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| * annegentle waves | 13:01 | |
| annegentle | anyone here for the doc / web team meeting? | 13:01 |
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| cyeoh | hi! | 13:01 |
| fifieldt | hiya :D | 13:01 |
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| annegentle | hey! | 13:01 |
| lorin1 | *raises hand* | 13:01 |
| sgordon | \o/ | 13:01 |
| slong_ | Hallo | 13:01 |
| shaunm | morning | 13:01 |
| annegentle | awesome let's get started | 13:01 |
| * sarob sarob waves back | 13:01 | |
| annegentle | #startmeeting Doc Team Meeting | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 9 13:01:53 2013 UTC. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'doc_team_meeting' | 13:01 |
| Daisy | hello | 13:02 |
| fifieldt | big team :D | 13:02 |
| annegentle | yeah, great! | 13:02 |
| annegentle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 13:02 |
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| annegentle | the action was for EmilienM create a blueprint on openstack-manuals to link to https://etherpad.openstack.org/HA-Active-Active | 13:02 |
| annegentle | that's done | 13:02 |
| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-high-availability-support | 13:02 |
| annegentle | and this one was just for posterity | 13:03 |
| annegentle | NickChase to convert google docs to docbook, when the time comes | 13:03 |
| roadnick | right, turns out that it's in Asciidoc | 13:03 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 13:03 |
| roadnick | so it's less of a hassle than we expected. | 13:03 |
| annegentle | sure | 13:03 |
| annegentle | cool roadnick | 13:03 |
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| annegentle | EmilienM: how goes it? | 13:03 |
| koolhead17 | hi | 13:03 |
| EmilienM | annegentle: Nick and I continue the work | 13:04 |
| roadnick | And Emilien's been converting his own stuff as well | 13:04 |
| annegentle | EmilienM: sounds good | 13:04 |
| annegentle | last Action item, sld get in touch with conf file code people to collaborate | 13:04 |
| EmilienM | my next step is Network node in HA | 13:04 |
| annegentle | sld did so via email | 13:04 |
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| annegentle | I did add some agenda items this morning, so next up is | 13:05 |
| annegentle | #topic Completion of Security Guide book sprint | 13:05 |
| annegentle | Congratulations to the team! It's 227 pages in PDf in Crown Quarto format. | 13:05 |
| annegentle | Plus dcramer_ already converted it and we're patching to get PDF and HTML | 13:05 |
| slong_ | Impressive stuff! | 13:05 |
| EmilienM | wow | 13:05 |
| EmilienM | great job guys | 13:06 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 13:06 |
| annegentle | #link http://docs.openstack.org/sec/ | 13:06 |
| annegentle | Already getting requests for it and attention on the epub, really great stuff. | 13:06 |
| roadnick | nice! | 13:06 |
| annegentle | I've encouraged them to present as a panel at the Summit | 13:06 |
| sarob | cool | 13:06 |
| koolhead17 | good idea | 13:06 |
| annegentle | and invited bdpayne to be on doc-core | 13:06 |
| annegentle | so all around great event, great outcome | 13:07 |
| annegentle | anyone from the sprint here and want to say anything? | 13:07 |
| * annegentle doesn't see anyone right away | 13:07 | |
| lorin1 | I just did some reviewing on one of the days, but I thought they did a really great job. | 13:07 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: so we have someone who will lead the whole security doc related fix/upgrade | 13:07 |
| koolhead17 | *identified | 13:07 |
| lorin1 | It was a good group of people assembled for that. | 13:08 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: the team is very keen to keep updates and be part of the process | 13:08 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: bdpayne has esp. stepped up | 13:08 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: great than. | 13:08 |
| lorin1 | I think book sprints may be a useful mechanism for drawing people into the doc effort. | 13:08 |
| annegentle | lorin1: did it feel like a larger group than the Ops one? From pics I couldn't tell | 13:08 |
| fifieldt | looked it to me | 13:08 |
| annegentle | lorin1: agreed | 13:09 |
| lorin1 | It was a slightly bigger group | 13:09 |
| sgordon | on the list i saw it was supposed to be around 15 | 13:09 |
| fifieldt | 13 listed on the cover page | 13:09 |
| annegentle | sgordon: yeah I don't know if they got all 15, 2 were MIA | 13:09 |
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| sarob | something we should copy for the training manuals? | 13:09 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yeah that sounds right | 13:09 |
| annegentle | sarob: a sprint is a powerful mechanism, costs about $10k-15k | 13:09 |
| sarob | why costs? | 13:10 |
| annegentle | sarob: with a specific goal and team assembled it might make sense, could certainly talk through it | 13:10 |
| annegentle | sarob: flying everyone in, paying for facilitation, possibly renting space | 13:10 |
| sarob | ah, right | 13:10 |
| roadnick | Mirantis would be interested in doing a sprint | 13:11 |
| annegentle | sarob: contact me for more details if you want to know all the gory guts of it :) | 13:11 |
| sarob | maybe | 13:11 |
| annegentle | roadnick: what topic? | 13:11 |
| sarob | will do | 13:11 |
| roadnick | I'm not sure yet; HA perhaps. | 13:11 |
| annegentle | roadnick: or just funding one? | 13:11 |
| fifieldt | (annegentle, minor note to clean up for the sec guide - there's two near-identical reviews open for infra/config https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35592/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36102/ ) | 13:12 |
| annegentle | roadnick: ok we could certainly talk more about details | 13:12 |
| roadnick | I was handed goals for Q3, which included "host an upstream sprint". | 13:12 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: aw man | 13:12 |
| roadnick | Boris is sick this week, so I haven't gotten details yet. | 13:12 |
| koolhead17 | roadnick: sounds good!! | 13:12 |
| koolhead17 | roadnick: the HA sprint idea | 13:12 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: he hadn't assigned himself so i picked it up. Drat | 13:12 |
| roadnick | I think he would have jumped on the boot camp if Rackspace wasn't hosting that. :) | 13:13 |
| annegentle | roadnick: oh that's cool. We can certainly talk. | 13:13 |
| roadnick | in fact, I know he would | 13:13 |
| roadnick | k | 13:13 |
| annegentle | roadnick: and we're just offering space so we could certainly adjust | 13:13 |
| roadnick | ok, let's talk. | 13:13 |
| annegentle | ok, great | 13:13 |
| annegentle | #topic v3 Compute API doc plan | 13:13 |
| annegentle | just to give the background, there was a thread started by Chris Yeoh about which extensions would be deprecated for v3 | 13:14 |
| annegentle | I suggested they need to get the word out beyond just the -dev mailing list and really what they need is a document | 13:14 |
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| annegentle | I still don't have a clear plan from the nova team about what they want to do to document v3 | 13:15 |
| sgordon | there is clearly a wider issue here about API upgrades in general though IMO | 13:15 |
| cyeoh | well what I'd like is at least something similar to what we have for V2 | 13:15 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: sure, makes sense | 13:15 |
| cyeoh | eg. something that can be used a reference/spec for anyone wanting to develop against v3. | 13:16 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: and you know all the pieces and parts for that now | 13:16 |
| cyeoh | and my thought was that if we can make the process easier for the doc team by what we do on the Nova side, then we'll do that | 13:16 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: you know about the openstack/compute-api repo right? That's where the spec is housed | 13:16 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: the doc team doesn't write specs, the original v2 spec for Compute was written by Jorge Williams. | 13:16 |
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| annegentle | cyeoh: for sure, we definitely like what nova does for response/requests already, it's great | 13:17 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: i haven't actually looked at it - I don't know much about the whole process except for what Tom was helped me understand :-) | 13:17 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: okay, yup, and I was on vacation last week | 13:17 |
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| cyeoh | ah I didn't realise that about the original V2 spec | 13:18 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: so the openstack/compute-api repo is specifically set up for governance by the nova core team with doc-core also having +2 privileges | 13:18 |
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| annegentle | cyeoh: but the openstack-api-site repo is where all the extensions are documentd | 13:18 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: and since compute is so extension heavy it seems out of balance | 13:18 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: but there is a pattern there :) | 13:18 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: just making sure you know the history | 13:18 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: the original v2 spec has WADL and XSDs that validate | 13:19 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: I don't get the sense that anyone's stepping up to do that for v3 | 13:19 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: and v2.0 Identity is the only other spec that had full WADL and XSD | 13:20 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: ah yea I was kind of hoping that all we'd need to do is produce the api samples (plus a bit more if we can), but looks like it might be more required? | 13:20 |
| cyeoh | (we from the Nova side that is) | 13:20 |
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| cyeoh | and um, to be honest I'm really unfamiliar with WADL/XSD | 13:20 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: well I think nova should provide an app dev reference, also known as a spec | 13:20 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: yeah fair enough. | 13:20 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: other PTLs just write it all down in markdown in their project-api repo | 13:21 |
| roadnick | cyeoh: If you are willing to do the coding, I can help you with WADL/XSD | 13:21 |
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| annegentle | cyeoh: the main thing you need to provide is enough info for an SDK dev to know how to update their code to fit v3 | 13:21 |
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| annegentle | cyeoh: WADL is a good step that way since we have tooling around it | 13:21 |
| cyeoh | roadnick: thanks! | 13:22 |
| annegentle | roadnick: cool | 13:22 |
| annegentle | ok can't really spend all the meeting on v3 but that should give you a good next step or two or three | 13:22 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: ok. it sounds like I need to have a good look at the openstack/compute-api repo | 13:22 |
| cyeoh | to better scope out what we need to do | 13:22 |
| sarob | cyeoh: theres a guy on my team that wants to help on the API docs | 13:22 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: sounds good. | 13:22 |
| * fifieldt senses an action item :) | 13:22 | |
| dianefleming | what was the topic? I came in late - regarding v3? | 13:23 |
| annegentle | sarob: that would be awesome you can tell we need it | 13:23 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: yeah v3 compute | 13:23 |
| dianefleming | thx | 13:23 |
| cyeoh | sarob: that would be really helpful as we're very under resourced for this | 13:23 |
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| sarob | cyeoh: no prob, ill put him in touch with you | 13:23 |
| annegentle | #action cyeoh to study openstack/compute-api for the v2 docs | 13:23 |
| cyeoh | sarob: thx! | 13:24 |
| annegentle | #action roadnick to help with WADL for Compute v3 | 13:24 |
| annegentle | #action sarob to get cyeoh in touch with API docs volunteer | 13:24 |
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| annegentle | any more? | 13:24 |
| annegentle | #topic Install guide plan | 13:24 |
| roadnick | On that, or in general? | 13:24 |
| annegentle | roadnick: open discussion will come | 13:24 |
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| annegentle | shaunm needs hardware, requesting from Cisco | 13:24 |
| annegentle | does anyone else have access to hardware that shaunm could use to test install instructions? | 13:25 |
| annegentle | vbox all the way down only goes so far :) | 13:25 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: i need HW too :) | 13:25 |
| sarob | annegentle: im working on getting public access hardware setup | 13:26 |
| koolhead17 | especially for nova/quantum. Vbox covers rest | 13:26 |
| annegentle | sarob: ohhh cool | 13:26 |
| sgordon | yeah quantum is troublesome | 13:26 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah it's neutron that's the most difficult | 13:26 |
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| sgordon | even with hardware it clashes with corporate network setups a bit | 13:26 |
| annegentle | shaunm has been using old laptops | 13:26 |
| sarob | annegentle: prim for rhok, but we could use too | 13:26 |
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| koolhead17 | sgordon: true. corporate firewall :) | 13:26 |
| annegentle | I had always wished trystack could give access | 13:26 |
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| sarob | it may take a few months though | 13:27 |
| annegentle | anyway, it's a known difficulty with writing install docs | 13:27 |
| annegentle | we'll keep trying | 13:27 |
| koolhead17 | soren: we can use 2 test new release :) | 13:27 |
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| annegentle | dianefleming: I had another "User Guide status" topic on the agenda, but it was just holdover | 13:27 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: do you want to give an update? | 13:27 |
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| dianefleming | ok - | 13:28 |
| annegentle | #topic User Guide status | 13:28 |
| annegentle | ok | 13:28 |
| dianefleming | the update is, I'm still working on the User Guide but got sidetracked on Identity v2.0 and v3 stuff - | 13:28 |
| dianefleming | I hope to have a first draft of User guide ready for review by next Monday - | 13:28 |
| dianefleming | I'll let everyone know by way of the docs d-list | 13:28 |
| dianefleming | I'll point people to the review | 13:29 |
| dianefleming | does that sound okay? | 13:29 |
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| annegentle | dianefleming: sounds good | 13:29 |
| sgordon | yup, excellent | 13:29 |
| annegentle | yeah v3 Identity also came out of the woodwork | 13:29 |
| dianefleming | follow-on to that is the admin user guide | 13:29 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: ah yes | 13:29 |
| koolhead17 | dianefleming: great | 13:29 |
| annegentle | dianefleming: still think that's the way to go, "admin user guide" or do we just go with "admin guide?" | 13:29 |
| annegentle | (not that the title is crucial but...) | 13:30 |
| roadnick | good question | 13:30 |
| roadnick | well, its one book or two | 13:30 |
| annegentle | trying to determine whether we have an overarching like roadnick suggests | 13:30 |
| dianefleming | i like the "end user guide" and "admin user guide" that we are using as a model | 13:30 |
| roadnick | and I do have updates on that... | 13:30 |
| annegentle | roadnick: sure | 13:30 |
| roadnick | I agree with diane on that; I think it's good to have those two | 13:30 |
| dianefleming | overarching? | 13:30 |
| annegentle | actually let me hijack the user guide topic to let you discuss admin user guide :) | 13:30 |
| roadnick | OK, but you hijacked it, not me. :) | 13:30 |
| dianefleming | i haven't had time to look at your blueprint yet, nick | 13:30 |
| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/modularize-admin-guide | 13:30 |
| annegentle | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/os-admin-docs | 13:31 |
| roadnick | Right. | 13:31 |
| annegentle | #topic Admin docs | 13:31 |
| annegentle | and hijacked! Thanks dianefleming | 13:31 |
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| roadnick | So Nermina Miller (who should be here) and I went through the current docs and reorganized them by concept. | 13:31 |
| annegentle | roadnick: you have the floor | 13:31 |
| roadnick | thank you, ma'am! | 13:32 |
| dianefleming | here's the blueprint for admin user guide: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blueprint-os-user-docs#Blueprint_-_OpenStack_Admin_User_Guide | 13:32 |
| roadnick | The idea was to break out of the usual way of thinking aobut it | 13:32 |
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| roadnick | and to think about it more like a book about it than a collection of instructions. | 13:32 |
| nermina | hello everyone | 13:33 |
| dianefleming | hi! | 13:33 |
| * roadnick waves to Nermina | 13:33 | |
| slong_ | Hi | 13:33 |
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| dianefleming | roadnick i looked at your blueprint - it looks like your idea is to single-source one to multiple books from one set of source files | 13:33 |
| dianefleming | is that right? | 13:33 |
| roadnick | correct. | 13:33 |
| roadnick | well, sort of | 13:33 |
| dianefleming | auth 2.0 tried to do that and it had problems, but i can tell you what they were | 13:34 |
| koolhead17 | does this also cover distro specific install instructions | 13:34 |
| sgordon | does clouddoc-maven support docbook "sets" ? | 13:34 |
| roadnick | the idea is to make it possible to keep the multiple books, but make it possible to bring them together | 13:34 |
| roadnick | dianefleming: that would be useful, thanks | 13:34 |
| dianefleming | you could have multiple book files - each one pulls in different common files | 13:34 |
| roadnick | sgordon: I don't know | 13:34 |
| dianefleming | to create different books? | 13:34 |
| sgordon | right | 13:34 |
| lorin1 | I do like the idea of presenting the books as a coherent set of manuals. | 13:34 |
| sgordon | typically that is how you pull multiple "books" together | 13:34 |
| sgordon | we use it with publican but somewhat infrequently | 13:35 |
| roadnick | well, I did a test doc that pulled together multiple books as a single book | 13:35 |
| sarob | that would be cool for training too | 13:35 |
| annegentle | sgordon: I dont' know if the plugin supports sets but I'll take an action item to find out | 13:35 |
| dianefleming | however, i think there's a first step, which is to outline what would go into each "book" before deciding how to implement this | 13:35 |
| roadnick | we will need a bit more work to get more granular in pulling -- say, XPointer rather than just a file | 13:35 |
| annegentle | #action anne to find out if our maven plugin supports sets | 13:35 |
| dianefleming | what is a "set"? | 13:35 |
| sgordon | dianefleming, yes - these only work well if the information architecture of each stands on its own | 13:35 |
| roadnick | dianefleming: that's why I broke them out into two blueprints | 13:35 |
| sgordon | http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/set.html | 13:35 |
| roadnick | sgordon: thanks, I'll have a look at that | 13:36 |
| sgordon | A Set is a collection of Books. | 13:36 |
| sgordon | Set is the very top of the DocBook structural hierarchy. There's nothing that contains a Set. | 13:36 |
| sgordon | is the main two things | 13:36 |
| dianefleming | thanks | 13:36 |
| sgordon | other items are left up to the implementation | 13:36 |
| dianefleming | so a set is a parent to a book? | 13:36 |
| sgordon | publican for instance will pull books into a set even if they are from completely different source control repos | 13:36 |
| sgordon | yes | 13:36 |
| roadnick | so we have the blueprint that includes the TOC; if we can agree on that, then we can start figuring out what content exists and can be used "as-is" and what needs to be wrtten | 13:36 |
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| annegentle | koolhead17: no an admin guide will not also cover distro specific install | 13:36 |
| * fifieldt likes the idea, but notes that if we're doing anything 'comprehensive', it's probably going to land post-havana ... | 13:36 | |
| sgordon | you can use it to combine multiple books into a "megabook" for want of a better term | 13:36 |
| roadnick | what we do NOT plan to do is just assume that every book is pulled in wholesale. | 13:37 |
| sgordon | right | 13:37 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: cool | 13:37 |
| roadnick | Each project is an entity in and of itself; some books, as has been pointed out, are well maintained, some are not. | 13:37 |
| annegentle | I'm with fifieldt on scope | 13:37 |
| roadnick | Some will fit with this structure, some will not. | 13:37 |
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| annegentle | roadnick: your criteria for inclusion? | 13:37 |
| roadnick | I missed fifieldt's scope comment | 13:38 |
