Thursday, 2016-06-09

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masahito_hi all00:02
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ekcshi00:02
ramineni_hi00:02
masahito_I heard thinrichs is out of town this week.00:02
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thinrichsmasahito_: I'll be here for the first few minutes00:03
thinrichsmasahito_: so go ahead and run the meeting00:03
masahito_thinrichs: oh,00:03
masahito_#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:04
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masahito_Today's agenda are:00:04
ekcshaha =)00:04
masahito_1. newton-1 release00:05
masahito_2. status update00:05
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masahito_something else?00:05
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ekcsI was hoping we could settle some HA design decisions, but maybe not witout thinrichs00:06
masahito_let's move on newton-1 release00:06
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masahito_ekcs: ok00:06
masahito_#topic newton-1 release00:07
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thinrichsIf we can make progress on HA in 10-15 minutes, I'll be here at least that long.00:07
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thinrichsekcs: is that enough time to be valuable?00:07
ekcsthinrichs: I tihnk so.00:07
thinrichsmasahito: would it be okay to start with the HA discussion topic?00:08
masahito_thinrichs: sure00:08
masahito_#topic HA design00:08
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ekcsok so I summarized the main decision points in my latest comments. Here’s the short version:00:09
ekcsA. node configurations:00:09
ekcs1. single node-type (every node has API+PE+DSDs).00:09
ekcs2. two node-types (API+PE nodes, all-DSDs node).00:09
ekcs3. many node-types (API+PE nodes, all DSDs in separate nodes).00:09
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ekcsB. global vs local leader for action execution00:10
ekcs1. global leader: Pacemaker anoints a global leader among PE instances; only the leader sends action-execution requests.00:10
ekcs2. local leader: every PE instance sends action-execution requests, but each receiving DSD locally picks a leader to listen to.00:10
ekcsC. DSD redundancy:00:10
ekcs1. warm standby: only one set of DSDs running at a given time; backup instances ready to launch.00:10
ekcs2. hot standby: multiple instances running, but only one set is active.00:10
ekcs3. active-active: multiple instances active.00:10
ekcsIn the comment in spec discussion I also had my take on the decisions. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318383/00:11
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ekcsIf we have thoughts here, we may be able to more or less settle them.00:11
ekcsif not, we can do it offline.00:11
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ekcsmy suggestion is: A2 (two node-types), B2 (local leader), C1 (DSD warm standby)00:13
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thinrichsIs A2 saying multiple API+PE nodes (for HT) and a single DSD node?  All with nannies to restart.00:14
ekcsyes. though restart may be on a different node (managed by pacemaker)00:14
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thinrichsC1 (DSD warm standby) sounds right00:15
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thinrichsA2 seems right too.00:16
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thinrichsIs B2 (local leader election) easier to implement?  Or … why B2 instead of B1 (briefly)?00:17
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ramineni_im also in favor of A2 , C1 , local leader sounds good too, as i think it can be isolated just for action execution00:18
thinrichsWe'd need leader election in both cases, right?  The difference is just where it's implemented.00:18
thinrichsAnd I'm all in favor of leaving the complexity of action-execution in the PE alone.00:18
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ekcsI think it’s about the same dev work: API calls and custom resource agents for global. Some new logic in DSD for local. The difference is that with local leader, the deployer doesn’t need to know about leader election.00:18
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ekcsthe PE doesn’t even know it’s a leader or follower.00:19
ramineni_ekcs: global leader can also be elected only where thereis action request00:19
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ramineni_ekcs: or it should be done when PE starts00:19
ekcs“leadership” is only local to each DSD.00:19
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ekcson deployment, local leadership is transparent to the deployer. and it doesn’t require any quorum taking.00:20
ekcsramineni_: it could probably be done either way. though doing at the very start makes sense for global leader I think.00:20
thinrichsI would think leadership is transparent in both cases.  There's just an API that sets the leader, and that message gets routed either to the PEs or to the DSDs.00:21
ekcsno quorum reqired because the decision is entirely made by the single DSD instance.00:22
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thinrichsSo it sorts them or something to pick a leader.  That's cool.  If we can avoid leader election, I would definitely vote for that one.00:22
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ramineni_ekcs: ya, but in that case can we track  its the action execution , and only leader executes and in rest other cases it acts as active/active(without any leader)00:23
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ekcsthinrichs: yes exactly. it’s not actual leader election.00:23
thinrichsI've got to run, but based on what I hear I agree with ekcs's suggested path forward.00:24
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ekcslater thinrichs00:24
thinrichsekcs: hmmm…one other thought though.  How does the DSDs know what the list of PEs actually are?00:24
ramineni_thinrichs: it cAN be tracked via control bus peer status00:25
ekcsthinrichs: it doesn’t. it can just pick the first one it hears from. and stick with it until it loses contact.00:25
thinrichsIf A is the leader, and the DSD is ignoring all action executions from B and C, and then A dies, the DSD needs to know about B and C00:25
thinrichsok00:25
thinrichsThe one other thing I'd think through is mitigating technical risk.00:25
ekcsthinrichs: DSD will continue to receive messages from all leaders.00:25
ekcss/all leaders/ass PEs00:25
thinrichsWe want to have a solution that we can implement somewhat incrementally00:25
ekcsugh.00:25
thinrichsBut I think you've probably thought through that.00:26
thinrichsGot to run.  I'll check out the meeting logs afterwards.00:26
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ekcsmore thoughts? ramineni_ and masahito_. we don’t have to settle everything now, just gives me a direction to run with preraing next draft of spec.00:27
masahito_ramineni_: do you have additional discussion for HA?00:27
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ramineni_ekcs: ya, but in that case can we track  its the action execution , and only leader executes and in rest other cases it acts as active/active(without any leader)00:28
ramineni_one question00:28
ramineni_in case global leader00:28
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masahito_ekcs: as I posted on gerrit, I'm in favor of ekcs's suggestion.00:28
ekcsramineni_: I’m not sure what benefit it offers to delay leader election in that case.00:29
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ramineni_ekcs: as all other API requests doesn need to go to leader00:29
ekcsmasahito_: thanks. just note that A2 is different from what’s in the most recent draft (A1). A2 came out of ramineni_’s comment.00:30
ramineni_ekcs: anyway , im also in favor of local leader as it sounds simpler to me and code can handle it :)00:30
ekcsramineni_: ah that’s never intended to be the case. even when we have leader, the only difference is that only that leader initiates action-execution. but API requests are always routed to the same node as the API service.00:31
ramineni_ekcs: ah, ok00:31
ekcsso you get active-active on queries and everything. just that followers don’t initiate action-execution.00:31
ramineni_ekcs: so, that code goes to congress resource agent right00:32
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ekcsI’m not sure. I’m thinking resource agent just tells a PE it is leader or follower and PE remembers it. and action-execution is automatically ignored on followers in the PE logic. agnostic.py00:33
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ramineni_ekcs: oh ok00:33
