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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 03:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-06-28_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 03:00 |
| haiwei | hi | 03:00 |
| Wenzhi | hi | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| eliqiao | hi | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting namrata yanyanhu haiwei Wenzhi mkrai eliqiao | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Pause a few more minutes | 03:01 |
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| flwang | o/ | 03:02 |
| hongbin | flwang: hey | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
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| hongbin | Our IRC channel has been rename to #openstack-zun. The old channel #openstack-higgins is deprecated. | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330017/ | 03:03 |
| hongbin | The above patch was landed. That means all the bots are moved to the new channel | 03:03 |
| hongbin | The old channel will be duplicated | 03:03 |
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| eliqiao | hongbin: we can kick, or force more guys in openstack-higgins to openstack-zun | 03:03 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 03:03 |
| hongbin | Yes, I am figuring out how to do that | 03:04 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: will work with you offline | 03:04 |
| yanyanhu | anyway to 'move' people from one channel to another ? | 03:04 |
| sudipto | o/ sorry a bit late. | 03:04 |
| yanyanhu | hi, sudipto | 03:04 |
| hongbin | sudipto: hey. NP | 03:04 |
| mkrai | Send out an ML | 03:04 |
| hongbin | mkrai: good idea | 03:04 |
| sudipto | yanyanhu, hongbin hello :) | 03:04 |
| hongbin | However, there is a way to forward from old channel to new channel | 03:05 |
| hongbin | I tried that but it seems I don't have permission to execute the commands | 03:05 |
| shubham_ | o/ Hi , Its my first meeting here. I am shubham and I have knowledge on dockers and python. I am looking forward to contribute to Zun project | 03:05 |
| sudipto | welcome shubham_ | 03:05 |
| mkrai | Hi shubham_ | 03:05 |
| hongbin | shubham_: welcome | 03:05 |
| yanyanhu | welcome | 03:05 |
| mkrai | You're welcome | 03:05 |
| Wenzhi | welcome | 03:05 |
| hongbin | shubham_: which company you belong to? | 03:05 |
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| shubham_ | individual | 03:06 |
| hongbin | I see | 03:06 |
| Wenzhi | cool | 03:06 |
| shubham_ | Thanks all for your warm welcome | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | OK. About the channel rename | 03:07 |
| hongbin | Any further comment? | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:07 | |
| hongbin | None | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #topic Architecture design | 03:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Architecture design (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:07 | |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-architecture-decisions | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | We are debating the design options in the last meeting | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | And the options were written down in the etherpad above | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | Does everyone have a chance to go though the etherpad? | 03:08 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:09 |
| sudipto | hongbin, i think your design option 1.1 kind of bridges the gap between people who want to do a COE vs who want to integrate with the COEs. From a desire per say. | 03:09 |
| yanyanhu | yes, I'm there | 03:09 |
| mkrai | Looks we have multiple option | 03:09 |
| mkrai | Agree sudipto | 03:09 |
| yanyanhu | sudipto, have the same feeling | 03:09 |
| hongbin | sudipto: flwang suggested this option :) | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | credits to flwang | 03:10 |
| sudipto | flwang, ++ | 03:10 |
| yanyanhu | thanks, flwang :) | 03:10 |
| mkrai | cool flwang | 03:10 |
| eliqiao | flwang: thx man! | 03:10 |
| yanyanhu | so we are in the same page now :) | 03:10 |
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| Wenzhi | cool flwang | 03:10 |
| hongbin | seems like we are on the same page. Option 1.1? | 03:11 |
| yanyanhu | +1 | 03:11 |
| sudipto | +1 | 03:11 |
| mkrai | +1 | 03:11 |
| Wenzhi | +1 | 03:11 |
| flwang | wow, i got a lot of +1 | 03:11 |
| yanyanhu | haha | 03:11 |
| hongbin | If there is any opossing point of view, now it is the time to speak up | 03:11 |
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| mkrai | hongbin, flwang I think first let's describe the option little bit | 03:12 |
| sudipto | flwang, hongbin - just a little concern over point iv) | 03:12 |
| mkrai | So that everyone here gets the idea | 03:12 |
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| eliqiao | iv) One way to alleviate the weakness above is to build custom COEs dedicated for OpenStack (i.e. Hypernetes), which is design option #4. However, it is not recommanded because it violates the principles of "community first". | 03:12 |
| sudipto | it doesn't seem to conclude what we mean there. | 03:12 |
| sudipto | and is kind of the anit-pattern :) | 03:13 |
| sudipto | s/anit/anti | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | That means basically port COEs to openstack | 03:14 |
| hongbin | like Hypernetes | 03:14 |
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| sudipto | i think the "like hypernetes" confused me... | 03:14 |
| hongbin | However, maintain a folk is not trivial | 03:14 |
| flwang | firstly i think we're not breaking the 'community first' | 03:14 |
| flwang | because | 03:14 |
| hongbin | sudipto: Hypernetes ported Kubernetes to OpenStack | 03:14 |
| flwang | we do support k8s | 03:14 |
| sudipto | hongbin, ah - got it now. | 03:15 |
| flwang | and we leave the option to cloud admin/operator | 03:15 |
| flwang | let's say, if our native built-in COE is sucks | 03:15 |
| flwang | then cloud admin/operator can use k8s | 03:15 |
| flwang | if we're doing better job | 03:15 |
| hongbin | flwang: The principle of community first, code second, means always contribute to upstream, no folk | 03:15 |
| flwang | .... | 03:15 |
| flwang | so anyway | 03:15 |
| Wenzhi | agree flwang | 03:15 |
| sudipto | flwang, that sounds good. | 03:15 |
| yanyanhu | sounds good to me. | 03:16 |
| flwang | i'm putting my devops hat | 03:16 |
| flwang | another story maybe not related is | 03:16 |
| flwang | think about vmware in openstack community | 03:16 |
| hongbin | OK | 03:17 |
| flwang | you got my point | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | I am going to mark option 1.1 as agreed | 03:17 |
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| flwang | hongbin: we should draft it as a spec | 03:17 |
| sudipto | hongbin, flwang agreed. | 03:18 |
| flwang | and send a request to ML for spec review | 03:18 |
| hongbin | flwang: sure | 03:18 |
| hongbin | #agreed Design options 1.1 (amendment of option 1): Abastract COEs, and provide a native/built-in COE that abstract container runtimes | 03:18 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin draft a spec for design option 1.1 | 03:18 |
| hongbin | That concludes the design of Zun | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | (high level design) | 03:19 |
| hongbin | Next topic | 03:19 |
| sudipto | hongbin, with you on this one...reviews/drafting of the same. if you need anything. | 03:19 |
| hongbin | sudipto: I will put the draft into an etherpad | 03:19 |
| sudipto | hongbin, cool., | 03:19 |
| hongbin | So everyone will collaborate | 03:19 |
| hongbin | #topic API design | 03:19 |
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| yanyanhu | thanks, will help as well | 03:19 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/api-design The BP | 03:19 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-service-api Etherpad | 03:20 |
| hongbin | mkrai: you want to lead the discussion? | 03:20 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:20 |
| mkrai | So last time we discussed about API design, we had discussion on supporting COEs or not | 03:20 |
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| mkrai | IMO the API design we have will remain the same | 03:21 |
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| mkrai | What do you guys think? | 03:21 |
| sudipto | mkrai, you mean replace the CRUD from containers to Clusters? | 03:22 |
| haiwei | what do you mean by remaining the same? | 03:22 |
| mkrai | We will still have CRUD operation that applies to all COEs | 03:22 |
| mkrai | Isn't it? | 03:22 |
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| yanyanhu | no I think? | 03:23 |
| yanyanhu | CRUD for COEs is now supported by Magnum? | 03:23 |
| yanyanhu | my understanding | 03:23 |
| hongbin | magnum supports CRUD for bays | 03:24 |
| yanyanhu | I mean creating, deleting, updating of COE clusters | 03:24 |
| sudipto | something like v1/cluster1?container=xyz is possible? (CRUD on that) | 03:24 |
| hongbin | Yes | 03:24 |
| Wenzhi | yanyanhu: that's magnum's scope | 03:24 |
| hongbin | Why we consider clusters? | 03:24 |
| yanyanhu | Wenzhi, yes | 03:24 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, have the same question | 03:24 |
| mkrai | yanyanhu, I don't meant that | 03:24 |
| eliqiao | I still think on this design, zun is looks like old magnum | 03:25 |
| mkrai | sudipto, What is cluster1 here? Nodes running the COEs? | 03:25 |
| yanyanhu | mkrai, ok, my misunderstanding :) | 03:25 |
| Wenzhi | should not we support CRUD for containers in Zun? | 03:25 |
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| eliqiao | (away from pod CRUD) | 03:25 |
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| sudipto | hongbin, mkrai cluster1 per design 1.1 is set of containers . | 03:25 |
| yanyanhu | sudipto, I see | 03:25 |
| yanyanhu | cluster of container, not COE cluster | 03:26 |
| haiwei | it seems magnum also support CRUD of containers, wenzhi | 03:26 |
| sudipto | yanyanhu, yeah | 03:26 |
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| Wenzhi | got it, yanyanhu | 03:26 |
| mkrai | haiwei, No Magnum doesn't | 03:26 |
| hongbin | haiwei: No, magnum removes its container endpoints | 03:26 |
| haiwei | ok, got it | 03:26 |
| eliqiao | Magnum won't support container CRUD | 03:26 |
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| Wenzhi | so cluster in Zun means composition of containers, right? | 03:27 |
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| sudipto | Wenzhi, i thought so... | 03:27 |
| sudipto | however, i do feel we have to abstract that 'cluster of containers' into some sort of an abstract entity that applies to all coes? | 03:27 |
| mkrai | hongbin, sudipto Is it not like user will say create me a container of type kubernetes or swarm? | 03:27 |
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| sudipto | mkrai, i would imagine so. for the user it's about the cluster, for the operator - it's about which COE driver to use. | 03:27 |
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| eliqiao | mkrai: that will looks like old Magnum APIs. | 03:28 |
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| mkrai | Everyone I think there is understanding gap on design point 1.1 | 03:28 |
| hongbin | One thing to clarify, Magnum supports provisioning COEs, zun supports interfacting with COEs | 03:28 |
| yanyanhu | sudipto, agree. Just feel we need both container primitive and cluster | 03:28 |
| mkrai | Everyone has different understanding :D | 03:28 |
| eliqiao | For users: get me a container, For operation admin: get me a cluster which can have containers run on top of it. | 03:28 |
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| mkrai | hongbin, +1 | 03:29 |
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| yanyanhu | and the latter one is based on the formal one | 03:29 |
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| yanyanhu | s/formal/former | 03:29 |
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| sudipto | yanyanhu, i guess that's the reason i said cluster?container=xyz - in case of a single container - the cluster probably just has one entity... | 03:29 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: actually, old Magnum has some zun's work (interface part) ? | 03:29 |
| yanyanhu | sudipto, I see, so you suggest we use 'cluster' as the name of Zun primitive | 03:29 |
| mkrai | eliqiao, We are abstracting COEs, so it means we are running container on any of the COEs | 03:29 |
| sudipto | yanyanhu, not crazy about the name, just using it as a symbolic representation :) | 03:30 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: Yes, but the "old magnum" don't have a unified API layer | 03:30 |
| eliqiao | mkrai: I know that, but zun should know what COE is running | 03:30 |
| yanyanhu | which could be a single container or a set of container | 03:30 |
| yanyanhu | I see | 03:30 |
| mkrai | eliqiao, Yes it should | 03:30 |
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| eliqiao | hongbin: bingo, I get it (they do have pod/containes) and now I will unify it as "container" | 03:30 |
| Wenzhi | can we treat COEs as hypervisors for container? | 03:31 |
| mkrai | Wenzhi, Yes i think so | 03:31 |
| eliqiao | then zun will fall back to a API gateway ? | 03:31 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: you can think this way | 03:31 |
| yanyanhu | eliqiao, I think the developer and operator of Zun will know the existence of backend COEs, but for enduser, those COEs are transparent I think | 03:31 |
| eliqiao | COEs are provisoned by Magnum and Zun just do the interface to COEs? | 03:31 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: It seems you are right | 03:32 |
| sudipto | eliqiao, broadly - one use case like that. which could be that magnum does the provisoning and hands over the cluster to zun - to now do things with it. | 03:32 |
| yanyanhu | end users don't need to know who(which COE) is at the backend | 03:32 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: Besides, Zun provides a native COE | 03:32 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: then do we still need zun-agent on each node? | 03:32 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: yes | 03:32 |
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| sudipto | eliqiao, we had this discussion with hongbin on the channel, some of his concerns were not to tie it tightly with magnum - it's one way to imagine it. | 03:33 |
| xiangxinyong | It seems that zun is above magnum. | 03:33 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: so the zun-agent only requrired by our nagive COE, right? | 03:33 |
| mkrai | eliqiao, We will also have some Openstack native COE | 03:33 |
| eliqiao | xiangxinyong: you got it. | 03:33 |
| yanyanhu | eliqiao, I think that means Zun support different COEs and the built-in one(proposed in option1.1) is one of them | 03:33 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: yes zun-agent is only for native COE | 03:33 |
| eliqiao | yanyanhu: agreed | 03:33 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: ah | 03:33 |
| eliqiao | I am now get it all! | 03:34 |
| yanyanhu | eliqiao, you're right about the zun-agent I think | 03:34 |
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| eliqiao | ++ for option 1.1 | 03:34 |
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| hongbin | For the disucssion of cluster | 03:34 |
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| haiwei | if we put zun above magnum, there is no need to integrate with Nova? | 03:35 |
| hongbin | I don't think we need to worry about that , until we work on magnum integration | 03:35 |
| eliqiao | the things we need to figure out is how to mapping other COEs 'container/pods' to zun's container object. | 03:35 |
| mkrai | Ok so now for API we need to find a term represents a group of container | 03:35 |
| sudipto | eliqiao, precisely! | 03:35 |
| hongbin | haiwei: No, we need to integrate with Nova as well | 03:35 |
| Wenzhi | agree eliqiao | 03:35 |
| * sudipto thinks since we are sort of agreed on the design, we could discuss the implementation design next on an etherpad. | 03:35 | |
| eliqiao | hongbin: haiwei integrate with nova is for our native COE, I think. | 03:36 |
| mkrai | eliqiao, IMO it can be any COE | 03:36 |
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| hongbin | There are two things that is confusing. 1. Zun itself, 2. Zun's native COE | 03:37 |
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| hongbin | Actually, we needs two APIs for above | 03:37 |
| hongbin | (I think) | 03:37 |
| hongbin | One set of APIs for #1, another set of APIs for #2? | 03:37 |
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| sudipto | hongbin, zun itself is just a container? | 03:38 |
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| sudipto | hongbin, that is what do you mean by #1 | 03:38 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: zun itself is an layer to abstract COE | 03:38 |
| sudipto | hongbin, ah got it...basically you want to have two different APIs - 1. for abstraction 2. for native zun COE... | 03:39 |
| sudipto | ? | 03:39 |
| hongbin | That is the idea in my mind | 03:39 |
| Wenzhi | request->Zun API->Zun COE API? | 03:39 |
| hongbin | Yes | 03:39 |
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| shubham_ | hongbin: I think #2 resembles other COEs in magnum and can be used in magnum as inbuilt api along with docker, kubernetes etc ? | 03:39 |
| mkrai | hongbin, isn't it possible to abstract both? | 03:39 |
| eliqiao | we can call it as instance too, which means abstract layer of COEs. | 03:39 |
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| yanyanhu | eliqiao, +1 | 03:40 |
| hongbin | shubham_: Magnum should belong to provisioning COEs only | 03:40 |
| yanyanhu | mkrai, it could be I think | 03:40 |
| hongbin | mkrai: Maybe, that is an alternative | 03:40 |
| sudipto | hongbin, i think what shubham_ means that if zun becomes a COE, it probably can be provisioned via magnum or something like that :) | 03:40 |
| shubham_ | +1 sudipto | 03:40 |
| hongbin | sudipto: Yes, magnum integration is possible | 03:41 |
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| Wenzhi | if Zun native COE becomes mature in the future, maybe we can split it out from Zun to a new project | 03:41 |
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| eliqiao | then we compete with other COES :( | 03:42 |
| yanyanhu | eliqiao, if it's really good, why not :) | 03:42 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: sure. That is how neutron-lbaas and octavia works | 03:42 |
| flwang | Wenzhi: don't say that :D | 03:42 |
| Wenzhi | eliqiao: if it's mature and stable, we can compete them | 03:42 |
| mkrai | Eventually we are going it even if we don't want it :D | 03:42 |
| Wenzhi | haha | 03:42 |
| yanyanhu | but if it is not good enough, it will be just a reference | 03:42 |
| Wenzhi | it's too early to say that | 03:42 |
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| flwang | guys | 03:42 |
| hongbin | Yes, the key work: reference implementation | 03:43 |
| flwang | if you want to get approval from the board | 03:43 |
| flwang | let's say the built-in implement is just a reference for testing | 03:43 |
| flwang | for now | 03:43 |
| flwang | you can make it better if you want | 03:43 |
| flwang | you can even make it better than k8s | 03:43 |
| eliqiao | flwang: you are a old bird :) | 03:43 |
| flwang | your choice | 03:43 |
| eliqiao | s/a/an | 03:43 |
| mkrai | Ok so now we need to redesign our API endpoints | 03:43 |
| Wenzhi | got it | 03:43 |
| flwang | just my 0.02 | 03:44 |
| mkrai | Please write down your views on etherpad | 03:44 |
| hongbin | flwang: agree. Officially, I would like to say it is an reference implementation | 03:44 |
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| mkrai | hongbin, Do you think the current one applies to Zun itself option? | 03:44 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ?? | 03:45 |
| mkrai | Ok so you said there can be two sets of API. #1 Zun itself | 03:45 |
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| mkrai | It means the API for Zun COE | 03:45 |
| hongbin | That needs to be discussed further | 03:46 |
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| mkrai | Ok | 03:46 |
| hongbin | If we want it to be a reference COE, it should have its own set of APIs | 03:46 |
| Wenzhi | agree | 03:46 |
| mkrai | Yes not simply a wrapper over docker | 03:46 |
| hongbin | mkrai: I think it is a wrapper of container runtims | 03:47 |
