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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 07:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 19 07:00:41 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 07:00 |
| cmurphy | morning | 07:00 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, you made it! | 07:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 07:01 |
| cmurphy | i made it | 07:01 |
| tonyb | \o | 07:01 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, around? | 07:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Agenda | 07:02 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, when do you head back to the US again? | 07:02 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: tomorrow! | 07:02 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, woohoo! | 07:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds like gmann isn't going to be able to make it so I think we can get started since everyone else is here | 07:04 |
| diablo_rojo | So! | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New COntributor Patches | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New COntributor Patches (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:05 | |
| mattoliverau | i'll admit i didnt do my homework | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I did.. other parts of the homework? | 07:06 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, cmurphy do the homework? | 07:06 |
| * cmurphy nope :/ | 07:06 | |
| mattoliverau | i see a swift one from a few weeks ago i should target. but will also have a go at contacting a few more on the list tomorrow | 07:06 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: no :( | 07:07 |
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| mattoliverau | sorry my typing is slow was i have a 3 month old nibbling one of my hands :) | 07:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Shame on all of us. | 07:07 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: Actually I looked but there wern't any new ones for me to help with | 07:07 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, WE DEMAND BABY PICTURES | 07:07 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 07:08 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, looking is more than I did | 07:08 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 07:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so it sounds like not much to report on here then. | 07:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Shall I move on? | 07:09 |
| cmurphy | actually there was one for keystone that i tried to help with but they never came back to address the feedback | 07:09 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, I have found that too | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Seems like not many come back with updates | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | not sure how to help with that | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | SOmething to think on I guess. | 07:11 |
| mattoliverau | for now just continue doing what we'rrrre doing. | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.o.o | 07:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ask.o.o (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:11 | |
| mattoliverau | just was: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/118015/i-want-to-get-involved-in-openstack-but-dont-know-what-i-want-to-work-on/ | 07:12 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/118015/i-want-to-get-involved-in-openstack-but-dont-know-what-i-want-to-work-on/ | 07:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | Lol that was one of my softball ones | 07:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I posted two | 07:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I love seeing that three people responded. | 07:13 |
| mattoliverau | ahh nice :) | 07:13 |
| mattoliverau | tricky | 07:13 |
| diablo_rojo | I posted them as anonymous cause I was curious how people would respond. | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | I figured if my name was on them they'd get ignored | 07:14 |
| mattoliverau | good plan | 07:14 |
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| * diablo_rojo tries to find link to her other question | 07:15 | |
| mattoliverau | There was another tagged beginner, but not really about getting involved. rather an actual question | 07:15 |
| * diablo_rojo should have saved the url | 07:15 | |
| mattoliverau | lol, or used one of the tags we watch ;) | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | I was pretty sure I did | 07:16 |
| diablo_rojo | Found it! | 07:16 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/118013/where-can-i-find-information-about-contributing-in-ways-other-than-code/ | 07:16 |
| diablo_rojo | If someone wants to add the non-code contributor guide as well that would be cool. | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't think I should answer my own question ;) | 07:18 |
| cmurphy | lol | 07:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | someone want to take that action item? | 07:20 |
| mattoliverau | If no one else will, I will | 07:20 |
| tonyb | #phew! | 07:20 |
| tonyb | Thanks mattoliverau :) | 07:20 |
| mattoliverau | If I take an easy action item then when another comes up then I'm guilt free :P | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | #action mattoliverau to answer https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/118013/where-can-i-find-information-about-contributing-in-ways-other-than-code/ | 07:21 |
| * tonyb was waiting for a full minute ;P | 07:21 | |
| mattoliverau | lol | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 07:21 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: is smart ;P | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Any other new questions anyone noticed? | 07:21 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I can try to come up with another softball question to post again.. | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Maybe two if I get really ambitious. | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 07:22 |
| mattoliverau | great work diablo_rojo! | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks :) | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay... moving on | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic 2018 Annual Report | 07:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2018 Annual Report (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:24 | |
| diablo_rojo | So! For those of you that don't know. We do these thrilling annual reports for the board/sponsors etc. | 07:24 |
| mattoliverau | sounds thrilling | 07:25 |
| diablo_rojo | And I had to write a section (well...many sections, but that's beside the point) for the first contact sig, being the chair. | 07:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Please feast your eyes on my feat of words and englishing: | 07:26 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2018AnnualReport_GroupsUpdate Annual Report | 07:26 |
| diablo_rojo | And tell me if I missed anything or misspelled anything | 07:26 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 07:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Lines 39 onward atm | 07:26 |
| tonyb | LGTM | 07:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | I covered the larger points- we now do meetings, we have more people, the project liaisons. The contributing organisation guide.. | 07:27 |
