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| ajo | #startmeeting #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 15 14:07:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #startmeeting neutron_qos)" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_startmeeting_neutron_qos' | 14:07 |
| ajo | #endmeeting | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 14:07:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_startmeeting_neutron_qos/2015/_startmeeting_neutron_qos.2015-04-15-14.07.html | 14:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_startmeeting_neutron_qos/2015/_startmeeting_neutron_qos.2015-04-15-14.07.txt | 14:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_startmeeting_neutron_qos/2015/_startmeeting_neutron_qos.2015-04-15-14.07.log.html | 14:07 |
| ajo | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 15 14:07:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:07 |
| ajo | ok, from my last emails you will see I got very confused with timeslots / timezones and meetings | 14:08 |
| ajo | we will be overlapping with the TWG every two weeks, may be it's good enough and we just need to pick the right room | 14:09 |
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| ganeshna | it will be good to update the link as well - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Neutron_QoS_meeting | 14:09 |
| ajo | we could also move the meeting 30m later, and not overlap partially... let's talk about it on list | 14:09 |
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| ajo | #action ajo update the meeting room in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Neutron_QoS_meeting | 14:10 |
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| ajo | ganeshna, vikram , did you have time to read the old specs on QoS? | 14:11 |
| vikram | ok i can do | 14:11 |
| ganeshna | am fairly new, submitted my first patch just today | 14:11 |
| ajo | :D | 14:11 |
| ajo | welcome ganeshna :) | 14:12 |
| vikram | i went through it once.. | 14:12 |
| ganeshna | thanks :) | 14:12 |
| ajo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-qos-agenda | 14:12 |
| ajo | I'm trying to put up an agend for the next week | 14:12 |
| ajo | agenda | 14:12 |
| ajo | the original spec by sc68cal is here: http://review.openstack.org/#/c/88599/6 | 14:12 |
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| ajo | basically, the idea, at that stage was to create "QoS" objects, which could be associated with ports or networks | 14:13 |
| ajo | with a policy dictionary, describing the settings. | 14:13 |
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| ajo | IMO this is limited | 14:14 |
| ajo | and I would like to propose something a bit more elaborated, | 14:14 |
| ajo | having QoS objects, with 1:N QoSPolicies | 14:14 |
| ajo | or QoSRules may be it's a more appropriate name if looking into the future. | 14:14 |
| ajo | the idea is that you could, this way, put several polices together into a QoS configuration | 14:15 |
| matrohon | ajo : +1 | 14:16 |
| ajo | also, in the future, | 14:16 |
| vikram | +1 | 14:16 |
| ajo | we could extend QoSPolicies to match on protocol fields, and this way we would be providing traffic classification | 14:16 |
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| ajo | not sure if QoSPolicy with 1:N QoSRules is more correct | 14:16 |
| vikram | ajo: I also feel the scope is limited and only the translation of IP TOS field is being done | 14:16 |
| ajo | vikram, the original spec also talks about bandwidth limiting | 14:17 |
| ajo | types could be added, and policy definitions could be extended | 14:17 |
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| vikram | ok | 14:17 |
| ajo | but for example you couldn't put both together easily | 14:17 |
| ajo | also I'd like to understand how the flavor famework is supposed to work | 14:18 |
| ajo | framework :) | 14:18 |
| ajo | I've read the specs but I don't understand the use cases yet. | 14:19 |
| matrohon | ajo : I think the use case is to hide the implementation of services to the tenant | 14:19 |
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| ajo | ping salv-orlando: ^ | 14:20 |
| ajo | we still have open questions, | 14:20 |
| ajo | for example, | 14:20 |
| ajo | who's able to create QoS policies, I guess a good start is "admin only" | 14:21 |
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| matrohon | ajo : a gold FWaas service can be implemented by firewall A, but the cloud admin can decide later to implement it wit firewall B, the cloud change the implementation but it is trnasparent to the tenant which still uses a Qos Flavor for its firewall service | 14:21 |
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| ajo | hi irenab :) | 14:22 |
| matrohon | ajo : at least it's the way I see it :) | 14:22 |
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| matrohon | ajo : It's the same for Qos, a gold QOS might evolve in the time, but it must be transparent for the end user | 14:23 |
| ajo | aha | 14:23 |
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| ajo | ok, so, considering that, it's still transparent, as long as we implement QoS, then tenants could reference flavors instead of QoS policies directly, right? | 14:24 |
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| ajo | matrohon: so I guess, we may work at implementing QoS first, and then doing integration with flavors? | 14:25 |
| matrohon | ajo : that's might understanding yes... | 14:25 |
| ajo | matrohon: thanks, I will ask dougwig to read our conversation and confirm we're getting it right | 14:26 |
| vikram | ajo: I feel policy control should be tied with the flavor.. Otherwise how to apply QoS for some specific traffic? | 14:26 |
| ajo | other gaps we have: | 14:26 |
| matrohon | ajo : It might be more reasonable, Qos is hard enough to not burden the debate with flavors discussions :) | 14:26 |
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| ajo | +1 I agree with matrohon here, if we could integrate with flavors later, may be it's a good start to keep it simple | 14:27 |
| ajo | if a bad implementation would prevent a later flavor integration, then we should look at it from the start. | 14:27 |
| ajo | vikram, do you mean nova flavors? | 14:27 |
| vikram | +1 for matrohon.. Let's keep it simple for now. | 14:28 |
| ajo | I believe nova and neutron flavors are different things | 14:28 |
| vikram | ajo: I meant QoS flavors | 14:28 |
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| ajo | at current stage, the proposal is that we have specific API calls to tie QoS definitions to ports, or to networks | 14:29 |
| ajo | where network = all ports created in network | 14:29 |
| ajo | there are more complicated interpretation as for example "limiting the whole amount of bandwidth a network can use as a whole" but those cases I guess are not resolved in generall :) | 14:30 |
| ajo | that opens another question (from the gaps)... | 14:30 |
| ajo | 1) If we want to stick a tenant to a QoS profile how do we do it? | 14:31 |
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| ajo | for example, one tenant contracted "Bronze", and we want all his traffic to stay in a certain QoS | 14:32 |
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| ajo | vikram, matrohon ^ | 14:32 |
| matrohon | ajo : In the current proposal, Qos profile is assigned to a tenant, am I wrong? | 14:33 |
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| ajo | matrohon, that's only because every object in neutron belongs to a tenant | 14:33 |
| ajo | it could be the admin | 14:33 |
| ajo | at the point we would be able to allow tenants creating QoS profiles, we may need some sort of ACLs in place, | 14:34 |
| ajo | like limiting bandwidth min/max on limiting, or types of DSCP / IPv6 marks... | 14:34 |
| vikram | ajo: I feel this should be done at the ML2 layer. As for example, if we use OVS for example then appropriate flow rules should be downloaded. | 14:34 |
| ajo | otherwise a tenant could override admin settings | 14:34 |
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| ajo | vikram, yes, that's the dataplane implementation, we can do that there, but I mean | 14:34 |
| matrohon | ajo : It doesn't impact the visibility of the Qos object by the tenant? I understood that Qos object creation was admin only! | 14:35 |
| ajo | in the current definition, we don't have a way to make sure every net / port a tenant creates, is associated with a certain QoS | 14:35 |
| irenab | ajo: hi | 14:35 |
| ajo | we have to go via API and tie the port/net to the QoS profile | 14:35 |
| ajo | hi irenab :) | 14:35 |
| ajo | I guess that depends on how we configure them I could be getting it wrong | 14:36 |
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| matrohon | ajo : you mean the policy.json? | 14:36 |
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| ajo | yes, I was looking at there now | 14:36 |
| ajo | matrohon, one example are the external networks, | 14:37 |
| ajo | are they marked as shared to be seen by tenants, or are those seen because policy.json allows it? | 14:37 |
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| ajo | no, they are shared: False | 14:38 |
| ajo | I just checked | 14:38 |
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| ajo | "get_network": "rule:admin_or_owner or rule:shared or rule:external or rule:context_is_advsvc", | 14:39 |
| ajo | rule:external | 14:39 |
| ajo | Another open question | 14:39 |
| ajo | 2) How do we configure which QoS profiles are available to specific tenants... | 14:40 |
| matrohon | ajo : ok, so tenant can see it but cannot create it | 14:40 |
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| irenab | ajo: for your second question, is it required for initial impementation? | 14:40 |
| ajo | matrohon, I believe we need also some sort of ACL in place to let tenants pick some QoS's and not others | 14:40 |
| matrohon | ajo : that the purpose of RBAC | 14:41 |
| ajo | irenab: probably not | 14:41 |
| irenab | matrohon: +1 | 14:41 |
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| ajo | irenab: as long as we can improve it in the future, we can do it on next cycles | 14:41 |
| matrohon | ajo : we have exactly the same issue with network : they are shared or tenant only | 14:41 |
| ajo | matrohon, irenab RBAC? | 14:41 |
| matrohon | RBAC is supposed to solve the issue | 14:41 |
| * matrohon looking for the spec | 14:42 | |
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| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132661/ | 14:42 |
| irenab | ajo: my understanding that making some entity available to specific tenants is self contained system (RBAC) | 14:42 |
| ajo | ok, if we will have a generic way to solve this, it would be perfect | 14:42 |
| irenab | while need to look into details of this spec, it seems this should be probably generalized for other objects | 14:43 |
| ajo | #topic ACLs for QoS | 14:43 |
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| vikram | ajo: +1 | 14:43 |
| ajo | irenab, yes +1 | 14:43 |
| ajo | it totally makes sense | 14:43 |
| ajo | we shouldn't be reinventing wheels | 14:43 |
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| ajo | yet, irenab, if we wanted to make an specific association of a tenant objects to a QoS by default, | 14:45 |
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| ajo | may be we would need another db model to do it... | 14:45 |
| ajo | may be something to be left for next cycles too | 14:45 |
| irenab | ajo: agree | 14:45 |
| ajo | irenab, I guess you missed my first dissertation: I have notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-qos-agenda | 14:46 |