| mkrai | So we need to redesign our APIs | 03:47 |
| mkrai | Agree hongbin | 03:47 |
| hongbin | mkrai: I think the design is good so far | 03:47 |
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| mkrai | hongbin, I meant like k8s we have similar concept of pod? | 03:48 |
| hongbin | OK. Folks. To avoid confusion, we need to decide which one to start first | 03:48 |
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| hongbin | #1 Zun API layter, #2 Zun's reference implementatoin of COE | 03:48 |
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| hongbin | If #1, we design a API for COEs | 03:49 |
| hongbin | If #2, we design an API for container runtimes | 03:49 |
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| mkrai | #2 first | 03:49 |
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| yanyanhu | agree with mkrai | 03:49 |
| sudipto | I think the API abstraction/design is the key. So the etherpad sounds like a good idea to start discussion. I am in two minds about two different zun APIs at the moment...but i need to think through. | 03:49 |
| Wenzhi | +1 | 03:49 |
| yanyanhu | since if we want to use it as reference, it should be there first | 03:49 |
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| flwang | here is an api ref if you guys interested in :) http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonECS/latest/APIReference/Welcome.html | 03:50 |
| hongbin | sudipto: We can discuss that further | 03:50 |
| flwang | given we have agreed to go to #1.1, basically we're doing the similar thing as ECS | 03:50 |
| flwang | more or less | 03:51 |
| hongbin | flwang: Frankly, I think everyone complains about ECS APIs :) | 03:51 |
| hongbin | #link https://railsadventures.wordpress.com/2015/12/06/why-we-chose-kubernetes-over-ecs/ | 03:51 |
| flwang | hongbin: if we can figure out what is bad, that's good | 03:51 |
| hongbin | flwang: In the summit, the feedback is : It is bad because it is not a kubernetes API :) | 03:52 |
| flwang | haha | 03:52 |
| flwang | that's a good excuse | 03:52 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:52 |
| hongbin | mkrai: For the API design, I think we can start with the reference COE design | 03:53 |
| flwang | but before competing with google, at least we can beat yahoo | 03:53 |
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| yanyanhu | flwang, :) | 03:53 |
| flwang | that's a bad example, just kidding | 03:53 |
| mkrai | Ok cool | 03:53 |
| hongbin | mkrai: Then, the one in your etherpad looks good, after crossing out k8s | 03:53 |
| yanyanhu | yahoo is not happy to listen this | 03:53 |
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| flwang | i'm kidding :) | 03:54 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:54 |
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| yanyanhu | sure :P | 03:54 |
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| mkrai | I will try to write a spec for it in this week | 03:54 |
| flwang | my point is | 03:54 |
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| flwang | at least we can learn something from ecs | 03:54 |
| hongbin | sudipto: we will discuss with you about the idea of two set of APIs | 03:54 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: Just find a time offline. We can talk | 03:54 |
| mkrai | hongbin, I will also like to join | 03:54 |
| sudipto | hongbin, sounds sweet! | 03:55 |
| mkrai | Please let me know the timing | 03:55 |
| hongbin | mkrai: will ping you | 03:55 |
| mkrai | Thanks | 03:55 |
| yanyanhu | flwang, agree | 03:55 |
| hongbin | flwang: we can learn something from k8s as well (why it is so success) | 03:56 |
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| sudipto | that space is crowded to be honest...there are complaints on k8s being complicated to use as opposed to docker swarm | 03:56 |
| sudipto | but that's for another day really. | 03:56 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: I see | 03:57 |
| hongbin | So, k8s is not perfect | 03:57 |
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| sudipto | I think once we are settled into the design, a fast prototype would be nice to have. after all, there | 03:57 |
| yanyanhu | no one is :) that's why they are all still alive :P | 03:57 |
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| sudipto | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/google-containers/ii5X7vtYH3o | 03:58 |
| sudipto | i mean after all, this space is all about speed - whether it's boot time or it's product release time :) | 03:58 |
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| hongbin | interesting | 03:58 |
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| hongbin | OK. Time is up | 03:59 |
| yanyanhu | nice, will learn it | 03:59 |
| hongbin | All. Thanks for joining hte meeting | 03:59 |
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| yanyanhu | thanks | 03:59 |
| hongbin | Discussion continue offline | 03:59 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:59 |
| sudipto | thanks everyone!! | 03:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 03:59:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-06-28-03.00.html | 03:59 |
| Wenzhi | thanks | 03:59 |
| mkrai | Thanks everyone | 03:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-06-28-03.00.txt | 03:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-06-28-03.00.log.html | 03:59 |
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| Namrata | thanks | 03:59 |
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| yanyanhu | #startmeeting senlin | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 13:01:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yanyanhu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:01 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:01 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, elynn | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi, lixinhui_ | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | long time no see :P | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | ok, here is the agenda, plz feel free to add any item you want to discuss | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Weekly_Senlin_.28Clustering.29_meeting | 13:02 |
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| yanyanhu | #topic newton workitem | 13:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "newton workitem (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
| yanyanhu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | here is the etherpad track our newton workitem | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | first item, testing | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | tempest API test has been done | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | and tempest functional test is in good progress | 13:03 |
| elynn | Dose release notes in? | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | I think all existing functional test cases have been migrated(some in progress) | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, not yet, several patches are still under review :) | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | but I think we can finish it in this week | 13:04 |
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| yanyanhu | the new gate job for tempest functional test is also available now | 13:05 |
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| yanyanhu | although it is experimental and doesn't vote | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | after the functional test migration is done, I will propose a patch to remove the old functional test gate job | 13:05 |
| yanyanhu | it will be replaced by the new one :) | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | then we will have two jobs enabled in both check and gate pipeline and they will vote | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | ok, this is the tempest test part | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | about rally plugin, didn't get time to work on it this week | 13:06 |
| yanyanhu | but our patch to add cluster/profile plugin for rally got first +2 | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | need another +2 and workflow | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | basically, it looks good now | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | hi, lixinhui_ , around? | 13:07 |
| yanyanhu | any update on HA related work :) | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | I think Qiming didn't get time to work on it in last week | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | I finished the fencing tests | 13:08 |
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| yanyanhu | great! | 13:08 |
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| lixinhui_ | need to discuss how to bring into | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | Senlin | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | that is important for our HA solution | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | And I tried the resilient | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | I think we can make further discussion in irc channel to decide how to merge into current HA framework | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | elastic cluster template with ceilometer/aodh/gnocchi | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | yes, yanyanhu | 13:09 |
| yanyanhu | so monitoring has been included? | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | for failure detection? | 13:10 |
| yanyanhu | actually I'm thinking how to build the basic workflow of our HA solution, including leverage other monitor service to detect failure in different layers | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | what the failure detection? | 13:11 |
| yanyanhu | like host/VM crash or app failure | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | the failure detection is based on node status | 13:12 |
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| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | yanyanhu | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yes, from nova notification, e.g. | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | for VM failure | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | I think Qiming was working on this? | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | one problem I met is about heat | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yes? | 13:12 |
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| lixinhui_ | where do you know to set the timeout or retry time | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | retry for? | 13:13 |
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| lixinhui_ | creation of loadbalancer is very slow | 13:13 |
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| lixinhui_ | then heat stack-create will keep retrying | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | yes, it is sometimes | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | I'm not sure there is such an option to customized | 13:13 |
| lixinhui_ | then there will be several loadbalancers under creation | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | hi, elynn, do you have any idea? | 13:13 |
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| lixinhui_ | I think there should be somewhere can be customized | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | and I know Qiming is adding listener | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | for detection functions | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu | I guess that is a fixed value defined in heat engine? | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | so you put all those resources in a heat template? | 13:15 |
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| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:15 |
| elynn | retry time for creating resource? | 13:15 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:15 |
| lixinhui_ | elynn | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, maybe you can try to split lb resource from other ones if the stack creation always failed for the timeout of lb creation | 13:16 |
| lixinhui_ | to avoid creations duplicated creation of loadbalancer | 13:16 |
| lixinhui_ | yanyanhu, I am using the same template as we presented in Austin | 13:16 |
| lixinhui_ | which is committed into as a tutorial | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, that should happened I think if you mean duplicated creation of lb for timeout retry | 13:17 |
| elynn | I can't remember any property or configurations about that. | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, I see | 13:17 |
| lixinhui_ | that is okay elynn | 13:17 |
| lixinhui_ | octavia is so slow | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | sorry, that shouldn't happen | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | so haproxy works well | 13:17 |
| elynn | I can check later | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | but octavia doesn't? | 13:18 |
| lixinhui_ | that will be very nice, elynn | 13:18 |
| elynn | That would be a problem if it happens on presentation... | 13:18 |
| lixinhui_ | yes, yanyanhu | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | I see | 13:18 |
| lixinhui_ | elynn, nsx and haporxy work well | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, hope we can find some solution for it | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | or in worst case, use some workaround | 13:19 |
| lixinhui_ | why so many people use octavia | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, we don't :) | 13:19 |
| lixinhui_ | yanyanhu, what kinds backend for IBM | 13:19 |
| lixinhui_ | ? | 13:19 |
| elynn | We can at least change the hardcode retry times in our env ;) | 13:19 |
| yanyanhu | I'm not sure. But I think octavia is better than haproxy hosted in network controller | 13:20 |
| elynn | Saw an option client_retry_limit | 13:20 |
| elynn | we can try to increase it in heat.conf | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | not only reduce the risk of single failure, but also much better scalability I think | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | oh, elynn? | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | sorry， single point failure | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | okay yanyanhu | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | I see | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | BTW, I have draft a topic proposal about HA for Barcelona summit | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/call-for-presentations/manage/15037/summary | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | hope we can finish our HA design and make a presentation for it | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | I added you two and Qiming's name as speaker | 13:22 |
| elynn | And also we can specify an timeout parameter when creating new stack. | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | I think we can make further discussion to see how can we build this demo | 13:22 |
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| lixinhui_ | okay, yanyanhu. will read it and raise discussion | 13:22 |
| lixinhui_ | sounds like a better solution, elynn | 13:22 |
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| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, thanks :) I think HA is an important feature we need to finish in this cycle | 13:23 |
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| yanyanhu | although maybe the basic one, we hope it is a complete loop, from failure detection to recovery | 13:23 |
| lixinhui_ | is that a cli parameter? elynn | 13:24 |
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| elynn | lixinhui_: yes | 13:24 |
| lixinhui_ | okay, I will try it | 13:24 |
| lixinhui_ | yes, yanynahu | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, timeout works well I think | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | for heat stack creation | 13:25 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | you can have a try. I tried to increase it from 1 hour to 10 hours when deployed a very large and complicated stack in softlayer | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:25 |
| elynn | That is so long. | 13:26 |
| lixinhui_ | happy to know | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | ok, I think we can collect our idea about HA topic using this existing etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-ha-recover | 13:26 |
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| yanyanhu | elynn, yes, since the deployment of some services inside VM is very slow :) | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | like DB2 | 13:26 |
| yanyanhu | and we used software deployment for it | 13:27 |
| elynn | that's true... | 13:27 |
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| yanyanhu | anyway, it works good | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | ok, so this is about HA? | 13:27 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:27 |
| yanyanhu | we can have more discussion offline | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | thanks, xinhui | 13:28 |
| lixinhui_ | sure | 13:28 |
| lixinhui_ | pleasure | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | next one | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | lets skip document | 13:28 |
| yanyanhu | I guess haiwei is not here? | 13:28 |
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| yanyanhu | I noticed he proposed patch to add docker driver | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | although just for most basic operations like creating, deleting | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | it's a startpoint I think | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | will talk with him to add more driver interfaces | 13:29 |
| yanyanhu | umm, for other left items, we have no progress I think | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | so topic 2 | 13:30 |
| yanyanhu | #topic proposal for summit | 13:30 |
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| yanyanhu | hi, elynn, lixinhui_ , any idea :) | 13:30 |
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| yanyanhu | besides the HA one | 13:30 |
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| elynn | Not sure what else we can propose | 13:31 |
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| lixinhui_ | cluster.do | 13:31 |
| lixinhui_ | I think that is worthy a talk | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | you mean deployment? lixinhui_ | 13:31 |
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| yanyanhu | of app | 13:31 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:31 |
| lixinhui_ | and any cluster management | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | I see. It's very useful and powerful I believe | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | just I feel we may need a use case as reference | 13:32 |
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| lixinhui_ | integration will some given agent | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | otherwise, pure technical discussion could be difficult to understand for audience who are not familiar with Senlin code | 13:32 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, for agent, you mean? | 13:33 |
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| elynn | agree | 13:33 |
| lixinhui_ | agent of some given monitor | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | so this for HA solution? | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | as monitoring part? | 13:34 |
| lixinhui_ | I think it should be a separate topic | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:34 |
| elynn | We can think of some use cases, like scaling from a standby pool, green-blue deployment | 13:34 |
| lixinhui_ | cool, ekynn | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | elynn, that's interesting as well | 13:34 |
| lixinhui_ | elynn | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | ok, I will create an etherpad to collect these ideas | 13:34 |
| elynn | How to use senlin for better management. | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | and then we can discuss and refine them to see what we can propose | 13:35 |
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| elynn | yes | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | #action yanyanhu to create an etherpad to collect proposal ideas | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | oh, BTW, I also talked with eldon to see whether we can propose one to share their experience on managing cluster in large scale | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | eldon from cmcc | 13:35 |
