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| sigmavirus24 | #startmeeting requirements | 12:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 12:03:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus24. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:03 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #info I started the meeting in the wrong place in the tradition of tonyb ;) | 12:03 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic rollcall | 12:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:03 | |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:04 |
| ramishra | wc | 12:04 |
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| prometheanfire | had to just reconnect to freenode, was lagging out | 12:04 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 12:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:05 |
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| coolsvap | doesn't seem like it most of the reviews have been -1ed if required | 12:06 |
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| dirk | not from my side | 12:08 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Going once, going twice .. | 12:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tasks from Etherpad (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:09 | |
| sigmavirus24 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:09 |
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| coolsvap | cleanup-cruft is done | 12:11 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Anything else? | 12:13 |
| coolsvap | i am looking advance cleaning options but no significant update on it | 12:13 |
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| prometheanfire | still need to look at better gating | 12:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | prometheanfire: will you be able to get around to that? | 12:15 |
| dirk | I want to help with that as well, but not within next 2 weeks | 12:15 |
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| prometheanfire | sigmavirus24: probably, tonyb offered to help | 12:17 |
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| sigmavirus24 | #action tonyb, prometheanfire, and dirk to look into better gating around requirements reviews | 12:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic Volunteer for next 2 meetings | 12:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Volunteer for next 2 meetings (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:18 | |
| sigmavirus24 | #info We already have volunteers to run the next 2, so I'm going to skip this | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 12:18 |
| dirk | +1 | 12:18 |
| coolsvap | sigmavirus24, prometheanfire can you back me up for next meeting? | 12:19 |
| prometheanfire | think I'm next or is that someone else? | 12:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think coolsvap and prometheanfire both volunteered for what it's worth | 12:19 |
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| sigmavirus24 | prometheanfire: No I think coolsvap is next | 12:19 |
| prometheanfire | coolsvap: sure | 12:19 |
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| sigmavirus24 | prometheanfire: the schedule is at the bottom of the requirements-tasks etherpad | 12:19 |
| prometheanfire | ya, coolsvap is the 6th, I'm the 13th | 12:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | #info coolsvap is running the next meeting on 6 July | 12:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | #info prometheanfire is running the meeting on 13 July | 12:20 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire, thanks I think there is a slight chance i will not be available on 6th and 13th both | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | just let us know | 12:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | coolsvap: if you can't make it, shoot me an email and I can run next week's too | 12:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | #topic Open Discussion | 12:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:20 | |
| coolsvap | sigmavirus24, sure I will let everyone know | 12:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | We're flying through this meeting since we're all so talkative this morning ;) | 12:20 |
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| prometheanfire | I decided to wake up at a more sane time, 6:55 | 12:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | Of general interest, the Kafka 1.x requirement problem with monasca is still being discussed on the ML | 12:22 |
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| prometheanfire | a few of the old caps have been increased, which is nice | 12:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | e.g., psutil? | 12:24 |
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| prometheanfire | anddjango | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | and django | 12:24 |
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| * sigmavirus24 nods | 12:29 | |
| sigmavirus24 | Ok, y'all seem like you're completely bored. So I'm going to call the meeting here | 12:30 |
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| sigmavirus24 | (Unless there are objections) | 12:30 |
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| coolsvap | sigmavirus24, i think we can | 12:31 |
| coolsvap | one more point is we need more discussions on channel | 12:31 |
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| coolsvap | so we will have more topics and points to discuss in meetings | 12:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'd love to see more discussion on reviews too. Core reviewers don't exist just to +2 or +2+W things. Their input is valuable even when leaving those reviews | 12:32 |
| coolsvap | we all mostly communicate in meeting | 12:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | As a core on other projects, I get nervous when reviews are approved quickly with little discussion of the change | 12:33 |
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| sigmavirus24 | And yes, I understand that requirements changes aren't inherently technical, but it'd be nice to see something more than fast approvals | 12:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Since coolsvap brought up communication) | 12:33 |
| coolsvap | sigmavirus24, i have raised this in the very first requirements meeting | 12:34 |
| coolsvap | and this is changing | 12:34 |
| coolsvap | we have more reviewers adding appropriate comments for -1s | 12:34 |
| coolsvap | and I take an effort to add comments for +2 wherever applicable | 12:35 |
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| coolsvap | the new core team is making good efforts | 12:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | coolsvap: guess I haven't seen many of your +2s | 12:35 |
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| sigmavirus24 | And since no one else is chatting, I'm going to end this now | 12:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | #endmeeting | 12:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 12:37:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:37 |
| sigmavirus24 | Have a good day y'all | 12:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-29-12.03.html | 12:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-29-12.03.txt | 12:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-29-12.03.log.html | 12:37 |
| coolsvap | thanks sigmavirus24 | 12:37 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:02 |
| Yipei_ | hi, joe | 13:03 |
| longxiongqiu | hi | 13:03 |
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| huangdongfeng | hi | 13:03 |
| joehuang | hi | 13:03 |
| joehuang | let's start the meeting | 13:03 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 13:04:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:04 |
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| Yipei_ | Dongfeng is a new postgraduate student of Prof. Liu | 13:04 |
| joehuang | hello, dongfeng, first time to meet you here | 13:04 |
| huangdongfeng | nice to meet you ! | 13:04 |
| joehuang | could you introduce yourself in short? | 13:05 |
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| huangdongfeng | yes,I major software engineering.and new to openstack these days. | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | welcome to join tricircle, hope you will enjoy it | 13:06 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:07 |
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| longxiongqiu | #info longxiongqiu | 13:07 |
| Yipei_ | #info Yipei | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | #topic feature development progress review | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | hello, there are several patches were merged these days | 13:09 |
| joehuang | and the specs of dynamic pod binding and cross pod L2 networking had been merged too | 13:09 |
| longxiongqiu | yes | 13:10 |
| joehuang | for the patches related to cinder-apigw | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | use tempest test cases to test is possible | 13:11 |
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| ajo | njohnston|sleep, ping | 13:12 |
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| * njohnston wakes up | 13:12 | |
| ajo | '':D njohnston :) | 13:12 |
| joehuang | first enable tempest in devstack | 13:12 |
| ajo | I have an issue with the nanny this afternoon, and I have no backup for kids, are you able to take on the meeting? | 13:12 |
| ajo | I can be connected, but not sure if 100% functional | 13:13 |
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| ajo | that depends on random little factors ;) | 13:13 |
| joehuang | by default it's disabled in local.conf.sample https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/devstack/local.conf.sample | 13:13 |
| joehuang | enable tempest | 13:13 |
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| * ajo apologizes, wrong channel | 13:13 | |
| joehuang | and then in https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/tempestplugin/post_test_hook.sh | 13:14 |
| joehuang | change "export DEST=$BASE/new" to "export DEST=/opt/stack" | 13:14 |
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| longxiongqiu | do you mean we can use tempest in our env by changing post_test_hook.sh" | 13:18 |
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| joehuang_2 | sorry, the connection was broken for a while | 13:19 |
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| joehuang_2 | then the test cases in https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/tempestplugin/tempest_volume.sh | 13:20 |
| joehuang_2 | will be executed | 13:20 |
| joehuang_2 | and change "export DEST=$BASE/new" to "export DEST=/opt/stack" too | 13:20 |
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| longxiongqiu | do you mean we can use tempest after adding enable tempest in local.conf and changing DEST in post_test_hook.sh? | 13:21 |
| joehuang_2 | so xiongqiu you can test volume type by uncomment the lines behind these test cases in tempest_volume.sh | 13:21 |
| joehuang_2 | yes | 13:21 |
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| longxiongqiu | ok | 13:22 |
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| joehuang_2 | line 42~44 | 13:22 |
| joehuang_2 | you can use this to test locally | 13:22 |
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| joehuang_2 | after this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329740/ the gate job merged | 13:24 |
| longxiongqiu | in locak.conf, it need to add enable_service tempest, right? | 13:24 |
| joehuang_2 | then our code can be tested automatically | 13:24 |
| joehuang_2 | yes | 13:24 |
| longxiongqiu | ok | 13:24 |
| joehuang_2 | just comment the disable tempest line | 13:24 |
| joehuang_2 | that means enable tempest | 13:24 |
| longxiongqiu | ok | 13:25 |
| joehuang_2 | it works in my environment | 13:25 |
| joehuang_2 | and found there are few test cases failed for volume_type, | 13:25 |
| joehuang_2 | we only test V2 api, V1 api has been skipped | 13:26 |
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| joehuang_2 | zhiyuan gave me a message, his network can't work well today, so he will not attend the meeting | 13:27 |
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| joehuang_2 | And Yipei, how about pod binding | 13:27 |
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| Yipei_ | about registering and loading a plugin from setup.cfg | 13:27 |
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| Yipei_ | i now can use oslo_config cfg to load options | 13:28 |
| joehuang_2 | you mean through entry point | 13:28 |
| Yipei_ | yes | 13:28 |
| Yipei_ | the entry_points are in setup.cfg | 13:28 |
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| Yipei_ | how to get the entry_points from setup.cfg? | 13:29 |
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| joehuang_2 | it could be discovered | 13:29 |
| Yipei_ | as long as register the opt in cfg? | 13:30 |
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| joehuang_2 | and install your package | 13:30 |
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| joehuang_2 | for example pip install -e . in tricircle root folder | 13:30 |
| Yipei_ | i think i did not install the package | 13:30 |
| Yipei_ | i see | 13:31 |
| joehuang_2 | and then use the command I sent to you in the mail-list | 13:31 |
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| joehuang_2 | you will find the entry point if all works | 13:31 |
| Yipei_ | similar to executing setup.py before loading the entry_point? | 13:32 |
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| joehuang_2 | no need to manually execute python setup.py | 13:32 |
| joehuang_2 | if you use pip install | 13:33 |
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| joehuang_2 | and Xiongqiu | 13:33 |
