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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI Passthrough | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 13:00:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI Passthrough)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:00 |
| baoli | Hi there | 13:01 |
| heyongli | hi | 13:01 |
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| beagles | hi | 13:01 |
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| baoli | Irenab is not going to be here today | 13:01 |
| baoli | Let's wait to see if John and Rkukura are going to join | 13:02 |
| Guest84743 | (nick has gone crazy, Guest84743 is beagles) | 13:02 |
| rkukura | I’m lurking, but am not caught up on current sr-iov goings on | 13:02 |
| baoli | I think that we should get started. | 13:04 |
| * russellb lurking | 13:05 | |
| baoli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86606/ | 13:05 |
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| baoli | For networking, my simplistic view of how tenant is going to use it: 1) want a sr-iov port (with macvtap or not), 2) the port is connected to a particular network. | 13:07 |
| heyongli | baoli, agree, also picture this way | 13:08 |
| baoli | So basically a compute host needs to provide the number of sr-iov ports per network it's connected with | 13:09 |
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| heyongli | don't get you point, but this is sound good, | 13:10 |
| baoli | heyongli, I'm talking about the information required from a compute host for sr-iov networking | 13:11 |
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| heyongli | got, does this bring something new? | 13:12 |
| Guest84743 | baoli, to clarify, when you write "(macvtap or not)" above, do you mean the tenant specifies the type of connection (direct/macvtap) or is this implicit in the sr-iov/network spec? | 13:13 |
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| baoli | guest84743, two variants with sr-iov ports | 13:13 |
| Guest84743 | right okay | 13:14 |
| Guest84743 | so the have a degree of control over how it is connected? | 13:14 |
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| baoli | heyongli, not really. We have gone over it several times. | 13:14 |
| heyongli | i suppose the port type could be specified by user or not, both should be a valid use case | 13:14 |
| baoli | Guest84743, yea, with macvtap, less performance, but with live migration support | 13:15 |
| * Guest84743 nods | 13:15 | |
| baoli | heyongli, on top of the basic use cases, you brought it up that a tenant may want to use a sr-iov port that resides on a particular vendor's card. | 13:16 |
| baoli | Would everyone agree that the cloud should provide this support to the tenant? | 13:17 |
| Guest84743 | has there ever been a discussion about using classifiers instead of direct "specification" that would mean something like 'passthru-to-net-foo-direct' instead of lower level details, or is this type of generalization/indirection seen as being part of a flavor mechanism | 13:17 |
| russellb | this feels like flavor driven stuff to me | 13:17 |
| heyongli | guest84743, i agree | 13:17 |
| russellb | Guest84743: /nick beagles :-) | 13:17 |
| baoli | beagles, yes, we talked about that. | 13:18 |
| sadasu | Guest84743: good point | 13:18 |
| Guest84743 | russellb, wouldn't let me change.. or kept changing it back | 13:18 |
| russellb | Guest84743: may need to identify with nickserv | 13:18 |
| rkukura | I’m no expert on this area, but do we need to think about how the tenant ensures the VM has the right driver for whatever device they are asking for? | 13:18 |
| Guest84743 | yeah, I've read the backlog of emails but in the end I couldn't get a strong handle on the general consensus | 13:18 |
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| heyongli | i also think the vendor, vnic type should be hide in flaovr, but user also should can choose it if user does want it | 13:18 |
| sadasu | rkukura: yes...that is very critical for the feature to work | 13:19 |
| b3nt_pin | heh, b3nt_pin will have to do for now.. won't let me (b3nt_pin is beagles) | 13:19 |
| baoli | rkukura, do you mean the kernel device driver? | 13:20 |
| rkukura | baoli: yes | 13:20 |
| rkukura | in the VM | 13:20 |
| b3nt_pin | rkukura, that wouldn't suck :) | 13:20 |
| sadasu | when the tenant picks the vendor and product ids, this indirectly takes care of the tenant driver criteria | 13:20 |
| russellb | you can so something for that between flavor metadata and image metadata | 13:20 |
| russellb | capabilities / requirements matching | 13:20 |
| russellb | if you want | 13:20 |
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| b3nt_pin | russellb, is there a good example of this in use that you would recommend? | 13:21 |
| rkukura | If the tenant needs to ensure the VM has the correct driver, I don’t think we should be obfuscating how the tenant specifies/sees the vNIC type too much | 13:21 |
| russellb | rkukura: that's a fair point | 13:22 |
| sadasu | rkukura: the same driver usually supports both vnic_types generally | 13:22 |
| heyongli | the drive should directly depend on the device it use, not the nic type it use, i think | 13:24 |
| sadasu | driver decides which host the VM can run on and the vnic_type decides the mode in which the sr-iov port can be used | 13:24 |
| rkukura | Again, I’m far from an expert on this area, but does the VM need a driver specific to the SR-IOV card’s vendor/type? | 13:25 |
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| sadasu | vnic_type is not useful in the placement of a VM on a host but the driver info is | 13:25 |
| sadasu | rkukura: correct | 13:25 |
| baoli | rkukura, would an image be built with all the device drivers the cloud would support? | 13:26 |
| rkukura | So vnic_type is more of a mode of operation than a device type? | 13:26 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: correct ...again :-) | 13:27 |
| rkukura | baoli: I guess if the image is supplied by the cloud provider, that would be reasonable. | 13:27 |
| sadasu | and only neutron cares about the vnic_type...nova can be blind to it | 13:27 |
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| sadasu | we just want to include it in a single API, so the user can launch a VM with all these specification via one command | 13:27 |
| heyongli | to get a device driver properly setup, we may setup the meta data after get the actually device, but i'm not sure at that point, is there a way to do so, for a tenant image. | 13:28 |
| sadasu | rkukura: by image do you mean kernel driver for the sr-iov ports? | 13:29 |
| b3nt_pin | sadasu, rkukura: to clarify, are we saying that a VM needs a device specific driver? If yes, does it still need that if the vnic type is macvtap (doesn't sound right)? | 13:29 |
| heyongli | and this is common issue for all pci passthrough not only for sriov | 13:29 |
| rkukura | b3nt_pin: I don’t know the answers | 13:29 |
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| b3nt_pin | rkukura, :) okay... I'll poke around and see if I can find out what the deal with libvirt is at least. | 13:30 |
| sadasu | b3nt_pin: host needs a device specific driver | 13:30 |
| b3nt_pin | sadasu, host, but not VM, right? | 13:30 |
| rkukura | sadasu: Yes, I meant the image that is booted, with its kernel, drivers, … | 13:30 |
| sadasu | b3nt_pin: correct | 13:30 |
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| b3nt_pin | sadasu, aahhh okay... that makes sense :) | 13:31 |
| b3nt_pin | sadasu, I'm curious how VFs are presented to a VM but I suppose that is a virtualization detail. | 13:32 |
| sadasu | rkukura: atleast with the pci passthru devices that I am exposed to so far...the driver resides in the kernel of the host OS and not the guest OS | 13:32 |
| sadasu | not sure if any devices out there break that model | 13:32 |
| b3nt_pin | sadasu, I'm happy to "hear" that as it is consistent with my admittedly "academic" view (awaiting hardware to get hands-on) | 13:33 |
| sadasu | but I am guessing there will dfntlt be a host OS level driver...there might be an additional guest os lever driver | 13:33 |
| sadasu | level* | 13:33 |
| heyongli | sadasu, any device? don't thinks so, some driver must in the guest os also,for some device | 13:33 |
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| b3nt_pin | heyongli, yeah.. that would make sense especially for not networking SR-IOV | 13:33 |
| sadasu | heyongli: yes...mentioned that.. | 13:34 |
| * b3nt_pin wonders if anybody has a crypto board | 13:34 | |
| sadasu | the point I am trying to make is that ..there is a host kernel dependency also... | 13:34 |
| heyongli | b3nt_pin, i had one | 13:34 |
| heyongli | sadasu, seems a deploy problem | 13:34 |
| russellb | i think even if we only pulled of sr-iov NICs for Juno, that'd be a huge step forward :) | 13:35 |
| b3nt_pin | sadasu, yeah.. so this has to be presented as part of the info, basically. Whether configured or discovered. | 13:35 |
| sadasu | if the dependency is only on the VM image, then I think it is pretty simple because the cloud provider can provide the correct image ...end of story | 13:35 |
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| b3nt_pin | russellb, +100 | 13:35 |
| baoli | I think that we are talking about a different issue: how to select a host that meets the requirement that comes from a tenant built image. | 13:35 |
| russellb | "only" | 13:35 |
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| * b3nt_pin didn't meant to "dilute" | 13:35 | |
| russellb | nah i said that | 13:36 |
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| rkukura | My concern was purely with the tenant VM having the correct driver for the virtual device that shows up in the VM, not with the hosts’ drivers. | 13:36 |
| heyongli | rkukura, the metadata service might be a answer for this, fix me | 13:37 |
| sadasu | rkukura: in that case, the tenant has to supply nova with the correct image id, correct? | 13:37 |
| baoli | Say the tenant built image supports mlnx driver only. | 13:38 |
| heyongli | baoli, then we need vendor information here, in the flavor | 13:38 |
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| baoli | How to extract the requirement from the image? | 13:39 |
| heyongli | sadasu, for any image, provide some information to VM is a possible solution | 13:39 |
| sadasu | baoli: thought we covered that... | 13:40 |
| heyongli | baoli, this is another story, i try to make image can append pci device information specs or flavor something | 13:40 |
| sadasu | heyongli: yes, that where the vendor_id, product_id come into play | 13:40 |
| baoli | sadasu, can you enlighten me again? | 13:41 |
| sadasu | baoli: :-) | 13:41 |
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| sadasu | u are the expert.. | 13:41 |
| sadasu | ok...so I think this is where we are: | 13:42 |
| b3nt_pin | can we not simply assign that info to the image via metadata? | 13:42 |
| sadasu | PCI device needs 1. driver in host OS 2. driver in guest OS 3. Both | 13:42 |
| heyongli | b3nt_pin, we must had facility to extrat that from image. | 13:43 |
| sadasu | veryone on same page so far? | 13:43 |
| heyongli | sure, host driver is deploy scope i think,, guest image is a problem, we might should split that to another topic , it's common for all pci device. fix me | 13:44 |
| sadasu | specifying vendor_id, product_id will help nova place VM of type 1 on correct host | 13:44 |
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| baoli | b3nt_pin: do we have an API to associate the meta-data with the image, which then can be used for host scheduling? | 13:45 |
| sadasu | based on driver inside the VM image, once again giving vendor_id, product_id to nova should let us place it on the Host having the correct HW | 13:45 |
| heyongli | sadasu, i don't think vm need this in a type one request, where am i wrong? | 13:45 |
| sadasu | case 3: is same as above | 13:45 |
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| b3nt_pin | baoli, http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/image-metadata.html | 13:46 |
| baoli | b3nt_pin, thanks | 13:46 |
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| sadasu | for case 1: we will use vendor_id product_id just to determine if pci passthrro devices exist | 13:46 |
| sadasu | b3nt_pin: thanks will take a look | 13:47 |
| heyongli | sadasu, no , whitelist should does this, in a deploy stage. | 13:47 |
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| sadasu | agreed...whitelist contains the same info.. | 13:47 |
| sadasu | it would deftly help to associate meta data with the VM instead of expecting the tenant to assign the correct image to the VM | 13:48 |
| heyongli | any thing related to host, should be a deploy problem, at least deploy involved in | 13:48 |
| sadasu | yes...even at deploy you are providing vendo_id, product_id | 13:49 |
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| heyongli | sadasu, sure, it help, current image meta data could not address vm's driver problem if we don't check that in PCI pass-through scope | 13:51 |
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| b3nt_pin | I'm kind of struggling with the "extract from vm" idea... what do we mean by that? | 13:52 |
| heyongli | b3nt_pin,where is the extract form vm idea? i'm lost here | 13:53 |
| * b3nt_pin goes back ... | 13:53 | |
| b3nt_pin | sorry.. heyongli I misinterpreted your previous statement | 13:53 |
| b3nt_pin | you said, "extract from image" not from VM | 13:53 |
| b3nt_pin | my bad | 13:53 |
| sadasu | I am a little worried if we are making the configuration very difficult | 13:54 |
| b3nt_pin | can you elaborate at which points you feel might be increasing the difficulty? | 13:54 |
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| heyongli | sadasu, not really difficult, which point difficult do you mean? | 13:55 |
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| sadasu | whitelist, image meta-data, sr-iov port modes, picking the correct ml2 driver on the neutron side :-) | 13:55 |
| sadasu | I get what is going on..I am looking at it from a tenant perspective | 13:55 |
