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| imendel | hello | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | heyo | 14:02 |
| heyongli | hi | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | russellb, ^^ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | tic tac | 14:03 |
| ulikleber | hi | 14:03 |
| sgordon | meeting? | 14:03 |
| russellb | #startmeeting nfv | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 14:04:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 14:04 |
| russellb | #chair nfv | 14:04 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: nfv | 14:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: nfv russellb | 14:04 |
| russellb | d'oh | 14:04 |
| russellb | #undo | 14:04 |
| adrian-hoban | Hello | 14:04 |
| russellb | #chair sgordon | 14:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: nfv russellb sgordon | 14:04 |
| russellb | agenda on this etherpad: | 14:04 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:04 |
| russellb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:04 |
| russellb | feel free to add | 14:05 |
| russellb | #topic review actions from last week | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review actions from last week (Meeting topic: nfv)" | 14:05 | |
| russellb | I don't think we had any :) | 14:05 |
| russellb | oh, we did ... | 14:05 |
| russellb | i was supposed to update the script running on nfv.russellbryant.net | 14:05 |
| russellb | i did not. | 14:05 |
| russellb | :( | 14:05 |
| russellb | #action russellb to update bauzas' script on nfv.russellbryant.net | 14:05 |
| bauzas | russellb: no worries, I'm just improving my script :) | 14:05 |
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| russellb | cloudon was going to add the latest use case to the wiki | 14:06 |
| bauzas | russellb: poke me when you want to do so | 14:06 |
| russellb | did that get done? | 14:06 |
| sgordon | i didn't see any updates from the wiki notification systemb | 14:06 |
| russellb | i didn't either | 14:06 |
| russellb | #action cloudon to add newest use case to the wiki | 14:06 |
| russellb | will put it back on the list | 14:06 |
| russellb | #topic blueprints | 14:06 |
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| russellb | nova blueprint deadlines have now passede | 14:06 |
| atylee | cloudon sends apologies - he didn't get to do update and is on vacation this week. Will be done by next meeting. | 14:06 |
| russellb | atylee: ok, cool. thanks! | 14:07 |
| russellb | neutron spec approval deadline is july 20 | 14:07 |
| russellb | the etherpad has a list of specs outstanding for neutron | 14:07 |
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| russellb | almost all of them need iteration to have any chance | 14:07 |
| sgordon | right | 14:08 |
| russellb | if you're the owner, please check in on it and iterate | 14:08 |
| russellb | if you're not the owner, but have interest in one of them, please help chase down the owner | 14:08 |
| russellb | see if they can update, or would like help updating, whatever the case may be | 14:08 |
| russellb | i feel like we did a nice job getting a lot of nova specs approved | 14:09 |
| adrian-hoban | Does that mean that we use the exception process for bp's that have not yet been approved? | 14:09 |
| russellb | but not so much on the neutron side | 14:09 |
| russellb | adrian-hoban: maybe ... but an exception won't help if they're in this state | 14:09 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, can certainly try but i am not sure that helps here | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, exception is usually only granted where they were close | 14:09 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, -1s and -2s unaddressed in these atm | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, any specific ones of interest from your side that missed the cut off for nova? | 14:10 |
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| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Yep | 14:11 |
| adrian-hoban | On the agenda | 14:11 |
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| pczesno | Support userspace vhost in ovs vif bindings https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95805/ | 14:11 |
| pczesno | we got -1s and we are working to find a solution on neutron sied | 14:11 |
| russellb | looks like that one had unresolved -1s for a couple weeks before the deadline :-/ | 14:12 |
| pczesno | to be discussed today at ml2 subteam meeting | 14:12 |
| bauzas | russellb: hold on | 14:12 |
| * russellb holds | 14:12 | |
| bauzas | russellb: as the nova specs with -2 were abandoned, we're not seeing them in the dashboard | 14:12 |
| * sgordon assigns bug to bauzas | 14:12 | |
| sgordon | ;p | 14:12 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, ok | 14:13 |
| russellb | i think it was a bad idea to abandon, personally | 14:13 |
| * bauzas is pleased to work on that bug | 14:13 | |
| russellb | i don't see the point of that | 14:13 |
| bauzas | russellb: agreed | 14:13 |
| russellb | i need to talk to people about that | 14:13 |
| russellb | someone added a glance spec to the agenda too | 14:14 |
| russellb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104904/ | 14:14 |
| russellb | ah, Adri2000 | 14:14 |
| sgordon | i think that might be adrian-hoban as well | 14:14 |
| adrian-hoban | russellb: That was me. | 14:14 |
| russellb | err, adrian-hoban | 14:14 |
| sgordon | does glance have similar cut off dates? | 14:14 |
| sgordon | not as familiar | 14:14 |
| adrian-hoban | I don't know. Less familiar too | 14:14 |
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| russellb | i don't think so | 14:14 |
| russellb | glance is a much less active project | 14:14 |
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| russellb | so doesn't need strict deadlines/process as much | 14:15 |
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| russellb | may need to ping markwash (glance PTL) on that one | 14:15 |
| russellb | make sure he has seen it | 14:15 |
| adrian-hoban | The idea behind this blueprint is to offer a method to auto import some feature requests that NFV apps may need | 14:15 |
| russellb | yeah that's an interesting idea | 14:16 |
| adrian-hoban | russellb: Thanks, I'll reach out to markwash | 14:16 |
| sgordon | +1 | 14:16 |
| russellb | i like the idea at least :) | 14:16 |
| russellb | hadn't considered this issue | 14:16 |
| adrian-hoban | There's an additional, related bp that will target the image properties filter in Nova to leverage the additional meta-data. | 14:17 |
| sgordon | it is an important piece | 14:17 |
| sgordon | we concentrate a lot on the infra level but once that is in place you need to be able to share the applications | 14:18 |
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| russellb | yeah | 14:18 |
| russellb | adrian-hoban: if you reach out to markwash, feel free to invite him here if he'd like to discuss the use cases some more | 14:18 |
| adrian-hoban | I guess this Nova filter extension will not make Juno now either based on the spec cut off. | 14:18 |
| adrian-hoban | russellb: Sure thing. | 14:19 |
| russellb | yeah, nova has already approved more than i think we can review | 14:19 |
| russellb | we'll have a hard time getting more in i think | 14:19 |
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| * bauzas has to check if glance reviews are not filtered in the dashboard... | 14:20 | |
| russellb | bauzas: might not be on the wiki page yet, too | 14:21 |
| bauzas | russellb: I still have to check this possible flaw :) | 14:21 |
| russellb | k | 14:21 |
| russellb | anything else on blueprintsw? | 14:21 |
| russellb | #topic openstack summit | 14:22 |
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| russellb | general session submissions are open now | 14:22 |
| russellb | sgordon put the info of one of the tracks on there that is very relevant to this group | 14:22 |
| sgordon | i think the OVF one was on the wiki | 14:22 |
| russellb | "Telco Strategies" | 14:22 |
| sgordon | yes the foundation have been promoting it pretty hard on twitter | 14:22 |
| sgordon | so i thought i would highlight it to this group | 14:22 |
| russellb | "Telecommunications companies are one of the largest areas of growth for OpenStack around the world. In this track, we'll feature content relevant to these users, addressing the evolution of the network and emerging NFV architecture, the global IaaS market and role of telcos, industry regulation and data sovereignty, and industry cooperation around interoperability and federation. " | 14:22 |
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| russellb | awesome :) | 14:23 |
| sgordon | submissions for general summit sessions close on the 28th | 14:23 |
| sgordon | so i assume we will all be submitting on the 28th ;) | 14:23 |
| russellb | sounds about right | 14:23 |
| adrian-hoban | July? | 14:23 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, yeah | 14:23 |
| sgordon | time flies when you are having fun... | 14:23 |
| russellb | i think a talk on the nova specific improvements would be cool too | 14:23 |
| russellb | i'm a chair on the compute track ;) | 14:23 |
| adrian-hoban | :-) | 14:23 |
| russellb | and once the design summit opens, we'll coordinate around that | 14:24 |
| russellb | but that won't be until much closer to summit | 14:24 |
| bauzas | right | 14:24 |
| russellb | we don't open that earlier, as we want devs focused on finishing up Juno :) | 14:24 |
| russellb | before thinking about Kilo | 14:25 |
| bauzas | nah, Kourou :p | 14:25 |
