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rosmaitaglance meeting now? or do i have my weeks confused?14:02
arnaud__should be now yes14:02
rosmaitahi arnaud!14:03
arnaud__:)14:03
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TravTi guess markwash isn't around?14:05
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rosmaitaalso, nothing on the agenda14:05
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rosmaitaarnaud__: i keep losing the link to the mid-cycle meetup agenda, do you have it handy?14:06
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TravT#link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-juno-mid-cycle-meeting14:07
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rosmaitaTravT: thanks!14:07
TravTnp14:07
arnaud__I updated the address14:08
arnaud__and added directions14:08
arnaud__to get there14:08
rosmaitacool14:08
arnaud__the vmware campus is pretty big, so very easy to get lost14:08
arnaud__there should be signs as well14:08
TravTrosmaita: or arnaund: do you want to start the meeting officially?14:08
* nikhil___ was looking for any possible emails about meeting cacellation and there seem to be none14:09
rosmaitawe should definitely discuss minisummit agenda14:09
rosmaitais it #startmeeting glance or something like that?14:10
nikhil___yeah14:10
arnaud__yes :)14:10
rosmaita#startmeeting glance14:10
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 17 14:10:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:10
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:10
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rosmaitaroll call!14:10
TravTo/14:10
arnaud__haha o/14:10
nikhil___o/14:10
ativelkovo/14:10
lakshmiShi14:10
zhiyano/14:10
rosmaita#topic bugfixing days14:11
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rosmaitasorry i wasn't available the past 2 days, any comments on how things went?14:11
arnaud__(the agenda is not up to date)14:11
zhiyanwe fixed some bugs, now we have 260 bugs there14:12
arnaud__some triage has been done as well14:12
zhiyanbut we tagged some bugs, they probably can be closed safely14:12
arnaud__and tagging of bugs14:12
nikhil___and reviews14:12
nikhil___which actually merged L=:)14:13
rosmaitasounds good, thanks for all your work (to everyone who participated)14:13
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rosmaitai think we need to discuss mid-cycle meetup, but that may take some time, anyone got something they'd like to discuss first?14:14
zhiyanmy concerns is that , seems there are some frozen "in-progress" items there, most of them have higher importance14:14
arnaud__I think we need to focus on reviews now, because our review queue is getting bigger and bigger14:14
zhiyanindeed14:14
d0ugalo/14:15
rosmaitaat some point, we had a review day, do we need to do that again?14:15
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nikhil___+114:15
zhiyanso probably we can send a mail to raise a asking, and take and fix them as needed14:16
nikhil___ad-hoc review requests many times lead to semi-pending MPs14:16
zhiyan+1 for review day14:16
rosmaita#action get markwash to schedule a review day14:16
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boris-42hi guys=)14:16
rosmaitad0ugal, boris-42: hi14:17
rosmaitaanything else before mid-cycle agenda discussion?14:18
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d0ugalHi! not from me :)14:18
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rosmaita#topic mid-cycle meet-up14:19
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rosmaita#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-juno-mid-cycle-meeting14:19
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rosmaitaarnaud has added directions to the etherpad14:20
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arnaud__still figuring out for remote people14:20
arnaud__I will give an update on that asap14:20
rosmaitazhiyan: you attended last meetup remotely, do you have any suggestions?14:20
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zhiyanrosmaita: arnaud__ if it could, i think make a test before is necessary14:21
zhiyanto verify it works well14:21
arnaud__yes14:21
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arnaud__I think being in a company and not an hotel, should make things a bit easier this time14:22
rosmaita+114:23
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zhiyanping me when you want to test it, i can access it remotely as a verification/14:23
arnaud__will do14:23
rosmaitaso it looks like we have 9 topics now14:23
arnaud__today or tomorrow14:23
zhiyancool14:23
TravThow do you typically organize the agenda?  do you just vote at the beginning of the first day?14:23
zhiyanthanks arnaud__14:23
TravTtiming wise, that is.14:23
arnaud__np!14:24
rosmaitalast time, markwash just assigned times14:24
rosmaitabut looking at the topics, some will require more time than others14:24
arnaud__it also seems we will be very busy14:24
rosmaitaand i personally am in favor of maybe revisiting some topics at the end after we've had time to think and discuss14:25
rosmaitaarnaud__: do you think there is too much on the agenda now?14:25
nikhil___should we have an individual etherpads for each topic (possible re-using old ones) ?14:25
arnaud__+1 nikhil___14:25
rosmaitanikhil___: +114:25
mclarencan the v1/v2 performance one be removed? zhiyan pushed up a couple of fixes14:26
nikhil___:)14:26
arnaud__good point14:26
nikhil___boris-42: any inputs on that?14:26
boris-42nikhil___ where?)14:26
boris-42nikhil___ reading14:26
nikhil___rosmaita: arnaud__ : may be then each topic leader would create one or do you all need a volunteer?14:26
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rosmaitalooks like it already got removed!14:26
rosmaitaso 8 topics14:27
zhiyanify, those only covered "image-list" case, but others probably could be handled case by case.14:27
boris-42nikhil___ guys btw sorry for interrupting but14:27
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boris-42what about profiling stuff?)14:27
boris-42it can really reduce a lot of time14:27
arnaud__actually14:27
arnaud__I was thinking14:27
boris-42and it's quite ready14:27
arnaud__what about a demo of the profiling stuff with glance?14:27
arnaud__:)14:27
boris-42arnaud__ in any time14:27
rosmaita+114:28
boris-42arnaud__ we can make hangout call14:28
nikhil___+114:28
boris-42arnaud__ and I'll share my screen14:28
arnaud__ok sounds boris-4214:28
boris-42arnaud__ could we pick some date?14:28
rosmaitawould it make sense to do it as part of glance diagnostics, or own session?14:28
mclarenwould it help if folks updated their items with a time estimate of what they'll need? Eg some folks may only need 1/2 a session14:28
boris-42rosmaita I think it's enough to make hangout call=)14:28