| * b3nt_pin nods... | 13:56 | |
| b3nt_pin | are all of these essential for basic SR-IOV usage, or only required for finer and finer control? | 13:56 |
| heyongli | all of this could be done automatically, except the image meta-data, that's might be confuse now, but not very bad | 13:56 |
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| heyongli | i thinks it's finer control | 13:56 |
| b3nt_pin | yeah | 13:57 |
| sadasu | b3nt_pin: hard to say what is basic SR-IOV usage anymore :-)..every device/vendor is doing things slightly differently | 13:57 |
| b3nt_pin | lol | 13:57 |
| heyongli | cause OS admin could say, we had all these device, please pre install driver for your image... this is a simple solution here | 13:57 |
| baoli | heyongli, thinking about the same. | 13:59 |
| baoli | ok, we have to wrap it up today | 14:00 |
| heyongli | if we provide image constrain, it's also a good feature, | 14:00 |
| sadasu | ok...so my action item is to understand the image metadata feature better to see if that better suits the VM image driver dependency issue | 14:00 |
| baoli | thanks everyone | 14:00 |
| b3nt_pin | cheers all! | 14:00 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 14:00:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| heyongli | bye | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-15-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-15-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-04-15-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| rkukura | heyongli: I agree the usual solution will be for the cloud provide to include the necessary drivers in the images. But there will be the chance that some old images won’t have specific drivers, or possibly no driver is available for some OS | 14:00 |
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| sadasu | rkukura : +1 | 14:01 |
| heyongli | rkukura, sure, i like to have a image feature to pci, it's in my todo list already | 14:01 |
| heyongli | and, rkukura, thanks bring this up, i take it as a import use case to get image problem solution | 14:02 |
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| heyongli | let me got a bp there capture the ideas for further enhancement | 14:03 |
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| malini | #startmeeting Marconi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 15:00:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is malini. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| alcabrera | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:00 |
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| mpanetta | o/ | 15:00 |
| alcabrera | I thought I'd forget | 15:00 |
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| alcabrera | This dependent types paper is *too* good | 15:00 |
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| alcabrera | anywho | 15:00 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:00 |
| alcabrera | welcome, all! | 15:00 |
| sriram | >—o-> | 15:00 |
| malini | hello jchai! thanks for joining | 15:00 |
| * sriram jumps right in | 15:00 | |
| vkmc | Hi hi :) | 15:00 |
| malini | others get no gratitude :D | 15:00 |
| jchai | Hello | 15:00 |
| malini | hello vkmc | 15:00 |
| malini | anybody else here for Marconi? | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | jchai: hey! glad to have you join us. :D | 15:01 |
| alcabrera | vkmc: w00t! good to see you! | 15:01 |
| malini | jchai is working on adding tests in Tempest for Marconi | 15:01 |
| malini | Thank You jchai for your behind the scenes effort :) | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | awesome | 15:02 |
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| vkmc | Good to see you all :) | 15:02 |
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| malini | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda get to the agenda | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | yo yo yo | 15:02 |
| amitgandhi | o/ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:02 |
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| malini | hello amitgandhi | 15:03 |
| malini | First action items from last time | 15:03 |
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| Obulpathi | hi | 15:03 |
| malini | Obulpathi: hello | 15:03 |
| malini | ACTION: balajiiyer to get report on queue metadata usage by Rackspace customers | 15:03 |
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| malini | balajiiyer: did you see a lot of queue metadata usage ? | 15:04 |
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| balajiiyer | malini: no, not really. it was less than 1% in all datacenters | 15:04 |
| malini | hello flwang! | 15:04 |
| flwang | malini: Hey :D | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | flwang: 'sup buddy ? | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: that's interesting | 15:04 |
| flwang | flaper87: good, you? | 15:04 |
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| malini | balajiiyer: do you have any insights on how customers use the metadata? | 15:05 |
| alcabrera | #info queue metadata usage is < 1% @ Rackspace | 15:05 |
| balajiiyer | malini: I looked at some of them, didnt make much sense to me, probably test data. But I can send you a dump of metadata we have for analysis | 15:06 |
| Obulpathi | so, its <1% users or <1% queues? | 15:06 |
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| flwang | balajiiyer: did you mean most of the metadata are test/fake data? | 15:06 |
| flwang | Obulpathi: good question | 15:06 |
| Obulpathi | :) | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | yup | 15:07 |
| alcabrera | balajiiyer: can you clarify wrt to Obulpathi's question? | 15:07 |
| balajiiyer | flwang: the first set of data I poured my eyes on were test data. I can get you the dump for analysis | 15:07 |
| balajiiyer | Obulpathi: 1% of queues | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | I think what we need to figure out is: Would they freak out if the next version of the API doesn't have support for metadata? | 15:07 |
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| flwang | balajiiyer: cool, thanks | 15:07 |
| Obulpathi | ok | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | I'm not sure what 1% is in numbers but it's probably already worth an upgrade plan | 15:08 |
| Obulpathi | can we email the customers using them metadata? | 15:08 |
| balajiiyer | flaper87: got it. it might mean that we need to reach out to some of the customers to understand how they are using it and how it will impact them | 15:08 |
| alcabrera | #info clarification: 1% of all queues created @ Rackspace contain metadata | 15:09 |
| malini | yeap..the key question is will we break existing users | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: that would be awesome | 15:09 |
| Obulpathi | balaji: yep .. thet would be great | 15:09 |
| amitgandhi | megan_w: can help with reaching out to those customers | 15:09 |
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| malini | megan_w: can you take care of that plz? | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | also, FWIW, if in doubt, we can just provide the upgrade plan we talked last week | 15:09 |
| balajiiyer | create an action item, but megan_w told me once earlier that customers aren't really responsive, so we have to see how it goes | 15:10 |
| malini | we need more followup on this | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | it's not hard to do, it's very conservative and plays nice with user data | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | the feature will go away for sure, lets just make sure we don't blow user's data | 15:10 |
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| malini | #action: balajiiyer, megan_w to investigate customer impact when queue metadata support is removed | 15:11 |
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| malini | any more questions on this? | 15:11 |
| alcabrera | none from me | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | nope | 15:11 |
| Obulpathi | none from my side | 15:11 |
| malini | ok..moving on | 15:11 |
| malini | We dont have any other action items listed | 15:12 |
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| malini | But we need to track where we are on FAQ updates, ask | 15:12 |
| malini | Anybody has the FAQ etherpad link handy? | 15:12 |
| Obulpathi | also, any update on the status of the POP? | 15:12 |
| malini | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/draft-marconi-faq | 15:13 |
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| malini | I have not started on the test wiki, but will do tht this week | 15:13 |
| malini | #action: Malini to build a test wiki for Marconi | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | thanks, malini | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | re: the faq | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | Please, guys, lets finish that FAQ | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | I haven't investigated oslo.messaging yet | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | I think the sooner we start the discussion on the ML the better | 15:14 |
| malini | alcabrera: can you do it this week? | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | yup | 15:14 |
| alcabrera | actionize me! :) | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | that will give us enough time to iterate over the FAQ several times | 15:15 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: agreed | 15:15 |
| malini | #action: alcabrera to compare marconi with oslo.messaging | 15:15 |
| alcabrera | cool | 15:15 |
| malini | flaper87, flwang: do you have pending tasks for the FAQ? | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | malini: there are several open questions there | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | I tackled some of them today, I'll go through the remaining before the enxt week | 15:16 |
| malini | Can we assign folks to the open questions now? | 15:16 |
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| flwang | malini: nothing from me, but I'm available to be assigned something | 15:16 |
| Obulpathi | please assign one to me | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | I'd prefer folks to go there and add their names right next to the question | 15:17 |
| malini | flaper87: +1 | 15:17 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: feel free to pick whatever question you want to work on | 15:17 |
| malini | Lets do it before the end of meeting , so we can actionize them | 15:17 |
| malini | We'll come back to this towards the end of meeting, to add more actions | 15:17 |
| malini | Lets tackle the FAQ this week & create a similar plan for ask next week | 15:18 |
| malini | Anything else on this? | 15:18 |
| malini | moving on.. | 15:19 |
| malini | #topic: Split graduation list to smaller actionable chunks for each week | 15:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": Split graduation list to smaller actionable chunks for each week (Meeting topic: Marconi)" | 15:19 | |
| alcabrera | I'm a favorable towards this proposal | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | err | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | * I am | 15:19 |
| malini | the idea behind this is to make progress on our pending tasks at a steady pace | 15:19 |
| malini | we dont want to make a scramble towards the end | 15:19 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:20 |
| malini | ideally I would like the tempest/ gating tasks done before the summit | 15:20 |
| Obulpathi | +1 to malinis proposal | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | that would be lovely | 15:20 |
| alcabrera | and I think we can do it | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | malini: I agree. However, I think we are still not 100% sure what those tasks are. I mean, we know some of them for sure | 15:20 |
| malini | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-graduation-chunks | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | I think the summit is the best moment for us to brainstorm about this | 15:20 |
| malini | flaper87: good point..we still have a lot of cloudy areas | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | it's perfect because we'll *all* be there | 15:21 |
| malini | But we have some tasks we need to get done for sure | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | (Don't worry, I'll convince flwang to be there) | 15:21 |
| mpanetta | pun intended malini? | 15:21 |
| malini | you are the only one who got it mpanetta ;) | 15:21 |
| * flaper87 still doesn't get how the pun stuff work | 15:21 | |
| * amitgandhi i just sighed | 15:21 | |
| alcabrera | cloudy, cloudy | 15:21 |
| flwang | flaper87: haha | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | I can see the silver-lining, at least | 15:21 |
| malini | :D | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | :) | 15:22 |
| flwang | I'm still reviewing the list to pick one :D | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | ahhh, "cloudy areas" | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | got it | 15:22 |
| * flaper87 is so fucking slow | 15:22 | |
| alcabrera | :P | 15:22 |
| malini | flaper87: Can we start tackling the areas we know for sure? | 15:22 |
| malini | tht will leave us free to tackle any new stuff tht comes up | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | malini: absolutely, I was just about to say that | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | getting mongo up and running in the gate with Trusty out would be great | 15:22 |
| malini | awesome | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | since | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | so, pretty much everything related to new features is still "cloudy" | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | that's like | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | 3 days away | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | I think | 15:22 |
| mpanetta | hah | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | but things like tempest | 15:23 |
