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sgordon#startmeeting telcowg14:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  2 14:01:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda14:01
sgordon#topic roll call14:01
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sgordon\o/14:01
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adrian-hobanHello14:02
shamailhi14:02
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sgordonhi all14:02
sgordon#topic Product WG Integration14:02
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sgordonso i see shamail is here, we had discussed offline during the week that he had some concerns about disbanding of the working group14:03
shamailyes, thanks for adding this topic to the agenda14:03
sgordon#info Discuss Shamal's concerns about disbanding: Beacon for newcomers to OpenStack from the telco industry, Could help us get OPNFV use-cases in a centralized repository (telco > product > projects) to allow better tracking of overall status, Broader telecommunication use cases than just NFV14:04
shamailIn the last Telco WG meeting it was discussed that this group be disbanded and continue to make progress on relevant topics either directly through Product WG and OPNFV14:04
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shamailI think that is definitely a great approach but, at the same time, I am worried that if there is no "telco" WG in OpenStack then newer telcos/people might not find a good way to engage14:05
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shamailIt isn't readily apparent that "if you are interested in NFV then go participate in PWG or OPNFV" and those folks might not find us and we might not find them14:06
sgordonmy perspective is that newer folks are typically engaging either directly in OPNFV, or in specific projects of interest (neutron, tacker, etc.)14:06
adrian-hobanshamail: I didn't think we were disbanding. I thought we were moving to leverage from the benefits of a larger discussion group that the Product WG brings14:06
adrian-hobansgordon: +114:06
shamailagreed as well sgordon14:07
sgordonthe opnfv folks typically dont see the value of the flow outlined above, which effectively becomes opnfv > telco > product > projects14:07
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sgordonas they are doing requirements doc on the opnfv side in their requirements projects14:07
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adrian-hobanAnd, the chain gets even longer if you think of the ETSI-NFV starting point14:07
shamailThe value I see in that approach is that it makes it easier to get context on requirements for someone who isn't directly involved with OPNFV14:08
sgordonif there is to be "one true place" for requirements to land in openstack it is probably more likely the productwg repository than here14:08
sgordonyeah14:08
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sgordonthe challenge is while i meet people who arent directly involved with opnfv who raise that concern14:08
sgordonthey aren't engaging here either :)14:08
shamailthat's fair14:08
sgordonwe definitely get a big up tick in folks around summits but in between it is fairly lonely in here14:09
sgordon(and at the summits arguably we can merge in with the opnfv BOFs etc)14:09
adrian-hobanI assume we'll have a dedicated place to land Telco items under the Product WG umbrella14:09
shamailHow much effort would it be to keep the "lights on" by even moving to an "email only" type of model for the WG?14:10
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shamailadrian-hoban: kind of... in reality, all user stories in PWG land in the same place but they will be associated with which market(s) orginiated the need14:10
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sgordoni think the challenge there is most of the emails are me summarizing the meetings14:10
shamailso while it won't be a dedicated landing spot, it will be a centralized one with identification of telco/NFV related items14:10
adrian-hobanshamail: ok14:11
sgordonthe reality of it is if we want real work done we need real people to do it14:11
sgordonso atm for example the use case docs are primarily being worked on by calum and myself14:11
shamailYep, and that is already starting to happen through how new people are engaging (as you said... OPNFV or projects)14:11
cloudonagree on lack of engagement but think there's value in this group playing a feeder role to discuss and bash use cases into shape before submitting to PWG14:11
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sgordonadrian-hoban, the other end of that is there is a page in the opnfv wiki i want to be more active in maintaining listing BPs etc (sound familiar?)14:12
shamailcloudon: +114:12
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adrian-hobansgordon: sure does :-)14:12
shamailThe foundation is doing a content push on NFV, I wonder if that would help the participation here?14:12
shamailOf course, we wouldn't know until Jan/Feb14:12
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sgordonunclear, i think in the end we intentionally made the call to action more generic14:14
sgordonas the future of this group was in flux when we were reviewing14:14
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adrian-hobanGetting back to why we started this group. We wanted a place to discuss telco items, to help harmonize on telco specific requests going into the core projects, and to help what at the time was a new use case for OpenStack to be better understood.14:15
cloudonalso, while the OPNFV folks may not see the value of an opnfv > telco > product > projects flow, we do need something to encourage engagement, as what I see at the moment is too much opnfv > projects -> WTF?14:15
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sgordonadrian-hoban, an important aspect of that was at the time OPNFV didn't yet exist14:15
shamailI think basically keeping telco WG alive will require some duplication of work (e.g. list of BPs already exist on OPNFV but could we track them via this team too within the community?)  I see value in this group continuing to exist (even if the activities are less defined) versus not having a telco/NFV WG inside OpenStack itself at all14:15
sgordonchris and others were trying to get it set up but helped us bootstrap this in the meantime14:15
adrian-hobansgordon: Yes, and NFV was relatively new14:15
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sgordonright14:16
sgordonpeople had ideas that eventually became tacker, bgpvpn, etc14:16
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Haideedoes anyone from the PWG attend this WG?14:17
shamailcloudon: +1, I think you summarized it well... we might see requirements and activities based on OPNFV but the OpenStack community doesn't have context without this group14:17
sgordonshamail, without active membership the tracking is still going to fall to a fall number of folks for limited ROI though14:17
shamailHaidee: not on a regular basis... I don't mind attending though.14:17
sgordonthat's why i am looking to focus my efforts on doing it on the opnfv side where there are more active people to share the load14:17
shamailsgordon: makes sense14:18
cloudonSteve, what do you think can be done in opnfv to encourage more interaction with the community full stop, regardless of whether it's telco, product or projects?14:18
sgordoni do understand the desire to keep the lights on, but i feel like we've been doing that for a while14:19
sgordona number of core folks have dropped in the last month or so14:19
sgordonwhat's left is basically those who are here14:19
shamailUnderstoof14:19
shamailUnderstood*14:19
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sgordoncloudon, that is a broader challenge - i think the approach taken is still very much one of reviewing on the opnfv side and then going directly to blueprints14:20
sgordonand for the members with active technical contributors on both sides, which there are many of, this is working pretty well14:20
shamailShould I try to schedule something with Chris and Heather on this topic (encouraging OPNFV interaction with OpenStack community)?14:20
sgordonlevel of success does vary project by project though14:20
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sgordonshamail, it is probably worth revisiting14:21
shamailOkay14:21
sgordoni know that the folks from the openstack foundation who were at opnfv summit did have some conversations along these lines14:21
sgordonand we have had openstack community members brief the technical steering committee in the past14:22
shamailnice14:22
sgordonwhat is required is two way engagement14:22
shamailI also think the point cloudon raised about " value in this group playing a feeder role to discuss and bash use cases into shape" is valid too14:23
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sgordonit is, but the opnfv requirements projects see themselves as same14:23
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sgordonwhich is where some of the early contributions have gone14:23
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adrian-hobansgordon: Agreed, and where it has worked best is when the relevant OpenStack community was engaged early in BP related discussions14:24