boris-42rosmaita and not spend time of summit for this14:28
mclarenwow that was quick :-)14:29
rosmaitaboris-42: that sounds good, maybe we should do it during glance meeting in 2 weeks?14:29
boris-42rosmaita maybe faster?14:29
boris-42mclaren cause patches are ready for merge14:29
boris-42rosmaita ^14:29
rosmaitaboris-42: when would you like to do it?14:30
boris-42rosmaita it depends on you guys14:30
arnaud__I have added an "Estimated time" section in the ether pad, if you are leader on a section please add how much time you think you need14:30
TravTnikhil___: you put time estimate of 1 session.  Can we put in minutes?14:31
arnaud__s/on a section/of a topic14:31
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mclaren1 session = 40 minutes?14:31
arnaud__I think we should try to put in minutes14:31
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nikhil___TravT: discussions usually tend to go a little over time14:32
nikhil___arnaud__: ^14:32
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nikhil___arnaud__: is the schedule not split into equal sized sessions?14:32
arnaud__initially it should14:32
nikhil___based on arrangements for lunch and other such breaks?14:33
arnaud__but I think we have sessions that need more and sessions that need less than 1hour...14:33
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arnaud__first, does 9AM-6PM sounds reasonable?14:33
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mclaren9-5?14:34
nikhil___TravT: ok, put the session time even more explicitly :)14:34
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arnaud__ok let's go with 5:3014:34
arnaud__then14:34
mclarenok :-)14:34
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rosmaitadoes that "schedule" look ok?14:35
rosmaitado we need morning break?14:35
arnaud__I think we will need 10/15min breaks14:35
arnaud__in the middle of morning especially14:35
arnaud__:)14:35
nikhil___and evening too else the brain would be fried with too many ideas :)14:36
arnaud__10-10:1014:36
rosmaitawell, the evening is wide-open14:36
mclarenand jetlag :-)14:36
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nikhil___oh, yeah. that14:36
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rosmaitaok, so we could do 2 30 min sessions before first break, or is that unrealistic?14:38
zhiyanrosmaita: do we have a open-discuss section in this meeting ?14:38
arnaud__I will talk to markwash later today and see if we need a wiki page like we had last time14:38
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rosmaitazhiyan: +114:38
mclarendo we have more time than sessions?14:38
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rosmaitamclaren: depends on how we schedule!14:39
rosmaitai guess the key thing is: does anyone have a topic that is NOT on the agenda?14:39
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rosmaitaok, hearing none, let's stick with what's on the agenda14:41
rosmaitanot all the topics have leaders yet14:41
mclarenok. I think last time we did some ad hoc stuff aswell, which worked quite well. (remember the ideas on post-it notes?)14:41
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TravTI don't see anything specific to the artifacts work by ativelkov14:41
rosmaitamclaren: +114:42
ativelkovThe "Artifacts and Metadata service" seems related14:42
TravTthere's something called Artifacts and Metadata service, but it looks different.14:42
arnaud__+1 mclaren14:42
mclarenwill markwash be there? I'd nominate him for the image transfer one...14:42
nikhil___+114:43
ativelkovIt is probably about implementing the existing feature requests with artifact plugins14:43
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arnaud__mclaren, yep he is coming14:43
rosmaitaTravT: i was thinking the "Artifacts and Metadata Service" would cover artifacts, who proposed it?14:43
TravTrosmaita: i don't know.14:43
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TravTit talks about Grafiti, though.14:43
rosmaitaativelkov: ?14:43
ativelkovnot me.14:44
rosmaitaativelkov: do you want to lead that discussion (and make sure artifacts work gets discussed)?14:44
ativelkovI will14:44
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rosmaitacool, feel free to rewrite the description14:44
ativelkovIf the initial author of this description does not object14:44
mclarenI nominated markwash for the Transfer one -- unless someone here wants it14:44
TravTmaybe we need a field "requestor"14:45
TravTso we know who put it up there?14:45
rosmaitaTravT: +114:45
mclarenI'm sure he'll thank me :-)14:45
rosmaita#action remember to put "requestor" field on agenda next time14:45
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TravTativelkov: i would like to ensure we can discuss on what the relationship is between the artifact service and the metadata catalog we are working on.14:46
ativelkovTravT: right. We do not want any overlaps14:46
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arnaud__I think also, it would be nice to have a session, we select a couple of bugs and we discuss them14:47
rosmaitanikhil___ : did you want to do transfer sevice? i think you proposed it14:47
arnaud__(if we have enough time)14:47
nikhil___rosmaita: well, it's going to be a cross project discussion14:48
rosmaitaarnaud__: how about we use glance drivers meeting tomorrow to work with markwash to make an agenda, put out announce on mailing list, and people can comment/revise before wednesday?14:48
arnaud__that's what I was thinking14:48
arnaud__sure14:48
nikhil___if mark does not prefer taking it, I can. Had left it for thim or inputs from John B.'s work which Mark would be more familiar with14:48
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mclarennikhil___: John B's work?14:49
nikhil___rosmaita: arnaud__ : we "may" need a tiny session for discussing testing moved out of glance14:49
rosmaita#action arnaud, rosmaita, markwash to create agenda with times tomorrow, will post for comments/revisions14:49
nikhil___mclaren: https://github.com/stackforge/staccato/commits/master14:49
rosmaita#action include time for post-it notes, open discussion, and testing14:49
mclarenthanks14:49
rosmaita(i don't think i am using #action correctly)14:50
rosmaitaanything else about minisummit?14:50
nikhil___rosmaita: adding the testing item to agenda14:51
nikhil___seems like there is a cross project discussion going on in ML14:51
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TravTthere were some rest api discussions on ML.  if there was a conclusion, getting a summary would be good.14:54
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TravTrosmaita: are we in open discussion?14:56
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arnaud____netsplit?14:58
rosmaita_guess so, what did i miss?14:58
TravTwell, i asked if we are in open discussion?14:59
