we have a few items to discuss | 14:02 |
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| samuelbercovici | hi all | 14:02 |
| enikanorov_ | they are ssl extension, l7 rules and API | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov_ | Hi Sam | 14:02 |
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| enikanorov_ | on ssl extension... i've asked Mark to join, but apparently he's travelling, so i'm not sure if he is able to attend | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov_ | oh, cool | 14:03 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 14:03 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: hi | 14:03 |
| enikanorov_ | right on time :) | 14:03 |
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| enikanorov_ | (i've just mentioned you) | 14:03 |
| vjay | hi | 14:03 |
| enikanorov_ | hi vjay | 14:04 |
| enikanorov_ | so the main item to discuss right now is the API and ssl extension in particular | 14:04 |
| vjay | would like to know what is happening to changes and the order of commit planned | 14:05 |
| enikanorov_ | last time we tried to find approach to add ssl, but we're lacking reliable open source backend for that | 14:05 |
| vjay | changes like the loadbalancer instance | 14:05 |
| enikanorov_ | vjay: we'll discuss it a bit later | 14:05 |
| vjay | sure | 14:05 |
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| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: the proposal was to add ssl as vendor extension. as far as I recall you had a concern about 'uneven API experience' | 14:06 |
| enikanorov_ | could you elaborate? | 14:06 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: sure | 14:06 |
| enikanorov_ | because I believe whole ability of choosing provider is about different capabilities, and possibly, different API | 14:07 |
| markmcclain | the API can get messy when we start creating extensions to extensions | 14:07 |
| markmcclain | say we have to 2 different providers with different capabilities | 14:07 |
| enikanorov_ | right. but we're already doing it with 'core extensions' | 14:07 |
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| markmcclain | right but there is a framework for discovery there | 14:08 |
| markmcclain | if we have to 2 different providers who support a different feature set how would a consumer consume it? | 14:08 |
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| markmcclain | and know that say provider A provides SSL support and provider B does not | 14:09 |
| enikanorov_ | consumer should know that certain resource available with certain service+provider | 14:09 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: how is that learned? | 14:09 |
| markmcclain | it needs to be noted this is similar problem for ml2 too | 14:10 |
| enikanorov_ | we have a way to know supported extensions. we can add that information there | 14:10 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: yes, ml2 is similar | 14:10 |
| markmcclain | discoverability is a solvable problem | 14:10 |
| enikanorov_ | [{'service': core, 'provider': 'abc', 'extension': 'def'}] | 14:10 |
| samuelbercovici | To move from the "big" extension discussion. SSL is implemented as an extension because: 1: we want to have this up and running as an expeimental API and then get it as part of the standarad API 2: we are not sure yet how the ha proxy implementation will go | 14:11 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov_: that is certainly one approach that we can follow | 14:11 |
| markmcclain | samuelbercovici: right don't forget there was some discussion about pairing with stunnel to provide a open implementation | 14:12 |
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| samuelbercovici | markmcclain: correct | 14:12 |
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| markmcclain | chatting with friends at other companies I know this is a pattern that actively deployed | 14:13 |
| samuelbercovici | but the decision to go into the extnesion path was before | 14:13 |
| markmcclain | I don't think I'll be able to get them to contribute code though | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | markvan: Outside of Openstack, I've built two load balancer "appliance" products which use stunnel as terminator for SSL + haproxy as load balancer-- this is very reliable. | 14:13 |
| samuelbercovici | yes, it is actually the pattern de-facto for ha proxy with ssl | 14:13 |
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| samuelbercovici | the other part was the move to use something lica babican in the eventual API | 14:14 |
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| enikanorov_ | i think whole question goes down to allowing vendors to implement what their need without being blocked by the lack of opensource solution | 14:15 |
| enikanorov_ | when it is not a common code (common extension) | 14:16 |
| markmcclain | I get that.. I just don't want 4 slightly different implementations in the extensions | 14:16 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: which is an excellent question, it is just not relevant to SSL as SSL is planned to be implemented by averyon, same as L7 | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | Well, and sometimes opensource solution might have features vendors don't support (eg. SNI support, SSL cipher selection, etc.) | 14:16 |
| enikanorov_ | samuelbercovici: but right now this is directly related to ssl | 14:17 |
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| markmcclain | sbalukoff: yes there should room for supporting different features, but I think we need a baseline first | 14:17 |
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| sbalukoff | markmcclain: True. | 14:18 |
| samuelbercovici | let me rephrase. extensions can be a way for vendors to implement "private" capabilities and it can also be used to impelement "experimental" capabilities untill theyr move to core | 14:18 |
| markmcclain | samuelbercovici: that is true | 14:18 |
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| enikanorov_ | right, so I'm asking why we can't make ssl such extension | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | but even then we still have to be careful with what we release | 14:19 |
| enikanorov_ | and then move it to core once we implement stunnel+haproxy | 14:19 |
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| sbalukoff | markmcclain: Are you arguing that SSL support is so central to LBaaS that it should be a core feature that, for the most part, is implemented the same across vendors? | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | because there are security obligations that we implicitly make with the community | 14:19 |
| samuelbercovici | For SSL we use "extension" not be cause this is private radware, but because we want to have it as an :experimentl" api | 14:19 |
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| markmcclain | sbalukoff: I'd like a solid base that as many vendors implement as possible | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | markmcclain: I'm with you on that, eh. | 14:20 |
| samuelbercovici | sbalukoff: yes, this is exactly the way this was planned. We have discussed with other load balancer vendors to get to an agreement on the API, same that we did for L7 | 14:20 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: how about vendor-specific features? | 14:20 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: there are very basic ones, but we can't call them a baseline | 14:21 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: that's really the crux of the issue | 14:21 |
| enikanorov_ | like routed-solutions | 14:21 |
| enikanorov_ | or appliance-based | 14:21 |
| markmcclain | we have the ability to iterate over time | 14:21 |
| enikanorov_ | I don't think every vendor needs to implement them | 14:22 |
| samuelbercovici | markmcclain: I agree that we must have a wide baseline with standarad APIs. Baic L4, SSL and L7 and probably a few more should define the base line. | 14:22 |
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| sbalukoff | enikanorov: So, your point is that because not all vendors are going to implement the same features, and because we want to expose these features somehow, a need for vendor-specific extensions is always going to exist, right? | 14:23 |
| enikanorov_ | sbalukoff: yes | 14:23 |
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| enikanorov_ | sbalukoff: that was already solved by vmware by making their own service plugin | 14:23 |
| enikanorov_ | specific to their backend solution | 14:24 |
| sbalukoff | So, then it's a matter of deciding what is "core" functionality that almost all vendors should be able to do, so that consumers can rely on that much at least-- and still provide a way to exentend API with vendor-specific features which make vendors' products more useful. | 14:24 |
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| markmcclain | sbalukoff: yes | 14:24 |
| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: although it might use the same approach, there is difference between stating which standard capabilities are supported and between supporting "private" "non-standard" ones | 14:25 |
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| vjay | as said earler: L4, SSL & L7 is available with most vendors, it should be part of baseline | 14:25 |
| sbalukoff | Agreed. | 14:25 |
| markmcclain | that's my feeling | 14:25 |
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| markmcclain | so taking deliberate steps with the API is really what we want to do here… the freeze is not too far away… I'd rather release code with less features that we know wrk than trying to be cover every customization now | 14:26 |
| enikanorov_ | agree with vjay | 14:26 |
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| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: agree as well, though I'm more concerned about the ability for vendors to contribute | 14:27 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: how so? | 14:27 |
| enikanorov_ | because each month i see patches from vendors which try to amend core lbaas API with their specific bits | 14:27 |
| enikanorov_ | that's what I'd like to sort out, keeping the API clean but extensible | 14:28 |
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| markmcclain | right..but that is part of the blueprint process and consensus building | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | enikanov: So they need to be directed to put these in their own vendor-specific extensions. Problem being that there is no way to do vendor-specific extensions just yet? | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | Sorry, enikanorov_ | 14:29 |
| enikanorov_ | the problem that we still undecided if vendor-specific extensions is what we want to see | 14:29 |
| enikanorov_ | but honestly i don't see another way of supporting a variety of vendors under the same hood of lbaas | 14:29 |
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| sbalukoff | Good point. So no better ideas (or even competing ideas) have been shared on this? | 14:30 |
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| markmcclain | yeah the vendor extensions to drivers hasn't really had an idea that's gained momentum | 14:31 |
| markmcclain | but that's ok because we can still work in parallel here | 14:31 |
| markmcclain | by implementing the common subset into the core API | 14:31 |
| markmcclain | and then figuring out how the extension mechanisms would work | 14:32 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain:applications of such framework are: | 14:32 |
| enikanorov_ | agent scheduling, device binding, router binging | 14:32 |
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| enikanorov_ | all that is backed-specific and really not related to lbaas api itself | 14:32 |
| enikanorov_ | generec lbaas api i mean | 14:33 |
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| markmcclain | correct which is why for the new items we should focus on the API first | 14:34 |
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| sbalukoff | If we want to expose vendor-specific features, I also don't see a good way to do this without providing a mechanism for extending the API. markmcclain, is the concern here that vendors implentations of core features will diverge too much if we don't actually put these feature in the core API? | 14:35 |
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| enikanorov_ | agree, going back to ssl, my point was that making it a vendor extension is just a way of letting some folks (vendors and customers) to move forward and try it | 14:35 |
| edhall | sbalukoff, as a customer, that is exactly my concern | 14:36 |
| markmcclain | sbalukoff: yeah divergence is one concern | 14:36 |
| sbalukoff | edhall: Mine too. | 14:37 |
| enikanorov_ | implementation of core features should not happen, at best | 14:37 |
| enikanorov_ | *divirgence | 14:37 |
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| sbalukoff | Yes. So again, we're back to what's been agreed on as core, plus providing a way for vendors to extend these features, which I think is what enikanorov is advocating. | 14:37 |
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| sbalukoff | And specifically SSL in this case. | 14:38 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: I am not excited about the idea of saying here is this optional extension a vendor can implement without us having gone through the process in the opensource version first | 14:39 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: there are cases where we will not have opensource analog at all | 14:39 |
| enikanorov_ | for instance, if vendor provides appliance-based solution | 14:40 |
| edhall | we should encourage vendors to contribute one | 14:40 |
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| enikanorov_ | he may want to enable some API for cloud operator to manage appliances | 14:40 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov_: the API and implementation are two different issues | 14:40 |
| enikanorov_ | but that's unnecessary for, say, haproxy | 14:40 |
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| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: right, but what would be opensource analog in this case? | 14:41 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov_: when we're speaking API were talking about the logical state | 14:43 |
| enikanorov_ | yes | 14:43 |
| markmcclain | so I'm failing to see how appliances impact the API discussion | 14:44 |
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| markmcclain | appliances are an implementation detail correct? | 14:44 |
| enikanorov_ | appliances need API to manage. exiting opensource solution (haproxy) doesn't need it | 14:44 |
| enikanorov_ | or, in fact, it needs different API (agent scheduling) | 14:45 |
| markmcclain | appliance management has always seems like a separate issue from the logical API | 14:45 |
| enikanorov_ | it's not the management itself | 14:46 |
| sbalukoff | enikanorov: We could do an haproxy "software appliance" approach which runs LBaaS on compute instances. (I was actually going to propose this myself, as I've implented it twice already? Just need to figure out how to contribute to Openstack in a meaningful way) I really like the idea of being able to split load balancer function away from network as a service function for various reasons.) But that's probably not a qui | 14:46 |
| sbalukoff | ck thing to implement here, but it would be analogous to a vendor's appliance solution. | 14:46 |
| enikanorov_ | it's letting know the service that certain appliance exist ans is available | 14:46 |
| enikanorov_ | sbalukoff: yes, that would be another use case that could leverage such API | 14:47 |
