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| sc68cal | hello all | 13:59 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 24 14:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6' | 14:00 |
| ihrachyshka | sc68cal, hah? isn't it one hour later? | 14:01 |
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| ihrachyshka | sc68cal, it's main neutron meeting time, no? | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | hmm, probably right, for some reason I had 1400 utc stuck in my head. | 14:01 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 24 14:01:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-02-24-14.00.html | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-02-24-14.00.txt | 14:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-02-24-14.00.log.html | 14:02 |
| ihrachyshka | sc68cal, np :) | 14:02 |
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| sc68cal | o/ | 14:58 |
| john__ | o/ | 14:59 |
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| xuhanp | hi | 14:59 |
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| sc68cal | #startmeeting neutron_ipv6 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 24 15:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| ihrachyshka | o/ | 15:00 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 15:00 |
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| sc68cal | topic #code reviews | 15:01 |
| sc68cal | doh | 15:01 |
| sc68cal | #topic code reviews | 15:01 |
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| sc68cal | If anyone has any reviews they'd like to discuss, the floor is yours | 15:01 |
| john-davidge | We've pushed a WIP review for the Prefix Delegation work today https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158697/ | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | general feedback would be much appreciated :) | 15:02 |
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| sc68cal | excellent, i'll add it to my queue | 15:03 |
| john-davidge | thanks | 15:03 |
| dboik | I have a patch up for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1424760 | 15:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1424760 in neutron "SLAAC/DHCPv6-stateless subnets can be deleted with router ports still in-use" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Andrew Boik (drewboik) | 15:04 |
| dboik | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158508/ | 15:04 |
| dboik | would appreciate any comments | 15:04 |
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| dane_leblanc | dboik: will review that today | 15:04 |
| sc68cal | ^ +1 | 15:04 |
| dboik | thanks | 15:05 |
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| sc68cal | Excellent - I'll be trying to play catch-up later this week on my reviews :) | 15:07 |
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| sc68cal | #topic bugs | 15:08 |
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| sc68cal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ipv6&orderby=-id&start=0 IPv6 tagged bugs | 15:08 |
| sc68cal | Any new bugs that anyone wants to discuss? | 15:09 |
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| dane_leblanc | For 1357068... | 15:10 |
| dane_leblanc | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114437/ | 15:10 |
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| dane_leblanc | I was going to push up a patch set that reverts to xuhanp's original patchset (version 1) | 15:11 |
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| dane_leblanc | With an explanation in the commit comment about why we don't think an arping equivalent is needed for IPv6 | 15:11 |
| dane_leblanc | I think we're covered for IPv6 with ND, RA, and duplicate address detection | 15:12 |
| SridharG | dane_leblanc: +1 | 15:12 |
| sc68cal | I think carl_baldwin had a patch he pushed that throws an error whenever that code path is called with an ipv6 subnet .... need to find it in my history | 15:12 |
| dane_leblanc | If anyone thinks we need an arping equivalent for some feature (e.g. for HA router)... | 15:12 |
| dane_leblanc | Then we can file a new bug | 15:12 |
| rackertom | dane_leblanc: ++ | 15:13 |
| sc68cal | found it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154644/ | 15:13 |
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| sc68cal | ah, he abandoned it in favor of mine, which i abandoned in favor of dane_leblanc 's | 15:14 |
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| rackertom | That error message could be better. :D | 15:14 |
| dane_leblanc | I think xuhanp's original fix of just checking for IPv4 in the gratuitous arp method is the way to go. | 15:14 |
| sc68cal | dane_leblanc: Agreed | 15:14 |
| haleyb | dane_leblanc: but i thought your other patch fixed things as well, right? | 15:15 |
| ihrachyshka | dane_leblanc, maybe not just commit message, but also code comment | 15:15 |
| dane_leblanc | haleyb: This is a real bug, should be fixed outside of my blueprint patches | 15:15 |
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| dane_leblanc | ihrachyshka: I'll try to come up with a good code comment. Hopefully that won't bring me down a rat hole. | 15:16 |
| SridharG | Reg https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372882, appreciate your comments if there are any alternate mechanisms to address it. | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1372882 in neutron "Neutron should drop certain outbound ICMPv6 packets" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sridhar Gaddam (sridhargaddam) | 15:17 |
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| haleyb | dane_leblanc: so just stop the error for now, but your blueprint change fill fix it correctly? | 15:18 |
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| dane_leblanc | haleyb: My blueprint will use (depend on) this fix | 15:18 |
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| dane_leblanc | haleyb: I'm proposing that the fix _is_ to stop the error, assumption is we don't need arping for IPv6 | 15:19 |
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| sc68cal | SridharG: Looks like we're sort of stuck. I know for a fact the NFV people are going to want ICMPv6 packets to be allowed outbound | 15:20 |
| sc68cal | from a neutron port | 15:21 |
| SridharG | yes sc68cal I agree. | 15:21 |
| sc68cal | in some instances | 15:21 |
| haleyb | dane_leblanc: i'll just leave further comments for the patch | 15:21 |
| SridharG | So, I'll go ahead and abandon my patch. | 15:21 |
| dane_leblanc | haleyb: Great, thanks! | 15:21 |
| sc68cal | SridharG: ok. We'll have to try and talk with robert at some point and think up how to proceed | 15:23 |
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| SridharG | ok sc68cal. But what you said is also true, NFV would have some usecases where they do not want this fix. | 15:23 |
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| sc68cal | SridharG: Agreed. perhaps we have to just bite the bullet and block outbound by default and tell the NFV people to push a sec group rule to allow outbound ICMPv6 | 15:24 |
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| sc68cal | when they need it | 15:24 |
| rackertom | SridharG: Is the purpose of this bug to become the default? Dropping ICMP? And what other ICMP types would you propose be dropped? | 15:24 |
| sc68cal | rackertom: Outbound, from a VM | 15:25 |
| rackertom | IMO, this is a bad idea. | 15:25 |
| rackertom | I can think of several reasons why I'd want a VM to RA to a net | 15:25 |
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| sc68cal | rackertom: Yes, but should we allow it by default, or require explicit rule | 15:25 |
| sc68cal | I think a secure default is probably preferred. | 15:26 |
| rackertom | I think we should make no rules about it. Allow it by default. | 15:26 |
| rackertom | Make it works as close to the real world as possible | 15:26 |
| SridharG | sc68cal: the location at which we are blocking/dropping would have higher priority and even if the user manually adds an outbound ICMPv6 allow rule, AFAIK it would not hit. | 15:27 |
| SridharG | sc68cal: I'll have to double check though. | 15:27 |
| rackertom | On a physical network, the default is any device sending RA is allowed to do so. If you want, you can add a policy to network gear to disallow certain ports from allowing RA. | 15:27 |
| sc68cal | SridharG: Yeha, that's a tricky bit too | 15:27 |
| sc68cal | rackertom: yes, that's covered in RFC 7381 | 15:27 |
| sc68cal | but they also discuss filtering ICMPv6 packets for security purposes | 15:28 |
| rackertom | So, companies like Arista, Cumulus, etc. will eventually file a bug saying the neutron layer doesn't allow ICMP type 134 by default and we'll be back to this conversation. | 15:28 |
| sc68cal | OUTBOUND | 15:28 |
| sc68cal | not inbound | 15:28 |
| rackertom | Yeah, I understand. | 15:29 |
| baoli | Thinking that in a true provider net environ, the provider would run some kind of RA guard somewhere if it's done properly. | 15:29 |
| rackertom | Several of these companies have virtual devices | 15:29 |
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| sc68cal | true, but we would assume they have control plane pieces that would handle the filtering | 15:30 |
| sc68cal | to make those virtual devices work properly | 15:30 |
