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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 14 15:00:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:00 |
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| zns | Hi there. Who's here for satori? | 15:01 |
| samstav | o/ | 15:01 |
| caleb_ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| zns | jasonpgignac, zz_gondoi - here? | 15:02 |
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| ogelbukh | o/ | 15:02 |
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| zns | Cool. Welcome everyone! | 15:03 |
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| gondoi | o/ | 15:03 |
| gondoi | sorry attending 2 meetings :D | 15:03 |
| gondoi | o/ | 15:03 |
| gondoi | for my non sleeping username ^ | 15:03 |
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| zns | So this is the week after Heartbleed. Just prefixing with that before we go into action item statuses! | 15:04 |
| zns | #topic action items | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:04 | |
| zns | #action zns start ML discussion & blueprint for built-in python data plane discovery | 15:04 |
| zns | Moving this one one more week - not done. | 15:04 |
| zns | caleb_ Developer docs for doing discovery using Python rather than the command line? | 15:04 |
| caleb_ | zns: Negative. Punt forward. | 15:05 |
| zns | #action caleb_ Developer docs for doing discovery using Python rather than the command line | 15:05 |
| zns | OK | 15:05 |
| jasonpgignac | o/ | 15:06 |
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| jasonpgignac | (Sorry, was distracted, her enow) | 15:06 |
| zns | I also said I would send out a revised schema proposal. That's also not ready. Sorry. | 15:06 |
| gusmaskowitz | please forgive the lateness dear fellow openstackers | 15:06 |
| gusmaskowitz | o/ | 15:06 |
| zns | Is anyone ready to go over their other blueprints/proposals? | 15:06 |
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| gondoi | i have a review submitted for the ip and netloc info one | 15:07 |
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| caleb_ | gondoi: link? | 15:07 |
| gondoi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86433/ | 15:07 |
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| zns | Looks like it's passing tests. I'll take a look after the meeting. Anything in particular to note about it, gondoi ? | 15:08 |
| caleb_ | I reviewed it before and you corrected the issues | 15:08 |
| caleb_ | +1 from me | 15:08 |
| gondoi | nothing special, just adding missing functionality | 15:09 |
| zns | Cool. Thank you. It does not change the output schema either, right, so won't be impacted by the schema proposal? | 15:09 |
| gondoi | correct | 15:09 |
| zns | Great. | 15:09 |
| zns | #topic blueprints | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:10 | |
| zns | We have a number of blueprint proposals mentioned on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Satori. Are any of these expected to move along this week? | 15:10 |
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| zns | Most have gondoi named on them. Mine (zns) I will work on this week also and update the proposal. | 15:11 |
| gondoi | I have not looked into any of them apart from the ip netloc one | 15:11 |
| gondoi | i put my name next to them mostly because I entered them and had context | 15:11 |
| gondoi | they have not been discussed or assigned | 15:12 |
| samstav | I have not created a satori-minimal package which satori will depend on | 15:12 |
| samstav | I expect that to move along this week | 15:12 |
| zns | Cool. I think if we get that and the output schema done we'll have some good forward progress. | 15:13 |
| gondoi | I'll pick up the custom template for this week | 15:13 |
| zns | Great. I did not close that blueprint after I implemented the first part. So you can ride off of that blueprint. | 15:14 |
| zns | gondoi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/satori-templated-output | 15:14 |
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| gondoi | thank you zns | 15:14 |
| zns | The custom part is in the spec as an example: $ satori example.com —format /etc/my/format # format using an external template | 15:15 |
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| zns | But feel free to change it if you have an alternative approach.... just FYI. | 15:15 |
| zns | We have a light agenda for this week's meeting. Anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 15:16 |
| zns | If not, I think we can call it done for today... | 15:16 |
| zns | Going once, twice... | 15:17 |
| caleb_ | not much momentum this week. Last week was tough. | 15:17 |
| gondoi | nothing else from me | 15:17 |
| gondoi | oh | 15:18 |
| gondoi | don't forget we have #openstack-satori | 15:18 |
| zns | We do? | 15:18 |
| gondoi | saw a new user there | 15:18 |
| zns | Did we move for bot reasons? | 15:18 |
| gondoi | just fyi for those that may not be in the room | 15:18 |
| gondoi | yes | 15:18 |
| gondoi | infra has ownership of the openstack* namespace | 15:18 |
| gondoi | so if we ever need assistance in regaining control of the room anyone in the infra team can get freenode to help us out | 15:19 |
| zns | Oh, OK. That's important! | 15:19 |
| gondoi | #info Satori channel is now #openstack-satori | 15:19 |
| gondoi | :D | 15:19 |
| zns | #action zns update documentation to point to #openstack-satori channel | 15:19 |
| zns | Thanks for setting that up. | 15:19 |
| gondoi | zns: I may have already updated docs, but may have missed some | 15:19 |
| gondoi | gerritbot is active in there too | 15:20 |