| malini | alcabrera: I dont know when infra will have Trusty, but I'll foloow up | 15:23 |
| alcabrera | malini: thanks! | 15:23 |
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| flaper87 | gate, devstack, etc have to be done | 15:23 |
| malini | #action: Malini to follow up on Trusty with openstack-infra | 15:23 |
| malini | flaper87: exactly | 15:23 |
| malini | Currently our biggest blocker is we still dont have marconi running on devstack | 15:23 |
| malini | This blocks horizon, tempest & making the jobs voting | 15:24 |
| malini | We have two bugs tht need to be fixed, to get around this | 15:24 |
| malini | (In addition to Trusty, which is not a blocker) | 15:24 |
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| flaper87 | well, marconi running on the gate | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | I think | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | mmg | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | ok, I kinda lost track there | 15:25 |
| malini | flaper87: thanks for the correction | 15:25 |
| * flaper87 trusts malini | 15:25 | |
| mpanetta | mmg the merciless | 15:25 |
| amitgandhi | this bug is fixed right: https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1287490 | 15:25 |
| malini | #info Marconi runs on devstack, but not on gate in devstack | 15:25 |
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| malini | amitgandhi: It came back | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | mpanetta: heh. :P | 15:25 |
| malini | amitgandhi: with this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1301268 | 15:26 |
| amitgandhi | ugh hate it when bugs dont squish right | 15:26 |
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| malini | amitgandhi: the original fix changed the server behavior, making it hard for devs | 15:26 |
| amitgandhi | yeh =/ | 15:26 |
| * flaper87 should really pay attention to what's going on in LP | 15:27 | |
| malini | anyways Can I get someone to volunteer on https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1287490 ? | 15:27 |
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| malini | We really need this fixed this week | 15:27 |
| malini | since it blocks a lot of upstream integration | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | now that malini has the powerz, I see more bugs assigned to me. NOt sure if it's related to that, though | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | It's low-hanging fruit, imo. This is a great one for new-comers. | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | :) | 15:27 |
| Obulpathi | I can do it | 15:27 |
| alcabrera | cool! | 15:27 |
| Obulpathi | Let me assing to myself | 15:27 |
| malini | Obulpathi: awesome..Let me assign tht to you | 15:28 |
| malini | Obulpathi: even better | 15:28 |
| Obulpathi | :) | 15:28 |
| malini | #action: Obulpathi to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1287490 | 15:28 |
| malini | Lets get this fixed this week..Nag everybody on openstack-marconi if you need help ;) | 15:28 |
| malini | the next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1294068 | 15:29 |
| malini | I am not so sure we want to fix this..but want to hear everybody's thoughts | 15:29 |
| malini | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1294068 | 15:29 |
| amitgandhi | i vote no if we arent going to support mysql | 15:29 |
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| amitgandhi | would rather focus energy around mongo and X | 15:29 |
| mpanetta | amitgandhi: +1 | 15:29 |
| amitgandhi | where X is redis or whatever | 15:30 |
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| flaper87 | malini: Is it *just* a mysql issue? | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | I know the bug report says mysql but I want to make sure | 15:30 |
| malini | flaper87: yes..sqlite runs fine | 15:30 |
| malini | on gate i.e | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | I'd say, lets not worry (prio low) about it now | 15:30 |
| flwang | malini: maybe we missed some mysql specific config | 15:30 |
| malini | I dont know why mysql does not work at the gate, but does outside | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: +1 | 15:30 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:30 |
| flaper87 | but saying we won't fix it sounds bad | 15:30 |
| alcabrera | I propose we drop sqla as a core platform once we have redis|amqp available | 15:31 |
| malini | flwang: do you want to take a look at this one? | 15:31 |
| amitgandhi | are we deprecation mysql? | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | especially because, although not recommended, we have support for it | 15:31 |
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| flaper87 | amitgandhi: not now, for sure | 15:31 |
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| flaper87 | probably in the not so far future | 15:31 |
| malini | flaper87: how far? before our next grad review? | 15:31 |
| flwang | malini: I can if it's targeted in Juno | 15:31 |
| alcabrera | dropping sqla, in particular, leads to easier installs (no longer require mysql_config to be installed) | 15:31 |
| amitgandhi | if its a low hanging fruit then just do it | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | malini: after, I'd say | 15:31 |
| amitgandhi | if its time and energy, then dont bother (my opinion) | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: does sqlalchemy require mysql_config? | 15:32 |
| mpanetta | alcabrera: +1 | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | that's weird | 15:32 |
| malini | flaper87: In that case, we need this fixed - since we'll be asked what backends are used in the gate | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | I mean, we *HAVE* to remove python-mysql form the requirements *before* the graduation | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | that's been my experience so far, flaper87. :/ | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | or | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | hmm | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | which is the dep requiring mysql_config | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | maybe it's python-mysql | 15:32 |
| alcabrera | yes, that | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | #action flaper87 remove python-mysql dependency | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | +7.25 | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: waaa??? Why so low ? | 15:33 |
| Obulpathi | +2.5 | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: <3 | 15:33 |
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| Obulpathi | :) | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | who gives me the remaining .25 ? | 15:33 |
| alcabrera | triple core, 1 regular, and a quarter to go | 15:33 |
| malini | #action: flwang to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1294068 for Juno | 15:33 |
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| mpanetta | +0.25 :P | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | mpanetta: <3 <3 | 15:33 |
| Obulpathi | I din't do my math right :( | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:34 |
| malini | Other items in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-graduation-chunks | 15:34 |
| flaper87 | Obulpathi: still <3 | 15:34 |
| malini | Item # 2 is blocked by #1 | 15:34 |
| malini | So lets get 1.1 fixed this week | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | so devstack really needs a fix | 15:34 |
| malini | alcabrera: yes | 15:34 |
| Obulpathi | got it | 15:34 |
| malini | Tempest Updates | 15:35 |
| Obulpathi | will push it to my top priority | 15:35 |
| malini | jchai: want to update on API tempest tests? | 15:35 |
| jchai | Just getting started | 15:35 |
| jchai | I should be able to submit something later in the week | 15:36 |
| malini | jchai: do you think you can get the queues API tests patch submitted this week? | 15:36 |
| malini | Tht will be poistive tests for 5 more APIs | 15:36 |
| jchai | I think so, yes | 15:36 |
| malini | #action: jchai to work on Queues API +ve tests | 15:37 |
| malini | #action: Malini to work on adding CLI tests | 15:37 |
| malini | ok..moving on | 15:37 |
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| malini | #topic: Meeting with TC to discuss graduation | 15:37 |
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| malini | We need to get into the TC schedule again | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | couple of thoughts there | 15:38 |
| malini | flaper87: sure..this is all yours | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | 1) We need to have the FAQ ready and more marketing-like docs written | 15:38 |
| flaper87 | 2) We should probably do it after the summit and participate in the cross-project sessions | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | 3) I think we should also have the tasks sorted out | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | with that plan, we can request a TC meeting to discuss what's expected from us | 15:39 |
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| alcabrera | +1; +1; +1; | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | also, we need more than 1 meeting | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | agreed | 15:39 |
| malini | flaper87: what are specific actions that we need to do between now & the summit? | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | for instance, we need to discuss the whole falcon + pecan thing, one more time | 15:39 |
| alcabrera | we need to be regulars to have our voices heard | 15:39 |
| flaper87 | malini: FAQ and docs | 15:40 |
| malini | we addressed the FAQ | 15:40 |
| malini | What do we need for the docs? | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | also, gather more info about our take on pecan, benefits and downsides | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | balajiiyer: did an amazing work | 15:40 |
| flwang | flaper87: what's the mean of "participate in the cross-project sessions" | 15:40 |
| flaper87 | but again, the summit is *THE* right moment to reach to the community | 15:40 |
| amitgandhi | we need to be more active on ask (post questions as well as answers) | 15:40 |
| malini | flwang: http://summit.openstack.org/ has cross project sessions | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | we need to talk to the guys working on pecan, we need to talk to the TC members again and to everyone in the community | 15:41 |
| malini | flaper87: +1 | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | we need to ask for feedback on our current, high-level plan | 15:41 |
| flaper87 | etc | 15:41 |
| malini | I think we are in the right direction & have the right ideas | 15:41 |
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| flaper87 | so, between now and the summit, I think we should focus on building the missing FAQ and doc foundations for Marconi | 15:41 |
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| flaper87 | malini: +1 | 15:42 |
| malini | But we are still missing a solid list of stuff that we will do to accomplish these | 15:42 |
| malini | flaper87: Can you detail the doc foundations? what can we do to get it done? | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | sure | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | so, besides the FAQ | 15:42 |
| malini | It will be ideal if it ends with #actions ;) | 15:42 |
| flaper87 | I think we need to document our architecture a bit better | 15:43 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | it's not clear for people what marconi looks like | 15:43 |
| mpanetta | A series of cheese laden tubes? | 15:43 |
| flaper87 | we need to document what we mean with scaling marconi horizontally and what *sharding* means in MArconi's context | 15:43 |
| amitgandhi | maybe obul can do that while he learns it? | 15:43 |
| Obulpathi | sure .. I can document that | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | we need to document better what transports are or simply *stop* talking about them until we add another transport | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | etc | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | all this besides the FAQ | 15:44 |
| malini | #action: Obulpathi to document Marconi architecture | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | Once that's done, we should then invite folks to read them | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | and then chase them down at the summit | 15:44 |
| malini | mpanetta: Can you or oz do the 'document what we mean with scaling marconi horizontally and what *sharding* means in MArconi's context' ? | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | sounds like a problem tackled in multiple directions -- e.g., defining marconi | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | to get feedback | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | docs, blogs, articles | 15:44 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: yeah | 15:45 |
| mpanetta | malini: Hmm, didn't Oz already do a doc, does it not include that? | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | Our biggest problem in our graduation attempt was that basically no one knew what marconi looks like | 15:45 |
| flaper87 | not even the TC | 15:45 |
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| mpanetta | I almost wish it was not called sharding, I always get confused between marconi and mongodb 'sharding' | 15:46 |
| malini | mpanetta: I dont think we talked with the focus on scaling | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | not until after we withdrew our graduation request | 15:46 |
| amitgandhi | or what marconi was ;-) | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | mpanetta: it is sharding after all :P | 15:46 |
| malini | hmm..even if we create all the docs, will anybody outside of us read that? | 15:46 |
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| flaper87 | mpanetta: but I agree | 15:46 |