| russellb | speaking of Kilo, the vote for the K release name ends in a matter of hours | 14:25 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2014-July/008342.html | 14:25 |
| russellb | (vote for Kilo!) | 14:25 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 14:26 |
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| russellb | any other topics for today? | 14:26 |
| sgordon | well we kind of alluded to it earlier talking about the dash dropping -2s | 14:26 |
| sgordon | i think it would be good to track everything down closer to j-3 | 14:26 |
| sgordon | and have a consolidated list of what did or didn't make it (or i can just update the status in the wiki i guess) | 14:27 |
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| sgordon | try and have a clearer picture of what we achieved | 14:27 |
| bauzas | sgordon: right, I can add a section with Abandoned patches | 14:27 |
| russellb | bauzas: i suppose you could have another section for state:abandoned | 14:27 |
| russellb | for now | 14:27 |
| russellb | bauzas: jinx | 14:27 |
| sgordon | and more importantly what we didnt | 14:27 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:27 |
| bauzas | russellb: put me an action please | 14:27 |
| russellb | #action bauzas to add a section to our dashboard for abandoned specs | 14:28 |
| bauzas | on an different topic, I would like to briefly talk about the scheduler split | 14:28 |
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| sean-k-mooney | can i ask why they were abandoned? shouldnt that have been done by the summiter not the review? | 14:29 |
| russellb | sean-k-mooney: after deadline passed | 14:29 |
| russellb | i don't think they should have been abandoned, i think we have a thread on openstack-dev going about it | 14:29 |
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| sgordon | i have only seen the one about the fact it doesn't auto abandon after two weeks anymore | 14:30 |
| bauzas | sgordon: it has been done today | 14:30 |
| bauzas | sgordon: I mean by reviewer's hand (or script) | 14:30 |
| sgordon | right | 14:30 |
| russellb | sgordon: Tim Bell, "how to continue spec discussion" | 14:30 |
| sgordon | which is a separate issue | 14:30 |
| sgordon | ah right | 14:30 |
| bauzas | yeah, that's a global question | 14:31 |
| bauzas | not exactly saying why the patches have been abandoned | 14:31 |
| bauzas | I guess it's for reviewers dashboard clarity | 14:32 |
| russellb | meh | 14:32 |
| russellb | you can filter those out easily | 14:32 |
| bauzas | russellb: I'm not saying it's the good thing, I'm just saying that's probably the reason :p | 14:32 |
| russellb | heh, right. | 14:33 |
| russellb | anyway, i think we've covered everything for today | 14:33 |
| bauzas | nah | 14:33 |
| russellb | if anyone would like to chat, #openstack-nfv is always open | 14:33 |
| bauzas | just one sec, about the sched split | 14:33 |
| russellb | oh sure | 14:33 |
| sean-k-mooney | russellb: thanks i understand that they were -2 for passing the deadline. i think abandoning them should have been left to the origninal submitter /drafter. thanks for clarifiying | 14:33 |
| bauzas | so, the rationale for the scheduler split is currently being debated | 14:33 |
| russellb | sean-k-mooney: agreed fwiw | 14:33 |
| sgordon | sean-k-mooney, i think we are mostly in agreement on that point | 14:33 |
| bauzas | some discussion raised about why we should do that, and the possible usecases | 14:34 |
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| bauzas | as it was mentioned here that the split would help (and if I remember, there is one NFV spec asking for the split), it would be cool if people could provide usecases related to NFV here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SchedulerUseCases | 14:35 |
| bauzas | the more people voice their ideas, the more we get attention here | 14:35 |
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| bauzas | that's it for me :) | 14:36 |
| russellb | ok cool, thanks for that info, hope we can get that sorted soon enough ... | 14:36 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 14:36 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 14:36:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-16-14.04.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-16-14.04.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-07-16-14.04.log.html | 14:36 |
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| imendel | tnx | 14:37 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2'ers | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:01 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:01 |
| pczesno | hi | 16:01 |
| trinaths | Hi | 16:01 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 16:01:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Agenda | 16:02 |
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| banix | Hi | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #info: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_July_16.2C_2014 | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | Spec Approval deadline for Juno is 7/20 | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | I hope everybody knows about it | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | So, if you have any comments to address, please move on it and let us know if you need our help in getting it pushed | 16:04 |
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| trinaths | Sukhdev: is the deadline for J-2 or for J relase | 16:04 |
| shivharis | can we ping cores to do the reviews for specs? | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | trinaths: for Juno | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: please do | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: Do we know which spec are definitetly deferred to K, and which still need review to make J? | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I did not have a chance to filter those | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: I guess we can cover that under spec reviews | 16:05 |
| trinaths | Sukhdev: how to we know specs are deffered to K release. | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | trinaths: I think mestery has -2’ed some that he doesn’t think will make J | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | trinaths: If one is not approved by 7/20 - it will be moved to K release | 16:06 |
| shivharis | 7/20 is this Sunday | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | sorry for bringing this up now, lets cover the spec reviews when we get to them on the agenda | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Oh well | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Next announcement - | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | Third Party CI systems must be operational by 7/24 | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | We are all impacted by this | 16:07 |
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| banix | i think for those not approved the owner should move under k when that opens up | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | Please be aware of this | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | In case you did not know you can influence the name of K-release | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | Vote here - https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/openstack-k-naming | 16:09 |
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| banix | the point is the move of a spec to K won’t happen automatically but i am sure we will hear about it … sorry for late messages here. moving on. | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | #info rkukura, kmestry, banix and I were in MN for mid-cyle sprint | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | Lots of good stuff took place | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | check out this wiki - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/MigrationFromNovaNetwork/HowTo | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | If you want to test VM migration | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | banix is expert in this - | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody has any other announcement? | 16:11 |
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| banix | i feel i migrated my life ;) | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | banix: you migrated mine as well :-) | 16:12 |
| banix | Sukhdev: hahaha | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | OK moving on | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:12 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to ": Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:12 | |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: floor is yours | 16:12 |
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| shivharis | I need status from the bugs listed in the agenda | 16:13 |
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| shivharis | we can go one at a time.. | 16:13 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1331857 | 16:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1331857 in neutron "ML2 Nexus MD does not appear to configure multiple switches" [High,Confirmed] | 16:13 |
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| shivharis | nlahiuti: ? | 16:14 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Looks like Cisco internal issue | 16:14 |
| nlahouti | yes | 16:14 |
| shivharis | this shows up as high... is that correct? | 16:15 |
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| nlahouti | shivharis: I though it was low | 16:15 |
| rcurran | it should be junked | 16:15 |
