14:03:07 <andreykurilin> #startmeeting Rally
14:03:08 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Nov 28 14:03:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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14:03:12 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'rally'
14:03:13 <amaretskiy> рш
14:03:17 <amaretskiy> *hi
14:03:20 <andreykurilin> :)
14:03:31 <andreykurilin> let's wait several minutes
14:03:37 <astudenov> Hi
14:03:50 <xionchen_> o/
14:05:38 <andreykurilin> ok
14:05:40 <andreykurilin> let's start
14:05:53 <andreykurilin> #topic chat bot
14:06:32 <andreykurilin> As it was introduced several meetings ago, now we have 2 channels for Rally
14:06:41 <andreykurilin> first one is #openstack-rally at Freenode
14:06:52 <andreykurilin> and second one is https://gitter.im/rally-dev/Lobby
14:07:27 <andreykurilin> Last week I finished writing a simple bot for synchronization messages between these two chats
14:07:54 <andreykurilin> so everyone can choose the most "convenient" way of communication by himself.
14:08:53 <andreykurilin> I'll continue work on this bot to add ability to show list of users for each service
14:09:22 <andreykurilin> I mean users from IRC will able to obtain information about who is in Gitter
14:09:33 <andreykurilin> and users from gitter will able to do the same
14:09:34 <andreykurilin> :)
14:10:08 <chenhb__> nice
14:10:27 <andreykurilin> Also, I'll work on joining #openstack-meeting channel(this one) and rally-dev/meeting-room at Gitter
14:10:53 <andreykurilin> I think this task will be done before next meeting:)
14:11:08 <andreykurilin> Any other ideas for our inner bot?
14:11:51 <andreykurilin> ok
14:13:10 <andreykurilin> kub_huang: you missed everything:)
14:13:33 <kun_huang> :(
14:13:39 <andreykurilin> I can repeat:)
14:13:40 <andreykurilin> lol
14:13:41 <kun_huang> forget to take my team here
14:13:57 <xionchen_> ping kun
14:14:05 <kun_huang> pong
14:14:11 <kun_huang> Im sorry guys
14:14:53 <andreykurilin> kun_huang: short log specially for you  - http://xsnippet.org/362113/ :)
14:15:40 <kun_huang> what's the advantages of gitter?
14:15:51 <kun_huang> I have paid irccloud for a long time
14:16:07 <andreykurilin> kun_huang: for example, gitter is free :)
14:16:17 <andreykurilin> PS: I have paid irccloud too
14:16:48 <andreykurilin> but I had a talk with several folks at barcelona and they dislike IRC at all
14:17:12 <andreykurilin> also, I heard the same opinion from inner folks
14:18:02 <kun_huang> I thought you guys love IRC before
14:18:12 <andreykurilin> lol
14:18:13 <andreykurilin> :)
14:18:14 <kun_huang> popular IMs could support IRC
14:18:33 <andreykurilin> Basically, Gitter adds the same features as IRCCloud, but it also allows to create whatever you want chats and group them by "community"
14:18:52 <kun_huang> nice, I could try it first
14:19:36 <andreykurilin> In our case we have Rally community and 3 chats: Lobby (the main one), statuses(separate chat for gerrit messages and launchpad news in future) and meeting-room
14:20:18 <andreykurilin> the process of switching between community is simple, imho. At least better then in slack
14:21:28 <andreykurilin> kun_huang: also, gitter allows to modify messages (in terms on short period of time) to fix misspellings
14:22:01 <kun_huang> I tried it last week, but didn't find an OpenStack group...
14:22:06 <andreykurilin> so I can name it like IRCCloud Advanced :D
14:22:14 <andreykurilin> yeah, there is no such group
14:22:21 <andreykurilin> yet
14:22:34 <andreykurilin> that is why we created Rally group
14:23:25 <kun_huang> pretty nice
14:23:30 <andreykurilin> Based on answers for my thread at ML, openstack community will never switch from IRC :)
14:24:21 <andreykurilin> ok, you should try our Gitter group. If it will not be good enough for you, you will able to continue usage of #openstack-rally channel. we will never abandon supporting it
14:24:23 <kun_huang> it's not werid., they are making choice for a large team
14:25:23 <andreykurilin> actually, I do not have any other topics to discuss
14:25:25 <andreykurilin> so
14:25:30 <andreykurilin> #topic Open discussions
14:25:46 <kun_huang> okay, what's the status of rally as a service?
14:26:25 <andreykurilin> heh. Currently, we do not have enough resources for implementation. amaretskiy started a PoC, let me find it
14:26:38 <amaretskiy> there are several patches for review
14:26:59 <andreykurilin> kun_huang: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336636/
14:27:09 <amaretskiy> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336636/12
14:27:27 <amaretskiy> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369412/ <-- first step
14:27:42 <andreykurilin> amaretskiy: I posted first link quicker :)
14:27:43 <andreykurilin> :P
14:27:55 <kun_huang> thanks guys, @xionchen_  pls take a look on those designs
14:28:06 <xionchen_> got it
14:28:07 <kun_huang> from reading, thinking and doing reviews
14:28:33 <xionchen_> ok  :)
14:28:39 <kun_huang> of crouse, including contributing
14:29:08 <kun_huang> andreykurilin: btw, is this feature the top one thing in this release?