| gondoi | already had notices of reviews | 15:20 |
| zns | Cool | 15:20 |
| zns | Counter reset... Anything else? Going once, twice.... | 15:20 |
| zns | Thank you all! | 15:21 |
| zns | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 14 15:21:44 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-04-14-15.00.html | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-04-14-15.00.txt | 15:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-04-14-15.00.log.html | 15:21 |
| zns | gondoi: OK. I'll double-check... | 15:22 |
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| colinmcnamara | if anyone is on, I'm running a few min late | 16:57 |
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| matjazp | Good morning all | 16:58 |
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| colinmcnamara | morning | 17:05 |
| colinmcnamara | sorry, was running late | 17:05 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 17:06 |
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| dguitarbite | morining/evening | 17:06 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:06 |
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| dguitarbite | start meeting? | 17:06 |
| colinmcnamara | #startmeeting training-manuals | 17:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 14 17:06:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is colinmcnamara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' | 17:07 |
| colinmcnamara | Ok, good morning everyone | 17:07 |
| colinmcnamara | roll call | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | here | 17:07 |
| colinmcnamara | colinmcnamara | 17:07 |
| matjazp | here | 17:07 |
| dguitarbite | dguitarbite | 17:07 |
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| colinmcnamara | ok, opening trello board now | 17:08 |
| dguitarbite | sorry I've been a bad boy and not attending the meetings for the past month | 17:09 |
| colinmcnamara | it's alreight | 17:09 |
| colinmcnamara | I owe you a recommendation letter btw | 17:09 |
| colinmcnamara | ok, #topic impeded items | 17:09 |
| colinmcnamara | #topic impeded items - Moodle Oath2 | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "impeded items - Moodle Oath2 (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:10 | |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: thanks :) | 17:10 |
| colinmcnamara | info - https://trello.com/c/9Cfgbv2W/212-moodle-integration-with-oath2 | 17:10 |
| colinmcnamara | any response back from the infra team on oath support for Moodle? - matjazp: | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | hi... uh... I was swamped by other work | 17:11 |
| matjazp | so nothing to report :/ | 17:11 |
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| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: its officially support in moodle2.6 | 17:11 |
| colinmcnamara | is there anything we can do to ping jeremy or clark? | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | I was talking to infra guys some time back | 17:11 |
| colinmcnamara | k | 17:11 |
| dguitarbite | and they are happy to let me drive the puppet goodies to get it running | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | *get moodle running | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | dguitarbite: yes, we know.. but we should extend it to support Launchpad | 17:12 |
| dguitarbite | is that what you mean by support? | 17:12 |
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| dguitarbite | the problem is that the Launchpad plugin is outdated | 17:12 |
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| dguitarbite | is there anything else that could be used? Or writing a custom Maven-mojo plugin for quizzes? | 17:13 |
| colinmcnamara | if we are stalled on this, and it's for plugin development | 17:13 |
| matjazp | We've established that it is better to go with Oauth2 than with an old plugin from 2007 | 17:13 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: yep, Oauth2 is well supported as of now | 17:14 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: are you still keen on Launchpad auth? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: but moodle plugin still needs to be extended. We try to avoid any new code that needs to be mantained | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | I think well written puppet code should do the trick, I need to research more on Oauth2 plugin | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | integration with moodle 2.6.2 | 17:15 |
| dguitarbite | *2.6.1 | 17:16 |
| matjazp | I loked at the plugin for Oauth2.. It support many providers, but not Launchpad/Ubuntu One | 17:16 |
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| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: any specific reason to link to Launchpad? Is it for adding Quiz implementation as code contribution? | 17:17 |
| colinmcnamara | well, we need to integrate with OpenStack single sign on | 17:17 |
| colinmcnamara | that is the only requirement | 17:17 |
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| colinmcnamara | technically launchpad is integrated with OpenID | 17:18 |
| matjazp | Moodle OpenID plugin is ancient | 17:18 |
| matjazp | ..but Oauth2 plugin is still maintained (last version from fall 2013) | 17:19 |
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| colinmcnamara | so, it seems like there is an action item out of here | 17:19 |
| colinmcnamara | #action review moodle auth integration options | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | colinmcnamara: we've already done that: OpenID plugin is to old and not maintained, Oauth plugin is new, but lacks direct support for Launchapd/Ubuntu One | 17:20 |