arnaud____1min left, I think we are TravT14:59
TravTwe had a question on files for the schemas.14:59
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rosmaita_#topic open discussion14:59
TravTbasically, are we supposed to create a single file per table in the schema files?14:59
TravTor is it okay to lump them together?14:59
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rosmaita_you mean the json schemas?15:00
wayne_migrate_repo versions15:00
TravTthe sql alchemy migrate files15:00
TravTlike : •    001_add_images_table.py15:00
TravTlooks like we are out of time today, though.15:01
rosmaita_TravT: maybe send to ML ?15:01
TravTok.15:01
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TravTit is also in code review15:01
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rosmaita_boris-42: could you send proposal for google hangout time for demo?15:01
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rosmaita_we are over time15:02
rosmaita_#endmeeting15:02
boris-42rosmaita_ in meeting by I will15:02
arnaud____TravT, I think it should be per table15:02
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cknight#startmeeting manila15:02
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openstackcknight: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.15:02
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rosmaita#endmeeting15:03
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cknight#startmeeting manila15:03
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cknightHi, manila team.15:03
ameadeo/15:03
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vponomaryovHello15:03
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cknightOur illustrious PTL, bswartz, has an unavoidable conflict today.  He sends his apologies.15:03
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deepakcs_cknight, blame his calendar ;-)15:04
tbarronhi15:04
cknight#topic Development Status15:04
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cknightvponomaryov, you're up15:04
vponomaryovDev status:15:04
vponomaryov1) '--share-server' filter opt for share list API15:04
vponomaryovbp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/add-admin-api-list-shares-for-share-server15:04
vponomaryovgerrit, server side: #link https://review.openstack.org/10772915:04
vponomaryovstatus: work in progress15:04
vponomaryov2) refactor of test framework in manila:15:05
vponomaryovbp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/testr-with-unittests15:05
vponomaryovgerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/10732315:05
vponomaryovstatus: ready for review15:05
vponomaryov3) oslo.db15:05
vponomaryovbp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/oslo.db15:05
vponomaryovgerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/10676615:05
vponomaryovstatus: ready for review15:05
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vponomaryov4) Usage of common code in manilaclient15:05
vponomaryovbp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/use-common-code15:05
vponomaryovgerrit:15:05
vponomaryov#link https://review.openstack.org/10676115:05
vponomaryov#link https://review.openstack.org/10686915:05
vponomaryov#link https://review.openstack.org/10687415:05
vponomaryov#link https://review.openstack.org/10701715:05
vponomaryov#link https://review.openstack.org/10703415:05
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vponomaryovstatus: commits are ready for review, bp is in progress15:05
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vponomaryovthat's all for status15:06
cknightvponomaryov, thanks.  For #1, we didn't close last week on the CLI portion.  So —share-server is an optional argument to the existing list command?15:06
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vponomaryovcknight: yes15:07
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cknightvponomaryov: great, thanks.  makes more sense than adding a new command since we didn't add a new API.15:07
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cknightAnyone have any questions about any of the dev status?15:08
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cknightOK, sounds like we have much to review.  Thanks, vponomaryov.15:09
ameadeonly thought i have around those things is that we dont seem to be keeping up with bp approvals and things15:09
deepakcs_cknight, I am working on a new blueprint on provding new access_type = cert - just wanted to give heads up here.15:09
cknightameade: I'll ping Ben for the bp approvals.15:09
deepakcs_We can probably discuss it once i put it up on LP15:09
ameadedeepakcs_: good to know!15:09
deepakcs_ameade, :)15:09
cknightdeepakcs_:  OK, just add it to the agenda for next week if you're ready15:10
nileshbAn heads up from my side ... I am working on a new manila driver for IBM GPFS based systems15:10
deepakcs_cknight, sure, where do i add it ? is there a wikipage ?15:10
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deepakcs_nileshb, is there a bp for that already ?15:10
nileshbplan to submit a patch in a couple of weeks15:10
cknightdeepakcs_:  https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:10
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nileshbyes15:10
deepakcs_nileshb, cool, will take a look15:10
deepakcs_cknight, thanks15:10
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cknightnileshb: is there a bp for the new driver?15:11
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deepakcs_cknight, I will send mail to openstack-dev with the bp link, hoping to get early feedback on the cert based access type15:11
nileshbhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/gpfs-driver15:11
cknightnileshb: thanks15:11
cknight#topic Changes to generic & NetApp drivers for access groups15:11
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nileshbsure ... just had a discussion with Ben on this15:12
cknightameade:  your turn15:12
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ameadeso really I just need to ask vponomaryov and Yulia a few questions about how the export rules for those drivers currently work15:12
ameadebut a more general question I have is, are there any tests around access_allow atm?15:13
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vponomaryovameade: manila/tests/api/contrib/test_share_actions.py15:14
ameadevponomaryov: anything that tests the driver code?15:14
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vponomaryovameade: driver tests15:15
vponomaryovameade: all unittests are splited by modules15:15
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ameadevponomaryov: are there any functional tests?15:15
vponomaryovameade: tempest15:16
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ameadeI'll do a little bit of digging, we can move on with the meeting cknight15:16
