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| qeas | Hi everyone, after a recent change to devstack I am getting this error when trying to install http://paste.openstack.org/show/490443/. Using the same local.conf that worked previously, any suggestions what's wrong here? Thanks | 00:08 |
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| samueldmq | qeas: you should probably ask in #openstack-qa which is the channel where devstack things are discussed | 00:08 |
| samueldmq | qeas: this is a channel used for meetings | 00:09 |
| qeas | samueldmq: oops, sorry, thought I was in manila channel | 00:10 |
| samueldmq | qeas: np, good luck | 00:10 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 08:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:00 |
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| lennyb | hi | 08:01 |
| anteaya | hey lennyb | 08:02 |
| anteaya | you have already seen this but putting it in the logs for this meeting | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | #info gerrit ip addresses is changing in April: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088985.html | 08:03 |
| anteaya | was there anything you wanted to talk about today? | 08:03 |
| lennyb | :). I know it's a late night or even early morning for you and I have nothing to discuss, so... | 08:03 |
| anteaya | I'm up | 08:04 |
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| anteaya | willing to discuss if you have anything | 08:04 |
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| anteaya | and will keep the meeting open another few minutes in case of a drop in | 08:05 |
| anteaya | but won't keep you if you have other things | 08:05 |
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| anteaya | any objections to me closing the meeting? | 08:20 |
| anteaya | thank you, see you next week | 08:21 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 08:21:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-15-08.00.html | 08:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-15-08.00.txt | 08:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-15-08.00.log.html | 08:21 |
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| cdent | nova api meeting? | 12:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cdent: thats what my calendar says, I can't remember if we said we were pausing them now | 12:03 |
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| cdent | seems reasonable to do so | 12:03 |
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| jichen | cdent: it was changed ,http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089063.html | 12:17 |
| cdent | ah, right thanks jichen | 12:17 |
| cdent | it hasn't been updated here yet: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Nova_API_Meeting | 12:17 |
| jichen | yes :) | 12:18 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 13:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Qiming | good evening | 13:00 |
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| elynn | evening! | 13:00 |
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| lixinhui_ | evening! | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | hi, elynn, lixinhui_ | 13:00 |
| cschulz | Hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | hi, chuck | 13:01 |
| haiwei | hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | meeting agenda posted here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:01 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | pls check if there are things to add | 13:01 |
| Qiming | #topic austin summit planning | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | so we have three talks accepted | 13:02 |
| Qiming | elynn, yanyan and I had a discussion this noon, about the 'senlin deep dive' session | 13:02 |
| Qiming | we are going to prepare the talk based on the deck I presented during the mitaka mid-cycle meetup | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | this session will be mainly focused on the why's and how's | 13:03 |
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| cschulz | is the midcycle meetup deck posted somewhere? | 13:03 |
| Qiming | it will walk the audience through the project's origin, its architecture, its use case and roadmap, possibly a comparison to aws scaling and heat-based scaling | 13:04 |
| Qiming | no, chuck, I can send you a copy if you are interested | 13:04 |
| cschulz | Yes, thanks. | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | other than that 'deep dive' kind of overview, we won't have a lot time to dive into a particular theme, e.g. HA, AutoScaling, policies, profiles, drivers ... | 13:05 |
| Qiming | we will need to start prepare the talk as early as possible | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | the second one is mostly about autoscaling | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | it will talk about the requirements, the projects/services involved, the various usage scenarios and the senlin's solution | 13:06 |
| Qiming | hopefully, we can combine all the load-balancing, auto-scaling and high-availability things into a single Heat template | 13:07 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_ has been driving this work | 13:07 |
| Qiming | we'll help her get this talk carefully prepared as well | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | the third one is more of an open discussion, creating and managing containers using senlin, thus making containers a first-class citizen on openstack | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | we are supposed to do a good survey of all existing proposals/projects and articulate why we are doing this | 13:09 |
| Qiming | what are the specific problems we need to solve, and how are we planning to address them | 13:09 |
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| haiwei | yes, Qiming | 13:10 |
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| haiwei | I have updated the spec, hope you can review it | 13:10 |
| Qiming | this one is the most visionary one, and we are really hoping we can get some constructive feedbacks from the community | 13:10 |
| haiwei | and also ask some magnum guys to review it | 13:10 |
| Qiming | even if there are opponents, we will listen to what they say | 13:10 |
| Qiming | that would be good haiwei | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | but one notion | 13:11 |
| Qiming | last time we collaborated with magnum developers on autoscaling the VM clusters used to run containers | 13:11 |
| Qiming | there was a proposal in magnum to do their own auto-scaling engine | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | we are open to do all communication, but we are not planning to do stupid things | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | any comments on the talk preparation? | 13:12 |
| Qiming | suggestions? | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:13 |
| Qiming | #topic mitaka work items | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | stress testing side, contacted xujun, they don't have bandwidth at the moment | 13:14 |
| Qiming | but anyway, we are introducing tempest into senlin | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu_ | ok | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | Bran has gotten some data | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu_ | we have a topic on this in summit | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | oh, really? | 13:14 |
| yanyanhu_ | lixinhui_, great | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | I will send the document to all of you | 13:15 |
| Qiming | thank you madam | 13:15 |
| lixinhui_ | need your help to improve | 13:15 |
| lixinhui_ | very crude one | 13:15 |
| Qiming | that would be a good starting point | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu_ | sure, this will be a very good start point | 13:15 |
| lixinhui_ | but we can do better with your suggestions and help | 13:15 |
| Qiming | yanyan and I talked about tempest, and elynn joined the discussion as well | 13:15 |
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| cschulz | I have noticed that a heat stack will indicate create complete even though the senlin cluster create fails. | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu_ | also, I will start to investigate rally to see whether there are something we can leverage | 13:16 |
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| cschulz | Is someone looking into this? | 13:16 |
| Qiming | the plan is to introduce tempest test into senlin asap, since we are not planning to add new features until the newton development opens | 13:16 |
| Qiming | cschulz, bug filed? | 13:16 |
| cschulz | Good. thanks. | 13:17 |
| elynn | Hi cschulz, is there any bug you open for it? | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | the api/functional/scenario tests will be driven by tempest, and we will decide later whether using rally to do stress test is viable | 13:17 |
| cschulz | No I didn't since it wasn't causing any issues, but thought I'd bring it up in the area of testing. | 13:17 |
| Qiming | cschulz, it sounds like a bug to me, :) | 13:18 |
| elynn | oh... if so, I think it should be fixed in senlin... | 13:18 |
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| cschulz | Yes will open bug | 13:18 |
| Qiming | thanks, cschulz | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | health management/policy | 13:19 |
| lixinhui_ | I believe API side check/recover has done | 13:19 |
| Qiming | node status polling is labeld with 'need tests' | 13:19 |
| Qiming | functional tests? | 13:19 |
| lixinhui_ | oh | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | seems need to add some functional tests | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | yep | 13:20 |
| Qiming | some functional test for the health-manager | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu_ | hi, xinhui, there has been a functional test case for node check/recover | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | will refer to Yanyan's work and do it | 13:20 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, still stuck by the lb errors? | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu_ | but just for basic workflow | 13:21 |
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| lixinhui_ | yes, Qiming... | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | yanyanhu_, we will read your work and add some tests for health-manager | 13:21 |
| Qiming | can we switch back to haproxy instead of octavia for the moment? | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu_ | haven't figured out how to test node/cluster check/recover with more complicated cases | 13:21 |
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| yanyanhu_ | lixinhui_, any question, please just ping me | 13:22 |
| lixinhui_ | thanks, yanyanhu. | 13:22 |
| Qiming | seems we need to emulate some node failures anyway | 13:22 |
| lixinhui_ | yes, Qiming | 13:22 |
| Qiming | for the robustness of all other apis, besides the health checking ones | 13:22 |
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| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, yes, a feasible way is providing another test driver for this purpose | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | insert random failures? | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu_ | but it's not a good way I think | 13:23 |
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| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, yes, that's what we want. But not sure how to support it | 13:24 |
| Qiming | "random" I mean, if it is really random, you can not verify you testing results | 13:24 |
| Qiming | should be a quoted version, :) | 13:24 |
| Qiming | maybe we can improve the fake driver to do things in a controlled way | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu_ | yes | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu_ | this is what I'm thinking | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | definitely not another set of drivers | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu_ | I also think so. That's really not a graceful way to solve this issue | 13:26 |
| Qiming | we still need an etherpad to discuss the use cases | 13:26 |
| Qiming | for HA | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | lixinhui_, you want to drive that? | 13:26 |
| lixinhui_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-ha-recover | 13:27 |
| lixinhui_ | sure | 13:27 |
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| lixinhui_ | collect some discussion last week into the etherpad | 13:27 |
| Qiming | great, you already created one, :) | 13:27 |
| Qiming | cool, will read and comment offline | 13:27 |
| Qiming | documentation side, just commited some more documents for review | 13:28 |
| lixinhui_ | will extend it for use case discussion purpose | 13:28 |
| Qiming | still need to add docs for the placement policy | 13:28 |
| Qiming | no progress on wiki site revision yet | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | the autoscaling sample can be based on our current work for the summit talk, right? | 13:29 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:29 |
| lixinhui_ | I think so | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | okay, just leave it there, it belongs to mitaka | 13:30 |
| Qiming | the next one is container profile | 13:30 |
| Qiming | as a contrib it is okay | 13:30 |
| cschulz | Is that autoscale sample similar to the work Ethan has been doing there? | 13:30 |
| Qiming | cschulz, yes | 13:30 |
| Qiming | cschulz, https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7469 | 13:31 |
| Qiming | or, you can say, a more comprehensive one | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | it is a combination of auto-scaling, auto-healing and load-balancing | 13:31 |
| Qiming | still no progress on the NODE_CREATE/DELETE action thing | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | I'm adding an API microversioning item | 13:33 |
| Qiming | hopefully can be done by mitaka release | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | the idea will be borrowed from nova and cross-project specs | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | it is a prerequisite for any further revision to senlin api | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | we are locking the version 1.0 api | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | any (user visible) changes to it will necesitate a 1.1 version bump | 13:34 |
| Qiming | before doing that, we will need a microversioning infra in place | 13:34 |
| Qiming | that's pretty a heavy workload before final release | 13:35 |
| Qiming | comments? | 13:35 |
| haiwei | is this micro version similar to nova micro version? | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | [21:33] <Qiming> the idea will be borrowed from nova and cross-project specs | 13:35 |
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| haiwei | ok | 13:36 |
| Qiming | okay, moving on | 13:36 |
| Qiming | #topic stricter policy checking | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | so this problem come to my mind when I was reviewing the policy implementations and trying to document them down | 13:36 |
| Qiming | currently, a policy checks its TARGET against the actions to be (or already) executed | 13:37 |
| Qiming | the problem is that we don't have a strict definition/realization of TARGET | 13:37 |
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| yanyanhu_ | you mean the naming of TARGET? | 13:38 |
| Qiming | an action not listed in the TARGET may not trigger the policy checking, even if it may arouse some problems | 13:38 |
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| yanyanhu_ | I think we have defined TARGET action list in some policies | 13:38 |
| Qiming | take affinity policy as an example | 13:38 |
| Qiming | supposed I have created a cluster and attached an affinity policy | 13:39 |
| Qiming | now I want to do cluster_node_add | 13:39 |
| Qiming | and the node I want to add doesn't belong to the servergroup, it is from some other hosts | 13:39 |
| Qiming | can I do it? | 13:39 |
| yanyanhu_ | nope I think | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | if we allow the policy check to succeed, the cluster violates the affinity setting | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu_ | the affinity policy should reject this request | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | if we don't allow it, we should say NO in the affinity checking | 13:40 |
| cschulz | I think that the only way to be totally sure is to trigger all Policies for every action and have the policy decide if it is appropriate. | 13:40 |
| Qiming | right, that is the problem I'm talking about | 13:41 |
| cschulz | But that is kind of heavy weight. | 13:41 |
| Qiming | I'm creating a table with all actions as the columns and all policies as the rows | 13:41 |
| yanyanhu_ | is cluster_node_add now in the target list of affinity policy? | 13:41 |
| Qiming | in each cell, we should fill in "CHECK", "IGNORE" | 13:42 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu_, no, it is not listed there | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu_ | ok, so we should add it | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu_ | I think this is more about managing policy target in a better way | 13:42 |
| cschulz | We will also need to consider how to amend this table when a new policy plugin is added. | 13:42 |
| Qiming | yep. cschulz | 13:43 |
| Qiming | the table should be documented | 13:43 |
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| yanyanhu_ | can this table be revised dynamically? | 13:44 |
| cschulz | And probably a method in a plugin which amends the table, similar to how the plugin mapping occurs | 13:44 |
| Qiming | when filling in "IGNORE", we can save the action from the TARGET list, but we have to bear in mind, an "IGNORE" is equal to say "YES" | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | cschulz, that checking was done in the policy base class, IIRC | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | we can check if it can be made more flexible | 13:45 |
| haiwei | 'IGNORE' means not check, right? | 13:45 |
| Qiming | haiwei, exactly | 13:46 |
| Qiming | when you are checking, you can say "yes" or "no", when you are silent, it means a "yes", that is the difference we need to clarify | 13:46 |
| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, a question is when those cell will be filled in | 13:47 |
| yanyanhu_ | when a policy plugin is loaded? | 13:47 |
| haiwei | I think when the action is executed | 13:47 |
| Qiming | we can start with a static one, and then try make it more flexible | 13:47 |
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| haiwei | there should be no check before some actions are executed | 13:48 |
| Qiming | for example, we can load a policy and check that policies definition and determine when it should be checked ... | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu_ | yes, this makes sense | 13:48 |
| yanyanhu_ | just a little concerned about changing this target relationship dynamically | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | yes, yanyanhu_ , we have been there | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu_ | since it will influence all policy instances and action instances | 13:49 |
| Qiming | so, for builtin policies, we will use a static definition | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | too much flexibility will lead the whole scenario unmanageable | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu_ | yes | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu_ | that is exactly what I mean | 13:50 |
| Qiming | let's fill the holes one by one | 13:50 |
| haiwei | currently the target relationship is changed dynamically? | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | for example, zone placement and region placement cannot handle cluster resize actions, but they should | 13:50 |
| yanyanhu_ | haiwei, no, it is implemented by hard code in definition of each policy | 13:51 |
| Qiming | e.g. | 13:51 |
| Qiming | deletion_policy.py: TARGET = [ | 13:51 |
| Qiming | deletion_policy.py- ('BEFORE', consts.CLUSTER_SCALE_IN), | 13:51 |
| Qiming | deletion_policy.py- ('BEFORE', consts.CLUSTER_DEL_NODES), | 13:51 |
| Qiming | deletion_policy.py- ('BEFORE', consts.CLUSTER_RESIZE), | 13:51 |
| Qiming | deletion_policy.py- ] | 13:51 |
| haiwei | ok, by giving them some integers, yanyanhu_? | 13:51 |
| yanyanhu_ | haiwei, actually some consts | 13:52 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:52 |
| yanyanhu_ | just like what Qiming showed | 13:52 |
| Qiming | these are the relationships between actions and policies | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | and ... among policies, there is a priority checking | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | so most of these can be treated as bugs | 13:53 |
| Qiming | and we can strive to fix them starting from now | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | yanyanhu_, since you are looking into rally | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, you mean remove priority attr from policy? | 13:54 |
| Qiming | maybe you can give team an assessment next week? | 13:54 |
| cschulz | Can the table be posted somewhere so we can all look at it and comment. | 13:54 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu_, no, I was pointing out that we are talking about different things | 13:54 |
| Qiming | yes, cschulz | 13:54 |
| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, sure, will do some investigation in coming week | 13:55 |
| Qiming | #action Qiming to draft a table (action, policy) and post it online | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu_ | Qiming, I see | 13:55 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussions | 13:55 |
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| haiwei | can we arrange a discussion sometime this week to talk about containers? | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | sure | 13:56 |
| Qiming | maybe a phone call? | 13:56 |
| haiwei | maybe Tuesday morning? | 13:56 |
| cschulz | I was wondering if there is a 'proof reading' policy for our web pages, wiki pages etc. I've noticed quite a lot of typos and misspellings and it looks unprofessional. | 13:56 |
| haiwei | I am ok for phone call meeting | 13:56 |
| Qiming | cschulz, all docs, except for the wiki pages are generated from senlin source tree | 13:57 |
| Qiming | any helps are welcomed on polishing the docs | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu_ | I think maybe we can start to post some items in the following etherpad about what we are doing for newton cycle | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:57 |
| yanyanhu_ | maybe just some draft | 13:58 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:58 |
| Qiming | cschulz, there is no native English speaker in the team | 13:58 |
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| cschulz | Wrong, there is me. | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | s/is/was | 13:58 |
| Qiming | :) | 13:58 |