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| lixinhui_ | cool yanyanhu | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | they have tried to use senlin to manage cluster consists of a thousand of VMs? | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | I think | 13:36 |
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| lixinhui_ | you know I always wanna to learn more details | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | so that can be a very good demonstration and sharing | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | they also met some problems I believe | 13:36 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, sure, me too :) | 13:36 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | so lesson and learn | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | ok | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | will add it as well | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | I will create the etherpad and post the link into irc channel | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | the deadline is 13th ? | 13:38 |
| elynn | yes | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | so we need to propose before that date :) | 13:38 |
| elynn | about 2 weeks | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | yea | 13:38 |
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| yanyanhu | lots of thinking needed :P | 13:39 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, that's for proposal for summit | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu | #topic open discussion | 13:39 |
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| yanyanhu | any other items you guys want to discuss? | 13:39 |
| elynn | no from me | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | if not, we can finish 20 minutes earlier :) | 13:40 |
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| lixinhui_ | Qiming should be a good dad | 13:41 |
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| elynn | Congratuate to him :) | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, I believe so :) | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | yea | 13:41 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu | so maybe a month later, we can go to his home to see his baby:) | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | haha | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | heihei | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | lets go together | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | he will be managed by two women | 13:42 |
| elynn | haha | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | since then | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | haha | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, LOL | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | yep | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | ok, thank you so much for joining | 13:43 |
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| yanyanhu | I think we can finish the meeting now | 13:43 |
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| lixinhui_ | see you next time | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | lets make further discussion later | 13:43 |
| elynn | cu | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | see U | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | #endmeeting | 13:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 13:43:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-06-28-13.01.html | 13:43 |
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| saggi | #topic smaug | 15:00 |
| saggi | #startmeeting smaug | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 15:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is saggi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: smaug)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'smaug' | 15:00 |
| saggi | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| yuval | Hey | 15:00 |
| saggi | awesome to see that everyone is here | 15:00 |
| yuval | :D | 15:01 |
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| saggi | #topic Triumphant return of the PTL | 15:01 |
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| yuval | Welcome back | 15:01 |
| saggi | 🎺🎺🎺🎺 | 15:01 |
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| saggi | I'm back but there are still terbulant times ahead | 15:02 |
| yuval | Let's just hope there will be no Moadi Bet | 15:02 |
| saggi | בע"ה | 15:02 |
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| saggi | #topic Open Issues | 15:03 |
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| saggi | Anything urgent I need to look in to? | 15:03 |
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| yuval | zengchen has 2 patches with +2 on them | 15:04 |
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| saggi | I'll look at it now | 15:04 |
| yuval | but other than that, nope | 15:04 |
| saggi | I'll try and catch up with everyone else on IRC tomorrow morning since most of the team is asleep | 15:04 |
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| saggi | I'll cut early since there isn't anything on the table | 15:05 |
| saggi | OK? | 15:05 |
| yuval | sure | 15:05 |
| saggi | #endmeeting | 15:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 16:03:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:03 |
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| KanagarajM | hi | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | who is here ? | 16:03 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:03 |
| s3wong | o/ | 16:03 |
| janki_ | o/ | 16:03 |
| trozet | o/ | 16:03 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:03 |
| tung_doan | hi all | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | hello all ! | 16:04 |
| tbh | o/ | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | let's start.. | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Also, given tung_doan is here i would like to get few words from his side on alarm-monitor | 16:05 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: ok | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | #info Tacker client version 0.4.0 (newton) is released | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-June/001259.html | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | We have been making regular releases off stable branches. This is the first time we are starting to make a tackerclient release off master. | 16:07 |
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| KanagarajM | nice ! | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | will add tackerclient to global-requirements for us and other projects (like Mistral) to use | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | FYI, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334641/ | 16:07 |
| sripriya | cool! | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thanks! | 16:07 |
| vishwanathj | cool | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | yes, finally! | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | OpenStack Barcelona Summit talk submission deadline is fast approaching | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | You folks should try to put a good set of submissions on Tacker! | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | s/a/a lot of/ | 16:09 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i'm thinking of the Scaling could be nice topic :) | 16:09 |
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| KanagarajM | with alarm in place | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: of course ! | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | JULY 13, 2016 AT 11:59PM PDT (JULY 14 6:59 UTC) IS THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT A TALK | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | Please watchout for local UTC time... and don't make it last minute :) | 16:10 |
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| tung_doan | KanagarajM: scaling + monitoring is impossible? I try to do it | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on... | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic OPNFV Summit Update | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | Videos are available at Videos - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3EjXLJbub0tPFpnI3vEmYg | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | Tacker design summit session is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSaQth_nJHI | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | In short, lot of NFV MANO discussions and sessions.. | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | Open-O, OpenBaton and Tacker was discussed quite a bit | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | Two demos using Tacker + VNFFFG where shown in the demo floor | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | Kudos to trozet efforts !! | 16:13 |
| trozet | thanks :) | 16:13 |
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| vishwanathj | +1 | 16:13 |
| tbh | +1 | 16:13 |
| sripriya | great job trozet! | 16:13 |
| KanagarajM | good to see the tacker values :) | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | we also need to engage more with various OPNFV Projects | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | FuncTest is of immediate importance... we need Tacker tests running in OPNFV Scenario testbed | 16:14 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: sorry late | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | We also have an oppurtunities to engage with lots of other projects like VNF Event Stream (VES), Domino, ... | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: howdy! we are just warming up | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | There is also a main Tacker talk session, still waiting for the youtube link... | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | will pass it onto the team... | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | when i get it | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | meanwhile, if some you want to work on Tacker on the OPNFV project do let me know.. i will connect you with the right people | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | *some of you | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | any questions ? | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Alarm-Monitoring | 16:16 |
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| * sridhar_ram apologizes for the slight change in agenda order | 16:17 | |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: can you please give an update where this spec stands ? | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | reviewers of alarm-spec : please pitch in :) | 16:17 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: I already updated spec last week: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306562/14/specs/newton/alarm-based-monitoring-driver.rst | 16:18 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: i wtill wait for reviewers. Also, I updated CLI cmmand in L146. Let see. | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: one area i've some concern is, this spec refers to some scaling related things.. wouldn't that be an overlap with what is in the scaling spec ? | 16:19 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: absolutely not. | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | ah, perhaps i was looking at an older version.. my bad | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | alright, cool then.. | 16:21 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: IMO, scaling will be done once triggers sent by Ceilometer. it totally different scenario | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: as usual i'm going to bug you to review this :) | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: perfect! | 16:21 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: currently, I am going with this | 16:22 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: I figured :-) | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: what happens after an alarm from ceilometer is totally upto what is specified in the TOSCA template.. | 16:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: .. at some point in the future an action might involving sending an SMS - who knows | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | *involve | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: thanks for the update | 16:23 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: regrading to notification like SMS, I already think about it | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: ha, ha.. that is not futuristic enough :) | 16:23 |
| sripriya | tung_doan: will you be creating a new abstract driver for the alarm framework? | 16:24 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: right | 16:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: did u catch srirpriya's questions ? | 16:25 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: what question? sridhar :) | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | nevermind, let's take it to #tacker after the meeting | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | need to get back to the rest of the agenda | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: thanks for the update.. | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | i hope we can land alarm and scaling spec soon | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | and move on to code-reviews | 16:27 |
| tung_doan | sridhar_ram: please take some minitues to review my specs.. Thanks | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: bobh is on it ;-) | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic VNFFG --> VNFM --> networking-sfc interaction | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: trozet: that was a good discussion in the channel on this topic.. | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | I've capture this based on that... | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/523666/ | 16:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | FYI, for the folks interested in the VNF-FFG workflow... please take a look at the ^^ diagram | 16:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: s3wong: does this flow sounds about right ? | 16:29 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: looks good | 16:30 |
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| trozet | what is the vnffg abstract driver? | 16:30 |
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| trozet | oh nvm | 16:30 |
| s3wong | trozet: abstract class for all drivers | 16:30 |
| trozet | i forgot about hte new driver | 16:30 |
| s3wong | trozet: common interface for all drivers | 16:31 |
| trozet | shouldnt VNFM also have an abstract driver? | 16:31 |
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| KanagarajM | looks reasonable ! also should we look to typing the descriptor in the catalog http://paste.openstack.org/show/523666/ | 16:31 |
| KanagarajM | typo ^^ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333216/1/tacker/extensions/nfvo.py | 16:32 |
| s3wong | trozet: it really should :-) | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: i didn't get the question.. we do have abstract infra drivers.. https://github.com/openstack/tacker/blob/master/tacker/vm/infra_drivers/abstract_driver.py | 16:32 |
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| trozet | maybe the diagram just doesn't show it | 16:33 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I think trozet was talking about the diagram | 16:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: trozet: do you mean a VNFM abstract driver for NFVO to call ? | 16:34 |
| sripriya | trozet: are you referring to the heat infra_driver? | 16:34 |
| * sridhar_ram is still puzzled | 16:34 | |
| trozet | there is just a direct line from VNFM to heat | 16:34 |
| trozet | i would htink there would be abstraction there, since there is abstraction between VNFFG to it's VIM type | 16:35 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: in the diagram, between VNFM plugin and Heat infra driver, there should be an infra abstract driver layer | 16:35 |
| trozet | i don't mean to hold up the meeting | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: ah, yes, indeed.. there is an infra abstract driver as i poiinted out earlier | 16:35 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: no worries... | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: you never know where some wrong assumptions | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: s3wong: i'd like to get some clarity on this get_vnf_details() ... | 16:36 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: s3wong: trozet: are we introducing a new abstract driver for vnffg or will it merge with existing abstract_vim_driver? | 16:36 |
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| s3wong | sripriya: probably new, as the driver is specific to VNFFG | 16:37 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yes | 16:37 |
| trozet | sripriya: i'm not sure yet because I haven't looked at the VIM driver | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: i'd suggest we leave this separate and no tie w/ abstract_vim_driver | 16:37 |
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| sripriya | s3wong: sridhar_ram: ok | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | get_vnf_details() in this flow, it should be any special for VNFFG .. i think it should be a generic enhancement | 16:38 |
| sripriya | +1 | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | GET /vnfs/<uuid> with some flag indicating "details" should return more information about the VNF | 16:39 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | all the heat resources created for the VNF - VDUs, CPs, | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: what do you think ? | 16:40 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, +1 it would be nice enhancement. | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | can we make that a generic enhancement and VNFFG patchsets will have dependecny on that | 16:40 |
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| * sridhar_ram my typing malaise is back :( | 16:40 | |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: something like GET /vnfs/uuid/detail .. | 16:41 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: I think it should be generic, and return VNFD logical mapping names to VNFD instance components | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: that would work, or even a flag in the json request body.. no hard opinion here | 16:42 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: who is going to implement the API? :-) | 16:42 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sure | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: sounds good.. we can use this to do 'tacker vnf-show --details <vnf-id>' | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: do you have some code already in place to get such vnf-details ? | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: do you need some help from the community on this peice | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | ? | 16:43 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: no code. If someone wants to implement that it would be helpful | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | any volunteers ? | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | janki_: i remember you were interested in pitching in for VNFFG .. is this something you can help ? | 16:44 |
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| janki_ | sridhar_ram: sure, was just typing that only | 16:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki_: cool, thanks... | 16:45 |
| janki_ | :) | 16:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki_: please keep in mind this will be blocking dependency for trozet | 16:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki_: so, keep trozet happy :) | 16:46 |
| janki_ | Ok, will get right to it | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | janki_: thanks! | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | i hope that diagram can be used in some vnffg-defref | 16:46 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: trozet: janki_ : thanks! | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:47 |
