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| n0ano | #startmeeting scheduler | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 28 15:00:29 2013 UTC. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scheduler)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scheduler' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | Show of hands, who's here? | 15:00 |
| * glikson here | 15:00 | |
| belmoreira | hi, I'm here for the meeting | 15:00 |
| garyk | garyk: i'm here | 15:00 |
| jgallard | hi all | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | OK, let's being then. There were 3 BPs I wanted to talk about today and, since glikson is here now, why don't we start with that one | 15:02 |
| n0ano | #topic coexistence of different schedulers | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "coexistence of different schedulers (Meeting topic: scheduler)" | 15:02 | |
| n0ano | glikson, care to expand upon this? | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | glikson, YT? | 15:04 |
| glikson | yes, sorry, had an interrupt | 15:05 |
| glikson | we are still working on some design details.. will need to defer. | 15:05 |
| n0ano | NP, the floor is yours | 15:05 |
| n0ano | OK, we can do that (but I'm going to keep you on the agenda), will you be ready next week? | 15:06 |
| glikson | I hope so | 15:06 |
| n0ano | OK, then moving on. | 15:06 |
| n0ano | #topic whole host allocation capability | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "whole host allocation capability (Meeting topic: scheduler)" | 15:07 | |
| n0ano | I read the BP and the idea does sound interesting but there are a lot of open questions about how to implement it. | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | unfortuntately, Phil Day doesn't appear to be here to day so I'm not sure we can talk about this a lot | 15:08 |
| belmoreira | I have been working in a similar use-case | 15:08 |
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| n0ano | belmoreira, cool, have you talked to Phil about any overlaps you might have? | 15:08 |
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| rerngvit | hello | 15:08 |
| belmoreira | unfortunately not. I tried several emails without answer. | 15:09 |
| belmoreira | but in fact i was only aware about this BP a few time ago. | 15:10 |
| n0ano | OK, well I think I'll try and ping Phil and see when he can come to one of these meetings and we can talk intelligently about things | 15:10 |
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| n0ano | belmoreira, I'll keep you in the loop and, if we don't get any response, we'll make you take the lead on the idea :-) | 15:10 |
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| belmoreira | Well I have some code that is review about this... | 15:11 |
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| belmoreira | I believe Phil is following my blueprint | 15:11 |
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| jgallard | belmoreira, can you give the URL of the code/blueprint you are talking about? | 15:11 |
| belmoreira | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28635/ | 15:11 |
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| jgallard | belmoreira, thanks :) | 15:12 |
| n0ano | belmoreira, do you have a BP to go with the code? | 15:12 |
| belmoreira | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multi-tenancy-isolation-only-aggregates | 15:12 |
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| belmoreira | it started to be a simple update to the aggregate_multitenacy_filter | 15:12 |
| belmoreira | but then Russell suggested to create a new filter | 15:13 |
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| n0ano | sounds like, if you have code already, you don't have too many open design issues, right? | 15:13 |
| belmoreira | after reading Phil BP I believe my use case is more simple | 15:14 |
| glikson | belmoreira: I think the approach that you are suggesting is the right way to address this | 15:15 |
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| belmoreira | I have an aggregate and I want to make sure that only aggregates that I define can start instances in that aggregate | 15:15 |
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| PhilDay | Hi Folks, Sorry - got delayed in joinign today | 15:16 |
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| n0ano | PhilDay, excellent, we've just been talking about you, we're going over the whole host capability BP | 15:16 |
| n0ano | belmoreira, is online and I understand he has a BP and code that is similar to what you are proposing | 15:17 |
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| n0ano | we're curious is we can combine the BPs into one | 15:18 |
| PhilDay | Maybe - is there a link to the BP ? I'd probably need sometime to look at it | 15:18 |
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| n0ano | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multi-tenancy-isolation-only-aggregates | 15:18 |
| belmoreira | What I propose is the creation of a new scheduler filter to allocate tenants to aggregates | 15:19 |
| n0ano | I'm not asking you to make an on the spot decision, may we should defer talking about this until next when when everyone has a chance to study things. | 15:19 |
| n0ano | s/may/maybe | 15:19 |
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| PhilDay | Ok. I do remember looking quickly at this a few weeks back now. I think its similar, and may even be part of what I was looking for, bu tit doesn't as far as I can see expose the ablility to a user to explicitly allocate and deallocate hosts | 15:21 |
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| PhilDay | Which is important to us as we want to be abel to charge for hosts that are dedicetd to a user, and make it a self service model, | 15:21 |
| belmoreira | yes… seems my use case is simpler than yours | 15:22 |
| n0ano | yeah, I looked at your BP and liked the basic idea but the devil is in the details | 15:22 |
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| PhilDay | as ever ;-) I'll make some time for a deeper look this wee | 15:22 |
| glikson | PhilDay: what you are suggesting is essentially capacity registration, plus multi-tenancy. maybe the two should be added separately. | 15:22 |
| PhilDay | week (doh my fat fingers) and make sure that we're aligned where it matters | 15:23 |
| glikson | (sorry, reservation) | 15:23 |
| belmoreira | in my case… a private cloud, there are groups of people that need to have dedicated resources. And these resources are well identified. | 15:23 |
| belmoreira | I want this to be completely transparent for the users. | 15:24 |
| glikson | the multi-tenancy part can probably be implemented the same way -- with aggregates | 15:24 |
| PhilDay | belmoreira - so it may be that what I need is an API layer to work on top of the filter. Using aggregates as the basis for exclusion was the same model I was thingk of - maybe its just a question of how those get created (by admin in your case - bu users subject to quotas etc in mine) | 15:25 |
| glikson | while introducing resource reservation should be a new concept, IMO -- higher level than 'host'. E.g., "I want capacity of 10 small instances" | 15:25 |
| PhilDay | My use case is specifically for whole hosts for isolation - not a general capacity reservation | 15:25 |
| PhilDay | Also having whole hosts provides the bedraock for having seperate schedulers, etc further down teh road | 15:26 |
| n0ano | PhilDay, indeed, that's what I like abour your BP | 15:26 |
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| PhilDay | So I think belmorira's work and mine are probably complementary - but i'll make the time this week to check | 15:27 |
| n0ano | Anyway, let's defer to next week (note I think we're talking about merging proposals, not necessarily replacing one with the other). | 15:27 |
| n0ano | moving on | 15:27 |
| n0ano | #topic host directory service | 15:28 |
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| glikson | well, the notion of resource reservation is new. I would recommend adding it in such a way that it is not limited to a very specific usage. | 15:28 |
| n0ano | Unfortunately, David Scannell doesn't appear to be here today so I don't know if we can discuss this much | 15:28 |
| PhilDay | I would keep them seperate rather than merge them - sounds like what belmoreiar has does everything he needs for his use case, what I want to add should be seen as additional / incremental to that | 15:28 |
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| senhuang | PhiDay, belmoreira: I like the idea of allocating a whole hose for a particular user. Good stuff. | 15:30 |
| PhilDay | glikson - I understand you point, but am wary of make a general mechanism to cover two quite different things (otherwise we end up like Nova and bare metal provisioning :-) | 15:30 |
| n0ano | PhilDay, then you think there's no overlap between the two of you? | 15:31 |
| senhuang | glikson: generic reservation mechanism is indeed very interesting topic. but it might need much more work than this particular use case needs | 15:31 |
| belmoreira | what i have is only a filter… shouldn't interfere with anyone… The only problem could be duplication of efforts | 15:32 |
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| glikson | PhilDay: what kind of API did you have in mind? | 15:33 |
| PhilDay | I'm not convicned tehre is overlapp between effectivley making aggregates a user feature (which is what whole host allocation does - but through an abstraction) and a general capacity reservation mechanism (which is what glikson is proposing I think) | 15:33 |
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| PhilDay | glikson: Haven't got very far in that thinking - I did think that maybe hosts might be represented as a particular type of flavor (as that was how BM was heading) - but beyond that it would be pretty much a stand alone extension | 15:36 |
| glikson | my impression is once we understand better the API, the similarity might become more clear | 15:36 |
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| senhuang | glikson: agreed. | 15:37 |
| glikson | it is still a *user*-facing API, and you probably don't want to fully expose your physical hardware | 15:37 |
| PhilDay | Could be. So for now imaging an API that has allocate and deallocate primitives, where allocate takes some kind of spec that specifices the type/capacity of server you want, and which AZ you want it from | 15:37 |
| senhuang | maybe something like: nova reserve host --flavor host-type1 | 15:37 |
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| senhuang | and it returns some hashed value of the host identity | 15:38 |
| n0ano | are you talking about splitting scheduling up into two parts, reservation and then actual schedule? If so I have concerns with deadlock issues and what not. | 15:39 |
| glikson | PhilDay: that sounds very much like what I had in mind. just replace "server" with "resource pool" (and map it to an aggregate at the backend) | 15:39 |
| PhilDay | Yep, something like that. I don't want to make it a hard scedulign issue though, so teh matchign of flavor to host would probably need some bounds (so you can abstract the host flavors a little) | 15:39 |
| PhilDay | Ah, OK. Maybe i get it now - so you want to use the instance flavours to specify the size of host needed ? | 15:40 |
| jgallard | is this somethink like having a dynamic aggregate? (possibility from the API to add/remove type of host in the aggregate) | 15:41 |
| senhuang | PhiDay: yes | 15:41 |
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| glikson | user would probably want to know how many instances of which kind would fit in the reserved space.. so, this would need to be specified somehow in terms comparable with instance flavors. | 15:41 |
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| PhilDay | I guess that would need to assume a 0 degree of overprovisioning, or else teh allcoation could get quite comoles | 15:41 |
| senhuang | glikson: agree. Users may also want only 1 VM that uses all the capabilities of the host | 15:42 |