shamailAlright, i'll try to set something up with the OPNFV folks to discuss two-way engagement.14:24
shamailUnless if you want to do that sgordon (might be easier for you)?14:24
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sgordonshamail, i am happy for you to set it up - as above i am fairly happy at this point to actively do my part14:25
shamailThanks!14:25
shamailI'll report back to this team once I am able to make contact.14:26
sgordon#action shamail to set up discussion with OPNFV folks to discuss engagement model14:27
sgordon#topic Product WG Integration - Complex Instance Placement Updates14:28
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sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251442/14:28
sgordoncloudon, not sure if you had seen it but arkady had some feedback on the above update14:28
cloudonYup, just saw that today and have added some comments...14:28
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cloudon...think I misread the opening para when I first reviewed - have suggested some alternative text14:29
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sgordonok14:30
sgordoni guess that is on me to try update then14:30
sgordonwhat about wrt the second para?14:30
sgordon#action sgordon to update complex instance placement use case integrating feedback14:30
cloudonthink my suggested text would cover that but will look again14:31
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adrian-hobancloudon: I'll try to get some comments in today too14:32
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sgordonok14:33
sgordonthe others i will get to after this one is merged14:33
sgordon(sec segregation, sbc)14:33
sgordon#topic other business14:33
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sgordonany other business?14:34
gjayaveluI see we have telcowg-usecases-core group, would it be better to copy this group in BP/spec, patches review to notify and get attention from this group?14:35
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gjayaveluthat way, we have engagement at individual BPs14:35
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sgordonwhich bp/spec are you referring to?14:35
sgordonfor the instance placement one i did actually send out an email i believe14:36
gjayaveluin general all, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251442/ too14:36
gjayaveluoh ok14:36
gjayaveluI'm new to the group, what is the best way you suggest to track these bps?14:37
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sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-user-stories+status:open,n,z14:37
sgordon#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/telcowg-usecases+status:open,n,z14:37
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sgordonare the two dashboards to follow14:37
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gjayaveluok14:38
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gjayavelui put a spec for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237805/, which is part of Telco requirement from vmware14:40
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gjayaveluthis is along the lines of placement14:41
sgordonright, so it looks like it is awaiting reviews from the project team itself (in this case nova)14:41
sgordonas their specs deadline is fast approaching (tomorrow I believe?) they are doing their best to cut through the review backlog14:41
sgordonbut invariably not everything will make it14:42
gjayaveluyes, how would we track such specs under Telco?14:42
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sgordonit depends on its origins, as it doesn't appear to be driven by a submitted use case we don't really have anything to track it from14:43
sgordonit does seem like it relates to the complex instance placement proposal but wasnt an identified gap as yet14:43
sgordonprobably would need to be added14:43
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gjayaveluI'm kinda relating back to the discussion earlier about keeping or disbanding the group..14:45
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sgordon#link https://wiki.opnfv.org/community/openstack14:46
sgordonthat is where the opnfv driven BPs are linked from14:46
sgordonbut again that is where they have gone through the requirement documentation phase in one of the requirements projects14:46
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gjayaveluoh ok..may be it was my lack of understanding about the opnfv- openstack relation.14:47
gjayaveluas a newbie i never guessed this workflow.14:48
sgordonboth in opnfv and here a lot of the work is around documenting the use cases14:48
sgordonwhich are in turn used to identify gaps/requirements14:48
sgordonwhich finally are used as the basis for specs/blueprints14:48
sgordonso the tracking is effectively by use case14:48
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shamailI have to drop off, take care everyone.  o/14:49
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gjayaveluthe point i'm trying to make is that, how could new contributors (openstack) be directed with this process? if we maintain this wg, can others get enlightened like what i learned today :)14:50
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sgordoni believe they would land in opnfv or the product wg14:51
sgordonbasically from my side it takes a non-negligible amount of time to "keep the lights on" as requested earlier14:52
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sgordondoing that in the hope that a new person turns up every now and again seems pretty inefficient14:52
gjayaveluok14:52
sgordonversus coalescing into those other groups where there are more people to spread the load14:53
gjayaveluok14:53
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sgordonalright thanks all for the discussion regardless14:54
sgordonwe will continue to reconvene weekly for now while we sort out moving the work items across14:55
sgordon#endmeeting14:55
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Dec  2 14:55:07 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:55
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cloudonbye all14:55
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gjayaveluthanks! bye14:55
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Swamihi15:00
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Swamihaleyb: ping15:00
haleyb#startmeeting neutron_dvr15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  2 15:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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haleyb#chair Swami15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: Swami haleyb15:00
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haleyb#topic Announcements15:01
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haleybhi everyone, hope you had a good turkey day15:01
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Swamiwent fine15:02
haleybi think my only announcement is that there are some new issues that might be DVR-related15:02
Swamiit was a very calm week before the storm.15:02
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regXboido we know if M-1 got cut yet?15:02
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obondarevregXboi: I doubt so15:03
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obondarevregXboi: given state os gates..15:03
obondarevof*15:03
regXboiobondarev: ack15:03
haleybregXboi: i don't see a mitaka tag15:03
Swamithe gate seems to be unhappy15:03
* regXboi resonates with the gate15:04
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haleyb#topic Bugs15:04
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Swamias haleyb mentioned there are two new bugs filed against dvr15:05
haleybI tried to update the agenda with the new ones, looks like 4 of them15:05
SwamiThese are related to the functional test failures in the gate15:05
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/152181515:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1521815 in neutron "DVR functional tests failing intermittently" [High,New]15:05
SwamiI am still seeing the functional tests are instable. But it is not only the dvr tests that are failing but there are other tests as well.15:06
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SwamiI don't think we have root caused the issue with these failures.15:06
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haleybI believe the footprint is a missing router namespace15:07
Swamiamuller mentioned yesterday that he was seeing that some of the functional tests for dvr was taking long time to complete.15:07
Swamihaleyb: missing router namespace seems to me like a noise, because I have seen tests passing even with that message.15:08
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regXboiWell, I'd be bothered by the fact that restarted agent tests are taking over an hour each15:08
regXboieven if they pass15:08
regXboisee http://logs.openstack.org/18/248418/3/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional/8a6dfcf/console.html#_2015-12-01_22_38_48_05015:09
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SwamiregXboi: yes that is what amuller mentioned.15:09
