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blairhey oneswig, managed to make it for first 20mins or so06:59
oneswigblair: great, thanks for that06:59
blair#startmeeting scientific-wg06:59
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blair#chair oneswig06:59
openstackCurrent chairs: blair oneswig06:59
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priteauHello07:00
oneswigGood morning!07:00
oneswig#topic roll-call07:00
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oneswigWho is here today?07:00
blairpresent!07:00
oneswighello07:00
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blairwe have an apology from Tim Bell, which is a bit unfortunate because I think he was pretty interested in Blazar07:01
priteauI am Pierre Riteau from the Chameleon project07:01
priteauI was invited by Stig Telfer to join the meeting07:01
oneswigpriteau: thanks for coming Pierre07:02
blair+107:02
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oneswig... attendance is light this week ...07:02
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verdurinAdam from Francis Crick here - morning07:03
oneswigHi Adam07:03
blairG'day Adam07:03
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priteauGood morning Adam07:04
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oneswigShall we get going?07:04
blairso maybe i can quickly tell you about the survey thing i added to the agenda (as i'll need to exit soon) and then we can move onto blazar?07:04
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oneswig#topic NeCTAR NPS07:04
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oneswigtake it away Blair07:05
blairjust wanted to mention this so it's on the radar really07:05
blairfor those who don't know, the NeCTAR Research Cloud is a Science Cloud open to all government funded researchers in Australia07:05
blairit has been operating since 2012 and scaled up between 2012-2015 to 8 sites and ~35k cores07:06
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blairwe recently did our first major user survey07:06
blaircontacted over 6000 people/emails and got a pretty decent 600+ responses07:07
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oneswigthat's a lot of datapoints07:07
oneswigIIRC the OpenStack user survey is roughly the same sample size07:08
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blairit was a Net Promoter Score survey, so it's quite light in terms of participation, basically you just score the thing on a scale of 1-1007:08
blairanything 6 or less is considered a detractor07:08
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blairi think 7 and 8 is neutral07:09
blair9 and 10 is promoter07:09
blair(i could have those slightly out, might only be 7 that is neutral)07:09
blairanyway, you end up with a score between -100 and +100 for the survey overall07:09
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blairand we got +24, which we're pretty happy with07:10
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blairthere's also a "more info" field, and then detractors were followed up for more specific info if willing07:10
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oneswigThat counts as approval, ie 0 is neutral in the final scoring right?07:10
blaironeswig: yep that's right07:11
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blairthat score in general NPS terms is quite good i believe07:11
oneswigGreat to hear it.  Any ideas on why?07:11
blairthough compared to similar infrastrucutre things it's a bit lower apparently07:11
blairmost of the detractors had usability or stability gripes07:12
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oneswigAt least they are fixable, to some degree07:12
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blairthe stability ones could be largely due to early problems with storage in the initial zone throughout 2012, but also probably because this cloud operates across university datacentres and each year there is usually at least one or two zones offline for a weekend (e.g. power works)07:13
verdurinblair: will you be re-running this annually, six-monthly...?07:13
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blairyes that's the intention now07:13
oneswigpriteau: any idea how satisfied chameleon users are?07:13
blairbut of course just targeting active users and/or user who have recently become inactive07:14
priteauoneswig: We haven't run a survey across all users yet. We got some good feedback from users who successfully used the testbed to run experiments and published their results07:14
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blairanyhow, wrapping up this item. we have a good pile of data here that may be useful to the UX team, so i'm working to de-identify it and pass it to Piet07:15
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oneswigThat's a great idea Blair, get more out of it that way07:15
oneswigpriteau: I saw Paul Ruth talk at Austin with Kate, he seemed pretty pleased07:16
blairyeah, as you can imagine a lot of researchers have trouble when you give them Horizon07:16
oneswig#idea is there any existing way to feed data like this as input to UX?07:16
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blairit doesn't seem like it, currently have a thread going asking various foundation staff07:17
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oneswigIt's a really useful thing to do, I'll ask around at Cambridge to see if anything similar happens07:17
blairideally it would be passed to the foundation and then they'd pass it to blessed projects, so there are no issues with personal liability07:17
oneswigAny more to cover on this agenda item?07:18
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blairno let's make use of priteau while we've got him :-)07:18
oneswigBlair I'll note an action and move on07:19
oneswig#action blair's going to anonymise NPS data for UX purposes07:19
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oneswig#topic Blazar and use cases07:19
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oneswigpriteau: can you give an overview of what it does for Chameleon?07:19
priteauAbsolutely07:20
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priteauSo as you may know the Blazar project implements Reservation as a Service for OpenStack07:20
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priteauIn Chameleon we make use of its ability to reserve physical hosts07:21
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priteauBefore running any experiments, Chameleon users interact with Blazar (generally through the Horizon dashboard, but it can also be from the CLI) to reserve one or several physical nodes for their experiments07:22
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priteauThe nodes are exclusively available to them for the duration of their reservation07:22
oneswigAt a future time, or from now for six days (say)07:23
priteauReservations can start now or at any time in the future07:23
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blairpriteau: forgive my ignorance, but how does Blazar actually implement that? does it manipulate aggregates or something to make nodes unavailable to nova scheduler and then force-host onto them as required?07:24
priteauOur main requirements was to allow running large scale experiments, e.g. using all resources of the testbed07:24
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oneswigAnd if the reservation is accepted, it's essentially a contract with the infrastructure?07:24
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priteaufor this users can take a reservation some time in advance, which would not be possible if they were just relying on launching on-demand instances with Nova07:24
verdurinblair: looks like it uses aggregates07:24
priteaublair: yes it manipulates host-aggregates and forces them to be used with a custom Nova scheduler filter07:25
priteauusers have to pass a scheduler hint to launch instances inside a specific reservation07:25
priteau(we've made this process easy to do through Horizon)07:25
verdurinpriteau: once a reservation has become active, can it be changed?07:26
priteauif no scheduler hint is given, Nova will schedule within the set of hosts not managed by Blazar, which in our case is empty, making it mandatory to use Blazar07:26
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verdurinFor example, if users find they need more resources than they had predicted.07:26
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priteauverdurin: only in time, i.e. you can shorten or extend the duration07:27
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priteaubut they cannot be modified in space07:27
oneswigpriteau: but there's no segregation between reserved hosts and "on-demand" hosts in the same project, right?07:28
priteauthis is a feature we would like to have but it is not on our short term roadmap yet07:28
verdurinpriteau: at the moment, the workaround would be to create a new reservation with immediate start?07:28
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priteauverdurin: correct07:28
blairok that's cool, so right now it sounds pretty useful with the main drawback being you have to segregate the reserved infrastructure07:28
priteauoneswig: I am not sure I understand your question07:29
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oneswigpriteau: I meant, all the hosts for a project (blazar-managed or not) could still share the same east-west tenant networks?07:29
blairwould sure be nice if it worked in tandem with a preempt-able instance feature07:30
blairpriteau: can you have soft and hard reservations ?07:30
priteauoneswig: right, networking is completely independent of Blazar07:31
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oneswigpriteau: thanks.  Who else is using it, do you know?07:31
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priteaublair: I believe it is only hard reservations07:32
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oneswigblair: are you thinking of something like spot market opportunistic availability?07:32
blaironeswig: exactly07:33
oneswigblair: me too :-)07:33
blairor at least a way to make sure that ephemeral workload can leverage the reserved infrastructure when there is not a reservation active07:33
verdurinyes, that's something we've wanted for a long time07:33
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oneswigpriteau: how much effort do you need to put into maintaining Blazar and keeping it from bit-rot?07:34
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priteauoneswig: I had a meeting some time ago with previous contributors to Blazar, from Mirantis & Red Hat. There was someone interested in using it for a project related to NFV, I can't find the name right now07:34
blairas it sounds like for a general purpose science cloud where you want this functionality you'd need to hold compute capacity aside for blazar from the rest of your usual on-demand fleet07:34
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blairit would definitely be of interest for NeCTAR07:35
blairpriteau: does it support AZs?07:35
oneswigpriteau: Chameleon uses Ironic, is Blazar managing those compute nodes or other (virtualised) nodes?07:36
priteauoneswig: There was a substantial effort in making Blazar more stable at first, as some basic validation of user input was missing or in some conditions it would fail and leave Nova in a bad state07:36
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priteauAnd as we operate the testbed we regularly make improvements07:36
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priteaujust last week I fixed an eventlet bug triggered to concurrent operations07:37
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priteaublair: I don't know if it supports AZs, we don't use them in Chameleon07:37
alogapriteau: how do you handle backfilling of nodes?07:37
priteauoneswig: in Chameleon, Blazar only manages Ironic bare-metal hosts, not KVM hypervisor nodes07:38
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priteaualoga: we don't, but our use case is very specialized, so I see how this would be needed for a general purpose compute cloud07:39
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alogablair: regarding preemtible instances, you should have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104883/07:39
oneswigThis use case is interesting for the Intel-Rackspace OSIC.  The idea that people could (to some degree) do self-service reservations of bare metal of arbitrary sizes07:39
dariovhello folks!07:39
priteaunote that in Blazar we use the physical host reservation feature, but there is also support for reserving virtualized instances (which I am not familiar with)07:39
alogapriteau: I do see this as a problem, if a user reserves one node with 1 week in advance, the node won't be used during that week07:40
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blairaloga: thanks for pointing that out, will definitely review07:40
alogablair: and of course at https://github.com/indigo-dc/opie07:40
priteaualoga: I may have misunderstood what you meant by backfilling. If user Alice reserves a node one week in advance, Bob can still reserve the same node now until next week07:40
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priteauBlazar makes sure that reservations don't overlap07:41
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alogapriteau: maybe it is my lack of knowledge about blazar (I joined late and I was having a look at the logs)07:41
alogapriteau: if alice reserves the node in today + 1 week and nobody else reserves that node using blazar07:41
alogathe node is not going to be used, as it will be removed from the "normal" nova aggregate07:42
alogaright?07:42
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priteaualoga: right, so if no other Blazar reservation is made for that node, then it isn't used, at least using the physical host reservation feature of Blazar07:42
priteauas I said I am not familiar with the other modes of reservation07:42
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blairaloga: opie looks interesting, am i right in thinking it extends the existing nova-scheduler? some of the code looks familiar07:43
alogapriteau: thanks for the information :)07:43
priteauoneswig: note that for making Blazar and Ironic "play nice together" we had to make some customizations. Blazar expects one nova-compute per physical node, while Ironic is designed to run one nova-compute per cluster07:44
