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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 15:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hey | 15:00 |
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| lpabon | hi | 15:00 |
| Zhongjun | Hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
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| garysmith_ | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
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| xyang2 | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
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| ganso_ | hello! | 15:01 |
| bswartz | just one announcement | 15:01 |
| csaba1 | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | for anyone who didn't know, we cut RC1 on Monday | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | everyone should be TESTING it and looking for bugs | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | we've got 2 more weeks until release so we have time to fix critical issues | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | so far nobody has tagged any bug with kilo-rc-potential | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic specs repo | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs repo (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
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| bswartz | we discussed this last week | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the advantages, the disadvantages, the possible guidelines we'd need to adopt | 15:03 |
| bswartz | hopefully everyone has formed an opinion about specs repos | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to call a vote, and everyone is welcome to participate -- this is mostly to guage feedback, the vote won't be binding | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: vote via mail-list? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #startvote Should the Manila team start using a specs repo to review new functional specs? Yes, No, Later | 15:05 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should the Manila team start using a specs repo to review new functional specs? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Later. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #vote no | 15:06 |
| lpabon | #vote no | 15:06 |
| cknight | #vote Later | 15:06 |
| markstur | #vote Yes | 15:06 |
| chen12 | #vote yes | 15:06 |
| u_glide | #vote Later | 15:06 |
| xyang2 | #vote yes | 15:06 |
| toabctl | Later | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | #vote Later | 15:06 |
| bswartz | toabctl: wrong format | 15:06 |
| csaba1 | #vote Later | 15:06 |
| toabctl | #vote Later | 15:06 |
| toabctl | sorry :) | 15:06 |
| markstur | ... but I think we should only use it when appropriate of course | 15:07 |
| Zhongjun | Vote | 15:07 |
| bswartz | 30 more seconds | 15:07 |
| Zhongjun | Ye | 15:07 |
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| markstur | toabctl, I thought you were apologizing for your opinion at first | 15:07 |
| ganso_ | #vote Later | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #endvote | 15:07 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should the Manila team start using a specs repo to review new functional specs?" Results are | 15:07 |
| openstack | Yes (3): xyang2, markstur, chen12 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Later (6): toabctl, u_glide, cknight, vponomaryov, csaba1, ganso_ | 15:07 |
| openstack | No (2): bswartz, lpabon | 15:07 |
| toabctl | markstur: :) | 15:08 |
| bswartz | okay, looks like we're pretty split with the "laters" winning | 15:08 |
| bswartz | we should keep an open mind about specs repos and revisit this topic in a few months | 15:08 |
| csaba1 | bswartz: was it not the plan last time that you drop an email to initiate a discussion on possible schemes? | 15:09 |
| markstur | or weekly | 15:09 |
| bswartz | for now I would encourage people to continue to use wikis to write functional specs, and to link the FS from your BPs on launchpad | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | csaba1: I did say I'd do an ML post, and that didn't happen :-( | 15:09 |
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| csaba1 | csaba1: hence the later -- on my part at least | 15:09 |
| markstur | In most cases, the commit message and code covers enough anyway. It's just the bigger collab designs where this would even be helpful | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | functional specs are still very important -- I think the main concern is that we don't want to adopt a heavy process (we've seen it start to get out of control in other projects) | 15:10 |
| bswartz | and also we don't want to give anyone the impression that the "specs" are the source of truth, because oftentimes the actual implementation diverges from the original specs after testing and code review feedback | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | so we still need to make sure to document what we actually did in the various user/admin-facing docs | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: nevertheless it helps reviewers of some feature | 15:12 |
| bswartz | for major new features we'll expect to see a functional spec linked from the blueprint, and we will review it as a team | 15:12 |
| bswartz | some of those reviews will happen in vancouver | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | some will happen before then or after then too | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #topic Asking for approval for bp: versioned-objects | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Asking for approval for bp: versioned-objects (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:13 | |
| bswartz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/versioned-objects | 15:13 |
| bswartz | chen12: would you like to describe this? | 15:13 |
| chen12 | It has already been mentioned in last virtual meet up. | 15:13 |
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| chen12 | and now Bps have been registered crossed openstack projects. | 15:14 |
| chen12 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=versioned-objects | 15:14 |
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| chen12 | I thinik manila should definitly do this | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | chen12: how familiar are you with the progress on this topic in the cinder/heat projects? | 15:14 |
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| chen12 | here is my plan: | 15:15 |
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| markstur | I think it is done in cinder, but I didn't check the details | 15:15 |
| chen12 | 3 basic steps are needed for it: 1)import base object implement without version Like what have been done in heat: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/versioned-objects And, I just upload the first object: ShareExportLocation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173692/ 2)Implement object register method. See an example of registering objects with a decorator here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159577/5/nova/ | 15:15 |
| bswartz | cinder proposed doing this back in paris, but I don't know if they completed the work | 15:15 |
| chen12 | cider did it without oslo_versionedobject | 15:15 |
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| chen12 | we can follow heat at beginning | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | so oslo has created something that makes this easier for us? | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | this is useful when we are going to tag new API versions | 15:16 |
| chen12 | bswartz: yes. | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | for the moment we did not do this | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | with lots of API changes | 15:16 |
| chen12 | vponomaryov: no, not related to API | 15:16 |
| lpabon | this sounds like a great idea | 15:16 |
| u_glide | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay well I'm in favor of the high level idea -- anything that makes it easier to perform upgrades without downtime is a good thing | 15:17 |
| chen12 | vponomaryov: just would help Rolling Upgrades | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I'll have to look closer at the specfics | 15:17 |
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| cknight | bswartz: +1. We should understand this well before making a decision. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | one concern I have is: will this be enough? or is there other work that's also essential to support rolling upgrades? | 15:17 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:17 |
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| ganso_ | I fixed a couple of cinder bugs due to changing to objects | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it will require changes for each model | 15:18 |
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| u_glide | bswartz: migration guide at the minimum | 15:18 |
| ganso_ | it is a moderate amount of work to start using objects | 15:18 |
| lpabon | this sounds like a great discussion for the design summit :-) | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: in simple words - it is new abstraction between DB and users of data. Now models will be combined with methods to operated data for them | 15:19 |
| bswartz | as long as we don't adopt a "nova-conductor" style of database interaction, it will still be hard for us to alter our DB schema without taking the whole system down, I believe | 15:19 |
| ganso_ | at first they may break some stuff, specially drivers | 15:19 |
| toabctl | and it's incredible good documented. see http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.versionedobjects/usage.html | 15:19 |
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| u_glide | bswartz: +1 | 15:19 |
| chen12 | bswartz: conductor do not affect object I think. nova is the beginer of versionedobject | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | chen12: what I mean is, versioned objects help deal with different version of services in the RPC layer, but at the DB schema layer, I don't think they help | 15:20 |
| bswartz | am I wrong? | 15:20 |
| chen12 | bswartz: o~yes. you're right | 15:21 |
| bswartz | would versioned objects make it possible to add a new column to the shares table without restarting all my services? | 15:21 |
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| chen12 | bswartz: yes, it would work | 15:22 |
| bswartz | okay then I'm more excited about this | 15:22 |
| chen12 | bswartz: after read data from db, object would transfer it to object first | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I will take a look at the oslo docs | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I'm going to approve the direction of this BP, and we can continue discussing the details | 15:22 |
| chen12 | bswartz: great. | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the right definition will be essential | 15:23 |
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| chen12 | bswartz: I will not attend the design summit, but someone would attend it in my behalf. | 15:23 |
| cknight | bswartz: Added to etherpad of potential summit topics | 15:23 |
| bswartz | chen12: do you know who that will be? | 15:23 |
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| chen12 | bswartz: I will do more work on this then | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | let's get a name next to the proposal so we know who will be presenting in vancouver | 15:24 |
| chen12 | bswartz: I suppose it would be ken （ken.chen@intel.com） | 15:24 |
| bswartz | thanks | 15:24 |
| bswartz | anything else on this before we move on? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #topic Horizon Plugin for Kilo | 15:25 |
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| vponomaryov | #link https://github.com/hp-storage/manila-ui | 15:25 |
| garysmith_ | The horizon UI for manila has been extracted into a plugin, available at https://github.com/hp-storage/manila-ui | 15:25 |
| bswartz | so thanks to the work of gary-smith_, our horizon integration has been moved from a fork to a standalone "plugin" repo | 15:25 |
| garysmith_ | I plan to submit the change into openstack governance next week | 15:26 |
| garysmith_ | Just have to get all of the unit tests working first :-) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | garysmith_: excellent | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | garysmith_: it iwll be hosted under stackforge? | 15:26 |
