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| baoli | #startmeeting PCI passthrough | 13:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 25 13:05:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is baoli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: PCI passthrough)" | 13:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'pci_passthrough' | 13:05 |
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| baoli | Hi | 13:05 |
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| baoli | Hi heyongli | 13:08 |
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| heyongli | hi | 13:08 |
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| irenab | hi | 13:08 |
| baoli | Hi Irenab | 13:08 |
| irenab | sorry being late, didn't pay attention that was disconnected | 13:08 |
| baoli | We can start with irenab's doc on use cases | 13:08 |
| irenab | sure | 13:09 |
| baoli | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zgMaXqrCnad01-jQH7Mkmf6amlghw9RMScGLBrKslmw/edit | 13:09 |
| rkukura | hi - I’m here, but not able to pay 100% attention | 13:09 |
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| baoli | rkukura, thanks for getting up early | 13:09 |
| rkukura | woke up at 4:00 AM | 13:10 |
| heyongli | too early for you | 13:10 |
| irenab | rkukura: appretiate it | 13:10 |
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| sadasu | I was about 9 mins late | 13:15 |
| sadasu | not sure what was discussed | 13:15 |
| baoli | sadasu, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zgMaXqrCnad01-jQH7Mkmf6amlghw9RMScGLBrKslmw/edit | 13:16 |
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| sadasu | I can't gather context from the last 5 mins that I am logged in | 13:16 |
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| baoli | Any comments on the doc? | 13:16 |
| irenab | sadasu: discussion on use case doc | 13:17 |
| sadasu | I need we need to add information on why and how device selection happens | 13:18 |
| sadasu | I think that would be part of the use case | 13:18 |
| heyongli | first things, this is for sriov use case, i'm ok with sriov use case, and for support sriov, there need some other use case to be considerated, and i like to put them to nova side bp for common support | 13:18 |
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| irenab | sadsu: it is just initial doc to put the list of use cases, we can then enter into more details | 13:18 |
| heyongli | so nova side support be common , include the sriov use case | 13:18 |
| sadasu | ireanb: agreed…just giving input on what can be added next | 13:19 |
| sadasu | heyongli: yes, we can add non-sriov use case too | 13:20 |
| heyongli | sadasu, i don't mean add them to this doc | 13:20 |
| irenab | heyongli: agree with you. I just feel that SR-IOV networking devices have quite special use cases | 13:20 |
| sadasu | heyongli: just re-read….lets not spread out info in diff places | 13:20 |
| heyongli | i like to keep the sriov case as sriov, just ensure common pci design can support this | 13:20 |
| sadasu | we had originally discussed that we will capture all use cases in one place... | 13:21 |
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| sadasu | you can dive into a lot of depth in a diff doc but lets at least capture all use cases in one place | 13:21 |
| irenab | sadasu: I thought we mean SR-IOV/networking use cases | 13:21 |
| heyongli | i just think, sriov discuss get sriov use case clear, | 13:22 |
| heyongli | yeah, irenab, +1 | 13:22 |
| heyongli | pci changes should also keep common pci use case move forward, and i'm here hope to make the pci common part support SRIOV | 13:23 |
| irenab | after going into details on updated nova bp, I think it has enough details both for generic and SR-IOV use cases | 13:23 |
| sadasu | don't you think at least the top level use cases should be in one place to give the impression we work together? | 13:23 |
| irenab | sadasu: I think Heyongli's bp includes SR-IOV cases from nova perspective | 13:24 |
| sadasu | ok…I am lost here... | 13:24 |
| irenab | but for example mettering use case is something special for networking and not related to nova at all | 13:24 |
| sadasu | I understand that this information exists in other places... | 13:24 |
| heyongli | sadasu, to prevent icehouse's endless discuss keep going, i very want the discussion and work can be parttion easily | 13:25 |
| sadasu | I thought we are coming up with a way to present during the summit... | 13:25 |
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| irenab | maybe we need to return to the initial intention form setting new doc to capture SR-IOV use cases | 13:25 |
| irenab | ^for | 13:25 |
| sadasu | I thought we are having a generic nova/neutron joint session where we discuss top level use cases, SR-IOV and non-SR-IOV | 13:26 |
| sadasu | put it in a format that would eventually end up in an etherpad | 13:26 |
| sadasu | then we dive into a lot more detail for SR-IOV in a neutron session and non-se-iov case in nova session | 13:27 |
| heyongli | i doubt and worry a big design will block the process | 13:27 |
| irenab | Do you think non networking SR-IOV case needs discussion? | 13:27 |
| sadasu | exactly for that reason, please don't start with splitting because this big design will affect all use-cases | 13:27 |
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| irenab | seems the most challanges and requests for changes come from networking cases | 13:28 |
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| irenab | sadasu: please suggest how to proceed | 13:28 |
| sadasu | irenab: I am predicting we will have a big discussion about flavor, host aggregate | 13:29 |
| heyongli | sadasu, the design won't impact the use case, the use case impact the design might, so it might ok to keep them split and less couple | 13:29 |
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| sadasu | lets get this taken care of first..that was the biggest blocker for Icehouse | 13:29 |
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| sadasu | for that discussion to happen, lets capture all use cases in one place at high level | 13:30 |
| irenab | I think I understand sadasu's concern. Need to take into account both non-networking and networking use cases to impact the overall approach | 13:30 |
| heyongli | agree, but do we already agree the flavor should be there? and for aggregate , it's might be the holder of flavor. | 13:30 |
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| sadasu | after that point, we can split it and get into more detail for sr-iov | 13:31 |
| heyongli | agree for the biggest blocker | 13:31 |
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| baoli | should we focus on individual use cases, document them one at a time. and then we can decide to put them together or not. | 13:31 |
| sadasu | I am not picking an approach here…I think we should present them all | 13:31 |
| irenab | baoli: +1 | 13:31 |
| baoli | irenab, in that regard, I felt that the doc should provide detailed use cases. | 13:32 |
| irenab | baoli: agree, it was the initial version to put the list of use cases that should be covered. | 13:33 |
| sadasu | to prove that a particular solution that we are presenting is taking care of all use cases, we should put them all together and present together | 13:33 |
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| baoli | Also, I don't think reference to flavor is appropriate because use cases are better not to be tailored to specific implementation at this point. | 13:34 |
| sadasu | by particular solution I am specifically talking about flavor and host aggregate debates again | 13:34 |
| sadasu | baoli: agreed.. | 13:35 |
| sadasu | irenab: the doc is talking about flavor in the use cases when that is actually part of a proposed solution | 13:35 |
| irenab | I used term flavor for abstract definition for different categories of devices, just didn't find better name | 13:35 |
| heyongli | i more prefer revise current design, no revolution current design so i prefer a graduate way to achive that,if possible | 13:35 |
| sadasu | we are actually just looking for a way for the admin to specify a group of devices that satisfy a specific criteria | 13:36 |
| irenab | guys, the doc is open for editing, so all can add more use cases or modify | 13:36 |
| baoli | irenab, so start with a good format to present each use case and people can start adding. | 13:37 |
| beagles | I admit to being a bit confused. Is there a particular issue with what sadasu is saying? Also is there a particular issue with using irenab's document as a starting point? I feel I am missing something | 13:38 |
| irenab | its possible to add gloassary for the doc and explain that flavor is group of devices that satisfy a specific criteria . Would it do the job? | 13:38 |
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| sadasu | beagles: no issue with irenab's doc | 13:38 |
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| beagles | I would agree that it would be best if we were "armed" with ideas and information on how respond to hard questions about impacts and how it is all going to hang together | 13:39 |
| sadasu | on the other hand there is a proposal to split use cases into 2 separate docs | 13:39 |
| sadasu | so pushing to capture all of them in irenab's doc | 13:39 |
| heyongli | irenab, that's might just be current flavor? it can not avoid to say how to specify 'criteria' things | 13:39 |
| baoli | For example, heyongli talks about a use case in one of his recent emails: an image only runs on a certain hardware from a particular vendor. | 13:40 |
| sadasu | heyongli: yes we can talk about flavor in the design section... | 13:40 |
| beagles | oh.. ahh... mmmm why would we want to do that? We can certainly assemble them into something comprehensive... if they don't mesh, my "feeling" is that we would be missing something. | 13:40 |
| heyongli | sadasu, not just split to 2 docs, i kind of prefer non use case don't impact sriov, if possible, might small bp to achieve our goal. | 13:40 |
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| irenab | heyongli: I think baoli want to keep the description without stating the approach | 13:40 |
| beagles | kind of a naive and vague point of view... I know :) | 13:40 |
| sadasu | not while specifying use cases…because potentially that problem can be solved in multiple ways, flavor being one of them | 13:41 |
| sadasu | beagles: agreed | 13:42 |
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| baoli | so the format can be: name, summary, detailed description, if necessary a diagram for illustration purpose. | 13:42 |
| sadasu | baoli: +1 | 13:42 |