| ajo | I was proposing to break down the proposed QoS model in two objects, as we discussed +/- | 14:46 |
| irenab | but this does not look different from something like ‘This router can be used by this list of Tenant’ | 14:46 |
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| ajo | irenab, well, I'm more talking about "this QoS will be applied to this tenant ports wether he wants or not" | 14:47 |
| ajo | like enforcing because the tenant contracted one level of service or another with the cloud, | 14:47 |
| ajo | or because the application type he's serving is in one category or another | 14:47 |
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| ajo | but for the visibility, and available QoS's yet, it's like the router example , and great if we will be able to solve it via RBAC | 14:48 |
| irenab | ajo: this sounds reasonable requirement. I think we just need to see if want to support this as part of the initial implementation | 14:48 |
| ajo | matrohon, where you able to find the spec? | 14:48 |
| matrohon | ajo : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132661/ | 14:48 |
| matrohon | the RBAC spec : ^ | 14:48 |
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| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132661/ | 14:49 |
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| ajo | yes, we should help them extend roled based access control not only for networks, but in general | 14:49 |
| matrohon | ajo : +1 | 14:50 |
| vikram | ajo: +1 | 14:50 |
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| matrohon | ajo : Fot the moment I'm not sure the tenant needs to be specified | 14:50 |
| ajo | #action ajo talk to kevinbenton about RBAC spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132661/ , for extending it into a more generic access control | 14:50 |
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| matrohon | the Qos object can be created by the cloud admin, and consummed by the tenant for it's network/port | 14:51 |
| irenab | ajo: lets also add this concern on spec patch review | 14:51 |
| ajo | irenab, I will | 14:51 |
| irenab | matrohon: maybe need some ‘shared’ field to enable it | 14:52 |
| ajo | irenab, we could do it regardless of the shared flag | 14:52 |
| ajo | if we configure policy.json properly | 14:52 |
| ajo | irenab, this is what we have for networks: "get_network": "rule:admin_or_owner or rule:shared or rule:external or rule:context_is_advsvc", | 14:53 |
| irenab | ajo: right, but maybe this should be configurable per qos policy | 14:53 |
| ajo | when it's shared, anybody can access to it | 14:53 |
| ajo | irenab, true | 14:53 |
| ajo | may be one use case can be all QoS's belong to admin, | 14:53 |
| ajo | and he's in charge of setting the QoS on specific ports or networks | 14:54 |
| matrohon | irenab : yep, and for thos Qos obj with shared field, then the tenant can dynamically attach its ports to the Qos | 14:54 |
| ajo | without the specific tenant intervention | 14:54 |
| irenab | ajo: right | 14:54 |
| ajo | may be it's good enough as a start | 14:54 |
| matrohon | ajo : ok | 14:54 |
| irenab | +1 | 14:54 |
| ajo | may be we could define a list of use cases and see which ones are we covering , and which ones aren't we, for a first iteration | 14:55 |
| matrohon | ajo : It seems fair to hink about the Qos usage for the Cloud admin first | 14:55 |
| irenab | ajo: sounds like a plan | 14:55 |
| ajo | ok we are near to the top of the hour. | 14:55 |
| ajo | yes | 14:55 |
| ajo | matrohon, irenab ++ | 14:55 |
| vikram | ajo: good idea. this will ensure we don't miss later. | 14:55 |
| ajo | #action ajo include a set of use cases in the QoS spec to explain what we plan to cover, and what we don't plan to cover for a first iteration. | 14:56 |
| irenab | ajo: we may use etherad to put use cases there, later transform it to the spec | 14:56 |
| ajo | #topic QoS use cases | 14:56 |
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| ajo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-qos-use-case | 14:56 |
| ajo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-qos-use-cases | 14:57 |
| ajo | sorry :) | 14:57 |
| ajo | not sure if we have some sort of un-do's | 14:57 |
| irenab | :-) | 14:57 |
| ajo | feel free to fill in use cases we can think of | 14:57 |
| ajo | ok, shall we close this meeting? :) | 14:58 |
| ajo | 1min left :) | 14:58 |
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| irenab | ajo: do we have meeting next week? | 14:59 |
| ajo | irenab, vikram , matrohon , ganeshna | 14:59 |
| ajo | thanks for joining | 14:59 |
| vikram | timing? | 14:59 |
| ajo | irenab, yes, | 14:59 |
| ajo | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 15:00:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-04-15-14.07.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-04-15-14.07.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2015/neutron_qos.2015-04-15-14.07.log.html | 15:00 |
| ajo | we should leave this meeting room for the next meeting | 15:00 |
| matrohon | thanks ajo! | 15:00 |
| ajo | but we could go on in #openstack-meeting-2 phantom channel about timing | 15:00 |
| vikram | what time we will have the meeting next week | 15:00 |
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| rkukura | Hi ML2’ers! | 15:59 |
| Sukhdev | Hello | 15:59 |
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| dratushnyy | Hello | 15:59 |
| yalie | hi rkukura | 15:59 |
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| amotoki | hi | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | OK, lets get going… | 16:02 |
| iymht | hello | 16:02 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 15 16:02:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_April_15.2C_2015 | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | Would anyone like to add anything to the agenda? | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | manishg is out this week | 16:04 |
| rkukura | I’ll be out next week, but luckily it’ll be Sukhdev’s turn to chair | 16:04 |
| rkukura | And neutron kilo RC-1 is out! | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | Mid-cycle sprint will take place in June | 16:05 |
| yalie | hi rkukura, when will be RC-2 ? | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:06 |
| dratushnyy | And I'm new guy on that meetings: my topic in agenda is portsecurity driver tests | 16:06 |
| rkukura | yalie: My undestanding is that additional RCs will be created if and only if critical bugs turn up | 16:06 |
| rkukura | dratushnyy: Welcome! Thanks for adding that to the agenda. | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:07 |
| yalie | dratushnyy is a new comer, and he has some ideas on test port-sec :) | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:07 | |
| yalie | rkukura: thanks | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | dratushnyy: Welcome | 16:07 |
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| amotoki | dratushnyy: welcome | 16:08 |
| rkukura | shivharris isn’t here yet, but had an action: Add next steps for the Drivers decomposition to summit topic etherpad | 16:08 |
| dratushnyy | thanks :) | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | looks like this is item one, with a followup suggesting a session isn’t needed | 16:09 |
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| rkukura | Does anyone feel strongly a session on plugin and/or driver decomposition at the summit would be useful? | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think we need a topic on the future of the plugin/decomposition | 16:10 |
| amotoki | I think the session can cover neutron-lib or others. we can share pain points of decomposition: vendor decomp and advsvc split. | 16:10 |
| banix | i think what is left to discuss is the fate of ml2 plugin and where it lives | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | Lets return to this in the agenda section on on summit sessions | 16:11 |
| amotoki | banix: right. it is what we raised last week. | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | shivharris also had an action regarding release notes for kilo | 16:12 |
| rkukura | Any update on that? | 16:12 |
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| yalie | not here? | 16:13 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev and I had an action to discuss with mestery whether working on ML2 sync/TaskFlow at the mid-cycle code sprint would make sense. | 16:13 |
| rkukura | yalie: Right, shivharis isn’t here | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I know you were trying to contact mestery regarding this yesterday. Any update? | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | I have not had a chance to get hold of mestery - will try to have that discussion | 16:14 |
| rkukura | And manishg was going to document ML2 sync discussion points, but he isn’t here either. | 16:15 |
| rkukura | I’ll record these for next week… | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | #action Sukhdev to discuss with mestery about task flow during mid-cycle sprint | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | #action manishg to document the discussion point related to ML2 Sync | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: sounds good | 16:17 |
| rkukura | I’m leaving out the decomposition action since we’ll discuss that shortly | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | And I think release notes and documentation were dicussed in depth at this weeks neutron IRC meeting. | 16:18 |
| rkukura | Anything else on last week’s action items? | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | #topic Finalize recommendations to mestery on ML2 summit sessions | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | OK, I see three categories here: | 16:19 |
| rkukura | 1) sync/TaskFlow/error handling | 16:19 |
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| rkukura | 2) decomposition, location of ML2 tree, … | 16:19 |
| rkukura | 3) next steps in evolution of the driver API, for which I added a couple ideas to the eitherpad yesterday | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | I’m sure a number of other topics effect ML2, but I’d like to focus here on the ones driven by driver maintainers and others that want to improve ML2 | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | All of these are good | 16:21 |
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| rkukura | Given that there is a limited amount of time and space at the summit, I don’t think its reasonable to ask for too many ML2-specific sessions | 16:22 |
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| yalie | will we choose some ones which get most attension +1? | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | I am not able to open the etherpad - does others have the issue? | 16:23 |
| rkukura | But we should figure out what we really need to discuss in-person, and see if we can organize that into a couple of sessions, and hopefully mestery will include those. | 16:23 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: chrome? | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | yalie: yes | 16:23 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: try again - worked second try for me this morning | 16:23 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: ctrl +f5 | 16:23 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: have you tried reload? etherpad has been upgraded. | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | yes, that worked - thanks amotoki | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | I’m thinking we should try to a full working group session on sync/error handling/TaskFlow, assuming we can do enough hopework before then to have some clear options to evaluate and decide between. | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | Does that seem reasonable? | 16:26 |