| glikson | jgallard: yep, sounds like one of the options | 15:42 |
| PhilDay | @jgallard - in effect yes - but in a way that users can only affect acggregates that belong to them (at the moment aggregates aren't scoped to a user) | 15:42 |
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| jgallard | glikson, PhilDay , thanks, i see the point : a kind of dedicated dynamic aggregates allocated per tenant | 15:43 |
| glikson | PhilDay: so, seems that belmoreira's patch solves the problem of mapping aggregates to users. and what is left is capacity reservation, backed by aggregates. | 15:43 |
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| PhilDay | Once they have allocated hosts, and we support different schedulers, then they may be able to fit more instances in of course than the number used to size it | 15:44 |
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| PhilDay | glikson - that's what I'm thinking. | 15:44 |
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| belmoreira | sounds good. | 15:44 |
| glikson | PhilDay: yep, surfacing different scheduling policies to users is also an interesting use-case. I guess it would be more for tenant admins rather than regular users though. | 15:45 |
| jgallard | glikson, +1 | 15:45 |
| PhilDay | My feeling when I first came up with this was that I didn;t want to just make aggregates directly visible to users - as they are too closly linked with hosts, etc - and as glikson pointed out a degree of abstraction is needed. | 15:45 |
| jgallard | glikson, yes, the scheduling policy will probably depend of the class of service | 15:46 |
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| PhilDay | Adding different schedulers is a harder problem I think - which is why I was leving that out for now. But if we build on aggregares then I think that gives us the right basis for adding that in later. Agreed that there will be different roles required | 15:47 |
| glikson | PhilDay: mapping different scheduler implementation/policies to aggregates is exactly the BP we are working on | 15:48 |
| PhilDay | excellent | 15:48 |
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| jgallard | for references: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-scheduler-drivers | 15:49 |
| glikson | there are some challenges there, hopefully will have a more specific proposal by next meeting | 15:49 |
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| n0ano | OK (I love the way we have the bulk of the discussion after I've moved on to a different topic :-) | 15:50 |
| n0ano | I think I'll still add this to next week's agenda, give everyone time to study B | 15:50 |
| n0ano | Ps and think of issues. | 15:50 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:50 |
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| n0ano | In the last few minutes does anyone have any opens to bring up? | 15:50 |
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| n0ano | hearing silence I think it's time to thank everyone and we'll talk again next week. | 15:51 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 28 15:52:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-05-28-15.00.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-05-28-15.00.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scheduler/2013/scheduler.2013-05-28-15.00.log.html | 15:52 |
| jgallard | thanks everyone | 15:52 |
| belmoreira | thanks | 15:52 |
| glikson | thanks | 15:52 |
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| glikson | PhilDay: still there? | 15:57 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: hey alessandro | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: hi luis_fdez | 15:58 |
| luis_fdez | hi! | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: what time did you want to talk? | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | and do you need me to setup the bridge? | 15:58 |
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| luis_fdez | after the meeting is ok for you? I'm at home but I can share some minutes with you before going to the supermarket hehe | 15:59 |
| luis_fdez | I can use skype | 15:59 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: that works | 15:59 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: email your skype info | 16:00 |
| alexpilotti | Hi guys | 16:00 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: hi there | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 28 16:00:15 2013 UTC. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:00 |
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| alexpilotti | I'm checking in at the hotel | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: fair enough | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: I think this is going to be quick anyway | 16:00 |
| alexpilotti | On the iphone now :-) | 16:00 |
| ociuhandu | hi all | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: I know you're on your way to a conf | 16:00 |
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| alexpilotti | Yep, very nice location btw | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: is there anything specific that we need to address while we have you on | 16:01 |
| alexpilotti | Openstack CEE | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: perfect | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: and you're presenting a session? | 16:01 |
| alexpilotti | Well we discussed almost every important stuff last time | 16:01 |
| alexpilotti | Yep | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: yes, I wasn't sure if we missed something | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | also, I'm hoping someone from dell show's up | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | A part of the one in Portland plus the new stuff :-) | 16:02 |
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| primeministerp | considering they announced thier involvement | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | anyone from dell present? | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | Ah, I guy from dell is recording interviews for their website | 16:02 |
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| alexpilotti | Like a 5'-10' thing | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | Take a look at the agenda, it's quite interesting | 16:03 |
| pnavarro | #link http://openstackceeday.com/agenda | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: thx | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: Tx :-) | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | EmilienM: Ping | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | EmilienM: Has a session as well :-) | 16:04 |
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| pnavarro | just after you | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | awesome | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | so no one from dell here | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | I was hoping to hear how they are getting involved | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | There's a guy | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | From dell | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | no i mean on this channel now | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | is rob there? | 16:05 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: anything else to add? | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | Will see tomorrow | 16:06 |
| alexpilotti | Questions on the bps? | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | bps? | 16:07 |
| pnavarro | blueprints | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | o | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | thx | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | too many acronyms | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | quantum ones still need to be added I assume? | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: that going to start after this event? | 16:08 |
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| alexpilotti | Yep | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | Tpfkaq | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: anything you want to bring up? | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | The project formerly known as quantum :-) | 16:09 |
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| schwicht | primeministerp: yes liuxpei: and I were wondering, if there is a new patch for #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1177927 in the works? | 16:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1177927 in nova "VHD snapshot from Hyper-V driver is bigger than original instance" [Undecided,In progress] | 16:10 |
| alexpilotti | We're working on it | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: ^ | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | If you guys want to send in a patch I'll happily review it ;-) | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | schwicht: ^ | 16:11 |
| schwicht | good point ... | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | so aside from schwicht and liuxpei getting working on that patch... ;) | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | anything else that needs to be addressed today | 16:12 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: we'll talk directly after this if that's ok | 16:12 |
| luis_fdez | primeministerp: ok | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: assuming i have your skype info in my inbox | 16:13 |
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| primeministerp | still suprised no representation from dell today | 16:13 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: anything else, if not I'm going to end the meeting | 16:14 |
| pnavarro | nothing from my side | 16:14 |
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| pnavarro | alexpilotti: could you assign me the bp for ephemeral? | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: Sure! | 16:14 |
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| primeministerp | pnavarro: perfecto | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: Take care that we might have to commit the snapshot bug patch first! | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: Tx! :-) | 16:15 |
| pnavarro | I'll be attentive, no problem | 16:16 |
| pnavarro | good luck for tomorrow alexpilotti ! | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: good luck | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: Tx guys! | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | ok everyone closing meeting | 16:16 |
| primeministerp | thx for the time | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: Ping me on Skype when you want to talk about the Bp | 16:17 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 28 16:17:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-05-28-16.00.html | 16:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-05-28-16.00.txt | 16:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-05-28-16.00.log.html | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | Bye guys! | 16:17 |
| pnavarro | ok alexpilotti ciao ! | 16:17 |
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| liuxpei | hi, are you still here? | 16:20 |
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| liuxpei | alexpilotti: are you still here? | 16:20 |
| liuxpei | want to skype with you for something | 16:20 |
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| alexpilotti | liuxpei: Sure, I just got into my hotel room, in 1' I'll have my laptop ready | 16:21 |
| liuxpei | alexpilotti: ok, thanks, talk with you on skype | 16:21 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| henrynash | hi | 18:00 |
| stevemar | howdy | 18:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:00 |
| spzala | hello | 18:00 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 28 18:00:38 2013 UTC. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | hey | 18:00 |
| * ayoung here too | 18:00 | |
| bknudson | hi | 18:01 |
| dolphm | ayoung: gyee: termie: o/ | 18:01 |