ekcsyou could also put the disabling of action-execution directly in resource agent, but I think that exposes too much congress internals.00:34
ekcsok well I don’t have anything else.00:34
ekcson HA.00:34
ramineni_ekcs: ok00:34
ramineni_masahito_: im also done with HA questions00:35
masahito_ramineni_: got it00:35
masahito_let's move on next00:35
masahito_#topic Newton-100:35
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masahito_last week newton-1 release week00:36
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masahito_We've released it already.00:37
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masahito_#link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/index.html00:37
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ekcsnice. and this time the artifact exists!00:37
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masahito_yeah.00:38
masahito_we got to new architecture with one node by newton-100:38
masahito_It sounds we all had great works.00:39
ekcsthat’s awesome.00:39
masahito_anything else for N-1 release?00:39
ramineni_masahito_: may be we should make new arch voting now00:40
masahito_ramineni_: oh, right.00:40
ramineni_masahito_: i can put up patch for that00:41
masahito_ramineni_: nice!00:41
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masahito_ok, let's move on next.00:42
masahito_#topic status update00:42
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masahito_ekcs: want to start?00:43
ekcssure.00:43
ekcsBeen working on HA spec, and actually installing and configuring these tools we're going to rely on: pacemaker, corosync, haproxy, etc.00:43
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ekcsalso have the diff update and sequencing patch ready. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304991/00:44
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ekcsthat’s it from me.00:45
masahito_ekcs: thanks. I'll check the patch.00:45
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masahito_ramineni_: want to start?00:46
ramineni_sure00:46
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ramineni_I have put up patch for migration of existing synchronizer  code to new arch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324328/00:46
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ramineni_some details are still need to be worked out , may be yours and ekcs comments on that would be helpful00:47
masahito_ok I'll also check it.00:48
ekcsgot it.00:48
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ramineni_thanks00:48
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ramineni_masahito_: thats it from my side00:49
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masahito_ok,00:49
masahito_next from me.00:49
masahito_I pushed the patch for race-condition issue in creating datasource.00:50
masahito_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325195/00:50
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masahito_I wasn't able to check yours comment before. I'll check it and react.00:51
masahito_that's from my side.00:51
ekcsgreat!00:52
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masahito_status update is done.00:54
masahito_#topic open discussion00:54
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masahito_6 mins left.00:54
masahito_Does anyone has anything else?00:55
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ekcsquick question00:55
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ekcsmasahito_: have you used pacemaker before?00:56
masahito_ekcs: yes.00:56
ekcsmasahito_: ok great. may need help from you down the road =)00:56
masahito_for OpenStack, newtron-agent, nova-compute and so on.00:57
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masahito_we're running out time.01:00
masahito_thanks all. bye01:00
ekcsthanks all01:00
masahito_#endmeeting01:00
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bauzasnova meeting nope ?14:01
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: mriedem: ^14:01
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mriedemis it? i thought that was later today14:05
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johnthetubaguymriedem: bauzas: it says its a late one in my calendar14:13
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yeah, I'm dumb14:16
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oomichi#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  9 17:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'17:00
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oomichiwhois here today?17:00
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fnavalo/17:00
slowrieo/17:00
dpatersono/17:00
mtreinishhi17:00
oomichiok, lets start the meeting17:01
oomichi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_June_9th_2016_.281700_UTC.2917:01
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oomichi^^^ today agenda(almost same every meeting ;)17:01
oomichi#topic Spec Review17:01
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:02
oomichivery old specs are abondaned and now we have 5 specs17:02
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oomichiand all are red on reviews17:02
mtreinishall with -1s17:02
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oomichimtreinish: yea17:02
oomichithe fist one is I need to update17:02
oomichithat is tempest-resources spec17:03
mtreinishoomichi: why didn't you abandon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101232/17:03
mtreinishthe last update was from 201417:03
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oomichimtreinish: ah, I missed that17:03
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oomichiI will do that later17:03
mtreinishok17:03
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oomichi#action oomichi abandons https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101232/17:04
oomichimtreinish: the second one is you prefer one, I guess17:04
oomichiPolicy testing apis17:04
mtreinishoomichi: well I still haven't heard any response from rlrossit17:05
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mtreinishon the implementation side it's just adding it to gerrit and governance under qa17:05
oomichimtreinish: is it difficult to get rlrossit on IRC?17:05
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mtreinishbut I don't think we should merge it until the tempest interfaces it uses are in lib17:05
mtreinishoomichi: nah, he's in the nova channel normally17:06
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oomichimtreinish: ok, please get the response :)17:06
oomichimtreinish: what interfaces of tempest are you want to use on the project?17:06
oomichimtreinish: which is not  defined as tempest.lib17:07
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mtreinishoomichi: things like the cred providers iirc17:07
oomichi#action mtreinish gets response of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314704/ from rlrossit17:07
mtreinishoomichi: https://github.com/rlrossiter/cinnamon-role17:08
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oomichimtreinish: ok thanks. That will be next one for defining tempest.lib17:08
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mtreinishoomichi: yeah a quick grep it looks like it's the credentials providers and some exceptions17:09
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mtreinish(which are probably tied to the cred providers)17:09
oomichiyeah, andreaf is working for making the cred thing as tempest.lib17:09
oomichithat seems a nice time to do that17:09
oomichido we have another discussion about qa-spec?17:10
oomichiok, let's move on17:10
oomichi#topic Tempest17:10
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oomichiTempest CLI is high priority one on this cycle, and that seems good progress17:11
oomichimost patches of CLI are approved now, I guess17:11
oomichimtreinish: is it  right?17:11
mtreinishoomichi: no, they're still in progress17:11
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/28441117:12
mtreinishadds teh run command17:12
mtreinishand starts a branch we'll build off over time17:12
oomichimtreinish: ah, that is most important one17:12
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dpatersonmtreinish: I started looking at patch, want to take it for spin today.17:12
mtreinishoomichi: andreaf and I are disagreeing about 1 detail inline, but other than that discussion it should be ready17:13
mtreinishdpaterson: ok cool, thanks17:13
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oomichimtreinish: what is the 1 detail inline?17:13