| mattoliverau | from an initial quick parse looks good. but will read more carefully later :) | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | that was the bulk of things, but if there is anything else I should call out, please let me know :) | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, so long as later is before EO-US-D tomorrow :) | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | End of US Day | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | That's when it's 'due' | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 07:28 |
| tonyb | certainly better than the lame one from the EM SIG | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | And the writer of that one even uses the Queen's English on a regular basis ;) | 07:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think that's all I had for this topic. | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Shall we press on? | 07:29 |
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| mattoliverau | press on | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Sanbox Bot | 07:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sanbox Bot (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:30 | |
| * diablo_rojo looks at tonyb | 07:30 | |
| tonyb | he left | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | should have changed nick's before saying that | 07:30 |
| tonyb | Umm nothing to report really I still need to send the rationale and design to the list | 07:30 |
| * tonyb will do that on Friday (pinky promise) | 07:31 | |
| diablo_rojo | Anything we can do to help with that? | 07:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Or just leave you alone? :) | 07:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Alright, sounds like we can move on then. | 07:31 |
| tonyb | Not a lot to do right now, but pile on the design discussion when it happens | 07:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Can do. | 07:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Will keep an eye out for that on the discussion ML | 07:32 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Reqs for Organisations Contributing to OpenStack | 07:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reqs for Organisations Contributing to OpenStack (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:32 | |
| tonyb | I'll post a URL in the other channel when it hits the archive | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, sounds good | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | So! thanks again mattoliverau for taking on writing all of that up | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | and dealing with all the comments | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | and doing the follow ups super quickly | 07:33 |
| mattoliverau | nps. though to he honest, I've lost track of it lately. | 07:33 |
| mattoliverau | I really need to refamilarise myself with it. | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | I passed the document onto the Business Development team (particularly Danny who onboards new sponsors). So he will start including that info in emails he sends out. | 07:34 |
| mattoliverau | that's what happens when you miss a PTG and Summit | 07:34 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | I still need to ping Heidi about it, but I might wait till the new year since everything has slowed downn a bunch. | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah, maybe you should stop doing that ;) | 07:35 |
| mattoliverau | don't worry, no more kids for me :) | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol\ | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Still need to present the docs to the board, but I was going to wait till the board of directors individual election concludes so we can get all the new people on the same page | 07:36 |
| * diablo_rojo doesn't remember when that is happening off the top of her head | 07:36 | |
| mattoliverau | makes sense | 07:36 |
| tonyb | mid-late Jan IIRC | 07:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that sounds right. | 07:36 |
| diablo_rojo | So as soon as that thing happens, I will get on the agenda | 07:37 |
| tonyb | #link https://www.openstack.org/election/2019-individual-director-election/ | 07:37 |
| diablo_rojo | I know nominations are going on right now. | 07:37 |
| mattoliverau | in the meantime, I'll try and catch up with everything I missed. | 07:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh so nominations are done. | 07:38 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, sounds good, you have plenty of time :) | 07:38 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: yeah looks like it | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 07:39 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Alright. Last one! | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic People to Reach out to | 07:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "People to Reach out to (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:40 | |
| * diablo_rojo knows someone volunteered to talk to these people but can't remember who it was | 07:40 | |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau? cmurphy? | 07:41 |
| cmurphy | I had volunteered for one, not all | 07:42 |
| diablo_rojo | (18 min left) | 07:42 |
| mattoliverau | can't remember, probably me, though I do remember someone saying they might have a contact or something on the inside (or we needed to find one). That was pre 2nd baby so my brain is pretty fried :P | 07:42 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah I was going to contact inspur or something | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | yeah that all sounds right | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, did you talk to the person? | 07:43 |
| * diablo_rojo thinks yes | 07:43 | |
| cmurphy | I emailed them but they didn't respond | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah yes. | 07:43 |
| cmurphy | and i continue to see the same types of changes from them | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Booo | 07:44 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, did you want to try again? Or want someone else to try? | 07:44 |
| cmurphy | i'd be interested to see if someone else has better luck/a better approach | 07:44 |
| mattoliverau | which one did you email? | 07:45 |
| cmurphy | melissaml | 07:45 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, you wanna give it a try? | 07:45 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb? | 07:45 |
| tonyb | Sure I can try | 07:46 |
| * diablo_rojo envisions tonyb waiting for the minute to pass before agreeing | 07:46 | |
| diablo_rojo | Oh cool :) | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank you :) | 07:46 |
| mattoliverau | lol, yeah, I was waiting 1 minute and 1 second :P | 07:46 |
| tonyb | Which one shoudl I try first? | 07:46 |
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| tonyb | mattoliverau: good plan. | 07:47 |
| diablo_rojo | Go for melissaml who isn't on the list in the agenda actually | 07:47 |
| tonyb | Okay | 07:47 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, did you still want to find an inspur person? | 07:48 |
| mattoliverau | sure | 07:48 |
| mattoliverau | I'll try contacting the dev directly first. | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, cool, sounds good to me | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, like...all the rest of them on the agenda? | 07:49 |
| * diablo_rojo can't remember if they are all from inspur | 07:49 | |
| mattoliverau | nah, inspur 99cloud and 163.com | 07:50 |
| tonyb | I think the last 2 domains are basically the just mail hosts like @gmail.com | 07:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so the 99cloud and 163 ones are up for grabs | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | yeah | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | (8 min left) | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | I can take them if no one wants to volunteer | 07:52 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: amybe leave them for next year ? | 07:53 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, yeah even if I took them, I wouldn't send anything till the first week of January probably | 07:53 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: fair | 07:54 |