| irenab | baoli: I'll add the format according to the traditioanl UML use case template, we can drop what is not relevant. Will do it after the meeting | 13:43 |
| baoli | irenab, that sounds great! | 13:43 |
| sadasu | heyongli: how the BP pans out is different from a consistent design, don't u think? | 13:44 |
| baoli | I hope that people can start adding/commenting to the doc. | 13:44 |
| irenab | Does some one has more use cases to add or any suggestion on doc organization? | 13:44 |
| sadasu | beagles : +1 | 13:44 |
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| sadasu | ireanb: VM with high throughput, no live migration | 13:45 |
| sadasu | VM with medium throughput, with live migration | 13:45 |
| beagles | irenab, I have some vague ideas on doc organization, but I'd like to ruminate a bit and maybe throw some ideas around instead of wasting meeting time | 13:45 |
| sadasu | VM with mixture of SR-IOV port +PCI passthrough storage device | 13:45 |
| sadasu | VM with one SR-IOV port with regular non-SR-IOV port | 13:46 |
| beagles | I had a similar issue with the parity work.. a bunch of disjoint pieces spread all over and followed a bunch of ways. I could never find a way that I felt wasn't awkward as hell | 13:46 |
| irenab | baeagles: would be great | 13:46 |
| sadasu | beagles: +1 | 13:47 |
| sadasu | ireanb: until we figure out the final format, we can add the list of use cases in your doc | 13:48 |
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| baoli | so recap: we'll finalize the doc organization, and then people add/comment use cases into the doc. | 13:49 |
| beagles | sadasu, yeah.. I think right now it would be good to keep things in one place and then break out and organize. It is easier than going the other way, where things might get missed | 13:49 |
| irenab | sadasu: great | 13:49 |
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| irenab | I think the non networking use cases can be in nova bp for now, at least till we figure out the details of networking SR-IOV related use case. | 13:50 |
| irenab | heyongli: what to you think? | 13:51 |
| heyongli | i just don't know if one big design will get core's attention | 13:52 |
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| irenab | my feeling was that non networking PCI staff was already in and we want to add networking use cases support | 13:52 |
| heyongli | can't agree with you more irenab | 13:53 |
| irenab | but it can be good to see all use cases defined anyway | 13:53 |
| heyongli | non networking stuff also need improve, i just don't want it to be part of sriov, but i do like you can take that as a factor | 13:54 |
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| beagles | in this phase would it have to be more than a mention of how they don't interfere and are handled in a consistent fashion.. and maybe that it would be a valid test point? | 13:55 |
| irenab | so next step, I'll add template for use case description, anyone adds use cases that are relevant. Am I right? | 13:56 |
| sadasu_ | yes | 13:56 |
| beagles | s'cool with me | 13:56 |
| baoli | cool | 13:56 |
| heyongli | also fine to me | 13:56 |
| irenab | great | 13:56 |
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| irenab | baoli: wanted to check if you plan some further work on your nova patch till Juno summit | 13:57 |
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| heyongli | in case something changed in our discuss, any patch update seems ... i don't know that | 13:58 |
| baoli | irenab, I don't have a plan yet. It purpose is to facilitate integration with neutron | 13:58 |
| baoli | heyongli, please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82206/ when you have a chance. | 13:59 |
| irenab | I think it can help to promote it to Juno, nova parts take a lot of time to get in | 13:59 |
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| heyongli | baoli, i look at it today but not feedback yet | 13:59 |
| heyongli | i will spend more time on it | 14:00 |
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| sadasu_ | heyongli: what little BP were you talking about earlier? | 14:00 |
| baoli | heyongli, thanks. we need to come up with a resolution. | 14:00 |
| heyongli | sadasu_, i want to split big bp to small one, if possible | 14:00 |
| heyongli | in my plan | 14:00 |
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| baoli | time is up. I have to end this meeting now. Expecting to see the use case doc format so that we can start contributing. | 14:01 |
| baoli | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 25 14:01:38 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| beagles | cheers | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-25-13.05.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-25-13.05.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/pci_passthrough/2014/pci_passthrough.2014-03-25-13.05.log.html | 14:01 |
| baoli | thanks everyone | 14:01 |
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| heyongli | bye | 14:01 |
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| irenab | bye | 14:02 |
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| sadasu_ | thanks everyone | 14:02 |
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| kgriffs | #startmeeting marconi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 25 15:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'marconi' | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: marconi)" | 15:00 | |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:00 |
| balajiiyer | o/ | 15:00 |
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| flwang | \o/ | 15:00 |
| cpallares | o/ | 15:00 |
| alcabrera | \\o// | 15:00 |
| oz_akan_ | hey | 15:00 |
| sriram | \o o/ | 15:00 |
| malini | o/ | 15:00 |
| * alcabrera notices all of Marconi's team members are named after ascii-waving figures | 15:01 | |
| megan_w | o/ | 15:02 |
| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | thanks everyone for coming! | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | #topic graduation review | 15:02 |
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| kgriffs | so, a few gaps I wanted to mention that weren't called out elsewhere | 15:03 |
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| kgriffs | first, everyone please sign up here: https://ask.openstack.org | 15:03 |
| amitgandhi | o/ | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | and watch the "marconi" tag. I think it will email you | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | participation there is a graduation requirement | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | any questions? | 15:04 |
| alcabrera | #action everyone sign up for ask.openstack.org | 15:04 |
| * malini signed up now | 15:04 | |
| alcabrera | #link https://ask.openstack.org | 15:04 |
| * kgriffs gives malini +5 bonus points | 15:04 | |
| * sriram is signed up | 15:04 | |
| kgriffs | rock on. Like I said, please help me watch for questions there. | 15:05 |
| malini | sriram gets +10 bonus points ;) | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | pretty please with a cherry on top | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | :) | 15:05 |
| balajiiyer | *notices marconi is not in the tag cloud* | 15:05 |
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| * sriram woot | 15:05 | |
| balajiiyer | need more questions for marconi ;) | 15:05 |
| malini | balajiiyer: I see marconi | 15:05 |
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| kgriffs | balajiiyer: there are just 1-2 questions so far, but that should be changing over the next several months as we work to get higher visibility | 15:05 |
| balajiiyer | malini: I checked the tag cloud on the home page | 15:05 |
| * amitgandhi is signed up | 15:06 | |
| kgriffs | well, and heck, feel free to post your questions there and encourage friends and family too as well | 15:06 |
| malini | balajiiyer: my home is probably different from yours ;) | 15:06 |
| kgriffs | if we answer common questions "in the open" we build up a nice FAQ | 15:06 |
| sriram | +1 | 15:06 |
| amitgandhi | our faq etherpad should move some of it to here | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | so, when people ask something in IRC or on the ML, maybe we should direct them to Ask for certain types of Q's | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | amitgandhi: good idea! | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | anything an end-user or an operator would want to know, I guess | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | #action everyone to cross-post FAQ for end users and operators on ask.openstack.org | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | ok, next gap | 15:09 |
| malini | are we allowed to do tht in ask? i.e Marconi team creating questions and answers vs questions coming from outside Marconi team? | 15:09 |
| malini | Question for ask maybe | 15:09 |
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| amitgandhi | malini: if its valuable information i say yes | 15:10 |
| amitgandhi | if its a sales pitch then prob not | 15:10 |
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| kgriffs | right, no astroturfing or whatever the correct term is | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | but if it is a good, honest question, no reason to just post there and a different team member can answer | 15:11 |
| flwang | kgriffs: yes, it's just a q&a system can be leveraged to track some useful info | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | It's basically StackOverflow for marconi | 15:12 |
| malini | cool | 15:12 |
| flwang | kgriffs: +1 | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | anyway, only ask something there if you've heard the question come up a couple times in the wild and/or encourage the original questioner to post over there | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | ok, next gap | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | "Project must provide a 2+ person team that will handle the project specific vulnerability process" | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | I need 2 volunteers for this one | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Vulnerability_Management | 15:13 |
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| malini | Is this security related? | 15:13 |
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| alcabrera | what does this even mean? | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | malini: yes | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | ah | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | thanks for the link | 15:13 |
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| alcabrera | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Vulnerability_Management | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | so, they need help with patches, threat modeling, whatever | 15:13 |