| fifieldt | * fifieldt likes the idea, but notes that if we're doing anything 'comprehensive', it's probably going to land post-havana ... | 13:38 |
| annegentle | roadnick: the timing of post-havana | 13:38 |
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| sgordon | for what it's worth summer is really wanting to get involved in this full time but we're looking to make sure there is a clear direction to follow here | 13:38 |
| annegentle | roadnick: we do have time (I think) for dianefleming (or I should ask dianefleming if that's accurate) | 13:38 |
| fifieldt | this is refering to producing the actual guide -- I think we've already started on the modularity work with the various other restructure blueprints | 13:38 |
| sgordon | ("this" being admin materials) | 13:38 |
| roadnick | I think that's fine | 13:38 |
| annegentle | sgordon: yes agreed | 13:38 |
| koolhead17 | fifieldt: that also means we will need to add many new studd | 13:38 |
| koolhead17 | *stuff | 13:38 |
| fifieldt | yes, that's the issue koolhead17 | 13:38 |
| dianefleming | studds | 13:38 |
| roadnick | but I don't think it would hurt to start now | 13:39 |
| slong_ | Hadn't seen that you'd posted the blueprints riadnick, will view asap | 13:39 |
| roadnick | and try to land it as close to havana as possible | 13:39 |
| sgordon | speak of the devil :) | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | to be honest, I think we already have too much work roadnick :) | 13:39 |
| roadnick | I will post the blueprints to the list; they were just finished | 13:39 |
| koolhead17 | fifieldt: will that require us doc sprint every release for all these guides? | 13:39 |
| annegentle | welcome slong_ | 13:39 |
| slong_ | O/ | 13:40 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: I'd like to talk about that in the Program discussion because yes, only a very few guides will be released at release time | 13:40 |
| fifieldt | koolhead17, I'm just noting that we have a ton of restructure work to do before we can do mass content adds again :) | 13:40 |
| roadnick | fifieldt: that's fine with me | 13:40 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: right | 13:40 |
| fifieldt | roadnick, I would be very happy to be wrong :) | 13:40 |
| roadnick | :) | 13:40 |
| annegentle | let's keep talking becaue I think this is shaping us towards 2 more topics, the auto-gen and the Program... | 13:40 |
| roadnick | Nermina has been working on bugs -- though we have some issues getting her connected that we need help wtih | 13:40 |
| * koolhead17 is not intersted in re-writing same every release | 13:40 | |
| annegentle | #topic Auto-generated configuration reference tables for milestone | 13:40 |
| fifieldt | maybe we will just finish the restructure this month - we can try :) | 13:40 |
| roadnick | but when she's done maybe she can help on that, and then when that's done we can start | 13:41 |
| annegentle | orignally we wanted to generate the config tables each milestone, if my memory serves | 13:41 |
| fifieldt | sounds correct :) | 13:41 |
| annegentle | we do have the patch in review now | 13:41 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35726/ | 13:41 |
| fifieldt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 13:41 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: I haven't tried it again this morning to see if I can generate cinder | 13:41 |
| fifieldt | code's not much different annegentle, need to look into it with sld :( | 13:41 |
| lorin1 | There's a patch into keystone to actually add their doc strings. | 13:42 |
| annegentle | lorin1: ok | 13:42 |
| fifieldt | an important feature missing from the code right now (as noted by lorinh) is the ability to update the mapping files | 13:42 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: ok fair enough | 13:42 |
| fifieldt | i.e. detect new options added | 13:42 |
| fifieldt | so you can add the categories just for that | 13:42 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: I think a good test will be to spin up a Jenkins slave and run it there | 13:42 |
| fifieldt | but that's not too hard to do | 13:42 |
| fifieldt | sounds good to me | 13:42 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: they have a script that'll create a Jenkins slave | 13:42 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: ok cool, that's probably how I should've been testing already | 13:42 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: so are you still good with the shape of the config guide? | 13:43 |
| fifieldt | it should have worked - apologies it has been soo much trouble annegentle | 13:43 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: nah no worries | 13:43 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: testing is good for me! | 13:43 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: I like how the config guide is going | 13:43 |
| fifieldt | slowly crafting things | 13:43 |
| fifieldt | modularising | 13:43 |
| annegentle | it's the admin guides that we're going to struggle with | 13:43 |
| annegentle | seems like anyway | 13:43 |
| fifieldt | I should show you some of the patches roadnick | 13:43 |
| roadnick | sure | 13:43 |
| fifieldt | since they're examples of modularising | 13:44 |
| fifieldt | I'd hope you'd approve of | 13:44 |
| fifieldt | :) | 13:44 |
| roadnick | :) | 13:44 |
| roadnick | I'll learn something if nothing else | 13:44 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt: so how will it work to update the tables? | 13:44 |
| fifieldt | if you can follow https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35027/, it's a few moves along those lines | 13:44 |
| fifieldt | annegentle, what needs to happen is | 13:44 |
| fifieldt | 1. update mapping tables based on milestone code | 13:44 |
| fifieldt | 2. run the tool over the code to generate new xml tables | 13:45 |
| fifieldt | 3. submit a gerrit patch with the new xml tables | 13:45 |
| fifieldt | steps 2/3 are the easy ones | 13:45 |
| fifieldt | 1 is not too hard, if the code to make it easy is in place | 13:45 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt: okay sounds good... wish I could run step 1 myself but oh well :) | 13:46 |
| fifieldt | apologies again | 13:46 |
| fifieldt | you can assign it to me/sld and we'll get it done, if you like :) | 13:46 |
| annegentle | lorin1: were you able to get it to work? | 13:46 |
| fifieldt | I will also try and get the code working on some other environments | 13:46 |
| lorin1 | I tried it with nova, and it generated the DocBook for me. | 13:46 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yes, please run the tables -- we need to start editing the descripitions as some are quite crap. :) | 13:46 |
| annegentle | lorin1: ok I'll try that. Maybe it's cinder. | 13:46 |
| fifieldt | indeed - recall all - option strings are now edited in code, rather than in docs :) | 13:47 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: right... my thinking exactly, we need tons of time to get those patches reviewed and in | 13:47 |
| annegentle | ok any questions on the config guide and autogen tables? | 13:47 |
| annegentle | slong_: the config guide might also be a good place to get started? | 13:48 |
| annegentle | slong_: if you study what fifieldt has been doing and it makes sense to do more patching, feel free to hop in | 13:48 |
| slong_ | Sure! | 13:48 |
| annegentle | slong_: ok cool | 13:48 |
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| koolhead17 | dianefleming: good work with the docs. :) | 13:48 |
| annegentle | #topic Documentation is now a Program, needs leader and mission statement | 13:48 |
| slong_ | Will have a chat with fifieldt | 13:48 |
| fifieldt | cheers slong_ | 13:48 |
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| dianefleming | thanks! | 13:48 |
| annegentle | so this is the good news out of last week's technical committee meeting | 13:49 |
| annegentle | Documentation is now a Program | 13:49 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: o/ | 13:49 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: yeah | 13:49 |
| fifieldt | congratulations :) | 13:49 |
| roadnick | yay! | 13:49 |
| sarob | :) | 13:49 |
| koolhead17 | so finally i will become official OS contributor | 13:49 |
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| annegentle | koolhead17: you were already but this move cements it | 13:49 |
| annegentle | We need a name, acting PTL, and a Mission Statement. | 13:50 |
| annegentle | Here's what Monty has for Infrastructure. | 13:50 |
| koolhead17 | sounds cool | 13:50 |
| annegentle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/011471.html | 13:50 |
| annegentle | it's simple, and to the point | 13:50 |
| lorin1 | annegentle: What are the implications of being a "Program"? Is there a page somewhere that describes this? | 13:50 |
| annegentle | lorin1: yes, it involes changes to the governance on the wiki, just a min. | 13:51 |
| sgordon | they updated https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/TechnicalCommittee | 13:51 |
| annegentle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Governance%2FFoundation%2FTechnicalCommittee&diff=25309&oldid=24429 | 13:51 |
| annegentle | yep, and that one shows the changes. | 13:51 |
| annegentle | lorin1: the essence is | 13:51 |
| annegentle | OpenStack "Programs" are efforts which are essential to the completion of the OpenStack project mission, which is ''to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable''. Programs can create any code repository and produce any deliverable they deem necessary to achieve thei | 13:51 |
| annegentle | r goals. | 13:51 |
| sgordon | the bigger difference is for some other projects | 13:52 |
| annegentle | sorry for the big paste | 13:52 |
| sgordon | which didnt get ATC status | 13:52 |
| sgordon | automatically | 13:52 |
| annegentle | sgordon: right | 13:52 |
| annegentle | and I like that we can create any repo we need to get the job done. Which we were doing already. but I like it spelled out | 13:52 |
| slong_ | Thx for that clarification | 13:52 |
| annegentle | it does mean that documentation is part of the integrated release | 13:53 |
| annegentle | so we need to state which deliverables are part of that integrated release quite firmly. | 13:53 |
| dianefleming | yes - | 13:53 |
| fifieldt | fun! | 13:53 |
| annegentle | and we'll need to redesign the docs.o.o page to reflect that integrated release | 13:53 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: cool | 13:53 |
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| annegentle | so it requires more focus I believe... not sure how that'll exactly happen though with book sprints and etc. | 13:54 |
| annegentle | my idea is that we'll have at least install docs for the integrated release | 13:54 |
| annegentle | other ideas for scope on integrated release docs? | 13:54 |
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| koolhead17 | annegentle: but install doc will still take time from the day new release comes | 13:54 |
| sarob | annegentle: milestone deliverables now? | 13:54 |
| sgordon | annegentle, i think ideally install and user at least | 13:55 |
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| annegentle | sarob: we don't do milesteon deliverables now | 13:55 |
| annegentle | sgordon: ah yes, user guides | 13:55 |
| sgordon | koolhead17, i disagree - it shouldnt really | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 13:55 |
| sgordon | we have access to the milestone builds of the code to work against | 13:55 |
| annegentle | koolhead17: I don't htink we have much choice in the matter | 13:55 |
| sgordon | for *manual* install instructions anyway | 13:55 |
| annegentle | sgordon: but not packages | 13:55 |
| sgordon | sure | 13:55 |
| annegentle | sgordon: right :) | 13:55 |
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| sgordon | but as per my email yesterday i dont think that should be the focus | 13:56 |
| annegentle | sgordon: we've not documented a manual install | 13:56 |
| * koolhead17 had his share in previous releases 2 achieve same | 13:56 | |
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| annegentle | I'm hoping shaunm can document a manual install | 13:56 |
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| annegentle | koolhead17: true true | 13:56 |
| * fifieldt feels that package managers have won the install debate long ago for many purposes | 13:56 | |
| sgordon | yeah | 13:56 |
| sgordon | what is the state of debian packaging | 13:56 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yep, too true | 13:56 |
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| sgordon | i know for RDO we are started to attempt havana nightlies *now* | 13:57 |
| sgordon | *starting | 13:57 |
| koolhead17 | sgordon::P | 13:57 |
| fifieldt | niice | 13:57 |
| annegentle | sgordon: nice | 13:57 |
| koolhead17 | for ubuntu can anyway get from testing repo | 13:57 |
| annegentle | next steps, I'll draft up a mission statement and send to the docs mailing list | 13:57 |
| sgordon | http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-trunk/ | 13:57 |
| annegentle | do we want me to be acting PTL for now? Guess I should ask that! | 13:57 |
| fifieldt | sounds good annegentle | 13:57 |
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| fifieldt | all hail annegentle | 13:58 |
| sgordon | +1 | 13:58 |
| sarob | +1 | 13:58 |
| Daisy | agree | 13:58 |
| annegentle | heh | 13:58 |
| lorin1 | +1 | 13:58 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: +1 | 13:58 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 13:58 |
| slong_ | +q | 13:58 |
| roadnick | +1 of course! | 13:58 |
| annegentle | aw you do like me :) | 13:58 |
| * roadnick though Anne was already the PTL | 13:58 | |
| dianefleming | annegentle: +1 | 13:58 |
| slong_ | :) +1 | 13:58 |
| annegentle | #action anne to draft a Mission Statement for Documentation and send to docs mailing list | 13:58 |
| annegentle | roadnick: heh | 13:58 |
| annegentle | roadnick: for all intents and purposes! | 13:58 |
| roadnick | :) | 13:59 |
| annegentle | ok any more questions on our new Program status? | 13:59 |
| annegentle | I do have to do a small happy dance on that, seems like a long time coming! | 13:59 |
| annegentle | Very excited about it. | 13:59 |
| * fifieldt also dances | 13:59 | |
| annegentle | #topic Bug report, DocImpact state | 13:59 |
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| annegentle | fifieldt has been doing awesome work keeping up | 14:00 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: and the bad times of manual bug movements are over! | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | it's much easier now :) | 14:00 |
| * koolhead17 2 | 14:00 | |
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| fifieldt | also, you would have noticed the spam reduction | 14:00 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: well you always made it look easy, sheesh | 14:00 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yes, real discussions, woo! | 14:00 |
| koolhead17 | fifieldt: :) | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/havana | 14:00 |
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| fifieldt | so if anyone feels like working on the ;confirmed bugs for havana, feel free | 14:01 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: I did move about half the blueprints off that page to reflect what I think is really going to happen | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | cheers | 14:01 |
| annegentle | slong_: that is another idea for you and other newcomers, pick up bugs | 14:01 |
| koolhead17 | yes please especially pre essex | 14:01 |
| koolhead17 | i would say | 14:01 |
| annegentle | slong_: I know some are intimidating but you definitely know how the life of a writer works I think :) | 14:01 |
| slong_ | Yeah, was talking to sgordon about that. | 14:02 |
| annegentle | so my thinking on onboarding would be something like this: | 14:02 |
| annegentle | 1. Go through Conventions and spell check a document. | 14:02 |
| annegentle | 2. Pick up low-hanging-fruit bugs | 14:02 |
| koolhead17 | ooh BTW B1 for havana has landed in ubuntu repo as well https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/CloudArchive#Havana | 14:02 |
| annegentle | 3. Pick up harder bugs | 14:02 |
| annegentle | 4. Start really writing on the restructure stuff. | 14:02 |
| annegentle | does that make sense? any other ideas? | 14:03 |
| annegentle | I feel it's too tough to ask newcomers to skip to 4. | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | I'd also suggest: keep in touch with others during the process | 14:03 |
| sgordon | i think from my pov my concern is investing effort in content that may be obliterated as a result of the restructure | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | we're here to help :) | 14:03 |
| sgordon | it is pretty clear at some point there is going to need to be some culling of content to make the whole thing manageable | 14:04 |
| annegentle | sgordon: absolutely a valid concern... but with merging and stuff, content doesn't just get obliterated... | 14:04 |
| koolhead17 | annegentle: also add get a core from every project involved with us | 14:04 |
| koolhead17 | :) | 14:04 |
| annegentle | sgordon: at least I don't think so | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | so far I've been 'splitting' content, rather than obliterating | 14:04 |
| annegentle | sarob: koolhead17 reminds me that the timing is probably right now that programs are established to ask for a doc rep | 14:04 |
| roadnick | sgordon: I think that until the bugs are all squashed, we can't really do much of the restructuring anyway | 14:04 |
| sgordon | roadnick, i dont think that is realistic | 14:04 |
| annegentle | roadnick: oh you don't mean that :) | 14:04 |
| sgordon | otherwise we will never restructure | 14:04 |
| sgordon | it's a vicious cycle to get stuck in | 14:05 |
| annegentle | sgordon: yeah I'm never deleting content so far | 14:05 |
| annegentle | sgordon: right agreed | 14:05 |
| sarob | annegentle:doc rep? | 14:05 |
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| roadnick | sgordon/annegentle: well, not completely! | 14:05 |
| annegentle | sarob: weren't you saying we need to make each project have a doc representative | 14:05 |
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| slong_ | I am so just listening at this point. | 14:05 |
| roadnick | I just mean that we need to make sure that the bugs DO get squashed for release. | 14:05 |
| annegentle | slong_: :) | 14:05 |
| annegentle | slong_: this is quite active for a doc team meeting | 14:05 |
| annegentle | oh crum and we've gone over time | 14:06 |
| slong_ | Exciting.. | 14:06 |
| annegentle | #topic open discussion | 14:06 |
| sarob | annegentle: the pdl idea, right | 14:06 |
| annegentle | at least want to open it up! | 14:06 |
| annegentle | I have 2 bits to share | 14:06 |
| annegentle | One is, this week there's going to be an annoucement about a travel support program for the Icehouse summit | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | annegentle, maybe i am misunderstanding roadnick's proposal for admin materials but it sounds like an implicit part of it is that not all content from existing admin guides would necessarily be in the restructured ones | 14:06 |
| * fifieldt is going to brush his teeth, hoping the water is back on, back in 2min | 14:06 | |
| annegentle | sgordon: ah right | 14:06 |
| sgordon | and i am onboard with that if it would result in a more manageable and *correct* guide | 14:06 |
| roadnick | true | 14:06 |
| sarob | annegentle: yes, I think we should have an formal doc position in each project | 14:06 |
| roadnick | but I think that maybe the first step... | 14:07 |
| annegentle | sgordon: So far I've seen a need to for example, delete install info from the Networking Admin Guide. | 14:07 |
| roadnick | is to go through and mark parts that may not make it into the restructure document. | 14:07 |
| annegentle | so yeah, there are examples where deletion is needed | 14:07 |
| sarob | annegentle: PDL is what we came up with | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | sarob: yeah Projet Doc Lead | 14:07 |
| roadnick | because if the restructure doesn't happen until post-havana, those parts still have to be right when Havana is released | 14:07 |
| * annegentle can't spell | 14:07 | |
| roadnick | but at least you know where to NOT sweat blood | 14:07 |
| annegentle | roadnick: I think realistically, some guides won't be updated for havanah | 14:07 |
| roadnick | right | 14:08 |
| annegentle | roadnick: but we need to ensure they're not marked as havana either :) | 14:08 |
| annegentle | roadnick: that's the tricky bit, making a "release" doc site | 14:08 |
| annegentle | something we havent' done before | 14:08 |
| annegentle | we just released everything | 14:08 |
| roadnick | How about this: | 14:08 |
| roadnick | How about if we concentrate on an outline that shows what pieces WILL get carried over, so that we know that we need to focus there. But... | 14:09 |
| * fifieldt back | 14:09 | |
| roadnick | we won't worry about writing the rest until everything else is done. | 14:09 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: water out? Eek. | 14:09 |