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| sc68cal | the question is do we make a secure default and make the NFV case do some work to open it up a bit? or leave it less secure by default | 15:31 |
| rackertom | I've not read RFC 7381, so I should do that before continuing. :D | 15:31 |
| sc68cal | RFC 4890 goes into more depth about the issue | 15:31 |
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| haleyb | having had to track-down someone sending-out RAs from their laptop and becoming one of the default routers for the site, i would err on the side of caution when allowing RAs in | 15:32 |
| sc68cal | haleyb: true, which is what we do today | 15:32 |
| sc68cal | but someone brought up a good point, which is if there are non-neutron devices on the same L2 segment | 15:32 |
| sc68cal | and they don't get the same filtering rules that the openstack side gets, when filtering inbound RAs | 15:33 |
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| rackertom | sc68cal: That's why I brought up making the physical and virtual worlds act the same. So there's a consistent administrative behavior on both. The default in physical world is open, but it's suggested you filter which ports you allow RA from. I suggest we do the same, but I'll wait to die on that hill until I've read the two RFC you've linked. | 15:35 |
| haleyb | i guess i don't have the context of the bug to further the discussion... | 15:35 |
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| sc68cal | haleyb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372882 | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1372882 in neutron "Neutron should drop certain outbound ICMPv6 packets" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Sridhar Gaddam (sridhargaddam) | 15:36 |
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| baoli | rackertom: I kind of agree with you | 15:37 |
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| haleyb | sc68cal: thanks, i'll take a look | 15:37 |
| sc68cal | rackertom: fair enough - it's a policy question and everyone is going to have a different policy for their network | 15:37 |
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| rackertom | haleyb: As the bug reads, the suggestion is to prevent guests from doing things like RA so they don't accidentally become routers. I can easily foresee someone accidentally setting up a linux host, enabling routing, and all of a sudden it starts receiving traffic from all kinds of devices on the physical and virtual network | 15:37 |
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| sc68cal | To clarify, it'd only be able to get physical nodes who don't filter ICMPv6 packets who'd get re-routed | 15:38 |
| rackertom | sc68cal: Yeah, agreed. And I understand your argument that perhaps we could be better network citizens by doing "The Right Thing" (tm) | 15:38 |
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| sc68cal | My secret hope is that nobody is running a L2 segment that has both openstack and non-openstack ports | 15:39 |
| rackertom | We can all dream. :D | 15:40 |
| sc68cal | :) | 15:40 |
| sc68cal | Any other bugs? otherwise I'll turn it over to open discussion | 15:41 |
| sc68cal | #topic open discussion | 15:42 |
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| rackertom | sc68cal: I hope I'm not coming across as a jerk. I certainly don't want to. | 15:43 |
| sc68cal | rackertom: Nah, you're not. If anything it's probably me, just because we've had a lot of pain around ICMPv6 filtering | 15:43 |
| rackertom | I can just imagine what will happen a year from now when a network engineer comes steaming in here, annoyed at us for filtering by default. :D | 15:44 |
| rackertom | I can only imagine. | 15:44 |
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| sc68cal | Some network engineers are mad at us for allowing ICMPv6 at all :) - they want to force static allocations | 15:45 |
| sc68cal | through config-drive to the guests .... | 15:46 |
| rackertom | Mmmm, that's one approach. | 15:46 |
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| sc68cal | I also wish we could get someone to work on OVS, for support for tunneling over ipv6 | 15:48 |
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| haleyb | sc68cal: vxlan over ipv6? | 15:49 |
| sc68cal | yep | 15:49 |
| sc68cal | for gre and vxlan - I think right now the only thing that works for L2 tenant isolation w/ IPv6 networking is VLANs? | 15:49 |
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| sc68cal | we need to get some info from the user survey about ipv6 deployments | 15:49 |
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| haleyb | well, i have noticed it, and it should be fixed, and i am a kernel developer too :) I need to clone myself | 15:50 |
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| sc68cal | My C is .... not really something I'd like to share with the group, so it'd be better if I didn't work on it | 15:51 |
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| sc68cal | unless we want to try and create L3 traffic isolation for IPv6 ... | 15:53 |
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| haleyb | sc68cal: i was more thinking an ipv6-only-ish deployment | 15:54 |
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| sc68cal | Ok, well until next week, thank you everyone for joining. | 15:57 |
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| sc68cal | rackertom: don't be a stranger! | 15:57 |
| rackertom | I often silently attend these meetings. I'm new to contributing in any way, and IPv6 is kind of an interest of mine. | 15:58 |
| rackertom | But I have some skewed views of its usage due to working for a DNS provider for a while. :D | 15:58 |
| sc68cal | :) | 15:58 |
| sc68cal | take care everyone | 15:59 |
| sc68cal | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 24 15:59:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-02-24-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2015/neutron_ipv6.2015-02-24-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 24 17:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| sergmelikyan | Hi folks! | 17:00 |
| stan_lagun | hi! | 17:00 |
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| dteselkin_ | Hi! | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:04 |
| sergmelikyan | Today we don't have anything specific for agenda, let's start as usual with Action Items | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | #1 jolsen, create spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/package-drag-drop-upload | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | Looks like jolsen is not here today | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev | I'm still a bit new to this — should we discuss bugs/blueprints and/or proposals how to fix/implement them here? | 17:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | Sure, If you'd like to discuss something you just edit our agenda and add something there prior meeting | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | We also can discuss questions in Open Discussion topic | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | I think we can move to Open Discussion and discuss your questions | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Open Discussion | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev | I think it's worth mentioning, that there are few parts of murano (including error logging) that would most likely fail if we actually implement some i18n =) There are many places where strings are translated to str, which might cause unicode errors. I haven't actually tested it, but my guts tell me there will be quite a few unicode errors =) | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev | I'm not sure if it's appropriate to create a single blueprint for that though. | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan | What do you mean by fail? | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev | there are some places where strings are enforsed with str(). I guess they would raise UnicodeDecodeError if translated strings would be passed there. | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev | I guess the correct thing to do would be — to actually translate everything and run some tests with non-C locale. | 17:16 |
| stan_lagun | kzaitsev: I've seen such problems when trying th raise native Python exceptions with non-ascii messages | 17:17 |
| stan_lagun | Exception messages were not designed to be localized | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan | stan_lagun, maybe oslo i18n somehow handles that? They provide framework for translation, I doubt that it is so broken | 17:18 |
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| stan_lagun | the problem is that str(e) is the only correct method of getting exception message and it will fail on non-ascii chars | 17:19 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, and I guess we should eliminate all calls to str | 17:19 |
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| hmunfru | hi sorry for the delay | 17:19 |
| katyafervent2 | hi hmunfru ! | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev | Also! Is gate-murano-integration feeling OK now? It seemed like it had some problems (failing after obviously unrelated code changes) | 17:23 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, yeah, issue was with handling output from newest version of nova-client | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | should be working already | 17:25 |