| GLaupre | :) | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: +1 | 16:26 |
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| amotoki | sounds good. If not, friday working table | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | So what do we really need to cover that’s ML2-specific on decomposition next steps and related items? | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: Lets try for a session, and use Friday to finish up if needed | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | Looks like this is related to item 3 | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | Do we think ML2 and the L2 agents should be moved to a separate neutron repo, ala *aaS? | 16:30 |
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| dratushnyy | what "pros" for it? | 16:31 |
| rkukura | dratushnyy: good question | 16:31 |
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| dratushnyy | can't find any for now | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | it could be argued that moving the data plane implementations out would allow testing of the API and REST stuff in the core repo to be cleaned up and impoved | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: you mean ML2 and L2 into two separate repos or into one? | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I’d think the reference L2 agents would belong in the same repo as ML2, whatever that is | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | A separate set of core reviewers focused on ML2 and the reference dataplane(s) might help scale up the neutron team’s productivity | 16:34 |
| dratushnyy | rkukura: so cleaning is ok, but more repos - more work to config and manage | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | there are others who might be using l2 agents other than ML2 | 16:34 |
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| amuller | rkukura: would you have the l3 agent, metadata and dhcp agents in a separate repo from ml2 and ovs/lb agents? | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | dratushnyy :-) | 16:35 |
| yalie | So this is L2 repo, Fwaas is for L3 ? | 16:35 |
| rkukura | amuller: I think that would need to be discussed. I’m not pushing this proposal, but am certainly willing to discuss it if there is interest | 16:35 |
| rkukura | yalie: The various *aaS extension now each have their own repo. I think this would follow that model, but exactly where to draw the lines would remain to be discussed | 16:36 |
| dratushnyy | rkukura: think same. and maybe any 'use cases' for that model ? | 16:37 |
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| dratushnyy | mean for ML2 separate repo | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | So far, I’m not hearing strong advocacy from this team for moving ML2 (and maybe other stuff) into a separate repo, but not strong opposition either. Seems this is really a neutron-level topic rather than ML2-specific then. | 16:38 |
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| yalie | rkukura: agree | 16:39 |
| rkukura | So other than repo-reorganization, what next steps on decomposition need to be discussed at the summit? | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I can't think of any | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | Drivers seem to have followed two different approaches: 1) in-tree entry point inherits driver class from backend-library, and 2) in-tree driver code implements/uses ML2 driver APIs, | 16:41 |
| rkukura | Is there a need to try to converge on a single approach, or continue leaving this up to each driver? | 16:41 |
| amuller | rkukura: I'd love to hear concrete pros for moving parts of the reference implementation, I can only think of negatives | 16:42 |
| amuller | but I'm biased | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think we should leave that to the driver owners | 16:42 |
| sadasu | rkukura: I don't see a strong reason to remove it and place it in a diff repo | 16:42 |
| amuller | rkukura: it would make my life a lot harder on a personal level | 16:42 |
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| sadasu | sadasu: by it I mean ML2 | 16:42 |
| dratushnyy | and on some testing level too | 16:42 |
| rkukura | Sounds to me like the ML2 team won’t be pushing for summit sessions on these topics, but will participate if others drive them and they get scheduled | 16:43 |
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| Sukhdev | amuller: share negatives - it will be interesting to hear your views | 16:43 |
| banix | rkukura: makes sense; agree | 16:43 |
| rkukura | So the 3rd category was some of the unfinished items that we’ve been kicking from release to release, like moving code to extension drivers, enforcing extension semanics, improving securiy group flexibility, etc. | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | Can we pack that sort thing into a session and try to prioritize for liberty? | 16:44 |
| sadasu | rkukura: esp for the decomposition, it was an effort driven by the cores, and I am still having a somewhat hard time explaining the rationale to folks who don't participate in Neutron on a daily basis | 16:44 |
| amuller | Sukhdev: It depends on how it's divided right, but I imagine working on L3 HA and DVR with everything split up, if ML2 and the L3 agent are in separate repos, or if L3 and OVS agent are in separate repos, it makes it a lot harder | 16:44 |
| rkukura | amuller: Good points. If we really had a layered architecture it would be more workable to use separate repos. | 16:45 |
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| rkukura | I want to wrap up the summit session discussion so we can cover the rest of the agenda | 16:46 |
| rkukura | Do we think two session specific to ML2 are sufficient? | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | So, it seems leaving it as-is reasonable | 16:46 |
| rkukura | One on sync/error/TaskFlow, the other on driver API next steps? | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I see a topic on decomposition on the etherpad already | 16:47 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: perhaps ML2 can be covered under that | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: +1, but I’m not sure if we are pushing for that topic, or if someone else i | 16:49 |
| rkukura | is | 16:49 |
| rkukura | Ok, lets move on… | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | #topic Quick update on DVR UT/fix/cleanup work | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | We discussed this in depth last week. I made good progress on the approach we discussed, but am now thinking we might want to take a different approach, where the current and previous port dictionaries always reflect the attributres that will be returned to the client, and we add PortContext attributes for all the state that might be host-specific in distributed ports. | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | This would follow the approach in the original DVR code, where they added PortContext.host. We’d also add PortContext.vif_type, PortContext.previous_vif_type, ... | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | I’ll send an email to openstack-dev once this has gelled a bit, and we can decide which approach makes more sense. | 16:52 |
| rkukura | #topic portsecurity tests: unit, functional and scenario | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | dratushnyy: Is this your topic? | 16:53 |
| dratushnyy | yep | 16:53 |
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| rkukura | go ahead... | 16:54 |
| dratushnyy | so this one is quite short. unit tests is implemented, so I have few ideas to api tests and scenario tests | 16:54 |
| dratushnyy | should I put them here? | 16:54 |
| rkukura | sure | 16:54 |
| dratushnyy | ok | 16:54 |
| dratushnyy | 1 Create port without specifying ‘port_security_enabled’ and verify that attribute is enabled by default | 16:54 |
| dratushnyy | Create port with specifying ‘port_security_enabled’ = True | 16:54 |
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| dratushnyy | Create port with specifying ‘port_security_enabled’ = False | 16:54 |
| dratushnyy | Try to create port with invalid parameters for ‘port_security_enabled’ | 16:55 |
| dratushnyy | Try to create port with both parameters (security-group, no-security-group) provided and ‘port_security_enabled'=True\False | 16:55 |
| dratushnyy | Update port with no security group attached, set attribute to False | 16:55 |
| rkukura | dratushnyy: Would these be tempest scenario tests that actually validate the datapath? | 16:55 |
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| dratushnyy | this is just for api. for scenario "Verify VM connectivity (try to send\receive packets) through insecure port" | 16:56 |
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| yalie | I think yes | 16:56 |
| dratushnyy | Verify that tenant is able to attach ports with ‘port_security_enabled’=True or ‘port_security_enabled’=False to VM | 16:56 |
| dratushnyy | and update from yalie | 16:57 |
| dratushnyy | [yalei] I think it’s a good idea to test updating the port associated to a VM, and also test attaching the updated port to a VM. | 16:57 |
| dratushnyy | also tests for CLI | 16:57 |
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| dratushnyy | so, what your thoughts | 16:57 |
| dratushnyy | ? | 16:57 |
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| yalie | yes, we find there would be some confusing when specify a port using 'nova boot', then dratushnyy want to add a complete test. | 16:58 |
| rkukura | I’m in favor of tempest tests verifying all this works as expected. | 16:59 |
| yalie | the test in review is just to connetivity, and simple. | 16:59 |
| GLaupre | yalie: Where can we find those tests? | 16:59 |
| yalie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167910/ is for API cases | 17:00 |
| rkukura | We need to wrap up | 17:00 |
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| yalie | dratushnyy will extend it | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Any last comments? | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | Lets folluwup on this in gerrit. | 17:00 |
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| yalie | thanks | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
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| dratushnyy | ok:) | 17:00 |
| dratushnyy | thanks :) | 17:00 |
| yalie | thanks all | 17:00 |
| banix | bye | 17:00 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 17:00:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | Thank rkukura | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-15-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| sadasu | tahnks | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-15-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-04-15-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 15 17:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Hey folks - Who's about? | 17:01 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:01 |
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| vinod1 | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
| rjrjr | o/ | 17:01 |
| paul_glass | o/ | 17:01 |