| shivharis | rcurran: can you please | 16:15 |
| nlahouti | rcurran: I was going to talk to you about it | 16:15 |
| shivharis | next | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran nlahouti: can one of you do the honors please | 16:16 |
| nlahouti | rcurran: so it is not valid bug? | 16:16 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1246737 | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1246737 in neutron "ML2 plugin deletes port even if associated with multiple subnets on subnet deletion" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:16 |
| shivharis | padkrish: ? | 16:16 |
| rcurran | i commited that fix in I ... but i think it didn't get in until j-1 | 16:16 |
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| rcurran | i'll update bug | 16:17 |
| shivharis | rcurran: thanks | 16:17 |
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| nlahouti | rcurran: thx | 16:17 |
| padkrish | shivhari# It got committed around Apr, i guess... | 16:17 |
| shivharis | padkrish: it is about back port | 16:17 |
| padkrish | #shivhari# So, should it be back-ported to havana? that's what it said | 16:17 |
| shivharis | how far do we want to go? havana is way old | 16:18 |
| shivharis | can we update the bug and way that we will not fix and reopen if someone eeally needs it | 16:19 |
| shivharis | way->say | 16:19 |
| yamamoto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=ml2 might be better than https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron?field.searchtext=ml2 | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: what do you think? | 16:19 |
| padkrish | shivhari# ok | 16:19 |
| rkukura | Is the fix in both trunk and icehouse already? | 16:19 |
| shivharis | I have two other bugs listed as review needed, can someone we review internally in ML2 | 16:20 |
| shivharis | banix, sukhdev: ? | 16:20 |
| banix | shivharis: will do after the meeting | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: ditto | 16:21 |
| shivharis | ok thanks. thats all i have for today. | 16:21 |
| irenab | there is another bug for ml2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1338202 | 16:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1338202 in neutron "ML2 plugin update_port changes binding:profile when not changed" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:21 |
| shivharis | irene: j2 or j3? | 16:21 |
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| banix | Also want to point out the DVR work makese many changes to ML2 code. Please keep reviewing them. | 16:22 |
| irenab | please add it to the list, I am planning to submit fix in coming days | 16:22 |
| rkukura | I had discussed this with irena, and it sounds like a real issue | 16:22 |
| shivharis | irenab: will track that | 16:22 |
| irenab | shivharis: thanks | 16:22 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on the bugs? | 16:23 |
| rkukura | irenab: should we target J2 or J3? | 16:23 |
| shivharis | irenab: sorry typo in name before | 16:23 |
| irenab | shivharis: not a problem | 16:23 |
| irenab | I will try till j2 | 16:23 |
| rkukura | banix: I will be reviewing the DVR changes to ML2 this week - other should as well | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I will as well | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | OK moving on | 16:24 |
| shivharis | same | 16:24 |
| banix | rkukura: thanks; Sukhdev: thanks. reasonably significant changes. mostly additions but some changes | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Spec Review | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | Like I mentioned at the top of the meeting deadline for Juno is 7/20 | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | Please ensure that as an owner of a spec - address the comments as soon as possible and wait until the last moment | 16:25 |
| rkukura | we really need to focus on the specs of general interest that have a chance of making Juno, but also need to get vendor-specific specs approved | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: I gave a -1 on your spec this morning - please be sure to check it | 16:26 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: will take a look... | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review has priorities on them | 16:27 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: I’ll update that with the hierarchical port binding spec, which is now in review | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | Lets make sure the high priority ones get attention right away | 16:28 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: thanks | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | Anything on the Specs? | 16:29 |
| rkukura | I’m also working with nlahouti to update the extension spec to add a minimal ExtensionDriver API | 16:29 |
| irenab | Can we discuss code review requests now? | 16:29 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: yes. | 16:29 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: hopefully we can make the deadline | 16:29 |
| rkukura | nlahouti: I can work with you this afternoon on the update | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | irenab: I forgot to put on the agenda - do you have something specific in mind? | 16:30 |
| rcurran | rkukura, what's the status on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106185/1 | 16:30 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: thx I'll ping you. What time is good ? | 16:30 |
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| rkukura | rcurran: It needs review, I’ll add it to the wiki | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: please do - I am reviewing specs from the wiki only :-) | 16:31 |
| rkukura | nlahouti: 3-5 EDT | 16:31 |
| Sukhdev | irenab: ? | 16:31 |
| nlahouti | rkukura: will do that. | 16:31 |
| shivharis | irenab: any specific code review you have in mind? | 16:31 |
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| shivharis | irenab: please add to the wiki | 16:32 |
| irenab | the following patch for approved spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/74464/ | 16:32 |
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| irenab | shivharis: thanks, will add to the wiki | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | irenab: please be sure to add to wiki | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | OK - moving on | 16:33 |
| irenab | Sukhdev: thanks, will do | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Sync | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks I added this topic on the agenda as I wanted to spend couple of minutes on this topic | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/17fATwZkJEonH0pIb1-mPD0UB5RKnJzcHYqkBesJhirE/edit | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | We decided to defer it to K - release | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | But, we should allocate some time to discuss this - as this will help, in general, all ML2 drivers in terms of dealing with the error states | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | The proposal on the document is just a draft | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | to kick off the thought process | 16:35 |
| shivharis | this ends up deferring more dependent stuff to K :-( | 16:36 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: it is a bigger task, hence, we decided to defer it | 16:36 |
| shivharis | k | 16:36 |
| shivharis | i mean ok | 16:36 |
| banix | i ewill add the modular l2 agent spec to the wiki as well; again sorry for being late! | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | There are several ways to go about implementing it | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | We would need volunteers to work on ML2 Sync | 16:37 |
| shivharis | modular l2 already has an implementation? | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: not really | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | banix, shivharis: you reviewed the doc - want to add anything? | 16:38 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Goal should be to have a solid ML2 sync proposal for the K summit, right? | 16:38 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: that would be great | 16:39 |
| banix | Sukhdev: nothing beyond what you said | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, please review the document and add your comments to it | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | Moving on | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | #topic Provide node specific information to ML2 plugin | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | Who added this to the agenda? | 16:40 |
| pczesno | Hi | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | pczesno: floor is yours | 16:41 |
| pczesno | adding to the agenda was suggested by kmestry | 16:41 |
| Sukhdev | pczesno: please explain it to the team | 16:41 |
| pczesno | we want to support dpdk enabled ovs with mech_openvswitch and mech_odl | 16:41 |
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| pczesno | dpdk enabled ovs requires different vif bindig as normal ovs | 16:42 |
| pczesno | during binding we would need to pass some additional info to nova | 16:42 |
| pczesno | that dpdk enabled ovs is running on the node | 16:42 |
| rkukura | pczesno: I recall seeing the binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details attributes mentioned in the email thread. Is setting these when your MD binds sufficient, or is some additional mechanism needed in ML2 and/or nova? | 16:43 |