| s3wong | janki_: thanks! | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Grooming Midcycle Meetup topics | 16:47 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, should we start to typing the descriptor in the catalog, seems it got missed over the discussions :) | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | #undo | 16:47 |
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| * sridhar_ram oops | 16:47 | |
| janki_ | s3wong: my pleasure | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic VNFFG | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: can you please elaborate ? | 16:48 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, we now bring anothe descriptor for the VNFFGD. | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: yes, that's correct | 16:49 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, so instead of modelling it as new resource in REST, should be update the existing VNFD to be generic enough to hold the all kind of descriptor | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: no, VNFD is for VNFs... VNFFGD descriptor flows covering multiple VNFs.. | 16:50 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: they don't logically map | 16:50 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i am not telling to directly on the VNFD, | 16:50 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, instead make a VNFD as generic enough to hold VNFD, VNFFGD | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | hmm... VNFFGD is actually close to NSD descriptor than VNFD | 16:52 |
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| janki_ | I say we keep the descriptors separate | 16:53 |
| janki_ | a single descriptor would be long | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | these descriptors are something we are preserving from ETSI architecture... i don't think we should overload VNFD to also include FFGD.. | 16:53 |
| janki_ | it might become difficult for new comers to grap it | 16:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | the later refers to multiple VNFs | 16:53 |
| janki_ | given almost similar short forms for the terms | 16:53 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, by using another attributed called 'type' this would make catalog simple | 16:53 |
| KanagarajM | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333216/1/tacker/extensions/nfvo.py i tried to comment the same | 16:53 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, no... some thing like as below | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: sure.. we need to take up the topic of "NFV Catalog" evolution as a topic in our midcycle meetup | 16:54 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, sure. | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | lets take this offline in the channel.. or continue in the next week's call.. | 16:55 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yeah. | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Midcycle Meetup | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-midcycle | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | Please enter your topics of interest.. | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | Also, please respond to the following Doodle poll to pick a date in the last weekl of July.. | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | picking a time will be a challenge | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | i've suggested a time that seems equally painful for everyone (ex US east coast) | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | please pick upto 2 slots | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | if you have other time slots in mind or if this suggested slot doesn't work.. please give a shout out.. | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | thanks everyone for joining today... | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | that all the time we have | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | bye | 16:59 |
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| s3wong | bye | 17:00 |
| sripriya | bye | 17:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| KanagarajM | bye | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 17:00:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-06-28-16.03.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-06-28-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-06-28-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
| mmedvede | #startmeeting third-party | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 17:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:00 |
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| mmedvede | anyone here for third-party meeting? | 17:01 |
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| ja3 | moi, misha | 17:01 |
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| mmedvede | hey ja3 | 17:02 |
| mmedvede | #topic CI Watch | 17:03 |
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| mmedvede | initial puppet code to deploy ci-watch has landed | 17:03 |
| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238606/ | 17:03 |
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| mmedvede | so we now can proceed with the spec to deploy it on an infra server | 17:04 |
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| asselin_ | hi mmedvede | 17:04 |
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| mmedvede | hi asselin_ | 17:04 |
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| asselin_ | hi ja3 | 17:04 |
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| asselin_ | saw that patch landed. awesome | 17:05 |
| mmedvede | also, related, http://ci-watch.tintri.com seems to have lost connection to gerrit stream, and shows no recent events | 17:05 |
| ja3 | howdy asselin | 17:05 |
| mmedvede | I have contacted apoorvad on email just now, hopefully it would get fixed | 17:06 |
| mmedvede | In a meantime, I have deployed a temporary instance of ci-watch at | 17:06 |
| mmedvede | #link http://54.205.162.64:5000 | 17:06 |
| mmedvede | any questions on this topic? | 17:07 |
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| ja3 | nope | 17:07 |
| asselin_ | should we send that to the mailing list? | 17:07 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: not sure. It is my personal instance, and I may take it down any time | 17:08 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: I want to avoid people thinking it is a permanent place | 17:08 |
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| asselin_ | understood... | 17:09 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: you think I should still announce, even for temp? | 17:09 |
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| asselin_ | let's wait for apoorvad's response | 17:09 |
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| mmedvede | +1 | 17:09 |
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| mmedvede | #topic Common-CI Solution | 17:10 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: any updates here, or should we proceed to open discussion? | 17:10 |
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| asselin_ | not really. upstream has moved away from using jenkins | 17:10 |
| asselin_ | but the solution hasn't been updated yet. | 17:10 |
| mmedvede | how did I forget about that? | 17:11 |
| mmedvede | thanks asselin_ | 17:11 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: I do not think it should be updated until zuul v3 | 17:11 |
| asselin_ | My understanding it that 3rd party folk should wait a bit more before switching to jenkins-less solution | 17:11 |
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| asselin_ | that said, I haven't checked if the current docs and scripts still work | 17:11 |
| asselin_ | is zuul v2.5 used by upstream master or special branch? | 17:12 |
| mmedvede | asselin_: they work for infra (zuul and nodepool part of it) | 17:12 |
| asselin_ | Also I did hear of a bug that the latest version of jenkins gets installed which doesn't work anymore due to permissions issues. | 17:12 |
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| ja3 | Bob has been building our CI-dev env using old zuul + the refactored puppet work, if that's what you mean by "current" docs/scripts | 17:13 |
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| asselin_ | 'current' is what's in puppet-openstackci master | 17:13 |
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| mmedvede | there are quite a few open reviews | 17:15 |
| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci+status:open | 17:15 |
| asselin_ | I see zuul is tagged 13th months ago..so i suppose they're on the feature branch http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/ | 17:15 |
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| mmedvede | zuul.o.o shows the exact version OpenStack infra is using | 17:17 |
| mmedvede | which is now a strange "Zuul version: 0.0.1.dev1071" | 17:17 |
| ja3 | brb | 17:17 |
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| asselin_ | yeah, not sure what that means | 17:18 |
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| mmedvede | maybe something broke in zuul version display recently | 17:19 |
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| mmedvede | asselin_: I do not see any patches regarding openstackci jenkins deployment not working | 17:20 |
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| asselin_ | cbader ran into an issue. I don't think he submitted any patches | 17:21 |
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| mmedvede | ok, thanks asselin_ | 17:22 |
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| mmedvede | #topic Open Discussion | 17:22 |
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| asselin_ | "The version of Jenkins that seems to work is 1.642.4. | 17:23 |
| asselin_ | To downgrade Jenkins all you need to do is stop Jenkins and replace the jenkins.war file in the /usr/share/Jenkins directory, then restart the service. | 17:23 |
| asselin_ | " | 17:23 |
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| mmedvede | strange, I have 1.651.1 working ok | 17:25 |
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| cbader | mmedvede: asselin_ is correct you will need to downgrade jenkins or you will need to change your jobs support the new jenkins requirements. | 17:25 |
| asselin_ | I don't think he bisected the last working version. | 17:25 |
| asselin_ | cbader, what was the error/symptom? | 17:26 |
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| mmedvede | cbader: is it related to new security for gearman plugin? i.e. you can not pass arbitrary parameters any more, and need to predefine them? | 17:26 |
| cbader | asselin_; correct | 17:27 |
| asselin_ | that sounds familiar | 17:27 |
| cbader | mmedvede, asselin_, after build 1.652.1 is was added. | 17:28 |
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| cbader | I backed up to 1.642.4 to fix it. | 17:28 |
| BobH_ | 1.642.1 works for me | 17:28 |
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| cbader | the latest war I could find was 1.642.4 | 17:29 |
| mmedvede | maybe a version cap on jenkins config in puppet-openstackci is in order then | 17:30 |
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| asselin_ | #link jenkins cap might need to be added to here: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins/tree/manifests/master.pp#n30 | 17:30 |
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| asselin_ | #link corrected location: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins/tree/manifests/master.pp#n114 | 17:31 |
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| mmedvede | any takers to add the cap? | 17:32 |
| mmedvede | #action mmedvede to add jenkins version cap in puppet-openstackci | 17:33 |
| asselin_ | I think we should just cap it in puppet-jenkins and keep it simple | 17:33 |
| asselin_ | especially since jenkins is going away. | 17:34 |
| mmedvede | #undo | 17:34 |
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| mmedvede | #action mmedvede to add jenkins version cap in puppet-jenkins | 17:34 |
| asselin_ | then it's just 1 line to add | 17:34 |
| asselin_ | thanks mmedvede | 17:35 |
| mmedvede | yes, should be simple and useful. Because there is definitely not going to be support added for new "secure" jenkins | 17:35 |
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| asselin_ | +1 | 17:35 |
| cbader | +1 | 17:36 |
| asselin_ | either way, for 3rd party ci, most folks have security behind corp firewalls, so it's not relevant | 17:36 |
| mmedvede | exactly | 17:36 |
| mmedvede | so it seems the latest confirmed working version is 1.651.1 | 17:37 |
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| asselin_ | seems. fwiw, I never benefit from any 'features' of newer versions | 17:37 |
| asselin_ | usually just bugs creeping in whenever there's an upgrade | 17:38 |
| mmedvede | that +1000 | 17:38 |
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| mmedvede | sorry I got open discussion too early | 17:39 |
| mmedvede | anything for open discussion? speak up | 17:39 |
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| mmedvede | I then motion to end the meeting | 17:41 |
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| asselin_ | nothing from me mmedvede. thanks for chairing! | 17:41 |
| mmedvede | thanks asselin_ | 17:41 |
| ja3 | +1 | 17:41 |
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| mmedvede | thank you all for attending | 17:41 |
| mmedvede | #endmeeting | 17:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 17:41:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-28-17.00.html | 17:42 |
| ja3 | tschuss | 17:42 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-28-17.00.txt | 17:42 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-28-17.00.log.html | 17:42 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | meeting ping ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, crinkle, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, jorge_munoz, knikolla, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, MaxPC, morgan, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tjcocozz, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek | 18:00 |
| ayoung | WOOT! | 18:00 |
| jaugustine | Hi | 18:00 |
| amakarov | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 18:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | howdy | 18:00 |
| knikolla | hiiii o/ | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| browne | o/ | 18:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi all o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
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| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| raildo | ＼(~_~)／ | 18:00 |
| xek | o/ | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | i wonder if dolphm is back from kung fu noodle | 18:01 |
| ayoung | no shaleh? | 18:01 |
| stevemar | agenda is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 18:01 |
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| nonameentername | o/ | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | alrighty, let's get this show on the road | 18:02 |
| stevemar | #topic Make oslo.messaging and caching required for keystonemiddleware | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystonemiddleware/+bug/1540115 | 18:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540115 in keystonemiddleware "use extras to install optional dependencies" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 18:03 |
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| notmorgan | o/ | 18:03 |
| stevemar | there was a bug to use "extras" - like how we do it in keystoneauth - for the audit and caching support in keystonemiddleware | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | but jamielennox brought up a good point | 18:03 |
| stevemar | we highly recommend caching, so why not make it required | 18:04 |
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| bknudson_ | why do we recommend caching? Have we done performance measurements? | 18:04 |
| stevemar | and audit support only needs oslo.messaging, which most services will already depend on | 18:04 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: of course not, but caching fixes everything (tm) | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | bknudson_: i believe we have caching enabled in the gate | 18:05 |
| dstanek | and breaks everything else :-) | 18:05 |
| stevemar | and even if you don't have something setup, it'll use an in-memory cache | 18:06 |
| notmorgan | the memory cache is terrible | 18:06 |
| notmorgan | and needs to die. | 18:06 |
| jamielennox | so we can never require that a deployment turn on caching or messaging | 18:06 |
| ayoung | die cache die | 18:06 |
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| jamielennox | however for this i think it safe to say that we recommend it all so heavily that we should just make the dependencies required to make it work always installed | 18:06 |
| ayoung | messaging used for audit only, right? | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | rather than have to do the pip install keystonemiddleware['cache,audit_messaging_notifications'] | 18:07 |
| stevemar | ayoung: correct | 18:07 |
| dstanek | stevemar: using an in-memory cache in production would be terrible if it doesn't clean up after itself; and i'm assuming it doesn't | 18:07 |
| bknudson_ | I thought the point of oslo cache was that you could have different implementations (not just memcached) | 18:07 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: it does. ghe issue with the in-memory cache is that multiple processes dont share | 18:08 |
| notmorgan | and the in-memory cache cleans up [runs a for loop on the dict] on every get. | 18:08 |
| dstanek | notmorgan: least common algorithm? | 18:08 |
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| notmorgan | dstanek: tokens can be validated on one process and fail on another | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: for example | 18:09 |
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| henrynash | (eek, sorry to be late) | 18:09 |
| dstanek | notmorgan: i'm more worried about absorbing all memory for the cache | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: so subsequent requests succeed/fail/succeed because the processes cached data | 18:09 |
| stevemar | henrynash: no worries :) | 18:09 |
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| dstanek | unless it is bounded; only keeps last X entries | 18:09 |
| notmorgan | basically don't enable cache with in-memory caching as a default ANYwhere it isn't already | 18:09 |
| jamielennox | unfortunately we tried to remove that and devstack suffered and we got slapped for it so we're stuck with that for a little bit | 18:09 |
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| notmorgan | and we need to deprecate the current one | 18:10 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: yep | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | if someone advocates adding in-memory cache anywhere else, i'm sorry, but no. | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | and that being slapped for it was a massive overreaction | 18:10 |
| stevemar | revert as jamie metioned: https://github.com/openstack/keystonemiddleware/commit/70a9754ae68c3eb4d5645c76f3e61052486e9054 | 18:10 |
| ayoung | how about messaging? | 18:10 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: so yeah, it does actually work :P | 18:10 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: cause the neutron gates kept timing out iirc | 18:11 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: so if you install audit middleware but don't install oslo.messaging it just logs everything | 18:11 |
| stevemar | ayoung: what about it? | 18:11 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: the fact is the gate doesn't need the in-memory cache. | 18:11 |
| jamielennox | which is not particularly useful - and can actually be accomplished by configuring oslo.messaging that way if you're really interested | 18:11 |
| jamielennox | but i see no reason to do that, so if you want to use audit middleware you have to install oslo.messaging seperately | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | so, if this throws thing into in-memory cache by default with audit middleware | 18:12 |
| ayoung | stevemar, should we require it | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | i'm against this. | 18:12 |
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| bknudson_ | None of this is going to affect me since we've got deployment tools. | 18:12 |
| ayoung | should we require oslo-messaging, caching go bye bye | 18:12 |