regXboiSwami: not quite15:09
regXboiI'm saying that even if the restarted agent test passes, it is still taking over an hour15:09
regXboithat link I gave shows a test fail after 4000+ seconds15:10
regXboibut another restart test passes after 5000+ seconds15:10
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SwamiThere was another bug related to fip namespace cleanup in functional test.15:11
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/152182015:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1521820 in neutron "Some DVR functional tests leak the FIP namespace" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Assaf Muller (amuller)15:12
SwamiThere was a patch that amuller pushed in for this fix last night.15:12
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252139/15:12
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SwamiThe next bug in the list is15:13
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/152184615:13
openstackLaunchpad bug 1521846 in neutron "Metering not configured for all-in-one DVR job, failing tests" [High,New]15:13
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SwamiBased on the information in the bug it seems that metering is not configured for single node job.15:14
obondarevregression?15:14
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SwamiDoes anyone know what triggered this failure, because how it was passing and why suddenly it failed.15:14
haleybnote in bug mentions https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243949/15:14
regXboiI'm thinking all of these are regressions15:14
Swamiobondarev: might be regression.15:14
SwamiregXboi: Yes I agree15:15
SwamiWe still need to figure out the patch that caused this regression.15:15
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regXboiI'm seeing if logstash can give some hints as to when this started15:16
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regXboibecause the DVR jobs have also gone off to insanity15:16
SwamiIt kind of started yesterday.15:16
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haleybthat infra change merged yesterday morning15:17
Swamihaleyb: which infra change.15:17
haleybhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/243949/15:17
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regXboiso interestingly15:18
regXboiit looks like the functional-py34 job is not showing the same delay signature on the failing tests15:18
Swamihaleyb: thanks for the link15:18
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SwamiregXboi: is it all passing 'functional-py34'15:19
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obondarevregXboi: functional-py34 has been broken for a long time I think15:19
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regXboiSwami: no, but when it fails, the test fails in less than 10 seconds15:19
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regXboias opposed to taking over an hour15:19
regXboiI'm looking specifically at failures with test_dvr_router_lifecycle_ha_with_snat_with_fips15:20
regXboithe long signature failures started at 18:31:24 UTC yesterday15:20
SwamiregXboi: thanks for the information.15:21
SwamiI think we need to still find out the patch that caused this regression.15:22
regXboiwe had a failure at 16:51:48 but it showed a short time stamp15:22
SwamiAny other thoughts or information that you have to share related to this bug.15:22
regXboiso now we need to see what merged between those two stamps15:22
SwamiregXboi: the number of patches that got merged into neutron is pretty less between those time.15:23
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SwamiregXboi: but there might be other sub-project which might have triggered like the 'infra' etc.,15:23
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carl_baldwinregXboi: It would have to have merged a while before the failure, right?15:23
regXboiSwami: if nothing there broke it, then we go look at other things15:23
regXboicarl_baldwin: I'm not sure I agree15:24
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regXboibut I do have a test15:24
regXboithe failure at 16:51:48 was my patch15:24
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regXboilet me rebase it to master and retest locallly15:24
SwamiregXboi: what was that patch15:24
carl_baldwinregXboi: It has to merge (successful test run) then a new job has to be started that includes it.  Then, that job needs time to fail.15:24
regXboicarl_baldwin - ok, I see your point15:25
regXboiSwami: the patch that had a short failure was 251502 (rev 2)15:25
haleybLooking at the gate code, that patch I mentioned will have set OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES now, which will skip some of the DVR setup code in devstack-vm-gate.sh15:25
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haleybhttps://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/devstack-vm-gate.sh#L19015:26
Swamihaleyb: thanks for the information.15:26
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haleybDown on L210 there's additional neutron setup, which might be skipped now?15:27
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Swamican we revert that infra patch and see if the symptom goes away15:27
Swamior should we fix the infra again to address the "OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES"15:28
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regXboiSwami, haleyb: how about we run a test where those additive services aren't there?15:28
regXboilocally I mean15:28
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haleybI have no idea what is right, seems a tangled mess15:28
SwamiregXboi: can you run it locally and confirm15:29
regXboiSwami: am trying now15:29
SwamiregXboi: thanks15:29
carl_baldwinSwami: A revert in gerrit won't do.  It is in the project-config repo and doesn't run our tests.15:29
haleybis yamamoto online?15:30
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obondarevcarl_baldwin: can we add a noop patch in neutron depending on the revert?15:30
haleybcarl_baldwin: that seems broken in itself15:30
Swamihaleyb: I don't see him15:30
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carl_baldwinobondarev: That is an idea.15:30
carl_baldwinIn theory, that should work.15:30
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carl_baldwinregXboi: Do you have a logstack query for these failures?15:31
regXboicarl_baldwin: hold on a sec15:31
regXboihttp://logstash.openstack.org/#dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=message:%5C%22neutron.tests.functional.agent.l3.test_dvr_router.TestDvrRouter.test_dvr_router_lifecycle_ha_with_snat_with_fips%5C%22%20AND%20message:%5C%22FAILED%5C%22%20AND%20build_name:%20%5C%22gate-neutron-dsvm-functional%5C%2215:32
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regXboithat had 16 failures in the last 7 days, most starting at the time stamp I gave earlier15:32
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* regXboi watches tox run15:33
regXboiok, I just restacked a node to not run q-agt,q-l3,etc15:34
regXboiand the functional tests passed locally15:34
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regXboiso I don't think that's the culprit15:34
regXboinote: I hadn't rebased to master15:34
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regXboioh crap15:35
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Swamihi15:39
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carl_baldwinregXboi: I don't see any rhyme or reason in the failures in that logstash yet.15:40
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Swami#endmeeting15:46
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Dec  2 15:46:52 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:46
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-12-02-15.00.html15:46
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-12-02-15.00.txt15:46
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-12-02-15.00.log.html15:46
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SwamiIt seems no one was able to communicate, so I am ending this meeting. We can chat in IRC if anything is required.15:47
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate16:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  2 16:59:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:59
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mugsie#topic Roll Call16:59
mugsiewhos here?16:59
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mugsieo/17:00
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timsimo/17:00
mugsie#chair timsim17:00
openstackCurrent chairs: mugsie timsim17:00
mugsie(I am in a meeting, so may be distracted)17:01
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timsimKiall ekarlso federico3 elarson pglass rsyed_away james_li jmcbride17:01
elarsono/17:01
mugsie#Action Items from last week17:02
mugsie#topic Action Items from last week17:02
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mugsie-_-17:02
mugsieKiall investiagte 150560517:02
mugsieKiall bp e6adbb917:02
mugsieHe is presentign17:02
mugsieso I will push17:02
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mugsie#action Kiall investiagte 150560517:03
mugsie#action Kiall bp e6adbb917:03