| yanyanhu_ | cschulz cool :) | 13:58 |
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| elynn | cschulz great! | 13:59 |
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| haiwei | I thought you were a Chinese too | 13:59 |
| Qiming | time's up, guys, thanks for joining, until next week! | 13:59 |
| haiwei | see u | 13:59 |
| yanyanhu_ | thanks | 13:59 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 13:59:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-15-13.00.html | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-15-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-15-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
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| kevinbenton | hello folks here for neutron meeting | 14:00 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:00 |
| dasm | o/ | 14:00 |
| kevinbenton | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 14:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| iwamoto | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| rossella_s | hi | 14:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 14:00 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 14:01 |
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| kevinbenton | This will be a relatively short meeting, just a few announcements | 14:01 |
| kevinbenton | #topic Announcements/Reminders | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements/Reminders (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mhickey | hello | 14:01 |
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| kevinbenton | Today the branch for stable/mitaka is going to be cut | 14:01 |
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| dasm | \o/ | 14:01 |
| korzen | hello | 14:01 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 14:02 |
| kevinbenton | so any fixes that need to go into mitaka after this will need to be back-ported like we would for any other stable branch | 14:02 |
| ajo | o/ | 14:02 |
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| ajo | ack | 14:03 |
| vhoward | o/ | 14:03 |
| kevinbenton | I believe armax and ihrachys have narrowed the bugs down so there are no major blockers for RC-1 that we need to worry about | 14:03 |
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| kevinbenton | does anyone have any bugs that need to be brought to everyone's attention? | 14:03 |
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| kevinbenton | (that would be a major issue in Mitaka) | 14:04 |
| hichihara | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1556884 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1556884 in neutron "floating-ip association is allowed via router interface" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to YAMAMOTO Takashi (yamamoto) | 14:04 |
| kevinbenton | hichihara: thanks, i saw this one as well and it looks like we accidentally added a feature :) | 14:04 |
| hichihara | I'm not sure that is worth Mitaka. L3 folks should review it. | 14:04 |
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| kevinbenton | hichihara: it may be worth considering because we don't want to accidentally ship a feature that looks like it works | 14:05 |
| hichihara | kevinbenton: I think so | 14:06 |
| kevinbenton | hichihara: probably something to propose as a back-port to the mitaka branch before the final release | 14:06 |
| reedip__ | o/ | 14:06 |
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| kevinbenton | Also, this week is the week to announce PTL candidacies, so if you are interested in being PTL, send an email to the list! | 14:07 |
| irenab | kevinbenton: The feature is indeed very useful | 14:07 |
| hichihara | kevinbenton: I'm OK. | 14:07 |
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| hichihara | I haven't seen Neutron candidacy yet. | 14:08 |
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| kevinbenton | hichihara: i don't think anyone has sent one yet | 14:08 |
| amuller | Armando is suspiciously quiet :) | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | hichihara: we still have hope Armando will lead the way ;) | 14:09 |
| hichihara | ihrachys: Of course! :) | 14:09 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-rc1 | 14:09 |
| salv-orlando | I've heard Cthulhu wants to run as neutron PTL... | 14:09 |
| kevinbenton | ^^ that's the stuff targeted for RC1, keep an eye on anything still open in high or critical status | 14:09 |
| ajo | salv-orlando, is he friend with zuul? | 14:10 |
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| salv-orlando | ajo: they might know each other from some past work experience but I don't think they're friends | 14:10 |
| * njohnston is highly amused | 14:10 | |
| rossella_s | lol | 14:10 |
| kevinbenton | #info hichihara is bug deputy this week! | 14:10 |
| hichihara | Yeah. | 14:10 |
| rossella_s | good luck hichihara | 14:11 |
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| hichihara | I have already started | 14:11 |
| mhickey | hichihara: ++ | 14:11 |
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| kevinbenton | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/policies/bugs.rst#neutron-bug-deputy | 14:11 |
| kevinbenton | ^^ bug deputy info | 14:12 |
| kevinbenton | #topic open discussion | 14:12 |
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| kevinbenton | i don't have anything else. does anyone have anything they would like to discuss? | 14:12 |
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| iwamoto | there are some restructure-l2-agent related bugs | 14:12 |
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| iwamoto | bug/1528895 and bug/1430999 | 14:13 |
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| ajo | salv-orlando: lol | 14:13 |
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| iwamoto | I wonder if we want a quick fix for the coming release | 14:13 |
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| ajo | hichihara++ | 14:13 |
| kevinbenton | i don't think so on bug/1430999. we can advise timeout increases for that as a workaround | 14:14 |
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| iwamoto | the bugs have been there for more than a release and affects only high density environments | 14:14 |
| kevinbenton | iwamoto: yes, i don't think we want to put together last minute chunking fixes for these | 14:15 |
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| rossella_s | I agree with you kevinbenton ... | 14:15 |
| reedip__ | we can target such issues in N-1? | 14:16 |
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| iwamoto | ok | 14:16 |
| kevinbenton | yes, we need to clearly identify the bottlenecks anyway | 14:16 |
| iwamoto | I think reverting change is better than increasing timeouts | 14:17 |
| rossella_s | we need a more general approach to fix those issues...I think Kevin is working on that, right Kevinbenton? | 14:17 |
| iwamoto | the new RPCs don't scale | 14:17 |
| kevinbenton | rossella_s: yes | 14:17 |
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| kevinbenton | iwamoto: wait, revert what? | 14:17 |
| iwamoto | batched agent RPC calls | 14:17 |
| iwamoto | or impose some limit on numbers of ports one RPC can send | 14:18 |
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| kevinbenton | iwamoto: didn't that ship in liberty? | 14:18 |
| ajo | iwamoto, I think the former is better | 14:18 |
| ajo | iwamoto, we could have a parameter for agents (max bulk ports objects call) or something like that | 14:19 |
| ajo | objects per call | 14:19 |
| iwamoto | yes liberty has the bug. and at least one person had to increase timeout for workaround , it seems | 14:19 |
| kevinbenton | breaking the calls into chunks it basically pointless though | 14:19 |
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| kevinbenton | when increasing the timeout acheives the same effect | 14:20 |
| rossella_s | ajo we need something better than that | 14:20 |
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| rossella_s | kevinbenton you were working at that right, can't find the patch right now | 14:20 |
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| kevinbenton | rossella_s: yes, there is a spec | 14:20 |
| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225995/ | 14:20 |
| ajo | why is it pointless? | 14:20 |
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| kevinbenton | ajo: what does it acheive? | 14:20 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: the agent still sits there and waits for all of the calls to return | 14:21 |
| ajo | kevinbenton: smaller subsets that need to be completed | 14:21 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: so waiting for 50 smaller calls to return instead of 1 big one doesn't improve anything on the agent size | 14:21 |
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| iwamoto | IMO agent should not issue such a gigantic RPC call | 14:21 |
| rossella_s | that could be backported when ready to fix these issues | 14:21 |
| rossella_s | thanks kevinbenton | 14:21 |
| ajo | the agent waits, but if some of the calls timeout the succeeded ones don't need to be retried | 14:21 |
| amuller | why don't we increase the timeout from 1 min? I've made that suggestion before | 14:21 |
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| amuller | We know 1 min is too low, we know the value is arbitrary anyway | 14:22 |
| amuller | Let's bump it up | 14:22 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: +1 | 14:22 |
| ajo | we can make the timeout dynamic | 14:22 |
| ajo | a factor per number of bulk call objects | 14:22 |
| ajo | if we can do that in oslo.messaging (not sure if we can dynamically control that per call) | 14:23 |
| njohnston | amuller: +1 | 14:23 |
| ajo | but +1 to just bumping it a bit | 14:23 |
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| rossella_s | we could avoid such gigantic calls when they are not needed and send only a diff to update the l2 agent | 14:23 |
| kevinbenton | we are only chunking because for some reason people have been afraid to increase these timeouts | 14:23 |
| reedip__ | I agree with Ajo of keeping the bump dynamic | 14:24 |
| kevinbenton | rossella_s: i think the only time we get the huge ones on startup anyway | 14:24 |
| ajo | how's timeout controlled? | 14:24 |
| ajo | is there any way to set it per RPC call? | 14:24 |
| kevinbenton | a configuration variable | 14:25 |
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| rossella_s | kevinbenton, also on bulk create that might happen | 14:25 |
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| * ajo digs oslo_messaging | 14:25 | |
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| iwamoto | is timeout a issue in other projects than neutron? | 14:25 |
| amuller | ajo: yes it can be per call | 14:25 |
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| ajo | iwamoto, it is, for example in cinder | 14:25 |
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| ajo | I know they need to bump it in some deployments | 14:25 |
| ajo | amuller, if that's the case, I'd propose controlling it on bulk calls based on the amount of objects | 14:25 |
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| amuller | we need something now for the Mitaka release | 14:26 |
| ajo | and we can have a rpc_bulk_call_timeout_factor | 14:26 |
| kevinbenton | there is almost no reason to not have a high timeout | 14:26 |
| ajo | amuller, short term: just bump it | 14:26 |
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| kevinbenton | short timeouts only protect against completely lost messages, that's it | 14:26 |
| rossella_s | amuller, bump it ;) | 14:26 |
| ajo | bump! | 14:26 |
| reedip__ | lol | 14:26 |
| ajo | :) | 14:27 |
| ajo | Kevinbenton, in fact, they don't even stop the server operation, | 14:27 |
| kevinbenton | no, they don't | 14:27 |
| ajo | so the impact for server load is even worse, as the operation would be retried | 14:27 |
| ajo | so yes | 14:27 |
| kevinbenton | from the server's perspective, processing a giant call is not much better than processing smaller calls | 14:28 |
| iwamoto | does RPC timeouts serve any positive purpose? | 14:28 |
| ajo | it makes sense to raise those timeouts by default, message loss is generally a non expected events, stuff could freeze for 3-4 minutes in such case and it'd be ok | 14:28 |
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| kevinbenton | iwamoto: detecting lost messages | 14:28 |
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| ajo | "a non expected events" -> "a non expected event" | 14:28 |
| iwamoto | kevinbenton: doesn't tcp and amqp supposed to handle that? | 14:29 |
| kevinbenton | iwamoto: a server can die after it takes the call message off the queue | 14:29 |
| salv-orlando | ajo: while your claim is questionable about system freeze a timeout should be set in a way that 99% of non-problematic calls typically finish within that time | 14:29 |
| salv-orlando | so if a call takes over 5secs 50% of time as 5 sec timeout makes no sense, it must be increased | 14:30 |
| iwamoto | so it has some meaning in a active-active setup | 14:30 |
| kevinbenton | iwamoto: yes | 14:30 |
| ajo | salv-orlando, even 99.9% ? :) | 14:30 |
| ajo | failing 1 of 100 non-problematic calls also sounds problematic | 14:30 |
| ajo | :) | 14:30 |
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| salv-orlando | ajo: whatever... nines are not my department | 14:31 |
| salv-orlando | ;) | 14:31 |
| ajo | :) | 14:31 |
| ajo | salv-orlando, what timeout do we have now by default? | 14:31 |
| kevinbenton | either 30 or 60 seconds | 14:31 |
| kevinbenton | it comes from oslo messaging i think | 14:31 |
| salv-orlando | kevinbenton: which we arbitrarily chose, didn't we? | 14:31 |
| salv-orlando | right inherited | 14:31 |
| salv-orlando | so arbitrary from our perspective | 14:32 |
| kevinbenton | yep | 14:32 |
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| amuller | 60 secs | 14:32 |
| salv-orlando | I just think a timeout should be set a realistic value wrt to the call you're making | 14:32 |
| ajo | I keep thinking, a certain other number would always be arbitrary... | 14:32 |
| ajo | but for now, higher is better | 14:32 |
| ajo | from bulk calls perspective | 14:33 |
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| salv-orlando | ajo: an "educated guess" timeout... not entirely arbitary, come on ;) | 14:33 |
| ajo | salv-orlando, yes that's why I say proportional timeouts could be a better approach looking at the long term | 14:33 |
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| kevinbenton | what about one that grows everytime a timeout exception is encountered? | 14:33 |
| kevinbenton | and sleeps in between?! | 14:34 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: you mean like the patch you already have up for review? =D | 14:34 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, that one :) | 14:34 |
| amuller | funny you should mention it | 14:34 |
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| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286405/ | 14:34 |
| ajo | +1 for exponential backoffs (not only extra timeout) | 14:35 |
| kevinbenton | This was all an elaborate setup to get everyone to look at unicode table flipping | 14:35 |
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| haleyb | there's a lot of red on that one :) | 14:35 |
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| kevinbenton | Add exponential backoff to RPC client: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280595/ | 14:35 |
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| ajo | hmm, Kevinbenton++ | 14:36 |
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| * ajo reviews again | 14:36 | |
| iwamoto | what's the point in gradually increasing timeouts? | 14:36 |
| ajo | garyk1, about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286405/ | 14:37 |
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| kevinbenton | iwamoto: to make them larger :) | 14:37 |
| iwamoto | we can have the max from the beginning | 14:37 |
| ajo | I think it could be beneficial now, | 14:37 |
| ajo | and later on that could be addited onto oslo messaging itself | 14:37 |
| kevinbenton | iwamoto: the idea is that you want a timeout still to be able to detect lost messages in a reasonably quick time | 14:37 |
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| kevinbenton | iwamoto: this allows it to be increased for just calls that trigger timeouts if the configuration setting is too low (which will probably be the case for many deployers) | 14:38 |
| kevinbenton | Let's discuss on that patch | 14:39 |
| kevinbenton | does anyone have anything else, or can we end the meeting? | 14:39 |
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| reedip__ | I agree with kevinbenton, timeout should be large so that small delays are ignored, but no large that it takes an eternity to get the mesage return back. Keeping it dynamic helps in having the timeout in an acceptble range for ifferent systems | 14:40 |
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| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: yay neutron as a learning system.... | 14:41 |
| salv-orl_ | eventually it will be able to play go | 14:41 |
| kevinbenton | salv-orl_: i think we need a neural network to determine timeout values | 14:42 |
| salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: I think you need some sleep | 14:42 |
| reedip__ | kevinbenton: how many layers of neural network do u need??? ;) | 14:42 |
| ajo | kevinbenton, I added you a nit comment: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280595/7/neutron/common/rpc.py | 14:43 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: not interested unless it's running on containers | 14:43 |
| ajo | to really make the backoffs exponential too, as literacy suggest | 14:43 |
| ajo | I'm not an expert in fact, just a reader | 14:44 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 14:44 |
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| kevinbenton | time for meeting to be over i think :) | 14:44 |
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| kevinbenton | thanks everyone! | 14:44 |
| iwamoto | good night | 14:44 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 14:44:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-03-15-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| ajo | thanks for handling it this early for you! | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-03-15-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-03-15-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
| dasm | thanks | 14:44 |
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| hichihara | kevinbenton: Nice chair! Thanks. | 14:45 |
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| hichihara | bye | 14:45 |
| mhickey | bye, thxs | 14:45 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_routed_networks | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 15:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_routed_networks' | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
| xiaohhui | hi | 15:00 |
| reedip__ | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | As you know, Neutron RC1 is over or very close to over | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements from the team? | 15:01 |
| reedip__ | mlavalle : There are some bugs still left, but armax said it woud be over by tomorrow | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I knew it was around today, but not the exact date. Thanks for the clarification :-) | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | any other annoucements? | 15:02 |
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| reedip__ | not from my end... anyone else? | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #topic Progress | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | reedip__: I think you are working on the client, right? Any progress since last week? | 15:04 |
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| rtheis | mlavalle: I have a couple patches for OSC client | 15:04 |
| reedip__ | mlavalle : I have put up a WIP fo neutronclient | 15:04 |
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| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290054/ | 15:04 |
| reedip__ | and rthies put up some for OSC | 15:04 |
| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290138/ | 15:04 |
| reedip__ | for Neutronclient: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290267/ | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | I assume reviews are requested for those patchsets, correct? | 15:05 |
| reedip__ | I was thinking of adding the name/description to the segment CRUD : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284440/6 | 15:05 |
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| rtheis | mlavalle: reviews are welcome | 15:05 |
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| reedip__ | Sorry, wrong link : http://paste.openstack.org/show/490455/ | 15:06 |
| rtheis | But maybe after reedip__ adds name/description to segment CRUD | 15:06 |
| reedip__ | rtheis : ^^ something to check | 15:06 |
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| reedip__ | I have the PS ready but just a tad bit cautious of changing the provider_d b | 15:07 |
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| rtheis | reedip__: thanks | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | reedip__: is that a change to Carl's patchset? | 15:07 |
| reedip__ | mlavalle: yup | 15:07 |
| reedip__ | adding the name/desc parameter to the segment CRUD | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | I think he made a comment allowing for changes to low hanging fruit, right? | 15:08 |
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| reedip__ | mlavalle: yup , so I will publsh the PS tomorrow. I also have to create a Migration script | 15:09 |
| reedip__ | 9 | 15:09 |
| reedip__ | 9 | 15:09 |
| reedip__ | ( attached in the paste link above) | 15:09 |
| rtheis | thank you reedip__ | 15:09 |
| reedip__ | as the provider_db has the NetworkSegment class and it needs two new columns for Name/Description ( sorry , the keyboard got stuck... ) | 15:10 |
| rtheis | Looks like line 79 in paste link has a copy/paste error (Add ip_version to AddressScope) | 15:10 |
| reedip__ | Yes, it was an already created file, which I just modified for devstack to work | 15:11 |
| rtheis | ok | 15:11 |
| reedip__ | The migration script was not being generated ( some problem with neutron-db-manage) | 15:11 |
| reedip__ | I will take a new checkout of neutron tomorrow and fix that | 15:11 |
| reedip__ | anything else for progress? | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | on my side, I have been working on rebasing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285548/ | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | it is not such a simple rebase because modules were deleted from the base patchset | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | so I am moving code around to the new module | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I expect to push the revision later today | 15:13 |