| sergmelikyan | stan_lagun, so what you are suggesting? | 17:25 |
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| stan_lagun | sergmelikyan: this needs some research. Personally i don't like the idea of i18n for strings that are not displayed in UI. I also think that language files need to be a part of murano package like resource files attached to .exe | 17:27 |
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| stan_lagun | thats about applications. Engine itself doesn't generate user-visible strings so nothing to translate | 17:28 |
| stan_lagun | but we have to follow openstack good practices despite what I think | 17:28 |
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| sergmelikyan | stan_lagun, yeah :) | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev | Is it a good idea — to add translation tests? (Like run all the tests with all the strings translated to smth like "♔") | 17:29 |
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| stan_lagun | kzaitsev: if we support it it should be tested | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, I am not sure about that, we can discuss how to do it properly with oslo i18n team | 17:31 |
| sergmelikyan | I mean, I am not sure how to correctly implement that | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev | yeah, me to (not sure) | 17:32 |
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| stan_lagun | sergmelikyan: can we leave it till release U? Or at least until real-life bug-repport or customer request? | 17:32 |
| sergmelikyan | stan_lagun, why? | 17:33 |
| stan_lagun | Seems like not that important thing for now | 17:33 |
| sergmelikyan | It depends, I think that if you started something you need to get done that | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev | I agree, that it doesn't seem to be an urgent thing to do. =) | 17:33 |
| stan_lagun | and it causes more problems than it solves | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | I think we should constantly keep our code in accordance with OpenStack guidelines, and maintain it. | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | And since we started working on translation it should be finished, no point to making only half of the job | 17:35 |
| stan_lagun | I doubt if someone uses any OpenStack services with non-C locale in production at all. Don't sure i want to pioneer all the problems | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | And at some point of time we should work on translation too as whole openstack itself | 17:35 |
| kzaitsev | Well then I guess it's worth being put into a blueprint. | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, you mean specific BP about testing translation? | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev | yes, why not? | 17:36 |
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| sergmelikyan | stan_lagun, I think you will not be a pioneer, most of the OpenStack project have translation to different languages | 17:36 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, just asking :) | 17:37 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, I think you should try to talk with i18n team | 17:37 |
| stan_lagun | sergmelikyan: one thing is to claim it and another thing is to actually use non-English locale. In theory we also support locales as long as they are English locale :) | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, Doug Hellmann is one of the top contributors to oslo i18n project | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev | Yeah I'll do that! Maybe they have a shortcut for such kind of testing already. | 17:39 |
| stan_lagun | And who is going to translate API messages and so on? | 17:39 |
| sergmelikyan | stan_lagun, community :) | 17:40 |
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| sergmelikyan | And I think there is no point to ask you :) | 17:40 |
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| kzaitsev | stan_lagun: My issue is not about translation. It' is more about the fact that there are a couple of places in the code, that would raise exceptions if translated. It's worth at least to test that our tests would not fail if we would translate everything to something unicode. | 17:41 |
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| stan_lagun | Once that you have a language files for many languages it will be hard to change anything in API because it also may require changing messages and you cannot do it on your own (suppose that you don't speak all those languages). And we are going to have some serious changes in API. So either we won't have any translations at all or we will wish wi not have them | 17:42 |
| stan_lagun | kzaitsev: I get it. But it is not the only problem with i18n | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev | Oh I see what you mean | 17:43 |
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| sergmelikyan | stan_lagun, I think there is a way to handle what do you talking about :) OpenStack is released twice a year :) You can ensure translations between releases. | 17:44 |
| stan_lagun | it is hard to make sure all the translations are in sync | 17:44 |
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| sergmelikyan | stan_lagun, there is no point arguing about that. At least we should make sure that Murano supports translations | 17:45 |
| stan_lagun | sergmelikyan: it is extremely hard if you take in account the number of messages that we have and the number of people around that know Chinese, Japanese, Hebrew, Arabic and so on | 17:45 |
| sergmelikyan | hmunfru, please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/152643 | 17:45 |
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| kzaitsev | Ok. to sum it up — I'll ask oslo.i18n team if they have an easy way to test that and file a bp to actually test translations (I think actually translating the app is a different topic though) | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | hmunfru, this should enable support for attaching to the existing networks | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev, awesome! | 17:47 |
| hmunfru_ | ok | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | So you can enable choosing to which network to attach before deployment | 17:47 |
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| hmunfru_ | perfect! | 17:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | #action kzaitsev, ask oslo.i18n team if they have an easy way to test that and file a bp to actually test translations | 17:57 |
| sergmelikyan | Looks like we are running out of time :) | 17:57 |
| sergmelikyan | Thank you! | 17:57 |
| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 24 17:57:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-02-24-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-02-24-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-02-24-17.00.log.html | 17:57 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:00 |
| lsmola2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| slagle | let's have a meeting! | 19:00 |
| slagle | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 24 19:01:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slagle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:01 |
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| slagle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO looks a little stale | 19:01 |
| slagle | i'll have a go at updating it | 19:02 |
| slagle | #topic agenda | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:02 | |
| slagle | * bugs | 19:02 |
| slagle | * reviews | 19:02 |
| slagle | * Projects needing releases | 19:02 |
| slagle | * CD Cloud status | 19:02 |
| slagle | * CI | 19:02 |
| slagle | * Specs | 19:02 |
| slagle | * open discussion | 19:03 |
| slagle | when i update the meeting page, i anticipate removing CD Cloud and Specs as standing agenda items if there's no objection to that | 19:03 |
| bnemec | \o | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | and specs? | 19:03 |
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| slagle | SpamapS: i'm kinda feeling like it falls under open discussion | 19:04 |
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| slagle | but, meh | 19:04 |
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| bnemec | Or reviews | 19:04 |
| slagle | I had *thought* we added that when we wanted to talk about spec process | 19:04 |
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| SpamapS | Yeah, it doesn't ever get any discussion either | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | so yeah | 19:04 |
| slagle | #topic bugs | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:05 | |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:05 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:05 |
| slagle | i should have looked at the bug list before volunteering for this | 19:06 |
| slagle | i'm seeing a lot of red | 19:06 |
| bnemec | heh | 19:06 |
| lsmola2 | hehe | 19:06 |
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| SpamapS | hahaha | 19:06 |
| * SpamapS whistles and strolls | 19:06 | |
| jdob | meanwhile, dprince is sitting there smiling at his screen | 19:07 |
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| slagle | so everything is triaged | 19:07 |