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| malini | If creating awareness is our goal... | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | malini: we don't know that but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have them | 15:46 |
| malini | I think we can tie this in with our next topic | 15:46 |
| flaper87 | malini: our goal is to clear all those points among ourselves too | 15:46 |
| malini | flaper87: good point | 15:47 |
| Obulpathi | +1 | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | for isntance, we know we want to graduate but we don't have a detailed list of how we benefit from graduating | 15:47 |
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| flaper87 | we need to have that too | 15:47 |
| malini | does everybody agree on stopping the talk about transport, till we have something other than http? | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | this will help the project and the community | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | malini: agreed | 15:47 |
| amitgandhi | malini: +1 | 15:47 |
| flaper87 | (note I meant stop talking about it, not stop working on it) | 15:48 |
| malini | tht is easier than creating a new document ;) | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | there's some work Cindy is doing that is worth moving forward | 15:48 |
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| flaper87 | that said, I agree | 15:48 |
| amitgandhi | if the focus is on another storage then we dont need to keep talking about transports | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | yeah | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | we're 2 weeks away from the summit | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | (maybe 3) | 15:48 |
| malini | cool.Lets have a new transport that really works, & then lets start talking abt it | 15:48 |
| sriram | +1 | 15:48 |
| flaper87 | so, I think it is worth dedicating the upcoming weeks to writing docs instead of code | 15:49 |
| malini | Guess its time to move on to the next topic | 15:49 |
| malini | flaper87: +1 | 15:49 |
| * amitgandhi dusts of microsoft word | 15:49 | |
| mpanetta | argh 2 weeks... If we are going to do the marconi cluster thing I need to find something else to run it on... | 15:49 |
| mpanetta | Someone bought all the wandboards heh | 15:49 |
| malini | can we move on to the next topic? | 15:49 |
| * flaper87 STFU | 15:49 | |
| alcabrera | malini: yes | 15:49 |
| mpanetta | yes | 15:49 |
| malini | #topic ATL summit | 15:49 |
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| malini | mpanetta is eager to talk abt wandboards | 15:50 |
| malini | So lets hear that first :) | 15:50 |
| * amitgandhi 10 minute warning | 15:50 | |
| flaper87 | amitgandhi: +1 | 15:50 |
| malini | thanks amitgandhi | 15:50 |
| flwang | can we add these docs into source code under /doc? | 15:50 |
| mpanetta | Well, someone purchased them all and they have a 6 week lead time, so we have to find another platform. | 15:50 |
| malini | flwang: +1 | 15:50 |
| mpanetta | If we really want to do this (I think it would be a way to get people looking at it anyway) | 15:51 |
| malini | mpanetta: its your territory, you get to choose - unless somebody else has other ideas | 15:51 |
| malini | mpanetta: I hope you are still typing :) | 15:52 |
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| mpanetta | I'm looking | 15:52 |
| mpanetta | but nothing is as cheap :( | 15:52 |
| mpanetta | I am always open to suggestions :) | 15:52 |
| malini | #action: mpanetta to investigate wandboard cluster alternatives | 15:52 |
| mpanetta | Cool :) | 15:53 |
| malini | #topic •'Marconi-Meet the team' dinner | 15:53 |
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| malini | this was kgriffs|afk idea | 15:53 |
| amitgandhi | note - atl hack day in next thur/fri ( flaper87, flwang are free to join us ) | 15:53 |
| alcabrera | w00t | 15:53 |
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| malini | amitgandhi: good point..tht wud be awesome | 15:53 |
| flwang | amitgandhi: how to join? | 15:54 |
| flwang | amitgandhi: is it f2f? or online? or.... | 15:54 |
| malini | flwang, amitgandhi: Lets discuss this in #openstack-marconi | 15:54 |
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| flwang | malini: sure | 15:54 |
| malini | We are almost out of time | 15:54 |
| amitgandhi | physically you can fly to the Rackspace Atlanta office ;-) else we can hangout in the #marconi channel | 15:54 |
| alcabrera | +1 for continuing discussion on hackday in #marconi | 15:55 |
| malini | kgriffs|afk had the idea of a Meet the team dinner during the summit | 15:55 |
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| * amitgandhi stfu | 15:55 | |
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| flwang | amitgandhi: send me the air tickets, please | 15:55 |
| malini | It'll be cool if we can get some of the interested parties from other projects there | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | meet the team dinner would be lovely | 15:55 |
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| * flaper87 wants to meet everyone on saturday | 15:55 | |
| alcabrera | yes! | 15:55 |
| malini | hmm.. | 15:55 |
| flwang | malini: yep, it's targeted on 10 IIRC | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | that is May 10th | 15:55 |
| alcabrera | I'll mark my calendat | 15:56 |
| malini | I believe this is going to be us + everybody else in openstack | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | *calendar | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | so I *might* remember, :P | 15:56 |
| flwang | flaper87: I'm not sure if I can make it :( | 15:56 |
| flaper87 | flwang: :( | 15:56 |
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| flwang | flaper87: given the moving, you know | 15:56 |
| Obulpathi | I wil join on saturday | 15:56 |
| malini | I believe we are talking abt diff dinners :D | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | flwang: dang, that's right. you'll be missed. :( | 15:57 |
| malini | We probably need a hanging out internally + hanging out with prospective Marconi users | 15:57 |
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| mpanetta | yes | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | malini: increasing inclusivity is always a plus | 15:57 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: +1 | 15:57 |
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| flwang | alcabrera: yep, bad | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | I'll see if GSoC students can make it out as well | 15:57 |
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| flaper87 | I don't mind if other people join as long as you all are there <3 | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | *GSoC/OPW | 15:58 |
| flaper87 | <3 <3 <# | 15:58 |
| malini | awesome | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | <3 | 15:58 |
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| malini | If there are folks you can reach out personally to invite, please do | 15:58 |
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| malini | remember we are looking for prospective customers too :) | 15:58 |
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| alcabrera | 1m -- final thoughts? | 15:59 |
| malini | #action: everybody to create a list of prospective dinner invitees | 15:59 |
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| malini | I guess tht ends our meeting | 15:59 |
| * flaper87 invites the marconi team | 15:59 | |
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| flaper87 | w000t | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | haha | 15:59 |
| amitgandhi | we have to do this at marconi grill | 15:59 |
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| malini | Lets continue on #openstack-marconi | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | is there a marconi grill ? | 15:59 |
| malini | Thanks everyone!! | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | O.O | 15:59 |
| flaper87 | malini: thank you | 15:59 |
| malini | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 15:59:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-15-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | I'll gather minutes | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-15-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-04-15-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 16:00:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2014-04-15_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| roshanagr1 | Roshan Agrawal | 16:00 |
| tomblank | tom blankenship | 16:00 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 16:00 |
| julienvey_ | Julien Vey | 16:00 |
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| stannie | Pierre Padrixe | 16:00 |
| coolsvap | Swapnil | 16:00 |
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| paulmo | Paul Montgomery | 16:01 |
| muralia | murali | 16:01 |
| aratim | Arati Mahimane | 16:01 |
| paulczar | Paul Czarkowski! | 16:01 |
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| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | Welcome everyone. Anyone else is welcome to chime in at any time to be recorded in the meeting attendance. | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | New Alternating Meeting Time Vote - Vote Pending | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Proposed_Alternate_Meeting_Time | 16:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://doodle.com/yma2pppk2nhwwgc8 Vote Here | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | please take a moment to visit the doodle poll, and register your input | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | you can use the (Yes) voting option to indicate that you could attend at the indicated time, but that you would rather not | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | keep in mind that the whole point in alternating the meeting time is to make it possible for others to attend who are alseep at this time | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hi rajdeep | 16:04 |
| rajdeep | hi adrian | 16:05 |
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| james_li | James Li | 16:05 |
| devkulkarni | welcome james_li | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | hi james_li | 16:05 |
| gokrokve | Georgy Okrokvertskhov o/ | 16:05 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: when does the vote close? | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: as soon as I have heard from all known contributors who reside outside the US | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | I plan to consider input from core contributors highest | 16:07 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: got it | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | I should say core reviewers | 16:07 |
| rajdeep | can you share the voting link again? | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#link http://doodle.com/yma2pppk2nhwwgc8 Vote Here | 16:08 |
| devkulkarni | looks like there is not a time that is convenient for all three (Banglore, Brisbane, Paris) | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | that was a funny cut/paste | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: exactly | 16:08 |
| devkulkarni | I am looking here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | on the Meetings wiki page I put smileys | 16:08 |
| datsun180b | I'm still not clear about what my vote means for this poll | 16:09 |
| devkulkarni | yep!! thanks for that. it helped | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | but as discussed before there is no time that will work for everyone | 16:09 |
| julienvey | it's OK for us if we can attend at least one out of 2 meetings | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | julienvey: also I recognize that you and Pierre are pretty reachable in #solum during the US business day | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | so we can probably keep you updated on those alternating weeks of key items of interest | 16:10 |
| stannie | yes that will be fine for us to assist at least to one of the meeting | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | plus we will have the meeting logs | 16:10 |
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| julienvey | it would be great to have Angus participate in the other one :) | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | exactly | 16:11 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: all our votes can help in deciding the times that is convenient to those who cannot attend this one. if you plan to attend meeting other than this one then you can vote the time that is convenient for you.. | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to close the voting on the New Alternating Meeting Time Vote, and send the results to the ML | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | so, if you reside in the US, and you will NOT attend the alternating week meeting time regularly, then please vote No on the proposed meeting itme | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | I will take that into consideration when selecting | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, next topic | 16:14 |
| datsun180b | Understood | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:14 |
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| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to propose a vote for a new meeting time for our ever-other-meeting schedule. [complete] | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | adrian_otto to follow up with paulmo to determine if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging should be marked as Implemented [complete] | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | we will be re-scoping the remaining items in new bug/BP to be carried forward, and closing this blueprint | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | ooh, I forgot one thing about announcments | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | do any team members have other announcements they would like to share? | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next... | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Environments | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | at our meeting in Raleigh, NC we discussed the concept of Environments | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | these are abstract resources that can carry certain attributes that control how a deployment will happen | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | for example, who has access to the environment, which networks it contains, etc. | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | those attributes can be inherited by the resources that become associated with the Environment resource | 16:18 |