| reedip__ | ok , great ... | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | I will keep on eye on reedip__ changes becuase I think those will impact my patchsetr | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I also had a good follow up with the nova team | 15:13 |
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| reedip__ | anything important to share with us mlavalle? | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | specifically, I had a conversation with edleafe about nova resource pools https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187 | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | and how it impacted by the roued networks spec on the nova side: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898 | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | so he made already comments to both specs based on this conversation | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I will also review both specs between today and tomorrow and will do my best to keep them in synch | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | I also intend to attend the weekly nova meeting this week to draw attention to all this | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have as far as progress this week | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | anyone else? | 15:17 |
| xiaohhui | For the action in last meeting "Work on plugin interface for host mapping", I have some intial thoughts and send out a mail for discussion. But it is too early to make patch for it now. | 15:17 |
| * neiljerram arrives late - sorry all! | 15:17 | |
| mlavalle | xiaohhui: yeah, I saw the email this morning. Thanks. I gave it a first read and looks good to me | 15:17 |
| xiaohhui | thanks | 15:18 |
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| rtheis | I have also been investigating the steps to allow neutronclient to support OSC plugin since the home for the CLI may move from OSC core to OSC plugin | 15:18 |
| rtheis | Which is related to my previous WIP patch sets for the CLI | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | rtheis: thanks! | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | any thing else as far as progress? | 15:19 |
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| reedip__ | rtheis: any documentation for OSC plugin? | 15:19 |
| rtheis | yes... | 15:20 |
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| rtheis | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/plugins.html | 15:20 |
| reedip__ | rtheis : thanks :) | 15:20 |
| rtheis | I've also pushed a patch to clarify a few things on OSC side: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292541/ | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | rtheis: this is not specific to routed networks, right? | 15:22 |
| rtheis | correct | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | ok, anything else as far as progress? | 15:22 |
| rtheis | mlavalle: I think routed networks will just be the first to tackle OSC plugin for neutron | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | rtheis: ah, ok, that makes sense :-) | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | so, let's move on... | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | #topic OVN and routed networks | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | xiaohhui: I added a topic for OVN to the agenda. Is there anything that you want to add here? | 15:24 |
| xiaohhui | With my investigation, I think OVN needs some code change for routed network. I add them in the mail I sent out a litter earlier | 15:24 |
| xiaohhui | nothing else | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | xiaohhui: thank you. If I understood correctly, you sent that email to Carl, Russel and me. If I am correct, I suggest sending it to the ML, so others can chime in... | 15:25 |
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| rtheis | yes, that would be good to see | 15:26 |
| rtheis | thanks | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | IMO it always helps to get feedback from the community | 15:26 |
| xiaohhui | OK, I will send in the mail list | 15:26 |
| xiaohhui | thanks for the suggestion | 15:26 |
| reedip__ | m empty ... I agree | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Discussion | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | Anything else we should discuss with the team today? | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:27 |
| reedip__ | oh hey... he is back | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: hey | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | Just getting off of D.C. Metro | 15:28 |
| reedip__ | Arnold Shwarzennegger of Routed Networks... | 15:28 |
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| rtheis | I have a couple questions on user interface which may impact CLI and/or API | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | reedip__: wondering if you're creating a new patch set or updating mine. | 15:29 |
| reedip__ | carl_baldwin : updating yours | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | reedip__: would you mind creating a follow on patch set? | 15:29 |
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| rtheis | Will a segment always be tied to a single network and not standalone or scoped to another resource? | 15:29 |
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| reedip__ | carl_baldwin : yeah, I can, to keep your work and mine independent (??) | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | rtheis: yes | 15:30 |
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| rtheis | Is it possible to update any aspects of a segment after created (besides possibly name and description)? | 15:30 |
| rtheis | carl_baldwin: thank you | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | reedip__: minimize scope of each, mostly. | 15:30 |
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| reedip__ | carl_baldwin : okay, will put a depends-on , | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | reedip__: that way, they ought to merge earlier. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | reedip__: just make mine the commit's parent. | 15:32 |
| reedip__ | Yeah, will check out your code ( PS#6) , make changes and commit as a separate patch ( that would make your PS#6 the parent ) | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: thanks for running the meeting. I'll read it all when I can. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | reedip__: cool, thanks | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: np, enjoy your vacation :-) | 15:33 |
| reedip__ | carl_baldwin: np | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: rtheis also asked Is it possible to update any aspects of a segment after created (besides possibly name and description)? | 15:34 |
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| rtheis | And finally, when creating a segment via CLI, are there any suggestions for default values? Right now, all options are required. Please comment in CLI patch sets if you believe a default makes sense. | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | rtheis: no, no defaults | 15:35 |
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| rtheis | carl_baldwin: thank you | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | rtheis: unless maybe for name when that's a thing | 15:36 |
| rtheis | sure | 15:36 |
| reedip__ | name as default ? or Update ? | 15:37 |
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| reedip__ | I think its for Update | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | reedip__: both, default could be none and it could be updated. | 15:38 |
| reedip__ | carl_baldwin : Oh, ok ... but I think the API would be enough to handle it ? | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | reedip__: you're right | 15:38 |
| reedip__ | I mean no need to define defaults in CLI if the API can handle it for name and description | 15:38 |
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| * carl_baldwin on vacation. | 15:39 | |
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| mlavalle | ok anything else? | 15:40 |
| rtheis | mlavalle: I don't have anything else | 15:40 |
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| mlavalle | All right, thank you for attending and for your updates. Will see you next week (1 hour earlier) | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 15:41:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| xiaohhui | bye~ | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-03-15-15.00.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-03-15-15.00.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-03-15-15.00.log.html | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | bye | 15:42 |
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| jasondotstar | #startmeeting openstack-salt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 16:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-salt)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_salt' | 16:00 |
| jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 16:00 |
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| jasondotstar | o/ | 16:00 |
| cznewt | \o | 16:00 |
| jasondotstar | hi cznewt | 16:00 |
| liqw | o/ | 16:00 |
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| jasondotstar | hi liqw | 16:01 |
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| cznewt | hello, last time I tried to chair, was fun, made a few errors though :o :) | 16:01 |
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| cznewt | like wrong start command, luckily did not get recorded :D | 16:01 |
| jasondotstar | you did a fine job, cznewt - thanks for stepping in! \o/ | 16:01 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduction (Meeting topic: openstack-salt)" | 16:02 | |
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| jasondotstar | This meeting for the openstack-salt team | 16:02 |
| jasondotstar | if you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt | 16:02 |
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| jasondotstar | meetings are here, Weekly on Tuesdays at 1600UTC | 16:02 |
| jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 16:02 |
| jasondotstar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt | 16:02 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Review past action items | 16:02 |
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| jasondotstar | ok, let's see... i took a look at last week's meeting notes | 16:03 |
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| jasondotstar | here's what we've got - 1) genunix to continue researching openstack packaging | 16:03 |
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| genunix | o/ | 16:03 |
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| jasondotstar | hi genunix | 16:04 |
| jasondotstar | any status on this item? | 16:04 |
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| genunix | no update | 16:05 |
| jasondotstar | np, let's move it up - if you need someone to take a look at it in parallel, I can possibly help out | 16:05 |
| genunix | busy with building Debian images+packages for Raspberry :-) | 16:05 |
| jasondotstar | #action genunix to continue researching openstack packaging (with help from jasondotstar) | 16:06 |
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| jasondotstar | ok no worries | 16:06 |
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| jasondotstar | this next one dovetails on it: | 16:06 |
| jasondotstar | continue to research building RPMs using the openstack-ci (unassigned) | 16:06 |
| jasondotstar | anyone want to take a look at this one? | 16:07 |
| jasondotstar | if not, I'll help out with this one as well. | 16:07 |
| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to research building RPMs using the openstack-ci | 16:07 |
| jasondotstar | ok next one: | 16:08 |
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| jasondotstar | iceyao to test the centos aio deployment | 16:08 |
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| jasondotstar | don't see iceyao in chan | 16:08 |
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| jasondotstar | perhaps iceyao is offline now. one of the reasons we might need to reschedule this meeting to accommodate our far east team members | 16:09 |
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| jasondotstar | #action iceyao to continue testing the centos aio deployment | 16:10 |
| jasondotstar | next: | 16:10 |
| cznewt | yes unfortunately lot of redhat guys is offline | 16:10 |
| jasondotstar | is iceyao from RH? | 16:10 |
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| jasondotstar | cznewt: ^ | 16:11 |
| cznewt | meaning redhat salt deploying, not exactly from redhat | 16:11 |
| jasondotstar | oh i gotcha - I'm an RH alum :-) | 16:11 |
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| cznewt | for redhat testing we have done a testing lab | 16:11 |
| cznewt | and most of the issues come from not-openstack related formulas - galera, gluster etc | 16:12 |
| jasondotstar | i c | 16:12 |
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| cznewt | but we're getting through | 16:12 |
| jasondotstar | yep, looks like it | 16:12 |
| jasondotstar | I'll have to get with you guys on it | 16:12 |
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| jasondotstar | there's a special place in my 'heart' for how things work from a RH perspective :-> | 16:12 |
| cznewt | :D | 16:13 |
| jasondotstar | so this next one is => prepare the repositories for redhat deployments | 16:13 |
| jasondotstar | again, along the same lines | 16:13 |
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| cznewt | genunix is doing preliminary preparations | 16:13 |
| cznewt | for rh repos | 16:13 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 16:13 |
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| jasondotstar | genunix: do you mind if i put your name on this one? | 16:14 |
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| genunix | I think this was up to ali | 16:14 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 16:14 |
| genunix | we currently have RPM repo but only for taking third parties as is, etc. | 16:14 |
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| genunix | no own CI yet | 16:14 |
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| cznewt | yes to clear matter up, we are reusing 3rd parties packages [rdo and contrail] | 16:15 |
| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:15 |
| cznewt | and for the test lab we'll get these setup properly, I think we have ended up at contrail's gates | 16:15 |
| jasondotstar | #agreed we are currently reusing third party packages [rdo, contrail] | 16:16 |
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| cznewt | that except gluster,contrail everything looks fine | 16:16 |
| jasondotstar | #action arif-ali to continue the preparation of the RH repos | 16:17 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 16:17 |
| cznewt | +1 | 16:17 |
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| jasondotstar | another UNASSIGNED one => look at getting OVS networking working | 16:17 |
| jasondotstar | any takers? | 16:18 |
| cznewt | this goes the our chinese friend from past meeting | 16:18 |
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| jasondotstar | +1 | 16:18 |
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| cznewt | we don't have capacity to get this working in near future, so anyone's help would be appreciated | 16:18 |
| jasondotstar | #action iceyao to look into getting OVS networking operational | 16:18 |
| cznewt | yes, +1 | 16:19 |
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| cznewt | the same goes for the next issue | 16:19 |
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| jasondotstar | agreed | 16:19 |
| cznewt | I think we can merge these 2, as they deal with the same issue | 16:19 |
| jasondotstar | #action iceyao to get the neutron formula with OVS support ready | 16:20 |
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| jasondotstar | ok | 16:20 |
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| jasondotstar | any other items to discuss on the action items from last meeting? | 16:20 |
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| cznewt | I think that's it, all important issues are in today's agenda | 16:21 |
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| jasondotstar | ok | 16:21 |
| jasondotstar | let's move on then | 16:21 |
| jasondotstar | #topic Today's Agenda | 16:21 |
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| jasondotstar | so i guess we didn't have quorum last meeting | 16:21 |
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| jasondotstar | to discuss: OpenStack summit at Austin develop session (there was no one to discuss this with during last week's meeting) | 16:21 |
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| jasondotstar | is everyone attending the Austin Summit in April? | 16:22 |
| cznewt | yes for me | 16:22 |
| genunix | me and cznewt | 16:22 |
| jasondotstar | my travel is currently pending approval | 16:22 |
| cznewt | I hope it will pass :) | 16:23 |
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| cznewt | you don't have it that far | 16:23 |
| jasondotstar | I am scheduled (booked) to go but we'll see if it is approved | 16:23 |
| cznewt | fingers crossed :) | 16:23 |
| jasondotstar | yeah... the company has an approval process that takes some time so... we'll see | 16:23 |
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| jasondotstar | I was in Tokyo... that got approved | 16:23 |
| jasondotstar | but we'll have to see about TX | 16:24 |
| cznewt | and how is the procedure to get the devel meetup | 16:24 |
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| cznewt | texas is like 1/10th of the distance :) | 16:24 |
| cznewt | comparing to japan | 16:24 |
| jasondotstar | i know | 16:24 |
| jasondotstar | :-) | 16:24 |
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| jasondotstar | so are we thinking of doing a design summit session? | 16:24 |
| cznewt | yes | 16:24 |
| jasondotstar | is that what you mean by devel meetup? | 16:25 |
| genunix | for sure | 16:25 |
| jasondotstar | well, we can try to get a room for us | 16:25 |
| cznewt | yes design session | 16:25 |
| jasondotstar | but I'm not exactly sure how that works | 16:25 |
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| jasondotstar | i think there's a sign-up etherpad somewhere (or something) | 16:25 |
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| jasondotstar | I hope the window hasn't closed for us though... | 16:25 |
| jasondotstar | anyone in channel know what the procedure is? | 16:26 |
| cznewt | well, my colleague tells me, that we cannot get design session before we get oficially under openstack | 16:26 |
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| jasondotstar | ah | 16:26 |
| jasondotstar | i c | 16:26 |
| jasondotstar | have to be a big tent project first (i guess) | 16:26 |
| jasondotstar | in that case | 16:27 |
| jasondotstar | I did see in Tokyo that there were informal meetings | 16:27 |
| jasondotstar | that were being held in hotel lobbies, and etc. | 16:28 |
| cznewt | but we have propsed a "Bird of feather" session in which we want to describe real world usage of openstack-salt | 16:28 |
| jasondotstar | we can look to see if there are any accommodations for that | 16:29 |
| jasondotstar | I know of another effort to put together a BoF | 16:29 |
| jasondotstar | wait, you're saying you've already proposed one | 16:29 |
| jasondotstar | cool | 16:29 |
| jasondotstar | how much time is it? 45min? | 16:29 |
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| cznewt | this is Lithium/tcp cloud's usage of openstack-salt | 16:30 |
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| cznewt | yes, I think so | 16:30 |
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| cznewt | We can look at the informal meetings | 16:30 |
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| jasondotstar | right ok | 16:30 |
| cznewt | What BoF you were thinking of? | 16:30 |
| jasondotstar | #action Look into scheduling an informal openstack-salt session for our team | 16:30 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt: App Ecosystem WG | 16:30 |
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| jasondotstar | they are putting together a BoF as well - I assist with that team (now) as well. | 16:31 |
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| cznewt | WG stands for? | 16:31 |
| jasondotstar | Working Group | 16:31 |
| genunix | "Working Girl; a call girl or a prostitue." | 16:31 |
| jasondotstar | noooooooooooooo | 16:31 |
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| cznewt | :D not exactly | 16:31 |
| jasondotstar | not that. | 16:31 |
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| jasondotstar | careful, sensitive ears here. :-) | 16:32 |
| jasondotstar | but yes, the AppEcoWG is doing a BoF | 16:32 |
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| cznewt | for the usage of openstack-salt? | 16:33 |
| jasondotstar | I think our best bet is to try and see if there's a place where we can meet informally | 16:33 |
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| jasondotstar | no not for salt, for their group/team | 16:33 |
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| jasondotstar | ok | 16:35 |
| jasondotstar | any other discussion on this topic? | 16:36 |
| cznewt | I know the floorplans of the summit building, so it won't be problem to find a suitable place :) | 16:36 |
| jasondotstar | nice!!! | 16:36 |
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| cznewt | we will be placing some environmental sensors there | 16:36 |
| jasondotstar | hehehe... cool | 16:36 |
| cznewt | iqrf mesh network :) yes a side project | 16:37 |
| cznewt | with positive implications :) | 16:37 |
| jasondotstar | hehehehhe | 16:37 |
| cznewt | but i think this topic is done | 16:37 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 16:37 |
| cznewt | for today | 16:37 |
| jasondotstar | next one: | 16:37 |
| jasondotstar | Meeting time change to 14:00 gmt | 16:37 |
| jasondotstar | good thing is, we're expanding our team | 16:38 |
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| jasondotstar | glad to have more ppl helping out with this effort | 16:38 |
| cznewt | but it is harder to get 1 time to fit all | 16:38 |
| jasondotstar | perhaps we need to move the meeting time up | 16:38 |
| jasondotstar | cznewt: yep, that's true | 16:38 |
| jasondotstar | a couple other teams alternate meeting times | 16:38 |
| jasondotstar | which is an option | 16:38 |
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| jasondotstar | but we have to take into consideration what meeting times are available here in the meeting channel(s) | 16:39 |
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| cznewt | yes, we could do alternate times, how does it work? 2 meetings/week different times | 16:40 |
| jasondotstar | is everyone ok with the 1400UTC time slot? | 16:40 |
| jasondotstar | one meeting a week | 16:40 |
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| jasondotstar | alternating the times each week | 16:40 |
