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| joehuang | hello | 01:06 |
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| RongHui11 | hello | 01:06 |
| dongfeng | hi | 01:06 |
| joehuang | just enter a wrong meeting room | 01:06 |
| Yipei | hi | 01:06 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 01:06 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 01:07:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:07 |
| joehuang | #topic pike release schedule | 01:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike release schedule (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:07 | |
| joehuang | hello, the pike release schedule is https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 01:07 |
| joehuang | #info pike release schedule | 01:08 |
| joehuang | #info pike release schedule https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 01:08 |
| joehuang | we'll have pike-3 on Jul 28 | 01:08 |
| joehuang | let's discuss whether there is challenge for features to land | 01:09 |
| joehuang | one by one? | 01:09 |
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| dongfeng | documentation for routing pagination is under review. may be land in time | 01:09 |
| xuzhuang | for job pagination, under modifying after reviews | 01:11 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:12 |
| RongHui11 | for the QoS, merge the two parts and try to pass the jenkins test | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | the smoke test engine has been implemented, may be landed on time. also I have written test for trunk/service function chaining using that engine | 01:12 |
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| joehuang | yes, I saw that many tests not passed for QoS patch | 01:13 |
| Yipei | for lbaas, already finish lbaas in multiple region, it works across instances residing in one subnet, but fail among instances of different subnets | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | though only creation is tested for trunk/service function chaining, it can be improved later | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | so I mark them as WIP | 01:13 |
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| joehuang | ok, fine. Smoke test should be in high priority to ensure code is merged with quality | 01:14 |
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| joehuang | To yipei, this is great progress | 01:14 |
| Yipei | neutron_lbaas checks whether the subnet of another region exists, and fail to find it | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan | because the subnet is not created in that region? | 01:15 |
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| Yipei | to zhiyuan, yes, i try to add an instance of anther region as a member | 01:16 |
| joehuang | I remember that we discussed in the past for subnet in the local Neutron | 01:18 |
| joehuang | how to deal with the subnet issue if it's not there for LBaaS | 01:18 |
| zhiyuan | yes, I remember that we need to recognize that the get-subnet request is from LB so we redirect the request to central Neutron | 01:19 |
| joehuang | #info for lbaas, already finish lbaas in multiple region, it works across instances residing in one subnet, but fail among instances of different subnets | 01:19 |
| joehuang | Ronghui, please make sure the patch pass all test, so that further review can be done | 01:20 |
| RongHui11 | got | 01:20 |
| RongHui11 | it | 01:21 |
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| zhiyuan | to yipei, need to check the LB code to see how it validates the existence of the subnet so we can figure out how to play the trick | 01:21 |
| joehuang | ok, it's better to include the cli for tricircle API in pike | 01:21 |
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| joehuang | curl is not friendly | 01:22 |
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| Yipei | to zhiyuan, got it | 01:22 |
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| dongfeng | add a link to python tricircleclient at tricircle github directly? | 01:23 |
| joehuang | #info discuss how to validates the existence of the subnet in LBaaS | 01:23 |
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| joehuang | to dongfeng, just need to finish the feature tricircle client, it's can be discovered by openstackclient | 01:23 |
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| dongfeng | yes | 01:24 |
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| dongfeng | I use openstack --help can find the command for it | 01:24 |
| dongfeng | I find some issues in current implementation of job cli. I'm modifying it | 01:25 |
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| joehuang | ok, dongfeng, do you think the cli for job and routing could be ready in two weeks? | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | cli for routing already implemented | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | it's done by victor | 01:26 |
| dongfeng | now I only need to implement job cli. I think it can be complete | 01:26 |
| joehuang | great, so only job, but how to support pagination in cli? | 01:27 |
| dongfeng | job pagination in not implemented in tricircle | 01:27 |
| dongfeng | routing pagination can be added to cli in the future | 01:28 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:28 |
| joehuang | dongfeng, could you initiate one discussion in openstack mail-list, how to implement pagination in cli | 01:31 |
| joehuang | if cli will query all pages and display together, the client will be too busy to display information | 01:32 |
| joehuang | how openstack deal with cli in pagination with consistent experienec? | 01:32 |
| dongfeng | ok, no problem | 01:33 |
| joehuang | #action discuss how to implement pagination query in cli, not lead to cli not working | 01:34 |
| joehuang | so I am wondering the usability of CLI if we can not make CLI work well with huge mount of data | 01:37 |
| joehuang | pagination is to divide the burden from the server side | 01:37 |
| joehuang | but if cli can now work well for pagination(have to show all data in one command), then it's terrible in production | 01:38 |
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| joehuang | but if cli can not work well for pagination(have to show all data in one command), then it's terrible in production | 01:39 |
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| joehuang | fortunately we support API first, the client side can use curl to query page by page | 01:40 |
| joehuang | Hi, Ronghui, do you think QoS can be landed in time for pike-3 | 01:41 |
| joehuang | the milestone is Jul 28 | 01:42 |
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| RongHui11 | i think there is no problem | 01:42 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's try best to review the code. And if you want QoS to land in Pike-3, please update the patch as fast as possible after new review comment arrived, and make sure all test passed before next review | 01:45 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 01:45 |
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| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 01:46 |
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| joehuang | any topic to discuss? | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | no from me | 01:46 |
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| Yipei | no from me | 01:46 |
| RongHui11 | no | 01:46 |
| xuzhuang | no from me | 01:47 |
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| joehuang | ok, one more topic | 01:48 |
| joehuang | #topic PTL election | 01:48 |
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| joehuang | hello, the PTL election season starts | 01:48 |
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| joehuang | please nominate yourself if you want to serve as PTL in Queen cycle | 01:49 |
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| joehuang | the election process is here : https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 01:50 |
| joehuang | #info PTL nominationJul 31, 2017 23:59 UTCAug 09, 2017 23:45 UTC | 01:51 |
| joehuang | #info PTL electionsAug 09, 2017 23:59 UTCAug 16, 2017 23:45 UTC | 01:51 |
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| joehuang | I will be happy to stepping down from PTL after Pike for I have been PTL many cycles, so I hope you guys can step up for PTL role in Queen | 01:52 |
| joehuang | Any question on PTL election, you can send mail in openstack-dev mail-list | 01:53 |
| joehuang | other topic | 01:54 |
| joehuang | > | 01:54 |
| joehuang | other topic? | 01:54 |
| dongfeng | no | 01:54 |
| Yipei | no | 01:54 |
| xuzhuang | no | 01:54 |
| zhiyuan | no | 01:54 |
| joehuang | ok, let's end the meeting | 01:55 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 01:55:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-19-01.07.html | 01:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-19-01.07.txt | 01:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-07-19-01.07.log.html | 01:55 |
| joehuang | thanks, bye | 01:55 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 01:55 |
| Yipei | bye | 01:55 |
| dongfeng | bye. | 01:55 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 01:55 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 05:01 |
| tobberydberg | o/ | 05:01 |
| mrhillsman | any others here for uc meeting? | 05:02 |
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| mrhillsman | i will start and others can join i guess :) | 05:03 |
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| mrhillsman | #startmeeting uc | 05:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 05:03:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrhillsman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 05:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 05:03 |
| mrhillsman | #topic RollCall | 05:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: uc)" | 05:04 | |
| ad_rien_ | o/ Hi guys | 05:04 |
| mrhillsman | hey there ad_rien_ | 05:04 |
| tobberydberg | hi | 05:05 |
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| mrhillsman | hi tobberydberg | 05:05 |
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| b1airo | o/ | 05:05 |
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| mrhillsman | hey b1airo | 05:06 |
| mrhillsman | anyone else? | 05:06 |
| mrhillsman | alright, we'll go into the updates | 05:07 |
| martial | well me, but only for a short little bit longer | 05:07 |
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| mrhillsman | ok, i'll create a topic for each wg/team to provide an update | 05:08 |
| ad_rien_ | I read that the meeting will take place also on a video conf (but I didn't find the link)? | 05:08 |
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| mrhillsman | yeah, i saw that too, jamemcc initially championed this maybe he had one, i did not see it iether | 05:08 |
| b1airo | I am on mobile so could be a little flakey/slow - apologies in advance | 05:08 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Scientific WG Update | 05:09 |
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| mrhillsman | since you have to run martial figured you could start us off | 05:09 |
| martial | mrhillsman: thanks | 05:09 |
| martial | mrhillsman: b1airo and I are representing | 05:10 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok | 05:10 |
| martial | what do you want to know? | 05:10 |
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| mrhillsman | let's say 1-3 things currently working on | 05:11 |
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| martial | sure thing, so we have a few entries on the SWG wiki at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group | 05:12 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group | 05:12 |
| b1airo | We have probably 5-10 ppl (maybe ~15 distinct) showing up to IRC every week and discussing various topics of interest and new in the community. Particular areas of interest include: performance tuning for HPC workloads, scientific application sharing, federation, GPUs and accelerators | 05:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | b1airo: may I ask you wether the WG is active on each of these items (quite impressive actually)? | 05:13 |
| martial | Thanks b1airo, a particular topic lately is also the discussion of the possible coverage of OpenStack and Scientific research at SuperComputing17 | 05:14 |
| ad_rien_ | (BTW, I'm ad_rien_ representing the FEMDC WG) | 05:14 |
| b1airo | Both Stig and I have presented/represented in various forums over the last 6 months, e.g., next week I'll be talking at the HPC Advisory Council meeting in Perth | 05:14 |
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| martial | ad_rien: we have people introduce their work and discuss their research at different meetings | 05:15 |
| b1airo | In terms of activity, we are not currently driving any dev effort from within the WG but various members are active contributors to several projects and we try to promote specs/reviews of interest to the broader research/science computing community | 05:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | are you maintaining a etherpad/wiki page/…. where we can find details regarding progress of each sub activity? | 05:16 |
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| martial | research efforts are split, just as blair was explained | 05:17 |
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| ad_rien_ | I guess that questions related to the federation challenge are addressed/discussed in other WGs | 05:17 |
| martial | we usually add the etherpad links to the wiki page | 05:17 |
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| b1airo | We are currently looking at adding some content to the existing OpenStack HPC book, and I have a GPU guide draft waiting to find a home | 05:17 |
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| martial | depends on the topic of course, we tend to create those pads as needed | 05:18 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 05:19 |
| b1airo | The overarching Scientific-WG is really much more like a SIG. There are then some sub efforts, the most established of which right now is the Federation stuff | 05:19 |
| mrhillsman | thanks for sharing the update b1airo and martial | 05:19 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ScientificWGFederatedIdentityManagement | 05:19 |
| mrhillsman | thx for that link ad_rien_ | 05:19 |
| ad_rien_ | Is it that link for instance for the Federation Stuff? | 05:19 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 05:20 |
| b1airo | I am quite keen to see a way in which we can use our member base to contribute into spec reviews etc in a less ad-hoc fashion. E.g. using tags | 05:20 |
| mrhillsman | b1airo would you have time to draft up your idea? | 05:22 |
| mrhillsman | i'd like to move to the next group at this time | 05:23 |
| martial | I followed this link, it adds a Federated Identity user story | 05:23 |
| martial | ad_rien_: other topics are listed at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#Activity_Areas | 05:23 |
| mrhillsman | we can create some kind of summary from today and continue discussing and have some items for next meeting as well | 05:23 |
| b1airo | Also, right now I would characterise most of our membership as operators and/or architects (+ part time support/power users). So they are all keen to share but have little real time to give | 05:24 |
| b1airo | mrhillsman: yes, there is already a recent openstack-dev thread regarding actually - will ping it... | 05:24 |
| mrhillsman | cool | 05:24 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 05:24 |
| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston | 05:24 |
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| martial | this was the etherpad were we last discussed the work of the working group and our follow up topics for Sydney | 05:25 |
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| mrhillsman | awesome, thx for that link | 05:25 |
| martial | it will give you a better understanding of the scope of work of the members of the group | 05:26 |
| mrhillsman | ad_rien_ you're up :) | 05:26 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 05:26 |
| mrhillsman | #topic FEMDC WG | 05:26 |
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| mrhillsman | #topic FEMDC WG Update | 05:27 |
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| ad_rien_ | so we are running our WG for 3 or 4 cycles right now | 05:27 |
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| ad_rien_ | We try to maintain our wikipage | 05:27 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fog_Edge_Massively_Distributed_Clouds#Planned_Actions_for_Queen_cycle_.28additional_actions_can_be_proposed_during_our_IRC_meetings.29 | 05:27 |
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| ad_rien_ | and you can find details of our meetings (including progress on current actions at the end of the following etherpad) | 05:28 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 | 05:28 |
| ad_rien_ | Currently we are working on three actions: 1./ Evaluating RabbitMQ alternatives (mainly focusing on the qpid router solution proposed by Redhat) 2./ investigating the opportunity of using cockroachDB with keystone 3./ Idenfiying use-cases | 05:30 |
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| ad_rien_ | 1./ is mainly leaded by RedHat and Inria 2./ By Inria with the support of cockRoachlab and 3./ by few folks (beyond, Orange Labs, FBK, …) | 05:31 |
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| martial | very nice I must say | 05:31 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 05:31 |
| ad_rien_ | The general goal of our WG is to evaluate Vanilla OpenStack code in the context of Fog/Edge and Massively Distributed Clouds. | 05:31 |
| ad_rien_ | You can find the former actions on the wikipage. | 05:31 |
| ad_rien_ | We mainly evaluated OpenStack at WANWide scale | 05:32 |
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| b1airo | Lots of (potentially) small Cells? | 05:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | thanks to a tool the WG has developped/used for the three last cycles (I can give you further information if you want or just give a look to enOS in the aforementioned etherpad) | 05:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes the way of segregating OpenStack is also an action we discussed a few couple of times but because the cell V2 is still not mature (at least until the last cycle) this is an action we have postponed. | 05:34 |
| ad_rien_ | but we already identified several ways of segregating each micro DC (using regions or cells or…) | 05:34 |
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| mrhillsman | have folks from tricircle engaged with you all? | 05:34 |
| ad_rien_ | we discussed a couple of time with joechang (we had a shared presentation in Boston). | 05:35 |
| ad_rien_ | we are in touch but they do not take part to the meeting right now. | 05:35 |
| mrhillsman | ok good to know | 05:35 |
| ad_rien_ | One Phd student will start next October to investigate neutron related challenges (still in the context of FEMDC) | 05:35 |
| ad_rien_ | so we will probably get back to Tricircle. | 05:36 |
| mrhillsman | this coming october or next (2018) october? | 05:36 |
| ad_rien_ | this one mrhillsman | 05:36 |
| mrhillsman | ok great | 05:36 |
| ad_rien_ | our goal is really to try avoiding reinventing the wheel | 05:36 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 05:37 |
| martial | #link https://github.com/beyondtheclouds/enos | 05:37 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e., we want to check whether the current code can satisfied the FEMDC requirements before implementing new pieces of software) | 05:37 |
| mrhillsman | gotcha, totally makes sense | 05:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | we try to collaborate withe the NFV WG and LCCO (jamemcc) | 05:38 |
| ad_rien_ | but right now it is difficult to find recurrent people and combine our efforts | 05:38 |
| ad_rien_ | I hope these monthly meeting will enable us to solve the issue (or at least to enable collaborations) | 05:39 |
| mrhillsman | that is good to know, hopefully more meetings like this will help | 05:39 |
| ad_rien_ | From my side, I will read the document regarding the federation use-cases, it is definitely relevant for our WG. | 05:39 |
| mrhillsman | very good, any further details you would like to share or anyone would like to ask discuss re FEMDC WG? | 05:40 |
| ad_rien_ | that's ok from my side , thanks mrhillsman | 05:40 |
| mrhillsman | i think we had one more tobberydberg am I right? | 05:40 |
| tobberydberg | Yes =) | 05:41 |
| mrhillsman | cool, which WG/Team are you with tobberydberg | 05:41 |
| b1airo | mrhillsman: re. tags see e.g. "Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-dev] [all][tc] Turning TC/UC workgroups into OpenStack SIGs" | 05:41 |
| mrhillsman | thx b1airo i will check it | 05:41 |
| b1airo | Sean Dague suggested it there | 05:42 |
| tobberydberg | Since I'm pretty new here I start by introducing myself. Representing the still "un-official" working group Public Cloud | 05:42 |
| mrhillsman | #topic PublicCloud WG Update | 05:42 |
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| b1airo | But it's also something I raised to os-tags team in Barcelona | 05:42 |
| martial | ad_rien_: the next SWG meeting is in a little over 5 hours (1100 UTC), I am unclear if the people that wrote the Federation document are going to be present, but FYI | 05:42 |
| b1airo | Hi tobberydberg | 05:42 |
| tobberydberg | My name is Tobias Rydberg - I'm one of three chairs of the group | 05:42 |
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| mrhillsman | awesome, ty sir, i will get informed and we can work to push it | 05:42 |