| sbalukoff | And it is purely open source. | 14:47 |
| pcarver | Forgive me for jumping in late and in the middle, but I wanted to note that some customers have strong opinions on load balancer appliance vendor. | 14:47 |
| markmcclain | sbalukoff: so creating an appliance is viable now | 14:47 |
| sbalukoff | markmcclain: Yes. | 14:48 |
| markmcclain | just write a driver that spins up and manages VMs for load balancing | 14:48 |
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| pcarver | So even though we might argue they shouldn't, they may strongly want to select WHICH load balancer vendor their LBaaS runs on | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | markmcclain: Exactly. | 14:48 |
| markmcclain | the tenant doesn't really need to know how it is implemented | 14:48 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: sbalukoff: so vendors should wait for such provider to appear before they can offer their appliance-based solutions? | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | pcarver: This is true. | 14:48 |
| markmcclain | pcarver: that's where I think part of our abstractions need work | 14:49 |
| markmcclain | we have service providers, but what we really need are flavors | 14:49 |
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| edhall | As a customer I (1) want to avoid vendor lock-in and (2) not have to maintain a whole layer of software infrastructure to deal with each vendor's implementaion of basic management functions. | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | enikanorov: No, I personally think a way for vendors to extend API is going to be necessary somehow, and I've not yet heard a viable solution other than the one you've suggested. | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | But markmcclain is right that SSL should have a base support in the API as well. | 14:49 |
| pcarver | markmcclain: Agreed on functionality, just pointing out that for some customers they may want to be able to control vendor selection via API | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | Which, again, I think was agreed on already (along with L4 and L7) | 14:50 |
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| markmcclain | pcarver: nothing stops someone from naming the flavors to match the vendors who implement it | 14:50 |
| enikanorov_ | sbalukoff: i'm all in for making ssl a part of core lbaas API. as far as i understand, the concern is in implementation | 14:50 |
| sbalukoff | Got it. | 14:50 |
| samuelbercovici | pcarver: if the service provide has the vendor name in it, than the end user, can choose the service provider which also means the vnedor | 14:50 |
| markmcclain | using flavors also enables dual vendor strategies and avoids lockins | 14:51 |
| pcarver | Ok, makes sense. | 14:51 |
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| markmcclain | because the deployer can aggregate the providers with similar capabilities into the same flavor | 14:51 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov_: yes.. implementation is the tricky part for ssl | 14:52 |
| pcarver | Just wanted to make sure folks were aware that some customers, perhaps we might call them "not cloud savvy" want their cloud to be somewhat non-cloudy and guarantee them various specific vendor choices. | 14:52 |
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| markmcclain | pcarver: yes there is definitely a range of deployers where some users want tenats to have more choice and others were there is less | 14:53 |
| pcarver | I personally think they're a bit silly. But they definitely exist and have strong opinions on what they want to buy. | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | pcarver: Yep! I agree this is a primary customer concern. | 14:53 |
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| enikanorov_ | markmcclain: so what is your opinion on ssl for lbaas in I? what is the best plan? | 14:55 |
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| iwamoto | what we are trying to do is to build mappings from openstack API to vendor specific mgmt API or config files. this cannot be easy | 14:55 |
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| markmcclain | enikanorov_: I think SSL is a good idea…the real issue is I'm not aware of an implementation where I'm comfortable with it's security | 14:56 |
| markmcclain | *API implementation | 14:56 |
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| sbalukoff | markmcclain: Sending SSL certs via unencrypted rabbit, for example? | 14:56 |
| markmcclain | yes | 14:56 |
| enikanorov_ | i think we need some clear decision before putting more efforts in it | 14:56 |
| enikanorov_ | are we going to wait for haproxy 1.5 release? | 14:57 |
| vjay | mark: just before we close down. want to know your opinion on the hold on NetScaler driver. | 14:57 |
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| samuelbercovici | enikanorov_: we should not wait for 1.5, 1.4 with stuneel is fine | 14:57 |
| sbalukoff | enikanorov: I would say we can do with with stunnel + haproxy approach. | 14:57 |
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| markmcclain | vjay: I still need to do an in depth review | 14:57 |
| enikanorov_ | so, should we implement stunnel + haproxy for ssl to merge into core? | 14:58 |
| vjay | mark: ok, you need to do a review of the driver? | 14:58 |
| markmcclain | stunnel is an acceptable direction to move now | 14:58 |
| sbalukoff | mark's concern about security still needs a solution. | 14:58 |
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| sbalukoff | Specifically, how to send SSL certs. | 14:58 |
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| enikanorov_ | sbalukoff: i think that is solvable. | 14:59 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 14:59 |
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| markmcclain | vjay: either I'll do it or it will get picked up by one of the other cores on our team | 15:00 |
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| vjay | sure, we were planning for i2. | 15:01 |
| jd__ | (wrapping up?) | 15:01 |
| enikanorov_ | yes | 15:01 |
| enikanorov_ | thanks everyone | 15:01 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks! | 15:01 |
| markmcclain | vjay: I-2 has been cut | 15:01 |
| enikanorov_ | i think we need to continue to discuss all that in the ML | 15:01 |
| enikanorov_ | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 15:02:03 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-23-14.00.html | 15:02 |
| markmcclain | so I-3 is next milestone release | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-23-14.00.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-01-23-14.00.log.html | 15:02 |
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| jd__ | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 23 15:03:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:03 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:04 |
| eglynn | o/ | 15:04 |
| ildikov_ | o/ | 15:04 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:04 |
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| lsmola_ | o/ | 15:04 |
| nadya_ | o/ | 15:04 |
| scroiset | o/ | 15:04 |
| jd__ | #topic Milestone status icehouse-2 / icehouse-3 | 15:05 |
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| jd__ | so icehouse-2 is being released right now | 15:05 |
| eglynn | a tad disappointing how things panned out overall with icehouse-2 | 15:05 |
| tongli | o/ | 15:05 |
| * jd__ nods | 15:05 | |
| eglynn | ... i.e. chronic problems in the gate caused stuff that was ready to go to be bumped to i-3 :( | 15:06 |
| eglynn | ... /me would have preferred if the milestone was delayed by a few days to allow the verification queue to drain | 15:06 |
| nadya_ | my fix became merged after 2 hours after releasing i-2 :( | 15:06 |
| eglynn | yep, I had similar with a BP | 15:06 |
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| jd__ | :( | 15:06 |
| ildikov_ | my fix also failed on the gate... | 15:07 |
| ildikov_ | so it is at the end of the waiting list right now | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | upside: it gives us a head-start on our icehouse-3 slate | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:07 |
| jd__ | we also need to triage icehouse-3 | 15:07 |
| eglynn | note we've only 5 full person-weeks of dev time remaining before the freeze for icehouse-3 | 15:08 |
| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 15:08 |
| eglynn | ... gotta put my hand up, I'm usually one of the worst offenders for landing stuff late in the cycle | 15:08 |
| eglynn | ... however for i-3 lets try to aim for a more even flow-rate on BP patches | 15:08 |
| eglynn | (... as there's gonna be an even bigger rush on the gate for i-3) | 15:08 |
| jd__ | if you have blueprint for icehouse-3, please update | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | (... given the amount of stuff that was bumped off i-2, plus the natural backloading onto the 3rd milestone that always happens in every OS release) | 15:09 |
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| ildikov_ | jd__: I have a bp for i-3, which depends on the complex query one | 15:09 |
| jd__ | hm | 15:10 |
| ildikov_ | jd__: it would be good to get the complex query discussion fixed in the early phase of i-3 as the feature is ready to fly already | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | we'll try to do that indeed | 15:11 |
| nadya_ | we need to hurry up right now :) a lot of things to discuss | 15:11 |
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| ildikov_ | jd__: tnx | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | over the final 2-3 weeks of the icehouse-3 leadin, one possible strategy is to prioritize BPs over bugfixes | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | (... much easier to get a bugfix landed post i-3 than to beg a FFE on an unfinished BP) | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | ... justsayin | 15:13 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: +1 | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: prioritizing reviews on anything associated with a bp or bug report between now and then seems like a good idea, too -- encourage people to help with project tracking by filing the right "paperwork" | 15:14 |
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| jd__ | I think we'll rediscuss this next week too anyway | 15:14 |
| jd__ | just update your bp in the meantime | 15:14 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: +1 | 15:14 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: absolutely | 15:14 |
| jd__ | moving on as we have a lot of topic | 15:14 |
| jd__ | #topic Tempest integration | 15:14 |
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| jd__ | nadya_: a word on that? | 15:14 |
| nadya_ | yep! | 15:15 |
| nadya_ | Our client is apporoved! Congrats :) | 15:15 |
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| nadya_ | But we still facing with problems. There is a bug in devstack (and tempest) about processing the last '/' in the url. #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1271556 | 15:15 |
| jd__ | clap clap clap | 15:15 |
| eglynn | \o/ | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | nice work! | 15:15 |
| ildikov_ | nadya_: +1 | 15:15 |
| nadya_ | because of this we have -1 from Jenkins here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67164/ | 15:16 |
| nadya_ | but we are working on fix | 15:16 |
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| jd__ | great | 15:16 |
| nadya_ | Besides, we have two nova-related patches: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/46744/ and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64136/ . yassine, do you have any news:)? | 15:16 |
| nadya_ | if you are here... | 15:17 |
| nadya_ | We are still working on pollsters testing. Tempest part is started but we need #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66551/ for testing. JFYI | 15:17 |
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| nadya_ | and the last point is alarm testing. It is lost #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39237/ . Nick, nsaje, are you here? | 15:18 |
| jd__ | I'd suggest to steal the patch if it's not restored | 15:18 |
| eglynn | +1 | 15:18 |
| jd__ | otherwise that looks really good, thanks for taking care nadya_ | 15:19 |
| nadya_ | yep, actually Vadim has started to fix alarm patch | 15:19 |
| eglynn | nadya_: great! thanks | 15:19 |
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| nadya_ | So I think that's all from my side on this topic | 15:19 |
| nadya_ | ur welcome :) | 15:19 |
| jd__ | great :) | 15:19 |
| jd__ | #topic Release python-ceilometerclient? | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | I need this patch to land asap: https://review.openstack.org/68637 | 15:20 |
| jd__ | I'll review | 15:20 |
| eglynn | a super-simple fix | 15:20 |
| eglynn | but the alarm-threshold-create verb is pretty much borked without it | 15:20 |
| eglynn | (legacy alarm-create verb works fine tho') | 15:20 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: it looks good on the gate now | 15:20 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: cool, thanks | 15:21 |
| jd__ | #topic Discussion of the resource loader support patch | 15:21 |
| eglynn | once that's landed I'll cut a new client | 15:21 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: ack :) | 15:21 |
| jd__ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024837.html | 15:21 |
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| jd__ | I still failed to read that thread | 15:21 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: what's your concern about the 'not generic enough'? | 15:22 |
| jd__ | my main concern is that we externalized resources in an external file with a different module for handling it | 15:22 |
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| jd__ | whereas I see no reason to not have it into the pipeline definition | 15:22 |
| jd__ | and the problem solved like caching are not to be solved at that level | 15:23 |
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| lsmola_ | jd__: hmm what about resourecs that we want to have automatically retrieved | 15:24 |
| llu-laptop | i just want to give the admin a way to get resource endpoints without restarting the agent | 15:24 |
| jd__ | lsmola_: could you elaborate? | 15:24 |
| lsmola_ | jd__: for example for tripleo, we will ask nova to give us list of IPs | 15:24 |
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| lsmola_ | jd__: should we implement that as part of inspector logic that can be turned on? | 15:25 |
| llu-laptop | lsmola_: i think we can have a restful resource loader then | 15:25 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: reloading the file is a different problem, don't try to solve two problems at the same time | 15:25 |
| lsmola_ | jd__: or should this reside somewhere aprat from ceilometer as plugin | 15:25 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: if we want to have automatic reload of config file, we'll do that in a generic way for all files for example | 15:25 |
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| jd__ | lsmola_: that would be a sort of extension for getting resources list, we don't have that yet, but we could build something around that ultimately | 15:26 |
| lsmola_ | jd__: ok, rbrady will probably do it once the patches are in | 15:26 |
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| lsmola_ | jd__: I just wanted to make sure that it make sense to have it in the ceilometer codebase | 15:26 |
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| jd__ | lsmola_: basically we already list resources when we poll for things like instances (we list instances) | 15:27 |
