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salv-mobileAloha15:59
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dhellmannhi, salv-mobile15:59
dhellmannwho else is around for the oslo meeting?15:59
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markmcyo16:00
markmcfor first 3016:00
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jecareyhi16:00
Alexei_9871o/16:00
i159\o/16:00
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dhellmanngood turnout today :-)16:00
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dhellmann#startmeeting oslo16:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Jul 18 16:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'oslo'16:00
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dhellmannour agenda:16:00
dhellmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting16:00
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dhellmann#topic red flags from liaisons16:00
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bknudsonkeystone -- none16:01
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dhellmann#info we’re working on the problem with py26 that prevents us from using alpha versions16:01
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dhellmannmordred thinks that's fixed and we just need to wait for new CI images to be built before we can try some of those patches again16:01
salv-mobileNeutron all quiet16:01
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dhellmannthat's what I like to hear :-)16:02
bknudsonoslo.i18n merged into keystone -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104400/16:02
dhellmannexcellent!16:02
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mordreddhellmann: actually... found another issue16:02
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markmcdhellmann, watching https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/gate-oslo-incubator-python26/382/console16:02
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* dhellmann has a sad16:02
mordredyah16:02
markmcnope, died16:02
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dhellmannmordred, markmc : is this just a whack-a-mole issue that we can eventually solve, or is there a fundamental problem with doing this?16:03
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mordredwhack a mole16:04
mordredtoday's problem has nothing to do with Python16:04
markmcquestion is whether we should remove the alphas from global-requirements for now16:05
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markmctake the pressure off16:05
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mordredsomething else in the centos image derped16:05
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dhellmannmarkmc: pressure?16:05
mordredwhich borked Nova16:05
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markmcdhellmann, all the auto-proposed requirements changes that are held up16:05
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markmcdhellmann, aside from the alphas16:05
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dhellmannmarkmc: ah. Can we test this case without those change proposals in place, though?16:06
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markmcdhellmann, hmm, probably not16:07
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dhellmannmarkmc: the other changes can be safely proposed by hand, so we shouldn't be holding anyone up16:07
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dhellmannat least I think that works16:07
markmcdhellmann, well, we can manually propose - the requirements check will fail, but we can see if the py26 succeeds16:07
dhellmanntrue16:07
markmcok, I'll propose16:08
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dhellmannok, send me the link and I can get it aproved16:08
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markmcproblem is people don't know what's going on16:08
dhellmannwe should mail the -dev list, I guess16:08
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dhellmanndo you have time to write a summary?16:08
bknudsonCan you manually propose if it's not in global requirements? I thought the package wouldn't be in the mirror16:08
dhellmannbknudson: the mirror is now a full mirror16:09
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dhellmanninfra switched over to bandersnatch fairly recently16:09
bknudsonok16:09
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dhellmannok, let's keep going16:09
dhellmann#topic adoption status16:09
dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status16:09
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dhellmannobviously we're a bit blocked on the alphas, but the new libraries aren't alphas so that work can continue16:10
bknudsonoh, this is where I should say i18n merged to keystone16:10
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dhellmannbknudson: thanks16:10
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GheRiveroand in ironic16:10
sreshetnyaksahara started to migration to oslo.db and oslo.i18n16:11
dhellmannGheRivero: if you have a patch to list in the etherpad, that would be good16:11
GheRiverooslo.db is on the way, waiting for a change for the opportunistic approach for db migration and testing.16:11
dhellmannsreshetnyak: great, can you add that info to the etherpad?16:11
GheRiverosure. will do16:11
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dhellmannGheRivero: thanks16:11
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beekneemechGheRivero: I think the opportunistic db change merged today.16:12
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i159beekneemech: yep16:12
Alexei_9871I have a patch to migrate cinder to oslo.db16:12
beekneemechSo next oslo.db release it should be ready to go.16:12
dhellmanni159: should we cut a release so ironic can use that fix?16:13
dhellmannAlexei_9871: is that the one on line 53 of the etherpad, or another one?16:13
i159dhellmann: I think, yes16:13
sreshetnyakdhellmann, yes16:13
dhellmanni159: ok, maybe monday morning (no releases on friday!)16:13
Alexei_9871dhellmann: yes16:13
viktorsdhellmann: sure :)16:13
i159dhellmann: but we still have old version in the global-reqs16:13
dhellmannAlexei_9871: perfect, just making sure we had all the info correct16:13