| mrhillsman | welcome Tobias for joining | 05:43 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks! | 05:43 |
| mrhillsman | thx for joining :) | 05:43 |
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| tobberydberg | since we still are in-official we are of course working on getting approved =) | 05:43 |
| ad_rien_ | martial: thanks for letting me know | 05:44 |
| tobberydberg | But, in general...we would like to be the voice of public clouds inside the community | 05:44 |
| tobberydberg | We "started" late 2016, had a couple of pretty good Forum sessions in Boston - so we feel we are getting some traction | 05:45 |
| mrhillsman | great to hear | 05:46 |
| tobberydberg | Average of 5 people in our bi-weekly meetings that we have | 05:46 |
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| tobberydberg | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PublicCloudWorkingGroup | 05:46 |
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| mrhillsman | i like this - #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mf8OAyTzZxCKzYHMgBl-QK_2-XSycSkOjqCyMTIedkA | 05:47 |
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| martial | tobberydberg: something that might be relevant to your WG effort: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Boston-Cloud-Congress | 05:48 |
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| tobberydberg | The things that we are working on right now is 1. Organising PublicCloud WG Meetups 2. Keep working on out "missing features" list - turn them into specs 3. Something we call OpenStack Passport | 05:48 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks mrhillsman ... thats the link for missing features ... we will try to get that into a more official format during this cycle as well | 05:49 |
| mrhillsman | i linked to #2 above, stood out based on recent ML discussions regarding SIGs :) | 05:49 |
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| tobberydberg | martial: Haven't seen that - will look into it | 05:50 |
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| tobberydberg | And I guess that we will become more of a SIG than a traditional WG =) | 05:51 |
| mrhillsman | yes, i think there will be some structuring that affects everyone re move to SIGs | 05:52 |
| tobberydberg | We will very soon produce a draft of a spec for the OpenStack Passport | 05:52 |
| ad_rien_ | I though that a SIG will be temporary | 05:52 |
| mrhillsman | i love the passport idea, looking forward to it | 05:52 |
| tobberydberg | cool =) | 05:52 |
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| tobberydberg | That's basically all from my short update. Looking forward to be officially accepted ;-) | 05:53 |
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| mrhillsman | awesome, thx tobberydberg | 05:54 |
| mrhillsman | i will add the wg proposal for monday for official uc vote | 05:54 |
| b1airo | ad_rien_: I believe SIGs are intended to be long lived, Working Groups will be temporary, Teams I'm still a little confused about | 05:54 |
| tobberydberg | thanks mrhillsman | 05:55 |
| ad_rien_ | b1airo: thanks (I read a google doc a few days ago where I found the definition) | 05:55 |
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| mrhillsman | #topic Open Discussion | 05:55 |
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| b1airo | But an example world be docs team | 05:55 |
| b1airo | *would | 05:55 |
| mrhillsman | a good example of wg vs team is auc recognition wg vs product wg | 05:55 |
| mrhillsman | auc recognition is right for wg | 05:55 |
| ad_rien_ | I have another questions: there are many other WGs/Teams (for instance the LDT: large deployment team…) | 05:56 |
| mrhillsman | product wg will not be product team under newly ratified doc | 05:56 |
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| mrhillsman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484208/ | 05:56 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm wondering how we can make them participating in such a meeting where we can share questions/issues/on-going actions | 05:56 |
| b1airo | "now be" you mean mrhillsman ? | 05:56 |
| ad_rien_ | at least from my side, I would really like to have an update of alll those WGs/teams. | 05:57 |
| mrhillsman | yes, sorry | 05:57 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 05:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | I'm still convinced that there is a huge overlap between each WG/team | 05:57 |
| mrhillsman | i think a key to your question/desire ad_rien_ is for you all to let the UC know these and say it is what you want | 05:57 |
| ad_rien_ | :-) | 05:58 |
| mrhillsman | one thing we recently implemented/created is #openstack-uc | 05:58 |
| mrhillsman | rather than having to wait for an "official" meeting we now have that channel for async communication | 05:58 |
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| mrhillsman | i am pretty much in there all day | 05:59 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r3KwaG-SbvaKCuAE52XwPCF7cRGDrNRg6dUhPQWs0vU/edit | 05:59 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, we approved that and it is merged | 05:59 |
| ad_rien_ | I read this yesterday, it is writtent each WG char should join the UC IRC meeting ;) | 05:59 |
| ad_rien_ | I added a comment ( not sure it has been taken into account) | 05:59 |
| mrhillsman | so the meeting will be over in a couple minutes | 06:00 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 06:00 |
| mrhillsman | definitely | 06:00 |
| ad_rien_ | we can discuss that next time | 06:00 |
| mrhillsman | no need to wait so long #openstack-uc :) | 06:00 |
| mrhillsman | feel free to talk as much as you'd like there | 06:00 |
| ad_rien_ | right | 06:00 |
| martial | :) | 06:00 |
| ad_rien_ | I didn't see the merge request | 06:00 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484208/ | 06:01 |
| ad_rien_ | mrhillsman: thanks highly appreciated | 06:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok I think the time is over | 06:01 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks for chairing the discussion mrhillsman | 06:01 |
| mrhillsman | also the uc channel is connected to gerrit so changes hit that channel | 06:01 |
| mrhillsman | very welcome | 06:01 |
| mrhillsman | thank you all for joining! | 06:01 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks mrhillsman .. and rest of you | 06:02 |
| mrhillsman | really looking forward to doing more | 06:02 |
| mrhillsman | be sure you all are prepared for upcoming UC elections | 06:02 |
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| mrhillsman | 3 seats are up for election :) | 06:02 |
| mrhillsman | anything more? | 06:03 |
| ad_rien_ | mrhillsman: Link? | 06:03 |
| mrhillsman | we wrote up an article #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/user-committee-elections/ | 06:03 |
| mrhillsman | going to end meeting now to be in order :) | 06:03 |
| mrhillsman | #endmeeting | 06:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 06:03:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-07-19-05.03.html | 06:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-07-19-05.03.txt | 06:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-07-19-05.03.log.html | 06:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
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| verdurin | Afternoon, oneswig | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Precisely so | 11:00 |
| oneswig | afternoon verdurin | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_July_19th_2017 | 11:01 |
| Pelalil | oneswig, tom here, thanks for the email reminder 30min ago :) | 11:01 |
| daveholland | (I'm in a training course so just lurking in this meeting) | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | Hi Tom, very welcome | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 11:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 11:01 |
| oneswig | We have a shortish agenda for today but the main event is an interesting presentation on research by James at Sanger | 11:02 |
| zz9pzza | Hi | 11:03 |
| oneswig | greetings :-) | 11:03 |
| verdurin | Hello | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #topic OpenStack and Lustre | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | #link presentation on Lustre is at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kGRzcdVQX95abei1bDVoRzxyC02i89_m5_sOfp8Aq6o/edit#slide=id.g22aee564af_0_0 | 11:04 |
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| oneswig | zz9pzza: can you tell us a bit about the background? | 11:04 |
| zz9pzza | One of the things we have been worrying about is posix file access in openstack | 11:05 |
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| b1airo | o/ | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 11:06 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:06 |
| zz9pzza | We did some work with DDN ( not using any none standard/open software ) to see if we could allow access to lustre from different tenants to different bits of a lustre filesystem | 11:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 11:06 |
| b1airo | evening | 11:06 |
| zz9pzza | Hi | 11:06 |
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| zz9pzza | The short story is I think we could provide it as a service and we are definitely considering doing so | 11:06 |
| zz9pzza | We have one tenant about to use it in anger | 11:06 |
| verdurin | Hello b1airo | 11:06 |
| oneswig | Does it depend on the DDN Lustre distribution? | 11:06 |
| zz9pzza | No | 11:06 |
| zz9pzza | You need to have atleast lustre 2.9 | 11:07 |
| zz9pzza | And 2.10 is an lts release | 11:07 |
| zz9pzza | There a lbug that needs fixing but the fix is public | 11:07 |
| verdurin | Ah - was going to ask if any fixes had gone upstream | 11:07 |
| zz9pzza | https://jira.hpdd.intel.com/browse/LU-9289 | 11:07 |
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| zz9pzza | its a one line fix for a null termination error | 11:08 |
| zz9pzza | ( from memory ) | 11:08 |
| Pelalil | zz9pzza, are you using the ddn software stack, or just the ddn hardware with your own lustre install? | 11:08 |
| zz9pzza | It says it is in 2.10 | 11:08 |
| zz9pzza | We use DDN hardware. I believe the software is a ddn release but it is not required. DDN reinstalled a set of old servers for us as we didn't have the time | 11:09 |
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| zz9pzza | ( We used to install our own lustre servers but people wanted a more appliance approach ) We could still do it but we are a bit busy | 11:09 |
| zz9pzza | Basically the approach is to use lustre routers to isolate the tenant | 11:10 |
| zz9pzza | Use the 2.9 file sets and uid mapping so each tenant gets a different @tcp network | 11:10 |
| zz9pzza | We tried with both pyhsical and virtual lustre routers, both work | 11:11 |
| b1airo | why the net LNET routing, is that to integrate with OpenStack tenant/private networks ? | 11:11 |
| b1airo | s/net/need/ | 11:11 |
| zz9pzza | Its because you can't trust the tenant not to alter the network and the isolation is based on the lustre nid | 11:12 |
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| zz9pzza | The routers are in the control of the openstack/filesystem operators | 11:12 |
| b1airo | ahh ok, don't know anything about how the isolation works, guess that is a hard requirement then! | 11:12 |
| verdurin | zz9pzza: could all the background Lustre work be triggered by tenant creation in OpenStack? Or does it have to be handled separately? | 11:13 |
| oneswig | zz9pzza: how does the special role fit in? | 11:13 |
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| zz9pzza | "could all the background Lustre work be triggered by tenant creation in OpenStack? Or does it have to be handled separately?" I can imagine doing it all as part of a tenant creation SOP/script however we havn't done it. I would pre create the provisioning networks otherwise you would need to restart neutron on a tenant creation | 11:14 |
| zz9pzza | What do you mean by special role oneswig ? | 11:14 |
| oneswig | The Lnet-5 role | 11:15 |
| zz9pzza | So each filesystem isolation area needs to have a role associated with it. | 11:15 |
| oneswig | This role enables the creation of ports, the admins create the network and routers - is that it? | 11:15 |
| zz9pzza | That role allows the user to create a machine that has access to the provisioning network that has a lustre router on it | 11:16 |
| zz9pzza | So the role allows a user to create a machine where that machine has all the access to the data in that tenant | 11:16 |
| zz9pzza | My experiments only used a single uid/guid as root in the tenant could change their user to be what ever they wished. | 11:17 |
| zz9pzza | Does that make sense ? | 11:17 |
| zz9pzza | ( and yes "the admins create the network and routers - is that it?" ) | 11:17 |
| zz9pzza | If you had a tenant which had real multiple users in it you could expose more uid/guid space to that tenant | 11:18 |
| oneswig | I think so thanks. | 11:18 |
| zz9pzza | ( but root in the tenant could still read all the data of the tenant ) | 11:18 |
| oneswig | It makes sense for situations where there are project power users who create and set up infra for others on the team | 11:19 |
| zz9pzza | it could do yes | 11:20 |
| oneswig | The VLAN interface on the instances, have you tried using direct-bound ports on that, ie SR-IOV? | 11:20 |
| zz9pzza | We haven't we have a tendancy to keep things as simple as we can and optimise when we are more confident | 11:21 |
| zz9pzza | The performance was better than I expected without it. | 11:22 |
| oneswig | Sounds reasonable. What's the hypervisor networking configuration - a standard Red Hat setup or tuned in any particular way? | 11:22 |
| zz9pzza | The orignal runs were done completely in optimally. We had a kernel where we had to turn all hardware acceleration off. | 11:23 |
| zz9pzza | We upgraded the kernel and got a large performance boost with hardware acceleration on. | 11:23 |
| b1airo | zz9pzza, have you submitted this for a talk in Sydney by any chance? | 11:24 |
| oneswig | I think I saw something similar in our tests, but that was for offloads on VXLAN-tunneled packets | 11:24 |
| zz9pzza | When is Sydney ( and I present really really badly ) | 11:25 |
| zz9pzza | I don't think I can make that time in November | 11:25 |
| zz9pzza | If any one wanted to talk around it I wouldn't object and would help :) | 11:26 |
| oneswig | Alas, the formal deadline for presentation submissions was last Friday | 11:26 |
| b1airo | pity to waste a perfectly good slide-deck though! | 11:26 |
| zz9pzza | And it does work and solves a problem we in scientific research do have | 11:27 |
| oneswig | agreed! | 11:27 |
| zz9pzza | And it is all free software | 11:27 |
| oneswig | The results on slide 23 - what is the missing text in the legend "bare metal with..."? | 11:28 |
| zz9pzza | Just looking | 11:28 |
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| zz9pzza | I think it is dual physical routers, but I think that is an artifact of how our first instance of openstance uses bonding | 11:30 |
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| oneswig | For comparison, the Ceph filesystem was giving you about 200MB/s read performance, and you're seeing around 1300MB/s for single-client Lustre bandwidth? | 11:30 |
| zz9pzza | Our hypevisors are not using l3/l4 | 11:30 |
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| oneswig | ... but about 3000MB/s in an equivalent bare metal test | 11:31 |
| zz9pzza | Let me see if I can find the spreadsheet of doom which has raw numbers in it ( and the headings are less than obvious ) | 11:31 |
| b1airo | two instances of openstack = two completely separate clouds? or different regions, AZs, Cells, or something else...? | 11:32 |
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| zz9pzza | So are next openstack instance is on the same set of physical hardware | 11:33 |
| zz9pzza | We have enough controller type machines to have two instances running at once | 11:33 |
| martial | very nice speed up | 11:33 |
| zz9pzza | The next one is newton | 11:33 |
| zz9pzza | ( which has a better kernel and better bonding config ) | 11:34 |
| zz9pzza | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E-YOso5-aDTzn2m6lKoYwBNWHvgAIcrxM5SpxSBw0_Y/edit?usp=sharing | 11:35 |
| zz9pzza | I think that is it :) | 11:35 |
| zz9pzza | sorry its a bit incomprehensable | 11:36 |
| zz9pzza | So a single client got up to about 900MB/s write | 11:37 |
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| oneswig | zz9pzza: there's a certain amount of admin setup (the provider networks, role definitions etc). Is this a blocker for orchestrating through Manila? It does sound quite similar to the CephFS sharing model | 11:38 |
| zz9pzza | I don't know enough about Manila to comment. | 11:38 |
| zz9pzza | I would have to check if Manila is supported in redhats rdo as well | 11:38 |
| b1airo | i'm curious as to why you ended up with Arista switching and Mellanox HCAs? | 11:38 |
| zz9pzza | And I am still abit nervous about cephfs | 11:38 |
| oneswig | zz9pzza: my experiments with it confirm those nerves, but I have great hope for luminous | 11:39 |
| zz9pzza | So the Mellanox HCA's appear to have lots of hardware acceleration and were not significantly more expensive | 11:39 |
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| zz9pzza | The Arista switches are very good software and for the ports supported very cost effective | 11:40 |
| oneswig | How are you doing 25G - breakout cables? | 11:40 |
| zz9pzza | Dual 32 port 100/50/40/25/10 gig switches are very reasonable | 11:40 |
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| zz9pzza | Yes the 25gb breakout is a cable | 11:40 |
| zz9pzza | so we could have 128 ports of 25GB/s | 11:41 |
| zz9pzza | We have a mixture of 25 and 100 | 11:41 |
| zz9pzza | We hope to use the arista to do the vxlan encoding in the next itteration as well | 11:41 |
| b1airo | any RDMA traffic? | 11:41 |
| zz9pzza | We don't do that right now, the next itteration of ceph should have it and the cards do support it | 11:42 |
| zz9pzza | ( For vxlan encoding in the switch redhats lack of being able to set the region name is a complete pain () | 11:42 |
| oneswig | zz9pzza: You have a mix of VLANs and VXLANs? | 11:42 |
| zz9pzza | yes its fine | 11:42 |
| zz9pzza | This itteration all the tenant networking is double encapsulated. | 11:43 |
| zz9pzza | Once on the switch, once on the hypervisor | 11:43 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: did you have any data that compares lnet tcp and o2ib approaches? | 11:43 |
| oneswig | zz9pzza: your presentation is very thorough, thanks for that - is there anything that isn't working yet that you're still working on? | 11:44 |
| b1airo | no, both our Lustres are in o2ib mode at the moment, but we have considered going back to TCP on the ConnectX-3 based system due to some recurring LNET errors | 11:44 |
| zz9pzza | I think I would be happy enough putting it in to production, I am not sure if virtual or physical lustre routers are the right approach both have advantages. | 11:45 |
| b1airo | not easy with it all in production and long job queues | 11:45 |
| zz9pzza | I think I would buy physical routers in the first instance. | 11:45 |
| zz9pzza | ( physical routers makes it easy to bridge ethernet and ib too ) | 11:46 |
| oneswig | zz9pzza: is 1300MB/s fast enough for your needs or are you looking at closing that gap to bare metal? | 11:46 |
| zz9pzza | Well a single vm got to 900MB/s write and 1.2GB/s read | 11:46 |
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| zz9pzza | which is not too bad for a 6 year old server set up | 11:47 |
| zz9pzza | ( and not at the same time ) | 11:47 |
| zz9pzza | ( look at single machine 4MB/2VCPU New Kernel ) | 11:47 |
| zz9pzza | ( it should be 4GB ) | 11:47 |
| b1airo | are LNET routers particularly resource hungry? i'm guessing they don't need much memory, just decent connectivity and a bit of CPU (maybe not even much of that if using RDMA) ? | 11:50 |
| zz9pzza | No you just need a bit of cpu | 11:50 |
| oneswig | Did you try more VCPUs and the new kernel? Just interested in exploring what the bottleneck is cf bare metal | 11:50 |
| zz9pzza | I didn't the new kernel came came very close to my deadline | 11:50 |
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| b1airo | zz9pzza, that spreadsheet is all Lustre numbers? what was the ceph comparison you mentioned? | 11:51 |
| zz9pzza | At the very beginning on our first ceph I just used dd, | 11:51 |
| oneswig | I saw some numbers on slide 9 | 11:51 |
| zz9pzza | Let me look | 11:52 |
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| zz9pzza | That was a dd in a volume, not really comparable | 11:52 |
| b1airo | ah ok, so no direct comparison, hat was just a single client dd "does this work" test? | 11:52 |
| zz9pzza | Yes | 11:52 |
| zz9pzza | I could do that now and I am happy to do so | 11:52 |
| zz9pzza | ( our ceph cluster has also just doubled in size ) | 11:52 |
| b1airo | fun times | 11:53 |
| zz9pzza | And we are getting another 2.5PB of useable in a couple of weeks | 11:53 |
| oneswig | nice! At that scale, I guess you're erasure coding? | 11:53 |
| zz9pzza | No. | 11:53 |
| zz9pzza | We are not confident yet. | 11:54 |
| b1airo | do you have any support now? i see you discounted RH on price (can understand that) | 11:54 |
| oneswig | I'd be interested to hear experiences with that | 11:54 |
| zz9pzza | Redhat have got back to us on pricing and it is worth talking to them again if you are accedemic | 11:54 |
| b1airo | oneswig, can't EC for RBD or CephFS yet unless you're on Bluestore etc | 11:54 |
| zz9pzza | ( we have yet to buy support but I think we will in the long term ) | 11:55 |
| oneswig | ah, thanks b1airo | 11:55 |
