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| steveg | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 14:02:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is steveg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:02 |
| steveg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
| steveg | #topic roll call | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:03 | |
| aveiga | hello | 14:03 |
| vks | hi | 14:03 |
| amitry | hello | 14:03 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:03 |
| steveg | o/ | 14:03 |
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| steveg | mkoderer, around? | 14:03 |
| ian_ott | hello | 14:04 |
| steveg | #topic action items from last week | 14:04 |
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| steveg | #info aveiga was to take first stab at an RST template for use cases | 14:04 |
| steveg | there is a draft in the gerrit system now | 14:04 |
| aveiga | and that I did | 14:04 |
| steveg | (yes we have a repo, for anybody who missed it last week) | 14:04 |
| steveg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158028/ | 14:05 |
| aveiga | it's marked WIP at the moment because there are some outstanding questions | 14:05 |
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| steveg | right | 14:05 |
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| aveiga | I know we were using these use cases to identify gaps in OpenStack functionality. SO I included a section for those submitting to include known gaps. Should we remove this, as it may be confusing? | 14:05 |
| steveg | so i had a crack at importing cloudon's vIMS use case into this format | 14:06 |
| steveg | and i found it hard to differentiate between gaps and requirements | 14:06 |
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| aveiga | steveg: I think they will overlap | 14:06 |
| steveg | in part perhaps that is the ordering though | 14:06 |
| steveg | in that gaps is listed before requirements | 14:06 |
| aveiga | ah, ok | 14:06 |
| steveg | so im identifying the gaps before i've really defined what i require | 14:07 |
| steveg | if that makes sense | 14:07 |
| aveiga | I had intended the gaps to mostly be requirements that aren't implemented | 14:07 |
| steveg | right exactly | 14:07 |
| steveg | i only understand that now we are discussing it | 14:07 |
| steveg | i missed this earlier | 14:07 |
| steveg | but i think the ordering impacted how i came at it | 14:07 |
| aveiga | I might need to reorder/clarify those sections | 14:07 |
| vks | i have pointed some gaps in the doc | 14:07 |
| aveiga | I'll take another stab at it | 14:07 |
| vks | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telco_orchestration | 14:08 |
| steveg | the other AI was... | 14:08 |
| steveg | #info sgordon was to import existing use case proposals as gerrit reviews | 14:08 |
| steveg | as i said i decided to just start with the vIMS case to try out the template | 14:09 |
| steveg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158997/ | 14:09 |
| steveg | as once we finalize the template we will need to rework somewhat | 14:09 |
| aveiga | steveg: do you really want to do that before the template is finalized? | 14:09 |
| aveiga | ah, ok | 14:09 |
| aveiga | :) | 14:09 |
| steveg | exactly | 14:09 |
| steveg | i just tried one to see if it kicked out any obvious holes in the template | 14:09 |
| steveg | the change is also marked as dependent on the template one | 14:09 |
| steveg | so all in all the quicker we can all provide feedback and iterate on aveiga's draft the better | 14:10 |
| steveg | i would really like to get this nailed down in the next week so that i can put together some examples for the ops mid cycle to work through | 14:10 |
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| vks | steveg , u re referrinng this ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158028/ | 14:11 |
| steveg | did anyone else have a chance to look at it this week? i know mkoderer had commented on it as well | 14:11 |
| cloudon | Agree on reqs preceding gaps; should there be a section referencing existing bps? | 14:11 |
| steveg | vks, yes | 14:11 |
| aveiga | cloudon: yes, that's been identified to add BPs | 14:11 |
| steveg | cloudon, i believe that was one of mkoderer's comments on the review | 14:11 |
| aveiga | I've been out of pocket for two days, so I have reviews to catch up on | 14:12 |
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| steveg | aveiga, yes - i was also out of pocket for a few days this last week | 14:13 |
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| steveg | any other feedback on the template would be much appreciated either in the meeting today or ideally in the review :) | 14:14 |
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| aveiga | +1 to reviewing as it's easier to follow up on | 14:14 |
| ian_ott | i will do a review by Monday | 14:14 |
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| vks | when we will be starting implementation | 14:15 |
| vks | ? | 14:15 |
| steveg | thanks ian_ott | 14:15 |
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| aveiga | vks: we haven't even finished a gap analysis. Implementation is a ways out | 14:15 |
| steveg | vks, depends how you define it, implementation of features from previous cycles is ongoing | 14:15 |
| steveg | but we are trying to take a more use case focused approach | 14:16 |
| aveiga | we need to find gaps, write specs for them, and then get them approved into milestones for the applicable projects | 14:16 |
| steveg | instead of leading with a solution | 14:16 |
| steveg | the latter has led to a lot of confusion in the broader openstack community as to why certain features are being requested | 14:16 |
| vks | aveiga, well i was talking about prototype | 14:16 |
| steveg | and we need to be able to clearly illustrate this | 14:16 |
| vks | as vIMS gaps got analysed. I think so | 14:17 |
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| mkoderer | hi folks | 14:18 |
| steveg | vks, i am not sure it's as clear | 14:18 |
| mkoderer | sry I am late | 14:18 |
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| steveg | last time we discussed vIMS there seemed to be some diverging opinions on whether it was the right scope or not | 14:18 |
| aveiga | also there is no document covering the gap analysis yet | 14:19 |
| aveiga | which is the point of the template including that section | 14:19 |
| aveiga | the idea being that it can be submitted blank, but will be filled in before specs are generated | 14:19 |
| vks | ok will look into that, sry i attend only alt meetings only | 14:19 |
| steveg | i mean if you look at the requirements list for that use case, it is intentionally "this already works" because the scope was limited somewhat | 14:19 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: gap analysis is quite important IMHO | 14:20 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: yes, but we aren't expecting the use case submitter to be able to cover it | 14:20 |
| aveiga | we should be able to review the use cases after submission and add those sections when we have the proper info | 14:20 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: yep, may be we need the document later on | 14:20 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: or we put it onto a different set of documents | 14:21 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: that was my other qestion on the template | 14:21 |
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| aveiga | do we do a separate doc for it or not | 14:21 |
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| aveiga | I think including it is good for folks who already did some preliminary analysis | 14:21 |
| aveiga | but I could be wrong | 14:21 |
| steveg | i think a lot of people already have some preliminary idea | 14:22 |
| steveg | i think keep it in the same doc | 14:22 |
| steveg | but we can update it as we do the analysis | 14:22 |
| ian_ott | steveg: +1 to same doc | 14:22 |
| cloudon | My $0.02: raiser should create use case with reqs fully fleshed out and ideally at least an attempt at gaps, but key purpose of review by this group is to identifythe gaps and match (where possible) to existing bps | 14:22 |
| aveiga | that's what I had intended, but I may need to add clarifying text | 14:22 |
| steveg | #info more feedback required on use case template https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158028/3 | 14:23 |
| aveiga | cloudon: +1 | 14:23 |
| steveg | #info order of gaps/requirements will change in template | 14:23 |
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| steveg | #info gaps will stay in use case document but updated as further gap analysis for use case is done, do not need gap analysis to be complete at submission time (that is what this group wants to help with!) | 14:23 |
| aveiga | steveg: I -1'd with that info | 14:24 |
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| steveg | ta | 14:24 |
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| steveg | #topic all need to identify use cases for mid cycle discussion | 14:25 |
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| steveg | i think it is perhaps too early for the above? | 14:25 |
| steveg | what i would aim to do once we get the template nailed is put all of those submitted so far on the wiki/etherpads | 14:25 |
| steveg | into work in progress submissions like i did with the vIMS one (will probably appreciate some help on this) | 14:26 |
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| mkoderer | steveg: how should we expand the core reviewes team? | 14:26 |
| steveg | mkoderer, great question | 14:26 |
| aveiga | steveg: I'll work with you on the use cases | 14:26 |
| steveg | mkoderer, i dont have a strong opinion at the moment | 14:27 |
| mkoderer | steveg: IMHO ppl that are active in the review process can be voted | 14:27 |
| steveg | mkoderer, +! | 14:27 |
| steveg | +1 | 14:27 |
| steveg | #info will expand core group on telcowg-usecases to include active reviewers | 14:28 |
| vks | steveg, i will also work on use case | 14:28 |
| cloudon | steveg, for those of us not hugely familiar with how to use gerrit, is there a simple OpenStack primer you could point us at? | 14:28 |
| steveg | cloudon, i am going to try and knock something up for the ops mid cycle on the wiki | 14:29 |