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| lsmola_ | jd__: when you can use it only when you deploy openstack via tripleo | 15:27 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: does that help you? | 15:27 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: so your suggestion is to drop the resource loader idea, and leave it to the pollster or inspector themselves? | 15:28 |
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| lsmola_ | jd__: ok then, we will send the patch, thank you | 15:28 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: no, it have them part of the pipelines definition | 15:28 |
| llu-laptop | jd__: add another pipeline definition 'resourceloader'? | 15:29 |
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| jd__ | llu-laptop: "resources" for the resources list you want, and if you don't know the resource list, then it's up to the pollster to be able to build one I guess | 15:29 |
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| jd__ | if there can be different type of resource list for a pollster, yeah having a resourceloader parameter for a pipeline would make sense | 15:30 |
| jd__ | so far we have an implicit resourceloader for all pollsters | 15:30 |
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| llu-laptop | jd__: ok this is just what I mean by saying 'leave it to the pollster' | 15:31 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: understood :) | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | e.g. a resource loader for the compute agent that polls nova-api? | 15:31 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: I'm ok with 'leave it to the pollster' if there is no corner case, at least for now maybe | 15:31 |
| eglynn | (... to discover the local virts) | 15:32 |
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| jd__ | eglynn: yeah, we have that already, but it's used implicitely anyway | 15:32 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: I think the compute agent pollsters already does that, don't they? | 15:32 |
| jd__ | I don't know if we need to make it explicit in the pipeline – I don't know if there are cases where it might be useful to be able to change it | 15:32 |
| eglynn | yep, but just wondering for consistency would that be moved into the new resourceloader sbatraction? | 15:32 |
| jd__ | eglynn: it should, if we go that road | 15:32 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:33 |
| llu-laptop | so currently, we don't see any imediate needs for resource loader | 15:33 |
| llu-laptop | ? | 15:33 |
| jd__ | llu-laptop: I don't but I am not the sacred holder of All The Use-Cases | 15:33 |
| llu-laptop | s/imediate/immeiate/ | 15:33 |
| jd__ | so if you see use-cases, go ahead | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | I may be missing some context, but I think this is part of what the "cache" argument passed to the pollsters was supposed to help with. | 15:34 |
| eglynn | on a side-note ... I was a little stumped also by the concept that the baremetal hosts had no user or project ID being metered | 15:34 |
| jd__ | OTOH let's not implement YACO (Yet Another Config Option) just for sake of having one | 15:34 |
| eglynn | lsmola_: does tripleo and/or ironic surface the "identity" associated with baremetal hosts? | 15:34 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: the question is about what's put inside the cache and by who :) | 15:34 |
| eglynn | (... even if it's always an administrative user/tenant) | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | if there was a set of pollsters that needed some data (the resources), a base class could load them and store them in the cache on each iteration | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | jd__: ah | 15:34 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn: I believe Ip adress is enough for SNMP, right? | 15:35 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: i.e. the list of resources is cached, but the question is how do you get that list of resources (that's why we talk about resourceloader) | 15:35 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: this is not for baremetal only | 15:35 |
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| lsmola_ | eglynn: that should be stored in Undercloud nova | 15:35 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: ok, got it | 15:35 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: sure, but at least *some* of the hosts would generally be baremetals, right? | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | ... /me just thinking in terms of capturing "owner" identity where it makes sense | 15:36 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: yes. but from snmp point of view, there is no way to know the undercloud project-id, because it doesn't require the undercloud to make itself working | 15:37 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: a-ha, I see ... | 15:37 |
| * jd__ stares at 'undercloud' | 15:37 | |
| lsmola_ | eglynn: not sure what is 'owner' of baremetal :-) | 15:37 |
| eglynn | lsmola_: the user that "registered" the host, if such a concept even exists (?) | 15:38 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn: I believe we don't work with project/tenants in Undercloud | 15:38 |
| eglynn | lsmola_: k | 15:38 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn: or User | 15:38 |
| jd__ | shall we move on gentlemen? | 15:38 |
| eglynn | sure | 15:38 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn: it might appear some day | 15:38 |
| jd__ | we got an overcloud topic next | 15:38 |
| jd__ | #topic Handle Heat notifications: new meters?, targeted to I3? | 15:39 |
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| jd__ | scroiset: around? | 15:39 |
| scroiset | it's me, yeah | 15:39 |
| jd__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/handle-heat-notifications | 15:39 |
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| scroiset | I would like share and agreed with you the resulting meters we will generate with heat notifications | 15:39 |
| jd__ | please enlighten us about your evil plan | 15:39 |
| scroiset | I propose those described in BP | 15:39 |
| scroiset | It's to be able to bill on stack CRUD firstly | 15:40 |
| jd__ | what's in the whiteboard looks more like notification than samples | 15:40 |
| jd__ | but we can map to samples for sure | 15:40 |
| scroiset | notifications are described here #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SystemUsageData#orchestration.stack..7Bcreate.2Cupdate.2Cdelete.2Csuspend.2Cresume.7D..7Bstart.2Cerror.2Cend.7D: | 15:41 |
| eglynn | the autoscaling aspect struck me as being a bit circular | 15:41 |
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| scroiset | sample proposed differs from notificaiton | 15:41 |
| jd__ | eglynn: you want to autoscale on the autoscaling meters? | 15:41 |
| jd__ | also know as übercloud | 15:41 |
| scroiset | jd__: no | 15:41 |
| eglynn | well would the flow be something like ... ceilo compute stats -> fire auotscale alarm -> heat launches instance -> heat notification of scale-up -> more ceilo samples | 15:42 |
| scroiset | 1/ I want to be able to bill on stack crud | 15:42 |
| scroiset | 2/ I want to be notify when an autoscaling is done | 15:42 |
| jd__ | scroiset: you may want to bill on numbers of stack too, I think this one's missing | 15:42 |
| scroiset | the bp is for 1/ | 15:43 |
| jd__ | otherwise I see no objection | 15:43 |
| eglynn | ... yeah now that I wrote a flow down, it doesn't seem that unnatural | 15:43 |
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| scroiset | jd__: yes, I can do it by counting the stack.create sample | 15:43 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: I don't see why the last 'more ceilo samples' would definitely trigger another 'fire autoscale alarm' | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: yep, it wouldn't | 15:44 |
| scroiset | llu-laptop: no it wouldn't indeed | 15:44 |
| eglynn | (different meter in general of course) | 15:44 |
| eglynn | ... just me thinking aloud, ignore & carry on :) | 15:45 |
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| scroiset | ... so. for new meter/samples, do you see the need ? | 15:45 |
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| scroiset | .. billing purpose only. | 15:46 |
| scroiset | my point 2/ is another BP #https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/alarm-on-notification | 15:47 |
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| scroiset | I'm feeling alone here, I'm surely not clear... am not I ? | 15:48 |
| nadya_ | we are here :) | 15:49 |
| eglynn | well that other BP is intended to allow alarming on notifications (as opposed to allowing an operator to bill on the number of notifications over a period) | 15:49 |
| tongli | @scroiset, I am working on that now. | 15:49 |
| scroiset | tongli: I saw you'r the owner | 15:49 |
| tongli | @scroiset, not exactly sure what your concern is. | 15:49 |
| tongli | @scroiset, planning to submit the patch later today or tomorrow. | 15:50 |
| jd__ | re | 15:50 |
| eglynn | (presuming that you want to be able to bill on the number of autoscale events say, not to generate an alarm on a single autoscale notification being received) | 15:50 |
| jd__ | sorry I got kicked out by a local BOFH | 15:50 |
| scroiset | tongli: I would like create an alarm on the event orhestration.autoscaling.end to be alerted when occurs | 15:50 |
| jd__ | yeah tongli is working on that | 15:50 |
| scroiset | tongli: cool | 15:50 |
| jd__ | let's circle back to that at the end if we have time | 15:50 |
| jd__ | I think scroiset concern are good now | 15:50 |
| tongli | @scroiset, yeah, you will be able to do that when the patch gets merged,I've been working with jd__ and eglynn on it. | 15:51 |
| jd__ | #topic Should I proceed with aggregation? | 15:51 |
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| jd__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/aggregation-and-rolling-up | 15:51 |
| eglynn | I left some comments on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-aggregation | 15:51 |
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| nadya_ | So guys, I created a bp and have started implementation | 15:51 |
| jd__ | I'm not really opiniated yet on that one | 15:51 |
| eglynn | IIUC only stats queries that have periods that actually line up with wall-clock boundaries will benefit from the pre-aggregation | 15:51 |
| eglynn | nadya_ is that correct? ... or a gross simplification? | 15:51 |
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| eglynn | (... in practice, I'm not sure these wallclock-clamped queries will be the majority) | 15:52 |
| jaypipes | eglynn: as opposed to what exactly? | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | as I think alarming, charting applications etc, would tend to use NOW as their baseline for queries | 15:53 |
| nadya_ | there should be a mechanism of merging old-data and online | 15:53 |
| eglynn | ... not NOW-(minutes past the hour) | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | jaypipes: say stats query with period one hour, but with start and end timestamps decoupled from an hour boundary | 15:53 |
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| nadya_ | NOW is not a problem. You may use cache for 10 hours before NOW and get other data from db directly | 15:54 |
| eglynn | jaypipes: ... I put a worked example in nadya_'s etherpad | 15:54 |
| jaypipes | eglynn: ah, yes, agree completely. | 15:54 |
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| jaypipes | eglynn: I'm still not sold on the idea that the aggregate table has value over just a simple caching layer for the statistics table. | 15:54 |
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| eglynn | nadya_: but if the query periods are 10:07-11:06,11:07-12:06,... and the cache periods are 10:00-10:59,11:00-11:59,... then its a total cache-miss, or? | 15:55 |
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| nadya_ | eglynn, we just do not have cache for this | 15:56 |
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| nadya_ | eglynn, if I create half-hour aggregates it will work as well | 15:57 |
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| nadya_ | it may be configurable. I think an hour is ok for now | 15:57 |
| eglynn | nadya_: yep, so I'm wondering if such queries are in majority, would the cache give that much benefit | 15:57 |
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| nadya_ | eglynn, hour-cache is for long-queries by definition | 15:58 |
| jaypipes | eglynn: the only time I can see those queries being in the majority is in a graphical user interface that shows a graph of meters on hourly intervals... | 15:58 |
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| jaypipes | eglynn: but I'm not sold that such a use case is not better implemented as a simple memcache caching layer that saves the results of a SQL query against the main meter table... | 15:59 |
| lsmola_ | jaypipes: something like that is being implemented in Horizon | 15:59 |
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| eglynn | lsmola_: the current horizon metering dashboard doesn't use time-clamped queries, or? | 15:59 |
| * jd__ is not that sold too on caching | 16:00 | |
| jaypipes | lsmola_: sure, understood. but the architecture/design of a backend server should never be dictated by the needs of a front-end UI. | 16:00 |
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| lsmola_ | eglynn: you mean with use of period parameter? | 16:00 |
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| eglynn | lsmola_: I mean [(start, start+period), (start+period, start+2*period), ..., (end-period, end)] | 16:01 |
| jd__ | we need to wrap up now guys | 16:01 |
| jd__ | it may be better to continue this on the list as needed | 16:01 |
| nadya_ | I'm afraid we're out of time. To summ up, this functionality is to make long-time queries faster | 16:01 |
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| eglynn | lsmola_: where start % 1hour != 0 even if period == 1hour | 16:02 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn: well that is shown in the timeseries line chart | 16:02 |
| cody-somerville | :) | 16:02 |
| jaypipes | continue discussion in #openstack-ceilometer? | 16:02 |
| eglynn | jaypipes: sure | 16:02 |
| jd__ | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 16:02:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-23-15.03.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-23-15.03.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-01-23-15.03.log.html | 16:02 |
| lsmola_ | eglynn: using the period parameter and time filter to start and end | 16:02 |
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| jd__ | thanks guys, happy hacking | 16:02 |
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| ildikov_ | thanks, bye | 16:02 |
| lsmola_ | thanks guys, have a good day | 16:03 |
| cody-somerville | #startmeeting storyboard | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 23 16:03:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cody-somerville. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:03 |
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| cody-somerville | Good morning everyone! | 16:03 |
| miqui | hello .... | 16:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi! | 16:03 |
| ruhe | hi | 16:03 |
| * miqui passing out cookies... | 16:04 | |
| cody-somerville | #topic Storyboard sprint | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Storyboard sprint (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 16:04 | |
| cody-somerville | I hope everyone is excited for next week's storyboard sprint in Brussels. | 16:04 |