14:29:26 <andreykurilin> unfortunately, no
14:30:32 <kun_huang> I found some refactor jobs in trello
14:30:43 <andreykurilin> yup
14:30:47 <andreykurilin> we restore our trello board
14:30:50 <andreykurilin> #link https://trello.com/b/DoD8aeZy/rally
14:31:12 <andreykurilin> currently we have only three critical for release features
14:31:41 <andreykurilin> 1) atomic action redesign - support for inner atomics
14:32:12 <andreykurilin> 2) verification component redesign - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372334/
14:32:30 <andreykurilin> 3) keystone v3 whole support - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394583/
14:32:58 <andreykurilin> RaaS is not there since amaretskiy, unfortunately, does not have enough time now
14:33:40 <kun_huang> got it
14:34:25 <kun_huang> hai_shi_ and I would do some contribution, but I should talk to him first
14:34:32 <andreykurilin> cool
14:35:06 <andreykurilin> so raas is still high priority feature for us, but based on its status and progress, it is not a blocker now
14:35:14 <kun_huang> anyone has been working these three tasks?
14:35:58 <andreykurilin> task #3 is almost done. it needs just simple fix
14:36:27 <andreykurilin> task #2 ylobankov and I are working on it. I think we will finish with it in several weeks
14:36:42 <andreykurilin> task #1 amaretkiy has a bit of time now, so he started it
14:37:16 <andreykurilin> kun_huang: also, there is one more task a bit related to RaaS
14:37:20 <kun_huang> hai_shi_: ping
14:37:31 <andreykurilin> finishing refactor of cleanup
14:37:40 <hai_shi_> yep
14:38:21 <andreykurilin> unfortunately, stpierre doesn't have time for it, but this work is high priority and needs just final patches
14:38:50 <andreykurilin> so I think he will not against somebody will take it
14:39:32 <kun_huang> hai_shi_: would you like finish the last shot on the refactor of cleanup?
14:40:31 <hai_shi_> kun_huang:yep, I cloud try it.
14:40:35 <andreykurilin> cool
14:40:40 <kun_huang> andreykurilin: my team is working on CI and automation, and have more or less experience on testing or performance
14:40:52 <kun_huang> andreykurilin: I would help them to join community
14:41:01 <kun_huang> do reviews for them/us
14:41:05 <andreykurilin> really cool
14:41:59 <kun_huang> so I have three to-do list:
14:42:26 <kun_huang> 1) RaaS 2) refactor of cleanup 3) some work on your top 3 tasks
14:43:05 <andreykurilin> so, please join our trello board (https://trello.com/b/DoD8aeZy/rally). invitation link https://trello.com/invite/b/DoD8aeZy/d621d22acf2aedee8a3bf55a5ff1df95/rally . I'll try to add more task there with nice description
14:43:17 <kun_huang> the number 4: trying gitter :)
14:43:20 <andreykurilin> heh
14:43:52 <andreykurilin> kun_huang hai_shi_: https://trello.com/c/wheJgDun/249-cleanup-remove-only-those-resources-which-were-created-by-rally . I'll add a description in several hours
14:44:38 <kun_huang> thanks
14:45:02 <andreykurilin> Anything else to discuss ?
14:45:07 <kun_huang> any thoughts? hai_shi_ xionchen_
14:45:55 <xionchen_> I need to take a look at reviews at first
14:46:17 <xionchen_> before giving some thoughts
14:47:07 <kun_huang> one more thing
14:47:36 <kun_huang> we are using an old version openstack, just move on mitaka from juno
14:47:53 <andreykurilin> oh..
14:47:53 <andreykurilin> )
14:48:15 <kun_huang> we need describe the ability to each version openstack of rally
14:48:28 <andreykurilin> kun_huang: so we have a plan for this :)
14:48:35 <xionchen_> So am I going to concentrate on Raas related things at first?
14:48:48 <kun_huang> at least, it need more jobs to verify this ability
14:49:09 <andreykurilin> kun_huang: I'm not against additional jobs.
14:49:10 <kun_huang> jobs -> ansible jobs in community infra
14:49:36 <kun_huang> xionchen_:  take a look at the design first
14:49:41 <xionchen_> all right
14:50:40 <kun_huang> andreykurilin:  we need more work on rally to help people find and resolve problems
14:51:10 <andreykurilin> kun_huang: long-term plans: so first of all, we need to finish refactoring of validation mechanism to be able to use validators for all kind of plugins. after it will be done, I want to move all openstack plugins to separate repo and andd stable branches there
14:51:29 <xionchen_> do you mean some thing like adding some jobs for rally as experimental pipeline?
14:51:46 <kun_huang> good idea on "stable branches"
14:51:57 <kun_huang> xionchen_: voting check/gate jobs
14:52:07 <xionchen_> to rally?
14:52:44 <kun_huang> or periodical jobs
14:53:24 <kun_huang> xionchen_: it should be, but I don't have more details now
14:53:47 <xionchen_> all right
14:54:15 <andreykurilin> kun_huang:  I'm ok about periodic jobs for all stable openstack branches
14:55:23 <kun_huang> andreykurilin: thanks a lot
14:55:40 <andreykurilin> anything else to discuss ?
14:55:51 <kun_huang> it's 11 pm in China now, I will talk with xionchen_ hai_shi_  about details tommorrow
14:56:06 <kun_huang> and they will say hi to you tommorrow
14:56:06 <andreykurilin> ok
14:56:11 <andreykurilin> :)
14:56:17 <kun_huang> no more topics from me ;)
14:56:21 <andreykurilin> btw, there was a talk at summit
14:57:22 <andreykurilin> topic "making our meeting similar to Nova - one week meeting in one timezone and next week in another timezone"
14:57:30 <andreykurilin> we can discuss this topic next week
14:57:46 <andreykurilin> and maybe find more suitable time for you and your team
14:57:49 <kun_huang> no problem
14:57:52 <andreykurilin> ok, let's finish
14:57:58 <andreykurilin> thanks for participation
14:58:00 <xionchen_> ok,bye
14:58:02 <andreykurilin> bye!
14:58:06 <andreykurilin> #endmeeting