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| aspiers | hi :) are we all here? | 08:59 |
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| masahito | I'm here. | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | beekhof: you can't hide forever, we know where you live ... oh wait :) | 09:00 |
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| beekhof | i have already eaten this time though | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | for a second there I was wondering how it's possible to eat time | 09:01 |
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| aspiers | then I remembered: mailing lists eat time ;-) | 09:01 |
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| aspiers | ok I guess we'll start - if it's a smaller group today then it'll be a quick meeting :) | 09:02 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 09:02:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:02 |
| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | alright, masahito you wanna start today? | 09:03 |
| masahito | got it | 09:03 |
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| masahito | I want us to start thinking of milestone of the HA. | 09:04 |
| masahito | so I thought how we can integrate Masakari and Mistral work flow proposed by _gryf. | 09:04 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:04 |
| masahito | then, I wrote my idea in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation at L12-32. | 09:04 |
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| aspiers | cool, thanks :) | 09:04 |
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| * aspiers has a quick read | 09:05 | |
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| aspiers | I'm not sure I fully understand the quick example | 09:07 |
| aspiers | what's the difference between the two cases? | 09:07 |
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| masahito | first one is only disable nova-compute and the instance on the host remain there. | 09:08 |
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| aspiers | #info masahito documented a proposal for short and long term goals for masakari and mistral, and convergence of the two | 09:08 |
| beekhof | so technically you dont need to do anything, yet | 09:08 |
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| masahito | second one is the instance on the host will be moved to other host. | 09:08 |
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| aspiers | ok - but what's the goal of the first case? | 09:09 |
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| beekhof | vigilance? | 09:10 |
| masahito | in the case, admin tryies to start nova-compute | 09:10 |
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| aspiers | ah ok, so e.g. if nova-compute simply crashed? | 09:10 |
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| masahito | aspiers: yes | 09:11 |
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| aspiers | ok. wouldn't pacemaker simply try to restart it then? | 09:11 |
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| masahito | pacemaker try it but couldn't restart it. | 09:12 |
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| aspiers | then it will try to stop it -> fail -> fence | 09:12 |
| aspiers | -> failover | 09:12 |
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| aspiers | is there a use case where manual intervention would be needed? | 09:13 |
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| masahito | we have this use-case. | 09:13 |
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| aspiers | since manual intervention doesn't scale | 09:13 |
| ddeja | hi all, sorry for beeing late | 09:13 |
| aspiers | hi ddeja | 09:14 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: take a look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation L12-32 | 09:14 |
| ddeja | aspiers: OK | 09:14 |
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| aspiers | actually maybe I am talking rubbish, as usual for early on Monday mornings | 09:14 |
| aspiers | the stop of nova-compute could succeed | 09:15 |
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| aspiers | in fact, it always succeeds | 09:16 |
| beekhof | so it should :) | 09:16 |
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| aspiers | I can't even remember how this is supposed to work :-/ | 09:16 |
| aspiers | what triggers fencing? | 09:16 |
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| beekhof | unless kill -9 and rm -f have stopped working, there is little reason for stop to fail for any service | 09:17 |
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| aspiers | sorry, I'm not awake yet :(( | 09:17 |
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| aspiers | I mean, if nova-compute fails to start correctly multiple times | 09:18 |
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| aspiers | it's just a clone, so it has nowhere to migrate to | 09:18 |
| beekhof | in practice they often fail though. especially systemd units :-/ | 09:18 |
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| aspiers | in this case it just stays down, no fencing and no evacuation, right? | 09:19 |
| aspiers | that's a black spot in our current approach? | 09:19 |
| aspiers | s/black/blind/ | 09:19 |
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| aspiers | assuming that clone-max isn't set to less than the # of compute nodes | 09:19 |
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| beekhof | yep | 09:20 |
| ddeja | I'm not in the toppic - but if nova-compute fails to start, it shouldn't have any vms? | 09:20 |
| beekhof | well no | 09:20 |
| aspiers | ddeja: we're discussing if it fails to *re*start | 09:20 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: sorry for not being clear | 09:20 |
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| beekhof | actually, correct. no evacuations because the node wasnt fenced | 09:20 |
| aspiers | ddeja: e.g. if it crashes | 09:20 |
| beekhof | which is... probably unfortunate | 09:20 |
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| aspiers | hmm | 09:21 |
| ddeja | but if nova-compute crashes | 09:21 |
| ddeja | it's vms are still alive, right? | 09:21 |
| aspiers | ddeja: oh that's a good point | 09:21 |
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| ddeja | so there's no need to evacuate anything | 09:21 |
| aspiers | and finally I understand masahito's use case :) | 09:22 |
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| aspiers | so in that case, we want the admin to manually rescue the machine, since we can't do anything useful automatically | 09:22 |
| masahito | aspiers: ddeja: My use case I mentioned is vm is still alive. | 09:22 |
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| aspiers | right | 09:22 |
| masahito | aspiers: yap :) | 09:22 |
| aspiers | masahito: ok got it now, sorry for being slow ;-) | 09:22 |
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| masahito | aspiers: no problem. If I responsed quickly, it would be fast. | 09:23 |
| aspiers | so in this case the workflow is just "scream to the admins for help", right? | 09:23 |