| gothicmindfood | we're going to sprint next week! | 16:05 |
| * gothicmindfood thinks she'll be sprinting to the coffee maker, really | 16:05 | |
| cody-somerville | gothicmindfood: Do you have a schedule/outline proposal to share? | 16:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 16:05 |
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| ruhe | bad news from NikitaKonovalov, SergeyLukjanov and ruhe. our visas got stuck in Belgium embassy and there is a chance we will not be able to attend the sprint | 16:06 |
| cody-somerville | Oh no! | 16:06 |
| miqui | ooh..... | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | WHAAAAA | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | NO GOOD | 16:06 |
| cody-somerville | ruhe: Is there anything that can be done? Would a invitation letter from Open Stack Foundation help (not that I can provide one or offer one)? | 16:06 |
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| miqui | so that begs the question...what about remotes conf line....etc..etc | 16:07 |
| ruhe | cody-somerville: invitation letter might help | 16:07 |
| cody-somerville | #action cody-somerville to see if ttx can get invitation letters to help expedite visas for NikitaKonovalov, SergeyLukjanov and ruhe. | 16:08 |
| cody-somerville | Right, remote conf lines | 16:08 |
| ruhe | cody-somerville: thank you! | 16:08 |
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| ttx | cody-somerville: invitation wouldneed to cmoe from a Belgian company | 16:08 |
| cody-somerville | In that case, maybe the invite should come from HP. | 16:08 |
| gothicmindfood | cody-somerville: is my HP line good everywhere? | 16:08 |
| * gothicmindfood means HP conference line | 16:09 | |
| cody-somerville | miqui: HP will happily make audio conferencing services available so that those who can't attend can dial in for specific discussions. | 16:09 |
| ttx | cody-somerville: that would look better coming frmo HP Belgium than my one-man shop in France, for sure. | 16:09 |
| cody-somerville | Will make details around audio conferencing services available closer to the event. | 16:10 |
| miqui | tnx cody-somerville.. | 16:10 |
| cody-somerville | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Brussels_Sprint | 16:10 |
| cody-somerville | The above is link to wiki page on details on the sprint. gothicmindfood has added a proposed outline schedule. I'd like to propose that we adopt it. We can of course we as flexible as we need to be but some structure I think can help us have time to prepare (get our thoughts in order before the event) and stay on track while we're there. | 16:11 |
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| cody-somerville | Any objections? | 16:12 |
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| krotscheck | Nope. | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | We could do a vote and be all official and stuff | 16:12 |
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| cody-somerville | That sounds like fun. :) | 16:13 |
| cody-somerville | #vote Adopt proposed schedule? | 16:13 |
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| cody-somerville | #startvote Adopt proposed schedule? | 16:13 |
| miqui | no objections, exception there is no mention of onboarding others.... say for example when am ready to start contributing.. | 16:13 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Adopt proposed schedule? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 16:13 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:13 |
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| ttx | schedule looks good. I shall have time to explore a number of use cases in those empty slots | 16:14 |
| ttx | #vote Yes | 16:14 |
| cody-somerville | #vote Yes | 16:14 |
| ruhe | #vote Yes | 16:14 |
| krotscheck | #vote Yes | 16:14 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #vote Yes | 16:14 |
| miqui | #vote yes | 16:14 |
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| mordred | #vote Yes | 16:14 |
| gothicmindfood | #vote Yes | 16:15 |
| gothicmindfood | miqui - excellent point | 16:15 |
| cody-somerville | miqui: re: onboarding, like having some help getting started hacking on it? That's a good idea. | 16:15 |
| cody-somerville | #endvote | 16:15 |
| openstack | Voted on "Adopt proposed schedule?" Results are | 16:15 |
| gothicmindfood | I wanted to start with the big team/documents so we could have guidance when prioritizing the technical work | 16:15 |
| gothicmindfood | miqui - maybe we can include that as an item in the team contract? | 16:16 |
| gothicmindfood | so we have a process or set of goals around what it is | 16:16 |
| gothicmindfood | (onboarding) | 16:16 |
| miqui | gothicmindfood: sure... thats a start... | 16:17 |
| gothicmindfood | or - did you want to actually be onboarded DURING the sprint, miqui ? | 16:17 |
| * gothicmindfood might be misunderstanding | 16:17 | |
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| cody-somerville | #action gothicmindfood to follow-up with miqui on onboarding idea. | 16:18 |
| gothicmindfood | thanks cody-somerville | 16:18 |
| cody-somerville | Next, HP is going to be happy to sponsor a team dinner Thursday evening. So please keep your calendars open. Please put on wiki asap if you have food concerns/allergies/requirements. | 16:18 |
| cody-somerville | You might also want to e-mail me if they're hard requirements. | 16:19 |
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| krotscheck | Yay food! | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | I like eating. | 16:19 |
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| cody-somerville | Also, on Friday starting at 6pm (and finishing laaate) there is the famous FOSDEM Beer Event. | 16:19 |
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| cody-somerville | As you probably already know, FOSDEM is taking place 10:30am-7pm on Saturday, 9am-6pm on Sunday. No registration necessary. Lots of people. No marketing talks. No sponsored talks. You love it or hate it I'm told. | 16:20 |
| ruhe | evil embassy, doesn't want to let me drink beer | 16:21 |
| cody-somerville | :( | 16:21 |
| miqui | githicmindfood: not sure, perhaps just start hacking on it, onboarding during a sprint might slow things down... | 16:21 |
| cody-somerville | If you have any awesome amazing ideas or proposals on the direction to take storyboard, I'd like to recommend that you share in ADVANCE of the sprint to let people have time to digest. Also please speak with gothicmindfood if you'd like to have specific time to pitch and discuss. | 16:22 |
| cody-somerville | Any other topics/comments/etc. on the sprint? | 16:22 |
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| krotscheck | Can we make it an annual thing? | 16:23 |
| * krotscheck likes asking really premature questions | 16:23 | |
| krotscheck | No questions here. | 16:23 |
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| gothicmindfood | krotscheck should pick out our next 5 sprint locations | 16:23 |
| cody-somerville | krotscheck: annual! You can't be serious. That's clearly not often enough!! ;) | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | .... | 16:23 |
| krotscheck | WELL THEN | 16:23 |
| cody-somerville | I say every two weeks we have a sprint | 16:23 |
| miqui | cody-somerville: how do we share ideas for sb ? send you email? wiki post? | 16:23 |
| cody-somerville | OH!!! | 16:23 |
| miqui | in my other project we have a two week sprint... back to back | 16:24 |
| cody-somerville | miqui: e-mail to openstack-dev with [storyboard] in subject, ccing people you might think to be particularly interested | 16:24 |
| miqui | then a hip sprint (nothing but fixing bugs) | 16:24 |
| miqui | and the we start again with a new sprint x.... | 16:24 |
| miqui | cody-somerville: thanks... | 16:25 |
| NikitaKonovalov | miqui, you may also create etherpads | 16:25 |
| cody-somerville | +1 to etherpads | 16:25 |
| cody-somerville | just be sure to share the link :) | 16:25 |
| miqui | ah yes... | 16:25 |
| miqui | ofcourse... | 16:25 |
| cody-somerville | #topic storyboard-webclient current state (and how to test) | 16:25 |
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| cody-somerville | krotscheck! You're up! | 16:25 |
| cody-somerville | :) | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | RIGHT | 16:25 |
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| krotscheck | So the last few commits move us into the world of "Client and API are talking together" world | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | THere's several patches out on infra/config that seem to have been sidelined by the current zuul jenkins crazyiness that has been going on. | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | So while jenkins is still trying to use our build bash scripts, the codebase has already moved on to using tox | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Also, ruhe's work on the puppet module is still awaiting a +2. | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Though Kai did add some good comments yesterday. | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | Things that we really need to get done: | 16:28 |
| ruhe | yeah, i was so happy to see first comments on my patch | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | 1- Sit on infra's head to get our patches through. (I've got clark) | 16:28 |
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| krotscheck | 2- Start writing a few integration tests to make sure those work. | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | 3- Get things onto a server (wahtever that takes) | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | everything else is feature development. | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | We need to talk about authentication/authorization, and NikitaKonovalov just submitted a patch for that | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | that is a kind of a stub | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: It's a good starting point :) | 16:29 |
| cody-somerville | It seems like we're talking a lot about auth/auth? Isn't it really a solved problem? Or is this just us figuring out what that is? | 16:30 |
| cody-somerville | Also, are we able to get things easily running standalone to try out? ie. Can I spin this all up easily enough in HP cloud? Is that documented? | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | cody-somerville: Ehn, there's a lot of unkonwns because only NikitaKonovalov 's actually sat down and written something. | 16:30 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | there are no out-of-box solutions for pecan to handle oauth | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | cody-somerville: We're not on a server yet, but you can use tox to spin up the client and the API independently | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | cody-somerville: Though the current master versions won't work with one another - we need to land some patches first. | 16:31 |
| cody-somerville | ouch | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Want to talk more about auth? | 16:31 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck, that would be nice | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | cody-somerville: To be honest, the whole "install path" question is only now starting to come together. | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | Got it. | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck NikitaKonovalov Talk about auth, auth, and auth. | 16:33 |
| cody-somerville | krotscheck: What can I (or others) do to get client and API server working together again? | 16:33 |
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| krotscheck | cody-somerville: Code review | 16:33 |
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| ruhe | +1 for code review | 16:33 |
| cody-somerville | krotscheck: Do you have links handy so we can add them to meeting minutes? | 16:33 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | agree, we need code reviews | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | Also, we need to get someone other than ttx and mordred with python chops to have +2 | 16:34 |
| ruhe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+storyboard,n,z | 16:34 |
| cody-somerville | #action cody-somerville to take two hours to do code review later this afternoon. | 16:34 |
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| krotscheck | Preferably a non-HP person. | 16:34 |
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| cody-somerville | Acknowledged. | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | ANyway: Big goal before the sprint is to get our two pieces talking to each other and onto a server. | 16:35 |
| cody-somerville | gothicmindfood: ^^ Can you make sure we discuss core-reviewers at sprint? | 16:35 |
| gothicmindfood | cody-somerville yup | 16:35 |
| cody-somerville | krotscheck: Agreed. | 16:35 |
| cody-somerville | krotscheck: I'll do what I can to help with that. | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | So everyone who wants to help with figuring out our install path, please feel free. | 16:36 |
| ruhe | jfyi http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/storyboard-reviewers-30.txt :) | 16:36 |
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| cody-somerville | ruhe: You're making me look bad! ;P | 16:36 |
| cody-somerville | Anything else on this topic? | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | ruhe's point on the puppet module. | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | But that's it | 16:36 |
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| cody-somerville | ruhe: Anything to add on puppet module bit before we move on? | 16:37 |
| ruhe | on puppet module: i'll resolve Kai's comments asap | 16:37 |
| cody-somerville | Awesome. | 16:37 |
| cody-somerville | #topic npm repository mirror | 16:37 |
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| cody-somerville | krotscheck: I believe this is you as well. | 16:37 |
| mordred | things don't work in the infra systems if they need to regularly talk to the internet | 16:37 |
| mordred | as in, the internet doesn't work | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | RIght | 16:38 |
| cody-somerville | mordred: :( | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | Someone's sitting on the tubes | 16:38 |
| mordred | we run a LOT of testing - the percentages are against us | 16:38 |
| mordred | so what we do for other system is make sure that we have a local mirror | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | To stabilize our build, it's probably best that we set up an NPM mirror.. | 16:38 |
| mordred | yah | 16:38 |
| mordred | the pypi mirror we have is selective | 16:38 |
| mordred | that is, it only mirrors the thigns we need it to mirror | 16:38 |
| cody-somerville | Can we easily mirror the pypi mirror model? | 16:38 |
| mordred | possibly - | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Sortof | 16:39 |
| mordred | I don't know enough about the pure mechanics of bower and npm | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | NPM's repo is basically CouchDB with a replication job | 16:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | btw, is there a way to commit all the required npm stuff to the repo and use it from local storage? | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | That replication script can be filtered. | 16:39 |
| * cody-somerville blinks. | 16:39 | |
| mordred | NikitaKonovalov: no. we will not do that | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov urrrrr.... yeees | 16:39 |
| mordred | no | 16:39 |