oneswigpriteau: it sounds like the issue here is that nodes that are reservable by blazar must be partitioned from others, is that the case?07:44
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alogapriteau: I think that preemptible instances would be a good complement for blazar, as it would allow to fill the node until the reservation starts07:44
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alogablair: yes, you are right07:44
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priteaualoga: yes indeed it would be a good completement07:44
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alogablair: the scheduling algorithm is described in the spec07:45
alogablair: but the plumbing is basically the filtering alrogithm07:45
priteauoneswig: yes, when you register hosts to be managed by Blazar then they cannot be used without reservation anymore07:45
alogas/filtering algorithm/filter scheduler/07:46
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oneswigpriteau: do you have future plans for developing Blazar not covered yet?07:46
blairaloga: which spec, the one you mentioned earlier?07:47
alogablair: the code needs a brush up, I am currently working on this, but I keep you updated07:47
alogablair: yes07:47
blairoh ok, i didn't see any reference to "opie" when i had a quick look07:47
alogablair: basically opie's code is the materialization of the spec07:47
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priteauoneswig: first, I have many patches to Blazar that I would like to push upstream: https://github.com/ChameleonCloud/blazar/commits/chameleon07:47
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oneswigpriteau: does Blazar have CI defined for it?07:48
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priteauoneswig: for additional development, we would like to 1) improve the resource selection capabilities of Blazar 2) add support for Keystone v3 domains to the Blazar client07:49
priteauoneswig: see one of the latest patch posted: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325747/07:50
oneswigpriteau: just looked - should have done before asking :p)07:50
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oneswigAny more to cover on Blazar?07:50
oneswig#topic Reference architectures and user stories07:51
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priteauoneswig: there are unit tests and tempest tests07:51
oneswigOK, so we have some work underway to document our latest reference architecture at Cambridge Uni07:51
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oneswigNot much to report on that.07:52
oneswigJust rolling on.07:52
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oneswigI am interested to know, is there anything similar for Chameleon, or for Indigo DC,07:52
oneswigsomething that might help the Foundation's pages on how research/scientific compute can be done on OpenStack?07:53
blairi'm gonna run folks, might be missing last call for beers! ;-)07:53
oneswigThanks blair, cheers07:53
alogablair: enjoy07:53
alogaoneswig: yes, there is07:53
blairthanks priteau and aloga!07:53
priteauthanks blair07:53
blaircya oneswig07:54
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verdurinbye blair07:54
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alogaoneswig: https://arxiv.org/abs/1603.0953607:54
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oneswigHEP in this case - high energy physics?07:55
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alogaoneswig: yes07:55
priteauoneswig: we don't have this publicly available yet07:55
verdurinoneswig: I know I need to submit something about eMedLab07:55
priteauoneswig: is there a particular format that would be needed by the Foundation?07:56
oneswigverdurin: that would be great!07:56
alogaoneswig: there's also an EU deliverable, but it is a much larger version07:56
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oneswig#link www.openstack.org/user-stories - there are case studies linked to from there07:57
alogaoneswig: however, the paper is focused on HEP, but indigo goes far beyond HEP07:57
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oneswigI think there are other places where the pages are more "live" and link to blogs and external pages that are continually updated07:57
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oneswigIt would be a great help to contribute case studies to link use cases with people using OpenStack in that way07:58
oneswigfor example, I think we've all learned stuff today we didn't expect07:59
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oneswigAh, we are out of time for the week.07:59
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oneswigThank you for coming!08:00
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oneswigI'll read on with interest08:00
priteauoneswig: thank you for inviting me! I hope my input on Blazar was helpful08:00
alogaoneswig: thank you for chairing08:00
oneswigcertainly was08:00
verdurinVery interesting, priteau08:00
oneswig#endmeeting08:01
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coolsvap#startmeeting requirements12:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  8 12:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is coolsvap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:00
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coolsvap#topic rollcall12:01
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coolsvap#topic Any controversies in the Queue?12:03
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coolsvapThe review queue is good this week12:03
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number80o/12:03
coolsvapanyone has anything to bring up?12:03
dimscoolsvap : yes, how to deal with new-release topic reviews - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/requirements+branch:master+topic:new-release12:04
dirkgood one12:05
dirkI think we talked about that a few days ago, right?12:05
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dimscoolsvap : my proposal is to not merge them immediately as-is. They should be merged AFTER we get confirmation from sniff tests12:05
toabctlhi12:05
dimsso everyone cool with that?12:05
coolsvapdims, i am fine with it12:05
dirkdims: yes12:06
coolsvapand i think thats what we agreed upon when we last discussed12:06
dirkdims: only thing I'd love to have is something reporting back whether sniff tests were successful or not12:06
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dimsdirk : /me too12:06
number80wfm12:06
coolsvapdirk, good point12:06
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dimsdirk : looking at sniff tests output is a bit subjective12:07
coolsvapdims, can we work on a poc to add the sniff tests as experimental gate?12:07
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dimscoolsvap : yes, that's a possible option12:07
coolsvapthat way we can see the feasibility for checking the results12:08
coolsvapand option to increase or modify the sniff tests12:08
dirkdims: is it somehow possible to just include the jobs that we care about directly on the requirements repo ?12:08
dirkso that we don't have to do those sniff prs ?12:08
dirkI am not sure I understand why we have the sniff prs in the other repos rather than having them always run as e.g. experimental gate for changes on the requirements repo itself12:08
dirkthere are not that many prs per day so the overhead of always running them should be acceptable12:08
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dimsdirk : i won't have time to drive it. but i highly encourage alternatives12:10
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dimswill involve talking to infra and folks like sdague and mtreinish and others who know all this stuff inside out12:10
coolsvaplets do this12:11
dimsexample : i setup jobs for running oslo.* from master against different py27/34 jobs from other projects periodically - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dims-periodic-jobs12:12
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dimsi have another one i'd like to share12:13
dimshttp://logs.openstack.org/17/324817/4/check/gate-requirements-tox-py27-with-upper-constraints/9cf40f4/console.html#_2016-06-06_20_24_09_49912:13
dimsi have this in progress https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325658/ for fixing that12:14
dimsso please review that12:14
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coolsvapdims, sure thanks for the info12:15
* dirk is amazed at that PR and has no idea what it does12:15
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* coolsvap thinks its related to gate-requirements-tox-py27-with-upper-constraints failure 12:16
coolsvap;)12:16
dimsdirk : pip install of pykerberos fails, so we need to apt/rpm install some things so the headers etc are present when we try a pip install12:16
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dimsthe files/syntax is magic from infra, i just looked at one of the things they did and follow the same pattern12:16
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coolsvapi am not sure if we should add an action item for this?12:17
dimsnah, just so you know what to do next time :)12:18
coolsvapdims, alright lets see the feasibility of the gate job for sniff tests12:18
dirkdims: right, I get the problem, I would have just not been able to figure out how to fix that myself12:18
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dimsdirk : y, lot of grepping involved12:19
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coolsvapreiterate in next meetings12:19
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coolsvap#topic Tasks from Etherpad12:19
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coolsvap#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks12:19
coolsvapI have done most of the cleanup-cruft for packages not consumed by projects12:21
dirkhooray12:21
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coolsvaprelated to it i have one suggestion12:21
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coolsvapwe need to update it a bit https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/README.rst#for-new-requirements12:21
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coolsvaplike we need to ask which project will consume new added package12:22
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dimscoolsvap : +1 to file review for that12:23
coolsvapdims, thanks will add this review today12:23
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dimsfor the cruft work, we need to bump up to next level12:24
dimsfor example http://markmail.org/message/lqmx2g3no7z3r6o412:24
dimswe need to get rid of httplib2 from projects12:24
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dimsso we need to find usages, ping people, do what it takes, it's a bit evangelization, bit outreach etc12:25
coolsvapdims, ack lets do this12:25
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dirkdims: yeah, but isn't that mostly about creating a feature blueprint /s pec for the relevant project so that they tackle it on their own?12:26
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dirksome things like removing discover is easy but others like getting rid of httplib / httplib2 is a lot of work12:26
dimsdirk : sure, we need to maintain info and follow up12:26
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dirkyeah, basically we need to have a master blueprint that we push over a release cycle to deprecate and remove use of a certain library12:27
dimsy, we need to make a list of libraries we are going to chase cleanup for12:28
dimsprobably maintain an etherpad for this?12:28
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coolsvapyes12:29
coolsvapwe can use the existing etherpad12:29
dimssure12:29
dimsAnother one, there's a new kid in the block - pycryptodome (https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pycryptodome) which is a fork of pycrypto12:30
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dimssome projects we use are trying to switch to it like pysaml212:30
dimsand we ran into issues with Nova for example - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279909/12:31
dimsso even though pycryptodome is not in g-c/u-c right now. it will start leaking in and take over i think12:31
coolsvaplets add these to the etherpad at the top, most of the existing cruft tasks outlined are done12:32
dimsi did some experiments a while ago - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/pycryptodome12:32
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dimsthe idea here is to figure out how to transition projects from one to another and tolerate if either one of them is installed in the changeover time period12:33
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coolsvapdims, yes12:35
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coolsvap#action take remove-cruft to next level and add packages that need replacement or removal to the etherpad with some plan of action12:36
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coreycbcoolsvap, is this the etherpad you referred to? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-cruft12:36
coolsvapcoreycb, yes12:36
coolsvap#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-cruft12:36
coreycbcoolsvap, ok12:36
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coolsvapanything else on this topic?12:37
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dimsone last tip from me is to talk to folks like dhellmann and haypo (Victor Stinner, working on python3 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3) about things that we will end up consuming sooner or later12:37
coolsvapdims, noted12:39
dimsif you see dependencies status on the wiki page, you will get an idea of things that are likely to change soon-ish12:39
dimsoh, standardization of the ldap libraries, we need to track keystone team's progress and talk to them periodically12:39
dimsthat's all i had :)12:40
coreycbdims, I just added ldap to the etherpad12:40
coreycbwell, it was there but I added a note about using just one. if that's what you meant.12:40
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dimsright, we need to ping on or before milestone 2 for newton so we know if we'll end up with 2 libs and push towards just one12:41
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coreycbdims, ok12:42
coolsvapmoving on12:42
coolsvap#topic Open Discussion12:42
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coolsvapseems like we dont have topics for open discussion :)12:44
dimsfyi, i'll ping existing cores in a week to come up with new members.12:44