| cznewt | Europeans are fine, what about you? :) | 16:40 |
| jasondotstar | it's a only a couple hours earlier | 16:41 |
| jasondotstar | should be fine | 16:41 |
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| jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to check the irc meeting channels for an available meeting slot at 1400UTC | 16:41 |
| jasondotstar | we may have to change the channel we're in | 16:41 |
| cznewt | it is fine with us, if there is free slot | 16:41 |
| jasondotstar | if not, I'll let you guys know what is avail. | 16:41 |
| jasondotstar | ok next: | 16:42 |
| jasondotstar | Continuing to push the SaltStack on formula integration resolution, e-mailed David Boucha directly for some kind of official reply (http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/extending-ecosystem.html) | 16:42 |
| jasondotstar | #link http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/extending-ecosystem.html) | 16:42 |
| jasondotstar | #link http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/extending-ecosystem.html | 16:42 |
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| cznewt | we are in touch with saltstack (as a company to company) so I've used this channel to address salt internal staff | 16:43 |
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| jasondotstar | so we are looking to get these formulas added to the official list of saltstack formulas | 16:43 |
| jasondotstar | is that correct? | 16:44 |
| jasondotstar | much like PuppetForge | 16:44 |
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| cznewt | yes, more precisely the way to integrate it | 16:44 |
| jasondotstar | gotcha | 16:44 |
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| jasondotstar | can you keep us updated on the latest on this? | 16:44 |
| cznewt | I've sent something like this: "We are currently setting up the salt based deployment of openstack, however there are many more formulas outside of scope of openstack, which we would like to integrate/merge with official salt formulas. The complete formula ecosystem is summarized here: http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/extending-ecosystem.html and it consists of about 50 formulas all sharing the same metadata layout. However the integration wi | 16:44 |
| cznewt | yes I will | 16:44 |
| jasondotstar | sounds good1 | 16:45 |
| cznewt | this is rather difficult matter for both sides | 16:45 |
| jasondotstar | I'm sure | 16:45 |
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| jasondotstar | let us know what you need from the team | 16:45 |
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| cznewt | yes, exactly | 16:46 |
| cznewt | hoping to get progress on this | 16:46 |
| jasondotstar | #action cznewt to update the team on the integration process of our salt formulas with saltstack | 16:46 |
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| jasondotstar | ok last topic: | 16:47 |
| jasondotstar | status of the CentOS based labs | 16:47 |
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| jasondotstar | does this fall in iceyao's territory ? | 16:47 |
| cznewt | this is something we have beeen progressing, from point of setting up metadata and testing if formulas work in general | 16:47 |
| jasondotstar | ok | 16:48 |
| cznewt | this will help iceyao to test his work | 16:48 |
| jasondotstar | gotcha | 16:48 |
| cznewt | can you place this action to 'Tux' user | 16:49 |
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| jasondotstar | hehehe | 16:49 |
| cznewt | as he does all the stack adjustments :) | 16:49 |
| cznewt | he could not attend today's meeting, but has the job almost complete | 16:49 |
| jasondotstar | #action continue to report the status of the CentOS-based labs | 16:50 |
| cznewt | except the contrail repo and gluster service | 16:50 |
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| jasondotstar | cznewt: sounds good. anyone who can report on this feel free to do so | 16:50 |
| cznewt | jasondotstar: perfect :) | 16:50 |
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| jasondotstar | ok | 16:50 |
| jasondotstar | final 10 mins | 16:50 |
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| jasondotstar | #topic Open Discussion, Bug and Review triage (submit modules to triage here) | 16:50 |
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| jasondotstar | do I need to list all of the commits that are currently up for review? | 16:51 |
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| cznewt | we have some reviews stuck | 16:52 |
| cznewt | and we have encoutered some issues with new base image | 16:53 |
| jasondotstar | which reviews are held up? | 16:53 |
| cznewt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276228/ | 16:53 |
| cznewt | this i cannot abandon at all | 16:53 |
| cznewt | it is completely off as it points to wrong branch | 16:54 |
| cznewt | i suppose | 16:54 |
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| jasondotstar | hmm | 16:54 |
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| jasondotstar | we'll have to look at it | 16:55 |
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| jasondotstar | ok any others to bring up here? | 16:56 |
| cznewt | and this one | 16:56 |
| cznewt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276353/ | 16:56 |
| cznewt | this does not go thru even though it has many +1s | 16:57 |
| jasondotstar | hmmm | 16:57 |
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| cznewt | and I dont see reason why | 16:57 |
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| cznewt | should we ty to push it by new path set? | 16:57 |
| jasondotstar | well, i'd like to figure out why it didn't get merged | 16:58 |
| jasondotstar | I +2 merged it | 16:58 |
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| jasondotstar | but it's not moving | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | yeah, I don't see why either | 16:59 |
| cznewt | weird, it's minor fix | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | true | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | ok, we'll look into it... | 16:59 |
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| jasondotstar | alright, times up everyone | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | thanks for joining | 16:59 |
| jasondotstar | see you guys in channel | 17:00 |
| jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| cznewt | see you :) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 17:00:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-15-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-15-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-15-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova notification | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 17:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova notification)" | 17:00 | |
| jasondotstar | thanks cznewt :-) | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_notification' | 17:00 |
| gibi | hi! | 17:00 |
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| gibi | rlrossit wont join today due to Daylight Saving Time wonderfullness | 17:01 |
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| gibi | anyhow I will summarize the situation for logging purposes | 17:02 |
| gibi | so the last piece of the planned notification work is merged to Mitaka. | 17:03 |
| gibi | Now we have the code in place that detects new legacy notifications in test | 17:03 |
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| gibi | and generate a warning runtime | 17:03 |
| gibi | Also the main notification spec is up for review for Newton | 17:04 |
| gibi | It already got decent feedback I think we are on the right track with that | 17:04 |
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| gibi | I still have to think about the secondary spec to add jsonschema notifications for the payloads | 17:05 |
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| gibi | to solve the problem with the DST I will try to find you guys on irc tomorrow | 17:07 |
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| gibi | let's close this schizophrenic meeting | 17:09 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 17:09 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-03-15-17.00.html | 17:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_notification/2016/nova_notification.2016-03-15-17.00.txt | 17:09 |
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| stevemar | reminder ping for keystone meeting: ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub, rderose, samleon, xek, MaxPC, tjcocozz, jorge_m | 17:59 |
| stevemar | unoz | 17:59 |
| stevemar | jorge_munoz: ^ | 17:59 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 17:59 |
| rodrigods | hello :) | 17:59 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 17:59 |
| ayoung | Heh we got long.... | 17:59 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| raildo | hello \o | 18:00 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i think we can axe some of those names | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | I wonder if we can drop some of the notifications | 18:00 |
| shaleh | \o | 18:00 |
| tjcocozz | o/ | 18:00 |
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| claudiub | o/ | 18:00 |
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| browne | o/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | or tell people to shortend their nicknames | 18:00 |
| stevemar | ericksonsantos and geoffarnold haven't been around in a while | 18:00 |
| topol | o/ | 18:00 |
| ayoung | I mean jamielennox? really | 18:01 |
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| knikolla | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | not sure who maxPC is either | 18:01 |
| roxanaghe | o/ | 18:01 |
| ayoung | stevemar, he's my Product Manager | 18:01 |
| stevemar | sounds like a computer repair company from the 90s | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | ah | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | i agree though, jamielennox is far too many characters | 18:02 |
| bknudson | we should get our product managers in here | 18:02 |
| jamielennox | i disagree | 18:02 |
| stevemar | bknudson: zman | 18:02 |
| jamielennox | i think | 18:02 |
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| jamielennox | i didn't see the original statement | 18:02 |
| ayoung | bknudson, jamielennox we need to compact the notifications line | 18:02 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: of course you didn't | 18:02 |
| ayoung | poor jorge_munoz got cut in half | 18:02 |
| samueldmq | hello everyone | 18:02 |
| stevemar | alright, enough banter :) | 18:02 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| ayoung | now xek is a nickname I can get behind | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 18:02:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
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| shaleh | stevebaker: geoffarnold is not coming back in a while. He went of to a IoT startup | 18:02 |
| stevemar | shaleh: coolio | 18:03 |
| stevemar | i'll trim it | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #topic Keystone RC status | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Keystone RC status (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| stevemar | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-rc1 | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | love the number of non-core stepping up to fix bugs | 18:04 |
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| morgan | just do cleanup on the ping notices at the start of the cycle | 18:04 |
| morgan | easiest way to do cleanup | 18:04 |
| stevemar | i went ahead and marked a few bugs with rc1 target dates | 18:04 |
| stevemar | i find that easier than the tags | 18:04 |
| stevemar | i don't think any are show-stoppers, but a few would be nice to fix by end of week, then we can cut RC1 | 18:04 |
| stevemar | most are in progress, and can be viewed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=&title=Keystone+Office+Hours&patches+that+don%27t+have+negative+feedback+and+close+a+bug=project%3A%22%5Eopenstack%2F%40keystone%40%22+%2Dproject%3Aopenstack%2Fpuppet%2Dkeystone+is%3Aopen+label%3AVerified%2B1+%2Dlabel%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2B2%2Cself+%2Dlabel%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+%2Dlabel%3AVerified%2D1+%2Dlabel%3AWo | 18:06 |
| stevemar | rkflow%2D1+AND+%28message%3A%22Closes%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22closes%2D%22%29&bug+related+patches+that+don%27t+have+negative+feedback=project%3A%22%5Eopenstack%2F%40keystone%40%22+%2Dproject%3Aopenstack%2Fpuppet%2Dkeystone+is%3Aopen+label%3AVerified%2B1+%2Dlabel%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2B2%2Cself+%2Dlabel%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+%2Dlabel%3AVerified%2D1+%2Dlabel%3AWorkflow%2D1+AND+%28message%3A%22Closes%2D%22+OR+messag | 18:06 |
| stevemar | e%3A%22Partial%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22Related%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22closes%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22partial%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22related%2D%22%29&bug+related+patches+that+need+love=project%3A%22%5Eopenstack%2F%40keystone%40%22+%2Dproject%3Aopenstack%2Fpuppet%2Dkeystone+is%3Aopen+%2Dlabel%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2B2%2Cself+label%3ACode%2DReview%3C%3D%2D1+AND+%28message%3A%22Closes%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22Partial%2D%22+OR+me | 18:06 |
| stevemar | ssage%3A%22Related%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22closes%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22partial%2D%22+OR+message%3A%22related%2D%22%29 | 18:06 |
| bknudson | wow! | 18:06 |
| stevemar | well that didn't work | 18:06 |
| dstanek | whoa | 18:06 |
| morgan | stevemar: yeah that wont work. | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | I am copying and pasting the bits together | 18:06 |
| morgan | need a url shortener or something | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | wait | 18:06 |
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| samueldmq | :-) | 18:06 |
| stevemar | https://goo.gl/d7yp6B | 18:06 |
| stevemar | there we go | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:06 |
| rodrigods | haha | 18:06 |
| stevemar | saving it as a bookmark doesn't quite help :P | 18:07 |
| gyee | stevemar, would love to see this one added to the list, https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1557238 | 18:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1557238 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "mapping yield no valid identity result in HTTP 500 error" [High,New] | 18:07 |
| shaleh | I have been beating up on the "need love" section. The dates are all fairly recent. | 18:07 |
| stevemar | gyee: yep, that is a must fix | 18:07 |
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| gyee | stevemar, I am working on a fix | 18:07 |
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| stevemar | would also be nice to see bug 1526462 and bug 1555830 fixed too | 18:08 |
| openstack | bug 1526462 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Need support for OpenDirectory in LDAP driver" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1526462 - Assigned to Andrey Grebennikov (agrebennikov) | 18:08 |
| openstack | bug 1555830 in python-openstackclient "'service provider show' returns a service provider when queried with wrong sp_id" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1555830 - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | i'll be poking people for reviews and fixes this week | 18:08 |
| stevemar | looking forward to cutting rc1 | 18:08 |
| stevemar | any questions about rc1? any super important stuff we're not including? | 18:08 |
| shaleh | if Jamie will drop his request password in CLI review and Boris drops his two reviews all of the "need love" are now current as of 2016 | 18:09 |
| bknudson | the gate's not broken so I think we're doing good | 18:09 |
| shaleh | bknudson: ++ | 18:09 |
| stevemar | bknudson: your bar is low | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: when do you want to cut it? | 18:09 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: any time before friday evening :P | 18:09 |
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| topol | bknudson is soooo snarky :-) | 18:10 |
| stevemar | we could always cut rc2 next week | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:10 |
| stevemar | i think this week is march break for folks, so we might get impacted a bit | 18:10 |
| gyee | easy as cutting cheese | 18:10 |
| morgan | shaleh: password in cli? | 18:10 |
| bknudson | march break must be a canada thing | 18:11 |
| stevemar | bknudson: damn canucks | 18:11 |
| bknudson | it's march madness here | 18:11 |
| shaleh | morgan: yes, his patch which added the password prompt which you and I poo'ed on. | 18:11 |
| shaleh | morgan: it was never abandoned. | 18:11 |
| stevemar | shaleh: that's not keystone server side though | 18:11 |
| jamielennox | is that still open? | 18:11 |
| morgan | shaleh: oh the one i hit with a -2? ;) | 18:11 |
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| shaleh | jamielennox: yes | 18:11 |
| ayoung | spring break here. Which is dumb as it is technically still winter | 18:12 |
| shaleh | stevemar: it is on your list :-) | 18:12 |
| stevemar | shaleh: :O | 18:12 |
| stevemar | shaleh: must impact several projects then, doh | 18:12 |
| stevemar | anywho i'll be trying to close these out, help is appreciated :) | 18:13 |
| stevemar | next topic | 18:13 |
| stevemar | #topic Devstack keystone deploy | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: your're up | 18:13 |
| stevemar | bknudson: this work has been freaking awesome | 18:13 |
| bknudson | so I proposed a change to devstack to run keystone under uwsgi while apache proxies using mod_proxy_uwsgi | 18:13 |
| bknudson | we've got several deploy options now. | 18:14 |
| topol | bknudson that is very cool | 18:14 |
| bknudson | which I'd like to whittle down once we've seen that things are stable | 18:14 |
| bknudson | we'll get rid of eventlet in N | 18:14 |
| stevemar | we've got eventlet / apache / uwsgi / uwsgi_apache | 18:14 |
| gyee | bknudson, we have separate log files under uwsgi or that configurable? | 18:14 |
| bknudson | devstack has separate log file under uwsgi | 18:14 |
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| bknudson | logging is almost infinitely configurable so you could set up syslog if you want | 18:15 |
| gyee | like /var/log/apache2 | 18:15 |
| bknudson | ideally we'll eventually get to 1 server | 18:15 |
| gyee | or now I have to look for stuff in say /var/log/uwsgi or something | 18:15 |
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| stevemar | this is great because we can show operators that keystone can is tested and can be deployed many ways, and it's safe to remove eventlet | 18:15 |
| shaleh | bknudson: has that devstack change landed or do we still need to pull it? | 18:15 |
| edmondsw | I'd really like to see this go in: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1553216 | 18:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1553216 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "keystone-manage bootstrap does not work for non-SQL identity drivers" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Kristi Nikolla (knikolla) | 18:15 |
| stevemar | shaleh: most are landed | 18:15 |
| bknudson | shaleh: the devstack change has not landed | 18:16 |
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| ayoung | under uwsgi is there any SAML support? Can we test Federation in devstack? | 18:16 |
| bknudson | so comments now are welcome | 18:16 |
| stevemar | shaleh and others: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291817/ | 18:16 |
| bknudson | ayoung: under uwsgi there would not be SAML support | 18:16 |
| morgan | ayoung: you would still use apache | 18:16 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: but mod_proxy_uwsgi should work | 18:16 |
| morgan | ayoung: for saml, uwsgi replaces eventlet/mod_wsgi | 18:16 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: why would there be no saml support? | 18:16 |
| morgan | ayoung: what bknudson said | 18:16 |
| stevemar | ayoung: not when deployed only under uwsgi (which is a crummy stand alone web server anyway) | 18:17 |
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| bknudson | jamielennox: you need some kind of plugin to accept the saml. uwsgi doesn't have it | 18:17 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I just want the testability | 18:17 |
| morgan | nginx also could do saml now [it has a shib module] | 18:17 |
| stevemar | ayoung: it should be testable under the uwsgi_apache configuration | 18:17 |
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| shaleh | ayoung: try his patches and report success/fail :-) | 18:17 |
| ayoung | stevemar, fair enough | 18:17 |
| morgan | and uwsgi is natively supported by nginx | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: yes, but mod_proxy_uwsgi should forward envs to the uwsgi application | 18:17 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: right (I thought you were asking about uwsgi http) | 18:18 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i have confirmed this as far as doing SetEnvs in the apache config, but i don't have a real test yet | 18:18 |
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| bknudson | we've got a uwsgi http deployment too | 18:18 |
| jamielennox | oh, i just assumed we were talking behind apache because of $subject | 18:18 |
| bknudson | anyway, the plan would be to get rid of the uwsgi http deployment and do the proxy instead of that one | 18:18 |
| stevemar | yep | 18:19 |
| stevemar | nice work on that stuff bknudson | 18:19 |
| bknudson | and maybe we can even convince other api servers to work this way | 18:19 |
| stevemar | it provides me with the ammo i need to remove eventlet | 18:19 |
| shaleh | bknudson: once we show it works.... | 18:19 |
| bknudson | we've been running the uwsgi test for a while now and it seems stable | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | it's a good solution for the mod_wsgi virtualenv problem | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | for the people stuck on eventlet | 18:20 |
| bknudson | so I'll add a job for uwsgi-proxy once it's merged in devstack | 18:20 |
| shaleh | this is good work bknudson. I have been wanting to find time for this since I started hacking on keystone. | 18:20 |
| stevemar | bknudson: want to remove the regular uwsgi job? | 18:20 |
| gyee | shaleh, works as somebody running it in production :-) | 18:20 |
| bknudson | shaleh: take a look at the reviews and see if it's what you're were planning on | 18:20 |
| shaleh | gyee: yeah, or at least closer to it. | 18:20 |
| bknudson | stevemar: the regular uwsgi should go away once we've got uwsgi-proxy | 18:21 |
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| shaleh | bknudson: shall do. | 18:21 |