| ruhe | other option (not yet utilitized in infra) might be to bake images with disk-image-builder. those images will have everything pre-installed | 16:39 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: But that might nto be a great idea | 16:39 |
| mordred | ruhe: we're not to the place where we can do that in the infra systems yet | 16:40 |
| mordred | we also need to solve this genearlly for horizon as well | 16:40 |
| mordred | krotscheck: you're saying that anybody can set up an npm mirror just by connecting a local couchdb? | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | mordred: Yup. On your laptop, it's super easy | 16:41 |
| cody-somerville | https://npmjs.org/package/npm-mirror <-- this looks useful. | 16:41 |
| mordred | krotscheck: ok. let's just look at setting one of those up for infra in general | 16:41 |
| mordred | next question | 16:41 |
| cody-somerville | "npm-mirror is a utility for mirroring a subset of npm packages from another npm registry. It syncs all of the dependencies for a particular node module and writes them to the local filesystem so that a simple webserver can behave like a commonjs compliant package registry." | 16:41 |
| mordred | my god. js has such better tools tahn we do | 16:41 |
| mordred | krotscheck: how easy is it to tell a local environment to use a mirror and not the internet? | 16:41 |
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| krotscheck | mordred: .npmrc | 16:42 |
| mordred | home or local dir/ | 16:42 |
| mordred | ? | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | Urrr... ~/.npmrc? | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | I think we can do a local one. | 16:42 |
| mordred | ok. so - at some point - you shoudl look at select-mirror | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | Oh, wait. | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | YEah, we can tell nodeenv to use something different. | 16:42 |
| mordred | ./modules/jenkins/files/slave_scripts/select-mirror.sh | 16:43 |
| mordred | in openstack-infra/config | 16:43 |
| mordred | this is how we tell pip to use our mirror instead of global | 16:43 |
| mordred | because we dont want to set it directly in the repo itself | 16:43 |
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| mordred | because we'd like for devs at home to use the internet - our mirror is just for our build system | 16:43 |
| mordred | and is a build system impl detail | 16:43 |
| cody-somerville | To setup a npm mirror, is this just a patch we need to submit to something or will it be more involved? | 16:44 |
| mordred | so we want the build system to be able to inject build env information tellinga job to use a mirror | 16:44 |
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| mordred | cody-somerville: we'll need to spin up a server in infra and we'll need to make puppet to run the mirror | 16:44 |
| cody-somerville | mordred: no good to reuse same server as pypi mirror? | 16:45 |
| mordred | cody-somerville: no - the pypi-mirror is built differently - it's just running on static.o.o because it's just static files | 16:45 |
| mordred | we have jenkins jobs that publish to it | 16:45 |
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| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Figure out the details of hosting our own NPM Mirror. | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | cody-somerville: That sounds good... will that install into the filesystem on the throwaway jenkins slave though? | 16:46 |
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| krotscheck | cody-somerville: Oh. No. Neat. So that's a thing. | 16:46 |
| krotscheck | Does anyone else have questions on ths? | 16:46 |
| cody-somerville | a little off topic, but have we ever considered just setting up a squid proxy to do all these caches/"mirrors"? | 16:46 |
| mordred | cody-somerville: yes. it's not good enough | 16:46 |
| cody-somerville | kk | 16:46 |
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| mordred | sadly | 16:47 |
| mordred | cause that would be easier | 16:47 |
| cody-somerville | (plus it can cause all sorts of tricky issues with apt repositories) | 16:47 |
| mordred | yup | 16:47 |
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| cody-somerville | #topic Any Other Business | 16:47 |
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| cody-somerville | Great meeting today. Floor is now open for any other business / topics before we finish up. | 16:47 |
| mordred | yeah - I'd like to talk about the integration testing real quick | 16:47 |
| mordred | krotscheck wrote a great patch to make webclient install storyboard and then integration test that | 16:48 |
| * cody-somerville hi5s krotscheck. | 16:48 | |
| mordred | there are a couple of larger issues I'd like to bring up to make sure we can achieve them as we move this into infra | 16:48 |
| mordred | we need to make sure that whatever we run as the default tox testing env is isolated | 16:48 |
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| mordred | so - we should probably sort out if there is either a) a way to run it with sqlite or b) if we can just use the openstackcitest credentials for mysql that are on the test nodes already | 16:49 |
| mordred | (we _do_ have infra set up already with existing mysql db's prepped for tests) | 16:50 |
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| krotscheck | mordred: The current approach is to use mysql. I don't see why SQLite would be an issue other than apparently alembic doesn't like it. | 16:50 |
| ruhe | mordred: my patch for alembic testing already uses mysql and postgres with openstackci_test credentials | 16:50 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the API can work with sqlite | 16:50 |
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| cody-somerville | alembic doesn't like sqlite because sqlite doesn't do scheme migrations that well | 16:50 |
| ruhe | it shouldn't be difficult to expand other tests | 16:51 |
| NikitaKonovalov | actually it can work with whatever sqlalchemy wokrs with | 16:51 |
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| mordred | ruhe: awesome | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: I stand corrected. Neat | 16:51 |
| mordred | so, let's just continue to use openstackci_test then | 16:51 |
| mordred | like ruhe's patch | 16:51 |
| cody-somerville | #agreed Continue to use openstackci_test like ruge's patch to run against mysql and postgres | 16:51 |
| mordred | I _think_ that there is a variable set somewhere (you can look in the nova tests) that indicates the presence of the openstackci_test db | 16:52 |
| mordred | also ... | 16:52 |
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| mordred | we'll want to make use of zuul so that changes to storyboard and storyboard-webclient test against each other | 16:53 |
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| cody-somerville | +1 | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | +1 | 16:53 |
| NikitaKonovalov | +1 | 16:53 |
| mordred | which means ... we might want to make a version of the integration testing which doesn't pull master.tar.gz but instead assumes that somehting has put storyboard somewhere | 16:53 |
| cody-somerville | #agreed we'll want to make use of zuul so that changes to storyboard and storyboard-webclient test against each other | 16:53 |
| mordred | OR - just make an integration test script which grabs the two repos from zuul and then configures one to use the other | 16:54 |
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| mordred | cool. that all soudns sane then | 16:54 |
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| cody-somerville | Schweet. | 16:54 |
| cody-somerville | Thank you mordred. | 16:55 |
| cody-somerville | Anything else before we end today? | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | I'm good | 16:55 |
| cody-somerville | Really looking forward to meeting folks next week and having a chance to hack on storyboard for two days. | 16:55 |
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| mordred | ++ | 16:56 |
| gothicmindfood | me too! I hope we can get everyone into Belgium! | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | Silly belgians, trying to protect their beer | 16:56 |
| cody-somerville | For those of it that can't make it, we will try our best to include you. If you're feeling excluded, we're not being mean intentionally - do poke! | 16:56 |
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| cody-somerville | You're all awesome, Storyboard is awesome, and Open Stack is awesome. :) So have an awesome day! | 16:57 |
| cody-somerville | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 16:57:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-01-23-16.03.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-01-23-16.03.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-01-23-16.03.log.html | 16:57 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 23 18:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | morning! | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | anyone else here today? | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | ok, perhaps it will be a quiet day | 18:01 |
| bdpayne | #topic Agenda | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | bknudson anything you'd like to discuss? | 18:02 |
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| bknudson | bdpayne: no, haven't been able to focus a whole lot on security stuff lately | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | no worries | 18:02 |
| bknudson | i2 milestone for keystone keeping me busy | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | since it's just us, I do have a keystone question for you :-) | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | I saw a thread about checking password complexity in keystone around the end of Dec | 18:02 |
| bdpayne | do you know if that went anywhere? | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | i.e., is there a blueprint and/or plans to work on that | 18:03 |
| bdpayne | ? | 18:03 |
| bknudson | bdpayne: I haven't seen a blueprint or any submissions for changes | 18:03 |
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| joel-coffman | hey, I had to step away from my desk for a minute | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | hi joel-coffman | 18:03 |
| bknudson | some people thought it was a good idea... I thought it was a little odd to only implement that part of a password regimen. | 18:03 |
| nkinder | Hi all | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | bknudson what do you mean by just that part? | 18:04 |
| bknudson | Keystone doesn't do account lockouts, password expiration, any of that normal stuff that orgs expect. | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | oh, I see | 18:04 |
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| bdpayne | yeah... other stuff would be nice too | 18:04 |
| dolphm | bknudson: password expiration is probably landing in icehouse after rotation | 18:04 |
| bknudson | if you keep your users in LDAP you get that. | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | I guess one step at a time ;-) | 18:04 |
| bknudson | so keep your users in ldap | 18:05 |
| dolphm | err in juno* | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | hard to keep them *all* in LH, right? | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | like all service accounts and admins and such? | 18:05 |
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| bdpayne | sorry, on LH.. I mean LDAP | 18:05 |
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| bknudson | some people don't want service accounts in ldap... we had a proposal to have different backends per domain | 18:06 |
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| bknudson | but unfortunately it was half-baked | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | anyway, now that we have other people here I'm happy to return to our regularly scheduled programming | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | savanna folks around? | 18:06 |
| nkinder | Yeah, I think it would depend on the deployment (who owns LDAP, etc.) | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | Any other topics of discussion for today's OSSG meeting? | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder any updates to report? | 18:07 |
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| nkinder | bdpayne: Well, it seems like there's been some progress/agreement on the OSSN naming discussion | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | yes, this is true | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | in so far as people like what I suggested ;-) | 18:08 |
| nkinder | I still need to research moving it into git/gerrit. | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | for those that didn't see... the current plan seems to be to just do incremental numbering without concern of the date / year | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | OSSN-001, OSN-002, etc | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | git / gerrit would be really nice | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | do you know who we talk to about setting that up? | 18:09 |
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| nkinder | nope, was going to do some digging | 18:10 |
| nkinder | pointers would be appreciated :) | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | ok, I'm not actually sure myself | 18:10 |
| nkinder | Ok, I'll dig then | 18:10 |
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| bknudson | nkinder: I would ask the infra team -- post to the mailing list | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | sounds good | 18:11 |
| bknudson | or on irc | 18:11 |
| nkinder | bknudson: ok, will do | 18:11 |
| malini1 | James Blair <jeblair@openstack.org> | 18:11 |
| nkinder | I don't have much else to report since last week. | 18:12 |
| malini1 | infrastructure team | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | #topic Moving Forward | 18:12 |
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| nkinder | I would like to have some discussions on the summit talk proposals. We had an action item for that last week. | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | So we have a variety of action items frmo the past two weeks of meetings | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | nkinder Ok, we'll touch on that in just a sec | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | links to action items are http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-09-18.02.html and http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-16-18.00.html | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I still have mine as open tasks... but they are on my todo list | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | should get there in the next week | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | nkinder As you mentioned, one item was to discuss the summit talks | 18:14 |
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| bdpayne | In particular, an OSSG specific talk | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | might make sense to take that to email so that we can include Rob? | 18:15 |
| nkinder | bdpayne: yes, e-mail or even phone if you like. | 18:15 |
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| bdpayne | excellent, I will get that setup | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | any other summit talk submissions people would like to discuss? | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | ok | 18:17 |
| malini1 | No talk update but a while back I mentioned geo based computing and storage | 18:17 |
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| malini1 | the storage is possible using "storage policies" coming up in Swift | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | any new OSSNs in the queue? | 18:18 |