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| Yipei_ | ok, i will try | 13:34 |
| joehuang_2 | there are still lots VM/Volume operation need to implement | 13:34 |
| longxiongqiu | yes | 13:34 |
| joehuang_2 | you have lots of experience now | 13:35 |
| joehuang_2 | :) | 13:35 |
| longxiongqiu | i am working it | 13:35 |
| joehuang_2 | good, they are also high priorities working items | 13:35 |
| longxiongqiu | these days i have prepared examination | 13:35 |
| joehuang_2 | unerstand | 13:35 |
| longxiongqiu | after that , i will continue | 13:35 |
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| joehuang_2 | hope everything goes well | 13:36 |
| longxiongqiu | thanks. | 13:36 |
| longxiongqiu | :) | 13:36 |
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| joehuang_2 | Everyone can help on our todo list | 13:36 |
| Yipei_ | after i succeed in loading entry_point, i will try to design a filter and load it | 13:36 |
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| joehuang_2 | we still have lots of items to tackle https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo | 13:37 |
| joehuang_2 | Looking forward to your good news, Yipei :) | 13:37 |
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| Yipei_ | still have some problems | 13:38 |
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| joehuang_2 | NICK joehuang | 13:39 |
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| Yipei_ | when executing pip install, the entry_points in the setup.cfg will be detected? | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | will registered | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | you can read the book writen by Julien about entry point | 13:40 |
| joehuang | https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=B6nhAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT93&lpg=PT93&dq=julien+python+entrypoint&source=bl&ots=ArCmjHgGzG&sig=RTtDmtatzHXJTgW93ROYsARE_pk&hl=zh-CN&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF5eiirs3NAhWBFpQKHWXSB5gQ6AEIMDAD#v=onepage&q=julien%20python%20entrypoint&f=false | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | this is a quite good book about python, and Julien has ever been the PTL of Ceilometer | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | and create Gnoochi | 13:41 |
| Yipei_ | ok, i will read it | 13:41 |
| longxiongqiu | it is also a good resource for me. | 13:42 |
| joehuang | of course | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | great, other topics? | 13:42 |
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| Yipei_ | no for me | 13:43 |
| longxiongqiu | no | 13:43 |
| joehuang | and dongfeng? | 13:43 |
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| huangdongfeng | I am trying to learn about the openstack's components and tricircle.that's all. | 13:43 |
| joehuang | good | 13:43 |
| joehuang | let's end the meeting | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 13:44:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:44 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-29-13.04.html | 13:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-29-13.04.txt | 13:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-29-13.04.log.html | 13:44 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:44 |
| longxiongqiu | bye | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | thank you, see you | 13:44 |
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| Yipei_ | bye | 13:44 |
| huangdongfeng | en | 13:44 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 14:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Roll call, who's around? | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | I know that vkramskikh is on vacation | 14:00 |
| cardeois__ | Hello ! | 14:00 |
| msmol | howdy all | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Woo, people! | 14:00 |
| jaranovich | hi! | 14:00 |
| larainema | o/ | 14:00 |
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| yujunz | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
| yujunz | #info yujunz | 14:00 |
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| yujunz | seems not chaired... | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | Sec. | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | Agenda: | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-06-29 | 14:01 |
| * SotK watches | 14:01 | |
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| krotscheck | Chairs are myself and vkramsick at the moment. | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | Also, eavesdrop will list you as an attendee automatically | 14:02 |
| yujunz | Last week in Berlin. Sorry to missed the meeting. | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | Berlin is neat :) | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | #topic js-openstacklib design: ES5 or ES6 | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh was supposed to report back on researching the differences and nuances that come with writing in ES6 and transpiling to node/browser/es5 | 14:03 |
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| betherly | o/ sorry im late | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | I've done a bit of that myself. Best I can figure is that node4 doesn't really support es6, which is what we're currently testing on. | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | On my side I said last week that using es6 with babel was taking something like 300MB | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | but with npm3 it's not true anymore | 14:04 |
| cardeois | It's like 50MB | 14:04 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: NPM3's not packaged with node4,. correct? | 14:04 |
| cardeois | possible but you could in an alternative install `npm3` package | 14:04 |
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| cardeois | then `npm3 install` ... it's not perfect but if size is a matter we could use that | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | I'm afraid we can't. The constraints set on us by infra are "use a node LTS release". | 14:05 |
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| krotscheck | point releases tend to be a bit too volatile. | 14:05 |
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| cardeois | ok | 14:05 |
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| cardeois | so maybe vkramskikh know more about it and we could ask him next week | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | Having said that though, I was able to successfully transpile, test, and run coverage on an ES6 module. | 14:06 |
| cardeois | awesome ! | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | It's jasmine based, so that's as yet undecided, but the review is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/ | 14:06 |
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| yujunz | I'll have a look at them later | 14:07 |
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| krotscheck | Note that this review only does testing. It basically transpiles the source during require() before feeding it to the browser/test engine. | 14:07 |
| cardeois | me too, but is there any reason to have chose jasmine over mocha? Not sure here, but I think mocha could be run in command line with no browser (for the server side) so that could be nice | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | But it also successfully generates a coverage report for the original ES6 code, which is something I was worried about. | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: That's a different agenda item :D | 14:08 |
| cardeois | alright | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | I just used jasmine because it's what I was familiar with. the choice of jasmine vs. mocha is a separate discussion. | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | Alright, we still need vkramskikh to come back with his research on the topic. | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | But so far everything looks good. | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | Moving on. | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | #topic js-openstacklib design: What is server interaction approach | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333901/ | 14:10 |
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| krotscheck | There are no reviews on that spec, can I get commitments to review and comment on that spec by next week? | 14:10 |
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| * krotscheck would like to get to a place where we can write code. | 14:10 | |
| betherly | ++ | 14:10 |
| cardeois | I can try yes | 14:10 |
| yujunz | +1 | 14:10 |
| betherly | i can | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | Thank you everyone :) | 14:10 |
| msmol | I will as well | 14:10 |
| jaranovich | i'm going to participate in the review too | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | Please do. | 14:11 |
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| larainema | me too | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | The faster we get these reviewed, the faster we can write code, the faster we can ship :D | 14:11 |
| betherly | woot | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | (the faster we can put this into js-generator-openstack and autodetect your cloud during the bootstrapping process) | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Next! | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | #topick js-openstacklib design: Configuring the library. | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331801/ | 14:12 |
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| krotscheck | I just severely reduced the scope of that spec. Basically it now says: "clouds.yaml permits configuring multiple clouds, but since we can't predict whether that's somethign that's required, we'll leave the reading and selection of the cloud to the user" | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | I'm envisioning something like var api = new OpenStack(config); | 14:13 |
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| cardeois | What do you mean reading? The parsing of the file? | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | Yes. | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | And autodiscovery. | 14:13 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: If you do a diff on the spec's revisions, you can see what I ripped out. That'll explain it better. | 14:14 |
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| cardeois | Ok make sense, I guess if at the end it's a dictionnary that's very similar to clouds.yaml, there should be no problem with that. The user just requires a yaml lib for javascript and he's done. | 14:14 |
| cardeois | Ok will do | 14:14 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Right, or a json file that looks suspiciously like a yaml file, so you don't have to pull in 100KB of yaml parser | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | More reviews requested on that one. | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | Any questions on that one? | 14:15 |
| betherly | ill comment if i have any later. for now no :) | 14:15 |
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| krotscheck | #topic js-openstacklib design: Devstack testing | 14:15 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331359/ | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | Summary: Hey, we should gate against devstack | 14:16 |
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| tsufiev | good luck with that ;) | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | tsufiev: We'd love the help of an experienced horizon dev on how to set that up properly :D | 14:16 |
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| tsufiev | my jokingly tone was more related to devstack being not very stable sometimes | 14:17 |
| tsufiev | but of course, I'm exaggerating here | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | tsufiev: We'd love the help of an experienced dev to help make devstack stable :D :D | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | Does everyone agree that this is a good thing? | 14:17 |
| tsufiev | horizon integration tests recently have been runnign pretty well over devstack | 14:17 |
| yujunz | Yes | 14:17 |
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| krotscheck | oookay. Well, we'll land that as soon as we get two cores to agree. Does anyone want to take on that work? | 14:18 |
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| cardeois | I have no idea how to do that, but I can help, or get some help | 14:19 |
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| jprivard | if cardeois is in, I can be his second. As we are seated one next another, it's going to pair more easily | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: It will likely involve a patch to openstack-infra/project-config; the openstack-infra channel's a great place to ask for help. That project's also got plenty of copy/paste examples :) | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | jprivard: Awesome, thanks | 14:20 |
| cardeois | alright | 14:20 |
| krotscheck | #action cardeois and jprivard to work on creating a dsvm job for js-openstack-lib once the spec is approved. | 14:20 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois, jprivard: I'll be on vacation starting tomorrow, so asking questions will be easier via email. I'll do my best to respond quickly: krotscheck@gmail.com | 14:21 |