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| devkulkarni | I saw roshanagr's email and julien_vey"s comments on it. I have few comments/questions | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | this concept may be useful within Solum, but may be more widely useful beyond Solum simply as a generic OpenStack resource | 16:19 |
| roshanagr1 | I documented an inital set of use cases to frame the discussion: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/Environments | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr1: excellent! | 16:19 |
| roshanagr1 | Not intending for us to review and ratify the use cases, instead to have enough shared context so that we can start discussing with the following 2 goals in mind: | 16:19 |
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| roshanagr1 | 1. Identify the openstack projects the Environment feature is dependent on, and surface that dependency with the corresponding project teams in the Atlanta summit | 16:19 |
| devkulkarni | roshanagr1: in the email you mentioned something about 'who should own this piece'. could you elaborate more on it? | 16:19 |
| roshanagr1 | 2. Develop a POV on which program the Environments feature should live under [Solum, Heat, or elsewhere] | 16:19 |
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| roshanagr1 | @devkulkarni: that is goal 2 | 16:20 |
| roshanagr1 | should it live within Solum. or Heat, or elsewhere | 16:20 |
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| rajdeep | i had one question on policy | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | that assumes the view that an environment is a heat stack | 16:21 |
| devkulkarni | which I don't think we have really agreed to | 16:21 |
| rajdeep | where does the policy related to publishing to different environment lives? | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: I do not view an Environment as a feature of a stack | 16:21 |
| roshanagr1 | @devkulkarni: we haven't agreed to anything yet | 16:21 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: there is a wiki page with a more technical point of view about what is an environment https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/ApiModel | 16:21 |
| roshanagr1 | @rajdeep: don't know, TBD, probably keystone? | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: excellent question. For policies to work, each service within OpenStack wold need to be extended to support Environments. | 16:22 |
| rajdeep | hmm -- i am not sure keystone supports that | 16:22 |
| tomblank | roshanagr1: regarding goal 2. Is it to create our program POV on what features are needed in existing OpenStack projects in order to support our program vision of enabling application developers and operators to easily support enviornments? | 16:22 |
| paulczar | to me an environment is a logical construct that provides hints/rules to Solum on where stacks can be placed | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | so even if there is a nice clean way to express, store, and list policies, each service will need to respect them | 16:22 |
| rajdeep | we are working on a policy framework called | 16:22 |
| rajdeep | openstack congress | 16:23 |
| roshanagr1 | @tomblank: yes | 16:23 |
| rajdeep | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Congress | 16:23 |
| tomblank | roshanagr1: thanks... | 16:24 |
| rajdeep | there is a DSL being written to define policies | 16:24 |
| julienvey | rajdeep: good to know :) | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | rajdeep: thanks for sharing that with us. We should look at each concept to see where Stackers could work together. | 16:24 |
| roshanagr1 | @rajdeep: seems very relevant to this discussion. thanks! | 16:24 |
| devkulkarni | rajdeep: who enforces these policies? | 16:25 |
| roshanagr1 | Environments feature will have a sependency on Keystone | 16:25 |
| julienvey | I tend to agree with paulczar's vision, which is kind of what Angus described in his wiki | 16:25 |
| rajdeep | thanks -- | 16:25 |
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| roshanagr1 | And Horizon | 16:26 |
| roshanagr1 | Probably Heat | 16:26 |
| rajdeep | this policy can be enforced reactively or proactively | 16:26 |
| rajdeep | depending on the use case | 16:26 |
| rajdeep | in this case it could be proactive enforcement that flags voilations upfront | 16:26 |
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| stannie | in the wiki, does "lifecycle" means that we will use Environment as "promoted build" ? | 16:27 |
| roshanagr1 | lifecycle means an app can progress from Dev- >Test- >Prod | 16:27 |
| roshanagr1 | and a set of policy to manage that | 16:27 |
| julienvey | stannie: That's how I see it | 16:28 |
| stannie | when you push your app, it will be first available in Dev environment, then if we choose to promote the build, then it will be in Test, Staging, Prod etc | 16:28 |
| stannie | yep | 16:28 |
| devkulkarni | yes | 16:28 |
| roshanagr1 | stannie: yes | 16:28 |
| stannie | however there should be a way to deploy in production, in case if you fix a security bug or whatever | 16:28 |
| roshanagr1 | stannie: good point. | 16:28 |
| roshanagr1 | So there would be a default policy | 16:28 |
| roshanagr1 | and a way to override it | 16:29 |
| paulczar | stannie: would we not allow the developer to have their own workflow policy? | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | stannie: I imagine we can have an attribute in the Plan file that determines the target environment for a given assembly | 16:29 |
| paulczar | some of us enjoy doing dev/test in production :D | 16:29 |
| devkulkarni | stannie: yes, we should have a way to do manual deploys/promotes as well. In https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Solum/ApiModel we have identified it | 16:29 |
| stannie | ok | 16:29 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: about that .. how do you envision plan file concept evolving to support environments? | 16:30 |
| paulczar | I would imagine that will all become part of the workflow stuff … once we determin if that belongs in Solum or somewhere else in the Program | 16:30 |
| julienvey | stannie: there is some discussion here also about lifecycles, artifacts, and DU https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84434/ | 16:31 |
| stannie | ow, thank you julienvey | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni: a single plan refers to one environment. A workflow could just use that one, or could be configured to advance over a number of Environments in the coarse of following a flow. | 16:31 |
| paulczar | devkulkarni: for a simple app … you might have a plan that matches all your environments, for a complex app you'd probably have a plan for each environment. | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | plans will *not* express workflows | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | we will have another approach for defining them | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | to begin with, we will have a few default workflows, and you can just ask for one by name | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | and later we can determine the best way to allow for detailed control to redefine custom flows. | 16:33 |
| devkulkarni | so plan would essentially define: code/artificat and required resources, and we would have a separate thing to define workflows | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | yes | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | as both don't really belong in the same artifact | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | we tried that and it got exceedingly comlex | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | complex | 16:34 |
| roshanagr1 | adrian_otto: should we consider decoupling environment from the plan file itself, so that the same plan file can be used to deploy to multiple environments? | 16:34 |
| rajdeep | i think trying to get into workflows will deviate us from the core use case | 16:34 |
| rajdeep | we should just add hooks for workflow engines to be plugged in | 16:35 |
| devkulkarni | yep, makes sense. then the question would be what could be used to define the workflows. some thoughts that asalkeld and I had discussed were zuul, mistral, jenkins. | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr1: perhaps. Are you thinking that it would be cast as a parameter? | 16:35 |
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| roshanagr1 | @adrian_otto: possibly | 16:35 |
| roshanagr1 | if I push my code+plan file from branch 1, deploy to dev | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | I suppose we could sue a parameter, with a default value | 16:36 |
| roshanagr1 | if push from branch 2, deploy to test | 16:36 |
| roshanagr1 | yes | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | s/sue/use/ my fingers are not working well this morning | 16:36 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni: Jenkins has its own "Promotion" plugin. I think mistral would be a good option but we should investigate | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's determine what we will do next with Environments | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | should we form a working group for it? | 16:37 |
| julienvey | roshanagr1: that's not a very common git workflow | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | does it make sense to do that now, or start in Atlanta? | 16:37 |
| tomblank | adrian_otto: +1 on working group | 16:37 |
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| julienvey | +1, we can start now I think | 16:38 |
| tomblank | i would suggest we start now | 16:38 |
| roshanagr1 | +1 for working group. | 16:38 |
| roshanagr1 | we need to have a POV before going to the Atlanta summit | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok, do we have a volunteer to chair the working group? | 16:38 |
| roshanagr1 | I can do that | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr1: thanks | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | I will assign you an AI to schedule a series of meetings to get further input from contributors | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | sound ok? | 16:39 |
| roshanagr1 | yes | 16:39 |
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| julienvey | roshanagr1: agree that a POV would be good to have | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #action roshanagr1 to propose a working group, and schedule a recurring series to get input from contributors, and iterate on a plan for adding Environments as a feature to Solum and/or OpenStack | 16:40 |
| roshanagr1 | please let me know who all would want to be part of the working group and I will setup a doodle poll | 16:40 |
| devkulkarni1 | roshanagr1: count me in | 16:40 |
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| julienvey | roshanagr1: count me in too | 16:40 |
| tomblank | me too... | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | roshanagr1: I will attend | 16:40 |
| rajdeep | count me in too | 16:40 |
| roshanagr1 | thanks, will do. | 16:40 |
| rajdeep | if time is suitable | 16:41 |
| tomblank | and while i don't want to speak for him, i believe Angus will want to attend | 16:41 |
| roshanagr1 | tomblank: yes | 16:41 |
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| devkulkarni1 | yep. I would say lets speak for him and count him in too :D | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | looks like a healthy number of Stackers, I suggest a doodle poll to schedule it, as we did with previous working groups. | 16:41 |
| roshanagr1 | @adrian_otto: I will setup the doodle poll | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I want to only spend a few minutes on the next tipic | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Mission Statement Review | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | has everyone had a chance to submit their thoughts in the etherpad? | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-mission Mission Drafts | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | if not, please take some time to get your thoughts in there | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like to focus us into a vote for next meeting | 16:42 |
| adrian_otto | anyone think we need more discussion sessions? | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | minor clarification/point | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | It's time to move from etherpad to wiki | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | the etherpad link says 'solum-mission' but we are discussing program mission | 16:43 |
| devkulkarni1 | right? | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | we will have two missions | 16:43 |
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| adrian_otto | one for a program that covers an overall goal that may touch numerous projects | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | and another that focuses on project Solum to fit a more narrow set of ambitions | 16:44 |
| roshanagr1 | We also need to choose a name for the Program | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | another way to think of it is a Vision statement (for a Program) | 16:44 |
| devkulkarni1 | when do we draw the line? do we go to Atlanta with both the statements? | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | and a Mission Statement (for a Project) | 16:45 |
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| adrian_otto | I expect in Atlanta we will decide when it makes sense to propose an OpenStack program | 16:45 |