mugsietimsim bp ed2861a to L + K17:03
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mugsietimsim: ?17:03
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timsimdone17:03
mugsie#topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring)#17:04
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timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/151635017:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1516350 in Designate "500 Internal Server Error while trying to update NS Pool" [Undecided,New]17:04
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timsimLooks like a bug, probably needs verification17:04
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mugsienot17:05
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mugsiewas missing the priority fiedl in the API requst17:05
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timsimIt shouldn't 500 though.17:05
mugsieno17:05
mugsiedamn17:05
mugsievalid17:05
mugsieH - M17:06
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mugsieM2 *17:06
timsimk17:06
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/151635517:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1516355 in Designate ""RecordSet not found" while trying to update NS Pool" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to megha (tmegha247)17:06
timsimCould have sworn we fixed this.17:06
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mugsieyeah, I think so17:07
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mugsiemark it as a duplicate17:07
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timsimk, I'll find the old bug17:07
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/151773917:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1517739 in Designate "Designate services failed to start due to 'PortOpt' attribute" [Undecided,New]17:08
mugsieinvalid17:08
timsimIf you had an existing devstack, and didn't update requirements, but updated designate code this would happen. yeah17:08
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/151826617:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1518266 in Designate "Domains is not found in report in admin API" [Undecided,New]17:08
mugsieh, m217:08
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/151945617:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1519456 in Designate "Wrong packaging on openstack-designate + EL7" [Undecided,New]17:08
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timsimWouldn't you install that with pip rather than a package?17:09
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mugsiehum17:10
mugsiethis needs to be filed downstream17:10
mugsieI will do it, assign it to me17:10
elarsonyeah, that sounds like a packaging issue17:10
timsimAlrighty17:10
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/151987217:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1519872 in Designate "Database performance improvement" [Undecided,New]17:11
timsimH M2?17:11
mugsieassign it to federico17:11
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timsimk17:11
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/152052317:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1520523 in Designate "ZoneManager "DeletedDomainsPurgeTasks" failing" [Undecided,New]17:11
mugsieh, m2, assign to me17:12
mugsieI have a patch on the way17:12
timsimcool17:12
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/152063817:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1520638 in Designate "domain serial number mismatch would lead to all subsequent domain operation fail" [Undecided,New]17:12
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mugsieneed to dig in17:13
timsimLooks like Kiall is going back and forth with the reporter17:14
mugsieyeah17:14
timsimI'll leave it as is, it's more of a question it looks like17:14
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/152108017:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1521080 in Designate "replace host name of instance" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Hiroyuki Eguchi (h-eguchi)17:14
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mugsieinvalid17:14
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mugsiewe can only use the data we get from nova17:14
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mugsiethat it?17:15
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/151223717:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1512237 in python-designateclient "'designate server-create' command gives output with incorrect field-value pair." [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Tim Simmons (timsim)17:15
timsimalmost17:15
mugsiemed17:16
mugsiewhenever17:16
timsimlol17:16
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/151264717:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1512647 in python-designateclient "--log-file LOG_FILE option does not work with designate cli commands" [Undecided,New]17:16
mugsieinvlaid17:16
* timsim thinks this is a dup17:16
mugsielog does not do the the think he thinks it does17:17
timsimcool17:17
timsimAlright, that's it :)17:17
mugsie#topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring)17:17
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mugsie#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/480638/17:17
mugsienominate the patches17:18
mugsieI do not see anything17:18
timsim3898da8 Merge "Adds api_export_size attribute to admin  API" to L maybe17:19
mugsieoh, yeah17:19
mugsie++17:19
federico3is HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO a bugfix?17:19
timsim#action timsim to bp 3898da8 to L17:19
timsimbollocks, though I could do that17:20
mugsiefederico3: no, i would nto class it as one17:20
mugsietimsim: yuo can17:20
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mugsieok, any more?17:20
timsimoh duh, it didn't hell at me.17:20
mugsie:D17:20
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mugsie#topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring)17:20
timsims/hell/yell17:20
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mugsiemlavalle:17:20
mlavallehi there17:20
mugsiethe floor is yours :)17:20
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mlavallethe week beofre the holidays I finished coding all the functionality in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/17:21
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mlavallethat includes support for floating-ips as demoed in Tokyo, plus port on provider networks17:22
mugsiesweet17:22
mlavalleVery quickly I got feedback and based on that had to change some of my implementation approach17:22
mugsieok17:22
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mugsieso is there a new change coming?17:23
mlavalleI was using a "light extension" approach and was asked to implement all the functionality in a full extension17:23
mlavalleI did that last week and pushed the refactored code this past Sunday17:23
mugsieok.17:23
mlavalleright now I am debugging carefully all the functionality under the new approach17:24
mlavalleobvously I am finding a few bugs, but am making solid progress17:24
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mlavalleif everything goes well, I think I will finish debuging this week17:24
mugsiegreat. anything you want us to do, please shout.17:24
mlavallejust take a look on my designate driver17:25
mugsieok17:25
mlavallehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/212213/31/neutron/services/externaldns/drivers/designate/driver.py17:25
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mugsiehave it booked marked17:25
mlavalleto make sure I am not doing something stupid. But it is working fine in my testing17:25
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mugsieok, any questions for mlavalle ?17:26
mlavalledon't look at it until I tell you. The version in Gerrit is a little stale after 2 days of debuging17:26
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mlavallealso, we merged the nova side spec17:26
mlavallelast week17:26
mugsiei saw :)17:27
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mlavalleI'll get to start implementing that as soon as the neutron side debbuging subsides17:27
mugsieok, sounds like solid progress17:27
mlavallethat's it for me17:27
mugsiecool17:27
mugsie#topic Designate Chef Cook Books (j^2)17:27
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mugsiej^2: around?17:28
mugsie#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080266.html17:28
mugsieOK, will push it till next week17:29
mugsie#topic Mid Cycle17:29
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mugsieso17:29
elarson... so17:29
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mugsieI have provisional plans for mid cycle in Galway, Ireland in early feb17:29
mugsieis that still OK?17:30
mugsieFeb 8 - 10 / 1117:30
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mugsiecan people let me know this week if there is issues with travel for those dates / location?17:31
mugsieI am in Galway this week, so will be booking things today  / tomrrow17:31
timsimSure17:31
johnbelamaricI would just have to come up with a reason that can convince my manager so I can visit Ireland ;)17:31
