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| aspiers | morning | 09:04 |
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| samNTT | good morning | 09:05 |
| elynn_ | Hi | 09:05 |
| samNTT | Hi | 09:05 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting | 09:06 |
| openstack | aspiers: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 09:06 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 09:06:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:06 |
| aspiers | morning :) | 09:06 |
| aspiers | samNTT: but it is not morning for you, right? :) | 09:06 |
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| samNTT | yes, it 6pm here | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | ok, so good evening ;-) | 09:07 |
| samNTT | ;) good evening.. | 09:07 |
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| aspiers | elynn_: good to have you here | 09:07 |
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| aspiers | #topic design specs | 09:07 |
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| elynn_ | I'm here to listen your plans :) | 09:08 |
| aspiers | so I have finally written a new spec | 09:08 |
| aspiers | I meant to submit it yesterday but I will do that now | 09:08 |
| aspiers | it's for host monitoring | 09:08 |
| samNTT | ah.. host monitoring | 09:09 |
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| aspiers | and it is affected by the discussion I had with samNTT in Barcelona | 09:09 |
| aspiers | line 135 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha | 09:09 |
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| elynn_ | Using what for host monitoring? | 09:10 |
| aspiers | elynn_: pacemaker_remote | 09:10 |
| aspiers | elynn_: you will see the details very shortly | 09:10 |
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| aspiers | elynn_: it's basically describing what we are doing already, with a few minor changes | 09:11 |
| elynn_ | :D | 09:11 |
| aspiers | samNTT: do you need to keep the workflow -1 on your review? | 09:11 |
| aspiers | samNTT: it would be good to merge that | 09:12 |
| samNTT | sorry, I will update it soon. I have add some more info to it | 09:12 |
| aspiers | samNTT: oh ok | 09:12 |
| samNTT | I will add them adn remove WF-1 tomorrow | 09:12 |
| aspiers | cool thanks! | 09:12 |
| aspiers | next I will do libvirt and NovaCompute OCF RA specs | 09:13 |
| aspiers | I guess they can be separate specs even though they are very similar | 09:13 |
| samNTT | libvirt specs is some what same as instance monitor in masakari? | 09:14 |
| aspiers | in the host monitoring spec I have given justification for choosing pacemaker_remote | 09:14 |
| aspiers | samNTT: no, it's just an RA for libvirtd | 09:15 |
| samNTT | ha.. OK | 09:15 |
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| aspiers | samNTT: should be very simple process monitoring | 09:15 |
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| samNTT | so.. it is the process monitor for libvirtd | 09:15 |
| samNTT | aspiers: ok | 09:15 |
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| aspiers | so my hope is that the justification will preemptively answer some questions about design which people may have | 09:16 |
| aspiers | especially people who did not participate in discussions/work until now | 09:16 |
| aspiers | elynn_: are you familiar with the proposed architecture? | 09:17 |
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| elynn_ | No | 09:17 |
| elynn_ | Using pacemaker to monitor host and trigger mistral workflow when host failure? | 09:18 |
| aspiers | right | 09:18 |
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| elynn_ | Will this monitor agent monitor the VM itself? | 09:19 |
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| aspiers | no, that's a separate spec | 09:19 |
| elynn_ | ah.. okay | 09:19 |
| aspiers | it will become clear soon I hope :) | 09:19 |
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| elynn_ | I'm thinking if this monitor agent can notify senlin, I might need to see your spec for more details. | 09:20 |
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| aspiers | elynn_: the monitor agent for which? the host or processes or VMs? | 09:21 |
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| aspiers | elynn_: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha lines 115+ | 09:21 |
| aspiers | elynn_: these are the specs we are working on | 09:21 |
| elynn_ | for the hosts | 09:21 |
| aspiers | ok, yes that could certainly notify senlin | 09:22 |
| elynn_ | ok, I see | 09:22 |
| aspiers | it will just send a JSON message to an endpoint | 09:22 |
| samNTT | elynn_: if senlin can process custom notifications, then I think it could be possible | 09:23 |
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| elynn_ | That's great. | 09:23 |
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| aspiers | might it be required for the monitor to send to multiple endpoints? | 09:23 |
| aspiers | e.g. would we want to notify both senlin and masakari? | 09:24 |
| elynn_ | senlin could expose a web hook to receive notifications. | 09:24 |
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| elynn_ | For for custom notifications, we might need more investigation | 09:24 |
| samNTT | it depends, if you use senlin as recovery engine, then you dont need masakari. But if you need masakari to keep the log and handle the recovery with senline then you might need to send them to both or masakari can send it to senlin | 09:25 |
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| aspiers | that's an interesting idea - have masakari re-send the notification | 09:26 |
| elynn_ | aspiers, yes, that's a good idea. Is it hard to implemented? | 09:26 |
| samNTT | Masakari can send it senlin as we do it to mistral. But it depends on how you wants to use it | 09:26 |
| aspiers | elynn_: the notification is extremely simple | 09:26 |
| elynn_ | If masakari do the recovery, I don't think senlin needs to do it again. | 09:26 |
| aspiers | samNTT: I guess it should be a POST, right? | 09:26 |
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| samNTT | yes | 09:27 |
| aspiers | I think ddeja forgot to mention the request type in his spec | 09:27 |
| elynn_ | But I'm think after the vm recovered, who will do the software deployment on it? | 09:27 |
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| aspiers | elynn_: nova | 09:27 |
| aspiers | elynn_: it just restarts it on another host | 09:27 |
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| elynn_ | So we need a shared storage for nova, right? | 09:28 |
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| samNTT | elynn_: yes, otherwise you will not get your instance back | 09:29 |
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| samNTT | I mean you have to reconfiure it | 09:30 |
| elynn_ | that make sense. | 09:30 |
| aspiers | the only thing we cannot handle with this situation is the possibility of no fencing when it is pure cattle VMs | 09:30 |
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| aspiers | but maybe we don't need that | 09:30 |
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| aspiers | e.g. stateless HPC VMs | 09:31 |
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| elynn_ | I just wanna ask about fencing questions :) | 09:31 |
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| aspiers | in that case fencing might not be mandatory, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to avoid it | 09:31 |
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| elynn_ | maybe for cattle VMs, ignore the dead one and create a new one is enough? | 09:33 |
| aspiers | elynn_: fencing details are in the host monitoring spec so you will see very soon :) | 09:33 |
| elynn_ | cool | 09:33 |
| aspiers | elynn_: yes, ignore might be enough *technically*, but from a maintenance PoV fencing the node is probably cleaner | 09:33 |
| aspiers | sometimes fencing will restart the node which also might fix the problem | 09:34 |
| aspiers | e.g. if it was a kernel crash | 09:34 |
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| elynn_ | How do you trigger the fencing? | 09:35 |
| aspiers | Pacemaker does it | 09:35 |
| elynn_ | Hmm, good to know pacemaker can do that :) | 09:35 |
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| aspiers | yes that is one of the main reasons to use it | 09:36 |
| samNTT | you might need to fence cattle VM, when nova show VM is not there or Error but, actually it it running(/partially) on the host. | 09:36 |
| aspiers | ah ok, so in that case the fencing is to fix nova state, rather than just to fix the VM | 09:37 |
| samNTT | There are some situations that you cannot delete the crashed VMs, and ops need to clear them manually | 09:38 |
| aspiers | makes sense | 09:38 |
| aspiers | samNTT: perhaps you can add details of that to my spec after I submit it? | 09:38 |