| garysmith_ | It will be similar to tuskar-ui, under the horizon umbrella, see http://governance.openstack.org/reference/projects/horizon.html | 15:26 |
| bswartz | hopefully openstack/manila-ui | 15:26 |
| garysmith_ | yeah, openstack/manila-ui | 15:27 |
| bswartz | garysmith_: do you know how ACLs are handled for this stuff? | 15:27 |
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| garysmith_ | The model that tuskar-ui used was that the horizon cores would be cores on manila-ui | 15:28 |
| garysmith_ | So I am presuming the same would be true here | 15:28 |
| lpabon | garysmith_: fyi, the top three links on the github README.md do not work | 15:28 |
| bswartz | so we'll have to rely on horizon team to +2 our UI changes then | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | garysmith_: do you think there will be any problem with immediately branching stable/kilo branch when the project is added? | 15:29 |
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| garysmith_ | lpabon: thanks. I'll fix it. That was from the cookie-cutter boilerplate for new projects | 15:29 |
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| lpabon | garysmith_: np :-) | 15:29 |
| garysmith_ | bswartz: no. I already branched proposed/kilo, so stable/kilo can also be branched | 15:29 |
| bswartz | so we can continue to maintain a kilo version of the plugin for packagers to use? | 15:29 |
| garysmith_ | yes | 15:29 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:30 |
| bswartz | this is perfect from my perspective | 15:30 |
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| garysmith_ | I suppose per the latest message on the developer ML, I should create the stable/kilo branch now | 15:30 |
| bswartz | yes -- no more proposed branches | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | I am not sure it would be enough to have only Horizon core-members be cores in this project | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061657.html (if you haven't seen it) | 15:31 |
| toabctl | garysmith_: would be good to have a bugtracker at launchpad for manila-ui soon | 15:31 |
| garysmith_ | vponomaryov: I can add manila cores as well | 15:31 |
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| csaba1 | garysmith_: do you plan to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/docs/HOWTO_use_manila_with_horizon ? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we now have cross-project dependencies, so if there are things that need to merge in lockstep, we can manage that | 15:31 |
| garysmith_ | toabctl: my understanding is that it happens automagically with the governance submission, but I'll check on that | 15:31 |
| toabctl | garysmith_: ok | 15:31 |
| garysmith_ | csaba1: yes | 15:31 |
| csaba1 | cool | 15:32 |
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| toabctl | sorry folks - I have to leave now. bye | 15:32 |
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| lpabon | garysmith_: quick question... why not part of stackforge? is it simplicity? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | garysmith_: so I'm keen to see the governance change happen asap | 15:32 |
| bswartz | lpabon: openstack is better than stackforge, namespace-wise | 15:33 |
| bswartz | they're functionally the same though | 15:33 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: no i mean the repo is currenlty in github | 15:33 |
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| garysmith_ | lpabon: it is in github now purely for simplicity | 15:33 |
| lpabon | i was wondering if it could be in stackforge so that we can use Gerrit | 15:33 |
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| lpabon | garysmith_: yeah, ok ,that is what i thought | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | garysmith_: I get that you might need to fix some unit tests, but I'd like to allow packagers to start working with the plugin the sooner the better, we can fix tests after it's in a new repo too | 15:34 |
| garysmith_ | as soon as we get it under the governance, it will be under the normal review.openstack.org gerrit processes | 15:34 |
| lpabon | garysmith_: issue with Github is the CI ( i went through the same process moving a project called swiftonfile from github to stackforge) | 15:34 |
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| lpabon | garysmith_: awesome | 15:35 |
| garysmith_ | bswartz: my understanding is that the unit tests need to be present and working before acceptance into governance | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | garysmith_: okay -- in that case please reach out for help if any of us can make that go faster | 15:36 |
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| garysmith_ | bswartz: sounds good | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #topic Liberty design summit | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-liberty-proposed-sessions | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | so there's not many updates here | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I think we have about 2 weeks until we need to make decisions | 15:37 |
| markstur | ctrl-shift-R if the etherpad update makes it unreadable | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | I know some people were too busy last week to focus on Liberty, but now we really should start capturing and writing down the proposals | 15:38 |
| lpabon | markstur: are you using chrome? | 15:39 |
| markstur | lpabon, yes | 15:39 |
| bswartz | I did see a note on the ML that we're getting three (3) fishbowl sessions and four (4) working sessions, and that looks pretty final | 15:39 |
| lpabon | markstur: yeah, that happened to me a few days ago, weird thing is that i *fixed* it using ctrl-shift-R to reload the page cache | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | that's about what I asked for so I'm happy with that | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | yeah for those who don't know etherpad rolled out a software upgrade recently that breaks on some browsers | 15:40 |
| bswartz | hooray for SaaS! | 15:40 |
| lpabon | lol | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | On April 30 we will discuss the design summit proposals and schedule them | 15:42 |
| u_glide | bswartz: next topic? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | so have your proposals on the etherpad before then | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #topic Limited share data API for drivers | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Limited_share_data_API_for_drivers | 15:43 |
| bswartz | u_glide: you have the floor! | 15:43 |
| u_glide | :) | 15:43 |
| u_glide | now I'm working on removal of direct DB API calls from drivers. And this feature is the next step. | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | hopefully you all remember that we talked about this in the midcycle | 15:44 |
| u_glide | we have discussed this internally with vponomaryov | 15:44 |
| bswartz | drivers shouldn't be accessing the database directly at all, but a few do | 15:44 |
| bswartz | so we need to add functionality that allows drivers to do what they need to without resorting to direct DB access | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | there is a related concern that's come up recently | 15:45 |
| bswartz | right now when you do create_share() you can return one model update when you're done (in your driver) | 15:46 |
| u_glide | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Limited_share_data_API_for_drivers#This_concept_vs_model_updates_in_Share_Manager | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | however frequently, drivers need to undertake multiple steps to actually create a share, and it would be ideal if they could make multiple model updates along the way, such that if there is a sudden failure at any point, the DB reflects reality well enough that we can delete the share or continue creating the share cleanly | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | In particular I'm thinking of the case when a driver has half-created a share, and the m-shr process is kill -9'd | 15:48 |
| markstur | u_glide, This is also a new way for drivers to store their own key/value pairs, right? | 15:48 |
| u_glide | markstur: yes | 15:48 |
| bswartz | in that case, then the m-shr process comes back, it should either finish what it was doing, or at least be able to clean up what it did | 15:48 |
| u_glide | bswartz: I think this is another problem | 15:49 |
| bswartz | what I'm describing is a bit of an enhancement to what's proposed | 15:49 |
| cknight | bswartz: In that scenario, would the share manager do the cleanup, or the drivers? | 15:49 |
| bswartz | cknight: it would have to be the driver | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | the share manager does a scan of all the shares it owns at startup time though, so it could trigger driver actions for shares in intermediate states | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | sure driver, only driver knows how to release his resources | 15:50 |
| cknight | bswartz: ok, that makes sense. better than taskflow. | 15:50 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: Igor idea is about different thing | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is about private key-value storage | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov, u_glide: sorry for sidetracking | 15:51 |
| bswartz | yes let's get back to the proposal | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | u_glide's proposal allows driver to store key/values for each share | 15:52 |
| u_glide | driver-makers, please share your opinions :) | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: actually there are cases when not only for share will be some data | 15:53 |
| bswartz | this could be really useful if the storage controller doesn't support 32 character share-names, for example | 15:53 |
| xyang2 | u_glide: does that mean this will make two db access instead of 1? | 15:53 |
| xyang2 | u_glide: it is better to reduce the # of db access | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | you could create a shorter share name (or even an admin-friendly share name) and store it in the manila DB through this interface, and then still reliably be able to find it | 15:54 |
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| u_glide | xyang2: no, it doesn't. Drivers will have access only to private storage interface | 15:54 |
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| xyang2 | u_glide: I see two db update in the new code there | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: shorter share and/or snapshot name, so we need to come to idea of key-value storage that will serve not only for shares | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | it's important to note that the stored values won't be visible to users, just like the user metadata should not be visible to the drivers | 15:55 |
| u_glide | I agree with vponomaryov | 15:55 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what do you have in mind? snapshots? share-servers? | 15:55 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: share servers already has its details | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: snapshots | 15:55 |
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| xyang2 | u_glide: self.db.share_export_locations_update and self.db.private_share_data_update(context, share_id, private_share_data) | 15:55 |
| bswartz | so private driver data for snapshots too? | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes | 15:56 |
| bswartz | +1 | 15:56 |
| u_glide | xyang2: Did you read text? :) | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: they have ID of 32 length too | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is reffering to problem of short IDs for some backends | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | yeah some backends cannot store the full UUID of the share/snapshot, and truncating the UUID makes the value ambiguous | 15:57 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: So potentially you would need to store details for any model object that comes into the driver? There will be others in the future. | 15:57 |
| bswartz | that's just one use case for the feature though -- presumably driver authors will think of other things to store | 15:57 |
| markstur | snapshot details could be stored with the share, but it might turn out better if we have private share data, snapshot data (and of course share server details) | 15:58 |