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| SpamapS | I'm dropping https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1374626 to High | 19:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1374626 in tripleo "UIDs of data-owning users might change between deployed images" [High,Triaged] | 19:07 |
| slagle | and i suspect some of those are even in progress | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | nobody seems to care about image updates | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | and I'm also unassigning myself | 19:07 |
| slagle | ok | 19:08 |
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| SpamapS | This one _does_ need work https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401617 | 19:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1401617 in tripleo "Flavor based ramdisk/kernel ID is deprecated in Ironic since Juno" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Clint Byrum (clint-fewbar) | 19:09 |
| SpamapS | I may still find time to work on it soon. | 19:09 |
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| slagle | SpamapS: k, thanks. i can pick that up or maybe convince someone else too if you need to drop it | 19:10 |
| * slagle eyes bnemec | 19:11 | |
| SpamapS | slagle: we'll see, I think it's 90% done anyway | 19:11 |
| slagle | k | 19:11 |
| bnemec | slagle: If I touch it, it will break. | 19:11 |
| slagle | this has no assignee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401300 | 19:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1401300 in tripleo "Keystone Private Key not securely sent to host" [Critical,Confirmed] | 19:11 |
| bnemec | Guaranteed. :-P | 19:11 |
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| bnemec | slagle: It seems like there's some debate over the actual severity of that one. | 19:12 |
| slagle | bnemec: yea, i see that. i'm not opposed to dropping it to high | 19:13 |
| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1411809 is already in a release it looks like | 19:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1411809 in tripleo "Ironic fails to start: Unable to import proliantutils library." [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Dan Prince (dan-prince) | 19:13 |
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| greghaynes | so, it was suggested that private key one get deescelated to medium | 19:14 |
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| greghaynes | oh, looks like that got codified in the ticket | 19:15 |
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| slagle | bnemec: can you assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1421835 to yourself? given derek is day to day | 19:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1421835 in neutron "Timeout reached while waiting for callback for node" [Undecided,In progress] | 19:15 |
| greghaynes | er, right, high instead of critical. Im kind of +1 on that at this point actually | 19:15 |
| slagle | greghaynes: cool, let's make it high | 19:16 |
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| bnemec | slagle: Yeah | 19:16 |
| * SpamapS will make sure to remember that the best time to sniff on a tripleo network is in the early days when no security measures have been setup and PXE is flying around everywhere. ;) | 19:16 | |
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| slagle | looks like the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1423228 is in flight | 19:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423228 in tripleo "L3 agent for nova compute could not be found" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Derek Higgins (derekh) | 19:17 |
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| dprince | slagle: yes, 1411809 was fixed several weeks back | 19:18 |
| slagle | jdob: hi! i see a comment from you on https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1425238 | 19:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425238 in tripleo "Heat: Failed to validate parameter errors" [Critical,Triaged] | 19:18 |
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| slagle | jdob: can you or dan assign that one? | 19:18 |
| dprince | slagle: yes, still trying to confirm when exactly it started breaking. I suspect a heat commit or something | 19:19 |
| slagle | note for folks going forward, don't comment on bugs if you don't want to end up the assignee | 19:19 |
| slagle | j/k | 19:19 |
| jdob | haha | 19:19 |
| jdob | it's blocking me too, so i'm willing to help out with whatever dprince needs | 19:19 |
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| bnemec | It's the internet version of "don't make eye contact" ;-) | 19:20 |
| slagle | there are 3 untriaged bugs for os-cloud-config | 19:20 |
| slagle | anyone want to triage those? | 19:20 |
| slagle | 1 in os-collect-config | 19:20 |
| slagle | 1 in tuskar | 19:20 |
| jdob | i'll look at the tuskar one | 19:21 |
| slagle | thx | 19:21 |
| slagle | #action slagle to triage os-cloud-config and os-collect-config bugs | 19:21 |
| slagle | #action jdob to triage tuskar bugs | 19:21 |
| slagle | i think that's it for bugs | 19:22 |
| slagle | anything else to draw attention to here? | 19:22 |
| slagle | #topic reviews | 19:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:22 | |
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| slagle | #info There's a dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 19:23 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:23 |
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| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 19:23 |
| slagle | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 19:23 |
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| slagle | i'm not sure what to say | 19:23 |
| slagle | our wait times look kind of bad | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | I've been a little distracted from everything.. reviews is an equal opportunity loss in that. | 19:24 |
| slagle | are there any reviews people would like some attention on? | 19:24 |
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| slagle | well; ok. keep reviewing everyone. | 19:26 |
| slagle | if you struggle to wonder how to prioritize reviews use the tripleo dashboard | 19:26 |
| slagle | or ask in #tripleo | 19:27 |
| slagle | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:27 | |
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| slagle | looks like it's been 2 weeks from some projects since releases | 19:27 |
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| slagle | any volunteers to do releases? | 19:28 |
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| slagle | #action slagle to do releases | 19:28 |
| slagle | #topic CI | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:29 | |
| dprince | we are having stability issues, finding good real upstream breakages though | 19:29 |
| slagle | #link http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html | 19:29 |
| slagle | what's up with the overcloud-f20-nonha job? | 19:29 |
| slagle | has anyone started looking into that? | 19:30 |
| dprince | slagle: I think it is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1425238 | 19:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425238 in tripleo "Heat: Failed to validate parameter errors" [Critical,Triaged] | 19:30 |
| slagle | k, i figured so | 19:30 |
| dprince | slagle: I haven't found a smoking gun yet | 19:30 |
| dprince | slagle: but nothing has changed in our templates to cause it so I expect a heat regression | 19:30 |
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| slagle | maybe we should point shardy_afk at it so he can pick it up when he's back | 19:31 |
| slagle | maybe i just did :) | 19:31 |
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| dprince | yeah, I mentioned it to him on IRC as well | 19:31 |
| slagle | ok, cool | 19:31 |
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| jdob | slagle: I looked away during the release section, but ping me if you want me to handle them instead | 19:31 |
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| dprince | slagle: actually going to test a revert of his commit, so we'll see how this goes | 19:32 |
| slagle | jdob: ack, thx | 19:32 |
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| slagle | sounds like CI is up to its usual shenanigans then :) | 19:32 |
| slagle | anything else to report? | 19:32 |
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| jdob | not sure if you want to record the neutron bug too | 19:33 |
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| * tchaypo is distracted this week but plans to poke at CI on the weekend, if it's not fixed by then | 19:34 | |
| slagle | yea there's actually 2 | 19:34 |
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| slagle | we have both reverted i believe | 19:34 |
| jdob | two neutron bugs? | 19:34 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1421835 | 19:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1421835 in neutron "Timeout reached while waiting for callback for node" [Undecided,In progress] | 19:34 |
| jdob | good to know, I only knew of the callback one | 19:34 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1423228 | 19:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423228 in tripleo "L3 agent for nova compute could not be found" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Derek Higgins (derekh) | 19:35 |