| koolhead17 | roadnick: i read modular somewhere | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | yeah, they're trying to fix the exploding pipes | 14:09 |
| roadnick | this way the "fluff" will be a known quantity, addressing sgordon's concerns. | 14:09 |
| annegentle | #action anne to float the Project Doc Lead idea to mailing list | 14:09 |
| koolhead17 | that will take care of it i guess or was it for the BOOKS | 14:09 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yikes | 14:09 |
| annegentle | roadnick: so dianefleming's outline isn't wha tyou're thinking of, and you have another? | 14:10 |
| Daisy | Hi, I'd like to discuss the publish of operation guide in Japnese and Chinese to the doc website. | 14:10 |
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| roadnick | koolhead17: Yes. that's correct. the overall book will be made from modular pieces of other books. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Daisy: yes, go ahead | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | annegentle, my life: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/70256.High_Rise | 14:10 |
| roadnick | Dianefleming has the admin user guide, which I think we should keep in addition to this. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | roadnick: let's take the other discussion about admin guides to #openstack-docs so we can finish out the meeting | 14:10 |
| roadnick | Maybe this is more of an Admin Reference Guide., | 14:10 |
| annegentle | roadnick: ooo | 14:10 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:10 |
| sgordon | at this stage i like diane's plan | 14:11 |
| roadnick | annegentle: agreed. | 14:11 |
| sgordon | but perhaps that is because i can see it clearly | 14:11 |
| dianefleming | roadnick - what is more of an admin reference guide? | 14:11 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:11 |
| Daisy | So the translation of Japanese are completed finished in Transifex. The Chinese in Transifex is not, but I'm sure the translation are finished but not in po format. | 14:11 |
| annegentle | Daisy: sorry to make you wait so long | 14:11 |
| Daisy | we are a big team and with a big mission. | 14:11 |
| Daisy | it's all right. | 14:11 |
| annegentle | Daisy: wow that's fantastic | 14:11 |
| roadnick | dianefleming: the "comprehensive" Administration Guide | 14:11 |
| roadnick | Daisy: great! | 14:11 |
| dianefleming | ok! | 14:11 |
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| Daisy | so I want to try to publish operation guide in Japanese as the first case. | 14:11 |
| annegentle | Daisy: so you need a way to publish | 14:12 |
| Daisy | as the first test case. | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | Daisy, what do we need to do to get the Japanese guide on docs.openstack.org ? | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Daisy: the docs landing page needs even more work | 14:12 |
| Daisy | yes. I need to understand the structure of the website, and where to put the Japnese version. | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | do you want me to help run through the various components | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | such as the maven build system? | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Daisy: a couple of thoughts... the index.html lives in openstack-manuals in the www directory | 14:12 |
| Daisy | I think we can brainstorming. | 14:12 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: we have a drop down now for each release | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: when you click More Releases... you can see the drop down | 14:13 |
| Daisy | I know the drop down. | 14:13 |
| annegentle | Daisy: but is that too hidden? | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | is auto-detect yucky? as in, know what language their browser is and present a different landing page? | 14:14 |
| Daisy | it's ok. I can see the drop down. | 14:14 |
| annegentle | we could add a row for language choices at the top? | 14:14 |
| Daisy | so maybe we want such a link: http://docs.openstack.org/jp/ ？ | 14:14 |
| Daisy | or http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/jp? | 14:14 |
| annegentle | honestly I might want to get Todd Morey or a designer at the Foundation involved to redesign the landing page? | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | (just on auto-detect: I know some people take issue with it, annegentle, but I'm not sure what the general consensus 'round the net is) | 14:15 |
| annegentle | Daisy: maybe... that would work too, and just maintain them by hand in www/jp/ www/zh? | 14:15 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: yeah I hear mixed feedback on auto-detect | 14:15 |
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| Daisy | we can add the drop down when the link is ready. | 14:15 |
| annegentle | How about this -- fifieldt can you ask Mark/Todd/others if we can get a designer to help with the landing page for 1. translation 2. releases | 14:16 |
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| annegentle | then in the meantime we do something like what Daisy suggests, with docs.openstack.org/jp | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | Sure, I'll do that | 14:16 |
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| fifieldt | maybe even some of the horizon UX folks might be interested? | 14:16 |
| Daisy | annegentle: do you want index page in different languages too? | 14:16 |
| annegentle | #action fifieldt to see design resources for the docs.openstack.org landing page for 1. translation 2. releases | 14:17 |
| annegentle | Daisy: if possible, yes! | 14:17 |
| Daisy | annegentle: I mean, for example, if users open http://docs.openstack.org/jp, he will see all jp characters and he will see the availabe jp documents. | 14:17 |
| annegentle | Daisy: yes, that's what I'm thinking... | 14:17 |
| annegentle | Daisy: and a link to transifex too possibly | 14:17 |
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| annegentle | Ok good thing no one needs this meeting room... | 14:17 |
| annegentle | I'm going to end the logging | 14:17 |
| annegentle | thanks everyone! | 14:17 |
| annegentle | #endmeeting | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | I might have to head off all - got another meeting in 7.25 hours and need to get some sleep before then :) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 9 14:18:00 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-07-09-13.01.html | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-07-09-13.01.txt | 14:18 |
| sarob | :) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-07-09-13.01.log.html | 14:18 |
| annegentle | fifieldt: for sure! | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | just assign all the action items to me | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | I'll read the log :) | 14:18 |
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| slong_ | Thx! | 14:18 |
| annegentle | Daisy: do you like the all JP landing apge idea? | 14:18 |
| annegentle | Daisy: seems doable | 14:18 |
| Daisy | annegentle: so I need to understand how to create the index page in http://docs.openstack.org/jp and how to publish http://docs.openstack.org/jp. | 14:18 |
| annegentle | Daisy: ok, so you would submit a patch to openstack-manuals | 14:19 |
| annegentle | Daisy: updating https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/www | 14:19 |
| annegentle | put a jp folder in there with an index.html in it in Japanese | 14:19 |
| Daisy | is http://docs.openstack.org/folsom/ a folder in www? | 14:19 |
| annegentle | Daisy: then I think the build job already gets every folder under www | 14:19 |
| annegentle | Daisy: yes | 14:19 |
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| annegentle | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/www/folsom | 14:20 |
| annegentle | Daisy: but only the index.html lives there | 14:20 |
| Daisy | right. | 14:20 |
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| Daisy | annegentle: I know how to add index page now. | 14:20 |
| Daisy | annegentle: can you tell me how to publish documents? | 14:20 |
| annegentle | Daisy: so the build job copies all files from www I believe... let me find it | 14:21 |
| Daisy | annegentle: I think the same. | 14:21 |
| annegentle | Daisy: line 332 of https://github.com/openstack-infra/config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/files/jenkins_job_builder/config/manuals.yaml | 14:21 |
| annegentle | Daisy: so you don't have to change the build job even | 14:21 |
| annegentle | Daisy: it'll just pick them up | 14:22 |
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| Daisy | annegentle: ok. I will take a look at the links. | 14:22 |
| annegentle | Looking forward to the patch! | 14:22 |
| Daisy | Thanks, annegentle . | 14:22 |
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| annegentle | Daisy: thank you! | 14:22 |
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| Daisy | annegentle: congratulations for the new program of documentation ! | 14:22 |
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| roadnick | thanks, all! | 14:23 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 9 15:00:19 2013 UTC. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | show of hands, anyone want to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
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| jgallard | \o | 15:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 15:01 |
| n0ano | #topic code re-factoring | 15:02 |
| n0ano | I | 15:02 |
| n0ano | I've seen some emails on this subject but I'm not up on it, does anyone know what the real issue here is? | 15:03 |
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| alaski | Maybe there's more than one effort, but I know about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/query-scheduler | 15:04 |
| jgallard | this is related to move some common part of scheduler for nova and cinder code into oslo? | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | Aah, common code between nova & cinder, that makes more sense (I had problems with duplicated code inside the scheduler itself) | 15:05 |
| n0ano | given that there is some filtering/weighting going on in Cinder this sounds like a good idea, I guess it's just down to the implementation details | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | given I don't see any architectural issues here I say we just review the code changes as they come by | 15:07 |
| jgallard | from my understanding yes: it's mainly related to implementation issue | 15:07 |
| llu-laptop | what are the common things in detail between cinder&nova scheduler? filter/weight framework? | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | llu-laptop, yes, I believe that's where the overlap occurs | 15:08 |
| jgallard | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/oslo-scheduler | 15:08 |
| jgallard | this is the BP related to what we are discussing | 15:09 |
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| n0ano | looks like mainly specific classes that have some overlap, not a complete framework issue. | 15:10 |
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| belmoreira | sorry, late for the meeting. | 15:11 |
| n0ano | given the specificity (I think that's a word) of the classes I wonder how much overlap there exists in the rest of nova/cinder/swift/glance | 15:11 |
| n0ano | probably an issue for someone who gets motivated to do a complete review of the system. | 15:12 |
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| n0ano | anyway, I think this problem is well in hand, let's move on | 15:13 |
| n0ano | #topic volume affinity filter | 15:13 |
| n0ano | jgallard, I think you've been involved in the thread, can you expand on this? | 15:13 |
| jgallard | yes of course | 15:14 |
| jgallard | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29343/ | 15:14 |
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| n0ano | seems to me the biggest issue is are they talking about a filter or a weigh (I've seen that confusion in other contexts) | 15:14 |
| jgallard | the goal of the patch is to allow (thanks to a hint) to place an instance on the same host of a volume | 15:15 |
| jgallard | and yes | 15:15 |
| jgallard | as you just said, the main issue is about filter and/or weigh function | 15:15 |
| jgallard | currently the patch implements a filter | 15:15 |
| n0ano | that seems rather restrictive, what's the view on changing to a weight? | 15:16 |
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| jgallard | yes the filter is restricitve | 15:16 |
| jgallard | but it would have some interesting use cases | 15:17 |
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| jgallard | regarding the weigh | 15:17 |
| jgallard | I didn't look at the code, however | 15:17 |
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| jgallard | the use of a weigh function is more complicated, because, the scheduler has to find himself from wich volume the instance has to be placed | 15:17 |
| jgallard | (no possibility to use an hint) | 15:18 |
| n0ano | I don't see the use cases for the filter, that wouldn't be a hint either (it would be a requirement) | 15:18 |
| jgallard | but it seems that from a technical point of view the dic containing the host of the volume is not directly accessible from the scheduler | 15:18 |
| jgallard | for the filter, maybe you can imagine a case where, the placement for high performance is mandatory | 15:19 |
| jgallard | if you don't want besteffort | 15:19 |
| jgallard | why not | 15:19 |
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| jgallard | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/011329.html | 15:20 |
| jgallard | for those who are interesting to participate on the discussion | 15:20 |
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| n0ano | hmm, a point, I wonder if that means we need both a filter and a weight or would that be overkill | 15:21 |
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| jgallard | if both of them are providing, I think the administrator will have more flexibility to configure its cloud | 15:22 |
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| jgallard | the admin can use the filter (very restrictive case) or the weigh function (no restriction, best-effort mode) | 15:23 |
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| n0ano | yeah but would it be overly complex and provide a framework that isn't actually used in practice | 15:23 |
| jgallard | the main issue with the filter is that it "break" the cloud philosophy : the placement is not hidden to the user | 15:23 |
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| jgallard | n0ano, sorry, you are talking about the filter or the weigh ? | 15:24 |
| n0ano | jgallard, I'm talking about providing both | 15:24 |
| jgallard | ah ok | 15:24 |
| n0ano | it would be simpler to provide just a weight and, if that satisfies 99% of the actual uses, that would be sufficient | 15:25 |
| PhilDay | Not sure I agree about breaking cloud philosophy - we already have affinity filters | 15:25 |
| n0ano | PhilDay, +1 (you typed faster than me :-) | 15:25 |
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| jgallard | the issue is that, in cloud philosophy, you ask for a resource and you have it "in all cases" | 15:26 |
| jgallard | but with this kind of filter, you may not have any resources at all | 15:26 |
| PhilDay | The general case though should be to be able to express some form or proximity - there are configurtaions where volume is never on the same host, but it could be closer on the network | 15:26 |
| jgallard | but again, I think this is more related to the use case the admin wants to do | 15:26 |
| jgallard | PhilDay, +1 | 15:27 |
| jgallard | but this is not possible to achieve with the filter | 15:27 |
| jgallard | it's more related to the weigh function | 15:27 |
| n0ano | hence my preference would be to provide a weight | 15:27 |
| PhilDay | Nothing stopping someone having a purely private filter or weighteing function that they configure in - but to be accepted into the core set it should be a bit more general | 15:28 |
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| jgallard | ok, so may be we can intervene on the mailing list? | 15:30 |
| n0ano | I think a volume weight would be general enough to be part of the core, while the volume filter might be more appropriate as a private function. | 15:30 |
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| jgallard | n0ano, PhilDay, yes probably | 15:31 |
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| n0ano | jgallard, responding to the email thread is a good idea, nothing wrong with getting opinions out there | 15:32 |
| jgallard | yes of course | 15:32 |
| n0ano | OK, moving on | 15:33 |
| n0ano | #topic follow ups on the scheduler BPs | 15:33 |
| n0ano | Anything on the outstanding BPs anyone wants to raise? | 15:33 |
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| n0ano | Hearing silence | 15:34 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:35 |
| n0ano | Any opens for today? | 15:35 |
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| PhilDay | Scheduler hints APi is looking for reviewers: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34291/ | 15:35 |
| belmoreira | I started the implementation of multiple default av_zones | 15:35 |
| n0ano | belmoreira, cool, any major difficulties yet? | 15:36 |
| belmoreira | as discussed some weeks ago. Hope to have the first implementation soon. | 15:36 |
| PhilDay | Hoping to get started on the whole host allocation real soon now ;-) | 15:36 |
| jgallard | PhilDay, great! | 15:36 |
| belmoreira | n0ano: not yet. | 15:36 |
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| n0ano | OK, sounds like we've got some coding to accomplish - yea! | 15:37 |
| n0ano | Tnx everyone, I think we've run down so I'll close the meeting for today | 15:39 |
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| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
| jgallard | ok thanks to all! | 15:39 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 9 15:39:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-09-15.00.html | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-09-15.00.txt | 15:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-07-09-15.00.log.html | 15:39 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 9 16:00:30 2013 UTC. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| luis_fdez | hi | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | it's been a while | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | hey luis | 16:00 |
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| primeministerp | let's wait for the others | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | I don't see alex here yet | 16:01 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: so let's start w/ the puppet modules while waiting | 16:02 |
| luis_fdez | ok | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | #topic hyper-v puppet modules | 16:02 |
| schwicht | primeministerp: hi everyone | 16:02 |
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| luis_fdez | have you looked at the last pull requrest? | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | i renamed the module and merged your pull requests last night | 16:02 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: I haven't looked since last night | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: you had 2 | 16:02 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i merged them both | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | the changes to the vswitch and the rename | 16:03 |
| luis_fdez | yes | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | for module conformance | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | I also renamed the project | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | to match | 16:03 |
| luis_fdez | perfect | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: so go ahead and add your other changes | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: Hi frank | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: hi tavi | 16:04 |
| luis_fdez | ok, one of the pull request is just a refactoring creating a new hyper-v.pp class | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | hi guys | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: perfect | 16:04 |
| luis_fdez | to extract the installation of Hyper-V and configuration .... it can be the future init.pp of the hyper-v module | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: i was thinking we need to move some into general windows | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | class as well | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | sorry me and Tavi were in a meeting | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: no problem | 16:04 |
| luis_fdez | the other one is a proofofconcetp? hehe of how the nova_config type looks as in nova puppetlabs... but it adds one dependency | 16:04 |
| zehicle | Hello! | 16:04 |
| ociuhandu | hi all | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: I need to add a puppetfile for dependencies | 16:05 |
| luis_fdez | ((last time we talked about it I was wrong saying that it wont add new dependency)) | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: I don't mind adding dependencies | 16:05 |