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| markstur | we'll think of lots of things to keep in there :) | 15:58 |
| cknight | bswartz: I'd want to keep this as generic as possible, since we can't enumerate all the use cases now. | 15:58 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: that is the point - to create such approach where we will be able to easily extend some new model with key-value storage | 15:58 |
| markstur | and it is great that we don this instead of each driver coming up with sneaky ways of stashing data | 15:59 |
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| markstur | s/don/do | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I like that idea, as long as it doesn't get too large and complicated (don't see why it would though) | 15:59 |
| cknight | vponomaryov: so I don't need the feature to distinguish between object types. each has a uuid, which could serve as the key, or part of the key. | 15:59 |
| bswartz | markstur: yes! | 15:59 |
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| markstur | bswartz, I thought it was your idea. Assumed you liked it. | 16:00 |
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| u_glide | yes, in most cases drivers will be simpler than now | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | markstur: just agreeing that sneakiness is a bad thing -- right now you have to choose between that or simply not supporting a feature | 16:01 |
| u_glide | without any tricky templates and not necessarily API calls | 16:01 |
| bswartz | okay we're past our time | 16:01 |
| bswartz | I think we have general agreement on this topic, with a recommendation that it's extended to support things other than shares (possibly even future things not yet imagined) | 16:02 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 16:02 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 16:02:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
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| u_glide | thanks | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-16-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| bswartz | (sorry for running late) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-16-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-04-16-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 16:03:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov | is anybody here? | 16:04 |
| docaedo | hi | 16:04 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:04 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:04 |
| daniel3_ | hi | 16:04 |
| siwos_ | hello | 16:04 |
| mkwiek | hello | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov | great | 16:04 |
| prmtl | o/ | 16:04 |
| mattymo | hey! | 16:05 |
| kozhukalov | tiny announcement | 16:05 |
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| akislitsky | hi | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | yesterday dpyzhov wrote the letter where suggested to cancel our meeting | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | looks like current format is not the best what we can have | 16:06 |
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| kozhukalov | so, my suggestion is to continue running this meeting | 16:06 |
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| kozhukalov | but we definitely need to change its format | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | what format do you propose? | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | and in the end of this meeting i'd hear your ideas guys on this | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | let's start from first topic | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov | it is more important | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Need help on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1444459 | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Need help on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1444459 (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:08 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1444459 in Fuel for OpenStack "Boot sector signature not found in case with changed disks configuration for Ceph node" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Vladimir Kozhukalov (kozhukalov) | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | short: a node is successfully provisioned but then it is unable to boot | 16:08 |
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| mihgen | why? | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov | what is bad is this bug appeard 3 times today on the scale lab | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | i don't know | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | a month ago we fixed similar bug | 16:10 |
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| mihgen | but we managed to reproduce it in VMs? | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | the reason was that a node was rebooted using sysrq | 16:10 |
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| kozhukalov | yes, Nastya managed to reprduce it on her lab | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | on vbox | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | actually any ideas what it could be are welcome | 16:11 |
| mihgen | may be we should run sync before sysrq? | 16:11 |
| mihgen | why would we run sysrq, and not reboot? | 16:11 |
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| kozhukalov | i mean, we install image on a node, we check its md5, everything is ok, then we mount it and run grub-install in chroot | 16:12 |
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| kozhukalov | grub is installed (according to log) but then a node can not boot | 16:12 |
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| kozhukalov | this time is not sysrq | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | likely not sysrq | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | not sure | 16:13 |
| mihgen | do you have that node to take a look if actually there is a grub installed / other stuff saved? | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | it was previous similar bug | 16:13 |
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| mihgen | there is should not be any magic, if data is correct on disk then it would boot | 16:14 |
| mihgen | sounds like data is not correct | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | yes, the problem is this bug is floating | 16:14 |
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| mihgen | then question is whether data was not completely saved before reboot, or corrupted during reset | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | yes | 16:15 |
| mwhahaha | did it run grub on the wrong disk? | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | but what could damage the data? | 16:15 |
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| kozhukalov | running sync before is not going to help | 16:15 |
| agordeev | may it be related to disk caches? we can add few sync() calls in fuel-agent to be sure that we've asked system to sync data. | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | because afaik sync flushes file systems | 16:16 |
| mihgen | disk cache? | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | mwhahaha: we install grub on all disks | 16:16 |
| docaedo | but an orderly shutdown/reboot does trigger a cache flush AFAIK | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: what do you mean? hardware cache? | 16:16 |
| mihgen | yes | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | docaedo: yes | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | i believe we need even more detailed loggin | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | not sure if any logging would help if it's hardware cache | 16:17 |
| mihgen | we just need to ensure that we do a trigger to cache flush | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | sorry, trigger a cache flush I meant | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: i mean we probably need kinda debug mode which will read some data from disk and compare them with some patterns | 16:18 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: did you see what was actually corrupted? | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | have not had a chance to go deep into this | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | any ideas what command should i run to trigger disk cache? | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | can we temporarily at least replace sysrq with shutdown/reboot? | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | google says: echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | ok, i am going to try to reproduce this on my lab, and do some research on this, but any assistance is really welcome | 16:21 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: ok, nice, will read about this | 16:21 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9551838/how-to-purge-disk-i-o-caches-on-linux | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | ok, i think right now we can not end up with something working | 16:23 |
| agordeev | not sure if this bug is related to virtual envs only. Have anyone able to reproduce it on real hw? | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | agordeev: scale lab | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | 3 times today | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | they are able to reproduce, but unfortunately it is extremely inconvenient to do research on their lab | 16:25 |
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| kozhukalov | due to long response delay | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | ok moving on | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Weekly meeting format: suggestions, ideas, whatever | 16:26 |
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| angdraug | scale lab is not the right place for research :9 | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | like i sad many people are not happy with our current meeting format | 16:27 |
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| kozhukalov | s/sad/said/ | 16:27 |
| angdraug | sad, too :) | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | and the idea is to stop forcing people to attend and share their development statuss | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | let's try making our meeting more like hacking forum | 16:28 |
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| bookwar | I would add couple of weekly items which will be on agenda if there is nothing more, something like "hot topics of the week" and "bug trends of the week" | 16:29 |
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| kozhukalov | i mean any news, features, other interesting points | 16:29 |
| bookwar | This will create the initial impulse for further discussions | 16:29 |
| angdraug | I'm afraid this will deteriorate this meeting even further, you'll end up talking to yourself | 16:29 |
| angdraug | well maybe to me :p | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | bookwar: ok, and who is going to prepare this? | 16:30 |
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| bookwar | Script | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: what exactly? i mean it impossible to understand which statement you are trying to argue | 16:31 |
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| angdraug | I mean, if we stop discussing development status | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | yes, but currently we are trying to discuss dev status with couple people | 16:33 |
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| kozhukalov | no one interested in reporting their status here | 16:33 |
| angdraug | maybe we should fix the reason why they're not interested? | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | cause we have plenty of other channels | 16:33 |
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| kozhukalov | what is the reason in your opinion? | 16:34 |
| angdraug | instead of avoiding the problem and trying to invent meaning for what you aptly called a cargo cult | 16:34 |
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| mihgen | if everyone feature lead would report their status here, then we would need more that 1 hour | 16:34 |
| mihgen | and no one will be interested in reading all | 16:34 |
| angdraug | we do have plenty of communication channels, and for some reason we're preferring not to use IRC | 16:34 |
| mihgen | so it might make sense to keep meeting for smaller group actually | 16:35 |