| pczesno | question is if there is a mechanism in place to do that or if not what approach would be the best | 16:43 |
| banix | pczesno: does the nova understand the new info? | 16:43 |
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| pczesno | rkukura: puting info in vif_details would be good | 16:44 |
| irenab | pszesno: you can get the is_dpdk_ovs info from L2 agent, and ther send it to nova in vif_details | 16:44 |
| pczesno | yes we could get that info from l2 agent | 16:45 |
| pczesno | but we want it to work with odl as well | 16:45 |
| rkukura | pczesno: I believe you can do that now, and it will be available to nova’s generic VIF driver | 16:45 |
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| pczesno | rkukura: can you elaboratye | 16:46 |
| pczesno | so we would like l2 plugin to gather host specific info | 16:46 |
| rkukura | pczesno: The path from MD to VIF driver should be covered already. With no agent, I think the MD would need to get node-specidic info from config or from some DB. | 16:46 |
| pczesno | l2 agent or odl could provide info | 16:46 |
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| sean-k-mooney | rkukura: are you refering to the vhostuser vif that will be added? if so this is not compatable | 16:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | sorry pressed enter too early | 16:47 |
| rkukura | pczesno: your MD’s bind_port() ask ODL? | 16:48 |
| pczesno | rkukura: is that a sugestion or question? :) | 16:48 |
| pczesno | rkukura: yes it could be done that way | 16:48 |
| rkukura | sean-k-mooney: I wasn’t referring to a specific VIF driver, just pointing out that the vif_type and vif_details set by the MD that binds the port should be available to nova’s VIF driver | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | pczesno: Is having bind_port() ask ODL a workable solution? | 16:49 |
| pczesno | rkukura: i think it could be | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | BTW, the “bind ports outside transactions” patch merged yesterday, so making remote calls within bind_port() is now allowed. | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes I saw that | 16:50 |
| pczesno | rkukura: but it would be better if rpc was started on odl side | 16:50 |
| rkukura | pczesno: Do you mean an RPC from ODL to neutron? | 16:50 |
| pczesno | rkukura: yes | 16:51 |
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| rkukura | Do you mean specifically the AMQP-based RPC, or just a REST invocation on a neutron API? | 16:51 |
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| pczesno | rkukura: ampq based rpc, i think this already happens for port state updates | 16:52 |
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| rkukura | pczesno: I wasn’t aware of RPC interfaces being exposed outside neutron itself. Even nova uses REST APIs to talk to neutron. Are you sure? | 16:52 |
| pczesno | rkukura: not sure | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | Time check - 5 min. | 16:53 |
| pczesno | rkukura: ok, will try come up with spec | 16:53 |
| rkukura | Should we move this discussion back to the email thread? | 16:53 |
| pczesno | rkukura: yes | 16:53 |
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| rkukura | pczesno: Feel free to ping me on IRC if you want to brainstorm on this | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | pczesno: I think writing up a spec will be a good idea | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | OK - folks, time to move on | 16:54 |
| pczesno | rkukura: could this be considered for J? | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | Any body wants to discuss anything? | 16:54 |
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| yamamoto | nothing from me | 16:55 |
| rkukura | pczesno: If you’ve got an approved BP for an MD that can use the existing ML2 capabilities, I don’t see any reason it can’t make J. | 16:55 |
| padkrish | #sukhdev# is the deadline for code review for approved specs July 24? | 16:55 |
| padkrish | or is it for submitting the code for review? | 16:55 |
| shivharis | all: Please focus on spec reviews, Sunday deadline | 16:55 |
| banix | july 24 is J-2 deadline | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | padkrish: no - for that you have plenty of time - I believe 8/20 | 16:56 |
| pczesno | rkukura: thanks for your time | 16:56 |
| banix | that would be for J-3 | 16:56 |
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| banix | have the code in by early august to be safe | 16:56 |
| padkrish | #sukhdev# 8/20 is J-3? | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | padkrish: correct | 16:56 |
| nlahouti | even for the J-2 approved BP? | 16:56 |
| banix | J-3 is that last deadline for new code (unless a bug fix) | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | here is the release schedule - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 16:57 |
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| nlahouti | banix: so it means for any approved BP code must be committed by 8/20? | 16:57 |
| banix | nlahouti: earlier | 16:58 |
| mxu | Hi, earlier <irenab> asked can we discuss code review requests now? Can we review this now? | 16:58 |
| banix | J-3 is Aug 4th | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | nlahouti: by 8/20 the code should be submitted - you can still continue to work on it | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | nlahouti: drop dead date is 9/4 | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | mxu: shoot | 16:59 |
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| banix | New code won’t get in after J-3; be aware. plan accordingly. | 16:59 |
| banix | unless as an exception | 16:59 |
| mxu | what is the code request process? | 16:59 |
| banix | So generally after J-3 is for bug fixes not new code | 16:59 |
| padkrish | Thanks sukhdev, banix | 17:00 |
| mxu | sorry, mistyped, what is the code review process to get approval for commit? | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | mxu: please submit the patch for review, add it to the wiki and we will review it | 17:00 |
| banix | nlahouti: i think 8/20 is an internal deadline for marking specs as approved or not | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | Out of time guys | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: containers)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 17:00:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-16-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Thanks :) | 17:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-16-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-07-16-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| pczesno | bye | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 17:00:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | Hey All - Who's here? | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | Agenda @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 17:01 |
| jaycaz | o/ | 17:01 |
| vinod1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
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| eankutse | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
| rjrjr_ | here | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | No actions, nice and easy :) | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #topic Subdomain/Parent Domain verification logic | 17:01 |
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| jaycaz | that would be me | 17:02 |
| Kiall | jaycaz: over to you | 17:02 |
| jaycaz | All right then | 17:02 |
| betsy | sorry here | 17:02 |
| jaycaz | vinod and I have been talking about subdomains, since I'm adding verification to make sure a tenant doesn't add a domain if another tenant owns a subdomain of the domain | 17:03 |
| CaptTofu_ | aye mates | 17:03 |
| jaycaz | is it even possible to create a subdomain before a domain is created? | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | jaycaz: yes, you can create a sub domain before a domain | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Yea - That has been a longstanding bug, the other way is handled, but not someone creating a domain "above" yours. | 17:04 |
| jaycaz | all right, so how can we update the subdomains' parent IDs to make sure the user is aware the parent ID has changed? | 17:04 |
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| vinod1 | is it possible to have only sub.example.com without having example.com for dns name resolution? | 17:05 |
| jaycaz | vinod was thinking about adding an update_subdomain flag that would need to be set to True, otherwise creating a domain with existing subdomains would fail | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | jaycaz: The simple, as little code as necessary way, would be to query for all zones matching %.new-domain.com., and just update them, it will all happen inside of a TX, so should stay consistent. | 17:05 |
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| jaycaz | okay, that makes sense | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | re update_subdomain flag, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning? The only thing we update is the hidden "parent domain" field? | 17:06 |
| jaycaz | we were just concerned that 1. this would be in the create_domains function and would be called every time a domain was created (meaning possible performance issues for tenants with many domains) | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | jaycaz: it would mean preformance issues for all tenants | 17:07 |
| jaycaz | and 2. should a create function update other objects besides the object being created? | 17:07 |