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oomichiah, the last comment on the gerrit17:13
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oomichi#action dpaterson takes it for spin on https://review.openstack.org/28441117:14
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mtreinishoomichi: we're debating calling testr init as part of the run workflow, which I feel is necessary17:15
oomichihttps://review.openstack.org/284411 is the last one on CLI?17:15
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mtreinishoomichi: no that's the first patch, there are 2 up on that branch now17:16
mtreinishand I have at least another 2 or 3 planned in my head17:16
mtreinishbut I didn't want to get ahead of myself and push out all of that at once17:16
oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/tempest-run-cmd+status:open17:16
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dpatersonmtreinish: the impact of calling testr init is run will function in an uninitialized directory correct?17:17
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oomichimtreinish: yeah, it is nice to merge the first one before pushing a lot of patches17:17
slowriedpaterson: yes, andreaf is commenting about the fact that it will be different from current functionality which breaks if there's no .testr.conf files in your cwd17:17
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mtreinishI guess I can respin it to check for the presence of a .testr.conf before running testr init17:18
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dpatersonmtreinish: I would tend to agree.  I would think the flow is create a directory, tempest init that directory and tempest run from that directory17:18
mtreinishthat should prevent leaving .testrepository dirs everywhere17:18
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slowriemtreinish: at least for this merge maybe it makes sense to just check for the existence and if it doesn't throw up an error message that's sane before exiting?17:19
oomichislowrie: then "tempest run" needs to check the path is initialized before the operation, right?17:19
mtreinishslowrie: for the existence of .testrepository?17:19
slowrieoomichi: tempest run is a passthrough layer to testr, testr will not function if your cwd doesn't have the correct files17:20
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mtreinishslowrie: I added this after I went to use tempest run and was hit with: "No repository found in /home/computertreker/git/tempest-lib. Create one by running "testr init"."17:20
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mtreinishwell s/tempest-lib/tempest17:21
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slowriemtreinish: Gotcha17:21
mtreinishwhich is a bad UI, even changing the error message doesn't really help here17:21
mtreinishbecause we still depend on testr init being run17:21
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mtreinishtempest init will do it, but there is no requirement to use a workspace with tempest run17:21
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mtreinishespecially since tempest run isn't workspace aware yet17:22
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oomichiis it fine to merge it as experimental now?17:23
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dpatersonmtreinish: so as it stands if you were to execute tempest run in non-inited directory where is tempest.conf picked up from?  /etc/tempest/tempest.conf17:23
mtreinishdpaterson: it behaves the same way as tempest run with testr does17:24
mtreinishso it relies on the env vars or the default which is etc/tempest.conf iirc17:24
mtreinishoomichi: I think it is, but I have vested interest in getting it off the ground :)17:24
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dpaterson+1 on getting merged as starting point.17:25
oomichimtreinish: how about clarifying it on the reno?17:26
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mtreinishoomichi: was there a comment on what I put in the release notes for it?17:26
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oomichi"this is still experimental" or something17:26
mtreinishI can add onto it if you think it's necessary17:27
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mtreinishleave a -1 review comment and I'll respin it17:27
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oomichimtreinish: ok, I will do that.17:27
oomichinow many people are working on the same patch ;)17:27
oomichi#action oomichi put the comment about reno on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28441117:28
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oomichican we move to the next topic in tempest?17:28
oomichiabout service clients17:28
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mtreinishoomichi: that's all I had on cli, so sure17:29
oomichithe last one of v2 images client is images_client17:29
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oomichiI will push the patch today, and v2 image service client will be done17:29
oomichithe next is v1 image client, but I have a concern about v1 image service clients now17:30
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oomichithe API is very different from the other services17:30
oomichilike most info is contained in header instead of body17:30
mtreinishoomichi: more different than swift's API?17:30
mtreinishswift does the same thing17:30
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oomichimtreinish: oh, nice point. yeah that seems similar with swift17:31
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oomichibut we are not touching swift clients yet17:31
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oomichiand maybe glance v1 clients will be defined as temepst.lib with a few odd interfaces17:32
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mtreinishoomichi: IIRC, the v1 glance stuff looks like the normal clients, we move the headers into the body17:33
oomichicurrent v1 clients returns header info as body17:33
mtreinishfor better or worse17:33
oomichimtreinish: yeah, right17:33
mtreinishwe can change that, but we'll have to update all the tests17:33
oomichithe clients translate header into the body17:33
oomichimtreinish: yes, that is a big impact17:33
oomichiand we will start to swith glance v2 api in nova as http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096807.html17:34
mtreinishoomichi: sure, but v1 is still the de facto standard being used everywhere17:34
oomichiso it seems enough to define v1 image clients as current format17:34
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mtreinishand that's not gonna change anytime soon, even if we move master to use v2 for nova17:34
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oomichior we will create a lot of patches to make v1 clients return headers as headers instead of body17:35
mtreinishbut, that being said I'm fine with the weird header->body thing with the v1 clients, it's too much of a pain to change them17:35
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mtreinishand our glance testing is very light in general so I don't think it really matters17:36
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oomichimtreinish: ah, ok. I will check how impact if we do that in actual code17:37
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oomichi#action oomichi checks how many patches are necessary if making v1 image clients to return headers as headers17:37
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oomichiok, that is all in service clients17:38
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oomichido anyone have topics about tempest?17:38
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oomichiok, lets move on17:39
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oomichi#topic devstack + grenade17:39
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oomichiI don't have any topics about devstack + grenade today17:39
oomichi(sorry, that is every time)17:40
oomichido anyone have any topics17:40
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oomichi?17:40
dpatersonmid-cycle sprint17:40
mtreinishI don't have anything for this topic today17:40
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oomichiok, lets move on17:41
dpatersonWould great to nail down time and place17:41
oomichidpaterson: that is open one ;)17:41
oomichi#topic openstack-health17:41
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oomichimtreinish: masayukig: how about o-h today?17:41
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mtreinishheh it's probably a bit late for masayukig17:42
oomichio-h continues changing every days;)17:42