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cknightameade: ok, please set a concall with vponomaryov if needed15:17
cknight#topic Open Discussion15:17
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vponomaryovcknight: one thing from me15:17
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vponomaryovcknight: about python-manilaclient project on launchpad15:18
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vponomaryov cknight: we need to be in charge of it and have possibility to manage bugs and blueprints15:18
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cknightvponomaryov:  no argument there, who controls it now?15:19
vponomaryovcknight:  #link https://launchpad.net/python-manilaclient15:19
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vponomaryovcknight: Chuck Short15:19
cknightvponomaryov:  I see bswartz as the driver & maintainer.  What else do we need to change?15:20
vponomaryovtry enter bugs or blueprints15:20
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xyang1Report bug link is disabled15:21
vponomaryovcknight: ther is no possibility to manage bugs and blueprint for the moment15:21
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nileshbOne doubt I had while I was trying to understand the current manila functionality - create a share from (another) share's snapshot15:21
cknightvponomaryov:  #accept OK, I'll take the action to follow up with bswartz15:21
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nileshbwhat would be a typical use-case here?15:22
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deepakcs_nileshb, typically usecase is the golden image one15:22
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vponomaryovnileshb: creation share not from scratch but with data from another share15:23
deepakcs_nileshb, if u have a share with some data that u want to checkpoint and then offer it as RO to others15:23
nileshbthe golden image concept works well with cinder15:23
nileshbwhere we cannot attach the same volume to multiple vms15:23
deepakcs_nileshb, ya.. i know, but the same analogy can be applied to manila shares15:23
nileshbbut thats not the case with Manila15:23
deepakcs_nileshb, i think cinder does provide a shared volume... iirc15:23
nileshbwe can mount a single share on multiple instances15:23
scottdaI don't think Cinder has multi-attach yet15:24
nileshbdeepakcs: not sure if that feature is merged yet in cinder15:24
vponomaryovnileshb: in Manila - just copying data to new share15:24
deepakcs_scottda, i thot i saw some 'shared' attr somewhere .. but i may be wrong15:24
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nileshbthen it would be create share from an existing share ... still the use-case is not clear15:24
deepakcs_nileshb, creating a new share from snap is like having a new share with the snap's data but no dep on the snap or its original share15:24
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vponomaryovnileshb: having backup-state share is not use case?15:25
deepakcs_nileshb, existign share can have in-flight I/Os and may not be in consistent state. Snaps are supposed to be.. atleast if u want to logically use it later (eg> backup src)15:25
nileshbprobably restoring the share to a past snap will find better adoption ... well we will need to give more thought to it15:25
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deepakcs_nileshb, just thinking aloud.. u can snap a finance-dept share on 31st March, and create a new share out of it and give it to audit folks ;-) w/o any dep on orig share15:26
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nileshbdeepakcs_: I agree, so its clone share functionality actually, wherein snapshot is a first step15:26
deepakcs_nileshb, yes.. and that is the standard way its done in the storage world15:27
nileshbI understand ... we have it in cinder15:27
deepakcs_nileshb, the only way to create a new share from a past checkpoint (snap) in a rw way is to use snap15:28
deepakcs_and create share-from-snap15:28
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nileshbdeepakcs_: I agree, so we can have a clone_share API, which internally creates a snap15:28
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deepakcs_nileshb, are u trying to map this to GPFS specifics by any chance ;-) ?15:29
nileshbdeepakcs_: not really, just thinking aloud :)15:29
deepakcs_nileshb, how would clone_share be any different (other than the API name)15:29
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nileshbbasically, wanted to find typical use-case of creating a new share from another share's snapshot ... when you can mount the same original share wherever you want15:30
nileshbdeepakcs_:but the example you gave for the use-case looks right15:30
deepakcs_nileshb, clone share while the share is in use.. isn't a good way15:31
deepakcs_nileshb, it might make sense when share is not in use tho'15:31
deepakcs_vponomaryov, cknight what do u folks think ^^ ?15:31
nileshbit is as well .. but in that case, create share from snap is hidden from user15:31
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vponomaryovdeepakcs_: agree, that share should not be used while snapshoting15:32
deepakcs_nileshb, creating a snap under the covers (which takes disk space) isn't good.. u wud create snap, clone, delete snap.. under the covers..15:32
deepakcs_vponomaryov, no, nileshb was asking for a new clone_share API which will create a new share (and i was suggesting we can provide that if share is NOT in use)15:32
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cknightclone_share may make more sense in the context of a workflow that quiesces VMs, creates snaps, etc.15:33
scottdaDoes snapshot work with the generic driver?15:33
deepakcs_nileshb, maybe a good topic to discuss on the list.. shoot one :)15:33
vponomaryovdeepakcs_: from share directly without snapshots?15:33
deepakcs_vponomaryov, thats what nileshb was asking.. IIUC15:33
deepakcs_cknight, we can already do that in 2 diff steps tho'15:34
vponomaryovdeepakcs_: I think yes, it makes sense15:34
nileshbI meant, clone_share() will internally have an snapshot created anyhow ...15:34
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deepakcs_nileshb, we already have that.. but we need to use 2 steps... so IIUC all u asking is a 1 step process15:34
vponomaryovnileshb: it is upto backend in that case15:34
vponomaryovnileshb: no entities in DB, etc15:35
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nileshbvponomaryov: I agree15:35
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deepakcs_vponomaryov, good point.. the backend may have features to optimize clone share15:35
cknightnileshb: sounds like you can follow up more widely on the mailing list15:36
nileshbdeepakcs_:exactly15:36