| diablo_rojo | I can take the todos to talk to the last three(?) but I wont email them till the new year | 07:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay so I think that does it for the agenda | 07:56 |
| mattoliverau | up to you, tonyb and myself could give our peeps a go. and report back next meeting, next year. | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 07:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:56 | |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, that sounds good too | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | So our next scheduled meeting is January 1st.. | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Do we want to keep it? Or cancel that? | 07:56 |
| mattoliverau | Maybe skip that one? | 07:56 |
| * cmurphy would not make that one | 07:57 | |
| diablo_rojo | Up to you all. I was maybe going to work that day so it makes no difference to me :) | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds like two votes to cancel | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | I'll be at a holiday house on philip island, so probably wouldn't make it.. however, with my in-laws so maybe I would :P | 07:57 |
| tonyb | cancel | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | but seriously, yeah cancel | 07:58 |
| diablo_rojo | LOL | 07:58 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah okay. I'll send an email to the discuss list tomorrow | 07:58 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, we should hang out while you are in the US and only 3 hours away | 07:59 |
| mattoliverau | 1 more minute | 07:59 |
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| diablo_rojo | Anyone got anything else? | 08:00 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 08:00 |
| tonyb | not from me | 08:00 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: :D | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Have a good rest of 2018 everyone! | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | you too!!!! | 08:01 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks everyone! | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 19 08:02:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-12-19-07.00.html | 08:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-12-19-07.00.txt | 08:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-12-19-07.00.log.html | 08:02 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| janders | g'day! :) | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 19 11:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | janders: you are quick :-) | 11:00 |
| oneswig | g'day back | 11:00 |
| janders | :) how are things? | 11:00 |
| priteau | Hello there | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_December_19th_2018 | 11:00 |
| verdurin | Morning. | 11:01 |
| oneswig | All good here, thanks. Been a busy couple of weeks. I presented 3 times in two weeks, on 3 different subjects... | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Morning verdurin priteau | 11:01 |
| oneswig | all well? | 11:01 |
| janders | that is very busy indeed! :) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | All done now, just need to catch up on the Christmas shopping | 11:02 |
| janders | haha same here :) | 11:02 |
| janders | we're sorting out a couple different procurement activities if that counts as Christmas shopping | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | ooh, like what? | 11:02 |
| janders | looking good, should have some cool things to work on next year | 11:02 |
| janders | mostly hardware | 11:02 |
| janders | for the cyber system based on SuperCloud architecture | 11:03 |
| janders | s/cyber/cybersecurity | 11:03 |
| oneswig | Is the SuperCloud scaling up for production now? | 11:03 |
| janders | we'll be writing prod-ready provisioning code from early jan | 11:03 |
| janders | we switched focus to other things (like BeeGFS) while in tender mode | 11:04 |
| janders | when the new equipment lands we should be able to build it pretty quickly | 11:04 |
| oneswig | I met some BeeGFS guys at a conference last week and got a couple of lovely led-bejewelled BeeGFS pin badges from it :-) | 11:04 |
| janders | excellent! :) | 11:05 |
| oneswig | by provisioning code, you're talking tripleo heat templates or what? | 11:05 |
| janders | I finally had a chance to think a bit about what we want from BeeGFS from the OpenStack angle | 11:05 |
| janders | yes, among other things | 11:05 |
| janders | but that's a fair part of it | 11:05 |
| oneswig | How is it differing from the pilot system you're currently developing on? | 11:06 |
| janders | we might try to apply the ephemeral hypervisor philosophy to more OpenStack components, so the tripleo run might be just one stage of building the system up | 11:06 |
| janders | more emphasis on resiliency | 11:06 |
| janders | and security | 11:07 |
| oneswig | It will be fascinating to see where you take this in 2019. | 11:07 |
| janders | the prototype focused on proving that the concept is sound and demonstrating the baremetal capability | 11:08 |
| oneswig | Seems you're not the only one blurring the baremetal boundaries. | 11:08 |
| janders | the next one will have all that, but should be able to withstand a fair bit more punishment and hardware failures :) | 11:08 |
| oneswig | mgoddard shared this spec out for review on future Ironic-Kubernetes integration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/625730 | 11:09 |
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| mgoddard | I'd guess it's quite a way off yet, but interesting to see where ironic could be in a few years | 11:10 |
| oneswig | Is there a term to describe this pattern of running different layers of services mixed up together? | 11:10 |
| mgoddard | maybe less, depending on how keen RH are | 11:10 |
| janders | excellent work! :) | 11:10 |
| oneswig | Anyway, I guess we should get to the agenda (there's not much on it, but we are starting with AOB) | 11:11 |
| oneswig | #topic 2018 retrospective | 11:11 |
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| oneswig | I realised this week I did nothing to write up the activities from the Berlin summit | 11:12 |
| oneswig | Which was unfortunate as there was a good deal going on. | 11:12 |
| oneswig | I finally managed a write-up of the presentation I did at Ceph days Berlin, so it must be next... | 11:13 |
| oneswig | #link HBP presentation from Ceph days Berlin https://www.stackhpc.com/ceph-on-the-brain-a-year-with-the-human-brain-project.html | 11:13 |
| oneswig | The most interesting piece from this was the performance quirks of Intel NVMEs using LVM and Bluestore (current Ceph best practice) | 11:14 |
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| oneswig | From my SIG-centric POV it's been unfortunate that Blair is not so hands-on with OpenStack in his new job - hopefully he'll get back to that... | 11:17 |
| janders | excellent work guys! | 11:17 |
| oneswig | thanks janders :-) | 11:17 |
| janders | I'm quiet cause I'm barely keeping up to read through the links | 11:17 |
| janders | but topics are so interesting I cant resist reading right now | 11:17 |
| janders | bluestore seems ground breaking | 11:17 |
| oneswig | it made a huge difference in our tests | 11:18 |
| janders | have you guys looked into IOPS on NVMe-ceph much? | 11:19 |
| janders | I just skimmed through the later part of the article, sorry if I missed it | 11:20 |