| samNTT | aspiers: sure | 09:38 |
| aspiers | I will submit after this meeting | 09:38 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:38 |
| aspiers | do we have anything else to discuss today? | 09:39 |
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| elynn_ | I don't have one, looking forward to your spec :) | 09:40 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:40 |
| samNTT | aspiers: not form my side.. I will finish my sepcs and add reqied info to your sepcs | 09:40 |
| aspiers | btw we are using a single "instance-ha" topic for the specs | 09:40 |
| aspiers | samNTT: cool, thanks! | 09:40 |
| aspiers | elynn_: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-resource-agents-specs+branch:master+topic:instance-ha | 09:40 |
| elynn_ | aspiers, got it | 09:40 |
| aspiers | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-resource-agents-specs/tree/master/specs/newton/approved | 09:41 |
| samNTT | aspiers: thanks for fixing the topic on the vm recovery sepc | 09:41 |
| aspiers | sure :) | 09:41 |
| aspiers | alright, I guess we are done | 09:41 |
| aspiers | elynn_: thanks for attending! great to have someone from senlin team here :) | 09:41 |
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| elynn_ | Thank you all for sharing your ideas. | 09:42 |
| aspiers | elynn_: of course we are also on #openstack-ha | 09:42 |
| aspiers | elynn_: so you can find us there any time | 09:42 |
| elynn_ | I will keep an eye on this topic ;) | 09:42 |
| aspiers | in case you have more questions | 09:42 |
| samNTT | elynn_: thank you for your time looking forward have more discussions | 09:43 |
| aspiers | alright, thanks both and bye for now :) | 09:43 |
| samNTT | bye.. have a nice week ahead.. | 09:43 |
| elynn_ | bye | 09:43 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 09:43:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-11-28-09.06.html | 09:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-11-28-09.06.txt | 09:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-11-28-09.06.log.html | 09:43 |
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| astarove | hi all | 14:02 |
| andreykurilin | hi | 14:02 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 14:03:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:03 |
| amaretskiy | рш | 14:03 |
| amaretskiy | *hi | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | :) | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | let's wait several minutes | 14:03 |
| astudenov | Hi | 14:03 |
| xionchen_ | o/ | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | ok | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | let's start | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | #topic chat bot | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin | As it was introduced several meetings ago, now we have 2 channels for Rally | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | first one is #openstack-rally at Freenode | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | and second one is https://gitter.im/rally-dev/Lobby | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | Last week I finished writing a simple bot for synchronization messages between these two chats | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | so everyone can choose the most "convenient" way of communication by himself. | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | I'll continue work on this bot to add ability to show list of users for each service | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | I mean users from IRC will able to obtain information about who is in Gitter | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | and users from gitter will able to do the same | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:09 |
| chenhb__ | nice | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | Also, I'll work on joining #openstack-meeting channel(this one) and rally-dev/meeting-room at Gitter | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | I think this task will be done before next meeting:) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | Any other ideas for our inner bot? | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | kub_huang: you missed everything:) | 14:13 |
| kun_huang | :( | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | I can repeat:) | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:13 |
| kun_huang | forget to take my team here | 14:13 |
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| xionchen_ | ping kun | 14:13 |
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| kun_huang | pong | 14:14 |
| kun_huang | Im sorry guys | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | kun_huang: short log specially for you - http://xsnippet.org/362113/ :) | 14:14 |
| kun_huang | what's the advantages of gitter? | 14:15 |
| kun_huang | I have paid irccloud for a long time | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin | kun_huang: for example, gitter is free :) | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | PS: I have paid irccloud too | 14:16 |
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| andreykurilin | but I had a talk with several folks at barcelona and they dislike IRC at all | 14:16 |
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| andreykurilin | also, I heard the same opinion from inner folks | 14:17 |
| kun_huang | I thought you guys love IRC before | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:18 |
| kun_huang | popular IMs could support IRC | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | Basically, Gitter adds the same features as IRCCloud, but it also allows to create whatever you want chats and group them by "community" | 14:18 |
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| kun_huang | nice, I could try it first | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | In our case we have Rally community and 3 chats: Lobby (the main one), statuses(separate chat for gerrit messages and launchpad news in future) and meeting-room | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | the process of switching between community is simple, imho. At least better then in slack | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | kun_huang: also, gitter allows to modify messages (in terms on short period of time) to fix misspellings | 14:21 |
| kun_huang | I tried it last week, but didn't find an OpenStack group... | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | so I can name it like IRCCloud Advanced :D | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | yeah, there is no such group | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | yet | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | that is why we created Rally group | 14:22 |
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| kun_huang | pretty nice | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | Based on answers for my thread at ML, openstack community will never switch from IRC :) | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | ok, you should try our Gitter group. If it will not be good enough for you, you will able to continue usage of #openstack-rally channel. we will never abandon supporting it | 14:24 |
| kun_huang | it's not werid., they are making choice for a large team | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | actually, I do not have any other topics to discuss | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | so | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Open discussions | 14:25 |
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| kun_huang | okay, what's the status of rally as a service? | 14:25 |
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| andreykurilin | heh. Currently, we do not have enough resources for implementation. amaretskiy started a PoC, let me find it | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | there are several patches for review | 14:26 |
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| andreykurilin | kun_huang: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336636/ | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336636/12 | 14:27 |
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| amaretskiy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369412/ <-- first step | 14:27 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: I posted first link quicker :) | 14:27 |
| andreykurilin | :P | 14:27 |
| kun_huang | thanks guys, @xionchen_ pls take a look on those designs | 14:27 |
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| xionchen_ | got it | 14:28 |
| kun_huang | from reading, thinking and doing reviews | 14:28 |
| xionchen_ | ok :) | 14:28 |
| kun_huang | of crouse, including contributing | 14:28 |
| kun_huang | andreykurilin: btw, is this feature the top one thing in this release? | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | unfortunately, no | 14:29 |