| mugsie | you would have to search all tenants for the sub domains | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | jaycaz: re 2 - I think yes, since we're tracking the relationships | 17:07 |
| mugsie | re 2 - yes - if needs be to create an object | 17:07 |
| jaycaz | okay, so the user never sees this parameter then? | 17:07 |
| jaycaz | and, as long as no other tenant owns a subdomain, an all_tenants search isn't required. good point | 17:08 |
| Kiall | jaycaz: yea - it's not exposed to the user, so they wouldn't "notice" change to the other domain | 17:08 |
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| jaycaz | all right, well that helps a lot! | 17:08 |
| Kiall | :) | 17:09 |
| jaycaz | as for the second part... | 17:09 |
| jaycaz | how to search for subdomains across all tenants for the verification step? | 17:09 |
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| jaycaz | should we just do it the way it was done in autohost? | 17:09 |
| Kiall | autohost? | 17:09 |
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| jaycaz | classic DNS | 17:09 |
| jaycaz | sorry | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Sounds like that might be something only the RAX folks know about ;) | 17:10 |
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| jaycaz | sigh, intern problems | 17:10 |
| jaycaz | sorry about that | 17:10 |
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| mugsie | :D | 17:11 |
| Kiall | So - The current is_subdomain method, we'll need something similar for is_superdomain - https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/central/service.py#L241 | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | I have a prototype for that atm | 17:11 |
| Kiall | It's pretty inefficient, but is_superdomain should be easier | 17:11 |
| Kiall | and it shows how to do the all tenants search | 17:11 |
| jaycaz | the problem is to search across all tenants for a subdomain without doing something like *.domain.com. | 17:12 |
| Kiall | I'm not sure we really have any other choice? | 17:12 |
| mugsie | i don;t think so | 17:12 |
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| jaycaz | something someone suggested... | 17:13 |
| eankutse | how about reversing labels and comparing that way? | 17:13 |
| Kiall | e.g. Cust A could have bla.bla.bla.bla.bla.domain.com, and we need to find that when someone tries to create "domain.com" | 17:13 |
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| jaycaz | i.e. ".moc.niamod.*" | 17:13 |
| jaycaz | that way it can be indexed much easier | 17:13 |
| Kiall | is ".moc.niamod.%" really more efficient than "%.domain.com."? | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | I would have thought both would have been about as awful as each other :) | 17:14 |
| jaycaz | if it's indexed, shouldn't it be? | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | Yea - Possibly.. | 17:16 |
| mugsie | jaycaz: I actually agree that it may be faster to reverseit | 17:16 |
| mugsie | but not sure of the implications | 17:16 |
| mugsie | (ie would we have a method in storage to reverse the string ;) ) | 17:16 |
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| jaycaz | maybe add a column to storage? | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | hum.. | 17:17 |
| betsy | on the domains table? | 17:17 |
| mugsie | that is 2 indexes of the same info | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | which i would not be ok with | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Yea, we would have to, but, the Q for me is, do we let that implementation detail leak out of storage or not? | 17:17 |
| Kiall | ^ too | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | It should be relatively easy to test, create a dummy table, script INSERT for 5 or 10 million entries, and give the queries a whirl.. If there is a significant difference, it should be noticeable with that # of rows | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | If it's not noticeable, then, we may just be making work for ourselves? | 17:18 |
| jaycaz | Kiall: I just created a script to add random domains/subdomains, so I could test that out and let you know | 17:18 |
| mugsie | yeah - just ensure it is random data, not sequential ;) | 17:18 |
| Kiall | jaycaz: great minds and all that ;) | 17:18 |
| jaycaz | Kiall: haha, of course :P | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | jaycaz: Okay, Why don't we see what sort of #'s we see when comparing the two, and go from there? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | sounds good | 17:19 |
| jaycaz | Kiall: sounds like a plan! | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Also.. CaptTofu_ ... you're a DB guy.. Advice? | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Would a LIKE 'string%' be significantly faster than LIKE '%string' with a large # of rows? | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | (Not sure he's still here TBH) | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | Okay.. Guess not, moving on. | 17:21 |
| Kiall | #topic Submission of talks for Paris Openstack summit | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: over to you | 17:21 |
| vinod1 | i wanted to check if anybody had ideas on submission of talks for the next summit | 17:21 |
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| vinod1 | The deadline to submit speaking sessions for the Paris Summit 2014 is Monday July 28, 2014. | 17:22 |
| vinod1 | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-paris-summit-2014/call-for-speakers/ | 17:22 |
| Kiall | I've not given talks much thought this time around, another than sballe has asked me to co-present a non-designate talk... | 17:23 |
| mugsie | I was thinking about one for pools - as we should have something to show by then | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Is anyone already planning on submitting a Designate talk BTW? | 17:23 |
| sballe | Kiall, hi :-) | 17:23 |
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| vinod1 | i haven't given much thought to it myself | 17:24 |
| mugsie | and maybe a workshop to write a backend driver - showing the mDNS etc | 17:24 |
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| betsy | mugsie: I like that workshop idea | 17:25 |
| mugsie | yeah - i figure it could be an interesting one | 17:25 |
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| mugsie | i figured I would write it in advance, but walk throught the code "step by step" as i "write" it | 17:25 |
| timsim | Should we not do similar talks from last summit, the ones for people who haven't checked out the project yet? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | yeah - think tht is definitly worth it | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | especally as we have been incubated in the meantime | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | so far me, Kiall, rjrjr_ , and CaptTofu_ have given that talk | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Okay - Do we have some volunteers for an intro talk? | 17:27 |
| vinod1 | i can take that | 17:27 |
| Kiall | sounds good :) | 17:27 |
| CaptTofu_ | Kiall loves giving talks | 17:28 |
| Kiall | CaptTofu_: yea, that's, umm. Not true. | 17:28 |
| vinod1 | and demos ;-) | 17:28 |
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| Kiall | demos I'm fine with.. even when they crash and burn.. ;) | 17:29 |
| Kiall | brb - spilled water everywhere -_- | 17:29 |
| eankutse | :-) | 17:29 |
| rjrjr_ | i would like to help out with any talks or demos again. | 17:29 |
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| rjrjr_ | do we want to coordinate our talks again? | 17:30 |
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| vinod1 | i think that worked well for us in the past | 17:30 |
| Kiall | back - I think that worked well last time | 17:30 |
| Kiall | mugsie: want to get an email thread / hangout going again? | 17:31 |
| vinod1 | so we should continue with that tradition | 17:31 |
| mugsie | yeah - defintly | 17:31 |
| mugsie | yeah - np | 17:31 |
| mugsie | action me ;) | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | how about we throw around ideas and settle on some topics at our mid-meetup in a couple of weeks? | 17:31 |
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| mugsie | the deadline is the same day as we start rjrjr_ :( | 17:31 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: abstracts are due 27th I think | 17:31 |
| rjrjr_ | oh. 8^( | 17:31 |
| Kiall | #action mugsie to setup etherpad / email thread / hangout for coordinating some talks | 17:32 |
| Kiall | In case we have any silent people listening - anyone who wasn't on the last one - drop mugsie your email address and he'll get you invited | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | Okay - should we move on then? | 17:33 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:33 |
| mugsie | graham.hayes@hp.com | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | #topic Spec for Zone and Record TotalCount | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106098/ | 17:33 |
| Kiall | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/98/106098/2/check/gate-designate-specs-docs/b622b44/doc/build/html/specs/juno/zone-and-record-totalcount.html | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | I think the spec looks good, but wanted to get peoples thoughts on the Format 1 vs Format 2 stuff so we can approve | 17:33 |
| Kiall | (it's jaycaz's spec) | 17:34 |
| vinod1 | I like format 2 | 17:34 |
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| timsim | He was taken by other interns. | 17:34 |