| b1airo | we do have RH support, at a significant discount, it is still fairly pricey compared to others (e.g. SUSE, Canonical) | 11:55 |
| zz9pzza | I would check again | 11:55 |
| b1airo | oneswig, however we use EC for radosgw objects | 11:55 |
| zz9pzza | ( I mean I would get an upto date quote for ceph support ) | 11:56 |
| b1airo | it works just fine - main difference operationally is that things like scrub and recovery/backflll take much longer as the PGs are much wider | 11:56 |
| oneswig | b1airo: and does it become CPU limited, or is that not a concern? | 11:57 |
| oneswig | for the OSDs that is | 11:57 |
| b1airo | not really a concern for HTTP object store workloads (at least that we have hit yet!) | 11:57 |
| oneswig | fair point | 11:57 |
| zz9pzza | What kind of performance do you get though rados gw ? | 11:57 |
| oneswig | We are close to time... final questions | 11:58 |
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| verdurin | Just a shame it's Lustre, rather than GPFS... | 11:58 |
| zz9pzza | :) | 11:58 |
| verdurin | Thanks a lot, though zz9pzza - very impressive | 11:58 |
| oneswig | verdurin: well timed to wind up the debate :-) | 11:58 |
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| b1airo | it can scale pretty well, think we tested to over a GB/s with just three 2core radosgw VM hosts | 11:59 |
| oneswig | thanks indeed, that presentation is thorough and very informative zz9pzza | 11:59 |
| b1airo | careful with big buckets though - if you are not prepared for them it can be a real pain to get rid of them! | 11:59 |
| martial | yes, thank you. I will share the log to a couple colleagues | 11:59 |
| zz9pzza | Feel free to steal bits if any one wants to | 11:59 |
| b1airo | yes thanks zz9pzza - great presentation | 12:00 |
| oneswig | "share and enjoy" you mean :-) | 12:00 |
| zz9pzza | Indeed | 12:00 |
| oneswig | OK, time to wrap up all | 12:00 |
| verdurin | Bye all | 12:00 |
| oneswig | thanks everyone | 12:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 12:00:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-19-11.00.html | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-19-11.00.txt | 12:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-19-11.00.log.html | 12:00 |
| armstrong | Thanks | 12:00 |
| b1airo | good night all! | 12:00 |
| martial | bye | 12:01 |
| armstrong | Bye | 12:01 |
| priteau | bye, thanks for the presentation | 12:01 |
| zz9pzza | ttfn | 12:01 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 14:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:00 |
| koji | o/ | 14:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 14:01 |
| kornica | o/ | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone | 14:01 |
| Fdaisuke | o/ | 14:01 |
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| kornica | hello | 14:02 |
| sc | yo | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday July 19 2017 (14:00 UTC) | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Reviews | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479169/ - Needs +1 to move forward and to start reenabling the gates (Added by Artur Basiak, unfortunatelly I cannot join meeting) | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.monasca-docker | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://github.com/monasca/monasca-docker/pull/121 | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://github.com/monasca/monasca-docker/pull/120 | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | 3.https://github.com/monasca/monasca-docker/issues/122 | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | not a huge agenda for the day | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | but, we can work through it | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479169/ | 14:03 |
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| kornica | I can take it, Artur has some apartment stuff or sth going on these days | 14:03 |
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| kornica | in overall, Witek wanted you to take a look and approve the cleanup, that said - the change is more or less dropping old codebase and adding all of the tooling | 14:04 |
| kornica | we've developed recently for other components | 14:04 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i'll look through and add a +1 | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | although, my time lately has been difficult | 14:05 |
| kornica | if you want there are already 3 related changes | 14:05 |
| kornica | from which the most notable is an idea of extending monasca-persister to handle events | 14:06 |
| kornica | persisting raw events into database | 14:06 |
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| kornica | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485113/ | 14:06 |
| kornica | I know that having a time is difficult these days (oh...yeah...I know that) | 14:06 |
| kornica | still we know this is vital to have such details communicated | 14:06 |
| rhochmuth | yup | 14:07 |
| kornica | other side of the coing is the idea of adding new project | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | so, you are planning on extending the persister, rather than add a new one | 14:07 |
| kornica | we had such a plan initially | 14:07 |
| kornica | but witek stepped in (no offense or sth) in a pretty much correct momement to point out | 14:07 |
| kornica | that basically we might not need new repo / service | 14:08 |
| kornica | but we can extend persister | 14:08 |
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| kornica | and roll with the idea I presented in comments for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485113/ | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | i see, so witek is in charge now | 14:08 |
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| rhochmuth | :-) | 14:08 |
| kornica | he's not in charge | 14:08 |
| kornica | :D | 14:08 |
| kornica | though we've been talking a lot how to approach the events topic | 14:08 |
| kornica | the best way we could | 14:09 |
| rhochmuth | i'm just kidding | 14:09 |
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| kornica | i know ;-) | 14:09 |
| kornica | just giving some background :D | 14:09 |
| kornica | anyway, if could you find some time to tell which idea might be better | 14:09 |
| kornica | that'd be really great ;-0 | 14:09 |
| kornica | :) | 14:09 |
| rhochmuth | sure | 14:09 |
| rhochmuth | i probably would have said keep them separate | 14:09 |
| rhochmuth | however, everytime we add a new repo it is a lot of overhead | 14:10 |
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| rhochmuth | so, not exactly for adding more overhead | 14:10 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'm probably ok with that in the persister | 14:10 |
| kornica | that's pretty much the argument that Witek has given | 14:10 |
| kornica | question is should be do the same for every other part of events :/ | 14:10 |
| kornica | and that is somehow unclear | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | you can get caried away with microservices | 14:11 |
| kornica | there are benefits of such approach | 14:11 |
| kornica | and there re downsides | 14:11 |
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| rhochmuth | yup | 14:11 |
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| kornica | yeah, that'd be the downside | 14:11 |
| kornica | I will ask then | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | i see, so are think thinking about adding to the monasca-api directly then too | 14:11 |
| kornica | well yeah | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | would that be still under consideration? | 14:11 |
| kornica | if you see this as better idea, yeah - we would reconsider | 14:12 |
| kornica | at the moment events-api is on hold | 14:12 |
| kornica | no gates, no CI - pretty much dead repo | 14:12 |
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| rhochmuth | yup, lot's of fun enabliing all that infrastructure too | 14:12 |
| kornica | we can either go direction we are now going | 14:13 |
| kornica | or retire the project | 14:13 |
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| rhochmuth | let's ask witek | 14:13 |
| kornica | he will most likely read all that | 14:13 |
| kornica | and we decided to talk about all that | 14:13 |
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| kornica | so most likely we will continue with current approach and if necessary just port all that to exisiting repos | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | i'm going to have to think a bit off-line and look closer at what you've done so far | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | and talk to a few folks | 14:14 |
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| kornica | nevertheless I am sure we will try and communicate | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | sure | 14:14 |
| kornica | though I am not really into events now (my priorities goes to other items on agenda) :D | 14:14 |
| kornica | but I will ask arturb to put some focus on that fact | 14:15 |
| rhochmuth | ok | 14:15 |
| kornica | and thx for having a look | 14:15 |
| rhochmuth | i'll send an email | 14:15 |
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| rhochmuth | so, probably time to move to the next topic | 14:15 |
| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-docker | 14:16 |
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| rhochmuth | 2.monasca-docker | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://github.com/monasca/monasca-docker/pull/121 | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://github.com/monasca/monasca-docker/pull/120 | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | 3.https://github.com/monasca/monasca-docker/issues/122 | 14:16 |
| kornica | well, we started working on log-pipeline in docker (finally decided on container course in fujitsu ;P) | 14:16 |
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| hoppalm | woohooo!!! | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | this looks really exciting | 14:16 |
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| kornica | and in overall figured that we want to get on board with y'all :D | 14:17 |
| rhochmuth | i see timothyb89 has been working on it | 14:17 |
| kornica | for now we've just have mainly #121 (log-pipeline extension) | 14:17 |
| kornica | couple of ideas | 14:17 |
| rhochmuth | witek gave me a heads-up last week | 14:17 |
| kornica | so I am sure he might have mentioned that we want to contribute to monasca-helm as well ? | 14:18 |
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| rhochmuth | sounds good | 14:18 |
| kornica | yeah, it's just helm is much tougher nut to crack :D | 14:18 |
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| hoppalm | if you need any help or want us to walk you through it we would be happy to | 14:19 |
| kornica | well, at leat today, was first time I sat and tried to write sth...ended up trying something already there | 14:19 |
| kornica | we've got a gist list of activites/features/changes we would like to apply to monasca-docker | 14:19 |
| kornica | but we're still consolidating that internally | 14:20 |
| kornica | those would be the things we consider important to have but shouldn't conflict too much with your idea | 14:20 |
| kornica | *idea | 14:20 |
| kornica | hoppalm: thx - for start a reviews of images I've written would be great | 14:20 |
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| hoppalm | yes we can do that | 14:20 |
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| hoppalm | we will look at the two docker prs | 14:21 |
| kornica | there is one breaking point there, but I've put that point into comments under #121 | 14:21 |
| sc | I did some test with odcker | 14:21 |
| hoppalm | yes travis always lacks behind on docker version | 14:21 |
| sc | I changed the order of box creation | 14:21 |
| hoppalm | we can try to manually upgrade it | 14:21 |
| hoppalm | we have been thinking about switching to multistage build | 14:22 |
| hoppalm | for some of our stuff | 14:22 |
| kornica | hoppalm: actually I was referring to the kafka topics creation (my idea was to make log-pipeline an extension without affecting docker-compose.yml which in overall is metric pipeline) | 14:22 |
| kornica | hoppalm: I already have this for kibana (but as you saw it requires newer docker) | 14:23 |
| hoppalm | ohhh okay yes I will go through it with Tim and we will review it | 14:23 |
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| kornica | hoppalm: big thumb up and high five :D | 14:23 |
| kornica | sc: what about box order ? | 14:24 |
| sc | kornica: I changed the order in docker-compose | 14:24 |
| kornica | you have any code ? at least me - well I am not sure I understand what that means :D | 14:25 |
| sc | I just put mysql up, it looks to me it speads up setup | 14:25 |
| sc | kornica: OK, I'll share ASAP | 14:25 |
| kornica | ah ok :) | 14:26 |
| hoppalm | probably did as multiple things need to talk to it so the sooner it comes up the better, and please put up any changes you think are good | 14:26 |
| hoppalm | and we will look | 14:26 |
| kornica | sure | 14:26 |
| kornica | ok, I think I've exhausted the topic - nice to see that you're happy with that contribution | 14:27 |
| kornica | I have one openstack-reviews item in my agenda, that I did not post but figured now it is worth discussing | 14:28 |
| kornica | unless someone has anything to add about sth else, I could just elaborate on that | 14:29 |
| rhochmuth | you have the floor | 14:29 |
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| kornica | the changes I wanted to mentioned are about inhibit,silencing and grouping | 14:30 |
| rhochmuth | oh | 14:31 |
| kornica | I had to -2 one of them as it would break the CI | 14:31 |
| kornica | but apperently there is now nobody who would adress that :/ | 14:31 |
| kornica | I mean, is that really that bad of situation from HPE side that such promissing features are left behind ;-( | 14:31 |
| kornica | ? | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | we haven't left it behind | 14:32 |
| kornica | similar comments goes to monasca-agent mods that, for example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448895/ | 14:32 |
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| kornica | oh...I mean, as reviewer, I am not quite sure what else apart from pinging owner we could do | 14:32 |
| kornica | -2 is pretty strong, but breaking CI was never sth that we were accepting | 14:33 |
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| hoppalm | we are planning on finishing it as it is a feature important to us we want | 14:34 |
| kornica | it's just the time ? | 14:34 |
| rhochmuth | andrea has been out? | 14:34 |
| rhochmuth | so, we are trying to figure out how to address/load-balance this on the team | 14:34 |
| kornica | well, 've given this -2 over 2 weeks from now | 14:34 |
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| kornica | I mean, please don't get me wrong or anything like that - just trying to finally understand what should we expect in upstream | 14:35 |
| rhochmuth | not sure how to address right now as the developer is not around | 14:37 |
| rhochmuth | so, we've been trying to address this | 14:37 |
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| kornica | maybe someone (you, I believe would be the best guy) or someone else, could just go through open changes | 14:38 |
| kornica | abandon what is really not needed | 14:38 |
| kornica | mark needed changes with -1@W | 14:38 |
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| rhochmuth | yeah, we had talked about that a few months ago | 14:39 |
| rhochmuth | but, i wouldn't abandon these changes | 14:39 |
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| rhochmuth | for alarm inhibition, silencing, ... | 14:39 |
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| kornica | that's out of a question - those should be left for future work | 14:40 |
| kornica | what about agent mods around container monitoring ? | 14:40 |
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| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448895/ | 14:41 |
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| hoppalm | so i need to go through them again | 14:41 |
| kornica | hoppalm: thx | 14:42 |
| hoppalm | it was during the time when we were trying to learn what we want for kubernetes monitoring | 14:42 |
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| kornica | might be that now, that I finally have k8s and docker functional at my workstatation (finally off the proxy hook, yeah) | 14:42 |
| kornica | I will be able to properly test those | 14:42 |
| hoppalm | sweeet :) if you see gaps in our container monitoring let us know as well | 14:43 |
| kornica | sure :D | 14:43 |
| kornica | the only thing I would most certainly need would have them rebased by author :D | 14:43 |
| kornica | later hopefully I will be smart enough to understand them and test them | 14:43 |
| kornica | :D | 14:43 |
| hoppalm | :) | 14:44 |
| rhochmuth | btw, on another topic, has anyone from fujitsu thought about, https://www.netways.de/nocache/en/events/osmc/cfp/ | 14:44 |
| rhochmuth | deadline is uly 31st | 14:44 |
| kornica | BTW: I've noticed that in helm repo you;ve been referring to minikube | 14:44 |
| kornica | having that said - https://github.com/kornicameister/journeys/tree/master/kubernetes/scripts | 14:44 |
| kornica | those might be come in handy for you ;-) | 14:44 |
| kornica | that;s for kubeadm | 14:45 |
| kornica | rhochmuth: I will ping rest of my team | 14:45 |
| kornica | rhochmuth: thx | 14:45 |
| rhochmuth | thx kornica | 14:46 |
| rhochmuth | i need to run to another meeting right now | 14:46 |
| rhochmuth | i know weird time | 14:46 |
| hoppalm | oh sweet | 14:46 |
| kornica | hoppalm: kubeadm scripts ? | 14:46 |
| rhochmuth | can someone end the meeting when done | 14:46 |
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| hoppalm | oyeah | 14:47 |
| kornica | I think someone should know how :D | 14:47 |
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| hoppalm | anything else from anyone? | 14:48 |
| kornica | hoppalm: I am using those everyday since I wrote them (or rather reforged knowledge of my collegue associated with kubernetes-dashboard project :D) | 14:48 |
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| kornica | hoppalm: so they should be fine enough | 14:48 |
| kornica | hoppalm: from my side - no | 14:48 |
| hoppalm | cool anyone else or good to end meeting? | 14:48 |
| hoppalm | ill take that as a no | 14:49 |
| hoppalm | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
| kornica | it's a trap | 14:49 |
| hoppalm | dangit whats the exact command :) | 14:50 |
| kornica | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
| kornica | that should be it | 14:50 |
| kornica | witek used that last time :D | 14:50 |
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| hoppalm | #end-meeting | 14:50 |
| hoppalm | :) | 14:50 |
| kornica | just copied and pasted here | 14:50 |
| hoppalm | hoepfully it doesnt require roland to do it | 14:50 |
| kornica | rotfl.... | 14:50 |
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| hoppalm | let me send him a pm | 14:51 |
| kornica | hmmm....ok...so how many developers you need to end the meeting | 14:51 |
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| rbrndt | n+1 developers | 14:51 |
| kornica | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
| kornica | ok, this has to be the correct command | 14:53 |
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| kornica | just checked other meeting logs | 14:53 |
| kornica | I am out of juice to end meeting ;/ | 14:53 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 14:53:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-07-19-14.00.html | 14:53 |
| kornica | voila | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-07-19-14.00.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-07-19-14.00.log.html | 14:53 |
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| kornica | cya | 14:54 |
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| kornica | hoppalm: thx once again and if you will run kubeadm - good luck ;-) | 14:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 15:00:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
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| jamemcc | Hello | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | Hi folks, please remind to add you nick in the pad | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 agenda line 924 | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | so I don't know how many guys will attend today the meeting. From Inria we are only me and dpertin if I'm right | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | #chair parus | 15:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ parus | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so let's start | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic announcements | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | I added a couple of information in the pad. | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | Regarding the sydney submissions, I am aware of three proposals | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | is there any other? | 15:04 |
| jamemcc | I added that there is one from LCOO as well | 15:05 |
| parus | I also made a proposals about use cases. | 15:05 |
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| parus | I have not heard back | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | ok sorry jamemcc (I just saw that now) | 15:05 |
| jamemcc | I know that this question/overlap of the LCOO work on Extreme Testing had come up here before | 15:05 |
| jamemcc | So I just added those links as well | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | great thanks | 15:06 |