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| mkoderer | cloudon: we should plan a webinar for that | 14:29 |
| cloudon | thanks | 14:29 |
| ian_ott | steveg: i can help with use case submissions as well | 14:29 |
| steveg | there is a generic how to contribute document for openstack | 14:29 |
| steveg | but it's not required to go through all those steps | 14:29 |
| steveg | just to review | 14:29 |
| vks | +1 for webinar | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | jaypipes mentioned that he's planning something :) | 14:29 |
| steveg | so i want to cut it down to the bare minimum for this purpose | 14:29 |
| steveg | yes | 14:29 |
| aveiga | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow | 14:29 |
| steveg | we discussed last week the idea of doing a runthrough at the mid-cycle | 14:29 |
| steveg | and then recording something | 14:29 |
| aveiga | but that gets into the weeds since we don't really unit test the use case docs | 14:30 |
| steveg | aveiga, right | 14:30 |
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| steveg | #action steveg with aveiga's help to import existing use case docs to gerrit once template finalized | 14:30 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: btw could you +A https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158215/ | 14:30 |
| jaypipes | mkoderer: :) | 14:30 |
| mkoderer | I renamed spec into usecases | 14:30 |
| steveg | #action steveg to produce cut down workflow walkthrough by ops mid cycle | 14:30 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: done | 14:31 |
| aveiga | steveg: so is that a good segue to the meetup topic? :-P | 14:31 |
| steveg | yes | 14:31 |
| steveg | #topic philly ops mid cycle | 14:31 |
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| steveg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-telco | 14:31 |
| steveg | so the draft agenda i had started throwing together is basically the same as last week | 14:32 |
| steveg | except that andrew and anthony added their names to it ;) | 14:32 |
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| steveg | if others are attending the ops mid cycle please add your name too so i have a rough idea of group size | 14:32 |
| steveg | at this stage i believe we will get one of the small rooms for 90 mins | 14:32 |
| steveg | not clear on which day it will be yet | 14:32 |
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| aveiga | steveg: if you'd like some assistance, I can help you work on slides/content for the review process | 14:33 |
| steveg | that would be appreciated, i will throw up a deck on google we can start filling in | 14:33 |
| aveiga | ok | 14:33 |
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| steveg | #action steveg to create blank deck to start putting workflow content in | 14:34 |
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| steveg | any other things people wish to discuss today? | 14:36 |
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| cloudon | would welcome other contributions to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telco_orchestration | 14:37 |
| cloudon | especially if you disagree with me... | 14:37 |
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| mkoderer | cloudon: we should rewrite it that it matches the use case structure | 14:37 |
| mkoderer | cloudon: and bring it to review | 14:37 |
| ian_ott | we have some telco specific bugs we just opened related to numa zones affinity and live migration, they might be blue prints, who are the best people to engage and how? | 14:37 |
| aveiga | cloudon: I think we'd like to see that get into the repo as soon as the template is done | 14:37 |
| steveg | ian_ott, got some links? | 14:38 |
| ian_ott | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1289064 | 14:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1289064 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration of instance should claim resources on target compute node" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj) | 14:38 |
| ian_ott | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1417667 | 14:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1417667 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "migration/evacuation/rebuild/resize of instance with dedicated cpus needs to recalculate cpus on destination" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:38 |
| vks | cloudon, I have put some comments there | 14:39 |
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| ian_ott | we are wanting to work on them and get them addressed for telco space | 14:39 |
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| steveg | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1289064 | 14:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1289064 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration of instance should claim resources on target compute node" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj) | 14:40 |
| cloudon | am happy to rework into repo once template done & steveg's gerrit-101 or webinar is there to help me... | 14:40 |
| steveg | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1417667 | 14:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1417667 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "migration/evacuation/rebuild/resize of instance with dedicated cpus needs to recalculate cpus on destination" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:40 |
| ian_ott | steveg: yes that is one | 14:41 |
| steveg | ian_ott, on face value they look like bugs | 14:41 |
| steveg | (or at least the generic problems that are the root cause do) | 14:42 |
| ian_ott | steveg: thanks | 14:42 |
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| steveg | i see nikola and chris have been active on those bugs | 14:42 |
| steveg | who have both been poking the numa stuff a lot of late | 14:42 |
| ian_ott | yes i work with chris | 14:43 |
| steveg | ok | 14:44 |
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| steveg | they dont look stalled at the moment, let's discuss again if there is no forward progress | 14:45 |
| steveg | ok | 14:45 |
| steveg | anything else to raise? | 14:45 |
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| ian_ott | thanks sound good, we are planning to work on them | 14:46 |
| steveg | ok cool | 14:47 |
| steveg | thanks all for your time! | 14:47 |
| steveg | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
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| yalie | hi rkukura, | 15:56 |
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| rkukura | yalie: hi | 15:56 |
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| yalie | I want to ask a question about the port-sec's patch | 15:57 |
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| yalie | does it really need a functional test? | 15:57 |
| yalie | would UT and tempest case be ok? | 15:57 |
| yalie | this is the part of the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126552/ | 15:58 |
| rkukura | yalie: I’m not 100% clear if there are new requirements re functional tests, but I think a lot of what used to be UTs should be functional tests. | 15:58 |
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| yalie | ok, we can disscuss later. | 15:59 |
| yalie | thanks | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2 folks | 16:00 |
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| rkukura | yalie: Yes, I think this BP is on the agenda | 16:00 |
| moshele | hi | 16:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 16:01:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements: | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Feature freeze for Kilo is next week | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | If you are working on a new feature, keep it in mind | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis is absent - not feeling well | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | That is all I have | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has any thing which team should be aware of? | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Driver Decomposition Discussion | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | We have been having good discussion on this topic for past few weeks | 16:06 |
| banix | Sukhdev: were you planning to post the info on a wiki? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | How are your drivers coming along? | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: I have been bad (actually swamped) - will try to do it this week | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: but, I am available to help out - | 16:07 |
| banix | Sukhdev: np. it would be most helpful now that you have gone through the hard work of figuring things out | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | feel free to ping me on irc | 16:07 |
| banix | great thanks | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | There was a great discussion on this topic in Neutron Core meeting earlier this week - related to distros | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | The process is being documented - but, in general one has to have CI functional and the library uploaded at pypi to be included | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | armax is putting together a list of "ready" drivers | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | these drivers will become candidates for inclusion | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | Any body has any question or require any clarification on this? | 16:11 |
| moshele | is it the open for review? (the process I mean) | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | moshele: I do not believe it is yet | 16:12 |