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dimsso i can stop being the sole +2 ...12:44
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dimsi am hoping all of you had a good chance to learn what's needed to be done here12:45
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coolsvapdims, yes i think this is something we should adapt going ahead +2*2 +W12:45
dimscoolsvap : yes, once we have the new folks joining, we should switch back to regular voting habits12:45
dimsexcept for the ones we document as needing a single +212:46
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coolsvapsure12:47
coolsvapany last comments from anyone?12:48
dimscoolsvap : ask for volunteers for next 2 meetings?12:49
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coolsvapany volunteers for next two meetings?12:49
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coolsvapdirk, coreycb ^^12:50
dimslooks like folks have wandered away :) let's wrap this up. thanks for running the meeting12:50
coreycbcoolsvap, sure12:51
coolsvapdims, yeah will you be able to run the next meeting or you want me to?12:51
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coolsvaplook we found one :)12:51
coolsvapcoreycb, will you be able to run the next meeting?12:51
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coreycbcoolsvap, yes I can, mind sending me info for doing so?12:51
coolsvapcoreycb, sure will let you know12:52
coreycbcoolsvap, thanks12:52
coolsvapending today's meeting12:52
coolsvapthanks folks for the time :) see you in #openstack-requirements12:53
coolsvap#endmeeting12:53
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joehuanghello13:00
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joehuanghi13:00
Yipeihi13:00
joehuanghello, Yipei13:00
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Yipeihi, Joe13:01
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  8 13:01:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tricircle'13:01
joehuanghello, tomorrow is China's public holiday13:02
zhiyuanhi13:02
joehuangI am afraid some team members will not be available13:02
joehuang#rollcall13:02
joehuang#topic rollcall13:02
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joehuang#info joehuang13:03
Yipei#info Yipei13:03
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joehuanghi Zhiyuan13:03
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:03
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joehuang#info the PyPI package has been registered and the publish to pypi job also has been configured13:04
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joehuangso it would be good to have a release to test the process work or not, that means if there is a new tag or release13:05
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joehuangthe package should be able to be published to pypi13:05
joehuangand can install Tricircle through pip install13:06
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joehuangso I prepare a list of patches which could be cherrypick to the stable/mitaka branch, so that we can have a new tag like 2.0.1 release13:07
joehuangplease have a look in the maillist13:07
joehuangcheck to see whether it's ok13:07
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zhiyuanbut previously we tried to cherry-pick to stable/mitaks branch and failed13:07
joehuangnow this issue has been fixed by infra team13:08
joehuangand all patches were successfully merged now13:08
zhiyuancool13:08
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joehuang#action cherrypick select patches to stable/mitaka, then have a new tag 2.0.1 in stable/mitaka branch for release13:09
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joehuangok, Yipei, how about your progress in dynamic pod binding?13:10
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Yipeii read the source code of nova scheduler, but still don't have idea about how to start designing the framework13:12
Yipeiit seems a lot work to do13:12
Yipeidesign a filter first?13:13
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zhiyuani think not a filter, but a framework to allow the filter to work13:14
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joehuangzhiyuan is correct13:14
zhiyuanwhen nova api gateway starts, load the filters. when provision VM, apply filters to select a pod13:15
zhiyuanyou should design the interfaces of the filters13:15
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zhiyuanlike what functions should be implemented, what parameters these functions should have13:16
joehuangit's a common functionalities both for Nova and cinder13:16
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Yipeiok. i see13:17
zhiyuanoh, then cinder api gateway also loads the filters13:17
joehuangHello, Zhiyuan, there is a good news from L2GW?13:17
Yipeiok. got it. i will take it into consideration13:18
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zhiyuanyes, i have successfully connected two OpenStack instances with L2 gateway. the original L2 gateway plugin is extended to support remote L2 gateway. also, hardware_vtep schema needs to be extended.13:19
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Yipeianother problem, when i execute unit tests by tox, the error "no module named cinderclient". does it mean i need to run unit tests in complete openstack environment?13:20
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joehuangGreat news, zhiyuan13:21
joehuang#info successfully connected two OpenStack instances with L2 gateway. the original L2 gateway plugin is extended to support remote L2 gateway. also, hardware_vtep schema needs to be extended13:21
zhiyuanstrange, i remember that tox will install the dependency and cinderclient is in the requirement list13:22
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Yipeipython-cinderclient is installed in my environment13:22
joehuangthe cinderclient should be installed in the venv when you execute the tox13:22
joehuangtox will start a venv and install dependency in the venv13:23
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Yipeii first execute tox -e py27 --notest, and tox install all the dependency13:24
Yipeiin py27 environment13:25
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joehuangno need to plus --notest13:26
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joehuangand try in a clean environment13:26
Yipeiok, i will try again13:26
joehuanggood13:26
Yipeiin a clean environment13:26
joehuangother topics?13:27
Yipeiabout my spec file13:27
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Yipeido i miss any content in spec file?13:28
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joehuangShinobu's comment not covered13:28
joehuangand new patch is needed13:29
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Yipeiok, i will add some description about key concept, and update the commit message13:30
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joehuangThe title of " Add specification file of dynamic pod binding" is not good13:31
Yipeiok, i will revise it13:31
joehuangAdd specification for dynamic pod binding will be better13:31
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joehuang"Add specification for dynamic pod binding" will be better13:32
joehuangother topics could be discussed in next weekly meeting13:32
Yipeiok13:32
joehuanglet's end the meeting here13:33
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joehuang#endmeeting13:33
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Jun  8 13:33:26 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:33
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zhiyuanbye13:33
joehuangsee you. Have a joyful holiday13:33
Yipeibye13:33
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Zaraanyone about for the storyboard meeting?15:00
Zarait's time!15:00
anteayahello15:00
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Zarawho wants to chair?15:00
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Zaraguess it's me!15:01
Zara#startmeeting storyboard15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  8 15:01:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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Zara#topic Announcements15:01
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SotKo/15:01
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SotKsorry15:01
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Zaraheh, np15:01
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Zarano annoucements listed; I miss anything?15:01
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SotKI don't think so15:02
SotKoh15:02
SotKbug day maybe?15:02
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Zaraah, okay, was going to bring it up later but can now!15:02
ZaraYeah, we're doing a bugsquash15:02
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Zara#openstack-sprint, 48hrs, 22nd and 23rd15:02
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anteayayay!15:03
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Zarathis is for bugs in storyboard. so that gives us a couple of weeks to tag bugs as low-hanging-fruit in preparation15:03
anteaya#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#StoryBoard_Bug_Sprint15:03
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anteayagreat15:03
Zarain the hopes that it's an easyish way for new contributors to get involved!15:03
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anteayathat is the hope15:03
Zaraso yeah, if you're filing stories that can be classed as low-hanging-fruit in the next coupla weeks, please make that extra effort to tag them15:04
anteayaI've filed a bunch of stories but am not really sure how they should be tagged15:04
Zaraand if you're interested  in squashing bugs, hope to see you there! :) or start early, if you want! ;)15:04
anteayaso I welcome guidance on that15:04
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Zaraif you don't know how much work they'll be, it's probably hard to give a set of rules to estimate; I suspect the only way people will know is if they already work on the storyboard code15:05
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anteayayeah, I have no idea15:06
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Zarayeah, so probably best not to tag in that case, or for someone who's worked more with the code to tag them later15:07
anteayaokay great, thank you15:07
Zaranp. :) I'll write up an email in a bit if the date works for everyone; this is a good time to check15:07
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anteayadates work for me15:07
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Zaracool, if anyone objects they have time to read this and say something in #storyboard in the next hour, I guess!15:08
Zaramoving on...15:08
anteayaawesome15:08
Zara#topic Urgent Items15:08
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ZaraNone listed, I miss anything?15:08
Zarawould assume it's not that urgent if I did and nobody listed it15:08
Zara:P15:08
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SotKI don't think there's anything15:09
Zara#topic In-progres Work15:09
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Zarahm15:09
Zara#undo15:09
openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7fe237645e90>15:09
Zara#topic In-Progress Work15:09
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Zarathere15:09
anteaya:)15:09
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ZaraSo, I'm listed as gerrit integration; I haven't done any more work on that as I was on holiday and have now returned to a massive pile of reviews15:10
anteayayup, fair enough15:10
ZaraI suspect I will be on review-duty for a while to come, so that's on hiatus15:10
ZaraI mentioned it in the infra meeting, anyway, not much to add to that15:10
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Zarazaro did say that the gerrit plugin might only work with an older version of gerrit15:10
anteayahe did so15:11
anteayaI've been pondering that comment all night15:11
Zara(so will repeat that here for wider exposure, in case anyone finds that helpful)15:11
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Zaraso the first step with the plugin approach will be seeing if the work so far works with current gerrit15:11
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Zarathen using my horrible python bot as guidance for what we want the plugin to do next15:12
anteayasounds reasonable15:12
Zaraand if for some reason current gerrit causes insurmountable trouble, we can fall back on the bot, though I think that scenario's unlikely15:12
SotKI'm listed as Project Teams, I haven't done anything more on that since last time (patches are still hanging around I think)15:13
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SotKI've sent patches for many niggly bugs though15:13
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anteayaSotK: what is the status of project teams?15:13
Zarayeah, those patches have -1s from verification15:13
Zarathe teams ones15:13
SotKI think its from when there were some issues15:14
Zara(they might just need rechecks; I started with things that had a +1 and passed tests)15:14
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Zarabecause did I mention that wall of review? :D15:14
SotKthey do, something was up with the test nodes I think15:14
anteayathere were issues last week, yes15:14
ZaraSotK: okay, do you mind going through rechecking?15:15
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SotKwill do15:15
Zara(I can do it if it's hassle)15:15
Zarajust figured you'd know which things were failing for reasons and which weren't15:15
Zarasince probably still in your recent memory15:16
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Zarathanks for the bugfixing patches, too15:16
SotKI've also been working on making the events timeline more timeliney15:16
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Zara\o/15:17
SotKand less "wall of grey"-ey15:17
anteayacan I ask what you mean by timeliney?15:17
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SotKI'll push my current state and show you the draft, its probably easier to do that than trying to explain it15:18
anteayaSotK: sounds good thank you15:18
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SotKthis will lead to proper permalinks and no more pagination too15:19
anteayaah wonderful!15:19
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persiaShiny!15:19
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Zara:)15:20