| barthalion | and somehow we use slack… | 16:35 |
| mihgen | when everyone is involved in the discussion | 16:35 |
| alex_didenko | should we move status updates to ML then? | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: what if we focus on those features which are more likely interesting to community | 16:35 |
| xarses | alex_didenko: that could be helpful | 16:36 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: for instance. but again, if it's gonna be broad - | 16:36 |
| mihgen | it won't fly, as some people will be sitting un-interested in reading all | 16:36 |
| angdraug | barthalion: you're right, I think introducing slack has contributed to the shift away from irc | 16:36 |
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| angdraug | still, we had the same problem with skype before: | 16:37 |
| mihgen | slack, irc, skype, hangout, email - of course it's too much | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: I think it's not the main reason though | 16:37 |
| angdraug | despite many calls to use open channels for everything that doesn't contain secrets and passwords, people stuck to the closed communications channels | 16:37 |
| mihgen | main reason is audience. Now it's like for all about nothing | 16:37 |
| barthalion | it's one of the reasons, a lot of things is discussed internally even if it could take place on freenode | 16:38 |
| angdraug | audience is a very good way to highlight the problem | 16:38 |
| angdraug | we shouldn't using irc "for audience" | 16:38 |
| mihgen | so if we, let's say, focus on one certain area - let's say underlay networking | 16:38 |
| barthalion | so when we start to actually have an audience, nobody will even care about irc | 16:38 |
| mwhahaha | perhaps the irc meeting should be more focused on bugs, community/impacting issues and conversations around feature changes? | 16:38 |
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| angdraug | my favorite idea was discussion about what's new in openstack community and how it may affect or may be integrated into fuel | 16:39 |
| barthalion | also, would be great if we could actually move new bug notifications from #fuel-dev | 16:39 |
| mihgen | mwhahaha: again, most of attendees will be silent all the time, as we have so broad expertise | 16:39 |
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| angdraug | still, I maintain that changing the meeting format is secondary to figuring out its purpose | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov | angdraug: +1 for news in Openstack and how it affects us | 16:39 |
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| barthalion | it generates useless noise that nobody pays attention to | 16:40 |
| alex_didenko | barthalion: +1, move all the bug notification to slack, for example. To keep IRC chat clean | 16:40 |
| mihgen | barthalion: I would agree actually, I think bug reports introduce too much noise in fuel-dev now. | 16:40 |
| mihgen | separate channel in IRC is Ok | 16:40 |
| docaedo | One of the reasons IRC meetings started in the first place for open source projects | 16:40 |
| docaedo | (as far as I can tell) was to gather together folks who were normally spread all | 16:40 |
| docaedo | around in different time zones, to quickly come to consensus on issues. When we need | 16:40 |
| docaedo | that now, it happens either on openstack-dev ML, or on internal mailing lists. | 16:40 |
| mihgen | docaedo: again to gather around single issue | 16:40 |
| mihgen | we ended up with having too broad topics at the same place at the same time | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | for openstack news, you would need people preparing the news | 16:42 |
| docaedo | I think part of the reason why there is low participation on IRC is that nobobdy waits around to discuss stuff here. When there's an issue, we discuss on email and get the attention it needs | 16:42 |
| xarses | I still think the goal of the meetings is to discuss issues / blockers / live chat on things that are not carrying well on the ML. Its ok that we don't need the full hour, but It should not limit participation | 16:42 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: the problem is that when we have an issue we can not wait until next meeting | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | we usually ping a right person in slack or skype or email | 16:44 |
| bookwar | I strongly believe that organizing meeting for some community is wrong. We _are_ the community, and we need to organize meeting for _us_ first, and then if there will be external part - that's OK, but if not - so be it. Talking about phantom community just kills all the real motivation, because you start to consider the meeting to be the showroom and not the real thing. | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | bookwar: +1 | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: actually we have weekly news reports | 16:45 |
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| docaedo | what I'm wondering about is how to determine what should "wait" for IRC meeting. This is great for situations that need real-time participation, but in general, nobody waits to discuss things, we just reach out and start the conversation... | 16:45 |
| barthalion | you don't start, it became a showroom already | 16:45 |
| barthalion | people are pasting their statuses | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov | but they are more wide then just openstack | 16:45 |
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| mihgen | we have people spread out across world right now | 16:45 |
| mihgen | we don't have a meeting where all fuel-library folks would be at the same time, for instance | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | so if we focus around smaller area, like fuel-library, and get everyone once a week in a text mode, that might be good | 16:46 |
| barthalion | also, said that, participation isn't the easiest thing when meeting is starting 6PM, and I finish work 2 hours earlier | 16:46 |
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| angdraug | pasting the status if fine, it saves time, and is useful as a starting point of a discussion, IF people are interested | 16:46 |
| barthalion | but I guess it's price of being international | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | ok, let's try to summarize | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | I thought current timing is actually pretty convenient for everyone whom we have (UA, RU, PL, US-east/west) | 16:48 |
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| barthalion | angdraug: it saves time, and makes the whole thing somehow creepy, as it looks like meeting with my manager | 16:48 |
| barthalion | it's not only my opinion | 16:48 |
| mkwiek | mihgen: I don't think there is a convenient time for all our time zones :) | 16:48 |
| barthalion | also, the other thing, people often have nothing to say | 16:48 |
| angdraug | I'll let your manager know you think he's creepy ;p | 16:48 |
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| barthalion | all meetings are creepy when you come from non-business open source :p | 16:49 |
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| barthalion | I'm not a feature lead, so I don't really know what topics I'm supposed to put in agenda | 16:49 |
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| kozhukalov | 1) we are community and this meeting is not showroom | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov | 2) reporting status makes meeting more like meeting with managers | 16:50 |
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| xarses | so something that the opnfv folks where doing was running irc for links, but audio for their actuall meeting | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | 3) potentially we could discuss news (fuel and openstack related) | 16:51 |
| akasatkin | we could report statuses just to openstack-dev | 16:51 |
| angdraug | +1 for reporting statuses to openstack-dev | 16:51 |
| angdraug | if a particular status kicks off a discussion it can be carried over into irc meeting | 16:51 |
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| xarses | this news thing seems not useful | 16:52 |
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| kozhukalov | 4) meeting is good for syncronous discussions but usually can not wait until next meeting if we have something to discuss | 16:52 |
| docaedo | +1 angdraug on discussing something in IRC if it seems like a lot of people have much to say on something | 16:52 |
| docaedo | and +10 on reporting statuses on openstack-dev | 16:53 |
| barthalion | I want also to point out that usually questions are left unanswered on #fuel-dev | 16:54 |
| xarses | and #fuel | 16:54 |
| angdraug | barthalion: xarses: +1 | 16:54 |
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| barthalion | I don't think it should happen, but I don't really have knowledge to help | 16:54 |
| angdraug | that's what I was trying to say in the beginning: we're not using irc as much as we should | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov | ok, what do you guys think, do we need this meeting at all, or maybe it is better to take a break and see if we will miss it? | 16:55 |
| barthalion | another problem I see is that we have too many channels | 16:55 |
| xarses | it seems most people shuffled to slack and have forgotten irc | 16:55 |
| barthalion | #fuel-{devops,osci} should really be merged with #fuel-dev | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | barthalion: in both ways? | 16:55 |
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| barthalion | what do you mean? | 16:56 |
| angdraug | yes, both in irc and slack | 16:56 |
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| barthalion | no idea about slack | 16:56 |
| angdraug | yes, we have too many channels in irc and even more in slack | 16:57 |
| alex_didenko | not sure about slack, but definitely +1 for merging in IRC and removing bot from there | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | #startvote Do we need to take a break and stop running this meeting? | 16:57 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Do we need to take a break and stop running this meeting? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 16:57 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:57 |
| barthalion | but if I'd be external contributor, I'd go postal when someone would tell me I need to go to #fuel-foobar to achieve something | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | #vote yes | 16:57 |
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| barthalion | #vote yes | 16:57 |
| alex_didenko | #vote No | 16:57 |
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| barthalion | or actually… | 16:57 |
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| barthalion | #vote no | 16:58 |
| xarses | #vote no | 16:58 |
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| daniel3_ | #vote no | 16:58 |
| angdraug | #vote no | 16:58 |
| prmtl | #vote no | 16:58 |
| mwhahaha | #vote no | 16:58 |
| mkwiek | #vote no | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | #vote no | 16:58 |
| docaedo | #vote no | 16:58 |
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| mihgen | ) | 16:58 |
| kozhukalov | ok, looks like majority of attendees are for continuing this meeting | 16:59 |
| mihgen | I'm still insisting on having themes per meeting | 16:59 |
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| angdraug | I think we need to fix our openness (including this meeting), not abandon it | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | so, let's make it more interesting, don't hesitate to add your topics to agenda next week | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | time is over | 16:59 |
| mihgen | let's say , one week is about networking, another week is about plugins, etc. | 16:59 |
| barthalion | let's discuss it on mailing list | 17:00 |
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| kozhukalov | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
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| mihgen | thx | 17:00 |
| kozhukalov | closing | 17:00 |
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| barthalion | bye | 17:00 |
| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 17:00:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-16-16.03.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-16-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-04-16-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 17:01:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey everybody! | 17:01 |