| malini | I emailed sriram who works in OSSG y'day, if he is interested in helping us with Security. | 15:13 |
| alcabrera | very good page | 15:13 |
| malini | He is interested in joining us, & will join us in openstack-marconi later (meeting time doesnt work for him) | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | oic | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | so, I can help with this as well | 15:14 |
| malini | He might be a good person to help us with the open security bps as well | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | but, my time is limited. too many fingers in too many pies. :p | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | so, I'd like to still get two other volunteers besides myself | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | ok, well, think on it and we will crystalize that committee next week | 15:15 |
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| kgriffs | sound good? | 15:15 |
| amitgandhi | might be good to pull jdp into this too as he has interest (we can talk offline about it kgriffs) | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | +1 for time to think and crystallize | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | amitgandhi: kk | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | amitgandhi: ping me after | 15:16 |
| alcabrera | oh yes, jdp -- good suggestion, amitgandhi | 15:16 |
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| kgriffs | #action crystalize security swat team for Marconi | 15:16 |
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| kgriffs | one more gap | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | "Project should have engaged with marketing team to check suitable official name" | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | I asked around and the suggestion was to just show up at their next meeting and ask | 15:17 |
| * amitgandhi hopes we dont have to change to macaroni | 15:17 | |
| kgriffs | their mailing list is closed to non-subscribers | 15:17 |
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| kgriffs | amitgandhi: stop it! You're making me hungry! | 15:17 |
| alcabrera | macaroni and openstack cheese | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | mmmm | 15:18 |
| sriram | hah | 15:18 |
| flwang | OpenStack Messaging Service (Marconi) | 15:18 |
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| kgriffs | megan_w: do you have time on thursday at 11 central to attend the next marketing team meeting? | 15:18 |
| megan_w | kgriffs: yes, i'll plan to attend | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | ok, here is the info on the team and meeting time | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/Marketing | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/Marketing | 15:19 |
| kgriffs | #action megan_w to attend marketing meeting | 15:19 |
| megan_w | thanks | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | megan_w: they should have an open discussion time at the end and we can ask them about that graduation requirement | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | thanks for your help! | 15:20 |
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| megan_w | sounds good | 15:20 |
| megan_w | np | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | I'll try to be there too. | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to attend marketing meeting | 15:21 |
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| kgriffs | ok, so those are the remaining gaps that I am aware of at this point. | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | I noticed some more patches to the governance requirements doc, but I think we are already doing those | 15:22 |
| alcabrera | #info gaps summary: ask participation, vulnerability handling team, marketing counsel <-> marconi name | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | otherwise, as everyone is aware, we have been working on an etherpad to collect everyones thoughts on "what's next" | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-incubation-round-2 | 15:23 |
| kgriffs | please continue editing and contributing there. | 15:23 |
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| kgriffs | We will need to start crystalizing all this soon | 15:24 |
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| kgriffs | #action everyone to provide feedback on the incubation pad and discuss questions/ideas/concerns | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | make sense? | 15:24 |
| alcabrera | yup | 15:25 |
| alcabrera | I'll take a look some time today. :) | 15:25 |
| flwang | kgriffs: yes | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | thanks! | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | #topic ATL summit | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | anyone have anything they want to mention on this topic? | 15:25 |
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| megan_w | i'll be there if you guys need any business-y support | 15:26 |
| kgriffs | sweet | 15:26 |
| malini | megan_w: we need more money ;) | 15:26 |
| megan_w | i'm also working to get some use cases/testimonies together of people using marconi in productions | 15:26 |
| alcabrera | lol, malini | 15:26 |
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| flwang | megan_w: is there any sessions about best practice of Marconi? | 15:27 |
| megan_w | flwang: not sure | 15:27 |
| flwang | deployment, GUI support, operations, etc | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | flwang: you mean an OS talk or workshop? | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | sorry | 15:27 |
| flwang | kgriffs: yep | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | s/OS/summit | 15:27 |
| amitgandhi | oz_akan_ is doing the ops/deployment stuff right? | 15:27 |
| kgriffs | so, I'm glad you brought that up. reminds me that I needed to tell everyone | 15:27 |
| flwang | kgriffs: I'm going to start some work about this, so just curious if there is a session I can get some useful info :D | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | for whatever reason, not a single one of the proposed talks was accepted by the track chairs | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | and the workshop was accepted as an "alternate" in case a different workshop is cancelled | 15:28 |
| alcabrera | We have "Hands On w/ Marconi" as an alternate | 15:28 |
| flwang | kgriffs: so? we only have design session slots? | 15:28 |
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| alcabrera | yup | 15:28 |
| amitgandhi | flwang: GUI support is almost there - i think horizon work was mostly done, but ran into some keystone related issues... | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | so, we have the following venues | 15:28 |
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| kgriffs | 1. marconi design sessions | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | 2. other projects design sessions (several projects are interested in integrating with marconi) | 15:29 |
| flwang | amitgandhi: cool, thanks for that info | 15:29 |
| flwang | amitgandhi: will it be completed in Icehouse? | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | 3. there are some kind of 15 minutes talks going on - not sure if they are "summit" or some parallel conference that happens to be in the same location. :p | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | flaper87 is watching for more info about #3 | 15:30 |
| amitgandhi | flwang: prob not. last i heard jay-atl was working with flavio on the way marconi - keystone integration was happening. I think that work has stalled | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | 4. Project "Pod". Each project gets a dedicated hang-out / mini unconference table | 15:30 |
| flwang | kgriffs: AFAIK, some companies are interested in porting Marconi in production env, so it would be super cool to have an operations session | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | flwang: oz_akan_ proposed a talk on that. Maybe we can trim it to 15 minutes | 15:31 |
| kgriffs | (to get it into venue #3) | 15:31 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 15:32 |
| flwang | kgriffs: it would be nice, thanks | 15:32 |
| flaper87 | back | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | flwang: I think we should do a few screencasts and put them on the wiki too | 15:32 |
| flwang | kgriffs: good idea, I can work with oz_akan_ to make it happen | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | rock on | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | I added a note to the etherpad | 15:32 |
| flwang | kgriffs: because I'm trying to setup it :) | 15:32 |
| kgriffs | during Juno I want to totally rock out on our docs | 15:33 |
| flwang | more production deployment, more feedbacks, more stable | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | flwang: cool, let's get that recorded | 15:33 |
| flwang | kgriffs: love it | 15:33 |
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| kgriffs | even if it just used pop-up bubbles rather than voice over, that would be super awesome | 15:33 |
| flaper87 | actually, lemme take that back. gtg again! (I started the FAQ here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/draft-marconi-faq add comments ) | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: ttfn | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/draft-marconi-faq | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | speaking of docs, heh | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera, megan_w, malini: can you help with the FAQ? | 15:34 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: sure thing | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | flwang: you too | 15:35 |
| malini | kgriffs: of course | 15:35 |
| megan_w | sure | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | :D | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | #action core team to contribute to the FAQ | 15:35 |
| sriram | +1 for the FAQ, I'll help around where I can as well. | 15:35 |
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| malini | sriram: wooot | 15:35 |
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| kgriffs | #topic review updates to the API v1.1 spec | 15:36 |
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| kgriffs | darn, flaper87 is MIA again. | 15:36 |
| * kgriffs sad panda | 15:36 | |
| alcabrera | we'll never get to have nice things. :( | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | let's review pop semantics today | 15:37 |