| stevemar | bknudson: alrighty | 18:21 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: so a problem i'm found is that the ubuntu 14.04 uwsg_proxy is really old and won't work with the one from pip | 18:21 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: really? worked for me. | 18:21 |
| stevemar | so if you're interested look up bknudson's reviews | 18:21 |
| bknudson | jamielennox: I noticed it was old and didn't support unix socket :( | 18:21 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: i pulled it down and it worked for me on 14.04 | 18:21 |
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| jamielennox | stevemar: intsalling from pip or apt? | 18:22 |
| jamielennox | apt has some 1.x version, and apache is too old for the unix socket thing | 18:22 |
| bknudson | uwsgi_proxy is from apt, uwsgi is from pip | 18:22 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: whatever bknudson's patch doe | 18:22 |
| stevemar | s | 18:22 |
| jamielennox | damn, i got super strange errors for that which i attributed to the difference | 18:22 |
| jamielennox | mine is running via emperor, rather than directly but that shouldn't matter | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | unix socket would be ideal but we can live with localhost until the distro is newer | 18:23 |
| morgan | bknudson: 14.04 supports the socket doesn't it? | 18:23 |
| bknudson | emperor seemed like overkill | 18:23 |
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| morgan | oh wait uwsgi_proxy is weird. | 18:23 |
| bknudson | morgan: I assume the socket connection has been there since the beginning | 18:23 |
| gyee | if you are doing proxying, why would you want to run on anything other than localhost? | 18:23 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: for devstack it is because you want things in screen, for ~prod emperor seems right | 18:24 |
| morgan | gyee: unix domain socket = better than localhost | 18:24 |
| morgan | for uwsgi/uwsgi_proxy | 18:24 |
| stevemar | getting a bit off topic, if you're having trouble with the patch we can talk about it in -keystone | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | #topic Keystone Client Functional tests -- samueldmq | 18:25 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: sir | 18:25 |
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| tsymanczyk | \o | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | hi | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | so, goal is to implement functional tests in ksclient | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | later on, this will serve to improve our backward compatibility for client libraries | 18:26 |
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| samueldmq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 18:26 |
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| samueldmq | we've got the base stuff merged, which basically instatiates the ksclient instances based on os-cloud-config | 18:26 |
| stevemar | looks like your changes are here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-keystoneclient+branch:master+topic:client-functional-tests | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | which looks for clouds.yaml and envvars | 18:27 |
| bknudson | are these tests in gate already? | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: yes, the changes we have now are in that topi | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | bknudson: yes, we do have a gate job for functioanl ksclient tests | 18:27 |
| stevemar | bknudson: there is a functional test job that does the existing tempest tests | 18:27 |
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| samueldmq | e.g look at patch 293048 | 18:27 |
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| samueldmq | and see gate-keystoneclient-dsvm-functional | 18:27 |
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| stevemar | the job does a dsvm setup | 18:28 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: the tests are run as admin right? | 18:28 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: afaik yes, that's the creds put in clouds.yaml | 18:28 |
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| rodrigods | samueldmq, stevemar the job itself gets the env vars | 18:28 |
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| bknudson | here's an example running the new tests -- http://logs.openstack.org/06/289306/7/check/gate-keystoneclient-dsvm-functional/b86148a/console.html#_2016-03-14_18_16_59_747 | 18:28 |
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| samueldmq | bknudson: ++ | 18:29 |
| rodrigods | https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/tests/functional/hooks/post_test_hook.sh#L33 | 18:29 |
| stevemar | so the benefit of this is testing real CRUD requests and responses | 18:29 |
| rodrigods | admin admin :) | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | rodrigods: nice, I haven't checked that yet | 18:29 |
| stevemar | and making sure the managers and client actually work properly | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: yes, from a client perspective VS testing the http api itself | 18:29 |
| rodrigods | stevemar, it is easier to test there | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | than having a devstack plugin and so on | 18:30 |
| stevemar | so this tests against the same setup every time | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | that's how i see it besides the client + API testing | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: and also as I noted above, there is an ongoing effort for having backwards compat for libraries and clients | 18:30 |
| stevemar | yep | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | in which case it's super useful | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | and anyone can run it by just providing a clouds.yaml or envvars | 18:31 |
| shaleh | samueldmq: so this is run via tempest? | 18:31 |
| rodrigods | shaleh, no | 18:31 |
| stevemar | shaleh: nope | 18:31 |
| bknudson | I guess it's not too important to support different deployments if it's for verifying that the client API works. | 18:31 |
| stevemar | tempest is read-only and black box | 18:31 |
| stevemar | bknudson: that's what i'm beginning to wonder | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | shaleh: and tempest has its own client, and its goal is to test the http api | 18:32 |
| stevemar | bknudson: cause on the server side, i always imagined different jobs setting up different keystone configurations and running functional tests there | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ours is to test the client | 18:32 |
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| rodrigods | stevemar, ++ | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | bknudson: maybe, but we also allow for other to run the tests | 18:32 |
| dstanek | stevemar: exactly. that's where the value is on the server | 18:32 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: but if we already have a suite of tests in ksc, why not add tests there | 18:33 |
| raildo | stevemar: like setting different tokens types :) | 18:33 |
| stevemar | anyway, details | 18:33 |
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| bknudson | good to have though. The unit tests are fine but they can only mock the server response and we've made mistakes there | 18:33 |
| rodrigods | ++ | 18:33 |
| stevemar | bknudson: for sure | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | hmm, so the question is, what does this buy us? | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | do real tests in the client, not just mocking | 18:33 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: testing without mock | 18:33 |
| dstanek | stevemar: we could do that. the only thing i care about on the server side is the profiles | 18:34 |
| samueldmq | yes what bknudson said | 18:34 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: profiles == different configurations? | 18:34 |
| shaleh | so does this mean a review of current unit tests to consider which are truly unit and which should really be functional? | 18:34 |
| bknudson | functional tests in keystone we will want to be able to run against any config | 18:34 |
| dstanek | stevemar: we initially made the decision to not write our functional tests using ksc so that we don't tie ourselves to it | 18:34 |
| dstanek | stevemar: yes | 18:34 |
| navidp | stevemar, | 18:35 |
| stevemar | navidp: | 18:35 |
| stevemar | :) | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | we could still ahve functional tests in keystone | 18:35 |
| navidp | stevemar, about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ I am getting tempest error because it is not using ksa, is there a way to make tempest to use it or get a ksa release. | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | to test against the real HTTP API | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | the client tests are for testing the client, not really into HTTP API details | 18:35 |
| stevemar | dstanek: fair enough | 18:36 |
| navidp | stevemar, the modifications i need is in this patch : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289472/ | 18:36 |
| dstanek | stevemar: i don't know if that's completely valid, but that's what we decided | 18:36 |
| stevemar | navidp: mind if i circle back to you in 25 minutes? i don't want to derail the meeting | 18:36 |
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| samueldmq | navidp: looks like it's better to discuss off-topic in #keystone or in the open-discussion topic taht will come later on ? | 18:37 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: i imagine we will talk about this at length at the summit | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | navidp: yes, what stevemar said, thank you | 18:37 |
| navidp | stevemar, ok thanks | 18:37 |
| stevemar | next topic | 18:37 |
| stevemar | #topic Revert change that removed the default domain creation -- stevemar | 18:37 |
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| navidp | stevemar, sorry | 18:37 |
| stevemar | navidp: np! | 18:37 |
| stevemar | i don't know about others, but i've seen quite a few questions surrounding this topic | 18:38 |
| stevemar | quite a few == 3 in one week | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | where folks are asking "wheres my default domain" | 18:38 |
| dstanek | stevemar: doesn't it get created on demand if it doesn't exist? | 18:38 |
| stevemar | i guess they are installing and using the ADMIN token, and going right to the user create portion | 18:38 |
| bknudson | we never guaranteed there'd be a default domain | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: it's a major change in behavior though -- guaranteed or not | 18:39 |
| stevemar | dstanek: not entirely... | 18:39 |
| gyee | dstanek, will create it when migrating v2 data | 18:39 |
| stevemar | dstanek: we made a change to include it in user/project show/list | 18:39 |
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| bknudson | it seems like all people use openstack for is deploying it | 18:40 |
| stevemar | lol | 18:40 |
| ayoung | so the error is that we are not creating it on demand in user create? | 18:40 |
| stevemar | ayoung: or project create | 18:40 |
| bknudson | currently it's only v2 operations that create on demand | 18:41 |
| stevemar | ayoung: we used to create it after the first migration ran | 18:41 |
| bknudson | I figured it was only backwards tools that would be affected | 18:41 |
| ayoung | Ony in v2 operations.... | 18:41 |
| bknudson | would be easy enough to create on demand for v3 ops, too. Although unfortunate. | 18:41 |
| bknudson | we could put out a deprecation message when created on demand | 18:41 |
| gyee | bknudon, how? | 18:42 |
| stevemar | bknudson: now you're thinking | 18:42 |
| gyee | are we going to create every missing domain on v3 operations? | 18:42 |
| stevemar | gyee: if we end up creating it, issue the message? | 18:42 |
| bknudson | no, only the default domain (it's in the config file) | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | gyee, no, only if it matches the default in the config file | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | where would you put that message? | 18:42 |
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| bknudson | the message goes to the keystone log | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | if you do it once in the admin log it will get lost | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | and you can't do it to the user | 18:43 |
| ayoung | means we will never be able to delete the default domain. | 18:43 |
| ayoung | It will just get recreated | 18:43 |
| bknudson | this is for deploy so hopefully they're checking the keystone log at the end of their deploy | 18:43 |
| gyee | that's dangerous | 18:43 |
| gyee | for v3 APIs, user or project creation requires a domain_id | 18:43 |
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| gyee | and if domain doesn't exist, they have to create it | 18:44 |
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| gyee | why make the exception for default domain? | 18:44 |
| stevemar | i'm okay with no making a decision here, we can always wait til next week, maybe we just need better docs | 18:44 |
| bknudson | gyee: the exception is for backwards-compat until we can convince people to not rely on default domain existing | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: maybe | 18:45 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: if they want to sue v3, then create the domain | 18:45 |
| gyee | exactly | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | default domain is only for v2 compatibility, as far as I understand it | 18:45 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: yep, then deploy instructions should be updated as such | 18:45 |
| gyee | v3 is a major version bump, not meant for backward compatibility | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | it is used for more stuff | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: 100% agree we should check the docs | 18:45 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: either create the default domain with ADMIN_TOKEN, or as part of bootstrap | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: if you're going to use v3 (and we wnat you to) | 18:46 |
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| stevemar | anywho, next topic | 18:46 |
| stevemar | #topic parent_id representation in Liberty vs Mitaka - rodrigods | 18:46 |
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| stevemar | my topic can wait, whats up rodrigods | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | ok... so in Liberty (and Kilo), the absence of parent was presented by parent_id = None, today it is represented by the domain_id (since the "root" is a project acting as domain) | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | so... this means that *probably*, the nested quota code is broken in Cinder | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285541/ | 18:47 |
| samueldmq | I though henrynash had worked with cinder to fix that | 18:48 |
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| samueldmq | rodrigods: is that the issue that previous top-lvel projects had parent_id = None and now they point to their domain (which is also a project)? | 18:48 |
| rodrigods | anyway... Cinder was just an example | 18:48 |
| stevemar | rodrigods: did cinder have full support for nested quotas in liberty? | 18:48 |
| rodrigods | samueldmq, yes | 18:48 |
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| raildo | stevemar: yes | 18:48 |
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| stevemar | guess we need to compare the parent_id to the domain_id then? | 18:49 |
| rodrigods | I can write a config in tempest to skip the tests in the stable tests | 18:49 |
| rodrigods | just want your opinion if this is ok, in a API stability point of view | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | henrynash told me Cinder had fixed that | 18:50 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: so this was a backward incompatible change? | 18:50 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, yes | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | at least that was a pre-requisite to merge reseller-1 | 18:50 |
| stevemar | henrynash is away this week, should be back tomorrow | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | because gate was failing | 18:50 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: yes, but reseller-1 couldn't merge without fixing it, anyways need to check with him | 18:50 |
| ayoung | raildo, you said this might impact Quota, right? | 18:50 |
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| dstanek | do we need to roll it back? | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | and we're going to get a test which shows that or not | 18:51 |
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| raildo | ayoung: yes, I'm not sure that will impact, I need to test it. | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | Let's gate on that | 18:51 |
| rodrigods | you can try to run https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285640/ | 18:51 |
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| rodrigods | you need to setup everything in devstack first | 18:51 |
| ayoung | if Cinder is OK with the change, we accept the new behavior. If Cinder breaks, we work with them to deal with it? | 18:51 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: that was a question I had ... if changing the content of an API was acceptable | 18:51 |
| rodrigods | didn't do that here yet, but since henrynash has fixed it | 18:52 |
| raildo | probably this patch it is what samueldmq are saying: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286775/ | 18:52 |
| rodrigods | we should be fine | 18:52 |
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| samueldmq | raildo: yes I think that's it | 18:52 |
| rodrigods | but yes, the API in Mitaka incompatible with Liberty/Kilo | 18:52 |
| dstanek | samueldmq: that's the thing. it may seem like just changing the value of a key, but we are changing the semantics of what the keys mean (at least that's what i get from the problem description) | 18:52 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: that's how i understand it | 18:53 |
| ayoung | dstanek, the question is if we ever documented it | 18:53 |
| ayoung | and, if we did, what did we commit to supporting | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: stevemar: I had that question when reviewing reseller-1, and I got convinced that this was acceptable somehow | 18:53 |
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| samueldmq | maybe we need to circle-back and re-analyze it | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | we need henrynash on this I think | 18:54 |
| ayoung | in this case, I would say that HMT is early enough that we can accept some wiggle room here | 18:54 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yep | 18:54 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: i think we're okay here, like ayoung said it's early | 18:54 |
| rodrigods | great | 18:54 |
| stevemar | #topic open discussion | 18:55 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: okay, just saying it sounded weird to me too, to change the return (the body) of an API | 18:55 |
| dstanek | is HMT declared to be experimental? | 18:55 |
| ayoung | raildo, can you own not only the test, but confirming with all quota folks that the issue is real or not? | 18:55 |
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| rodrigods | dstanek, it is not | 18:55 |
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| rodrigods | was not too | 18:55 |
| raildo | ayoung: sure, I'll do this, asap | 18:55 |
| ayoung | stevemar, so, the Rabbit MQ deployment setup sucks. | 18:55 |
| ayoung | This is not strictly a Keystone issue | 18:55 |
| stevemar | ayoung: what's so sucky about it? | 18:55 |
| ayoung | but, it does mean that, say, audit events could be faked | 18:55 |
| stevemar | mfisch also didn't like rabbit | 18:56 |
| ayoung | stevemar, its not rabbit so much as what we don't do | 18:56 |
| ayoung | everything runs as a single user, single password | 18:56 |
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| dstanek | rodrigods: should it be so that we can make breaking changes like this? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | Its not really our problem to solve, except maybe to look into how we could fix things from the Keystone side | 18:57 |
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| rodrigods | dstanek, never was marked as experimental, but we never had HMT tests in tempest so... | 18:57 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i'm not following you completely... but it doesn't sound good | 18:57 |
| ayoung | there are config options for changing things, like where to publish notifications | 18:57 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, i mean, never had any tests to alarm this | 18:57 |
| rodrigods | in gate | 18:57 |
| ayoung | stevemar, so, it is not good, but it is a deployers problem. | 18:58 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: sure, but what i'm saying is that since this is an experimental feature, we should label it as experimental | 18:58 |
| ayoung | I have not run devstack in a while, but if what I am seeing is that everyone is following devstack's approach, then messaging is a very insecure | 18:58 |
| bknudson | hard to be experimental when you change the project response | 18:58 |
| ayoung | stevemar, here's the crux | 18:59 |
| stevemar | ayoung: you are probably seeing what everyone else is, so yeah, probably insecure | 18:59 |
| ayoung | we really need to be able to identify all of the readers and writers in an openstack deployment | 18:59 |
| stevemar | you can change the topic very easily | 18:59 |
| ayoung | and this is an identity problem | 18:59 |
| gyee | ayoung, we never said devstack is secured :-) | 18:59 |
| ayoung | which is basically a keystone bailywick | 18:59 |
| stevemar | <1 minute to go | 19:00 |
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| stevemar | damn | 19:00 |
| bknudson | tokens for messages, too | 19:00 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 19:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-15-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-15-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-15-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:00 |
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| pabelanger | p/ | 19:00 |
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| pabelanger | fail | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
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| olaph | form of: gelatin desert! | 19:00 |
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| stevemar | i've assembled | 19:01 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 19:01 |
| Zara | pabelanger: oh, I thought that was a special unique wave, since your name starts with 'p' | 19:01 |
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| jeblair | hi | 19:01 |