| malini1 | now cool UI but it is possible to assign machines to a cluster, give it a policy, say "geo-use" and use that policy for object storage | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | malini1 interesting | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | sounds like things are generally quiet today, which is fine | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | let's hit the open action items | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | and return next week with more to discuss | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | have a great week | 18:19 |
| bknudson | thanks | 18:19 |
| malini1 | opps, not "now" but "No" cool UI | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 18:20:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-23-18.00.html | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-23-18.00.txt | 18:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-01-23-18.00.log.html | 18:20 |
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| nkinder | thanks! | 18:22 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting openstack-state-management | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 23 19:59:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_state_management' | 19:59 |
| harlowja | hi all | 20:00 |
| ekarlso | yo | 20:00 |
| haruka_ | hi | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:00 |
| * harlowja waiting a few | 20:01 | |
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| iv_m | hi there | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025168.html | 20:03 |
| harlowja | just got out of meeting, didn't update agenda yet | 20:03 |
| harlowja | but thats the agenda ^ | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | hi iv_m ekarlso thx for coming :) | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | guess small meeting today | 20:04 |
| harlowja | #topic action-items | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-01-16-20.00.html | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | so i didn't do mine yet, still, bugging infra about zookeeper | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | :( | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | but would rather let infra folks calm down and not both them with to much for a little while | 20:05 |
| harlowja | due to all the gate issues and stuffs | 20:05 |
| harlowja | so i'll try to do that soon, along with the review for config changes that we have up | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | #action harlowja followup when infra calms down about zookeeper test usage | 20:06 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja followup when infra calms down about venv conf changes | 20:06 |
| iv_m | while we are waiting for config changes, what do u thing about https://review.openstack.org/68622 ? | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | seems fine | 20:07 |
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| harlowja | test maximal dependencies instead of minimal right? | 20:07 |
| iv_m | ya | 20:07 |
| harlowja | k, seems ok to me | 20:08 |
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| harlowja | thx iv_m | 20:08 |
| iv_m | i think most people would use pyXY envs as default ones | 20:08 |
| harlowja | agreed | 20:08 |
| harlowja | alright cool, lets go onto next interesting topic | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #topic oslo-taskflow | 20:09 |
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| harlowja | so there has been some back and forth for the last week or 2 or 3 about taskflow + oslo | 20:09 |
| harlowja | so maybe we can come to some conclusion on it | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-taskflow | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | to me the benefits could outweight the drawbacks, but its an unknown process, so its hard to predict what could/couldn't happen | 20:10 |
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| harlowja | talking with dhellmann i think he's fine with helping work through the process if we do it, maintain our independence and see what happens | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | *after the infra stuff changes, since it will have side-efffects for infra team (the changes and all that) | 20:12 |
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| * dhellmann perks up his ears | 20:13 | |
| harlowja | and we can help establish the rules for libraries like taskflow, how/what does it mean to be in oslo, what does it mean to have 2 PTLs (in a way) | 20:13 |
| harlowja | dhellmann just was discussing about oslo,vsnot | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was thinking of something similar to the lieutenant model, where there's a lead maintainer for each library | 20:13 |
| harlowja | k | 20:13 |
| harlowja | what would general doug then do i guess? | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | I'd be happy to have taskflow in oslo, but don't want to have to take over leadership directly, which I think matches what you want? | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | heh | 20:14 |
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| dhellmann | report to admiral ttx | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | agreed, thats what i'd like, but its like 2/3 levels of management, so unsure what that implies i guess | 20:14 |
| harlowja | *2/3 new levels | 20:15 |
| harlowja | as long as taskflow behaves, it doesn't seem like much changes? | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | well, I'd just be there to keep you from having another weekly meeting and you'd do all of the triage, scheduling, etc. as you do now | 20:15 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 20:16 |
| harlowja | less meetings ftw | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | right | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | changbl yt, iv_m what are your thoughts | 20:16 |
| harlowja | *some of the other cores | 20:16 |
| harlowja | i am personally fine with doing it and seeing what happens | 20:18 |
| harlowja | help work through the *bugs* in the process | 20:18 |
| harlowja | dhellmann u just make sure pbr is like releasing on xyz date, making sure communication is there, stuff like that right? | 20:19 |
| iv_m | it's still unclear to me, what does it mean to be in oslo -- what will change, initally, beside repo url and organizational structure? | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: yeah, that's the idea | 20:19 |
| harlowja | iv_m so oslo i don't think would change otherwise initially | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | iv_m: the benefit is you can run pre-release code in the gate tests against the rest of openstack | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | which means that openstack apps that rely on taskflow won't be able to introduce breaking changes in the way they use the library | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | and vice versa | 20:20 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann with say only using stable versions of taskflow, in those apps, we'd only introduce anything that could change/cause breakage across stable versions (if at all) | 20:21 |
| harlowja | but i guess it does allow for earlier detection of that issue | 20:22 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja: if the tests only run against stable released versions of taskflow, you'd have to do pre-release testing yourself | 20:22 |
| harlowja | right, something that it'd be nice to have machines do | 20:23 |
| harlowja | instead of us meat bags | 20:23 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:23 |
| iv_m | but we are introducing breaking changes from time to time -- we're still 0.1; harlowja is trying to introduce one right now | 20:23 |
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| harlowja | so iv_m is that good or bad to be integrated into the gate tests then? | 20:24 |
| harlowja | it'd allow for earlier fixing for said breaking changes | 20:25 |
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| harlowja | *earlier fixing and detection | 20:26 |
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| harlowja | earlier detection would seem like a nice benefit right? | 20:27 |
| harlowja | instead of only on release detection | 20:27 |
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| harlowja | anyways, i guess we can discuss more offline and keep on thinking about this | 20:28 |
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| dhellmann | yep, it's totally up to you guys | 20:29 |
| harlowja | seems like still undecided/not agreed :) | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | thx dhellmann | 20:29 |
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| harlowja | #topic checkpoints | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | so i think changbl was wondering why checkpoints last week, i gave a basic explanation, changbl u around? | 20:33 |
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| harlowja | i think i get the idea and the impl seems fine to start (although still i think the name can be changed to refeclt more of what the object does) | 20:33 |
| harlowja | *reflect | 20:33 |
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| harlowja | so i am thinking iv_m that we might want to writeup some little tutorial/more detailed wiki on it? | 20:34 |
| harlowja | to make sure that the controller idea is well understood by others | 20:34 |
| harlowja | *controller seems like the rename that might happen to avoid checkpoint name confusion | 20:34 |
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| iv_m | #action iv_m akarpinska wiki writeup on reversion strategies | 20:36 |
| iv_m | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow/+spec/reversion-strategies | 20:36 |
| iv_m | ^^ which is goal for current checkpointing work | 20:36 |
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| iv_m | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/taskflow+branch:master+topic:checkpoints,n,z | 20:36 |
| iv_m | ^^ which is current work in progress | 20:37 |
| harlowja | thx iv_m, be good to have a example maybe, how its used, i know there are some in the reviews, but twiki might be simpler to just referernce quickly with a summary | 20:38 |
| iv_m | there was a writeup on google docs, i think it wan't be hard to update it with our current understanding and move to wiki | 20:39 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:39 |
| harlowja | i do remember some doc somewhere, that seems like a good move | 20:40 |
| harlowja | *to twiki | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | #topic scoping | 20:40 |
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| harlowja | so to me this is another intersting one, especially the changes it could involve, brings up some intersting questions | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | #action harlowja writeup little wiki with a similar explanation as checkpoint/reversion/controller strategies | 20:41 |
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| harlowja | iv_m i've been wanting to see if u think we should try to do this in a way that is mostly harmless to current users (the engine helpers change is the big api difference) | 20:42 |
| harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68263/ would allow for backwards compat (basically assume always anonymous) | 20:42 |
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| ekarlso | what is the changes ? | 20:42 |
| harlowja | so short summary, u create a flow with nested subflows right, ..., to do sometype of work | 20:43 |
| harlowja | when running, currently we track details about what is running and the states and persisted data in a logbook flowdetail container (which is backed by some backend) | 20:43 |
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| harlowja | but when u nested subflows (especially when u associate a name to those subflows) it seems like it makes sense to match those named subflows up with there own flowdetail container instead of just using a single flowdetail container | 20:45 |
| harlowja | this complicates lookup, but does seem a little more natural (to me at least) | 20:45 |
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| iv_m | and to me not exactly more natural ;) | 20:45 |
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| harlowja | :) | 20:45 |
| iv_m | so we can arugue, but u'll win because u're typing faster | 20:46 |
| harlowja | so it raises the question of what are subflows (especially subflows with names) | 20:46 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:46 |
| harlowja | hahaha | 20:46 |
| harlowja | i'll type more slowly now | 20:46 |
| iv_m | to me, subflow names we always mere debugging aid aimed to help to understand what's hapining in flattening and around | 20:47 |
| harlowja | does that somewhat make sense ekarlso ? | 20:47 |
| iv_m | what i was more intersted was state | 20:47 |
| iv_m | i mean, currently subflows don't have separate separate states, and in your scoping patch thay don't have states also -- they share one state | 20:48 |
| iv_m | which is then saved in all the flow details | 20:48 |
| * harlowja thinking | 20:49 | |
| iv_m | not having hierarchy of states was one of the main reasons i did not want hierarchy of flow details | 20:49 |
| iv_m | and i'm still a bit afraid of complexity it introduces | 20:50 |
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| harlowja | agreed | 20:51 |
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| harlowja | i agree on the state thing, its not independent state-machines (in a way) | 20:51 |
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| harlowja | maybe easier/better to figure out how to make it independent state-machines before this change (and see what that loosk like) | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | hierachical state-machines here we come, lol | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | so maybe we can shelve this patch for a little while | 20:53 |
| harlowja | seem ok? | 20:54 |
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| iv_m | i'd better avoid herarchical states entierly | 20:54 |
| harlowja | not sure if we can in the end :) | 20:55 |
| harlowja | anyways, ok, i'll shelve this for a little while, maybe can revisit laterish | 20:55 |
| harlowja | and quick last topic before out of time | 20:56 |
| harlowja | #topic 0.2 | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | so i think we want to get through the checkpointing code right, and the zookeeper 2/3 reviews | 20:56 |
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| harlowja | does that seem doable, i think those are almost done and just need some further reviewing | 20:56 |
| harlowja | so maybe next week we could have 0.2? | 20:56 |
| harlowja | it'd be nice to have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65135/ go through also | 20:57 |
| harlowja | *depending on gate situations* | 20:57 |
| changbl | hi, guys, sorry i am late | 20:57 |
| harlowja | np | 20:57 |
| changbl | harlowja, i was in a meeting | 20:57 |
| harlowja | 2 minutes :-P | 20:57 |
| harlowja | haha | 20:57 |
| changbl | :) | 20:57 |
| harlowja | all good | 20:57 |
| changbl | any thing for me to do/look at? | 20:57 |
| harlowja | just talking about 0.2 | 20:57 |
| changbl | next week? | 20:58 |
| harlowja | i was thinking the checkpoint code (renamed i think to controller code), zookeeper 3 patches | 20:58 |
| harlowja | and that'd be ok for 0.2? | 20:58 |
| harlowja | most of the above is just going through final reviews anyway | 20:58 |
| harlowja | reviews and tweaks | 20:58 |