| oneswig | Not so much on IOPS, I was testing at the RADOS level and looked almost exclusively at aggregate bandwidth. | 11:20 |
| oneswig | We've been doing some work recently on processing the latency histograms from multiple client runs of fio and resampling to generate a single latency histogram, which is pretty cool | 11:21 |
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| oneswig | I was also interested in gathering input on what we should do differently in 2019. Any thoughts on things we should be doing? | 11:23 |
| janders | I haven't done any work with ceph/bluestore myself but the concept makes perfect sense and your results reflect that | 11:23 |
| janders | I like the final comment on xfs vs bluestore on ceph blog: | 11:24 |
| oneswig | It was a good result, I was happy to see it! | 11:24 |
| janders | In the end, we found there was nothing wrong with XFS; it was simply the wrong tool for the job. | 11:24 |
| janders | :) | 11:24 |
| oneswig | ha, that's nice. | 11:24 |
| janders | I am very happy with the SIG, lots of good discussions and inspiring ideas, not sure what I'd change | 11:26 |
| oneswig | OK that's good to know, thanks. Any thoughts from anyone else? | 11:26 |
| janders | location of the at-the-Summit meeting rooms perhaps :) | 11:26 |
| janders | (the walk to the Berlin one was a bit of a challenge) | 11:27 |
| oneswig | We filled that room! | 11:27 |
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| janders | true! :) scientific stackers are a particularly hardy and stubborn types | 11:27 |
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| oneswig | We enjoy a hike | 11:28 |
| oneswig | #topic Conferences for 2019 | 11:28 |
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| oneswig | I had a few mails this week and it got me thinking we should gather details on conferences that might be of interest. | 11:28 |
| janders | great idea | 11:28 |
| janders | do you guys know what's the talk proposals deadline for the Lugano conference? | 11:29 |
| oneswig | #link London - UKRI cloud workshop https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/ukri-cloud-workshop-tickets-53580893896 | 11:29 |
| oneswig | verdurin: are you involved in this? | 11:29 |
| verdurin | oneswig: Yes, I am. We had a call about it on Monday. | 11:29 |
| oneswig | I've been a couple of times and found it to be a very informative day. | 11:30 |
| verdurin | Abstract submissions welcome, and accepted until mid-January. | 11:30 |
| oneswig | Is there a particular theme this year? | 11:30 |
| verdurin | We've suggested themes in the CfP - there's no overall theme beyond that. | 11:31 |
| oneswig | ok, thanks verdurin | 11:32 |
| oneswig | #link Lugano, Switzerland - HPC Advisory Council http://hpcadvisorycouncil.com/events/2019/swiss-workshop/submissions.php | 11:32 |
| oneswig | Very beautiful place to visit | 11:32 |
| oneswig | Last year there was a great discussion on hpc container infra, really useful. | 11:32 |
| oneswig | There's a sister conference in Perth janders - well worth the trip I'd say | 11:33 |
| oneswig | #link Singapore - SRECon Asia/Australia https://www.usenix.org/conference/srecon19asia/call-for-participation | 11:34 |
| janders | I see Perth is late August | 11:34 |
| janders | good to know | 11:34 |
| oneswig | I went to an SRECon before and found it pretty useful (although mostly in abstract terms, there's little consideration for OpenStack content) | 11:34 |
| janders | good excuse to escape the end of the winter here in Canberra :) | 11:34 |
| oneswig | janders: winter in Canberra... you'll be telling me there's a ski season next :-) | 11:35 |
| janders | not quite here but 2.5 drive away - yes! | 11:35 |
| oneswig | Any other conferences/workshops people would like to announce? | 11:36 |
| janders | it would be good to know what's the submission deadline for Lugano if you happen to know | 11:36 |
| janders | wasn't able to find it on the event website | 11:36 |
| janders | do you remember what was it like last year? | 11:37 |
| oneswig | I can't see a date for that either. | 11:37 |
| verdurin | Is it too early to start thinking about running something at ISC? | 11:38 |
| oneswig | verdurin: I was thinking about that too, we've not done that before and perhaps we should. | 11:38 |
| oneswig | Do you go? | 11:38 |
| verdurin | The same - haven't done before, quite likely to this time. | 11:39 |
| oneswig | John T is a regular there, I'll see what he thinks. | 11:39 |
| janders | oneswig: https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPLFErIFTfFqE2GPdq3EtVKgQutLsKIV8vAqB7t that's from June, somewhere over Perisher Valley, New South Wales | 11:41 |
| oneswig | That link's not working for me, alas | 11:41 |
| janders | https://photos.app.goo.gl/y8FyirV1G5XCEDLH7 | 11:43 |
| janders | sorry, google rewrites the URL after clicking, I copy pasted the re-written one | 11:43 |
| oneswig | Snow in Australia, looks good! | 11:44 |
| janders | good xc skiing up there | 11:44 |
| janders | Lugano or ISC would likely be good timing to present the work we're planing to do with Bright | 11:45 |
| janders | Lugano might be better if we make it early enough | 11:45 |
| oneswig | Sounds good to me - but much better to present work actually delivered than still in the conceptual phase :-) | 11:46 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:47 |
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| oneswig | What else is new? | 11:48 |
| janders | my guys are making good progress with benchmarking the BeeGFS | 11:48 |
| janders | I think they got up to 180GB/s on a quarter of the cluster | 11:48 |
| oneswig | That's huge! | 11:48 |
| oneswig | Are you OPA limited? | 11:49 |
| janders | 2xEDR | 11:49 |
| oneswig | Ah, of course, I forgot. | 11:49 |
| janders | I think the 24NVMes can do 26-28GB/s per node but 2xEDR ports cut that to around 24GB/s per node | 11:49 |
| oneswig | "only" 24GB/s... | 11:50 |
| oneswig | How many server nodes are delivering 180GB/s? | 11:51 |
| janders | John's hints were invaluable in making decisions on some of the config details - thanks for that | 11:51 |
| janders | checking the numbers now.. | 11:51 |
| oneswig | janders: you're welcome - share and enjoy | 11:51 |
| janders | 8 servers | 11:52 |
| janders | not sure how many clients | 11:52 |
| janders | and more precisely it's 180GB/s peak and 160GB/s sustained | 11:52 |
| janders | I think they used to run 8 clients, but they might have doubled or tripled that since, can't see the client number in the test report | 11:53 |
| oneswig | That's pretty much where the data point is on the graphs I've seen from Cambridge, and performance scales linearly from there to 24 servers. | 11:53 |
| janders | wow! that is great news for us | 11:54 |
| oneswig | #link "Hero Performance Numbers" - slide 35 https://www.stackhpc.com/resources/2018-11-12-Berlin-HBP-Ceph.pdf | 11:54 |
| janders | have you tested past 24? | 11:54 |
| oneswig | I don't think so. Not sure how many storage servers they have available | 11:54 |
| janders | we have 32, so not much more | 11:55 |
| janders | capacity requirement was quite high, hence 32 nodes with 24NVMes each | 11:55 |
| oneswig | That's a lot of nmve | 11:55 |
| janders | I never quite liked the NVMe density as this requires a fair bit of blocking but it does buy the capacity :) | 11:56 |
| janders | if it wasn't PCIe3 we'd perhaps be looking at 72GB/s per node | 11:56 |
| oneswig | janders: ever considered bcache with backing to something bigger and slower? | 11:57 |
| oneswig | Looking ahead to 2019, we have sessions planned on 2FA and iRODS in the pipeline for January. Anything else people would like to see? | 11:58 |
| janders | not at CSIRO - in my days at RHAT I did look at something similar | 11:58 |