| luis_fdez | also.. I extracted windows_feature as a separate define | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | then we can reuse | 16:05 |
| luis_fdez | to make the code cleaner and also follow the style rules | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: that works too, because if using hyper-v server the role is already there | 16:06 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: perfect | 16:06 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: is there anything else we need to discuss? | 16:06 |
| luis_fdez | now... I'm looking to the download question and.... opened to new proposals... can i give you a hand on something related with python? | 16:07 |
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| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: any BP you'd like to work on? :-) | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: it needs to be there | 16:08 |
| luis_fdez | I'll take a look... now... im a puppet man... i have to revisit my compute driver profile :) | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | at least for the start | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | or | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | we have it as a seed | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | also | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | once we move to all source | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | we won't necessarily need it | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | bc we can move to a git pull | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | for all that | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | however | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | if we're going to use the public bins | 16:08 |
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| primeministerp | we need to have a way to pull them | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | that's my 2c | 16:10 |
| luis_fdez | yeps, I think for the start the public bins is the best option | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:10 |
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| primeministerp | let's move on topic wise | 16:10 |
| luis_fdez | do you have changes to be committed or can I changes thinks on the python part? | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: ready | 16:10 |
| luis_fdez | pasdfadf | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: no I've been working on the provisioning side | 16:11 |
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| primeministerp | had some stuff to clean up | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | sure | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: where do we want to start? | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | wmiv2? | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | #topic wmiv2 | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | so 2012R2 Preview is publicly avlaible | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | haha | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | why yes it is | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | and the V1 namespace is gone :-) | 16:12 |
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| primeministerp | why yes it is | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 16:12 |
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| alexpilotti | so it's time to do some testing of Havana on 2012R2 | 16:12 |
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| alexpilotti | to get there, the first BP that we are releasing this week is teh WMIV2 one | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | is the wmiv2 code upstream | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | perfect | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: ? | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | ok | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | you answered my question | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | thanks to the Grizzly refactoring it was a fairly contained work | 16:13 |
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| alexpilotti | a factory is instantiating the relevant utils classes based on the OS: < 2012: V1, >= 2012 V2 | 16:14 |
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| alexpilotti | a separate pachset will be released for the Neutron agent | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | awesome | 16:14 |
| schwicht | nice work | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | in the same timeframe? | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | one that's in place, we'll need also to update the installer | 16:14 |
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| alexpilotti | I'd love to get both (Nova, Quantum) in for H2 | 16:15 |
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| primeministerp | ok | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | that would be great | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | we'll need a lot of help in testing | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: ..... | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: will your folks be able to take a look | 16:16 |
| schwicht | primeministerp: we'll need to chat off line | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: np | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | one of the reasons I want to have those bits out early is that they replace the layer that interacts with the OS | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | which cannot be tested with unit testing, only system / integration testing | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: i'll be able to try them tomorrow | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | and sicne we need a CI for that, the only alternative is having some hands doing it ;-) | 16:17 |
| schwicht | is the testing the WMIv2 testing? | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: yes I know | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: yes | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: basically doing a lot of regression testing | 16:17 |
| schwicht | we will have both funtional (IBM speak IVT) and SVT testing for the base stuff | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: great tx! | 16:18 |
| schwicht | however we are investigating the scope of the testing atm | 16:18 |
| primeministerp | gotcha | 16:18 |
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| primeministerp | so next topic? | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | Dynamic memory | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | sure | 16:19 |
| primeministerp | #topic dynamic memory | 16:19 |
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| alexpilotti | We have this patch ready as well, I'm reviewing it internally, but is basically ready for public review | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: i'm assuming you've completed it as well? | 16:20 |
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| alexpilotti | we have 2 new options: | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | one to enable / disable the feature | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | and one for the overcomit ratio | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | for teh second one, we just reused the option coming from teh scheduler filter | 16:21 |
| schwicht | is the ratio part of the flavor ? | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | no, it's a configuration in the nova scheduler | 16:22 |
| schwicht | oh | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | default's to 1.5 | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | so if the host that 100GB memory | 16:22 |
| schwicht | understood | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | it overcommits to 150GB | 16:22 |
| schwicht | I was hoping we can do that for each instance | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | on HyperV this was not possible before | 16:22 |
| schwicht | and that I thought we would drive with a flavor attribute | 16:22 |
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| alexpilotti | as w/o dynamic memory there's no balooning and the mem is allocated 1:1 | 16:23 |
| schwicht | QoS (and overcommit are instance attributes) | 16:23 |
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| schwicht | alexpilotti: understood | 16:23 |
| schwicht | we do that on other hypervisors ... | 16:23 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: anything else on the topic? | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | the reason for reusing the same option is that they have anyway to match | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | not really | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | only one question | 16:24 |
| schwicht | same page sharing is not a feature supported, right? | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | should we default to true or false on enabling this feature? | 16:24 |
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| alexpilotti | schwicht: not on Hyper-V | 16:25 |
| schwicht | k | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: it's not efficient with SLAT | 16:25 |
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| alexpilotti | schwicht: unlike e.g. ESXi | 16:25 |
| schwicht | yep | 16:25 |
| schwicht | I was thinking at KSM .. | 16:25 |
| schwicht | but that is ok | 16:25 |
| schwicht | openstack can not offer more than the base hypervisor | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | can you guys please vote on the above question? :-) | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | > should we default to true or false on enabling this feature? | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | I would say false | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: ? | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro is not joining us today? | 16:27 |
| schwicht | VMware uses false ... | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: cool, consistency is important | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | I vote for false as well | 16:27 |
| alexpilotti | It's a risky feature | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | agreed | 16:28 |
| schwicht | what happens on overcommit isues? | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | I prefer the deoployer to know what he / she is doing | 16:28 |
| schwicht | halt the VM ? | 16:28 |
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| alexpilotti | schwicht: yes | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: which usually means that a lot of VMs get stopped | 16:28 |
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| schwicht | oh ok | 16:28 |
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| alexpilotti | there's also a "safety buffer" option | 16:28 |
| schwicht | I thought the iggest gets supsended | 16:28 |
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| schwicht | biggest | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | the one requesting for the memory gets suspended | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | the safety buffer makes sure that an extra memory percentage is available (e.g. 20%) | 16:29 |
| alexpilotti | so a new VM cannot be started if there's less than the expected memory | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | ok, that's it on the topic on my side | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:31 |
| primeministerp | anything on the RDP side of things? | 16:31 |
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| alexpilotti | not yet, we put the WMIV2 into priority | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | I'll probably send in a patch for RDP as well for H2 | 16:31 |
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| primeministerp | ok | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | knowing that the review will take some time | 16:32 |
| alexpilotti | I'd like to discuss if we should support or not the serial console | 16:32 |
| primeministerp | o yes | 16:33 |
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| primeministerp | #topic serial console | 16:33 |
| schwicht | alexpilotti: I like the serial console a lot | 16:34 |
| alexpilotti | OpenStack at the moment has only the option of getting the output | 16:34 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: you want to describe | 16:34 |
| schwicht | r/o ? | 16:34 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: yep | 16:34 |
| alexpilotti | we us it r/w a lot for troubleshooting | 16:34 |
| schwicht | yep | 16:34 |
| alexpilotti | both on Linux and on Windows | 16:34 |
| alexpilotti | on Windows we created a service that provides a command prompt | 16:34 |
| schwicht | logging boot issues is cool, messing with network etc | 16:34 |
| schwicht | primeministerp: the OVS issue we usually debug with a serial console | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: yep | 16:35 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: ;) | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | on Windows we use it to set the user name, reboot, setting network details | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | diskpart for resizing the partitions, etc | 16:36 |
| alexpilotti | enabling RDP if it was not enabled | 16:36 |
| schwicht | so as long openstack does not support r/w it is merly a debugging, logging tool | 16:36 |
| schwicht | and for that not as important for my use cases | 16:37 |
| alexpilotti | It'd be great to have in in OpenStack with an HTML5 websocked based VT100 emulator :-) | 16:37 |
| schwicht | since I can attach a console on the hyperV host | 16:37 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: yes, we a simple powershell script that attaches it and starts putty | 16:37 |
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| alexpilotti | schwicht: but the logging part is already cool to detect issues with cloud-init, to detect why e.g. the instance does not get SSH connections | 16:38 |
| schwicht | yes it is | 16:38 |
| schwicht | (we SOL enable all physical hosts for the same reason) | 16:38 |
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| alexpilotti | ok, I wanted to introduce the topic, I have a working proto, just need to file up a BP and polish up the patch | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | nice | 16:39 |
| primeministerp | well good work | 16:39 |
| alexpilotti | cool, tx | 16:40 |
| alexpilotti | I'm running a bit late, we organized the second Python event in Timisoara | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | let's finish up | 16:41 |
| primeministerp | is there anything else we're missing? | 16:41 |
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| alexpilotti | We have issues with OVS on RDO | 16:42 |
| alexpilotti | but let's discuss about this next time once we have a solution :-) | 16:42 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: this is what we were discussing earlier | 16:42 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: can you discribe it | 16:42 |
| alexpilotti | very simple: | 16:42 |
| schwicht | alexpilotti: do you have a pointer with more details? | 16:42 |
| alexpilotti | not yet, it came out this sunday | 16:42 |
| alexpilotti | in brief: | 16:43 |
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| alexpilotti | multinode setup: | 16:43 |
| alexpilotti | controller, network, kvm compute and hyperv compute | 16:43 |
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| alexpilotti | based on CentOS 6.4 | 16:43 |
| alexpilotti | everything works except networking | 16:44 |
| schwicht | 802.1Q ? | 16:44 |
| alexpilotti | anything, VLAN or flat | 16:44 |
| schwicht | what physical ethernet adapter? what switch? | 16:44 |
| alexpilotti | looks like either the datapaths or the flows are not working | 16:45 |
| alexpilotti | OVS | 16:45 |
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| alexpilotti | no phisycal switches | 16:45 |
| schwicht | the physical switch between the KVM and and the hyperV node | 16:45 |
| alexpilotti | cloud be virtual switches on ESXi / Fusion / workstation (testing) | 16:45 |
| schwicht | ah ok | 16:46 |
| alexpilotti | or any L2 switch when testing a flat network config | 16:46 |
| schwicht | stacked ... | 16:46 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 16:46 |
| schwicht | do you use portgroup 4095 on ESXi ? | 16:46 |
| alexpilotti | at the beginning I was thinking about an issue due to the stacking | 16:46 |
| alexpilotti | nope | 16:47 |
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| alexpilotti | as I was saying the issue can be reproduced even with flat networking | 16:47 |
| schwicht | we probably should move that off the meeting discussion | 16:47 |
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| alexpilotti | I can tcpdump the traffic | 16:47 |
| alexpilotti | at the ethx level | 16:47 |
| alexpilotti | it's simply not getting forwarded to the proper bridge / tap device | 16:48 |
| alexpilotti | (in OpenVSwitch) | 16:48 |
| alexpilotti | I'm gonna get in touch today with the RDO guys and see | 16:48 |
| alexpilotti | oki guys, I really have to run unfortunately | 16:49 |
| schwicht | are your br-eth and br-int bridges up? | 16:49 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:49 |
| alexpilotti | Ah, one more thing | 16:49 |
| alexpilotti | schwicht: yep | 16:49 |
| alexpilotti | This week we start committing the Crowbar upport for Hyper-V :-) | 16:49 |
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| primeministerp | awesome! | 16:50 |
| primeministerp | so | 16:50 |
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| primeministerp | anyone have anything else | 16:51 |
| primeministerp | to add? | 16:51 |
| primeministerp | if not, I'm going to end it. | 16:52 |
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| primeministerp | thanks alexpilotti for the updates | 16:52 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 9 16:52:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| alexpilotti | thanks guys! | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-07-09-16.00.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-07-09-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-07-09-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
| alexpilotti | bye! | 16:52 |
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| hk_peter | hi all, pandora is open for test http://peter.kingofcoders.com/?p=677 , we need more team member, if you like it, join the team. | 17:05 |
| garyk | dabo ping | 17:06 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 17:58 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:58 |
| fabio | hi | 17:58 |
| dolphm | ayoung: gyee: o/ | 17:58 |
| dolphm | no henrynash? | 17:58 |
| spzala | Hi | 17:58 |
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| dolphm | topol: o/ | 17:58 |
| dolphm | termie: o/ (in case you're around) | 17:59 |
| gyee | \o | 17:59 |
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| topol | dolphm: Hi | 17:59 |
| dolphm | #start-meeting keystone | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | #topic Havana milestone 2 | 17:59 |
| dolphm | is a next week | 17:59 |
| henrynash | hi | 17:59 |
| dolphm | so i want to spend most of the meeting checking on status of >low blueprints | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | so, in order of priority... | 18:00 |
| dolphm | #topic Allow project roles to be inherited from owning domain | 18:00 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/inherited-domain-roles | 18:00 |
| henrynash | so nearly ready | 18:00 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35986/ | 18:00 |
| henrynash | WIP is up already | 18:01 |
| henrynash | 2 days to go | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | need to rebase on set of dependant changes and then will publish for full review | 18:01 |
| dolphm | it's also dependent on another review, but i think that's ready to go | 18:01 |
| henrynash | yes | 18:01 |
| henrynash | I need to rebase that on Adam's split change which is gating rig now | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | (if anyone wants to review in the mean time- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35897/ ) | 18:02 |
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| topol | dolphm, will do | 18:02 |
| dolphm | henrynash: rebase which patch? | 18:02 |
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| henrynash | I need to rebase this one: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35897/ | 18:02 |
| gyee | we need a bp to rationalize authentication, making the v2 to use v3 in the backend | 18:03 |
| henrynash | which is also a bp went want in for H2…it is complete, just needs a rebase | 18:03 |
| dolphm | is jamie lennox on? i can't remember your alias | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: damn, alright | 18:03 |
| dolphm | henrynash: hopefully that won't be a complicated one | 18:03 |
| fabio | catalog opt-out should be ready to go | 18:03 |
| fabio | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34478/ | 18:03 |
| dolphm | fabio: i'll get there | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #topic Make Eventlet Optional | 18:04 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: I'll get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35897/ done today | 18:04 |