| harlowja | so next week does seem achievable right? | 20:58 |
| changbl | zookeeper fine with me | 20:58 |
| harlowja | and i guess worker model also iv_m , do u feel stanislav will be ok with that in 0.2? | 20:59 |
| harlowja | that ones the other big neat feature | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63155/ | 20:59 |
| harlowja | changbl if u want to check that out, its coming along, seems like a good chunk of code | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | alot for one commit/review, but pretty seperated anyway | 21:00 |
| harlowja | crap | 21:00 |
| harlowja | time up | 21:00 |
| harlowja | go to #openstack-state-management for more! | 21:00 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 21:00:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-01-23-19.59.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_state_management/2014/openstack_state_management.2014-01-23-19.59.txt | 21:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 23 22:00:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here? | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 22:00 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 22:00 |
| ken1ohmichi | hi | 22:00 |
| masayukig | o/ | 22:00 |
| rahmu | o/ | 22:00 |
| maurosr | o/ | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 22:01 |
| sdague | hey | 22:01 |
| dkranz | hey | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | so let's get started | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #topic Gate Updates (sdague) | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: you're up | 22:01 |
| sdague | great | 22:02 |
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| sdague | so I wanted to make sure people saw the email on this one | 22:02 |
| dkranz | Yup | 22:02 |
| afazekas | hi | 22:02 |
| sdague | New Gating model - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025140.html | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025140.html | 22:02 |
| sdague | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025140.html | 22:02 |
| sdague | heh | 22:02 |
| sdague | race condition! | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | I win... | 22:02 |
| sdague | basically, as people have seen, we remain extremely backed up in the gate | 22:03 |
| sdague | and it's a situation that we don't expect to get better | 22:03 |
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| sdague | in terms of overall load | 22:03 |
| sdague | we can tackle some of the bugs, and that will help | 22:03 |
| sdague | but the load in terms of patches keeps going up at every milestone | 22:03 |
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| dkranz | and will continue to go up even more | 22:03 |
| sdague | so we've got some relatively extensive changes proposed to make i3 viable | 22:04 |
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| sdague | mostly, I wanted to point out the email, and open up for comments discussion | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: it's sounds good to me | 22:05 |
| dkranz | Yes. I was afraid we were on a death march | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | I'm curious to see how this shifts pain points though | 22:05 |
| sdague | agreed, it is an experiment | 22:05 |
| sdague | and I expect we'll adjust over time | 22:05 |
| dkranz | I do think that at some point we will need to go to a per-project branch/merge model like the linux kernel | 22:06 |
| sdague | the one thing we've learned, is we hit new scale levels on every cycle, so have to rethink things from time to time | 22:06 |
| dkranz | But this is a good start | 22:06 |
| sdague | dkranz: we do need some way to test openstack as a whole | 22:06 |
| sdague | because when we haven't, it doesn't work | 22:06 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yes, I had an alternate proposal but I am not going to propose it now because progress is being made | 22:06 |
| ravikumar_hp | Run a slimmer set of jobs in the gate queue to - means reduce gated job? | 22:06 |
| sdague | like when ceilometer turned out it was crashing nova if installed | 22:06 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: my expectation is we'll at least run tempest-full and grenade | 22:07 |
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| sdague | but not in a bunch of different configs | 22:07 |
| sdague | and also, not all the project specific tests, like unit tests | 22:07 |
| dkranz | It is worth trying | 22:08 |
| rahmu | "Make a clean recent Check prereq for entering gate" How do you define "recent" and who will trigger the check? | 22:08 |
| sdague | the clean check scorecard, and auto recheck should keep things just about as functional | 22:08 |
| sdague | rahmu: recent == 24hrs | 22:08 |
| sdague | and zuul will trigger it itself if it's out of date | 22:08 |
| sdague | so a +A with old test results will run another check | 22:08 |
| sdague | and if it passes, move to gate | 22:08 |
| sdague | automatically | 22:08 |
| rahmu | sdague: aren't you afraid that this might increase the load on the check gate drastically? | 22:09 |
| rahmu | check queue* | 22:09 |
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| sdague | rahmu: it will, however load in the check queue is less problematic | 22:09 |
| dkranz | It is not just load | 22:09 |
| sdague | because the jobs are independent | 22:09 |
| sdague | the big reset costs of the speculation queue are what's weighing us down now | 22:09 |
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| sdague | this will also help solve a currently unsolved problem, which is reviewers pushing +A before they have test results, or with month old test results | 22:10 |
| sdague | which is actually happening quite a bit | 22:10 |
| sdague | and leading to gate instability | 22:10 |
| dkranz | sdague: Good. It is annoying to look at a review you want to +A but you have to wait with no efficient way to be notified when it is ok. | 22:11 |
| sdague | I think I saw one change in the gate with the last jenkins run from Oct 13 on monday | 22:11 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, this will mean you don't need to | 22:11 |
| sdague | +A, it will do all the right things | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: Oct. 13, yeah I'm sure that won't have a merge conflict :) | 22:12 |
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| sdague | it actually didn't | 22:12 |
| dkranz | :) | 22:12 |
| sdague | it was a stable/havana glance change | 22:12 |
| sdague | however, it couldn't pass because stable/grizzly devstack was not good | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | heh, ok | 22:13 |
| sdague | we'll probably also put some resweep logic in there so that code that's getting reviewed if it hasn't seen results in the past week will rerun as well | 22:13 |
| sdague | so test results will always be reasonably up to date | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | sdague: is that where all of mikal recheck no bug comments are coming from? | 22:14 |
| sdague | but that's a later optimization | 22:14 |
| sdague | mtreinish: so he did it out of band | 22:14 |
| sdague | this will be a feature of zuul | 22:14 |
| dkranz | sdague: When are these changes taking effect? | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | sdague: oh, ok that makes sense | 22:14 |
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| sdague | as soon as jeblair gets the zuul bits solid | 22:14 |
| sdague | possibly as early as this weekend | 22:14 |
| sdague | if not, within a couple weeks | 22:14 |
| dkranz | sdague: cool | 22:14 |
| sdague | in time to fix issues on the system prior to i3 | 22:15 |
| sdague | there have been other things going on as well, zuul now does a slow start on the dependent queue | 22:15 |
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| sdague | so our reset cost is less | 22:15 |
| sdague | only the top N changes will get run, and that will get dynamically adjusted as we pass or fail | 22:16 |
| jeblair | (zuul changes are ready to go) | 22:16 |
| sdague | jeblair: awesome | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | jeblair: nice | 22:16 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68516/ | 22:16 |
| sdague | ok, that's probably enough on gate, unless there are other questions / comments | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | ok let's move on then | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:17 | |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any status updates on blueprints that they'd like to bring up | 22:17 |
| dkranz | just the one I highlighted in the agenda | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I think you put an entry for the negative test stuff | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yep | 22:18 |
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| sdague | let me throw one other one in | 22:18 |
| ravikumar_hp | mtreinish: Are we still using blueprints for test development tasks? | 22:18 |
| sdague | which is actually a nova blueprint - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/remove-v3-xml-api | 22:18 |
| dkranz | ravikumar_hp: I think we said one per project | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | ravikumar_hp: yes for certain classes of tasks | 22:19 |
| dkranz | as a master blueprint | 22:19 |
| sdague | but I've tagged a couple of tempest changes to it, as we'll need to move those through as part of it | 22:19 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-v3-xml-api,n,z | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok we can touch that after dkranz's bp | 22:19 |
| sdague | sure | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | #topic negative tests bp | 22:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "negative tests bp (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:20 | |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok go ahead | 22:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It is related in that xml was the reason for the current -1 on the negative test patch | 22:20 |
| dkranz | So I put four questions in the agenda | 22:20 |
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| dkranz | Marc and I tried to push something with enough meat that folks could really see the whole picture | 22:20 |
| max_lobur | ping devananda | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, yeah the xml discussion is only for v3 | 22:21 |
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| devananda | max_lobur: pong | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | you'll still need it for the v2 side of the negative testing | 22:21 |
| dkranz | Yes, but it is the same issue with negative | 22:21 |
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| sdague | dkranz: what's the crux of the -1? | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | but since there isn't a schema available for v2 I guess it's not really a discussion | 22:21 |
| dkranz | Do we want to maintain xml generation and schemas for the negative tests? | 22:21 |
| sdague | dkranz: in my opinion, no | 22:22 |
| sdague | I think we drop the xml negative tests completely | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | sdague: we probably should keep it for v2 | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | as long as we keep v2 around | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | in tempest | 22:22 |
| sdague | mtreinish: for now, sure, I don't want to increase it though | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah definitely | 22:22 |
| dkranz | I'm ok with keeping the negative xml tests that exist for apis | 22:23 |
| sdague | dkranz: this was actually part and parcel for why I've been pushing hard to get a TC level recommendation to just do JSON | 22:23 |
| dkranz | I just don't want to add xml auto-generation | 22:23 |
| sdague | dkranz: yes, agreed | 22:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: I agree with you | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: for the question in the agenda on schema location I'd say an external file would be best | 22:24 |
| dkranz | sdague: So I think the rest of the -1 were little things that we will fix | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | IMO it just clutters up the test files | 22:24 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: external to tempest? | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | no in tree but outside the test file | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | like in etc or something | 22:24 |
| sdague | mtreinish: that sounds good | 22:24 |
| sdague | or even in the tree in a well known location | 22:24 |
| sdague | etc is something people might think they can change | 22:25 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think it would be good to keep them in the api tree with their pservices | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: also that helps if we add an autogeneration tool to refresh the schemas | 22:25 |
| dkranz | but in separate files | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah that's a good point | 22:25 |
| sdague | dkranz: yes, I think I agree | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: +1 | 22:25 |
| dkranz | Ideally these schemas would have other uses | 22:25 |
| dkranz | like generating api doc | 22:26 |
| sdague | yeh, I think eventually we'll get to a place where we can pull the schemas from the service | 22:26 |
| dkranz | Really what I would like to see is these be required as part of new apis | 22:26 |
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| sdague | but that's a ways down the road | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | ken1ohmichi: are you working on making the schema queriable in nova? | 22:26 |
| sdague | I think that doing this in nova will mean it spreads | 22:26 |
| ken1ohmichi | yes, a lot of patches for it. | 22:26 |
| sdague | nova tends to set the tone for a lot of things | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | ken1ohmichi: ok cool, I just wanted to check | 22:27 |
| dkranz | Remember that those schemas are only for payload and not enough for testgen | 22:27 |
| sdague | dkranz: right | 22:27 |
| sdague | true | 22:27 |
| dkranz | The negative test patch defines a schema that is enough | 22:27 |
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| ken1ohmichi | mtreisnish: Thanks: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-api-validation-fw,n,z | 22:27 |
| dkranz | So if we could agree on a sufficient schema that would be great | 22:27 |
| sdague | I'll promise to look at it in depth once we get the queue back in shape | 22:27 |
| dkranz | And new apis should spec them, and have a way to fetch | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I need to take another look at things too | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | ken1ohmichi: yeah you're right that is a lot of patches in flight | 22:28 |
| dkranz | I'd like to get all the feedback and then we can submit another patch | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well I'd start with splitting the files out | 22:29 |
| dkranz | So we will split the files and remove the JSON in the names | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | it's probably pretty close to ready then | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | we can fix things and iterate after we get an initial working version in | 22:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, great | 22:29 |
| sdague | ken1ohmichi: by the way, nice job on doing all the api validation bits in nova. I think that will be super helpful for the project. | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok is there anything else on this? | 22:30 |