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| slagle | the latter only affects the overcloud | 19:35 |
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| slagle | #topic Specs | 19:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:35 | |
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| * slagle was just looking at tripleo-specs to understand the state of the world | 19:37 | |
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| slagle | we have 8 specs | 19:37 |
| slagle | 5 are either -2'd or WIP'd | 19:37 |
| slagle | the other 3 are: | 19:38 |
| slagle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108168/ (SELinux) | 19:38 |
| slagle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133755/ (Tuskar role components) | 19:38 |
| slagle | jdob: are you still driving that ^ | 19:38 |
| jdob | its not needed in the immediate future | 19:39 |
| slagle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97939/ (Remove merge.py) | 19:39 |
| jdob | been meaning to go back and, at least, move it out of kilo | 19:39 |
| slagle | jdob: can you WIP it or something? | 19:39 |
| jdob | maybe make an unaligned folder or something | 19:39 |
| jdob | ya, WIP works | 19:39 |
| slagle | k | 19:39 |
| slagle | i'd like to see the merge.py one land | 19:39 |
| slagle | let's try to get that reviewed | 19:39 |
| slagle | it probably needs some updates, especially since it's aligned against juno | 19:40 |
| jdob | there needs to be a mercy rule for specs that havent landed within 6 months of the code landing :) | 19:40 |
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| slagle | shadower: if you see this, and you have some cycles, would you be able to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97939/ ? | 19:41 |
| jdob | he's on PTO this week, I'll ask him about it next week | 19:41 |
| slagle | ah, k | 19:41 |
| slagle | thx | 19:41 |
| jdob | i'll add a card for next sprint actually | 19:41 |
| slagle | any other spec business? | 19:42 |
| slagle | #topic open discussion | 19:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:42 | |
| slagle | thanks to HP for hosting the midcycle last week | 19:43 |
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| slagle | i sent a summary to the list | 19:43 |
| slagle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057656.html | 19:43 |
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| slagle | if i can expand on anything, let me know | 19:43 |
| tchaypo | Thanks for the summary | 19:43 |
| slagle | bnemec was already nice enough to remind me that my memory is apparently only 6 months | 19:44 |
| slagle | tchaypo: while you're here....have you (and are you) going to be running the alternate meeting time slot? | 19:45 |
| jdob | +1 to sending that out | 19:45 |
| tchaypo | Will be easier once I get back to aus | 19:45 |
| tchaypo | I've, next week | 19:45 |
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| tchaypo | But it's still not great for me - it has shifted toward being EU friendly rather than AU friendly | 19:46 |
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| SpamapS | slagle: thanks for coming out to Seattle | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | slagle: and taking over the mantle. It is not a happy thing to have to step down, but I am happy that it's still in good hands. | 19:46 |
| tchaypo | I think it makes more sense to look for someone in EU, or maybe reconsidering the need for the alternate meeting | 19:47 |
| slagle | tchaypo: ok. don't kill yourself if you can't run it, i'm hoping someone else will step up and do it | 19:47 |
| jdob | slagle: i think i have someone who can run that, i just dont want to speak for him and he's gone for the day | 19:47 |
| jdob | i'll ping him tomorrow and let you know | 19:47 |
| slagle | alright thanks | 19:47 |
| slagle | SpamapS: thanks :). | 19:47 |
| slagle | any other business? | 19:48 |
| slagle | cheers! i'm going back to shoveling snow | 19:49 |
| slagle | #endmeeting | 19:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 24 19:49:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-02-24-19.01.html | 19:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-02-24-19.01.txt | 19:49 |
| jdob | \o | 19:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/tripleo.2015-02-24-19.01.log.html | 19:49 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 24 21:00:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 21:00 |
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| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 21:00 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:00 |
| akshayc | Akshay Chhajed | 21:00 |
| ravips | Ravi Sankar Penta | 21:00 |
| james_li | james li | 21:01 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:01 |
| gpilz | Gilbert Pilz | 21:01 |
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| devkulkarni | hi everyone | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Weekly_Solum_Team_Meeting here is our agenda for today | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | please take a moment to go over it | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | while we wait to see if anybody else joins us | 21:01 |
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| phiche | philip cheong | 21:02 |
| devkulkarni | hi phiche | 21:02 |
| phiche | hello :) | 21:02 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| phiche | just made it back to the hotel in time | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | nice :) | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | I would like to continue from last week where we had started on recent feature updates | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | last week muralia walked us through the custom language pack support | 21:03 |
| devkulkarni | today I want to hand over to james_li for some of the work that he landed recently | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | (james_li): Robustness improvements | 21:04 |
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| james_li | sure. One of my recent works is fix db concurrency issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149062/ | 21:04 |
| james_li | we were seeing random functional tests failures on solum gate | 21:04 |
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| james_li | sometimes an assembly just cannot be deleted | 21:05 |
| james_li | the root cause was the db update code in solum was not atomic | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | how so? could you give an example? | 21:06 |
| james_li | so that patch basically put the db update options into a single transaction/session | 21:06 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: yea | 21:06 |
| james_li | yeah | 21:06 |
| james_li | see we want to update the status of an assembly | 21:07 |
| james_li | what we did is that first do a query to db and load the row to a sqlalchemy object | 21:08 |
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| james_li | then update the object, | 21:08 |
| james_li | then writes back to db | 21:08 |
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| james_li | but not in a single session. | 21:08 |
| james_li | if a delete operation comes in between we got the problem | 21:08 |
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| james_li | thats why we saw *random* failures on solum gate | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | ah !! okay.. so the delete will load the object as well and then if the first operation updates after the delete is complete the row will be back in the table. | 21:10 |
| ravips | james_li: we can have lost update problem but why the delete op not successful? | 21:10 |
| james_li | ravips: yes | 21:10 |
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| james_li | my another patch solves the problem by retrying | 21:10 |
| james_li | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154296/ | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: I think the way we check in the functional test whether a delete was successful | 21:11 |
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| devkulkarni | is to do a GET for it | 21:11 |
| ravips | james_li: devkulkarni: yeah, understood | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: cool | 21:11 |
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| devkulkarni | james_li: nice work on that patch. | 21:12 |
| james_li | ok | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | I remember seeing lot of gate failures before that patch landed | 21:12 |
| james_li | yes | 21:12 |
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| devkulkarni | about the retry logic | 21:12 |
| devkulkarni | could you talk more about it.. | 21:12 |
| james_li | sure | 21:12 |
| james_li | if two db transactions wants to lock the same row | 21:13 |
| james_li | what db engine does is to let one go through | 21:13 |
| james_li | and throws an exception for another one | 21:13 |
| james_li | so the retry mechanism is as simple as catch the error (i.e. DBDeadlock and StaleDataError) and do a retry of the operation | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | ok, got it | 21:14 |
| james_li | nova and glance do the similar thing | 21:14 |