| moshele | ok | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | It really is not a big process per se | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | As soon as your driver is ready and meets those two criteria you make sure to add the etherpad (or spreadsheet) that armax will create | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | that spreadsheet or etherpad will be used to track the ready drivers/plugins | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | One last thing I want to say on this topic is: | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | Please share your expeiences with the team - so that others can benefit | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | this process will continue through the Liberty cycle | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Sync and Error Handling | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | manish does not seem to be here | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | I reviewed his patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154333/ | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | This is looking good | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | He is beefing it up - but, not there yet | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | Please do spend some time to become familiar with this - and provide your feedback/suggestions to him | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | Since he is not here to provide update, we can move on... | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Potential ML2 impacting BPs | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura made a note that there are couple of BPs that are being worked on which could potentially impact ML2 | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | So, we thought we bring it to your attention so that you are aware of it and you should review them | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/nfv-vlan-trunks | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/restructure-l2-agent | 16:19 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: second one is about L2 agent refactoring - you may want to look at it | 16:20 |
| yamahata | Is that different from modular l2 agent? | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: I believe so | 16:20 |
| banix | Sukhdev: yamahata: yes different | 16:21 |
| yamahata | okay thanks | 16:21 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura want to say anything about the first one? | 16:21 |
| rkukura | The two patches so far don’t impact ML2, but I’m assuming ML2, or at least some drivers, will need some changes to support trunking | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | I admit I haven’t taken time to re-read the spec, so details on what’s coming could be in there | 16:23 |
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| Sukhdev | I think it is worth for all of us to give it a read | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | hence, we brought it up here | 16:24 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: right - I plan to | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | anything else on this? | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Extension Driver API enhancements | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | This one is in good shape - | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | I reviewed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152759/ - this is ready to merge | 16:26 |
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| yamahata | +1 | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129178/ - is also moving along well | 16:26 |
| rkukura | I just posted a comment on the 2nd patch suggesting to fix the consistency issue the opposite way. | 16:26 |
| yamahata | rkukura: I'm fine with that. | 16:27 |
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| yamahata | any objections? | 16:27 |
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| yamahata | seems no. I'll update it today. | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | yamahata: thanks | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: please do | 16:28 |
| yamahata | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126552/ | 16:28 |
| yalie | for the another patchset https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126552/ | 16:29 |
| yalie | yes | 16:29 |
| yalie | I am not sure if we need a functional test on it | 16:29 |
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| yalie | it's a patch to add port-security feature | 16:30 |
| yalie | it will modify the iptables rules, Muller leave comments to add functional test | 16:30 |
| yalie | to test the connectivy before and after set the port-sec attr | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | yalie: past experience suggests UTs should do - and you can propose a separate patch for tempest tests in addiition | 16:31 |
| yalie | but I think that looks like a tempest case. | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | yalie: Since the extension itself is being integrated as an extension driver, I’m wondering if the changes you are making to plugin.py could be integrated as a mechanism driver? | 16:31 |
| yalie | Sukhdev: thanks | 16:32 |
| yalie | I think not | 16:32 |
| yamahata | rkukura: the issue is the dependency on security group. | 16:32 |
| yalie | yes ,and address-pairs | 16:33 |
| yamahata | rkukura: to address it, security group needs to be converted to extension driver and the sg ED needs to be processed first. | 16:33 |
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| yamahata | So I suppose the conversion takes a while, so for L cycle. | 16:33 |
| rkukura | yamahata: I see what you mean | 16:34 |
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| banix | modular agents! | 16:34 |
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| yamahata | We are willing to work on the conversion | 16:34 |
| yamahata | for L cycle. | 16:34 |
| rkukura | I’d suggest adding TODO comments for followup work where appropriate | 16:34 |
| yalie | I see | 16:35 |
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| yamahata | Makes sense. | 16:35 |
| yalie | rkukura: thanks | 16:35 |
| rkukura | OK, thanks | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | on to the next topic - | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | BTW, L cycle now has a name - and it is Liberty | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:36 | |
| Sukhdev | Our bug czar is under weather - | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | any specific bug we want to discuss here? | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron?field.searchtext=ml2 | 16:37 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:37 | |
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| Sukhdev | #Open Discussion | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | Any thing to discuss? | 16:38 |
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| Sukhdev | If not, we are done - | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | it is good to keep it short and simple :-) | 16:39 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:39 | |
| rkukura | +1 | 16:39 |
| rkukura | Thanks Sukhdev! | 16:39 |
| banix | sounds good! | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks folks | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | see you next week | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:39 |
| banix | bye | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 16:39:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-25-16.01.html | 16:39 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-25-16.01.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-25-16.01.log.html | 16:39 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 17:01:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Hey folks, who's about? | 17:01 |
| rjrjr | \o | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
| vinod1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| timsim | o? | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Apologies for starting a tad late.. totally lost track of time. | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | :) | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | 70 seconds is not too bad | 17:01 |
| ashleighfarnham | :) | 17:01 |
| Kiall | I would have been much longer had you not pinged me mugsie ;) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Okay, no actions from last week - so skipping that section. | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Overall, we're seeing some good progress with the first few chunks of the pools stability/reliability work landing | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Hoepfully, we'll have them all in by next week and can move onto the other issues like validation/old style backends/etc | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | Anyone have anything specific to call out? | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | There is the postgres bug | 17:04 |
| vinod1 | I will have the last of the pool reliability patchsets out today | 17:04 |
| mugsie | not marked on k3 yet | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1425117 | 17:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425117 in Designate "Designate does not work with postgres" [High,New] | 17:04 |
| mugsie | do we think that shoud be k3? | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: excellent :) Have you had any reviews on the current one you have up? (I know I haven't yet) | 17:04 |
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| timsim | Doesn't look like it | 17:05 |
| mugsie | no that I can see | 17:06 |
| mugsie | none* | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | K, I'll do some reviews over the next few hours.. today has been an odd day ;) | 17:06 |
| Kiall | mugsie: re bug 1425117 | 17:06 |
| openstack | bug 1425117 in Designate "Designate does not work with postgres" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425117 | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Have you looked into what's involved in fixing it? | 17:06 |
| mugsie | not yet | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | been working on the start of the record validation stuff | 17:07 |
| Kiall | And - Is it worth fixing until we can get postgres back into the gate, so more issues don't keep coming up? | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | thats the question I was posing :) | 17:07 |
| timsim | Why can't we get it in there? | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Ah - Use more words then :P | 17:07 |
| mugsie | I am of the opinion that it can wait till post k3 | 17:08 |
| mugsie | [17:04] < mugsie> | do we think that shoud be k3? | 17:08 |
| mugsie | ;) | 17:08 |