| devkulkarni1 | ok | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | one possibility is I can take our mission, and complete an applciation | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | and we can iterate on that when we regroup in Atlanta in May | 16:46 |
| devkulkarni1 | application for program you mean? | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | another possibility is we can start looking at this each week until then, refining it further | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | devananda: yes, for a program | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | that's the more important initiative, I think | 16:47 |
| adrian_otto | as multiple projects may form under that | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | there is also a chance that some existing efforts that don't fit nicely under any existing program might prefer this one to being out in the ether | 16:47 |
| devkulkarni1 | my vote will be to complete the application with what we have (which has shaped up great, I feel) | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | ok | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Blueprints: https://launchpad.net/solum/+milestone/milestone-1 | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/deploy-workflow Workflow outlining deployment of a DU (asalkeld/devdatta-kulkarni) | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | should this be marked as Implemented? | 16:50 |
| julienvey | adrian_otto: yes | 16:51 |
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| devkulkarni1 | yes. datsun180b has the latest. | 16:51 |
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| datsun180b | considering we've been successfully deploying our ghost and ex1 apps for a while i say stick a fork in it | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | it's already marked accordingly | 16:51 |
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| datsun180b | well there you go | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to drop https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/deploy-workflow from the weekly agenda | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/solum-git-pull Pull integration of Solum from an external Git repo (kraman) | 16:52 |
| paulczar | it's nonfunctional in master … but the workflow is complete | 16:52 |
| aratim | This one is nearing completion. Code is in place and functional tests are working. I am just doing the end to end testing now. | 16:52 |
| devkulkarni1 | +1 aratim | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | This one is marked as Implemented | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | should we keep it on the weekly agenda? | 16:53 |
| devkulkarni1 | I would say, yes. at least for next week | 16:53 |
| aratim | I think so. We can remove it next week | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next... | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/solum/+spec/logging Logging Architecture (paulmo) | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | paulmo: as we mentioned earlier there are items in there that are out of scope | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | so I'd like to identify each and move them to tasks (wishlist bug), defects (bug) or another BP | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | we can work together on that, right? | 16:54 |
| paulmo | Ok | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | anything you'd like input on from the team? | 16:55 |
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| paulmo | Nope, I'm good. | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | thanks! | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| devkulkarni1 | btw, in launchpad is there a way to filter bugs based on tags? how do we find all bugs which are for m1? | 16:55 |
| devkulkarni1 | or m2, etc. | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: I am working on that | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni1 | okay. | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | there is a way to view bugs in LP that belong to a milestone | 16:56 |
| julienvey | devkulkarni1: for tags, you have a clickable list on the right side of the bug list | 16:56 |
| devkulkarni1 | yeah, that will help | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | and I am in the process of iterating the list, and getting each assigned to a milestone, or leaving them in the wishlist backlog. | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | you can click on them on the right column, just like tags work | 16:57 |
| devkulkarni1 | julienvey: okay. will try it. | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | and see a view by milestone | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | so that should start to get much more clear over the next couple of days | 16:57 |
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| devkulkarni1 | +1 | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | for those seeking work in the mean time, look for bugs marked as "High" or "Medium" | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | and work through those. | 16:58 |
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| adrian_otto | top priority is to solve defects | 16:58 |
| paulczar | just want to touch on how important we place on using docker driver. It's currently not functional in master due to some recent merges and I have a few reviews up to get it working again … but there's some conficts with other features … for example Neutron vs Docker | 16:58 |
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| devkulkarni1 | did we manage to get a presentation slot in Atlanta? | 16:59 |
| paulczar | so want to know if I should drop those reviews … or keep working on them | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | devkulkarni1: not yet, but we applied for this: https://www.openstack.org/blog/2014/03/call-for-proposals-open-source-openstack-summit/ | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | we are awaiting a reply. | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | I will also propose a vbrownbag session for a demo | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni1 | paulczar: Nuetron client code merged in solum you mean? | 17:00 |
| julienvey | paulczar: for the heat template, I think you should create a new template, and use this one when solum is configured with docker | 17:00 |
| julienvey | paulczar: and stick with the actual one when using qcow2 | 17:00 |
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| devkulkarni1 | adrian_otto: thanks for the link | 17:00 |
| paulczar | julienvey: that's what I did with the review … I reverted basic heat template and added a neutron one with the neutron features | 17:00 |
| paulczar | given the strong backing for making docker default method at the summit … I thought it made most sense for doing it that way | 17:01 |
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| adrian_otto | thakns everyone | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni1 | so we keep it then is what you are suggesting.. +1 | 17:02 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 17:02:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-15-16.00.html | 17:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-15-16.00.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2014/solum_team_meeting.2014-04-15-16.00.log.html | 17:02 |
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| ruhe | it's time for Murano meeting | 17:03 |
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| ruhe | #startmeeting murano | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 17:03:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruhe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:03 |
| tsufiev | hi there | 17:03 |
| ruhe | i'll copy the first topic from Solum meeting :) | 17:04 |
| ruhe | #topic Roll Call | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:04 | |
| sjmc7 | hi guys | 17:04 |
| * ruhe is ruslan kamaldinov | 17:04 | |
| btully | howdy | 17:04 |
| * btully is NOT a cowboy ;) | 17:04 | |
| katyafervent2 | Hi! | 17:05 |
| akuznetsova_ | hello) | 17:05 |
| tsufiev | i see a lot of new people this time :) | 17:05 |
| ruhe | all right. i hope the rest of murano folk will join soon | 17:05 |
| ruhe | #topic Action Items Review | 17:05 |
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| ruhe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-08-17.02.txt | 17:06 |
| ruhe | first AI is: gokrokve update status on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/api-request-stats | 17:06 |
| gokrokve | Heh. I did not do this. | 17:07 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: it's a good time to do it right now ;) | 17:07 |
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| gokrokve | Will do this. Sure. | 17:07 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: thanks | 17:07 |
| ruhe | the next AI is: ruhe to move events BPs to the next release | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | and i did that | 17:07 |
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| ruhe | #info moved events BPs to the next release | 17:08 |
| ruhe | the next one is: sergmelikyan don't forget about and schedule a bug scrub day | 17:08 |
| ruhe | looks like sergmelikyan and me didn't do it. but we really wanted to | 17:08 |
| ruhe | it's the release time and a lot of work, you know | 17:08 |
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| ruhe | sergmelikyan: you here? | 17:09 |
| ruhe | ok. i promise we will run bug scrub ASAP | 17:09 |
| ruhe | #action sergmelikyan don't forget about and schedule a bug scrub day | 17:10 |
| ruhe | the next AI is: tsufiev mark all UI-related BPs targeted on 0.5 as complete | 17:10 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: some of your BPs are still "good progress" | 17:10 |
| tsufiev | hm... | 17:10 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: i would expect them to be "beta available" or "implemented" | 17:10 |
| ruhe | #link https://launchpad.net/murano/+milestone/0.5 | 17:10 |
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| tsufiev | we still have categories in 2 places - can it be considered completed? | 17:11 |
| tsufiev | marking them as beta... | 17:11 |
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| akuznetsova_ | btw, i started to work with our bugs today, but there are a lot of bugs those are unassaigned and don't have a milestone | 17:11 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: yes, beta is more appropriate for the current status of Murano UI | 17:11 |
| tsufiev | ruhe: done | 17:12 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: thank you | 17:12 |
| tsufiev | all is 'Implemented' or 'Beta...' | 17:12 |
| katyafervent2 | because I have no rights to assign milestones anymore. Is it ok?) who should do it? | 17:12 |
| ruhe | akuznetsova_: i guess it relates to our plan to run bug scrub day. but meanwhile you can process the bug list and use #murano to collect feedback on the bugs, wether they should be targeted for 0.5 or not | 17:13 |
| dteselkin | Hi | 17:13 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: core team should manage milestones | 17:13 |
| akuznetsova_ | ruhe: ok, i'll do it tomorrow | 17:13 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: you can always force them to take care of important bugs and BPs | 17:13 |
| ruhe | :) | 17:14 |
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| ruhe | ok | 17:14 |
| ruhe | next AI is: xwizard_ add more tests for catalog API | 17:14 |
| ruhe | akuznetsova_: i guess you can give us an update on tests for catalog API | 17:14 |
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| ruhe | btw | 17:14 |
| katyafervent2 | Sergey M did extend tests but I'm not sure if his commit was merged or no | 17:15 |
| ruhe | #info all UI-related BPs targeted on 0.5 are in "implemented" or "beta available" state | 17:15 |
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| katyafervent2 | let's say we did that for a smoke tests | 17:15 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: do we need more test coverage in tempest? | 17:15 |
| tsufiev | katyafervent2: Me or Mu :)? | 17:15 |
| katyafervent2 | Mu :) | 17:15 |
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| akuznetsova_ | yes, Sergey Mu wrote more tests for application catalog ang work with package | 17:16 |
| ruhe | #info sergey murashov added smoke tests for catalog API. we expect more tests to arrive | 17:16 |
| ruhe | that's all about action items | 17:17 |
| tsufiev | akuznetsova_: what's about writing more tests for CentOS & Django 1.4? | 17:17 |
| akuznetsova_ | tsufiev: do we need more special tests for that? | 17:17 |
| ruhe | before we jump to the next topic "Release Status" i'd like folks to give a chance to propose additional topics | 17:17 |
| tsufiev | akuznetsova_: we need to run the same tests as for ubuntu & django 1.5 - because they can behave differently | 17:18 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe: i'd like to ask gokrokve about UI... is it right time now? | 17:19 |
| gokrokve | What is the question? | 17:19 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: go ahead | 17:19 |
| akuznetsova_ | tsufiev: ok, we will create new Jenkins Jobs with Centos as soon as our 'new' murano-ci will be done | 17:20 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: btully: JFYI you can propose a topic for the weekly meeting if you have something major to discuss. there are two options - update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda before the meeting or propose topic when the meeting starts | 17:20 |
| tsufiev | gokrokve: current UI have 2 category selectors: first as drop-down list, second in right sliding side-bar. will it remain in release? | 17:20 |
| tsufiev | i found this a bit confusing | 17:20 |
| sjmc7 | thanks ruhe - just lurking for now | 17:20 |
