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| zns | #startmeeting satori | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 24 15:00:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zns. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'satori' | 15:00 |
| zns | Hi - who's here for the Satori team meeting? | 15:01 |
| caleb_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| walker_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| gusmaskowitz | o/ | 15:01 |
| samstav | o/ | 15:01 |
| gondoi | o/ | 15:01 |
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| zns | Welcome! Thank you for joining. We don't have new items on the agenda. We'll review action items and if anyone has new topics, please have them ready for after that. | 15:02 |
| zns | #topic action items | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:02 | |
| zns | I assume the beer purchases are scheduled for Atlanta. | 15:02 |
| caleb_ | :) | 15:03 |
| walker_ | ha | 15:03 |
| zns | gondoi: nova client requirements - I saw the pull request. All done? Anything else on that? | 15:03 |
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| walker_ | zns: can we come back to that one? gondoi lied about being present | 15:03 |
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| zns | walker_: OK. I'll assume it is closed given his patch. | 15:04 |
| adrian_otto | hi | 15:04 |
| zns | samstav: implement localhost blueprint - done, right? | 15:04 |
| zns | HI adrian_otto | 15:04 |
| samstav | Indeed. Though the gates are cracking the whip | 15:04 |
| gondoi | done | 15:04 |
| zns | OK. I'll work on that with you today. | 15:04 |
| zns | thanks, gondoi | 15:04 |
| zns | samstav: plugin install options? | 15:04 |
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| zns | file bug for satori not working with ip address - done | 15:05 |
| zns | reporting, while samstav types. | 15:06 |
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| samstav | There were some discussions floating around this week. Some regarding subclassing setuptools, or something completely different: using the package's "version" to indicate which satori package to pull down | 15:06 |
| zns | implement plugins own establishing the connection to start with, but we provide a built-in ssh module that they can use - partially done. I'm closing the action item and letting the blueprint continue tracking this. We've done a lot of work on this with ohai-solo and the localhost feature. | 15:06 |
| caleb_ | samstav: Is there a blueprint for that? | 15:07 |
| samstav | When I say subclassing setuptools, I really mean adding a Command or Feature (these are classes in setuptools) which could be passed to `python setup.py install` directly, OR through pip via `pip install ____ --install-options="--our-option-here'" ` | 15:07 |
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| gondoi | zns: which bug ID is the IP bug? | 15:08 |
| zns | I think there's a topic for discussion on this one. WRT dependencies, setup, per, etc... | 15:08 |
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| zns | bug 1293670 | 15:08 |
| samstav | There is no blueprint for that yet zns. That could be an action item for me this week. | 15:08 |
| zns | https://bugs.launchpad.net/satori/+bug/1293670 | 15:08 |
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| zns | Would that fall under https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/satori-minimal? | 15:09 |
| samstav | s/could be passed to/could be targeted/ | 15:09 |
| zns | That's where we're talking about managing dependencies. | 15:09 |
| gondoi | zns: if that hasn't been worked on, it may be a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/satori/+bug/1295391 | 15:09 |
| gondoi | let's table it for a second, sorry | 15:09 |
| zns | gondoi: looks like a dupe, yes. | 15:10 |
| zns | #action ins address possible duplication between 1295391 and 1293670 | 15:10 |
| zns | Damned autocorrect.... | 15:11 |
| zns | #action zns address possible duplication between 1295391 and 1293670 | 15:11 |
| samstav | ACK blueprint satori-minimal, though the brainstorming is leaning towards a generic solution for indicating the "type" or "edition" of the satori package | 15:11 |
| gondoi | i have code submitted for it, we can review | 15:11 |
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| zns | cool | 15:11 |
| zns | #topic dependencies and sertup | 15:11 |
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| zns | #topic dependencies and setup | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dependencies and setup (Meeting topic: satori)" | 15:11 | |
| zns | We have a few possible blueprints around dependencies. Let me describe the issues... | 15:12 |
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| zns | Running pip install satori and then satori localhost does not need dependencies on paramiko or nova client. Those are heavy dependencies that cause fragility. | 15:13 |