| Kiall | timsim: we can, it should be available to us, I've just not looked into how to do it since we moved from self hosted CI slaves -> Infra Hosted CI slaves | 17:08 |
| mugsie | timsim: no reason other than engineer time looking at -infra | 17:08 |
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| timsim | Ah, ok. | 17:08 |
| mugsie | and if that would be better spent on other bugs | 17:08 |
| timsim | Seems like it would, +1 for after k3 | 17:09 |
| mugsie | it has been broken a while ;) - no one has shouted at us yet | 17:09 |
| Kiall | Yea, I think I agree .. Anyone disagree? | 17:09 |
| mugsie | so +1 | 17:09 |
| rjrjr | +1 | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Any other k3 issues to raise? | 17:10 |
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| timsim | Nope | 17:10 |
| mugsie | I am good | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Okay - Moving on so... | 17:11 |
| Kiall | #topic "Old Style" Backend - Status/What's TODO? (kiall) | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | johnbelamaric reached out to me a few days back about this re the InfoBlox stuff | 17:11 |
| johnbelamaric | Kiall: hello - i am here | 17:12 |
| Kiall | timsim, how far along is the agent stuff? Since it's going to underpin getting old style backends fully supported again | 17:12 |
| timsim | It's ready to hack on | 17:12 |
| timsim | The pool changes (being able to specify different hosts for NOTIFY and polling) is holding up integration with the Pool Manager. | 17:13 |
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| timsim | But the crappy WIP hack patch I have out there solves that for the moment. | 17:13 |
| timsim | I've had it working with Bind9 for quite a while. | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Yea, that's going to hold up production style setups with it - but for simple testing and dev on the new code, it should be OK with current PM code, right? | 17:13 |
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| timsim | Plus that Agent backend, yeah. | 17:13 |
| rjrjr | are the problems with the old bind9 driver worked out? | 17:14 |
| timsim | Kiall: This one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144510/ | 17:14 |
| timsim | Which basically lets you put a target_host and port in there. | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, Is anyone in a position to try move forward with the plan? I'm spending all my non-meeting hours on the pools/targets/db-config stuff tim metiond as blocking.. | 17:15 |
| timsim | The interface for Backends is simple atm. only CUD domains. So I don't know if you want to expand that to records. | 17:15 |
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| timsim | Remind me, we want to port all the old backends over, yeah? | 17:16 |
| mugsie | timsim: the ones that cannot be done with AFXR yeah | 17:16 |
| mugsie | and if people have a particulr need for others, (like BIND) we can look at them | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Mostly the translation into the "old style" backend API from the agent, to support backends which we can't AXFR straight to | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Anyway.. I'm going to take silence as a nope! Okay, I can try knock up POC quality code for it today/tomorrow.. But will have to pick between the pools/targets/db-config and it - I'd love it someone could take it up once I've got that far? | 17:18 |
| timsim | I think if we add the CUD recordset/record to the Agent's backend API it should be real easy | 17:18 |
| timsim | The challenge there is figuring that out from a zone transfer, you've got to parse and figure out the differences. | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Exactly :) | 17:19 |
| timsim | Which backend do you want to tackle first? | 17:19 |
| timsim | I would think that the way you do that logic would differ by backend | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | the noop/test one? I'm not sure the specific backend is that important - We're wanting this for InfoBlox and IPA so far, if we have to pick a specific one it's one of those I guess | 17:20 |
| johnbelamaric | Kiall: i may be able to have someone help out starting next week if needed | 17:21 |
| timsim | An issue I see there is those backends expect a Designate object, where the current agent backends expect a DNSpy object. But i suppose you can convert it. | 17:21 |
| Kiall | timsim: yea - I suspect we convert for today, and remove the need for conversion later to save the CPU cycles.. | 17:22 |
| Kiall | johnbelamaric: that sounds good :) I can write up the POC, and some documentation around it today/tomorrow and we can go from there | 17:22 |
| johnbelamaric | Kiall: ok, sounds good | 17:23 |
| johnbelamaric | Kiall: ping me on IRC when it's ready, i'll see if I can get Ko (who will do the actual work…) up to speed | 17:24 |
| Kiall | johnbelamaric: will do. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Okay - timsim re the blocking on targets stuff you have, I have the first chunk of that change nearly ready to go.. Just fixing up tests etc.. | 17:24 |
| johnbelamaric | He's working on our Neutron adapter right now so he hasn't been in designate yet but shouldn't be a problem to ramp up | 17:24 |
| Kiall | That chunk is the hardest one, as it's the chunk with all the changes to existing code rather than new stuff ;) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Hopefully I can get the core of it up this week, so mugsie can finish our the API on top of it he started at the mid-cycle... | 17:25 |
| Kiall | finish out* | 17:26 |
| timsim | Sounds good! | 17:26 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to build POC of the old-style backend support via the agent | 17:26 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to put old-style backends back on agenda for next week | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Moving on :) | 17:26 |
| Kiall | #topic Bug triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:27 |
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| timsim | We took care of the only one out there earlier in the meeting (postgres) so I think we're good here. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Well - That was easy. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:27 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:28 | |
| Kiall | No other agenda items today, does anyone have anything off-agenda they would like to discuss? | 17:28 |
| rjrjr | no bugs to look at? | 17:28 |
| timsim | I think the gate is jammed: http://logs.openstack.org/95/157995/4/check/gate-designate-python27/d9978b5/console.html#_2015-02-25_15_43_16_342 | 17:28 |
| Kiall | No new ones | 17:28 |
| rjrjr | cool. | 17:28 |
| Kiall | timsim: Oh, nice :'( | 17:29 |
| timsim | Both the translations and elarson's doc change are hitting up against the same thing. | 17:29 |
| vinod1 | there seem to have been failures around dnspython | 17:29 |
| Kiall | Has anyone dug into the cause yet? | 17:29 |
| timsim | Yeah I just saw tests failing because DNSpython objects couldn't be patched. But it seemed to be installing ok | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | 2015-02-25 15:43:16.592 | dnspython==1.12.0 <-- Version hasn't changed. | 17:29 |
| Kiall | but.. this one has: | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | 2015-02-25 15:43:16.582 | eventlet==0.17.1 | 17:29 |
| Kiall | eventlet 0.17.0 was the one that broke us, and 0.17.1 is the bugfix they released today to fix the issue :( | 17:30 |
| Kiall | (eventlet does some stuff with dnspython.. ) | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | I suspect it's bit is. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | us* | 17:31 |
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| mugsie | they did somehting to dns.resolver | 17:31 |
| mugsie | https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/commit/3de49aef1399594b2cab0652d9ff3976d19b5e72 | 17:31 |
| mugsie | but havent dug in yet | 17:31 |
| Kiall | https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/compare/v0.17...v0.17.1 | 17:32 |
| Kiall | I actually think it might be our issue, rather than theirs though. | 17:32 |
| Kiall | I'll have a quick check after this meet | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | Any other off-agenda items? | 17:34 |
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| rjrjr | i am good. | 17:34 |
| Kiall | I'll add one.. mugsie has taken over finishing the V2 API missing validation stuff from me, I had too much on my plate ;) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | So - exepect that to land soon ;) | 17:34 |
| mugsie | yay? | 17:35 |
| mugsie | -_- | 17:35 |
| Kiall | No pressure. | 17:35 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:35 |
| timsim | Nice. Need that pretty bad | 17:35 |
| Kiall | vinod1 / johnbelamaric / timsim / anyone else - anything else before we call it a day? | 17:36 |
| mugsie | timsim: tell me about it | 17:36 |
| johnbelamaric | Kiall: nothign from me | 17:36 |
| vinod1 | nothing from me | 17:36 |
| mugsie | I am good | 17:36 |
| Kiall | Okay - Let's call it so :) Thanks all, see you in #openstack-dns ;) | 17:37 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 17:37:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-25-17.01.html | 17:37 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-25-17.01.txt | 17:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-25-17.01.log.html | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:37 |
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| amrith | that was a quick meeting! | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | ha | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 18:01:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
| nshah | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Hopefully, I have the right channel this time :) | 18:01 |
| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
| edmondk | o/ | 18:01 |
| jodah | o/ | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
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| sushilkm | (H) | 18:02 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda for the meeting at: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_February_25_2015 | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update: | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Thanks to folks for the reviews. | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | This week's overall numbers look a lot like last week's. | 18:03 |