| dolphm | err, i guess this depends on jamie / ayoung being on | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/extract-eventlet | 18:04 |
| dolphm | but this bp looks completed to me, although i know one change had to be backed out | 18:04 |
| dolphm | it looks like most of the work is done and merged | 18:04 |
| dolphm | so, perhaps just follow up with a bug? | 18:05 |
| dolphm | moving on ... maybe they'll be on later, but i'll mark as implemented if i don't hear back | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #topic Allow clients to opt-out of service catalog inclusion | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/catalog-optional | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34478/ | 18:06 |
| dolphm | this is still in review at the identity-api, but an impl is WIP | 18:06 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34478/ | 18:06 |
| topol | will review 34478 today | 18:06 |
| dolphm | err, that's the same review | 18:07 |
| henrynash | so I guess we need to agree the identity pay change today | 18:07 |
| dolphm | fabio: is there an impl available? | 18:07 |
| dolphm | fabio: i thought i saw something in review, but don't have a link | 18:07 |
| fabio | yes | 18:07 |
| dolphm | fabio: can you link us? | 18:07 |
| dolphm | henrynash: +1 | 18:07 |
| fabio | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33188/ | 18:07 |
| fabio | I stopped updating it pending design decisions | 18:07 |
| ayoung | I'm here | 18:07 |
| ayoung | was just doing code reviews.... | 18:08 |
| dolphm | i'd *love* to take this opportunity to create a new catalog response given people's unhappiness with our current format, but i'd like to save that discussion for after the meeting in -dev | 18:08 |
| dolphm | if anyone is interested :) | 18:08 |
| dolphm | ayoung: awesome | 18:08 |
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| gyee | dolphm, but that two different issues right? | 18:08 |
| topol | whats the design decision fabio is waiting on? | 18:08 |
| dolphm | ayoung: see above about extract-eventlet | 18:08 |
| gyee | one for opt-out, the other for different format? | 18:08 |
| bknudson | don't we want the catalog from /catalog to be the same as a catalog in the token | 18:08 |
| dolphm | gyee: yes, technically... | 18:09 |
| gyee | bknudson, yes | 18:09 |
| dolphm | bknudson: *i* don't want it to be the same | 18:09 |
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| ayoung | I think extract eventlet is completed. Let me confirm | 18:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: thanks | 18:09 |
| ayoung | which one had to be backed out? | 18:09 |
| dolphm | gyee: if you cut the entire catalog response example from the identity-api proposal, then the rest of the review is good to go :P | 18:09 |
| fabio | topol: catalog format and opt flag in the payload | 18:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: there was a bug filed against some import in some module being used by swift or something? | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: there was a small revert to one patch | 18:10 |
| gyee | dolphm, sounds good, we can settle on the format later | 18:10 |
| ayoung | dolphm, OK. I'll hunt that down. Expect this to be a moving target, as people seem to love their eventlet code. | 18:10 |
| dolphm | gyee: has to be designed and implemented this week though | 18:11 |
| gyee | k | 18:11 |
| dolphm | #topic Rationalize how user roles are obtained at authentication time | 18:11 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/authenticate-role-rationalization | 18:11 |
| dolphm | this is the one that needs a rebase | 18:11 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35897/ | 18:11 |
| dolphm | otherwise, looks like it'll land really soon | 18:11 |
| dolphm | #topic Delegated Auth a la Oauth | 18:12 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/delegated-auth-via-oauth | 18:12 |
| dolphm | is steve on? | 18:12 |
| ayoung | dolphm, Oauth should be an extension, and it is no close to being ready | 18:12 |
| topol | so steve martinelli has 3 inches of rain in his living room (toronto floods) | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i thought it was an extension, but yes | 18:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i haven't looked at the impl :( | 18:12 |
| ayoung | It could conceivably go in async | 18:12 |
| dolphm | topol: oh that's right | 18:12 |
| topol | so he's not here today | 18:12 |
| ayoung | IE...after H2 | 18:13 |
| gyee | dolphm, is extension allowed after H2? | 18:13 |
| topol | Oauth is an extension correct? | 18:13 |
| gyee | I wasn't clear on that | 18:13 |
| dolphm | i'll go ahead and bump to h3 then | 18:13 |
| ayoung | I thought it was only API changes were frozen after H2, right? | 18:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i haven't checked the code review, but is that the basis for your -2's, or was there anything else? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | dolphm, the big thing was all of the token revocation rules | 18:13 |
| ayoung | it took us a long time to get those right for trusts, and the same logic applied here | 18:14 |
| dolphm | gyee: i mentioned this on list while i was afk last week... but i'll touch on that at the end of the meeting w/ link | 18:14 |
| henrynash | dolphm: we also need a formal identity api extension spec - steve is writing this | 18:14 |
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| topol | henrynash +1 | 18:14 |
| dolphm | henrynash: is there anything to do beyond say the oauth 1.1a spec is available at /OS-OAUTH11a/ or whatever? | 18:15 |
| henrynash | dolphm:….and that's where all the clarifications on how what type of token revocation is supports should be specified and debated | 18:15 |
| dolphm | henrynash: ah, that's true | 18:15 |
| topol | I think the API spec will help folks understand what been done | 18:15 |
| topol | semantics etc | 18:15 |
| henrynash | dolplm: | 18:15 |
| dolphm | sounds good, definitely m3 then | 18:15 |
| henrynash | agreed | 18:15 |
| gyee | m3 = h3? | 18:16 |
| ayoung | I am far more concerned with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/authentication-tied-to-token | 18:16 |
| gyee | ayoung, that needs to be in its own pluggable provider | 18:16 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36166/ needs more review | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | gyee: havana milestone 3 | 18:17 |
| ayoung | gyee, needs an API review, too. | 18:17 |
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| gyee | ayoung, sure, will take a look | 18:17 |
| dolphm | #link Bind the Tokens to a secure authentication mechanism | 18:17 |
| ayoung | dolphm, is there any reason that pluggable can't go in after H2 if it is completely config/wsie backwards compatable? | 18:17 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/authentication-tied-to-token | 18:17 |
| ayoung | I'd rather take the time to get that right | 18:18 |
| ayoung | then to rush it in, or have to punt on it | 18:18 |
| dolphm | as ayoung said, this currently has undocumented api impact and smells like it should be dependent on gyee's work | 18:18 |
| dolphm | so, i'm already thinking it should land in icehouse | 18:18 |
| ayoung | dolphm, token binding? | 18:18 |
| topol | thought he said no API impact? | 18:18 |
| topol | (ayoung) | 18:19 |
| dolphm | it adds additional attributes to the token | 18:19 |
| ayoung | yeah, nothing needs to use them to start, but they will be there | 18:19 |
| henrynash | topol: binding does have api impact, huggable token provider does not (i believe) | 18:19 |
| gyee | ayoung, suppose you can park it in contrib till icehouse? | 18:19 |
| dolphm | ayoung: and yet, if they're there you're suddenly held to support the implementation | 18:19 |
| ayoung | But I think we can get it in this week, and then rebase it on top of gyee's | 18:20 |
| henrynash | Ha - huggable token providers…much better name, gyee | 18:20 |
| ayoung | dolphm, Oh, I agree that we need the API to be reviewed | 18:20 |
| gyee | huggable?! | 18:20 |
| dolphm | ayoung: still blocked by identity-api documentation | 18:20 |
| henrynash | gyee: yep, we love you, really | 18:20 |
| gyee | yah | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | if I said "no API impact" in the past I was being overly optimistic | 18:20 |
| dolphm | ayoung: either way, i'd like to untarget from milestone 2 for now | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #topic Migrate data from ec2_credential to credential table | 18:21 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/migrate-ec2-credentials | 18:21 |
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| gyee | dolphm, that one needs clarification | 18:21 |
| dolphm | i haven't seen anything in review for this? | 18:21 |
| dolphm | gyee: how so? | 18:21 |
| gyee | the blob | 18:21 |
| dolphm | gyee: ah, that's right | 18:22 |
| ayoung | dolphm, tell you what, why don't you make a first pass review of the API changes, and if it seems like it isn't going to work, untarget it. I'll elave it to you. | 18:22 |
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| gyee | my understanding is that it is a string, a serialized JSON object | 18:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: didn't realize that was the same review | 18:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: +1 | 18:22 |
| dolphm | gyee: the proposed implementation treats it as a dict | 18:22 |
| gyee | dolphm, it does a json.loads() | 18:22 |
| gyee | so it is treating it as a string | 18:23 |
| dolphm | gyee: only if it's ec2? | 18:23 |
| gyee | yes, for now | 18:23 |
| dolphm | that sounds like something that should be done in middleware, not core code | 18:23 |
| dolphm | and we already have an ec2 extension for it to live in :) | 18:23 |
| gyee | thought we are eliminated ec2_credential table | 18:24 |
| gyee | eliminating | 18:24 |
| ayoung | I'd really rather not drop the token binding, as I think it is one of those things that is going to take time to get traction. If we don't get it in until Icehouse, people won't use it until Joliet. | 18:24 |
| dolphm | gyee: the extension can start using the credential driver | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: yep | 18:25 |
| gyee | dolphm, correct, but we need to decided how we migrate the ec2_credentials first | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: but i'd really rather not rush a highly impactful feature that has immediate security implications | 18:25 |
| dolphm | gyee: did that review also address that? | 18:25 |
| dolphm | maybe that's why i was confused that it was the same thing.. | 18:25 |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31290/ | 18:26 |
| gyee | dolphm, I am fine with treating it as a serialized JSON string | 18:26 |
| gyee | so ec2 extension can deserialize it accordingly | 18:26 |
| dolphm | no migration there, and it cites a bug, not the bp | 18:26 |
| dolphm | i'll bump this one to m3+ | 18:26 |
| dolphm | gyee: +1 | 18:26 |
| gyee | sounds good | 18:27 |
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| topol | why the bump? | 18:27 |
| dolphm | topol: there's nothing in review, deadline is next week, the assignee isn't here to speak up, and it could probably be low priority for now | 18:27 |
| topol | OK cool | 18:28 |
| gyee | dolphm, I'll ask nachi to work overtime on this :) | 18:28 |
| dolphm | nachi__: Nachi: <-- assignee | 18:28 |
| dolphm | i'm assuming | 18:28 |
| Nachi | dolphm: ? | 18:28 |
| dolphm | Nachi: we're discussing one of your bp's, didn't realize you were on | 18:28 |
| Nachi | dolphm: hehe I'm here :) | 18:28 |
| Nachi | dolphm: which bp? | 18:29 |
| dolphm | Nachi: thoughts on bumping bp migrate-ec2-credentials this from havana-m2 to m3+? | 18:29 |
| dolphm | if there's something in review, i just haven't seen it | 18:29 |
| dolphm | this is obviously related, but doesn't directly address the goal of the bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31290/ | 18:29 |
| Nachi | dolphm: is this keystone related topic? Why I'm involved? | 18:29 |
| gyee | dolphm, actually, the review is good as is since it is already treating blob as serialized JSON string | 18:29 |
| dolphm | Nachi: the bp is currently assigned to you | 18:30 |
| Nachi | Really!? | 18:30 |
| dolphm | Nachi: should it be assigned to someone else / no one? | 18:30 |
| Nachi | ahhh | 18:30 |
| dolphm | Nachi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/migrate-ec2-credentials | 18:30 |
| nachi__ | dolphm: it is assigned to me | 18:30 |
| Nachi | sorry I'm different Nachi | 18:30 |
| Nachi | I'm nati.ueno. | 18:30 |
| dolphm | haha | 18:30 |
| dolphm | Nachi: my mistake! | 18:31 |
| gyee | ahhh | 18:31 |
| topol | wow. Im playing the lottery today | 18:31 |
| Nachi | sorry I'll switch back my account | 18:31 |
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| nati_ueno | here we go | 18:31 |
| dolphm | nati_ueno: i had assumed you were just logged into two or more locations | 18:31 |
| dolphm | nati_ueno: and that you were someone else | 18:31 |
| nati_ueno | dolphm: could be | 18:31 |
| dolphm | so anyway | 18:31 |
| dolphm | nachi__: can you read back? | 18:32 |
| dolphm | i'll move on in the mean time | 18:32 |
| dolphm | #topic Pluggable token formats | 18:32 |
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| gyee | yah | 18:32 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/pluggable-token-format | 18:32 |
| dolphm | i blocked the impl on this one this morning | 18:32 |
| gyee | dolphm, both need to be active, per ayoung | 18:32 |
| gyee | PKI token and UUID tokens are interchangable | 18:32 |
| dolphm | and then saw on the meeting agenda there was a question about the same reason that i had -2'd (pki and uuid are not separate providers) | 18:32 |
| dolphm | is that a leftover from a previous meeting, or was that meant to be addressed today? | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, right. at least not for validation | 18:33 |
| gyee | dolphm, I originally implemented them as separate providers | 18:33 |
| ayoung | dolphm, and gyee I can see two providers for the format produced, though | 18:33 |
| dolphm | ayoung: today, keystone can only be configured to issue one of the two types of tokens, so there's no need to maintain complicated code paths simultaneously supporting both | 18:33 |
| ayoung | so long as the pki provider will validate the hashes as per the existing code, I am OK with two providers, and it will work | 18:34 |
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| gyee | ayoung, it should | 18:34 |
| gyee | k, I'll separate them out again | 18:34 |
| bknudson | do we have a testcase that verifies it? | 18:34 |
| ayoung | bknudson, there was one in the past | 18:35 |
| gyee | bknudson, the existing test cases cover them | 18:35 |
| dolphm | gyee: my second issue is that i thought this would be a simplification of our current architecture, but it seems to complicate it quite a bit; i'm hoping that will be resolved by either splitting the "keystone" provider or in the subsequent "v2" review | 18:35 |
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| henrynash | I must admit, I had expected to actually find different providers for v2 and v3 tokens | 18:35 |
| gyee | I can do the split | 18:35 |
| gyee | henrynash, we have to support both token formats at the same time | 18:36 |
| gyee | v2 and v3 | 18:36 |
| dolphm | we'll soon have the auth controller, token controller, token driver, and token provider, and there's almost zero separation between them | 18:36 |
| henrynash | …but understand now that the approach is to only have one provider active | 18:36 |
| gyee | so it make sense to have them provided by a single provider | 18:36 |
| topol | I thought the UUID provider would be simple enough to serve as the annotated sample | 18:36 |
| dolphm | henrynash: i expect v2 and v3 tokens to be provided and persisted by the same backends, but presented to the client by the controller in slightly different formats | 18:36 |
| dolphm | as we do in all the other web-layer controllers | 18:36 |
| dolphm | because that's what the controllers are for | 18:37 |
| dolphm | presentation. | 18:37 |
| dolphm | that's also why a lot of people call them "views" | 18:37 |
| gyee | dolphm, can't, providers has to provider the complete token | 18:37 |
| topol | is the design brittle if we have the constraint of only one provider being active? | 18:37 |
| gyee | with PKI, the hash has to be done first | 18:37 |
| gyee | I did tried the translation middleware and that didn't work too well | 18:38 |
| henrynash | dolphm: sure….just thought it would be nice that we had them separated out at the back…but that would be a different model….tight now, I guess we are saying we will have a "keystone_UUID" provider and a "keystone_PKI" provdier | 18:38 |
| gyee | so UUID and PKI provider then? | 18:38 |
| gyee | we good on that? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | gyee, yep | 18:38 |
| henrynash | dolphm: where "keystone" means…support whatever v2/3/4 versions we have | 18:38 |
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| dolphm | gyee: definitely | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | last but not least... | 18:40 |
| dolphm | #topic Split the Identity Backend | 18:40 |
| gyee | henrynash, not sure if I understand the last question | 18:40 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/split-identity | 18:40 |
| ayoung | We are tracking there | 18:40 |
| ayoung | had to rebase, but the rebase is going through gat | 18:40 |
| ayoung | gate | 18:40 |
| henrynash | gyee: (Im agreeing with you :-) ) | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | and after that is a cleanup change | 18:40 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34967/ | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: beyond what's in review, is there anything left to do to satisfy the bp? | 18:41 |
| ayoung | I'm willing to further refine the BP to say that this one is done here | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: thanks | 18:41 |
| ayoung | and put things like "multipel LDAP support" into a future blueprint | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it was definitely very broad when first defined ;) | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ayoung: cool | 18:41 |
| fabio | dolphm: can we briefly talk about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/endpoint-filtering ? | 18:42 |
| fabio | please | 18:42 |
| dolphm | sure | 18:42 |
| dolphm | #topic filter endpoints based on scope | 18:42 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/endpoint-filtering | 18:42 |
| fabio | dolphm: you suggested to be an extension | 18:43 |
| fabio | I guess if it is in the core need to go to H2 | 18:43 |
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| dolphm | it's a prime example of a feature that should be an extension, yes | 18:43 |
| ayoung | fabio, I can work with you on the review. Some of the code you have needs to be re-arranged | 18:43 |
| topol | gyee, I am hoping there is a way for me to kick the tires on pluggable token. Maybe by creating a trivial example to include and document | 18:43 |
| fabio | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34489/ | 18:43 |
| topol | maybe its just annotating what you do for UUID. not sure yet | 18:44 |
| ayoung | fabio, endpoint is in the catalog backend, and projects are about to land in the assignment backend, so you are going to need to do some rebasing. | 18:44 |
| fabio | dolphm: so I will go ahead and re-factor it as an extension, agreed? | 18:44 |
| dolphm | fabio: yes | 18:44 |
| dolphm | fabio: api and implementation, both | 18:44 |
| fabio | dolphm: thanks! | 18:44 |
| fabio | dolphm: sure. Do I have time until H3 or it needs to go in H2? | 18:45 |
| gyee | fabio, extension can be in m3 and beyound | 18:45 |
| dolphm | #topic API feature freeze and extensions! | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm / ayoung: I wont be able to finish https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/cache-token-revocations by m2. With the splits and changes, it'll also be easier to implement after the dust settles a little. | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | just as a heads up since we're rapidly approaching m2 deadline | 18:46 |
| dolphm | so, henrynash ping me a couple weeks ago and asked this question | 18:46 |
| dolphm | i've been mulling it ever since, and it came up on list last week | 18:46 |
| dolphm | the goal of the api feature freeze is to provide stability on the core api during the last milestone so that we can fix bugs instead of creating them | 18:46 |
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| gyee | we don't create bugs, only undocumented features :) | 18:47 |
| dolphm | so, as long as an API feature is not included in the default pipeline (and is therefore non-core) and doesn't impact that UX out of the box, i think it's fair to pursue development during m3 | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, that is fine. I don't want to rush that one | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: exactly. | 18:48 |
| topol | dolphm, so will you decide this on a case by case basis? | 18:48 |