| tristanC | Hello folks! | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | heyo/ | 17:01 |
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| fletcher | hola | 17:01 |
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| singlethink | hey! | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackSecurity | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | agenda | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Quiet room, let me go kick the HP people | 17:03 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Anything to add to the agenda ? | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | aaah, welcome tmcpeak ! | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | hi there! | 17:04 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Ok so lets get started | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | I wanted to talk about the OSSN / YAML stuff but I think we’re missing everyone involved with that | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | We’ve got quite a few outstanding OSSN | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone fancy taking a run at writing one, there’s some easy ones there | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #1414532 for example | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | bug/1414532 | 17:07 |
| * tmcpeak looking | 17:07 | |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: is there any sort of guide for writing one? | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: there are templates | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Security_Note_Process | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | and that ^ :D | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | and a template in the git repo :) | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | ah, very cool. thanks =) | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Now we have them go through gerrit the process is pretty painless | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | well, so long as -1 doesn’t cause you pain | 17:09 |
| elmiko | hehe ;) | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | So yes, I’m sure nkinder would be happy if we got a few off the queue, I’ve got one in review that I’ll tie up this week | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder has one nearly out the door too | 17:10 |
| elmiko | gotta say, i'm curious but also slightly intimidated by the idea | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I have an idea how we could extend Bandit to support a new use case in the gate, if we have a few mins at some point | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: nahhh.. they're easy :) | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: I’m happy to help you out | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | so a couple of things for Bandit… | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | first: Magnum and Barbican have put a non-voting Bandit job in their gate | 17:12 |
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| sicarie | o/ (on mobile) | 17:12 |
| * sicarie applauds | 17:12 | |
| tmcpeak | sdake and dave-mccowan were working on that respectively | 17:12 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | yep | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | good stuff :) | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | so other thing I wanted to mention... | 17:13 |
| sdake | experimental - going to a check next | 17:13 |
| dave-mccowan | i need a +2 and workflow on my infra-project CR to get Bandit into the Barbican experimental gate | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: ahh, that's right | 17:13 |
| sdake | probably voting gate after rcs are done | 17:13 |
| sdake | enjoy | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | was the guide easy enough to follow? | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | I'm going to try adding Bandit gate to Anchor as well this week | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: awesome! | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | so other thing I wanted to propose | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | we use Bandit with a more liberal ruleset | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | in the initial gate (before code is opened up for review) | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | fungi: can you help dave-mccowan with his infra CR? | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | and if it finds certain things, it invites people from OpenStack Security to reivew | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | examples of things are.. if the module is importing crypto anywhere, it probably has security significance | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | it's similar to the security impact tag, but done in Gerrit instead of launchpad | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | so, its a way of trying to automate the #secimapct tag? | 17:16 |
| dave-mccowan | fungi https://review.openstack.org/173166 | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, basically for people that don't know to put #secimpact, or forget to | 17:16 |
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| tkelsey | sure, makes sense, if its possible to do that from a gate test? | 17:16 |
| fungi | looking | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, it's basically just a Bandit test… and based on the results of that it does something | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | sure, it's the "somthing" im interested in | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | like git clone a repo of security people review handles, and adds them to the review | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | can we automatically add people like that ? | 17:17 |
| fungi | dave-mccowan: lgtm, approved | 17:18 |
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| tkelsey | it may be possible via the gerrit API perhaps, im not sure | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | thanks fungi :) | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | I'd assume so.. if nothing else it could send emails | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | i guess anyone can add anyone as a reviewer, so it should be doable | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | im just thinking out loud about it :) | 17:19 |
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| fungi | yeah, check the gerrit api docs but should be possible | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:19 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/rest-api.html | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | cool, thanks fungi | 17:20 |
| fungi | looks like you want: | 17:20 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/rest-api-changes.html#suggest-reviewers | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/rest-api-changes.html#suggest-reviewers | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | ^ :) | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | beat me to it | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | ah good stuff, looks like it should be easy then :) | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | so yeah, was thinking that might be a nice use for Bandit | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:21 |
| fungi | probably also possible over the ssh api, but likely not as friendly | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | I'll probably work on hacking something together and see how it works | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | cool, that's pretty much all I had for Bandit | 17:22 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: around? | 17:22 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: yes, kind of | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | how's the Keystone gate been going? | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | you guys having fun with it? :) | 17:22 |
| bknudson | I haven't been following it much due to the stable release issues. | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:23 |
| bknudson | hopefully next week will get back to it. | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | cool, sounds good | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | cool, ready to talk about elections? | 17:23 |
| bknudson | I guess we're waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171772/ | 17:24 |
| bknudson | which is waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167126/ | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:24 |
| bknudson | the check job has merged, though... | 17:24 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170569/ | 17:24 |
| bknudson | so we should be seeing it on new reviews | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:25 |
| fungi | (also, i'm not really here. have an appointment i have to jet off to) | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks for swinging by fungi | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | thanks fungi | 17:25 |
| bknudson | y, here's one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170569/ | 17:25 |
| bknudson | gate-keystone-tox-banditSUCCESS in 2m 02s (non-voting) | 17:25 |
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| bknudson | so it's running now. | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | awesome! | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets chat elections because we ran out of time last time | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Great work everyone on getting Bandit running in gates | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | #topic elections | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | So I’ve very quickly hacked this together from previous elections | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/OSSG_Lead_Election_Spring_2015#Candidates | 17:27 |
| ukbelch | I vote Hyakuhei | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry, | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/OSSG_Lead_Election_Spring_2015 | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | thanks ukbelch :P | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | I wanted to talk specifically about the electorate | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Some projects electorate is made up only of those who have had something accepted through gerrit | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | docs / code et | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | *etc | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | that seems reasonable | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | I’m worried that some people who contribute might be left out | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Threat analysis I was thinking but actually they use gerrit | 17:29 |
| * ukbelch is happy to be left out | 17:29 | |
| hyakuhei | Bandit counts | 17:29 |
| elmiko | the electorate guidelines up there seem pretty good, the last one leaves a lot of wiggle room | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Anchor counts, Security-doc counts, OSSN counts | 17:29 |
| tristanC | hyakuhei: left out people could be accounted within an extra-atc file | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Useful info tristanC thank you | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve left the “attend a midcycle” there because they typically require significant effort to do | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | so who would be left out then? | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Thoughts? | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, looks pretty reasonable | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | I’m not sure, that’s why I want you guys to take a look | 17:30 |
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| tristanC | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/extra-atcs (fwiw) | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, that looks pretty inclusive to me | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | I need to do some reading to make sure we’re doing things the proper OpenStack way regarding how the election takes place etc. | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: too inclusive? | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | nah, that looks good | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | tristanC: a lot of our projects currently live in stackforge, is it easy enough to include those ? | 17:32 |