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| caleb_ | if a sysinfo plugin is needed for that use case, is it really all that minimal? | 15:13 |
| zns | For example, paramiko requires pycrypto which requires python-dev packages and compilation that sometimes can fail. If we want pip install satori to be as reliable as possible for a localhost install, then these dependencies are problematic. | 15:14 |
| caleb_ | I'd argue that the ohai-solo package is much more heavy than paramiko and nova client. | 15:14 |
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| caleb_ | ^ I retract my paramiko comment | 15:14 |
| zns | But the ohai-solo plugin in satori is just python class, no external dependencies. And the package is self-contained, so installing it almost never fails. | 15:15 |
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| caleb_ | I'm with you. | 15:15 |
| zns | The ohai-solo one, that is. Credit to walker_ - that thing is solid and easy to install. | 15:15 |
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| walker_ | except on Friday. :D | 15:16 |
| zns | What happened Friday? | 15:16 |
| walker_ | .....um, nothing.... | 15:16 |
| walker_ | Breakdown in the CI/CD pipeline for the packages | 15:16 |
| walker_ | but, it is all better now | 15:16 |
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| walker_ | I would say that we should make installing things for the most common use case as easy as possible | 15:18 |
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| samstav | If localhost discovery is the most common use case, I must have missed something | 15:18 |
| zns | walker_: did that break any installs? | 15:18 |
| zns | On hosts.. | 15:18 |
| walker_ | If localhost is easy to install, but the most common usage requres a bunch of flags, etc. Then we are not doing what we should be doing | 15:18 |
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| walker_ | zns: no | 15:19 |
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| samstav | walker_ bingo | 15:19 |
| zns | walker_: ok. So still reliable! Even on Fridays :-) | 15:19 |
| zns | So the question before us is how do we support a minimal install for localhost discovery, and also support a full install with ssh and control plane install. One idea was to have a separate package in pypi. That could show up as a different name (ex. satori-full) or a specially tagged version (pip install satori==full) | 15:19 |
| gondoi | sooooo.. someone is probably going to shoot me.. but i would say ansible | 15:20 |
| walker_ | everyone take a drink | 15:20 |
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| caleb_ | gondoi: Go on. | 15:20 |
| samstav | 🔫 | 15:20 |
| zns | And which one is the default. Minimal? And then from within satori we can install other packages. Ex. 'satori list packages' and 'satori install full' | 15:20 |
| gondoi | actually.. that may not be true... i need to review it's full dependency tree | 15:20 |
| samstav | don't shoot guns. don't be violent. | 15:20 |
| gondoi | but | 15:20 |
| gondoi | you can pip install ansible and run localhost discovery | 15:20 |
| caleb_ | samstav: The Australian version | 15:21 |
| gondoi | no need for worry about external packaging and installations | 15:21 |
| zns | gondoi: so... are you saying we should abandon satori and just use ansible? | 15:21 |
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| gondoi | i have a WIP going that's not working yet | 15:21 |
| gondoi | haha......... no | 15:21 |
| walker_ | zns: I feel ya - and understand that localhost should be minimal; however, I'm not sure we understand the most common usage yet. Right now, localhost is not a common use-case at all | 15:21 |
| gondoi | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/satori/+spec/ansible-when-present | 15:22 |
| gondoi | that could change to just ansible as a discovery option | 15:22 |
| walker_ | Maybe the full, minimal, decaf, no-fat options should come once we have a better understanding of popular usage | 15:22 |
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| gondoi | right now the discovery data returned just needs to be translated to our schema | 15:22 |
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| gondoi | also, ohai stuff is working now, it just feels "heavy" in terms of dependencies | 15:23 |
| walker_ | also +1 to gondoi's Ansible stuff - that could result in a much lighter weight solution (although it requres paramiko doesn't it? /troll) | 15:23 |
| zns | We have received a request for localhost. So maybe we just publish a minimal version for localhost and assume the default use case is not on local - and therefore should wrk with all the things (nova client, paramkio) installed? | 15:23 |
| gondoi | that's why i said i need to review it's dependencies.. i'm sure it probably does | 15:23 |