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| jamemcc | When we can get either SamP or Gautam Divgi here - would be a better time for Q&A | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:06 |
| jamemcc | I'll work on that and getting it into the main agenda ahead of time | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | can you please add an action in the pad ;) | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | So regarding the first cross WG meeting. | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | it took place this morning (quite early or quite lately depending where you are worldwide :-P) | 15:07 |
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| jamemcc | Yes - I feel badly for not getting to it after working to set it up | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | While we didn't define any concrete action, I think it is a good way to share information between WGs/teams | 15:08 |
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| jamemcc | But you and the other 2 WG Chairs and UC lead MRHillsman really did a great example of what it can be like | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | For instance, the Scientific WG is intensively working on Federation issue | 15:08 |
| * ad_rien_ is looking for the URL | 15:08 | |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400738/3/user-stories/proposed/federated-identity.rst Federation use-case described by Scientific WG | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | the UC opened a new irc chat room where you can ask any kind of questions. | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_ | so do not hesitate to join this channel if you want further information | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | Last but not the least, We talked a few weeks ago about a possible opendev event next september. I received an email two days ago about the foundation | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | (I put information within the pad, line 952) | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | that channel is #openstack-uc btw :) | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | So this is not an open event like the summit but if you are interested by attending it. Please put your name/email in the pad. I should forward those emails to the foundation. | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | mrhillsman: thanks | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | it is in the pad ;) | 15:13 |
| mrhillsman | aha :) | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | From Inria, we will try to send one or two persons at least (we are currently checking who is available) | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | that's all for the announcement from my side. | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | Any news/comments from your side guys? | 15:14 |
| jamemcc | This seems to me to be related to the Use Case discussion | 15:14 |
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| parus | jamemcc: what is related to Use Case? | 15:15 |
| jamemcc | I had a verbal conversation with Kandan of AT&T who indicated that a significant part of that conference will be to go through various Use Cases | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: Yes at the first sight but actually if you dive into details it seems that they want to have technical and specific discussions. | 15:15 |
| jamemcc | RElated to: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sBczuC2Wu1d_misBmPahLPdvyhOI4QuVy129EHunuUM/edit?usp=sharing | 15:15 |
| parus | jamecc: Will Kandan be at the opendev event? | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | he is in the PC. | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | If I'm correct. | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | @parus - the conference in September: http://www.opendevconf.com/ | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | Yes | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | Yes - he is in the PC | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | Can we move to the next topic (unless there is other news to share)? | 15:17 |
| parus | OK! I will plan to attend. | 15:17 |
| mrhillsman | agree with ad_rien_ from my discussion with Lauren Sell, it will be focused on what work to do for edge/fog in open tech and i assume who will do what | 15:17 |
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| ad_rien_ | so next topic :) (sorry but the more time we have for discussing on-going actions, the better it is ;)) | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:18 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic on-going action: AMP alternatives | 15:19 |
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| kgiusti | hey | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | ansmith: kgiusti: | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | :) | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:19 |
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| kgiusti | slow progress - some external issues (customers, bugs etc) | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | updated epad. Still 2 outstanding kolla-ansible reviews | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | but not much else to report. | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | ansmith: anything I missed? | 15:20 |
| ansmith | that is it | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | ok from Inria, Matthieu is on vacations. He sent me an email this morning, telling me that he will spend some times on synchronizing enos with the kolla master after August, the 15th. | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | so nothing more from our side too | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | 8/15 - understood, thanks. | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | if there is nothing to add let's move to Cockroach | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic on-going action: cockroachDB | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | So we made concrete actions from our side that enabled us to unfortunately discover lot of issues regarding the compliance between cockroach and SQLalchemy | 15:23 |
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| parus | ad_rien_: Have you documented those issues somewhere? | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | Ronan and Antoine are offline today but basically they faced a lot of issue that prevents OpenStack to use directly sqlachemy on top of cockroach. They should make a point with cockroach folks by beginning of august | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | Ronan is working on a long email If I correctly understood. He wants to send this email and arrange another meeting with the cockroach guys | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | they suceeded to start a keystone on top of cockroach but they had to do a lot of hack to do it | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | that's all | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | unless there are questions/remarks, we can move to the next topic? | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | seems we can :) | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic on-going action: use-case specifications | 15:28 |
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| parus | We have made good progress on use cases. I have updated the slides per my action. | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks parus | 15:28 |
| parus | And we received a great deck from Daniele. | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | I went through the two presentations and I put some comments from my side | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe we can go through them shortly | 15:29 |
| parus | Please. | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | we can spend 15 min on this action if everyone agrees? | 15:29 |
| dsantoro | ok for me | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's start with the FBK presentation | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1FLCjUx1xiQxRcgTG78vg255g6N2RRp8_W0B0Sz0bJH8/edit#slide=id.p46 | 15:29 |
| dsantoro | @ad_rien_: I ve jsut replied to comments but if you have any other question or details I am here | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | so first of all thanks dsantoro for those slides | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | quite helpfull | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | so in the first use case. | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | Slide 10 | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | you do not use Compute 1 and 2 | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | you put them just to because they are there but they are not used. Did I understand correctly ? | 15:31 |
| dsantoro | no this is a baseline use-case and we need it mostly to be able to do a comparison between | 15:31 |
| dsantoro | having application on the cloud VS having them on the edge | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | so in this baseline use-case everything is executed in the cloud | 15:32 |
| dsantoro | in that UC1 we just put application on compute 0 which is located somewhere in the cloud | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | right? | 15:32 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:32 |
| dsantoro | and is charaterized by low bandwidth and high latency | 15:32 |
| dsantoro | yes you are right | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:32 |
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| ad_rien_ | thanks regarding low bandwidth (and actually this is also a question I have for parus). Once you are in the backhaul, the bandwith is generally large. | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | (it depends obviously if you have a DSL connexion or a fiber one) | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | so maybe it would be usefull to mention what kind of connexions you have between Compute 1/2 and Compute 0 | 15:34 |
| dsantoro | I agree, we can specify it. We suppose to have a WANWide connection between those computes | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | yes but WANwide means so many things | 15:35 |
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| ad_rien_ | if you are an operator (a telco) | 15:35 |
| dsantoro | in the links we put just some example of bandwidth in Mbit | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | once you are in the backhaul the bandwidth is rather 10gbps (and sometimes even more) | 15:35 |
| parus | ad_rien_: I do not have precise data on backhaul BW. But sometimes it is scarce. | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | if you are an end-users we a xDSL connexion, you're right having a couple of Mbits is the maximum you can have | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: +1, that's why we should clarify that point I think | 15:36 |
| dsantoro | I agree but I think it also depends on the kind of connection that the infrastructure provider has towards the backhaul. right ? | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | so it is better to specify it. some people also consider that edge devices will be connected through WIFI connexions to fiber POPs | 15:37 |
| parus | It depends on the Backhaul Technology. It depends if the operator owns the backhaul or needs to lease it. | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | (POP, network point of presence) | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | exactly | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | don't get me wrong, I didn't say you are wrong, just say that we should explain that. | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | that, i.e. these differences viewpoint. | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | s/differences/different | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:38 |
| parus | Point Taken! | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok I do not have additional remarks on those first slides from my side. | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | does anyone want to add something? | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | … yes, dsantoro I forgot to mention that it would be nice that you explain why you are leveraging OpenStack | 15:39 |
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| dsantoro | we envision a scenario in which the municipality is the infrastructure owner (owner of the sensor network) so the bandwidth depends on the type of connection it has with the rest of the world | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | and not simply k8S | 15:39 |
| dsantoro | ok | 15:40 |
| parus | There are a number of things identified in slide 15 | 15:40 |
| jamemcc | I can speak to backhaul from the large mobile provider point of view in general | 15:40 |
| dsantoro | we can add a slide pointing this out | 15:40 |
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| ad_rien_ | you already explained me in a previous exchange but I think it would be valuable for everyone to know why | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: I think it would be great if you can work with parus on one dedicated slide to explain the different viewpoints for the network bandwidth/latency challenges | 15:41 |
| dsantoro | @parus: https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroachvation on slide 15 but we could add other if valuable | 15:41 |
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| parus | #action jamecc and parus to work on a Backhaul slide | 15:41 |
| dsantoro | @parus: yes we added some motivation on slide 15 but we could add other if valuable | 15:42 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok let's move to the second deck | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | ok ? | 15:42 |
| dsantoro | ok | 15:42 |
| parus | ok? | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | #link 1sBczuC2Wu1d_misBmPahLPdvyhOI4QuVy129EHunuUM | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry my bad | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sBczuC2Wu1d_misBmPahLPdvyhOI4QuVy129EHunuUM/edit?usp=sharing use-case slides | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | so my comments on slide 5 and 6 will be addressed ;) so no need to discuss them | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | Slide 11. | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | I think we can add one item regarding network partitionnng issue | 15:44 |
| parus | What do you mean? | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | what does happen if we lose the connexion between some control services and compute nodes? | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | if the disconnection lasts a couple of seconds/minutes this should be ok | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | for the control plane | 15:45 |
| parus | That is a good point. | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | but what does happen if it lasts one hour | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | and obviously these questions are relevant for each of the deployment scenarios you illustrate (central control services/remote computes, regions, cells) | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | (thanks BTW for the slides once again really helpful) | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | Regarding the 4th question, not sure I correctly understood. Can you please elaborate a bit parus? | 15:46 |
| dsantoro | that is an important topic also for us. We would like to address decentralization in our UCs in the future (see FBK slide 15 point 3) | 15:47 |
| parus | item 4 is about VLAN. | 15:47 |
| parus | Depending if we have a L2 or a L3 network implementation, the solutions to separate control, management and user traffic would be different. | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | Slide 13. | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | can you clarify the relations to slicing issue? | 15:49 |
| parus | There is a lot of activity around Network Slicing in particular in relation to 5G. | 15:49 |
| parus | Network slices, affect RF, RAN, Core. | 15:50 |
| parus | Shoudl it affect Edge too? | 15:50 |
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| ad_rien_ | so it is 5G related ? | 15:51 |
| parus | It is really a wireless use case question in relation to 5G. | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | I mean here also if you are considering WIFI links | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | or if you consider edge clouds that are interconnected with other clouds through wired cables? | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | maybe you can put a link/reference in the slide to help the reader | 15:52 |
| parus | good point. | 15:52 |
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| dsantoro | I suppose network slicing affects Edge ie: If you have many tenants running application on edge nodes and they have each one special network requirements… | 15:52 |
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| ad_rien_ | 8 min left | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | let's move to the slide 15 | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | I really like it :) | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | I think it gives an excellent overview of all the questions we should answer. | 15:54 |
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| parus | We also had an email exchange on things with FBK on things that might be needed from Openstack and Kubernetes. | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | so a general comment. It would be great if we can have one slide for each entry | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | as the slide 16 for Entry 1 | 15:54 |
| dsantoro | Why not add also storage capabilities on edge nodes on slide 15 ? | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | and then we will be able to idenfity concrete actions to move forward on each entry | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | we can dsantoro | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | I think | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | this is also a good comment | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | SWIFT is distributed by default | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | but deploying SWIFT on top of a fog/edge infrastructure can highlight possible issues/performance degradations .... | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | So I think we can try to explain in details each entry and what is/are the challenges related to each one | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | We already discussed with dpertin Entry 1 | 15:56 |
| parus | this would be the goal.... Help would be welcome in expanding that. | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | and we will conduct preliminary experiments to see whether there is/are real challenges or ''just'' technical issues | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: I can help you by exchaning by mail | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | if it can help | 15:57 |
| parus | Great! | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | (I will ask also one of my colleague here that can be interested to take part in this action) I will get back to you by the end of the week | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | but please keep in mind that the period is not really the best one in France (summer vacations) | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | ok two min left | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok who plan to attend the sydney summit | 15:59 |
| parus | I will. | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | from my side it is still unclear whether I can go or not | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | dpertin will represent Inria | 15:59 |
| dsantoro | We will be there, probably two people from FBK | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | ok great | 16:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok we have to end the meeting | 16:00 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks you folks | 16:00 |
| parus | thx | 16:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| pbressan | thx | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 16:00:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-07-19-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| dsantoro | tnks guys see u | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-07-19-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-07-19-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 16:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | Hallo. | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | viks ketonne abishop sivn | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| scottda | I thought that last bit was some German or something smcginnis | 16:01 |
| scottda | "viks ketonne abishop sivn" | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Nien | 16:01 |
| wiggin15 | Hi | 16:01 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Hah, does sound a little like it. :) | 16:01 |
| lhx__ | hi all | 16:01 |
| guyr-infinidat | hi | 16:02 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:02 |
| lpetrut_ | hi | 16:02 |
| tommylikehu | hey | 16:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 16:02 |