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| tsufiev | gokrokve: are you with us? | 17:23 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev: i suggest to move on and continue your discussion when gokrokve gets back online | 17:24 |
| gokrokve | I think we can keep both. We can extend later the right panel. | 17:24 |
| ruhe | oh, here is the man :) | 17:24 |
| tsufiev | gokrokve: ok, if our UI man thinks it's ok, then it's ok :) | 17:24 |
| ruhe | tsufiev: gokrokve: can we move the next topic? | 17:25 |
| ruhe | * to the next topic | 17:26 |
| tsufiev | ruhe: yes | 17:26 |
| ruhe | #topic Release status | 17:26 |
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| ruhe | in previous meetings we discussed each component in detail | 17:26 |
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| ruhe | today i'd like to have an open discussion about items we think are important for this release, but not yet merged or implemented | 17:27 |
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| ruhe | gokrokve: you're the one who always cares about features :) what's missing from your point of view? | 17:28 |
| tsufiev | ruhe: advanced networking, of course :) | 17:28 |
| gokrokve | Yes. Networking part should be in 0.5 as it was suported on 0.4 version. | 17:29 |
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| gokrokve | other stuff can be added later in 0.5.1 release | 17:29 |
| ruhe | #info advanced networking is a must have for 0.5 | 17:29 |
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| ruhe | i don't see stan_lagun here. correct me if i'm wrong, but i think that he's working on this feature | 17:30 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev: do we have a bug for it? | 17:31 |
| ruhe | or BP | 17:31 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe: don't know of any | 17:32 |
| tsufiev | ruhe: fortunately you can ask slagun himself :) | 17:32 |
| ruhe | slagun: ping | 17:32 |
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| slagun | hi | 17:32 |
| slagun | sorry for being late. What is the question? | 17:32 |
| ruhe | slagun: are you working on advanced networking? | 17:32 |
| slagun | not yet | 17:33 |
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| ruhe | slagun: but you will, right? | 17:33 |
| slagun | hopefully | 17:33 |
| ruhe | slagun: can i ask you to file a bug related to this missing feature? | 17:33 |
| slagun | np | 17:33 |
| slagun | sure | 17:34 |
| ruhe | #action slagun file a bug about missing "advanced networking" | 17:34 |
| ruhe | #action slagun implement "advanced networking" in 0.5 | 17:34 |
| ruhe | anything else critical we would like to land in 0.5? | 17:35 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: is our API in a good shape now? | 17:35 |
| gokrokve | I think we need to convert all existing apps to new DSL. | 17:35 |
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| katyafervent2 | I think so) | 17:35 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: agree | 17:36 |
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| ruhe | katyafervent2: good to hear | 17:36 |
| katyafervent2 | But need more investigation | 17:36 |
| ruhe | gokrokve: i suggest to file a BP to track each existing app conversion to the new DSL | 17:36 |
| ruhe | #action ruhe file a BP to track conversion of existing apps to the new DSL | 17:37 |
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| ruhe | katyafervent2: btw, what's your progress with the telnet service? | 17:37 |
| katyafervent2 | I can't check the deploy due to blocking issues | 17:38 |
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| katyafervent2 | Hope tomorrow I'll do it, because telnet package is ready | 17:38 |
| sergmelikyan | I will publish fixes for all found bugs tomorrow, I was able today finish deployemnt of Tomcat - Postgresql | 17:39 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: woohoo! | 17:39 |
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| ruhe | #info sergmelikyan successfully ran deployment of Tomcat/Postgres example | 17:40 |
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| ruhe | so far we identified three critical items for 0.5: | 17:40 |
| ruhe | 1. advanced networking | 17:41 |
| ruhe | 2. convert existing apps the new DSL | 17:41 |
| ruhe | 3. i need to work on my math | 17:41 |
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| tsufiev | :) | 17:42 |
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| ruhe | anything else? | 17:42 |
| ruhe | all right, we're open for open discussion | 17:42 |
| ruhe | #topic Open Discussion | 17:42 |
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| ruhe | i can give an update on the config generation/checking | 17:43 |
| ruhe | here is the patch: | 17:43 |
| ruhe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85855/ | 17:43 |
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| ruhe | it'll allow us to generate sample config from the code | 17:43 |
| ruhe | and always make sure that the sample config is synced with configs declared in the code | 17:44 |
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| tsufiev | speaking of the reviews... | 17:44 |
| ruhe | and i'd like to remove SSL configs from heat,keystone,neutron block and keep is in a single [ssl] block | 17:44 |
| tsufiev | guys, don't forget to review regularly, patches are not going to merge themselves :) | 17:44 |
| sjmc7 | i can help with reviews for 0.5. our team is getting up to speed, should be starting to look at low hanging fruit bugs end of this week or beginning of next | 17:45 |
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| ruhe | sjmc7: thank you. we're constantly behind desired pace in dashboard reviews | 17:45 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7: it would be great! btw, we already have plenty of low-hanging-fruits for dashboard | 17:45 |
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| sjmc7 | tsufiev - splendid. if they're tagged, we'll pick them up | 17:46 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: what do you think about moving all the SSL-related configs to a single block [ssl] ? | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, negative | 17:46 |
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| ruhe | sergmelikyan: you can find it in the bottom of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85855/6/etc/murano/murano-api.conf.sample | 17:46 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7: https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bugs?field.tag=low-hanging-fruit | 17:46 |
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| sergmelikyan | ruhe they are different settings for different services, I don't quite get how do you plan to combine them | 17:47 |
| sjmc7 | tsufiev - yep. still getting dev environments set up, but we'll start on them asap | 17:47 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: i would expect all the openstack services to use the same SSL keys within the same installation | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | O.o | 17:48 |
| tsufiev | sjmc7: do you have any difficulties with setting dev envs up? we could help | 17:48 |
| sjmc7 | tsufiev - a couple, but we've worked around/filed bugs. we'll ask if we need help. people are still learning the language and environment, taking some time | 17:49 |
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| tsufiev | sjmc7: ok, feel free to ask :) | 17:49 |
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| ruhe | tsufiev: that's something i'd like to improve before the relase. we don't have much developer docs atm. i'd like to add as much as possible and publish them to http://murano-api.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 17:49 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: seems i said something stupid, let's discuss in #murano :) | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, I am not sure that this is right thing to do, since different services may have been accessible from different endpoint types with different configurations. Why are trying to restrict them to use only same settings? This will mean that cloud where each service has own certificated will not be supported (murano would not work) | 17:50 |
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| sergmelikyan | ok :) | 17:50 |
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| tsufiev | sjmc7: yes, we're working on that. katyafervent2 is currently adding some docs to wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Murano/Documentation/How_to_create_application_package | 17:51 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - +1 for developer docs, there're lots of bits out of date | 17:51 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: i guess we need to speak with folks who run production clouds | 17:51 |
| sjmc7 | ok, great. i'll keep an eye out | 17:51 |
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| sjmc7 | ruhe - i can ask our public cloud folks? | 17:51 |
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| tsufiev | ruhe: oops, i confused your message with sjmc7's one :) | 17:52 |
| tsufiev | ruhe: anyway, we should move docs from wiki to readthedocs asap | 17:52 |
| katyafervent2 | and from docbook too? | 17:53 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: docbook is for user docs | 17:53 |
| katyafervent2 | ok, so user guide will live there | 17:53 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: that would be great | 17:53 |
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| sjmc7 | ruhe - maybe let me know after this exactly what the question is | 17:54 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: sure | 17:54 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, we had same settings for all services for one of the customers, but not on public cloud, since on public cloud they planned to not have wildcard certificates and disable insecure option | 17:54 |
| ruhe | katyafervent2: right. i'd like to move user docs from murano-docs to murano-api (which will be renamed to murano). but i need to convince sergmelikyan first :) | 17:54 |
| akuznetsova_ | katyafervent2: i can help with user giude updating | 17:54 |
| katyafervent2 | akuznetsova_: it would be great | 17:55 |
| slagun | sjmc7,you can take Heat's approach to clients' setting configuration as a reference | 17:55 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, you don't need to convince me :) I think developers docs should be for developers (in murano-api repo in ReST), but manuals and guides in docbook and in different repo. Just as Openstack itself does. | 17:55 |
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| sergmelikyan | We don't want to rewrite them to docbook once we integrated, are we? ) | 17:56 |
| ruhe | sergmelikyan: i want to keep user docs in docbook, but move them under murano-api to simplify the release process | 17:56 |
| ruhe | the same way we're moving tests and deployment scripts under murano-api | 17:57 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, no objections here, but I don't think that moving all staff to single repo, where root of the python package is located is a good thing to do. We need to make sure that murano-api will not turn to mess. | 17:58 |
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| akuznetsova_ | ruhe: do you want to move all tests to murano-api repo? | 17:58 |
| ruhe | akuznetsova_: yes | 17:58 |
| tsufiev | one repo to rule them all :) | 17:58 |
| ruhe | speaking of the developer docs, i will take an action item to setup everything necessary for docs: a job to build them and to push to to readthedocs | 17:59 |
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| ruhe | #action ruhe setup infrastructure for dev-docs building and publishing | 17:59 |
| ruhe | last minute | 17:59 |
| ruhe | anything worth mentioning? | 17:59 |
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| ruhe | thanks everyone! | 18:00 |
| ruhe | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 18:00:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-15-17.03.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-15-17.03.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-04-15-17.03.log.html | 18:00 |
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| jdob | o/ | 19:02 |
| matty_dubs | \o | 19:02 |
| shadower | hola | 19:02 |
| * shadower is such a rebel | 19:02 | |
| jdob | that's like a high five that we missed matty_dubs | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | hi | 19:02 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 19:02 |
| matty_dubs | lol | 19:02 |
| jomara | \/\/o/\/\ | 19:02 |
| matty_dubs | Is this where I get me some tripleos? | 19:02 |
| jomara | yes | 19:02 |
| bnemec | For anyone who didn't see it, lifeless is looking for someone to run the meeting. | 19:03 |
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| shadower | oh | 19:03 |
| * bnemec looks at SpamapS, slagle, and derekh | 19:03 | |
| tzumainn | HI! | 19:03 |
| bnemec | Except no derekh. :-) | 19:03 |
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| tzumainn | anyone have a pokeball with a core trapped inside? | 19:04 |
| jdob | tzumainn: perhaps a Endpoing? | 19:04 |
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| tzumainn | lol | 19:04 |
| slagle | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 15 19:05:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slagle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:05 |
| tchaypo | You're all so witty. Clearly you've had time to pre-caffeinate. | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:05 |
| slagle | Hi everyone! | 19:05 |
| Ng | o./ | 19:05 |
| jdob | o/ | 19:05 |
| bnemec | o/ | 19:05 |
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| dprince | hello | 19:05 |
| jomara | ahoy | 19:05 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:05 |
| slagle | #topic agenda | 19:06 |
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| SpamapS | half here | 19:06 |
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| slagle | * bugs | 19:06 |
| slagle | * reviews | 19:06 |
| slagle | * Projects needing releases | 19:06 |
| SpamapS | on vacation.. but vacation w/ excellent wifi.. :-P | 19:06 |