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ZaraI'm really happy you've been able to get to this15:20
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SotKoh, and threaded comments15:20
ZaraIt's another of those 'this was on my todo list months ago, then it wasn't' things15:20
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Zaraand YAY15:20
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SotKno comment on eta for all that yet though :)15:21
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anteayafair enough15:21
anteayathanks for doing the work15:21
Zaraby the time it gets to the bugsquash, all the bugs will be squashed! :P15:22
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SotKI doubt that somehow15:22
Zaraaw15:22
Zaraany other in-progress work?15:22
anteayaI'm working on the infra spec15:22
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anteayamy first task is to identify stakeholders which I am working on doing15:23
anteayaif you have any thoughts on who might be a stakeholder let me know15:23
anteaya#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/task-tracker.html#work-items15:23
anteayaFacilitator identifies feature stakeholders from the OpenStack community15:23
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Zaraokay, keep us posted! :)15:26
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anteayathanks I will15:26
Zaraany more for any more?15:27
anteayanone from me15:27
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Zarain that case...15:27
Zara#topic Discussion Topics (bugsquash)15:28
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Zara#info we covered that earlier, scroll up!15:28
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Zarajust for the logs15:28
Zara#topic Open Discussion15:28
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Zaradiscuss away15:28
anteayajust to say nice work15:29
anteayaand thank you15:29
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Zarayeah, I've been on holiday, so thanks SotK!15:30
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anteayathanks SotK15:31
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SotKnp :)15:31
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ZaraI'm looking forward to events timeline things so much :')15:32
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Zaraanyway, I don't have anything much to say, can give this meeting 5mins or so jic15:33
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Zaraending this meeting in 515:40
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ZaraMEETING ENDS15:40
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Zara#endmeeting15:40
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  8 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l16:00
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sheelhey16:00
duleko/16:00
scottdahi16:00
jgregorHello16:00
jseilerhi16:00
geguileoHi16:00
rajiniro/16:00
diablo_rojoHello :)16:00
Swansonhello16:00
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tbarronhi16:00
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smcginnisHey everyone16:00
ntpttr_hi all16:00
adrianofrhello16:00
flip214hohoho16:00
smcginnis#topic Announcements16:00
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jungleboyjHello!16:01
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smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review tracking16:01
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smcginnisWe have a few things there that could use some attention.16:01
mtaninohi16:01
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smcginnisCould I get at least two cores to put your names down for each of the new driver submissions?16:01
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bswartz1Hi16:02
smcginnisNon-cores welcome as well.16:02
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smcginnisIt would be nice to help these and get them out of the way.16:02
diablo_rojosmcginnis: I've been trying to keep up with the driver reviews16:02
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smcginnisI have a feeling a few of them are not going to make it in Newton based on the lack of activity, but we'll see.16:02
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Thanks!16:02
hemnahi16:03
_alastor_hi16:03
dulekWhat's the status of generic volume group blueprint? I see it's not accepted in launchpad.16:03
smcginnisOnce we get the drivers out of the way, I'm hoping we can just focus on the priorities we've identified for the release.16:03
smcginnisdulek: I need to look at the latest update.16:03
smcginnisI think the last rev I looked at was pretty close.16:03
smcginnisDoesn't look like Xing is here.16:04
duleksmcginnis: Ah, okay, it's spec-first, then launchpad bp?16:04
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smcginnisdulek: Oh, wait. I can approve the bp. Must have just missed that.16:04
smcginnisThere are a few blueprints marked as Discussion. I wanted to start bringing them up here so we can talk through them and either approve or get rid of.16:05
smcginnisBut I didn't get the info pulled together, so I'll try to do that for the next meeting.16:05
smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle Planning16:05
smcginnisJust a reminder for the midcycle.16:06
smcginnisIf you are going, please add your name there.16:06
smcginnisMake sure you book hotel ASAP.16:06
smcginnisAnd whether you are able to attend or not, if you have any topics that should be discussed, please add them to the bottom of the etherpad.16:06
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smcginnisscottda: Anything to say about the midcycle? Anything we should be aware of or questions on your end for preparing?16:07
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scottdasmcginnis: Nope. We're set with the rooms16:07
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scottdaThat's about all I do to prepare :)16:07
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jungleboyjscottda: How's the wireless?  Do we have google access?16:08
jungleboyj;-)16:08
scottdajungleboyj: Good question. Probably will be the same as last time (Google issues)16:08
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smcginnis:)16:08
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jungleboyjscottda: You gotta stop spamming google with bad requests.16:08
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diablo_rojoscottda: Will there be ham sammiches for lunch?16:09
smcginnisA little annoying, but we made it work last time.16:09
scottda#ban diablo_rojo16:09
scottdaHey, is that a real command?16:09
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smcginnisJust makes you appreciate all the more how much you use Google.16:09
smcginnis:)16:09
diablo_rojoscottda: I can still talk :P16:09
smcginnisscottda: I think so, but / instead of # :)16:10
smcginnisOK, one more thing I wanted to bring up.16:10
scottdaOK, I'll stop messing with such things. Even if diablo_rojo deserves it16:10
smcginnisPlease take a look at some of the review info:16:10
smcginnis#link http://cinderstats-dellstorage.rhcloud.com/cinder-openreviews.html Cinder Reviews16:10
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smcginnisSpecifically, at the botton are a few lists based on the longest time.16:10
smcginnisIf we could get some attention on some of those that have been sitting out there waiting for a while.16:11
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smcginnisThat would be goodness.16:11
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smcginnisSeems to be taking a little longer lately for patches to make their way through, so if we can at least get some of the older ones out of the way it would help.16:12
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smcginnisOK, that's all I had.16:12
smcginnisNothing else on the agenda...16:12
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smcginnisAny other topics to bring up?16:12
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smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:13
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hemnasmcginnis, any idea when we are going to cut clients/libs ?16:13
DuncanTThere's the list manageable patch16:13
DuncanTCould do with eyes from the people who initially objected16:13
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smcginnishemna: We got the client recently. We're probably about due for a brick release.16:13
hemnasmcginnis, yah that's what I'm thinking16:13
smcginnisI haven't looked at what's merged since the last one. Anything critical we get out there?16:13
hemnawe should figure out what we want to get in and when we want to cut it16:13
smcginnishemna: Yeah, good idea.16:14
hemnawe can do that after the meeting16:14
smcginnisDuncanT: Do you have that link handy?16:14
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DuncanTsmcginnis: sorry, no16:14
smcginnise0ne: No need for a brick client release yet, right?16:14
scottda#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285296 for list manageable16:15
e0nesmcginnis: I would like to get merged 2 my patches to os-brick16:15
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hemnae0ne, which ?16:15
smcginnisscottda: Beat me to it!16:15
hemnae0ne, nm, I see them16:15
hemnae0ne, I'll look at them today16:15
e0nesmcginnis: we've got 2 commits since last brickclient release16:15
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e0nehemna: thanks! one of them you reviewed already16:16
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smcginnise0ne: OK, just let me know when you think it's at the point where it would be useful to do another release.16:16
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e0nehemna: the second one is not blocking yet, just cinder's code cleanup16:16
hemnait's been a while since the last release16:16
sheele0ne: As we are talking about patches and reviews.. I too want to project API-Ref patch which needs review.. Its blocking other API-Ref patches..16:16
sheelhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/316587/16:17
hemnae0ne, HP CI passed, so I approved that one16:17
e0nehemna: thanks16:17
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e0nesheel: I'll review it later tonight16:17
sheele0ne: thanks16:17
e0nesmcginnis: IMO, we can do release of brick-client now16:18
smcginnisOh, guess I had one other thing. Any object to me blowing away all the old meeting agendas? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings16:18
smcginnise0ne: OK, I'll prep for that.16:18
flip214"blowing away" as in "moving to another page"? no.16:18
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e0nesmcginnis: 1 new feature and 1 UX improvement16:18
flip214simply dropping? yes.16:18
e0nehemna: do you agree with me?16:18
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smcginnisAll meetings are captured and logged. I was going to remove the agendas and just link to the archives.16:18
jgriffithsmcginnis: +116:18
smcginnisflip214: Yep, dropping.16:18
flip214because I sometimes need to look up certain discussion points - and that is a quick way to find out which logfile to consult.16:19
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hemnae0ne, yah16:19
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hemnae0ne, I'd like to get the rbd stuff in16:19
diablo_rojoit would be much cleaner16:19
eharneypresumably the history will still be in the wiki anyway, right?16:19
smcginnisjgriffith: Probably don't care what the agenda was on Aug 21, 2013. ;)16:19
jgriffithsmcginnis: exactly :)16:19
smcginniseharney: Yeah16:19
flip214well, if the wiki can give old revisions, I'm fine with that too.16:19
e0nehemna: I'm all for it. let's wait for eharney and/or jbernard reviews16:19
DuncanTflip214: It's a wiki, you can always get to the old revisions16:19
smcginnisAnd with the talk of the wiki going away, not sure any of this is worth migrating somewhere else anyway.16:19
hemnae0ne, ok sounds good16:20
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e0neeharney: FYI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326696/16:20
flip214"always", ha!  ;)16:20
hemnae0ne, anything that eliminates duplicate code, I'm all for16:20
e0ne:)16:20
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hemnae0ne, I still have my lvm work that I need to rebase and get done too.16:20
DuncanTflip214: apt-get install git-mediawiki and keep a local copy :-)16:20
bswartz1flip214: you can mirror the eavesdrop site and grep the logs too16:20
e0nehemna: I didn't finish all work with RBDConnector yet, but let's do it step by step16:20
Swanson(wiki is going away?)16:21
flip214both suggestions are OUCH16:21
smcginnisSwanson: That's the talk.16:21
smcginnisToo much hassle with spammers and security concerns.16:21
hemnae0ne, +116:21
Swansonsmcginnis, and replacing it with? nothing?16:21
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hemnasmcginnis, :(16:22
smcginnisSwanson: TBD. Probably a combination of devref, eavsedrop, and other tools.16:22
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smcginnishemna: yep16:22
hemnaplease don't tell me they want to move to etherpad16:22
smcginnisHah16:22
hemnaetherpad = ass16:22
bswartz1Wiki will be replaced with Etherpad, because there are no security or spam issues there...16:22
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hemnabswartz1, +116:22
jgriffithdevref seems like a way better answer... wiki's suck16:22
smcginnisThat actually was one piece mentioned to replace some of the content.16:22
smcginnisbswartz1: :)16:22
Swansonit is the security of etherpad that I like the most.16:22
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jgriffithincorrect, outdated black-hole of info16:22
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flip214bswartz1: not yet.16:22
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smcginnisSwanson: And it's searchability.16:23
hemnaso, to put up an agenda, we do a git review on a devref repo ?16:23
hemnaand have to get +A's for those ?16:23
smcginnishemna: No idea yet.16:23
hemnasmh16:23
hemnaI like git and all, but that's just nutty16:23
jgriffithhemna: we've done similar things on TC meetings... not as bad as it sounds16:23
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smcginnisProbably some different repo or something. A lot of details to work out and discussion to be had before any of that happens.16:23
Swansonjgriffith, yes it is. You've been brainwashed.16:24
jgriffithsmcginnis: yeah... special repo, similar to how specs are dealt with16:24
dulekhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096481.html - on the Wiki.16:24
jgriffithSwanson: haah.. possibly16:24
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smcginnisAnyone got anything else?16:25
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Swansonjust use twitter and hashbrown cinder-meeting,16:25
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smcginnisPut our agendas in hipchat, discuss them in Slack, then record them in IRC.16:25
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smcginnisAnd live tweet them too.16:26
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jgriffithI would just ask all those complaining about the loss of a wiki, are you spending time keeping all of them accurate and updated?  Do you even know where they all are :)16:26
* DuncanT suggests trained pidgeons16:26
jgriffithsmcginnis: oh... that's perfect!!!16:26
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jgriffithsmcginnis: that's sort of like my current workflow in the new company16:26
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Swansonjgriffith, nope. it is a sea of disinformation with the information you're looking for buried like a precious acorn in the ground. The joy of finding it is amazing.16:27
jgriffithsmcginnis: but you need to throw in Hangouts and Jabber16:27
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smcginnisjgriffith: LOL16:27
hemnawe need an irc bot that tweets16:27
smcginnisjgriffith: You must be lovin' life. :)16:27
jgriffithSwanson: and there's my point :)16:27
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hemna#tweet gerrit UI sucks16:27
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diablo_rojohemna: Does that actually work?16:27
smcginnishaha, love it.16:28
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hemnadiablo_rojo, no, but it should!16:28
smcginnisOK, I think we've gone past the point of productivity here. Thanks everyone!16:28
hemna:)16:28
smcginnis#endmeeting16:28
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jungleboyjThanks!16:29
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sheelThank you!!16:29
e0nesee you next week!16:29
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jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  8 17:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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JayFo/17:00
jroll\o17:00
sambettso/17:00
rpioso\o17:01
krtayloro/17:01
rlooo/17:01
cdearborn\o17:01
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jlvillalThis snuck up on me as I was getting excited about Grenade :)17:01
jlvillalAs always the Agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA17:01
jlvillal#topic Announcements17:01
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jlvillal#info Grenade is almost done. One patch remaining to be merged!17:01
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rloo:D17:02
vdroko/17:02
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devananda\o17:02
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jlvillal#info Thank you to everyone who has worked on this. I would like to especially thank vdrok and vsaienko for their great work! спасибо!17:03
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vdrok:D17:03
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jlvillalThose are all the announcements I have before moving on to the Grenade section.17:04
vdrokthanks jlvillal17:04
jroll\o/17:04
jlvillalAnyone have any announcements?17:04
jlvillalvdrok: No, thank you :)17:04
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jlvillalOkay moving on17:04
jlvillal#topic Grenade17:04
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jlvillal#info Down to one patch remaining. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316662/  Currently has one +2 and a LOT of +1s17:05
jlvillal#info JayF has graciously volunteered to submit a patch to move Grenade jobs from experimental to non-voting17:05
jroll++17:05
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JayFhttps://review.openstack.org/327246 Upgrade Ironic grenade jobs to -nv in check queue17:06
jlvillal#info https://review.openstack.org/327246 Upgrade Ironic grenade jobs to -nv in check queue17:06
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rloowhen it becomes non-voting, it'll be done for every patch, right?17:06
jlvillalAs a note Grenade jobs do take a long time to run.  About 90 minutes.17:06
jlvillalrloo: Correct.17:06
rlooOH. 90 minutes. wow.17:06
jlvillalrloo: Currently it is experimental. So only ran if someone did a "check experimental" comment17:07
devanandajlvillal: what projects' pipelines do you plan to put that job in?17:07
thiagopGreat job, folks17:07
jlvillalYeah, it basically runs the tests twice.17:07
jlvillaldevananda: openstack/ironic17:07
vdrokoops https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319336/17:07
jlvillalvdrok: ??17:07
vdrokjayf jlvillal ^17:07
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vdrokthere is another one already17:08
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rloovasyl is one step ahead of us :)17:08
JayFShouldn't we also have the job -nv on grenade as well?17:08
JayFSo grenade doesn't break us?17:08
devanandaJayF: yea, tht's what I was thinking17:09
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jrollis partial doing what we expect it to yet? (what does it do today)17:09
jlvillal#info We should propose to have the Ironic grenade job as non-voting on the Grenade job.17:09
JayFI'll abandon my patch and comment on the one vdrok linked17:09
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vdrokthanks JayF17:09
devanandaJayF: we may or may not be able to make the job voting on grenade itself, but at least maintaining an -nv job there will help us spot issues17:09
jrollI don't feel like we should have a non-voting job on partial if it isn't doing what we want (and iirc it isn't)17:09
JayFWhat is the expected difference?17:10
vdrokjroll: yep, I think so too17:10
jrollJayF: partial should upgrade only conductor, not api17:10
jlvillalI am not sure if partial is doing what it should be doing. I haven't dug into it.17:10
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thiagopWhat about the "post" pipeline?17:10
jlvillalvdrok: Do you know?17:10
vdrokjlvillal: iirc it only does the ironic upgrade17:11
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vdrokstops both api and conductor and then starts them again17:11
jrollwhich is useful - but not what we're trying to do (yet)17:11
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jlvillalBut maybe upgrading too much then?17:11
jrollthiagop: that's for jobs that run after merge, tests aren't useful there17:11
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jlvillalSo jroll, you want partial to only upgrade the conductor.  Correct?17:12
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jrollyes, that's intended to test the in-between for rolling upgrades17:12
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thiagopjroll: since grenade is an "upgrade" job, we could still fix things before the next release if the job is on post, right?17:13
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jlvillal#info Grenade partial job should only upgrade the Ironic Conductor service and not the Ironic API service17:13
jrollthiagop: idk if I get your point or question?17:13
JayFthiagop: post jobs are for things like publishing17:13
JayFthiagop: you don't run post jobs to make sure things work, because they're post merge and that's too late17:14
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jrollthiagop: the goal is run non-voting for a bit, make sure it's stable, then make it voting in check/gate so we can't merge a break in17:14
thiagopjroll: understood17:14
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jlvillaljroll: So we think the partial job is currently upgrading both Ironic services. Is that okay to be a non-voting job until we fix it to be only Conductor?17:14
jlvillalOr hold off it until it is?17:14
JayFI mean the only reason to promote it before it's working would be to avoid another round of reviews17:15
JayFwhich is a silly reason imo17:15
JayFand somewhat wasteful of resources17:15
jrollthiagop: (fwiw, this is the usual process)17:15
jrollyeah, that will just waste resources17:15
rloohold off. why spend 90 minutes on grenade when you don't have to17:15
jroll++17:15
thiagopjroll: I know it is, just thinking about the time it tooks to run17:15
jlvillalAre we talking about post jobs or the partial jobs. /me getting confused.17:16
jrollthiagop: I think it's worth the extra 30 minutes to make sure we don't break master17:16
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jlvillal+++17:16
jrolljlvillal: the partial jobs, would be a waste of resources17:16
jlvillalOkay. So only make the one Grenade job voting for now17:16
jroll(until they do the right thing)17:17
jrollnon-voting, but yes17:17
rlooright, jroll commented in the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319336/17:17
jrollyep17:17
jlvillalJust refreshed and saw. Thanks17:17
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jlvillal#info Will want to get the standard Grenade job made non-voting.  partial should not be made non-voting until we have partial only upgrading the conductor.17:18
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jlvillalAnything else for Grenade?17:18
jlvillalOkay.17:19
jlvillalOnce again thanks to everyone :)17:19
jlvillal#topic Functional testing17:19
sambetts\o/17:19
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jlvillalAny updates?17:19
jrollI have one!17:19
jlvillal:)17:20
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jrollwe decided last week to remove this from the agenda, iirc17:20
krtayloroh, I was going to remove this and General topics17:20
jrolluntil someone is working on it17:20
jroll:)17:20
krtayloryes17:20
krtaylor:)17:20
jlvillal#info remove functional testing from the agenda17:20
jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI17:20
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* krtaylor is doing that now17:20
jlvillalThanks17:20
krtayloroh, in  asec17:20
jlvillalThe floor now belongs to krtaylor17:21
jrollI keep saying I'm going to get stackalytics updated but I've been lagging on that, apologies :(17:21
krtaylornothing to report from me, anyone have anyhting to discuss?17:21
krtaylorjroll, what to update?17:21
jrollkrtaylor: rather make sure it's up to date17:21
jrolle.g. drac driver is missing17:21
rlooadd an action item for jroll pleez17:21
krtaylorjroll, gotcha17:21
jrollrloo: it's already on personal todo list, that won't help me (but if it helps you bug me then maybe it's useful) :)17:22
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rloojroll: just something to add to this meeting :D17:22
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jrollheh17:22
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jlvillalrloo: Add it to the Trello board ;)17:22
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rloojroll: is that something that someone else could do instead?17:23
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jrollrloo: probably17:23
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jrollI tend to try and take gruntwork like that so y'all don't have to17:23
rloojroll: oh, thought it would be good to spread the gruntwork around.17:23
sambettsI updated the Cisco drivers on there, shouldn't some of the driver owners be responsible for updating it?17:23
* rloo doesn't volunteer though17:24
jrollrloo: I'm happy to pass it off17:24
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krtaylorI'll take that on17:24
jrollthe reason I took it is I wanted to make very sure it was accurate17:24
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krtaylorI've already crawled through most of it anyway17:24
jrollkrtaylor: <3, feel free to ping me for a review17:24
krtaylorjroll, I can do it and then go over it with you for completeness17:24
krtaylorys17:24
jroll++17:24
jrollthanks17:24
krtaylorI've been using this too: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic&time=7+days17:25
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krtaylorfor watching what systems are reporting17:25
jrolloh nice17:25
jroll++17:25
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sambetts++17:26
krtaylorits also in the CI status wiki table header17:26
krtaylor#link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic&time=7+days17:26
krtayloroh, jlvillal may need to do that17:26
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jrollnah, #link works for everyone17:26
krtayloroh, good17:26
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jlvillalkrtaylor: You can do it.17:27
thiagopnice link krtaylor17:27
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krtaylor#action krtaylor to go through stackalytics and make sure all test systems are there, then review with jroll17:28
krtayloranything else from anyone on CI topics?17:28
JayFYes, but not 3rd party ci17:29
jlvillalkrtaylor: done?17:29
krtaylorsure, lets move on17:29
jlvillal#topic Open Discussion17:29
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jlvillalThe floor is open.17:30
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jlvillalI think I saw JayF with his hand up...17:30
JayFSo I obviously got something merged last week to make Ironic jobs use tinyipa and ipxe instead of bigipa and regular-pxe17:30
JayFI attempted to prove this lowered time it took to run CI using graphite.o.o, but it looked like wait_time values weren't populated17:30
JayFif anyone knows how to navigate that stuff better than I, I'd love to be able to show a difference in speed of CI since the change17:30
JayFthe pass/fail rate is a little better, but honestly not enough data to make a call there yet17:31
JayFthat's all I wanted to say/ask17:31
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jlvillalThanks JayF17:33
jlvillalAnything else from anyone?17:33
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JayFApparently everyone knows how to grab stats from the gate pipeline as well as I do :P17:33
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JayF(that is, not at all, lol)17:33
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jlvillalJayF: I'd love to learn how to do that!17:34
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JayFso would I, but I spent a little bit of time on it, got nowhere, and couldn't get anyone to help17:34
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jlvillal:(17:34