| zengyingzhe | Hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:02 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | The usual... | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I need to go through and update the approved specs there. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | We've been able to get a few more through. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Next week is Pike-3, so there are probably some that we can revert or move to the queens folder. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Tomorrow is non-client library freeze. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Barring anything major cropping up with os-brick, we should be all set there now with 1.15.1. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-queens Planning etherpad for PTG | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | If you have any topics for the PTG, please add them to the etherpad. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | Whether you are physically able to attend or not. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | We will hopefully stream the sessions for anyone unable to attend. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | And if you have a topic that requires your participation, we can try to get two way communication going with hangouts or something. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Or Duo or whatever it's called now. :) | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | If you are able to attend in person, please register so they can start getting a feel for numbers. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-33219389087 PTG registration | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | And if you need it, look in to the travel support program. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Does registration close at some point? | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I think they closed it just a day or two before last time. Not entirely sure. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, good. I have people dragging their feet. :-) | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Tell them the deadline is Friday then. :) | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | Aye aye captain. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #topic Documentation migration update | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | Hey. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Captian Docs? Doctor Docs? We need another name for you. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | So, just wanted to update people on progress. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I will leave that up to you. ;-) | 16:10 |
| tommylikehu | :) | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | DocMan | 16:10 |
| * jgriffith picks up his feet | 16:10 | |
| jungleboyj | So, thank you to those who are helping reviews and thanks to tommylikehu for pitching in. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I have all the trivial changes going in under the doc-bld-fix topic. | 16:10 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: np | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | The sooner we get that stuff merged the sooner I can be done. :-) | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | I have one more large patch coming today that will move existing content to the right places based on the migration plan: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html#proposed-change | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | The patch adds a template for how everything should look and has README.rts in each directory to describe appropriate content. | 16:12 |
| Swanson | DocboyJ | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+topic:doc-bld-fix+status:open | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | ericyoung: And I had a good chat with Doug yesterday and he is working on some automation improvements for Cinder but they are still future work. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | So, at this point please remember that any changes to configuration items or functionality will need an associated doc change. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | No more DocImpact tag. If you have a DocImpact, doc it. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | We will talk about making the docs look decent at some point in the future. They are an ugly mess, but at least we can get the content there. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | That was all I had. Cores, just please help me get the bld fixes in place. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | They are easy reviews. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Thanks for working on that. You too tommylikehu | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | #topic max_over_subscription_ratio: the ratio between total capacities or free capacities | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Welcome. Something I am passionate about. Just wish the doc build didn't take forever to do. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | wiggin15: You're up. | 16:15 |
| wiggin15 | Thanks | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1704786 | 16:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1704786 in Cinder "CapacityFilter calculates free virtual capacity incorrectly" [Undecided,Opinion] - Assigned to Arnon Yaari (arnony) | 16:15 |
| wiggin15 | Regarding the configuration value max_over_subscription_ratio. I noticed there is a bit of inconsistency in the code. | 16:15 |
| lhx__ | jungleboyj, what's the mean of BLD? | 16:15 |
| wiggin15 | Parts of the code treat this value as the ratio between the _total_ physical capacity and total virtual capacity (e.g. caculate_virtual_free_capacity) | 16:16 |
| wiggin15 | (where physical is data you can write and virtual is data you can allocate, when using thin provisioning with oversubscription) | 16:16 |
| wiggin15 | Other parts of the code treat it as the ratio between the _free_ physical capacity and free virtual capacity (e.g. CapacityFilter.backend_passes and some volume drivers). | 16:16 |
| tommylikehu | build? | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | lhx__: Build ... they are fixes to correct WARNINGS in the build. | 16:16 |
| lhx__ | thanks , very clear | 16:16 |
| wiggin15 | The issue is that the ratio between the "free" capacities is not constant because they are not directly related. So the way I see it, what the drivers and CapacityFilter calculate is not accurate. | 16:16 |
| wiggin15 | I opened a bug about this but there was disagreement about what the value means. | 16:17 |
| wiggin15 | I wanted to hear your input... | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | wiggin15: My understanding was it was supposed to be the second one you described. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: You introduced this in Kilo, right? | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: yes | 16:18 |
| wiggin15 | Most of the code uses caculate_virtual_free_capacity (the first one) | 16:18 |
| wiggin15 | and the second one can be inconsistent | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: we had lots of discussions on this over the years:) | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: the current code is after some discussion in the reviews | 16:18 |
| geguileo | And the first one (that uses the method) is *wrong* | 16:18 |
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| wiggin15 | umm, I'm not sure it is | 16:19 |
| geguileo | method just doesn't calculate % correctly | 16:19 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: I have to spend some time and find the patch that adds this change | 16:19 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: not just the initial patch | 16:19 |
| geguileo | well, you do the percentage of the physical total and then decrement it from the virtual | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/kilo/over-subscription-in-thin-provisioning.html Original spec | 16:19 |
| patrickeast | ^ a bunch has shifted around since then iirc | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | In summary this is a safer way to evaluate after some review discussion | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: there is another patch after that | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: I don't have it now | 16:20 |
| geguileo | xyang1: how is it correct to decrease the reserved based on the real total from the virtual total? | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: will find it and reference in the patch | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | geguileo: I need to find that patch | 16:21 |
| geguileo | xyang1: ok | 16:21 |
| geguileo | but in my mind is simple | 16:21 |
| geguileo | reserved must be calculated either from total and then that space is not used to calculate the virtual | 16:21 |
| wiggin15 | <geguileo> even if we need to decrease reserved from total.. that doesn't answer the question | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | geguileo: unfortunately this has always been controversial | 16:21 |
| wiggin15 | I'm not asking about reserved. I'm asking about the ratio | 16:22 |
| geguileo | or is reserved from the virtual total directly | 16:22 |
| geguileo | wiggin15: and I'm saying that the method in question you referenced is *wrong* | 16:22 |
| wiggin15 | so let's say for the sake of the discussion that reserved should be from the virtual total | 16:22 |
| wiggin15 | let's also drop the specific method that calculates it | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | wiggin15 but what if that's infinite :) | 16:23 |
| wiggin15 | when we do calculate the virtual capacity - do we take the total physical and multiply it by the ratio? | 16:23 |
| wiggin15 | jgriffith there is a default of 20, even if it is infinite | 16:23 |
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| xyang1 | wiggin15: if it is infinite it does not matter what the ratio is | 16:24 |
| geguileo | wiggin15: that's the over subscription, not the total capacity, right? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | wiggin15 sorry, I'll refrain from my historical comments and why I think that sucks | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | It always passes | 16:24 |
| wiggin15 | A key question (from the bug report) is this: if we have 1 TB physical capacity and 1.2 TB virtual capacity, and we provisio and write 1 TB - should we allow creation? We can't *write* any more but maybe we can *provision* because we have more virtual capacity... CapacityFilter currently doesn't pass in this case. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | we've made this way more complex and difficult than it needs to be. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: You're referring to the array capacty, not the ratio, right? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis correct | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis was going to go back to the "just report actual capacity" and deal with over-subscription and quit screwing around with so many "virtual" numbers that are all dependent and variable | 16:25 |
| wiggin15 | jgriffith when you deal with totals then the numbers aren't variable, and when you deal with used or free then they are. That's the problem | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Well, yeah. But I know one array very well that really has no good number for "actual capacity", because there are too many variables that go in to determining that. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: It seems that making this less complex is better and less likely to cause issues. | 16:26 |
| geguileo | if you don't have free space, why keep allowing the creation of volumes just because the over-subscription ration allows it? | 16:26 |
| geguileo | would be the counter argument | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | geguileo I agree with that 100% | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | geguileo: space can be added or recolaimed | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: :-) That makes sense to me. | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | reclaimed even | 16:27 |
| wiggin15 | geguileo because that's always the case in over probisioning | 16:27 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: then it would be reported as free again, right? | 16:27 |
| wiggin15 | if you have 1 TB physical and ratio of 20 then you can create a 20 TB volume even if you don't have space to write | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | yea but like after it is provisioned | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | but before data is written | 16:28 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: or you mean that it's being reported as full, but if I create a volume it will reclaim space and say that it's no longer full? | 16:28 |
| wiggin15 | that sounds right | 16:28 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: to me that doesn't make sense | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | geguileo: so like, the array is full (and for whatever reason the scheduler has no better alternatives) if it can provision the volume and the volume doesn't go immediately over the edge the admin can add more space, or cleanup old stuff as needed | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | geguileo I think the problem he's pointing out is that for those that do dedupe, compression etc you can easily store 2TB of data on a 1TB device | 16:29 |
| geguileo | creating a volume when there's no free space... | 16:29 |
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| wiggin15 | geguileo do you agree that in over-provisioning you can provision more data than you can write? | 16:29 |
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| patrickeast | its just a part of over-provisioning storage and dealing with it when the arrays get full | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: +1 | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | thats the other part of it | 16:30 |
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| patrickeast | shit, if its a copy of a volume you might put the whole 2TB into like 1K of metadata | 16:30 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: and that's ok with over provisioning now, it's not a problem | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | and in turn, even though my 1TB device has 2TB's of "data" on it, I may very well still be able to store another 2TB's | 16:30 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: as long as you have free space >= requested * max_over_provisioning | 16:30 |
| wiggin15 | If you have 1 TB physical and 1.2 ratio, you write 900 GB. Now you can create a 100GB * 1.2 = 120 GB volume (whatever that number means). That means you will still provision MORE than you can write | 16:30 |
| * jungleboyj 's head explodes | 16:31 | |
| wiggin15 | because that's what the feature means! | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | wiggin15 don't have to yell :) | 16:31 |
| wiggin15 | geguileo wrong... | 16:31 |
| wiggin15 | sorry :) | 16:31 |
| xyang1 | jungleboyj: I'll send you a review links with more calculations for you to enjoy:) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | wiggin15 I'm just kidding, I'm the resident "yeller" here ;) | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: WHAT? | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: No thank you. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis YOU HEARD ME!!!! | 16:32 |
| wiggin15 | So.. | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | @!h | 16:32 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | xyang1: maybe thats what we need, is for some documentation that shows how all the math works today and what is expected behaviors/use-cases | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | instead of knowledge buried into reviews | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: Not an all bad idea. | 16:33 |
| wiggin15 | like I said, I looked at the code and current behavior is not consistent | 16:33 |
| xyang1 | patrickeast: sure, let me dig something out:) | 16:33 |
| patrickeast | then we can take a look at it and decide if it is actually what we need | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | Since there's inconsistency between drivers, I do think that's a sign we need to better document expectations here. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Would go into doc/source/user or doc/source/reference | 16:33 |
| geguileo | this is pretty easy, let's vote if we want to change it from free to the normal overprovisioning mechanism | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | wiggin15: +1 - it should at least be consistent. | 16:33 |
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| wiggin15 | Do we agree that over-provisioning means you can provision more capacity than we can write? | 16:33 |
| geguileo | I'm OK with changing it, but what about backward compativility? Do we care? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | Consistently right would be best, but consistently wrong is maybe a little better than inconsistently wrong. | 16:34 |
| geguileo | people may be expecting Cinder to work as it was | 16:34 |
| xyang1 | geguileo: I disagree with a vote | 16:34 |
| xyang1 | geguileo: this needs more thoughts | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | Document expectations, fix inconsistent behavior, release note upgrade impacts for those that are "fixed" at least. | 16:35 |
| geguileo | xyang1: ok, I have already thought about this when reading the bug and the patch | 16:35 |
| wiggin15 | Before we move maybe I can get thoughts on the question from above. Let me repeat | 16:35 |
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| geguileo | xyang1: so I'm ok with people having time to do as well | 16:35 |
| wiggin15 | if we have 1 TB physical capacity and 1.2 TB virtual capacity, and we provisio and write 1 TB - should we allow creation? We can't write any more but maybe we can provision because we have more virtual capacity... CapacityFilter currently doesn't pass in this case. | 16:35 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: +1, lets do that | 16:35 |
| xyang1 | geguileo: that's just you, not everyone who votes have already thought about it | 16:35 |
| xyang1 | geguileo: I just saw it a few minutes before the meeting | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | wiggin15: Yes, if that's what they have configured, I believe we should allow creation of that .2 TB more. | 16:36 |
| geguileo | xyang1: that's why I said I'm ok with giving time to other people | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | geguileo: even I need to dig out the old patches | 16:36 |
| geguileo | ;-P | 16:36 |
| xyang1 | :) | 16:36 |
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| wiggin15 | so.. should I bring this up next week again? | 16:37 |
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| geguileo | I think we should agree that we have to look at it | 16:38 |
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| geguileo | who is going to be looking at this besides wiggin15 and me? | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Who has an action to move this forward? xyang1 to find patches for background? | 16:38 |
| wiggin15 | xyang1 I would really appreciate if you leave your input in the bug report | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | I'll take a look | 16:38 |
| wiggin15 | thanks | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #action geguileo to add thoughts to bug report | 16:38 |
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| xyang1 | smcginnis: yes | 16:38 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: I already did that! | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #action xyang1 to find patches for historical reference. | 16:38 |
| wiggin15 | geguileo already commented, we are in disagreement :) | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Then that's an easy action item to check off. :) | 16:39 |
| geguileo | oh, I'm ok to change it | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: geguileo if we can simplify this, that will be great, but I could not get there in the past | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | I hate to say this... but would it be worth a new spec to try and resolve all of this again? Or are we resolute in what we have? | 16:39 |
| geguileo | I was more explaining what we have and why it makes sense in a way | 16:39 |
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| geguileo | xyang1: probably wiggin15 approach will simplify it | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: That may be the documentation we're looking for. | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: you really think so?:) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | and honestly perhaps an opportunity to discuss at PTG? | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Although I'd like to see something in the devref. | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | PTG discussion sounds good. I have a feeling we won't resolve all questions by then. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | xyang1 I'm not a fan, but honestly we don't seem to be on the same page as a group here which is part of our problem | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | anybody you ask about this seems to have a different interpretation, which explains the recurring bugs and the differences from device to device | 16:41 |
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| guyr-infinidat | Can we try just to summarize the disagreement? it is about whether the capacity filter should lo ok at the free physical capacity when over-provisioned or not? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | we may not have done a very good job of communicating/documenting this. Maybe that's all we need is some authoritative documentation | 16:41 |