| dolphm | bknudson: o/ | 18:01 |
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| dolphm | #topic High priority bugs or immediate issues | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority bugs or immediate issues (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| dolphm | so, i'd like to keep this meeting as short as possible, because we do have a high priority issue... | 18:01 |
| dolphm | we opened bug 1179615 today as public security | 18:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1179615 in keystone/folsom "[OSSA 2013-014] auth_token middleware neglects to check expiry of signed token" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1179615 | 18:02 |
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| dolphm | and the patch is failing at gate due to integration failures https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30743/ | 18:02 |
| dolphm | ongoing conversation in the review + #openstack-dev if anyone wants to jump in and help | 18:03 |
| dolphm | (i'm going to assume that's the only high priority issue because that's all i'm aware of) | 18:03 |
| dolphm | #topic havana milestone 1 | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "havana milestone 1 (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| dolphm | milestone 1 is being cut later today for may 30 | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | we have one outstanding blueprint | 18:04 |
| dolphm | Unified Logging | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | #link Unified Logging | 18:04 |
| dolphm | whoops | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/unified-logging-in-keystone | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: o/ | 18:04 |
| dolphm | the implementation is currently blocked by a build failure, -2 by ayoung, and broken default config values | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | yep, I have a review up but I had a couple of questions on the default config values | 18:05 |
| bknudson | I wonder how the other projects got around the default config values problem? | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: i assume you have a patch that would fix build failures? | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | I wanted to get some input from you guys before respinning the patch | 18:05 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: i think your -2 is a valid concern but shouldn't be blocking, as it's not creating a hard dep on eventlet | 18:05 |
| dolphm | so the only issue that remains is how we handle broken default values | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29803/ | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | there is the review, if anyone needs it | 18:06 |
| bknudson | what's the error? | 18:06 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: can we simply override oslo's defaults with more sensible defaults? or do we need to patch oslo first and then consume the fix? | 18:06 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: the default values that oslo provides for logging don't work for keystone | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: if we make any changes to oslo it needs to land in oslo before we can pull it into keystone | 18:06 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: right | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: which means this is pushed to m2 | 18:07 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: which is fine, but if there's a workaround, we still have a bit of time today to get it in | 18:07 |
| bknudson | Looks like it expects an "asctime" argument in the dict passed in | 18:08 |
| bknudson | (from looking at http://paste.openstack.org/raw/37611/) | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | right, so the only thing is determining what the default values should be for these config options so if we need to makes changes to oslo we know what to change, | 18:08 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: i would think the default values in oslo should be very generic and work for any project | 18:08 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: kwargs like "instance" are *way* to specific for oslo | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: I agree, and %(instance)s kind of breaks that | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: +1 | 18:09 |
| bknudson | maybe this needs discussion on the -dev mailing list | 18:09 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: do we have a way to override the defaults from the keystone side, though? | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | dolphm: we could try and get around it somehwere in keystone/common/config.py | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | I am treating that as an interface to the new logging from oslo | 18:10 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: do you have time to try? | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: yeah, I can give it a shot | 18:10 |
| dolphm | cool | 18:10 |
| dolphm | (skipping around the agenda a tiny bit) | 18:11 |
| dolphm | #topic keystoneclient vs openstackclient | 18:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "keystoneclient vs openstackclient (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:11 | |
| dolphm | question is- What enhancements we should still allow into keystoneclient? | 18:11 |
| henrynash | so i put that on | 18:11 |
| henrynash | just thought we should clarify when we should still update keystonecleint | 18:11 |
| bknudson | I assume this is just the keystone command-line utility | 18:11 |
| dolphm | i think my answer to that is that anything can go into keystoneclient except new CLI features -- CLI bug fixes and polish is fair game | 18:11 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I was worried that the change was pulling in Eventlet indirectly, via the "Weak" attribute, if I read the code right. | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: weakref correct? | 18:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it is, but only if the deployment's configuration opts in | 18:12 |
| dolphm | (i think) | 18:12 |
| dolphm | henrynash: is that a satisfactory answer, or did you have a specific case? | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, if you can confirm that, I'll remove the -2 | 18:13 |
| henrynash | dolphm: Ok, so defecto rule: cli commands/parameters are fixed…. | 18:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: thanks | 18:13 |
| bknudson | maybe we should document the decision of what enhancements go into keystoneclient somewhere. so someone doesn't go about implementing something | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: confirm that weakref isn't pulling in eventlet as a hard dep? | 18:13 |
| bknudson | only to get -2d | 18:13 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: unless it's a bug fix or trivial user experience polish | 18:13 |
| dolphm | bknudson: that'd be nice -- perhaps in the docstr of keystoneclient.cli? | 18:14 |
| henrynash | dolphm: bug fix sure…..user experience polish might be a bit of a slippery slope | 18:14 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: from what I have researched so far, it uses weakref to switch between contexts | 18:14 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, yes, that we are not pulling in more deps on eventlet as we move forward. We are actively working to corral the eventlet code, and interpsersing it throughout oslo code makes it harder to do that | 18:14 |
| bknudson | I've got to admit I'm a little worried about openstack client... just from the lack of progress. Wish I had time to help out | 18:14 |
| henrynash | (i guess the trivial part is subjective, but fine) | 18:14 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: is there a README or HACKING in python-keystoneclient? or, add it to the readme. | 18:15 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i worry about keystoneclient the same way :P | 18:15 |
| dolphm | #action dolphm to document in keystoneclient that CLI evolution is deprecated in favor of openstackclient | 18:15 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yes, i'll probably do both | 18:15 |
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| henrynash | dolpM; excellent | 18:15 |
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| dolphm | #topic Inherited roles from domain | 18:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Inherited roles from domain (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:15 | |
| dolphm | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29781/ | 18:15 |
| dolphm | henrynash: all yours | 18:15 |
| henrynash | gyee: you here? | 18:15 |
| henrynash | he had the only booking comment right now.... | 18:16 |
| henrynash | (blocking...) | 18:16 |
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| henrynash | since he's not here, anyone else have issues? If not, I'll close it offline with him | 18:17 |
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| bknudson | I had a comment about using PUT vs PATCH | 18:18 |
| henrynash | ahh, right thanks yes... | 18:18 |
| bknudson | seemed like PUT handled everything so PATCH wasn't necessary | 18:18 |
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| bknudson | It's more of a question of stateless/idempotent vs stateful | 18:19 |
| henrynash | was a bit uncomfortable using PUT to overwrite an attribute in an existing "object" | 18:19 |
| bknudson | this is how PUT normally works in HTTP | 18:19 |
| bknudson | it replaces whatever's there with the new object | 18:19 |
| dolphm | a whole new object* | 18:19 |
| bknudson | e.g., if you PUT a file to a web server | 18:19 |
| bknudson | yes, a whole new object, not replacing parts of it | 18:20 |
| henrynash | I thought we were trying to use PATCH for partial updates? | 18:20 |
| bknudson | nice thing is you always know what you get in the end. | 18:20 |
| henrynash | (of course PUT will have the desired affect) | 18:20 |
| dolphm | henrynash: bknudson: we can side step the entire issue by creating a whole new resource like PUT /domains/{domain_id}/users/{user_id}/inherited-roles/{role_id} | 18:20 |
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| dolphm | that way you crud them completely separately, and we can put the burden of transparently handling both sets correctly on the client side | 18:21 |
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| bknudson | What does "PUT /domains/{domain_id}/groups/{group_id}/roles/{role_id}" do now if the role is already granted to the group on domain? | 18:22 |
| henrynash | we could do that….have to think through the implications of creating a new "class" of role across the apis | 18:22 |
| bknudson | respond with 204 No Content again or something else already exists? | 18:22 |
| dolphm | so if you tried to add a role as inherited, and it was already non-inherited, the client could delete the non-inherited role and create an inherited role | 18:22 |
| dolphm | bknudson: should raise a 409 conflict | 18:23 |
| dolphm | s/add/assign/ | 18:23 |
| henrynash | dolphm: there is one thing I like about your idea…in that in my proposal an inherited role ends up on the domain AND the projects within it…. | 18:24 |
| henrynash | …and actually you really want one or the other | 18:24 |
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| henrynash | you erither have a role on a domain (to admin stuff at that level) or you want the role to (just) appear at each project... | 18:24 |
| henrynash | I think that first slightly better with what you siggest | 18:25 |
| dolphm | henrynash: interesting, i hadn't actually considered that | 18:25 |
| henrynash | dolphm: let me try re-working along that idea and if it pans put I'll update the proposa; | 18:26 |
| henrynash | proposal | 18:26 |
| dolphm | henrynash: alternatively, PUT /domains/{domain_id}/users/{user_id}/roles/{role_id}/inheritance <-- slightly different semantics | 18:26 |
| dolphm | #topic open discussion | 18:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:27 | |