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timsimThat _should_ work for at least some of us.17:32
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mugsiejmcbride: welcome17:32
jmcbridehowdy, sorry for my delay17:32
mugsieGalway, Ireland Feb 8 - 10 / 1117:32
mugsieMid Ccyle17:33
mugsiejohnbelamaric: I am sure you can find somethign17:33
mugsieany customers near here?17:33
mugsie:D17:33
johnbelamaricHmm. Have to check :)17:33
jmcbridemugsie: right now it will be a challenge for us (rackspace) to send full representation17:33
jmcbrideWe are looking at the potential to send 1, remote chance for 2 folks.17:33
mugsieOK, please let me know asap17:34
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mugsie#Open Discussion17:35
mugsie#topic Open Discussion17:35
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johnbelamaricSo…RFC 2317…reverse lookups for network prefixes on non-octet boundaries (CIDR). Have a customer that wants to do this in Designate but validation doesn't allow / in the name. (this is Kilo to be clear). Thoughts on relaxing that?17:35
johnbelamaricZones look like:17:35
mugsiejohnbelamaric: eh. we can definitly look at it17:36
johnbelamaric0/28.10.0.10.in-addr.arpa.17:36
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mugsieif there is an RFC it is easier17:36
johnbelamaricThen you put a CNAM in 10.0.10.in-addr.arpa. pointing17:36
johnbelamaricto that zone17:36
johnbelamaricOK17:36
j^2hy!17:36
j^2hi!17:36
johnbelamaricmugsie: great17:37
mugsiejohnbelamaric: file a spec at least17:37
johnbelamaricmugsie: will do17:37
j^2mugsie: sorry, i was caught in a meeting17:37
mugsieI have just heard over the desk that it "doesn't really work very well"17:37
mugsiebut we an definitly experiment17:38
mugsiej^2: np17:38
mugsieyou want to go throught the chef stuff?17:38
j^2sure17:38
mugsiethrough*17:38
j^2if we have time17:38
mugsieyeah, we do17:38
j^2awesome17:38
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mugsiewhat do you need from us?17:41
j^2so the short of it, is a cookbook to build out an envenironment up17:41
j^2i'd love some people to help, sanity check the cookbook17:41
j^2i'm assuming most don't know chef so i'm willing to help however i can17:41
mugsiesure. I have a little bit of expeirence with chef, 3 years ago17:41
mugsiebut I knwo a few people17:41
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timsimMost of the rax folks use Chef for Designate internally.17:42
j^2and when it "builds" everything out successfully were moving it to the openstack/ namespace17:42
timsimSo we should be able to help out :)17:42
j^2timsim: nice17:42
mugsiej^2: cool - also ping simonmc17:42
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j^2awesome17:43
mugsiehe used ot do the designate cookbooks in hp public cloud17:43
mugsieI justv shouted at him to do it :)17:43
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j^2nice17:43
j^2i want it in my namespace till we get everything together17:43
mugsieyeah, sounds good17:44
j^2prs are faster then reviews till we get "1.0.0" if you catch my drift17:44
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mugsie:)17:44
j^2but my goal is `chef exec kitchen verify` will get us an all in one tested build of designate17:44
j^2and it should take less then 10 mins17:45
mugsiegreat.17:45
mugsieany more questions?17:45
j^2i figured that would be nice, without the overhead of devstack ;)17:45
mugsieyeaj17:45
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j^2cool, so please take a look at the repo, and open issues or ping me17:46
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j^2i'm more then willing to pair or work; just hit me up17:47
mugsiecool. will do17:47
mugsieany other topics before we head off?17:47
mugsieok, everyone gets 10 mins back17:48
mugsie#endmeeting17:48
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cp16net#startmeeting trove18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  2 18:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cp16net. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
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cp16net#topic rollcall18:01
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cp16nethowdy trovers18:01
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vkmcpmalik_++ haha18:03
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cp16netnice18:03
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cp16net#topic stats update18:05
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cp16net#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update18:05
cp16net#link http://bit.ly/1VQyg0018:05
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cp16netwe've had a drop off on the # of reviews i guess it was partly due to a holiday18:06
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cp16neton the otherside we have a big drop in open patches18:06
cp16neti think this is due to cleaning up the backlog18:07
amrithcp16net, yes, I went and abandoned a bunch of them over 4 months.18:07
cp16netthanks amrith and slicknik for going over those :)18:07
atomic77we're down from a peak of 104 to 75, that's great progress18:07
cp16netatomic77: i agree thats awesome18:07
cp16netonly 75 more to go :-P18:08
amrithcp16net, I'm concerned at the merge rate.18:08
amrithit is too low.18:08
amrithwe can't hope (pray) to merge everything at deadline-1 day18:08
cp16netyeah i'll get to that in a bit18:09
cp16netanything else on the reviews?18:09
atomic77although this is why i was hoping we'd get the outstanding specs approved, as those will spawn a number of patchsets that will bring our backlog up again18:09
atomic77still 7 out there (I think we merged two from last week)18:09
mvandijk./18:09
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cp16netatomic77: yeah i have a topic of spec reviews we can bring those up18:11
cp16net#topic past action items18:11
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atomic77ah cool18:11
cp16netthanks for running the meeting in my absence last week peterstac18:11
cp16net:)18:11
peterstaccp16net, np18:12
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cp16netamrith: thanks for scrubing the reviews18:12
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cp16netlooks like that helped a ton18:12
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dougshelley66definitely - thanks...All the reviews fit in one page now :)18:14
cp16netlooks like the other action items are covered in the topics i have18:14
cp16netdougshelley66: depending on your resolution :-P18:14
dougshelley66cp16net right...you need a bigger monitor18:14
cp16net#action M1 branch cut18:15
cp16netdoh...18:15
cp16net#topic M1 branch cut18:15
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cp16netSo the cut deadline for M1 is tomorrow Dec 3rd18:15
cp16netwe still have a few things to approve18:16
cp16netand to push18:16
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cp16netone thing i'm hearing is the final patches for reno support18:16
cp16neti'll push the other patches that are needed and we need to get those approved asap18:16
cp16net#action push the final reno patches18:17
cp16net#action cp16net push the final reno patches18:17
* cp16net doing terrible with #actions today...18:17
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cp16netas far os the specs18:19
cp16neti see 8 reviews open for them18:19
cp16netlets get these looked over by the end of the week18:19
cp16netsince these are in a different repo its ok to approve after M1 is cut18:20
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cp16netbut lets put a deadline by EOD on Dec 4th for specs18:21
cp16net#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/trove-specs,n,z18:21
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cp16netif it doesnt get approved we'll talk about it for post approval18:22
cp16netsound good?18:22
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johnmacp16net: sounds good to me18:23
cp16neti dont think i have anything else on that topic right now18:24
dougshelley66cp16net just to make sure i understand - you are proposing that everything requiring18:25
dougshelley66a spec for mitaka is to be merged by dec 4th?18:25
cp16netyes that is the idea18:25
dougshelley66and after that we will manage any incoming specs on an exception basis?18:25
cp16netso that we have a good idea of what is to come throughout Mitaka18:26
dougshelley66makes sense to me18:26
cp16netand mainly this is to help the rush at the last minute18:26
atomic77so we should all make a push to review the outstanding specs by the end of the week18:26
cp16netright18:26
atomic77and our fearless +2's deliver a final verdict? :)18:26
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cp16netwhat do others think about making M-3 a deadline for the bp implementations of specs?18:28
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cp16netthen m-4 would be for bug fixes18:28
cp16net#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule18:30
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dougshelley66cp16net i'm good with that18:30
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cp16netso the end of february have all the specs code complete and merged18:30
cp16neti'd like to say specs delivered by M-2 in a review18:31