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| sushilkm | it seems that all have now picked up the pace at reviews, which is like awesome | 18:04 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:04 |
| amrith | george is late. he buys drinks for all next week. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | Still around ~125 reviews a week. | 18:05 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:05 |
| vkmc | I've been away this last couple of days, sorry about it | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | Not meant to point any fingers. | 18:05 |
| georgelorch | next round on /me | 18:05 |
| vkmc | not at all :) | 18:06 |
| vkmc | its a good incentive for me! | 18:06 |
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| SlickNik | On average, we've got ~2 changes come in a day, but only ~1 merge per day on average, so we're still in the build phase. | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | i.e. the number of changes to reviews will have an upward trend. | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | Don't want to spend too much time on this — we've got a packed agenda. | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | So I'm going to keep moving unless there are specific questions. | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | #topic Need reviewers for 157140 | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157140/ | 18:08 |
| amrith | goal: to clearly identify stable, and experimental strategies and guest agents (also technical preview for guest agents) | 18:08 |
| amrith | outstanding issues with this review. | 18:08 |
| amrith | should "stable" be called out explicitly. | 18:09 |
| amrith | two points of view | 18:09 |
| amrith | stable should be implicit | 18:09 |
| amrith | stable should be explicit | 18:09 |
| amrith | there's no right answer | 18:09 |
| amrith | let's pick one and roll. | 18:09 |
| dougshelley66 | i say make it explicit | 18:09 |
| amrith | I don't see any other major comment on the review. | 18:09 |
| amrith | I agree with the make it explicit theme | 18:09 |
| amrith | we have "explicit" naming for things like OS releases | 18:09 |
| amrith | "Generally Available" | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | I'm in the first camp for two reasons: | 18:09 |
| amrith | also in the future when something goes stable, we want to be explicit about it | 18:10 |
| amrith | not just "drop experimental" | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | 1. It's implicit in all of the rest of the codebase — trove.taskmanager is not trove.stable.taskmanager | 18:10 |
| amrith | we don't have a notion of a task manager other than stable. | 18:10 |
| amrith | so it is not implicit | 18:11 |
| amrith | it is the only option. | 18:11 |
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| amrith | implicit or explicit can only make sense if there is a choice | 18:11 |
| amrith | which there isn't for taskmanager | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | How about extensions? | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | Same argument | 18:11 |
| amrith | happy to make those stable and experimental as well | 18:11 |
| amrith | the scope of the blueprint is still open for discussion | 18:12 |
| amrith | happy to add extensions as well | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Also another reason: 2. It would help with backwards compatibility, so that the module nomenclature of the stable pieces of the code do not have to change. | 18:12 |
| amrith | if that's the suggestion. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | No, the suggestion is to leave things that are stable the way they're currently named. | 18:12 |
| amrith | so, as best as I can tell there is no change that anyone has to make | 18:12 |
| amrith | if they use the default trove config (common/cfg.py) | 18:12 |
| amrith | then it is all taken care of | 18:12 |
| edmondk | It kinds of reminds me of something in beta vs not. When you release software you just remove the beta (experimental) off the name | 18:13 |
| amrith | not true edmondk ... You call it "Generally Available" | 18:13 |
| edmondk | ? gmail no longer has the name beta next to its name | 18:13 |
| edmondk | as an example | 18:13 |
| edmondk | it doesn't say Stable Gmail | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | Trove guest confs would need to changs since the module of the same datastore manager is now different though — "trove.guestagent.datastore.mysql" would change to be "trove.guestagent.datastore.stable.mysql" in that case. | 18:14 |
| amrith | what of operating systems? | 18:14 |
| amrith | alpha, beta, GA? | 18:14 |
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| edmondk | there is Windows 8 RC, then after that it is just Windows 8 | 18:14 |
| amrith | SlickNik, not unless you have a non-default config file | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | amrith: no I know who deploys trove use a default config file in production. | 18:15 |
| edmondk | if you don't use stable then nothing has to change with mysql | 18:15 |
| sushilkm | A system is created to be stable .... and any experimental work needs to be expilicitly specified that it is experimental ... but a system is just named as a system and not as stable system | 18:15 |
| amrith | so let's decide. | 18:16 |
| amrith | you aren't going to convince me that dropping the name is a better option | 18:16 |
| vkmc | I'd say we should assume things not marked as unstable are stable | 18:17 |
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| sushilkm | [vkmc] +1 and thats what we assume today with trove | 18:17 |
| amrith | why not the other way around? things not marked stable are experimental? | 18:17 |
| sushilkm | whatever we have is stable | 18:17 |
| amrith | after all, we'd like more things to be stable, right? | 18:18 |
| edmondk | +1 vote for not using stable | 18:18 |
| vkmc | forewarned is forearmed | 18:18 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: Because we're trying to signal what's untested, and not what's tested. | 18:18 |
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| vkmc | SlickNik, +1 | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | (besides the other couple of reasons above) | 18:19 |
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| amrith | so would you like me to move percona and mariadb to experimental? | 18:19 |
| sushilkm | and thats what we decided at meet that we need to come up with a proposal to make someone understand what is not stable with trove | 18:19 |
| sushilkm | +1 slicknik | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | amrith: We don't have a percona / mariadb datastore. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | (as yet) | 18:19 |
| amrith | I do in my sandbox | 18:19 |
| amrith | they just import the mysql one | 18:20 |
| amrith | but they sit in an experimental directory | 18:20 |
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| SlickNik | You can mark your sandbox any way you'd like :) | 18:20 |
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| amrith | my question was whether you want that change sent for review | 18:20 |
| vkmc | we should stick to what is in the code base right now and make new changes go through an experimental period | 18:21 |
| vkmc | well, IMO | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: Unless that (maria/percona) was added as a separate BP, and we had a test job testing it — I don't think we need to change anything there. | 18:22 |
| amrith | ok, in the interest of time, could I have a decision | 18:23 |
| amrith | drop stable | 18:23 |
| amrith | OK | 18:23 |
| amrith | what else? | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | Was there anything else you wanted to discuss as part of this topic? | 18:24 |
| dougshelley66 | so what is the decision? | 18:24 |
| peterstac | what I'm reading is to drop stable, keep experimental, correct? | 18:25 |
| amrith | and technical preview | 18:25 |
| peterstac | right | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | Drop the stable nomenclature, and keep experimental and tech preview — correct. | 18:25 |
| vkmc | cool | 18:25 |
| dougshelley66 | ok thx | 18:25 |
| amrith | ok, done | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | #topic Discuss 147908 | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147908/ | 18:26 |
| dougshelley66 | i believe that is mine? | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | dougshelley66: yes, go for it | 18:26 |
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| dougshelley66 | Disclaimer - if we discussed this at mid-cycle and I forgot the discussion, I pre-apologize :) | 18:27 |
| dougshelley66 | so you will notice a small novel that I wrote in the review as the last comment | 18:27 |
| dougshelley66 | i'm just looking for some guidance on how we want to proceed | 18:27 |
| dougshelley66 | i belive my proposal is to allow for a guest to re-render a config.template and have a running guest determine its datadir by querying a db specific conf file or option | 18:28 |
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| dougshelley66 | i'm trying to avoid going off and doing all the coding only to find out the chosen impl isn't acceptable | 18:31 |
| * SlickNik thinks about this a bit. | 18:32 | |
| SlickNik | So currently we have a value in the trove-guest.conf that drives the datastore location, right? | 18:32 |
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| dougshelley66 | not really | 18:32 |
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| dougshelley66 | it is in multiple placed depending on the datastore | 18:32 |
| dougshelley66 | so there is the mount_point - which is supposed to be configurable but really isn't | 18:33 |
| dougshelley66 | some datastores (e.g. mysql) have the datadir hardcoded in config.template | 18:33 |
| dougshelley66 | so if you change the mount_point you would be in trouble if you didn't change the template | 18:33 |
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| dougshelley66 | mongodb has a mount_point conf option but overrides it with a hardcoded value | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | I wonder if it makes more sense to drive the datastore conf based on the guestagent.conf instead of the other way around. | 18:34 |