| dolphm | anyway, i think default-disabled extensions can land in m3 without negatively impacting the havana release | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, +1 | 18:48 |
| dolphm | topol: i'm making a general statement-- is there a specific case you have in mind? | 18:48 |
| ayoung | dolphm, might I explicitly add "changes must be configuration compatable" | 18:48 |
| gyee | dolphm, does that mean extensions are disabled by default? | 18:48 |
| dolphm | gyee: yes | 18:49 |
| gyee | I am good with that | 18:49 |
| topol | No. just good to understand the process. inevitably folks always trying and shove stuff in | 18:49 |
| bknudson | in the v3 api, there's no /extensions...how does a client know what extensions are available? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I think fixing that can be a H3 feature | 18:49 |
| dolphm | bknudson: the v3 api doc only documents what's available on /v3/ | 18:49 |
| ayoung | it is there, just broken | 18:50 |
| dolphm | bknudson: technically there's an xsd and wadl for what's available at / ... including the multiple choice response and /extensions | 18:50 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: that's all buried in the identity-api repo somewhere | 18:50 |
| gyee | bknudson, you mean discover extensions programmatically? | 18:50 |
| bknudson | dolphm: ok, it's in /, not v3. | 18:50 |
| gyee | yeah GET / | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1177531 | 18:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1177531 in keystone "Active Extensions not enumerated " [High,Confirmed] | 18:50 |
| ayoung | can we make that a critical, and I am willing to take it? | 18:51 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yes, although i think it'd more sense for it to be on /v3/extensions | 18:51 |
| dolphm | ayoung: looking | 18:51 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i don't really think it's critical without broken consumers | 18:51 |
| gyee | dolphm, as long as it is consistent with the rest of the stack | 18:51 |
| dolphm | gyee: gabrielhurley is doing some work around improving that openstack-wide | 18:52 |
| ayoung | dolphm, that logic is circular. We have no consumers *because* it is broken | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | anyway, I will take the bug and fix. | 18:52 |
| dolphm | gyee: until then, i don't want to evolve what we have, other than make it work as promised ;) | 18:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: +1, so it's not critical :P | 18:52 |
| ayoung | high is fine | 18:52 |
| dolphm | ayoung: please do! that'd be awesome | 18:53 |
| gyee | alrighty then | 18:53 |
| dolphm | high priority bug != critical priority work | 18:53 |
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| dolphm | or whatever | 18:53 |
| dolphm | bug priority != work priority | 18:53 |
| gyee | tru | 18:53 |
| henrynash | dolphm: one bug fix still outstanding for H2: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1191794 | 18:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1191794 in keystone "Some of the collections in the API document are missing the top level collections name " [Medium,Confirmed] | 18:53 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:54 |
| henrynash | dolphm: this is just an api clean up…..no code change, will get it down in newt few days | 18:54 |
| dolphm | henrynash: i *swear* there was a fix in review for that... but do you have a link? | 18:54 |
| dolphm | and i swear bknudson did it | 18:54 |
| dolphm | or maybe i did it and didn't put it up for review | 18:54 |
| topol | Who is going to Hong Kong? | 18:54 |
| henrynash | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1191794 | 18:55 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1191794 in keystone "Some of the collections in the API document are missing the top level collections name " [Medium,Confirmed] | 18:55 |
| henrynash | topol: I am | 18:55 |
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| gyee | topol, you want an example of token provider in the doc? | 18:55 |
| dolphm | topol: i'm waiting to be told if i'm being sent, or if i have to find another employer to send me | 18:55 |
| gyee | dolphm, heh, same here | 18:55 |
| henrynash | dolphm: :-) | 18:55 |
| nachi__ | dolphm: i joined late in meeting. I read back the comments. I am done with blueprint implementation for migrate ec2 credentials. I have in draft review. | 18:55 |
| nachi__ | It has a dependency on the bug fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33525/ if sqlite database is used. | 18:55 |
| nachi__ | I got your comments for the review and i will rebase the changes with your comments. I am also waiting for ayoung comment on the | 18:55 |
| nachi__ | review. | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | nachi__: that's what i figured, do you have the next step implemented / planned out / etc? | 18:56 |
| bknudson | quick question -- should the identity endpoints in catalog have /v2? I was trying to use openstack CLI and v3 commands didn't work. | 18:56 |
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| dolphm | nachi__: thanks for the follow up | 18:56 |
| henrynash | ayoung: assignment split just merged!!!! | 18:56 |
| dolphm | bknudson: ideally, no... that's also something gabrielhurley is working on fixing throughout openstack | 18:56 |
| topol | gyee, I like some form of example. either in doc or sample code. Otherwise some clown like me adds a new provider by shoving it in the existing package instead of creating a new one... | 18:57 |
| dolphm | bknudson: in the mean time, keep shoving /v2.0/ onto the identity endpoint, etc, until we have smarter clients | 18:57 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: ayoung: yay | 18:57 |
| * ayoung does happy dance | 18:57 | |
| ayoung | nachi__, I'll review after the meeting | 18:57 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: does "time_to_rebase" dance | 18:57 |
| bknudson | with v2.0, openstack commands don't work because the client tries to GET v2.0/projects or whatever. | 18:57 |
| nachi__ | dolphm: thanks. i will submit the changes with your review comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33525/ in an hour | 18:57 |
| nachi__ | thanks ayoung | 18:57 |
| bknudson | when it should use v3. | 18:57 |
| dolphm | gyee: topol: on token providers, maybe hold off on new docs until there's a uuid provider in core? i'm thinking that would be simple enough to base a new impl on | 18:58 |
| topol | dolphm +1 | 18:58 |
| gyee | dolphm, +1 | 18:58 |
| dolphm | topol: or, re-evaluate after the "keystone" provider is split into pki & uuid | 18:58 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:58 |
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| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| topol | agreed. I suspect with that may a line or two in the rst giving the right breadcrumbs and we are good to go | 18:59 |
| gyee | topol, I am avaiable for consult, for a nominal fee :) | 18:59 |
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| gyee | consultant | 18:59 |
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| topol | nominal fee. I shove my provider in the wrong place before I give you a buck :-) | 19:00 |
| jeblair | dolphm: was meetbot not working? | 19:02 |
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| * fungi was wondering the same | 19:03 | |
| dolphm | oh, damn | 19:03 |
| dolphm | i didn't even notice | 19:03 |
| fungi | time for us to test it, i guess | 19:03 |
| jeblair | lets give it a go! | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 9 19:03:24 2013 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
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| fungi | seems sane as ever (maybe moreso) | 19:03 |
| dolphm | #facepalm | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:03 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:03 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:03 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:03 |
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| fungi | dolphm: i have a copy of your sekrit meeting logs in my irc client anyway | 19:03 |
| jeblair | dolphm: yeah, looks like you had a stray '-' in the startmeeting cmd | 19:03 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:04 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 19:04 |
| * zul lurks | 19:04 | |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-07-02-19.03.html | 19:04 |
| jeblair | #topic actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:05 |
| jeblair | so all the actions were about the quantum/neutron rename... | 19:05 |
| jeblair | #topic Rename of the project formerly known as mutnuaq (mordred) | 19:05 |
| fungi | well, i know action item #3 happened | 19:05 |
| jeblair | so let's just jump to that | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | (oh, it does look like meetbot doesn't have ops) | 19:06 |
| mordred | wth? | 19:06 |
| jeblair | mordred: probably netsplit fallout | 19:06 |
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| mordred | ++ | 19:06 |
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| fungi | he's op'd now | 19:07 |
| jeblair | https://launchpad.net/~quantum-core | 19:07 |
| jeblair | that doesn't exist anymore | 19:07 |
| jeblair | so i assume ttx did that | 19:07 |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/neutron-renaming | 19:08 |
| mordred | https://launchpad.net/~neutron-core doens't exist either | 19:08 |
| ttx | jeblair: indeed | 19:08 |
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| ttx | mordred: -core is maintained in gerrit now, removed the convenience almost-shadow group | 19:08 |
| mordred | ttx: excellent. thank you | 19:09 |
| jeblair | i think the only specifically infra related thing left is to manually publish a quantumclient | 19:09 |
| fungi | if we need one going forward, it would be a ~neutron-security group or something instead | 19:09 |
| jeblair | which happens after all the code rename stuff happens | 19:09 |
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| ttx | fungi: +1 | 19:09 |
| jeblair | ttx, markmcclain, mordred: know how the in-project renames are progressing? | 19:09 |
| mordred | jeblair: I do not know | 19:10 |
| * ttx missed most of the saturday party due to some kind of family emergency, I hope it went well | 19:10 | |
| fungi | ttx: it went fine. we were marvellously overstaffed | 19:10 |
| jeblair | ttx: i think it went very well; nothing unexpected happened, and the gating jobs worked the first time through afterwords | 19:10 |
| ttx | jeblair: I've seen a few renames passing by. Will ask markmcclain during release meeting tonight | 19:11 |
| jeblair | ttx: cool, thanks | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | any final thoughts on this topic? | 19:12 |
| markmcclain | jeblair: horizon, heat, and nova left to finish | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | markmcclain: neato | 19:13 |
| markmcclain | I do want to say thanks to everyone for their work on renaming.. you guys made it super smooth and easy | 19:13 |
| jeblair | 'quantum' shows up a lot less in devstack now | 19:13 |
| jeblair | markmcclain: thanks for iterating with us on the procedure; our earlier ones would not have gone as well. :) | 19:13 |
| * fungi raises a toast to thorough planning | 19:14 | |
| * jeblair cheers | 19:14 | |
| clarkb | it did go very smoothly. I ended up reviewing code >_> | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | so i think asterisk and mongodb are stale agenda items this week, or does anyone have something to say about those? | 19:15 |
| fungi | i took mongo off just a moment ago | 19:16 |
| fungi | meant to do it after last week's meeting | 19:16 |
| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:16 |
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| fungi | looks like meetbot's oper status is good now | 19:16 |
| jeblair | mordred has proposed a scope for the infra program | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | it's on the -dev list | 19:17 |
| mordred | so far no one has disagreed | 19:17 |
| mordred | which I take to be a good sign | 19:17 |
| clarkb | last week was a short week was a short week as was the one before it. I don't have a whole lot to talk about. Elasticsearch is unhappy and will be for the near future but two new nodes should help make it happy again | 19:17 |
| * jeblair agrees | 19:17 | |
| fungi | i don't disagree with any of it, but didn't want to add silly +1 noise on the list | 19:17 |
| * mordred tried to land a pbr change for over 10 hours yesterday and failed | 19:17 | |
| pleia2 | yeah, infra description looks good | 19:18 |
| mordred | which was fun | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | no real updates from me, chugging along with cgit and bare metal stuff | 19:18 |
| mordred | and pointed out just how much benefit I think the projected work around kicking stuff out of queue will be | 19:18 |
| jeblair | mordred: what were the problems you observed? | 19:18 |
| mordred | pleia2: I welcome our upcoming cgit masters | 19:18 |
| jeblair | mordred: were you behind merge conflicts? | 19:19 |
| mordred | jeblair: long amounts of time waiting when changes in front were unmergable | 19:19 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes. most of the time I checked on the changes, they were in queue and zuul knew that their current state was pointless | 19:19 |
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| mordred | so I think our current ideas for improvement there would have been helpful | 19:19 |
| jeblair | k. i'm getting closer to that. | 19:19 |
| ttx | mordred: is there a landing page for infra on the wiki already ? | 19:19 |
| mordred | ttx: not sure | 19:20 |
| mordred | ttx: I have not gotten to moving that info there | 19:20 |
| fungi | ttx: does the InfraTeam page count? | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | we have an InfraTeam page I made, but that's more for us, not about Infrastructure | 19:20 |
| fungi | i guess a separate page for the program itself is still warranted | 19:20 |
| ttx | pleia2: I'd rather create an "Infrastructure" page as a classic program landing page and point to InfraTeam from there | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | ttx: +1 | 19:21 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:21 |
| jeblair | "live reload" is merged, i just wrote "deeper log directories"; next up is gearman priorities; then i think merge conflicts. | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | there's lots of docs about the program and team at ci.openstack.org | 19:21 |
| jeblair | we should have the wiki page be short and point there | 19:21 |
| mordred | yuo | 19:21 |
| jeblair | to reduce redundancy, i think | 19:21 |
| mordred | yup | 19:21 |
| mordred | I think it should have mission statement, a link to ci.openstack.org and a link to InfraTeam | 19:21 |
| mordred | and that's it | 19:21 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:21 |
| mordred | ttx: are you going to have a Programs page? | 19:22 |
| jeblair | sounds good | 19:22 |
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| mordred | ttx: and/or should I make the page Program/Infrastructure instead of just Infrastructure? | 19:22 |
| ttx | mordred: there is one already | 19:22 |
| fungi | mordred: agreed | 19:22 |
| mordred | or https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Programs/Infrastructure | 19:22 |
| ttx | mordred: just "Infrastructure". There is "Oslo" already" and a page for each existing project at the top-level | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | I'll clean up InfraTeam a bit this week, now that ci.openstack.org has been rewritten some of it is redundant | 19:22 |
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| ttx | mordred: that will avoid having to move all the existing ones. We'll just link it from the Programs page | 19:23 |
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| fungi | especially since there's also, e.g., https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova | 19:24 |
| ttx | and https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo | 19:24 |
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| fungi | the final iteration was that each of the server projects is also a program, right? | 19:25 |
| fungi | (more or less) | 19:25 |
| ttx | fungi: yes | 19:25 |
| mordred | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Infrastructure | 19:25 |
| ttx | mordred: ok, will add link | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 19:26 |
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| ttx | mordred: until we add some magic tagging to projects.yaml, would be great to list the repos that are under "Infra" | 19:27 |
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| ttx | can be as simple as openstack-infra/* + foo | 19:27 |
| * fungi just had a vision of a cron job or puppet exec to update some wiki stubs from a project/program registry in projects.yaml | 19:29 | |
| ttx | jeblair: can everyone see the -core group contents in gerrit ? | 19:29 |
| * dhellmann thinks if we have a bot updating a wiki we might be using the wrong tool :-) | 19:29 | |
| jeblair | ttx: that is the intent | 19:30 |
| mordred | davidlenwell: you were working on a diagram from the bootcamp - any status on that? | 19:30 |
| ttx | Because http://dowdberry.blogspot.fr/2013/07/openstack-programs-core-developers.html is wrong | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | oh, I did end up writing that launchpadlib script for our bug days, so it'll be much easier for me next time around | 19:30 |
| fungi | dhellmann: yeah, that suggests something notwiki at that point, agreed | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | (it just lives on my desktop for now, if there is a useful place to put it I'm open to suggestions) | 19:30 |
| ttx | jeblair: so everyone can access https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/83,members for example ? | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | its still kinda messy.. I was waiting for olaph to send me his drawings.. but he seems to have been pretty busy.. I'll make it priotity to finish early this week. | 19:30 |
| * ttx can't tell what he is privileged for and what he isn't :) | 19:31 | |
| pleia2 | davidlenwell: great! looking forward to seeing that :) | 19:31 |
| olaph | davidlenwell: coming right up... | 19:31 |
| jeblair | ttx: yep. i think you are unpriviliged in this context (unless you are a member of a group) | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | thanks olaph | 19:31 |
| jeblair | ttx: if any of them are not visible, it's a bug we can easily fix | 19:31 |
| mordred | it would be neat if that link had a name like "https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/nova-core,members" | 19:31 |
| ttx | mordred: indeed | 19:32 |
| clarkb | pleia2: I want to say jeepyb would be a good place for that maybe | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: it's just a basic script that pours a bunch of stuff into stdout for me to copy into an etherpd | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | i think a link to github or git.o.o (when it exists) for an automatic index of the infra repos makes sense | 19:33 |
| clarkb | hmm, not quite sure then. maybe just in your personal github is sufficient for now? | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: yeah, that's what I'm thinking | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | I'll get it up later | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | anything else, or shall we wrap up early? | 19:36 |
| mordred | wrapping up sounds good to me | 19:36 |
| clarkb | yup. we have had a couple short weeks so not surprising :) | 19:36 |
| fungi | ttx: for the record, if you click on the "general" link for the group there's a checkbox for "Make group visible to all registered users." | 19:37 |
| ttx | fungi: cool | 19:37 |
| fungi | ttx: and also a column for it in the groups list | 19:37 |
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| fungi | with little checkmarks | 19:37 |
| ttx | jeblair, mordred: we are getting closer to h2 so please hold on non-urgent disruptive changes starting like..; thursday | 19:38 |
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| fungi | with a deadline like that, i will bump zuul changes to the top of my review queue | 19:38 |
| * mordred rushes to force-push all broken pbr changes... | 19:39 | |
| fungi | ha | 19:39 |
| jeblair | so i'm trying to roll out a potentially disruptive change to zuul | 19:39 |
| jeblair | which i wanted to do over the weekend, but was unable to | 19:39 |
| jeblair | my next opportunity is wednesday afternoon | 19:39 |
| ttx | jeblair: should be good, but expect heavy review activity this week | 19:40 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I'm going to release 0.5.18 of pbr now | 19:40 |
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| mordred | anybody have any concerns about that? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | mordred: none from me | 19:40 |
| mordred | done | 19:41 |
| jeblair | well, if i break anything, i'll do the reverifies myself. though if there are problems, it's likely to mean long gate queues | 19:41 |
| fungi | if it works as intended, however, it could mean much shorter gate queues | 19:42 |