| mugsie | I am in favor of 2 | 17:34 |
| timsim | But I like format 2 as well. | 17:34 |
| Kiall | timsim: lol | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Okay - Anyone prefer Format 1? | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | And - If you haven't seen it - take a sec to read the proposed change section | 17:35 |
| eankutse | Kiall: what is the adv of format 2? | 17:35 |
| Kiall | (Just let us know your reading) | 17:35 |
| eankutse | I read | 17:35 |
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| betsy | I read it | 17:35 |
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| betsy | I like format 2 because it gives us a place to add more things in the future | 17:35 |
| Kiall | eankutse: I prefer #2, as it allows us to expand on the set of metadata we supply overtime without growing the number of "root" elements in the JSON | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | It also "looks" right to have a container, as all the other root elements are also containers | 17:36 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | I would like to limt the amount of root elements | 17:36 |
| eankutse | k. | 17:36 |
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| eankutse | + for format#2 | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | OK - I think we can call that decided then.. | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | #action jaycaz to update zone-and-record-totalcount spec to remove Format 1 | 17:38 |
| Kiall | 17:38 | |
| jaycaz | Kiall: sounds good! | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Before we move on, does anyone have ant other comments/questions on that spec? | 17:38 |
| eankutse | Looks great! | 17:38 |
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| mugsie | I am happy with it | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Okay - Once updated, I'll Approve unless I see some -1's on it in the next day | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | Moving on :) | 17:39 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | So .. Since our last meeting, we hit a milestone or two :) | 17:40 |
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| Kiall | 1) vinod1 got us a working mDNS :) Go vinod1 :) | 17:40 |
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| timsim | \o/ | 17:40 |
| vinod1 | Thanks kiall | 17:41 |
| eankutse | cool :-) | 17:41 |
| richm | +1 | 17:41 |
| Kiall | 2) We're slowing becoming more and more "Official".. mugsie got our docs sorted :) http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/ | 17:41 |
| mugsie | vinod1: it was quite cool to dig at designate :D | 17:41 |
| timsim | Oh snap, that's cool. | 17:41 |
| mugsie | timsim: we had to actually code that red banner at the top left to get accepted | 17:41 |
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| betsy | mugsie: thx for doing that | 17:42 |
| timsim | Hah, that's pretty awesome. | 17:42 |
| mugsie | np - brought me back to my begining days in software dev ;) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | and 3) While it hasn't merged yet.. betsy got our v2 RecordSet/Record API in order :) Now all we need to do is fix the historical "priority" is special thing, and we can call that API solid :) | 17:42 |
| mugsie | \o/ | 17:42 |
| betsy | So close | 17:42 |
| timsim | Very cool. | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Yep! Looking forward to merging those and getting closer to stability rather than feature work :) | 17:43 |
| Kiall | So - Anyone got anything else? | 17:43 |
| vinod1 | mugsie - can we get designate listed here too - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html | 17:43 |
| mugsie | vinod1: yeah, need to ping the docs team | 17:43 |
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| Kiall | #action mugsie to try get designate listed here too - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html | 17:44 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:44 |
| * mugsie needs to go find how that page is generated | 17:44 | |
| Kiall | Nobody have anything else? | 17:45 |
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| eankutse | not me | 17:45 |
| mugsie | I am good | 17:45 |
| vinod1 | got one | 17:45 |
| vinod1 | so when we update the docs do we need to do anything else before it shows up at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/ | 17:45 |
| mugsie | nope | 17:46 |
| Kiall | vinod1: no, magic happens and it should publish straight away | 17:46 |
| Kiall | for the client - the docs only publish when we tag | 17:46 |
| Kiall | and for specs - There isn't a place for those yet it seems | 17:46 |
| Kiall | If you want http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ right after a change merges, you'll see our designate-docs jobs triggered in the "post" pipeline to build+publish | 17:47 |
| Kiall | If you watch* | 17:47 |
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| Kiall | Okay - If that's everything, we can call it a day :) | 17:48 |
| Kiall | Thanks all! | 17:48 |
| eankutse | bye | 17:48 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:48 |
| jaycaz | see ya! | 17:48 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 17:48:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-07-16-17.00.html | 17:48 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-07-16-17.00.txt | 17:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-07-16-17.00.log.html | 17:48 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 16 18:02:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:02 |
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| grapex | o/ | 18:03 |
| vipul | o/ | 18:03 |
| annashen_ | o/ | 18:03 |
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| johnma | Hello | 18:03 |
| iccha | o/ | 18:03 |
| cp16net | o/ | 18:03 |
| amrith | 0/ | 18:03 |
| tvoran | o/ | 18:03 |
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| robertmyers | o/ | 18:03 |
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| esp | o/ | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda at | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:03 |
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| kevinconway | o/ | 18:04 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | Summary from previous meeting at: | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-07-09-18.00.html | 18:04 |
| mattgriffin | o/ | 18:04 |
| amcrn | o/ | 18:04 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | No specific action items from last time, so let's get started with Agenda topics. | 18:04 |
| michael-yu | o/ | 18:05 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | #topic Initial Clustering UI options | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | michael-yu: all yours. | 18:05 |
| michael-yu | cool. thanks, SlickNik. | 18:05 |
| michael-yu | i'll give everyone a chance to look at the wiki | 18:05 |
| michael-yu | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove-Clustering-UI | 18:06 |
| michael-yu | in short, i have a couple of proposals for clustering UI | 18:06 |
| michael-yu | you can see the mock screenshots there | 18:06 |
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| esp | michael-yu: nice screen shots :) | 18:07 |
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| michael-yu | thanks esp | 18:07 |
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| cp16net | i like pretty pictures | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | michael-yu: Nice work on the mock screenshots! | 18:07 |
| robertmyers | michael-yu: looks good | 18:08 |
| michael-yu | thanks everyone | 18:08 |
| michael-yu | i'm opening the floor up to any questions | 18:08 |
| michael-yu | before i go into a question i have for discussion | 18:08 |
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| dougshelley66 | michael-yu: I noticed the "Datastore" on the launch dialog has "2.4"? | 18:08 |
| michael-yu | ah yes | 18:08 |
| dougshelley66 | seems like the "Mongo" bit is missing - just wondering how the type of cluster gets specififed | 18:09 |
| cp16net | michael-yu: for every cluseter you create are you always going to "add shard" | 18:09 |
| michael-yu | that is based on the single drop down horizon patch | 18:09 |
| peterstac | Right, shouldn't there be a datastore version as well? | 18:09 |
| robertmyers | I prefer the first option rather then the expand view inside the list | 18:09 |
| cp16net | or is that just the case of mongo | 18:09 |
| vipul | that '# of shards' stuff seems confusing | 18:09 |
| michael-yu | peterstac / dougshelley66 - if you recall, the single drop down auto selects if there's only one | 18:09 |
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| dougshelley66 | michael-yu: right - just wondered where the "Mongo" part is | 18:10 |
| michael-yu | and for that mock shot, there's only "mongodb" -> "2.4" | 18:10 |
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| dougshelley66 | ok so on the "Add shards" part - is that specific to the type of cluster? | 18:10 |
| michael-yu | doughshelley - if you click on the datastore drop down, you would see "mongodb" | 18:10 |
| michael-yu | dougshelley66 / cp16net - correct | 18:11 |
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| michael-yu | for mongodb | 18:11 |
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| dougshelley66 | ok so some other type of cluster might generate different UI elements? | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | fwiw i think the first option is a better view than the accordion example | 18:11 |