vponomaryovnileshb, deepakcs_: agree, cloning/snapshoting shares has a good way for improvement15:36
deepakcs_nileshb, and if u have a good example of a backend to justify, pls add to the mail :)15:36
nileshbcknight: sure15:36
cknightAny other topics for today?15:37
vponomaryovcknight: not from me15:37
cknightxyang1: any update from your legal team?15:38
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xyang1cknight: not yet.  they are still looking.  I'm hoping to hear about the decision in mid aug15:38
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cknightxyang1: ok, thanks15:38
deepakcs_any update on the incubation ?15:38
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cknightdeepakcs_:  I haven't heard anything this week.  bswartz is handling that.15:39
deepakcs_cknight, np15:39
cknightOK, let's call it then.  Thanks everyone!15:40
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cknight#endmeeting15:40
nileshbthanks all15:40
xyang1thanks15:40
dustinsThanks!15:40
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ameadebye folks!15:40
rushil1thanks15:40
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deepakcs_bye all15:40
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vkozhukalovhi guys, are you ready?16:00
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angdraughi, always ready :D16:00
vkozhukalov#startmeeting Fuel16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 17 16:00:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vkozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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vkozhukalov#chair vkozhukalov16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: vkozhukalov16:00
evgeniylHi16:00
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vkramskikhhi16:00
xarsesHi Dr. Nick16:00
ikalnitskyo/16:00
vkozhukalov#topic Greetings, announcements16:00
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vkozhukalov#topic 5.1 feature freeze status16:01
meow-noferhi16:01
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vkozhukalovdpyzhov: do you have any details on this topic16:01
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vkozhukalovafaik we merged a lot of new code and found a lot of new issues16:02
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angdraugdoesn't look like we have any changes WRT features since last week16:03
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angdraugbug numbers from the Tuesday's bug squashing are here:16:03
angdraug#link https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/spreadsheets/d/10mUeRwOplnmoe_RFkrUSeVEw-__ZMU2nq23BOY-gzYs/edit#gid=129811563216:03
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vkozhukalovthanx angdraug16:03
angdraugwe should be making this much progress everyday to fix enough high priority bugs by 5.1 release16:03
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angdraugmihgen proposed to have soft code freeze next thursday16:04
vkozhukalovcurrent topic is feature freeze for 5.116:04
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aglarendilso, I will replace mihgen16:05
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aglarendilwe have almost all features merged into the master, except some of mlnx code16:05
aglarendilwe are waiting for CI to pass for this code16:06
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aglarendilthere is a floating bug related to swift that breaks ubuntu CI pass16:06
aglarendil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107749/16:06
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aglarendilas soon as it is merged we can retrigger jobs and if they pass - merge mlnx code into fuel-library16:06
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aglarendilalso, there is some code in merge queue for fuel-web16:07
aglarendildpyzhov can provide update on it16:07
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angdraugaglarendil: what about NSX? did it land?16:07
aglarendilangdraug: yep16:07
aglarendilangdraug: also there is galera improvements code that we need to merge into fuel-library16:07
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vkozhukalovyes a lot of requests in fuel-web are waiting to be merged16:08
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aglarendil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106516/16:08
aglarendilit is also blocked by swift failure16:08
aglarendilxarses: can provide update on ML2 support16:08
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dpyzhovI see two unmerged mellanox reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106007/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104501/16:09
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dpyzhovAll other mellanox code is in master16:09
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xarsesaglarendil: the last update in the ML is still correct. HA is still a problem because of OCF scripts and upstart are fighting to run the services16:10
aglarendilxarses: we do not know about this issue. you need to land override scripts for upstart16:10
vkozhukalovaglarendil wrote ^^^ that they are waiting for mlnx code to pass ci tests16:10
dpyzhovvkozhukalov: I’m talking about fuel-web repo only16:10
aglarendilxarses: as we did in our code for other neutron agents16:10
xarsesaglarendil: correct, that is the next step16:10
aglarendilxarses: in our current code it is already done16:11
aglarendilxarses: regarding swift bug, you can apply https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107749/16:11
vkozhukalovdpyzhov: what about fuel_agent stuff? there are 3 requests16:11
vkozhukalov2 for fuel-main and 1 for fuel-web16:11
xarsesaglarendil: the code in our puppet-neutron is very inconsistent with how each service is stopped, so I'm trying to work out how much beating each service needs16:12
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aglarendilxarses: we are using two approaches: 1) disable default provider's management of services 2) add override files for upstart16:12
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xarses3) use an exec to ensure that it's killed16:13
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aglarendilxarses: this is pretty harsh way. I would not use it16:13
xarsesWe already do16:13
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xarseswhich is why im iterating through how much 'beating' the services need16:14
aglarendilxarses: let's move it to follow up and discuss separately in fuel-dev after the meeting16:14
xarsesyes16:14
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angdraugdoesn't sound like ML2 is making it to 5.116:14
angdraugit's already past its FF exception deadline16:14
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angdraugI mean upstream ML216:14