| dkranz | I think that's all for that blueprint | 22:30 |
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| ken1ohmichi | sdague: Thanks. and thanks for reviewing:-) | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | #topic nova v3 xml removal | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: this is you again | 22:30 |
| sdague | oh right | 22:31 |
| sdague | so after polling lots of folks | 22:31 |
| sdague | a few email threads | 22:31 |
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| sdague | it looks like we have concensus to pull xml out of nova v3 before icehouse | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025290.html | 22:31 |
| sdague | russellb just sent an email on it | 22:31 |
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| sdague | so step one is to drop the tempest tests | 22:32 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-v3-xml-api,n,z | 22:32 |
| sdague | so then we can pull out the nova pieces | 22:32 |
| russellb | huzzah. | 22:32 |
| dkranz | Can I do it? | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | yes I'm very happy about this | 22:32 |
| dkranz | :) | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I think sdague has dibs | 22:32 |
| ken1ohmichi | sdague: I'm really glad that. | 22:32 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok | 22:32 |
| sdague | yeh, I have dibs on the removes in nova. I'll start working on them next week | 22:33 |
| russellb | heh | 22:33 |
| dkranz | sdague: I guess since you put them in ... :) | 22:33 |
| sdague | but if you could look over the tempest patches, a quick +2 / +A on those would be good | 22:33 |
| russellb | sdague: you shooting for top spot in "most lines removed" ? :) | 22:33 |
| sdague | it also saves us 5 - 10 minutes on the tempest-full runs | 22:33 |
| sdague | which would be helpful | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | russellb: he loves stat padding | 22:33 |
| sdague | heh :P | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | you should see his e-r patches | 22:34 |
| sdague | I just love killing xml | 22:34 |
| russellb | removing code is the best | 22:34 |
| sdague | agreed | 22:34 |
| sdague | I also think that this is going to simplify a lot of things long term | 22:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: Is there a tc vote about this? | 22:35 |
| sdague | dkranz: it's coming | 22:35 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, good | 22:35 |
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| sdague | I have a todo to work with markmc on language | 22:35 |
| russellb | tc may make a recommendation like ... "XML not required" | 22:35 |
| sdague | right, exactly | 22:35 |
| russellb | TC wouldn't be the one to make a call on the nova decision, for example | 22:35 |
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| russellb | unless the TC wanted to put in some sort of cross project requirement for XML | 22:36 |
| dkranz | russellb: Sure | 22:36 |
| sdague | and trove and ironic look like they will probably not do an XML api because of that | 22:36 |
| russellb | but that'd be bonkers | 22:36 |
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| masayukig | How about other project? They are volume, identity, network? | 22:36 |
| sdague | this is mostly the TC saying that we want to make sure all projects realize we only require a JSON api, not both | 22:36 |
| dkranz | Based on their client, ceilo did xml but in a way that was auto-gen with json | 22:36 |
| russellb | +1 | 22:36 |
| sdague | dkranz: it will be project decisions as what they do in the future | 22:36 |
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| dkranz | I think that is a viable approach | 22:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sure | 22:37 |
| sdague | but this will give projects more flexibility to just not | 22:37 |
| sdague | ceilo did it with wsme, which has it's own set of challenges | 22:37 |
| sdague | they are free to continue down that path | 22:37 |
| dkranz | sdague: yes,just pointing out that ceilo is supporting xml but without all the extra work, or without most of it | 22:37 |
| russellb | still have the verification and doc work ... | 22:37 |
| sdague | dkranz: sure, they have a very small api | 22:38 |
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| sdague | and, like russellb said | 22:38 |
| dkranz | russellb: Yes, and xml bigots will see it is not good xml | 22:38 |
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| russellb | heh | 22:38 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, crappy xml isn't what anyone wants, not even xml people :) | 22:38 |
| sdague | anyway, moving on, I think | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | ok sure | 22:38 |
| * russellb ready for the flames | 22:38 | |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron testing | 22:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron testing (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:39 | |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: you have an update on api testing listed on the agenda | 22:39 |
| mlavalle | Most of the items in the api testing analysis have been claimed by test developers | 22:39 |
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| mlavalle | at this point in time we have a community of 8 to 10 debs writing api tests | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | I train some of them last week in Montreal | 22:40 |
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| ravikumar_hp | mlavalle: hi . we are working on some est development . will send you for review | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | so I think we are in very good shape in this effort | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok are we still blocked by neutron gate issues on this? | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | as far as I know, yes | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok, I'll have to circle back with salv-orlando on helping him with that | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | over the next few weeks I will focus on reviewing the code that this groups submits | 22:42 |
| sdague | mlavalle: great | 22:42 |
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| sdague | thanks again for training at that table in montreal, very helpful | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | once I deem it good enough, I will need help from core reviewers to help us merge the code | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: sure, but we'll need to get the neutron gate working again before we start approving things | 22:42 |
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| mlavalle | onc the gate starts working again i'll ping you guys directly to get the patch sets merged | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok, are you guys using the same bp to track this | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | so there is one branch in gerrit? | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | no, we are using an entherpad | 22:44 |
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| mlavalle | but I can create a blueprint if that helps | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | mlavalle: I just meant for submission if there is a branch view to see all the proposed api tests at once that helps | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | I guess it doesn't have to be a bp to do that | 22:44 |
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| mlavalle | ok cool | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok is there anything else on this topic? | 22:45 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:45 | |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any critical bugs to bring up | 22:45 |
| sdague | I have completely not looked at the bug tracker in 2 weeks | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | or bugs that need attention | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | sdague: I was looking a bit last night | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | and picked off a couple of simple ones | 22:46 |
| sdague | cool | 22:46 |
| dkranz | I will spend some time on this tomorrow | 22:46 |
| dkranz | I've been swamped with other things this week so far | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess there's nothing to discuss on this one. Everyone's been kinda of busy and hasn't had much time to look at bugs | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | let's move to the next topic then | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:47 | |
| mtreinish | does anyone have any reviews that they think need some attention? | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | to appease sdague preferrably that fix gate bugs :) | 22:48 |
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| sdague | well, I'll point at the xml v3 ones | 22:48 |
| sdague | as it will shorten tempest runs, which will help | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah I'll take a look after the meeting | 22:48 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: There is my patch to turn on dumping of all errors into the console log | 22:48 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-v3-xml-api,n,z | 22:48 |
| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66190/2 | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/remove-v3-xml-api,n,z | 22:49 |
| sdague | dkranz: can we actually put that into a separate file? | 22:49 |
| ken1ohmichi | sdague: I will review them today. | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66190/2 | 22:49 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64447/ | 22:49 |
| sdague | in reading the neutron jobs they kind of overwhelm things | 22:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: That is why I didn't do it in the first place | 22:49 |
| sdague | dkranz: oh... also, the error enforcing is actually off again | 22:49 |
| dkranz | sdague: How come? | 22:50 |
| sdague | because we had a few more creep in, so we turned it off on sat | 22:50 |
| rahmu | mtreinish: I'd like to get some attention on this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66384/ and more generally know what's happening with the config-verification bp | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64447/ | 22:50 |
| sdague | it was causing a bunch of resets | 22:50 |
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| clarkb | I have a change up to add at least some of those to the whitelist | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: oh yeah that's a +A | 22:50 |
| sdague | there are some heat and conductor issues that cropped up | 22:50 |
| sdague | I figured lets get the gate back to something sane, then we turn it back on | 22:51 |
| dkranz | Can't we just fix the issues? | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: as for the bp I've got the rework patches up for review | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/config-verification,n,z | 22:51 |
| dkranz | I mean the new ones? | 22:51 |
| sdague | dkranz: with a 55 hr gate queue... not easily | 22:51 |
| rahmu | mtreinish: thanks. Reviewing now. | 22:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: Sigh | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | rahmu: you can base the swift ones on top of that after your patch merges | 22:51 |
| sdague | and the conductor one wasn't obvious, I hit up dansmith before he went on vacation | 22:51 |
| rahmu | mtreinish: yes, that's my intention. | 22:51 |
| sdague | he looked for an hour, and couldn't figure it out | 22:52 |
| sdague | has to do with workers and how they talk to rpc | 22:52 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews that people would like to bring up? | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | ok then lets move on to the open discussion | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 22:54 |
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| dkranz | I just had one question | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | in the last ~6min does anyone have any other topics to bring up? | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 22:54 |
| dkranz | Has any one thought about making a pip package for tempest? | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I have thought about uploading to pip before | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | but we don't really do versioning in tempest | 22:55 |
| dkranz | The assumptions about working directory with testr/discover are not friendly to that | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | I'm also not sure there is much benefit to doing it | 22:55 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, I'm not sure either | 22:55 |
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| afazekas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65805/1 Is it planned to restore the concurrency to 4 ? | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: what do you mean about the working directory? | 22:55 |
| sdague | afazekas: not until we can convince ourselves that we can run under that load | 22:56 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: pip install would put the code in the system dir somewhere | 22:56 |
| sdague | russellb and I have been adding various stats collection to devstack to figure that out | 22:56 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: And then you can't discovre the tests | 22:56 |
| rahmu | dkranz: related: some parts of tempest could be reusable for other projects. I'm thinking mainly about the rest_client. Has anyone thought about separating it into a reusable component? | 22:56 |
| sdague | but there was a strong feeling that we were driving so much load on the nodes that we were getting new classes of fails, and part of the stability issues | 22:56 |
| dkranz | rahmu: That is a different issue and that was discussed recently | 22:57 |
| dkranz | rahmu: But we don't want to take that on now | 22:57 |
| rahmu | dkranz: any log on that discussion? | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: oh, yeah you could solve that pretty easily actually. | 22:57 |
| sdague | for instance the tempest nodes would be at a load average of 8+ for 10s of minutes | 22:57 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: How? I am not sure of those mechanics | 22:57 |
| dkranz | rahmu: somewhere in the irc/qa logs I think | 22:58 |
| sdague | I just want testr to actually tell me what's wrong with a python file when it blows up, instead of doing super cryptic header dump | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well tempest will get installed into a tempest namespace so you can just make a tempest command that would import test_discover package | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | and run testr | 22:58 |
| rahmu | dkranz: okay thanks. Will try to look it up. | 22:58 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, thanks. I;ll think about that. Not sure it's worth it either | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | ok so we're out of time | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | let's end for today | 22:59 |
| dkranz | bye all | 22:59 |
| afazekas | sdague: looks like with 2 thread the jobs takes longer | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 23 22:59:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-23-22.00.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-23-22.00.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-01-23-22.00.log.html | 22:59 |
| rahmu | thans all | 23:00 |
| rahmu | thanks* | 23:00 |
| ken1ohmichi | bye | 23:01 |
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| masayukig | nye | 23:01 |
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