| jeblair | but i think it's worth it because the next several changes to zuul are all about performance improvements | 19:42 |
| mordred | +100 | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | at any rate, the change should be easy to revert, so if there's a problem that can't be immediately fixed, we'll just roll back to what we're running now | 19:43 |
| mordred | sounds good to me | 19:44 |
| fungi | i'm in favor | 19:44 |
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| davidlenwell | thanks for the scans olaph.. I'll kick this diagram out before eod tomorrow. | 19:46 |
| jeblair | last call | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 19:48 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 9 19:48:11 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-07-09-19.03.html | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-07-09-19.03.txt | 19:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-07-09-19.03.log.html | 19:48 |
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| ttx | (no TC meeting today, next meeting is release meeting in 66 minutes) | 19:55 |
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| stevebaker | ttx really? whew | 19:58 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:59 |
| russellb | o/ | 20:59 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:59 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:59 |
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| annegentle | are we righties or lefties? | 21:00 |
| russellb | stevebaker waves like that because he's in the southern hemisphere | 21:00 |
| * dhellmann is filling in for jd__ tonight | 21:00 | |
| * annegentle laughs | 21:00 | |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | markmc, notmyname, markwash, jgriffith, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ? | 21:00 |
| ttx | dhellmann: noted | 21:00 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:00 |
| markwash | o/ | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
| * stevebaker is holding a cup of tea | 21:00 | |
| notmyname | here | 21:00 |
| devananda | \o | 21:00 |
| ttx | missing markmc and jgriffith, let's start | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 9 21:01:19 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
| markmc | here | 21:01 |
| ttx | One week left to H2 ! We'll look into progress and defer appropriately. | 21:01 |
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| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:01 |
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| ttx | I created the "future" series and sent you all an email about the BP tracking changes. | 21:02 |
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| ttx | Most of you switched already, will discuss the few that didn't yet in their respective subtopics. | 21:02 |
| ttx | sdague, annegentle, jeblair/mordred: news from QA/Docs/Infra programs ? | 21:02 |
| annegentle | \o | 21:02 |
| ttx | annegentle: go for it | 21:02 |
| jeblair | ttx: nak | 21:02 |
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| annegentle | Docs held our monthly meeting today and weekly office hours yesterday | 21:03 |
| annegentle | meeting minutes: | 21:03 |
| annegentle | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_team_meeting/2013/doc_team_meeting.2013-07-09-13.01.html | 21:03 |
| annegentle | lots of discussion about Compute v3 api doc plan | 21:03 |
| annegentle | and Admin docs -- big or small? | 21:03 |
| annegentle | Also we have Japanese and Chinese versions of the Operations Guide soon to be posted to docs.openstack.org | 21:03 |
| annegentle | that's all I got | 21:04 |
| ttx | ok, then let's move on | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:04 |
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| markmc | hey | 21:04 |
| ttx | markmc: hi! | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:04 |
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| markmc | just cleaning up bps a bit here, so refresh | 21:04 |
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| markmc | actually, had moved on to cleaning up h3 | 21:04 |
| ttx | Looking at tracked blueprints you're 71% implemented, 29% under review | 21:05 |
| ttx | Looks very good to me | 21:05 |
| markmc | yeah, and those reviews all are plausible for next week | 21:05 |
| ttx | OK so the last 2 "medium" on track to make it ? | 21:05 |
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| markmc | and then I need to hook up oslo.config docs | 21:05 |
| markmc | yeah, they look ok | 21:05 |
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| ttx | OK, no particular worry from me | 21:06 |
| markmc | h3 plan is definitely a bit more up in the air | 21:06 |
| ttx | markmc: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:06 |
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| ttx | markmc: yes, it's a bit more crowded, but if everything in h2 makes it you might be ok | 21:06 |
| markmc | stuff like oslo.messaging and secure messaging definitely in question | 21:06 |
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| markmc | that's it from me | 21:06 |
| * ttx doesn't really expect secure messaging to make it. We'll discuss in the next weeks but | 21:06 | |
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| ttx | without the prereq in it sounds very unlikely | 21:07 |
| * markmc needs to check on kds progress | 21:07 | |
| ttx | Questions about Oslo ? | 21:07 |
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| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:08 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 21:08 |
| ttx | dolphm: hello! | 21:08 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:08 |
| ttx | I see you did some updates today | 21:08 |
| dolphm | lots! | 21:08 |
| dolphm | we went through every bp targetted at h2 today during the keystone meeting | 21:08 |
| ttx | Looks a bit better than when i last looked into it :) | 21:08 |
| ttx | 33% implemented, 33% under review, 33% todo | 21:09 |
| ttx | er | 21:09 |
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| dolphm | i believe all those ones showing good progress actually have reviews up, in one state or another | 21:09 |
| ttx | actually makre that 28% 43% and 28% | 21:10 |
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| dolphm | percentages seem like overkill when there's only 9 blueprints lol | 21:10 |
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| ttx | heh | 21:10 |
| ttx | Are all those still likely to make it ? Or should you just defer hte ones that are still in progress ? | 21:11 |
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| ttx | (since you have /some/ room left in H3) | 21:11 |
| dolphm | considering they're actually in review, i have a lot of confidence they'll make it | 21:11 |
| ttx | dolphm: should they be switched to "needs code review" then ? Are they fully proposed ? | 21:12 |
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| ttx | (pluggable-token-format and catalog-optional) | 21:12 |
| dolphm | both are in a bit too much flux to say they're ready for review | 21:13 |
| ttx | ok | 21:13 |
| ttx | dolphm: Anything more about Keystone ? | 21:13 |
| dolphm | they're technically complete, but have remaining todo's | 21:13 |
| dolphm | don't believe so! | 21:13 |
| ttx | Questions about Keystone anyone ? | 21:13 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:14 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: hey | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 21:14 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | we have a lot of code up for review right now | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | and a couple of low priority items that haven't been started | 21:14 |
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| dhellmann | I expect us to review that list on Thursday during this week's meeting | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | oh, and jd__ said he has people working on the open bugs, so we expect to land those, too | 21:15 |
| ttx | Looking good with 50% done, 42% under review | 21:15 |
| ttx | (for the tracked stuff (> Low) | 21:15 |
| ttx | ) | 21:15 |
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| ttx | Was wondering if "one-meter-per-plugin" wasn't completed already ? | 21:15 |
| ttx | you have more to propose ? | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | there's a long stack of changes waiting for approval for that | 21:16 |
| ttx | ok, somehow my script missed that long stack | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | some of the early ones were approved, but I think folks are trying to get their own patches up for review :-) | 21:16 |
| ttx | What's the status of alarm-service-partitioner ? Still likely to make it ? | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:master+topic:bp/one-meter-per-plugin,n,z | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | I haven't spoken with eglynn, but I haven't heard anything to indicate a problem | 21:17 |
| ttx | dhellmann: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | that's it, unless there are questions | 21:18 |
| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:18 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:19 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:19 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:19 |
| ttx | notmyname: Should I enable the adjust_series_goal script for you right now ? | 21:19 |
| ttx | At this point it would remove the series goal from object-replicator2 because it has no target milestone set. | 21:19 |
| ttx | You should consider set that to 1.9.1 or future/next if you want to keep it on your radar | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ya, I'll need to move it to next | 21:19 |
| notmyname | sure. go ahead and enable it | 21:20 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, will do after the meeting | 21:20 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything you wanted to raise ? I guess it's a bit early to talk about your next release :) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | we released python-swiftclient 1.5.0 todya https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-swiftclient/1.5.0 | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | that's all I have for now | 21:21 |
| ttx | Questions about Swift ? | 21:21 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:22 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:22 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:22 |
| markwash | greetings | 21:22 |
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| markwash | a few notes about the listing there | 21:23 |
| markwash | the low bps are just part of Multiple Image Locations | 21:23 |
| ttx | 40% done, 60% under review, looks good -- a bit of review effort needed now | 21:23 |
| markwash | the in-progress bug is about to be merged, just waiting on jenkins to merge it ( it is already approved) | 21:23 |
| markwash | the other bps are very close, I think we'll land all of them | 21:23 |
| markwash | I feel especially good about Multiple Image Locations and Registry Database Driver | 21:24 |
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| ttx | if the low ones are part of multiple image location... should we link them in and set them to Medium ? | 21:24 |
| markwash | that or delete them | 21:24 |
| ttx | I'll do the linking | 21:24 |
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| markwash | they were added very recently and aren't strictly necessary imo | 21:25 |
| markwash | *necessary to track independently | 21:25 |
| markwash | that's all from me, we have very active reviewers this week, and I'll keep turning the thumbscrews | 21:25 |
| ttx | #action ttx to link the two Low to multiple-image-locations and set them to med | 21:25 |
| ttx | all looks good to me | 21:26 |
| ttx | markwash: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:26 |
| markwash | nope, thanks! | 21:26 |
| markwash | I'll clean up h3 after next week | 21:26 |
| markwash | don't look now! | 21:27 |
| * ttx closes his eyes | 21:27 | |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:27 |
| ttx | #topic Neutron status | 21:27 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hi! | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:27 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:27 |
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| ttx | 30% done, 64% proposed | 21:29 |
| ttx | looks mostly good, lots and lots to review though | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. renaming has slowed things up as folks had to rebase | 21:29 |
| ttx | been through that myself | 21:30 |
| ttx | How is configurable-ip-allocation doing ? | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | it's revive an old patch.. either I'll fix it up tomorrow or kick it to H3 | 21:30 |
| ttx | should it be pushed to h3 ? might make more sense to focus on reviews right now | 21:30 |
| ttx | ok | 21:31 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/hostid-vif-override is implemented but with "undefined" priority, could you set one ? | 21:31 |
| ttx | doesn't really matter which at this point :) | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I'll clean it up for posterity | 21:32 |
| ttx | nec-plugin-test-coverage is marked implemented but has https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35807/ in progress ? | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | yes.. did see it in the h2 milestone | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | s/did/did't/g | 21:33 |
| ttx | should I make it "under review" ? | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | please :) | 21:33 |
| ttx | ok | 21:33 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ivs-interface-driver is marked implemented but targeted to h3... should I move it to h2 ? | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | yes.. I'll fix it | 21:34 |
| ttx | sdague raised bug 1194026 on the ML - i'd like to set it to critical and target it to H2... | 21:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1194026 in neutron "check_public_network_connectivity fails with timeout" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194026 | 21:34 |
| ttx | someone set it to High already | 21:34 |
| ttx | would be nice to clean it up soon so that it doesn't impact the review rush to h2 | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | right.. we talked about it yesterday in our meeting | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | have one of our cores looking into it | 21:35 |
| ttx | markmcclain: can I bump it to criotical and target it to h2 ? | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | sure | 21:35 |
| ttx | sdague: you had another one ? | 21:35 |
| sdague | markmcclain: cool, any chance you could set assigned on it? just to make it easy to know it's being worked | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | sdague: done | 21:36 |
| sdague | ttx: yes, there is also the issue with neutron on full gate, which is largely an issue that when you call network apis in nova... | 21:36 |
| sdague | you get different return codes on fails if nova-network or neutron is behind it | 21:36 |
| sdague | there has been some ML threads on this, another one kicked off | 21:37 |
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| ttx | sdague: bug# ? | 21:37 |
| sdague | it would be good to get this nailed soon if we think we want neutron running through full tests by H3 | 21:37 |
| sdague | ttx: there are a series of them, I don't have them all right nwo | 21:37 |
| ttx | sdague: ok, keep us posted on the ml | 21:38 |
| sdague | yes, will do | 21:38 |
| ttx | markmcclain: About the neutron rename, is there anything left to do ? | 21:38 |
| ttx | (on the code side ?) | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | yes.. have a few integrated projects to finish updating | 21:38 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: last time I looked there were still a few quantum-only files in bin/ | 21:39 |
| ttx | not sure what the plan is for those | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | ttx: right those are for compatibility.. we're mostly using entrypoints for neutron-* | 21:39 |
| ttx | markmcclain: ok | 21:40 |
| ttx | markmcclain: I'd like to talk to you about enabling the adjust_series_goal automation, would you have some time after this meeting ? | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | yes | 21:40 |
| ttx | markmcclain: anything else you wanted to raise ? | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | nothing other than the other integrate reviews which I'll post for Nova, Horizon, and Heat | 21:40 |
| ttx | Questions on Neutron ? | 21:40 |
| stevebaker | should those integrate reviews make it into h2? | 21:41 |
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| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:41 |
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| ttx | oops | 21:41 |
| ttx | #undo | 21:41 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x3156850> | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | doh | 21:41 |
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| stevebaker | does the rename need to be coordinated in this release across projects? | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | did sometrhing goofy just happen or am i crazy? | 21:42 |
| ttx | markmcclain: I suspect it would be good if they did ? | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | stevebaker: my preference is yes | 21:42 |
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| jgriffith | hub_cap: you're not crazy | 21:42 |
| ttx | hub_cap: you crazy :P | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | well... not because of the weird thing that happened | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | heh ya | 21:42 |
| hub_cap | sry for distracting | 21:42 |
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| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:42 |
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| markmcclain | stevebaker: the rename was planned to be phased since both neutron and quantum clients can be installed side-by-side for now | 21:42 |
| ttx | jgriffith: hola! | 21:42 |
| jgriffith | ttx: howdy | 21:43 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | slowwwwww | 21:43 |
| jgriffith | but I still think that most of them are going to make it by Monday | 21:43 |
| ttx | 53% done, 13% in review | 21:43 |
| ttx | so a bit late, but not too bad | 21:44 |
| jgriffith | The DB changes and the state machine are my only concerns | 21:44 |
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| ttx | Are all those "medium" still likely to make it ? | 21:44 |
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| ttx | so maybe not the The DB changes and the state machine | 21:44 |
| jgriffith | ttx: w/ the exception of those I just called out yes | 21:44 |
| ttx | Looking at critical bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1197571 ... | 21:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1197571 in cinder "Upper bound on keystone-client in requires causes conflict" [Critical,In progress] | 21:44 |
| ttx | The review about it was abandoned ? | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | ttx: yeah, I need to file a bug against everybody else for that one | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | ttx: common-reqs is out of sync with everybody else | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | or vice versa | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | so cinder matches | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | but others don't have the upper bound | 21:45 |
| jgriffith | so I can't change cinder to match without updating common | 21:46 |
| ttx | jgriffith: you can probably reuse the same bug, just add project tasks to it | 21:46 |
| jgriffith | ttx: will do | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | FWIW, Horizon is shortly going to be requiring 0.3.0 or later | 21:46 |
| ttx | do it soon, looks like something we'd like fixed by h2 too | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | due to support for the v3 auth stuff | 21:46 |
| jgriffith | gabrielhurley: and there's the dilema | 21:46 |
| jgriffith | gabrielhurley: ttx there's some issues with 3.0 it seems though | 21:46 |
| jgriffith | anyway... I'll look at it | 21:47 |
| jgriffith | regardless it's a bug | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 21:47 |
| ttx | jgriffith: anything else on your mind ? | 21:47 |
| jgriffith | is anybody requiring 3.0 now/today? | 21:47 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to just sync all the projects and get it over with if possible | 21:47 |
| jgriffith | then we can move together in the future | 21:48 |
| gabrielhurley | unlikely since 0.3.0 was cut *for* Horizon to make v3 auth work | 21:48 |
| ttx | jgriffith: no idea, no time to check. Maybe start an ML thread about that | 21:48 |
| jgriffith | ttx: k | 21:48 |
| gabrielhurley | we were the guinea pigs on it | 21:48 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:48 |
| jgriffith | gabrielhurley: :) | 21:48 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:48 |
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| russellb | o/ | 21:48 |