| fungi | everyone needs a personalized wave | 19:01 |
| clarkb | ohai, I am actually not really here due to unexpected series of evemts that demand my attention | 19:01 |
| anteaya | clarkb: hope the family is okay | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | clarkb: you do a remarkable imitation of the real clarkb | 19:01 |
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| tristanC | hello! | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | everyone is well, just have to get some stuff done and it is time sensitive | 19:01 |
| jeblair | fungi: perhaps the unexpected events involve multiple clarkbs | 19:01 |
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| fungi | woah! | 19:02 |
| eil397 | hi | 19:02 |
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| AJaeger | o/ | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | Zara: yes, that is true | 19:02 |
| fungi | topics with names include: pabelanger, AJaeger, anteaya, timothyb89 | 19:02 |
| anteaya | I'm here | 19:02 |
| fungi | also a spec here from jhesketh and tonyb | 19:02 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:02 |
| anteaya | clarkb: ah okay good | 19:02 |
| fungi | and action items for jeblair and yolanda | 19:03 |
| piet | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | let's get rolling | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| tonyb | o/ | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 19:03:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| craige | O/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | pleia2 is awesome and started this for us: | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-newton-summit-planning Newton Summit Planning | 19:03 |
| fungi | some people have already begun brainstorming ideas but we should get rolling on this and have some decisions in next week's meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | it sounds like we'll get at least the space requested (4 workrooms, 3 fishbowls, a day of possibly shared sprint) but there may be more available if we know _very_ soon so i can still request it | 19:03 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #info Please add Infra team summit session ideas to the Etherpad | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| Clint | o/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | we have a couple! | 19:04 |
| fungi | jeblair Give the TC a heads up on "Create elections.openstack.org" spec | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-08-20.01.log.html#l-93 | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | i did it! | 19:04 |
| fungi | looks like that happened, they discussed it some and weighed in with positivity | 19:04 |
| fungi | we have a moment to discuss this further down in the specs approval | 19:05 |
| fungi | yolanda Boot a replacement review.openstack.org and communicate the new IP address and maintenance window in an announcement E-mail | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088985.html | 19:05 |
| yolanda | it's done | 19:05 |
| fungi | that too happened | 19:05 |
| fungi | yes | 19:05 |
| fungi | thank you both! we're back to a starting count of 0 action items! | 19:05 |
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| fungi | yolanda: also not sure if you saw, but the extra gerritbot is probably on that server and should be shut down if you get a chance | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:06 |
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| yolanda | i already stopped it | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/287577 PROPOSED: Create elections.openstack.org | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/292666 Amendment to elections spec to use governance.openstack.org instead | 19:06 |
| fungi | tonyb: jhesketh: these seem ready to go for a council vote now? | 19:07 |
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| tonyb | fungi: I believe so | 19:07 |
| fungi | jeblair: the tc seemed generally approving of having this grafted into a subtree of the governance site? | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | fungi: that was my interpretation of the meeting and review feedback | 19:07 |
| jeblair | so i'm happy to see both of those go to voting together | 19:07 |
| fungi | #info Voting is open on the "Create elections.openstack.org" spec and "Publish election data to governance.o.o" update for it until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, March 17 | 19:08 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| fungi | looks like we don't have any urgent priority effort updates this week so i'll skip this and see how many of the general topics we can get through | 19:09 |
| fungi | #topic Upgrade servers from ubuntu precise to ubuntu trusty (pabelanger) | 19:09 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i'd appreciate more reviews to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239810/ | 19:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | related to puppet-openstackci priority effort | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | ohai | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | So, we still have servers running precise, and I figure I can offer my service to upgrade them to trusty | 19:10 |
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| pabelanger | this is mostly for some bindep stuff | 19:10 |
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| pabelanger | but also prep for 16.04 | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | for the most part they are 3 servers atm | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:trusty-upgrades Review topic for server upgrades to Ubuntu Trusty | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | any low hanging fruit | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | I figure puppetdb.o.o could be the first one | 19:10 |
| jeblair | is there something applying pressure for us to do so? | 19:10 |
| fungi | yeah, one caught us by unfortunate surprise this morning | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | with the other 2 lists.o.o and cacti.o.o requiring migration discussion | 19:11 |
| fungi | that is, we were unknowingly validating our zuul configuration on trusty while running zuul in produciton on precise | 19:11 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: no, it just came up when talking with fungi about bindep stuff for ubuntu precise | 19:11 |
| pabelanger | so we could remove bare-precise | 19:11 |
| fungi | i know the openstackid-resources api split is also applying pressure to get openstackid-dev.o.o and openstackid.org upgraded from precise to trusty so that they can run a consistent framework with what the openstackid-resources.o.o server will need | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | do we still need precise nodes for stable branches? | 19:12 |
| fungi | but yeah, right now our options for testing precise are basically either to only do that in rackspace or to make a precise ubuntu-minimal work for dib imagery | 19:12 |
| fungi | precise hasn't been needed for stable testing since icehouse went eol almost a year ago | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | ok, so we're the last users? | 19:13 |
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| fungi | that we are | 19:13 |
| pabelanger | Yup | 19:13 |
| jeblair | that seems reason enough | 19:13 |
| jeblair | i am now sufficiently motivated | 19:13 |
| pabelanger | So, the changes up are minimal puppet changes | 19:13 |
| pabelanger | where puppetdb we could afford to lose data | 19:14 |
| pabelanger | but lists and cacti we might need to migrate | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: agreed (except s/might//) | 19:14 |
| pabelanger | fungi: suggested moving the data to cinder to help transfer it between server | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | not a bad idea | 19:14 |
| fungi | right, i was thinking cinder first, then move to new servers for those | 19:15 |
| fungi | cinder and trove make upgrades like this a lot faster | 19:15 |
| fungi | cacti is less of a problem in that a longish downtime is not critical | 19:15 |
| jeblair | do we use trove with cacti? | 19:15 |
| fungi | i don't recall if cacti needs mysql at all | 19:16 |
| jeblair | lists only has data in the filesystem; cacti has mysql and filesystem data | 19:16 |
| pabelanger | need to check | 19:16 |
| amrith | did someone say trove ;) | 19:16 |
| fungi | ahh, so yeah may also want to trove the cacti server if so | 19:16 |
| jeblair | there is a mysqld running on cacti | 19:16 |
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| jeblair | i think that should be doable | 19:17 |
| fungi | but anyway, lengthy migration for cacti is not a serious problem. extended mailman outages on the other hand will be painful for the community | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | okay, I can look into that and get puppet code up | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | puppetdb should be easy to test, stand up new one, validate reports post, then update dns | 19:17 |
| fungi | so at least putting mailman's persistent data on cinder would be awesome for keeping the cut-over shorter | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | suspend / delete old instance | 19:18 |
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| fungi | anything else on this topic? | 19:18 |
| craige | phabricator.o.o would be a great test target too | 19:18 |
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| pabelanger | nothing now, I'll follow up offline | 19:18 |
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| * craige would appreciate that :-) | 19:18 | |
| pabelanger | craige: Yup, we should aim for trusty for that too | 19:18 |
| fungi | yeah, we have a lot of low-hanging fruit servers for this. a quick read of the global site manifest's testing platform comments will reveal which ones hopefully, or puppetboard facts view | 19:19 |
| craige | It's required. | 19:19 |
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| fungi | thanks pabelanger! i think this is a worthwhile effort and am looking forward to it | 19:19 |
| craige | and a blocker to going live. | 19:19 |
| pabelanger | fungi: np | 19:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | fungi, pabelanger: i don't mind taking some of them, i'd need a root to make the vm spin tho | 19:19 |
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| fungi | rcarrillocruz: yep, we'll make sure there's at least one infra-root on hand for these as a shepherd. we can divide them up as needed | 19:20 |
| fungi | #topic Constraints - next steps? (AJaeger) | 19:20 |
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| AJaeger | We have constraints enabled in gate and periodic jobs but not post and release jobs. To enable it everywhere, we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271585/ to enhance zuul-cloner. Thanks jesaurus for working on this. | 19:21 |
| AJaeger | I'm unhappy that the constraints changes did not finish so far and wanted to discuss next steps. Should we push this for Mitaka and have the projects that currently support constraints (at least cinder, glance, some neutron ones) full support? My preference is to declare this is a Newton target and get zuul-cloner enabled but do further work - including proper announcements - only for Newton. | 19:21 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/271585 Let zuul-cloner work in post and release pipelines | 19:21 |
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| AJaeger | So, what are your thoughts on direction here for Mitaka and Newton? | 19:21 |
| anteaya | I still find contraints confusing and have no thoughts to offer to this conversation | 19:23 |
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| AJaeger | Basically what needs to be done to finish this AFAIU: 1) Get 271585 pass the testsuite (too large logs); 2) Update post/release jobs; 3) Document setup and announce it so that projects can update their tox.ini files. | 19:23 |
| fungi | it does look like jesusaur is still working on it | 19:24 |
| AJaeger | We could also make the current setup a bit more robust - so projects enabled it and use same environment (working fine) in gate but then had no tarballs (post queue). | 19:24 |
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| fungi | jesusaur: do you need additional assistance debugging the job failures on 271585? | 19:25 |
| AJaeger | AFAIU jesusaur has it testing locally, it fails in our gate due too large logs | 19:25 |
| fungi | that seems like an odd reason for a job to fail | 19:25 |
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| AJaeger | that's what I remember from some #openstack-infra discussion but I might have misread | 19:26 |
| fungi | #link http://logs.openstack.org/85/271585/5/check/gate-zuul-python27/75de99c/console.html.gz#_2016-03-10_20_52_55_179 testrepository.subunit was > 50 MB of uncompressed data!!! | 19:26 |
| jeblair | !!! | 19:26 |
| openstack | jeblair: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 19:26 |
| AJaeger | fungi, your incredible! | 19:26 |
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| fungi | yeah, it's a remarkably emphatic error message | 19:27 |
| AJaeger | Hearing the enthusiasm ;) here, I suggest to declare it a Newton target... | 19:27 |
| fungi | so i guess the questions this raises are, 1. is the subunit output from zuul's unit tests too verbose or possibly full of junk? 2. is 50mb uncompressed a sane cap for subunit data? | 19:28 |
| jeblair | they are certainly too verbose except in the case of a test failure :( | 19:28 |
| fungi | if someone gets time, a git blame on that to find why the check for uncompressed subunit data size was introduced would be handy as a data point (e.g., was it for keeping the subunit2sql database sane?) | 19:29 |
| jesusaur | fungi: the tests pass locally for the change, but they fail in the check pipeline due to either the size of the resulting subunit file or they hit an alarm and time out | 19:29 |
| jeblair | fungi: istr it was actuall just for uploading to the logserver | 19:29 |
| mordred | o hai | 19:29 |
| jeblair | i think it's probably an appropriate limit for 'unit tests'. | 19:30 |
| jeblair | but not so much for zuul's functional "unit" tests | 19:30 |
| fungi | granted, many of even our oldest projects' "unit" tests are more "functional" testing (i'm looking at you, oh great and venerable nova, performing database interactions) | 19:30 |
| jeblair | yeah, but zuul starts and reconfigures several hundred times during its tests | 19:31 |
| jeblair | there's a lot of startup boilerplate in there, along with full gearman debug logs | 19:31 |
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| fungi | AJaeger: mitaka integrated rc is already nearly upon us, it does seem like newton will be when we have constraints more widely in use for things besides devstack-based jobs | 19:32 |
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| jeblair | i'm not sure what to do about the subunit cap. i definitely need the logging information locally, and i need it in the gate when we get those occasional 'only fails in the gate' bugs. | 19:32 |
| AJaeger | fungi, yes. | 19:33 |
| jeblair | i don't need it in the gate on tests that pass | 19:33 |
| jeblair | (though i do need it locally on tests that pass) | 19:33 |
| fungi | AJaeger: and i also agree that declaring open season on constraints integration in tox configs opens us up to a potential risk of breaking things like tarball jobs (as already seen on at least one project recently) | 19:33 |
| bkero | compress it, offer it up in the finished build artifacts? | 19:33 |
| fungi | bkero: we already do | 19:33 |
| jeblair | so i wonder if we could prune the logs from tests that pass. i have no idea if/how that would be possible with testr | 19:34 |
| fungi | bkero: however the job checks the raw uncompressed size and complains, then fails on that, with the current implementation | 19:34 |
| AJaeger | fungi, so for Mitaka: Projects can use it but we advise against it - or if they do ask them to triple check ;) | 19:34 |
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| fungi | AJaeger: yes, i think it's still mostly experimental until we can let them use it on more than just check/gate type jobs | 19:34 |
| bkero | Oh, that seems incorrect O_o | 19:34 |
| jeblair | bkero: what seems incorrect? | 19:35 |
| AJaeger | but we can't control it anyway, they just change their tox.ini without us | 19:35 |
| bkero | jeblair: compressing data, but checking uncompressed size | 19:35 |
| fungi | AJaeger: agreed, but we can tell them that when it breaks they get to keep both pieces | 19:35 |
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| AJaeger | fungi ;) | 19:35 |
| jeblair | bkero: if you check the compressed size, then it's not a check about how much output was produced, it's a check on how well the compression algorithm performed | 19:35 |
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| fungi | granted, if your concern is how much storage you're using for your compressed logs, then checking compressed size does make more sense (which is why i suggested looking into the reason the check was introduced) | 19:36 |
| bkero | Yep, that's true. I don't know the context of what this check limitation is supposed to do. Not constrain resources, or check for discrepancies in the run | 19:37 |
| jeblair | occasionally projects would output insane amounts of data into their subunit logs, this was to catch those occurences. it's working. zuul outputs an insane amount of data. i find it useful. | 19:37 |
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| fungi | without better history of why we started checking that, i'm hesitant to suggest blindly altering it | 19:37 |
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| jesusaur | could we reduce the logging level of some of the modules, but keep DEBUG for zuul.* ? | 19:37 |
| jeblair | jesusaur: i think the bulk of the data are zuul debug lines | 19:38 |
| jeblair | jesusaur: gear.* might be significant | 19:38 |
| jesusaur | I think gear is also a contender for that top spot | 19:38 |
| fungi | are your primary concerns on this topic answered, AJaeger? | 19:39 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, yes | 19:39 |
| jeblair | jesusaur: heh, yeah, gear might exceed zuul | 19:40 |
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| fungi | we can probably move zuul test log improvements to a review, ml thread or #openstack-infra | 19:40 |
| jeblair | well, what would be useful... | 19:40 |
| AJaeger | thanks, fungi. we can move on. Unless you want to log that constraints are experimental besides devstack | 19:40 |
| fungi | unless anyone is finding it useful to continue brainstorming that in the meeting | 19:40 |
| jeblair | is to have someone who understands testrepository willing to pitch in | 19:40 |
| fungi | #agreed Constraints via zuul-cloner for jobs outside check and gate type pipelines is not currently supported, and general use of constraints in tox should be implemented with care to avoid risk to other non-constraints-using tox jobs until support is fully implemented | 19:42 |
| fungi | anyone disagree with tat? i can #undo and rework if needed | 19:42 |
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| anteaya | I do not disagree | 19:42 |
| fungi | otherwise we still have a couple more topics to fill the remaining 15 minutes | 19:43 |
| AJaeger | nicely formulated, fungi. +1 | 19:43 |
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| fungi | #topic Operating System Upgrades (anteaya) | 19:43 |
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| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-operating-system-upgrades | 19:43 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-operating-system-upgrades precise -> trusty -> xenial | 19:43 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 19:43 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:43 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0xac5ccd0> | 19:44 |
| anteaya | so this came up last meeting and this meeting already | 19:44 |
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| anteaya | this is mostly a place to track what operating systems we are running and what we want to upgrade | 19:44 |
| fungi | this does seem like an extension of pabelanger's earlier topic | 19:44 |
| anteaya | we have identified during pabelanger item | 19:44 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:44 |
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| fungi | though including the forward-looking plans for ubuntu 16.04 | 19:44 |
| anteaya | that precise servers are readyg to move to trusty | 19:45 |
| anteaya | yes | 19:45 |
| anteaya | also dib capabilities | 19:45 |
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| anteaya | and what nodes have available | 19:45 |
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| pabelanger | Agreed. I think getting trusty is a good base for xenial | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | and don't mind helping anteaya where possible | 19:45 |
| anteaya | so I don't personally have anything to offer here, other than the etherpad | 19:45 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: thanks | 19:45 |
| anteaya | mostly trying to track decisions and statsu | 19:45 |
| anteaya | I felt I was less effective that I could ahve been helping AJaeger with bare-trusty to ubuntu-trusty | 19:46 |
| fungi | having xenial for use in jobs is a definite first step. upgrading our servers from trusty to xenial (or from precise to xenial) should wait for at least a few months according to opinions expressed in earlier meetings | 19:46 |
| anteaya | mostly becauase I didnt' understand the large picutre or status | 19:46 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes | 19:46 |
| * AJaeger is gratefull for everybody's help with that conversion | 19:46 | |
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| anteaya | also clarkb has an item in the summit plannnig etherpad on operating systems | 19:46 |
| anteaya | so its a topic we are talking about | 19:47 |
| anteaya | would mostly like to aggregate if we can | 19:47 |
| fungi | and also, yes, having _one_ image for jobs running on trusty provides us with an easier starting point for the coming trusty->xenial support mogration in our jobs | 19:47 |
| fungi | er, migration | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | the etherpad notes puppet 384 in xenial... | 19:47 |
| anteaya | and if we don't like this etherpad, that is fine, as long as we have something | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | do we want to switch to distro packages for puppet? | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | or keep using puppetlabs? | 19:48 |
| anteaya | jeblair: I got that from pabelanger's comment from last weeks meeting | 19:48 |
| fungi | part of the complexity in the precise->trusty job migration across different branches was complicated by having several precise images (bare, devstack, py3k/pypy) and a couple of trusty images (bare, devstack) | 19:48 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: anteaya: Ya, I was surprised to see xenial still using puppet 3.x | 19:48 |