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mtreinishthe only thing that's significant here from me is the addition of elastic recheck support17:42
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mtreinishand some performance improvements from internal caching changes17:43
oomichimtreinish: oh, congress. that is important one on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-newton-priorities17:43
mtreinishwhich gives us a pattern for doing serverside caching request17:43
oomichimtreinish: how much is performance improvement on that?17:44
mtreinishcaching makes the response near instant17:44
mtreinishand we update the cache in the background with a seperate worker thread17:45
mtreinishso all the user facing interactions come from the cache only17:45
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mtreinishright now it's only being used where we use e-r (which is one query)17:45
mtreinishbut sc68cal and I are gonna work on expanding that to all the requests17:45
oomichimtreinish: cool :)17:46
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oomichimtreinish: how about "figure out check data solution" on the above etherpad?17:47
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oomichiis that next one after caching?17:47
mtreinishoomichi: that requires much more work, it'll involve a big schema migration on subunit2sql17:48
mtreinishand before we can do that I need to bug mordred some more about moving subunit2sql off of trove17:48
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mtreinishoomichi: it's still on the radar, just a bit further away17:48
oomichimtreinish: ah, I see. thanks for the status info17:49
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oomichiok, do we have another topics about o-h?17:49
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oomichiok, lets move on17:50
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oomichi#topic mid-cycle meetup17:50
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oomichiwe are arranging the meetup 19th-21th Sep in Germany with infra team17:50
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oomichibut that is not fixed yet with the detail17:50
mordredmtreinish: I'll be back for real next week17:50
mordredmtreinish: (you know, and not on the road)17:50
oomichiwe will send a mail to openstack-dev after fixing17:51
oomichidpaterson: ^^^17:51
mordredmtreinish: so let's talk about that then (sorry for the interruption17:51
oomichidpaterson: about the meetup17:51
oomichimordred: no worries ;)17:51
dpatersonoomichi: cool17:51
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mtreinishmordred: heh, ok. No worries. Fwiw, it's not been a prio for me either. I had other things to keep me busy17:52
mordredso. many. things.17:52
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oomichiok, the time is comming, can we move on the next topic if nothing?17:52
oomichi#topic Critical Reviews17:53
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oomichianyone have patches need to be reviewed?17:53
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/32657017:53
mtreinish^^ that should be a quick o-h review17:54
mtreinishas is:17:54
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/32660317:54
mtreinishand:17:54
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/32495817:54
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oomichithe other ones?17:55
oomichiok, lets move on17:56
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oomichi#topic Open Discussion17:56
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oomichiI pushed already all thing I wanted to discuss :)17:56
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oomichido anyone have any thing for discussion?17:57
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oomichi(maybe nobody has, that is good)17:58
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slowrieI'm good17:58
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oomichislowrie: :)17:58
oomichiok, lets finish the meeting. thanks all17:59
slowriethanks17:59
oomichi#endmeeting17:59
fnavalthanks!17:59
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mtreinishoomichi: did you lose your connection again?18:02
mtreinishwell, we're at time so I guess lets end it here18:02
mtreinish#endmeeting18:02
mtreinishI guess I can't do that since I'm not the chair...18:02
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oomichimtreinish: the meeting is already done before 4 mins18:03
oomichimtreinish: you seem lost at this time?18:04
mtreinishoomichi: yeah, my bouncer got stuck...18:04
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mtreinishoomichi: I hadn't seen that happen before, not exactly sure what happened. Outgoing messages apparently worked but I had nothing coming in...18:05
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oomichiah, then your responses were not so good today (I could catch your saying today with this18:05
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oomichimtreinish: this meeting schedule has something..18:06
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mtreinishoomichi: ?18:07
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oomichimtreinish: I also lost connections on the previous meeting many times, that never happened before18:08
oomichithat seems digital ghost ;)18:08
mtreinishheh18:08
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dtroyerOSC Meeting time!  anyone here?19:02
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dhellmanno/19:03
dtroyerOh good, I have some questions for you ;)19:04
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dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  9 19:04:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'19:04
dhellmannheh, I owe you a review of that reno patch still19:04
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dtroyerThat is part of what I want to kick around a bit19:04
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dtroyerno hurries though19:05
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dtroyer#topic releases19:05
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dtroyerSo, for the record, OSC 2.6.0 was released this week, scheduled to be the last 2.x series19:05
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dhellmannin what way is 3.0 planned to be incompatible?19:06
dhellmannsorry, I'm a bit out of the loop...19:06
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dtroyerwe're making some command changes to fix bad early decisions on my part (ip floating?????)19:06
dtroyerplus the plugin interface is going to change (osc-lib is part of this)19:06
dhellmannok, cool19:06
dtroyerplus auth is going to change19:06
dhellmannwow, so very different it sounds like19:06
dtroyerin short, stuff that we've been saving to do all at once19:07
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dhellmannI wonder if it's worth using a feature branch, in case there's something critical to make a 2.6.1?19:07
dtroyermost of it should be internal, except for the potential auth behaviour changes and overt commands changes19:07
dtroyerthat's why we did 2.6.0, I had planned for 2.5.0 to be the last19:07
dhellmannthen merging the feature branch into master and releasing that as 3.0.019:07
dhellmannok19:07
dtroyerat this point I think we're past that19:07
dhellmannok, cool19:08
dtroyerone thing I do want to talk about now though is the package name change we discussed about 3 generations ago19:08
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dtroyerI think we've all agreed that we should have not used the python- prefix19:08
dtroyerthis is the time to change that I think, if we are going to.19:08
dtroyer(just the package name, not the repo)19:08
dtroyerI need to refresh on what all would need to happen to do that19:09
dtroyerso 'openstackclient' would be the 3.x package name19:09
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dhellmannI think we just need to edit the line in setup.cfg, although we might have to do some work in the releases repo to make the links to the tarballs work right19:09
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dhellmannah, we can set 'tarball-base' in the deliverable file in the releases repo19:10
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dtroyerok, cool.19:10
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dhellmannthat might be a bit odd since we already have a newton deliverable, but that's not a blocker on changing the name19:11
dtroyerare there installation considerations for pip?  we're not changing the internal namespace so we can't have 2.x and 3.x co-installed19:11