| dolphm | about 30 minutes left, but i'm going to go fuss over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30743/ | 18:27 |
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| bknudson | so what's happening is that new tokens are considered invalid? | 18:30 |
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| dolphm | UUID tokens that *should* be valid are being denied | 18:31 |
| dolphm | bknudson: and getting the expected logs out of the vm has been an issue | 18:31 |
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| bknudson | by keystone server or auth_token middleware? | 18:32 |
| dolphm | bknudson: they appear to be truncated early | 18:32 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: keystone server returns 200, auth_token denies, inexplicably | 18:32 |
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| bknudson | UUID tokens weren't a problem before, only PKI tokens... | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: correct | 18:34 |
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| nachi | henrynash: Got a question regarding keystone client test test_auth_token_middleware.py | 18:39 |
| nachi | Question: Do we expect to populate http headers with none values? | 18:40 |
| dolphm | nachi: headers can't really be null | 18:40 |
| nachi | I see that the tests in keystone client code which expects headers with none values when authenticating against v3 for unscoped token. | 18:40 |
| bknudson | you don't know if it's "invalid token format:" or "Token expired a " ? | 18:40 |
| nachi | https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/tests/test_auth_token_middleware.py#L1391 | 18:41 |
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| henrynash | nachi: so you mean the headers of just env variables being set by auth_middleware? | 18:42 |
| nachi | yes | 18:42 |
| henrynash | nachi: sorry, I meant that as a question….is it headers OR env variables? | 18:43 |
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| nachi | http headers | 18:45 |
| henrynash | nachi: I think you are referring to wsgi environment variables actually….I believe that's how we pass the info from auth_token to whatever is following in the pipeline | 18:46 |
| atiwari | henrynash: Sorry I am late but added some concern about inherited roles design in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29781/ . Can we revisit that topic? If time permits. | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | sorry, was in a meeting and am late, wanted to toss this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27597/ on the "to be discussed" if therte is time. | 18:47 |
| henrynash | atiwari: thx, just saw your comments - good to receive them…I'll look at them later and respond - we are still working through the api changes anyway... | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | or. uhm. did i misread the meeting :P | 18:49 |
| atiwari | np, basically I am proposing scoping of inherited roles to one domain but not to all customer domains | 18:49 |
| henrynash | atiwari: without thinking it through….my gut feel is negative to that….but want to study your issues more closely before I respond! | 18:50 |
| atiwari | sure | 18:50 |
| henrynash | atiwari: we want to really get this right and not get ouselves into more problems than we are trying to solve :-) | 18:51 |
| henrynash | nachi: does that make sense? | 18:51 |
| nachi | henrynash: thanks | 18:51 |
| atiwari | yes, that is what my comment all about :) | 18:51 |
| nachi | henrynash: yes | 18:51 |
| henrynash | atiwari: agreed | 18:52 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: sorry, meeting kind of dissolved early due to an urgent issue | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: ah no worries. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | like i said, i was in a meeting and missed a lot because… well… meeting :P | 18:52 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: :-) | 18:53 |
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| dolphm | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 28 18:59:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-05-28-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-05-28-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-05-28-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| jeblair | ci/infra people? | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | yo | 19:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:00 |
| dprince | holler | 19:00 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:01 |
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| * jeblair updates agenda | 19:01 | |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 28 19:02:44 2013 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
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| jeblair | #topic agenda | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| jeblair | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #topic testr in project progress | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testr in project progress (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| jeblair | clarkb: how's it goin? | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | not much new to report since the last meeting | 19:04 |
| mordred | poo | 19:04 |
| clarkb | I think most of the remaining projects are targetting H-2 for testr'ing and H-1 things are taking a front seat right now | 19:04 |
| mordred | I migrated a few more folkses I thought | 19:04 |
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| mordred | or at least submitted patches | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | I think patches are floating around but no merges yet | 19:05 |
| clarkb | you and jgriffith started on cinder | 19:05 |
| mordred | i believe we finished cinder, no? also, I have testtools up and initial testr up for swift | 19:06 |
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| mordred | (thank you long boring plane flight) | 19:06 |
| clarkb | if you did I missed it. This is a good thing :) | 19:06 |
| clarkb | #action clarkb get up to speed on recent testr'ing | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | #topic What can infra do to enable remote participation at the next Design Summit? | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | reed: what's going on in this area? | 19:09 |
| reed | jeblair, the discussion on the mailing list didn't really give me the feeling that this is something uber-important | 19:09 |
| jeblair | reed: are you leaning toward getting some phone lines, or doing ad-hoc irc/etherpad chats? | 19:11 |
| reed | I have little interest in setting up something that is voice only, usable basically only for the summits and only for a handful of people | 19:11 |
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| reed | jeblair, not sure about phone lines, but if that's all we need I can ask to add them to the budget | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | reed: okay | 19:14 |
| jeblair | #topic Mailing lists | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | reed: this one is yours too | 19:15 |
| reed | yeah ... | 19:15 |
| reed | rockstar has been working with Launchpad adminstrators to get a pickle from the General list | 19:15 |
| reed | he got one but it's 'funny looking' so he needs another one, hopefully it will be delivered today | 19:15 |
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| mordred | occasionally I love the sentences that we speak around here | 19:16 |
| reed | once we get the pickle we will be able to test that indeed it contains the full list of subscribers and configurations from LP into lists.openstack.org | 19:16 |
| jeblair | it's hard to pickle correctly, and possibly dangerous if you do it wrong | 19:16 |
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| reed | once that is tested, we will have to decide how to migrate from one list to another | 19:17 |
| reed | and it won't be as simple as switching a DNS | 19:17 |
| reed | I think we need a clear cutoff date | 19:17 |
| jeblair | since we don't control launchpad, i think we'll have to just set a flag day and make the switch | 19:17 |
| reed | and communication | 19:17 |
| reed | yep | 19:18 |
| reed | and the day of the switch we'll need to get the pickle again | 19:18 |
| reed | so we'll have to coordinate with LP admins | 19:18 |
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| reed | we're keeping notes on https://etherpad.openstack.org/mailmain-migration-notes | 19:18 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/mailmain-migration-notes | 19:19 |
| reed | #info we'll need to set a date for a cutoff and do the switch between Launchpad and lists.o.o | 19:19 |
| jeblair | reed: so we'll wait on rockstar to propose a date based on when he's happy with the pickle | 19:20 |
| jeblair | ? | 19:20 |
| reed | yes | 19:20 |
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| reed | #info we'll wait on rockstar to propose a date based on when he's done testing the migration between LP and lists.o.o | 19:20 |
| jeblair | okay, that all sounds good | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | what should we do to the LP list on cutover? | 19:22 |
| clarkb | the archives will be on lists.o.o at that point? can we just kill it on LP? | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | yeah, just wondering what "kill" means in this context... | 19:22 |
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| fungi | we could subscribe the new list to the old one right before the cutover to get anything in flight, and then make membership to the old list require approval for a bit | 19:23 |
| reed | we should move the archives too | 19:23 |
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| reed | fungi, why? | 19:24 |
| jeblair | reed: is rockstar working on that? | 19:24 |
| jeblair | " | 19:24 |
| jeblair | "Deactivating this list will stop it from accepting posted messages. You can reactivate the list later, without having to get administrator approval." | 19:24 |
| jeblair | so that's an option in launchpad ^ | 19:24 |
| reed | jeblair, I'll make sure he does | 19:24 |
| fungi | reed: only if we care about messages which are pending delivery to the old list at the time of cutover, i guess | 19:24 |
| jeblair | i think we could do that at cutover time | 19:24 |
| reed | fungi, I get it now, thanks | 19:25 |
| fungi | reed: if messages in people's outbound queues at that moment (keeping in mind that temporary connectivity issues can make that days) are an acceptable loss, then no need | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i think we'd have to create a launchpad user in order to do that | 19:26 |
| * fungi nods | 19:27 | |
| jeblair | (whose email addr is the new list addr) | 19:27 |
| fungi | it's nontrivial, i agree. the ossg list did that for a while | 19:27 |
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| fungi | i don't know if it's worth the effort, just putting it out there | 19:27 |
| jeblair | i lean toward "acceptable loss"... | 19:27 |
| reed | me too, acceptable loss | 19:27 |
| jeblair | especially since everyone will need to know about the new list and cutover time anyway | 19:27 |
| mordred | acceptable | 19:28 |
| fungi | yeah, not worth worrying over in that case | 19:28 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | reed: anything else on this topic? | 19:28 |
| reed | nope | 19:28 |
| jeblair | cool, thanks (and i'm looking forward to the move!) | 19:29 |
| reed | me too :) | 19:29 |
| jeblair | #topic OpenStack Operations Guide - tooling, licensing, publishing discussion | 19:29 |
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| jeblair | a few of us chatted with annegentle and folks from oreilly about their atlas system | 19:29 |
| jeblair | it sounds like it will probably be used mostly for annegentle, the book authors, and oreilly to collaborate for a limited period during which oreilly will be working on editing the book for publication | 19:30 |
| jeblair | and that we're not looking at making it part of a long-term workflow for docs/books at this point | 19:30 |