| samstav | satori-solo ? | 15:23 |
| walker_ | boooo | 15:23 |
| zns | gondoi: I think the ansible blueprint doesn't change the discussion. We would still need to decide if we should have a minimal dependency version of satori. | 15:24 |
| caleb_ | I like full to be the default and minimal to be the reduced fat soy sugar free with 2 pumps version | 15:24 |
| zns | And doesn't ansible depend in ssh? Does it use paramiko? | 15:24 |
| walker_ | zns: gondoi is unsure if it requires paramiko | 15:25 |
| walker_ | but it does use SSH | 15:25 |
| zns | +1 to full being the default. | 15:25 |
| walker_ | +1 as well | 15:25 |
| gondoi | looks like the answer is yes it does https://github.com/ansible/ansible/search?q=paramiko&ref=cmdform | 15:26 |
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| gondoi | it uses it's own ssh, it would not use the ssh module satori has | 15:26 |
| gondoi | i think this is getting distracting from our current topic | 15:26 |
| walker_ | yeah | 15:26 |
| zns | gondoi: even if we use ansible, we would still need to talk about nova client as dependency for control plane discovery, right? Or does ansible do control plane discovery? And if it does, does it not use nova client? | 15:26 |
| walker_ | zns: I'm afraid multiple packages is going to be confusing | 15:27 |
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| gondoi | ansible would be data plane | 15:27 |
| zns | Any objections to the full being the default? | 15:27 |
| samstav | ansible's ssh module: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/c9fcbf7bdd46b493a1349662f92be63b66412007/lib/ansible/runner/connection_plugins/ssh.py | 15:27 |
| gondoi | can we solve for a single step install process with full? | 15:27 |
| zns | #agreed the full version (with dependencies) will be the default install of satori. | 15:28 |
| gondoi | pip intall satori | 15:28 |
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| gondoi | right now it's potentially 3 step correct? depending on the OS | 15:28 |
| zns | For localhost use cases, what does everyone think of having a package in pypi tagged with local. `pip install satori==local` | 15:28 |
| samstav | It doesn't implement the ssh protocol, it just opens pipes through Popen | 15:28 |
| caleb_ | zns: I'm cool with that. | 15:29 |
| walker_ | zns: That seems sane | 15:29 |
| walker_ | what impact does that have with publishing packages? | 15:29 |
| zns | gondoi: you mean also install ansible and/or ohai-solo ashen running pip install satori? | 15:29 |
| zns | #agreed for localhost use cases, we will have a package in pypi tagged with local. `pip install satori==local` | 15:29 |
| caleb_ | do we know how we're going to get ohai-solo installed in that scenario? | 15:30 |
| gondoi | no i mean apt-get install python-dev | 15:30 |
| gondoi | pip install satori | 15:30 |
| gondoi | or even apt-get install build-essentials | 15:30 |
| zns | I don't know how that is handled in python, usually... | 15:31 |
| zns | Is this a packaging question? Would that be apt-get install satori? | 15:31 |
| caleb_ | If I would have know this was going to be a packaging discussion I would have been sick today :) | 15:32 |
| gondoi | well i saw some chatter about needing to install python-dev on 12.04 ubuntu, for example | 15:32 |
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| zns | caleb_: What's the benefit of installing ohai-solo with satori. The current method of downloading it when needed is working fine. It's actually not causing us any problems (that I've seen so far). | 15:32 |
| caleb_ | zns: I'm sorry, you're right. | 15:33 |
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| zns | I thin we're confusing the data plane components with the dependencies in satori that are needed for remote data and control plane discovery. We don't have a problem with data plane plugins (ohai-solo or ansible). | 15:34 |
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| caleb_ | I think installing deps on remote machiens as a part of discovery makes sense | 15:35 |
| caleb_ | it begins to feel odd when the deps for localhost aren't handled at install time | 15:35 |
| caleb_ | IMO | 15:35 |
| zns | So, problem #1: unnecessary dependencies for the local use case. Solved with pip install satori==local | 15:35 |
| zns | problem #2: pip install needing additional packages (ex. python-dev). | 15:36 |
| zns | I think problem #2 is a packaging problem. | 15:36 |
| samstav | Problem #2 is very common | 15:37 |
| zns | caleb_: you mean dependcies like ohai-solo? | 15:37 |
| caleb_ | zns: Yes. but only in the localhost scenario | 15:37 |
| samstav | a python package is responsible for itself. if we obligate satori for managing system packages, thats a different ball game. | 15:37 |
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| caleb_ | samstav: Agreed. Maybe its just something to address in the docs | 15:38 |