| oneswig | If we are looking at iRODS, we might also want to look at Rucio | 11:58 |
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| oneswig | OK, we are at time - anything more to add? | 11:59 |
| janders | one last comment on BeeGFS - I finally spent some time thinking about BeeGFS-OpenStack integration ideas - will share a googly doc | 11:59 |
| oneswig | janders: the people I met were very enthusiastic about this, please do! | 11:59 |
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| verdurin | janders: yes, would be interested to see | 11:59 |
| janders | what I have right now is nothing groundbreaking but it'll be a start | 12:00 |
| janders | and other than that - Merry Christmas All! :) | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Same to you janders - seasons greetings everyone | 12:00 |
| janders | I'll be away 21 Dec - 6 Jan so speak after the break | 12:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 19 12:00:38 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-12-19-11.00.html | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-12-19-11.00.txt | 12:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-12-19-11.00.log.html | 12:00 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 19 16:00:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 16:00 |
| enriquetaso | o/ | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | .o. | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita enriquetaso | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (¬_¬)ﾉ | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
| LiangFang | o/ | 16:01 |
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| * jungleboyj is leaving one meeting and needs coffee quick. | 16:01 | |
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| rosmaita | that was quick | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, just needed to walk upstairs. :-) | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so looks like we have quorum. | 16:04 |
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| * jungleboyj welcomes lbragstad We are just getting started | 16:05 | |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Not a lot here at the moment. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Well, I guess that isn't true. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | First, we won't have a meeting on 12/26 as I am guessing a lot of people will be on vacation. I am planning to be. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | I could host a meeting if people wanted it. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone feel a pressing need for that though? | 16:06 |
| whoami-rajat | can attend if it will happen. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, don't see people begging to have one. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | So, lets take a break on 12/26 and then return on 1/2/2019. | 16:08 |
| whoami-rajat | Sure. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | I'll be out the 24th through the 2nd. Not sure if I'll bring my laptop with me yet, but ping me if needed. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I think it will be important to get back together on 1/2 as we will be coming up on milestone 2. | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | Have some drivers to look at and try to get merged. Perhaps. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | So, that would be my other announcement. For drivers that are trying to get merged that should be our review focus right now. | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | As far as my vacation I am off 12/22 to 1/2/2019 but I will be checking mail and IRC and stuff. Just may be slower responses than usual. | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Any other comments around all of that? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Just pay attention to our deadlines for milestone 2. | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Those hoping to get drivers in, make sure code is complete, CI is reporting, and you respond quickly to any review commeents. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | *comments | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Moving on. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | For cores, maybe if there are minor issues to address, might be good to accept the driver if all else is good and make sure there are follow ups to fix the minor things. | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Agreed. If they have their CI running and everything I would agree with that. | 16:13 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: I can remove my -2 from Hedvig driver if team is OK to merge it | 16:13 |
| eharney | did hedvig ever pass the expected tempest tests? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: So, they have had their CI running and have been responding to comments. | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: I think they just got the last test case running. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: I thought I saw them mention that yesterday. They pinged you too. | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: If you are OK with their response. | 16:15 |
| e0ne | I'm still not happy with logging errors and unit tests | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | There was still an issue with shelve, but personally I'm fine with that being skipped for now. | 16:16 |
| e0ne | I can -1 on it with a comment | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: I need to take a look at their response. It isn't my favorite design. | 16:16 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Wouldn't be surprised if the shelve issue is not on their end. | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Is the main concern logging? | 16:16 |
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| eharney | hmm, they said yesterday that they had to make a fix on their backend to pass test_volume_boot_pattern .... concerning | 16:17 |
| eharney | but ok | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure if we dug into all of the storage backends, there would be a lot considered "concerning". ;) | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: True. | 16:18 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: they don't have unit tests for work with their rest client too | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | To some extent, this is their driver. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Lets not minus two. | 16:19 |
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| e0ne | ok | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Lets keep pushing to get the unit tests in and see where we are at on 1/2 and re-address. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | ++ | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. The RSD driver is going to be in the same boat. | 16:20 |
| e0ne | I changed my vote to -1 | 16:20 |
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| e0ne | feel free to ignore it and +2 :) | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: I need to look through it again. | 16:21 |