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dhellmannyou'll have to register the new name on pypi19:11
dtroyerI know rpm/apt handle that sort of thing19:12
dtroyerok, but to do an upgrade in one step, will we have to doc the uninstall first?19:12
* dtroyer that didn't make sense19:12
dhellmannI don't think pip handles it automatically. one way to do it is to release a python-openstackclient 3.0.0 that has nothing in it but the dependency on openstackclient, but that may be tricky19:12
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dhellmanngiven the number of ui breaks it might be better to *not* have a package dependency, and just document the name change19:13
dhellmannwe should look at what this will do to the documentation publication stuff, too. I don't know if it builds the URL for docs.openstack.org/developer from the git repo name or the deliverable name or something set in project-config19:13
dtroyerwhat about the other way around?  have 'openstackclient' have an empty 'python-openstackcleint' 3.0 as a dependency?19:14
dhellmannand obviously the install guide will need to be updated19:14
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dhellmannhaving the dependency go the other way wouldn't help with an upgrade, because you'd still have to know to install using the new name19:14
dhellmannif you have python-osc -> osc ,then if you "pip -U python-osc" you'd get the new package19:15
dtroyerI was thinking about the case of just pip install osc without uninstalling p-osc first19:15
dtroyerthey'd step on each other19:15
dhellmannah, yes19:15
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dtroyerso now I'm wondering if we should just suck it up and not change19:15
dhellmannit's going to be quite disruptive to change19:16
dtroyerit isn't a problem other than "I wish we had done it differently"19:16
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* dhellmann nods19:16
dtroyerand it seems to have gotten worse since the last time we talked about it19:16
dtroyerok, I'm fine not doing it then19:16
dhellmannthe fact that we have things relying on it now makes it worse19:16
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dtroyerdoes this mean we're officially past the 'new-distrupting-green-field' stage and into 'stuck-with-what-we-are' stage? ;)19:17
dhellmannyes, I think osc is all growed up19:18
* dtroyer gets all nostalgic for <verb> <object> commands19:18
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dtroyerthe release notes thing then is the other bit I wanted your thoughts on…19:19
dhellmannwhat's the plan for the command renames? any backwards compat period, or cold turkey?19:19
dtroyerat a high level, is bucking the release-codde-name model going to be too painful?19:19
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dtroyerthe comamnd renames will have a deprecation period for the old names19:19
dtroyer1 year IIRC19:19
dhellmannok, that seems like plenty of time19:20
dhellmannso, for the release notes, it's an interesting idea to base it on versions rather than our release series/branches19:20
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dhellmannI like it for osc, because as you point out the version doesn't really mean compatibility or not with a given version of openstack itself19:21
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dhellmannif we can get the build to look right, we can add some features to reno to make it easier to maintain in the future19:21
dtroyerexactly19:21
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dhellmannthe issue will come in if we need to scan more than one branch for version numbers in a given series19:21
dtroyerI think having the latest-version attribute you mentioned would be enough for the current setup I have19:21
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dhellmannthat works until you want a page showing all of the 3.x versions but those versions come from 2 or more branches19:22
dtroyerI was watching some of your conversation about the release tag merge and understand how things work a bit more now19:22
dtroyerand it's working today because we only have one place where a release isn't on master, 2.3.019:23
dhellmannyeah, that was a surprise to me, I didn't realize we were doing that19:23
dtroyeror, 2.3.1 rather19:23
dtroyerbut it explained why what I did worked as much as it did, I understand where it'll break down the road19:23
dtroyerI think19:23
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dhellmannI'll have to check, but I don't know if the tags are being merged for osc -- we only do that in very specific cases, and I think it only applies to milestone-based projects19:24
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dtroyerIIUC there might only be one tag to even merge19:24
dtroyer2.3.119:24
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dtroyerin stable/mitaka19:25
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* dhellmann looks at git repo19:26
dhellmannI don't see a 2.3.119:26
dtroyeroh, I know where I got that, it's what stable/mitaka reports itself as19:26
dhellmannah, yeah, that would be the next release for mitaka if you choose to tag it19:26
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dhellmannand I think that would not be merged into master, because master is already ahead of that19:27
dtroyerright19:27
dhellmannand it's not a pre-release version19:27
dhellmanndoes what I said about the 3.x versions spanning multiple cycles, and stable branches, make sense?19:28
dtroyeryes, and if that's a problem would probably convince me to not do this19:29
dhellmannit may take some feature work in reno, but it's doable19:29
dtroyeragain, it isn't a big deal19:29
dhellmannthat, or have pages like 3.0-3.1.rst and then 3.2-3.4.rst or whatever19:30
dhellmannthis is the sort of thing a non-openstack project would want to do, so I'd like to be able to support it19:30
dtroyerif we have those pages then ..include them together so sphinx makes one output page, I'd be happy19:30
dhellmannoh, you know, we could just have multiple directives in a given file19:30
dhellmannso I'm making this a bigger deal than it is19:30
dhellmannyeah, ok, lightbulb went on, this is not an issue at all19:31
dtroyer\o/19:31
dhellmannjust have more than one release-notes directive in each file, to pull in the versions from the branches they're on19:31
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dhellmannno big deal19:31
dtroyercool19:32
dhellmannwe can still do the latest-version thing to simplify that, too19:32
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dhellmannor, shudder, a pip-style version range19:32
dtroyerthat thought crosed my mind.    <3 would be good enough for this I think19:32
dtroyerthat was < 319:33
dhellmannof course that depends on this only working for pep440 versions, so I like a separate field better19:33
dtroyerwhat I have now is even livable to me because it shouldn't change once set and is only set for a major bump19:33
dhellmannreno is doing a literal string comparison of the version now19:33
dtroyerversion comparisons are ugly, if you don't need to go there…19:34
dhellmannyeah, and I don't want reno to have to worry about what versions mean, because it doesn't now19:34
dhellmannwell, except for pre-releases collapsing19:34
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dhellmannok, I'll make a note to work on the latest-version thing19:35
dtroyercool, thanks Doug19:35
dtroyerif I can help, holler19:35
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dhellmannsure, I'll see what I come up with and run it past you to see if it's going to do what you want19:36
dtroyerso unless someone else has something, I have a thing or two to record in the logs, then I'm done…19:37
dtroyer#topic reviews19:37
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dtroyerI want to wait until next week (6/13-ish) to start merging 3.x stuff19:38
dhellmannI don't have anything to raise19:38
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dtroyerwhich includes the KSA patch first, then tangchen's Ip command changes and the osc-lib stuff19:39
dtroyerI would prefer to not merge any more cleanups (i18n, etc) until after that as its causing rebase fun for us ;)19:39
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dhellmannmakes sense19:40
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dtroyerand that is all19:40
dtroyerthanks dhellmann, this was very productive for me ;)19:41
dhellmanngood, I'm glad I was able to make it today :-)19:41
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dtroyer#endmeeting19:42