| annegentle | Sounds right jeblair -- if we reach a contract agreement. | 19:31 |
| annegentle | Limited use, limited time periods. | 19:31 |
| jeblair | so that seems like a great position to be in for an experiment | 19:31 |
| annegentle | yay for labs | 19:31 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | also, as a point of interest, their web editor is built around http://ace.ajax.org/ | 19:32 |
| jeblair | #link http://ace.ajax.org/ | 19:32 |
| jeblair | #topic TripleO Testing (TOCI) | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TripleO Testing (TOCI) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:33 | |
| pleia2 | so, dprince wrote this to do tripleo testing: https://github.com/toci-dev/toci | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | which is essentially tripleo's incubator notes.md put into scripts and tweaked a bit to run on its own for testing purposes (cool!) | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | he currently has it running on a physical box, I've done testing on my own physical boxes last week | 19:33 |
| dprince | Not just dprince though. Derek and Lucus chipped in quite a bit too! | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | hooray :) | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | so on our side, dprince put together this to get the syntax right on actually adding TOCI to devstack-gate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29978/ | 19:34 |
| mordred | yay for collaboration! | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | however, this ends up being testing "openstack on openstack" on hpcloud, an openstack VM, so I guess that's like... quintuple o | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | I tested this today, hpcloud VM doesn't have the kvm module, so we can't boot the bootstrap node as-is :( | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | I even tried anyway to see if it would do something clever, alas, no: http://paste.openstack.org/show/37829/ | 19:34 |
| clarkb | fwiw that change is ready for merging imo. Just need a good time to batch up the zuul layout changes | 19:34 |
| mordred | wow. no kvm module makes me a sad panda | 19:35 |
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| pleia2 | mordred: me too | 19:35 |
| dprince | well... if it is only going to fail ATM there is no sense sending it in yet. | 19:35 |
| dprince | Would it run on RAX? | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | dprince: right | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | I don't know if they're any different in this regrad | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | regard | 19:35 |
| dprince | I mean... we *can* add the KVM module there right? | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | it's not loadable by default | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | but I just discovered this about 30 minutes ago, so more investigation is required | 19:36 |
| * jeblair considers kexecing into a kvm-enabled kernel | 19:36 | |
| mordred | jeblair is more leet than morganfainberg | 19:36 |
| clarkb | would that help? KVM requires cpu things that aren't availabe to VMs iirc | 19:36 |
| mordred | gah | 19:36 |
| mordred | jeblair is more leet than mordred | 19:36 |
| sdague | jeblair: that's not going to work | 19:36 |
| dprince | Right. But on next gen RAX I don't think they prevent you from using your own kernel, etc. | 19:36 |
| dprince | Just throwing it out there if it helps. | 19:37 |
| jeblair | sdague: i'm sure; but it's an amusing thought. ;) | 19:37 |
| sdague | kvm needs access to the processor hardware extensions :) | 19:37 |
| clarkb | sdague: yeah | 19:37 |
| clarkb | this problem exists with RAX and HPCloud | 19:37 |
| dprince | I mean eventually we want bare metal anyway... so got plans for that? | 19:37 |
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| sdague | which if hp cloud isn't running with nested in the host, then you're done | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | dprince: well we wanted to do both, starting with virtual | 19:37 |
| mordred | do we need kvm? I thought the tripleo stuff would also do qemu? | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | (we're working out details about who would give us a rack that we can do scary things to) | 19:37 |
| sdague | but do you actually need kvm | 19:37 |
| mordred | I got a rack offer | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | mordred: that may be possible, if slow | 19:38 |
| jeblair | mordred: do you have a people offer? | 19:38 |
| mordred | but we're also working out details of people to deal with it | 19:38 |
| mordred | :) | 19:38 |
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| sdague | pleia2: it would be worth trying it without real kvm to figure out how slow it really is | 19:38 |
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| pleia2 | sdague: yeah, maybe that's my next step | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | so I'll give it a spin with qemu and keep everyone updated, other suggestions will be welcome :) | 19:38 |
| sdague | and not assume it's unworkable until proven so, because my experience is sometimes this stuff surprises you | 19:38 |
| jeblair | since we've already lost access to one set of hardware, i'm going to be really cautious about having any openstack gating tests depend on that. | 19:38 |
| dprince | Okay. There are a couple ways to go here from my prospective. It would be useful to have this as a feedback loop for upstream tripleO stuff (soonish) | 19:39 |
| dprince | So if we think cloud isn't going to work out, with qemu or fancy kvm module loading, or whatever... | 19:39 |
| dprince | Then I could 3rd party it up on bare metal. | 19:39 |
| dprince | I mean... I *know* how to do that. :) | 19:39 |
| jeblair | i agree with sdague we ought to try qemu first | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | so there was that session we had on baremetal where we talked about what requirements we'd have for baremetal, was that ever written down somewhere? (aside from the etherpad) | 19:40 |
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| pleia2 | like, isolated on network, provide on-site hands, don't ever trust these machines again | 19:40 |
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| fungi | i don't recall seeing it summarized beyond that etherpad | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | neither do I | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | ok, so I'll test w/ qemu and see what we can do on the virtualization side, and also put together some baremetal requirements from that etherpad so we have something to give to people who offer us hardware | 19:43 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:43 |
| jeblair | pleia2: sounds good | 19:43 |
| dprince | pleia2: this may be as simple as passing an alternate --engine to configure-bootstrap-vm. | 19:43 |
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| pleia2 | dprince: yeah, going to test locally and compare speeds, then test on hpcloud | 19:44 |
| fungi | if nothing else, seeing how slow it is under nested qemu provides some numbers which allow sizing the bare metal environment | 19:44 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:44 | |
| pleia2 | cool, thanks everyone | 19:44 |
| jeblair | #topic infra bootcamp | 19:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "infra bootcamp (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:44 | |
| jeblair | mordred and I have been discussing ways to help new people contribute to openstack-infra | 19:45 |
| jeblair | i've started a rework of our documentation to orient it to answer questions like "how do i contribute" and "what are all these tools and what the heck do they do?" | 19:46 |
| pleia2 | awesome | 19:46 |
| mordred | that's going to be super helpful | 19:46 |
| fungi | i'm extremely excited | 19:47 |
| mordred | I just tried to give an overview of things to a person on friday - it got ... complex ... quickly | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | mordred has been trying to get companies to dedicate some fte to us... | 19:47 |
| mordred | which has actually gotten really good response | 19:47 |
| jeblair | so we figured that if we can round up a few potential new contribs | 19:47 |
| jeblair | we should try to get them together and have a sort of bootcamp | 19:48 |
| clarkb | ++ | 19:48 |
| jeblair | to help deal with the information overload of becoming a new contrib | 19:48 |
| mordred | yes. it will be helpful | 19:48 |
| clarkb | are you thinking an inperson hackathon type thing? | 19:49 |
| clarkb | or just a this is what we are all doing this week sort of thing? | 19:49 |
| mordred | I think both | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | I've been involved in several onboarding initiatives over in Ubuntu land, so I'm happy to help as I can | 19:49 |
| jeblair | we're looking at getting together in NYC june 27-28 | 19:49 |
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| * mordred ninja-voted for nyc because he's tired of travel, and also has a show the 26th | 19:49 | |
| sdague | heh | 19:50 |
| jeblair | i'm okay with nyc because it's been a while and i'd like to visit. :) | 19:50 |
| * mordred predicts that we'll eat at meatball shop | 19:50 | |
| sdague | mordred: keep me in the loop on that, because I could probably just hop on a train down for a day regardless | 19:50 |
| fungi | i'm okay with nyc because it's not far from me for a change | 19:50 |
| mordred | sdague: awesome. we'd love to have you | 19:50 |
| dprince | mordred: is this something for a couple of infra guys plus new people... or is this a entire infra team meetup? | 19:51 |
| jeblair | yes, and pleia2, we'd love help figuring out how to do this. :) | 19:51 |
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| pleia2 | (and I can support online or in person - mordred just let me know) | 19:52 |
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| pleia2 | I've done plenty of both | 19:52 |
| mordred | dprince: that's a good question. one the one hand, it would be great to have everyone. on the other hand, if the ENTIRE infra team is in a meeting for 2 days, god only knows what will happen to the project :) | 19:54 |
| mordred | jeblair: ^^ thoughts? | 19:54 |
| jeblair | dprince: i think it's not just for new people -- i mean the focus will be on getting new people up to speed, but i'm anticipating there may be a lot of context and orienting that existing contributors could benefit from | 19:54 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ++ especially since as we have grown there has definitely been a lot more partitioning of knowledge | 19:55 |
| * mordred has yet to grok logstash, for instance | 19:55 | |
| * dprince sounds interesting | 19:55 | |
| jeblair | so if the topic of 'helping to understand what's going on in openstack-infra and how to contribute' sounds interesting, you should come regardless of how long you've been involved | 19:55 |
| clarkb | (which isn't a bad thing, but I think there is a lot that other peopel know and understand that I have very little understanding of) | 19:55 |
| * olaph can't wait | 19:56 | |
| jeblair | but i don't think it will be a design-summit/hackathon thing; i think the focus on new contributions is the main thing | 19:56 |
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| mordred | we should probably make a signup thing or something | 19:57 |
| fungi | if some of us show up and get busy fixing things, just plug us into extra projectors and let new/potential contributors see what goes into the sausage | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | sounds really great \o/ | 19:57 |
| mordred | so that I can size location and stuff | 19:57 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah that's probably a good idea. | 19:57 |
| mordred | fungi: ooh. nice | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah, afterall, that's a great way to learn | 19:58 |