| iccha | i prefer the first option as well, because the expanded row has way too much information | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: robertmyers said the same thing as well, and I agree with that. | 18:12 |
| michael-yu | dougshelley66 - correct. when additional data stores are supported for clustering, those changes or refactoring needs to come in | 18:12 |
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| cp16net | if there is some other awesome way maybe later it can look like that :-P | 18:12 |
| cp16net | but this should be good and convey the data we have | 18:13 |
| dougshelley66 | I was wondering if we could get a quick status as to the Clustering API? I assume if must be far along given you are building out UI elements for it? | 18:13 |
| dougshelley66 | s/if/it | 18:13 |
| esp | cp16net: +1 | 18:13 |
| amcrn | dougshelley66: it's working, we're finishing up some tests + refactoring | 18:13 |
| dougshelley66 | amcrn: thx | 18:14 |
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| amcrn | dougshelley66: plus adding some more of the minor aspects (blocking existing instance operations that are dangerous in cluster environments, etc.) | 18:14 |
| dougshelley66 | amcrn: are you still aiming for Juno? | 18:14 |
| robertmyers | so how will other datastore register the name to 'add shard' | 18:14 |
| amcrn | dougshelley66: we'll see | 18:14 |
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| cp16net | amcrn: thats tite | 18:14 |
| amcrn | dougshelley66: that's up the reviewers ;) | 18:14 |
| amcrn | up to the* | 18:14 |
| ramashri | for what its worth, the accordian style does present data on a single screen rather than having to back and forth by clicking into a cluster | 18:14 |
| dougshelley66 | amcrn: :) | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | amcrn / michael-yu: Thanks. I know mattgriffin had some ideas around trying to add support for xtradbcluster, so he was very interested in taking a look at the clustering API pieces. | 18:15 |
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| cp16net | robertmyers: good question. | 18:15 |
| robertmyers | WHat if you made multiple tables in the cluster list | 18:15 |
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| robertmyers | one for eash cluster | 18:15 |
| michael-yu | ramashri: that is correct. from the UX standpoint, the accordion could make more sense. thoughts? | 18:15 |
| robertmyers | with all the instances in it | 18:15 |
| peterstac | ramashri: I agree - would probably be faster too | 18:15 |
| vgnbkr | How are different node types/rolls (Arbiter etc) selected? | 18:16 |
| michael-yu | robertmyers: our thoughts are that we take the same approach as when MySQL was the first datastore supported. The initial clustering UI will reflect and support the first iteration of clustering (which will be for MongoDB). | 18:16 |
| ramashri | robertmyers, the accoridian style is preferable over the multiple tables since it allows the user to select which cluster detail he wants a view into | 18:17 |
| robertmyers | michael-yu: http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/figures/5/a/figures/image10.jpg | 18:17 |
| robertmyers | sort of like that | 18:17 |
| amcrn | vgnbkr: different node types aren't supported in the first iteration | 18:17 |
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| michael-yu | robertmyers: what would each table be? | 18:18 |
| michael-yu | one table for mongodb clusters? | 18:18 |
| robertmyers | the cluster with the controls | 18:18 |
| michael-yu | another for couch base clusters? | 18:18 |
| robertmyers | no, one for each cluster | 18:18 |
| michael-yu | hmm... | 18:19 |
| michael-yu | i don't know about that | 18:19 |
| robertmyers | then the table would be the instances | 18:19 |
| michael-yu | for N number of clusters i have, i would see N tables | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | robertmyers: So it changes when you click on the cluster in question? | 18:19 |
| michael-yu | what if N is large | 18:19 |
| amcrn | robertmyers: the issue with that is, if you have a particular tenant in certain environments that will be responsible for all production deployments, that is a *ton* of tables | 18:19 |
| robertmyers | pagination? | 18:19 |
| robertmyers | well, they'll have an issue either way | 18:20 |
| robertmyers | but I'm just giving ideas | 18:20 |
| michael-yu | robertmyers: yup, understood. thanks. | 18:20 |
| ramashri | the accordian gives best of both (summary list of all clusters) with a peek into details of the cluster the user needs a look at | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | michael-yu: I don't dislike the idea of an accordion. I'm not sure I like that particular view in the accordion. A couple of things I don't like about it are — 1. A lot of wasted space on the right, 2. It has tabs in the accordion view. | 18:21 |
| abramley | michael-yu - I have used the accordion style UI in I think the containers screen - and I find it very diffiicult to read - the layout never looks right to me | 18:21 |
| kevinconway | i like pie graphs | 18:21 |
| amcrn | kevinconway: i like pie, particularly apple | 18:22 |
| cp16net | kevinconway: dont you mean pi | 18:22 |
| robertmyers | SlickNik: +1 | 18:22 |
| michael-yu | SlickNik: thanks for pointing that out. as for #1… i didn't do a good job on the mock on that as i'm not a pro on html/css… but i was hoping to convey that the entire details tabs covers the length of entire row | 18:22 |
| michael-yu | not just one column as you see in the mock | 18:23 |
| ramashri | from a op admin standpoint accoridan could be useful, though i couldnt speak to aesthetics... slicknick you have any ideas on how the aesthetics can be better | 18:23 |
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| michael-yu | abranley: understood. it's both a pro and con. pro in that you get a quick and easy way to look into the cluster details as ramashri pointed out. con in that it could be cluttered with information, | 18:24 |
| michael-yu | abramley | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | michael-yu: I think for a v1 implementation it might be prudent to leave out the accordion. It can be added as a separate task later. | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | michael-yu: I'd assume we'd want to do something similar with instance details as well, so this might not be specific to clusters. | 18:24 |
| michael-yu | SlickNik: ok. i like that idea. | 18:24 |
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| esmute | instead of the accordion, is it possible to have a hover panel showing the overview? | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | michael-yu: Perhaps as part of a different UX improvement BP? | 18:24 |
| esmute | Or are they not standard in horizon? | 18:24 |
| michael-yu | plus the implementation for v1 will most likely be used for accordion | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | michael-yu: yup. | 18:25 |
| michael-yu | esmute: that was an option we ran through, but haven't seen that elsewhere in horizon. anyone know? | 18:25 |
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| abramley | esmute - for consistency I think we would want to work with the horizon folks to have a similar way of doing this across all of the dashboard - we shouldn't pick a different UI paradigm for the trove components | 18:25 |
| michael-yu | SlickNik: sounds goopd | 18:25 |
| ramashri | SlickNik: why shouldnt we have accordian/hover for V1 | 18:25 |
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| esmute | abramley: yeah that is what i thought.. but it does look better and slicker with the hover | 18:26 |
| abramley | esmute - not saying it is a bad idea -just we should aim for consistency too | 18:26 |
| vgnbkr | I assume the Instances tab enumerates the instances for a shard. Will it have options to add/delete instances in a shard? | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | ramashri: because this isn't UI that's specific to clusters. It really is a _different_ UX work item (i.e. how do we surface details (either instance or cluster) inline so that the user doesn't have to click back and forth) | 18:26 |
| amcrn | vgnbkr: deleting instances in a shard will not be supported in the first iteration | 18:27 |
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| michael-yu | vgnbkr: add shard possibly for v1. delete shard no. | 18:27 |
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| vgnbkr | What does a user do if an instance crashes and isn't recoverable? | 18:28 |
| ramashri | SlickNik: thanks for clarifying, I still think it should nto be a separate effor because effort is double and it also puts onus on person doing the improvement to improve all or none | 18:28 |
| amcrn | vgnbkr: the first iteration isn't mean to be production-deployable; as is the case with our cassandra + mongo standalone instance implementations | 18:28 |
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| iccha | michael-yu: what if we had selected items in the accordion view and then the user would have to click on it to go to a seprate page for more detailed view? | 18:29 |
| michael-yu | iccha: for example what kind of selected items? | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | ramashri: I'm fine with doing them separately, or incrementally; just pointing out that we should plan to address both to have a consistent UX, and that it's not cluster specifix. | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | specific* | 18:30 |
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| michael-yu | iccha: also the point of having the accordion is so that they don't have to navigate to a different page | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, we should move on to the next topic. | 18:30 |