atomic77seems reasonable18:31
cp16netgives some room to wiggle there18:31
cp16neti dont see many people commenting on this but i dont see anyone objecting18:32
atomic77we definitely don't want to be playing gate roulette again at the end of the cycle18:32
atomic77so makes sense to be a bit ambitious even if we do get held up a bit18:32
cp16neti'll bring it up again next time to give others time to think about it or comment again18:32
imandhansounds good to me - nice to have these deadlines set18:32
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cp16net#action cp16net bring up M2 code complete specs and M3 merge specs18:33
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cp16netwith that said i think i'll open it up for others18:34
cp16net#topic Open Discussion18:34
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pmalik_Speaking of gate roulette, could we possibly get this in? It should help to aliviate some of those random failures. Thx. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248421/18:34
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vkmcI'd be nice to have some more time for people to finish their specs after this announcement18:34
vkmcI mean, Dec 4th is Friday18:34
amrithpmalik_, I was going to +1 it but it failed gate ;)18:35
vkmcand there are a lot of holidays in the middle18:35
tellesnobrega+1 vkmc18:35
tellesnobregawe could give till next friday18:35
vkmcnot much, maybe push it to late next week18:35
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pmalik_amrith I think the failure there is unrelated, but sure, let's wait for the second run...18:35
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cp16netvkmc: alright i'm good with next friday18:36
atomic77maybe we can make the deadline for the specs which have had time to marinate18:36
amrithvkmc, are there specs that you have in mind that aren't already in review?18:36
* atomic77 prepares the spec BBQ18:36
cp16netDec 11th for spec completion18:36
amrithsame question for others ...18:36
atomic77and next week for 'new' ones?18:36
amrithare there specs that you'd like to have in m-release which aren't you in review?18:36
vkmcamrith, there are yes18:37
vkmc(I'm talking for me here)18:37
amrithok, I was wondering how many of these there are likely to be.18:37
amrithI ask knowing that I may also have one, but this Friday is fine for me.18:37
vkmcand I know tellesnobrega is working on a spec as well18:38
tellesnobregai just put today the spec for removing migrations18:38
cp16netit doesnt sound like many18:38
tellesnobregaremoving downgrade from migraitons18:38
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cp16netwhich i was saying its fine to have them after this deadline but lets get the 8 that i see now worked on by this friday18:38
tellesnobregaseems a consent that we need to shoot an email from mailing list to figure out if anyone is using this18:38
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vkmctellesnobrega++18:39
amrithmaybe to the operators list, not the dev mailing list.18:39
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tellesnobregaamrith, sure18:39
cp16netand then we can at least have a majority of them merged18:39
amrithbut before you do that, you may want to read my comments on the spec. there appears to be no requirement to remove existing downgrades (although that's what neutron did).18:39
tellesnobregasounds like a good plan18:40
amriththe only requirement is that we don't accept new ones and we document how to restore the database to an old state.18:40
amrithper the cross-project spec.18:40
tellesnobregaamrith, sure, i will take a look into that18:40
cp16neti have one other question i wanted to bring up18:40
amrithso, a simple, low disruption solution is that we just don't accept new migrations that include downgrades.18:40
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tellesnobregaamrith, makes sense, i will take a deeper look into that and if necessary i will send the email18:41
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amrithtellesnobrega, thx18:41
tellesnobregaamrith, np18:42
cp16neti think most of the downgrades we have are not tested at all18:42
tellesnobregacp16net, there is only one test, checks if the migration files have downgrades18:42
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cp16netyeah but i'm sure they will screw things up if they run at all18:43
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amrithso you are advocating just getting rid fo them cp16net18:43
tellesnobregacp16net, probably18:43
cp16neti'm on the fence about removing them all18:44
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tellesnobregaamrith, i think it is the best option, if downgrades are not necessary we can't force this test18:44
cp16netmy thought is if the code is not tested should we have the code there at all?18:44
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amrithcp16net, will an answer from oeprators (or as was the case in other projects, no answer) change your mind?18:44
cp16netamrith: for sure18:44
cp16netif someone really needs a downgrade then its something we should concider18:45
tellesnobregaotherwise i say kill them all18:45
cp16netbut from my xp i dont know of any situation where i've decided to downgrade a system18:45
peterstaccp16net, plus it can be dangerous to downgrade/upgrade18:46
cp16netyeah its destructive18:46
peterstacyou think you'd be back at the same point. but you're probably not18:46
tellesnobregapeterstac, that's the whole point18:46
amrithin that case, let's dispense with the email to the list and just do it?18:46
cp16netespecially when its changing 1000s of records in the db18:46
tellesnobregaamrith, i think we can email, wait a day or two18:46
tellesnobregaand them move on with this18:46
tellesnobregawhat you guys say?18:46
cp16netsounds good to me tellesnobrega18:47
amrithfine, I +2'ed it. if you can get someone else to +2/+1 it, you are golden.18:47
tellesnobregaawesome18:47
cp16nettellesnobrega: will you send an email?18:47
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tellesnobregasure18:47
cp16netthanks18:47
tellesnobregacan put that as an action item for me18:47
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cp16net#action tellesnobrega send an email about removing downgrades to operators18:48
tellesnobregagreat18:48
cp16netok so i had one other thing18:48
cp16netthere was some talk about the trove client versioning18:48
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cp16netwe made a change for exceptions being raised in the client and made a minor version with it when it should have been a major version18:49
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cp16netis this still a problem for the kilo and liberty branches?18:50
cp16netanyone aware?18:50
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amrithI don't have enough context. is there something on ML or in IRC scrollback?18:51
cp16netthere was a ML email about this18:51
* amrith runs to consult with Outlook18:51
cp16nethttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079702.html18:52
cp16neti think this still needs to be addressed18:52
cp16netit shouldnt be hard to do18:52
cp16netmake a revert commit of the exception change18:52
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cp16netrelease new minor version 1.5.018:53
cp16netput the commit back18:53
cp16netrelease 2.0.018:53
* amrith scratches head ... wonders how that would work.18:53
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cp16netneed to make sure its still an issue with the kilo/liberty branches tho18:54
cp16neti think they are working now so i might not be an issue18:54
peterstaccp16net, I think the main problem stemmed from the fact that a server test was checking a client exception18:54
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cp16net#action follow up on the trove client version issue on killo/liberty branches18:55
cp16net#action cp16net follow up on the trove client version issue on killo/liberty branches18:55
cp16netpeterstac: yea i think so18:55
cp16netanyone have anything else?18:55
cp16netoh... trove midcycle rsvp18:56
cp16net#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-trove-midcycle-rsvp18:56
amrithcp16net, wouldn't that mean 1.5.0 is inconsistent with 1.4.0?18:56
amrithshouldn't we just release 2.0.0 and mark 1.4.0 as bad?18:56
cp16netamrith: it could be 1.4.118:56
amrithinstead?18:56
amrithanyway, you have the #action ...18:57
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amrithjust an option, don't bother releasing 1.5.0, just mark the current (1.4.0) as bad.18:57
cp16netthe other branches should have requirements of troveclient<2.0.018:57
amrithor !=1.4.0,...18:58
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cp16neti think it would be missing some of the changes tho18:58
amrithwe seem kind of light on the rsvp's ...18:59
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cp16netbetween 1.3 and 1.4 there was a while18:59
cp16netyeah we are18:59
cp16netalright i think its about time18:59
amriththanks cp16net18:59
amrithhave good one ...18:59
cp16netthanks everyone18:59
cp16net#endmeeting18:59
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vkmcthanks all o/19:01