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| james_li | I just borrow some code from them :) | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | :) | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | makes sense to add retry logic | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | thanks james_li for both the patches | 21:15 |
| james_li | np | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | moving on to the next feature update | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | this one also goes to james_li | 21:16 |
| devkulkarni | (james_li): Custom port support | 21:16 |
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| james_li | my ongoing work is to have a configurable port mapping | 21:16 |
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| james_li | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158482/ | 21:16 |
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| james_li | solum needs to know the ports that apps listen on because solum needs to publish ports from app's docker container to VM | 21:17 |
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| james_li | like: docker run -p 80:80 -p 443:443 <IMG> | 21:17 |
| james_li | The patch provides a easy way for users to config the ports. | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | so these will be the ports on the DU? | 21:18 |
| james_li | and it is under review now | 21:18 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: yes | 21:18 |
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| devkulkarni | cool | 21:19 |
| gpilz | so ports are a sub-node of 'artifact' | 21:19 |
| james_li | gpilz: yes | 21:19 |
| gpilz | makes sense | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | why multiple ports james_li? | 21:19 |
| james_li | some app listens on multiple ports, like solum itself | 21:20 |
| gpilz | SSL vs non-SSL is one example | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | ok, makes sense | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | nice stuff james_li | 21:20 |
| ravips | james_li: app show will also display the ports for the app? | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | eventually | 21:21 |
| james_li | ravips: thats the client side change | 21:21 |
| james_li | not yet done | 21:21 |
| ravips | ok | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: what will be the du_url? | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | which port will that have? | 21:21 |
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| james_li | I think we just return the IP? | 21:22 |
| james_li | as user knows the ports | 21:22 |
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| devkulkarni | right, thats what we currently return (so port is 80) | 21:22 |
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| james_li | yes | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | your custom port is the port from the container | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | ravips, datsun180b: makes sense to send info about all the relevant ports in app show | 21:23 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: i think user might be running any service, can be http/mysql or something on the given port and its app specific | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | agreed. and in that case we will have to modify the du_url to include the right port. right? | 21:24 |
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| ravips | devkulkarni: du_url is for triggering builds? | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: no, du_url is actually the app url. the url of the deployed application | 21:25 |
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| devkulkarni | for triggering builds, we have the notion of a trigger_url | 21:25 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: how do we know the endpoint for the user app? | 21:25 |
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| devkulkarni | so currently we get the IP from heat stack-create, and that IP is essentially the user app endpoint. | 21:26 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: may plan file can have optional param to specify the endpoint and platform can return <ip>/<endpoint>:<given port> | 21:26 |
| gpilz | +1 | 21:26 |
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| devkulkarni | so the endpoint in this sense is sort of a context root? | 21:27 |
| gpilz | why make the client do the work of figuring out IP + port + resource path | 21:27 |
| gpilz | ? | 21:27 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: yes | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | yeah, specifying the required ports and the app url in planfile/or command line args makes sense | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | but for that we need backend support | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | whereby | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | our heat templates need to change to accommodate dns resource | 21:28 |
| devkulkarni | but, conceptually I don't see a problem in the proposal | 21:29 |
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| devkulkarni | any more thoughts on this feature? if not, I can continue with updates on deployments | 21:29 |
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| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni): Supporting different backends for deployment | 21:30 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: we need port and endpoint/context-root association defined in the plan file otherwise when user specifies multiple ports, we don't know which port belongs to which endpoint | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: yes, agreed. | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: what do you think? we could restrict to one port for now | 21:31 |
| devkulkarni | since we don't yet have the dns resource in our HOT | 21:32 |
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| james_li | devkulkarni: sure | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | so essentially, the custom port will be the port on the container, which is always mapped to same port on the VM. Then, the application url is just the IP address that we get back from heat and the port | 21:33 |
| devkulkarni | ravips, james_li: thoughts? | 21:33 |
| james_li | +1 | 21:34 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: for the first pass, instead of showing app url we can display ip and exposed ports to the user | 21:34 |
| gpilz | one problem I see is with applications that have more than one artifact | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: but then how would the user get the application url? how do they know which port to use? | 21:35 |
| gpilz | but maybe we should leave that discussion for another time | 21:35 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: my assumption here is user has defined the ports, given the ip user should be able to deduce the url | 21:35 |
| devkulkarni | gpilz: yes, we need few other things in place before we can tackle multiple artifact use case | 21:36 |
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| devkulkarni | ravips: when you say, user has defined the ports, that means user has somehow specified that a particular port, say 5000, is where the application will be available on, vs, another port, say 4444, is where the JMX agent will be replying to | 21:37 |
| devkulkarni | but for that we need to introduce the required mechanisms in the plan file and/or on the CLI | 21:37 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: james_li current work support specifying ports in the plan file right? | 21:38 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: how much effort do you see in introducing some sort of indicator in the plan file | 21:39 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: yes | 21:39 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: don't understand | 21:39 |
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| gpilz | can we make the simplifying assumption that every artifact will result in one enpoint that may have more than one port? | 21:40 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: what I meant is, to support what ravips is saying, for each port we would need to indicate whether it is application url port vs. port for some other aspects of the application | 21:40 |
| gpilz | so planfile says "88, 451" | 21:41 |
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| gpilz | this results in URIs http://somenode.org:88/foo/buzzle | 21:41 |
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| gpilz | http://somenode.org:451/foo/buzzle | 21:41 |
| gpilz | sorry "https"? | 21:41 |
| gpilz | how did you know https? | 21:42 |
| gpilz | nevermind | 21:42 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: i think the ports defined in plan file are just for app itself | 21:42 |
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| devkulkarni | gpilz: sure. and I am saying, we need some way to distinguish that port 88 is http vs. port 541 is for https. | 21:43 |
| gpilz | right, exactly | 21:43 |
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| gpilz | it seems like there are two pieces of this problem | 21:43 |
| gpilz | one is creating the necessary mappings so you an actually connect to the application in whatever way you are supposed to connect to it | 21:43 |
| gpilz | and the other is advertising those endpoints | 21:43 |