| fungi | or scare people away, either way... | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | nah, we do fun things :) | 19:58 |
| jeblair | #action mordred make a signup thingy for bootcamp | 19:58 |
| zaro | i think basic topics are necessary as well. if you've never used gerrit & git you'll be behind the 8 ball. | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | zaro: yeah totally, live Gerrit_Workflow | 19:59 |
| * fungi agrees... i wonder if upstream university would be a good prereq for people unfamiliar with that stuff? | 19:59 | |
| jeblair | fungi: oh good idea, maybe we should also suggest some homework before attendance | 19:59 |
| fungi | i know they've done some 100% online sessions | 19:59 |
| clarkb | or try what the GNOME womens outreach program does and force people to submit a patch beforehand | 20:00 |
| jeblair | though we're certainly not above helping people grok gerrit and git. :) | 20:00 |
| jeblair | okay, i think that's time for us... thanks all! | 20:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 28 20:00:37 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-05-28-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | thanks jeblair | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-05-28-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-05-28-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | markmc, jd__, markwash, russellb, shardy, gabrielhurley, markmcclain: around ? | 21:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | jgriffith is excused, anyone around to represent cinder ? Thingee ? DuncanT_ ? | 21:00 |
| markmcclain1 | o/ | 21:00 |
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| thingee | o/ | 21:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:00 |
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| devananda | \o | 21:01 |
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| DuncanT_ | O/ | 21:01 |
| markmc | yo | 21:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:01 |
| hub_cap | hai | 21:01 |
| ttx | I think we ahve everyone but Russell | 21:01 |
| markwash_ | \/o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| russellb | hey | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 28 21:01:59 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| russellb | sorry | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
| ttx | We should be cutting milestone-proposed branches for havana-1 at the end of the day | 21:02 |
| ttx | Let's see how close we are and refine h1-critical bug lists, if any. | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #topic General stuff | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General stuff (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:02 | |
| ttx | #info The "I" release naming poll started today | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/~openstack/+poll/i-release-naming | 21:02 |
| ttx | annegentle, jeblair/mordred, sdague/davidkranz: news from Docs/Infra/QA teams ? | 21:02 |
| * annegentle thinks | 21:03 | |
| annegentle | I've been sending to the mailing list as needed, so those are my updates. | 21:03 |
| jeblair | nak, thanks | 21:03 |
| sdague | ttx: nothing earth shattering | 21:03 |
| ttx | ok then | 21:04 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:04 |
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| ttx | markmc: hi! | 21:04 |
| markmc | hey | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:04 |
| markmc | so, I've bumped the two unfinished bps to havana-2 | 21:04 |
| markmc | they're big changes and haven't had reviews | 21:04 |
| markmc | sad face | 21:04 |
| markmc | apart from that, the big issue is this oslo.config thing | 21:04 |
| ttx | could you summarize for people not following at home ? | 21:05 |
| markmc | quantum requires latest oslo.config, but we don't have the infrastructure in place to use | 21:05 |
| markmc | we don't publish dev versions of oslo.config to pypi | 21:05 |
| markmc | so we attempt to put URLs in pip-requires to express the dependency | 21:05 |
| markmc | but, right now, we're using the >= information | 21:05 |
| markmc | so if you have old oslo.config installed, pip doesn't upgrade | 21:05 |
| markmc | to fix that, we need to get a change into pbr | 21:05 |
| markmc | we may also add trunk oslo.config to devstack | 21:06 |
| markmc | we may also consider publishing dev versions of oslo.config to our pypi mirror | 21:06 |
| markmc | and not use urls in pip-requires | 21:06 |
| markmc | but ... | 21:06 |
| markmc | that's too many ifs, buts and maybes for havana-1 | 21:06 |
| markmc | so | 21:06 |
| ttx | You suggested reverting the quantum bump for h1 while we sort it out | 21:06 |
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| markmc | https://review.openstack.org/30794 reverts quantum's dep on oslo.config 1.2.0 | 21:06 |
| ttx | markmcclain1: would that fly with you ? | 21:07 |
| markmcclain1 | there's a bit of collateral damage if we revert only that commit | 21:07 |
| ttx | markmc: see comment just posted on your patch | 21:08 |
| markmc | heh | 21:08 |
| markmc | kyle asks me to revert commit b8b2c4e | 21:08 |
| markmc | the commit message says | 21:08 |
| markmc | "This reverts commit b8b2c4e ..." | 21:09 |
| * markmc will reply :) | 21:09 | |
| markmc | markmcclain1, what collateral damage exactly? | 21:09 |
| * ttx thinks reverting is probably the best for H1, if that works for the other markmc | 21:09 | |
| markmc | well, the alternative is quantum is broken in h-1 | 21:09 |
| ttx | markmc: alternatively we could revert it on milestone-proposed only. | 21:10 |
| markmc | that's true | 21:10 |
| markmc | I'm fine with that | 21:10 |
| markmc | well | 21:10 |
| markmc | trunk shouldn't be broken | 21:10 |
| markmcclain1 | I'd go along with that | 21:10 |
| ttx | markmc: depends if fixing the mess is easier with the patch in or with the patch out. | 21:11 |
| markmc | we should have reverted it the day we found about this, really | 21:11 |
| markmc | the revert is pretty straightforward | 21:11 |
| markmc | and really does nothing beneficial to users | 21:11 |
| ttx | markmc: if master is broken with it, then i'd rather revert there. | 21:11 |
| markmc | ttx, yes, it's broken on master | 21:11 |
| ttx | markmcclain1: what collateral damage ? | 21:12 |
| ttx | hmm, don't want to spend the whole meeting on that issue, so let's move on and revisit when it's quantum time | 21:13 |
| ttx | markmc: I'll cut the MP branch "at the end of the day" (tomorrow morning), unless you raise a big red flag | 21:13 |
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| ttx | markmc: anything else you wanted to raise ? | 21:14 |
| markmc | nah, that's it | 21:14 |
| ttx | Questions about Oslo ? | 21:14 |
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| ttx | (that should give markmcclain1 a bit of time to consider the option) | 21:14 |
| markmcclain1 | other commits in the pipeline | 21:14 |
| markmcclain1 | *proposals | 21:14 |
| markmcclain1 | might make sense to apply this just before cutting H1 so we won't require any last minute disruptions | 21:14 |
| markmcclain1 | I can build a list and we can coordinate | 21:14 |
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| ttx | markmcclain1: before cutting the branch, you mean. | 21:15 |
| ttx | let's come back to it during the quantum topic | 21:15 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:15 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 21:15 |
| ttx | dolphm: o/ | 21:15 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:15 |
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| ttx | dolphm: will cut the MP branch at the end of the day, unless you tell me not to | 21:16 |
| markmcclain1 | ttx: yep | 21:16 |
| dolphm | ready, afaik | 21:16 |
| ttx | dolphm: All those deferrals end up building a rather large H2 milestone :) | 21:16 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/havana-2 | 21:16 |
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| dolphm | yeah, some have good progress against them already | 21:16 |
| ttx | index-token-expiry and store-quota-data don't have an assignee, any idea who will work on that ? | 21:16 |
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| dolphm | store-quota-data - no | 21:17 |
| dolphm | index-token-expiry should actually have an assignee, i'll fix that (it's in progress) | 21:17 |
| ttx | ok, we'll refine next week | 21:17 |
| ttx | dolphm: Anything more about Keystone ? | 21:17 |
| ttx | oh. bug | 21:17 |
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| dolphm | we're excited about bp rpc-api-review :) | 21:18 |
| dolphm | (in oslo) | 21:18 |
| dolphm | and piling up bp's behind it :P | 21:18 |
| dolphm | that's all! | 21:18 |
| ttx | Questions anyone ? | 21:18 |
| ttx | #topic Ceilometer status | 21:18 |
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| ttx | jd__: hey | 21:18 |
| jd__ | o/ | 21:18 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:18 |
| ttx | hbase-metadata-query: looks almost there, any chance you can get it in before the end of the day ? | 21:19 |
| jd__ | I hoped so :( | 21:19 |
| ttx | jd__: how much more time do you need ? | 21:19 |
| jd__ | I already asked for reviews, it only requires one pair of eyes | 21:19 |
| jd__ | ttx: I guess 24h top | 21:19 |
| jd__ | shouldn't be long at this stage | 21:19 |
| ttx | I'd like to cut it before tomorrow afternoon, european time | 21:20 |
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| jd__ | ttx: fair enough, I'll harass some people | 21:20 |
| ttx | I'll ping you tomorrow moening and we'll see how far we are | 21:20 |
| jd__ | ack | 21:20 |
| ttx | #info Ceilometer MP cut delayed to tomorrow | 21:21 |
| ttx | jd__: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:21 |
| jd__ | nop | 21:21 |
| ttx | Questions on Ceilometer ? | 21:21 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | o/ | 21:22 |
| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:22 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.8.1 | 21:22 |
| ttx | notmyname: I heard you were getting closer... quick update on 1.8.1 progress ? | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | we've got a swift meeting tomorrow. I want to cut a new release after the global clusters patches land. we'll be talking about that at the meeting tomorrow | 21:23 |
| notmyname | otherwise, good progress on other fronts (eg LFS and threadpools and API discussions) | 21:23 |
| ttx | notmyname: Sounds good. Anything else you wanted to raise ? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | nothing comes to mind | 21:24 |
| ttx | Questions about Swift ? | 21:24 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:24 |
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| ttx | markwash: o/ | 21:24 |
| markwash | ahoy | 21:24 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:24 |
| ttx | All set from blueprints perspective, will cut branch at the end of the day | 21:25 |
| ttx | On the bugs side, anything critical that you'd like backported to the milestone-proposed branch if it doesn't make it to master today ? | 21:25 |
| markwash | good good | 21:25 |
| ttx | Or should I just push back to havana-2 the stuff that is still open by EOD ? | 21:25 |
| markwash | just push back | 21:25 |
| ttx | OK. Looks like you're also set for a busy H2 milestone :) | 21:26 |
| ttx | markwash: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:26 |
| markwash | Just thanks for the great glance team meetings we've been having, all the eager participants | 21:26 |
| markwash | that's it from me | 21:26 |
| ttx | markwash: now I need to check the logs to detect if it's ironic or not | 21:27 |
| ttx | Questions on Glance ? | 21:27 |
| markwash | ttx: lol! not ironic :-) | 21:27 |
| ttx | some people will soon realize picking common adjectives for their project name results in undesired highlights. | 21:27 |
| ttx | #topic Quantum status | 21:28 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: hi again! | 21:28 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:28 |
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| markmcclain1 | hi | 21:28 |
| ttx | markmcclain1: let's see the blueprints you have left | 21:28 |