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| jprivard | noted! | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | Moving on | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | #topic js-openstacklib design: Node6LTS | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | Node 6 has been out since the summit, maybe we should start using it? | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | There's come concerns. | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | Not everyone uses node6 yet. | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | larainema was going to look at updating the npm-install macro in infra to permit us to select a different version of node. | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | larainema Any progress on that? | 14:22 |
| larainema | yes, I can install node6 on xenial | 14:23 |
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| krotscheck | larainema WOO! | 14:23 |
| msmol | node6 will be the current LTS starting in October. that's only a few short months away | 14:23 |
| larainema | but I have no idea how to leveage the old version | 14:23 |
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| krotscheck | msmol: True, however node4 will continue to live on as long as xenial is the LTS | 14:23 |
| tsufiev | would installing node6 break existing npm-based jobs, krotscheck? | 14:23 |
| krotscheck | tsufiev: The hope is that the macro will be parameterized with a default of 4 | 14:24 |
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| tsufiev | good to know :) | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | larainema: There's a way to make a macro take a parameter. I think you can search for it in macros.yaml and look for a name: something-{variablename} | 14:25 |
| cardeois | So if I understand properly, we want to use node6 but also be compatible with node4 right? So tests are run on both versions? | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | larainema: If you create a patch that just installs node6 instead of 4, we can investigate it together on gerrit. | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Well, that's part of the discussion | 14:26 |
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| larainema | krotscheck, OK, I will do it first | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | So the first question is: Should we support node6? | 14:26 |
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| krotscheck | I'm sure we'd all love to use all the awesome new features. | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | But, if our support target is node4, then we still have to transpile, so it might not be worth the effort. | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | Personally, shaking things up in Newton may not be a good idea. | 14:27 |
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| krotscheck | But then we're a new project, so it matters less. | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | (It doesn't really matter at all as long as we don't break horizon) | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | Thoughts? | 14:28 |
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| cardeois | True but if we use ES6 anyway is that a problem to transpile? | 14:28 |
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| yujunz | Is that to be answered in the first topic? | 14:30 |
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| krotscheck | I think so. We've figured out transpiling. | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | Or, well, I've got a draft of it anyway | 14:30 |
| yujunz | Even there is no problem, I think it will require some extra effort. | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | Since we've decided to be isomorphic, we're deploying to browsers anyway. That means ES5 | 14:30 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, seems like we're not reaching a decision on this one, and few people are engaged in the discussion. | 14:32 |
| cardeois | Yes so that means it would just be a babel configuration to add the node6 preset. If user are using old node he could use the es5 transpiled version for compatibility | 14:32 |
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| * krotscheck stands corrected. | 14:32 | |
| cardeois | We could report the subject for next week, I'm fine with that | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Is there a way to make that automagic? I don't want to ask someone to `npm install` a thing and then have to do additional configuraiton if they're running on node4 | 14:33 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, does anyone disagree with sending this project to next week? larainema can still do his work, as it'll be necessary. | 14:33 |
| yujunz | Agree to send it to next week | 14:34 |
| jaranovich | ++ | 14:34 |
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| krotscheck | Okies, next | 14:35 |
| cardeois | krotscheck to answer your question, I don't know... | 14:35 |
| krotscheck | #topic js-openstacklib design: Test Framework! | 14:35 |
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| krotscheck | Before we argue jasmine vs. mocha, does anyone have a problem with istanbul? | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | (Code coverage. | 14:36 |
| yujunz | No | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | reports look like this: http://logs.openstack.org/68/334268/1/check/gate-js-openstack-lib-npm-run-test/6c7e20f/cover/node/ | 14:36 |
| cardeois | Nope good to me if it works well with es6 | 14:36 |
| yujunz | I'm fine with istanbul | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | Excellent. | 14:36 |
| msmol | yep looks good | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | #agreed istanbul will be used for code coverage. | 14:37 |
| krotscheck | So: jasmine vs moca. | 14:37 |
| krotscheck | *mocha | 14:37 |
| yujunz | I'm more familiar with mocha, but ok with jasmine. | 14:37 |
| msmol | as for jasmine vs. mocha, it's really jasmine vs. mocha + all the other stuff jasmine provides that mocha doesn't (not necessarily a bad thing) | 14:37 |
| cardeois | As for jasmine vs mocha, for start we need to run tests for browsers AND node directly | 14:37 |
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| msmol | e.g. sinon | 14:38 |
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| cardeois | So are both framework able to do that? Like browsers could be handle by karma, and server would be a jasmine/mocha cli | 14:38 |
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| krotscheck | I'm going to paste something I got in email from notmars | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | "Jasmine is more monolithic/tight up, Mocha gives you all the flexibility you may want (assert style, async testing, mocking…). If we were a team immature new to Javascript, I would say Jasmine to avoid the quirks of adding dependencies and managing them. But as that is not the case, I have a slight preference for Mocha, even though we need to setup it right, first." | 14:39 |
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| krotscheck | This patch runs both browser and node tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/ | 14:39 |
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| krotscheck | (using jasmine and karma-jasmine) | 14:39 |
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| krotscheck | (evidence: http://logs.openstack.org/68/334268/1/check/gate-js-openstack-lib-npm-run-test/6c7e20f/cover/) | 14:40 |
| cardeois | I agree with that, I prefer mocha because we can choose what we want and how we want to test. Anyway mocha is the same syntax as jasmine | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | I expect that mocha will basically be the same. | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | I disagree that mocha syntax is the same as jasmine though. | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | Oh wait, wrong version. | 14:41 |
| krotscheck | You're right, syntax is basically identical | 14:41 |
| krotscheck | Does anyone know what fuel uses? | 14:41 |
| krotscheck | I know that all the other js projects out there (horizon, storyboard, openstack-health) use jasmine. | 14:42 |
| msmol | my problem with jasmine is essentially the same as what Bruno (notmars) said. it's monolithic/batteries included, whereas mocha we have the option to pick and choose the best tools | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | See, that's why I don't like mocha. Because we have to discuss and argue on what the "best" tools are. | 14:43 |
| krotscheck | And, quite frankly, bikeshedding is the death of open source. | 14:43 |
| cardeois | Yes, but to play devil's advocate, we have to choose, so it could end up with non ending debates or bad choices. We just have to be experienced enough | 14:43 |
| krotscheck | I'd rather have a monolithic, single dependnecy, and skip all those future arguments altogether. | 14:43 |
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| krotscheck | Fewer dependencies = fewer moving parts = fewer potential failures. | 14:44 |
| cardeois | +1 I actually changed my mind, jasmine is better for an opensource project. Mocha is fine for a little team that can decide fast, but for big team with new people coming every day, we might have to justify ourselve everytime somebody challenges the choices | 14:44 |
| jaranovich | no jasmine in fuel dev dependencies | 14:44 |
| jaranovich | but mocha is used | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | jaranovich: Gotcha. | 14:44 |
| msmol | krotscheck: very good point | 14:45 |
| krotscheck | jaranovich: Thanks for looking that up. | 14:45 |
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| krotscheck | One question: Has anyone here ever moved a project from jasmine to mocha, or back? | 14:45 |
| yujunz | Never... | 14:45 |
| krotscheck | I'd like to get a sense of how difficult the switch would be if we decide to go the other direction. | 14:45 |
| krotscheck | i.e. cost to change our mind :) | 14:46 |
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| cardeois | Didn't do it, but if there's external libraries to support jasmine asserts/mocks/etc that might not be hard | 14:46 |
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| cardeois | But code could be messed up with old/new way to do asserts, which is bad | 14:47 |
| krotscheck | timothyb89 might have an opinion, he just wrote karma-subunit-reporter. | 14:47 |
| timothyb89 | I haven't used mocha, but it does look very similar | 14:47 |
| msmol | never actually done it but I don't think it would be much of a pain to go from mocha -> jasmine. you can still use things like sinon/chai with jasmine, and slowly transition your tests to jasmine, whereas the other way around I feel it would have to do it all at once | 14:47 |
| timothyb89 | I could try rewriting stackviz's tests to try it out :) | 14:48 |
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| krotscheck | timothyb89: Naah, just trying to get as many people to pay attention to this discussion before I call a vote. | 14:48 |
| cardeois | That's actually a good point msmol, you can run mocha tests in jasmine, so transition could be progressive | 14:48 |
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| krotscheck | :D | 14:48 |
| tsufiev | +1 for jasmine if my opinion here matters, since it would ease the transition of horizon devs to js-openstack-lib, if that happens | 14:49 |
| krotscheck | Ok, talk amongst yourselves, I'm going to go figure out the voting syntax.... | 14:49 |
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| jprivard | talk? Huh, so bothersome | 14:50 |
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| krotscheck | #startvote Which testing framework should we use? Jasmine, Mocha, Abstain | 14:50 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Which testing framework should we use? Valid vote options are Jasmine, Mocha, Abstain. | 14:50 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:50 |
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| cardeois | #vote Jasmine | 14:50 |
| jprivard | #vote Jasmine | 14:50 |
| krotscheck | #vote Jasmine | 14:50 |
| larainema | #vote Jasmine | 14:51 |
| timothyb89 | #vote Jasmine | 14:51 |
| yujunz | #vote Abstain | 14:51 |
| msmol | #vote Jasmine | 14:51 |
| krotscheck | timothyb89, betherly, yujunz, tsufiev: Opinions? Disagreeing is not looked upon negatively :) | 14:51 |
| krotscheck | Oops, nevermind | 14:51 |
| krotscheck | need to type faster. | 14:51 |
| tsufiev | #vote Jasmine | 14:52 |
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| betherly | #vote Jasmine | 14:52 |
| krotscheck | That's definitely a quorum. | 14:52 |
| krotscheck | #endvote | 14:52 |
| openstack | Voted on "Which testing framework should we use?" Results are | 14:52 |
| openstack | Abstain (1): yujunz | 14:52 |
| openstack | Jasmine (8): betherly, timothyb89, krotscheck, cardeois, jprivard, tsufiev, larainema, msmol | 14:52 |
| krotscheck | Alright, jasmine it is! | 14:52 |
| krotscheck | Moving on. | 14:52 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Add permanent agenda link to eavesdrop.openstack.org | 14:53 |
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| yujunz | I proposed it, so I will do it | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | Excellent, thanks! | 14:53 |
| yujunz | I just forgot the link today and think it would be necessary | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | #action yujunz Add permanent agenda link to javascript meeting in openstack-meeting repo. | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | #topic Project Dashboard for work tracking. | 14:54 |
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| krotscheck | How do we want to track work? | 14:54 |
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| krotscheck | (5 minute warning) | 14:54 |
| yujunz | Linked to the agenda issue. | 14:54 |
| yujunz | I just can not find a start page for this group | 14:54 |