| gpilz | seem like james' patch addresses the first problem but not the second | 21:44 |
| gpilz | ? | 21:44 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: I am working with the view point that solum needs to tell the app deployer the application url (http://somenode.org:88), and that it should not be the application developer's responsibility to construct this url | 21:44 |
| james_li | gpilz: yes | 21:44 |
| gpilz | ravips - i agree, but i don't think we should lay that work on this patch | 21:45 |
| datsun180b | deffo later | 21:45 |
| devkulkarni | I am also of the opinion that it could be done in a later patch | 21:45 |
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| ravips | gpilz: james_li: yes, this can be done later | 21:46 |
| ravips | i think current work by james_li is the first step | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: cool. yep, this is the first step in that direction | 21:46 |
| devkulkarni | wow! its almost end of the meeting time.. | 21:46 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: someone can create a blueprint to support further use cases | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | ravips: makes sense. | 21:47 |
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| devkulkarni | I am inclining towards postponing further updates to next meeting and jumping to Blueprint/task review | 21:47 |
| devkulkarni | there is one particular item I want to get to today | 21:48 |
| devkulkarni | since we have ravips and akshayc with us | 21:48 |
| devkulkarni | what do you all think about jumping to task review? | 21:48 |
| gpilz | +1 | 21:48 |
| akshayc | +1 | 21:48 |
| ravips | proceed | 21:48 |
| devkulkarni | ok then.. | 21:48 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:49 |
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| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni): Converting bash scripts to Python in build-app, unittest-app, build-lp | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | Here is the latest on this | 21:49 |
| akshayc | we found a way to get around on the dependency issue | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | In our testing, we are now realizing that the fact that our core engine not being in python has started to hurt us | 21:49 |
| devkulkarni | and so we need these to be converted to python for better testing, logging, etc. | 21:50 |
| devkulkarni | there are few things already in place: | 21:50 |
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| devkulkarni | 1) set of patches by ravips | 21:50 |
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| devkulkarni | 2) akshayc's willingness to take over that work from ravips | 21:51 |
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| devkulkarni | 3) some of the blockers, like ability to use dockery-py | 21:51 |
| devkulkarni | and there is one more thing to that list | 21:51 |
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| devkulkarni | 4) from rackers, james_li is also interested in helping out with that work | 21:52 |
| devkulkarni | about the overall approach — | 21:52 |
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| devkulkarni | I see this can be tackled in two ways.. | 21:52 |
| devkulkarni | One approach is what ravips has put forth. this is a top-down approach | 21:53 |
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| devkulkarni | where we start with changing the interface between shell.py and the bash scripts | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | Another approach is to do a inside-out approach. | 21:53 |
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| devkulkarni | where we don't change the interface first, but start with changing small little things inside those scripts | 21:53 |
| devkulkarni | an example of this is: | 21:54 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157594/ | 21:54 |
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| devkulkarni | I feel that the inside-out approach will give us incremental way to move forward | 21:54 |
| devkulkarni | thoughts? | 21:55 |
| akshayc | what do you mean by inside out? start using python in bash scripts first? | 21:55 |
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| devkulkarni | yes | 21:56 |
| devkulkarni | without changing the interface. | 21:56 |
| devkulkarni | the main advantage here is it is in small incremental steps | 21:56 |
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| devkulkarni | I don't know if the final shape of these changes would line up with ravips's proposed changes | 21:56 |
| akshayc | ok…. that might work…. | 21:56 |
| devkulkarni | and I agree that ravips's work is where we want to eventually reach | 21:57 |
| ravips | devkulkarni: good compromise, minimal hindrance to the rest of the development | 21:57 |
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| akshayc | ya…. the last step will be big | 21:57 |
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| devkulkarni | cool | 21:57 |
| ravips | james_li: thx for signing up for this task | 21:57 |
| devkulkarni | so that was the main point I wanted to bring up. | 21:57 |
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| devkulkarni | we have 3 minutes remaining | 21:57 |
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| devkulkarni | let me just start the open discussion topic | 21:58 |
| devkulkarni | #topic open discussion | 21:58 |
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| devkulkarni | ok then.. | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | thanks everyone for joining today | 21:59 |
| devkulkarni | we will continue with feature updates in the next meeting | 22:00 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 24 22:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-02-24-21.00.html | 22:00 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting containers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 24 22:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| sdake | magnum ftw [\o-----, | 22:01 |
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| daneyon_ | Daneyon Hansen | 22:01 |
| yuanying-alt | Yuanying | 22:01 |
| Tango | Hi, Ton Ngo, new comer | 22:01 |
| hongbin | Hongbin Lu | 22:01 |
| sdake | hey welcome tango | 22:01 |
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| suro_ | Surojit Pathak - joining new | 22:01 |
| sdake | hey surojit | 22:01 |
| sdake | lots of new cats - welcome! | 22:01 |
| tcammann | hello | 22:01 |
| sdake | suro and tango we normally have the other half join in our other weekly meeting on alternating weeks | 22:01 |
| tcammann | Tom Camman | 22:01 |
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| sdake | hey Tom | 22:02 |
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| sdake | you guys can just \o you don't actually ahve to identify yourselves if you dont want :) | 22:02 |
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| sdake | #topic announcements | 22:02 |
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| sdake | Adrian will be back next week | 22:02 |
| sdake | but next week is also the summit midcycle | 22:02 |
| sdake | so there is no meeting scheduled via irc | 22:02 |
| sdake | although for the midcycle there will be google hangout telepresence | 22:02 |
| sdake | also. | 22:03 |
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| sdake | Mirantis is now actively competing with Magnum | 22:03 |
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| sdake | having two competitors in one open source project is a sign we picked the right tech ;-) | 22:03 |
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| sdake | #topic agenda | 22:03 |
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| wkharold | wkharold, late to the party | 22:04 |
| sdake | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-02-24_2200_UTC | 22:04 |
| daneyon_ | any info why Mirantis is competing instead of contributing to Magnum? | 22:04 |
| sdake | hey wkharold | 22:04 |
| sdake | daneyon_ my suspicion is time to market | 22:04 |
| sdake | but who knows, maybe the sky had a green tint in december ;-) | 22:04 |
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| sdake | anyone wish to add to agenda? | 22:04 |
| wkharold | Mirantis, does what's right for Mirantis in my experience | 22:05 |
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| sdake | ok well that was so funny I had to cut and passte to my old c olleague there hope you dont mind :) | 22:05 |
| wkharold | np | 22:05 |
| daneyon_ | wkharold: agreed. IIMO it looks better for OS if we're working together instead of competing. | 22:05 |
| sdake | #topic blueprint review | 22:06 |
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| sdake | ok we have a slew of blueprints to get through | 22:06 |
| sdake | first off I'd liek to discuss the prolifieration of tempaltes without them going upstream | 22:06 |
| sdake | my suggestoin is people should try to get them into larsks repo, for the day that Mirantis wants to join the party we have started | 22:06 |
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| sdake | atm, everyorne is kind of jamming them into our repo | 22:07 |
| sdake | I'm sure larsks would appreciate a community to develop around his templates | 22:07 |
| sdake | so, whats our plan to get our work into his repo? | 22:07 |
| sdake | crickets | 22:08 |