| ttx | russellb: hey | 21:48 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:48 |
| russellb | did a lot of cleanup on there today. | 21:48 |
| russellb | still a ton up for review ... | 21:49 |
| * ttx refreshes | 21:49 | |
| russellb | sent a note to nova-core earlier asking for a big push on reviews this coming week | 21:49 |
| ttx | 47% done, 37% in review | 21:49 |
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| ttx | good news is you have room in H3 to defer though. | 21:50 |
| russellb | heh, have room? 80 blueprints in h3 already i think :-) | 21:50 |
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| ttx | I stopped looking at "Low" ones now :P | 21:50 |
| russellb | ah! | 21:50 |
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| russellb | well then, yes, perhaps better looking then | 21:50 |
| ttx | Looking at the whole release plan, I'm a bit worried about two things: | 21:51 |
| ttx | deprecate-baremetal-driver and deprecate-nova-network | 21:51 |
| russellb | so one thing that came up in the last week was that it's becoming clear that we need to include reviewer bandwidth in the planning process | 21:51 |
| russellb | yeah, deprecate-baremetal-driver is dependent on ironic, and sounds like it won't be ready in time | 21:51 |
| ttx | devananda reported recently that ironic just might not be ready by Havana release | 21:51 |
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| ttx | and we don't seem to have a magic way forward to solve deprecate-nova-network in the time remaining | 21:51 |
| russellb | deprecate-nova-network ... no movement there still AFAIK | 21:51 |
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| russellb | yeah :( | 21:51 |
| ttx | unless vishy has a magic wand | 21:51 |
| russellb | i've started asking around to recruit some more help on it | 21:52 |
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| russellb | but even if some other start ramping up, it seems unlikely to be completed in time | 21:52 |
| ttx | "include reviewer bandwidth in the planning process" what do you mean by that ? | 21:52 |
| russellb | i mean, try to get the review team (nova-core) to help ack how much big stuff we think we can review in a cycle | 21:52 |
| ttx | hmm, ok | 21:52 |
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| ttx | I think review prioritization could help though | 21:53 |
| russellb | maybe i just need to communicate better about prioritizing reviews on Low vs. higher priority stuff | 21:53 |
| russellb | yeah :) | 21:53 |
| ttx | On the bugs side, Wanted to raise bug 1198040... | 21:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1198040 in nova "Nova-manage no longer operating due to neutron rename" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198040 | 21:53 |
| russellb | so, something i need to think about more / communicate better about ... | 21:53 |
| russellb | orly! | 21:53 |
| russellb | guess we should fix that | 21:53 |
| ttx | Do you agree we should target it to h2 ? | 21:53 |
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| russellb | yeah | 21:53 |
| russellb | just updated it | 21:53 |
| russellb | and will review | 21:53 |
| ttx | russellb: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:54 |
| russellb | don't think so, thanks again for the blueprint process update work you did | 21:54 |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:54 |
| * ttx is running a bit late | 21:55 | |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:55 |
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| ttx | speeding up | 21:55 |
| ttx | stevebaker: o/ | 21:55 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:55 |
| stevebaker | \o | 21:55 |
| stevebaker | my gut says those 4 bps will be deferred | 21:55 |
| ttx | 73% done, almost there | 21:56 |
| stevebaker | there are a handful of reviews for bugs. | 21:56 |
| ttx | stevebaker: not so much room in h3 to defer though :) | 21:56 |
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| ttx | stevebaker: we'll talk adjust_series_goal automation just after the meeting | 21:56 |
| stevebaker | project meeting is in 24 hours, so I'll get some commitments then. | 21:56 |
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| stevebaker | what is the h2 branch date? | 21:57 |
| ttx | EOD next tuesday | 21:57 |
| ttx | one week and a 10 hours from now | 21:57 |
| ttx | stevebaker: anything else you want to raise ? | 21:57 |
| stevebaker | I don't think so | 21:57 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:57 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:58 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:58 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:58 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:58 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm a little uncertain about the Quantum/Neutron Security Groups bp... akihiro motoki said it was close a week ago but I haven't seen code. | 21:58 |
| ttx | Not too bad, 40% done, 40% under review | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | the other ones I'm feeling good about | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | pared down the bug list too | 21:59 |
| stevebaker | heat-ui is in !1! | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | yay! | 21:59 |
| ttx | not a lot of room in h3 for deferrals either | 21:59 |
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| gabrielhurley | no, I really don't want to see these slip | 21:59 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll look at kicking stuff out of H3 soon as it is | 21:59 |
| jeblair | gabrielhurley: can you join us in #openstack-infra after the meeting to discuss a horizon problem that is affecting the entire project? | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | sure | 22:00 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: sounds good. anything else you wanted to mention ? | 22:00 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: remember you have a meeting after this one | 22:00 |
| ttx | Questions on Horizon ? | 22:00 |
| sdague | yeh, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/django_openstack_auth has broken the gate for everyone :) | 22:00 |
| gabrielhurley | just to reiterate the bit about keystoneclient that came up in the cinder topic | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | yeah, we'll sort it out after this meeting | 22:01 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: would be great to have a thread about it on the ml, looks like it will require a bit of coordination | 22:01 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 22:01 |
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| ttx | any quick question / status update ? | 22:01 |
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| hub_cap | i <3 everyone | 22:01 |
| hub_cap | that is all | 22:01 |
| ttx | sounds good :) | 22:01 |
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| ttx | more time next week hopefully | 22:02 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
| hub_cap | no worries | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 9 22:02:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-07-09-21.01.html | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-07-09-21.01.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-07-09-21.01.log.html | 22:02 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: sorry for the lateness | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | no worries | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 9 22:02:40 2013 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic overview | 22:02 |
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| gabrielhurley | Forgive me if I'm a little distracted, I'm also talking to the infra guys about fixing the gate now that we broke it by requiring keystoneclient 0.3.0 | 22:03 |
| jgriffith | :) | 22:03 |
| jcoufal | hey, np :) | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | bah | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | this isn't working... | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | quick version: | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | H2 gets cut next week | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | we need to review review review | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | Heat landed today, that's awesome | 22:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | would really like to see Ceilometer get merged ASAP too | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic blueprints | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | I'm gonna let y'all give updates, so feel free to just blurt out where things are at | 22:08 |
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| jcoufal | Inline table editing: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inline-table-editing | 22:09 |
| jcoufal | - I've designed multiple variants and there is ongoing discussions on G+ about visualization | 22:09 |
| jcoufal | - discussion: https://plus.google.com/u/0/115177641540718537778/posts/HxgHdpmiUcG | 22:09 |
| jcoufal | - last version of designs: http://people.redhat.com/~jcoufal/openstack/2013-07-08_os-inline_editation.pdf | 22:09 |
| jcoufal | - feel free to discuss on G+ if you have some feedback for it | 22:09 |
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| david-lyle | still waiting on a review for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/domain-context | 22:11 |
| david-lyle | point of protocol, is there a point where bp's can just get bumped with one +2 after being left unreviewed? | 22:12 |
| jcoufal | Navigation UX Enhancements: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/navigation-enhancement | 22:12 |
| jcoufal | - newly opened one | 22:12 |
| jcoufal | - on mailing list, I started 1st phase - gathering issues from all developers | 22:12 |
| jcoufal | - mailing list thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/011509.html | 22:12 |
| jcoufal | - if you have any issue with Horizon's navigation, now is good time to speak up, we will be very happy to get each of your issues reflected in proposed enhancements | 22:12 |
| david-lyle | jcoufal: thanks for starting that btw | 22:13 |
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| jcoufal | david-lyle: np | 22:13 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: I am happy we move forward and there is interest in that issue | 22:14 |
| timductive | o/ | 22:14 |
| lcheng2 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/login-domain-support has been implemented. Gabriel released openstack_auth 1.1.0, and it requires keystoneclient 0.3.0 for the Keystone V3 Auth support. | 22:14 |
| lcheng2 | The requirement for keystoneclient 0.3.0 broke the horizon gating job and keeping gabrielhurley busy in the infra room. :-) | 22:15 |
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| jcoufal | I have something to discuss about openstack_auth, but will leave that under general discussion | 22:16 |
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| jcoufal | Stylesheets breakdown: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/css-breakdown | 22:18 |
| jcoufal | - new blueprint opened&approved for future ("next") milestone which is helping to increase maintainability of stylesheets and improve cooperation in development by splitting one big file into logical parts | 22:18 |
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| gabrielhurley | david-lyle: generally not recommended. sometimes I abuse my PTL power when I know something's had significant review and there's a deadline looming. | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | jcoufal: good call on that BP | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:20 |
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| gabrielhurley | talk freely. lol | 22:20 |
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| jcoufal | gabrielhurley: thanks | 22:20 |
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| david-lyle | that's what I figured. my worry is there aren't a lot of public cloud scale providers looking to Horizon, so topics specific to that aren't popular for review | 22:21 |
| david-lyle | of course in general reviews are lagging | 22:21 |
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| jcoufal | gabrielhurley: one question regarding openstack_auth library - I am wondering why this is not part of Horizon. We addressed this with bug #1185713 (Focus on the first visible input at Login screen) and if we want to implement clean solution it needs to change the form attributes (HTML5 autofocus works the best). However the form is defined in openstack_auth instead of Horizon itself. Shouldn't it be part of it? | 22:23 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1185713 in horizon "When login screen is loaded, put focus on first input field (User Name)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185713 | 22:23 |
| david-lyle | it certainly would simplify the change process to have it integrated | 22:24 |
| jpich | I was chatting with Daisy and amotoki about translations last week. Daisy (the translation coordinator) was asking why we don't update Transifex automatically, it seems they would prefer it that way. I either am not familiar with the reason, or forgot it | 22:25 |
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| jpich | Also there was an interesting question about whether to update from stable or master, and if for stable for how long (e.g. we did a translation update with the first grizzly point release) | 22:25 |
| jcoufal | uvirtbot: will comment on that bug tomorrow, however there is issue with the "first visible input focus" function, doesn't work well in general use | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | jcoufal: because it's generically useful | 22:25 |
| uvirtbot | jcoufal: Error: "will" is not a valid command. | 22:25 |
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| gabrielhurley | the goal is to eventually split out the generic django parts of Horizon from the openstack-specific parts | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | same reason that the clients are no longer part of their project repos | 22:25 |
| gabrielhurley | you shouldn't have to install all of nova to use novaclient | 22:26 |
| gabrielhurley | these things are building blocks | 22:26 |
| jcoufal | ok. And the source is in your github? so that if I want to address the bug, I need to do PR to your repo? | 22:26 |
| david-lyle | problem is Horizon has to change it to adjust to keystone changes | 22:27 |
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| david-lyle | openstack_auth that is | 22:27 |
| david-lyle | the coupling is a little tight at this point | 22:27 |
| dolphm | david-lyle: has to or wants to? if has to, then that sounds like a bug in keystone/keystoneclient | 22:27 |
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| david-lyle | dolphm: perhaps wants bordering on needs | 22:28 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: understood | 22:28 |
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| jcoufal | david-lyle: if I need to do change there (openstack_auth), is Gabriel's github the right place? | 22:29 |
| david-lyle | but as it stands, it authenticates against a keystone (API compatible) backend | 22:29 |
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| david-lyle | so seems like being part of openstack makes sense | 22:30 |
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| david-lyle | jcoufal: yes | 22:31 |
| david-lyle | issue a pull request | 22:31 |
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| jcoufal | UX discussing tool: I am sorry for the later answers in mail thread about this topic. Anyway, when conversations about UX are getting bigger, the limitations of G+ starts to flash out. I hope we will not get stuck in discussions about discussions for long and we move forward. Mostly because I feel that UX conversations are suffering by G+ limitations. So... I put together my thoughts about expectations, tried few tools, | 22:33 |
| jcoufal | and if I can help with moving forward anyhow else, just let me know guys (mordred, or others). | 22:33 |
| jcoufal | david-lyle: thanks | 22:33 |
| gabrielhurley | jcoufal: david-lyle: yes, historically I owned it 'cuz I wrote it and I was the only one that knew anything about it. It allowed me to iterate rapidly. that's no longer the case nor necessary | 22:34 |
| gabrielhurley | it's about to be absorbed by openstack | 22:34 |
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| gabrielhurley | the infra team is working on it currently | 22:34 |
| jcoufal | gabrielhurley: perfect | 22:35 |
| david-lyle | who will own it? | 22:35 |
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| gabrielhurley | it'll be the purview of the Horizon core team | 22:35 |
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| gabrielhurley | I have the keys to PyPI still, along with openstack-ci | 22:36 |
| david-lyle | ok, great | 22:36 |
| gabrielhurley | it'll just be subject to the gerrit process | 22:36 |
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| david-lyle | so when that happens, are we still blocked on keystone v 0.3+, my understanding from the infra room is yes | 22:39 |
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| gabrielhurley | yes | 22:39 |
| gabrielhurley | it's gonna take another couple days of yelling at the other projects to get this through | 22:39 |
| gabrielhurley | it sounds like keystone is the main holdup, but 0.3.1 may fix things for them | 22:39 |
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| david-lyle | ok | 22:40 |
| gabrielhurley | no one is entirely sure if there are other projects unable to use a 0.3.x keystoneclient | 22:40 |
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| dolphm | gabrielhurley: no one else has pursued 0.3.x yet, to my knowledge | 22:40 |
| gabrielhurley | (3:39:40 PM) clarkb: I don't think keystone is the only one | 22:42 |
| gabrielhurley | (3:41:01 PM) clarkb: gabrielhurley: horizon also explicitly depends on keystoneclient <0.3 | 22:42 |
| gabrielhurley | (3:41:25 PM) gabrielhurley: clarkb: d'oh! | 22:42 |
| gabrielhurley | david-lyle, lcheng: we'll need to fix that | 22:42 |
| gabrielhurley | (3:42:17 PM) sdague: python-heatclient/requirements.txt:python-keystoneclient>=0.2,<0.3 | 22:43 |
| gabrielhurley | (3:42:23 PM) sdague: python-ceilometerclient/requirements.txt:python-keystoneclient>=0.2,<0.3 | 22:43 |
| gabrielhurley | (3:42:34 PM) sdague: ceilometer/requirements.txt:python-keystoneclient>=0.2,<0.3 | 22:43 |
| gabrielhurley | (3:42:34 PM) sdague: cinder/requirements.txt:python-keystoneclient>=0.2,<0.3 | 22:43 |
| gabrielhurley | (3:42:48 PM) sdague: horizon/requirements.txt:python-keystoneclient>=0.2,<0.3 | 22:43 |
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| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/36343/ | 22:43 |
| david-lyle | in review | 22:43 |
| gabrielhurley | okay, so basically we need patches to all these projects in order to get to 0.3.x for our purposes | 22:44 |
| david-lyle | we generally wait until the openstack-auth changes go through before trying to pull it in into Horizon | 22:44 |
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| dolphm | cinder- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35844/1 | 22:45 |
| dolphm | ceilometer- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35842/ | 22:45 |
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| david-lyle | because the flow is a little nutty right now... openstack-auth -> openstack-requirements -> horizon | 22:45 |
| david-lyle | :) | 22:45 |
| jpich | It's the same than with any client update, though | 22:47 |
| david-lyle | true, just convoluted | 22:47 |
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| gabrielhurley | okay. I think we've mostly got a plan of action now | 22:55 |
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| gabrielhurley | just to reca:, django-openstack-auth will become part of gerrit and be gated with everything else. for today we're gonna pin to a version of openstack_auth prior to the new client dependency. in the coming days we need to get patches into all the other projects to upgrade to the new keystoneclient. barring any major problems we can still land v3 auth in H2. | 22:56 |
| gabrielhurley | On the plus side, breaking everyone actually made this a much faster process. | 22:57 |
| gabrielhurley | anyhow. | 22:57 |
| gabrielhurley | this week | 22:57 |
| gabrielhurley | review review review! | 22:57 |
| david-lyle | lesson learned break things | 22:57 |
| gabrielhurley | we're looking good for H2 as long as we stay on it | 22:57 |
| stevebaker | fyi, I've just raised this so it has visiblity for h2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1199549 | 22:57 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1199549 in horizon "Heat stack create fails due to extra password validation" [Undecided,New] | 22:58 |
| gabrielhurley | stevebaker: thanks | 22:58 |
| david-lyle | thanks Gabriel! | 22:58 |
| gabrielhurley | set the priorities and such on that bug. If we can fix that this week that'd be great. | 22:59 |
| gabrielhurley | anyhow, I think that's it for this meeting | 22:59 |
| gabrielhurley | thanks everyone! | 22:59 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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