| eharney | there is an existing spec on this, so it would be interesting to look through it and see if it matches what the code is doing at this point or not, and if the spec still agrees with how we think this is supposed to work | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | [18 minutes left and two more topics on the agenda] | 16:42 |
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| xyang1 | The spec was actually updated after the code was merged, but after that there are additional changes to the code | 16:42 |
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| wiggin15 | I'm ok to move forward | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | wiggin15: Can you add this to the PTG etherpad referenced earlier? | 16:43 |
| wiggin15 | We'll have to continue discussion though | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | wiggin15: Yep, agree. | 16:43 |
| wiggin15 | I'm not sure I can attend. but ok | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | wiggin15: We'll see how far we can get before then. | 16:43 |
| wiggin15 | Thank you | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | And hopefully have a better common understanding by then. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #topic Where should 3rd party drivers store their private data | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | zengyingzhe: Hi, you're up. | 16:44 |
| zengyingzhe | smcginnis, thanks. | 16:44 |
| zengyingzhe | here's the thing. | 16:44 |
| zengyingzhe | I commited a patch for Huawei driver, which moved some driver private data from admin-metadata to the volume DB field provider_location, because non-admin user creating volume from image would fail due to not having the admin metadata access permission. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475774 | 16:44 |
| zengyingzhe | however, looks like there're some controversy about this change, the main question is if provider_location is a good place to store private data. | 16:44 |
| zengyingzhe | So I start this topic to discuss where is the proper place to record driver private data, cause we found that there're else drivers already | 16:45 |
| zengyingzhe | using provider_location. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | And I think a key point is some of this is private data to the driver, not metadata for the admin. | 16:45 |
| eharney | provider_location isn't the correct place for what is being stored here | 16:45 |
| eharney | but there is also some confusion, because the original bug was that non-admins can't write to where it was previously stored -- and that is usually fixed by just elevating context and then you don't have to move the data | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT | I certainly thought this was what admin_metadata is for | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | zengyingzhe can you clarify *what* s in that metadata? I was under the impression that it was lun_id and lun_wwn ? | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Image data is one thing, but I believe the Huawei driver has some other internal only data it needs to store. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | zengyingzhe or is it that entire list of lun_params? | 16:47 |
| zengyingzhe | jgriffith, currently, we store LUN wwn in admin metadata. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | zengyingzhe right | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | and that certainly fits in provider info IMO | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | I'm asking if there are things I'm missing here? | 16:48 |
| zengyingzhe | jgriffith, only LUN WWN in admin metadata, no other stuff | 16:49 |
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| tbarron | fwiw manila has "driver-private-data" - driver can return arbitrary key-values of significance only to it in this as a model update and it will be stored in DB | 16:49 |
| zengyingzhe | but we also store some other data in normal metadata, it may incur an issure at the circumstance backup&restore | 16:50 |
| * tbarron fills in for bswartz bingo role on that one | 16:50 | |
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| smcginnis | tbarron: :) | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | zengyingzhe maybe another way of asking; can you show me what the resultant provider-info dict will look like after your change? | 16:50 |
| zengyingzhe | So we also move those data. | 16:50 |
| eharney | is backup and restore not keeping track of some data that it should? | 16:50 |
| zengyingzhe | jgriffith, something like this, {'lun_wwn':***, 'lun_id':***} and also other info about LUN itself. | 16:51 |
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| zengyingzhe | so after this change, all the private data about lun is stored in provider_location, no use admin metadata or normal metadata anymore. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | I believe it's the only usable field we have for privae driver data at the moment. | 16:53 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: is that good enough reason to use it? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | provider_id is another one | 16:55 |
| eharney | does it fit into DriverInitiatorData at all? | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: If we don't want to expose certain data externally, I think so. | 16:55 |
| zengyingzhe | eharney, while restoring to 3rd volume, metadata is also restored to the new created volume, but this will incur overwrite. | 16:55 |
| eharney | zengyingzhe: what overwrites it? | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | 4 minutes. | 16:56 |
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| zengyingzhe | some private info about original LUN, was written to the new created volume's metadata | 16:57 |
| tommylikehu | eharney: zengyingzhe 's point is if we use metadata the lun information will be overwrited, I guess | 16:57 |
| zengyingzhe | tommylikehu, yes | 16:57 |
| eharney | ok | 16:57 |
| zengyingzhe | so we must make this change I think. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | They want to store private data in the private data field. Not sure why the pushback really. | 16:58 |
| eharney | the pushback was because the original explanation didn't make sense | 16:58 |
| eharney | if they want to move it they can move it | 16:59 |
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| eharney | i was just trying to figure out if the change was being made with a correct understanding of how we manage this data | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | eharney: OK, so maybe just need a better commit mesage explaining some more of the background? | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Out of time... | 17:00 |
| geguileo | lucky me! | 17:00 |
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| smcginnis | Sorry geguileo, I guess we'll have to save your for next time. | 17:00 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I'll bug everyone in the channel, no problem | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Thanks | 17:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | zengyingzhe: We'll have to follow up. Thanks for the discussion. | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 17:01:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-19-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-19-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-07-19-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| zengyingzhe | smcginnis, thanks. | 17:01 |
| lhx__ | thanks | 17:01 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 17:01 |
| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 17:01:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| xgerman_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| pksingh | Pradeep | 17:01 |
| johnsom | Hi folks! | 17:02 |
| sanfern | Hi | 17:02 |
| jniesz | Hi | 17:02 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| johnsom | PTL elections are coming up | 17:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 17:02 |
| johnsom | Please consider running for Octavia PTL. The link above has information on criteria, etc. | 17:03 |
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| johnsom | I cannot say at this time whether I will run for another release.... | 17:03 |
| jniesz | :( | 17:04 |
| xgerman_ | :-( | 17:04 |
| johnsom | Plus, it's always good to have new folks involved. | 17:04 |
| sanfern | :( | 17:04 |
| pksingh | johnsom: u are awesome :) | 17:04 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 17:04 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I'm not sure if my employer will want me to run again | 17:04 |
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| sanfern | +1 | 17:04 |
| jniesz | +1 | 17:04 |
| xgerman_ | hopefully we don’t go the way of designate | 17:05 |
| johnsom | Thanks folks! grin | 17:05 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I have faith in our community (couldn't do it without your support) | 17:05 |
| pksingh | xgerman_: what happened with designate? | 17:05 |
| pksingh | may be not important | 17:06 |
| xgerman_ | they imploded because of lack of participants/leadership | 17:06 |
| johnsom | Also, the PTG is September 11-15th. I have an Octavia room reserved Wednesday through Friday, though I will be there all week. | 17:06 |
| pksingh | xgerman_: ohh | 17:06 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 17:06 |
| johnsom | The next summit is in Sydney, Australia November 6-8. I am not planning to attend this one. | 17:07 |
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| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/ | 17:07 |
| xgerman_ | rm_work and I submitted a talk | 17:08 |
| johnsom | Yes, I think some folks are planning to attend. | 17:08 |
| xgerman_ | well, I wouldn’t call that planning | 17:08 |
| johnsom | Well, I'm pretty sure at least one other person is.... | 17:08 |
| xgerman_ | but if somebody has budget and the talk is approved we can add people | 17:09 |
| johnsom | Yeah, our talks are usually a community collaboration. | 17:09 |
| johnsom | Which I think is cool. | 17:09 |
| johnsom | Final announcement I have: Feature freeze and Pike-3 milestone is next week, July 24th!!!! | 17:10 |
| johnsom | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 17:10 |
| johnsom | Next week we will be locking down the features for Pike. Please plan accordingly. If you have something critical to get in, please add it to the priority bug list and let me know. | 17:11 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Octavia-Pike-priority-patches | 17:11 |
| johnsom | Any other announcements I am forgetting about? | 17:11 |
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| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 17:12 |
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| xgerman_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418530/ - needs review | 17:12 |
| nmagnezi | johnsom, just joined in. I think you'll get our votes even if you won't run. | 17:12 |
| johnsom | Ok, so I just mentioned a reminder about the priority bug list. | 17:12 |
| xgerman_ | yep added | 17:12 |
| johnsom | Cool | 17:13 |
| xgerman_ | but we should probably discuss if/how much we swotch to V2 API | 17:13 |
| xgerman_ | later | 17:13 |
| johnsom | nmagnezi also wanted input on: | 17:13 |
| johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1705259 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705259 in octavia "Octavia health-manager and worker should work better with any given interface_driver " [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Nir Magnezi (nmagnezi) | 17:13 |
| johnsom | Ok | 17:13 |
| nmagnezi | yup, please have a look and comment i'd like to work on that one | 17:14 |
| johnsom | Recently I have started to pick up the python-openstacksdk patches that the folks from Intel started | 17:14 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454410/ | 17:14 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451574/ | 17:14 |
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| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/449264 | 17:15 |
| johnsom | This is a python library for OpenStack that will include Octavia. | 17:15 |
| johnsom | I plan to use it for the octavia-dashboard | 17:15 |
| johnsom | I think I can get most of API done this week. | 17:16 |
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| johnsom | Any other progress updates or bugs to note? | 17:16 |
| johnsom | #topic Proposed mascot | 17:17 |
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| johnsom | The foundation has come back with a proposed mascot rendering | 17:17 |
| johnsom | #link https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KdpSnmb0/OctaviaMascot.jpg | 17:18 |
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| johnsom | I think rm_work had some comments/feedback. Any other thoughts from the team? | 17:18 |
| nmagnezi | looks nice! | 17:18 |
| rm_mobile | o/ | 17:18 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 17:18 |
| xgerman_ | ship it | 17:18 |
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| nmagnezi | +1 | 17:18 |
| nmagnezi | looks good | 17:18 |
| rm_mobile | I did have some feedback | 17:18 |
| pksingh | it looks nice | 17:18 |
| rm_mobile | Can you link it again? | 17:18 |
| nmagnezi | rm_mobile, https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KdpSnmb0/OctaviaMascot.jpg | 17:18 |
| sanfern | looks good | 17:19 |
| rm_mobile | I thought it looked really busy | 17:19 |
| rm_mobile | And why wasn't it 8 feathers | 17:19 |
| rm_mobile | That'd help with the busyness | 17:19 |
| pksingh | its our national birs | 17:19 |
| pksingh | bird | 17:19 |
| rm_mobile | And make it a pun | 17:19 |
| johnsom | Nice | 17:19 |
| pksingh | great :) | 17:19 |
| rm_mobile | Oct-avia | 17:20 |
| johnsom | So, proposing dropping the two bottom feathers? | 17:20 |
| xgerman_ | sounds good | 17:20 |
| sanfern | +1 | 17:20 |
| rm_mobile | They could do that or resize them all | 17:20 |
| pksingh | rm_mobile: avia? | 17:20 |
| rm_mobile | I actually was hoping for the resize but both work | 17:21 |
| rm_mobile | Pksingh "oct" | 17:21 |
| rm_mobile | Means 8 :P | 17:21 |
| johnsom | What do others think about dropping the two bottom feathers to make it eight (octa)? | 17:21 |
| rm_mobile | Just dropping those two might make it look awkward because of the lines | 17:22 |
| pksingh | then we can increase the width of feathers little bit, to look it full | 17:22 |
| johnsom | Personally I'm fine with it as-is, but looking for feedback | 17:22 |
| nmagnezi | if that's important for Adam I'd vote in favor of it :P | 17:22 |
| johnsom | To give context, the foundation is putting them here: | 17:22 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, for me it’s more important we get a mascot/sticker after what happened the last time ;-) | 17:22 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/ | 17:22 |
| johnsom | They will also make up stickers for the summit/PTG | 17:23 |
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| xgerman_ | I already reserved a space on my laptop ;-) | 17:23 |
| * nmagnezi needs a mascot shipped :D | 17:24 | |
| johnsom | nmagnezi We can probably make that happen | 17:24 |
| xgerman_ | +1 | 17:24 |
| sanfern | please ship to us ;) | 17:24 |
| nmagnezi | that would be really nice :-) | 17:24 |
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| johnsom | We can figure out a way to get any active contributor a sticker | 17:25 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah just note how simple most are | 17:25 |
| rm_mobile | On that page | 17:25 |
| johnsom | Ok, so should we vote on this? More discussion? | 17:25 |
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| rm_mobile | To many lines makes them look really bad as a low res icon | 17:25 |
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| johnsom | When I zoom it small in chrome the dark and light sections show up pretty well actually | 17:26 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah it's close | 17:26 |
| johnsom | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FwOSBaQh/image.png | 17:27 |
| rm_mobile | Eugh | 17:27 |
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| rm_mobile | Yeah less plz | 17:27 |
| jniesz | i think less feathers would help that | 17:28 |
| rm_mobile | 8! | 17:28 |
| johnsom | #startvote Should we change the proposed mascot? Yes, No | 17:29 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we change the proposed mascot? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 17:29 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 17:29 |
| johnsom | Just to keep our voting heritage alive.... | 17:29 |
| xgerman_ | ol | 17:29 |
| rm_mobile | #vote yes | 17:29 |
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| johnsom | #vote No | 17:30 |
| rm_mobile | #vote Yes | 17:30 |
| pksingh | #vote No | 17:30 |
| jniesz | #vote yes | 17:30 |
| sanfern | #vote yes | 17:30 |
| nmagnezi | #vote yes | 17:30 |
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| johnsom | Ok, going once... | 17:31 |
| johnsom | going twice.... | 17:31 |
| johnsom | #endvote | 17:31 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we change the proposed mascot?" Results are | 17:31 |
| openstack | Yes (4): sanfern, nmagnezi, rm_mobile, jniesz | 17:31 |
| openstack | No (2): johnsom, pksingh | 17:31 |
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| rm_mobile | 8 feathers wins the day! Huzzah | 17:32 |
| johnsom | Ok, so help me with instructions for the artist. We want eight feathers, how do we do that? | 17:32 |
| rm_mobile | Reduce the number of feathers by 2 | 17:32 |
| rm_mobile | :P | 17:32 |
| * johnsom glares | 17:32 | |
| rm_mobile | Ideally scale the others around to match the current layout | 17:32 |
| jniesz | reduce by 2 resize the rest | 17:32 |
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| johnsom | So we still want two dropped features, just remove two, resize and some white space between feathers? | 17:33 |
| johnsom | Help me, to help you, help the artist.... grin | 17:33 |
| rm_mobile | Err I don't know about white space | 17:34 |
| rm_mobile | Just drop two and resize imo | 17:34 |
| johnsom | So, you are thinking making the feathers bigger? | 17:34 |
| jniesz | yea, no whitespace | 17:34 |
| rm_mobile | Yes | 17:34 |
| johnsom | Ok | 17:34 |
| johnsom | Everyone good with that? Additional comments? | 17:35 |
| johnsom | Don't make me call another vote... grin | 17:35 |
| johnsom | All right, moving on | 17:36 |
| johnsom | #topic Discuss L3 active-active spec confusion (xgerman) | 17:36 |
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| johnsom | xgerman and I were talking this week about the active/active patch he is working on and the distributor driver | 17:36 |
| johnsom | I think there is some confusion about the L3 spec | 17:37 |
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| johnsom | Specifically, what actions the L3 act/act distrubutor driver will take against the top of rack switch? | 17:37 |
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| xgerman_ | and what part the bgp speaker plays | 17:38 |
| jniesz | the ToR will be the bgp peer | 17:38 |
| johnsom | What are the mechanics if an amphora needs to be removed from rotation? (distributor-> ToR switch?) | 17:38 |
| johnsom | And what exactly the BGP speaker will be sending out. | 17:38 |
| johnsom | xgerman_ Does that capture the questions? | 17:38 |
| jniesz | the bgp speaker will essentially be sending out route announcements | 17:38 |
| jniesz | to the bgp peer of the ToR | 17:39 |
| xgerman_ | ok, johnsom thought the speaker would just annoucne and cold be configured when starting an amp and didn’t need to be reconfigured | 17:39 |
| jniesz | we would want the ability to cleanly withdraw the route as well | 17:40 |
| jniesz | so when we remove it from the distributor | 17:40 |
| jniesz | it will pull the route | 17:40 |
| jniesz | otherwise have to wait for timeout | 17:40 |
| jniesz | which is dictated by the hold time | 17:40 |
| johnsom | So, give us a little detail on how that would work. Is that a distributor driver call to ToR? | 17:41 |
| jniesz | no calls directly to the ToR | 17:41 |
| jniesz | all the calls would go through the bgp speaker on the amphora | 17:41 |
| johnsom | Ok, so to remove an amphora, it needs to stop speaking. Correct? | 17:41 |
| jniesz | to remove it would have to withdraw the /32 route and then terminate the peering session | 17:42 |
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| jniesz | that is for shutdown | 17:42 |
| johnsom | Because essentially, in your model the "distributor" is the ToR doing the ECMP right? | 17:42 |
| jniesz | the ToR is just bgp neighbor that is taking the route and injecting it into the L3 fabric | 17:43 |
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| jniesz | the neighbor could be a route reflector as well | 17:43 |
| jniesz | doesn't have to be the ToR | 17:43 |
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| jniesz | in our model it will be ToR | 17:43 |
| jniesz | but the design should work with different network topologies based on L3 fabric | 17:43 |
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| jniesz | when the amphora boots up we can automatically create the peer session | 17:44 |
| johnsom | So, to setup the ECMP hashing, your distributor driver would talk to what? | 17:44 |
| jniesz | and then announce the route when everything is ready | 17:44 |
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| jniesz | for the ECMP hashing, we would need multiple amphora launched | 17:45 |
| johnsom | Or are you planning to just accept any multi-advertised route as an ECMP hashed | 17:45 |
| jniesz | and they would inject the same anycast VIP route with different next-hops | 17:45 |
| jniesz | each amphora injects the same route with different next hop | 17:46 |