| alcabrera | works for me | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | "Added new "pop" semantics for claiming and deleting messages in a single request. Note that this should only be used when an application is OK with the risk of missing a message when a worker crashes." | 15:37 |
| kgriffs | so, a little background | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | this idea arose independently from two sources | 15:38 |
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| kgriffs | first, was the request to add it because it would make it easier to map marconi semantics to AMQP | 15:38 |
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| kgriffs | second, I actually spoke with someone who is planning to use Marconi and they requested this feature for processing certain kinds of events, and they were willing to make the durability tradeoff | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | my first stab at this was adding it to the DELETE messages operation: | 15:39 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/api/v1.1#Delete_Multiple_Messages | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | would that be a multi-pop, kgriffs? | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | I'd like to get everyones thoughts and suggestions | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: yes, you can set pop=N | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | gotcha -- interesting | 15:40 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: that was also requested by the user | 15:40 |
| alcabrera | so, my initial thoughts | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | are that this POP functionality is valuable | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | I've used a variant of it already | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | which a sort of claim and delete one at a atime | 15:41 |
| flwang | kgriffs: is it a new endpoint? | 15:41 |
| alcabrera | **which is a | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | flwang: no, it is adding additional semantics to the existing messages resource | 15:42 |
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| flwang | delete-bulk? | 15:42 |
| flwang | or like pop-bulk? | 15:42 |
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| kgriffs | yeah. basically, you can delete all messages, a few by ID, or N. In the last case, the deleted messages are returned to you, and there is a guarantee that nobody else will delete those same messages. | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | "pop specifies a certain number of messages to pop off the queue, which is equivalent to claiming and deleting those messages atomically (therefore guaranteeing once-and-only-once delivery)" | 15:44 |
| sriram | I think pop makes it much easier to issue a request, rather than supply a large number of ids. | 15:44 |
| megan_w | sriram: agreed | 15:44 |
| vkmc | o/ *catching up* | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | depends on what you are trying to do | 15:44 |
| alcabrera | vkmc: :) | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: hi! | 15:45 |
| malini | kgriffs: pop will be done in a single call ? | 15:45 |
| vkmc | Adding a pop function certainly simplifies automation, I like that! | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | HTTP DELETE /queues/{q}/messages?ids=[1, 2, 3]&pop=3 -- what would this do? | 15:45 |
| alcabrera | does 'pop' gather from the front of the queue? | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | malini: yes, a single call. you trade off the safety of the two-phase claim+delete for improved performance/convenience | 15:46 |
| flwang | kgriffs: yep, what's the http url looks like? | 15:46 |
| sriram | alcabrera: +1 good question | 15:46 |
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| vkmc | Yeah, it may be confusing to use pop with ids | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | http DELETE marconi.example.org/queues/videos/messages?pop=10 | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | if you specify both ids and pop, pop is ignored | 15:47 |
| malini | But DELETE currently just returns a 204 | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | you really are supposed to use one or the other | 15:47 |
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| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:47 |
| alcabrera | tempts me in the direction of a new endpoint | 15:48 |
| malini | we probably want to return a message & delete it | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | I'm not super happy about having the exclusive-or semantic, but this was the best I thought of so far short of coming up with a new resource | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | HTTP POST /queues/videos/pop?n=10 | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | or even | 15:48 |
| malini | why not just claim? | 15:48 |
| alcabrera | HTTP POST /queues/videos/messages/pop?n=10 | 15:48 |
| malini | HTTP CLAIM /queues/videos/pop?n=10 | 15:49 |
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| alcabrera | because CLAIM isn't an HTTP verb, malini. :( | 15:49 |
| malini | grr.. :D | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | hehe | 15:49 |
| sriram | so does popping follow any order here? | 15:49 |
| malini | I will drink more coffee before next meeting ;) | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | malini: because the client doesn't want to make two requests, and also this semantic may make it easier to support broker-based backends, in which case I guess we would say for those backends the two-step claim isn't available? | 15:49 |
| alcabrera | I'd love to avoid overloading endpoints. Different functionality should have a different interface. | 15:50 |
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| kgriffs | well, technically, there isn't anything wrong with coming up with custom HTTP verbs, but I know people will say WAH?! if we do that. :p | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: mmm, noted. However, remember this isn't RPC over HTTP either. We have to work in terms of resources, and IDK that a "pop" resource makes any sense. | 15:51 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 15:51 |
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| alcabrera | fair enough | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | there may be another way, don't get me wrong | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | we just need to work within the architectural style we've chosen | 15:51 |
| amitgandhi | +1 for not having a resource called pop | 15:52 |
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| kgriffs | #info try to find a way to not have mutually exclusive query string params on a single resource | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | PopResource | 15:52 |
| alcabrera | heh | 15:52 |
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| kgriffs | let me play with it and we can revisit next time | 15:53 |
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| alcabrera | +1 | 15:53 |
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| flwang | pop most like an action, not a new resouse | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | yep | 15:54 |
| flwang | so i prefer to don't implement it with a new endpoint | 15:54 |
| sriram | yeah | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | ok, last thing - we have a couple days before rc1 is cut. | 15:54 |
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| kgriffs | Let's discuss the remaining bugs in #openstack-marconi | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
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| malini | can we start doing some retros in g+ ? | 15:55 |
| malini | what we are doing well, where we can improve? | 15:55 |
| malini | especially focusing around graduation | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | malini: how often would you propose? | 15:55 |
| malini | every 3 weeks /month | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | milestone releases are about every 4 i think | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | that may be a natural time to do them, but may not be often enough | 15:56 |
| alcabrera | I'm partial to once a month | 15:57 |
| flwang | sounds like reflections :) | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | I really like the idea of a retro/reflections | 15:57 |
| malini | flwang: yes :) | 15:57 |
| alcabrera | for team-marconi | 15:57 |
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| kgriffs | so, +1 for retrospectives | 15:57 |
| flwang | +1 | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | we would have two parts: (1) reflect on our development process and community | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | (2) up-periscope on graduation | 15:58 |
| megan_w | +1 | 15:58 |
| malini | kgriffs: +1 | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | monthly sounds good | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | in some sense | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | flaper87 is having such a thing in two days | 15:58 |
| alcabrera | the marconi g+ hangout | 15:59 |
| malini | But tht's more of an FAQ , rt? | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | it might be | 15:59 |
| malini | this is for the team to reflect | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | I've lost track of the vision behind that particular hang out. >.> | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | Though, I like it. :) | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | ok, g+ is useful until we get full. Also you trade having logs for higher-bandwidth communication. | 15:59 |
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| malini | am ok with anything where we can talk, rather than type | 15:59 |
| alcabrera | and human-to-human voice | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | visual? | 15:59 |
| malini | visual wud be nice to have, not mandatory | 16:00 |
| flwang | google hangouts | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | #action set up monthly v&v meetings | 16:00 |
| alcabrera | +1 | 16:00 |
| megan_w | FWIW, g+ doesn't work great past 8 people | 16:00 |
| malini | flwang: has a 10 person limit | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | #action kgriffs to set up monthly v&v meetings | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | ok, let's continue this chat over in #openstack-marconi | 16:01 |
| amitgandhi | we'll all hangout by malini's machine | 16:01 |