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| kun_huang | I found some refactor jobs in trello | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | yup | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | we restore our trello board | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://trello.com/b/DoD8aeZy/rally | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | currently we have only three critical for release features | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | 1) atomic action redesign - support for inner atomics | 14:31 |
| andreykurilin | 2) verification component redesign - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372334/ | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | 3) keystone v3 whole support - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394583/ | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | RaaS is not there since amaretskiy, unfortunately, does not have enough time now | 14:32 |
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| kun_huang | got it | 14:33 |
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| kun_huang | hai_shi_ and I would do some contribution, but I should talk to him first | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | cool | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | so raas is still high priority feature for us, but based on its status and progress, it is not a blocker now | 14:35 |
| kun_huang | anyone has been working these three tasks? | 14:35 |
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| andreykurilin | task #3 is almost done. it needs just simple fix | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | task #2 ylobankov and I are working on it. I think we will finish with it in several weeks | 14:36 |
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| andreykurilin | task #1 amaretkiy has a bit of time now, so he started it | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | kun_huang: also, there is one more task a bit related to RaaS | 14:37 |
| kun_huang | hai_shi_: ping | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | finishing refactor of cleanup | 14:37 |
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| hai_shi_ | yep | 14:37 |
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| andreykurilin | unfortunately, stpierre doesn't have time for it, but this work is high priority and needs just final patches | 14:38 |
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| andreykurilin | so I think he will not against somebody will take it | 14:38 |
| kun_huang | hai_shi_: would you like finish the last shot on the refactor of cleanup? | 14:39 |
| hai_shi_ | kun_huang:yep, I cloud try it. | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | cool | 14:40 |
| kun_huang | andreykurilin: my team is working on CI and automation, and have more or less experience on testing or performance | 14:40 |
| kun_huang | andreykurilin: I would help them to join community | 14:40 |
| kun_huang | do reviews for them/us | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | really cool | 14:41 |
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| kun_huang | so I have three to-do list: | 14:41 |
| kun_huang | 1) RaaS 2) refactor of cleanup 3) some work on your top 3 tasks | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | so, please join our trello board (https://trello.com/b/DoD8aeZy/rally). invitation link https://trello.com/invite/b/DoD8aeZy/d621d22acf2aedee8a3bf55a5ff1df95/rally . I'll try to add more task there with nice description | 14:43 |
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| kun_huang | the number 4: trying gitter :) | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | heh | 14:43 |
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| andreykurilin | kun_huang hai_shi_: https://trello.com/c/wheJgDun/249-cleanup-remove-only-those-resources-which-were-created-by-rally . I'll add a description in several hours | 14:43 |
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| kun_huang | thanks | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | Anything else to discuss ? | 14:45 |
| kun_huang | any thoughts? hai_shi_ xionchen_ | 14:45 |
| xionchen_ | I need to take a look at reviews at first | 14:45 |
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| xionchen_ | before giving some thoughts | 14:46 |
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| kun_huang | one more thing | 14:47 |
| kun_huang | we are using an old version openstack, just move on mitaka from juno | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | oh.. | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | ) | 14:47 |
| kun_huang | we need describe the ability to each version openstack of rally | 14:48 |
| andreykurilin | kun_huang: so we have a plan for this :) | 14:48 |
| xionchen_ | So am I going to concentrate on Raas related things at first? | 14:48 |
| kun_huang | at least, it need more jobs to verify this ability | 14:48 |
| andreykurilin | kun_huang: I'm not against additional jobs. | 14:49 |
| kun_huang | jobs -> ansible jobs in community infra | 14:49 |
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| kun_huang | xionchen_: take a look at the design first | 14:49 |
| xionchen_ | all right | 14:49 |
| kun_huang | andreykurilin: we need more work on rally to help people find and resolve problems | 14:50 |
| andreykurilin | kun_huang: long-term plans: so first of all, we need to finish refactoring of validation mechanism to be able to use validators for all kind of plugins. after it will be done, I want to move all openstack plugins to separate repo and andd stable branches there | 14:51 |
| xionchen_ | do you mean some thing like adding some jobs for rally as experimental pipeline? | 14:51 |
| kun_huang | good idea on "stable branches" | 14:51 |
| kun_huang | xionchen_: voting check/gate jobs | 14:51 |
| xionchen_ | to rally? | 14:52 |
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| kun_huang | or periodical jobs | 14:52 |
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| kun_huang | xionchen_: it should be, but I don't have more details now | 14:53 |
| xionchen_ | all right | 14:53 |
| andreykurilin | kun_huang: I'm ok about periodic jobs for all stable openstack branches | 14:54 |
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| kun_huang | andreykurilin: thanks a lot | 14:55 |
| andreykurilin | anything else to discuss ? | 14:55 |
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| kun_huang | it's 11 pm in China now, I will talk with xionchen_ hai_shi_ about details tommorrow | 14:55 |
| kun_huang | and they will say hi to you tommorrow | 14:56 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:56 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:56 |
| kun_huang | no more topics from me ;) | 14:56 |
| andreykurilin | btw, there was a talk at summit | 14:56 |
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| andreykurilin | topic "making our meeting similar to Nova - one week meeting in one timezone and next week in another timezone" | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | we can discuss this topic next week | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | and maybe find more suitable time for you and your team | 14:57 |
| kun_huang | no problem | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | ok, let's finish | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | thanks for participation | 14:57 |
| xionchen_ | ok,bye | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | bye! | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| xionchen_ | thx you 2 | 14:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 14:58:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-28-14.03.html | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-28-14.03.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-28-14.03.log.html | 14:58 |
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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 15:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| lennyb | Hello everybody | 15:01 |
| asselin | hi | 15:01 |
| lennyb | hi asselin, how are you? | 15:01 |
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| asselin | back from vacation. I'm good :) | 15:01 |
| asselin | yourself? | 15:01 |
| lennyb | waiting for a one :) | 15:02 |
| lennyb | asselin, anything you want to discuss today? | 15:02 |
| asselin | lennyb, nothing in particular | 15:03 |
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| lennyb | asselin, me neither. Let's wait for awhile, maybe someone will appear. Where were you on your vacation? | 15:03 |
| asselin | went to visit san luis obispo (califoria central coast) | 15:04 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 15:04 |
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| lennyb | images of this place are very beautiful | 15:05 |