| * krotscheck said he'd set up a wiki a while ago, and never got around to it. | 14:54 | |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Set up a javascript wiki | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | From there we can link to StoryBoard, etc. | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 14:55 |
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| * krotscheck is on vacation starting tomorrow, so will have limited access. | 14:55 | |
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| yujunz | Comments required on IIFE removal | 14:56 |
| * betherly will be off monday and tuesday to deal with my house move | 14:56 | |
| yujunz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335318/ | 14:56 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz: I'm in favor. | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | Actually, that begs the question about eslint rules. | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | Anyone want to start digging into those and see if we can separate those rules into "node" and "browser"? | 14:57 |
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| yujunz | I can do it. | 14:58 |
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| yujunz | I've also encounter issues on eslint version. | 14:58 |
| yujunz | 2.4.0 in eslint-config-openstack vs 1.10.3 in js-generator-openstack | 14:58 |
| krotscheck | yujunz: Yeah, you can update that whenever you want. | 14:58 |
| krotscheck | We don't have automatic dependency synchronization yet. | 14:59 |
| yujunz | I would prefer move to 2.x | 14:59 |
| yujunz | since this is the default stable version | 14:59 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz: Go ahead :) | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | And we're done! | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Thankss everyone! | 15:00 |
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| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 15:00:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-06-29-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-06-29-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-06-29-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| SotK | StoryBoard time! | 15:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting StoryBoard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 15:00:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:02 |
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| SotK | I finished up the stuff I was doing for the controversial editing comments stuff | 15:02 |
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| SotK | the patches are https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333418/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333409/ if anyone is interested in seeing it | 15:03 |
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| SotK | I've also started looking at subscription to worklists again, with a view to complex priority (and notifications for worklists) | 15:04 |
| SotK | We had a bugsquash last week in which some bugs were squashed, and documentation improvements were begun | 15:06 |
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| * SotK isn't sure where Zara is up to with fixing ui bugs, she is ill today and I keep burying her in patches to review | 15:07 | |
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| SotK | I don't know of anything else actively in progress at the moment | 15:09 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:09 |
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| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:32 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-29-15.00.html | 15:32 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao | 16:00 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| cFouts | hi | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | ol | 16:00 |
| sheel | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #chair DuncanT | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: DuncanT smcginnis | 16:00 |
| adrianofr | hi | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hola | 16:00 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | I probably have to get going part way through the meeting, so DuncanT has been nice enough to offer to take over for me. | 16:00 |
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| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
| erlon | Oi! | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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| yuriy_n17 | hi | 16:01 |
| ntpttr | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Just the usual stuff today... | 16:01 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | I'd love to see some more of those drivers out of the way. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | We've gotten a couple through. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | I think there are a few more that are close. | 16:01 |
| alyson_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | And probably a few others that aren't going to make it. | 16:01 |
| zhanghao | hi | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | Still waiting on CI for several of the new drivers | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | If you have a driver up for review - please make sure you are responding to review feedback and making sure CI is running. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | That seems to be the biggest challenge for most of them. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle planning | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Please add any midcycle topics to the etherpad. | 16:03 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | And if you are going and haven't yet - please add your info to the etherpad for planning. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: You need all non-US folks' info, right> | 16:03 |
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| _alastor_ | Since the tintri site has been down for the past week, I've been building a tool to replace it. It's just a simple cmdline one to find the status of a Third party CI, but I'm taking feature requests | 16:04 |
| scottda | Yeah, security flagged it last time as a US state department rule... | 16:04 |
| scottda | But mainly for certain countries. | 16:04 |
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| scottda | Sorry about that. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: Awesome! | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Have you been getting everything you need on that front? | 16:05 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Yes, seems ok so far. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | scottda: OK, good. | 16:05 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: Would love to see that once you have it running. I think DuncanT would too. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:06 |
| tbarron | :) | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | _alastor_: Can we chat after the meeting please? :-) | 16:06 |
| _alastor_ | DuncanT: sure | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Blueprint discussion | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Just one on the list this week. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/feature-classification Feature classification blueprint | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Would like feedback from everyone if this is something desired. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | It's being done for Nova, but I'm not so sure about it. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | *click* | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Or at least don't have a clear picture in my head of what this means for us. | 16:07 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: we probably should wait and see how it works in Nova first | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | xyang: Yeah, that might be good to wait for it to be fully adapted there first and be able to see. | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | We only have 2 completely optional features (CGs and replication) but there are a few other bits (supported QoS options etc) that are probably interesting to somebody choosing storage | 16:08 |
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| eharney | it would be good to have a list of a few examples for this blueprint | 16:09 |
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| tbarron | don't we have more variation within a feature across backends than nova would? | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | tbarron: Potentially. | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang: ++ Seems good to wait and see how this plays out for Nova. | 16:10 |
| xyang | I think our support matrix looks much simpler compared to Nova’s | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Not sure if a spec would be overkill, but I would like more specifics. | 16:10 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:10 |
| xyang | just look at the current ones in wiki | 16:10 |
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| tbarron | and i worry about "eventual goal is to automate this list from some theird party CI reporting mechanism" when the 3rd party CI isn't yet reliable | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Doesn't this go along with other work that has been discussed in providing an automated way to show what drivers support what features? | 16:10 |
| scottda | Yeah, seems weird. These features actually work: xxxx, These features suck: xxxx | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: And part of that automation I planned with the interface checks I've added. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yep | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Hah, we'll make sure that's how it gets published. ;) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, so I am surprised that you aren't sure about it. What am I missing? | 16:11 |
| xyang | smcginnis: did you already have some driver interface check? | 16:11 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: yeah, get that going first | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Just the base functionality so far. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | But it should now be easy to extend that to generate the support matrix. | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | There's a new compliance job that verifies minimum required interface for all drivers. | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: THanks to your fancy driver interface work :) | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | Of course that doesn't verify they actual work right, but it at least makes sure all the right methods are there. | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | So this matrix will be backed by a CI run that tests all the drivers for the different features? | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Not yet. | 16:13 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: I mean like, is that the plan? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | I'll ask for more details in the bp, but for now I'm just going to leave it as is. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for all the input. | 16:13 |
| scottda | It'd be kind of embarrassing to list features we've tested vs. features we've merged, but not really tested and don't have good automted tests | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Very true! | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Speaking of which... | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | #topic Create from volume/snapshot fixes | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Hey | 16:14 |
| erlon | Hey | 16:14 |
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| erlon | So, Im trying to make a generic fix for all clone from volume/snapshot bugs. | 16:14 |
| erlon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333037/ | 16:14 |
| flip214 | erlon: what is the bug? that the size in the volume is not respected? | 16:15 |
| flip214 | but why does this change *remove* all the size changing code? | 16:15 |
| erlon | Just a scratch of the idea | 16:15 |
| erlon | flip214: yes | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | erlon: I was going to let you finish before bomarding you with questions :) | 16:15 |
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| erlon | jgriffith: thanks! :) | 16:15 |
| erlon | The ideia of the fix is to extend the volume (if it is bigger than the source) in the manager, not in the driver like some drivers are fixing the problem now. | 16:15 |
| erlon | flip214: so, remove the fix in the drivers | 16:16 |
| flip214 | erlon: the disadvantage is that it does an extra manage=>driver "context switch", which might affect performance | 16:16 |
| erlon | The problem is that there is some drivers that does not clone the volume using the smaller size, ie, they already clone the volume using the right size (like hemma's, LVM, may be others), so, an extend in the manager would break those drivers. | 16:16 |
| flip214 | understood. | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Sorry, I haven't looked, but I remember last time we discussed this there were some drivers that could more efficiently create the new volume at the larger size. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Does this account for that? | 16:16 |
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| erlon | flip214: why is this context switch? it doesnt seem to me that there is a context switch | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: The hang up with a generic fix was it wasn't easy to tell if the new volume was the right size or not without changing the driver method. | 16:17 |
| flip214 | erlon: "context switch" as in a REST or other API call to the underlying storage. | 16:17 |
| erlon | smcginnis: yes | 16:17 |