| amitgandhi | ;-) | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 25 16:01:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-25-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-25-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/marconi/2014/marconi.2014-03-25-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| alcabrera | I'll copy minutes over. | 16:02 |
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| kgriffs | alcabrera: thanks! | 16:03 |
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| ativelkov | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 25 17:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ativelkov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| tsufiev_ | hello | 17:00 |
| ativelkov | Hi folks. Anybody here for Murano meeting? | 17:00 |
| ativelkov | Identify yourself please | 17:00 |
| katyafervent2 | Hi! | 17:00 |
| tsufiev_ | not much... | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:01 |
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| ativelkov | Less people - faster meeting :) | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | We have agenda here | 17:02 |
| ativelkov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda#Agenda | 17:02 |
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| ativelkov | Not much agenda items as well, I believe | 17:02 |
| dteselkin | Hi! | 17:02 |
| tsufiev_ | api&formats versioning is missing :( | 17:03 |
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| tsufiev_ | sorry, it is in place | 17:03 |
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| ativelkov | probably it is becuase I update it not too long ago | 17:03 |
| ativelkov | So, let's begin | 17:03 |
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| ativelkov | #topic AI review | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AI review (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:04 | |
| ativelkov | We didn't make any formal AIs last time | 17:04 |
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| ativelkov | however we made an important decision: we've decided to get rid of murano-comon repository | 17:05 |
| ruhe | murano-common is already merged in murano-api | 17:05 |
| katyafervent2 | Cool! Thanks ruhe | 17:05 |
| ruhe | and i'm working on merging it into murano-agent | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | Cool! | 17:05 |
| ativelkov | #info murano-common is already merged in murano-api | 17:06 |
| ruhe | where i've got stuck a little bit because i need to test that i didn't break anything :) | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | #info merging of murano-common into murano-agent is in progress | 17:06 |
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| ruhe | and our CI is not yet ready to test changes in murano-agent | 17:06 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: you mean linux-based one? | 17:07 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: yes | 17:07 |
| ruhe | i hope we'll create jobs for murano-agent changes in our CI | 17:08 |
| ruhe | right after the release | 17:08 |
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| ativelkov | I would prefer first to have a cloud-init-deployable murano-agent instead of embedding it to image | 17:09 |
| ativelkov | This will simplify the development of the agent | 17:09 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: agree. that should be the first priority | 17:10 |
| sergmelikyan | +1 | 17:10 |
| ativelkov | and will make sence in having CI on it. Otherwise there is no continuous development at the first place | 17:10 |
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| ativelkov | Are we agreed on that? | 17:10 |
| dteselkin | +1 | 17:11 |
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| ruhe | +1 | 17:11 |
| tsufiev_ | +1 | 17:11 |
| katyafervent2 | +1 | 17:11 |
| stanlagun | +1 | 17:11 |
| ativelkov | #agreed to make a priority to create a cloud-init deployable agent after 0.5 is released | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | Do we have a blueprint for this change? | 17:12 |
| stanlagun | do we know how to do it? | 17:12 |
| ruhe | does this agreement include windows-based agent? :) | 17:12 |
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| ruhe | stanlagun: we're engineers, we'll figure it out ;) | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: we plan to run python-agent on windows as well | 17:13 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov: hooray! one agent to rule them all | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | It will just need to learn how to execute powershell-based execution plans, afair | 17:13 |
| dteselkin | As for windows-agent, testing it on VM will require a powerfull system :) | 17:13 |
| stanlagun | as soon as we teach pthon-agent to execute PowerShell | 17:14 |
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| ruhe | activestate python might have these capabilities | 17:14 |
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| ativelkov | stanlagun: any estimates on how difficult it may be? | 17:15 |
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| stanlagun | any python have these capabilities. It is just not that trivial to implement | 17:15 |
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| dteselkin | We could simply call external powershell.exe application. | 17:15 |
| stanlagun | not that simple. My estimation is up to 3 days | 17:15 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: 3 days compared to 6 month release cycle sound good to me | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | well, "up to 3 days" is quite fine | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | it would be a problem it were months | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | days is quite ok | 17:16 |
| stanlagun | And several days more to turn python-agent into Windows service | 17:17 |
| dteselkin | So we should add a new dependecy into our image builder - python | 17:17 |
| ativelkov | But I didn't get any answer about blueprint, so I assume there is no BP | 17:17 |
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| ativelkov | dteselkin: eventual goal of this activity is to avoid using image builder at all | 17:17 |
| dteselkin | How will we build windows images then? | 17:17 |
| stanlagun | why do we need to build them? | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | well, for windows the customers will have to embed cloud-base init into the images, that's true | 17:18 |
| ativelkov | but this should be the only thing to embed | 17:18 |
| dteselkin | +python | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | python should be installable in the same manner as everuthing else | 17:19 |
| ativelkov | with cloud-base-init | 17:19 |
| dteselkin | cloud-init embeds it's oun python | 17:19 |
| dteselkin | *own | 17:19 |
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| dteselkin | it doesn't install it system-wide | 17:19 |
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| ruhe | well, in some cases users might prefer to have images with everythin pre-installed. disk-image-builder will do the job for linux images | 17:19 |
| stanlagun | can agent use it as well? | 17:19 |
| dteselkin | use what ? | 17:20 |
| stanlagun | We are not going to drop image builder. But the goal is that it would be optional | 17:20 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: +1 | 17:20 |
| dteselkin | It's ok I think | 17:20 |
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| ativelkov | So, do we have a volunteer to create a BP for cloud-init-deployable agent? | 17:21 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: o/ | 17:21 |
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| ativelkov | thanks | 17:21 |
| ativelkov | #action ruhe to create a BP on cloud-init-deployable agent | 17:21 |
| ativelkov | dteselkin: if I understand stanlagun's question, he asks if the python which was installed by cloud-init may be made available to other services (i.e. to our agent)? | 17:22 |
| ruhe | i'll create the BP, but we'll need to brain-storm possible implementations in a group | 17:22 |
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| ativelkov | ruhe: sure. The questions is harder then it seems, as the repository for installable artifacts should be available even if the internet connectivity is not present | 17:23 |
| ruhe | ativelkov: dteselkin: stanlagun: linux's cloud-init uses system python. actually all the major distros have python pre-installed | 17:23 |
| dteselkin | ativelkov, it should be tested. In theory, it's possible, but doesn't look like a good idea | 17:24 |
| dteselkin | ruhe, in linux - yes | 17:24 |
| dteselkin | But windows doesn't have it preinstalled of course | 17:24 |
| ativelkov | ruhe: this mostly concerns windows, as it does not have neither python nor a simple (apt-get like) way to deploy it | 17:24 |
| dteselkin | So to have unified agent really unufied I think it's better to add system wide python to windows | 17:25 |
| stanlagun | ativelkov: If we inject cloud-init into Windows image we can inject Python as well. Or use cloud-init's one. Lets do a little research on it | 17:25 |
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| ruhe | eh, windows users are used to perform a lot of manual work. i think they wouldn't complain if they'll have to build images with murano agent by themselves | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | ok | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | Anyway, we are now way too far in the future | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | we still have 0.5 at hand | 17:25 |
| ativelkov | Let's proceed with the agenda | 17:26 |
| ativelkov | #topic API versioning | 17:26 |
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| ativelkov | tsufiev_: please lead this | 17:26 |
| tsufiev_ | ok | 17:26 |
| tsufiev_ | so, the first and most obvious question: to what extent should each new version of murano components support older formats and apis? | 17:27 |
| tsufiev_ | or more narrow question: should murano 0.5 dynamic UI processor support v.1 dynamic UI definitions (pre 0.5)? | 17:28 |
| stanlagun | I stand for Murano consistency. Dashboard version X guarantee to work with API version X only | 17:28 |
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| ruhe | at this point i'd prefer to support only one version - current version. across all the projects in the same release | 17:29 |
| katyafervent2 | +1 to stanlagun | 17:29 |
| sergmelikyan | Ruhe, stanlagun +1 | 17:29 |
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| stanlagun | There is no point in supporting old UI forms without supporting XML workflows and old APIs as well | 17:29 |
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| tsufiev_ | for now that seems ok for me, but it can change in future, when there will be much more Murano resources of a certain version | 17:29 |