| ttx | cisco-plugin-n1k-support; couldn't find review | 21:29 |
| ttx | defer ? | 21:29 |
| markmcclain1 | yeah.. sorry missed that one when cleaning | 21:29 |
| ttx | l3-ext-gw-modes: looks relatively close with reviews proposed @ https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/quantum+branch:master+topic:bp/l3-ext-gw-modes,n,z | 21:29 |
| markmcclain1 | yeah.. I expect it to merge | 21:30 |
| ttx | multi-vendor-support-for-lbaas-step0: looks only partially implemented.... defer ? | 21:30 |
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| markmcclain1 | there are two versions of it | 21:30 |
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| ttx | markmcclain1: can still make it today/early tomorrow ? | 21:31 |
| markmcclain1 | so not yet.. the smaller one may merge | 21:31 |
| ttx | ok | 21:31 |
| ttx | modular-l2: looks relatively close, could make it with a boost in reviews at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20105/ | 21:31 |
| markmcclain1 | yeah.. we've got two reviewers to look at it | 21:31 |
| ttx | vxlan-linuxbridge: abandoned review apparently ? | 21:31 |
| markmcclain1 | yeah.. sorry missed both of the good progress ones | 21:32 |
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| ttx | nvp-test-coverage: looks almost there at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29822/ | 21:32 |
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| ttx | markmcclain1: how do you want to proceed ? Wait for you to get up tomorrow before I cut ? | 21:33 |
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| ttx | (unless it's all set when I get up ?) | 21:33 |
| markmcclain1 | I'm actually +1 of you right now | 21:33 |
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| markmcclain1 | we can coordinate in the morning | 21:33 |
| ttx | ok | 21:33 |
| ttx | #info Quantum cut delayed tomorrow morning | 21:34 |
| ttx | Looking at bugs now... anything critical in that list or can I just defer all to H2 if they don't make it today ? | 21:34 |
| ttx | (or tomorrow morning) | 21:34 |
| markmcclain1 | nothing critical that we're waiting on | 21:34 |
| markmc | I've marked the oslo.config thing as critical and put it on the milestone :) | 21:34 |
| * markmcclain1 reloads | 21:35 | |
| markmcclain1 | after the meeting I'll see if we can markmc's patch in without disrupting too much | 21:35 |
| markmcclain1 | otherwise we can merge it last | 21:35 |
| markmcclain1 | before the cut | 21:36 |
| ttx | markmcclain1: worst case scenario we'll coordinate it tomorrow morning | 21:36 |
| markmc | ah, you're worried about merge conflicts? | 21:36 |
| ttx | some benefits in being in the same TZ | 21:36 |
| markmc | as opposed to patches in the pipeline which require latest oslo.config ? | 21:36 |
| markmcclain1 | markmc: a little of both | 21:36 |
| markmc | (e.g. the queued "common DB" patch for quantum requires latest oslo.config) | 21:36 |
| ttx | markmc: "coordinate toomorrow if not merged today" works for you ? | 21:37 |
| markmc | sure | 21:37 |
| ttx | markmcclain: anything you wanted to raise ? | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain1 | I don't have anything else | 21:37 |
| ttx | Questions on Quantum ? | 21:37 |
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| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:38 |
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| thingee | o/ | 21:38 |
| ttx | thingee: o/ | 21:38 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:38 |
| ttx | pass-ratelimit-info-to-nova probably needs a bit more discussion, I propose we defer it to h2 | 21:38 |
| thingee | yes, there's more discussion required than we thought | 21:38 |
| ttx | ok, pushing | 21:38 |
| ttx | On the bugs side I'll assume none of them is milestone-critical and push them to H2 if they don't make it today. | 21:39 |
| ttx | let me know if you see a problem with that | 21:39 |
| thingee | yes, three of them I can get to land today. the rest are non-critical or driver related. I'll try to get a hold of maintainers today | 21:39 |
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| ttx | thingee: worst case scenario we'll just backport the fix to milestone-proposed after the branch cut | 21:40 |
| thingee | ttx: sounds good | 21:40 |
| ttx | thingee: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:40 |
| thingee | nope | 21:40 |
| thingee | oh | 21:40 |
| ttx | Questions on Cinder ? | 21:40 |
| ttx | thingee: go ahead | 21:40 |
| thingee | we have a bug fix day on thursday...that's when most I'm guessing were expect to get stuff done. | 21:40 |
| ttx | cool, thanks for the mention | 21:41 |
| thingee | that's all | 21:41 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:41 |
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| ttx | russellb: hey | 21:41 |
| russellb | hey | 21:41 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:41 |
| ttx | Oooh. | 21:42 |
| russellb | heh | 21:42 |
| russellb | beginning of this meeting i clean up a bit, heh | 21:42 |
| ttx | sometimes I wonder why I prepare the meeting in the morning when the carpet is removed under me at meeting time | 21:42 |
| russellb | sorry.. | 21:42 |
| russellb | i pushed out all blueprints not done because they aren't that close, and none are critical | 21:42 |
| russellb | bug wise, i have one i'd like to block on | 21:42 |
| russellb | the rest can be punted if they don't make it | 21:42 |
| ttx | if you think a few more hours can get a few more over the edge, i'm fine with waiting a bit | 21:43 |
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| russellb | ok, yeah, we need time to make sure a major feature isn't totally busted | 21:43 |
| ttx | use-oslo-services is marked implemented but seems to have a few reviews in progress: | 21:43 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30366/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30367/ | 21:43 |
| ttx | not really sure what to think of it | 21:44 |
| russellb | huh | 21:44 |
| russellb | IMO, it's done, this is sort of ... separate | 21:44 |
| russellb | should update this to a new blueprint | 21:44 |
| russellb | i'll follow up with belliot | 21:44 |
| ttx | ok | 21:44 |
| ttx | which one is the H1-critical bug ? | 21:44 |
| ttx | bug 1181991 ? | 21:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1181991 in nova "config drive is broken by one commit" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1181991 | 21:44 |
| russellb | that one | 21:45 |
| russellb | just saw it ... | 21:45 |
| ttx | ok, will push back the others tomorrow moening and keep that one on th backport list | 21:45 |
| russellb | that works for me | 21:45 |
| ttx | russellb: Unless you raise a flag, I'll just cut the MP branch for H1 at the end of the day. | 21:45 |
| ttx | (i.e. my tomorrow morning) | 21:46 |
| russellb | ttx: sounds good, and i'll chase this bug and can get it backported | 21:46 |
| * russellb nods | 21:46 | |
| ttx | russellb: anything else you wanted to mention ? | 21:46 |
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| russellb | nope, not about nova specifically ... | 21:46 |
| russellb | i had a thing today where i wanted to know how well we were keeping up with review requests | 21:46 |
| russellb | i started a ML thread, and ended up scripting the data I wanted | 21:46 |
| russellb | so I can tell you the average wait time for waiting reviews in a project | 21:47 |
| russellb | may be useful to others in the meeting | 21:47 |
| ttx | cool | 21:47 |
| russellb | see ML. | 21:47 |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:47 |
| ttx | #topic Heat status | 21:48 |
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| ttx | shardy: o/ | 21:48 |
| shardy | o/ | 21:48 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:48 |
| ttx | All set I see | 21:48 |
| ttx | deferred concurrent-resource-scheduling ? | 21:48 |
| shardy | yup I think so | 21:48 |
| ttx | shardy: you OK with me cutting the milestone-proposed branch at the end of the day ? | 21:49 |
| shardy | yep, few more patches pending | 21:49 |
| shardy | yes, sounds good | 21:49 |
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| ttx | shardy: anything else you want to raise ? | 21:49 |
| shardy | not atm, no | 21:50 |
| ttx | Questions about Heat ? | 21:50 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:51 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: o/ | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:51 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | all green | 21:51 |
| ttx | hehe, going last also has its benefits | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | actually i had fixed them all before 2 PM today | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | rare, I know | 21:51 |
| ttx | OK, will cut branch in ~10 hours unless you tell me not to. | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds good to me | 21:52 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: anything you wanted to mention ? | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | I need to pare down the H2 blueprints list, but we'll look at that next week | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | otherwise no | 21:52 |
| ttx | yes, I had a few comments about that, but it's been a long day and it can wait next week | 21:52 |
| ttx | Overall H2 plans are a bit optimistic, but I'm not sure how to fix that | 21:53 |
| ttx | Questions on Horizon ? | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll clean it up | 21:54 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:54 |
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| ttx | hub_cap, devananda: around? | 21:54 |
| devananda | ttx: here | 21:54 |
| hub_cap | o7 | 21:54 |
| devananda | ironic won't have anything ready for h1 | 21:54 |
| ttx | questions, progress reports? | 21:54 |
| devananda | still getting everything off the ground | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | https://launchpad.net/reddwarf/+milestone/havana-1 | 21:55 |
| ttx | on reddwarf side we'd like to complete renaming before doing h1 | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | makes sense to me | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | still havent heard anything back | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | but we picked a top 3 to give to the lawyergods | 21:55 |
| hub_cap | 1) cask, 2) trove, 3) cellar | 21:55 |
| ttx | hub_cap: /me prays | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | heh ya | 21:56 |
| ttx | We haven'"t been very lucky with the naming gods recently | 21:56 |
| hub_cap | ya its hard... should call marty mcfly to help w it | 21:56 |
| ttx | Any question ? | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | nosah. thx ttx | 21:57 |
| hub_cap | i will have some i suspect after i get a realboy name | 21:57 |
| ttx | well, you know where to find me | 21:57 |
| adam_g | While there's time, I'd like to get a note added to the minutes re: stable/grizzly branch freeze this week, if possible | 21:58 |
| hub_cap | heart ttx | 21:58 |
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| ttx | adam_g: sure! Note that for greater exposure it's good to mention those in the "general stuff" topic at start of meeting | 21:58 |
| ttx | since by now everyone is gone. | 21:59 |
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| adam_g | We're planning on freezing stable/grizzly this Fri May 30th in preparation for 2013.1.2 to be released Fri June 6th. current proposed patches can be found at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:stable/grizzly,n,z | 21:59 |
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| adam_g | ttx, ack, realize that now :) | 21:59 |
| ttx | adam_g: #info stable/grizzly freeze this Fri May 30th in preparation for 2013.1.2 to be released Fri June 6th | 21:59 |
| ttx | arrh | 21:59 |
| ttx | #info stable/grizzly freeze this Fri May 30th in preparation for 2013.1.2 to be released Fri June 6th | 21:59 |
| ttx | adam_g: you should fire a -dev email to be sure | 22:00 |
| adam_g | ttx, for sure. drafting now. thanks | 22:00 |