| e0ne | sure | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Anything more on that? | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Issues with Check and Gate jobs failing | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | So, this came up last week. | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | tldr; We have gate jobs that are intermittently failing and making it hard for other projects to merge their code. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-December/000868.html | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | Way too many rechecks lately. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | There was a patch to try and address this that went in middle of last week. It was hoped that adding locking around LVM commands might fix it but that didn't appear to fix things. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | So, we need to come up with a plan to address the intermittent Cinder failures. | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | We did end up switching to setting direct-io on the loopback devices, so we'll see if that makes that issue better. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | The locking did not. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | There are a bunch of other issues tagged as Cinder in elastic recheck. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone with time, feel free to investigate those. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok. I forgot about the directio change. That is good. Hopefully that will make a difference. | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah. Argh. eharney is gone. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | enriquetaso: You are working on Q/A testing with eharney. Right? | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: You were working on look through some of the bugs right? | 16:29 |
| enriquetaso | jungleboyj:yup, I'm reviwing eric patch's and trying to add more tests | 16:29 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: yes, yikun and i pushed fix for one of the gate issues. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. So another way to help is to take a look at gate failures/elastic-recheck bugs. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Awesome! Thank you! | 16:30 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: i didn't dig deep into the ones listed above. | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, I think if you are needing guidance focusing on the ones in the elastic-recheck list is the best place to start. | 16:30 |
| enriquetaso | I'll not be on PTO next week, so I'll take a look at it jungleboyj | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | enriquetaso: Ok. Cool. Thank you! | 16:31 |
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| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: sure, will look at eleastic-recheck's bugs. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Thank you. Is the patch you are talking about the one at the bottom of this week's agenda? | 16:32 |
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| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: no, | 16:33 |
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| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Which patch is the one for the gate issue? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | We should get review priority to that. | 16:33 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1803648 | 16:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1803648 in Cinder "gate failure : testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: 'volume.retype' != 'backup.createprogress'" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Rajat Dhasmana (whoami-rajat) | 16:33 |
| whoami-rajat | this one. | 16:33 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: its merged now. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Ok. Cool. Thank you! | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | I thought we merged a fix for that. | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, sounds like we did. | 16:34 |
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| whoami-rajat | smcginnis: yes | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so I think we can move on from that. We have raised awareness and have people will to help out there. Thank you. | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, the next topic has been addressed. | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic review priority gerrit votes: | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | OK, so some folks have noticed this already. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | #link http://tiny.cc/CinderPriorities | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Following something that has been working well for designate, I've added a Review-Priority to Gerrit for Cinder projects. | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah. Nice addition. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | This allows cores to set a priority between -1 to +1. | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | -1 will actually block merges, so this is a more specific or clearer way to do a procedural -2. | 16:37 |
| enriquetaso | ++ | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | huh TIL | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Making it obvious that it's not a code review -2 and that it's just something we want to hold on for now. | 16:38 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: cool | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:38 |
| xyang | Is this a Cinder specific thing? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Can the -1 be overridden by other reviewers? | 16:38 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: it's sticky, not like the workflow flag, right? | 16:38 |
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| lbragstad | is there a document describing how to set that up? | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | It also allows us to set things as High Priority (+2) or just a plain priority (+1) | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I don't believe so. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | xyang: We copied designate. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so the person who did the -1 will still have to remove it. | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | lbragstad: I don't believe so, but if you want to look into it for keystone we can go over the patches to set it up. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I believe so. | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | thanks | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | SO this let's us do nice things like the dashboard I linked to above. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | The hope is that in addition to or in place of the spec review tracking etherpad we've had, we can have a nice focused review dashboard for those things. | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: And easier to update / track /etc. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | So cores with limited time to spend reviewing can just go to that dashboard and know what is important to get eyes on. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you so much for setting that up. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | No problem. | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Up to you I guess on how you want to handle setting those, but I was thinking if cores are aware of something that is really important to get in, anyone can set a priority flag to get that marked and hopefully get things through quickly. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | So things like drivers up until the deadline, important features, or even bug fixes. | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I think all of the cores should contribute there. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | I figure we can try this out for awhile. If it works, great. If it doesn't end up being useful, we can just revert the gerrit ACLs that set this up. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Makes sense to me. | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | Unless there's questions, that's all I have on it. Ping me in the channel if there are questions that come up later. | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That is a great addition. Thank you for the help there. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | I hope it helps get the important things through faster. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | That's all. | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. On to our last topic: | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | Follow up on last week's bug: | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1733315 | 16:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1733315 in python-openstackclient "cinder-backup - CLI 'VolumeBackupsRestore' object is not iterable" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rajat Dhasmana (whoami-rajat) | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Set topic? | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Follow up on last week's bug: | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/624860/ | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Anything particular on this topic? | 16:46 |