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| dougshelley66 | that could make sense - what about the config template? | 18:36 |
| dougshelley66 | do the 2 phase rendering? | 18:36 |
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| SlickNik | I'm wondering if that's the only way to achieve this. | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | We might have to do that if needed. | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | Not sure I understand the alternatives to this approach though. | 18:38 |
| dougshelley66 | we still may have an issue with different guest OS i think | 18:39 |
| dougshelley66 | that was my postgresql example | 18:39 |
| vkmc | hm, its a tricky one | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Good point. I don't think this is something that we will be able to decide at this meeting. Can we take this offline, discuss the solution, and come up with a proposal to move forward? I can work with you on this one. | 18:41 |
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| dougshelley66 | sounds good -thx | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | Thanks dougshelley66! | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | #topic Discuss 136918 | 18:41 |
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| schang | ok ... | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147908/ | 18:42 |
| schang | SlickNik, in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136918/, there's a discussion under point #3 of the Guest Agent section. Can you elaborate your comment? See also amrith's comment after yours. | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | #undo | 18:42 |
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| schang | I think the whole point of this guest agent separation initiative is to cut the ties between the guest agent and trove core. | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136918/ | 18:42 |
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| schang | And I believe we need to duplicate some trove core code into the guestagent in order to achieve this outcome. | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | schang: I thought we discussed at the mid-cycle that we didn't want to cut ties and move the guest to a separate repo. | 18:43 |
| schang | Yes I remember that. | 18:44 |
| dougshelley66 | right not a separate repo but a separate module | 18:44 |
| dougshelley66 | unless we now don't think that is worth the effort | 18:44 |
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| schang | I think we're just not separating the guest to it's own repo. | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | schang: One of the purposes was to be able to build the guestagents independently of the rest of the trove server components. | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | So the common code (common to the guest and the server components) will live in trove/common | 18:45 |
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| SlickNik | when we build the server components, the modules included will be trove.common, trove.taskmanager, trove.conductor, etc. | 18:46 |
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| SlickNik | for the guestagents, the package would look like trove.common, trove.guestagent.* | 18:46 |
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| SlickNik | trove.common might have some libs that are server specific, or guest-specific, and that's okay. | 18:47 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, i think that sounds right | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | That saves us from going down the path of having a troveguest/common and a (potentially) troveserver/common | 18:48 |
| dougshelley66 | right that is the copying code thing which we should try to avoid | 18:49 |
| dougshelley66 | actually strike my last comment | 18:49 |
| dougshelley66 | except the "right" part | 18:49 |
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| schang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119425/12/troveguest/datastore/mongodb/manager.py,cm | 18:50 |
| schang | SlickNik, so are you saying we shouldn't turn trove.guestagent into troveguest? | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | No, we should definitely do that. | 18:51 |
| peterstac | is this what's being proposed: | 18:51 |
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| edmondk | wouldn't we then want to move common to common | 18:52 |
| edmondk | up a directory | 18:52 |
| dougshelley66 | yes | 18:52 |
| dougshelley66 | i assume "from common import operating_system" | 18:52 |
| dougshelley66 | or from trovecommon.... | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | edmondk / dougshelley66: yes | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | I'd prefer the former — that's what we have today. | 18:53 |
| dougshelley66 | so at the top level it would be: | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | i.e. "from common import operating_system" | 18:53 |
| dougshelley66 | common | 18:53 |
| dougshelley66 | trove | 18:53 |
| dougshelley66 | troveguest | 18:53 |
| dougshelley66 | is that correct? | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | yes. | 18:53 |
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| edmondk | yes that's what I would assume | 18:53 |
| dougshelley66 | ok simon does this make sense | 18:54 |
| edmondk | this patch will probably touch almost every file I am guessing | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | Can we clarify this further offline — there's still a couple of items, and we should move on in the interest of time. | 18:54 |
| edmondk | if you move common | 18:54 |
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| peterstac | edmondk: yes, probably | 18:54 |
| edmondk | wondering if there is any way to tackle it besides one giant patch | 18:54 |
| vkmc | maybe it could help to set up an etherpad and clarify the structure | 18:54 |
| edmondk | possibly not | 18:55 |
| schang | Just want to make sure wr're on the same page ... | 18:55 |
| schang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136918/5/specs/kilo/moving-trove-guestagent.rst | 18:55 |
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| schang | You're talking about the structure I mentioned on the third comment right? | 18:55 |
| edmondk | yes | 18:55 |
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| edmondk | needs to say we will move trove.common up a directory to a stand alone directory common | 18:56 |
| schang | I also made a comment on the thread ... the last one. | 18:56 |
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| schang | I looked at other projects briefly, and I don;t think I've seen such "common" directory structure. | 18:56 |
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| SlickNik | schang: Let's continue to talk about this after the meeting. | 18:57 |
| schang | SlickNik: ok | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | move on to at least touch upon the other topics for now. | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove Liberty Mid Cycle Sprint -- Initial planning | 18:57 |
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| SlickNik | #link http://doodle.com/candscrt36hg38a7 | 18:58 |
| amrith | I requested that SlickNik | 18:58 |
| amrith | was wondering when we could close the poll | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | amrith wanted to have at least a good majority of folks voting on the poll before I close it. | 18:58 |
| peterstac | not a lot of people have voted yet ... | 18:58 |
| peterstac | maybe everyone here could do it now? | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | So folks, please vote on which week in Aug works best for the Trove Liberty Mid-Cycle sprint | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: +1 that or soon after the meeting. | 19:00 |
| amrith | so, I would like to plan some things around that date | 19:00 |
| amrith | and would like to know when you feel that we can close the poll | 19:00 |
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| SlickNik | Hoping to close it by next week, so that I can follow up on location as well. | 19:01 |
| amrith | ok, thanks | 19:01 |
| amrith | let's move on | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | #topic Needed reviewers for Vertica work | 19:01 |
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| sushilkm | Thats mine | 19:01 |
| sushilkm | I just wanted to request everyone to review the vertica work | 19:02 |
| sushilkm | :) | 19:02 |
| dougshelley66 | so if someone wanted actually run this code to review, is that possible | 19:03 |
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| amrith | and are there instructions showing how to do that | 19:03 |
| SlickNik | Okay, sushilkm but in general I'd prefer not to add agenda items for just reviews — it makes sense if there's a discussion regarding the reviews that needs visibility. | 19:03 |
| * SlickNik is afraid that meetings will turn into "please review patch X" | 19:04 | |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, +1 | 19:04 |
| sushilkm | point taken ... | 19:04 |
| SlickNik | We're running overtime — let's take any discussion in progress to #openstack-trove. | 19:05 |
| amrith | All, I've pushed a new patchset with no 'stable' qualifier. Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157140/ | 19:05 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:05 | |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 19:05 |
| sushilkm | i just wanted to get the attention of reviewers on the patchset so that i could move forward :) | 19:05 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 25 19:05:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:05 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-25-18.01.html | 19:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-25-18.01.txt | 19:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-25-18.01.log.html | 19:05 |
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| vkmc | thanks :) | 19:05 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Thanks! Will take a look today. | 19:06 |