| fungi | so there was an element of many<->many mapping | 19:49 |
| pabelanger | I'll defer to nibalizer and crinkle for version to use on ubuntu | 19:49 |
| crinkle | use latest 3.x from apt.puppetlabs.com until we're ready to migrate to 4 | 19:49 |
| anteaya | crinkle: can you add that to the etherpad? | 19:49 |
| fungi | i'm pretty sure we're going to want to use puppetlabs packages for at least as long as we're puppeting multiple distros in production, so that we don't have to deal with keeping everything sane across multiple simultaneous puppet versions | 19:49 |
| jeblair | i think one of the advantages of using puppetlabs is that we can actually migrate os versions | 19:49 |
| anteaya | as your recommendation? | 19:50 |
| jeblair | fungi: right, that. | 19:50 |
| nibalizer | yep | 19:50 |
| crinkle | anteaya: sure | 19:50 |
| anteaya | crinkle: thanks | 19:50 |
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| AJaeger | regarding puppet 4: We'Re not testing Infra puppet scripts for puppet 4 - should we start that? | 19:50 |
| pabelanger | AJaeger: no, we are. Fedora-23 | 19:50 |
| AJaeger | pabelanger: ah... | 19:50 |
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| pabelanger | so we get some coverage | 19:50 |
| AJaeger | great | 19:50 |
| nibalizer | AJaeger: there is a spec for that sorta | 19:50 |
| nibalizer | i think its more about getting linting working | 19:51 |
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| pabelanger | AJaeger: and part of the reason we missed fedora-22 in the gate | 19:51 |
| nibalizer | pabelanger: f23 doesnt test the majority of our codr | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | nibalizer: right, but we could start to with puppet apply if needed | 19:51 |
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| nibalizer | we should get a nonvoting puppet four trusty apply test | 19:52 |
| fungi | so as for anteaya's etherpad, i think that makes a fine place to coordinate an overview of what changes are migrating what servers from precise to trusty. the trusty to xenial migration for servers is still a ways out and we may find new things we want/need to plan for on the road to xenial anyway | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | puppet openstack team does some good testing around using straight gems, if we wanted to do that too | 19:53 |
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| anteaya | fungi: great thank you | 19:53 |
| fungi | we still have a few more minutes to get to the final topic on the agenda | 19:53 |
| fungi | if this is mostly addressed | 19:53 |
| anteaya | also in that etherpad mordred has made some notes about dib and xenial | 19:53 |
| anteaya | yup, let's move on, thank you | 19:53 |
| fungi | #topic StackViz deployment spec (timothyb89) | 19:54 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/287373 | 19:54 |
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| timothyb89 | right, so we're looking for preliminary feedback on the spec, particularly the change proposal and our build method | 19:54 |
| timothyb89 | we've had some alternative methods suggested, so we'd like to know if there can be a consensus on the method in the spec (DIB) vs puppet vs something else | 19:54 |
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| fungi | reviewers so far who provided feedback on that spec seem to have been AJaeger and pabelanger | 19:55 |
| pabelanger | I left comments about puppet, but haven't heard anybody else have an opinion | 19:56 |
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| fungi | so the question is between adding puppetry to install stackviz and its dependencies, and pre-seed its data, vs using a dib element? | 19:56 |
| timothyb89 | fungi: yes, exactly | 19:56 |
| fungi | it's true that we do similar things both ways currently | 19:57 |
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| fungi | one long-term vision is to continue reducing the amoun of puppet we apply to our base images, in hopes of maybe eventually being able to not have to preinstall puppet on them at all | 19:57 |
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| fungi | our reliance on puppet for our image builds is already pretty minor these days | 19:58 |
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| fungi | we have a lot of orchestration being done in dib elements themselves, by nodepool ready scripts, and at job runtime | 19:59 |
| fungi | anyway, i guess people with a vested interest in seeing how this is done, please follow up on the spec | 19:59 |
| pabelanger | my only real concern, is if we use dib elements, we are looking gate testing of stackviz | 19:59 |
| fungi | we're basically out of meeting time for this week | 19:59 |
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| fungi | thanks everybody! time to make way for the tc | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 20:00:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-15-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-15-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-15-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:00 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:00 |
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| thingee | o/ | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:00 |
| * gothicmindfood lurks | 20:00 | |
| ttx | russellb, annegentle, lifeless, mordred, markmcclain, jeblair, jaypipes: around ? | 20:00 |
| jeblair | howdy | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 15 20:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 20:00 |
| russellb | hi | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Hellllooo everyone! | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
| flaper87 | yoooooooooo | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| jaypipes | I is here. | 20:01 |
| ttx | #topic Extra ATCs | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Extra ATCs (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:01 | |
| ttx | We have a couple extra ATCs requests to rubberstamp. | 20:01 |
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| ttx | NB: the governance repo was tagged for elections last week though, so those won't vote in upcoming elections | 20:01 |
| ttx | unless we start doing very funny things | 20:02 |
| ttx | * Adding Horizon extra-atc (https://review.openstack.org/290188) | 20:02 |
| fungi | i'm not in favor of doing funny things with the election | 20:02 |
| ttx | that one has enough to pass, will approve now | 20:02 |
| ttx | * Add dencaval to extra-atcs for Manila (https://review.openstack.org/289408) | 20:02 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:02 |
| fungi | already doing final testing on our roll generation tooling based on the existing tag | 20:02 |
| ttx | this one is missing one | 20:02 |
| annegentle | was there a deadline missed for dencaval to need extra atc? | 20:03 |
| annegentle | I don't see a need for it but maybe someone can explain | 20:03 |
| ttx | annegentle: start of PTL nomination period | 20:03 |
| annegentle | ttx: ah for elections then? | 20:03 |
| bswartz | annegentle: I thought he deserved voting rights in Manila, as well as docs | 20:03 |
| russellb | annegentle: just commented | 20:03 |
| ttx | annegentle: that is when we tag the governance repo and start generating rolls | 20:03 |
| annegentle | I'm on spring break but popped in for this | 20:03 |
| annegentle | thanks russellb | 20:03 |
| anteaya | annegentle: dencaval has atc for docs, bswartz just wanted him in manilla too | 20:03 |
| annegentle | needed to understand | 20:03 |
| russellb | annegentle: it's voting rights in manila as well | 20:03 |
| annegentle | got it | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | bswartz : I think ttx and fungi just said it would be too late for this election anyway? | 20:03 |
| ttx | that will be valid for the next | 20:04 |
| bswartz | yes that's my fault | 20:04 |
| russellb | still reasonable for next time around | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | voting rights last two cycles | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | ok, just making sure that's clear | 20:04 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 20:04 |
| bswartz | I've already conveyed my apologies | 20:04 |
| ttx | alright both approved | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | thanks | 20:04 |
| ttx | #topic Update Kuryr mission statement | 20:04 |
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| fungi | it will come into effect for ocata elections and summit passes for barcelona | 20:04 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:04 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/289993 | 20:04 |
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| ttx | So this is about extending the bridging mission of Kuryr to also include storage features | 20:05 |
| ttx | It's a significant change but I think it makes sense | 20:05 |
| russellb | I still don't get it | 20:05 |
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| russellb | these are really high level use cases, but it's not clear what actual code is to be written | 20:05 |
| russellb | and where that code plugs into the overall system | 20:06 |
| ttx | russellb: I'm not 100% sure what they will end up needing doing, yes | 20:06 |
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| ttx | since for example Kubernetes has a cinder plugin | 20:06 |
| russellb | i'd expect a bit more confidence in specific deliverables than this | 20:06 |
| mestery | The bit about persistent storage for containers sounds interesting, though not conrete | 20:06 |
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| ttx | but they seem convinced there are interesting things to do, and I'm fine with them exploring | 20:06 |
| mestery | *concrete | 20:06 |
| ttx | now if only Gerrit would ah. | 20:07 |
| mestery | ttx: +1, to me I'm ok with it as well | 20:07 |
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| russellb | ok, well recorded my -1 fwiw. i'd rather just not rubber stamp these things | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | I think it's fine to wait a bit longer and have a more specific mission statement | 20:08 |
| ttx | russellb: I'm fine delying until we can get better answers from Gal | 20:08 |
| mestery | russellb: Agree | 20:08 |
| ttx | I raised the fuzziness first after all | 20:08 |
| russellb | ttx: right | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | I'd be ok with that, too. | 20:08 |
| mestery | russellb: I meant, I agree with not rubber stamping | 20:08 |
| lifeless | ttx: o/ | 20:08 |
| jeblair | yeah, the answers so far are almost as broad as the proposed mission statement | 20:08 |
| mestery | I'd be fine waiting a bit more, but I'm also ok trusting the team to move forward here and explore a bit | 20:09 |
| jeblair | and i'm struggling with making it concrete -- | 20:09 |
| russellb | don't need to update mission statement to explore | 20:09 |
| ttx | russellb: can you take the action to reach out and get a cleaner explanation, or even (gasp) a ML thread about it ? | 20:09 |
| russellb | i've tried in gerrit | 20:09 |
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| mestery | russellb: Fair point | 20:09 |
| ttx | russellb: I think it warrants a ML thread to be fair | 20:09 |
| russellb | ok | 20:09 |
| russellb | i can do that | 20:09 |
| ttx | if only so that the rest of the community sees it better | 20:09 |
| jaypipes | "Kuryr is the glue between the container world and OpenStack APIs"? | 20:09 |
| ttx | jaypipes: basically, no need to create glue if storage does not need glue | 20:10 |
| jaypipes | ttx: docker has a Cinder plugin? | 20:10 |
| russellb | the network case was clear, there are very clear plugin interfaces | 20:10 |
| russellb | i just want to know the equivalent for storage that they are targeting here | 20:10 |
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| russellb | because without that, it's not clear to me that openstack should have a project for it | 20:11 |
| ttx | jaypipes: no but (1) k8s has, and (2) that might point to the possibility of adding it in Docker rather than OpenStack | 20:11 |
| russellb | vs working upstream in container thingy projects | 20:11 |
| ttx | hence more precision needed | 20:11 |
| jaypipes | ttx: fair enough points. | 20:11 |
| ttx | I'm not saying no (I actually still am a YEs on the proposal) but I agree with Russell this could use more clarity on the goals | 20:12 |
| russellb | yep, and i'm not upset if i'm overridden really :) | 20:12 |
| annegentle | I'm happy with the use case getting more discussion so we all understand more | 20:12 |
| russellb | but "does this actually make sense" is a good question to ask :) | 20:12 |
| ttx | Also it sounds like extending a team mission should at the very minimum cause a ML thread, if only to attract more contributors | 20:12 |
| annegentle | russellb: yah | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | I'm ok with waiting. More clarification is good and if the mission statement change is required then we better get it right otherwise it'll be upated again next cycle | 20:12 |
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| ttx | #info waiting one more week for extra precision | 20:13 |
| ttx | #action russellb to follow up in a ML thread | 20:13 |
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| ttx | #topic Add a resolution for PTL Leave of Absence | 20:14 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/290141 | 20:14 |
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| ttx | anteaya posted a resolution to clarify TC communication expectations on PTLs leaves of absence | 20:14 |
| * annegentle admits she hasn't read it yet | 20:14 | |
| ttx | The preferred option is of course public communication, but there are some cases where the PTL would rather not go public with the details, so there are backup solutions as well | 20:14 |
| ttx | There was some opposition to the resolution, mostly about the "communicate to the TC" part if I read the comments correctly | 20:14 |
| ttx | I think that's partly a misunderstanding on what the resolution is trying to achieve -- this is not about the PTLs communication duties toward their teams | 20:15 |
| russellb | i'd rather assume PTLs use good judgement and work this out within their teams | 20:15 |
| ttx | It's about clarifying the official projects PTLs communication duties toward the TC | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | yeah, the issue is all of the interface points outside of a team that also need to know about these changes | 20:15 |
| ttx | I think we can further document the PTLs communication duties toward their teams, but I see that as belonging in the Project Team Guide rather than governance | 20:15 |
| russellb | feels like massive overkill in policy | 20:15 |
| dtroyer | can we clarify the requirements/desires without specifying implementation? | 20:15 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | russellb : "Please tell folks if you're going to be gone for a long time and you lead a project" is overkill? | 20:16 |
| russellb | i don't think we need a resolution for it | 20:16 |
| lifeless | Ubuntu has a code of leadership which speaks to this | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | russellb : so how do we address it? | 20:16 |
| lifeless | I think the current proposal is overly proscriptive | 20:16 |
| sdague | we kind of already had the "step down gracefully" clause buried somewhere | 20:16 |
| dtroyer | I see two things to think about: 1) elected leaders have a responsibility to those who elected them | 20:16 |
| ttx | We could just document it on the Project Team Guide. But I don't think a resolution is overkill either. | 20:16 |
| lifeless | I'd support something that just highlights the required outcome | 20:17 |
| annegentle | My initial sense is that what you really want to have a policy for is PTL disappearence/non-communication. Also consider the case where a PTL is pregnant (hey, it can happen), would she need to not run in the time period? | 20:17 |
| lifeless | which is that folk don't go awol | 20:17 |
| anteaya | sdague: that is the smooth tranistions expectation, but I don't know if this was a transisiton or not, hence the desire for more facts | 20:17 |
| dtroyer | 2) the TC is the focal point for working across the other tehnical leaders in projects | 20:17 |
| annegentle | lifeless: that's my read of it too | 20:17 |
| mestery | I like jaypipes's comments: Lets trust PTLs and project teams to handle this on their own, communicating with the TC. If the TC needs to step in to help, we can do that. | 20:17 |
| sdague | so I think I'm on the side that we don't need another policy for this | 20:17 |
| ttx | dtroyer: yes that's it | 20:17 |
| annegentle | vacations, known predictable medical leave, those are having a life | 20:17 |
| anteaya | annegentle: this doesn't cover vactation | 20:18 |
| anteaya | this is unexpected events | 20:18 |
| anteaya | non planned | 20:18 |
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| sdague | community norms weren't followed, step down gracefully should cover this. | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | mestery : so this came about because of the situation with trove last week, in which a lot of people were surprised and up in arms because the ptl was out for a couple of weeks and only a few folks outside of the team knew. | 20:18 |
| anteaya | sdague: should but didn't | 20:18 |
| russellb | was there actually a problem with trove? | 20:18 |
| ttx | sdague: is it documented somewhere (the "step down gracefully" ?) | 20:18 |
| russellb | we clearly had someone available to talk to and work with | 20:18 |
| mestery | dhellmann: OK, so what happened that was super bad during that time period? | 20:18 |
| russellb | it wasn't hard to figure out | 20:18 |
| lifeless | sure, but its too low level; we can't legislate every eventuality. Was this prompted by some PTL going awol ? | 20:18 |
| mestery | Did the release for trove go bad or not happen (that would be bad)? | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | russellb : no. he was out for a few weeks, he came back, everything was handled except for whatever happened in the meeting last week. | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | As I mentioned in the spec, I'm also not in favor of having a policy for this. I'd rather rely on the common sense of PTLs and, most importantly, the community's | 20:18 |
| ttx | lifeless: yes, trove PTl was out but most didn't know | 20:18 |
| mestery | OK, so sounds like common sense prevailed? | 20:19 |
| sdague | I swore it was in our community standards somewhere, grepping | 20:19 |
| ttx | sdague: if it's already documented somewhere I'm fine not adding a layer | 20:19 |
| jeblair | someone from the project came to the tc meeting and told us that though. i'm not upset. | 20:19 |
| annegentle | sdague: grep man grep | 20:19 |
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| russellb | jeblair: ++ | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | if we look past the prescriptive language in this resolution, I'm having a hard time understanding why we wouldn't want to write down that we expect folks to announce this sort of thing | 20:19 |
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| anteaya | especially if they happen to be stressed | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : yeah, it was the qa folks I think | 20:20 |
| thingee | sdague: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Guide#Availability ? | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | (that were upset) | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | and if we really want to add the resolution, I'd avoid mentioning all the steps and perhaps simplify it with: "let us know, please" | 20:20 |
| anteaya | and are trying to figure out the right thing to do | 20:20 |
| russellb | more that it feels so heavyweight ... if we have to write this down, do we need formal policies for everything that seems like reasonable common sense | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : I agree with making this proposal simpler | 20:20 |
| mestery | flaper87: ++ | 20:20 |
| mestery | Resolution: IF as PTL you're going somewhere, let your project team and the TC know. | 20:20 |
| mestery | Seems pretty simple | 20:21 |
| ttx | how about we turn it into something we add to the project team guide ? | 20:21 |
| markmcclain | flaper87: that's what I suggested in the comments | 20:21 |
| dtroyer | ttx: +++ | 20:21 |
| russellb | ttx: sounds reasonable | 20:21 |
| sdague | thingee: yeh, I think thwas was it | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx: that works | 20:21 |
| anteaya | you don't have to go anywhere to not be able to fulfill your obligations | 20:21 |
| annegentle | ttx: that would work, and make sure you have a proxy assigned | 20:21 |
| thingee | ttx: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Guide#Availability | 20:21 |
| anteaya | you can still be at home/office | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | anteaya : figure of speach | 20:21 |
| flaper87 | markmcclain: yeah, I did as well but... | 20:21 |
| thingee | just move that from the wiki | 20:21 |
| ttx | thingee: that's not official doc anymore | 20:21 |
| ttx | thingee: right | 20:21 |
| mestery | I'm not in favor of prescriptively documenting common sense in this case | 20:21 |
| jeblair | ttx: if the bit thingee posted isn't in the guide, i think that's a great thing to include | 20:21 |
| ttx | someone needs to care enough to push that. That is why I was fine with the resolution model, whatever the author prefers basically | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | To me, the most important part is for the team to know the PTL is not going to be around. IF they manage to nominate an interim PTL, that's more than awesome. IMHO | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | An email to the ML is great | 20:22 |
| ttx | do we have a volunteer to push that in the PTG instead ? | 20:22 |
| thingee | ttx: I can do it | 20:22 |
| mestery | flaper87: Agreed | 20:22 |
| russellb | thingee: thanks! | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | thanks, thingee | 20:22 |
| sdague | thingee: awesome, thanks | 20:22 |
| sdague | and good find on it :) | 20:23 |
| ttx | Personally I think the PTG is more discoverable and less intimidating than a resolution, so I'm fine with it landing there | 20:23 |
| jeblair | thingee: there's some similar language in doc/source/open-community.rst ; so maybe an enhancement to that | 20:23 |
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| russellb | ttx: ++ | 20:23 |
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| mestery | ttx: ++ | 20:23 |
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| annegentle | agreed let's not make it less appealing/possible to be PTL :) | 20:24 |
| lifeless | I think we have consensus, lets move on? | 20:24 |
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| ttx | yes | 20:24 |
| jeblair | thingee: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/open-community.html#technical-committee-and-ptl-elections | 20:24 |