| bharath_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| timsim | o? | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Okay - Let's get started :) | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Woo - RC1 is out (finally!) | 17:01 |
| Kiall | ttx cut rc1 for us last night :) | 17:02 |
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| rjrjr | congratulations! | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Thanks everyone for the hard work - it's beena busy 6 months for everyone :) | 17:02 |
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| bharath_ | congrats guys !!! | 17:03 |
| Kiall | This also marks the moment of APIv2 == STABLE, v1 == DEPRECIATED :) | 17:03 |
| mugsie | \o/ | 17:03 |
| timsim | Woo! | 17:03 |
| elarson | woohoo | 17:03 |
| mugsie | so happy :) | 17:03 |
| * mugsie hates the v1 api | 17:03 | |
| Kiall | Okay .. So, https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential - We've still got a few issues, some not so important, some important enough to warrant an rc2 :) | 17:04 |
| rjrjr | mugsie: agreed! | 17:04 |
| mugsie | one more year, and we can kill it fully | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Bugs which you believe should be considered for kilo final should be tagged "kilo-rc-potential" | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | (standard for all the projects etc etc) | 17:04 |
| Kiall | myself, mugsie and ekarlso have been in a conf room all week standing up a production style deploy, and testing testing testing | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | We've found a few issues today tho.. bug 1444384 being the only one filed so far | 17:05 |
| openstack | bug 1444384 in Designate "mDNS workers - TCP/UDP sockets missing flags" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444384 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Ideally, even though we're open for Liberty changes, we can get everyone testing and finding+fixing bugs, rather than powering onto L ;) | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Any changes needed for K must be pushed to the master branch first, then the proposed/kilo branch. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Any questions on process? | 17:06 |
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| vinod1 | is there a document that lists the way to backport changes from one branch to another? | 17:07 |
| rjrjr | i know we are concentrating on bugs, when will the Liberty work be decided/scoped? | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Mmm.. Probably! | 17:07 |
| mugsie | vinod1: in general it is just cherrypicking commits from master to the proposed/kilo branch | 17:07 |
| Kiall | vinod1: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Branch_Model is the one I'm thinking of | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | But, it's not a "How To" style | 17:08 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: scoped in vancouver / planned from now | 17:08 |
| mugsie | i think | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | but we can start scoping things before | 17:08 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: I'm thinking we kickoff L talk for half of next week's meet.. | 17:08 |
| rjrjr | great! | 17:08 |
| Kiall | vinod1: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch found the other page I'm thinking of | 17:09 |
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| vinod1 | Thanks Kiall | 17:09 |
| Kiall | proposed/kilo looks very like stable/foo - identical I think from a process POV | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Okay, so.. With K-RC1 out, and L stuff not happening till next week's meet at earliest, then, we don't have a huge amount to discuss today :) So.. I'll move to Open Discussion.. and mention a few of the bugs we found today (but haven't filed yet) | 17:10 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | before I do tho, any other topics from other people? | 17:10 |
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| rjrjr | is there a list started for the Liberty work being proposed? we have stuff we'd like to add to it. | 17:11 |
| mugsie | just the specs | 17:11 |
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| * elarson was curious as well | 17:11 | |
| rjrjr | so, get some preliminary specs in? | 17:12 |
| elarson | mugsie: thanks for confirming | 17:12 |
| mugsie | so, specs in gerrit, and blueprints on launchpad | 17:12 |
| Kiall | and launchapd :) http://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/liberty-1 I think.. LP won't load right now | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Wow - hotel wifi sucks. 4seconds lag -_- | 17:12 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: fire away | 17:12 |
| bharath_ | good to know where to propose stuff that we'd like to add | 17:12 |
| mugsie | i will merge the Open Liberty Specs after this | 17:13 |
| mugsie | so the basic process is to file a blueprint on launchpad, and the wite a spec, that references the bp, in openstack/designste-specs | 17:14 |
| mugsie | same review process etc will apply | 17:14 |
| rjrjr | mugsie: i'll show bharath what i have done in the past for this. | 17:14 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: cool :) | 17:14 |
| elarson | mugsie: btw, I submitted a patch to add liberty specs | 17:14 |
| elarson | b/c I have the hook api spec as well | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | elarson: yea, I saw it. think it is failing gate atm though... | 17:15 |
| elarson | dog gone it | 17:15 |
| Kiall | Okay, so.. Bugs myself / ekarlso / mugsie found today... | 17:15 |
| Kiall | 1) bug 1444384 - More than 1 worker with mDNS was exploding, hampering performance and limiting you to a single CPU. Hopefully have a patch up. | 17:15 |
| Kiall | 2) No # - Under high load, we're seeing the DB Connection Pool get exhausted.. This *could* be a a config / pool size issue.. or it could be highlighting an issue somewhere | 17:15 |
| Kiall | 3) No # - Pool Manager with workers, every worker runs the periodic tasks | 17:15 |
| openstack | bug 1444384 in Designate "mDNS workers - TCP/UDP sockets missing flags" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444384 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | will look at it in a bit :) | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | 4) No # - Multiple Pool Manager - every PM is running periodic sync | 17:15 |
| mugsie | elarson: ah, you combined them :) | 17:16 |
| Kiall | and - I think, but haven't verified, 6) every pool manager's sync's are syncing zones for every pool.. | 17:17 |
| Kiall | 5* | 17:17 |
| timsim | Those make sense. | 17:17 |
| elarson | mugsie: yeah, I sort of had to b/c you can't add a directory in vcs | 17:17 |
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| rjrjr | i wouldn't mind tackling 3,4,6 | 17:18 |
| rjrjr | :) | 17:18 |
| elarson | of course that didn't stop me from being confused as to why I couldn't rebase my hook api spec on top of the libery branch ;) | 17:18 |
| Kiall | I was going to tackle 3 tomorrow, as it's not helping out testing :D | 17:18 |
| rjrjr | k | 17:18 |
| Kiall | But other than that, there all open.. I just need to file some bugs | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | So - Has anyone else managed to get testing Kilo properly now that we're - in theory - done? | 17:20 |
| timsim | Do we want to do bug triage? | 17:20 |
| Kiall | yea, mugsie mentioned I skipped it ;) | 17:20 |
| Kiall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential <-- should also be triaged, rejecting bugs we don't think are worth another RC for. | 17:20 |
| rjrjr | you are going to use Kilo for the workshop in Vancouver, correct? | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Yep, we will :) | 17:21 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: that would be the plan | 17:21 |
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| mugsie | or tip of liberty if it has some stuff we want to show off :) | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Oh.. Also found bug 1444414 today... Bind AXFR's from the "first" master in it's list.. which leads to a very busy mdns-001 instance ;) | 17:21 |
| openstack | bug 1444414 in Designate "Order of nameservers is not random" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444414 | 17:21 |
| mugsie | so, bug triage? | 17:22 |
| timsim | Alright, should we go through the bugs? We can do the kilo-rc-potential ones first? | 17:22 |
| mugsie | rc first i think | 17:22 |
| Kiall | timsim: sounds good :) | 17:22 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1444384 | 17:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1444384 in Designate "mDNS workers - TCP/UDP sockets missing flags" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:23 |
| mugsie | ++ for rc2 | 17:23 |
| rjrjr | +1 | 17:23 |
| timsim | Yep critical/high rc2 for me | 17:23 |
| vinod1 | +1 | 17:23 |
| mugsie | yeah, critical i think | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Yea, we've known mDNS will be a bottleneck since day 1.. and this just makes it worse! We noticed a HUGE improvement going from 1 -> 2 workers.. More than 2x oddly enough. | 17:23 |
| Kiall | We don't have a rc2 milestone.. I'll get one | 17:24 |
| timsim | Alright, so we just add them to a list for now? | 17:24 |
| mugsie | add an k-rc2 tag to them? | 17:24 |
| Kiall | timsim: yea, #info bug 123 for rc2 will add them to the meeting logs | 17:24 |
| openstack | bug 123 in Launchpad itself "There's no direct way to see the project info when translating it" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123 | 17:24 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to ask ttx to create a a rc2 | 17:24 |
| Kiall | milestone | 17:24 |
| timsim | Alright. | 17:24 |
| timsim | #info bug 1444384 to kilo-rc2 | 17:25 |
| openstack | bug 1444384 in Designate "mDNS workers - TCP/UDP sockets missing flags" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444384 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | That'll do it :) | 17:25 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1437699 | 17:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1437699 in Designate "mDNS should Handle Bad File Descriptor" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Ron Rickard (rjrjr) | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | -1, in that, if it happens to get fixed, great.. But it only logs the exception in exceptional circumstances.. So I'm personally not too pushed | 17:26 |
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| rjrjr | seems like it can wait. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Not sure if others agreed, hence I added it | 17:26 |
| mugsie | push to l | 17:26 |
| rjrjr | reproducing it is going to be fun. | 17:26 |
| vinod1 | currently it is marked for liberty | 17:26 |
| timsim | If it's an easy fix, it'd be good to add if someone has time, but if not, no big. Alright it'll stay liberty-1 then. | 17:26 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1444414 | 17:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1444414 in Designate "Order of nameservers is not random" [Medium,Triaged] | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | timsim: yea, if it's easy.. and it might be! I just haven't looked.. then landing it is no issue IMO after we have at least one other RC2 patch landed | 17:27 |
| Kiall | (e.g. when we already know an RC2 is 100% coming, vs that alone causing a RC2) | 17:27 |
| rjrjr | i think 1444414 is high. | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | yeah | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | and RC2 | 17:28 |