| stevemar | ayoung: doesn't hurt it | 18:12 |
| jamielennox | the question is - is it just going to be easier to make oslo.messaging a direct depenedency | 18:12 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: we will want caching, we just want to use oslo.cache instead of the current thing | 18:13 |
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| jamielennox | notmorgan: against because of extra deps? | 18:13 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: so maybe wait until we move to oslo.cache, i don't have a timeline for that | 18:13 |
| gyee | swift has their own cache implement, just fyi | 18:13 |
| bknudson_ | moving to oslo.cache first makes more sense. | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | oslo.messaging is a big dependency and audit is not that widely used | 18:13 |
| jamielennox | i think the oslo.cache one is an easy yes | 18:14 |
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| dstanek | jamielennox: i think notmorgan is against using the in-memory cache | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | basically | 18:14 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: would you still be against it if we used oslo.cache | 18:14 |
| notmorgan | i am against defaulting to the in-memory cache | 18:15 |
| dstanek | -2 for in-memory cache from me - i'm fine with adding the deps tough | 18:15 |
| gyee | jamielennox, message is not a dependency on audit middleware | 18:15 |
| gyee | not a hard dependency | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | if we add the dep we need to make sure the in-memory cache is NOT used anywhere. | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | oslo.cache should be a hard-dep | 18:15 |
| bknudson_ | can we have an in-memory cache that only caches a few tokens? | 18:15 |
| gyee | audit middleware can send audit to the local logs | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | bknudson_: no. lets not even bother. | 18:15 |
| ayoung | OK..yes to deps on oslo cache and oslo messaging. No to in memory. | 18:15 |
| ayoung | Next topic | 18:15 |
| stevemar | ayoung: not quite | 18:15 |
| stevemar | yes to depends on oslo.cache, use extras for oslo.messaging | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | the extra deps don't really matter imo. | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | most everything uses oslo.messaging anyway. | 18:16 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I have to figure out how to map extras to RPM dependencies | 18:16 |
| bknudson_ | Does swift use oslo.messaging? | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | notmorgan: oh, yea, dump that asap | 18:16 |
| ayoung | I'd rather not use extras and just force the depends | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: "recommended" | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: or "suggested" | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | gyee: it's not a dep, but it's pretty useless without it | 18:17 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: or in RPM "required" | 18:17 |
| gyee | nope, swift does not use oslo.messaging | 18:17 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: extras is really only a pip thing, map it as a hard dep in the rp | 18:17 |
| notmorgan | rpm* | 18:17 |
| stevemar | gyee: swift doesn't everything different, quit looking at them for a comparison :) | 18:17 |
| gyee | jamielennox, no, you can still send audits to a log | 18:17 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, ok. THat works for this case | 18:17 |
| bknudson_ | I would guess swift wouldn't like us adding a dependency on oslo.messaging | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | gyee: why - auth_token already logs requests | 18:17 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: for the cadf event | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | gyee: also oslo.messaging has a log driver you an use to do that | 18:17 |
| gyee | jamielennox, CADF formatted logs, to a separate log file | 18:17 |
| notmorgan | bknudson_: if swift uses ksm in a deployment, installing oslo.* is already happening | 18:18 |
| gyee | jamielennox, oslo.messaging's log driver does not work for swift | 18:18 |
| stevemar | alright, next topic, i wrote the outcome in the etherpad | 18:18 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: why? | 18:18 |
| jamielennox | gyee: i mean - didn't i just fix that? | 18:18 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: moving on, and yeah, you just did | 18:19 |
| stevemar | #topic Should we add a "migration completion" command to keystone-manage? | 18:19 |
| gyee | jamielennox, swift uses proxy logger, which using systemd underneath | 18:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should we add a "migration completion" command to keystone-manage? (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:19 | |
| henrynash | ok | 18:19 |
| stevemar | henrynash: ^ | 18:19 |
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| henrynash | There are some migrations in Newton that could (if operations continue during a rolling upgrade) leave the DB in an incorrect state during a multi-node migration | 18:19 |
| henrynash | E.g.: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1596500 | 18:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596500 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Passwords created_at attribute could remain unset during rolling upgrade" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Henry Nash (henry-nash) | 18:19 |
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| bknudson_ | making keystone-manage more user friendly is a good thing | 18:19 |
| xek | I was thinking of annotating the migrations that have to be run as part of the "migrate completion" command with a decorator that would be used in sqlalchemy migrate scripts | 18:19 |
| xek | if you do a normal keystone-manage db_sync, everything should work like today | 18:20 |
| xek | but if you want to do a rolling upgrade, you would change this behavior by using new commands | 18:20 |
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| notmorgan | xek: so, what is the order of ops | 18:20 |
| bknudson_ | oh, this is rolling upgrades | 18:20 |
| henrynash | xek: in fact there is even a bit more than that | 18:20 |
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| notmorgan | xek: upgrade schema, upgrade code? | 18:20 |
| notmorgan | upgrade code, upgrade schema? | 18:20 |
| notmorgan | what is the required order to handle rolling upgrades | 18:21 |
| notmorgan | this still isn't clear to me, before we add new things | 18:21 |
| notmorgan | please set the order that is expected | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | i feel like we tried hashing that out at the midcycle for like 5 hours last time | 18:21 |
| notmorgan | i am against rolling upgrades without a clear target | 18:21 |
| henrynash | there is at least one migration that wants to have non-nullable column, but leabes it nullable to ensure we don’t get other errors durinr a rolliog upgrade | 18:21 |
| notmorgan | and remain against it. | 18:21 |
| jamielennox | yea, i think we would need to do a fair bit of work code side to make keystone hadnle different running database schemas to get this to work | 18:21 |
| gyee | we support rolling upgrade today? | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | gyee: no | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | i don't think we do | 18:22 |
| henrynash | yes we do | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: no we don't | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | absolutely do not | 18:22 |
| dstanek | gyee: if you cross your fingers it may work | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | code and schema must be in sync | 18:22 |
| xek | notmorgan, well, you need to upgrade the code first to get the upgrade scripts for upgrading your schema | 18:22 |
| bknudson_ | if we have cores saying we don't then we don't, since stuff is going to be approved that breaks it. | 18:22 |
| stevemar | gyee: we support upgrades, but not rolling ones :) | 18:22 |
| notmorgan | if you're super lucky and do limited things it may work with old schemas | 18:23 |
| gyee | right, not rolling | 18:23 |
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| notmorgan | xek: right i mean -- are you upgrading code everywhere, then schema? | 18:23 |
| notmorgan | xek: or is it "we make the schemas work in n-1 (or n-2) configurations"? | 18:23 |
| gyee | not for sql driver anyway | 18:23 |
| henrynash | I am stunned…we agreed we WOULD be doing this at the summit…and I thought Steve you confirm that on IRc last week? | 18:23 |
| bknudson_ | you could upgrade one system to the new code just to do the schema upgrade. | 18:23 |
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| notmorgan | bknudson_: that is why i want to know the planned order - so we can ensure we're developing for the right cases. | 18:24 |
| dstanek | i would say flow is (additive schema change; update code everywhere; contracting schema change) | 18:24 |
| stevemar | henrynash: that was the goal, but it looks like we shot ourselves in the foot with migration 105 | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | bknudson_: i'm not against rolling upgrades. | 18:24 |
| xek | it's not well tested yet, and I agree that there could be some braking changes, but I think it's beneficial to keep rolling upgrades in mind while reviewing, to bootstrap the process | 18:24 |
| bknudson_ | We're going to need rolling upgrade support otherwise our cloud is going to be useless. | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | so...rolling upgrade is a really reaaly hard thing | 18:24 |
| notmorgan | just against "adding things without the plan" | 18:24 |
| rderose_ | o/ | 18:24 |
| ayoung | I think before we hit it, we would need a test that does this: | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | look at the current version of the code and database | 18:24 |
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| jamielennox | dstanek: ++ you have to do code first otherwise you can end up with schemas newer than your code understands | 18:24 |
| henrynash | haveing a migration-completion task would always be required to ensure rolling upgrades | 18:24 |
| ayoung | then...upgrade one but leave the other at the old version | 18:24 |
| ayoung | and make sure things still run | 18:25 |
| ayoung | probabl "upgrade the database" | 18:25 |
| ayoung | and that...I think...means no data migrations. | 18:25 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: partially agree, i just want a test to make sure the model matches the migration | 18:25 |
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| gyee | I am with notmorgan, we need clear high-level goal on rolling upgrade first | 18:25 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, so we always write code that *can* work with an older schema? | 18:25 |
| ayoung | so..what would we upgrade from and to? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | mitaka to newton? | 18:26 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i'm pretty sure that's how this normally works, when you do a migration you need to ensure in code that there is still a path forward if the old schema is found in the database | 18:26 |
| ayoung | n1 to n2? | 18:26 |
| xek | ayoung, I'm working on grenade CI, which would downgrade the code to the last stable version and check if the schema is compatible and if resources written by the newer version don't cause problems | 18:26 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I thought we agreed we would uprade the DB (maybe in conjunction with one node’s code), then upgrade the otehr nodes to newton | 18:26 |
| ayoung | xek, so...what does Grenade consider as "last stable?" | 18:26 |
| notmorgan | xek: ++ good - so the plan is "upgrade schema" and roll code ? | 18:26 |
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| dstanek | can we hash this out at the mid-cycle? | 18:27 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: last release | 18:27 |
| dolphm | dstanek: ++ | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | dstanek ++ | 18:27 |
| samueldmq_ | dstanek: ++ | 18:27 |
| samueldmq_ | +++++++= | 18:27 |
| rderose_ | dstanek ++ | 18:27 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, so major releases only? | 18:27 |
| bknudson_ | what do we do until the mid-cycle? no migrations? | 18:27 |
| stevemar | dstanek: we can argue for another 5 hours, sure :) | 18:27 |
| ayoung | mitaka to newton? | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | we had a long discussion about this at the last cycle | 18:27 |
| dolphm | bknudson_: no migrations that clearly break rolling upgrade strategies? | 18:27 |
| dstanek | stevemar: i hope not. i'll have some thought prepared already | 18:27 |
| dolphm | bknudson_: additive should still be fine | 18:27 |
| rderose_ | lbragstad: but I don't know what the plan was | 18:27 |
| bknudson_ | ok, additive works for me. | 18:27 |
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| notmorgan | ayoung: i would never advocate otherwise. doing between other things is crazy | 18:27 |
| ayoung | so we need a test that runs master against Mitaka's migrations | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | we pretty much came up with a list of "disruptive" schema changes | 18:28 |
| dolphm | xek: are you going to be at the midcycle? | 18:28 |
| stevemar | dolphm: bknudson_ we still have henrynash's bug he reported | 18:28 |
| ayoung | That needs to be part of "check" | 18:28 |
| henrynash | so, we are in good shape (with a simple complete-migration step) to support mitaka->newton rolling upgrades with DB first with one node, and then upgrade the other nodes | 18:28 |
| xek | dolphm, I'll talk with my manager | 18:28 |
| stevemar | henrynash: i believe so | 18:28 |
| dolphm | stevemar: henrynash: the bug does not need to be resolved immediately | 18:29 |
| henrynash | dolphm: ++ | 18:29 |
| dolphm | stevemar: henrynash: it's just a red flag, there's nothing broken | 18:29 |
| stevemar | dolphm: nope, but it just leaves a hole in the plan | 18:29 |
| stevemar | dolphm: anyway, i get what you mean | 18:29 |
| henrynash | dolphm: and we are about to create another hole with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328447/ | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | it can wait for the midcycle, at least. we need a whiteboard for this again :( | 18:29 |
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| henrynash | similar thing, wwhere we need a migration-complete task to tidy things up | 18:30 |
| stevemar | henrynash: ready for your second topic? | 18:30 |
| gyee | stop creating them holes! | 18:30 |
| henrynash | yep | 18:30 |
| stevemar | #topic Domain hierarchies as an alternative to relaxing project name constraints or project hierarchical naming | 18:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Domain hierarchies as an alternative to relaxing project name constraints or project hierarchical naming (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:30 | |
| henrynash | ok, last attempt! | 18:30 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: domains must remain globally unique or we break api contract. | 18:30 |
| henrynash | so took dolphm/notmorgans suggetsions about domains | 18:31 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: they do stay unique | 18:31 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: name wise. but i'll leave off hierarchy complaints | 18:31 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: and let it happen if other folks support it | 18:31 |
| henrynash | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332940/ | 18:31 |
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| notmorgan | as long as they stay at the top. i still will say i dislike it and it opens a LOT of security concerns | 18:31 |
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| henrynash | and a dependant spec of: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334364/ (for simplicity) | 18:32 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: what do you mean “on top” | 18:32 |
| notmorgan | domains cannot be under projects | 18:32 |
| notmorgan | domain->domain ok | 18:32 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: ++ | 18:32 |
| notmorgan | domain->project->domain no | 18:32 |
| ayoung | agreed | 18:32 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: agreded. spec confirms that | 18:32 |
| notmorgan | and i'm going to ask for a thread analysis on adding this + UX review. | 18:32 |
| ayoung | so string naming on domains means we can compose domain names out of path segments? | 18:33 |
| notmorgan | threat analysis* | 18:33 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: yes | 18:33 |
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| jamielennox | i don't think i like this - it may just be my model but this is never how i thought domains should be used | 18:33 |
| dstanek | henrynash: i've wanted this since we were discussing HMT in paris | 18:33 |
| ayoung | helll, I think we can get rid of projects then | 18:33 |
| notmorgan | jamielennox: i agree with you. | 18:33 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, we should never have had domains | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | but lets kill projects and just use domains | 18:33 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: uhm.. except projects are not named globally unique | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | i mean we're going heavily down the projects everywhere path and now we kick up domain usage | 18:33 |
| ayoung | projects are legacy | 18:33 |
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| notmorgan | ayoung: and domains MUST be globally uniquely named | 18:33 |
| notmorgan | regardless of hierarchy | 18:34 |
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| gyee | lets just rename them back to tenants | 18:34 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, that is not what I just asked | 18:34 |
| dstanek | jamielennox: problem is that we pushed down the wrong path for too long | 18:34 |
| jamielennox | and from a UX perspective it will result in a LOT of cases where the USER_DOMAIN_ID and PROJECT_DOMAIN_ID are different and that will just confuse everyone | 18:34 |
| ayoung | what I just asked is | 18:34 |
| henrynash | jamielennox: well, their all just proejcts | 18:34 |
| raildo | gyee: lol | 18:34 |
| ayoung | so string naming on domains means we can compose domain names out of path segments? | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | so if D1->D2 then the name is D1/D2 | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | name is unique, but composed out of sections | 18:34 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: ugh, that would not be nice if USER_DOMAIN_ID was different than PROJECT_DOMAIN_ID | 18:34 |
| henrynash | jamielenniox: we allow that today, you can have assignements across domains | 18:34 |
| ayoung | so we keep the uniqueness, but add the ability to compose | 18:34 |
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| stevemar | henrynash: the number of times that is used approaches 0 | 18:35 |
| henrynash | ayoung: ++ | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | henrynash: you can do it today yes, but most people i talk to are surprised by that and no-one really does it | 18:35 |
| notmorgan | jamielennox: ++ | 18:35 |
| bknudson_ | Don't you have users in ldap and projects in SQL? | 18:35 |
| henrynash | jamielennox: I suspect that is true | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | partially because it's a difficult workflow to even find projects in other domains to assign permissions on | 18:35 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: i think multi-domain backends is going to get weird. | 18:35 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that is because we've made a gawdoffal mess out of it | 18:35 |
| notmorgan | but *shrug* | 18:36 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I've been asked about it 2-3 times in the last couple of weeks | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | also for every argument that domains can just be COMPANY-DIVISION-PROJECT to keep them unique - the exact same argument applies to project names | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | i still think just simply letting other services (asking other services) to be domain aware is better than weding in more HMT things | 18:37 |