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| asselin | we were lucky. good weather everyday until our return day. | 15:05 |
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| lennyb | nice. I had a weekend in Bratislava 2 weeks ago, it was rainy but very tasty. | 15:07 |
| watanabe_isao | hello, happy holiday. :) Im still working. :( | 15:07 |
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| asselin | hi watanabe_isao | 15:07 |
| watanabe_isao | hi | 15:07 |
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| lennyb | hello watanabe_isao | 15:08 |
| watanabe_isao | using APP so typing is slow. | 15:08 |
| watanabe_isao | hello lennyb. | 15:08 |
| lennyb | watanabe_isao, anything you would like to discus today? | 15:08 |
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| watanabe_isao | no, just coming say hello. | 15:09 |
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| lennyb | If there is nothing to discuss I will close a meeting in 5 mins. Thanks for being here. | 15:10 |
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| mmedvede | just a quick announcement | 15:12 |
| mmedvede | Wed wg meeting (17:00) is removed from calendar | 15:12 |
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| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401352/ | 15:12 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, thanks. | 15:12 |
| asselin | thanks mmedvede | 15:12 |
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| watanabe_isao | so this meeting becomes the only one 3rd party ci related meeting? | 15:14 |
| lennyb | watanabe_isao, yes. | 15:14 |
| watanabe_isao | got it. thank you. | 15:14 |
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| lennyb | If there are no regrets I will close the meeting. mmedvede, asselin, watanabe_isao thanks. | 15:18 |
| asselin | thanks lennyb | 15:18 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 15:18 |
| watanabe_isao | thanks you lennyb. | 15:18 |
| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 15:19:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-28-15.00.html | 15:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-28-15.00.txt | 15:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-28-15.00.log.html | 15:19 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 16:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| ddeja | o/ | 16:00 |
| d0ugal | Hey | 16:00 |
| sharatss | hi | 16:00 |
| rbrady | o/ | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review action items | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov: look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383617/ | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | I did look at it but since then some other comments were left | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll look again | 16:03 |
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| d0ugal | so this means every retry will try once more than before? | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | well, there's a bug now in retry policy | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | it doesn't run at all if count is 1 | 16:04 |
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| d0ugal | Right | 16:04 |
| d0ugal | Just checking I understand ddeja's comment | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | so what we need to do is to make it run exactly "count" number of times | 16:04 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: d0ugal previously the first try was considered as retry. but this patch ignores the first unsuccessful run | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | excluding normal initial execution | 16:05 |
| d0ugal | Yup, makes sense to me. I think the change is fine. | 16:05 |
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| d0ugal | I had assumed it was already doing this :) | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | sharatss: I don't understand what you mean by first "try" ? | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | initial task execution? | 16:06 |
| d0ugal | yes, I think so | 16:06 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, i mean the initial execution | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, then it's wrong | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | retry is a retry, it works only after initial run | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: assuming this, do you think the current patch is ok? | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, this changes the current behavior, but there's a bug in the current behavior | 16:07 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: IMO it is OK | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
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| d0ugal | This patch will make the documentation correct too | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: then please vote again if it's ok for you | 16:09 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: the only remaining is failing dsvm gates | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | or may be you have some other comments | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | is it also related to this change? | 16:09 |
| ddeja | I'd like to look on it before voting | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | yes, sure | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | of course | 16:09 |
| ddeja | I don't quite remember, but I'd like to be 100% sure | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | right | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's move on | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | I've almost finished fixing launching process and refactoring life-cycle of mistral services | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402392/ | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | a little bit stuck with fixing tests, I found a problem today with threads, I think I'll fix it tomorrow | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | but it's mainly fixed | 16:11 |
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| d0ugal | I have been looking into a couple of bugs related that have came up. One with custom actions and the Result class and one now to do with workflow names in workbooks | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | IMO, this was quite important to do because I realized that this aspect of the system was messed up completely | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | and hard to maintain | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | and it had a number of bugs | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: did you find the root cause of that Result(error=..) problem? | 16:13 |
| d0ugal | I had a look at the patch, but found it hard to review :) | 16:13 |
| ddeja | My status: Done more reviews than in a past few weeks. And I'm looking forward to see the new tasks function to check if it suits my 'preconditions' use case | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: you mean my patch? | 16:13 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: yeah, your patch :) it is just quite big and complicated. | 16:13 |
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| d0ugal | and I am not that familiar with some of the code it changes | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, it's a bit tricky but I had to make it one patch | 16:13 |
| d0ugal | sure | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | because it's all entangled | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I can provide any explanations | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | in IRC | 16:14 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: okay, I'll look again tomorrow and maybe ask questions. | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | it's just impossible to squeeze everything in the commit message | 16:14 |
| d0ugal | thanks! | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, ok | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, sorry, I know it's not easy | 16:14 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I didn't finish tracking down the Result(error=... issue. I got distracted as one of the tripleo devs tried to create a workflow with "version" in the name :-) | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | I'll explain | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: btw, I actually still have some questions on RPC | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: we can discuss it separately tomorrow | 16:15 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: no problem, I'll try to wake up erilier | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | I just noticed several things that I think we need to fix/improve | 16:15 |
| ddeja | OK | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, just don't play Civ 5 :) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | tonight ) | 16:16 |