| elmiko | agreed, they look good | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, well that was easy | 17:32 |
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| dave-mccowan | Bandit and Anchor contributors should be explicitly included on list | 17:33 |
| tristanC | hyakuhei: well I don't know how easy it is, though bandit and anchor are referenced in the official projects.yaml while being on stackforge | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | dave-mccowan: I’ll add them | 17:33 |
| tristanC | hyakuhei: and electorate for such project are usualy pulled out of that "repo" list | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | ok tristanC thanks that makes sense. | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | The only problem there is that our developer guidance stuff (I want authors there to be included) are currently off reservation | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | We want to bring them in and plug them into docs/security.openstack somehow | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | why aren't we putting them in the same place OSSN and the sec-guide are? | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | We can do that, at the moment they’re there because they render nicely but it’s not like we’re pointing people at them | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | I _think_ the git history stuff would come accross if we moved the repo into sec-guide … ? | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Though docs might not like that | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: ? | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | I’m not sure if bandit/anchor can move over to openstack/ now too | 17:36 |
| * hyakuhei is figuring out this project stuff a bit at a time :) | 17:37 | |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, that'd be cool | 17:37 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: not sure, would need to talk to docs team | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, that docs team :D | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: Can you take that forward along with the wider “where should the sec-guide live” discussion ? | 17:38 |
| sicarie | Yep | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | or invite me along at teh relevant time | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | or both | 17:38 |
| sicarie | Sure | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Great, thanks | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so anything more on elections? I’ll clarify some of the text after this meeting and hopefully we can move it forward soon, I want to make sure everyone who should be recognised is (for candidates and voting) | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Great | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so on the agenda I have summit | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Summit | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | I’ve requested two fishbowls and two boardrooms but space is limited and we’re late to the party so we’ll get we get and damned well appreciate it! | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | To paraphrase... | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: Anything going on with docs to discuss? | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | Guess not :) | 17:42 |
| sicarie | Yeah but need 5 min to get out of this meeting | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | ok | 17:43 |
| elmiko | we've got plenty of reviews going on =) | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Anything you need more eyes on? | 17:43 |
| sicarie | Yeah elmiko can do an overview | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | let's see, big stuff currently is the review of the identity chapter | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | pdesai has a review up to split the chapter into section files | 17:43 |
| sicarie | +2d this morning | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | oh, nice | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | drop links here if you want reviews :P | 17:44 |
| elmiko | we are also doing read throughs for consistency on that chapter | 17:44 |
| elmiko | sure | 17:44 |
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| elmiko | sorry, review.os.o is wrestling with me | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | heh | 17:45 |
| ndillon | Okay, just got out | 17:45 |
| ndillon | I also have been reivewing the Case studies | 17:45 |
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| ndillon | I pulled Alice's apart and have somethign I think is reasonable | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | ndillon == sicarie | 17:45 |
| ndillon | so any input is appreciated - especially if people want to take a section | 17:45 |
| ndillon | Oh, yeah, sorry! | 17:45 |
| ndillon | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-case-studies | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:46 |
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| ndillon | And if you do take a section please make sure to put your name so I can give co-authored-by attrib | 17:46 |
| ndillon | (speaking of elections) | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | Excellent, thanks ndillon | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else on docs? | 17:47 |
| ndillon | I have a pull request on the Developer Guidelines | 17:47 |
| ndillon | I looked at the XSS one, but didn't do anything with examples (yet) | 17:47 |
| ndillon | And that's it for me | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, I’ll take a look in the next few minutes | 17:47 |
| ukbelch | I already pushed an updated XSS one | 17:47 |
| ukbelch | are you working on the latest version? | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Is there a pull request for that? | 17:47 |
| ndillon | Oh, I'm going to bet ukbelch's is probably better | 17:47 |
| elmiko | looks like many of the doc reviews are complete at this point, we just have bugs to work on... | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | I’ve only got the sicarie update in github | 17:48 |
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| ukbelch | well, I have never done a "pull request" in my life. I just pushed it heh | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | ukbelch: ok cool, if you still have it locally email it over to me | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | It didn’t get pushed anywhere | 17:49 |
| ukbelch | hmm... ok, wilco | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | github != gerrit and basically makes everything hard :P | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, last 10 minutes | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://square.github.io/keywhiz/ | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | ^ Interesting open source secrets manager… | 17:50 |
| ukbelch | interesting... it told me it had pushed heh | 17:50 |
| ukbelch | wait, it pushed into hyakuhei/OSSG-Security-Practices.git | 17:51 |
| ukbelch | not correct? | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | nope | 17:51 |
| ukbelch | well, there ya go :) it's there anyway | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | https://github.com/openstack-security | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | can you clone that, add your changes and push it | 17:51 |
| ukbelch | yup | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | then you’ll be down as the author instead of me | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | TY | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | ok, any other business ? | 17:52 |
| ukbelch | ndillon, send over your updates, ill integrate anything cool :) | 17:52 |
| sicarie | ukbelch: https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance/commit/d506ea5f173f6d55e108de1107ca1be8601b1c6f | 17:52 |
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| hyakuhei | That was quick :D | 17:52 |
| ukbelch | ty | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool anything else before we wrap ? | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | TY everyone ! | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| tmcpeak | thanks! | 17:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 17:54:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-04-16-17.01.html | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-04-16-17.01.txt | 17:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-04-16-17.01.log.html | 17:54 |
| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 17:54 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks! | 17:59 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:00 |
| weiting | o/ | 18:00 |
| tosky | hi | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 18:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| huichun | hello | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:00 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | ok, so now the liberty is open | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 18:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | our changes have got -2s removed | 18:01 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | not much reviews there yet, but I hope they'll come soon | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, any comment on sahara@horizon things? | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, hi | 18:02 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I've update the event_log change to work with new Django | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Not a ton at the moment. I need to tweak my template editing patches a bit and I'm going back fixing a few bugs that have been around awhile. | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Have your UI ideas ready for summit! | 18:03 |
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| elmiko | javascript, javascript everywhere.... ;) | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:04 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:04 |
| vgridnev_ | i'm working with deprecation of direct engine in sahara | 18:04 |
| * SergeyLukjanov now working on adding gates for images of all plugins and adding gate job to run fake-plugin based tests | 18:04 | |
| elmiko | i've been working on a possible bug in the domain proxy stuff, also looking into mapr config hints, and rewriting the external secret storage spec | 18:05 |
| sreshetnyak | no updates from me | 18:05 |
| elmiko | also writing more topics for summit =) | 18:05 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: fake-plugin tests in addition to full-cluster tests? | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, fake plugin based in upstream gerrit (user Jenkins) | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, sahara-ci will still running all plugins | 18:05 |
| vgridnev_ | it would be nice have reviews here | 18:06 |
| vgridnev_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/deprecate-direct-engine,n,z | 18:06 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: ah, I see | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, we're going to rework list of tests that sahara-ci is now running | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, but it'll test all plugins for sure | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, in a few words - we'd like to move testing of different topologies (direct vs. heat, nove-net vs. neutron) to upstream gate based on fake plugin | 18:07 |
| elmiko | vgridnev_: ack | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, and test heat-neutron-distributed in sahara-ci for latest versions of all plugins | 18:07 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I will write down ideas and changes today and share it | 18:07 |
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| tmckay | hi folks, sorry I'm late | 18:08 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 18:08 |
| tosky | oh, I have few questions about sahara-image-elements, I guess for later (no kilo branch yet? Should we backport the extjs fix to juno branch?) | 18:08 |
| tosky | (Pino can do it) | 18:09 |