| stanlagun | lets leave it till Murano 1.0 | 17:30 |
| tsufiev_ | will it be ok for current murano customers? | 17:30 |
| ruhe | we could think about it from a different point of view - what should be the upgrade path for Murano users? but, indeed, that's a questions for future | 17:30 |
| stanlagun | we are breaking backward compatibility anyway | 17:30 |
| stanlagun | and probably will do it again in 0.6 | 17:30 |
| ativelkov | What I suggest is to always have a format classifier in all files | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | DSL, UI definitions, object models, etc | 17:31 |
| tsufiev_ | i agree, breaking dynamic UI format backward compatibility seems minor issue comparing with the dropping out of all workflows :) | 17:31 |
| ativelkov | just to fix the format | 17:31 |
| stanlagun | Yes. But maybe not Version | 17:31 |
| tsufiev_ | stanlagun: why not? | 17:32 |
| stanlagun | or not just Version | 17:32 |
| stanlagun | Maybe MinimumMuranoVersion | 17:32 |
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| tsufiev_ | could you elaborate it a bit? | 17:32 |
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| stanlagun | Suppose that your form uses some YAQL function that was introduced in version x.y.z. But the format of the form hasn't changed | 17:33 |
| ativelkov | MinimumMuranoVersion and similar params should be part of Package metadata | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | not for forms | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | This is entirely different topic | 17:34 |
| stanlagun | Every template should have minimum required Murano version that can handle it | 17:34 |
| stanlagun | forms also use YAQL functions | 17:34 |
| ativelkov | There shluld also be a Minimum Openstack version ) | 17:34 |
| stanlagun | Maybe that too for things that depend on OpenStack | 17:34 |
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| ativelkov | stanlagun: I would suggest to have these constraint on a per-package basis | 17:35 |
| tsufiev_ | ativelkov: agree, there will be a lot of dependencies ) | 17:35 |
| ruhe | other approach - document changes and give users clear upgrade path instructions | 17:35 |
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| stanlagun | ativelkov: agree | 17:35 |
| tsufiev_ | ativelkov: +1 | 17:35 |
| tsufiev_ | still each file should denote its format version | 17:36 |
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| ativelkov | but format is format, so there should be a clear format identifyer for each document | 17:36 |
| ativelkov | tsufiev_: +1 ) | 17:36 |
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| tsufiev_ | will simple numeric format like '1', '2' be enough for us? | 17:37 |
| stanlagun | okay until you don't have to support older versions till 1.0 | 17:37 |
| ativelkov | For packages I've started from 1.0 | 17:37 |
| stanlagun | tsufiev_: does it really important? | 17:37 |
| stanlagun | 1 = 1.0. | 17:37 |
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| katyafervent2 | we can have 1 and 1.1 at the same time | 17:38 |
| tsufiev_ | stanlagun: it is important, because once we agree on it, we won't change it | 17:38 |
| stanlagun | lets assume it is just a number | 17:38 |
| tsufiev_ | i vote for the integers | 17:39 |
| stanlagun | as soon as we would need something ather than 1 we get back on this and discuss on 1.2 vs 2.0 | 17:39 |
| tsufiev_ | keeps things simple | 17:39 |
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| stanlagun | this is Python. You just non need to think about this | 17:39 |
| tsufiev_ | stanlagun: but you're right, don't need to bother, cause YAML-parser does it for us | 17:40 |
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| ruhe | i personally don't care until we really need versioning. we're in active development stage now, and will be for the next 6 months | 17:40 |
| stanlagun | yep. So this doesn't affect any code you may write to support it | 17:40 |
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| ativelkov | Seems we are agreed here | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | moving on? | 17:41 |
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| tsufiev_ | yes | 17:41 |
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| ativelkov | #topic MuranoPL package name | 17:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "MuranoPL package name (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:41 | |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: can you lead this? | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | ativelkov, sure! | 17:42 |
| stanlagun | Can you explain the topic? | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | We selecting name of the package were core of our Murano PL going to be placed. | 17:42 |
| stanlagun | Have we discussed MuranoPL namespaces? | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | stanlagun, not yet | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | package will have name like muranoapi.<name> | 17:43 |
| stanlagun | I thought you were talking about AppCatalog package (zip file) | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | I suggest name "engine", are there any other suggestions? | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | Lets select most popular one | 17:44 |
| ativelkov | I like "dsl" and "pl" | 17:44 |
| stanlagun | engine is already used | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | *language | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | sorry | 17:44 |
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| tsufiev_ | +1 for pl | 17:44 |
| ruhe | it's a turing-complete language. so... pl | 17:44 |
| stanlagun | +1 for dsl. pl is too confusing. Looks like Perl extension | 17:45 |
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| ativelkov | pl/dsl - same as pl/sql :) | 17:45 |
| tsufiev_ | stanlagun: lol, haven't thought about perl ) | 17:45 |
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| ruhe | ativelkov: we might get sued by you-know-who :) | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | but pl in pl/sql is procedure language ;) | 17:46 |
| stanlagun | pl/sql without sql is nothing. We should not make an impression that MuranoPL is GP-language like Python | 17:46 |
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| ativelkov | I would prefer 3-characters naming | 17:46 |
| sergmelikyan | ruhe, dsl does not mean not turing-complete language. | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | So, we have options "language", "pl", "dsl" - right? | 17:47 |
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| ativelkov | any other options? I want to make a vote | 17:47 |
| stanlagun | mpl | 17:47 |
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| ruhe | democratic vote agian? :) | 17:47 |
| tsufiev_ | mpl is nice too | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | Yes, I nlike votings | 17:47 |
| ativelkov | they are better then fightings ) | 17:48 |
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| ativelkov | #startvote Which name should we choose? pl, dsl, mpl, language | 17:48 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Which name should we choose? Valid vote options are pl, dsl, mpl, language. | 17:48 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:48 |
| ativelkov | #vote dsl | 17:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | #vote dsl | 17:49 |
| katyafervent2 | #vote pl | 17:49 |
| stanlagun | #vote dsl | 17:49 |
| ruhe | #vote abstain | 17:49 |
| openstack | ruhe: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are pl, dsl, mpl, language. | 17:49 |
| dteselkin | #vote dsl | 17:49 |
| tsufiev_ | #vote dsl | 17:49 |
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| ativelkov | Anybody else? | 17:50 |
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| ativelkov | #endvote | 17:50 |
| openstack | Voted on "Which name should we choose?" Results are | 17:50 |
| openstack | dsl (5): tsufiev_, stanlagun, dteselkin, ativelkov, sergmelikyan | 17:50 |
| openstack | pl (1): katyafervent2 | 17:50 |
| ativelkov | #agreed so it is dsl | 17:50 |
| stanlagun | we also need to choose murano.dsl vs murano.eninge.dsl | 17:51 |
| ruhe | stanlagun: what option do you prefer? | 17:51 |
| stanlagun | murano.dsl | 17:51 |
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| ruhe | then i vote murano.dsl :) | 17:51 |
| ativelkov | I like the first one. It is shorter (pep8 <80 hehe) and dsl has its value regardless of the engine which uses it | 17:52 |
| ativelkov | No objections? | 17:52 |
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| ativelkov | #agreed Put dsl package on the top level inside murano | 17:52 |
| ativelkov | #topic Open Discussion | 17:53 |
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| ativelkov | Any open issues or questions to discuss? | 17:53 |
| sergmelikyan | package namespaces? | 17:53 |
| stanlagun | I think it would be best to ask comunity in ML | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | sergmelikyan: please elaborate | 17:54 |
| sergmelikyan | All classed declared in MuranoPL should be placed in some namespaces. For now it is org.openstack, e.g. org.openstack.Oject | 17:55 |
| stanlagun | org.openstack.murano.Object vs com.mirantis.murano.Objects vs something else | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | ah | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | I see | 17:55 |
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| ativelkov | I would prefer it to be org.openstack.murano, however there is a legal issue here | 17:55 |
| stanlagun | maybe have just murano.XXX for system classes | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | or, there may be a legal issue | 17:55 |
| stanlagun | or system.XXX | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | I would have it uniform and bound to domains - just to discurouge others from doing something.else | 17:56 |
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| stanlagun | makes sence | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | but the question "Are we allowed to use foundation-owned domain for this | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | but the question "Are we allowed to use foundation-owned domain for this" remain open | 17:57 |
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| stanlagun | The question is who can answer such question | 17:57 |
| ativelkov | Foundation | 17:57 |
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| stanlagun | Do you know to question Foundation? | 17:57 |
| ruhe | i'd prefer to avoid OpenStack name in our project until Murano gets official status | 17:57 |