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JayFso I moved on to other things since it looks like those stats just don't exist in graphite17:34
jrollJayF: might be worth a dev list email17:34
jrollso it doesn't get lost in scrollback, and others can pick up on it17:35
JayFand it'll be visible to qa and infra people17:35
jrollya17:35
JayFMaybe so. Just didn't know if it was important enough to be worth it17:35
jrollthey're always keen on teaching people how to fish17:35
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jrollotherwise people just keep asking one by one17:35
jlvillalJayF: I think an email would be worthwhile17:35
JayFadded it to my todo list17:36
jlvillalthanks17:36
jlvillalOkay, I think we seem to be done.17:36
jlvillalThanks everyone. Talk next week.17:36
jrollthanks jlvillal17:36
JayFo/17:37
jlvillalThanks to krtaylor for covering for me for the last two weeks with one planned and one unplanned absence :(17:37
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jlvillal#endmeeting17:37
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annegentle#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:00
Sam-I-Amhello19:00
annegentlecool lbragstad19:01
Sam-I-Amnow at the correct time19:01
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annegentle#topic Action items from the last meeting19:01
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strigazio/ (magnum)19:01
annegentleI looked through the minutes for this timezone and didn't see any outstanding action items.19:01
Sam-I-Am<- neutron-ish19:01
annegentleSo I think we can move along to the next topic19:01
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annegentle#topic Specs in review19:01
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annegentleLooks like one spec for training labs19:02
annegentle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z19:02
emaganaHI all! I am around..19:02
annegentleUpdated end of May, any questions? Any specs to-be-written or discussed?19:02
annegentlehey emagana all around19:02
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AJaegerwe have enough to do with existing content and specs ;)19:03
Sam-I-Amannegentle: i'm working on a networking guide reorg, but its not really worthy of a spec (imo)19:03
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Sam-I-Amless overhead = more betterer19:03
AJaegerSam-I-Am: Then it's not a real reorg ;)19:03
annegentleSam-I-Am AJaeger yeah, I think what we have in play is good enough19:03
Sam-I-AmAJaeger: hmmmmmmmmm :)19:04
annegentlethere's also tracking of newton ongoing at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables19:04
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annegentlethough Sam-I-Am no mention of Networking reorg there so might wanna get it on the radar screens19:04
emaganaSam-I-Am: I do agree. WE can do the work without the formal spec19:04
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emaganaannegentle: +119:05
emagana:-)19:05
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annegentlelet's get to specialty teams then19:05
annegentle#topic Speciality teams19:05
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Sam-I-Amannegentle: it sort of came up as more content has appeared in the guide, which i figured it would at some point19:05
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annegentleSam-I-Am yeah organic growth happens19:05
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annegentle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports19:05
annegentleLet's go down the list in that report's order19:05
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annegentleanyone here for HA Guide?19:05
annegentle#topic HA Guide19:06
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annegentle#info no report from HA Guide team19:06
annegentle#topic Install Guide19:06
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annegentleWe have a name!19:06
annegentlePoll concluded, winner is "OpenStack Installation Tutorial"19:06
annegentle#info Poll concluded, winner is "OpenStack Installation Tutorial"19:06
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AJaegerThere's a patch for heat:19:06
annegentleohh linky19:06
AJaegerand one for project-config to set up infrastructure: https://review.openstack.org/32603919:07
AJaegerheat: https://review.openstack.org/32538919:07
strigaziand manila: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317152/19:07
annegentleThanks19:07
AJaegerSo, we're moving forward with migration to project teams!19:07
annegentle#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Documentation_Install_Team_Meeting19:07
AJaegergreat, strigazi19:07
annegentleExcellent thanks strigazi19:07
strigaziI work on magnum thow19:07
annegentle#link  https://review.openstack.org/32538919:08
annegentle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317152/19:08
rcaballeromx1AJaeger: What do you mean with project teams?19:08
annegentlestrigazi heh that's good though19:08
rcaballeromx1Hi, btw. :D19:08
annegentlercaballeromx1 hiya!19:08
annegentle#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/newton/installguide.html19:08
annegentlercaballeromx1 that spec outlines how to scale the Installation Tutorial across project teams19:09
annegentleproject team = heat, manila, trove, etc.19:09
AJaegerrcaballeromx1: I mean that the install guides moves into the projects19:09
annegentlercaballeromx1 does that help?19:09
rcaballeromx1Thanks annegentle & AJaeger.19:09
rcaballeromx1It does.19:09
annegentlecool19:09
annegentleok19:09
annegentle#topic Networking Guide19:09
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annegentleSam-I-Am and emagana go for it, what's up?19:09
Sam-I-Amso...19:09
Sam-I-Amwe're finally seeing a decent number of contribs to the networking guide19:10
emaganaannegentle: Sam-I-Am already mentioned some of the staff going on19:10
Sam-I-Amproblem is, they're all ending up in 'advanced config'19:10
Sam-I-Amwhich is misleading, and potentially a mental stumbling block for many potential users19:10
emaganaalso working on moving staff from other guides into the networking one in order to keep a better control and have those sections updated all the time as much as possible19:10
annegentle#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Networking_Guide_Team_Meeting is the weekly IRC meeting19:10
AJaegerLet's rename it to "less advanced config" or something better ;)19:11
Sam-I-Amthere are also new features that one might consider experimental, or too light on detailed docs19:11
emaganaannegentle: Yes!19:11
rcaballeromx1custom config?19:11
annegentleSam-I-Am good to have the advanced from those who know... long tail of contributions.19:11
Sam-I-Amso i'm doing a bit of a reorg that puts all config things under 'config' and experimental-ish things under 'experimental'19:11
annegentle"you try it and see and let us know!"19:11
rcaballeromx1non-standard if you want to discourage use of those configs.19:11
annegentlethat's pretty cool though, kudos19:11
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Sam-I-Amthat and trying to make the naming a bit more eppo-ish19:12
Sam-I-Amlike something called config-bgp doesnt just provide config, it explains what it is and also happens to provide config19:12
annegentleemagana when you said Moved DHCP HA chapter to Networking Guide -- from where?19:12
Sam-I-Amso then it just becomes bgp.rst, and where its linked to determines the category19:12
Sam-I-Amalso trying to do a bit better integration of the scenarios19:13
emaganafrom the adin guide19:13
Sam-I-Amits nice when you have content that gives you a better idea of how it should be organized19:13
emaganaadmin*19:13
emaganaalready completed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323660/19:13
Sam-I-Amprior to this was sort of a guess on structure19:13
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emaganaannegentle: Now I am working on updates19:14
annegentle#info Networking Guide sections moving, renaming, additional explanation. Moved DHCP HA content from Admin Guide to Networking Guide19:14
Sam-I-Ami'm also bugging neutron folks to fill out some of the weaker content19:14
annegentleemagana Sam-I-Am you want an info line or help line in the notes for meeting attendance or any particular sections?19:14
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Sam-I-Amalways good to mention our meeting19:15
Sam-I-Amas for contributions, the etherpad is the source19:15
annegentle#info Looking for attendees at weekly networking guide IRC meeting, join in19:15
annegentleSam-I-Am oh, link here to that ether pad too19:15
emaganaannegentle: Yes, in general we would like to increase the attendance but we know its hard19:15
Sam-I-Am#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide19:15
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annegentlegood deal19:15
annegentleanything else on Networking?19:15
Sam-I-Amthats a general list of topics we're looking to fill out19:16
annegentle#topic Security Guide19:16
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emaganaannegentle: not from my siede!19:16
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annegentleDo we have anyone from the security team?19:16
annegentleI can't remember Nathaniel Dillon's IRC handle. hrm19:16
annegentle#info no report from Security Guide19:16
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annegentle#topic User Guides19:16
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annegentleIA plan still forthcoming, unless I missed it on the ML.19:17
annegentleHad some nice input on the SDK pages19:17
annegentlethough those aren't yet architected for a final landing spot :)19:17
annegentleI'll await the IA19:17
rcaballeromx1IA?19:18
annegentleAnything else on user guides? Did the magnum team have input there?19:18
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annegentleIA=Information Architecture (what goes where)19:18
rcaballeromx1Thanks.19:18
annegentlesure. basically the spec originally had the SDK info moving to developer.openstack.org rather than docs.openstack.org19:18
annegentleanything else on user guides?19:18
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* annegentle #topic Ops Guide19:19
annegentleSince Shilla's in training I don't know if anyone else has an update?19:19
annegentle#info no report from Ops Guide team19:19
annegentle#topic API Guides19:19
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annegentleI'll take that19:19
annegentleWe should be able to delete the Compute API content from api-site, on the review I'm looking for whether we do redirects in that patch or in another19:20
annegentle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306884/19:20
annegentleAlso, check out nice new styling19:20
annegentle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322430/19:20
annegentleand19:20
annegentle#link https://api.os.gra.ham.ie/compute/19:21
annegentleReally looking nice and neat. We're still figuring out a cross-project-api navigation bar but this aligns more with the modern web design.19:21
annegentleKudos to Graham19:21
annegentle#info New layout for API reference docs from additions to openstackdocs theme.19:22
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annegentle#info Much gratitude to Graham Hayes!19:22
rosmaita+119:22
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AJaeger+219:22
annegentle#info Discussion on SDKs and FirstApp audience happening on user-committee list19:22
annegentle#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-May/000889.html19:22
annegentleI'm not one of the authors on the First App, so I'd like input on that list from some of the original authors.19:23
Sam-I-Ammmm, that api layout is nice19:23
annegentle#info Seeking input on FirstApp audience from original authors19:23
annegentleSam-I-Am pretty responsive too19:23
annegentleSam-I-Am and the tables don't suck19:23
rcaballeromx1Who are the original authors?19:23
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annegentlercaballeromx1 Tom Fifield, Sean Collins, Christian Berendt19:23
rcaballeromx1Thanks!19:24
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* annegentle #link http://developer.openstack.org/firstapp-libcloud/19:24
annegentleOh, and James Dempsey too19:24
annegentle#link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/07/writing-your-first-openstack-application/19:24
annegentleThat's all from API landia.19:24
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annegentle#topic Config/CLI Reference19:25
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annegentle#info Tomoyuki reported they are closing bugs in Mitaka, including fixes to RST markup.19:25
annegentleNice work.19:25
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Sam-I-Amyeah, there's plenty of config ref things in the queue19:25
Sam-I-Ami spent half my day in it yesterday19:26
annegentle#info Lots to review for config ref19:26
annegentleSam-I-Am good to know19:26
Sam-I-Amthey're mostly small and easy19:26
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annegentle#topic Training labs19:26
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annegentlePranav or Roger around?19:26
annegentlerluethi or dguitarbite (iirc)19:26
annegentle#info Spec for pxeserver in review, also updating the training labs landing page19:27
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annegentleThat's what I know from reading.19:27
annegentle#topic Training guides19:27
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annegentleDo we have Matjaz? It might be late for him19:27
annegentle#info Working on upstream training updates19:27
annegentleThat's all I know from reading there too19:28
annegentle#topic Hypervisor Tuning Guide19:28
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annegentleHaven't seen updates for a while on that one.19:28
Sam-I-Amyeah, me neither19:28
Sam-I-Amseems like vapor :/19:28
annegentle#info no info on Hypervisor Tuning Guide19:28
annegentle#topic UX/UI Guidelines19:29
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annegentleLet's see anyone for UX here?19:29
rcaballeromx1I uploaded something for UX19:29
annegentleLooks like by this Friday a draft for the guidelines will be ready19:29
rcaballeromx1UX Personas.19:29
annegentlercaballeromx1 cool, have a link I can post for the notes?19:29
rcaballeromx1#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326662/719:29
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annegentlethanks rcaballeromx119:30
rcaballeromx1My pleasure.19:30
annegentleLots of review comments, nice.19:30
annegentleOkay I'll wrap up specialty team reports then19:31