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| xgerman | Hi | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | hi | 20:01 |
| sballe__ | xgerman: inthis channel? ;-) | 20:01 |
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| sballe__ | hi | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 25 20:01:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| mwang2 | hi | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:01 |
| Aish | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:01 |
| rm_mobile | o/ | 20:01 |
| jwarendt | o/ | 20:01 |
| sballe__ | o/ | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | yeah rm_work said RAX might be delayed | 20:01 |
| barclaac | \o/ | 20:01 |
| rm_mobile | I'm currently riding in blogan's truck | 20:01 |
| rm_mobile | Can relay :) | 20:02 |
| johnsom | Oh no, towed again? | 20:02 |
| xgerman | I was afraid you guys got towed again | 20:02 |
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| rm_mobile | Lol | 20:02 |
| johnsom | You all had to take him out to get it? | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:02 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:02 |
| rm_mobile | Fortunately not, lol | 20:02 |
| xgerman | anyhow, you guys are close? | 20:03 |
| johnsom | We can always give status updates and let them catch up | 20:04 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:04 | |
| xgerman | yep, was moving on to that ;-) | 20:04 |
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| johnsom | Controller worker is progressing. A bit slower than I had hoped, but moving forward. It does build an amp instance. | 20:05 |
| xgerman | johnsom? mwang? | 20:05 |
| xgerman | hooray!! | 20:05 |
| johnsom | german worked on the networking tasks this week | 20:05 |
| xgerman | :-) | 20:05 |
| mwang2 | health manager database model is on review, health manager service is wip | 20:06 |
| rm_mobile | I don't think anyone in the group with me has anything for Octavia... We've been working mostly on neutron-lbaas this sprint | 20:06 |
| xgerman | yeah, I figured | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Yeah, a lot of good stuff for LBaaS v2 | 20:06 |
| xgerman | +++ | 20:07 |
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| sballe__ | I have a couple of questions around the Amphora driver which I believe is this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144348/ | 20:07 |
| sballe__ | but will keep that to open discussions | 20:07 |
| xgerman | ok, cool | 20:07 |
| xgerman | rm_work are you guys close or should we do some other topic (next one needs blogan) | 20:08 |
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| johnsom | Don't encourage him to get a ticket too..... | 20:08 |
| xgerman | ok, will do the other topic | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | #topic Mention other taskflow/serviceVM efforts | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mention other taskflow/serviceVM efforts (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:08 | |
| rm_mobile | We're back | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | blogan walked in right now | 20:08 |
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| blogan | im back | 20:08 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | At his desk | 20:08 |
| xgerman | ok cool | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | the stuff now is more informational: | 20:09 |
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| ptoohill | o\ | 20:09 |
| xgerman | Cue - jas some flows they like to donate to oslo for starting vms, plugging network, etc: | 20:10 |
| xgerman | #link https://github.com/stackforge/cue/tree/master/os_tasklib | 20:10 |
| xgerman | we have permission yo borrow/use/etc. | 20:10 |
| blogan | ah awesome | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | and I think akanda is moving there, too -- | 20:11 |
| blogan | yeah i think so too | 20:11 |
| xgerman | I am hoping to have more info next meeting | 20:11 |
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| sballe__ | Oh BTW I talked to markmclain and he says Akanda should be ready for us to use. http://www.akanda.io/ | 20:11 |
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| sballe__ | He is gettign a demo ready to show us how it could speed up octavia developement | 20:12 |
| blogan | sweet | 20:12 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:12 |
| blogan | is it configurable to meet our needs though, thats the main question | 20:12 |
| barclaac | we'll find out on Friday | 20:12 |
| blogan | but its probably in a more mature state that we can add that in if allowed | 20:13 |
| sballe__ | yes. That is the talk we are having. We want to make sure it can do what we need it to do. | 20:13 |
| blogan | is the demo going to be some kind of hangout or irc thing? | 20:13 |
| sballe__ | He told us thta it is running in production at customers so it must be mature | 20:13 |
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| rm_work | not sure that's a strictly accurate assumption... :P | 20:13 |
| sballe__ | right now it is an HP demo. We could have him do a second one for the community | 20:14 |
| blogan | well im sure ti is for routers, which it was built for | 20:14 |
| blogan | well that would be nice to see it in action | 20:14 |
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| sballe__ | rm_work: I am giving him the benefit of the doubt on the maturaty until proven otherwise. I am tired of being a pesimist | 20:14 |
| blogan | its a far more mature state than what we have, i just remember it being tightly coupled with building routers | 20:15 |
| sballe__ | yep and we wold him taht is not what we want to see. | 20:15 |
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| sballe__ | s/told | 20:16 |
| blogan | oh of course, im sure he alreayd knew that | 20:16 |
| sballe__ | he did ;-) but we just made sure he remembered ;-) | 20:16 |
| blogan | and im sure akanda doesn't want that either, their whole point is to be able to spin up a service vm for anything | 20:16 |
| sballe__ | agreed. | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | moving on | 20:17 |
| xgerman | #topic Continue status discussion from LB meeting and how it impacts octavia | 20:17 |
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| xgerman | to sum up the proposal was to not bubble up statuses in the DB but when we show them | 20:18 |
| blogan | i wasn't heref or that discussoin yesterday | 20:18 |
| blogan | but i read through it | 20:18 |
| blogan | but yeah thats what i gathered | 20:18 |
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| blogan | the octavia driver that will live in neutron shouldn't have a problem with this because it can decide to focus on the statuses it needs to | 20:19 |
| blogan | neutron-lbaas | 20:19 |
| xgerman | ok, if this is the way forward we will mimick it in Octavia and expeically not have the health manager update pools if a member is down | 20:19 |
| blogan | sorry | 20:19 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: suggested to aggregate the status on the fly. Is that what we are talkign about? | 20:19 |
| blogan | yep | 20:20 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:20 |
| rm_work | yeah, dynamically calculated status make sense to me | 20:20 |
| blogan | which i have a minor uneasiness with that not being what is actually in the db, but it's faster to do right now and i honestly can't think of any issues, other than my uneasiness | 20:20 |
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| TrevorV | I actually disagree with the dynamic loading of the statuses in general. | 20:21 |
| xgerman | yeah, I feel uneasy, too, but have trouble finding valid reasons against it | 20:21 |
| johnsom | Yeah, should we drop the pool health from the db? | 20:21 |
| blogan | TrevorV: any concrete reasons? | 20:21 |
| blogan | johnsom: i dont think so right now, but that is something we should think about | 20:22 |
| blogan | well operating status at lesat | 20:22 |
| TrevorV | Aside from multiple people involved in the project being uneasy? (which becomes a valid reason) I think there are problems involved with computing a status tree rather than storing and updating it accordingly. | 20:22 |
| blogan | provisioning status should remain | 20:22 |
| johnsom | yes, operating status only | 20:22 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:22 |
| TrevorV | One being, while building a tree after getting health of one piece of the puzzle, that health could change before the response is given, meaning its inaccurate | 20:23 |
| blogan | that coul dhappen anyway | 20:23 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:23 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | Then I feel like we should keep it the way we've designed it and remove the uneasiness people are feeling. | 20:23 |
| dougwig | so, the argument against updating the db is that if we do M:N sharing, those db constructs become logical entities, not operational. that we have status on them now is a convenience. if we teach people to rely on it instead, those will always be operation objects. | 20:23 |
| blogan | we haven't really designed it in any way, the reason it came up is there was major uneasiness with not nkowing and the alternative | 20:24 |
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| TrevorV | with not knowing what? | 20:24 |
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| blogan | not knowing how the statuses should be handled with the possibility of sharing objects, and how they should trickle up to the parent | 20:25 |
| xgerman | well, we haven't though through it so it feels uneasy but I don't have a good reason for not doing it | 20:25 |
| blogan | was never actually discussed | 20:25 |
| blogan | i feel the same as xgerman, which is why im fine with doing it dynamically and if it becomes a problem we can easily add a helper method that does it in the db | 20:25 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:26 |
| dougwig | if we teach people to look at the status of individual objects (and that's the *only* reason to update the db directly with the three), we will be shooting ourselves in the foot if we switch to a tree/logical entity model. | 20:26 |
| TrevorV | I feel like updating the DB is more safe since we'll be able to lock tables while updating state, removing some erroneous reports via the dynamic loading in the first place. | 20:26 |