| bknudson_ | tempest needs more multi-domain testing, and also testing with domain_specific_backends=True | 18:37 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I agree, but there is the whole "you promisd not to do that" | 18:37 |
| ayoung | we didn't promise, however, anything about hierarchial domains | 18:37 |
| ayoung | so they are still fair play | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | oh god, yea, and domain specific backends would have to play into this | 18:37 |
| henrynash | so I guess my ask here is that provided I can work out the corner cases, are we ok conceptually and compatibility-wise with this (somcething which I don’t think we true for either the other two proposals) | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, you know you have my support. I think we need an affirmation from dolphm and notmorgan. | 18:38 |
| henrynash | but I don’t want to keep working thorugh this if we are going to blowit out the water on a conceptual bases | 18:38 |
| notmorgan | i will not block this, i would still rather not to do hierarchical domains and just ask other projects to allow grouping of domains etc for quota | 18:38 |
| notmorgan | this seems like we're adding a LOT of extra cruft for supporting quota groupings etc. | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | notmorgan, but you agree it does not break any of our current promises? | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | notmorgan, I see it as us finally doing what we should have done in the first place | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | henrynash: i'm -1 just from a conceptual level, i don't think this is doing things the right way | 18:39 |
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| notmorgan | ayoung: if domains remain globally unique name wise -- and all current APIs return the same data | 18:39 |
| ayoung | we should not have two abstractions (domains nad projects) and projects should have been hierarchical from the get go | 18:39 |
| notmorgan | we aren't breaking promises | 18:39 |
| dolphm | my thoughts echo notmorgan's | 18:39 |
| raildo | we got some use cases in the last summit, like get ceilometer metrics in the hierarchy... this is something that just adding domain concept in other services will not be enoght... ++ for henrynash's idea | 18:39 |
| notmorgan | domains also should not be containers for VMs. | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | jamielennox what are the things you don't think are right? | 18:40 |
| notmorgan | that is specific to project(s) | 18:40 |
| henrynash | jamielennox: conceptually a domain is a name-space….why shouldn’t customer have more tahn one? | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | notmorgan, I can accept that for now | 18:40 |
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| stevemar | henrynash: they can have more than one, just another top level one | 18:40 |
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| notmorgan | henrynash: why does it need to be wedged under another domain? | 18:40 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: that is my question | 18:40 |
| stevemar | notmorgan: so they get one bill? | 18:40 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: rather than just giving them another top-level domain | 18:40 |
| notmorgan | stevemar: -2 for that reasoning | 18:41 |
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| notmorgan | stevemar: :P | 18:41 |
| jamielennox | lbragstad, henrynash: we've had people now for a while using things like the v3policy sample thing to do things like domain administration - i think that it is too big a conceptual leap to tell people now that domains can be used everywhere | 18:41 |
| stevemar | (i was just joking) | 18:41 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: since otherwise it would have to unique across all other top level domains…taht just won’t work in public cloud | 18:41 |
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| notmorgan | henrynash: why can't it be unique? | 18:41 |
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| henrynash | notmorgan: plus, we need to allow a customer’s admin to crud them without reference to the cloud admin | 18:41 |
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| jamielennox | i think it will confuse everyone, and there are things like domain specific backends and users owned by domains which make this too hard to sell | 18:42 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: I don’t know how to do that at the top level | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: so assign a customer "admin" that has access across domains | 18:42 |
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| henrynash | notmorgan: but the cloud admin would have to create each domain…..that won’t scale in public cloud | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: and crm solutions can map multiple domains to a single account | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | henrynash: we're adding tons of cruft in keystone that is a CRM issue. | 18:43 |
| bknudson_ | how does this work with domain-specific backends? | 18:43 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: how would you avoid the cloud admin being involved? | 18:43 |
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| bknudson_ | I haven't read the spec | 18:43 |
| notmorgan | wouldn't you ask for another domain via the CRM solution? | 18:43 |
| ayoung | I could see a pattern, though, where people used a common name for projects and used domain nesting for ecerything namespacey | 18:44 |
| henrynash | bknduson_: don’t know, haven’t thought that bit though yet | 18:44 |
| ayoung | like /d1/d2/d3/pro and /d4/d5/d6/pro | 18:44 |
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| * notmorgan shrugs. | 18:45 | |
| stevemar | i think this is an example of putting the cart before the horse, we are making a lot of assumptions about how things are deployed and how operators do things. i'd prefer to wait and get feedback, like, will they actually use this? | 18:45 |
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| notmorgan | i think dolphm and I are mostly on the same point for this. | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | next topic? | 18:46 |
| stevemar | the conversation has slowed down | 18:46 |
| henrynash | not sure where that leves this…you saying punt? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | is it me? | 18:46 |
| notmorgan | i think from a business logic standpoint, this could be automated as is. public clouds have extra mechanisms and toolchains that private clouds dont | 18:46 |
| ayoung | samueldmq_, you are up | 18:46 |
| notmorgan | and need it. | 18:47 |
| samueldmq_ | ayoung: just waiting for topic to change | 18:47 |
| stevemar | henrynash: i think you need more advocates :P | 18:47 |
| notmorgan | but like i said, i wont block this - i am voicing a general dislike of it, but will support as long as our APIs and prmises remain | 18:47 |
| stevemar | the last 2 topics are short | 18:47 |
| henrynash | notmorgan: understand | 18:47 |
| henrynash | ok | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | i'm still -1 but won't fight it if overruled | 18:48 |
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| gyee | my head still hurts | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | i think the conceptual model is wrong | 18:48 |
| ayoung | stevemar, change the topic. | 18:48 |
| henrynash | gyee: stay of the babysham | 18:48 |
| gyee | hah | 18:48 |
| jamielennox | and every time we hack around something to get it to work we end up supporting it forever | 18:48 |
| stevemar | i think we need buy in from ops, i want to make sure it'll be useful for someone before adding a metric ton of code | 18:48 |
| henrynash | stevemar: ok, fair point | 18:49 |
| samueldmq_ | stevemar: ++ | 18:49 |
| stevemar | handwavey usecases are OK for smaller features :P | 18:49 |
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| stevemar | #topic Migrate API Ref Docs | 18:49 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq_: ^ | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | samueldmq, nice work there | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | so... | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | you just lookinbg for reviews? | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | as everyone knows, we are migrating api-ref docs to our repo | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | I've put this to gather some love on those patches | 18:50 |
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| samueldmq | ayoung: yes | 18:50 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:50 |
| ayoung | I'll start looking | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | it's basically migrating the docs from api-ref repo | 18:50 |
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| ayoung | makes total sense. shoulda happened yeas ago | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | and then followup work will include updating them/making them better | 18:50 |
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| dolphm | samueldmq: it's been a couple weeks, but the patches i've looked at have been a little challenging to review because there's far more going on than just a copy paste from one repo to another | 18:51 |
| samueldmq | it'd be nice to get it merged, so we keep working on improving them | 18:51 |
| bknudson_ | the gate-keystone-api-ref link should work, but it's not working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322131/ for some reason | 18:51 |
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| dolphm | and it wasn't obvious wherever i stepped in how to review the (published / built) result of the change overall | 18:51 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: it's old | 18:51 |
| samueldmq | dolphm: it's basically copy&paste and minor formatting (such as removing lots of blanklines) | 18:51 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: 3 weeks now | 18:51 |
| dolphm | stevemar: can we just recheck it then? | 18:52 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: just just rebase | 18:52 |
| ayoung | dolphm, can we accept the changes in with some sort of caveat that they might have drifted from the imp? that is probably true now anyway of the old docs | 18:52 |
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| samueldmq | bknudson_: I will check on that with infra if ther's something wrong in our gate | 18:53 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: would be nicer for the first commit to just be a direct copy and then we can look at cleanups individually | 18:53 |
| stevemar | dolphm: rebased | 18:53 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: it's just an old build, they remove the results after a few days | 18:53 |
| bknudson_ | Also, I posted comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322131/ and they weren't addressed... not sure why I +1 rather than +2. | 18:53 |
| stevemar | bknudson_: the generated results do work | 18:53 |
| * samueldmq nods | 18:53 | |
| ayoung | This commit polish the results from the conversion and migrate the v2 docs to our repository under 'api-ref/source' directory. Missing parameters definitions were added. Polishing the generated RST files include: - Removing unnecessary blank lines; - Removing empty references. Polishing the generated RST files do not include: - Modifying their content; - Modifying file names; - Wrapping lines at the maximum of 79 chars. Updating the documentation | 18:53 |
| ayoung | will be done after this migration step. | 18:53 |
| ayoung | I think that is acceptable | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | need that to pass the parser, right? | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | bknudson_: I will look at it, sorry had missed your comments | 18:54 |
| stevemar | would the team be up for a 2 day sprint to get the API ref matching what we have in keystone-specs? | 18:54 |
| ayoung | stevemar, um...no | 18:54 |
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| stevemar | i think the nova team did something similar | 18:55 |
| stevemar | ayoung: :( | 18:55 |
| ayoung | 2 days polishing all of the v2 docs? | 18:55 |
| bknudson_ | the nova team did a sprint and it works pretty well | 18:55 |
| rderose | stevemar: I would :) | 18:55 |
| ayoung | I can't justify that | 18:55 |
| stevemar | ayoung: it would be the v3 docs and v3 "extensions" too | 18:55 |
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| samueldmq | ayoung: mostly are v3 docs | 18:55 |
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| stevemar | any other folks interested? | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: that'd be awesome to have | 18:55 |
| bknudson_ | guess what -- everyone still uses v2. | 18:56 |
| ayoung | is there really 2 days worth of work there for the whole team>? | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | bknudson_: it's true | 18:56 |
| samueldmq | I can split the migration in 2: i) move as it is (only fixing things that break) then ii) polish it (remove blank lines, etc) | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | we should spend time on this - it is important. | 18:56 |
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| dolphm | i'm happy to do reviews | 18:56 |
| ayoung | bknudson_, not based on RH product. We are pushing v3 due to Federation needs | 18:56 |
| ayoung | and domains | 18:56 |
| dolphm | as long as it's not next week :P | 18:56 |
| * samueldmq nods | 18:56 | |
| ayoung | 3 minutes...and a related topic... | 18:57 |
| stevemar | dolphm: okay i'll propose one for the week after next | 18:57 |
| stevemar | #topic Troubleshooting Doc | 18:57 |
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| notmorgan | ayoung: we can't only be concerned with single vendors involved in openstack we have to support all users [and this impacts end users, who are more important than specific vendors] | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | what about the week before the micycle? | 18:57 |
| stevemar | ayoung: ^ | 18:57 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: i'll send something out to mailing list | 18:57 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: that's the week steve is referring to | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | stevemar ++ | 18:57 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, just saying that "not everyone uses v2.0" | 18:57 |
| stevemar | i'll propose a day | 18:57 |
| stevemar | dolphm: indeed it is! | 18:58 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I'll be on Vacation that week | 18:58 |
| stevemar | ayoung: perfect timing! :) | 18:58 |
| ayoung | heh | 18:58 |
| gyee | lets get started on dolphm's keystone doctor already! forget troubleshooting docs | 18:58 |
| gyee | time to automate | 18:58 |
| ayoung | OK...last topic | 18:58 |
| dolphm | gyee: lol | 18:58 |
| ayoung | no need to changethe topic | 18:58 |
| stevemar | i did | 18:58 |
| ayoung | Troubleshooting docs | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | gyee ++ | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: 2 minutes on your topic | 18:58 |
| stevemar | ayoung: you're up bud | 18:58 |
| ayoung | We have an etherpad....what should we do next | 18:58 |
| stevemar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-troubleshooting | 18:59 |
| stevemar | let's populate it and move it to docs | 18:59 |
| ayoung | I think that Keystone troubleshooting is the #1 intterrupt I recewive | 18:59 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: get an officially published doc | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | can we make it a list of things we should check with keystone-doctor? | 18:59 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 18:59 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: both can co-exist | 18:59 |
| ayoung | do we want that in the Keystone tree? And as a single doc? | 18:59 |
| dolphm | ayoung: "why 401?' | 18:59 |
| notmorgan | convert to rst and get it on docs :) | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | stevemar cool | 18:59 |
| ayoung | It seems like a very fluid | 18:59 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: or we get another repo | 18:59 |
| ayoung | and constantly changing doc | 18:59 |
| notmorgan | which would make a lot of sense | 18:59 |
| stevemar | keeping in docs is OK to me | 18:59 |
| bknudson_ | the troubleshooting doc uses the keystone cli. | 18:59 |
| ayoung | could it ... go in the specs repo? | 19:00 |
| gyee | lot of them can be automated | 19:00 |
| ayoung | I know that sounds weird, but specs always seemed like "the pre-docs" repo | 19:00 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: maybe file wishlist bugs tagged with "doctor" or something? | 19:00 |
| stevemar | we're out of time! | 19:00 |
| henrynash | (time) | 19:00 |
| ayoung | I wanted them on the Wiki origianlly, as that is the right degree of responsieness, but Wiki dead | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | dolphm yeah - that would be a good idea too | 19:00 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| jamielennox | i think this make sense in docs, either call it FAQ or troubleshooting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 19:00:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| notmorgan | i'd probably add a new repo for this. generally useful things like troubleshooting, howtos, officially published (moved from blogs?) docs | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-06-28-18.00.html | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-06-28-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: i think we're going to have more ideas for things to check than time to implement them | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-06-28-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| fungi | anyone from the infra team around for another exciting weekly meeting? | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:01 |
| notmorgan | fungi: i'm... here-ish | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | rawr | 19:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:01 |
| inc0 | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | topics proposed by nibalizer, fungi, pleia2, clarkb | 19:01 |
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| fungi | pleia2 is conferencing though (i simply listed her on one because it's her spec) | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | others may be conferencing or at the tc's leadership seminar this week, so not sure what sort of crowd we're going to have | 19:02 |
| Shrews | the surly kind | 19:02 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:02 |
| nibalizer | hi | 19:02 |
| fungi | Shrews: that's every week though | 19:02 |
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| rcarrillocruz | o/ ish, on vaca | 19:02 |
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| hasharAway | will lurk as usual :D | 19:02 |
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| fungi | okay, well, let's get on with it | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 19:03:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #info Gerrit downtime on 1 July 2016 at 20:00 UTC | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-June/004463.html | 19:04 |
| fungi | #info Reminder: late-cycle joint Infra/QA get together to be held September 19-21 (CW38) in at SAP offices in Walldorf, DE | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 19:04 |
| fungi | #info Two new infra-core reviewers/infra-root sysadmins: ianw and rcarrillocruz | 19:04 |
| fungi | a hearty welcome to both of you! feel free to go ahead and propose changes to add yourselves to the relevant places in the system-config repo and hit me up for appropriate group additions after the meeting | 19:04 |
| Zara | \o/ | 19:04 |
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| rcarrillocruz | \o/ thx folks! | 19:05 |
| pabelanger | ianw: rcarrillocruz: congrats and welcome to both! | 19:05 |
| fungi | ianw and rcarrillocruz have been helping us out for quite a while, and i'm looking forward to what they'll be able to do next | 19:05 |
| SotK | congrats! | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | welcome, ianw and rcarrillocruz ! | 19:05 |
| fungi | i'll get an announcement out to the mailing lists later today as well | 19:05 |
| ianw | looking forward to helping out more | 19:06 |
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| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 19:06 |