| * d0ugal recently bought civ 6 | 16:16 | |
| ddeja | :V | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | gamers are everywhere | 16:16 |
| d0ugal | Otherwise I spoke briefly with rbrady about the custom actions spec. He started to refresh his memory of it all... | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: any updates from you? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: ? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: I looked at the i18n BP, approved it | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | looks ok | 16:17 |
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| rbrady | I looked at our previous conversation and started looking at the code again | 16:17 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, not much this week. not well :( | 16:17 |
| rbrady | our previous conversation: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-08-22-16.01.log.txt | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: don't be so shy, I see you're commiting a lot | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: ok | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | is it a good time now to discuss this all again? | 16:18 |
| rbrady | where we stopped is where we looked at some methods that needed internal access to database info | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | or you'd like to refresh it more? | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | we can leave it till the next meeting | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | but let's try to prepare better | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | (me too) | 16:18 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, haha :) actually i was on leave last week. So, didnt feel i was working :P | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: ooh, you mean in mistral-lib, right? | 16:19 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: that's fine. It might give me more time to work out a proposal for moving forward | 16:19 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: yes | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | what's an example of why we need to get something from DB? | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | I just don't remember | 16:20 |
| d0ugal | mistral context? | 16:20 |
| rbrady | https://github.com/openstack/mistral-lib/blob/master/mistral_lib/actions/api/execution.py | 16:20 |
| rbrady | getting the action_execution_id | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, no-no | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | I think this part should as follows: all of that is only a contextual information and it should be provided to executor in advance (over RPC) | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | we shouldn't be able to get an arbitrary execution object from DB | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | only those objects that are related to the current action that we're processing | 16:22 |
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| rbrady | then we'll need to make sure we are adding all of that information to the context (if it's missing) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | and these are simply helper methods to extract that info so that we don't have to pass that stuff as action params (and thus polluting method signature) | 16:22 |
| rbrady | and just use that pattern for all data you want made available to custom actions | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: yes, right | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | that's what I was thinking, yes | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | all that is in mistral-lib should be kinda primitive, all needed contextual info should be provided from the engine | 16:23 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: okay. I'll take some time to update the patch this week following that idea and identify possible context changes | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, ok | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | my other concern though is that we might have problems with code dependencies, we need to be wise on what should stay in mistral and what should migrate to mistral-lib | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, 'mistral' will depend on 'mistral-lib', right? | 16:25 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: yes | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | good | 16:25 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:26 |
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| rbrady | rahkmerov: IIUC, mistral_lib should be small and contain types and/or expections and a minimum of utility methods required for action development | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:26 |
| d0ugal | and maybe yaql/jinja2 function development? | 16:26 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: then mistral and mistra_extra will depend on those features there | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | exactly | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: in case of functions it's more tricky though | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: okay, we can do that later :) | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | because they really need DB access | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:27 |
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| d0ugal | something to think about | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | honestly, I don't have a clear picture in mind now | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | as far as functions | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | may be we're missing something here.. | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | I would like to move functions to mistral-lib too, but don't know how yet | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | the other problem with functions is that ideally they should not be able to use internal DB API at all | 16:29 |
| rbrady | rahkmerov: maybe after dealing with actions we can apply what we've learned to dealing with the functions | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | it seems weird if anyone would be able to use our internal DB API when writing those functions | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | because it wouldn't be just an internal API anymore | 16:29 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, I would suggest we focus on custom actions for now | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: yes, I think the first iteration could be actions | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | but functions should be an eventual goal | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | but I think it makes sense to keep that all experimental until we at least have understanding of how to deal with functions | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | Yeah | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, rbrady: maybe the right way to provide a number of functions with DB access in 'mistral' repo itself | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | and deny to use DB API for everyone else | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | so that we declare that: ok, we have a number of useful functions that can help you access all DB objects (workflows, actions, tasks etc.) but if you'd like to write your own function you can't use DB | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | or may be they should be able to reuse those existing functions somehow | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, that seems reasonable | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | if they want to get some objects from DB | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I'm just brainstorming now | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | but lets worry about it later :) | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we need to remember this idea | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | it seems pretty reasonable to me too | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | #info Custom functions (jinja/yaql) that need DB access could re-use built-in functions like executions(), tasks() etc. | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | in fact, we've been discussing the next topic in the agenda | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | but ok | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady, d0ugal: let's try to speed it up somehow, I'll participate too in a week or two | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | once I fix a number of other pretty urgent things | 16:35 |