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aglarendilangdraug: unless we do very thorough testing and merge it carefully16:15
aglarendilangdraug: but I would move it to 6.0 along with all the other upstream manifests merge16:15
angdraug+116:15
angdraugmoving on?16:16
vkozhukalovmoving16:16
aglarendilalso, upstream manifests merge is half completed16:16
aglarendiljust a moment, guys16:16
aglarendil#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/merge-openstack-puppet-modules16:16
vkozhukalov#topic 5.0.1 release status16:16
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angdraugwe still have 2 bugs blocking 5.0.1 afaiu:16:17
angdraug#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/134271916:17
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1342719 in fuel "Rabbit is unavailable" [Critical,Confirmed]16:17
angdraug#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/130582616:17
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1305826 in fuel/5.1.x "Swift Ringbuilder rebalance fails" [Critical,In progress]16:17
angdrauganyone got update on those 2?16:17
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aglarendilI have16:17
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aglarendilthe first one should be addressed by oslo.messaging patch16:18
aglarendilwhich is under development and testing now16:18
angdraugit should have been by previous 2 versions of that patch16:18
aglarendilit requires more work as it seemed16:18
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angdraug#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/134071116:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1340711 in fuel/5.0.x "[OSCI] building oslo-messaging for rpm and deb" [Critical,In progress]16:19
angdraugis this the same thing?16:19
aglarendillooks like16:19
angdraugalso, why is #1305826 different priority for 5.0.1 and 5.1? is it critical in 5.0.1 or not?16:19
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aglarendilangdraug: it is not breaking current deployments16:19
aglarendilangdraug: but may if puppet changes ordering of resources16:20
vkozhukalovdo we need to sqash those bugs?16:20
aglarendilangdraug: and it is blocking CI now16:20
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aglarendilthere is fix available already16:20
aglarendil#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107767/16:20
angdrauganyone from QA around?16:20
nurlayes16:21
angdraugis ISO #135 our RC2?16:21
angdrauglatest comment on the rabbitmq bug is that it's fixed there16:21
angdraugif it is, I think it should be the RC216:21
nurlalooks like no. because we wait new iso with oslo path16:22
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angdraugif it's not, then we need to make another ISO and that means we can as well merge the fix for swift ringbuilder bug16:22
nurlapath only in custom repo16:22
nurlayes, fix for swift we can merge16:22
angdraugthanks!16:22
nurlauw)16:23
angdraugsummary for 5.0.1 status: 2 more fixes to merge before we can build an RC, links above16:23
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vkozhukalovok, moving16:23
vkozhukalov#topic LP tags vs [tags] in bug summary vs LP karma16:24
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vkozhukalovrmoe: around?16:24
xarseshe's typing16:24
rmoeyep16:24
rmoestarting tuesday (maybe?) I noticed a whole bunch of title updates adding free-form tags like [nailgun]16:25
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mattymoI like duplicate of [tag] and tag16:25
rmoe1. why are we doing this?16:25
rmoe2. why was there no discussion of this?16:25
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rmoelaunchpad already has tags so adding [tag] to everything seems dumb16:25
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xarsesit also breaks email update threads16:25
rmoeyes16:26
vkozhukalovyes, it is a little bit strange16:26
angdraugand takes away horizontal space from bugs table that could be used for information that's actually useful16:26
rmoeand all free-form tagging systems devolve into messes of 20 variations of each tag16:26
angdraugI'd rather have a short and descriptive title than a mix of tags16:26
angdraugespecially if there's more than 2 of them on the bug16:26
angdraugproposal: let's stop doing this for now and have a discussion on ML16:27
xarses+116:27
AndreyDaninI agree.16:27
vkozhukalovdoes launchpad allow to delete tags we think are not needed?16:27
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angdraugof course16:27
vkozhukalovautomatically? api?16:28
vkozhukalovor we need to go through all bugs and remove [tags] manually?16:29
angdraugI think we should do it manually16:29
xarsesin titles? lets just leave them alone16:29
AndreyDaninYou can move “oficial” tag to “unofficial” tag list16:29
angdraugand while at it, improve bug titles16:29
angdraugxarses: actually yes16:29
angdraugif you can improve a bug title, just remove [tags] from it while you're at it16:30
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angdraugotherwise, let's just avoid even more spam and email thread breakage16:30
vkozhukalovok, moving16:30
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vkozhukalov#topic Fuel public builds16:31
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* xarses cheers16:31
teranRecently we had updated the status of our task to publish nightly builds16:31
teran#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/130850216:31
teranCurrently it’s publicly available to download with torrents16:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1308502 in fuel "[devops] publish nightly builds for seeding" [High,Confirmed]16:31
teran#link https://fuel-jenkins.mirantis.com/view/ISO/job/publish_fuel_community_iso/16:31
teranPlease feel free to use :)16:31
xarses+10050016:31
teranThe only left item in that case is to set up smoke tests for them, and we'll done it soon16:32
angdraugthat's icehouse based builds?16:32
angdraugor juno/master?16:32
teranyeah, it's master16:32
angdraugwoot!16:32
teranicehouse16:32
angdraugboo :(16:32
nurlaicehouse16:32
vkozhukalovalso there are some ideas how to make it faster building iso16:32
vkozhukalovbriefly the idea is to move from file based build system to artifact build system16:33
angdraugwhat about juno packages?16:33
angdraug#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/build-packages-for-openstack-master-rpm16:34
angdraugcombined with above, would be really really awesome16:34
nurlathis feature will be available on osci-ci)16:34
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angdraugmy ultimate dream here is to use fuel ci for commits in openstack master branches16:34
xarsesvkozhukalov: as long as we can still build ISO's with out needing lots of tools that are hard to build on your own, like your on Jenkins server16:34