| jniesz | ECMP happens when you have 2+ | 17:46 |
| jniesz | as the network then has multiple best paths of equal eight | 17:46 |
| jniesz | weight | 17:46 |
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| * johnsom Thinks he had this all wrong and German was on the right path. | 17:47 | |
| johnsom | I think we need to step back and re-think the distributor driver. | 17:47 |
| xgerman_ | well, we still should note that in the spec | 17:47 |
| xgerman_ | so others can read & understand | 17:47 |
| johnsom | jniesz Can we update the spec to call out who is talking to what components for each of the actions? I think that would help clarify. | 17:48 |
| johnsom | +1 Yeah, that was what I was typing. | 17:48 |
| xgerman_ | it can also just be an example and we can go from there | 17:48 |
| jniesz | yes, it would be an example, as a different operator might have different devices | 17:48 |
| johnsom | Bonus points for a lifecycle | 17:48 |
| jniesz | that they BGP peer with | 17:48 |
| johnsom | Right | 17:49 |
| xgerman_ | yes, but it would help us to understand ;-) | 17:49 |
| jniesz | ok, I can add some details in the spec with our example | 17:49 |
| johnsom | Thanks! | 17:50 |
| xgerman_ | I still feel we need to whiteboard ACTIVE-ACTIVE and talk that through at the PTG | 17:50 |
| jniesz | also for the distributor driver talk if you want to discuss after on a call I can set up | 17:50 |
| johnsom | ok, so now the discussion is really about how we abstract the act/act to support the "service vm distributor", "appliance distributor", and 'L3 fabric distributor" models. | 17:50 |
| xgerman_ | indeed | 17:51 |
| xgerman_ | and where we put the abstraction: flows for each or hide it in the driver | 17:51 |
| jniesz | yea, I remember the flow question came up | 17:51 |
| johnsom | I can't do a call today, I have some other meetings, but yeah, whiteboard and/or proposals would be good. | 17:52 |
| johnsom | I need to think about that abstraction a bit. | 17:52 |
| jniesz | they are pretty different, as some you just call api from driver, others you have to orchestrate the service vm distributor | 17:53 |
| xgerman_ | same here and we probably should loop in rm_work to see if it fits "our architecture” | 17:53 |
| johnsom | Right | 17:53 |
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| johnsom | #action Think about how we abstract the act/act to support the "service vm distributor", "appliance distributor", and 'L3 fabric distributor" models. | 17:54 |
| johnsom | #topic Open discussion | 17:54 |
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| johnsom | Any other topics for the last 5-6 minutes today? | 17:54 |
| xgerman_ | My main things is how much do we want to switch to V2 API? | 17:54 |
| pksingh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484325/ | 17:54 |
| xgerman_ | Are we planning to change the default in devstack. etc. | 17:55 |
| xgerman_ | unrelated I asked infra and they can build diskiamges… | 17:55 |
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| johnsom | Hmmm, so changing the service "octavia" to not require neutron-lbaas? | 17:56 |
| xgerman_ | and making the proxy default driver in Neutron | 17:56 |
| johnsom | We need to merge that first... | 17:56 |
| xgerman_ | indeed | 17:56 |
| johnsom | (needs some reviews) | 17:56 |
| xgerman_ | but depending on what we decide that might inform priorities | 17:57 |
| johnsom | Yeah | 17:57 |
| johnsom | It might be a bit late to pull that switch on other projects. I'm thinking heat for example | 17:57 |
| xgerman_ | well, I think we can punt that until next week…if we do proxy it shoudl eb transparent | 17:58 |
| johnsom | I would propose making sure the proxy gets into Pike, then at the start of queens making the switch | 17:58 |
| xgerman_ | yeah, just wanted us to have a decision… works for me | 17:58 |
| johnsom | Ok, let's do that. | 17:59 |
| johnsom | pksingh | 17:59 |
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| pksingh | johnsom: i replied to your comments | 17:59 |
| johnsom | Reading your comments. I will comment there as we are now out of time | 17:59 |
| pksingh | johnsom: sure, thanks :) | 17:59 |
| johnsom | Other please chime in | 17:59 |
| johnsom | Ok, thanks folks! | 18:00 |
| xgerman_ | thanks | 18:00 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 18:00:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-07-19-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-07-19-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-07-19-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anybody about for this week's storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we even have an out-of-tune violin | 19:00 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ will give it a few min | 19:02 | |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hi :) | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 19:02:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Open Discussion | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | continuing our trend of short meetings that just provide a space for people to raise stuff if they want to | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | discuss, or don't; I'll end the meeting at quarter past if no discussion | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I heard back from Octavia finally and they want to wait till the start of the next release. Still no word from the others. If we can test some more projects I can reach out to another batch | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, okay | 19:04 |
| fungi | woo! | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | do we have a list for the other projects to be tested yet? | 19:04 |
| * diablo_rojo thinks there is a story out there somewhere | 19:04 | |
| SotK | i shall test some when i test your patch :) | 19:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, that would be EXCELLENT | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000876 | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hah, I was just looking for the link | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | neat | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I haven't tested mine yet, cause all kinds of issues and lack of time, but I will try again next week. | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I can add some more projects to test too | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000876 Migrate Project to Storyboard | 19:06 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I think I got through mine but that was some time ago and they've likely changed in the interim | 19:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, would you mind retesting and posting the results in the tasks? | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | sure, I can do. | 19:08 |
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| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, thank you :) | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | np :) | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I also managed to test a patch the other day! | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but there was a bug | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so I left a -1 and felt bad | 19:10 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but I just wanted to tell everyone that I actually reviewed something for the first time in a while | 19:11 |
| fungi | next time you leave a -1, feel good that you kept a bug out! | 19:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha don't feel bad, you did something helpful :) | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha, thanks | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it was a 3 month old patch ;_; | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but steadily, I am getting back on track with it | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Works for me :) | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | also argh ptg | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh yes, who will be there besides myself and fungi ? | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, SotK ? | 19:13 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens Infra planning pad for Queens PTG in Denver | 19:13 |
| fungi | put ideas there if you have any | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | diablo_rojo: I haven't yet booked anything though I'd like to go | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | things have been a bit hectic, should be able to say more next week. | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Apply to TSP if you need help | 19:14 |
| fungi | that's what it's there for, after all | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Truth! | 19:15 |
| fungi | i have no problem as infra ptl vouching for tsp applicants who work on sb | 19:15 |
| fungi | the foundation sets aside the tsp fund explicitly for making sure that we can get as much of our community as possible to these events | 19:16 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | neato, one thing I'm wondering is what happens if I ask for tsp and then find out I can get funding? can I pay it back or something? | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that's part of the reason I've dithered. | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | And thanks to Verizon we have 10 more spots than we would have | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we could just take a TSP donation for the same amount things cost? | 19:17 |
| christian1110 | where? | 19:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | That would basically be the same zara_the_lemur__ | 19:17 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, okay, great | 19:18 |
| fungi | the way the tsp stuff works, most of it isn't really fungible anyway (for example, we already have the room block, flights get booked by travel support, et cetera) i think | 19:18 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, right | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | It wouldn't be like you would take your name off the list for this round, but next round there would be whatever money you gave back. | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Its one giant budget that gets split. | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | From what I understand | 19:19 |
| fungi | so if you can't go they reassign the ticket or get it refunded, they take the unused rate on the room or reassign it, and so on | 19:19 |
| fungi | but anyway, don't let thinking there's a chance you might not need it stop you from applying if you want to go and aren't sure you'll have funding otherwise | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, thank you | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | If I have other questions I guess I'll ping, then :) | 19:21 |
| fungi | happy to get you answers or get you someone who has them | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks :) | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed, apply if you think you might need it. Easier to ask first and then take your name off the list later than to not apply and then need it and have missed the boat | 19:22 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | right, I'll try to have something done on that front by the end of this week | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and hopefully get a traditional task-tracking session planned ;) | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 19:24 |
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| fungi | yeah, could consider doing some sb q&a in a shared room slot for teams interested in migrating, and/or hang out on the first two days when the horizontal teams are hosting a sort of help desk meet-n-greet in their rooms for people who have questions or want our assistance | 19:25 |
| fungi | and then have some nice fingers-to-the-keyboard time to hack out new stuff on wednesday through friday if you want | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that would work, at the last ptg I kinda floated around at the start of the week advertising my location so people could come over with questions | 19:26 |
| fungi | yeah, that has been formalized into a feature for the first two days basically ;) | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, +1 | 19:27 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | :D (as for the second half of the week, I think I spent most of it regretting I hadn't organised an aquarium trip) | 19:27 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | *regretting that | 19:27 |
| fungi | #link http://www.aquariumrestaurants.com/downtownaquariumdenver/default.asp Downtown Aquarium - Denver, CO | 19:29 |
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| fungi | you could eat and watch fish at the same time | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ooh, neat | 19:30 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I haven't looked at what sorts of things are around in denver more generally | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | TORCHYS TACOS | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | VOODOO DONUTS | 19:30 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | wow they even have mermaids | 19:30 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | according to their slideshow | 19:30 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #action Zara will organise some kind of task tracking ptg plan and maybe a trip out | 19:33 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't have anything else | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'll leave the meeting going for another minute or so jic | 19:34 |
| fungi | nothing important from me, but great meeting! | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha :) | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, meeting ends in 5 | 19:35 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 19:35:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-07-19-19.02.html | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, all! :D | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-07-19-19.02.txt | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | you're the best! | 19:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-07-19-19.02.log.html | 19:35 |
| fungi | thanks zara_the_lemur__! | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks zara_the_lemur__ :) | 19:35 |
| * fungi gets back to the mailing list equivalent of boring paperwork | 19:35 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh no | 19:36 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I could've extended the meeting | 19:36 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I could restart it | 19:36 |
| fungi | nah, if i don't get it done now, i just have to do it later | 19:36 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | heh, okay I will not do '#startmeeting fungi-procrastination' | 19:37 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 20:00:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring? | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | well not for mentoring, but for the team meeting about it | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, last call for women of openstack mentoring? | 20:11 |
| NicoleH | Emily, did anyone join for women of openstack mentoring, or am I just late? | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Nicole, you're the only other one who's joined | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | should we just continue discussions via email? | 20:12 |
| NicoleH | Oh, ok | 20:12 |
| NicoleH | Sure, happy to continue discussions via email :) | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think kendall sent out the survey and we were discussing if we want to remove any questions | 20:13 |
| NicoleH | Yep, I saw that in email. I'll take another look at that string. | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | did you have any topics you wanted to discuss? | 20:14 |
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| NicoleH | How are we coming along on the mentoring session for Sydney? | 20:15 |
| NicoleH | I think I remember that we had volunteers who were going to run with that one, right? | 20:15 |
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| ekhugen_alt | we did, Amrith and Swami volunteered | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | but they haven't been able to make these meetings I think | 20:15 |
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| ekhugen_alt | plus there was the discussion at the Women of OpenStack level about whether we even wanted a separate event for speed mentoring | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | or if we should roll it into the wos lunch | 20:16 |
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| NicoleH | Oh, interesting thought about combining the speed mentoring session with the wos lunch. | 20:19 |
| NicoleH | The wos lunch included a mini panel discussion in Boston, right? | 20:19 |
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| ekhugen_alt | right, it did | 20:20 |
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| ekhugen_alt | but in barcelona the breakfast had kind of a open networking part to it | 20:20 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so they could bring that back, make it a bit more formal like speed mentoring | 20:20 |
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| NicoleH | Ah, got it | 20:21 |
| NicoleH | What are your thoughts? | 20:22 |
| NicoleH | I really liked the mini panel discussion, with a separate speed mentoring session. Just my 2 cents. | 20:22 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I did too, but with the smaller size of sydney, if they're looking to cut the number of sponsored sessions, it would be easy and I don't think we'd lose too much content | 20:23 |
| NicoleH | true, particularly for sydney :) | 20:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Sorry I'm late | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think maybe next Monday women of openstack meeting we'll discuss that more? | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Kendall, no worries | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Been trying to register for Grace Hopper for 4+ hours.. | 20:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I like the separate Speed Mentoring if we can get the people to do it again. | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | I will definitely be there to help. | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Or if we do condense it should only be for Sydney | 20:29 |
| * amrith lurks in the background | 20:29 | |
| * diablo_rojo waves to amrith :) | 20:30 | |
| amrith | hi diablo_rojo | 20:30 |
| amrith | sorry about being late (again) | 20:30 |
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| amrith | this meeting overlaps another (work meeting) | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | amrith, no worries :) | 20:30 |
| * amrith speed-reads the story so far | 20:30 | |
| amrith | ok, happy to do the speed mentoring thing again. | 20:31 |
| amrith | it was fun (for me) but I never got to hear what the feedback from attendees was. was it valuable to them, woudl they recommend it to friends. | 20:31 |
| amrith | where are my manners, hi ekhugen_alt | 20:32 |
| ekhugen_alt | sorry I'm getting interrupted by phone calls, hi amrith | 20:33 |
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| ekhugen_alt | but yes, I think diablo_rojo we're still missing a sponsor for the sydney speed mentoring session, right? | 20:35 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, let me double check | 20:35 |
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| * diablo_rojo waits for the other Kendall at the foundation to reply :) | 20:36 | |
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| diablo_rojo | No one has stepped up to sponsor speed mentoring yet. | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, ^^ | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, thanks | 20:37 |
| amrith | what's the ask of a sponsor? | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | amrith, https://www.openstack.org/assets/sydney-summit/sponsorship/Sydney-Sponsor-Prospectus-FINAL.pdf | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | page 16 | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | is there a deadline for the sponsorships, diablo_rojo? | 20:39 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, I'll ask :) | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks, sorry to keep you running back and forth | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | This is why I have two monitors plus my laptop screen- easy to have multiple convos at once :) | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | No problem btw | 20:40 |
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| amrith | looking at page 16 | 20:41 |
| amrith | one second | 20:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Sept 27th is the official contract deadline | 20:42 |
| diablo_rojo | But I think we can get a bit of an extension if need be | 20:42 |
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| ekhugen_alt | ah okay, so we have awhile before we have to make the call whether to combine events or not | 20:43 |
| amrith | ok, so the networking lunch is sold out, the speed networking is still open. | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | amrith, correct :) | 20:43 |
| amrith | ok, will poke around the cushions and see what I can find. | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | amrith, sounds good :) You have some time to search multiple couches :) | 20:43 |
| * ekhugen_alt looks in her spare change drawer | 20:43 | |