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dhellmanni159: if that is a minimum version the new version will be picked up automatically16:14
sreshetnyakdhellmann, can share link to etherpad?16:14
dhellmannhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status16:14
sreshetnyakdhellmann, thanks16:14
i159dhellmann: ok, that makes my life easier)16:15
markmcdhellmann, ok it's https://review.openstack.org/10805516:15
markmcdhellmann, tried to capture the summary as I know it so people have something to refer to16:15
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dhellmannmarkmc: cool, thanks16:16
dhellmannliaisons, let us know if you need help with reviews or if the cores in the other projects have questions about the recommended approach on any of these updates16:16
dhellmannlet's keep going...16:17
dhellmann#topic spec status16:17
dhellmannmerged several more specs this week16:17
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dhellmann#info greenio executor for oslo.messaging - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104792/ - merged16:17
dhellmann#info scoping for atoms and flows - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100048/ - merged16:17
dhellmann#info redis backend for taskflow - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105298/ - merged16:17
dhellmann#info AMQP 1.0 driver for oslo.messaging - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96729/ - merged16:17
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dhellmannThe work on the driver has made some progress, but there's a question about whether or not the distros will have the dependencies set up. I don't know if we're going to have to bump this one to Kilo or not, yet.16:17
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dhellmannmarkmc: are you aware of any change in status of those packages for debian or ubuntu?16:18
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markmcdhellmann, nope, there was a thread on infra list this week16:18
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markmcdhellmann, one sec and I dig up the link16:18
markmc#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-July/thread.html#155316:19
markmcthat's the latest as I know it16:19
markmckgiusti is driving it16:19
dhellmannok16:19
dhellmannI'll have to talk to ttx about when we might have to cut that off and retarget for kilo16:20
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dhellmannwe should keep pushing ahead with the work no matter what16:20
markmcindeed16:20
dhellmannI would like to get some more feedback on the policy configuration directory spec:16:20
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104157/16:20
dhellmannit seems logical to treat policy files like configuration files16:20
dhellmannit's not clear what keystone is planning with a policy fetching API (or why they would do that)16:21
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dhellmanndoes anyone have any special interest in the policy code?16:21
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* dhellmann takes that as a "no" :-)16:22
bknudsonit would be ayoung16:23
dhellmannother than the policy directory spec, I don’t see any that have an obvious chance of making it into juno, but as we agreed earlier there’s no real need to have a formal “freeze” for specs16:23
dhellmannbknudson: do you know whether the API for fetching policies is likely to land in keystone this cycle?16:23
dhellmannand, I guess, whether other projects are likely to adopt it?16:23
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bknudsondhellmann: I think it's unlikely... I don't think there's a spec for it proposed.16:24
dhellmannok, I don't think we should hold up this improvement then16:24
dhellmanncores, please add it to your review list16:24
bknudsonkeystone has always had policy fetching... but nobody's used it16:24
salv-mobileI don't see demand for an api endpoint to manage authz policies in neutron16:24
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* dhellmann nods16:25
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dhellmann#topic oslo.utils graduation status16:26
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dhellmann#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-utils16:26
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dhellmanndimsum: any updates?16:26
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dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo.utils+is:open,n,z16:27
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dhellmannthere are a few reviews open, and several look like they would be release blockers16:27
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dhellmannlooks like one was hit by an unrelated gate failure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106753/16:28
dhellmann#topic oslo.serialization graduation status16:28
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dhellmann#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-serialization16:28
dhellmannbeekneemech: this one is you, right?16:28
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beekneemechdhellmann: Yeah.  See earlier comment about being in demo hell again this week. :-(16:28
dhellmannbeekneemech: ok, no worries16:29
beekneemechI don't know that I'm going to make significant progress on that in the near future now either.16:29
beekneemechTripleO meetup next week, and vacation the week after.16:29
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dhellmannbeekneemech: ok, let's talk about handing that off, I might be able to pick it up16:29
dhellmannunless we have another volunteer?16:29
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dhellmannlet's see if flaper87|afk has some time, too16:30
dhellmann#topic oslo.concurrency graduation status16:30
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dhellmann#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/graduate-oslo-concurrency16:30
dhellmannI assume this is the same? :-)16:30
beekneemechYep16:30
dhellmannok, same answer, let's look for some help16:31
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dhellmannbeekneemech: how about sending email to the ML?16:31
beekneemechdhellmann: Okay, will do.16:31
dhellmannbeekneemech: ok, thanks16:32
dhellmann#topic release review16:32