| ttx | ok, that ends up our meeting, time for horizon folks | 22:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 28 22:00:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-05-28-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-05-28-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-05-28-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 28 22:01:25 2013 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic overview | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | Hello folks | 22:01 |
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| lcheng | hey | 22:01 |
| david-lyle | hello | 22:02 |
| jpich | hey | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | The H1 milestone will be cut roughly 10 hours from now. I'd consider things pretty much locked down for H1 now. | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | All-in-all I believe 3 out of 11 blueprints for H1 made it on time. | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | Per-project flavors, login with domains, and Heat integration being the main ones. | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | whoops, 8 out of 11 made it on time | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | 3 did not | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | way to start a sentence counting one way and end it counting another way. | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 22:04 |
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| gabrielhurley | Process-wise, once the milestone-proposed branch is cut then any critical bugs we find in the next couple days has to be specifically backported to that branch | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | fixes should land in master first, as usual | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | Also, once that branch is cut then anything for H2 is fair game | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | before we take a look at specific blueprints I want to generally call out one larger topic | 22:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | There are three fairly interesting integration efforts going on which have code available to check out... | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | Realtime/socket.io communication proof-of-concept: https://review.openstack.org/30462 https://review.openstack.org/30463 | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | Heat integration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29478/ | 22:07 |
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| gabrielhurley | and ceilometer: https://github.com/yuanotes/horizon/tree/ceilometer | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | I'd like to get lots of eyes and thoughts on those to ensure we're not only getting good code, but getting the right kind of user experience we want too | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | All of these are H2 priorities, for what it's worth. | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | okay, let's talk specific blueprints for a minute | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic blueprints | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | looking at https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-2 | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | we've got way too many blueprints, first off | 22:09 |
| gabrielhurley | priorities are the three large areas mentioned above, and finishing the keystone v3 work | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng: can you give a quick update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/login-domain-support | 22:11 |
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| lcheng | gabrielhurley: it is still blocked by the implementation of keystoneclient v3 auth. | 22:11 |
| lcheng | I am going to take over the implementation of it. | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | that's what I thought. looking like that'll land in H2 keystone/keystoneclient? | 22:12 |
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| lcheng | yes. | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | great | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | the rest of the keystone v3 stuff is coming along great | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | I'd like to keep the momentum there, for sure | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | cody-somerville: what are your thoughts about working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/building-on-openstack-dashboard in H2? | 22:13 |
| lcheng | There not a lot of work left on our side, once that is ready it won't take that long to have our code ready. | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng: yep, I've been checking in occasionally. I just wanted to make sure you were feeling the same way. :-) | 22:13 |
| lcheng | gabrielhurley: we're good. :-) Btw, I registered another bp for keystone v3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/group-role-assignment | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm inclined to push smaller features out of the H2 milestone in the interesting of getting the big stuff done earlier. On the chopping block would be things like availability zones ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/show-zone-for-admin and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/show-zone-for-admin ) and the instance actions extension in nova ( https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/instanc | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng: cool. I'll take a look at that blueprint | 22:17 |
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| lcheng | gabrielhurley: thanks! | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | Does anyone want to argue in favor of the blueprints on the list above, that they really really must be in H2? | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | It's very hard to gauge how much will actually get done in this next milestone when there's an inordinately high number of blueprints and almost each one has a different assignee. | 22:19 |
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| gabrielhurley | but I figure it's better to start with a more conservative list. | 22:19 |
| kspear | it sounded like work was going to happen on that bp soon, but it's hard to say | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | kspear: which BP? | 22:19 |
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| kspear | it's assigned to me, but i actually wanted to take over this one | 22:19 |
| kspear | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/select-zone-when-creating-instance | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | gotcha | 22:19 |
| kspear | gabrielhurley: show-zone-for-admin | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | neither are terribly difficult | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | if you wanna keep 'em in that's cool | 22:20 |
| kspear | can't speak for show-zone-for-admin | 22:20 |
| kspear | but i will have code up for select-zone within a couple of weeks | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | got it | 22:20 |
| gabrielhurley | let's see. I'm definitely inclined to bump the keystone v3 policy/role-based access control stuff since it doesn't even have an assignee and it's a very difficult one: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/rbac | 22:21 |
| jpich | David seems to be assigned? | 22:21 |
| david-lyle | I have that one. | 22:21 |
| gabrielhurley | oh | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | I can't read today | 22:22 |
| david-lyle | might be big enough to slip, but I plan to start on it in H2 | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | got it | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | I will leave it in H2 for now then | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | lemme do this a different way | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | since I'm failing at this so far ;-) | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | does anyone have a blueprint assigned to them that they feel they will not complete in H2? | 22:23 |
| david-lyle | I have https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/centralized-color-palette assigned to me, but it's fallen in my priority list | 22:23 |
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| david-lyle | I'd be happy to free it up for someone else to look at, or keep it on the back-burner | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | sounds good | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | for now I'll leave it assigned to you but bump to H3 | 22:24 |
| david-lyle | ok | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | if anyone else wants to pick it up we can reassign | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | okay. if you refresh on https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/havana-2 we're now down to 17 blueprints, all with assignees, and david-lyle is the only individual with more than 2 blueprints assigned to them. | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | that seems like a good place to start the H2 cycle, I think. Thoughts on what we've got there from anyone else? | 22:27 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll open it up for discussion then... | 22:28 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic open discussion | 22:28 |
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| gabrielhurley | comments, questions and concerns are welcome | 22:29 |
| kspear | looks good to me | 22:29 |
| lcheng | gabrielhurley: Question on https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1166794 | 22:29 |
| kspear | are we going to see quantum security group support soon? | 22:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1166794 in horizon "Project creation fails if the current user is added to it" [High,Confirmed] | 22:29 |
| gabrielhurley | kspear: last I heard it was still pending some work in Quantum, but I think we're getting closer. I'm a little out of the loop on that one. | 22:30 |
| gabrielhurley | lcheng: what's the question? | 22:30 |
| lcheng | gabrielhurley: The token gets revoked whenever a user is added to a project. Same thing happening when a user is added/removed from a group. | 22:30 |
| gabrielhurley | yep. there's about 4 iterations of this bug | 22:31 |
| lcheng | Just wondering what would the fix for this issue, is it dependent on keystone not revoking the unscoped tokens? | 22:31 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm not sure why none of them have been traiged/acknowledged by the keystone team | 22:31 |
| gabrielhurley | I will bother dolphm next week if they're still not triaged on keystone's side | 22:31 |
| gabrielhurley | an email to the -dev mailing list on the topic also wouldn't be a bad idea | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | though the behavior is a breaking change on keystone's end I suspect it's not gonna be something they can easily fix | 22:32 |
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| gabrielhurley | due to the way token ids are generated in terms of hashing the token itself, etc. | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | we may have to work around it on our end | 22:32 |
| gabrielhurley | that's about as much as I've got on that bug right now | 22:33 |
| gabrielhurley | anything else? | 22:34 |
| lcheng | okay, I was hoping that you can get keystone team to fix this. :-) But definitely, we can workaround the issue if needed. | 22:34 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah, we shall see | 22:34 |
| gabrielhurley | okay... I think that's about it for today. great work on H1 everyone, and we'll talk more about H2 next week! | 22:35 |
| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 28 22:35:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-05-28-22.01.html | 22:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-05-28-22.01.txt | 22:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-05-28-22.01.log.html | 22:35 |
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