| timsim | I think this one should be in rc2 fo sho | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Yea, it's a small fix to balance out the load. | 17:28 |
| rjrjr | +1 | 17:28 |
| vinod1 | +1 for rc2 | 17:29 |
| timsim | #info bug 1444414 to rc2 | 17:29 |
| openstack | bug 1444414 in Designate "Order of nameservers is not random" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444414 | 17:29 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1442141 | 17:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1442141 in Designate "designate-api Throws Error on stop()" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes) | 17:29 |
| mugsie | not rc2 imho | 17:29 |
| Kiall | mugsie was looking into this.. I'd love to see it fixed, but it seems be a buried inside eventlet :( | 17:29 |
| timsim | Yeah, probably not worth it then. | 17:29 |
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| rjrjr | what is the ramifications of the problem? | 17:29 |
| Kiall | One of the glance folks made a change to eventlet.wsgi for their use case, and it's caused this for us :( | 17:30 |
| timsim | So liberty, medium? | 17:30 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:30 |
| Kiall | https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/commit/1c30e9b39f4330babcb3665df4c1a3ba694bc6c1 <-- was the commit that caused it | 17:30 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: not much, just the error message that shows on stop() | 17:30 |
| rjrjr | okay. in that case +1 | 17:31 |
| vinod1 | is only designate-api affected and not the other services? | 17:31 |
| Kiall | vinod1: yep, only affects the API | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Well.. 1 other reason we might want to say rc2 | 17:31 |
| * elarson tried to fix that the other day | 17:31 | |
| rjrjr | i've seen the "greenthreads will never terminate" in Juno. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | not fixing it means restarting with break open connections rather than wait for them to complete, I believe. | 17:31 |
| rjrjr | just not the stuff after that. | 17:31 |
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| vinod1 | good to have for rc2 if it is an easy fix | 17:32 |
| mugsie | i think l - due to the time and effort needed, and the limited impact | 17:32 |
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| mugsie | it is most likey not going to have an easy fix | 17:33 |
| Kiall | vinod1: it doesn't look to be an easy fix.. mugsie spent a few hours at it last week and kept hitting more edge cases | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | but, need more time to dig into it | 17:33 |
| vinod1 | in that case - liberty | 17:33 |
| rjrjr | liberty | 17:33 |
| timsim | Seems like it's probably too much work/too small impact to get into kilo | 17:33 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:33 |
| timsim | We good to move on? | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Yea, let's call it L and if we find a easy fix, great.. back into K if there's another RC | 17:34 |
| timsim | Cool | 17:34 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1442890 | 17:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1442890 in Designate "Remove support for sqlite" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Endre Karlson (endre-karlson) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | IRC lag SUCKS -_- | 17:34 |
| mugsie | move to L | 17:34 |
| mugsie | 100% not a rc2 thing | 17:34 |
| Kiall | That's more of a blueprint I reckon, but ++ 100 | 17:34 |
| Kiall | (and yea.. ++100 in L ;) | 17:35 |
| timsim | Yeah we're done with the rc1 potential ones, FYI | 17:35 |
| mugsie | ah | 17:35 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:35 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1442699 | 17:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1442699 in Designate "Add admin endpoint to the list of versions" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Vinod Mangalpally (vinod-mang) | 17:35 |
| mugsie | i would move to a medium, | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | Again, L.. Medium? | 17:36 |
| vinod1 | liberty | 17:36 |
| rjrjr | low-medium liberty | 17:36 |
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| timsim | Alright, medium-liberty it is | 17:36 |
| Kiall | (Side track I've asked theirry re a RC2 milestone, I suspect he's gone home for the day though) | 17:36 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1443858 | 17:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1443858 in python-designateclient "Designateclient does not support to provide domain names instead of domain ids" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | we have tagged for kilo there, so high | 17:37 |
| Kiall | So... here's one that's changed recently. clients now have stable branches, and work closer to the server projects than they used to. I'm not 100% familar with the process now. | 17:37 |
| mugsie | (we dont have milestones in the client) | 17:37 |
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| timsim | So I guess we just slap importance->high on it? | 17:38 |
| rjrjr | seems aggressive for kilo. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | anyway, code is up for it (I haven't reviewed yet tho).. So let's say Medium+L? | 17:39 |
| rjrjr | never mind then. :( | 17:39 |
| rjrjr | didn't realize we already had the code for it. | 17:39 |
| timsim | So should we be getting milestones for the client? | 17:39 |
| rjrjr | so, no more IDs for domains in the client I'm all for. | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Yea, and I have no clue what the new client release process is.. hasn't entirely settled in yet.. etc | 17:39 |
| Kiall | I'll find out before next week's meet. | 17:40 |
| timsim | Ok. I'll ust put medium on it. | 17:40 |
| rjrjr | so, the client will support domain names or IDs, correct? | 17:40 |
| Kiall | Humm .. actually.. I likely will have to miss next weeks meet. | 17:40 |
| elarson | there is also the openstack-sdk to consider. not sure if that is still really far out though | 17:40 |
| mugsie | is -sdk still a thing? | 17:40 |
| mugsie | there is openstackclient | 17:40 |
| * elarson was under the impression it was | 17:40 | |
| mugsie | if it is - great :) | 17:41 |
| * elarson does a good job bringing up things that can only be answered with more questions ;) | 17:41 | |
| Kiall | lol :) | 17:41 |
| elarson | mugsie: I can send an email about it | 17:41 |
| mugsie | but the new client should be based on openstack-client for the cli | 17:41 |
| Kiall | Okay, was that the end of the list timsim? | 17:41 |
| mugsie | elarson: cool, that would be good | 17:41 |
| timsim | 2 more quick ones | 17:41 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1443858 | 17:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1443858 in python-designateclient "Designateclient does not support to provide domain names instead of domain ids" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 17:41 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1444452 | 17:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1444452 in python-designateclient " Designateclient does not support relative names in record-create command" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Cedric Brandily (cbrandily) | 17:41 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1443588 | 17:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1443588 in Designate "designate-dashboard reuses update domain screen as view details screen" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Peterson (ericpeterson-l) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | I can *feel* rjrjr dancing @ his desk right now for both of those ;) | 17:42 |
| timsim | Sorry, that first one was what we just did | 17:42 |
| rjrjr | actually, whoever is doing the workshop walkthrough will appreciate these changes. :) | 17:42 |
| rjrjr | but yeah, loving these items. | 17:43 |
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| mugsie | dashboard - high, l | 17:43 |
| Kiall | bug 1443588 - L+Medium again.. Code is up, we can likely merge to master today/tomorrow.. | 17:43 |
| openstack | bug 1443588 in Designate "designate-dashboard reuses update domain screen as view details screen" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1443588 - Assigned to Eric Peterson (ericpeterson-l) | 17:43 |
| timsim | Alrighty | 17:43 |
| mugsie | it just needs a +A afaik | 17:43 |
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| rjrjr | +1 | 17:43 |
| timsim | Alright, done :) | 17:44 |
| Kiall | Sorted :) | 17:44 |
| Kiall | So - Any final topics? | 17:45 |
| rjrjr | you'll have the other bugs written up for triage next week? | 17:45 |
| timsim | Not from me | 17:45 |
| rjrjr | and can they still be kilo rc-2 candidates next week? | 17:45 |
| rjrjr | some of those bugs you mentioned earlier seem important. | 17:46 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: Yep, I'll get them filed | 17:46 |
| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | final release date is Apr 30 - In theory, we could release an RC as late as then.. I wouldn't exactly want to though. | 17:46 |
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| rjrjr | we'd be shipping a Kilo with a severely disabled PM. | 17:47 |
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| rjrjr | sorry, crippled, not disabled. :) | 17:47 |
| Kiall | Yea, there all small little issues tho.. So they should all be easy enough to fix! (Famous last works!) | 17:47 |
| Kiall | words* | 17:48 |
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| rjrjr | we can jump on some of those when you get them written up. | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | Okay, well, sounds like were done. Thanks guys, please get as much testing of.. everything.. as you can :) | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | Myself / mugsie / ekarlso will be locked back up in the conference room again tomorrow to do our bit ;) | 17:49 |
| rjrjr | thanks guys. | 17:49 |
| Kiall | Cya! | 17:49 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:49 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
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| iben_ | telco meeting starting soon? | 18:53 |
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| sgordon | >.> | 19:00 |
| sgordon | <.< | 19:00 |
| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 15 19:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 19:00 |
| iben_ | #info Iben Rodriguez from spirent | 19:01 |
| iben_ | are we needing to info in? | 19:01 |
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| sgordon | #info if you are here for the QoS meeting then you are in the wrong place (and possibly time) | 19:01 |
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| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061580.html | 19:01 |
| sgordon | ^ for those hunting for the qos meeting | 19:02 |
| sgordon | #topic vancouver summit | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-ops-meetup | 19:02 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-April/006730.html | 19:02 |
| sgordon | draft operators summit track is now available for comment at the second link above | 19:02 |
| sgordon | #info draft operators summit schedule has telco session wednesday from 9:00am to 10:30 | 19:03 |
| sgordon | if anyone sees a burning clash with that please advise! | 19:03 |
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| sgordon | silence is taken as a noooo | 19:04 |