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dilyinhello16:35
dilyinabout tagging bugs.16:35
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angdraugdilyin: we agreed to have further discussion on ML16:35
xarsesWe moved on, we asked to stop doing it in titles, and will discuss further in ML16:35
vkozhukalovxarses: it is not supposed to make harder to build iso on one's own16:36
vkozhukalovlet's discuss it next time16:37
xarsesvkozhukalov: sounds good!16:37
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vkozhukalovi am going to recall my experience in this field from my previous job16:37
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vkozhukalovok, sounds like we have more than 20 minutes for open discussion16:38
aglarendilis anyone from mlnx here ?16:38
vkozhukalovit does not make much sense to discuss statuses of particular features16:38
aviramb_yes16:39
vkozhukalov#topic open discsussion16:39
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nuritvi'm from mellanox16:39
aglarendilaviramb_: you can discuss partiuclar questions with fuel-web guys if you want16:39
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vkozhukalovnuritv: aviramb_ please feel free to add topics in agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda if you have something to discuss16:40
aviramb_we still need some reviews for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104501/11 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106007/16:40
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angdraugdpyzhov: can anyone from fuel-web go through these?16:41
angdraugI'm plan to have a look later today but I'd prefer to have more than one pair of eyeballs on it16:41
vkozhukalovAndreyDanin: is going to review some of your patches16:41
aviramb_already fixed some comments of angdraug16:42
AndreyDaninaviramb_: I’ll review these PR today16:42
aviramb_centos packages checked and will be merge soon16:42
aviramb_then https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101126/ can be merged16:42
aviramb_about bootstrap16:42
dpyzhovangdraug: I’ve added meow-nofer to reviews in fuel-web16:42
aviramb_iSER rename+manifests(library) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104323/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104621/ waits to pass CI16:43
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aviramb_library commits already passed many review cycles16:43
dpyzhovnuritv aviramb_:  and we are looking forward for unit tests16:43
nuritvdpyzhov: will be ready early next week!16:44
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dpyzhovnuritv: great16:44
aviramb_we need some POC to work with on that, in order to make this efficient, talked about it with Evgeniya16:45
aviramb_(UT)16:45
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nuritvalso, we still have this bug that affects us (https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1341486).16:46
vkozhukalovdpyzhov: what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101126/ ?16:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1341486 in fuel "[provision] additional kernel_params not reflected in  ubunut /boot/grub/grub.cfg" [High,Confirmed]16:46
dpyzhovvkozhukalov: no16:47
dpyzhovWe will have separate bootstrap for now16:47
dpyzhovBecause we need to be really sure that extra modules do not affect anything16:48
vkozhukalovdpyzhov: what does it mean separate?16:48
nuritvdpyzhov: we only load it on mlnx HW  and we also did some test in our lab16:48
dpyzhovit will be another bootstrap image16:48
nuritvdo you need us to do anything else?16:48
eshumakherdpyzhov MLNX team changed the implementation16:49
dpyzhovnuritv: did you test it on other hardware?16:49
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aviramb_this is the way centos loads mlnx in case of mlnx hw16:49
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eshumakherthe MLNX kernel modules uploads only if MLNX HW is in place16:49
nuritvdpyzhov: we tested it on VM with no MLNX driver16:49
dpyzhovnuritv: nice16:49
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vkozhukalovdpyzhov: afaiu we gonna have saparate bootstrap for every extra kernel module? right?16:50
eshumakheri have a test report btw16:50
angdraugdpyzhov: confirmed, the way it's implemented now won't impact non mlnx hw configurations16:50
eshumakherwill share it with the QA team16:50
vkozhukalovdpyzhov: if so then it is a bit strange. isn't it?16:51
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dpyzhovvkozhukalov: plan was to use separate bootstrap as a temporary solution16:51
dpyzhovgood that we do not need it now16:51
dpyzhov+1 from me, and our osci team will merge it after update of our mirrors16:52
vkozhukalovdpyzhov: great16:52
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vkozhukalovok, looks like we've managed to discuss everything we had16:54
vkozhukalovclosing?16:54
vkozhukalovthanx everyone16:54
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vkozhukalov#endmeeting16:55
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SergeyLukjanovping sahara folks18:00
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sreshetnyakpong18:00
elmikoo/18:00
crobertsrhhello/18:01
toskyo/18:01
aignatovhi18:01
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crobertsrhMatt didn't think he'd be able to make it today18:01
SergeyLukjanov#startmeeting18:01
openstackSergeyLukjanov: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'18:01
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SergeyLukjanov#startmeeting sahara18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul 17 18:01:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'sahara'18:02
SergeyLukjanovI'd like to end todays meeting in 0.5 hour ;)18:02
SergeyLukjanov#topic News and updates18:02
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SergeyLukjanovfolks, please18:02
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elmikostill working on swift/auth stuff in perparation for the spec to be finished. i'm hoping to get more reviews on the spec to help make it better, hint hint...18:03
crobertsrhI've been adding bugs/blueprints for Juno dashboard post-merge work, current updates can be found at #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-juno-post-merge-changes18:03
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tmckayI should have a CR for spark EDP committed today18:04
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tmckayI'm on PTO tomorrow18:04
aignatovfinally started working on moving rest samples to docs18:04
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SergeyLukjanovtmckay, great!18:04
dmitrymeagain, just minor stuff from my side, reviews mostly18:04
SergeyLukjanovaignatov, cool, I hope it'll be done in j218:04
sreshetnyakI'm working on Hadoop 2.4, and I'm updated it to 2.4.1 version18:04