| d0ugal | Great | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | this is one of my top priorities to deal with actions | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | anything else? | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: what are you planning to work next? | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | i18n? | 16:37 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, i have started to work on client docs | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, that's good | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as i18n, what's the reason you decided to work on it? | 16:38 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: You wanted to talk about the version name thing - did you see my discussion with rakhmerov in #openstack-mistral? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | do you see it as an important thing? | 16:38 |
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| ddeja | d0ugal: yes, I saw it | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, ddeja: yeah, I agree with you conclusions, I'm pretty sure this is a bug | 16:38 |
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| ddeja | and I guess there is nothing else to discuss in this matter | 16:39 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, i have one of my colleague who used i18n for some other thing. was quite interesting | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: cool, I agree. just wanted to check | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | but I didn't understand yet why we need that regex, it seems really weird to me | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: I just need to figure out the fix :) | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: +1 | 16:39 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I am reading code to try and figure that out now :) | 16:39 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, it will be good if we can support multiple languages in Mistral too | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: yes, I just didn't realize it was so important, we have so many other things to do :) | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, good | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | this piece was written by Nikolay Makhotkin | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | I can try to reach out to him if needed | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | but he is not in OpenStack anymore :( | 16:40 |
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| sharatss | rakhmerov, its not my priority though. I will be working on the client BP (debug one) | 16:40 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: oh, I saw him doing some reviews in Ocata cycle... | 16:40 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, will try to get it done by next week | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: yeah, IMO that's more important | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I would postpone i18n for a little bit | 16:41 |
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| sharatss | rakhmerov, hmm... i will ask you some queries tomorrow regarding cli docs as well | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, but AFAIK he is about to find a new job and I don't know if he will be able to contribute into Mistral | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | it would be cool, but life is life | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: sure | 16:42 |
| ddeja | oh I see | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, he is not at Mirantis anymore | 16:43 |
| sharatss | now gate jobs are passing right? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: you mean mysql? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | or something else? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: btw, thanks for fixing mysql gate | 16:43 |
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| d0ugal | +1 | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | now we are more protected :) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, gentlemen, question | 16:44 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, i hate seeing something in red in the jenkins column :))\ | 16:44 |
| d0ugal | I still need to do something with the devstack check | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | Why the f... do we have to make our unit tests work with sqlite? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | does anybody know? | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | I know it was a strict requirement but not sure if it's still true | 16:45 |
| d0ugal | Because it is easier for people to run them with sqlite? | 16:45 |
| sharatss | d0ugal: err.. only one test fails in the devstack check :( | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: we're aware of some issues, once in a while they appear | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | for example, d0ugal is about to fix devstack-dsvm | 16:45 |
| d0ugal | "about to" | 16:45 |
| d0ugal | hah | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | I believe in you :) | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, as far as sqlite, for me it's a great pain | 16:46 |
| * d0ugal takes note to look into it tomorrow | 16:46 | |
| sharatss | rakhmerov, yes. those come because of some commit in some other project :( that's the irritating part | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | I would love to get rid of sqlite support completely | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | for many many reasons | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | which I can tell about separately | 16:46 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: maybe we can ask with [all] on openstack-dev to see if we can drop sqlite support? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | but I don't know what community thinks now | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: good idea ) | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | I definitely need to use ML more actively | 16:47 |
| d0ugal | I have no idea how people will react | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | once in a while I have such questions and for some reason I don't feel like writing to ML | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | but that's ok, it's a good think to ask | 16:48 |
| d0ugal | it is hard to keep up with openstack-dev | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: write an email to ML about sqlite support | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | true | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I don't have anything else for today | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | how about you? | 16:49 |
| d0ugal | Nothing else from me | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | sharatss, rbrady? | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: ? | 16:49 |
| d0ugal | oh, actually, did you make any progress with the alternate meeting? or are we meeting at this time again next week? | 16:49 |
| rbrady | nothing from me | 16:49 |
| ddeja | nothing from my side | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: nope, I wasn't able to catch kong yet | 16:49 |
| sharatss | nothing from me too | 16:49 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: okay, so this time again next week? | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | although he was supposed to come back from vacation (may be I confused the dates) | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, same time for now | 16:50 |
| d0ugal | k, thanks | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks for joining | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | bye everyone and have a wonderful week | 16:50 |
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| sharatss | thank you :) | 16:51 |
| ddeja | thanks, bye | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 16:51:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-11-28-16.00.html | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-11-28-16.00.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-11-28-16.00.log.html | 16:51 |
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| * armax wonders if there | 20:58 | |
| armax | is enough left in the team to have a team meeting | 20:58 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:58 |
| Sukhdev | o/ | 20:58 |
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| haleyb | enough turkey you mean? :) | 20:59 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: you gonna start this thing or what? | 20:59 |
| armax | haleyb: my leftovers finished a while ago! | 20:59 |
| njohnston | aye aye cap'n | 20:59 |
| kevinbenton | armax: that means you didn't make enough :) | 21:00 |
| armax | kevinbenton: it’s not time yet | 21:00 |