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| olaph | congrats! | 19:06 |
| fungi | thank you both for volunteering for these additional responsibilities, and demonstrating your ability to get things done without them up to now | 19:06 |
| zaro | yay! | 19:06 |
| nibalizer | welcome! | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-06-21-19.03.html | 19:07 |
| mrhillsman | o/ btw | 19:07 |
| fungi | pleia2 send maintenance notification for static/zuul server upgrades 20:00 utc friday july 1 | 19:07 |
| fungi | that's done (linked during our announcements a few minutes ago). thanks pleia2! | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:07 |
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| asselin_ | rcarrillocruz, congrats! | 19:08 |
| fungi | when it rains, it pours | 19:08 |
| fungi | #info APPROVED Priority specs cleanup/update for Newton cycle | 19:08 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/ | 19:08 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval: PROPOSED Update Artifact Signing details (fungi) | 19:08 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/332968 | 19:08 |
| fungi | this is mostly minor updates to account for the fact that we're no longer using jenkins, but doesn't really impact the important details of the spec itself | 19:08 |
| fungi | #info Council voting is open on "Update Artifact Signing details" until 19:00 UTC, Thursday, June 30 | 19:08 |
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| fungi | mostly just wanted to get it through a formal vote since it includes some adjustments like a new job node naming scheme we discussed in #openstack-infra late last week | 19:09 |
| fungi | (using "ci" instead of "slave" now that we no longer have jenkins slaves for our job nodes) | 19:09 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval: PROPOSED Finglonger (nibalizer) | 19:10 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/310948 | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | this is mostly just rehashed from last week | 19:10 |
| fungi | looks like this has been updated based on feedback from last week | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | one proposal now, with some feedback from ianw and jhesketh | 19:10 |
| fungi | sounds good. ready to put it up for a vote? | 19:10 |
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| fungi | i'm assuming yes | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | i am | 19:11 |
| fungi | #info Council voting is open on "Finglonger" until 19:00 UTC, Thursday, June 30 | 19:11 |
| nibalizer | woo | 19:12 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval: PROPOSED Add wiki modernization spec (pleia2, fungi) | 19:12 |
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| fungi | i listed pleia2 as she's the author of the spec, though i'm the primary assignee | 19:12 |
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| fungi | this is already underway, so just wanted to get it up for a formal vote and recorded | 19:12 |
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| pabelanger | I haven't looked at this one. I'll do that today | 19:12 |
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| fungi | cool. you've got a couple days to register concerns | 19:13 |
| fungi | and we can always amend it later as needed too | 19:13 |
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| fungi | #info Council voting is open on "Add wiki modernization spec" until 19:00 UTC, Thursday, June 30 | 19:14 |
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| fungi | oh, forgot to link it | 19:14 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/328455 | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:14 |
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| fungi | i've updated the list in the agenda to reflect the new priorities list on the specs site, but doesn't look like we have any urgent discussion for them flagged at the moment. anybody have last-minute updates for one of these? | 19:14 |
| fungi | clark has a proposed priority addition too, which i'm reordering to be the next discussion topic | 19:14 |
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| clarkb | is that my cue? | 19:15 |
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| fungi | #topic Move testing of master to Xenial from Trusty (possible priority effort candidate) (clarkb) | 19:15 |
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| fungi | _that's_ your cue ;) | 19:16 |
| notmorgan | standby clarkb, go clarkb | 19:16 |
| clarkb | so ya Xenial images are being built, openstack-ansible and openstack puppet are both using it at this point | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | Ideally we would get everything using the default of ubuntu trusty to using xenial this cycle | 19:16 |
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| inc0 | clarkb, on that note, we should be good to move to xenial with kolla as well | 19:17 |
| clarkb | The tricky bit comes from how we want to keep testing liberty and mitaka on trusty but master/newton and future branches on xenial | 19:17 |
| clarkb | since we use gearman we need to make sure that on the JJB side we register jobs on both image types | 19:17 |
| clarkb | then on the zuul side we need to choose trusty or xenial based on the branch or other info | 19:17 |
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| fungi | there was one possibility discussed where we switch to different job names for trusty vs xenial jobs | 19:18 |
| clarkb | yes I pushed a change to mock that up | 19:18 |
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| fungi | and then filter those jobs by branch instead | 19:18 |
| clarkb | let me get a link | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/335166 | 19:18 |
| fungi | both solutions are ugly, so it's a matter of trying to decide which is less ugly | 19:18 |
| AJaeger | what about documentation jobs? Do we need this split there as well - or can we move them for all branches to xenial? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: in the past we have split those iirc | 19:19 |
| clarkb | but I would have to read git logs to be sure | 19:19 |
| fungi | yeah, _if_ there are tooling specifics/dependency pins which keep your earlier branches of documentation working, we might rbeak those by stuffing them all onto xenial | 19:19 |
| fungi | s/rbeak/break/ | 19:19 |
| notmorgan | so i think i like the name approach, there *may* be cases we want to cross-test <master> thing to trusty as a one-off job [ever]? | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | 335166 basically encodes the image into the job name, then in zuul we can separate them based on job name suffix. This is nice because it is very explicit and should be hard to confuse anyone over where and why their job is running there | 19:20 |
| AJaeger | I see little risk to doing all branches the same for documentation jobs. | 19:20 |
| notmorgan | clarkb: ++ | 19:20 |
| clarkb | the potentially huge issue with that is it doubles our job count | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | I like 355166 | 19:20 |
| fungi | though it doubles our job _name_ count really | 19:20 |
| notmorgan | the names are more flexible than matching strictly on branches. | 19:20 |
| AJaeger | but indeed tricky to figure out, fungi | 19:20 |
| fungi | it doesn't especially increase our job _registration_ count in gearman | 19:21 |
| notmorgan | we do have issues with that in general as is | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | fungi: correct, since we would register different jobs for each image either way | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | I have some concerns on the regex format for matching, but we can talk about that in the review | 19:21 |
| fungi | we have issues with teh job registrations in gearman, but they'd be roughly the same either way | 19:21 |
| * notmorgan nods. | 19:21 | |
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| clarkb | the alternative which we used with precise/trusty split is to have a zuul function implicitly determine tings based on job name nad branch | 19:21 |
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| fungi | basically from gearman's standpoint it's a difference between ubuntu-trusty:gate-nova-pep8 and gate-nova-pep8-trusty | 19:22 |
| clarkb | the nice thing about what we did with precise/trusty split is few people needed to think about the differences here and it mostly just worked | 19:22 |
| clarkb | but anytime someone started changing jobs it could get a little confusing | 19:22 |
| pabelanger | the only issue I see about adding node into the job name, is we'll likely hit the pip 127char limit for the interrupter. So we need to keep that in mind | 19:22 |
| fungi | adding jobs for anything that wasn't trusty or precise based got pretty painful | 19:22 |
| fungi | since you needed to update regular expressions in zuul's parameter function script and also be mindful not to accidentally reorder regex matches on jobs in the layout | 19:23 |
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| jesusaur | i think the precise/trusty split was pretty heavy on the implicit magic, it's easy to forget that openstack_functions.py is doing things | 19:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup, but those are still the a tiny minortiy in our jobs | 19:24 |
| clarkb | of our 8k jobs maybe a few hundred are affected by that | 19:24 |
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| fungi | so it had the benefit of keeping the jjb configuration simpler but made the zuul configuration bery complex, and often resulted in an infra-root logging into zuul and digging in debug logging and gearman registrations to figure out why things weren't firing or were running on the wrong nodes or were coming back not registered | 19:25 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb: we're at 9763 jobs | 19:25 |
| fungi | well, the vast majority of our jobs are configured by a comparatively small number of job-templates | 19:25 |
| AJaeger | indeed, they are | 19:26 |
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| fungi | so if you look at it from the perspective of job configuration surface area rather than expanded job list counts, they present a more significant proportion | 19:26 |
| clarkb | oh it was definitely an issue, I am just wondering if all of a sudden we hvae 20k jobs if we made anythin gbetter | 19:26 |
| clarkb | I really dislike both options available to us but can't think of a third | 19:26 |
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| AJaeger | a quick grep: 140 jobs and 410 job-templates are setup right now | 19:27 |
| clarkb | we will be trading confusion around gearman registration with confusion over why didn't any jobs run on my stable branch or why did not jobs run on my master branch | 19:27 |
| fungi | probably the biggest point using magic parameter functions has going for it is that we've done it once already so we know wher ethe warts are | 19:27 |
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| fungi | devil you know vs the one you don't | 19:28 |
| pabelanger | also, keep in mind, we don't have NOT_REGISTERED any more. So, it will be slightly hard to debug too | 19:28 |
| clarkb | I think either way there will be confusion over particular corner issues | 19:28 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: we don't? why not? | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | aiui the gearman side of zuul didn't change so we should still get those regardless of using zuul launcher or jenkins | 19:29 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: let me get review, but mostly because we have JJB tests in project config to do the validation now | 19:29 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: oh so zuul can still do it we just gate on not letting it happen | 19:29 |
| pabelanger | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327323/ | 19:30 |
| fungi | the thing i like the most about the job name mangling proposal is that it's easier for non-rooters to debug. when you look at a change on your project in an old branch you see what jobs ran and you can tell by job name what platform they needed to run on | 19:30 |
| clarkb | anyways I am happy to help implement either choice, I don't think we will be completely happy with whatever we choose so its a matter of picking one and making it work | 19:30 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: ya, we just added a config flag to enable / disable it | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | I should probably send mail to the list to get a larger set of eyes on this then we can maybe start implementing after feedback next week | 19:32 |
| fungi | so anyway, i'm leaning toward job name mangling this time around instead of parameter function script doing turing-complete tasks to decide what node type to use | 19:32 |
| clarkb | but I think we should consider this priority work in order to get it done this cycle | 19:32 |
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| fungi | yeah, i agree it needs to be added to the priority list and an ml discussion could probably help bring it to a wider audience (since we're missing a few people today) | 19:32 |
| pabelanger | I'm happy to help out were needed too | 19:33 |
| fungi | to make it "officially" a priority it will need a (very small) spec submitted outlining the plan | 19:33 |
| clarkb | can do that once we get a bit more feedback, there may be a completely different option here I am not considering | 19:34 |
| fungi | yep, agreed | 19:34 |
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| fungi | #action clarkb bring xenial default job transition discussion to the mailing list | 19:34 |
| fungi | anything else on this? | 19:34 |
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| clarkb | not from me | 19:34 |
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| fungi | thanks clarkb, for getting this moving | 19:35 |
| fungi | #topic Bikeshed on Gerrit account name for automated release tag pushing (fungi) | 19:35 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-06-24-14.00.html last week's release team meeting | 19:35 |
| fungi | in discussion with the release team about their automation goals, we weighed the pros and cons of reusing the existing proposal bot account to push release tags, or setting up a separate gerrit account for a release bot so we could limit blanket tag permissions to that | 19:35 |
| fungi | the account name we came up with is "OpenStack Release Bot <infra-root@openstack.org>" where the e-mail address matches the one i used in our artifact signing key | 19:35 |
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| fungi | #link http://p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x64DBB05ACC5E7C28&fingerprint=on&exact=on artifact signing key for newton cycle | 19:35 |
| fungi | the credentials for the account would be puppeted from hiera, as usual, and in thos case would only get used by the signing.ci.openstack.org job node | 19:35 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:artifact-signing+status:open changes to add signing.ci.openstack.org | 19:36 |
| pabelanger | looks great | 19:36 |
| fungi | just wanting to make sure there were no significant objections to that idea before i go create the gerrit account and add puppeting to install its ssh key and whatnot | 19:37 |
| nibalizer | yah seems fine | 19:37 |
| fungi | the current change stack doesn't add that yet since it was outside the scope of the artifact signing spec | 19:37 |
| clarkb | fungi: people will expect there to be bot code somewhere :) but name is fine | 19:38 |
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| fungi | yeah, we at one point a while back decided that gerrit accounts used by automation would have "bot" in their names | 19:38 |
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| fungi | in retrospect that has caused some people to assume there is an actual robot with articulated servo-operated appendages typing at the other end of the line or something, i guess | 19:39 |
| persia | The servomechanisms are virtualised. | 19:39 |
| fungi | right. maybe it just causes them to assume there's a single codebase which performs all the functions they see manifested on the surface as whatever the account name is | 19:40 |
| fungi | anyway, i'm not too concerned about that. we're usually pretty quick to explain that buance to people | 19:40 |
| fungi | er. nuance | 19:40 |
| fungi | my fingers are off today. must be a malfunctioning servo | 19:40 |
| clarkb | ya I think people expect they can run a single process and magically have signed releases :) but ya not a huge deal | 19:41 |
| fungi | sounds like no objections, so i'll move forward with it and let people scream later if it turns out they didn't like my choice | 19:41 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:41 |
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| inc0 | o/ | 19:41 |
| fungi | i know inc0 and mrhillsman had an interest in talking about the new osic resources some more? | 19:42 |
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| inc0 | yeah, soo | 19:42 |
| fungi | maybe finish fleshing out a plan to bring them online in nodepool? | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | i put a feeler out on the infra-list thread about the midcycle trying to figure out what the topics are | 19:42 |
| inc0 | we want to deploy openstack for infra, but we want to re-deploy it every now and then | 19:42 |
| fungi | nibalizer: saw that--great idea | 19:42 |
| nibalizer | so anyone with feelings on what topics should get worked on, would love some feedback | 19:42 |
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| nibalizer | (im on the fence for attending) | 19:42 |
| inc0 | that means, we need good way to quickly bootstrap whatever you guys needs on fresh openstack | 19:42 |
| inc0 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-redeploy-notes | 19:43 |
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| nibalizer | inc0: notably, we are not all guys | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: any gut feeling on whether or not we will have servers in a useable state mid september for the mid cycle? | 19:43 |
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| rcarrillocruz | I think infracloud and finglonger+automated infra deployments would be good imho | 19:43 |
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| rcarrillocruz | I assume so | 19:43 |
| inc0 | my bad guys, gals, better-not-to-tell and popsicles of various substance | 19:43 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: when is the move happening? | 19:43 |
| rcarrillocruz | Last I heard the move of racks will be end of July | 19:43 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: and a month or so is enough time for them to figure out networking again and passwords on ilos? | 19:44 |
| inc0 | rcarrillocruz, pardon my ignorance, could you please tell what infracloud and finglonger is? | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | I haven't dug into infracloud in the last 10 days. I was hoping to do so this week | 19:44 |
| rcarrillocruz | Finglonger you better ask nibalizer to link you | 19:45 |
| fungi | we actually have specs (one approved, priority; one proposed for approval this week) on them both, but quick summaries might be nice | 19:45 |
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| rcarrillocruz | Infracloud is hw donated by HPE to run our own cloud provider | 19:45 |
| inc0 | also, we can help you guys write any code or whatever is needed | 19:45 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/infra-cloud.html Infra-cloud spec | 19:45 |
| fungi | (for reference) | 19:45 |
| rcarrillocruz | Sorry if I cannot link you, typing from phone | 19:45 |
| inc0 | rcarrillocruz, well, we will deploy openstack | 19:45 |
| inc0 | so you'll get this part covered | 19:46 |
| inc0 | what I'd need is automated "clean openstack to infra-compatible tenants and stuff" | 19:46 |
| rcarrillocruz | Hard to tell clarkb, past experience is not on our side | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | rcarrillocruz: indeed | 19:46 |
| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-infracloud/ Infra-cloud primary Puppet module | 19:47 |
| fungi | (also for reference) | 19:47 |
| nibalizer | rcarrillocruz: will you go to the midcycle? | 19:47 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: if thats the case should we plan on doing that work during the midcycle? that is what I am trying to figure out | 19:47 |