| flip214 | if the new size already gets sent along with the snapshot-restore it's more efficient | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | flip214: shouldn't be it's still in the manager | 16:17 |
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| erlon | flip214: there's no context switch, it happens in the context of the task_flow | 16:18 |
| erlon | flip214: it doesnt leave the task | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | erlon: can I make a suggestion? I don't want to interrupt you if you have more to say. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | erlon: OK, sounds good from a high level. I'll try to take a look later today. More likely tomorrow though. | 16:18 |
| flip214 | erlon: "context switch" as in an additional REST call to the storage driver that's being used to actually provide storage. | 16:18 |
| erlon | jgriffith: go ahead | 16:18 |
| eharney | the general idea here does fit how i would expect things to work | 16:18 |
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| erlon | One idea is to make those drivers always to create the volume of the size of the source, then a generic extend() would work for all. Other option could be have a flag in the driver/volume, so manager knows how the driver behaves in clone operations. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | erlon: so I have some concerns about pushing more and more in to the manager. This has created some issues for us in the past | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | erlon: that being said, I definitely see the advantage here | 16:19 |
| flip214 | +1 for the flag | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | erlon: I'd suggest we put the logic in the base driver | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | erlon: and NOT the manager | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | erlon: or in tflow manager for that matter | 16:20 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: it makes sense, | 16:20 |
| erlon | jgriffith: mhm, I have to connect the dots in this approach | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | erlon: so the beauty of that is that a driver can choose to override the call if they have a better way of doing it | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333037/ Proposed change | 16:20 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: +1 , i think base driver is the right place for this | 16:20 |
| erlon | jgriffith: the implementation in flow_manager seems more straight forward to me right now | 16:21 |
| flip214 | ah, so that would be a "restore-snapshow-with-new-size" API? | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | erlon: that's becuase you've never had to update or fix a bug in that layer :) | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | ;) | 16:21 |
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| erlon | jgriffith: ok, :), Ill figure out how to do it, Ill ping you if I have any blocker | 16:22 |
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| flip214 | erlon: thanks for the explanation! | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | erlon: I'm happy to help and talk through it with you if you like | 16:23 |
| erlon | flip214: no problem! | 16:23 |
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| erlon | jgriffith: thanks, ill spent some time thinking and get back to you | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Anything else at this point? | 16:23 |
| erlon | smcginnis: I think for me that is it | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | erlon: OK, thanks! | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | #topic Proposed cinder.conf changes for defining/configuring backends | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | patrickeast: You're up | 16:24 |
| patrickeast | hey | 16:24 |
| patrickeast | ok so, i put some proposals up for adjusting how we allow for defined backends | 16:24 |
| patrickeast | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/shared-backend-config | 16:24 |
| patrickeast | ^ has links to code and spec | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330767/ Spec | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/shared-backend-config Blueprint | 16:25 |
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| diablo_rojo | I've already looked over the spec and I think it sounds like it could help simplify the config file a lot | 16:25 |
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| patrickeast | i bring it up at the meeting mainly to get some eyes on it and as a heads up that folks don't like using DEFAULT for volume backends | 16:25 |
| eharney | i've _really_ wanted to fix this for a while now | 16:25 |
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| patrickeast | i know for myself and several others it has been a big pain for deployment tooling and just explaining how it works | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | We've talked about doing this before, good to see it moving ahead | 16:26 |
| eharney | but the approach i had in mind was the same one that Gorka suggested in the spec | 16:26 |
| e0ne | eharney :+ | 16:26 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: I'd rather we used the [DEFAULT] section | 16:26 |
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| patrickeast | ah yea, so i thought about that first | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I thought there were issues with that. | 16:26 |
| diablo_rojo | It would be good to get a little separation of volume backends options frm the more general options | 16:26 |
| patrickeast | and the main reason i didn't go down that path initially is that imo it makes thing *more* confusing | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Something with oslo_config or something? | 16:26 |
| geguileo | diablo_rojo: But then [DEFAULT] does not mean default | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | patrickeast: Yeah, DEFAULT isn't good. | 16:26 |
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| e0ne | IMO, we should implement such feature in oslo.config first | 16:26 |
| patrickeast | trying to explain that sometimes DEFAULT does what you want and sometimes it doesnt, depending on some other config option | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT | I'm not so sure about gorka's approach - there are some things that are system wide and don't make sense to be inherited per backend | 16:26 |
| * geguileo wonder how DEFAULT section would be confusing... | 16:27 | |
| eharney | everyone expects DEFAULT to mean "default", pretty much anything else is confusing | 16:27 |
| diablo_rojo | geguileo: Well it does, its just a more generic default. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: We did discuss this in Tokyo and decided to make it explicit in its own section. | 16:27 |
| erlon | e0ne: +1 | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | is just as bad as explaining when config items should go into backend sections or DEFAULT | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 16:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Driver defaults and other defaults. Kinda. | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | e0ne: yea, i looked at that too a little bit, i think maybe as a longer term solution to simplify the code we use | 16:27 |
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| geguileo | patrickeast: The idea would be that DEFAULT worked for everything | 16:27 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: Including backends | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | I'd call it 'backend_shared' rather than 'backend_defaults' to remove a little of the confusion, but that's bikeshedding | 16:28 |
| patrickeast | geguileo: right, i get that | 16:28 |
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| geguileo | So no explanation necessary | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | eharney: patrickeast hehe... I tried to fix it and FAILED... kudos patrickeast | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | We need to have consistent behavior. People have been confused about the driver sections and DEFAULT for a long time. | 16:28 |
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| eharney | jungleboyj: i'd rather fix it to have predictable behavior, we just have to be consistent w/ handling upgrades | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | Changing the semantics of DEFAULT is a serious upgrade pain point | 16:28 |
| eharney | consistent but confusing is not a huge win | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Good point. | 16:28 |
| patrickeast | geguileo: so the issue is that its not always the case... i've spent literally hours explaining to doc folks, deployers, and guys working on deployment tooling when config options need to go where | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | geguileo: and its like a cross release thing, backwards compatability aside | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | I think one of the points for a new config section is if something was in DEFAULT and not being applied, then you upgrade and suddenly that behavior changes, that could be bad. | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | geguileo: having to learn which version of openstack means DEFAULT does something different is confusing | 16:29 |
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| patrickeast | geguileo: so a new section that only exists in newer ones is, imo, less cofusing | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | confusing* | 16:29 |
| patrickeast | does that make sense? | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That is going to take thought to deal with. | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Can we deprecate the non-multi-backend style config file this release? So that we've option sin the future, whatever we decide for this/ It's a terrible idea to use it anyway | 16:30 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: I think it's as confusing, but I don't have as much experience as others, so... | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: +1 | 16:30 |
| eharney | DuncanT: please | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | there's a standard deprecation process for config options | 16:30 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: yea there is a patch up for that already | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | I was going to ask if there was a way to start migrating people and deprecating the options that need to be changed. | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | we could also put some logic in something like a cinder-manage tool or something maybe | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: There is? Awesome | 16:30 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: the shared config part is kind of a secondary patchset | 16:30 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335135/ | 16:31 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:31 |
| eharney | if we made the new config section [GENERIC] or something instead of default, and had it override [DEFAULT], we could just lean toward not having a [DEFAULT] section at all as we move forward | 16:31 |
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| eharney | would that be less confusing than DEFAULT + backend_defaults? | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: I'll go review that straight after the meeting, since it really needs to be in this release (because I odn't have a time machine to put it in the last one or the one before) | 16:31 |
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| patrickeast | eharney: dunno, we can try it out | 16:32 |
| patrickeast | anyone going to the ops meetup? | 16:32 |
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| patrickeast | we need a focus group XD | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335135/ Non-multibackend deprecation | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Would need to put thought into the name. GENERIC is confusing. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | eharney: What about options that are in DEFAULT now and need ot be common across backends? (like RPC driver options) | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I like your idea | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | [SERVICE] [DRIVERS] [backenda]... | 16:33 |
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| patrickeast | so one other option, not sure if i put it up as a alternative in the spec, is to just give up and do a versioned cinder conf | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | I thinked we be the only project NOT using default though. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | eharney: the only problem is in the naming, since every project uses "DEFAULT" it could lead to bad user exp | 16:33 |
| patrickeast | we roll out a v2 cinder.conf format | 16:33 |
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| patrickeast | and just do whatever we want to make it nice | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: Jinx! | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:34 |
| eharney | jgriffith: that's why i liked the other idea of adding an option to change the behavior of DEFAULT. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: XML based | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | JK! | 16:34 |
| patrickeast | noooo | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | eharney: yeah, that might be mo-betta | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | Do other projects all use an inheritted DEFAULT? | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | [DEFAULT] use_new_style_thang=True | 16:34 |
| patrickeast | alright, so i'll put up a patch that does that and we can play around with it | 16:35 |