| colinmcnamara | so, the real work is update the Oath plugin to support launchpad ubuntu one | 17:21 |
| colinmcnamara | and now we are trying to get dev resources to do it | 17:21 |
| colinmcnamara | matjazp, can you please put some info surrounding that int the card | 17:21 |
| colinmcnamara | on trello | 17:21 |
| matjazp | so the real question was to gain input from infra guys that will have to support this Moodle installation what they prefer | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: OpenID was supposed to run with moodle1.7 but when I tested it, it breaks moodle badly | 17:21 |
| colinmcnamara | I'm going to see if I can throw it in my teams backlog | 17:21 |
| matjazp | colinmcnamara: sure | 17:21 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: would be great | 17:22 |
| colinmcnamara | just need to do resource estimation ;) | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | still need to speak with infra guys.. they will have to support that | 17:22 |
| matjazp | once it is in "production" | 17:22 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: infra task is not that difficult | 17:23 |
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| dguitarbite | Moodle app will not require much updates | 17:23 |
| colinmcnamara | matjazp/dguitarbyte can you please upload some architecture diagratms | 17:23 |
| colinmcnamara | and any info you have to the card | 17:23 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: sure | 17:23 |
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| colinmcnamara | that will help my team estimate effort | 17:23 |
| colinmcnamara | ok, next topic | 17:24 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: Moodle app will not require much efforts, once the puppet module is written, it will be easy to maintain its lifecycle, we can come to an agreement on how frequently we need to update it. | 17:24 |
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| colinmcnamara | #topic doing - dguitarbite: patch api's in day2 la | 17:24 |
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| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: yes sir, ( la - Malaysian English? ) | 17:25 |
| colinmcnamara | status, progress? | 17:26 |
| colinmcnamara | I don't see any notes in the card | 17:26 |
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| dguitarbite | I need to start working on it, I am not aware of the progress | 17:26 |
| dguitarbite | Ill finish it asap | 17:27 |
| colinmcnamara | if you can, break down the work into a checklist https://trello.com/c/QREO6tEi/202-patch-apis-in-depth-day-2-lab | 17:28 |
| colinmcnamara | #topic patch first draft how to participate bootcamp - Sean | 17:28 |
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| colinmcnamara | Sean pinged me before the call. He is still swamped comming off holiday | 17:28 |
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| colinmcnamara | #topic update to dev course https://trello.com/c/wjtIWYOO/213-update-to-dev-course | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "update to dev course https://trello.com/c/wjtIWYOO/213-update-to-dev-course (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:29 | |
| colinmcnamara | I'm merging the docbooks this week for the dev overview | 17:29 |
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| colinmcnamara | also, looped in RackSpace to help write the Django app | 17:29 |
| colinmcnamara | looks like ashleymcnamara: volunteered to help with that | 17:29 |
| colinmcnamara | There is a dependancy on the CI stack, which is covered in the next card | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: amazing, I can help you test them | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | awesome | 17:30 |
| dguitarbite | I wanted to learn Django from long time | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | I'm going to break out the update dev course and build sample app into a few different cards | 17:30 |
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| colinmcnamara | that is dependant on this card - | 17:30 |
| colinmcnamara | #topic Refactor denicacloud CI stack to opensource core CI components on OpenStack for Training-Guides https://trello.com/c/NiwDwO8r/214-refactor-denicacloud-ci-stack-to-opensource-core-ci-components-on-openstack-for-training-guides | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Refactor denicacloud CI stack to opensource core CI components on OpenStack for Training-Guides https://trello.com/c/NiwDwO8r/214-refactor-denicacloud-ci-stack-to-opensource-core-ci-components-on-openstack-for-training-guides (Meeting topic: training-manuals)" | 17:31 | |
| colinmcnamara | I updated the card with the relevant puppet modules that have been upstreamed | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | gerrit (which has git in it) | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | and jenkins are done and upstreamed | 17:31 |
| colinmcnamara | My guys are writing a wrapper right now that takes yaml files, and generates a node definition | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | I figure that may make it easier for a student | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | just run a little agent on your laptop/dev vn | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | vm | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | and that will populate the node definitions with the appropriate ip information, etc | 17:32 |
| colinmcnamara | so basically two choices, student can update the node info and vagrant up locally | 17:33 |