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xgerman#startmeeting octavia19:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  2 19:59:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:59
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johnsomo/19:59
blallauHi,19:59
rm_worko/19:59
bloganhi19:59
xgerman#chair blogan19:59
openstackCurrent chairs: blogan xgerman19:59
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bana_khi19:59
rm_workI am back from being kinda-mostly-away for a month19:59
xgerman#topic Announcements19:59
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eranraHi20:00
xgermanbana_k I have some question for you in Open Discussion so don’t leave early :-)20:00
ajmillerhi20:00
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bana_kxgerman : sure20:00
johnsomWelcome back rm_work.  No more raw chicken for you20:00
xgermanMidcycle in San Antonio, TX - January 12-1520:00
rm_workheh, maybe just a little bit? :P20:00
xgerman#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle20:00
minwang2o/20:01
dougw2please rsvp on that etherpad, all.20:01
xgerman+120:01
xgermanand please offer a good remote option for people who are budget constraint20:01
blogandougw2 = dougwig?20:01
xgermanyep, irccloud is down20:01
xgermanI had to fire up alocal client20:01
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rm_workYeah I don't know how well my camera-on-a-trashcan thing worked last time?20:01
TrevorVo/20:01
rm_workwas that  ... OK?20:01
dougw2blogan: yes, irccloud is hosed today20:02
xgermanhope they give us our money back20:02
rm_workif they actually let us in the actual CEC this time we should have videoconferencing?20:02
dougw2freenode got ddos'ed, so i don't think it's irccloud's fault.20:02
rm_workand Vidyo is more friendly for external access I think than our old system20:02
xgermancool20:02
xgermanalso we are collocated with FwaaS20:02
rm_workwe'll have to check it out, but hopefully will have a better plan in place20:03
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xgermancool20:03
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xgermannext announcement:20:03
xgermanGSLB Midcycle in Seattle - January 20-22?20:03
rm_workworst case i put my webcam up high again20:03
johnsomYes, Kosmos Jan 20-22 Seattle20:03
xgermanmugsie wanted Seattle your RAX DNS guys must have roughed him up in San Antonio20:04
rm_workI'm still really interested in finding out what Kosmos is doing and how that's moving along, but still don't have time <_<20:04
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xgermannext Elections for Sub-Project-PTL ongoing20:04
johnsomrm_work You haven't missed much yet.20:04
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bloganyour dns guys are mostly in Austin20:05
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dougw2anyone with a commit in the last two cycles should've gotten an email ballot. if not, ping me privately.20:05
blogani mean our20:05
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xgermanthat explains it - they probably brainwashed him :-)20:06
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xgermannext Backwards compat for libraries and clients.20:06
xgerman#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/20:07
xgermanrelease manager johnsom take note: process change for closing bugs when patches merge20:07
xgerman#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080288.html20:07
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johnsomYeah, I saw that20:07
xgermanthe next one is really important20:07
xgermanRelease Notes for *aaS Projects20:07
xgerman#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081105.html20:08
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xgermanso they want us to put our release notes closer to the code. Not sure how diligent we were with the release notes for M120:08
xgermanI think that got cut today20:08
dougw2it was a wiki before. if you've never seen it, this will not affect you.  :)20:08
bloganpretty sure we werent diligent20:08
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xgermanyep, I don;t think we have been very diligent20:09
rm_workerk20:09
johnsomI manually wrote the octavia release notes as we didn't have a previous release to reference20:09
xgermanwell, let’s improve on that one ;-)20:09
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xgermanand lastly Evolving the stadium concept20:10
xgerman#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080865.html20:10
johnsomThe tools assumed a previous release.  Plus we aren't being good with launchpad.  So this is probably good for us.20:10
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dougw2i encourage folks to read and comment on that stadium thread. or if you're not comfortable with the ML, ping one of us in channel or privately.20:10
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xgermanto sum it up LBaaS and/or Octavia might become their own OpenStack project...20:11
xgermanso if you have an opinion one way or the other please comment20:12
dougw2well… to sum it up, armax is asking whether the stadium is too big, too small, or just right. it sort of feels "too big". the exact effects of that are under discussion.20:12
rm_workagree20:12
blogantoo big for one PTL20:12
rm_workseems a bit too big20:12
bloganbc most have their own core teams20:13
dougw2i don't think *any* stadium project is ready to be it's own TC project at the moment.20:13
xgermanwell, I am sure we have enough manpower20:13
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xgermanbut Neutron is a cozy place ;-)20:13
johnsomYeah, the overhead could be high for some projects.  Maybe the advanced services become a "stadium"20:14
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xgermanand then we have neutron as a sub-project ;-)20:15
dougw2i'd rather see each of the three survive on their own merits, in the case of adv.services.  just IMO.20:15
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blogansame for me20:15
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rm_workSo LBaaS and Octavia would BOTH fall under one?20:16
dougw2rm_work: i believe so, in some fashion.20:16
rm_workor, that is part of the discussion I guess20:16
dougw2rm_work: yep20:16
xgermanyep, we would need to discuss and decide20:16
rm_workseems fairly reasonable, the overlap is not 100% but it is significant20:16
xgermanalso I am a bit worried that we need to increase the TC when all those projects hit20:17
dougw2that's the TC's problem to figure out.20:17
dougw2plus, this won't all hit all of the sudden, unless we go insane.20:17
blogancross that bridge when it happens20:17
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xgermanyeah, ML for that one20:18
xgerman#topic Brief progress reports20:18
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johnsomActive/Standby I have been iterating on comments.  Will post another update for open review in a few minutes.20:19
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blogani'm starting on the get me a lb work20:19
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johnsomI have the failover flow updates for active/standby coded, but still have some work to do on it.20:20
blallaugreat20:20
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xgermanblogan please coordinate with doug-fish20:20
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blogani have a review up that includes a graphite dashboard that shows the neutron lbaas jobs history20:21
bloganhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/252178/20:21
xgerman#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242277/ is stuck in merge conflict but I am hoping we will have that ready for review soon again20:21
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blogannice to be able to see the job history and easy to see the failure rate20:21
xgermancool20:22
bloganbc our jobs are failing intermittently bc of this bug20:22
bloganhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150446520:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1504465 in neutron "neutron_lbaas.tests.tempest.v2.api.test_health_monitors_non_admin.TestHealthMonitors failed to clean up loadbalancer" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Syed Ahsan Shamim Zaidi (ahsanmohsin04)20:22
dougw2is it being actively worked on, or does it need to be reassigned?20:22
blogani do not knwo but i was giong to look into it anyway20:23
xgermanalso how do I see that dashboard? Link?20:23
dougw2open the html file locally20:23
blogani'm going ot have to get a tiny url20:23
bloganone sec20:23
xgermanthey are all rst20:23
bloganbut normally ou'd just build the docs20:23
xgermanbut yes, I can build it20:24
xgermanwas hoping for a cdentrally hosted one…20:24
xgermanbut who has a public cloud those days...20:24
bloganwelp this allows one to be easily built, at least link to the graphs20:24
dougw2blogan: you now own that bug.20:24
blogandougw2: hate you20:25
johnsomJust click on the docs gate20:25
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rm_workoctavia.io does central hosting for building docs...20:25
bloganlol20:25
blogani have never clicked on that20:25
bloganthat is much easier20:25
rm_worknot 100% sure what you're talking about but we could also host more stuff there :P20:25