| amrith | diablo_rojo will look. Oh, .. never mind, different topic. | 20:44 |
| ekhugen_alt | so amrith, do you have any questions about the speed mentoring event (going on the assumption we'll have one) and how it's run? | 20:45 |
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| amrith | i have one question ekhugen_alt , is it like the last one (in Boston)? if it is, I'm fine with it, if it is different, please let me know what it is. the earlier question was about feedback on the event. | 20:46 |
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| ekhugen_alt | well I think the proposal in the prospectus was for an event like the last one in Boston | 20:46 |
| diablo_rojo | I dont think there is anything we need to change- I think it went really well. | 20:47 |
| ekhugen_alt | the feedback from that one was positive, usually we don't hear a ton from mentees afterward (not all of them sign up ahead of time, so it's hard to follow up) | 20:47 |
| diablo_rojo | More attendees would have been great, but I think as far as format and number of mentors we had it was good. | 20:48 |
| ekhugen_alt | but the comments here were overwhelmingly positive https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-speed-mentoring | 20:48 |
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| ekhugen_alt | it was a good amount of people for the room, I think | 20:48 |
| ekhugen_alt | previous events we had a larger room | 20:49 |
| ekhugen_alt | and probably could've taken more people | 20:49 |
| amrith | ok, thanks ekhugen_alt diablo_rojo, my #action is to look behind the cushions | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks amrith! | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | so I think the other topic was the survey that diablo_rojo sent out | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | not survey, signup sheet https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring_pike_queens | 20:52 |
| ekhugen_alt | did people have other suggestions of what questions could be eliminated/added? | 20:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | Did we ever match people based on location before? | 20:55 |
| diablo_rojo | Or more just interest? | 20:55 |
| ekhugen_alt | in some of the early times, we tried based on location, but it's next to impossible really | 20:55 |
| ekhugen_alt | there are so many projects, the chances of getting someone in your project and in your geography are slim | 20:56 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think more we had un-matches based on that. People who said the relationship didn't work out because they couldn't find a time to meet. | 20:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Knowing that, we can take those questions out I think | 20:57 |
| ekhugen_alt | but that's so dependent on personal working style, etc, I don't know if we can reliably identify those issues ahead of time | 20:57 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 diablo_rojo | 20:57 |
| diablo_rojo | And I agree with all of the ones you said in the email we could remove | 20:57 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, | 20:57 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, we're almost out of time, so any further discussion on this, can we move to email? | 20:58 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 20:59:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-07-19-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-07-19-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-07-19-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 20:59 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 19 21:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | hi | 21:00 |
| acoles | hello | 21:00 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
| notmyname | meeting agenda is at | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #topic denver ptg | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "denver ptg (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| notmyname | reminder that the PTG is coming up | 21:01 |
| notmyname | you should have already registered for your ticket and hotel :-) | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-queens | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | that's the topic etherpad where we're collecting the things we want to discuss in person | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | please encourage everyone to be at the PTG, especially ops. getting the devs and ops together is crucial | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | if you're still planning your week, monday and tuesday will be for cross project sessions (scheduled) and any ad-hoc conversations we may have. wed-fri will have a reserved room for swift | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | o/ (sorry for being late) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | are there any questions about the PTG that we can answer in here or that I can hunt down for you? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | great! no questions | 21:04 |
| notmyname | (please feel free to ask at any time in -swift if you do have questions) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #topic bug triage work | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage work (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:05 | |
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| notmyname | so we're one week in to this (or a little longer, depending on how you count). how are we doing? | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-bug-triage-list | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | I see that tdasilva had put his name on several and they're mostly crossed off now. great job! | 21:06 |
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| acoles | looks like tdasilva is the champ! | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | honestly, i've been picking the low hanging fruit just to make progress | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | cross stuff out | 21:07 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:07 |
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| tdasilva | hopefully make the list more manageable | 21:08 |
| notmyname | see! go do stuff now, and you get all the easy ones! | 21:08 |
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| tdasilva | i'd like to think there's lots of that | 21:08 |
| notmyname | everyone else should go do bug triage today so tdasilva doesn't get all the low-hanging-fruit :-) | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | please put your names on bugs, go triage them, and cross them off after updating the status in LP (see the notes at the top of the etherpad) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | (I'm speaking to myself, too) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | (maybe literally since it doesn't seem like anyone else is talking in here) ;-) | 21:10 |
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| tdasilva | heh...I was playing with tags a big, but would like to get feedback and see what people think | 21:10 |
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| tdasilva | I created a few that maybe in the future can help us just to see where most bugs go? | 21:11 |
| timburke | i wish the graphs on http://status.openstack.org/bugday/ went back more than 3 days... | 21:11 |
| notmyname | instead of trying to evaluate a bug based on the title listed (to decide if you're going to sign up for it), just sign up and then take a look :-) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: those look great | 21:11 |
| acoles | tdasilva: I think the service tags could be useful | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: like a "bugweek" or something?! crazytalk | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: acoles and I thought of the same idea of maybe utilizing the first two days at PTG | 21:13 |
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| tdasilva | if time allows | 21:13 |
| notmyname | that's a great idea | 21:13 |
| timburke | i'm in :-) | 21:13 |
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| tdasilva | if we plan it maybe even folks not going to PTG can participate | 21:13 |
| notmyname | what would be in the plan? | 21:14 |
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| tdasilva | I guess to start is to announce that we are going going to do that ;) | 21:14 |
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| tdasilva | then maybe get everybody to sign up for some number of bugs...idk never done this before... :D | 21:15 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:15 |
| acoles | we'll need to be flexible to allow us to attend useful stuff that may be happening on those days, but I like the idea | 21:15 |
| tdasilva | yep! | 21:15 |
| notmyname | ok, I can imagine what that looks like (the announcement and organization) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:16 |
| notmyname | I think we need to add a little bit of description to the top of the bug etherpad for people to come up to speed without having to have followed these meetings and the other IRC conversations | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I can work on that | 21:17 |
| tdasilva | sounds good | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | is there anything more that needs to be brought up in this meeting about bug triage work? | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | thanks to Christian for getting that list up | 21:18 |
| acoles | +1 ^^ | 21:18 |
| notmyname | yes! his work has been invaluable | 21:18 |
| notmyname | #topic upcoming releases, priority reviews | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "upcoming releases, priority reviews (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:19 | |
| notmyname | as I've talked about recently, I'd like to do releases asap | 21:19 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | the priority reviews page has some important things listed | 21:19 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448480 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478416/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475038/ need reviews | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 448480 - swift - DB replicator cleanup | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 478416 - swift - Add multiple worker processes strategy to reconstr... | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 475038 - python-swiftclient - Allow for uploads from standard input. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I believe timburke and acoles are looking at the ec reconstructor one (right?) | 21:20 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes | 21:20 |
| notmyname | one question I have is about acoles's composite replicated rings patch. where are we with it? could it get in? should it be added to the list? | 21:21 |
| acoles | yo mean https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477000 | 21:22 |
| patchbot | patch 477000 - swift - Ring rebalance respects co-builders' last_part_moves | 21:22 |
| notmyname | the stdin swiftclient patch is something that will really help a lot of use cases | 21:22 |
| notmyname | acoles: maybe I do | 21:22 |
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| acoles | notmyname: I'd love to have 477000 in next release, kota_ has been looking at it and i did have clayg's +2 | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | I've been looking at the db replication one, not as much as I'd like.. just want to test on a my SAIO a little. Bec comes back soon so will have more time, but if others want to look feel free :) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | thanks mattoliverau | 21:23 |
| kota_ | it looks acoles update the patch since i reviewed, so i should circle back to there | 21:23 |
| notmyname | I'd like to have a volunteer for the stdin swiftclient patch | 21:23 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 21:24 |
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| acoles | kota_: thanks, I'll try to catch up with you at end of your day if you have any queries | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | can someone volunteer to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475038/ please? | 21:26 |
| patchbot | patch 475038 - python-swiftclient - Allow for uploads from standard input. | 21:26 |
| jrichli | I'll try to carve out some time to take a look this week | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:26 |
| notmyname | thanks jrichli and tdasilva | 21:27 |
| notmyname | that's the last patch needed for a swiftclient release (aside from the boilerplate authors/changelog update) | 21:27 |
| notmyname | Ithink that covers the stuff on priority reviews | 21:28 |
| notmyname | any questions/comments/concerns over upcoming releases? | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | note that the docs migration stuff is still in progress (most of the big stuff is done, but there's a little more to do yet) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | oh, the swiftclient docs migration has a little bit to do, IIRC. that should be done before a release. i'll work on that | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | #topic barbica/castellan dependency | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: this is your topic. what's up? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364878/28 | 21:30 |
| patchbot | patch 364878 - swift - Retrieve encryption root secret from Barbican | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | so i've been reviewing mathiasb patch and noticed that it depends on castellan, but the patch does not update requirements.txt | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | talked to mathiasb a bit and it seems that is still up in the air on whether we want to add that dependency or not | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | so I just wanted to hear from folks what they think are the pros and cons | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | what if we added the functionality without the requirements update (for now) and added the requirements update later, in part depending on it's usage | 21:32 |
| notmyname | (yes I know there's a catch-22 there) | 21:32 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: is it similar scenario to keystonemiddleware which is also not in requirements.txt? | 21:32 |
| jrichli | I think I had given mathiasb the advice to shy away from the dependency. so as not to require that unless you used that middleware | 21:32 |
| timburke | add it to [extras] in setup.cfg? | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | timburke: hmm...interesting, had not heard of that before | 21:33 |
| timburke | acoles: there's a slight difference, in that we don't *import* from keystonemiddleware | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | and that's what i was thinking, how do we at least point users to these other dependencies that they might need | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | extra-requirements.txt ?? | 21:33 |
| mathiasb | we've discussed it in person and in the patch comments, and imho the consensus has been not to add the dependencies at this time in requirements.txt | 21:33 |
| timburke | then you can do things like `pip install swift[castellan]` or w/e | 21:34 |
| timburke | we currently do something like that for swiftclient: https://github.com/openstack/python-swiftclient/blob/master/setup.cfg#L35-L37 | 21:34 |
| notmyname | I'm not very familiar with that mechanic, but it seems like a simple solution | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | mathiasb: tdasilva: what do you think? | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | yep, then we can just document it | 21:35 |
| timburke | https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0426/#extras-optional-dependencies | 21:35 |
| acoles | timburke: that's interesting, had not noticed that mechanism before | 21:35 |
| mathiasb | i'm not familiat with that either, but i can definitely look into it | 21:35 |
| notmyname | cool! a way forward! | 21:36 |
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| mathiasb | we do mention the requirements in the docs | 21:36 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: mathiasb: were there other things to bring up on this topic here in the meeting? | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | also, the patch already has a +2 and I've been reviewing and think it looks pretty good, but it would be nice to get other folks to review before I give my +2 | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | especially folks that have been playing with encryption before :D | 21:37 |
| notmyname | jrichli: would you have any time to look? | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | maybe we can have barbican support in Pike! :D | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | that would be really great! | 21:38 |
| jrichli | notmyname: its on my list to review - i had started, but got interupted | 21:38 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:38 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: but please don't let jrichli's review hold up your review. go ahead and put your vote down too :-) | 21:39 |
| tdasilva | ok, i think we will need another patchset, but mostly around 'smaller' items like we just discussed and docs | 21:39 |
| acoles | last time I looked it seemed in good shape | 21:39 |
| tdasilva | code is very small | 21:39 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | anything else on this patch? | 21:40 |
| mathiasb | there's a related barbicanclient bug that tdasilva discovered that people actually running the code might bump into | 21:40 |
| notmyname | should it block this patch? | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | blocks testing :D | 21:41 |
| notmyname | hmmm. that's not good | 21:41 |
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| mathiasb | tdasilva: do you have the link? typing on my phone atm :/ | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | yeah, you kinda have to go manually | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | small change | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484926/2 | 21:41 |
| patchbot | patch 484926 - python-barbicanclient - fix default version | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | i think barbican client had a big refactor a few days ago and it introduced a small regression | 21:42 |
| notmyname | should the swift patch have a depends-on? | 21:42 |
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| tdasilva | the patch itself doesn't depend on it | 21:42 |
| notmyname | oh. yeah, I was noticing that the gate passes | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | it's mathiasb script to set the env up that depends on it | 21:42 |
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| tdasilva | btw: mathiasb script and Vagrantfile are very useful, thank you mathiasb! | 21:43 |
| mathiasb | yw, anything to make testing and reviewing easier! | 21:44 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:44 |
| notmyname | do you have any concerns about landing our patch before the barbican client patch? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | or we should land ours and encourage them to land theirs and everything is good? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | (ie no defined order) | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: no, but honestly i don't think it will happend. the barbican patch is small and I'd say "high priority" for them. client is broken, can't use it | 21:45 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:46 |
| notmyname | so it's likely theirs will land first anyway :-) | 21:46 |
| tdasilva | i *think* so | 21:46 |
| jrichli | but i guess that means we can't successfully run mathias's script currently? | 21:46 |
| notmyname | jrichli: you hear that? you're now in a race with the barbican team. go, go, go! | 21:46 |
| jrichli | lol | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | ok, let' move on | 21:47 |
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| tdasilva | jrichli: no, it fails at the very end when setting up the barbican secret, but it is not hard to fix the client manually and then create the secret manually | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | I was just looking at the openstack release dates. looks like we need a swift release by the week of august 21. that's not too far away. in part meaning that if we cut a swift release now, we'll have a fast-follow for another right before pike | 21:47 |
| notmyname | also that when we cut swiftclient, that will very very likely be what's in pike | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | does anyone else have anything to bring up in today's meeting? | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | reminder that the 0700 meeting is happening next week. thanks kota_ for chairing | 21:48 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:48 |
| kota_ | will do my best | 21:49 |
| notmyname | then it will be fantastic | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | just as an FYI, I'll be out for the first two weeks of august on a family trip. I'll have limited time online | 21:50 |
| notmyname | thank you for your work on swift this week! | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming to the meeting | 21:50 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 19 21:50:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-19-21.00.html | 21:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-19-21.00.txt | 21:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-07-19-21.00.log.html | 21:50 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks all! | 21:51 |
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