| eharney | the problem with something like "backend_defaults" is that i think options in there that aren't really for backends/drivers will still affect things | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | Or at least nova and manilla? | 16:35 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: AFAIK, oslo.config doesn't support it. so there is no generic implementation | 16:35 |
| patrickeast | luckily this code is all pretty small... so we can try different things | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Shoot, gotta go. Can you take over? | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | Yup | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Thanks! | 16:35 |
| patrickeast | eharney: ah, so the implementation is only on the volume/configuration.py in theory only volume drivers are using it | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | All action items now assigned to me I guess. :) | 16:36 |
| patrickeast | eharney: or at least that is what is currently proposed | 16:36 |
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| eharney | patrickeast: deployers won't know which options work there and which don't | 16:36 |
| patrickeast | geguileo: i think its worth trying out the approach you are proposing | 16:36 |
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| geguileo | patrickeast: But do you think it will be better for users? | 16:36 |
| patrickeast | eharney: true, and i guess saying anything that worked in the multi-backend stanza doesn't really help much | 16:36 |
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| geguileo | patrickeast: Because what I think makes more sense may not be what users think | 16:37 |
| patrickeast | geguileo: ehh not sure, i'm not convinced either way is really great | 16:37 |
| patrickeast | but both are better than what we have now | 16:37 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:37 |
| geguileo | patrickeast: +1 | 16:37 |
| geguileo | I totally agree, either way is better than what we have now | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | Given we've got enthusiastic agreement for a change, shall we move on? | 16:38 |
| patrickeast | ok so i don't wanna take up too much more time, i'll code up a couple of alternatives (all this is a small amount of changes) | 16:38 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: +1 | 16:38 |
| patrickeast | i'll maybe put something on the agenda for the midcycle and we can pick a flavor | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | #topic Third party CI | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT | So I put this one on the agenda. Sadly HPE has temporarily taken up most of my time with non-cinder work and that will be true for several more months, so I've not been able to do any chacing | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | chasing | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | Some CIs fail instantly on every patch, some fail on most patches, some seem to have vanished entirely | 16:40 |
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| DuncanT | Several driver patches recently have 3 or more rechecks needed for a pass, every revision | 16:40 |
| e0ne | :( | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | I'm hoping _alastor_'s work can help highlight these cases, but something clearly needs sorting | 16:40 |
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| patrickeast | i wonder if its a symptom of the infrastructure getting worse, or just not being maintained? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | In my case it's just a matter of shit quit working :( | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | I'm not sure, I was kind of hoping some of the CI maintainers might chip in here | 16:41 |
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| patrickeast | so for mine, i think there is a problem with iscsi... somewhere.. | 16:42 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: Lol | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | haven't figured out exactly why... but a rewrite/redesign is in progress on my side | 16:42 |
| patrickeast | not sure if its my testbed or in cinder/brick | 16:42 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, Shit quit working and network reshuffling here. | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Cinder shit broke or random supporting shit broke? | 16:42 |
| _alastor_ | DuncanT: I haven't gotten rechecks yet. But I can certainly add it. Right now I've got features like "is-reporting within x days" and "number of reports within x days" and the like | 16:42 |
| fernnest | ours seems to broke on one test case. | 16:42 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, plus smcginnis rebooted something. | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: nothing to do with Cinder in my case | 16:42 |
| _alastor_ | DuncanT: also failure ratio | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Thanks, that's useful data | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: upgraded OpenStack, shit went flakie | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | IBM is converging all of our CIs to one lab and monitoring it more closely, so hopefully our results will be getting better. | 16:42 |
| * jgriffith needs to stop using the s word | 16:42 | |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Schoolboy error. Just run kilo and be happy ;-) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'm seeing things like threads dieing, and my nova instances puking | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | ie the instances running CI | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | puking as in shutting down and going in to Error state... | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Yuck. | 16:44 |
| patrickeast | ouch, what configuration are you using? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | yeah, I have obviously screwed something up | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: I actually switched over to using "real" bits | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | RDO | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | should've stuck with devstack :) | 16:44 |
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| patrickeast | oh interesting | 16:45 |
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| patrickeast | i'm using mitaka RDO for mine right now and its pretty good so far | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | honestly though, I'm sure it's something I have screwed up | 16:45 |
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| patrickeast | DuncanT: so, whats the plan to help bring up our 3rd party ci stats? | 16:45 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: just poke people to fix their stuff? | 16:46 |
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| _alastor_ | Weakest-link style gameshow? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: To start with. Some name & shame once we have the tooling. That has been surprisingly effective in the past | 16:46 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: definitely effective | 16:46 |
| patrickeast | _alastor_: hah, we could vote one driver off every week at the meetings? | 16:47 |
| _alastor_ | Oooooh, I like that. Scary though | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: Pick the worse performing two and make them fight for it | 16:47 |
| patrickeast | lol | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | I am sorry, you are the weakest link .... Goodbye. | 16:47 |
| erlon | haha, I remember those times | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: The video revenue can pay for the cinder social at the summit | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | Naming and shaming has always been effective. | 16:48 |
| * DuncanT has no shame | 16:48 | |
| jungleboyj | Some people need shaming to get their execs' attention. | 16:48 |
| patrickeast | in the past we've had efforts to improve the 3rd party ci infrastructure | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: So we have heard. ;-) | 16:48 |
| patrickeast | with the openstackci converged stuff being our golden ticket... | 16:48 |
| patrickeast | are there still issues with that? | 16:48 |
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| patrickeast | is there more work we can do there? | 16:48 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Yup. Emailing execs directly with email with 'I'll be shaming you very publicly in two weeks by pulling you driver and posting about why everywhere' was very, very effective | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: ++ | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: I think maintaining a CI system is just more effort htan many companies thing | 16:49 |
| _alastor_ | DuncanT: +1 | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Yep, it is. | 16:49 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: yea, but if we lower the bar more... maybe more won't require shame | 16:49 |
| patrickeast | like, if it wasn't such a huge pain | 16:50 |
| fernnest | DuncanT: +1, | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: The previous improvements came when all the people struggling started talking to each other | 16:50 |
| _alastor_ | I'm surprised more drivers aren't just lying about their results | 16:50 |
| patrickeast | _alastor_: it probably would be easier XD | 16:50 |
| _alastor_ | I think akerr/amead brought that up a few weeks ago | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: I don't know how else to encourage more of that, other than lighting a fire under people. | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | _alastor_: I tried to do some scraping of logs, but there are too many different formats etc | 16:51 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: yea, i guess maybe we should try and re-kindle some of the like 3rd party working group meeting advertising | 16:51 |
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| patrickeast | to try and get folks with broken ci's to work together to unbreak them | 16:51 |
| patrickeast | (myself included) | 16:51 |
| _alastor_ | DuncanT: I think the easiest way is to push a change that's obviously going to break stuff, but will pass normal Jenkins | 16:51 |
| _alastor_ | DuncanT: And see who reports success :) | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | _alastor_: That is an interesting idea. We have found issues that way in the past. | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | _alastor_: challenging but probably interesting, yes | 16:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | _alastor_: I like that idea. | 16:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: Just delete a bunch of important things. Simple. | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | I'd really like to expand what we test in third party (require LVM as well as vendor backend & test migration, for example) but that's pointless if we don't have working CIs | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | _alastor_: pass jenkins but break stuff? Wouldn't that mean something horribly wrong with Jenkins... or you mean actually manually break every single driver individually? | 16:53 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: ah yea, thats something up on my backlog | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | _alastor_: and break them in some way that their unit tests still work? | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It should be easy enough to remove/patch a method from every driver except the LVM one | 16:54 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: i'm planning to add instructions for multi-backend and multi-node 3rd party CI setups | 16:54 |
| _alastor_ | jgriffith: I can't remember specifics, but I remember ameade doing something that caused that perfect storm | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: famous last words :) | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: And monkey path it to pass unit tests | 16:54 |
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| patrickeast | i think you can just delete driver files... right? | 16:54 |
| patrickeast | just leave lvm? | 16:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: Thats what I was thinking | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It's never going to get merged... we can make it a coding contest, see how cruel and unusual people can be. Maybe get somebody to sponser a small prize? | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: *just* delete drivers, and unit tests? | 16:55 |
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| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: sounds fun :) | 16:55 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: no need for unit tests to smoke check which ci's are actually running the code | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: no no... the problem is jenkins won't pass | 16:55 |
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| patrickeast | jgriffith: | 16:56 |
| patrickeast | oh yea | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: I thought the lead in was Jenkins (or I guess Zuul now) passes | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Add a call to 'cinder.utils.explode' in every create method, and monkey path it out in the unit tests should do the job though | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:56 |
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| patrickeast | could add code into the volume manager to just raise an exception when it loads a driver other than lvm | 16:57 |