| ian_ott | hi...not for me | 19:05 |
| sgordon | #topic opnfv day | 19:05 |
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| sgordon | HKirksey, any updates w.r.t. planning for this? | 19:05 |
| ian_ott | looking at the topics, for working group, we talked about OPNFV interactions, could be topic | 19:05 |
| HKirksey | #info No significant updates; we’re a bit heads down working on our release | 19:05 |
| HKirksey | #info there was a request last week in this meeting to have a session on actionable gaps for existing use cases to prioritze features — I added that to our Wiki and haven’t gotten any negative feedback | 19:06 |
| HKirksey | #link https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/Vancouver_OpenStack | 19:06 |
| HKirksey | That’s our Etherpad for planning; feel free to add | 19:06 |
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| ian_ott | ok thx, didn't realize the two sessions | 19:07 |
| HKirksey | ian_ott, could you provide a little more detail on what you’d like to see on OPNFV interactions? Or just a general info sharing/discussion topic? | 19:07 |
| sgordon | ian_ott, that is certainly something i am wary of | 19:08 |
| ian_ott | looking at your etherpad now, looks very detailed | 19:08 |
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| sgordon | whether or not there is necessarily value in having both the ops track and opnfv space | 19:08 |
| sgordon | probably depends who you ask ;) | 19:08 |
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| sgordon | HKirksey, i think this comes back to how much time can be allocated on the monday for this | 19:10 |
| HKirksey | My opinion (which is probably of little value given my newness to the situation) is that having both probably isn’t a bad idea, since there’s some precedence for the Telco session in the Ops group — perhaps we can post mortem afterwards and see which format seemed to work better for which purposes? | 19:10 |
| sgordon | yeah | 19:10 |
| sgordon | my only concern is w.r.t. timing in that the wednesday morning session will be overlapping with the start of the majority of the design session tracks | 19:11 |
| HKirksey | I think as OPNFV we’d like some time to spend on our projects that we see upstreaming to OS — both those w/ blueprints for Vancouver and those just getting started who may want some OS feedback as they kick off and do their intiial work | 19:11 |
| HKirksey | Ah | 19:11 |
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| sgordon | my suspicion is that the overlap in participants i big enough that we might be repeating basically the same session | 19:13 |
| sgordon | but i need to put some more thought into that | 19:13 |
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| sgordon | let's move on for now | 19:13 |
| HKirksey | Ok. | 19:13 |
| sgordon | #topic use cases | 19:13 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z | 19:13 |
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| sgordon | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/telcowg-usecases/tree/usecases/sec_segregation.rst | 19:14 |
| sgordon | #info security segregation use case merged, need next steps (gap extraction, solution design) | 19:14 |
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| sgordon | #info BGPVPN use case with feedback requiring action | 19:15 |
| sgordon | #info vIMS use case with feedback requiring action | 19:15 |
| sgordon | #info service chaining use case requires review (no negative feedback) | 19:15 |
| sgordon | ideally we'd like to see more reviews on these | 19:16 |
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| sgordon | (i'd also like to expand the core reviewer pool a bit if we see people pick this up) | 19:16 |
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| sgordon | ok, short agenda this week | 19:17 |
| ian_ott | i'll take a look at service chaining by friday | 19:18 |
| sgordon | i have lots to do to clean up that vIMS use case into the new format | 19:18 |
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| sgordon | #topic other business | 19:19 |
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| sgordon | does anyone have another item they would like to raise? | 19:19 |
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| sgordon | i will try and frame an email around the summit session issue to work out what we need on the openstack side | 19:20 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon email operators-list about telco session agenda for ops summit | 19:20 |
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| sgordon | ok, thanks all | 19:21 |
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| sgordon | have 40 minutes back! | 19:21 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 19:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 19:21:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-15-19.00.html | 19:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-15-19.00.txt | 19:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-04-15-19.00.log.html | 19:21 |
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| iben_ | thanks everyone! | 19:23 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 15 20:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | hi | 20:01 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:01 |
| bharath_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| mwang2 | Hi | 20:01 |
| xgerman | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-04-15 | 20:01 |
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| jwarendt | o/ | 20:02 |
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| ptoohill | o/ | 20:02 |
| blogan_ | crap i forgot im on a different user | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | chair blogan_ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan_ | 20:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan blogan_ xgerman | 20:02 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:03 |
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| blogan_ | you're outnumbered now xgerman | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | I am shaking in my boots... | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | ok, midcycle link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS-FWaaS-VPNaaS_Summer_Midcycle_meetup | 20:04 |
| xgerman | but broken due to etehrpad broken... | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | or maybe borken forever | 20:04 |
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| xgerman | Kilo RC1 is released and mestery is hoping that will be the only RC needed | 20:05 |
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| mestery | xgerman: I lied! WE'll need an RC2 | 20:05 |
| mestery | xgerman: It's secretly in the works as we speak :) | 20:05 |
| xgerman | ok, thanks :-) | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | ptoohill got promoted to Neutron LBaaS core - Congrats!! | 20:06 |
| blogan_ | mestery: is this being organized in a secret neutron core channel? | 20:06 |
| mestery | blogan_: lol | 20:07 |
| barclaac | blogan: he can't tell you or he'd have to kill you | 20:07 |
| mestery | blogan: I am literally juggling so many balls right now ... | 20:07 |
| ptoohill | :D | 20:07 |
| ptoohill | Thank you! | 20:07 |
| blogan_ | mestery: i dont know how to take that | 20:07 |
| mestery | Congrats ptoohill | 20:07 |
| blogan_ | mestery: lol | 20:07 |
| mestery | blogan: lol | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | isn't that the Neutron snapchat group? | 20:07 |
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| mestery | blogan: If you find any LBaaS RC blockers, tag them as "kilo-rc-proposed" | 20:07 |
| * blogan_ copies that quote from mestery | 20:07 | |
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| blogan_ | mestery: will do | 20:08 |
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| dougwig | mestery: i think the radware driver has a few. | 20:08 |
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| mestery | dougwig: File a bug and get them merged to master ASAP | 20:08 |
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| mestery | dougwig: If they arne't on master by Firday they won't make the RC | 20:08 |
| blogan_ | they are merged i think | 20:08 |
| mestery | dougwig: They have to merge there first and be cherry-picked back | 20:08 |
| mestery | blogan_: Cool! Tag the bugs :) | 20:08 |
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| blogan_ | mestery: nope 1 still not merged | 20:09 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:09 |
| sballe | o/ | 20:09 |
| xgerman | ok, should we move on? | 20:09 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:10 |
| dougwig | sure | 20:10 |
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| dougwig | neutron-lbaas driver - i just started beating on brandon's operator API. it keeps getting towed. | 20:10 |
| xgerman | I should have a new version of REST driver and API later today... | 20:10 |
| TrevorV | I'm still having issues with modifying the tests for the PUT updates. | 20:10 |
| xgerman | dougwig lol | 20:11 |
| xgerman | (we need a 500 picture of a tow truck) | 20:11 |
| blogan_ | code 444 - towed | 20:11 |
| johnsom | Controller worker is just about functional. I just need to wrap up the "update" calls and some minor clean up. Currently working on data model issues. | 20:11 |
| blogan_ | i'm finishing jorge's review, just need to get the tests done | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | cool!! | 20:12 |
| blogan_ | which is the controller consumer piece | 20:12 |
| johnsom | It's a bit tricky with the taskflow stuff. | 20:12 |
| blogan_ | err queue consumer | 20:12 |
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| ptoohill | I made an update recently to allow the api to actually run again. Also playing with tempest testing and attempting to verify other Octavia related services at the same time | 20:12 |
| ajmiller | This is partly octavia and partly neutron-lbaas. I moved the devstack/samples scripts from octavia to neutron-lbaas. They are in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173438/ and work well. Would appreciate reviews on that. | 20:13 |
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| ajmiller | Also made a new blog post discussing this: | 20:13 |
| ajmiller | #link https://chapter60.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/sample-scripts-to-automatically-set-up-lbaas-v2-loadbalancers-in-devstack/ | 20:13 |
| ptoohill | those work for me, thanks ajmiller! | 20:13 |
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| ajmiller | ptoohill, great thanks! | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173438/ | 20:14 |
| xgerman | ok, mwang2? | 20:15 |
| TrevorV | (just followed up ajmiller's review with a bot "link" command) | 20:15 |
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| * xgerman scred her | 20:15 | |
| ajmiller | She's not at her desk... | 20:15 |
| xgerman | ok, the NOOP drivers she did merged | 20:16 |
| xgerman | moving on... | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | #topic logo: We like to select a logo | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | #link http://bit.ly/Octavia_logo_vote | 20:17 |
| Mwang2 | Just disconnected, we merged compute and network bop driver and unit test | 20:17 |
| xgerman | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1PvJj_8A6oFRdUN9xAgm9Z8joM33Z7CuTJUzCQn3GoCM/edit | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | So is this a LOGO vote or a sticker vote? | 20:17 |
| barclaac | I think it should be both. | 20:17 |
| blogan_ | both | 20:17 |