annegentle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports19:31
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annegentle#info Specialy teams, use that etherpad to fill in weekly status updates19:31
annegentle#topic Countdown to release19:31
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annegentle#link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20161006T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Newton+Launch+Date&font=slab19:31
annegentle119 days means less than four months right?19:32
Sam-I-Amyet another release...19:32
Sam-I-Amgive or take19:32
annegentle#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables19:32
rcaballeromx1By a day.19:32
annegentle^^ that's the scope of the docs work for Newton to the best of my knowledge19:32
Sam-I-Amoh no, a wiki :)19:32
Sam-I-Amdocs task 1 - get rid of wiki :)19:33
annegentleThough also the specs19:33
annegentle#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/19:33
Sam-I-Amthe networking guide isnt in there. do we need to put things there?19:33
annegentleSam-I-Am I'm not entirely sure, ask loquacities on the ML the intent with that.19:33
Sam-I-Amnothing super critical going on, just trying to make it better19:33
annegentleyeah19:33
rcaballeromx1Is the Config Reference Guide not a Newton deliverable?19:33
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annegentlercaballeromx1 it is, I think that wiki page needs an update :)19:34
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annegentleand the networking guide is versioned, so I imagine it should go on there too19:34
rcaballeromx1annegentle: Ok.19:34
annegentleOk, opening it up19:34
Sam-I-Amwe need to version more things :/19:34
annegentle#topic Open discussion19:34
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Sam-I-Amthere was some discussion at the summit about versioning more stuff, and keeping certain things around longer19:35
Sam-I-Amdid that ever get anywhere?19:35
Sam-I-Ambueller?19:36
annegentleSam-I-Am I only know about the networking guide versioning. And then we also talked about adding a version menu to say Client doc pages.19:36
rcaballeromx1I guess I get to introduce myself. I am a Sr. tech. writer at Intel and will be helping out where I can. Starting with the UX-Personas.19:36
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annegentlepython-projectclient for example19:36
annegentlercaballeromx1 awesome thanks for the intro19:36
rcaballeromx1I'm based in sunny Guadalajara, Mexico.19:36
annegentlercaballeromx1 sweet! Are you with Marcela's team?19:37
Sam-I-Amannegentle: net guide versioning was done last release19:37
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AJaegerwelcome, rcaballeromx1 ! And sorry for my quick reviews without a friendly welcome to your first patch!19:37
annegentlercaballeromx1 AJaeger is super fast on the review button :)19:37
rcaballeromx1annegentle: No, but I will be working with them.19:37
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Sam-I-Amthings like the admin guide might be useful to version19:37
emaganaone more "paisano" in the team! welcome rcaballeromx119:37
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rcaballeromx1AJaeger: No problem, next time you can put them in German, I did live 15 years in Germany. :D19:38
annegentleemagana hehe I had to look that up even though I live in Tejas :)19:38
AJaegerrcaballeromx1: ;)19:38
emaganaannegentle: ;-)19:38
annegentleI am working on a governance patch to try to get a handle on what projects have which docs.19:39
annegentle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316396/19:39
annegentlegovernance, exciting, I know.19:39
annegentle:)19:39
annegentlefeel free to post ideas... still a work in progress19:39
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annegentleThe other patch in progress is to try to figure out which projects provide a REST API and therefore should have API docs19:40
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annegentle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317094/19:40
Sam-I-Amhmmm interesting19:40
Sam-I-Amwhat we need is something makes devs contribute docs :)19:40
annegentlewhat I've discovered is that per-repo isn't quite right nor is per-project...19:40
rcaballeromx1Is the api content pulled from the projects' code bases?19:40
annegentlercaballeromx1 yes, as of this release, some is ongoing migration this release.19:41
rcaballeromx1So that won't be the case in the future?19:41
Sam-I-Amannegentle: does that sort of thing need a... "operatordocs" or "userdocs" tag?19:41
annegentlercaballeromx1 used to be in a central api-site repo.19:41
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Sam-I-Amso people know there's a clear delineation between dev docs and not-dev docs?19:41
annegentleSam-I-Am yeah, the idea is to add on in categories19:42
strigaziannegentle: are there instructions for creating API-docs19:42
strigaziannegentle: fetching out patch...19:42
annegentleSam-I-Am yaml might be better represented with say docs: - contributordocs - apidocs - installdocs and so on19:42
Sam-I-Ammaybe docs: contributor: xxx user: xxx or somesuch19:42
annegentlestrigazi sure19:42
rcaballeromx1strigazi: That was going to be my next question.19:42
strigaziannegentle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317368/19:42
annegentlestrigazi you have this right19:42
Sam-I-Amyeah, yaml in irc is hard19:42
annegentle#link http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/api-guides.html19:42
Sam-I-Ambut i think we were thinking the same thing19:43
annegentlestrigazi ah, thanks,hadn't seen that one yet19:43
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rcaballeromx1annegentle: Is there something similar for Configs?19:43
annegentlercaballeromx1 thinking19:43
Sam-I-Amannegentle: do you want me to comment on that patch?19:43
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strigaziSam-I-Am: magnum's patch?19:44
annegentlercaballeromx1 start with http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/tools-and-content-overview.html19:44
Sam-I-Amstrigazi: the governance patch19:44
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strigaziSam-I-Am: ok19:44
annegentleSam-I-Am sure on the governance patch19:44
rcaballeromx1annegentle: Thanks.19:44
annegentlestrigazi anything you need on the magnum patch?19:44
annegentlestrigazi I will say I still want web design for the connecting navigation between project's API docs19:45
annegentlestrigazi nice to see progress made though.19:46
annegentleok, anything else?19:46
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strigaziannegentle: I don't have the right questions yet :)19:46
Sam-I-Ambusiest docs meeting in a looooong time19:46
annegentleI'm happy to end early if we're all good19:46
annegentlestrigazi yeah, understandable :)19:46
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annegentlestrigazi I can answer questions as you go19:46
annegentleOkie doke thanks all for being here19:47
annegentle#endmeeting19:47
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rcaballeromx1Thank you everybody, looking forward to working with you!19:47
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-08-19.00.html19:47
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-08-19.00.txt19:47
AJaegerthanks annegentle for chairing!19:47
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-08-19.00.log.html19:47
annegentle:)19:47
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strigazigreat meeting cheers19:47
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  8 21:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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notmynamehello. who's here for the swift team meeting?21:01
timburkeo/21:01
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* onovy 21:02
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notmynamewelcome, everyone21:02
cutfortho/21:02
notmynameagenda this week is21:03
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:03
acoleshere21:03
notmynamemost of these topics should go pretty quickly21:03
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notmyname#topic 2.8.0 release21:03
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notmynamerelease has been tagged and approved (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326771/)21:03
notmynamewell, will be tagged whenever the bots get done with that patch21:03
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notmynamehttps://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/CHANGELOG has all the highlights in it21:04
notmynamethanks, everyone, for all the great stuff in this release21:04
notmynameany questions about the release?21:04
notmynameok21:05
notmyname#topic bugs arising from transpations21:05
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notmyname#topic bugs arising from translations21:05
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notmynamepatch 323950 is still in progress21:05
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323950/ - swift - Refactor locale tests and fix unicode issue21:05
notmynameI think that's the only update there21:05
notmynamecschwede: anything else about that one? (or acoles or timburke)21:06
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cschwedeacoles and timburke had a look at it; that was really helpful - thx! apart from that - needs reviews21:06
notmynameok21:06
acolesthanks cschwede for working on a fix and test improvement21:06
acolesmy french vocabulary has increased :)21:07
notmynameheh21:07
notmyname#topic rolling upgrade testing21:07
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notmynamecschwede: same status here? waiting on -infra reviews?21:07
notmynameanything we can do from our side?21:07
cschwedenothing new, i rebased my patch, passes, and yes - just waiting21:07
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notmynamehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/297311/21:07
patchbotnotmyname: patch 297311 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Run swift services on subnode21:07
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notmynamethat's the one, right?21:08
cschwedeno21:08
cschwedepatch 30446521:08
patchbotcschwede: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304465/ - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Use subnodes for Swift storage nodes in a multinod...21:08
notmynameI always click the wrong one21:08
cschwedeno worries, my comment on 297311 links to the other :)21:08
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notmynameok21:09
notmyname#topic hackathon21:09
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cschwedethe important test is gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-full21:09
notmynamehere's a fun topic21:09
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notmynamecschwede: ack21:09
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notmynamehurricanerix is hard at work setting up logistics for the hackathon next month21:09
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notmynamedetails are at21:09
notmyname#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-july-2016-hackathon-tickets-2591377379521:10
notmynameyou can register there so we can properly plan for who will be there21:10
notmynamehotel info should be added Real Soon Now. waiting on the bigwigs at rackspace to sign some papers, I think21:10
notmynamehurricanerix: any updates/21:10
notmyname?21:10
hurricanerixalso, my email filters have been kinda weird lately, so if you emailed me any questions and i haven't replied, just poke me in irc to make sure i saw it.21:11
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hurricanerixno updates yet, still trying to get the hotel finalized.  should be soon.21:11
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notmynameok. i'll add that info and email everyone (via eventbrite) as soon as the info is published21:12
notmynameany questions for myself or hurricanerix about the hackathon?21:12
mathiasbare there any other hackathons planned for later this year?21:13
notmynamemathiasb: likely not. the openstack foundation is organizing a big "joint hackathon/midcycle" thing between barcelona and the following summit21:13
notmynamethe Project Team Gathering, IIRC21:13
notmynamein february, but details haven't been finalized21:14
joeljwrightsounds like a Highlander movie21:14
notmynamejoeljwright: I'll bring my sword21:14
nadeemis it for improving cross-collaboration and solving our problems with gevent/uvloop?21:15
notmynamenadeem: of course ;-)21:15
nadeem;)21:15
notmynameok, moving on then :-)21:15
notmyname#topic crypto update21:15
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notmynameI've been hearing great things from acoles and jrichli__ this week on this topic!21:16
notmynamelast critical patches to feature/crypto have landed? and acoles has a review branch all queued up?21:16
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acolesI just removed the final must-have review form priority review list, meaning we should be ready to propose to a crypto-review branch21:16
notmynamefantastic!21:16
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acolesmahatic timburke and jrichli__ have been finding improvements but I think we are "stable" enough21:17
notmynamenext step is for acoles and myself to get the review branch proposed to master21:18
acolesof course I anticipate plenty of comment and change on crypto-review :)21:18
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notmynamehere's how I think that's going to look21:18
notmynameacoles will propose the patch chain to master as a set of patches with one merge commit into master21:18
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notmynamethe individual patches will each be a "step in the journey" to help you understand the whole21:19
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notmynameyou can either review each patch or just the whole thing at once (ie the merge commit diff), but it's the merge commit that will be approved and landed to master21:19
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acolesnotmyname: that sounds different, I thought we'd use another feature branch? not that I have any preference.21:20
notmynameI'll likely put a -2 on the merge commit initially to "plug" it until we've got enough reviews on it21:20
notmynameacoles: no, I wasn't meaning for it to sound different. I didn't mention "new feature branch" because I wanted to experiment with something first (ie do we actually need it), but the process should be the same regardless21:20