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| enriquetaso | I'm facing the same error... if someone else could try to reproduce the bug It will help me | 16:47 |
| whoami-rajat | We've had a discussion last week on the openstack client bug which should be closed or not. It reproduced in my environment and I pushed up a fix for it. Just wanted to bring it up for everyone to take a look if it got missed. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Nit, but commit summaries should state what is being done, not what the problem is. | 16:47 |
| whoami-rajat | smcginnis: ok, will do. Thanks. | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah, I think that looks ok to me. If you are able to explain the fix there that would be great. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | Not critical, but just for future reference it's best to just say what the patch does. | 16:48 |
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| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok sure. i explained the details in the launchpad bug. will summarize it in the commit message. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Cool. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else? | 16:49 |
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| whoami-rajat | smcginnis: ok, i will mind it from next time . | 16:49 |
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| smcginnis | Sorry, I didn't mean to derail any conversation there. :] | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | No worries. | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So that covers the agenda. | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion. | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | I did want to mention python version support. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | According to our policy in the past of targeting the LTS releases at the start of a cycle, py35 is no longer our target runtime and we should be focused on 3.6 and getting ready for 3.7. | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | Unless I missed it, we still have an issue with 3.7 with one of the Dell EMC drivers through its use of taskflow. | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | Probably not critical until train, but still important to be aware of. | 16:53 |
| lbragstad | I've noticed that cinder has been working through a bunch of changes that add more robust policy testing - which is great | 16:53 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:policy_in_code_test | 16:53 |
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| lbragstad | i wanted to swing by today and see if anyone from the cinder team has questions about the approach that I can answer? | 16:54 |
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| lbragstad | i know rosmaita and i had a conversation the other day | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, thanks for your input on those lbragstad. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | Might be good for us to mark those as priority patches. | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | yeah - no problem | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | lbragstad: ++ Thank you. | 16:55 |
| lbragstad | this is going to be something a lot of other projects are going to have to do too | 16:55 |
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| lbragstad | so i want to get early feedback on what the complicated parts are from early adopters (cinder being the example here) | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | Will be good then having these as examples that those other projects can then follow too. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | I have set them to high priority. Glad that we have been working on adding those tests. | 16:56 |
| lbragstad | ultimately, our goal with better policy testing is to be as simple as possible, so that it's super easy to see who can access the API based on their authorization (e.g., modeling a keystone token) | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | I've looked at some of them and just need time to work through the rest. | 16:57 |
| lbragstad | the advantage for y'all is that you'll be able to implement things like a read-only role easier by evolving the policies with a higher level of confidence | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | So far so good. | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | ++ | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | That is good as that has been an area of interest lately. | 16:57 |
| rosmaita | i am kind of skeptical of this testing approach, though | 16:58 |
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| lbragstad | really, instead of having to rely on keystone (thus building functional tests), yikun is using an oslo.context object to represent what keystonemiddleware and oslo.context would parse from a keystone token | 16:58 |
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| lbragstad | rosmaita what are your reservations? | 16:58 |
| rosmaita | i'm having trouble articulating this | 16:59 |
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| lbragstad | :) | 17:00 |
| rosmaita | it seems that if everything is default, it's fine more or less | 17:00 |
| rosmaita | but this is an area where it is unlikely you will want the default | 17:00 |
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| lbragstad | by everything do you mean policies? | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Times up. Let's move to -cinder? | 17:00 |
| rosmaita | yes | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | alright, meet you there | 17:00 |
| rosmaita | sure | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone for joining. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 17:01 |
| whoami-rajat | Thanks. | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | Have a merry Christmas and Happy New Year! | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 19 17:01:21 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-12-19-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | Happy festivus. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-12-19-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-12-19-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 19 21:01:17 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome | 21:02 |
| notmyname | not sure who else will be here. there's a few people I know are out today | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | today i wanted to talk about the 2.20.0 release | 21:02 |
| notmyname | first up, it's done! | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:03 |