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| samstav | like gondoi said, it would just mean there are 2 additional steps | 15:38 |
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| zns | caleb_: the only weirdness is if I install satori==local and then try to do remote discovery and that fails. Probably with "You have installed local satori. Please re-install full" or something like that. Does that describe the oddness? | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | No | 15:39 |
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| caleb_ | `sudo pip install satori==local` | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | satori localhost | 15:39 |
| caleb_ | (fails because you're not root, cannot install ohai-solo package) | 15:39 |
| zns | That almost never happens (refer back to kudos to walker_ ) | 15:40 |
| caleb_ | it will always fail if its executed as a user that cannot install a package | 15:40 |
| caleb_ | so you need to `sudo satori localhost` the first time to get the package installed | 15:40 |
| caleb_ | and then `satori localhost` from then on | 15:41 |
| samstav | I have not implemented specifying a user when running localhost | 15:41 |
| caleb_ | unless a new version is rolled out | 15:41 |
| caleb_ | then it would error again | 15:41 |
| samstav | so what caleb_ said is accurate. it is ran as the user running satori | 15:41 |
| zns | caleb_: I see. Is the story here that an admin installs satori and then a user runs it and can't install ohai-solo? | 15:41 |
| caleb_ | zns: Yes. | 15:41 |
| zns | Dumb admin? | 15:41 |
| zns | jk. | 15:41 |
| zns | So do we document tha for an admin? | 15:42 |
| zns | Or do we build it in to the install? | 15:42 |
| samstav | ins I'm not sure what you're asking | 15:43 |
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| zns | Wouldn't it be weird if pip install satori installed a ruby package? | 15:43 |
| samstav | zns ^^ | 15:43 |
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| samstav | It would absolutely be weird | 15:43 |
| caleb_ | Yes. | 15:43 |
| caleb_ | I think it just needs to be documented. | 15:44 |
| caleb_ | and maybe we shouldn't assume that we can always update the package | 15:44 |
| zns | So then is the only answer to document it so an admin also installs ohai-solo? | 15:44 |
| caleb_ | +1 | 15:44 |
| zns | Or we include a basic localhost discovery module in python inside satori? | 15:44 |
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| samstav | zns come again? | 15:45 |
| zns | If sudo pip install satori (local or full) should just wor when run by a user, then we should add data plane discovery in python in satori. | 15:46 |
| zns | /s/wor/work | 15:46 |
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| zns | And therefore make ansible, and ohai-solo totally optional. | 15:47 |
| samstav | Yes. Is that ambitious considering the work has been done with ohai-solo, and requires a minimal and sometimes unnoticeable barrier? | 15:48 |
| zns | I don't feel it's about ambition. I hate to duplicate that work. But if we're doing this in openstack and therefore we need python and there isn't a python dependency we can take, then we're almost forced to do it... | 15:49 |
| gusmaskowitz | as a future user of Satori I think it is completely acceptable to give me a choice of data-plane discovery methods. If only one exists for the first year and it's Ruby based then so what. | 15:50 |
| samstav | It takes ambition to put time into things only because you are forced to | 15:50 |
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| gondoi | time check 10 mins remaining | 15:50 |
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| gusmaskowitz | there will be data-plane discovery plugins - correct ? | 15:50 |
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| gondoi | gusmaskowitz: as i see it, correct | 15:51 |
| zns | And, before someone says it, devstructure blueprint has a lot of dependencies (like git), so it doesn't solve the problem. Although we could explore contributing to it to make it lighter and re-use its data plane discovery pieces (if they suffice). Then we add it to our requirements.txt and pip install satori will always work... | 15:51 |
| samstav | k. for the record, I +1 the idea of a "pure python" data plane discovery and satori working out of the box | 15:52 |
| zns | gusmaskowitz: yes, but then you know separate setup is needed for the plugins. | 15:52 |
| zns | So you wouldn't expect pip install satori to comes with plugins. | 15:52 |
| gusmaskowitz | I also +1 a pure python approach at install time for the record. | 15:52 |
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| gusmaskowitz | we are short in time. perhaps this is a mailing list discussion | 15:52 |
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| gondoi | i agree with samstav that a pure python solution will be nice to have | 15:53 |