| haleyb | armax: i'll send some west | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 21:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| armax | haleyb: thanks, appreciate it | 21:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 21:00 |
| hichihara | o/ | 21:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:00 |
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| HenryG | o/ | 21:01 |
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| kevinbenton | \o | 21:01 |
| armax | hello everyone | 21:01 |
| dasanind_ | hi | 21:01 |
| armax | let’s dive in | 21:01 |
| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
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| armax | I have a couple of things newsworthy | 21:02 |
| armax | #link there’s a thread started on the ML about including vendor-specific driver code into the big tent | 21:02 |
| armax | #undo | 21:02 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7fbb93dcd110> | 21:02 |
| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/108074.html | 21:02 |
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| armax | if you work for an employer that has such repos, I’d suggest you stay plugged in the conversations | 21:03 |
| armax | that are gonna spur from that thread | 21:03 |
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| Sukhdev | armax : thank for sharing - I had missed that | 21:04 |
| armax | otherwise you might wake up one day and find out that the world around you has changed | 21:04 |
| armax | Sukhdev: it’s fresh, I am sure you would have caught up to it | 21:04 |
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| dasm | o/ | 21:04 |
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| armax | another announcement I wanted to make is related to core team attrition | 21:05 |
| armax | most of you might have noticed by now that we’ve had a number of folks stepping down | 21:05 |
| dasm | :( | 21:05 |
| hichihara | ;( | 21:06 |
| armax | carl_baldwin, HenryG and amuller most recently | 21:06 |
| electrocucaracha | :( | 21:06 |
| HenryG | don't forget dougwig | 21:06 |
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| armax | HenryG: he’s still core | 21:06 |
| armax | he’s stepped down from the drivers team | 21:07 |
| armax | at least that’s what I have heard :) | 21:07 |
| armax | anyhoo | 21:07 |
| armax | dougwig too has taken somewhat of a backseat | 21:07 |
| sc68cal | last one out turn off the lights | 21:07 |
| armax | I have invited these folks to advise me and the team to identify whom have worked closely with them and that they feel they can step in and replace them | 21:07 |
| dougwig | o/ | 21:07 |
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| armax | ultimately nominating people’s replacements is something that has to find the nominee agreeing in taking on more responsibility | 21:08 |
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| armax | in the core of neutron | 21:09 |
| armax | and neutron-lib as well | 21:09 |
| armax | while this gets figured out, if you are an existing core, please try to make up for the loss of review bandwidth if you can | 21:10 |
| hichihara | :) | 21:10 |
| armax | please don’t forget the current backlog | 21:10 |
| armax | and the dashboard that should help us keep a focussed review attention | 21:11 |
| armax | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 21:11 |
| armax | top link | 21:11 |
| kevinbenton | i think we have several people ready to be cores soon so it's not the end of the world yet :) | 21:11 |
| Sukhdev | If somebody helps coach me, I could help out | 21:12 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I never thought we had reached the end of the world | 21:12 |
| armax | kevinbenton: even when the US elections were over | 21:12 |
| armax | but I digres | 21:12 |
| armax | s | 21:12 |
| kevinbenton | armax: based on how you always talk i assume you think it's the end of the world :P | 21:12 |
| Sukhdev | :-) | 21:12 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: ok | 21:13 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: don’t quite know how to understand your comment | 21:13 |
| armax | let’s move on, unless someone has any other announcement he/she will like to make | 21:14 |
| Sukhdev | armax : he is being sarcastic - just ignore him :-) | 21:14 |
| mlavalle | Remind the team about the PTG | 21:14 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 21:14 |
| mlavalle | Registration is open | 21:14 |
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| Sukhdev | I heard it is limited to 500 people only | 21:15 |
| armax | mlavalle: thanks | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | can that thing sell out? | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | :/ | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | well that's annoying | 21:15 |
| dasm | kevinbenton: good question. do we have any limits, time cap? | 21:15 |
| dasm | ok, see 500 people. | 21:15 |
| Sukhdev | I was told in another meeting that 500 was the limit | 21:15 |
| Sukhdev | in fact, when you register, it tells you how many seats are left | 21:16 |
| armax | 348 now | 21:16 |
| johnsom | There are still ~348 seats open per the above page | 21:16 |
| dasm | armax: thanks | 21:16 |
| dasm | johnsom: thx | 21:16 |
| armax | it’s also no longer free for ATCs | 21:16 |
| Sukhdev | that kinda sucks :-0 | 21:16 |
| armax | though the fee is modest and set to $100 | 21:16 |
| electrocucaracha | but you can transfer your registration right? | 21:17 |
| Sukhdev | electrocucaracha : yes, and it is refundable | 21:17 |
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| mlavalle | Sukhdev: that's good news | 21:18 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle : I only deliver good news - bad news comes from armax :):-) | 21:18 |
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| armax | ok, anything else to remind? | 21:18 |
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| armax | if this negativity keeps getting at me, I am gonna have to step down too | 21:18 |
| armax | :) | 21:18 |
| armax | I am clearly the bad mojo to the project | 21:19 |
| Sukhdev | armax : I was kidding - sorry :-) | 21:19 |
| mlavalle | armax: you are clearly not :-) | 21:19 |
| armax | Sukhdev: no offence taken | 21:19 |
| Sukhdev | armax : you are the force, sir!!! | 21:19 |
| armax | #topic blueprints | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:19 | |
| armax | Sukhdev: here’s one more | 21:19 |
| armax | we have laguished as far as completing blueprints and reviewing RFEs | 21:20 |
| armax | we are in Ocata 2, with 3 weeks to Christmas | 21:20 |
| armax | don’t forget that FF is a month earlier this cycle | 21:20 |
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| armax | at the pace we are going we might as well close 0 blueprints this cycle | 21:21 |
| armax | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/ocata-2 | 21:21 |
| armax | if you are an assignee and/or an approver of any of the targeted blueprint/rfe please be proactive and help identify any blocker | 21:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: people have been working on things... | 21:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i'm sure we'll get something | 21:22 |
| armax | in case the person you’re supposed to work with is either moved on or swamped | 21:22 |
| boden | armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308973/ I think amuller was supposed to help drive this… I beleive you recently said he was moving away from neutron | 21:23 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I am gonna have to set a gloomy picture on everything I say, otherwise how am I gonna get a bad reputation? | 21:23 |
| armax | boden: correct, I asked amuller to reach out to you | 21:23 |
| armax | boden: has he done that/ | 21:23 |
| armax | ? | 21:23 |
| boden | armax: not that I know of | 21:23 |
| armax | ok, today it’s just Monday after a binge weekend | 21:23 |
| armax | I’d suggest to reach out to him instead, but he’s the approver for that blueprint and I hope he’ll help identify the fate of that effort | 21:24 |
| boden | armax: ack | 21:24 |
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| armax | as far as the OVO/no API downtime effort, I see no patches being flagged on the team meeting page | 21:26 |
| armax | anyone has anything to share? | 21:26 |
| armax | #topic OVO/no API downtime? | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OVO/no API downtime? (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:26 | |
| mlavalle | maybe electrocucaracha can provide status? | 21:26 |
| electrocucaracha | haha maybe, thanks mlavalle | 21:27 |
| electrocucaracha | we have some progress on OVO classes that don't have too much dependencies | 21:28 |
| armax | electrocucaracha: you have links to patches that are close to landing? | 21:28 |
| electrocucaracha | jschwarz is working on grenade jobs | 21:28 |
| electrocucaracha | armax: I have an updated spreadsheet | 21:28 |