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dhellmann#info oslo.rootwrap 1.3.0.0a1 - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-rootwrap-1.3.016:32
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dhellmanndid I miss anything, or was that the only release this week?16:32
dhellmannmarkmc is working on oslo.messaging 1.3.1 for ceilometer and i159 is going to release a new oslo.db monday16:33
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dhellmann#topic juno-2 cut-off next week16:33
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dhellmannI expect we'll have a harder time with projects accepting new libs as we pass j-2, but we'll keep working on releasing them with the expectation that they will be adopted by k-116:34
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dhellmanndoes that make sense to everyone, or should we be more aggressive about adoption?16:34
beekneemechI think that's fine.  Our goal was never to get everyone on the libs this cycle, just to have them graduated.16:35
dhellmannyep16:35
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beekneemechWould be nice to WIP adoption patches proposed so they can be rebased early in K and ready to go.16:35
dhellmannooo, good idea, I like that16:36
bknudsonI'm wondering if keystone should switch to module syncs rather than full oslo-incubator syncs for J2... probably should just continue with the full syncs16:36
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viktorsbeekneemech: it's can be hart hard to find reviewers sometimes :(16:36
dhellmannbknudson: how far out of sync are you?16:36
bknudsondhellmann: keystone was just syncd this week16:37
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bknudsonso we're not out of sync at all16:37
dhellmannbknudson: ok, great16:37
beekneemechviktors: Right, but it should be much easier if we have patches ready right away in K.16:37
beekneemechThe longer the adoptions take the more resistance there will be.16:38
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dhellmannwe'll need to reiterate that the incubated version of the modules will be going away at the end of K16:38
dhellmannremoving the RPC code at the end of juno will help with that signaling :-)16:38
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viktorsbeekneemech: I'm affraid, that adoption to to oslo.db will came to Nova only in K (16:38
beekneemechviktors: That's perfectly fine.16:39
dhellmannviktors: that's not at all surprising, and why I didn't want us to work on nova before any other projects16:39
dhellmannnova is being (rightfully) cautious16:39
dhellmann#topic open discussion16:39
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dhellmanndoes anyone have anything else they need to bring up this week?16:40
bknudsonare there any libs released other than those on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-oslo-adoption-status ?16:40
viktorsdhellmann, rpodolyaka - can we mark https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/sync-models-with-migrations BP as approved?16:40
viktorssorry, implemented16:40
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dhellmannbknudson: that list is for the newly created libs, but we have been doing releases of some of the other existing libs16:40
Alexei_9871https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105796/16:40
Alexei_9871messaging spec16:40
dhellmannbknudson: it looks like oslo.utils is probably the next most likely new library16:40
bknudsony, new libs16:40
Alexei_9871already implemented16:41
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Alexei_9871could someone please review it?16:41
bknudsonok, keystone would be able to use oslo.utils... for importing16:41
Alexei_9871cause it seems that markmc doesn't have enough time to review his own project16:41
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dhellmannAlexei_9871: it looks like there are a few unanswered questions there.16:41
Alexei_9871dhellmann: it's more like nits16:41
Alexei_9871so would like to have more votes on this16:41
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Alexei_9871cause questions are related to how we show diagrams16:42
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dhellmannAlexei_9871: ok, it looks like the relevant experts are on the review list for that one16:42
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dhellmannAlexei_9871: and I'll put it on my list, too16:43
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dhellmannbknudson: the only part of importutils we expect to have public is try_import, I think16:45
mordreddhellmann: I'm spinning new nodes now - the problem was actually a rackspace specific yum mirror issue16:45
dhellmannthe other parts will be there, but not part of the public API16:45
dhellmannmordred: good news!16:46
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dhellmannbknudson: so if you're using, for example, import_class, the expectation is that will switch to use stevedore16:46
bknudsonalways pushing stevedore...16:46
bknudsonhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/common/manager.py#n7016:47
dhellmannyes, well, is't the oslo lib, no?16:47
bknudsonkeystone uses import_object16:47
dhellmannbknudson: right, those functions will still be available through the incubator16:47
bknudsonwait, maybe you had a review to switch to stevedore...16:47
dhellmannbknudson: I did, and I forget what was wrong with it16:47
dhellmannbknudson: https://review.openstack.org/8941916:48
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bknudsony, let's get that moving.16:48
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dhellmannbknudson: I'd be happy if you wanted to take that patch over and fix it up to meet the keystone devs' requirements16:49
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bknudsondhellmann: ok, I'll look at it.16:49
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dhellmannbknudson: ok, ping me if you have questions you think I can help with16:49
bknudsonlooks pretty straightforward16:49
dhellmanncool16:50
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dhellmannI think that's it for this week?16:50
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dhellmannok, thanks for coming, everyone!16:51
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dhellmann#endmeeting16:52
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