| blogan | we'll still be updating the state of teh load balancer's provisioning status | 20:27 |
| dougwig | reading all the objects via a transaction versus building a tree is roughly equivalent from an "this might be out of date" perspective, IMO. | 20:27 |
| crc32 | It feels like a derived type to me not a statefull status field from a database. | 20:27 |
| rm_work | in my experience, the more state you store that's easily calculable, the more often you end up with stale data | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | Provisioning status isn't the same as operational status. To some degree I care less about provisioning status than operating status. | 20:27 |
| blogan | its just in the event of an error or a member going offline | 20:27 |
| crc32 | rm_work: Agreed. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | rm_work +1 | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | I'm the only one on this side of the line eh? Alrighty, we'll go with group consensus here. | 20:28 |
| blogan | lol | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | (this is how we got the damn name amphora by the way) | 20:28 |
| johnsom | Calculating it also opens the opportunity for operators to define "degraded" | 20:28 |
| xgerman | great point! | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | Anyhow, I think we have consensus - though we could always vote... | 20:29 |
| blogan | we have consensus | 20:29 |
| blogan | -1 | 20:29 |
| blogan | we have majority | 20:29 |
| blogan | unless someone is being quiet who disagrees | 20:29 |
| xgerman | yeah, and I don't know the vote syntax | 20:29 |
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| TrevorV | #startvote | 20:30 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | I think | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | Yep | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | It yelled at me :P | 20:30 |
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| xgerman | ok, I guess we are good :-) | 20:30 |
| blogan | #startvote should the operating status be dynamically generated on GETs? | 20:30 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: should the operating status be dynamically generated on GETs? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | Though you shouldn't worry about it, since I'm the only nay-sayer | 20:30 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:30 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:30 | |
| blogan | #endvote | 20:30 |
| openstack | Voted on "should the operating status be dynamically generated on GETs?" Results are | 20:30 |
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| johnsom | #vote Yes | 20:30 |
| dougwig | looking at the topic, isn't octavia the same either way? | 20:30 |
| xgerman | #vote yes | 20:30 |
| dougwig | #vote Yes | 20:30 |
| blogan | vote closed | 20:31 |
| barclaac | #vote Yes | 20:31 |
| fnaval | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | Uhm... brandon ended the voting... lulz | 20:31 |
| mwang2 | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| rm_work | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| johnsom | He closed it | 20:31 |
| sballe__ | #vote yes | 20:31 |
| xgerman | ok | 20:31 |
| barclaac | Looks pretty unanimous to me? | 20:31 |
| rm_work | #vote I don't care, yes | 20:31 |
| crc32 | #vote abstein | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | #vote no please god no | 20:31 |
| blogan | i think we need some kind of counting software to figure this one out | 20:31 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:31 |
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| dougwig | carlos hatees he process and trevor is against the group. feels like home. | 20:31 |
| dougwig | /he/the/ | 20:32 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | Sshhh... I haven't foosballed yet today | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | Not home yet | 20:32 |
| barclaac | @TrevorV - your only choices were yes and no ;-) | 20:32 |
| crc32 | #vote gumbi | 20:32 |
| blogan | btw crc32 has volunteered to do the status changes in neutron-lbaas | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | barclaac no one could vote anyway since brandon closed the vote before a single vote went in, so I went "funny" rather than "serious" | 20:32 |
| dougwig | i think this horse is glue. | 20:33 |
| xgerman | +100 | 20:33 |
| xgerman | moving on... | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | I don't quite understand one thing that was said with this topic though | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | <johnsom>Calculating it also opens the opportunity for operators to define "degraded" | 20:33 |
| TrevorV | What does this mean exactly? Are we not going to have a list of appropriate statuses to respond with? | 20:34 |
| TrevorV | We'll return whatever they want to give us? | 20:34 |
| crc32 | Yea I don't see operators writing code to do this. | 20:34 |
| johnsom | For example: is one member down DEGRADED vs 80% members down DEGRADED | 20:34 |
| TrevorV | I still don't follow johsnom. | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | johnsom ** | 20:35 |
| xgerman | but what crc32 said that would require a hook for custom code | 20:35 |
| johnsom | Could be a configurable setting. | 20:35 |
| xgerman | ok, that makes sense | 20:35 |
| dougwig | umm, the operator that wrote their own neutron thinks operators won't write code? (though i believe that's orthogonal to the question.) | 20:35 |
| crc32 | I think he's implying each operator would define a "def is_degraded()' method | 20:35 |
| johnsom | We can chat after the meeting | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | Okay | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | Sorry | 20:35 |
| blogan | it would require hooks, but we're not there yet | 20:36 |
| blogan | we're getting in the weeds here though because the main argument for it still stands | 20:36 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:37 |
| blogan | so next topic? | 20:38 |
| xgerman | yeah, let's move on | 20:38 |
| crc32 | waiting for conversation to move on | 20:38 |
| xgerman | alreday switched topic | 20:38 |
| blogan | oh lol its open discussion | 20:38 |
| dougwig | let's argue about how to end arguing. | 20:38 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:38 |
| sballe__ | perfect. I am confused about the use of taskflow in: http://www.octavia.io/review/master/specs/version0.5/amphora-driver-interface.html | 20:38 |
| sballe__ | It says: "The controller will heavily utilize taskflow [2] to accomplish its goals so it is highly encouraged for drivers to use taskflow to organize their work, too." I thought we went away from taskflow. | 20:38 |
| sballe__ | could somebody help clarify? | 20:39 |
| ptoohill | i like the idea of that argument, but not sure its the arugment we should be arguing | 20:39 |
| ptoohill | i had nothing else to add, srry :/ | 20:39 |
| xgerman | ah, that one. We decided to leave it up to each driver to use taskflowor not | 20:39 |
| blogan | yeah, but that might change if we start using akanda | 20:40 |
| johnsom | The controller is using TaskFlow | 20:40 |
| blogan | depends on how we would hook into akanda | 20:40 |
| johnsom | akanda is a whole new deal, so TBD in my book. Current code is using TaskFlow | 20:40 |
| ptoohill | we had agreed to let the controller do tasks and call the specific driver methods. | 20:40 |
| ptoohill | at one point in time | 20:40 |
| xgerman | yep, and the driver can use whatever flow engine they see fit | 20:41 |
| ptoohill | ^ | 20:41 |
| xgerman | but we encourage taskflow since that opens up some synergies | 20:41 |
| xgerman | (aka as an operator I hate to run two different engines) | 20:41 |
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| sballe__ | ok thx. I was still back in the days where "we had agreed to let the controller do tasks and call the specific driver methods". If we now have changed strategy taht is fine too | 20:43 |
| xgerman | no, we still have that but calling say: start_listener could again fire up it's own taskflow engine to do things | 20:43 |
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| ptoohill | the controller will have the 'base' behaviour if im understanding that correctly | 20:44 |
| ptoohill | in taskflow | 20:44 |
| ptoohill | the driver could optionally augment its methods with taskflow | 20:45 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:45 |
| sballe__ | that make sense | 20:46 |
| xgerman | controller has flows and task which call driver methods which could then again fire of flows and tasks inise the driver | 20:46 |
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| blogan | tell mark to stream his demo | 20:47 |
| xgerman | in ASCII art ;-) | 20:47 |
| ptoohill | +1 | 20:47 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | ok, other things to discuss? | 20:48 |
| xgerman | more Vancouver info? When do we need to sign up for the brownbag? | 20:48 |
| dougwig | folks need to come up with an agenda for the octavia part of the talk, if the main lbaas talk is accepted. | 20:50 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: I am sure there will be plenty to talk about | 20:50 |
| johnsom | I figured I was on the hook for the octavia part of the talk. | 20:50 |
| xgerman | yep, blogan is the client guy | 20:50 |
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| johnsom | +1 | 20:51 |
| blogan | noooo | 20:52 |
| dougwig | johnsom: ok, super. | 20:52 |
| dougwig | blogan is the main MC. he needs to carry the talk. | 20:53 |
| dougwig | because he loves doing that. | 20:53 |
| blogan | go to hell | 20:53 |
| dougwig | bless your heart. | 20:53 |
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| blogan | one day ill do it enough and be numb to my own sound of stupidity | 20:54 |
| xgerman | ok, I think we can likely close the meeting... | 20:55 |
| dougwig | +1 | 20:55 |
| dougwig | #endmeetingwithprejudice | 20:55 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-25-20.01.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-25-20.01.txt | 20:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-25-20.01.log.html | 20:55 |
| Aish | \o | 20:55 |
| blogan | good day | 20:56 |
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