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| elmiko | tosky: nice, signing pino up for more work ;P | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, it's a good question, probably yes, we need it | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think there are no critical fixes for sahara itself | 18:10 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: and the kilo branch? Right now it's missing | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, stable/kilo branch will be created at April 30 | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | with a release | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I will create proposed/kilo branch if we'll need to backport something | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and sounds like we need to do it | 18:11 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: ah, ok, so different than the other repositories where the branch is already there | 18:11 |
| tosky | weren't proposed/ branches killed? | 18:11 |
| tmckay | update for me -- currently running through a list of small (medium?) bugs and blueprint ideas for Liberty. Trying to register them all | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, hm, do you have an example? | 18:11 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: I read an email about the process being changed a lot, let me find it | 18:11 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, oh, I got it | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yeah, I'm wrong | 18:12 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: for example https://github.com/openstack/cinder/branches | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yeah, yeah, I understant | 18:12 |
| huichun | tmckay: we can help on these bugs and bps ;) | 18:12 |
| tosky | oki :) | 18:12 |
| tmckay | huichun, sure! :) Some of them are things that I just haven't had a chance to log. But, I figured now was the time to list them all as we plan ahead | 18:13 |
| tmckay | huichun, I would love to see EDP (and Sahara in general) come out of Liberty very polished | 18:13 |
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| tmckay | get rid of the little things around the edges, in addition to adding "cool new features" | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, I'll create stable branches after the meeting | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's move on | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Design summit | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have 2-5-2 slots on summit | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 2 big sessions, 5 small and the whole day on Friday | 18:17 |
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| huichun_ | tmckay: we can talk offline :) | 18:17 |
| tmckay | huichun_, sure | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please share your thoughts - is it enough or too much in your opinion? | 18:17 |
| elmiko | i thought it seems kinda small, but given the state of the etherpad, maybe not | 18:17 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, re sessions, we have had an EDP planning session for the last few summits but I think given the other topics on the table, we can just carve out some time on Friday to prioritize EDP goals for Liberty. | 18:18 |
| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-liberty-proposed-sessions | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ++ | 18:18 |
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| elmiko | i'm guessing that ui and security are our fishbowls? | 18:19 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, we also might have some big topics from the intel guys -- scheduling, coordinated job manager. But, no proposals submitted yet (bps) | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, if we'll not have more proposals | 18:19 |
| tmckay | but I think Friday is good for that stuff | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup | 18:19 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I think UI and security are good topics. Ease of use, and secure secure secure | 18:19 |
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| tmckay | this imho is what people want ;-) | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | currently we should understand that it's not too much for us and if it isn't - than just feel it with our topics | 18:20 |
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| elmiko | i'm just going based on whats in the pad currently | 18:20 |
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| weiting | tmckay, we can add the proposals to liberty session. | 18:20 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: given what we have proposed, it seems appropriate (2-5-2) | 18:20 |
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| tmckay | weiting, okay. SergeyLukjanov, weiting might have proposals for other working sessions? .... | 18:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | weiting, it'll be great if you add proposals to the etherpad | 18:22 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:22 |
| * SergeyLukjanov should dump thoughts to etherpad as well :) I have ~ 5-7 items | 18:22 | |
| elmiko | oh nice, maybe we'll need more sprint sessions then? | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | it sounds like space is at a premium for this summit | 18:23 |
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| tmckay | we could adjourn to a local restaurant :) | 18:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | would be fun to do a meetup outside the summit | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that we all should dump all ideas to etherpad and on next meeting try to align it to 2-5-2 slots | 18:24 |
| elmiko | sounds good to me | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | because at least some topics are not for the full slot and some could be or should be moved to the meetup | 18:25 |
| elmiko | would also be nice if people could create separate pads for the larger topics to help refine the focus | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, sounds like everything is ok with summit | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | who will go to summit? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | from Mirantis - /me, alazarev and aignatov will be their this time | 18:26 |
| elmiko | o/ | 18:26 |
| tmckay | me | 18:27 |
| * tosky not this time | 18:27 | |
| tmckay | crobertsrh | 18:27 |
| elmiko | not sure if egafford is going | 18:27 |
| tmckay | mattf I believe | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | will mattf join us this time? | 18:27 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:27 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ok ;) | 18:27 |
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| * crobertsrh will be there | 18:28 | |
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| weiting | We got another topic in liberty session called "sahara-versionedobject". | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:29 |
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| weiting | Ken just added a sample code, please help to review it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173654/ | 18:29 |
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| tmckay | I was looking at that this morning, looks like a lot of projects are going this way | 18:30 |
| tmckay | I intend to study it more | 18:30 |
| tmckay | I am unclear though how using versioned objects help migration. I'll have to read up on it. The alembic migrations work pretty well as it is. But I suppose it can help with backwards compatibility | 18:32 |
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| tmckay | oh, if we intend to ever implement distributed conductor (local vs remote), maybe we should do it in Liberty :) | 18:34 |
| elmiko | tmckay: maybe the bp has a little more info, #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/versioned-objects | 18:34 |
| tmckay | just a thought. The Local/remote API classes have been sitting there for quite a while | 18:34 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, yeah, I took a look at that, I want to dig through the oslo lib stuff too | 18:35 |
| tmckay | sounds interesting | 18:35 |
| elmiko | tmckay: i'd say the distributed conductor is an excellent topic for summit ;) | 18:35 |
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| tmckay | ack. Implement it, or state why it should be abandoned | 18:35 |
| tmckay | I'll add it to the pad | 18:35 |
| elmiko | at least we can have more discussion about it | 18:35 |
| elmiko | i have to admit, i could learn more about the reasoning for using it | 18:36 |
| tmckay | "By using objects, the code will be insulated from the actual database schema, making it easier rolling upgrades." See, my contention is that with sqlalchemy and alembic, we' | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO we don't need distributed conductor | 18:36 |
| tmckay | we're already insulated enough | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we're not going to run sahara-engine on computes | 18:36 |
| elmiko | tmckay: oh, i meant the conductor | 18:36 |
| elmiko | as for versioned objects, i'm not so sure on the wider implications | 18:37 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I know, mixing thoughts :) | 18:37 |
| elmiko | hehe | 18:37 |
| elmiko | stop confusing me! ;) | 18:37 |
| tmckay | I was just explaining my stance for wanting to dig more | 18:37 |
| tmckay | how much more insulation do we need? is my question. Another layer could be nice, but it could be just another layer | 18:38 |
| tmckay | to dig through | 18:38 |
| tmckay | and change | 18:38 |
| * tmckay has late adopter hat on today ;-) | 18:38 | |
| elmiko | lol | 18:38 |
| tmckay | hmm, rolling upgrades, maybe as in "hot upgrades". That might be the difference | 18:39 |
| tmckay | don't take the db down, leave Sahara running. That could be cool. | 18:40 |
| tmckay | like I said, time to read more | 18:40 |
| tmckay | and stop armchair quarterbacking | 18:40 |
| tosky | live upgrade to major version when the rest of openstack falls apart in that scenario? :D | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ++ | 18:40 |
| tmckay | tosky, as long as Sahara works, we've done our part ;-) | 18:41 |
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| tosky | (nothing to do with HA for sahara-api and -engine, right? I guess I will have to read a bit about this) | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO one of the biggest discussions for this summit will be the HA | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (after API v2 sure) | 18:41 |
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| tmckay | We need API v2 T-shirts "V2, just do it!" hmm, copyright? | 18:42 |
| elmiko | lol | 18:42 |
| tosky | ... | 18:42 |
| elmiko | i'm curious to hear more about HA | 18:42 |
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| tmckay | HA and security are big, I agree. True enterprise stuff. | 18:43 |
| tosky | I'm not so curious to hear more, but I will take what will be implemented :) | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | nice tosky | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | BTW alazarev is working on HDP 2.2 support and sreshetnyak working on Hadoop HA for CDH and HDP | 18:44 |
| elmiko | nice | 18:44 |
| tosky | oh | 18:44 |
| elmiko | speaking of HDP, what's up with the hwx folks? | 18:45 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, you mean alazarev is adding HDP 2.2 version to the HDP plugin? | 18:45 |
| tosky | of course this is Liberty | 18:45 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, they aren't intended to support hdp plugin | 18:45 |
| tosky | but given the timeframe, doesn't it make sense to look at the upcoming HDP 2.3 later this year? (not sure about the date) | 18:45 |
| elmiko | ahh, too bad =( | 18:45 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, I should talk to him. I looked at the resource files a bit -- I believe they were sniffed from the REST api on a runnig/installing cluster | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, we already have a working version with base functionality | 18:45 |
| tmckay | not maintainable | 18:46 |
| tmckay | maybe we should try to use blueprints, instead of the resource-style files from 2.0.6 | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I think alazarev think the same way :) | 18:46 |
| huichun_ | SergeyLukjanov: hi Serygey, is there any bps related to the HA for CDH and HDP? | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun_, not yet I think, sreshetnyak should create some soon | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, it'll mean to write plugin from scratch | 18:47 |