| zns | caleb_? | 15:53 |
| caleb_ | I'm onboard. Good docs will get plugins setup | 15:53 |
| caleb_ | thats an action though | 15:53 |
| zns | gusmaskowitz: yeah. We can take it to the ML. | 15:53 |
| zns | To start built-in python data plane discovery? | 15:54 |
| zns | #action zns start ML discussion & blueprint for built-in python data plane discovery | 15:54 |
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| zns | For the record, I don't love the idea of duplicating the work that exists in ohai. | 15:55 |
| samstav | I also *really* don't love it. | 15:55 |
| samstav | I just waaant it. | 15:56 |
| caleb_ | I dont think its the most pressing issue ATM | 15:56 |
| zns | But if satori can become a light, awesome discovery module that maybe ansible and other python tools use then satori is just the python versions of ohai. | 15:56 |
| zns | OK. To be continued on the ML. | 15:56 |
| zns | Anything else? | 15:57 |
| gondoi | tests are broken | 15:57 |
| gondoi | pythonwhois is failing to install from git | 15:57 |
| gondoi | i am willing to take that action item | 15:57 |
| zns | caleb_: maybe for Rackspace, but for satori as a project, I'd say this is critical. | 15:57 |
| zns | #action gondoi Fix pythonwhois is failing to install from git | 15:58 |
| zns | Thanks | 15:58 |
| caleb_ | I think we should add a new requirement to user list announcement: Developer docs for doing discovery using Python rather than the command line. | 15:58 |
| samstav | caleb_ agreed | 15:58 |
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| caleb_ | I can take that as an action | 15:58 |
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| zns | #action caleb_ Developer docs for doing discovery using Python rather than the command line. | 15:58 |
| zns | caleb_: I'm not sure what that means, so we can sync up offline. | 15:59 |
| zns | Lots of discussion. Did I miss any action items for anyone? | 15:59 |
| zns | Going once.... | 15:59 |
| zns | Gone! | 16:00 |
| zns | OK. Thanks, everyone! | 16:00 |
| zns | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 24 16:00:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-24-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-24-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/satori/2014/satori.2014-03-24-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| redrobot | Alrighty, it's Barbican time! | 20:01 |
| hockeynut | (party noises) | 20:01 |
| atiwari | Hi | 20:01 |
| redrobot | can I get a show of hands for people here for the Barbican meeting? | 20:01 |
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| malini | Greetings all! | 20:01 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:02 |
| woodster2 | \o? | 20:02 |
| chadlung | o/ | 20:02 |
| atiwari | o/ | 20:02 |
| joel-coffman | hey | 20:02 |
| codekobe | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | looks like we have enough people to start | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 24 20:02:40 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:02 | |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:02 |
| redrobot | As usual the agenda is available on the wiki | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| redrobot | jraim was kind enough to let me chair this meeting again :) | 20:03 |
| redrobot | let's start by reviewing the action items from last week's meeting | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items Update | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | chadlung let's start with yours | 20:04 |
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| chadlung | redrobot: ok | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I think we solved atiwari issues with the devstack gate from last week? | 20:05 |
| atiwari | yep | 20:05 |
| chadlung | yes, I troubleshooted the issue on DevStack and then put the fix (via a comment) in Atiwari's CR | 20:05 |
| redrobot | awesome. so the devstack gate is currently voting as well right? | 20:06 |
| atiwari | and the CR is merged too | 20:06 |
| chadlung | correct | 20:06 |
| atiwari | yep | 20:06 |
| chadlung | yes, its voting and the CR is merged | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #info chadlung and atiwari worked through devstack gate issues | 20:06 |
| chadlung | all our gates vote not | 20:06 |
| chadlung | now | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #info devstack gate is now a voting gate in addition to Python 2.6, 2.7 and pep8 | 20:07 |
| redrobot | cool, moving on | 20:07 |
| malini | i have not had a chance to followup on Barbican book chapter in OpenStack Security guide, http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/security-guide.pdf | 20:07 |
| malini | Later this week, sorry | 20:08 |
| redrobot | malini no worries | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #action malini still looking into adding Barbican to the OpenStack Security guide | 20:08 |