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mriedem#startmeeting nova20:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  9 20:59:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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edleafe\o21:00
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alaskio/ but may have to drop out21:00
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mriedemwell hello21:01
mriedem#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting21:01
auggyo/21:01
mriedemshould be relatively short today21:01
mikal.21:01
mriedem#topic release news21:01
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Vekthat's a relief :)21:01
mriedem#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule21:01
mriedem #info June 30: non-priority feature freeze (3 weeks from today)21:01
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mriedemWe have 86 approved blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton - 9 are completed, 13 have not started, 2 are blocked21:02
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mtaninohi21:02
mriedemdepending on when i took those numbers that might be 10 completed with glance v2 being complete now21:02
mriedembut still21:02
mriedemlots of approved blueprints, lots of stuff not started21:02
mriedem3 weeks left on most of it21:02
mriedemquestions?21:02
mriedem#topic bugs21:03
tonybAm I too late to create a specless bp?21:03
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mriedemtonyb: probably21:03
mriedemtonyb: unless it's related to a priority21:03
tonybmriedem: okay I'll save it for ocata21:03
mriedemtonyb: you can always create an queue it up for later21:03
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mriedemso bugs21:03
woodster_o/21:03
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mriedemlooks like some triage happened since last week, down to 15 new bugs21:03
mriedemwhich is nice21:04
mriedemhttp://tinyurl.com/z2uln6v21:04
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mriedemany critical bugs that anyone knows of?21:04
mriedemmarkus is on vacation21:04
mriedemauggy: ?21:04
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auggyi'm not aware of anything21:05
mriedemok21:05
mriedemas far as gate status,21:05
mriedemthe live migration job, at least for local disk, will be fixed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310707/21:05
mriedemi'm waiting for jenkins to pass unit tests on that before re-approving again21:05
mriedemand i have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327886/ to skip NFS in that job21:06
mriedembecause the NFS setup is busted with 16.0421:06
mriedemif anyone wants to sort that out, please help21:06
sdaguethe only thing that's close to critical is the security one that needs a backport21:06
mriedembackport to liberty, right?21:06
mriedemi just put up the mitaka o.c 3.7.1 release request https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327944/21:06
sdaguebackport to liberty is an open question21:07
mriedemi don't have any news on third party CI21:07
mriedemvmware's CI is having issues21:07
mriedemsdague: there is a liberty patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327624/ but it needs work21:08
mriedemi can work on that at some point, needs the oslo.concurrency changes21:08
sdagueand it needs an o.c backport21:08
mriedem#action follow up on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327624/21:08
sdaguewhich is going to be more work21:08
sdague2.6.0 is the liberty version21:08
mriedemcrap21:08
mriedemis there anything i can own that requires *less* work?21:08
mriedem#topic reminders21:09
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mriedem #link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking21:09
mriedemplease keep that up to date21:09
mriedemand prioritized21:09
mriedem #help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?21:09
mriedemlooks like next week is open if someone wants that21:10
mriedemjust update the wiki21:10
tjoneswe are looking into the issue on vmware ci with not being able to get the glance image.  sorry it's taking so long21:10
mriedemtjones: ack21:10
tjones:-(21:10
mriedem#topic stable branch status21:10
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mriedembesides the cve backports21:10
mriedemthere was a liberty release yesterday21:10
mriedemfor nova21:10
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mriedemand i've got a mitaka 13.0.1 release queued up but was waiting on the fix for this cve backport to get in21:11
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mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:11
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mriedemalaski: status on baby lucas?21:11
mriedemor cells v2 meeting21:11
alaskijust finished eating, so I can update here21:11
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alaskilots of work in progress as usual21:11
alaskia few highlights21:12
alaskiwe discussed instance.name being blank in the api until after scheduling21:12
alaskibecause it can rely on instance.id which relies on the db to generate it21:12
alaskiwe also discussed a new discover nova-manage command for adding new hosts to a cell21:12
alaskiit would find any unmapped hosts and map them21:13
alaskiand there will be no meeting next week21:13
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mriedemis there a patch up for the tags thing?21:13
mriedemfrom 2-4 weeks ago?21:13
alaskiI have not seen one yet21:13
mriedema bug?21:13
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alaskimelwitt was going to take that I believe but she was doing something else first21:14
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alaskiI can open a bug though21:14
mriedem#action alaski to create a bug for the tags / cells v2 issue21:14
mriedemcool21:14
mriedemedleafe: scheduler meeting highlights from this week?21:14
alaskithose are the highlights21:14
edleafejaypipes, dansmith and cdent are re-working how the inventory and allocations are migrated.21:14
edleafeMuch discussion at the meeting on the placement API and the change to using that instead of RPC21:14
edleafeI pushed POC code for the live migrate multiple host BP21:15
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edleafeSo lots of specs and patches to review21:15
mriedemok21:15
cdentthings are moving now, lots of related things merging. is cool.21:16
mriedemis anyone around that attended the live migration meeting?21:16
bauzasbecomes hard to follow tho21:16
mriedemi was at the first half21:16
edleafebauzas: +121:16
mriedemyeah jay's update in the ML is helpful21:16
mriedemgiven all the changes21:16
mriedemre: the live migration meeting, the imagebackend refactor series is ready for more review,21:17
mriedemwe talked about the live migration job, which i already noted here21:17
mriedemi think paul was looking for some people to work on some blueprints, namely the post-copy one (i think)21:17
mriedemand i missed the 2nd half of the meeting so can't talk to that :)21:17
mriedemsdague: want to say anything about the api meeting?21:17
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sdaguesure21:18
sdagueapi-ref keeps coming along, we're down to < 100 tags left to process21:18
sdaguehttp://burndown.dague.org/21:18
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sdaguesite keeps getting more accurate - http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/21:18
mriedemheh, yeah i actually use it now :)21:19
sdaguewe also talked about the removal of extensions facility21:19
mriedemwhen writing tempest tests21:19
sdaguewhich has been deprecated21:19
sdagueand once we remove the code for it, then we can massively simplify the API stack21:19
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/327302/ is starting down that process21:20
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/327188/ is the kind of simplifications we'll get21:20
sdaguethe goal is to stop servers being extendable by release21:20
sdaguebecause that's the bulk of the mess and confusion21:21
mriedemamen21:21
sdaguealso, all of alaski's oslo.policy changes are merged21:21
mriedemoh nice21:21
alaski\o/21:21
mriedemis there a release request up?21:21
sdagueyes21:21
mriedemand g-r bump?21:21
sdagueI don't think it has yet processed21:21
alaskiyeah, hopefully will be this week21:21
mriedemgreat21:21
sdague /end21:22
sdaguethat's it from API21:22
mriedemthanks21:22
mriedemrlrossit: notifications?21:22
rlrossit#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/versioned-notification-transformation-newton21:22
rlrossitjohnthetubaguy has been helping out and +2ing a lot of things21:22
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rlrossitwe're reaching consensus on most of it21:22