| patrickeast | or loads it from the config | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | Oh, the other thing I wanted to bring up is I intend to update the 'how to submit a driver' wiki page to ask you to put your CI name in the commit message for a new driver... I'm fed up of trying to figure it by hand. Any complaints? | 16:57 |
| scottda | I know what will work, but I'm not going to tell you all, so I can win the contest. | 16:57 |
| Swanson | As an aside could someone put a bullet in the brain of the Cisco PNR CI? Insta fail every time. | 16:57 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: +1 | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Two minute warning. | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | Swanson: I'll ask -infra to ban it | 16:58 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: it should include a link to their wiki page on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I think that is a great idea. | 16:58 |
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| DuncanT | patrickeast: That too, yes | 16:58 |
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| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: +1 | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT | Ok, that's time, thanks folks | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | patrickeast: +1 | 16:59 |
| geguileo | Thanks! | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 16:59:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-29-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-29-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-29-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 17:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | Hello everyone | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | As always the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on :) | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Multi-node Grenade | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | #info Now that Grenade is working and is a voting job, focus switches to multi-node Grenade for Ironic | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #info Some details on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #info First step is to get an experimental job added for just "multi-node Ironic" | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #info Second step is to make "multi-node Ironic" job work. This will likely require changes to networking and other things | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | #info 3rd step and onward will be to get "multi-node Grenade Ironic" to work | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | Any questions? | 17:05 |
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| sambetts|cat | As a note we need multi-node grenade to test partial upgrade | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | Yep! | 17:06 |
| * jlvillal wonders what "cat" means. Meow? | 17:06 | |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing of Ironic-Inspector | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grenade testing of Ironic-Inspector (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:06 | |
| * rloo wondered too but didn't want to ask :) | 17:07 | |
| jlvillal | I don't much about this topic. | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | I know that milan has been working on it | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | #info patches have been posted for getting Grenade to work for ironic-inspector | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | That's all I know | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | Anyone have more info | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor) | 17:08 |
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| vdrok | All I know is that it does not work yet :) | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | heh | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | I don't think krtaylor is here | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | sambetts|cat, Can you cover for him? | 17:09 |
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| mjturek1 | jlvillal: yeah he's on vaca | 17:09 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | One question I had. Is there a sort of standard command for 3rd Party CI systems to use for rechecking their jobs? I don't like "recheck" as that will trigger the normal Jenkins jobs | 17:10 |
| mjturek1 | jlvillal: our team has pkvm: recheck which only triggers our pipeline | 17:10 |
| sambetts|cat | its actually ideal to avoid having a comment starting with recheck because that will also trigger jenkins to recheck | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | mjturek1, Okay. So "blah: recheck" won't trigger jenkins? | 17:11 |
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| mjturek1 | I believe it doesn't | 17:11 |
| sambetts|cat | correct | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | Okay good. And thanks | 17:11 |
| rloo | jlvillal: might be worth asking anita if there is some sort of 'standard'. | 17:11 |
| sambetts|cat | the regex for jenkins is "recheck *" | 17:11 |
| mjturek1 | np :) | 17:11 |
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| sambetts|cat | third party CI must respond to a "recheck *" comment too, but it up to them if they provide an alternative one I believe | 17:12 |
| sambetts|cat | Support the following syntaxes: recheck, <system>: recheck | 17:12 |
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| sambetts|cat | From the third party docs | 17:12 |
| sambetts|cat | ^ | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | Thanks sambetts|cat | 17:12 |
| sambetts|cat | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | sambetts|cat, Any 3rd Party CI info to add? | 17:12 |
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| sambetts|cat | I belive the Stackalytics page has been brought up to date | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | I do notice some of these systems are very slow. I think I saw a Dell job that finally voted after the code was merged :) | 17:13 |
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| sambetts|cat | but krtylor and jroll (both away) have been working on that | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | And I think there was another system that was slow too | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | #info We believe the Stackaltyics page has been updated on 3rd Party CIs | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:14 |
| sambetts|cat | I believe the spec outlines that third party CI should return a result within 8 hours | 17:14 |
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| sambetts|cat | and by the end of O that will be within 4 hours | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | Okay. They maybe doing it in that time frame. | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | Should we move on? | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | I will take silence as a yes | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | #topic General discussion | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | Feel free to discuss anything | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | If nothing after 1-2 minutes, I will end the meeting. | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | Okay. Thanks everyone! | 17:18 |
| vdrok | just a request to review a couple of patches related to ipa partition image jobs: https://review.openstack.org/329625 and https://review.openstack.org/326061 | 17:18 |
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| vdrok | yep, thanks :) | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Thanks vdrok | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 17:19:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-29-17.00.html | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-29-17.00.txt | 17:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-29-17.00.log.html | 17:19 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 20:59 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 29 21:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| briancline | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:00 |
| mmotiani | Hi | 21:00 |
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| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| dmorita | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| kei_yama | o/ | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
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| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| kmARC | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | helo | 21:01 |
| sgundur1 | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | acoles_: torgomatic: ping | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | I'm guessing acoles_ might me getting back online shortly. might need to give him a few minutes :-) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | but before we get to the crypto stuff... | 21:02 |
| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 21:02 |
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| torgomatic | ohai | 21:02 |
| notmyname | the hackathon in san antonio is coming quickly. just a week and a half from now | 21:02 |
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| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:03 |
| notmyname | today I set up an etherpad to start collecting topics | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_SA_hackathon_2016 | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so feel free to add your ideas to that | 21:03 |
| notmyname | also, if you haven't booked your hotel yet, DO IT NOW! the room block is about to expire | 21:03 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: (are you here?) anything to add about the hackathon? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | any questions from anyone about the hackathon? | 21:04 |
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| dmorita | Do we have to get a car to get to RackSpace? | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | doesn't look like it | 21:04 |
| dmorita | Or shuttle is provided? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I'm told there is a bus from that hotel to the RAX office | 21:05 |
| dmorita | nice :) | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | dmorita: there is a shuttle if you stay at the aloft | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | it's not quite like acoles_ had for us in bristol, I think | 21:05 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: what's it like? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I mean, will it even seat all of us? | 21:05 |
| bkeller` | Do they have Uber out there? | 21:06 |
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| pdardeau | bkeller`: yes | 21:06 |
| tdasilva | does it run multiple times? | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, it runs on the hour, you just have to ask at the front desk, or call to get picked up | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | its a minibus, so probably seats 20 or so. | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | maybe less, I've never counted | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | if there are more they might run a little more frequent | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I'm goign to plan on using the shuttle and uber while I'm there and not get a rental car, FWIW | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:08 |
| dmorita | ok :) | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | if all else fails you can get a shuttle to the airport and hire a car | 21:08 |
| jrichli | I'll have a car - cause i am drivign from Austin. so i can take a few passengers | 21:08 |
| notmyname | the hotel is *very* close to the airport | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | I'm looking forward to it. coming right off of finishing crypto, it will be a great launching point, of sorts, for the next things :-) | 21:10 |
| notmyname | well, that, and I just really like seeing everyone at hackathons :-) | 21:10 |
| briancline | the folks working on crypto deserve an uberchopper ride | 21:10 |
| notmyname | any other questions (that I'll punt to mattoliverau and pdardeau to answer)? | 21:10 |
| jrichli | briancline: :-) | 21:10 |
| notmyname | briancline: lol | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on to crypto | 21:11 |
| notmyname | #topic crypto | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | acoles_: sent me a message saying he's having some network problems and will be on ASAP | 21:11 |
| notmyname | #link http://not.mn/swift/swift_community_dashboard.html | 21:12 |
| notmyname | that page has 2 links on it | 21:12 |
| notmyname | the 2nd is a nice dashboard that timburke made | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | IMO, crypto seems *really* close to landing | 21:12 |
| notmyname | acoles: hi! | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | acoles: just started the crypto topic. you didn't miss any of that | 21:12 |
| acoles | hi sorry, got myself tethered | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | acoles: did those people in bussels cut your internet connection already? | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:13 |
| acoles | seems that way ;) | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | acoles: can you give a summary of where we are with crypto-review? | 21:13 |
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| acoles | I think we are in good shape (although I have not checked for -ve reviews in last hour) | 21:14 |
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| acoles | Since last week we have addressed the concerns over etag encryption | 21:14 |
| acoles | and the concerns over constraints checking | 21:14 |
| acoles | and the final "last minute" change to have just 2 middleware filters (keymaster + encryption) looks pretty simple imho | 21:15 |