| malini | BTW I voted +1 for atiwar's design summit entry for user level secrets | 20:08 |
| redrobot | cool, yeah, that's next for the meeting agenda | 20:08 |
| atiwari | thanks malini | 20:09 |
| redrobot | codekobe do you have any updates on OpenStack Cookbooks? | 20:09 |
| codekobe | yes | 20:09 |
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| codekobe | To add barbican cookbooks to the openstack cookbooks we would need to: | 20:09 |
| codekobe | 1. Rename the cookbook to cookbook-openstack-key-management because openstack cookbooks are named after the service and not the project name. | 20:10 |
| codekobe | 2. Refactor cookbooks to use the openstack common recipes for things like database creation, etc #link https://github.com/stackforge/cookbook-openstack-common | 20:10 |
| codekobe | 3. Add the new cookbook repo to stackforge | 20:10 |
| codekobe | 4. Update the openstack chef-repo #link https://github.com/stackforge/openstack-chef-repo to have the cookbook included in the Berksfile as well as add a role for barbican. | 20:10 |
| codekobe | Step 2 looks very time consuming | 20:10 |
| redrobot | yeah, that does sound like a lot of work | 20:10 |
| codekobe | but probably not too bad | 20:10 |
| woodster2 | do they have to fit a certain chef design pattern? | 20:11 |
| codekobe | it also looks like we need deployment of queues, dbs, etc to be sub recipes | 20:11 |
| woodster2 | …or just be added to the project is enough? | 20:11 |
| codekobe | Well, they talk about seperating out chef search like we do, but it doesnlt look like all cookbooks adhere to that | 20:11 |
| codekobe | woodster2 to switch to using the common cookbook looks like some work though | 20:12 |
| codekobe | the common cookbook contains a lot of library functions and recipes for managing database users, endpoints, etc | 20:13 |
| codekobe | so i think it would be important to refactor for that style | 20:13 |
| codekobe | similar to using oslo in our python code base | 20:13 |
| redrobot | sounds like something we'd want to tackle down the road, unless someone has free cycles to look at this | 20:13 |
| woodster2 | sounds like a juno or beyond effort | 20:14 |
| codekobe | yes, i agree with that woodster2 | 20:14 |
| redrobot | #help we'd like to add Barbican to the OpenStack Cookbooks effort | 20:14 |
| redrobot | just going to leave that as a call for help. maybe some kind soul will take pity on us :) | 20:15 |
| codekobe | #link https://github.com/cloudkeep-ops | 20:15 |
| codekobe | previous link is where our cookbooks currently reside | 20:15 |
| redrobot | on my end I did add a dogtag cookbook but it doesn't do anything yet | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #link https://github.com/cloudkeep-ops/chef-dogtag | 20:16 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on to the next item on the agenda | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #topic Upcoming Design Sessions | 20:16 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, there was an action on me too | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | atiwari that's right, sorry I skimmed over that one | 20:17 |
| atiwari | putting cr for crypto | 20:17 |
| atiwari | and link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82189/ | 20:17 |
| atiwari | is in place | 20:17 |
| atiwari | there are concerns from Paul | 20:17 |
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| atiwari | some addressed and waiting for his comments for rest | 20:18 |
| redrobot | Yes, I did see that in the review. I think Paul (reaperhulk) is out the next couple of days though. | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | Has anyone else had a chance to review atiwari's changes to the Plugin contract? | 20:18 |
| atiwari | ok, wd appreciate if some one else look in to it | 20:19 |
| woodster2 | not yet, but I can shortly... | 20:19 |
| redrobot | I was hoping alee would be here as he's also wanting to make some changes to the plugin contract as well | 20:20 |
| malini | I shall take a look too | 20:20 |
| redrobot | #action atiwari still working on crypto plugin interface changes. | 20:21 |
| redrobot | we can revisit next week if we need to | 20:21 |
| atiwari | just for fyi, this is holding me to progress on #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/api-orders-add-more-types | 20:21 |
| atiwari | redrobot, next week I will not be there just for fyi. | 20:23 |
| redrobot | atiwari yes, this seems like something we'll want to iron out. Plugin contract changes affect the dev plugin, the PKCS11 plugin, and soon the DogTag plugin | 20:23 |
| redrobot | atiwari noted. Hopefully we can sort this out before the next meeting. | 20:23 |
| atiwari | good | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | now, regarding the Design Sessions | 20:24 |