xgermanbrilliant20:25
rm_workbut yeah once built it renders via that link yes :P20:25
dougw2that site has been down 100% of the times i've tried to use it.20:26
rm_workdougw2: really?20:26
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dougw2yep. i gave up.20:26
xgermanfanatical support, eh?20:26
rm_worktry using it now20:26
rm_workit's been up for at least most of the month, was down for a few days due to a reqs issue20:26
rm_workit'll move you to like... 33% :P20:26
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xgermanok, anyhting else progressing?20:27
rm_worki have mostly been away or focused on internal stuff or various upstream fixes that don't fall into a specific category -- but am behind on reviews by a lot and plan to get through at least some today/tomorrow20:27
xgermanevent streamer?20:27
dougw2my current success rate allows me to apply any reply from doesdouglikeit.com to your site.20:27
rm_workI am reviewing EventStreamer NOW20:27
xgermanok, cool20:27
bloganevent streamer, i put some comments in nothing major20:27
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rm_workI think it needs a little more love20:27
rm_workbut just minor stuff20:28
blogancrc32_znc: is welcome to respond20:28
rm_workvery close, yeah20:28
xgermanalso blogan you said our gate is now better20:28
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xgermanso I cut back on my human CI work :-)20:28
rm_workoh I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216140/ really could be merged, although I am not sure if the current test suites actually hit that code20:28
rm_workdo they run through TLS stuff? anyone know before I go digging?20:29
xgermanno20:29
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xgermanno TLS scenarios run/exist20:29
rm_workbleh20:29
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xgermanyeah, fnaval said he would work on it…20:29
johnsomYeah, we got bit on that one with the initial octavia release, TLS was broken20:29
rm_workyes20:29
fnavalyep - on my list of things to do20:30
rm_workso, would love to merge this, but i understand if people are hesitant20:30
xgermanwell, we just need to test which takes time20:30
johnsomSame here, just hasn't bubbled up yet20:30
xgermanmaybe mwang2 has cycles...20:30
rm_workyeah even for me, I can say "it worked fine" but that was a ton of patches ago, dunno if current master broke it, it has sat for a while20:31
xgermanspeaking of which: dougw2 who approved Octavia backports20:31
xgermanapproves20:31
dougw2that'd be the neutron-stable-maint team.20:31
dougw2i think, let me check our gerrit ACLs20:31
dougw2yep.20:32
xgermanthanks — now as we have a release we need to keep backporting bugfixes and people really want TL:S to work20:32
rm_workyes20:32
rm_workhaving working TLS (since it was one of our big features) would be good :P20:32
xgermanwell, we are a few +2s/+A away in Liberty20:32
bloganwe have working tls passthrough20:33
rm_workheh20:33
dougw2don't expect that team to do the backports. we should be cherry-picking what we want back into liberty, within the definitions of acceptable backports.20:33
xgermanwe did the backports20:33
dougw2ok20:33
dougw2if they're not looking at them, just ping them on IRC.20:33
dougw2mestery and ihrachys are pretty fast on those usually.20:33
xgermanthey might not check Octavia20:33
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johnsomIs there a process for those with the cores?  Like we need to +1 it before they look at them?20:34
rm_worka few of us did already20:34
dougw2no, since it's mechanical. just asked in neutron channel.20:34
xgerman#action xgerman ping neutron-stable-maint team for approving Octavia backports20:34
johnsomYeah, just curious20:35
xgermanbana_k what’s the status of the LBaaS V2 heat template?20:35
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xgermanany place we can check?20:36
bana_kmarkvan is working on it.20:36
xgermanETA?20:36
xgermanwill it hit Mitaka? M2?20:36
bana_kI have to check with them for that.20:36
markvanhi, the new LBaaS v2 heat resources are our for review20:37
xgermanok, please do - and let me know if I need to start looking for people to help20:37
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dougw2can you link the review here?20:37
xgermanmarkvan great!!20:37
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markvan#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/lbaasv2-suport,n,z20:37
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xgermanthanks20:38
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xgermanlastly, LBaaS V2 horizon panel is making progress. I roped ajmiller in to write a devstack plugin :-)20:38
dougw2markvan: ty20:38
ajmillerxgerman:  Yup - have a skeleton patch up, working on it as I have time today.20:39
ihrachysdougw2: I use the Kyle's dashboard for stable stuff https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator/blob/master/dashboards/neutron-subprojects-stable.dash20:39
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ajmillerMight get a somewhat functioning version up later today.20:39
ihrachyssince the project is in the list, should eventually work.20:39
xgermanawesome!!20:39
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ihrachysthat said, we have other stuff to care, so it does not occur overnight20:40
dougw2ihrachys: ty20:40
xgermanthanks20:40
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bloganoh want to add one more thing20:42
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blogansince scenario tests are running the real octavia drivers, but its not voting, reviewers should not approve if the scenario job fails20:42
bloganmost likely its one of those intermittent failures and a recheck will pass it, but it might catch an actual regression20:43
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rm_workwhich one is this?20:43
rm_workgate-neutron-lbaasv2-dsvm-scenario20:43
rm_work?20:43
bloganyes20:43
rm_workok20:43
dougw2and please don't recheck spam. if you don't have the time or knowledge to debug, flag someone.20:43
bloganits non-voting right now20:43
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rm_workgood to know20:43
blogani'd like to get it stable enough to make it voting but its failure rate is higher than wanted20:44
dougw2we need to fix the errors, not spam them in.20:44
rm_work^^20:44
xgermandougw2 +120:44
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johnsom+120:44
bloganlets spam fixes in!20:44
xgerman#topic Open Discussion20:44
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minwang2also i feel it is a good habbit to check HP-Octavia-Sonar-CI to make sure we have unit tests20:44
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xgermanminwang2 +120:45
blogangood idea minwang220:45
johnsomYep, it is handy for that20:45
minwang2#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251479/20:45
xgermanabout that Sonar system — with our public cloud shutting down...20:45
bloganlol20:46
minwang2this patch and its dependent patches need review, it is octavia  backport for TLS20:46
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xgermanminwang2 we discussed that earlier20:46
minwang2yeah, just put the link here :)20:46
johnsomYeah, right now we don't have a landing place for the sonar gate.20:46
xgermanthough we unaerthed some Azure credit20:46
johnsomI have pretty detailed docs and would sign up to install it somewhere.20:46
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xgermanwe don’t need to solve it today…20:48
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xgermanand I am hopinf that a company who actually manufactures servers can spare one or twp20:48
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dougw2i'll run it, but i'll mock you OPERATORS mercilessly.20:49
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johnsomGrin20:50
rm_workwell, we're eventually going to have a CI for rackspace's stuff20:50
rm_workI imagine it could also do Sonar?20:50
rm_workbut that's down the road a bit20:50
bloganonly if we can rename it to RAX-SONAR-GATE20:50
xgermandeal20:50
bloganwait we can't use rax20:50
bloganhas to be RACKS20:50
bloganlol20:50
rm_work>_>20:51
xgermanyeah, we shut down 1/3120:51
johnsomI think that is perfectly fair.  You can call it TOWING-SONAR-GATE if you want20:51
xgerman(will also take your server with it dougwig2)20:51
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johnsomI would like to target early January for that.  So if we can make a call on where it goes by then it would be great.20:52
blogani was joking, i dont care what its called, well has to have sonar in the name20:52
johnsomThen I will work with whoever wants it on the details.20:52
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rm_workk, i'm sure we can spin up a machine20:53
bloganmaybe a christmas cloud server gift?20:53
rm_workhow big is the machine now20:53
dougw2i'll want to call it hp-welfare-gate20:53
bloganlol20:53
johnsom4CPU/8GB20:53
rm_workthe meeting is effectively over? I think we can take this to main channel20:53
dougw2move to adjourn20:54
rm_workunless someone has anything else20:54
xgerman#endmeeting20:54
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