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| stanlagun | It might be too late to change it then | 17:58 |
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| ruhe | that's one of the rights projects get when they get integrated status - they can officialy use OpenStack brand | 17:58 |
| ruhe | that's how i understand that | 17:59 |
| stanlagun | We are going to do everything possible to keep backward compatibility starting from some version (say 1.0) | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | That is not the brand usage | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | That is just the identifier | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | Anyway, we can explain our concerns and as the mailing list for advice. Foundation members monitor it | 17:59 |
| stanlagun | Maybe register dedicated murano domain? org.murano-project.system.Object :) | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | This is a nice option, btw | 18:00 |
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| ruhe | who's going to own murano-project.org? Murano foundation? :) | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | ) | 18:00 |
| ruhe | oops, out of time | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | oops, yes. | 18:01 |
| ativelkov | Ok, continue next time then | 18:01 |
| ativelkov | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 25 18:01:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| stanlagun | This would be Mirantis gift for Foundation in trade for integrated status | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-03-25-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2014/murano.2014-03-25-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
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| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 25 19:02:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 19:02 |
| derekh | hi | 19:02 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 19:03 |
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| jprovazn | hi | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 19:03 | |
| lifeless | bugs | 19:03 |
| lifeless | reviews | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:03 |
| lifeless | CD Cloud status | 19:03 |
| lifeless | CI | 19:03 |
| lifeless | Insert one-off agenda items here | 19:03 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 19:03 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 19:03 |
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| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 19:04 |
| lifeless | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 19:04 |
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| lifeless | so first up, untriaged stuff... | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ has 4 untriaged bugs | 19:05 |
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| lifeless | and so does https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo | 19:06 |
| derekh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1290541 is fix I believe | 19:06 |
| lifeless | any suggests for keeping on top of that other than saying 'we need to try harder' ? | 19:06 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | a script that will collect untriaged bugs and post a list of those to #tripleo periodically? | 19:08 |
| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: sounds cool. are you wolunteering ? | 19:08 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: sure | 19:08 |
| lifeless | \o/ | 19:08 |
| lifeless | #action rpodolyaka1 to make an untriaged nag bot | 19:08 |
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| lifeless | criticals... | 19:09 |
| greghaynes | The dib bugs all have asignee's, just no importance :/ | 19:09 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: that typically means self filed-and-assigned, which is where folk need guidance | 19:10 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: e.g. its an antipattern all of its own | 19:10 |
| matty_dubs | So, as someone not too actively working on TripleO, it occurs to me -- if a whole team of people is supposed to be doing triage, but no one is, that tells me that people really don't care about triage. | 19:10 |
| matty_dubs | Or the problem would be self-correcting. | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | matty_dubs: or that triage is hard/annoying/painful - not doing doesn't imply not caring | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | matty_dubs: (see 'Switch' for citations on that) | 19:11 |
| matty_dubs | Yeah, true enough. | 19:11 |
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| lifeless | erm, I mean 'not doing doesn't *only* imply not caring' | 19:12 |
| jistr | i think the bot rpodolyaka1 mentioned would help a good bit. For me the most annoying thing about triage is looking if there are any untriaged bugs. | 19:12 |
| jistr | e.g. having to look per-project | 19:12 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical | 19:12 |
| derekh | according to logstash we havn't had any occurrences of https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1292141 in ci since upping the pip timeout, we should close it and reopen another for a local pip chache (no longer critical) | 19:12 |
| lifeless | jistr: yeah, its quite terrible | 19:12 |
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| lifeless | derekh: I saw a different error string, but still a pypi issue last night | 19:13 |
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| derekh | lifeless: any idea where? or what the error was? | 19:13 |
| lifeless | derekh: broke my dib less cp's patch (which was broken for other reasons, but spurious fail is still a problem) | 19:13 |
| lifeless | derekh: sec | 19:13 |
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| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82683/ http://logs.openstack.org/83/82683/1/check-tripleo/check-tripleo-seed-precise/1f5ff5b/console.html | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 2014-03-25 01:25:40.327 | data = self._sock.recv(left) | 19:14 |
| lifeless | 2014-03-25 01:25:40.327 | error: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer | 19:14 |
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| lifeless | derekh: so, I think we need more error strings for network / pip fails, and the bug is still really important - but if the data doesn't support that, sure, lets downgrade. | 19:15 |
| lifeless | are 1293782 and 1295703 the same issue ? | 19:16 |
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| lifeless | ah the flow one is fixed | 19:17 |
| derekh | lifeless: ok, will downgrade, the error quoted in the bug seems to be gone, or close and open a new one? | 19:17 |
| slagle_ | i submitted a couple reviews this morning for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1270646 | 19:17 |
| lifeless | derekh: IMO given two bugs with the same cause and different symptoms we should dupe them :) | 19:18 |
| derekh | lifeless: k | 19:18 |
| lifeless | derekh: so I'm not sure there is any benefit shuffling the metadata around - we depend on a network resource that isn't reliable - thats the bug | 19:18 |
| slagle_ | i think we should really consider just making the default mtu be 1400 in the dnsmasq options for neutron-dhcp-agent | 19:18 |
| slagle_ | on the overcloud | 19:18 |
| slagle_ | it fixes the issue for me | 19:18 |
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| derekh | lifeless: yes but this particular problem wasn't specific to our netwrok (or at least may not be), I put a similar fix into devstack and it seems to have gotten rid of the bug there also, anyways getting sidetracked | 19:19 |
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| lifeless | slagle: I'm torn. Its clearly not a deployment caused bug. So yes, doing the workaround is appropriate. | 19:20 |
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| lifeless | slagle: OTOH OMG WTF ARE THEY THINKING, DONT MESS WITH THE END TO END SIGNALLING MECHANISMS! | 19:21 |
| slagle | i don't feel like i have enough networking expertise to say that using 1400 is "right" thing | 19:21 |
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| slagle | but...all the solutions i can find online just say to use it and be done with it | 19:21 |
| lifeless | lets talk after the meeting briefly | 19:21 |
| slagle | could just be collective ignorance :) | 19:22 |
| lifeless | what about 1290490 ? | 19:22 |
| lifeless | and 1292141 ? | 19:22 |
| lifeless | ah 141 is what derekh mentioned | 19:22 |
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| GheRivero | downgrading the MTU is a must as it's now | 19:22 |
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| lifeless | I've retitled 141 | 19:24 |
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| lifeless | derekh: ^ | 19:25 |
| derekh | lifeless: cool, ok to downgrad to hig? since its not as common as it was ? | 19:26 |
| derekh | *high | 19:26 |
| lifeless | derekh: sure | 19:26 |
| lifeless | I'd like to downgrade https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1290490 too | 19:26 |
| lifeless | any objetions ? | 19:26 |
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| derekh | lifeless: looks like it happens about 3 times a day, interestingly in the last week mostly happened on the 21st | 19:28 |
| lifeless | 1290490 ? | 19:29 |
| derekh | lifeless: yup | 19:29 |
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| derekh | lifeless: anyways no objection from me, just info | 19:30 |
| lifeless | huh, I didn't realise 1290490 was hitting CI | 19:30 |
| lifeless | if it is, I think it is still very important | 19:31 |
| lifeless | derekh: got pointers? | 19:31 |
| lifeless | ok what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1271344 ? | 19:31 |
| derekh | lifeless: I'll refine my search later to ensure I'm seraching on the correct thing | 19:31 |
| lifeless | I think we can downgrade https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1271344 - its very important but not breaking CI at the moment, right ? | 19:32 |
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| derekh | lifeless: correct, at least I haven't seen it | 19:34 |
| lifeless | ok | 19:34 |
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| lifeless | ok, time to move on | 19:37 |
| lifeless | we've touched on all the criticals for which people are here, I believe. | 19:37 |
| lifeless | #topic reviews | 19:37 |
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| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 19:37 |
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| lifeless | 19:37 | |
| lifeless | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 19:37 |