| redrobot | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 20:24 |
| redrobot | I see atiwari has already added a few sessions there | 20:24 |
| redrobot | does anyone else have any ideas for sessions we may want to have at the summit? | 20:25 |
| redrobot | I like the session about Secret Isolation at User Level | 20:25 |
| chadlung | We probably need to discuss the SSL | 20:25 |
| chadlung | SSL Certs to be more precise | 20:26 |
| chadlung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/add-ssl-ca-support | 20:26 |
| joel-coffman | I've had some email exchanges with jraim | 20:26 |
| atiwari | what about "Add more status to Barbican entities" ? | 20:26 |
| woodster2 | or generically, how to deal with workflow/orchestration type flows in barbican, to generate complete secrets such as SSL | 20:26 |
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| joel-coffman | we have a sponsor who is interested in support KMIP as a backend (like DogTag, PKCS11, etc.) | 20:27 |
| woodster2 | that would be an interesting plugin | 20:27 |
| redrobot | chadlung that's a good point. Do you want to add a design session to the page I linked so we can vote on it? | 20:27 |
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| chadlung | redrobot: sure | 20:27 |
| atiwari | yes, may be good design session topic too | 20:27 |
| atiwari | ? | 20:27 |
| woodster2 | we should probably add an auditing design session too | 20:28 |
| redrobot | joel-coffman what kind of design session are you thinking? one for a KMIP plugin specifically? Or a more general "how to write a plugin" session? | 20:28 |
| joel-coffman | KMIP plugin specifically | 20:28 |
| atiwari | +1 joel-coffman | 20:29 |
| redrobot | joel-coffman cool, would you mind adding that to the design session list ? | 20:29 |
| redrobot | woodster2 auditing? | 20:29 |
| woodster2 | produciing audit logs that is…probably needed for integration | 20:30 |
| joel-coffman | no, I'd be happy to but it might take a week or two (need formal approval from sponsor) | 20:30 |
| redrobot | ok, cool. I'll add it as an action item | 20:30 |
| redrobot | #action joel-coffman to add design session for a KMIP plugin | 20:31 |
| joel-coffman | thanks! | 20:31 |
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| woodster2 | very raw wiki discussion here: https://github.com/cloudkeep/barbican/wiki/Auditing | 20:31 |
| redrobot | +1 woodster2 | 20:31 |
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| malini | +1 audit design session | 20:31 |
| woodster2 | I can carve that one out | 20:31 |
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| malini | on the security track there is an accept for an audit solution, lets invite them to attend and vote :-) for this | 20:32 |
| redrobot | #action woodster2 to add an auditing design session | 20:32 |
| atiwari | any thoughts on #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/114? | 20:32 |
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| codekobe | atiwari, the PENDING status seems to make sense for secrets if the order request is async | 20:33 |
| redrobot | atiwari do you think this would need a design session? It seems to me this is something we could define before then. | 20:33 |
| woodster2 | atiwari: I think some of the status discussion will shake out of the SSL design work. The statuses there now are really just to deal with async behaviors | 20:34 |
| atiwari | np | 20:34 |
| codekobe | especially once we get into ssl certs etc | 20:34 |
| atiwari | I am fine | 20:34 |
| atiwari | redrobot, I am already working on #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/115 | 20:34 |
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| atiwari | do we need session on that? | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | yeah, I would think stuff like DEACTIVATED or SUSPENDED would be better as 4XX replies | 20:35 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, np, let me put a etherpad with my plan | 20:35 |
| redrobot | atiwari that's a good question... not sure if we'd need a design session, unless we're unable to land that before then | 20:35 |
| redrobot | atiwari for 115 that is | 20:36 |
| atiwari | I think we are going good on that one | 20:36 |
| atiwari | no, 114 | 20:36 |
| atiwari | 115 we are good | 20:36 |
| malini | atiwari -- i do not understand "Ability to create access/secret key (for API HMAC-SHA1 signature generatinon)" | 20:37 |
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| atiwari | malini, it is used to generate tempurl for swift access | 20:38 |
| atiwari | I will add some context in BP | 20:38 |
| redrobot | #action atiwari to add more context to Additional Secret Statuses blueprint | 20:39 |