| ramashri | SlickNik: agree that both should be addressed. I am just concerned that it is double the effort to do first option UI and then do the accordian as well | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | ramashri: is it really double? That view needs to be implemented anyway for the on-click, I think. The difference is whether you also implement it as an accordion or not. | 18:32 |
| michael-yu | SlickNik is correct | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | ramashri: Let's talk about it offline after the meeting in the interest of time. | 18:32 |
| ramashri | ok i rest my case | 18:32 |
| michael-yu | accordion work needs the first option UI work | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Doc Scrub Update | 18:33 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, I have something for this topic | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-doc-items | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | So I added a couple of new sections: reviewer(s), and reviews | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | The idea being that people can volunteer do reviews of certain docs, and folks can add links to the reviews as they work on them so that the reviewers can review them | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | amrith: go for it. | 18:35 |
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| amrith | ok | 18:35 |
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| amrith | I'd signed up for the guest image piece at the meeting on 09 | 18:35 |
| amrith | there was a conversation at that meeting about jeos being outdated | 18:35 |
| amrith | and therefore superceded (sp?) by dib | 18:36 |
| amrith | I've been working on my part of this | 18:36 |
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| amrith | today I notice a commit for the jeos stuff and it is now in the reviews section | 18:36 |
| amrith | I notice also that johnma was reviewing it (comments on irc0 | 18:36 |
| amrith | icr) | 18:36 |
| amrith | irc) | 18:36 |
| amrith | was confused | 18:36 |
| amrith | are you still looking for dib documentation | 18:36 |
| amrith | or not? | 18:36 |
| amrith | didn't want to spend my time (and laurel's potentially) if the commit denis pushed up is sufficient | 18:36 |
| amrith | or required | 18:37 |
| amrith | <eof> | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | amrith: AFAIK heat-jeos is superseded by dib | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | and we should have docs detailing the image-building procedure using diskimage-builder. | 18:38 |
| amrith | ok, thx. I'll keep going | 18:38 |
| amrith | update on status. | 18:38 |
| amrith | slower than I had expected | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | I'm not sure why denis pushed up heat-jeos related image building instructions, but I can follow up with him on that. | 18:38 |
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| amrith | I will try to get to juno-2 deadline. | 18:38 |
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| amrith | thanks | 18:39 |
| amrith | <done with my update> | 18:39 |
| johnma | yes I just started reviewing it and noticed that there were heat documentation on doing it both ways - DIB and JEOS. So should I hold off on doing the reviews | 18:39 |
| * amrith redirects question to SlickNik | 18:39 | |
| SlickNik | johnma: If you look here: https://github.com/sdake/heat-jeos you'll see a note about heat-jeos being superseded. | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | johnma: So I would wait for the dib docs to land and would review those. | 18:40 |
| johnma | ok, sounds good. Thanks | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | hopefully amrith and laurelm will push that patch up soon to review. | 18:41 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks johnma for signing up to review these docs. | 18:41 |
| * amrith runs for cover | 18:41 | |
| johnma | sure, glad to help out :) | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | Okay, other folks feel free to sign up as reviewers. | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | shayneburgess isn't here, so I'm going to "volunteer" him to review a few docs. :P | 18:42 |
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| SlickNik | Any other questions regarding the doc-scrub update? | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | Hoping to whip this up into shape soon! | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | #topic Juno-2 cut next week | 18:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno-2 cut next week (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:44 | |
| SlickNik | Release schedule is here: | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | And trove work items that are currently assigned to juno-2 | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-2 | 18:44 |
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| amrith | ha, what? | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | So a couple of things around this. | 18:45 |
| cp16net | OH MAN | 18:45 |
| amrith | was there a change? | 18:45 |
| cp16net | already? | 18:45 |
| amrith | it was 24th | 18:45 |
| amrith | all along, I thought? | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | next week is the week of the 24th | 18:46 |
| amrith | yes | 18:46 |
| amrith | that's what I thought | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | So there's no change here. | 18:46 |
| amrith | ok. figured out the confusion. "openstack changed the topic to: Juno-2 cut next week" which I read to mean that the schedule has changed | 18:47 |
| amrith | no the topic changed | 18:47 |
| amrith | that's all | 18:47 |
| amrith | I need glasses | 18:47 |
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| vipul | the capabilities BP.. shoudl that be High for Juno-2? | 18:47 |
| dougshelley66 | vipul: seems like capabilities ended up in a black hole | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | vipul, nope. I'm going to tidy up the work item list today to ensure we have a good predictor of what will make it in Juno-2. | 18:48 |
| vipul | we probalby should retarget | 18:48 |
| vipul | ok thanks SlickNik | 18:48 |
| dougshelley66 | vipul: understood | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | If something's in progress, and won't make it for the cut - please ping me and let me know. | 18:49 |
| vipul | so SlickNik does code need to be merged for us to meet these ? | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | I'll ping folks on the channel once we have a proposed milestone. | 18:49 |
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| SlickNik | Yes, we need to concentrate on reviews and getting what's targeted for Juno-2 merged. | 18:50 |
| vipul | roger | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | ^ cp16net / grapex / hub_cap / amcrn | 18:50 |
| amcrn | aye aye captain. | 18:51 |
| cp16net | word | 18:51 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Will do. | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | That's all I had on juno-2 | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys. | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:51 | |
| amrith | got one (not bp related) | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | amrith: floor is yours | 18:52 |
| amrith | will wait to see if someone has bp related question | 18:52 |
| amrith | in response to an earlier conversation | 18:52 |
| amrith | with cp16net I entered https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1342857 | 18:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1342857 in oslo "Provide additional logging from execute()" [Undecided,New] | 18:52 |
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| amrith | it is a bug to push some code up to oslo, to enhance execute() logging | 18:52 |
| amrith | there's currently some code for the trove execute_with_timeout() change | 18:53 |
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| amrith | should we do both? | 18:53 |
| amrith | I'm not sure when the oslo code will filter back down | 18:53 |
| amrith | so my q ... | 18:53 |
| amrith | what's the eta on something getting pushed up to oslo coming back down to trove | 18:53 |
| amrith | <end question> | 18:53 |
| amcrn | needs to land in oslo, then we sync | 18:53 |
| amcrn | on a patch i submitted, it took maybe a week or so | 18:54 |
| amrith | ok, thanks | 18:54 |
| amcrn | ymmv | 18:54 |
| amrith | in that case I'll just schedule these sequentially | 18:54 |
| amrith | once my stuff gets into oslo (if my stuff...) then I'll plan on the merge back | 18:54 |
| amrith | thanks! | 18:54 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: That sounds like a good idea. | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Thanks for the follow up! | 18:55 |
| amrith | I'll co-author oslo fix with the person who put the code into trove | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | Did anyone have anything else for Open Discussion? | 18:56 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: containers)" | 18:57 | |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 16 18:57:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-07-16-18.02.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-07-16-18.02.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-07-16-18.02.log.html | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:57 |
| amcrn | thanks | 18:57 |
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