notmynameso, yeah, it's very likely all this will be in a feature/crypto-review branch21:21
clarkbwhat is the purpoae of a second feature branch?21:21
acolesnotmyname: ok. you'll have to teach me the "merge commit" part.21:21
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notmynameclarkb: it's what we've done in the past for storage policies and erasure codes. it's the simplified versions of the work that's been done21:22
clarkbI see21:22
notmynameclarkb: didn't we have this same conversation last year about ec and the year before about polices? ;-)21:22
clarkbbasically the reviewable representation21:22
clarkbmaybe21:22
notmynameright21:22
notmynameclarkb: but, we *might* not need to do that. I want to check something first and see what the gerrit experience is21:23
notmynameif there isnt' an upstream branch and it's proposed as a merge commit21:23
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clarkbok, moatly just curious. either way should work21:23
acolesclarkb: yes, a short chain of patches that comprise the final state of the original feature branch, that is easier for reviewers to digest.21:23
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notmynameacoles: actually, the process should be exactly the same as the merge-to-master stuff. just swapping the source and dest21:23
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acolesnotmyname: ah, i wondered if that might be the case.21:24
* acoles has learnt to remember '-R' :)21:24
notmynameclarkb: if we need it, I'll likely be coming to -infra with that request in the next day or two21:24
notmynameacoles: are the patches ready to go locally for you?21:25
acolesnotmyname: I need to add the recent tweaks, basically timburke's recent patch that is in flight to merge. But that shouldn't take long. So tomorrow I will have them ready.21:26
notmynameok21:26
notmynameso for everyone..21:26
notmynamelike with the previous big merges, we'll all need to review this one21:26
notmynameif you weren't aroudn for EC or storage policies, that's ok21:26
notmynamehere's how it works21:26
notmynamewe have a soft-freeze on master. unless there's something critical and/or everyone (especially acoles) knows about it, don't review land stuff on master until the crypto branch lands21:27
notmynameeveryone review the crypto branch21:27
notmynameleave your reviews as normal, and acoles will be managing the patch chain in gerrit21:28
notmynamea feature branch like this should take more than the normal 2 +2s. we want to make sure we've got a lot of eyes on it and a lot of people understand what's going on21:28
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acoles+1 to that21:29
cschwedenotmyname: the soft-freeze date is not known yet, right?21:29
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notmynamecschwede: getting to that :-)21:29
notmynameof course, since a lot of people have worked on this feature, we'll get the "I can't approve my own code" viewpoint. but leave your review anyway. nobody did 100% of the crypto work21:29
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notmynameand if you're not a core reviewer, your reviews still matter a lot. please leave lots of comments21:30
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notmynamebasically, before the crypto branch lands, we want a lot of people to have looked at it, understand it, and be happy with the changes it's making21:30
notmynameI'm expecting that the review process will take about 2 weeks. at least that's the initial budget we'll allow21:31
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notmynameI don't expect that we'll have enough good-enough reviews sooner than that21:31
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notmynameand I hope we don't have to extend that too much (or at all)21:31
notmynamebut in two weeks we can re-evaluate21:31
notmynameI looked at what's outstanding right now (open patches). the good news is that there doesn't seem to be any big, critical thing, and we just did a release21:32
notmynameso it seems that now's a really good time to start the crypto reviews21:32
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notmynamethe timer starts, though, when the patch chain is proposed21:33
notmynamedoes that make sense to everyone? is everyone ok with that?21:33
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notmyname(your affirmative answer instead of silently agreeing is helpful here)21:33
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acolesmakes sense21:33
timburkeseems good21:33
cschwedesounds good, so we’re probably done before the hackathon which is great!21:33
kota_agreed21:34
joeljwrightseems like a good approach :)21:34
dmoritasounds good to me21:34
jrichli__y21:34
pdardeauhow much does a reviewer need to know about (understand) about the specifics of the encryption (crypto details)?21:34
acolescan I add a couple of things...21:34
acolespdardeau: that's one of my things :)21:34
notmynameacoles: yes, please :-)21:34
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acolesthe first few patches make supporting changes to core swift code without introducing any encryption specific concepts - and there are some pretty significant changes there21:35
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notmyname(eg adding the multipart mime/footers stuff to replicated policies instead of just EC policies)21:36
acolesadding the encryption middleware is pretty well isolated to the final couple of patches21:36
notmynamethere will be about 7 or 8 total patches, right?21:36
acolesnotmyname: yes, that's one, and adding metadata support, and changing how we override container update headers21:36
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acolesnotmyname: yes. 7 I think.21:36
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acolesthere's one that just adds generic tests and shuffles test helper code around21:37
acolesso plenty of scope to get involved even if you have no care for the encryption pieces21:37
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notmynameso no excuse to not review the patch chain :-)21:38
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acolesMy second point was please don't push changes over the gerrit review - usually that is fine for a small fix - but here it will make managing the chain of dependencies harder21:38
acolesbut please do link to diffs that i can apply if you have suggestions for better code21:39
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notmynamepdardeau: sound good?21:39
acolesfinally, and touching on pdardeau question again, there is an overview doc patch that could be a good place to start understanding the encryption side.21:40
pdardeauyep!21:40
notmynameany other questions about the crypto review process?21:40
mmotianisounds good to me as well. thanks acoles :)21:41
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notmynameyep. huge thanks to acoles, jrichli__, mahatic, and others for getting the crypto branch ready. and acoles will have a lot of work in front of him managing the patch chain21:42
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notmynameit's a great feature21:42
notmynamelet's move on to the last topic21:43
notmyname#topic golang status update21:43
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notmynamethe TC meeting yesterday brought the golang decision to a vote21:43
notmynamethe proposal was "golang is allowed as a supported language across openstack projects"21:44
notmynamealthough the TC agreed with our technical reasoning, they rejected the proposal because of the feared impact to the community as a whole and the ability for people to do cross project work21:44
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joeljwright:(21:44
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notmynamethe next step is for me to work with dims on crafting a proposal for the TC to allow swift to use golang as a special exception21:45
notmynameso here's what didn't happen21:45
notmynamethe TC did not decide to kick swift out of openstack21:45
notmynamethe TC did not mandate that swift needed to be broken into different repositories21:45
notmynamethose are good21:46
notmynameI'm disappointed in the result, but some of the proposed outcomes would have been much worse21:46
redboMaybe we should flirt with some other foundations and make them jealous.21:46
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notmynamethat being said, while I keep working on the politics-of-openstack-governance side of things, as a project, we're still going forward with what we talked about in austin21:47
notmynamewe still have the feature/hummingbird branch21:47
notmynamethe technical reasoning for using golang still stands21:47
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notmynamethe agreement amongst ourselves to go forward with using golang for the object server still stands21:48
notmynamethe next steps are to further define what the specific limits of the golang code we want to bring into master are21:49
notmyname(which I had hoped to make more progress on by this point, but someone I got distracted by some rather epic mailing list threads)21:49
notmyname*somehow21:49
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notmynameso the conclusion from yesterday's TC meeting is that I need to do some different yet-to-be-defined things with the TC, but nothing else has changed21:50
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notmynameif you're frustrated by the whole situation, I completely understand. I'm right there with you21:50
notmynameplease feel free to pm me, email me, call me, whatever and vent :-)21:51
notmynameplease don't ragequit :-)21:51
* notmyname looks at dfg_21:51
dfg_huh?21:51
notmynamedfg_: don't ragequit ;-)21:51
redbohe enjoys rage too much to quit21:51
dfg_ya- 4:30 ragequite. 4:45 start drinking , other stuff21:52
notmynameso...what questions do you have?21:52
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nadeemwhat are the chances that the new proposal will not receive the same treatment?21:53
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notmynamenadeem: well, I have to believe that it won't, otherwise there's just lots of despair and unhealthy habits ;-)21:54
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notmynamebut seriously, based on what the TC said in yesterday's meeting and on the ML, having a per-project special case seems to be the direction that most TC memebers seemed to dislike the least21:55
timburkeyeah, the TC seemed to fundamentally agree that golang is the right move for swift. just not the rest of openstack21:55
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joeljwrightis being 'the special project that can use golang' just a precursor to being forced out though?21:55
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nadeemokay21:55
nadeemor to graduate :D21:56
dfg_:)21:56
joeljwrightthe 'you guys don't play nice' feeling is already pretty strong21:56
notmynameas long as I'm ptl, I'm going to do my best to make sure that swift is focused on solving end-user/deployer problems, and as long as we're doing that, I can deal with the politics. and golang is the right technical choice that benefits users21:56
notmynameso that's what I'll keep pushing for21:56
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joeljwrightnotmyname: I'm glad you continue to be willing to take all this crap on your shoulders21:56
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acolesnotmyname: IMO you are handling a difficult situation with great patience and wisdom. thanks for your efforts.21:57
joeljwright^^^ what acoles said :)21:57
nadeemIs it true that TC didn't know about the golang experiment?21:57
nadeemearlier I mean21:57
notmynamenadeem: I find that hard to believe21:57
dfg_they were all at my "OMG objects" talk i think :p21:58
nadeembecause it seems like they were surprised by the proposal21:58
notmynamebut swift is an openstack project, and it's good for us to be part of openstack. we have a larger community of contributors, more exposure to users, and frankly a great marketing platform by being an openstack project. although there are frustrations that come with it, I don't want to seriously entertain the idea of not being part of openstack21:58
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pdardeaunadeem: i had the same impression, and that's why i asked nearly the exact same question here a little earlier21:59
notmynamenadeem: dfg_: in addition to a ML post I send out over a year ago, you've got talks at 3 summits21:59
nadeemtrue21:59
notmynameplease feel free to reach out to me if you have questions or concerns about anything going on21:59
acolespdardeau: nadeem It's hard to be sure from irc minutes but I only really detected that sense of surprise on the part of one TC member21:59
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notmynamelooks like were at our end meeting time22:00
notmynamefeel free to continue discussing in -swift, of course22:00
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onovynot sure if i should ask :), but patch 238799?22:00
patchbotonovy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ - swift - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config22:00
notmynamethanks for coming, everyone. it's a privilege to work with you on swift22:00
notmyname#endmeeting22:01
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notmynameonovy: :-)22:01
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openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-08-21.00.log.html22:01
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onovynotmyname: exactly i was not going to bed only because of it22:01
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notmynameonovy: ah, sorry22:01
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notmynameonovy: didn't mean for you to stay up and not get it discussed22:01
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notmynameonovy: looks like mattoliverau is looking at it. clayg has, but is on vacation at the moment. I'd like to take a look too22:03
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notmynameonovy: like you, I think it's a good idea that should land. it's starred so that it's listed on priority patch lists22:04
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onovynotmyname: it's starred for long long time22:04
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onovynotmyname: but let's continue in -swift22:04
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