| electrocucaracha | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 | 21:29 |
| armax | electrocucaracha: thanks | 21:29 |
| armax | electrocucaracha: one thing that would be nice is to provide a filter so that patches can be sorted in term of ‘readiness’ | 21:30 |
| electrocucaracha | Ihar has made special emphasis on taking a look of the plan https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386685/ | 21:30 |
| electrocucaracha | armax: I can include something there | 21:31 |
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| armax | electrocucaracha: if nothing else, to identify more easily what to review first, if it makes sense | 21:31 |
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| armax | ok, if there’s nothing else, let’s move to the next item in the agenda | 21:32 |
| armax | #topic Bugs and Gate issues | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs and Gate issues (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:33 | |
| armax | don’t forget of the looming switch to xenial as default node for newton+ | 21:33 |
| armax | so please think about the CI jobs for the repos you fancy | 21:34 |
| armax | and help out with the switch | 21:34 |
| armax | in neutron/neutron-lib we have nearly completed the switch | 21:34 |
| armax | there are a few CI jobs that needs switching for the python-neutronclient repo | 21:35 |
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| johnsom | I am working on LBaaS, FYI | 21:36 |
| njohnston | I'll take a look for FWaaS | 21:36 |
| kevinbenton | how are we doing with the gate failure rates? | 21:36 |
| armax | kevinbenton: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 21:36 |
| armax | kevinbenton: things may be skewed by the fact that we had a not so busy time recently | 21:37 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: ack | 21:37 |
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| armax | my gut tells me that something has caused a recent spikes in failures for grenade and multinode jobs | 21:38 |
| armax | but it’s on speculations at this point, I have no hard data to back my claim up | 21:39 |
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| armax | we have a deputy of this week, we’d need a deputy for next week | 21:39 |
| armax | starting Monday 5th | 21:39 |
| armax | any takers? | 21:39 |
| mlavalle | I can do it next week | 21:40 |
| haleyb | i can volunteer | 21:40 |
| haleyb | doh | 21:40 |
| armax | mlavalle: goes first | 21:40 |
| armax | haleyb: you ok with Dec 12? | 21:40 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: I can switch if that fits you | 21:40 |
| haleyb | armax: should be fine, just out starting 16th | 21:41 |
| mlavalle | ok | 21:41 |
| armax | k | 21:41 |
| armax | #action mlavalle and haleyb deputies for the weeks of 12/05 and 12/12 | 21:41 |
| armax | thanks guys | 21:41 |
| kevinbenton | there weren't any showstopper bugs last week | 21:42 |
| armax | next topic | 21:42 |
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| armax | they were eating turkey too I guess | 21:42 |
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| mlavalle | and stuffing | 21:42 |
| armax | #topic Docs | 21:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:42 | |
| armax | I believe newton branch has been cut for docs | 21:43 |
| armax | not sure how and if any docs changes in flight can be backported | 21:43 |
| armax | it’d be good to find out | 21:43 |
| armax | looks like tehre’s nothing pressing to talk about docs | 21:44 |
| armax | moving on | 21:44 |
| armax | #topic OSC transition | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSC transition (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:44 | |
| armax | amotoki has not been around lately and he was the one particularly active on neutronclient | 21:45 |
| armax | helping with reviews etc | 21:45 |
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| armax | anyone has spare cycles to help out on this front? | 21:45 |
| armax | o.k. | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | reviews or code? | 21:46 |
| armax | kevinbenton: reviews | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | i can do some reviews | 21:46 |
| kevinbenton | is there a topic to look for? | 21:46 |
| armax | not that I know of | 21:46 |
| armax | but there’s a blueprint | 21:46 |
| armax | and if that’s referenced in the patches, you should look for | 21:47 |
| electrocucaracha | afaik they have a etherpad for that | 21:47 |
| armax | sorry | 21:47 |
| armax | I mean bug 1521291 | 21:47 |
| openstack | bug 1521291 in neutron "[RFE] Transition neutron CLI from python-neutronclient to python-openstackclient" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1521291 - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki) | 21:47 |
| mlavalle | armax: I will also take a look | 21:47 |
| hichihara | I can help too. | 21:47 |
| armax | bear in mind that python-neutronclient CLI development is froken from now on | 21:48 |
| dasm | freaken? | 21:48 |
| dasm | freakin? | 21:48 |
| dasm | or frozen? | 21:48 |
| armax | frozen | 21:48 |
| armax | so patches/bugs etc should target either the API client or existing CLI functionality or a translation to OSC CLIs commands | 21:49 |
| dasanind_ | armax: etherpads for osc https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-neutron-support https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-network-command-sdk-support | 21:49 |
| armax | dasanind_: thanks! | 21:49 |
| armax | ok, moving on | 21:50 |
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| armax | #topic Neutron-lib and planned neutron refactoring | 21:50 |
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| armax | boden has a change out that is documenting how the development workflow for neutron-lib takes place | 21:51 |
| boden | it landed already.. #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lib/blob/master/doc/source/contributing.rst | 21:51 |
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| armax | one of the things highlighted in that document is the introduction of a tag ‘NeutronLibImpact’ we’re gonna be using to capture any patch in flight that may have an effect on neutron and its repos | 21:52 |
| armax | boden: thanks | 21:52 |
| armax | so it’s easy to have a view of what’s about to land | 21:52 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%22 | 21:52 |
| armax | or landed | 21:52 |
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| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+message:%22NeutronLibImpact%22 | 21:52 |
| armax | we need to be particularly careful at landing code in an orderly fashion | 21:53 |
| armax | because if we land two breaking changes at once we end up causing a jam in our gates | 21:53 |
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| armax | last week I reverted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402155/ | 21:54 |
| armax | well | 21:54 |
| kevinbenton | hopefully it gets better the more we rip out | 21:55 |
| armax | I issued revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401377/ | 21:55 |
| armax | to unjam the situatiion | 21:55 |
| armax | and since that landed I am hoping we can reland 402155 | 21:55 |
| armax | kevinbenton: yes, I think there’s gonna be some interim pain for long term gain | 21:56 |
| armax | HenryG: what do you rather land this week? | 21:56 |
| armax | from least impactful to most impactful? | 21:57 |
| armax | PLURALS eviction ‘seem’s the least impactful | 21:57 |
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| armax | btw | 21:58 |
| armax | we’re 2 minutes to the top of the hour, we’ll have to skip the open discussion section | 21:58 |
| mlavalle | armax: haleyb and I are switching our bug deputies weeks | 21:59 |
| armax | mlavalle: ok | 21:59 |
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| electrocucaracha | well, I was just think about the impact of OSC transition on documentation, e. g. http://docs.openstack.org/newton/networking-guide | 21:59 |
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| armax | as for the libimpact changes, my suggestion would be to go slow for now and try to space out the merging on changes that may have an impact | 21:59 |
| armax | to ensure we don’t have too much on our plate at any given time | 22:00 |
| armax | gotta free up the slot | 22:00 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 22:00:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| njohnston | thanks all | 22:00 |
| armax | thanks everyone! | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-11-28-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-11-28-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| armax | goodbye | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-11-28-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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