| ttx | #agreed Push the thing to the PTG instead | 20:24 |
| thingee | jeblair: thanks | 20:24 |
| ttx | #action thingee to propose a PTG change to cover expectations on PTLs | 20:24 |
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| annegentle | thanks anteaya for bringing it up; obviously needed some thoughtful discussion | 20:25 |
| jeblair | anteaya: ++ | 20:25 |
| lifeless | ++ | 20:25 |
| russellb | ++ | 20:25 |
| markmcclain | ++ | 20:25 |
| anteaya | well brought you all together | 20:25 |
| anteaya | who else can do that? | 20:25 |
| ttx | Alrighty | 20:26 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:26 |
| * jeblair has an answer but keeps it to himself | 20:26 | |
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| ttx | * Status update on the testing interface conformance issues found in Trove | 20:26 |
| amrith | To be respectful of everyone's time, and so you don't have to all watch me type this, I've put these comments on gist. | 20:26 |
| amrith | https://gist.github.com/amrith/343415cda4a937f78eac#file-trove-stable-liberty-txt | 20:26 |
| ttx | tl;dr is most issues were fixed ? | 20:26 |
| * ttx reads | 20:26 | |
| amrith | yes, the summary is this | 20:26 |
| amrith | In summary, let me say that the stable/liberty gate is now working | 20:26 |
| amrith | again and is reliable. More needs to be done, and there is a plan to | 20:26 |
| amrith | address it in stable/liberty, stable/mitaka and moving forward. | 20:26 |
| amrith | I would also like to thank Matt for escalating this issue. | 20:27 |
| amrith | and I'll be working with him to take care of some final 'cats and dogs' ... | 20:27 |
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| russellb | the cats and dogs that are raining down? | 20:28 |
| ttx | alright, it seems the issue is now closed and doesn't need TC follow-up | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | amrith: thanks for working on that | 20:28 |
| russellb | thanks amrith ! | 20:28 |
| amrith | russellb, if you are near where I am, yes it is raining hard. they call it New England for a reason ;) | 20:28 |
| ttx | yes, thx amrith for jumping on the issue and fixing it | 20:28 |
| amrith | thanks to all for the help getting the issues resolved. | 20:28 |
| lifeless | it is raining cats and dogs here, for sure | 20:28 |
| russellb | i'm in California today, very dry | 20:28 |
| ttx | do we have both mordred and lifeless ? | 20:29 |
| tristanC | Quick update from elections: 51Hour left, 25 projects are missing candidates (which is about 47%) | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | Just a heads up from the comm team: A blog post is being written. It started after our last meeting but there was not enough time. Hopefully will go out in the next couple of days | 20:29 |
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| annegentle | thanks flaper87 | 20:29 |
| lifeless | ttx: reporting for duty | 20:29 |
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| ttx | mordred: around ? if yes I'd like to get deeper in the discussion we started two weeks ago | 20:29 |
| mordred | ttx: I am here! | 20:29 |
| ttx | * Are GPL test-only Python library dependencies an issue or not ? (lifeless, mordred) | 20:29 |
| ttx | About lifeless comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279999/ | 20:30 |
| lifeless | mordred: was just about to ring you :) | 20:30 |
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| mordred | I feel like lifeless and I got somewhere | 20:30 |
| ttx | The question is... should GPL test-time library dependencies (like scapy or Mysql-Python) be considered ok or not | 20:30 |
| annegentle | thanks tristanC | 20:30 |
| mordred | when we chatted a couple of weeks ago | 20:30 |
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| ttx | lifeless seems to think they aren't ok, mordred seemed to think they are ok | 20:30 |
| ttx | fight! | 20:30 |
| mordred | I believe we've gotten to a middle ground | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | ttx: lol | 20:30 |
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| ttx | dammit | 20:30 |
| lifeless | ttx: I think we agreed that we can't say yes or no to that question | 20:30 |
| jeblair | boring | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | buuuu | 20:30 |
| mordred | yah. | 20:30 |
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| dims | boo | 20:30 |
| thingee | from cross-project land, I surfaced up some stale specs http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089115.html | 20:30 |
| lifeless | ttx: sometimes they will. Sometimes they won't. | 20:30 |
| mordred | that it depends on the dependency | 20:30 |
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| mordred | and we shoudl use human judgement | 20:30 |
| ttx | what sort of fight is this | 20:30 |
| annegentle | ha | 20:30 |
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| mordred | ttx: we fought in #openstack-dev | 20:30 |
| mordred | you missed it | 20:30 |
| lifeless | ttx: so -> the blanket rule is that we have to assess each one. | 20:30 |
| thingee | I'd be interested in either someone interested in reviving these or the TC agreeing on some of these old specs being abandoned | 20:31 |
| ttx | lifeless: is there something we can add to the licensing requirements to make the rule clearer ? | 20:31 |
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| ttx | or what we'd use to assess the rule ? | 20:31 |
| lifeless | ttx: so its messy | 20:31 |
| ttx | because I'm not sure "asking mordred and lifeless about it" is scalable and durable | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | thingee: gotta admit, it took me a bit longer to parse that last sentence | 20:31 |
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| markmcclain | ttx: ++ | 20:32 |
| sdague | ttx: well, it's infrequent enough, I'm actually comfortable with ask mordred and lifeless | 20:32 |
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| sdague | I think it's more scalable than trying to define a process for it with everyone honestly :) | 20:32 |
| ttx | I'm ok with asking lifeless and mordred as long as they agree with my view of it | 20:32 |
| lifeless | ttx: so, this specific proposal is invalid, because its making a blanket it's-ok rule. | 20:32 |
| mordred | yup | 20:32 |
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| dims | sdague : ttx : my suggestion was that what's needed should be made available via infra (images?) and not added to *requirements.txt | 20:32 |
| mordred | but a blanket it's-not-ok is also not the right thing | 20:32 |
| lifeless | ttx: we can say something like 'invoking tools that are under any OSI approved license' is ok | 20:32 |
| ttx | lifeless: so since it merged we should post a clarification | 20:33 |
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| lifeless | ttx: because I think both mordred and I would agree that that is always ok, as far as it goes. | 20:33 |
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| mordred | yup | 20:33 |
| * rockyg thinks maybe a set of questions to answer before submitting a patch to include in test reqs? | 20:33 | |
| lifeless | its where things get into interface based derivation that it gets messy | 20:33 |
| ttx | right, calling tools is ok, everything else is more on a case-by-case basis of defining extension of work | 20:33 |
| mordred | yah | 20:33 |
| ttx | that would be my take as well | 20:34 |
| lifeless | the thing that provoked this was use of a python library | 20:34 |
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| ttx | We might want to kick Python-MySQL out then | 20:34 |
| ttx | and ask ourselves the question later ? | 20:34 |
| mordred | it has a specific carve-out | 20:34 |
| sdague | python-mysql has the foss exception, right? | 20:34 |
| lifeless | which is why it's ok ... | 20:34 |
| dims | right | 20:34 |
| mordred | libmysqlclient has the FOSS excpetion | 20:34 |
| lifeless | and why blanket rules are hard here | 20:34 |
| ttx | oh right | 20:34 |
| mordred | yah. turns out humans are good at assessing things and applying judgement | 20:34 |
| ttx | we should probably add that to the # GPL comment | 20:34 |
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| mordred | in this case, we should call out that doing so is a good idea | 20:35 |
| ttx | mordred: nonsense! | 20:35 |
| dims | ttx : yep +1 | 20:35 |
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| lifeless | I'll add a tweak to requirements and propose a licensing.rst tweak | 20:35 |
| jeblair | i feel like there's a subtext that hasn't quite been said here... | 20:35 |
| ttx | lifeless, mordred: is one of you interested in proposing a new wording that outlines the OK scenario and the "we need to think about it" scenario ? | 20:35 |
| lifeless | to make it clearer that the blanket thing there is 'running things' not 'using libraries' | 20:36 |
| ttx | lifeless: ++ | 20:36 |
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| ttx | lifeless: ++ | 20:36 |
| lifeless | mordred: (and no, I know using is the wrong word, but in the absence of better ones :)) | 20:36 |
| ttx | #action lifeless to propose a licensing.rst tweak | 20:36 |
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| russellb | we could also identify a small group of people as the people that should be tagged on reviews where the licensing questions aren't clear | 20:36 |
| jeblair | which is that 'using libraries' is maybe not ok | 20:36 |
| mordred | lifeless: yah yah | 20:36 |
| sdague | russellb: yeh | 20:36 |
| sdague | which is the mordred / lifeless solution | 20:36 |
| russellb | because it can't be solved completely with policy | 20:36 |
| jeblair | which i'm not convinced is the case | 20:36 |
| sdague | russellb: ++ | 20:36 |
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| jeblair | i'm wondering, in the example of scapy -- do folks feel it's inappropriate? if so, why? | 20:37 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ | 20:37 |
| dims | we still have no way to prevent test libs from leaking into runtime | 20:37 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I think lifeless point is that there might be cases where using a library would in fact be a case that a derived work would be the result | 20:37 |
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| lifeless | dims: I don't see a difference between runtime and testtime | 20:37 |
| lifeless | dims: mechanically they are identical | 20:37 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i agree it could happen. but i see a difference between runtime and testtime :) | 20:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: and that looking at what the library is and how it's being used is the thing that's eventually going to be the deciding factor of that | 20:38 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I do too | 20:38 |
| lifeless | dims: if the GPL has any relevance to Python code, the situations are identical | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not sure why we don't make a test/production distinction | 20:38 |
| jeblair | (who's distributing the binary that results when i run a test in the gate?) | 20:38 |
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| mordred | jeblair: but I think it's worth a specific discussion of each case | 20:38 |
| mordred | jeblair: becuase having the abstract discussion on it has so far been unsuccessful | 20:38 |
| dims | jeblair : right | 20:38 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: from a distribution perspective (remember, GPL is a distribution license...) | 20:38 |
| ttx | and it's rare enough to make the cost of discussing it low | 20:38 |
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| jeblair | mordred: ok. i can be down with that. | 20:38 |
| gus | (my personal relevant example here is pylint: I wrote some openstack-specific pylint checks previously, but have nowhere to store them. Clearly derived works from pylint (GPL), but also code that is easy to mentally separate from actual regular openstack deliverables) | 20:38 |
| dims | gus : ++ | 20:39 |
| lifeless | in the specific case of scapy, I want us to check with upstream | 20:39 |
| jeblair | lifeless: i think that's a fantastic idea. | 20:39 |
| lifeless | GPLv2 only is identified as ASLv2 incompatible by the FSF | 20:39 |
| mordred | if the author of scapy is fine with our use of it, then I tihnk we have no issue | 20:39 |
| jeblair | yeah, but "incompatible" doesn't begin to describe the nuance :) | 20:39 |
| mordred | yah | 20:40 |
| lifeless | If their intent is to be incompatible, we shouldn't use it - we don't want to be the test case for 'The GPL is meaningless for Python programs' | 20:40 |
| jeblair | lifeless: agreed | 20:40 |
| mordred | if their intent is to be incomptible I want to have a discussion about it | 20:40 |
| lifeless | I mean, maybe we do - but it would be a fairly massive distraction | 20:40 |
| mordred | because I'm more of an ass | 20:40 |
| mordred | but I do think checking first is the right move | 20:40 |
| ttx | <tristanC> Quick update from elections: 51Hour left, 25 projects are missing candidates (which is about 47%) | 20:40 |
| mordred | and depending on the feedback, it might be a very quick discussion | 20:40 |
| lifeless | I'd *love* to have that discussion, kindof. | 20:40 |
| ttx | #info Quick update from elections: 51Hour left, 25 projects are missing candidates (which is about 47%) | 20:40 |
| ttx | so hopefully we'll receive nominations and not have to appoint dozens of PTls in our next meeting | 20:41 |
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| flaper87 | ++ | 20:41 |
| lifeless | Omer has abandoned the scapy review | 20:41 |
| lifeless | so its a bit moot | 20:41 |
| tristanC | well, we're going to send the 'last hours' announcement to motivate ptl-less project | 20:42 |
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| ttx | btw some PTLs did not answer at all to our emails asking them for how much rooms they wanted at the design summit, if they don't have a PTL candidate either, I propose we fastrack their removal | 20:42 |
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| jeblair | lifeless: did we succeed in killing it with bureaucracy? | 20:42 |
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| ttx | death by review | 20:43 |
| russellb | ttx: heh, which ones? long list? | 20:43 |
| jeblair | ttx: ++removal | 20:43 |
| mestery | ttx: ++ | 20:43 |
| annegentle | ttx: as many as are not running PTLs? | 20:43 |
| ttx | russellb: no, short. | 20:43 |
| sdague | ttx: ++ | 20:43 |
| russellb | that's good to hear ... | 20:43 |
| ttx | Thanks to thingee for being exceptionally persistent | 20:43 |
| annegentle | nice thingee | 20:43 |
| lifeless | jeblair: ' | 20:44 |
| lifeless | Following Doug Hellmann's and @lifeless' comments, I will try and find another solution.' | 20:44 |
| annegentle | so our best guess is that most PTLs will stand again and just haven't sent in a patch? | 20:44 |
| ttx | Slot allocatiojn to be published tomorrow | 20:44 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: so yes, I think. | 20:44 |
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| cdent | lifeless: can you link me to that review please? | 20:44 |
| russellb | openstack governance garbage collection? :) | 20:44 |
| ttx | annegentle: a lot submissions just drop on the last day | 20:44 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277893/ | 20:44 |
| mestery | russellb: lol | 20:44 |
| annegentle | ttx: yah | 20:45 |
| ttx | russellb: that is my TC election platform | 20:45 |
| russellb | nice | 20:45 |
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| russellb | no summit slots, no PTL, the reference count for this project has reached 0 and will now be removed | 20:45 |
| cdent | thanks | 20:45 |
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| jeblair | lifeless: that's a shame. i honestly feel there is a very good argument for using it. | 20:45 |
| sdague | russellb: NullPointerException | 20:45 |
| ttx | We got out of the way successfully, but we approved a lot of things by leaps of faith. I'd argue newton is cleanup time | 20:45 |
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| * flaper87 likes that | 20:46 | |
| mestery | ttx: Sounds like an 80s movie: "OpenStack Newton: It's payback time." | 20:46 |
| jeblair | lifeless: but i also agree it's not worth having if the question is moot. | 20:46 |
| russellb | yes, we should protect "in OpenStack" as having some real meaning | 20:46 |
| annegentle | ttx: yeah | 20:46 |
| dhellmann | jeblair , lifeless : my -2 was procedural there for the freeze :-/ | 20:46 |
| ttx | we have 15 more minutes, any topic you'd like to discuss ? | 20:46 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292918/ | 20:46 |
| sdague | we seemed to have not had a testing clause in the asserts can upgrade tag | 20:46 |
| sdague | which I think is an oversight we should fix up | 20:47 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: yes, I know | 20:47 |
| ttx | sdague: how about the same commit removes the tag from affected projects ? That would make the consequence clearer | 20:47 |
| russellb | sdague: ++ | 20:47 |
| dansmith | ttx: I can, if you like | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | dansmith : yeah, please do | 20:47 |
| dansmith | roger | 20:47 |
| russellb | thanks dane_leblanc | 20:48 |
| sdague | it's the 2 non ceilometer telemetry projects I think | 20:48 |
| russellb | err, thanks dansmith | 20:48 |
| ttx | heh | 20:48 |
| sdague | but there might be something else complicated there about why they are getting tested because they are all very complicated in how they test | 20:48 |
| lifeless | jeblair: I think its a great testing tool to use; in C land it would be unambiguous about how it could be used | 20:48 |
| dansmith | I'll survey the project config, propose to remove the ones I think aren't right, and maybe we can get the PTLs to confirm | 20:48 |
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| russellb | *crickets* | 20:51 |
| jeblair | lifeless: yep. with us not distributing scapy itself, i think only section 2b would be at issue, right? and then that would be asking whether dragonflow was derived from scapy. with it only being used as a test-time requirement, i think that would be a stretch. | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | maybe the dragonflow test suite would have to be gpled | 20:52 |
| jeblair | lifeless: whether that then results in us laying a minefield for downstream packagers is an open question. :) | 20:52 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: in C land, there would be a separate binary for tests, and one could simply not distribute that binary | 20:52 |
| sdague | lifeless: you can simply not distribute our tests | 20:52 |
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| lifeless | sdague: as jeblair says - ?minefield | 20:53 |
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| lifeless | I'm sure everyone here gets that one of the key things the GPL works on is totally missing in Python: there is no derivation or inclusion of an interface at compile time | 20:53 |
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| lifeless | the oracle case that made interface copyright a thing re-introduces that though | 20:54 |
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| lifeless | sdague: so - practical consequence of 'simply not' - we'd need to teach pbr to exclude tests from wheels that we publish to pypi | 20:55 |
| jroll | sdague: upgrades tag thing is interesting, I thought there was a testing clause there before (which is why ironic hasn't asserted that tag) | 20:55 |
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| sdague | jroll: I did too | 20:55 |
| sdague | and I think there should be | 20:55 |
| jroll | +1 | 20:56 |
| lifeless | anyhow, I still think the simplest thing is just to ask scapy - 'hey, if we used scapy in our test suite, would you consider that OK or not' ? | 20:56 |
| sdague | just because we've found so many issues when enabling it in projects, and it helps expose upgrade issues to devs they might not have thought about | 20:56 |
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| amrith | a question ... when's the next TC meeting? 2 weeks? | 20:56 |
| jeblair | lifeless, sdague: that's *if* dragonflow tests are considered derived works; there's an argument they may not be. | 20:56 |
| lifeless | if upstream don't have an issue, meh, move on. | 20:56 |
| jeblair | lifeless: but yes, that. :) | 20:56 |
| anteaya | amrith: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Technical_Committee_Meeting | 20:57 |
| lifeless | jeblair: I actually need to make time to read the oracle-google decision in detail w.r.t. interface copyright | 20:57 |
| lifeless | jeblair: I rather suspect it has significant bearing on that question | 20:57 |
| amrith | good I asked, I thought it was 2 weeks ... thx anteaya | 20:57 |
| anteaya | amrith: welcome | 20:58 |
| dtroyer | lifeless: yes, also keep in mind that a single decision doesn't make it settled precedent yet, only in a single US Circuit… still can't be ignored though | 20:58 |
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| jeblair | lifeless: that will be interesting. also, totally looking forward to the gpl behaving differently in the 9th circuit :) | 20:58 |
| lifeless | dtroyer: indeed | 20:59 |
| jeblair | dtroyer: yeah | 20:59 |
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| lifeless | jeblair: its under appeal? | 20:59 |
| jeblair | lifeless: i don't know | 20:59 |
| lifeless | jeblair: oh - I don't get the 9th circuit ref then ? | 20:59 |
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| * dtroyer still misses Groklaw | 20:59 | |
| lifeless | dtroyer: ++ :( | 21:00 |
| egon | :-/ | 21:00 |
| dims | lifeless : https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | oh well, time is up | 21:00 |
| dtroyer | lifeless: that's where the current decision was made, other curcuits do not have to necessarily follow it | 21:00 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
| jeblair | lifeless: i thought it was a 9th circuit decision | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 15 21:00:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-15-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-15-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| lifeless | dtroyer: jeblair: ah ack. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-15-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | continue in #openstack-ianal | 21:00 |
| dtroyer | jeblair: yes, it was | 21:01 |
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| lifeless | ttx: please no.... | 21:02 |
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| ttx | heh | 21:02 |
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| jeblair | too late | 21:03 |
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| rockyg | thingee, what's the cross project channel again? | 21:03 |
| bswartz | #openstack-meeting-cp | 21:03 |
| thingee | thanks bswartz | 21:03 |
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| rockyg | thanks bswartz! | 21:05 |
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