| huichun_ | SergeyLukjanov: ok ,cause we just raise the same bp today, so sreshetnyak is working on that now ? | 18:47 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, yes, I could see that. But I think going forward it would be much easier to maintain | 18:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun_, yeah, he's working on HA for CDH already, so, I think you should discuss it with him | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun_, have you already started working on it too? | 18:49 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: are there specs up for any of this work? | 18:49 |
| huichun_ | SergeyLukjanov: we are currently not, just raised the bp today, but not start working | 18:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, in theory - yes, but alazarev said that exported blueprint from working cluster failing to create the same cluster :) | 18:50 |
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| tmckay | bah. Okay, but that's a bug in Ambari | 18:51 |
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| sreshetnyak | huichun_: i'm not start working on implementation HA for CDH | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun_, elmiko, sreshetnyak is now investigating the right way to do it and experimenting with CDH to write a better spec | 18:51 |
| sreshetnyak | only research | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, hey :) | 18:51 |
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| elmiko | ok, ack. just thinking about better communication for work | 18:52 |
| huichun_ | sreshetnyak: ok, we can talk this topic detail offline | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun_, sreshetnyak, yeah, please discuss it | 18:52 |
| sreshetnyak | huichun_: ok | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, probably we all should try to share plans in a single place | 18:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | like etherpad for internal plans / roadmaps | 18:53 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 great idea | 18:53 |
| tmckay | +! | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | w/o many details, just to now that we're not doing the same :) | 18:53 |
| tmckay | heh | 18:53 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: agreed, that's what i was thinking | 18:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, I'll create an etherpad today and share it with overview of mirantis team plans for liberty | 18:53 |
| elmiko | maybe something on the roadmap page for the wiki? | 18:54 |
| elmiko | ack | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it's too official | 18:54 |
| elmiko | ok | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | team's plans aren't so official, could be changed and not accepted :) | 18:54 |
| elmiko | yea, for sure | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but probably we should resurrect the roadmap page | 18:54 |
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| elmiko | +1 | 18:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | because sometimes people ask me about it and I'm answering oops ;) | 18:55 |
| elmiko | hehe | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the good topic for summit's friday | 18:55 |
| elmiko | i'm all for increased transparency with regards to our plans, even if they are unofficial | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | or probably it could be highlights from team's roadmaps | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, ++ | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, tmckay, crobertsrh, do you have some kind of internal plan / roadmap ? | 18:56 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, can alazarev push HDP 2.2 base patch as WIP? I'm interested in it | 18:56 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: we'll be working on it in the next week or so | 18:56 |
| crobertsrh | we're working on it :) | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | cool, that'll be great to sync our plans and understand how to achieve the max results | 18:56 |
| elmiko | agreed | 18:57 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, yes, next week or two we'll have something. | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, it's currently done for Juno :) so, need to be ported to master | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, that's really great | 18:57 |
| tmckay | gotcha | 18:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for my team we already have it and I'll dump it to etherpad | 18:57 |
| tmckay | oh, elmiko already said that, sorry :) | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | few mins left | 18:58 |
| tmckay | nothing left for me, have to run | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks, have a good day / night! | 18:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov ! | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 18:59:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-16-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-16-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-04-16-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
| weiting | Thanks. | 18:59 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 16 19:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Roll Call | 19:00 |
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| sriram | o/ | 19:00 |
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| malini | o/ | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:01 |
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| tonytan4ever | p/ | 19:01 |
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| * amitgandhinz ball falling off golf tee? | 19:02 | |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:02 |
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| sriram | I remember one of the action items assigned to me was "review everything" | 19:03 |
| sriram | :) | 19:03 |
| sriram | I have been conscious effort to get more reviews going. | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic last week tonite | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-04-09-19.00.html | 19:03 |
| sriram | so If anyone needs a review, ping me on irc :) | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | did sriram review all the things! | 19:03 |
| sriram | *most | 19:03 |
| sriram | :P | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | actually there has been quiet a bit of merge activity so its great | 19:04 |
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| tonytan4ever | I pinged him yesterday got all stuff I am doing reviewed. | 19:04 |
| sriram | awesome! | 19:04 |
| sriram | I know tonytan4ever has a giant patch out there, will get that reviewed later in the evening | 19:05 |
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| tonytan4ever | This Automated SSL patch review will be an on-going process. | 19:05 |
| sriram | cool | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic kilo updates | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3 | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | so while we are on the topic of automated SSL | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: updates? | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | I have been waiting for a successful MOD SAN request, but so far no luck on that. | 19:06 |
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| tonytan4ever | I would say automated SSL is blocked by a partner Akamai SPS API. | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | how are the PAPI updates ? | 19:08 |
| tonytan4ever | Meanwhile though I think I could start a little custom cert testing going on from next week. | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | is that part done, or still WIP | 19:08 |
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| tonytan4ever | PAPI part is done. | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | cool. we should start reviewing that part of it | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | All required PAPI part is good. | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | Here is it: | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168110/11/poppy/distributed_task/taskflow/task/akamai_papi_jobs_tasks.py | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168110/11/poppy/distributed_task/taskflow/flow/akamai_papi_jobs.py | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | these are the PAPI parts. | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | anything else to mention about automated certs? | 19:10 |
| wbrothers | I'm here | 19:10 |
| sriram | hey wbrothers! :) | 19:10 |
| tonytan4ever | Not that I can think of at this point. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks tonytan4ever | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | sriram: log delivery update | 19:10 |
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| sriram | yes | 19:11 |
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| sriram | I took over obul's patch, and I'm adding cases where we should and shouldnt fail out from creating the log container | 19:11 |
| sriram | after that is done. | 19:11 |
| sriram | I'll add the API tests | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | including the workers to deliver it to containers? | 19:12 |
| sriram | and then move on to the taskflow part | 19:12 |
| sriram | nope | 19:12 |
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| sriram | have to start on the workers. | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | almost surprised me =P | 19:12 |
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| sriram | hahaha | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui_: any update on devstack? | 19:12 |
| miqui_ | amitgandhinz: no - ...slow progress.... | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | need any help? | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | or just trying to prioritize amongst other things? | 19:13 |
| miqui_ | amitgandhinz: yeah, i have other things going on at work atm | 19:14 |
| miqui_ | been busy with that... | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | i understand | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok any other blueprints we need to discuss? | 19:14 |
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| * sriram goes to check | 19:15 | |
| * tonytan4ever I am done with blueprints | 19:16 | |
| sriram | I think we discussed everyting actively being worked on | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok im going to skip over bugs as i dont think anything has changed from last week | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | Anything anyone want to discuss? | 19:18 |
| sriram | yeah | 19:18 |
| sriram | on the log formats that are given by different cdn providers | 19:19 |
| sriram | do we just have a base class, and have each provider dictate their format? | 19:19 |
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| sriram | that way we will need multiple pig scripts per provider, for log delivery | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | the output will always be the same (at least for now) | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | the input can change based on the provider | 19:20 |
| sriram | yeah | 19:20 |
| sriram | yeah the output will be uniform. | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | so my thought is have a different pig script per provider? | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | or whatever that part is that does the formatting | 19:20 |
| sriram | yeah, that is my thought as well. | 19:21 |
| sriram | cool, just thinking out loud there :) | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | sounds good | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anyone else? | 19:22 |
| sriram | I'm done. | 19:22 |
| sriram | malini: tonytan4ever miqui_: ^ | 19:22 |
| miqui_ | am done... thanks... | 19:22 |
| malini | me too | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good. | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | ok thanks everyone | 19:22 |
| sriram | see ya | 19:22 |
| miqui_ | most likely will ping amitgandhinz or malini for questions sometime tomorrow.. | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 16 19:22:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-04-16-19.00.html | 19:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-04-16-19.00.txt | 19:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-04-16-19.00.log.html | 19:22 |
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