rlrossitjust need to iron a few things more out on instance.delete notification21:22
rlrossitother than that, moving along well21:23
mriedemok, sounds good21:23
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:23
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mriedemnothing on the agenda21:23
mriedemanything someone feels a burning desire to bring up here?21:23
mriedem#topic open discussion21:23
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mriedemnothing on the agenda21:23
mriedemso i'll open it up21:24
auggyo/21:24
mriedemhi21:24
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mriedemyou in the back, speak up21:24
auggyjust a reminder that the mentoring wiki page is more up to date than it has been in the past21:24
auggyso if new folks pop into the channel looking for stuff to do then feel free to point them there :)21:24
mriedemlink?21:24
auggysorry slow typing for some reason21:24
auggyhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mentoring21:25
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auggyalso many of the subteam sections still need to be updated, so if your subteam has tasks good for new contributors, feel free to update it21:25
auggyor ping me and i'll update it :)21:25
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auggythat's all i had21:26
mriedemthanks for working on that21:26
mriedemi know people have been asking21:26
bauzasno longer an etherpad then ?21:26
mriedembauzas: we said at the summit we wanted to move off of etherpads21:26
mriedemsince they aren't index21:26
mriedem*indexed21:26
bauzascool by me21:26
mriedemanyone have anything else?21:27
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mriedemsounds like a no. alright, thanks everyone.21:27
tonybprivsep? but we can talk about that in the nova channel if y'all like21:27
mriedemas far as?21:27
mriedemconversions?21:27
tonybfirst implementation ....21:27
mriedemtonyb: just because i asked for a volunteer in the list doesn't mean it has to be you21:27
mriedembut you have proximity to gus21:27
mrdalol21:28
tonybmriedem: meh I'm happy to do it21:28
mriedembut yeah, we can move to the nova channel21:28
mriedemthanks everyone21:28
mriedem#endmeeting21:28
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kevinbentonhi everybody!22:00
dougwigwe have critical mass, but not yet critical armax.22:01
kevinbentonarmax has asked me to run the drivers meeting because he is on PTO22:01
dougwigsweet22:01
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kevinbenton#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun  9 22:01:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:01
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kevinbentonarmax didn't give me specific instructions22:02
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kevinbentonso i assume we continue with triaging22:02
kevinbentondoes anyone have anything they want to bring up first?22:02
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kevinbentonok, triaging it is then22:03
kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe22:03
kevinbentonfirst up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/155268022:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1552680 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for DLM" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz)22:04
kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/155268022:04
kevinbentonamuller: any updates on that front ^^ ?22:04
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amullerJohn added initial numbers to the google doc linked from the RFE22:04
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amullerhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1jdI8gkQKBE0G9koR0nLiW02d5rwyWv_-gAp7yavt4w8/edit22:05
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amullerAnd looking at the results, they are unexplainable :)22:05
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amullerSo John is looking in to it, for example why is the minimum with DLM lower than without.22:06
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amullerIn other words, more to come.22:06
kevinbentonamuller: ack. considering the deviation of each it could easily have been luck22:07
kevinbentonamuller: the rest of the numbers seem to make sense22:07
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amullerkevinbenton: that's what we thought, but he ran it so many times on systems that are otherwise unused, so we don't exactly understand what's going on right now, but he'll look in to it22:08
kevinbentonamuller: sounds good22:08
amullerkevinbenton: To me, the average is scary22:08
amullerkevinbenton: this is a very simple usage of DLM, without any contention, because the lock is on the router_id, and the test is only operating on different routers22:09
amullerso adding 10% to router_create+delete is a bigger impact than I had thought22:09
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kevinbentonok, well we can wait for more numbers22:10
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kevinbentonlets move onto the next one22:10
kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/155997822:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1559978 in neutron "[RFE] log segmentation_id over threshold for monitoring" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:11
amullerI thought we agreed that the initial direction will simply add a log.22:11
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carl_baldwinMaybe I should've moved this to approved.  ?22:12
kevinbentonah yes, i see22:12
kevinbentonyeah22:12
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kevinbentontechnically the stuff is sort of aggregatable via the admin get_networks call22:12
kevinbentonthey can see segmentation_ids22:12
amullerI think the RFE tag should be removed entirely and this should be treated as just a patch22:13
amullerif anyone wants to tackle this in a more comprehensive manner they could re-open the rfe22:13
kevinbentonyeah, i think removing rfe if logging is the initial direction sounds good22:13
carl_baldwinI'll do it.22:14
amotokiI agree to start with simple logging and remove rfe tag22:14
kevinbentonnext up is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156387922:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1563879 in neutron "[RFE] DVR should route packets to Instances behind the L2 Gateway" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:14
kevinbentonlooks like it was discussed as well22:15
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kevinbentonbut i'm not sure what it has to do with l2gw22:16
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kevinbentonoh, nevermind22:16
kevinbentonshould this have been marked as confirmed?22:17
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carl_baldwinI'm not sure what to do with this one right now.22:18
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kevinbentonok, we'll just leave it as is then22:19
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amotokido we need to discuss more content on the linked spec review?22:19
amotokiat least it seems we haven't figured out what we need.22:20
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kevinbentonamotoki: where is the spec?22:21
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amotokiwoops..... sorry it was not a spec. just a l2gw review.22:21
ihrachysand a small one22:21
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kevinbentoni'm not familiar enough with l2gw22:23
kevinbentonmight have to wait for armax22:23
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kevinbentonlet's move to the next one22:23
kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/156619122:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1566191 in neutron "[RFE] Allow multiple networks with FIP range to be associated with Tenant router" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:23
kevinbentonthis was discussed a couple of times22:24
kevinbentoni think we ended up just fixing the regression22:24
carl_baldwinI think we need to just close it out.22:24
kevinbentonwhat's the appropriate status to set it to?22:25
kevinbentonfix_commited?22:25
carl_baldwinI'm thinking won't fix22:25
kevinbentonok22:25
carl_baldwinThen, someone could try to reopen it later if there is interest in working on the ref impl.22:25
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: can you do that?22:25
carl_baldwinon it22:25
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amotokiit there a way to achieve what is requested in this rfe?22:26