| ptoohill | im torn on this | 20:17 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:17 |
| blogan_ | a + i = WIN | 20:17 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:18 |
| rm_work | not sure how a+i would actually WORK | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | I wouldn't hate it as much if a + i chose i's color. | 20:18 |
| rm_work | what about happen | 20:18 |
| dougwig | i think somebody needs to narrow that down to some finalists, on one page. | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | I agree dougwig | 20:18 |
| rm_work | *what would happen | 20:18 |
| blogan_ | well as long as their the same color, i could live with orange or red | 20:18 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:18 |
| rm_work | what about orangered | 20:18 |
| crc32 | I don't like the stop signs | 20:18 |
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| barclaac | I can go back to our design group for one more pass. | 20:18 |
| barclaac | Why not split into "colors", "text" and "visual motif" | 20:19 |
| dougwig | and if airbnb has taught us anything, it's that logos should look like genitals, while you claim with a straight face that of course they don't. | 20:19 |
| xgerman | sounds good | 20:19 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:19 |
| rm_work | I did like A, and I, and also L. | 20:19 |
| dougwig | i was pleasantly surprised by all of the choices above, btw. nice work. | 20:19 |
| rm_work | I also like blues :P | 20:19 |
| TrevorV | Did everyone here look at the google docs link as well? | 20:19 |
| blogan_ | looks like a lifesaver with a trident in the middle | 20:19 |
| sballe | yes | 20:20 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:20 |
| barclaac | yup. | 20:20 |
| barclaac | I like the i motif | 20:20 |
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| johnsom | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1PvJj_8A6oFRdUN9xAgm9Z8joM33Z7CuTJUzCQn3GoCM/edit | 20:20 |
| johnsom | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2PMpzWrmNENemdfNVJ5WmtyQ2M/view | 20:20 |
| dougwig | i was definitely the most openstack-y. | 20:20 |
| dougwig | i like the three prong more than the circle-y thing, given the function. | 20:21 |
| barclaac | I'd go with i + b | 20:21 |
| sballe | I personally think that A looks too much like the designate logo. But in itself it is a good logo design IMHO | 20:21 |
| rm_work | L would look really good if done by an actual art team I think :P | 20:21 |
| dougwig | i like the blues better, though red is more the openstack color. | 20:21 |
| blogan_ | lets put the neutron-lbaas art department on it | 20:21 |
| barclaac | If you want a round logo then put the b font in l with i in the middle | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | See, the problem I have with " i " is its not clear what the picture is... It doesn't mean much to me, just dots connected by lines... The 'trident' is the actual network image for a load balancer. | 20:21 |
| crc32 | red just screams violence to me. | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | but it has a 'lifesaver' around it so its from the ocean | 20:22 |
| blogan_ | barclaac: should we put the a color with the b text on the e motif with the f gradient? | 20:22 |
| dougwig | TrevorV: the trident looks less.... concise. | 20:22 |
| rm_work | it's the ACTUAL icon for a LB isn't it? | 20:23 |
| barclaac | blogan: nice - you've got a career in visual design | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | Less concise? Technically that's EXACTLY accurate, since it has one more line and one more dot on it... ha ha | 20:23 |
| ptoohill | yes | 20:23 |
| xgerman | why would we pick that - we are LB 2.0 | 20:23 |
| crc32 | I kinda like "L" | 20:23 |
| blogan_ | barclaac: enhance! | 20:23 |
| dougwig | if all logos looked like their ACTUAL things, life would be ugly. :) | 20:23 |
| sballe | lol | 20:23 |
| barclaac | I did one too but the team at this end didn't like it | 20:23 |
| * blogan_ pictures dougwig's logo and shivers | 20:23 | |
| rm_work | of course RAX people like it... http://ddf912383141a8d7bbe4-e053e711fc85de3290f121ef0f0e3a1f.r87.cf1.rackcdn.com/cloud-load-balancers-icon.png | 20:23 |
| ptoohill | so, i have a new thing to add to the list of harddest things to do, 'pick a logo' | 20:24 |
| blogan_ | TrevorV got outted as a plagiarist | 20:24 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:24 |
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| sballe | lol | 20:24 |
| rm_work | blogan_: not EXACTLY what I was going for | 20:24 |
| TrevorV | Not plagiarism... | 20:24 |
| xgerman | yeah, please no trademark violations | 20:24 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:24 |
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| rm_work | it's the LB symbol | 20:24 |
| blogan_ | i think it is trademarked though | 20:24 |
| rm_work | we didn't put it on a cloud | 20:25 |
| rm_work | so it's ok | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | Not the LB symbol, just in a cloud, and purple | 20:25 |
| xgerman | I hate to involve lawyers in firguring things out ;-) | 20:25 |
| blogan_ | its got rounded corners though, so apple might not like that | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | i brought that up, but its also the recognized LB symbol in networking diagrams | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | Either way, I disagree with a's colors. | 20:25 |
| blogan_ | anyone not like i) + something else? | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | 'I' looks like USB | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | or something | 20:25 |
| barclaac | Let's vote on i) as the motif bit | 20:26 |
| rm_work | http://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/i/200001-300000/220001-230000/223001-224000/223114.eps/_jcr_content/renditions/223114.jpg | 20:26 |
| rm_work | cisco's symbol looks pretty much like that | 20:26 |
| xgerman | ok, let's vote than | 20:26 |
| TrevorV | So is it 'i' versus "trident" then? | 20:27 |
| barclaac | I think so | 20:27 |
| xgerman | #startvote a, f, h, i, l | 20:27 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 20:27 |
| rm_work | so we're voting on: Motif, then Colors? | 20:27 |
| rm_work | or what | 20:27 |
| xgerman | yep, first motif, then colors, then sticker | 20:27 |
| blogan_ | #vote i | 20:27 |
| barclaac | +1 | 20:27 |
| blogan_ | vote bot not worky | 20:27 |
| crc32 | #vote l | 20:27 |
| johnsom | The vote didn't start | 20:27 |
| barclaac | we didn't start the vote | 20:27 |
| crc32 | #vote L | 20:28 |
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| crc32 | #vote L | 20:28 |
| blogan_ | #startvote help | 20:28 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 20:28 |
| rm_work | so how do I vote for a+i+l? :P | 20:28 |
| barclaac | we may have to label as option-a, option-b etc. Maybe the bot wants more text | 20:28 |
| crc32 | L wins | 20:28 |
| dougwig | #startvote What should we have as the motif? A, F, H, I, L | 20:28 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 20:28 |
| xgerman | #startvote What should we have as the motif? A, F, H, I, L | 20:28 |
| blogan_ | #startvote What should we have as the motif? A, F, H, I, L | 20:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: What should we have as the motif? Valid vote options are A, F, H, I, L. | 20:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:28 |
| openstack | Already voting on 'What should we have as the motif' | 20:28 |
| blogan_ | #vote I | 20:28 |
| barclaac | #vote I | 20:28 |
| ajmiller | #vote I | 20:29 |
| xgerman | #vote I | 20:29 |
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| dougwig | #vote I | 20:29 |
| johnsom | #vote I | 20:29 |
| sballe | #vote I | 20:29 |
| jwarendt | #vote I | 20:29 |
| barclaac | what happened to the trident crew? | 20:29 |
| crc32 | #vote L | 20:29 |
| crc32 | #vote l | 20:29 |
| barclaac | there we go | 20:29 |
| Mwang2 | #vote I | 20:29 |
| TrevorV | (never existed apparently) | 20:29 |
| sballe | lol | 20:29 |
| xgerman | 3 | 20:29 |
| bharath_ | #vote I | 20:29 |
| xgerman | 2 | 20:30 |
| crc32 | L and I look the same in text | 20:30 |
| rm_work | #vote A | 20:30 |
| madhu_ak | #vote I | 20:30 |
| xgerman | 1 | 20:30 |
| xgerman | #endvote | 20:30 |
| openstack | Voted on "What should we have as the motif?" Results are | 20:30 |
| openstack | I (11): xgerman, sballe, Mwang2, johnsom, dougwig, barclaac, madhu_ak, blogan_, ajmiller, bharath_, jwarendt | 20:30 |
| openstack | A (1): rm_work | 20:30 |
| openstack | L (1): crc32 | 20:30 |
| dougwig | pretty divided vote. | 20:30 |
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| barclaac | OK. Let's move onto color | 20:31 |
| xgerman | next we need colors | 20:31 |
| rm_work | I object on the grounds that NONE of the options had an amphora depicted :P | 20:31 |
| * blogan_ uses an amphora as a spitoon | 20:31 | |
| rm_work | that could be a valid use | 20:31 |
| dougwig | rm_work: the vote is over. go over and hang with the hanging chad bitter folks. | 20:31 |
| crc32 | sounds like the use case | 20:31 |
| xgerman | #startvote what color should we choose? A, B, C, J, L, O | 20:31 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: what color should we choose? Valid vote options are A, B, C, J, L, O. | 20:31 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:31 |
| rm_work | wait | 20:32 |
| rm_work | why are we not just voting on COLORS | 20:32 |
| crc32 | what the hell? | 20:32 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:32 |
| xgerman | so I should gibe you a pantone reel? | 20:32 |
| crc32 | which one is blue? | 20:32 |
| rm_work | I mean | 20:32 |
| dougwig | #vote B | 20:32 |
| barclaac | #vote pantone435 :-) | 20:32 |
| openstack | barclaac: pantone435 :-) is not a valid option. Valid options are A, B, C, J, L, O. | 20:32 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:32 |
| barclaac | I got spanked for that | 20:32 |
| blogan_ | #vote A | 20:32 |
| crc32 | #vote blue | 20:32 |
| openstack | crc32: blue is not a valid option. Valid options are A, B, C, J, L, O. | 20:32 |
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| rm_work | #vote blue | 20:32 |
| openstack | rm_work: blue is not a valid option. Valid options are A, B, C, J, L, O. | 20:32 |
| crc32 | #vote L | 20:33 |
| barclaac | #vote B | 20:33 |
| sballe | #vote C | 20:33 |
| rm_work | #vote L | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | #vote O | 20:33 |
| fnaval | #vote L | 20:33 |
| ajmiller | #void B | 20:33 |
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| ajmiller | #vote b | 20:33 |
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| johnsom | #vote l | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | #vote b | 20:33 |
| crc32 | #vote lavender | 20:33 |
| openstack | crc32: lavender is not a valid option. Valid options are A, B, C, J, L, O. | 20:33 |
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| blogan_ | vote for A jerks | 20:33 |
| rm_work | at least b is somewhat closer to blue | 20:33 |
| blogan_ | i believe that is blue | 20:33 |
| crc32 | #vote b | 20:33 |
| jwarendt | #vote A | 20:33 |
| ajmiller | #vote L | 20:34 |
| xgerman | L is pretty blue, too | 20:34 |
| rm_work | it's more like.. a purple | 20:34 |
| crc32 | #vote B | 20:34 |
| rm_work | L is blue | 20:34 |
| blogan_ | thanks jwarendt, comeback train! | 20:34 |
| rm_work | #vote B | 20:34 |
| xgerman | ok, tally? | 20:34 |
| xgerman | #endvote | 20:34 |
| openstack | Voted on "what color should we choose?" Results are | 20:34 |
| openstack | A (2): blogan_, jwarendt | 20:34 |