| kota_ | yey! | 21:03 |
| kota_ | congrats! | 21:03 |
| notmyname | thanks for your work on it | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | the superuser people asked me to write up a short blog post on it. it's published at http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/a-birds-eye-view-of-swift-2-20-0/ | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/a-birds-eye-view-of-swift-2-20-0/ | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | ^for the people reading meeting minutes later ;) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:04 |
| notmyname | the 2.19 -> 2.20 gap was pretty large (four months), and there were a lot of good changes | 21:04 |
| notmyname | the s3 compatibility stuff definitely unblocks a lot of future s3 compat work. | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I know swiftstack will be looking at versioning soon | 21:05 |
| kota_ | nice | 21:05 |
| notmyname | timburke: kota_: mattoliverau: any comments about the release? anythign that went well or poorly? | 21:05 |
| timburke | and i can finally switch people from using (my hacked up) swift3! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | +1 | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | ^ I was just about to ask timburke if it was enough for that. | 21:06 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | so great! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I have a slight preference for not waiting 4 months until the next release, but I don't feel like we missed any opportunities by not releasing earlier | 21:07 |
| notmyname | as a reminder, here's the openstack stein schedule: | 21:07 |
| notmyname | #link https://releases.openstack.org/stein/schedule.html | 21:07 |
| notmyname | the important thing is the april deadline for a release | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I don't know if we'll have one before then or not, but we definitely will have a release that week (or slightly before) | 21:08 |
| timburke | yeah, given the final release deadline of Apr 1-5, we'd better not wait four months for the next one ;-) | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | kk, and maybe a swift client release around march would be good too, if I read that right | 21:08 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: oh. right. swiftclient. | 21:09 |
| timburke | +1 | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | well that's when they want to freeze | 21:09 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | oh, right. I want to also tag some stable releases as well | 21:09 |
| timburke | Mar 4-8: Final release for client libraries | 21:09 |
| notmyname | we've got some backports to land | 21:09 |
| notmyname | and by "we" I know it means me ;-) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | but any +1s there makes it easier for me to quickly land them | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:10 |
| timburke | you know notmyname, you *can* delegate authority ;-) | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | I used to run some stable saio intances, maybe I should do that thing again. it made testing backports easier | 21:10 |
| notmyname | timburke: in this case, I'm not actually sure if I can. perhaps | 21:10 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: we've got the experimental jobs that look good | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | need to talk to stable team | 21:11 |
| notmyname | TBH, I probably won't look at them until january. I'm only in the office today and tomorrow, then I'll be off until jan 2 | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah, btw timburke awesome work on testing jobs and awesomeness. | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I don't think our stable branch policy and reviews is something that needs a lot of changes right now | 21:11 |
| notmyname | yeah, the new zuul tests are great and made me a lot more confident in this release | 21:12 |
| timburke | eh? oh, the busted jobs...? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | not any more! | 21:12 |
| timburke | tdasilva is the one to thank for the rolling upgrade, though :-) make me feel much better | 21:12 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:13 |
| notmyname | looking ahead, py3 is a looming thing. zaitcev is working hard on it. canonical stopped by to ask for it. mattoliverau needs it for suse | 21:13 |
| timburke | account server should be good! hopefully | 21:13 |
| notmyname | the "real" deadline is basically 12 months from now. the openstack deadline is the end of the T release. however, all the distros are cutting some sort of LTS before then, so that's what they're tracking | 21:13 |
| timburke | 🤞 | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, I saw this morning that landed. nice | 21:14 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:14 |
| timburke | how hopeful are we that we can do it by stein? | 21:14 |
| timburke | how much will it hurt if we don't? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | timburke: I think if we don't, swift may not be included in "openstack" by some distros | 21:15 |
| timburke | might be the sort of questions for which it'd be nice to have zaitcev :-) | 21:15 |
| timburke | good point. gotta hurt a bit | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | tbh the whole latin-1/ascii for wsgi and utf8 encoded breaks my head. Oh zaitcev responded in the patch.. I shall read it and hopfully some balls will drop. | 21:16 |
| timburke | it's icky, and unfortunate. i can talk after the meeting about it if you want | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I think I've said everythign that I was wanting to say about the release and what's likely coming in january | 21:18 |
| notmyname | kota_: mattoliverau: timburke: anything else to bring up or to add? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | kota_: you and tdasilva and rledisez will be at FOSDEM next month. I hope you all have a great time | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: sure, though I'll probably forget over the Christmas holidays :P I'll read what zaitcev wrote and then get back to you. maybe in the new year :P last week for me too. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau and I will be at LCA at about the same time | 21:18 |
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| timburke | dunno if anyone else has seen IOErrors popping out of eventlet, but i wrote up https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/pull/532 to fix some i saw | 21:19 |
| kota_ | notmyname: I'm planning it. I'm looking forward to making it :) | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: you should come to LCA ;) then we can have 3 at each! | 21:19 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:20 |
| timburke | might be a little late to buy travel ;-) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | all right, then | 21:21 |
| notmyname | reminder that there is no meeting next week | 21:21 |
| notmyname | next meeting is jan 2, and I expect us to pretty much just talk about this same stuff, to remind ourselves what we forgot :-) | 21:22 |
| kota_ | have a good christmas week and a new year! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | thanks. and same to everyone else :-) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | thanks for your work on swift | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 19 21:23:14 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-12-19-21.01.html | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-12-19-21.01.txt | 21:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-12-19-21.01.log.html | 21:23 |
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