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kevinbentoni think it worked by accident with reference implementaiton if you allocated a floating IP from a regular router tenant interface22:27
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: does that sound right?22:27
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: Yes, that's about it.22:27
amotokiyeah. it worked by acciedent.22:27
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: wait22:28
carl_baldwinIn the reference implementation?22:28
carl_baldwinIt worked by accident in Midonet, right?22:28
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kevinbentonoh22:28
kevinbentonmaybe22:28
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carl_baldwinI don't think it works in the reference impl.22:28
kevinbentoneither way, it's not something we intended to support in the reference22:29
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: right22:29
kevinbentonnext up22:29
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kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/157748822:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1577488 in neutron "[RFE]"Fast exit" for compute node egress flows when using DVR" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:29
kevinbentoni think we can mark this as confirmed, no22:30
kevinbenton?22:30
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kevinbentonor did we experience a regression in our stance as of last week? :)22:30
carl_baldwinI left it open because there was still some discussion going on.  So, we skipped it last week.22:31
kevinbentonok22:32
kevinbentonhas it resolved yet?22:32
kevinbentonnot clear based on the last comments22:32
carl_baldwinI'm not sure.22:32
kevinbentonok, might have to wait for armax since he was the dissenting opinion!22:33
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kevinbentonwhich brings up #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/158577022:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1585770 in neutron "[RFE] DVR-aware fixed IP announcements for with BGP" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:34
carl_baldwinya22:34
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kevinbentonthis makes sense to me22:34
carl_baldwinme too22:34
kevinbentonit should be pretty simple as well assuming the previous just always does fast exit22:34
kevinbentonshall we wait for armax to mark it as confirmed?22:35
kevinbentonor does anyone here have any issues with it?22:36
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: You mean rfe-approved?  Confirmed actually comes before Triaged.22:36
amotokikevinbenton: do you mean approved instead of confirmed?22:36
kevinbentonsorry, wrong state22:36
kevinbentonyeah, approved22:36
* carl_baldwin gets confused by rfe states too.22:36
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dougwigthere 9 pages of description somewhere in the neutron docs.22:37
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kevinbenton:)22:37
amullerimagine people that don't work on neutron every day...22:37
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kevinbentonrefer them to this diagram22:38
kevinbentonhttp://www.micromouseonline.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/diagonal-pathfinder.png22:38
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amullerkevinbenton: perfect22:38
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: can you mark as approved for that BGP one?22:38
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: ok22:38
amotokiif we approve it, do we suggest a spec for this?22:38
* carl_baldwin consults the diagram22:38
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carl_baldwinamotoki: I don't need a spec.  How about others?22:39
amotokiit seems simple enough.22:39
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kevinbentoni don't think so22:40
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kevinbentonok. last on the list is this topology thing #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/158658422:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1586584 in neutron "Get the virtual network topology" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:41
kevinbentonsounds to me like a nice feature for neutron client or openstack client22:41
dougwigisn't this already in horizon?22:41
* amuller shrugs22:41
dougwigthis goes beyond the scope of a CRUD get.  -1 from me.22:42
kevinbentonnothing new in the output that isn't already available via various APIs22:42
amullerdougwig +122:42
amulleras evident by the back and forth in that rfe22:42
ihrachysI would endorse a separate tool that does just that. outside of neutron stadium.22:42
amotokiall information can be retrieved thru API. In my understanding this RFE just requests to display information in a convenient way.22:43
kevinbentonok, so is "Won't Fix" the appropriate state then?22:43
kevinbentonor is this something we could consider on the neutron client?22:43
dougwigi think it's "invalid" when filed against a rest api, tbh.22:43
kevinbentonneutron-specs covers neutronclient though, no?22:43
amotokiat least invalid in neutron side.22:44
amullerdougwig: the question is "wontfix" or switch the component to the client22:44
kevinbentonright22:44
ihrachysswitch and then won't fix :)22:44
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amotokii am not sure how CLI output helps it. do you think an example output is useful?22:44
amulleramotoki: there is example output in the bug report22:44
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HenryGamotoki: this is in horizon now? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/curvature-network-topology22:45
amullerit is22:45
amotokiamuller: yes. i see it, but i am not sure the example output is so useful22:45
kevinbentonHenryG: right, but an operator may not want to look in horizon22:45
kevinbentonthat wiggly thing isn't greppable22:46
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HenryGThe code that collects the info can be re-used and push out some text22:46
HenryG?22:47
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kevinbentonright, and we can put that code in the client as a helper command22:47
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kevinbentonor we can say we aren't interested22:47
amotokiI am okay to support it in a client side. all needed information are available through API.22:47
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kevinbentonso how do we retarget this to the client?22:48
kevinbentonwe would need a volunteer22:48
amulleramotoki: in the openstack client, right?22:48
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amulleramotoki: or are we still implementing new features in the neutron client?22:48
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amotokiamuller: in general, it goes to openstackclient22:49
amotokibut i think we need to discuss with osc folks.22:49
amotokii think it is similar to 'purge' command because it does a kind of orchestration.22:50
amullerkevinbenton: I switched the component22:50
amulleramotoki: I think we need to move the purge command too22:50
amullerthat's a separate discussion though22:51
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amotokiamuller: yes we need to move 'purge' command22:51
amotokiit is a part of osc migration22:51
dougwigit could easily be done as a neutronclient extension in another package, btw.22:52
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kevinbentonright22:52
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amotokidougwig: it can. we need a guideline which commands are provided thru osc plugin and which should go to native OSC commands.22:53
kevinbentonbut this use case isn't really specific to any type of deployment or anything22:53
kevinbentonnot sure it needs to be isolated in a plugin22:53
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amotokiit seems i was confused with OSC plugin and neutornclient extension :(22:54
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kevinbentonok, well i think we've at least agreed that this doesn't belong in the server at all22:55
kevinbentonand it could potentially be a helper command in a client22:55
amotoki+122:56
kevinbentonthat's the last of them on the list22:56
kevinbentonanyone have anything else before ending the meeting?22:56
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kevinbenton#topic OPEN DISCUSSION!22:56
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kevinbenton#endmeeting22:57
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kevinbentonbye everyone!22:58
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