| redrobot | ok guys, any other design summit session ideas we may want to talk about before moving on to the next agenda item? | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | moving on then... don't forget to add comments or new design session ideas if you can think of any. | 20:41 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprints in Gerrit | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | I don't think jraim is around | 20:41 |
| redrobot | but the idea here is to add a new gerrit repo | 20:42 |
| redrobot | maybe something like barbican-blueprints | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | this way we could leverage Gerrit infrastructure to iterate on the blueprint design process | 20:42 |
| arunkant | I have added one bp. The need came from attached bug. link# https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/policy-target-support | 20:43 |
| redrobot | this would allow for a better space than launchpad for comments/votes etc. then once a blueprint is merged, it would be considered APPROVED | 20:43 |
| redrobot | any thoughts on that? | 20:44 |
| malini | +1 on blueprints in gerrit -- that better lends to community process | 20:44 |
| redrobot | arunkant thanks for adding that blueprint. do you have any thoughts on designing blueprints via Gerrit | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | malini I agree. I like the idea. | 20:45 |
| atiwari | blueprints on gerrit, that means we want to track changes on BP? | 20:45 |
| atiwari | redrobot ^ | 20:46 |
| redrobot | atiwari not necessarily track the changes themselves, but to have a better way of collaborating on the blueprint | 20:46 |
| atiwari | in my opinion , API change has to be in gerrit | 20:46 |
| atiwari | BP does not make sense to me | 20:47 |
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| atiwari | thoughts? | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | atiwari noted. jraim wanted me to toss this idea out there to see what you guys think about it | 20:47 |
| codekobe | Wouldn't a proposed api change be inside of a blueprint? | 20:47 |
| arunkant | redrobot . Is that standard practice in other openstack modules to have blueprints managed like this? | 20:48 |
| atiwari | I have asked jraim to enable API change go through gerrit | 20:48 |
| redrobot | codekobe I think what atiwari is talking about is having a git repo that is used to define the API, and any changes would go through gerrit | 20:48 |
| redrobot | codekobe Keystone manages their API this way | 20:48 |
| codekobe | ah ok | 20:48 |
| atiwari | correct | 20:48 |
| atiwari | I think BP is kind of raw stuff | 20:48 |
| redrobot | atiwari I think jraim said that nova may possibly be doing that for BPs... I haven't looked into it though | 20:49 |
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| malini | atiwari -- BPs have a work list -- but it is primitive -- if commentor forgets to put name it, it goes, possible to wipe out others' data etc | 20:50 |
| malini | but blueprints sometimes may have images -- not something gerrit may help with | 20:50 |
| atiwari | malini, I don't have any issue with BP in gerrit | 20:50 |
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| redrobot | maybe we should reach out to the dev list to see if anyone else is using Gerrit for blueprint design | 20:51 |
| atiwari | malini, are you taking about Bp which is in wiki? | 20:52 |
| atiwari | like #link:https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/KeyManager | 20:52 |
| atiwari | or #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/ | 20:52 |
| atiwari | ? | 20:52 |
| redrobot | atiwari the idea is to create a blueprint on launchpad, but to define the blueprint details in Gerrit | 20:53 |
| atiwari | ok | 20:53 |
| redrobot | atiwari we'll probably have to revisit this again next week | 20:54 |
| malini | atiwari: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/ but you give specification url that points to a wiki | 20:54 |
| atiwari | I am ok, as long as we have one process | 20:54 |
| redrobot | atiwari ok cool, I'll let jraim know | 20:54 |
| woodster1 | it basically encourages community discussion and contributions on blueprints | 20:54 |
| redrobot | so we're quickly running out of time for the meeting today | 20:54 |
| atiwari | redrobot, before we finish I would like you guys to look in to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81310/ | 20:54 |
| redrobot | atiwari I don't think we need to do this during the meeting ;) | 20:55 |
| atiwari | Adding target support for policy enforcement by arun | 20:55 |
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| atiwari | correct, its is for after meeting | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | ok guys, thank you for coming to the meeting. If there's anything else that comes up, please feel free to add it to the agenda. | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 24 20:58:01 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2014/barbican.2014-03-24-20.02.html | 20:58 |
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