| tcammann | Is it possible to get that repo into stackforge? | 22:08 |
| sdake | ok here is what I propose | 22:08 |
| sdake | well, that is a good idea | 22:08 |
| daneyon_ | cherry-pick and submit PRs to his repo? | 22:08 |
| sdake | he does take pull requests | 22:08 |
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| wkharold | +1 | 22:08 |
| sdake | I hadn't thought of the stackforge idea | 22:09 |
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| sdake | I'll ask him about it | 22:09 |
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| sdake | I'd like to get to the point where we can just copy his full tree out and be good to go | 22:09 |
| tcammann | We could pull changes from his repo | 22:09 |
| wkharold | tho I'm not clear on who larsks is and what templates we're talking about | 22:09 |
| tcammann | https://github.com/larsks/heat-kubernetes | 22:09 |
| sdake | larsks is the cat who wrote all the templates magnum uses | 22:09 |
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| wkharold | got it, tnx | 22:09 |
| sdake | and we hae gone and made coreos, ironic, and a few other variants | 22:10 |
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| wkharold | check | 22:10 |
| sdake | we have 4 or 5 people working on templates | 22:10 |
| sdake | nice they come from one source | 22:10 |
| sdake | I'll hit larsks up and bring up the results at the next meeting | 22:10 |
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| sdake | ok now for blueprints | 22:10 |
| sdake | keep in mind our deadline is the 27-29 of Feb | 22:11 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: why not have larsks add his templates to #link https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates | 22:11 |
| sdake | daneyon_ I dont really like that repository, its not maintained very well | 22:11 |
| tcammann | We wouldn't have +2s on that | 22:11 |
| sdake | I know because I had to struggle to maintain it | 22:11 |
| daneyon_ | sdake: OK. thx | 22:11 |
| sdake | ya tcammann has it right as well | 22:12 |
| sdake | first the essential blueprints | 22:12 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/ironic-heat-template | 22:12 |
| sdake | still slow progress? | 22:12 |
| yuanying-alt | template is finished | 22:12 |
| yuanying-alt | but not integrated | 22:12 |
| yuanying-alt | to magnum | 22:12 |
| sdake | integrated and working by 29th? | 22:12 |
| sdake | like 4 days :) | 22:13 |
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| yuanying-alt | ideally i need to multi template support | 22:13 |
| sdake | what does that mean? | 22:14 |
| sdake | integrate all the templatews? | 22:14 |
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| yuanying-alt | ironic template needs specific parameter | 22:14 |
| yuanying-alt | Can i add it to baymodel simply? | 22:14 |
| sdake | at baymodel or baycreatioin time? | 22:14 |
| yuanying-alt | yes | 22:15 |
| sdake | my theory about baymodel, is if your happy with it being permanent, baymodel is the place for it | 22:15 |
| yuanying-alt | ok | 22:15 |
| sdake | supporting update on baymodel will be huge time sink | 22:15 |
| sdake | something to be done, maybe later ;) | 22:15 |
| yuanying-alt | i see | 22:15 |
| sdake | so good progress sounds like? | 22:15 |
| yuanying-alt | yes | 22:15 |
| sdake | nice getting closer to green ;) | 22:16 |
| yuanying-alt | i change it to good progress | 22:16 |
| sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-bay-status | 22:16 |
| sdake | not startedd | 22:16 |
| sdake | I'm likely just to bump this one if there are not objections yuanying | 22:16 |
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| sdake | I don't think its all that essential anwyay, more like a medium | 22:16 |
| sdake | thoughts? | 22:16 |
| yuanying-alt | agree | 22:17 |
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| apmelton | yea... it would be nice, but at the moment you can just do a heat stack-list | 22:17 |
| wkharold | that | 22:17 |
| sdake | ya a bit hacky but works | 22:17 |
| tcammann | +1 | 22:17 |
| hongbin | NP from me | 22:17 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/python-k8sclient | 22:17 |
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| sdake | #action delisted magnum-bay-status from milestone #2 | 22:18 |
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| sdake | I think this blueprint is dead inthe water because the upstream cat who was working on the library we were going to use obliterated his repostiroy | 22:18 |
| sdake | so I guess I'll just keep it essential but move it to next milestone | 22:18 |
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| sdake | #action python-k8sclient kept essential moved to milestone #3 because of blockage on upstream | 22:19 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb | 22:19 |
| sdake | ok I've pretty much failed during kilo-2 | 22:19 |
| * sdake sadfaces | 22:19 | |
| sdake | this will have to be bumped to k3 | 22:20 |
| sdake | but I'll definately tackle it, we needi t for 2015.1.0 | 22:20 |
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| sdake | #action kept external-lb at essential but moved to milestone #3 | 22:20 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-kubernetes | 22:20 |
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| sdake | wkharold your up :) | 22:21 |
| wkharold | work tsunami | 22:21 |
| sdake | slow progress, good progress, house on fire? | 22:21 |
| wkharold | no progress, I suck | 22:21 |
| sdake | ok its no problem | 22:21 |
| sdake | I'll reset the started to not started | 22:21 |
| wkharold | \sighs | 22:21 |
| sdake | wkharold when you get a chance keep working on it, we have 1 month in our next dev cycle | 22:22 |
| wkharold | k, will do | 22:22 |
| sdake | The goood news is the essentials are out of the way | 22:22 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/docker-bay-heat-template | 22:22 |
| apmelton | that's implemented | 22:23 |
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| sdake | nice | 22:23 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/introduce-coreos | 22:24 |
| sdake | diga any word? | 22:24 |
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| sdake | well I know its good progress and not done, so I'll leave it there | 22:25 |
| sdake | maybe it will maek it | 22:25 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-docker-backend-selection | 22:25 |
| sdake | nm that isn't scheduled | 22:26 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-scheduler-for-docker | 22:26 |
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| sdake | diga isn't here - I think he is in europe or something | 22:26 |
| sdake | so I'll catch up with him when I seeh im around and get status on those two, but leaning towards kicking that one if schedule doesn't align | 22:27 |
| sdake | #link looking good for milestone #2: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/milestone-2 | 22:28 |
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| sdake | seems like our progress has slowed, but our commit count and review count are way up | 22:28 |
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| sdake | so I think we are just getting to problems that are harder to solve | 22:28 |
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| sdake | not sure why that m2-docs is on there | 22:28 |
| * sdake ever told anyone how much he despises launchpad? | 22:29 | |
| sdake | #topic open discussion | 22:29 |
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| wkharold | despising launchpad, +1 | 22:29 |
| apmelton | does anything actually like launchpad?? | 22:29 |
| wkharold | s/anything/anyone/ ? | 22:30 |
| apmelton | yes | 22:30 |
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| wkharold | canonical types probably | 22:30 |
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| sdake | ok, well if there is nothing else | 22:31 |
| sdake | I guess we can cionclude | 22:31 |
| sdake | remember the midcycle is 2nd and 3rd of march | 22:31 |
| wkharold | any word on remote participation in face-to-face? | 22:31 |
| sdake | please be there, or be square ;-) | 22:31 |
| sdake | youc an still sign up | 22:31 |
| sdake | wkharold you will be able to use google groups | 22:31 |
| wkharold | sweet | 22:31 |
| sdake | Adrian was going to document how but he has been on pto for 2 weeks | 22:31 |
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| tcammann | I will dial in too | 22:32 |
| sdake | I am sure he will tackle when he gets back | 22:32 |
| wkharold | kewl | 22:32 |
| sdake | oh, also, the chair of the BOD of OpenStack gave us a shout out in a asian conference | 22:32 |
| * sdake cheers | 22:32 | |
| wkharold | \claps | 22:32 |
| apmelton | neato | 22:33 |
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| sdake | ok I'll end the meeting now | 22:33 |
| sdake | thanks folks | 22:33 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 22:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 24 22:33:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-02-24-22.00.html | 22:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-02-24-22.00.txt | 22:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-02-24-22.00.log.html | 22:33 |
| apmelton | have a good evening/day everyone | 22:33 |
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| apmelton | o/ | 22:34 |
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