| acoles | and that will make config life much easier ^^ | 21:15 |
| acoles | So first four patches have +2s , then we have patch 328208 | 21:16 |
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| acoles | hello patchbot? | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | patch 328208 | 21:16 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328208/ - swift (feature/crypto-review) - Enable object body and metadata encryption | 21:16 |
| acoles | yay | 21:16 |
| acoles | that is the meat of the encryption feature ^^ | 21:16 |
| jrichli | nice! | 21:16 |
| notmyname | for the etag, we're now storing the hmac of the etag and using that for comparisons in conditional requests. it's a clever update that means we simplify some of the crypto code (no more derived IVs) and still support the full API | 21:16 |
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| jrichli | hmac was a great idea acoles. glad we have a better solution there now | 21:17 |
| notmyname | for the constraints checking, we're now storing user metadata keys encrypted in the [transient] sysmeta space. this means we don't have to worry as much about constaints being violated or overwriting the user namespace | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and the unification of decrypter and encrypter should make deployments easier for operators (less pipeline management) | 21:18 |
| acoles | so all eyes on that patch 328208, and I am primarily interested in whether we are making any mistakes in what we write to disk or how we do config i.e. things that are hard to go back and change | 21:18 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328208/ - swift (feature/crypto-review) - Enable object body and metadata encryption | 21:18 |
| notmyname | although there's a good question from mathias and response from timburke about it | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | acoles: right. other stuff can be changed later on master without worrying nearly as much about migrations and upgrades | 21:19 |
| acoles | oic, I will reply to that too, but IMHO the decrypter has to drive when the keymaster returns keys because only the decrypter understand when it is decrypting metadata from a POST vs data from a PUT | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | acoles: jrichli: although it's not in the docs (which is ok IMO), I'd like to add something to the CHANGELOG about "crypto should probably be enabled for new clusters instead of added to existing clusters". how do you feel about that? | 21:20 |
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| clayg | notmyname: +1 | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | (in addition to the lots of other words I need to write int he changelog about crypto) | 21:21 |
| clayg | but really as long as it gets in before the next *release* | 21:21 |
| clayg | it's just words | 21:21 |
| notmyname | right. that's what i was looking forward to. for whenever the next release happens. probably won't be right after the crypto branch lands, but I don't expect it to be too long | 21:21 |
| acoles | notmyname: it begs the question "why, does it break existing cluster?". We've worked very hard to not break existing clusters. | 21:22 |
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| jrichli | yes, i was trying to somehow say that we'd want to communicate that you *could* do it. I am not sure why we want to discourage it, TBH | 21:22 |
| notmyname | acoles: true. my reasoning is that adding it to a new cluster is the only way to be sure that all the data is actually encrypted. not that I expect it to break on existing clusters. just trying to give guidance about when to use it for best results | 21:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: so those words sound appropriate "adding it to a new cluster is the only way to be sure that all the data is actually encrypted" | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: ok. so something like "while you can enable this for existing clusters, best practice would be to create a crypto cluster and migrate your data" | 21:23 |
| jrichli | notmyname: i like that | 21:23 |
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| timburke | fwiw, i think there are two pieces missing that should make operators hesitate to turn it on in existing clusters: first, a process to go around encrypting unencrypted data, and second, some way of monitoring that process's progress | 21:24 |
| notmyname | yeah, it's similar to my thinking on "hey, you shoudl encrypt client side instead of trusting swift to do it for you; but if you don't here's this crypto feature we wrote for you" | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | a copy would encrypt right | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | ? | 21:24 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I'd prefer the recommendation around "whild you *can*" to be a little stronger | 21:24 |
| notmyname | I don't know the right words yet. I was just asking about the general idea to find everyone's comfort with that | 21:24 |
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| pdardeau | anyone have an idea how much extra overhead there is for encryption? | 21:25 |
| notmyname | I expect it to be a few weeks before I actually have to write the words | 21:25 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: non-zero | 21:25 |
| timburke | and if we ever get torgomatic's audit watchers patch landed, it would be useful for that second half, as well as monitoring progress of key-rotation (once *that's* implemented) | 21:25 |
| acoles | tdasilva: yes | 21:25 |
| clayg | I have *no* understanding of a use-case where you only want to turn on encyrpiton for the whole cluster - but only want to encrypt some of your data | 21:25 |
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| torgomatic | heh, I should resurrect that | 21:25 |
| notmyname | timburke: it'll be great in the future! | 21:25 |
| pdardeau | clayg: wouldn't the rma drives count? | 21:26 |
| torgomatic | last time I submitted it, though, it clogged up zuul pretty well, so I've been really hesitant to touch it | 21:26 |
| timburke | everything is gonna be just grand in the future! | 21:26 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: in seriousness, crypto is expected to have some degree of cost, but that hasn't been exactly quantified | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | clayg: I don't understand what you said | 21:26 |
| torgomatic | (and yes, it worked on my machine (tm)) | 21:26 |
| clayg | pdardeau: i'm looking at this - it's like *a bunch* - although I don't think it's the encryption as much as all the other stuff to support it (md5 in the proxy, footers, chunked transfer, mime-doc, etc) | 21:26 |
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| clayg | pdardeau: can't rma drives that have unencrypted data on them? so "upgrading" is non-sensical for that use-case | 21:26 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ^ | 21:27 |
| pdardeau | clayg: sure you can, but i thought that was the primary motivation behind adding it | 21:27 |
| clayg | tdasilva: about "upgrading" a cluster to encrypt "everything" is a mis-feature? | 21:27 |
| acoles | pdardeau: clayg: my measurements also showed the extra md5's to cost more than the encryption | 21:27 |
| clayg | or non-feature; depending how you look at it? | 21:27 |
| clayg | acoles: yes :'( | 21:27 |
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| clayg | pdardeau: I think encrypting everything as an operator feature is totally a thing - that's why I suggest you steal some capacity out of your existing cluster and plan a migration | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | right, because if only *some* of your data in encrypted, then you can't RMA any of the drives in the cluster because there might be plaintext data on it | 21:29 |
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| tdasilva | but you might not care about the data that is unencrypted | 21:29 |
| notmyname | then RMA anyway ;-) | 21:29 |
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| acoles | notmyname: all: so back to the near term (this week) - I need feedback on the change in patch https://review.openstack.org/335641, ideally in next 12 hours so I can squash it in (or not), then barring anything that is broken, I hope we are close to done. | 21:30 |
| clayg | tdasilva: maybe if you have some use-cases that are *not* on your swift because of lack of encyrption, and once you turn it on they can start using it - encyrption of the new data from the old use-cases is just ... for fun? | 21:31 |
| notmyname | acoles: right before the meeting I had said in -swift that aside from the few small comments in docs and that patch, I'm pretty happy with it all | 21:31 |
| acoles | notmyname: oic. thanks | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | clayg: yeah, that's what i was thinking | 21:31 |
| notmyname | acoles: I still need to grok the conversation on the unification patch ( timburke's reply). but yeah | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok, so here's a question for everyone, based on what acoles jsut said | 21:32 |
| clayg | tdasilva: ok, but I think that lends better to either standing up an *encrypted* cluster for those use-cases; or moving to encryption on/off per-policy | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | who here will expect to be able to leave a review on teh crypto branches within the next 12 hours? | 21:32 |
| * notmyname will | 21:32 | |
| timburke | o/ | 21:32 |
| * mattoliverau will | 21:32 | |
| * cschwede too | 21:33 | |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:33 |
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| mattoliverau | it is only 730am here, so I have all day :) | 21:33 |
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| torgomatic | I just left feedback before the meeting, so probably nothing new from me | 21:33 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: 6:30 for me ;) | 21:33 |
| * jrichli will review the most recent patch from acoles for sure | 21:34 | |
| notmyname | ok, great :-) | 21:34 |
| * mattoliverau is more east then the land of the rising sun.. i still find that crazy | 21:34 | |
| cschwede | kota_ and mattoliverau are cheating! ;) | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | acoles: so 12 hours or when all these people leave a review. whichever is first :-) | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | cschwede: :P | 21:34 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:34 |
| notmyname | acoles: and I'm expecting that there will likely be just one more patch chain push. then the final one should be able to get all the approvals and we'll do a merge commit. ideally on my friday | 21:35 |
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| acoles | ok thanks everyone, so that govesme tomorrow to process comments and then...yeah, that ^^ | 21:35 |
| acoles | gives me* | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | early next week, those of us in the US will be celebrating the anniversary of the first brexit, so might not be online (I'll be unavailable until my tuesday pm) | 21:36 |
| clayg | lol | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | brexit v1 | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | so let's get it landed by friday :-) | 21:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: have you been saving that one? | 21:36 |
| acoles | notmyname: "culturally insensitive holiday" ;) | 21:36 |
| notmyname | clayg: yes ;-) | 21:36 |
| cschwede | ymmd! | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone on crypto for this meeting today? | 21:37 |
| clayg | i'm freakishly dissappointed at my inability to find *BUGS* | 21:38 |
| acoles | clayg: PM me and I'll share a few | 21:38 |
| notmyname | clayg: have you met acoles? ;-) | 21:38 |
| clayg | I keep beating on it with all kinds of crazy chaos crap and and can't get any tracebacks | 21:38 |
| briancline | lol, first brexit. before it was cool | 21:38 |
| jrichli | its acoles's fault! | 21:38 |
| notmyname | for expectations-setting, after crypto lands, I want to get some of the other bugfixes landed and some things waiting like the container sync updates. then after that do a release | 21:39 |
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| acoles | I'm just the editor, I just type what timburke dictates ;) | 21:39 |
| clayg | the closest I got was filling up my drives and getting some currpt metadata that seems to makes the objects unreadable; haven't quite sussed that one out - but christ - the drives were out of bytes | 21:39 |
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| jrichli | lol. timburke rulz | 21:39 |
| clayg | all hail timburke ! | 21:39 |
| timburke | clayg clearly should have gotten involved earlier :P | 21:39 |
| acoles | notmyname: did the api docs land yet? | 21:39 |
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| clayg | no - this is perfect | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | acoles: no. that's another thing. I'll look at those later this afternoon, in fact | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ok, that's all that's on the agenda for this week | 21:40 |
| notmyname | thank you, everyone, for reviewing the crypto work | 21:40 |
| notmyname | and thanks expecially to acoles for managing it and timburke and jrichli for pouring so much work into it | 21:40 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 29 21:41:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-29-21.00.txt | 21:41 |
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| timburke | ending early! whoa! | 21:41 |
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| mattoliverau | \o/ earlier breakfast! | 21:41 |
| cschwede | sleep! | 21:41 |
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