| slagle | * CD Cloud status | 19:06 |
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| slagle | * CI | 19:06 |
| slagle | * Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:06 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 19:06 |
| slagle | good grief | 19:06 |
| marios | o/ sorry a bit late | 19:06 |
| slagle | i am incapable of copy/pasting the agenda apparently | 19:06 |
| greghaynes | O\ | 19:07 |
| bnemec | :-) | 19:07 |
| slagle | #topic bugs | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:07 | |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:07 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:07 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:07 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:07 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:07 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:07 |
| slagle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:07 |
| slagle | we have some untriaged bugs... | 19:08 |
| slagle | 4 in tripleo | 19:08 |
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| tchaypo | I see 4 incomplete, but only one new | 19:09 |
| slagle | can someone pick those up and triage? | 19:09 |
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| slagle | none appear critical to me | 19:09 |
| tchaypo | I thought the incomplete ones are considered triaged? | 19:10 |
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| slagle | not sure what the stance on that is | 19:10 |
| lsmola2 | hello | 19:10 |
| slagle | i like to see an Importance on there | 19:10 |
| slagle | although, if incomplete, that can be hard to determine | 19:11 |
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| slagle | i don't see any other untriaged in the other projects | 19:12 |
| tchaypo | That seems reasonable - we should at least be able to figure out what the priority would be if we get the data to support the reported bug | 19:12 |
| slagle | tchaypo: indeed, i'm just thinking...if it's not something that reproduces, thus we need more info, etc, it's not likely critical | 19:13 |
| slagle | i don't see any unassigned critical bugs | 19:13 |
| slagle | anyone have anything to discuss about those? | 19:14 |
| slagle | or other bug business for that matter? | 19:14 |
| slagle | excellent! everyone agrees to fix all open bugs | 19:14 |
| slagle | moving on | 19:14 |
| slagle | #topic reviews | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:14 | |
| slagle | #link http://www.russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.txt | 19:15 |
| slagle | this was a big topic last week | 19:15 |
| slagle | around the backlog of reviews related to exposing configuration | 19:15 |
| slagle | i did not see the proposed patches for a configuration pass through? | 19:15 |
| slagle | did i miss it? | 19:16 |
| dprince | slagle: I volunteered to help but was told Steve K was working on it | 19:16 |
| dprince | lifeless: can you confirm someone is working on a pass through option? | 19:16 |
| slagle | could be worth following up on the ML about the status on that | 19:16 |
| dprince | lifeless: not trying to point any fingers... but would like to not duplicate effort as well | 19:16 |
| bnemec | lifeless is out for the beginning of the meeting. Maybe ask him when he gets here. | 19:17 |
| slagle | since he's gone, i'll action him | 19:17 |
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| slagle | #action lifeless provide status update on config pass though | 19:17 |
| dprince | slagle: that was the last I heard anyways, we (someone) needs to implement a pass through option | 19:17 |
| slagle | right, i thought it was coming "today or tomorrow" last tuesday | 19:17 |
| tchaypo | I've been poking at the problem; it's interesting as a learning exercise | 19:17 |
| slagle | i did see the patch for the os-apply-config override templates | 19:18 |
| slagle | maybe that was it? dunno for sure | 19:18 |
| * bnemec thinks we should wait for lifeless and revisit this | 19:18 | |
| tchaypo | But I have no objection to someone who already understands the space jumping in | 19:18 |
| slagle | bnemec: indeed | 19:18 |
| tchaypo | I'm fairly sure stevenk hasn't had time to look at it | 19:19 |
| slagle | so, we continue to slip on reviews, but i think this is directly related to everyone agreeing not really to review the outstanding config changes last week | 19:19 |
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| slagle | --> Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:19 |
| slagle | ----> Average wait time: 6 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes | 19:19 |
| marios | worth noting that the tht reviews are blocked waiting for the software config worke | 19:19 |
| bnemec | Yeah, it's hard to tell. At least half of the longest waiting reviews are config options. | 19:19 |
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| slagle | marios: yes, and SpamapS is on vacation | 19:19 |
| slagle | i do think the software-config support is really high priority for the templates | 19:20 |
| slagle | any volunteers to help tests SpamapS's patches that are out there? | 19:20 |
| shadower | here | 19:20 |
| jprovazn | yes | 19:20 |
| jprovazn | I was trying them today | 19:20 |
| shadower | been loo,king into it anyway | 19:20 |
| slagle | cool, i saw you guys were looking at it :) | 19:20 |
| jprovazn | seemed to work fine for me | 19:20 |
| slagle | the more folks that jump in and test, the faster that will go | 19:20 |
| greghaynes | Yep, are all the os-c-c patches needed for it now merged? | 19:21 |
| shadower | the occ patches blocking this just landed | 19:21 |
| shadower | we need a release | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | w00t | 19:21 |
| jprovazn | but I still didn't finish reading through them to the end and understand it completely :) | 19:21 |
| lsmola2 | I will test it too | 19:21 |
| slagle | lsmola2: thanks! | 19:21 |
| slagle | any other review business? | 19:21 |
| jprovazn | just a nit | 19:22 |
| slagle | if you're waiting on reviews...don't be shy about pinging cores in #tripleo | 19:22 |
| shadower | yeah | 19:22 |
| slagle | don't want to see folks blocked given the backlog | 19:22 |
| jprovazn | review stats might be also worse because bunch of reviews are still waiting on success gating tests | 19:22 |
| shadower | jprovazn: shouldn't that just affect approvals? | 19:22 |
| jprovazn | shadower, yes | 19:23 |
| slagle | jprovazn: true, but that doesn't affect all the stats about feedback | 19:23 |
| jprovazn | ah, right | 19:23 |
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| slagle | any other review business? | 19:23 |
| slagle | #topic releases | 19:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:24 | |
| slagle | i don't mind releasing again this week | 19:24 |
| rpodolyaka1 | slagle feel free to give this to me, if you are busy :) | 19:24 |
| slagle | on a related topic, we are still waiting on some acl overrides in gerrit for commit access to the stable branches | 19:24 |
| lifeless | o/ am here now :). not taking over but just able to participate :) | 19:24 |
| slagle | rpodolyaka1: i can handle for now :). thx though! | 19:25 |
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| slagle | #topic CD Cloud Status | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud Status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:26 | |
| shadower | slagle: so the software config t-h-t patch depends on os-*-config changes that just landed. Would you let me know once the release is out? | 19:26 |
| slagle | shadower: yes, will do | 19:26 |
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| shadower | thanks | 19:26 |
| slagle | shadower: will aim to do that one this afternoon | 19:26 |
| shadower | cool, I'll pikc it up in EU morning then | 19:26 |
| slagle | i'm not actually sure what the status of the CD cloud is. i suspect unchanged from last week | 19:26 |
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| slagle | #topic CI | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:27 | |
| slagle | i think stuff is passing now | 19:27 |
| slagle | after the nova fixes from yesterday | 19:28 |
| slagle | i'm not sure of the details on that | 19:28 |
| slagle | i don't think derekh is here | 19:28 |
| lifeless | he's not | 19:28 |
| lifeless | I think we should be able to remove his bandaid too | 19:28 |
| slagle | i've seen successful runs from this afternoon | 19:29 |
| slagle | if you have patches that need to be rechecked, plz do so | 19:29 |
| lifeless | dansmith landed a patch that broke bare use of the metadata server without nova-network; its been reverted | 19:29 |
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| slagle | lifeless: i already see a revert for the bandaid https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87354/ | 19:30 |
| slagle | although...it failed CI :/ | 19:31 |
| slagle | likely unrelated | 19:31 |
| slagle | anywho, that is in flight | 19:31 |
| dprince | slagle: I plan on looking at it.. | 19:31 |
| slagle | dprince: thx! | 19:31 |
| slagle | other CI business? | 19:31 |
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| slagle | dprince: how goes the reliability of the f20 job? | 19:32 |
| dprince | slagle: seems like it is doing better to me. although still slowish on resources | 19:32 |
| slagle | i know derek was looking into an issue with nodepool not spinning up fedora nodes | 19:32 |
| dprince | slagle: yes | 19:32 |
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| slagle | k | 19:33 |
| slagle | #topic open discussion | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:33 | |
| slagle | lifeless: do you have an update on the config pass through proposal from last week? | 19:33 |
| lifeless | somewhat | 19:33 |
| lifeless | tchaypo has been poking at it | 19:33 |
| lifeless | and I've now cleared my plate - I'll be doing that and only that today | 19:33 |
| slagle | k, cool | 19:34 |
| lifeless | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/032768.html <- would like thoughts on this | 19:34 |
| greghaynes | Is the plan to then pick some subset of the config change reviews as things we want to expose? Curious if therse some criteria for what we want to do as passthrough and what we dont | 19:35 |
| greghaynes | makes it hard to give any review on those otherwise | 19:35 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: indeed, so I think we need a layer cake doc | 19:35 |
| lifeless | we describe in the overall design the different tools etc | 19:36 |
| lifeless | but we don't talk about what not to expose, because there has until now never been a choice | 19:36 |
| greghaynes | doc sounds good. Do we err on the side of accepting those reviews as well (if they are fine otherwise)? | 19:37 |
| tchaypo | lifeless: I'll talk to you after the meeting about where I'm at. | 19:37 |
| lifeless | tchaypo: cool, thanks! | 19:37 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: I think not. Like spamaps big patchset, this is going to be hugely hard if lots of little dribs and drabs are landing | 19:37 |
| greghaynes | ah, right.. and theres more of that incoming | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | I think the things to expose are the things that would be hard to do with the manual injection. | 19:39 |
| lifeless | or anything that involves a derivation process | 19:39 |
| slagle | lifeless: so the gist of the nova spec proposal is: you submit a review with a spec/design doc. people review the commit as usual, provide feedback etc. then spec gets committed ? | 19:39 |
| lifeless | but there are two layers | 19:39 |
| lifeless | at the TIE layer, we'll be making things more generic | 19:39 |
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| lifeless | at the THT layer we'll be modelling the conf files and then exposing is choosing to make it a parameter vs part of the passthrough json | 19:39 |
| lifeless | slagle: yes, and blueprints are created at the end of that process | 19:40 |
| slagle | ok, i think it could work and like the idea | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | so for instance, for the passthrough stuff; we'd write a doc in incubator/doc/source/designs/passthough_config.rst | 19:40 |
| bnemec | I'm +1 on spec reviews, but last I heard they were still iterating on the nova process and wanted to finish that before applying it to other projects. | 19:41 |
| lifeless | there's no reason we can't start ourselves | 19:41 |
| bnemec | Although if we put our spec reviews directly in incubator that might help. Part of it was they didn't want a bunch of infra churn if things changed. | 19:41 |
| slagle | yea, let's be trendsetters | 19:41 |
| lifeless | they aren't in a position to say 'this is what everyone should do' yet is all | 19:42 |
| lifeless | which really, thats a TC call | 19:42 |
| ccrouch | do they have some sort of folder/naming convention so we dont end up with a sea of notstarted/completed/inprogress/abandoned designs ? | 19:42 |
| ccrouch | maybe we just want a folder per cycle? | 19:42 |
| lifeless | Good question; perhaps wait and see? | 19:43 |
| slagle | yea, and more real time status will be tracked in the blueprint i suspect | 19:43 |
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| ccrouch | true | 19:43 |
| slagle | oh, before i forget, everyone please submit your design session proposals for Atlanta before Friday | 19:44 |
| slagle | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 19:44 |
| slagle | any other business or shall we end early? | 19:45 |
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| slagle | guess not! bye folks! c ya in #tripleo | 19:45 |
| slagle | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 15 19:45:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-15-19.05.html | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-15-19.05.txt | 19:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-04-15-19.05.log.html | 19:45 |
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| lsmola2 | thanks, have a great week | 19:46 |
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| jomara | later guys | 19:46 |
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