| nibalizer | because if infra-cloud fell through, and we just hacked on finishing puppet-apply that would be worht it for me | 19:47 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: set some reasonable expectations so that people don't fly around the world for that hten find out it can't happen because raisins | 19:47 |
| rcarrillocruz | inc0: let's sync up next week on that initial cloud bootstrap | 19:47 |
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| inc0 | rcarrillocruz, sure, I'm usually on #openstack-infra chat so ping me whenever you have info | 19:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | I will try to go, dependa o | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | nibalizer: I haven't submitted my travel request for midcycle either. waiting to hear what topics we'll be focusing on too | 19:48 |
| fungi | in the meantime, we can definitely still work through manual bits | 19:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | On budget | 19:48 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: thanks for showing up! | 19:48 |
| fungi | have a good remainder of your holiday | 19:48 |
| inc0 | yeah, we can go manual and just automate it later | 19:48 |
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| fungi | but it definitely sounds like your goals and ours (with infra-cloud automated deployment) may be compatible | 19:49 |
| inc0 | anyway, could we get your eyes on etherpad so we'll at least figure out potential issues? | 19:49 |
| inc0 | yeah, seems like it | 19:49 |
| fungi | input from clarkb and nibalizer would probably be good since they've done new environment turn-ups in nodepool recently-ish i think | 19:49 |
| nibalizer | ish | 19:50 |
| clarkb | basically the best experience on our end IMO is the public cloud model | 19:50 |
| inc0 | yeah, I'd guess | 19:50 |
| clarkb | Infrastructure as a service works best if I don't have to care about hte infrastructure | 19:50 |
| inc0 | we care about infrastructure | 19:50 |
| clarkb | the bluebox model of semi managed semi not here have half an admin is more work on things that we don't really care about I don't think | 19:50 |
| inc0 | what we need is to setup and re-setup anything on top of clean openstack | 19:51 |
| clarkb | if you can hand us account credentials with networking already configured for sanity (eg provider networks) then we just point nodepool at it and we are done | 19:51 |
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| inc0 | clarkb, yeah, that won't change, but I think potential issue was to setup mirror for images and stuff | 19:52 |
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| inc0 | we can just try and figure it out as we go... | 19:52 |
| clarkb | thats not a big deal, we do that on our end with every other cloud and takes a few minutes | 19:52 |
| inc0 | so I guess "figure it out as we go" it is? | 19:52 |
| clarkb | yes | 19:53 |
| inc0 | fair enough | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | Ya, just tested it last week. No problems launching a mirror | 19:53 |
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| inc0 | cool, we'll get back to you then when we have hardware up and running | 19:53 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: which cloud? | 19:53 |
| fungi | tripleo? | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: tripleo-test-cloud-rh2 | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | ya | 19:53 |
| clarkb | ah cool | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | used launch-node.py, worked | 19:54 |
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| inc0 | cool | 19:54 |
| fungi | yeah, since the mirror servers are basically stateless, cookiecutter web server frontends to afs, there's not much to it i guess | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | Yup | 19:55 |
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| fungi | and we're at time | 19:59 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| inc0 | thanks | 19:59 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 19:59:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-06-28-19.03.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-06-28-19.03.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-06-28-19.03.log.html | 19:59 |
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| olaph | thanks fungi! | 19:59 |
| fungi | REMINDER: no technical committee meeting this week | 19:59 |
| notmorgan | fungi: awwww ... ok i'll just lurk here instead :P | 20:00 |
| edleafe | crap - what am I going to do for the next hour? ;-) | 20:00 |
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| notmorgan | rockyg: because... toiletpapering the channel seems childish :P ;) | 20:10 |
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| notmorgan | rockyg: lol | 20:14 |
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| edleafe | rockyg: no meeting, no need for tp... | 20:16 |
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| oneswig | Shall we get the show on the road? | 21:01 |
| julian1 | +1 | 21:01 |
| b1airo | yep | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | Morning b1airo take it away | 21:01 |
| b1airo | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 28 21:01:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b1airo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:01 |
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| b1airo | #chair oneswig | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 21:02 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #topic roll-call | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | hi everyone! | 21:02 |
| trandles | hello | 21:02 |
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| julian1 | Hi oneswig! | 21:02 |
| julian1 | \o | 21:03 |
| b1airo | #topic Agenda | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_June_28th_2016 | 21:03 |
| b1airo | -----HPC / Research speaker track at Barcelona Summit | 21:03 |
| b1airo | Spread the word! | 21:03 |
| b1airo | Review of Activity Areas and opportunities for progress: | 21:03 |
| b1airo | Bare metal | 21:03 |
| b1airo | Parallel filesystems | 21:03 |
| b1airo | Accounting and scheduling | 21:03 |
| b1airo | User Stories | 21:03 |
| b1airo | Other business | 21:03 |
| b1airo | ----- | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | Nice, thanks b1airo | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | Lets get started | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | #topic HPC/Research speaker track at Barcelona | 21:05 |
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| b1airo | tell your friends! | 21:05 |
| oneswig | After the track at Austin we get a thumbs up to run again | 21:05 |
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| oneswig | I am interested to know what people thought was missing from the content in Austin? | 21:06 |
| trandles | yay! I enjoyed the HPC/Research track as it brought together a lot of us with common interest. I think that ability to focus the community was missing in past summits. | 21:07 |
| oneswig | I wish we'd had a talk covering Lustre/GPFS for one | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Thanks trandles, agreed | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Got another talk in you Tim? | 21:07 |
| trandles | I think so. Working on titles and abstracts now. | 21:08 |
| oneswig | Great! Deadline was 13 July IIRC | 21:08 |
| trandles | getting approval for foreign travel is the difficult part | 21:08 |
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| b1airo | did we ask whether you're attending SC trandles ? | 21:09 |
| oneswig | in last week's discussion (EMEA time zone) an email was being drafted that people might be able to circulate in other forums | 21:09 |
| trandles | I'll +1 the lack of a lustre/GPFS talk. There have to be user stories around provisioning infrastructure in a scientific context that we're missing. | 21:10 |
| blakec | Tutorial and instructional content seemed to be missing from HPC track in Austin | 21:10 |
| oneswig | Hopefully, we can help people with a template for spreading the word | 21:10 |
| trandles | blairo: I don't have plans for SC this year | 21:10 |
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| blakec | i.e. optimizing nova for HPC workloads | 21:10 |
| oneswig | blakec: step-by-step this is how I did it kind of stuff? +1 | 21:10 |
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| blakec | Correct, even very entry level content... As Summit grows I suspect those talks have a wider audience | 21:11 |
| trandles | pulling blakec's tutorial thread, a lessons learned from someone like Pittsburgh where they're deploying HPC using OpenStack would be very nice | 21:12 |
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| trandles | during the Austin WG planning session, the ironic breakout basically turned into just that, Robert fielding questions about lessons learned with Bridges | 21:12 |
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| oneswig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/hpc-research-circulation-email Lets put together some points that can be shared to raise the HPC/Research speaker track profile | 21:13 |
| b1airo | agreed re. lessons learned | 21:13 |
| oneswig | If you're on other lists or groups, please consider mailing around to spread the wrod | 21:13 |
| oneswig | word... | 21:13 |
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| b1airo | i'm interested to know if people are actually optimising openstack (e.g. nova) or just the hypervisor and then making use of lesser known hypervisor features that can be exposed through nova | 21:14 |
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| oneswig | Our first order efforts at optimisation are all around SRIOV and RDMA for Cinder | 21:15 |
| oneswig | But we're just getting going really | 21:15 |
| b1airo | what sort of optimisation are you looking at with sriov oneswig (other than using it) ? | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | Just using it basically... We keep a VF in the hypervisor for Cinder and pass through the rest | 21:17 |
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| oneswig | I would be really interested in a discussion at the summit that brings together some of the recent conversations on the EMEA side wrt combining Nova resource reservations (Blazar) with preemtible instances. Seems far out but really interesting as a long-term goal | 21:19 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 21:20 |
| b1airo | right, i suspect other common hypervisor tunings such as cpu/mem pinning and numa topology probably make a reasonable bit of difference there too, but we haven't done any work to quantify that yet (been focused on cpu and memory performance mainly) | 21:20 |
| b1airo | +1 to e.g. blazar and opie | 21:20 |
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| oneswig | How could we help that happen? | 21:21 |
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| b1airo | at this stage i imagine it'd be more a matter of gathering supporters | 21:22 |
| oneswig | Agreed I suspect any talk that isn't purely hot air in this area may be two summits away... | 21:22 |
| b1airo | not likely to be anyone using it in the wild expect a few folks working on the dev | 21:22 |
| oneswig | (Plus there is the question of feasibility) | 21:22 |
| kyaz001 | hi guys, Khalil just joining | 21:23 |
| oneswig | Hi Khalil, we were discussion the HPC speaker track for Barcelona | 21:24 |
| b1airo | but having a lightening talk from some devs about how it works and fits in would be cool | 21:24 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: good idea, a session on future tech and wish-lists perhaps | 21:24 |
| kyaz001 | apologies for being tardy... do we have a list of topics? | 21:24 |
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| b1airo | kyaz001, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_June_28th_2016 | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Shall we move on to activity areas? | 21:26 |
| b1airo | sure | 21:26 |
| oneswig | #topic Bare metal | 21:26 |
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| oneswig | I'm interested in following the developments re: serial consoles in Ironic but have not got involved yet. | 21:27 |
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| oneswig | It's on my radar. Anyone using it? | 21:27 |
| trandles | I'm about to make an attempt at using it | 21:27 |
| b1airo | i'm just hoping to get some resourcing for us to start playing with ironic later in the year | 21:28 |
| oneswig | Through Ironic or side-band? | 21:28 |
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| trandles | I have serial consoles working side-band but want to swap it for ironic eventually | 21:28 |
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| oneswig | Same here, would be a great help to have it all under one umbrella | 21:29 |
| oneswig | What other areas of activity are WG members interested in wrt bare metal? | 21:30 |
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| dfflanders | would be good to have Chameleons opinion on this re baremetal as a service to researchers. | 21:31 |
| oneswig | dfflanders: good point | 21:31 |
| trandles | I'm interested in bare metal scalability issues but don't yet have a tested large enough to push the boundaries | 21:31 |
| trandles | *testbed | 21:32 |
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| oneswig | We have a problem I'd like to fix at the Ironic level: our NIC firmware seems to get upgraded awfully often. I'm wondering how we might use the Ironic IPA ramdisk to do this for us to keep the deployment nice and clean | 21:32 |
| dfflanders | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycJeWH8FjL0 | 21:32 |
| trandles | we will have some large clusters retiring in the next ~12-18 months though and I hope to get some time with the hardware before it goes out the door | 21:32 |
| trandles | ~2000 nodes | 21:33 |
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| oneswig | That's an awful lot for Ironic to pick up in one go! | 21:33 |
| trandles | indeed | 21:33 |
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| trandles | but it's a chance to identify problem areas | 21:34 |
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| oneswig | I recall Robert saying there were deployment races between Nova and Ironic that limited him to deploying small numbers of nodes at a time - and he's got ~800 nodes IIRC | 21:35 |
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| oneswig | trandles: how long will you have? | 21:35 |
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| trandles | it varies a lot | 21:36 |
| trandles | if there's no immediate demand for the floor space (and power, and cooling...) I could have several months | 21:36 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, have you reviewed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/host-state-level-locking ? | 21:37 |
| oneswig | trandles: I assume this is on-site and somewhat restricted but I'm sure I'd be interested to hear | 21:37 |
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| trandles | I'll keep it on the radar when decommissioning talk gets started | 21:37 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: not seen that but it sounds quite fundamental. My understanding of python's global interpreter lock and concurrency model fall short of this but I'm surprised that threads in python can preempt one another at all | 21:39 |
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| oneswig | Thinking of actions, we've shared some interests here and found some in common. | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | #action trandles b1airo oneswig we should keep in touch if we get underway with ironic serial consoles | 21:43 |
| kyaz001 | can you summarize the area of interest? | 21:43 |
| oneswig | kyaz001: Right now we are looking at the bare metal area of activity, looking at incoming developments | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | Many new capabilities in this area, many of which are interesting to many people on the WG | 21:44 |
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| oneswig | We ought to crack on, time's passing | 21:45 |
| oneswig | #topic parallel filesystems | 21:46 |
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| oneswig | Alas I've not seen much go by in this area but I had one thought | 21:46 |
| oneswig | Is anyone in the WG interested in putting up a talk on Lustre or GPFS for the speaker track? | 21:46 |
| b1airo | we could probably do one | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | I think one of the principal guys at Cambridge might be able to share a combined Lustre / GPFS talk | 21:48 |
| b1airo | though i'd make that dependent on getting one of my colleagues to work on the lustre bits | 21:48 |
| b1airo | that's an idea | 21:48 |
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| oneswig | The timezones would be a killer for planning but I think Cambridge could cover the Lustre side - and we'd get a benchmark bake-off :-) | 21:49 |
| b1airo | two quick tours of a HPFS integration and then maybe an open Q&A | 21:49 |
| oneswig | I'll check and report back. | 21:49 |
| blakec | We (ORNL) could contribute to the Lustre side as well. | 21:50 |
| b1airo | has some promise and judging from the wg sessions in Austin would be very relevant | 21:50 |
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| oneswig | Great, let's note that | 21:51 |
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| trandles | likewise someone at LANL is looking at deploying GPFS using openstack | 21:51 |
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| oneswig | #action b1airo blakec oneswig trandles to consider options for Lustre/GPFS talk proposal | 21:51 |
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| b1airo | blakec, your experience is with integrating Lustre and Ironic based compute, or have you done hypervisor based compute too? | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | Time for one more topic? | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | #topic accounting and scheduling | 21:55 |
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| blakec | With hypervisor - we have multiple Lustre networks (TCP for VMs, and IB for bare metal). No sriov | 21:55 |
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| b1airo | blakec, but all talking to the same filesystem/s i take it? | 21:56 |
| blakec | yes, that's correct | 21:56 |
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| b1airo | sounds interesting | 21:56 |
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| oneswig | My colleague in Cambridge has responded with interest re: HPC filesystem talk proposal, lets follow up on that | 21:57 |
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| oneswig | We've already covered much of the recent discussion on scheduling, was there anything from WG members in this area? | 21:58 |
| b1airo | absolutely - good iea oneswig | 21:58 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: thanks | 21:58 |
| oneswig | Time's closing in | 21:58 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 21:58 |
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| oneswig | any last-minute items? | 21:58 |
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| b1airo | coffee...? | 21:59 |
| trandles | yes please | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Sounds ideal! | 21:59 |
| julian1 | \o | 21:59 |
| oneswig | Hi julian1 | 22:00 |
| b1airo | stayed up way late gathering mellanox neo debug info :-/ | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | you too? :-) | 22:00 |
| julian1 | Hey oneswig! | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | Time to wrap up / brew up - thanks all | 22:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 28 22:01:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-06-28-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-06-28-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-06-28-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
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| b1airo | julian1, was that a question for oneswig ? | 22:01 |
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| julian1 | blairo: No I was indicating interest in coffee. | 22:03 |
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| b1airo | ahh :-) | 22:03 |
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| b1airo | excellent, i wish you well in that pursuit then. speaking of which, my machine is hot. till next time! | 22:04 |
| oneswig | later b1airo! | 22:04 |
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