| lifeless | Average wait time: 5 days, 6 hours, 2 minutes | 19:37 |
| lifeless | 1rd quartile wait time: 0 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes | 19:37 |
| lifeless | Median wait time: 3 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes | 19:37 |
| lifeless | 3rd quartile wait time: 5 days, 23 hours, 7 minutes | 19:37 |
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| lifeless | we're in trouble :( | 19:37 |
| lifeless | any thoughts on why? | 19:38 |
| derekh | lifeless: lots more people on the team and no more cores | 19:38 |
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| slagle | +1 | 19:38 |
| derekh | lifeless: oh and I could do better too | 19:38 |
| lifeless | http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt if we want to look at reviewer activity | 19:39 |
| lifeless | only 6 people doing more than 3 reviews a day on average | 19:39 |
| Ng | I've fallen way behind where I was :/ | 19:39 |
| lifeless | derekh: # of cores doesn't affect the stats above | 19:39 |
| slagle | maybe we should have a review day or afternoon | 19:40 |
| * slagle steals idea from ironic | 19:40 | |
| lifeless | derekh: because - if the patch is ready, cores can rubber stamp and go very fast | 19:40 |
| lifeless | slagle: maybe!. I'd be quite keen on that if it looked like we're overloaded, but what the stats above say to me is that we've collectively stopped pushing as a community | 19:41 |
| lifeless | also | 19:41 |
| lifeless | a lot of the new contributors are not yet reviewing consistently | 19:41 |
| lifeless | like 1 review or so, and (from what I've seen) primarily on patches they need (e.g. from colleagues fixing something affecting them) | 19:42 |
| devananda | slagle: that we have review days is a symptom of cores not reviewing steadily IMHO | 19:42 |
| lifeless | which isn't a bad thing | 19:42 |
| andreaf | lifeless: e.g. I started contributing and I hope to be reviewing soon, but it takes a bit of time to get up to speed | 19:42 |
| lifeless | but its not the thing we need | 19:42 |
| lifeless | andreaf: hey - cool! | 19:42 |
| devananda | slagle: and so when we have external deadlines, it takes a concerted effort to push through the backlog, which is not ideal | 19:42 |
| lifeless | andreaf: please do. Note that the fastest way to get feedback on your reviews is to start commenting, right or wrong. | 19:42 |
| slagle | ok, fair enough | 19:43 |
| derekh | lifeless: I dissagree people have to spend time on a review to know its ready... anyways we also have a backlog from when ci was busted which never got cleared | 19:43 |
| lifeless | derekh: point taken, and I'll send that mail asap :) | 19:44 |
| lifeless | once I sort more beaureaucrap @ work | 19:44 |
| bnemec | It's a tricky project to review properly. Lots of interdependencies between git repos, lots of new (to me) components, and no unit tests so you have to verify logic in addition to everything else. | 19:44 |
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| greghaynes | stackalytics graph for review rate seems pretty steady lately | 19:45 |
| lifeless | bnemec: thats interesting! perhaps we need a guide explaining things a bit more? To me, its easy to review because we know 'if you change a public API, you'll break something' | 19:45 |
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| bnemec | lifeless: Right, but entire elements in dib and t-i-e are completely untested in the gate. | 19:45 |
| bnemec | We're working on Fedora, but even with that we won't be hitting everything. | 19:45 |
| lifeless | bnemec: yes, I know - long way to go | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | more stats | 19:46 |
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| lifeless | Total reviews: 2176 (72.5/day) | 19:46 |
| lifeless | Total reviewers: 82 (avg 0.9 reviews/day) | 19:46 |
| lifeless | Total reviews by core team: 1174 (39.1/day) | 19:46 |
| lifeless | Core team size: 20 (avg 2.0 reviews/day) | 19:46 |
| lifeless | New patch sets in the last 30 days: 1343 (44.8/day) | 19:46 |
| lifeless | cores are doing 40 reviews/day and 44 patch sets are being pushed a day | 19:47 |
| lifeless | but | 19:47 |
| lifeless | Queue growth in the last 30 days: 64 (2.1/day) | 19:47 |
| lifeless | so we're falling behind | 19:47 |
| lifeless | what if we ask all cores to do *one more review a day* | 19:47 |
| lifeless | thats 16 more reviews a day | 19:48 |
| lifeless | which could in principle land 8 changesets a day | 19:48 |
| lifeless | and tip things back in the right direction - can everyone here commit to 1 more review a day ? | 19:48 |
| * derekh doesn't count them but will try | 19:48 | |
| slagle | so what is that? let's be explicit | 19:48 |
| slagle | 2 reviews a day? | 19:48 |
| * jistr will try | 19:48 | |
| bnemec | There's some pretty low-hanging fruit out there too. For example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80337/ | 19:49 |
| lsmola | lifeleless, I will try | 19:49 |
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| lifeless | slagle: sure, lets say that. | 19:49 |
| lifeless | lsmola: thanks | 19:50 |
| lifeless | #action lifeless to propose minimum of 2 reviews/day commitment from core reviewers in tripleo | 19:50 |
| andreaf | bnemec: more low hanging fruit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81813/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82035/ | 19:50 |
| Ng | I will do | 19:50 |
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| jprovazn | ack | 19:50 |
| lifeless | we need to roll | 19:51 |
| lifeless | #topic | 19:51 |
| lifeless | Projects needing releases | 19:51 |
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| lifeless | #topic Projects needing releases | 19:52 |
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| lifeless | rpodolyaka1: you up for this? | 19:52 |
| rpodolyaka1 | lifeless: yep! | 19:52 |
| lifeless | \o/ | 19:52 |
| lifeless | #topic CI cloud status | 19:52 |
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| lifeless | HP region is ok, tripleo-cd still paused, but SpamapS thinks we can unpause soon with the new heat shiny | 19:53 |
| lifeless | Redhat region I believe is ready to add to the CI system \o/ | 19:53 |
| lifeless | anyone have more to add ? | 19:53 |
| Ng | \o/ | 19:53 |
| derekh | lifeless: patch is ready, I've been holding off on getting the nodepool vm's back to 8G | 19:53 |
| lifeless | #topic CI | 19:53 |
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| lifeless | derekh: ack, because of machine size in that region ? | 19:54 |
| lifeless | derekh: andreaf: tempest - I think tempest should just run from the slave like it does for devstack | 19:54 |
| derekh | lifeless: well because of the number of them 64G x 3 in overcloud | 19:54 |
| dprince | lifeless: machine size and number of machines | 19:54 |
| lifeless | dprince: ack | 19:54 |
| devananda | lifeless: hi! on CI, I'd like to bring up a question | 19:54 |
| lifeless | devananda: shoot! | 19:54 |
| devananda | lifeless: specifically, how soon can Ironic start relying on tripleo-ci | 19:55 |
| lifeless | derekh: andreaf: I mailed the -dev list about tempest. | 19:55 |
| andreaf | lifeless: so we can't use an element to configure tempest then? | 19:55 |
| devananda | ya'll are already posting -nv checks on our patch sets, which is great | 19:55 |
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| lifeless | andreaf: I think you'll get worse results | 19:55 |
| devananda | also, as a non-integrated project, afaik, it's OK for tripleo to vote on ironic... and I think I trust you guys ;) | 19:56 |
| dprince | derekh: we'll get more machines in the future so lets go for it now (regardless of size) | 19:56 |
| lifeless | andreaf: you can and may want to do for prod deploys, but CI is resource limited, we need to be juidicious where we run stuff | 19:56 |
| derekh | lifeless: yup, saw it, either is good with me, just thougt it would be good to reuse what we have from seed but whatever | 19:56 |
| lifeless | derekh: andreaf: you guys should do whatever works best, was really just getting my thoughts out there where you can see them :) | 19:56 |
| andreaf | lifeless: ok so we need some alternate lib/tempest to set-up tempest for tripleo kind of environment - or some more ifs in the existing one | 19:57 |
| lifeless | devananda: CI for ironic with tripleo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1297063 this bug | 19:57 |
| lifeless | devananda: lists *all* the outstanding patchsets need to be running Ironic properly in check | 19:57 |
| derekh | dprince: ok, will push it up later | 19:57 |
| lifeless | devananda: one each in Ironic, tripleo-incubator, image-elements, heat-templates | 19:57 |
| lifeless | devananda: we get those four landed, and you should see failures such as the one reported in that bug | 19:58 |
| lifeless | devananda: w.r.t. voting - once we're multi region we'll start turning the voting bit on. | 19:58 |
| lifeless | with infra's cooperation | 19:58 |
| lifeless | andreaf: really be guided by derekh here | 19:58 |
| dprince | lifeless: once we are multi-region and stable | 19:58 |
| lifeless | andreaf: he's spent way more time on it than I | 19:58 |
| devananda | lifeless: voting globally vs. voting on ironic are different topics | 19:59 |
| derekh | on fedora ci runs we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82562/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:add-f20-jobs,n,z | 19:59 |
| lifeless | devananda: lets follow that up when its actually something we can do | 19:59 |
| devananda | lifeless: ack | 19:59 |
| andreaf | lifeless: ok that's fine at least I've got a clear direction on where to focus on now, thanks | 19:59 |
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| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 20:00 |
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| lifeless | 30 seconds | 20:00 |
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| devananda | lifeless: do you need anything from ironic folks for the tie/tht/t-i bugs? | 20:00 |
| lifeless | devananda: reviews :) | 20:00 |
| devananda | ack | 20:00 |
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| derekh | crap, time flies on these meetings | 20:01 |
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| lsmola | thanks guys, have a great week | 20:03 |
| jistr | thanks, see ya | 20:03 |
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| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 25 20:05:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-03-25-19.02.html | 20:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-03-25-19.02.txt | 20:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-03-25-19.02.log.html | 20:05 |
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