| colinmcnamara | or denica will create it for you | 17:33 |
| colinmcnamara | hopefully that will help minimize the hassle | 17:33 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | so, that stream in feature should be done in this sprint | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | and the wrapper of the CI chain should get upstreamed after | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: does that come under Architecture Training or Developer Training? | 17:34 |
| colinmcnamara | so, the goal for this | 17:34 |
| matjazp | well-- maybe developers should be able to use Vagrant, and that is the prefered way? | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | if its Developer Training, why not use DevStack instead? | 17:34 |
| dguitarbite | Vagrant - Devstack - | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | so, it is for developing apps on top of openstack | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | ok | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | not developing openstack itself | 17:35 |
| dguitarbite | makes sense :) | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | so, in that sense | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | we want to leave the student with a working openstack instance + ci toolchain | 17:35 |
| colinmcnamara | that deploys into it | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | then the higher order skill | 17:36 |
| dguitarbite | and we could reuse that for Architect Training or build on that | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | exactly | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | that way we have a full CI system built on openstack in the trainees' laptop | 17:36 |
| colinmcnamara | but also available for them to install in their own infrastructure | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | maybe on a server or two at work | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | drive adoption of openstack | 17:37 |
| dguitarbite | matjazp: using Vagrant should be piece of cake for developers even newbies | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | you'd be suprised | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | front end dev's | 17:37 |
| colinmcnamara | that are used to deploying say to heruku | 17:37 |
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| colinmcnamara | don't even use vagrant | 17:37 |
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| colinmcnamara | need to set the barrier as low as possible | 17:37 |
| matjazp | dguitarbite: sure, that's why I think it should be a problem | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | should be a problem? | 17:38 |
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| colinmcnamara | my view | 17:38 |
| matjazp | souldn't | 17:38 |
| matjazp | damn.. long day ,,, | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | if the goal is teaching dev's to develop apps to run on top of (consume) openstack | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | then everything that is not involved with learning that skill | 17:38 |
| matjazp | shouldn't | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | should be simplified | 17:38 |
| dguitarbite | we can spoon feed them with an executable | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | yup | 17:38 |
| colinmcnamara | exactly | 17:38 |
| * matjazp should just stop typing... :( | 17:39 | |
| colinmcnamara | :) | 17:39 |
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| colinmcnamara | #topic any other business? | 17:39 |
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| dguitarbite | colinmcnamara: we need to fix a few things in Associate Training Guide | 17:39 |
| dguitarbite | some of the sections are mixed up | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | do we host an official sprint or something for that? | 17:40 |
| colinmcnamara | probably a good idea | 17:40 |
| colinmcnamara | Can you throw that as a card into the backlog | 17:40 |
| colinmcnamara | resource estimation for associates clean up sprint | 17:40 |
| dguitarbite | ofcourse we should sit and identify the issues, ill add the card on trello | 17:40 |
| colinmcnamara | and then probably schedule it as an icehouse update sprint | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | into the backlog | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | not doing | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | we need to focus on clearing out impeded items | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | and finish doing | 17:41 |
| dguitarbite | sorry, thanks for moving it | 17:41 |
| colinmcnamara | :) | 17:42 |
| colinmcnamara | no worries | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 17:42 |
| colinmcnamara | ok, I need to run. anything else we need to address? | 17:42 |
| dguitarbite | did we attact any more companies into OpenStack training? | 17:42 |
| colinmcnamara | it's coming | 17:42 |
| colinmcnamara | there are a few in the queue | 17:43 |
| colinmcnamara | I think that OpenStack summit will be a tipping point | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | sounds good | 17:43 |
| colinmcnamara | THanks everyone | 17:43 |
| colinmcnamara | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 14 17:43:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-04-14-17.06.html | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-04-14-17.06.txt | 17:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_manuals/2014/training_manuals.2014-04-14-17.06.log.html | 17:43 |
| dguitarbite | thanks | 17:43 |
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