| openstack | C (1): sballe | 20:34 |
| openstack | B (5): xgerman, rm_work, dougwig, barclaac, crc32 | 20:34 |
| openstack | L (3): fnaval, johnsom, ajmiller | 20:34 |
| openstack | O (1): TrevorV | 20:34 |
| rm_work | damnit if I stuck with L it would have been tied T_T | 20:35 |
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| ptoohill | another blue | 20:35 |
| dougwig | should we have a runoff between the two blues? | 20:35 |
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| barclaac | Nearly there. Stay the course.... What about text next? | 20:35 |
| blogan_ | had 2 of the Bs come to A, A would have won! | 20:35 |
| crc32 | the real blue vs purple | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | I would prefer not 2 different blues. | 20:35 |
| rm_work | ooh, what about both blues :P | 20:35 |
| rm_work | ^^ the anti-TrevorV | 20:35 |
| jwarendt | And A is Orange, which starts with O for Octavia. | 20:35 |
| barclaac | just subtely different so guaranteed to clash | 20:35 |
| blogan_ | jwarendt: good point, it makes perfect sense | 20:36 |
| rm_work | I am wearing green plaid shorts right now | 20:36 |
| rm_work | so | 20:36 |
| rm_work | I am used to clashing colors | 20:36 |
| xgerman | do we need a run-off? | 20:36 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | So does Olive, but no one picked green. | 20:36 |
| crc32 | so. Where is the name octavia going to be? | 20:36 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | that's the next vote | 20:36 |
| sballe | What's the vote? Blue or Purple? | 20:36 |
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| barclaac | I prefer the long type stickers, like the designate one. Anyone have a URL for that? | 20:36 |
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| sballe | The designate sticker is at: http://www.rackspace.com/blog/designate-gaining-momentum-as-openstack-dns-as-a-service/ | 20:37 |
| dougwig | towgan is going to get this tattooed on himself, right? | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | sballe it was purple, the NOT pop color. | 20:37 |
| xgerman | while his truck is being towed | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | we have color and motif -- so we should now mock up some sticker designs? | 20:39 |
| xgerman | we ahve the round, edgy ones and then a longish one like designe | 20:39 |
| jwarendt | Do we need sublabel "Load balancing for OpenStack" ala Designate? | 20:39 |
| barclaac | Yes. I'll go back to "the cool kids over in the corner" and get some creativeness from them. | 20:39 |
| TrevorV | Are we sticking to rounded-corner square background then? | 20:39 |
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| barclaac | jwarendt: yes | 20:39 |
| blogan_ | i wonder the legal implications of using openstack in a logo but not being in openstack | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | Should I NOT design something with a little more differentiation then? Just leave it to your design guys? | 20:40 |
| xgerman | well, I like the Octagon sticker | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | xgerman not sure what you're talking about... in my design? | 20:40 |
| rm_work | I do too, but | 20:40 |
| rm_work | I think we give the art guys a second pass | 20:41 |
| rm_work | with this direction | 20:41 |
| sballe | blogan_: I am more wondering how this will confuse people around the netron lbaas role | 20:41 |
| rm_work | "we like these couple of designs, and these colors" | 20:41 |
| xgerman | TrevorV designs M, N | 20:41 |
| rm_work | let them do the art thing they're good at | 20:41 |
| TrevorV | xgerman just with i's design. GOt it | 20:41 |
| crc32 | An octagon feels like a great to shout "STOP". | 20:41 |
| TrevorV | Got it. | 20:41 |
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| dougwig | sballe: anything that raises lbaas awareness is a good thing, IMO. | 20:42 |
| barclaac | I'll come back with some designs early next week (I hope) | 20:42 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:42 |
| xgerman | #topic Provisioning status | 20:43 |
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| xgerman | johnsom can explain that best | 20:43 |
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| xgerman | BTWL Designate | 20:44 |
| xgerman | #link https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/8522/37400/G4pQRYTCfGjwtGn/designate-logo.png | 20:44 |
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| johnsom | We don't have provisioning status in the pool, health_monitor, member, amphora tables. So, we can't mark them "Pending_delete". | 20:44 |
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| blogan_ | johnsom: htey just ahve operating status? | 20:45 |
| johnsom | So, if I am given the id in the call to the controller worker, I can't lookup which listener to update, etc. because the API would have deleted the data | 20:45 |
| johnsom | health doesn't even have operating | 20:45 |
| blogan_ | johnsom: all that got created before neutron-lbaas api was finalized with provisioning status on everything as well, so we can change it or just use the load balancer's provisioning status as the catch all | 20:46 |
| johnsom | So, I'm not sure how I can get the listener to tell that a health monitor should be deleted via new config | 20:46 |
| xgerman | mmh, if deleting errors out we can even put it in error | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | can=can't | 20:46 |
| xgerman | yeah, the worker should do the delete... | 20:47 |
| johnsom | I propose we update the model to be like neutron-lbaas and add them | 20:47 |
| blogan_ | im not understanding how not having provisioning status means you dont get an id? | 20:47 |
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| johnsom | I still get the ID, but don't have anything to look it up against if the DB has already deleted the record. | 20:48 |
| blogan_ | johnsom: but yeah im for updating the model to be more like neutron-lbaas now, though not as far as having nested resources | 20:48 |
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| xgerman | bloagn: his problem Octavia API deletes in DB, hands him the ID, and all he has is the ID | 20:48 |
| blogan_ | johnsom: how would you get an id to something that the db has already deleted? | 20:49 |
| blogan_ | octavia api shouldn't delete in db | 20:49 |
| blogan_ | controller worker should | 20:49 |
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| johnsom | Right | 20:49 |
| blogan_ | if it is doing that then it should be changed | 20:49 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:49 |
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| xgerman | #decision octavia api shouldn't delete in db - controller worker should | 20:50 |
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| johnsom | For listener we have pending_delete state | 20:50 |
| blogan_ | api currently is not deleting it | 20:50 |
| xgerman | ok, then we just keep it that way ;-) | 20:50 |
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| blogan_ | so the real question is just putting provisioning status on everything else | 20:51 |
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| johnsom | So, API will do nothing on delete call, just pass me the id? We will not be using pending_delete state? | 20:51 |
| xgerman | well, we first need to decide to have a provisoning state | 20:51 |
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| ptoohill | The api should update to pending then pass the id | 20:52 |
| blogan_ | way back when, the original idea was that any change to anything would update the loadbalancr and listener provisioning statuses, and nothing else would, but with neutron-lbaas finalized on its status management, that doesn't align | 20:52 |
| blogan_ | johnsom: currently it updates the stauts of the entities listener, and load balacner to PENDING_UPDATE, if it is a listener hten it'll update the listene'rs provisioning status to PENDING_DELETE and load balancer to PENDING_UPDATE | 20:52 |
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| xgerman | yeahm having state diagrams would be real nice ;-) | 20:53 |
| johnsom | Does someone have cycles to update this stuff? | 20:53 |
| johnsom | blogan_ we don't want to set a listener to pending delete if we are only deleting a member | 20:53 |
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| blogan_ | johnsom: it would be set to PENDING_UPDATE in that instance | 20:53 |
| blogan_ | bc a member is a child of listener | 20:54 |
| blogan_ | and the listene'rs configuration is being updated | 20:54 |
| xgerman | yeah, makes sense and now we need to figure out if we ened a provisioning status on member, healthmonitor and such | 20:54 |
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| blogan_ | i'm fine with whatever, it makes sense to be aligned with neutron-lbaas though | 20:55 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:55 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:55 |
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| blogan_ | changing it right now though would add in extra work for the demo | 20:55 |
| xgerman | we have like 4 more weeeks | 20:56 |
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| xgerman | + half of Monday :-) | 20:56 |
| dougwig | lol | 20:56 |
| johnsom | So, for now just expect the prov status to be updated on the listener? | 20:56 |
| blogan_ | i'd much rather get it working with this, and polish it up, and then fix this if there is time | 20:56 |
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| blogan_ | johnsom: and load balancer | 20:57 |
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| blogan_ | johnsom: unless you've already coded it in a way that requires the neutron-lbaas status structure, then that work might negate not doing it | 20:57 |
| johnsom | I coded it up with all of the elements having prov status before I dumped the ERD. Easy to comment out. | 20:58 |
| blogan_ | okay | 20:58 |
| dougwig | i'm gonna leak out an open discussion item here shortly, since we're almost out of time... | 20:58 |
| johnsom | Let's move on | 20:58 |
| blogan_ | johnsom: we can talk about after | 20:58 |
| xgerman | ok, let's skip to open discussion | 20:58 |
| blogan_ | just to get aligned on it | 20:58 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:58 | |
| dougwig | quick question for the group - do we think octavia will be ready to be the reference for neutron-lbaas by the end of august? just checking whether I should submit a spec to neutron for L. | 20:58 |
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| xgerman | I would liek that | 20:59 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:59 |
| johnsom | I think we can make August | 20:59 |
| blogan_ | does the reference implementation have to be completely polished? | 20:59 |
| dougwig | ok, if there's even a chance, it's better for us to submit a spec now to make it the default. | 20:59 |
| blogan_ | there is a chance | 20:59 |
| dougwig | we can always defer it. | 20:59 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:59 |
| dougwig | #action dougwig neutron-lbaas spec to make octavia the ref impl | 21:00 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 21:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-04-15-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-04-15-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| sballe | bye | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-04-15-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| xgerman | puh, ended in time | 21:00 |
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