tmckayThe initial impl for Spark EDP can work with a Java action, but later I think we'll need a Spark job type and a new UI form that is a little more "spark friendly"18:05
SergeyLukjanovI remember only minor stuff done by me this week18:05
tmckayand of course I have to write a blueprint and a spec now that I'm finished :)18:05
crobertsrhtmckay:  If you can add some details for what the spark UI changes needed are likely to be somewhere (maybe on my pad, if there is no spec anywhere), that would be helpful :)18:06
aignatovSergeyLukjanov: will do, I’ve just realised that they are outdated enough18:06
crobertsrhI will convert it to a horizon blueprint18:06
sreshetnyakalso I'm working on CDH plugin18:06
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SergeyLukjanovokay, let's move on18:07
SergeyLukjanov#topic Juno-2 (July 24)18:07
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tmckaycrobertsrh, yeah, I just got there in the last day or 2 :)  Changes are minor vs Java action18:07
SergeyLukjanovso, we'll release j2 in July 22-24 time range when no critical stuff left18:07
SergeyLukjanovany q. on dev milestone?18:08
RobLevaswill my bug patch make it into that? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107434/18:08
SergeyLukjanovRobLevas, unfortunately my internet connection is very bad18:08
alazarevRobLevas: I think there are good chances18:08
SergeyLukjanovRobLevas, could you please post the title?18:08
RobLevasFixes failure to scale cluster adding new Hive or WebHCat service18:09
SergeyLukjanovRobLevas, good chance18:09
aignatovRobLevas: chances are very good. I’ve just merged it!18:09
aignatov;)18:09
RobLevasaignatov: THANKS! :)18:09
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aignatovpatch is trivial actually, just was needed 2 +218:10
SergeyLukjanovaignatov,  :)18:10
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SergeyLukjanov#topic sahara-dashboard to horizon merge status (croberts)18:10
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SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, how is it going?18:11
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crobertsrhMuch better than it was a week ago18:11
crobertsrhCurrently down to 4 patches to merge....some of which already have +218:11
SergeyLukjanovcrobertsrh, so, what do you think about waiting for several more weeks before starting panic?18:11
crobertsrhNo activity in the past 24 hours though, which makes me sad18:11
crobertsrhI don't think we need to panic about the merge :)18:12
crobertsrhBut we can panic about what comes after the merge18:12
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* crobertsrh is planning a talk for Summit in Paris. "How not to get your dashboard merged"18:13
elmikoouch...18:13
dmitrymecrobertsrh: lol :-)18:13
aignatovindeed, lol18:13
SergeyLukjanovheh, so, no more big topics for today I think18:14
SergeyLukjanov#topic Open discussion18:14
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elmikoneed more eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104647/18:14
aignatovI’d ask someone try  to reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/128153418:15
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1281534 in sahara "[Heat] Cinder volumes are not removed when using Heat" [High,Confirmed]18:15
tmckayelmiko, reading it now, looks good18:15
aignatovI’ve tried it today and seems to be unreproducible, but…18:15
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elmikotmckay: there are 2 outstanding issues being discussed in comments that i'd like to get more input on.18:17
tmckayelmiko, ack18:17
toskySergeyLukjanov: if I can ask about the status of the issue with the udev file in the CentOS image18:17
aignatovelmiko: I’ll have a look, just added self to the review18:18
elmikoaignatov: thanks18:18
SergeyLukjanovtosky, unfortunately I don't know the current status18:19
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toskySergeyLukjanov: apart from cloud-init, does that CentOS image have some special configuration?18:20
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SergeyLukjanovtosky, I think now, we have the process of building CentOS image with cloud-init documented in sahara docs18:20
toskyif not, in the long run maybe (just a suggestion) it would make sense to use a generic cloud-enabled image provided by the CentOS community18:21
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alazarevtosky: what plugin do you talk about? vanilla?18:23
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SergeyLukjanovalazarev, it's applicable to all CentOS images18:24
toskyalazarev: so, the udev configuration file which prevents the network from being configured affects vanilla jobs, because the hadoop-hdp element in sahara-image-elements used for hdp2 removes it18:24
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toskybut again, hadoop-hdp shouldn't remove it, it shouldn't be there in the first place :)18:24
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SergeyLukjanovtosky, I'll talk with our depl. folks tomorrow about it18:26
alazarevtosky: as I understand we use centos base image from diskimagebuilder, do you propose taking other image?18:26
toskyalazarev: the image used by sahara-image-elements is hosted on http://sahara-files.mirantis.com18:28
alazarevtosky: oh, I see, make sense in such case18:29
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toskyalazarev: in order to avoid the maintainance burden, I was suggesting to use a (official?) cloud-ready image from the community18:29
toskyalazarev: I know that RDO project has one, CentOS publishes some on various cloud providers, I didn't investigate too much yet18:30
SergeyLukjanovtosky, it wasn't available when we've started using dib18:30
toskysure, sure :)18:30
toskyI understand that, in the future maybe it could change (less maintainance work and duplicated work, also for you!)18:31
aignatovalso, as I remember dib uses links to some cloud-images (are they not cloud-ready?) and we can’t control it, or I may be wrong18:32
SergeyLukjanovtosky, yeah, using some official build is much better18:32
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SergeyLukjanovanything else to discuss today?18:33
alazarevaignatov: this is what happening e.g. for ubuntu, only for centos we use custom18:33
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aignatovalazarev: yep, I’ve found it as tosky said before18:34
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SergeyLukjanovokay, thank you folks18:36
alazarevpeople a welcome to review specs18:36
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SergeyLukjanov#endmeeting18:36
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: containers)"18:36
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