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| beekhof | masahito: how do you check instance health without a functional nova? | 09:23 |
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| masahito | aspiers: It depends on how we use openstack. | 09:24 |
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| aspiers | beekhof: if we were using mistral, it could query nova to see if any instances were running there before nova-compute died | 09:24 |
| masahito | If we use OpenStack as public cloud, notifying admin and client is good. | 09:24 |
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| aspiers | if the host was empty, probably best route is to fence without evacuation | 09:25 |
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| ddeja | Or we can check in libvirt for VM's | 09:25 |
| masahito | on the other hand, if we use openstack as private cloud, like EC site. I think it's better to fence node. | 09:25 |
| aspiers | since there is a smalll chance fencing / reboot would fix the nova-compute issue | 09:25 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: yes, that's probably even better | 09:26 |
| ddeja | Oh, we can have a big problem if libvirtd crashes and fails to re-start... | 09:26 |
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| beekhof | aspiers: i think my point is, you probably need to fence+evacuate because you can't tell if the instances you've promised to keep running, are actually running | 09:26 |
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| ddeja | beekhof: on the other hand, if instance is totaly OK, you can make somebody very unhappy by doing this ;) | 09:27 |
| beekhof | so yeah, the instances can run without nova, but no-one can know that if nova is dead | 09:27 |
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| ddeja | beekhof: you can check in libvirt | 09:27 |
| beekhof | ddeja: its loose-loose | 09:27 |
| aspiers | beekhof: the question is whether it makes sense for mistral to monitor the libvirt layer out of band from pacemaker | 09:27 |
| ddeja | or maybe | 09:27 |
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| ddeja | we can trigger live-migrate in such case | 09:28 |
| ddeja | #link https://libvirt.org/migration.html | 09:28 |
| ddeja | using libvirt | 09:28 |
| aspiers | ddeja: I doubt that's doable without nova | 09:28 |
| beekhof | i think there is scope for ${something} to be looking at libvirt, dont have much of an opinion who initiates it | 09:28 |
| aspiers | ddeja: by circumventing openstack you break lots of things | 09:28 |
| ddeja | yup | 09:29 |
| beekhof | could be a pacemaker RA, could be something else | 09:29 |
| beekhof | aspiers: even if we are R/O ? | 09:29 |
| ddeja | I'm just seeking for options to have instances alive as long as possible and not to kill them, if they're alive | 09:29 |
| beekhof | oh, i see now | 09:29 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: agree 100% with that goal | 09:30 |
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| aspiers | well we already have monitoring of libvirtd, but really that's different | 09:30 |
| aspiers | here we are talking about monitoring individual VMs via libvirtd | 09:30 |
| beekhof | ddeja: the problem is that to make the "right" decision at every stage of the process, you usually need more knowledge than is available | 09:30 |
| masahito | as we're discussing now, there are a lot of use case. So my idea is we offer the admin some usecase. | 09:30 |
| beekhof | at least to an aytomated process | 09:30 |
| aspiers | masahito: yes, sounds like a good first step is to do manual notification to the admin for sure | 09:31 |
| beekhof | correct (should always) trump optimal | 09:31 |
| ddeja | I think masahito has a good point; We can leave this decision to admin | 09:31 |
| aspiers | beekhof: agreed, although hopefully we can achieve both eventually :) | 09:31 |
| kazuIchikawa | In current masakari implementation, a processmonitor does monitor libvirtd, and masakari just does disable nova-compute without evacuation, fyi. | 09:31 |
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| beekhof | as long as we can also opt to take automated action | 09:31 |
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| aspiers | yup | 09:32 |
| aspiers | I guess there could be strange edge cases | 09:32 |
| aspiers | e.g. nova-compute dies, and so do half of the VMs | 09:32 |
| aspiers | in that case do you fence or not? | 09:33 |
| masahito | I think mistral template (sorry, I don't know the correct phrase) is good tool to offer this. | 09:33 |
| aspiers | it depends on whether the half which died were more or less important than the half which are still alive | 09:33 |
| aspiers | masahito: I agree, it sounds like the kind of thing mistral could do a good job on | 09:33 |
| kazuIchikawa | aspiers: just disabling nova-compute at schedular level, no fence. | 09:34 |
| beekhof | this is assuming we have something checking instances outside of openstack? | 09:34 |
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| aspiers | kazuIchikawa: if the VMs which died were critical but the VMs still alive were non-critical, fencing would be a better choice | 09:34 |
| aspiers | kazuIchikawa: since it is more important to resurrect the dead VMs than keep the other ones alive | 09:35 |
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| aspiers | beekhof: well mistral could do it by querying either nova-api or libvirtd directly | 09:35 |
| ddeja | aspiers: To sum up: we would like to have vm-monitoring on libvirt? And in case of nova-compute crash make some decision based on it's informations? | 09:36 |
| aspiers | ddeja: sounds like a good summary to me | 09:36 |
| beekhof | aspiers: how can nova-api help if nova isnt on that compute node? | 09:36 |
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| aspiers | beekhof: for querying the current state - but it could be out of date, so it's probably not useful | 09:37 |
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| aspiers | I think it has to be via libvirtd | 09:37 |
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| aspiers | in case VMs died after nova-compute died | 09:37 |
| aspiers | which is quite possible in that failure scenario (e.g. OOM killer) | 09:37 |
| beekhof | agreed | 09:37 |
| aspiers | actually OOM killer is probably quite a good example of the scenario we are discussing | 09:38 |
| aspiers | well, maybe not | 09:38 |
| kazuIchikawa | aspiers: I agree if we confirmed some of instance were died, then we should take any action such as rebuild. it's done by instancemonitor rather than processmonitor in Masakari. | 09:38 |
| aspiers | I guess nova-compute could potentially restart ok | 09:38 |
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| aspiers | kazuIchikawa: right. this is one area where masakari is ahead right now | 09:38 |
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| aspiers | #info scenario was discuussed where nova-compute and possible some/all VMs on that host die and can't be restarted | 09:39 |
| aspiers | #agreed appropriate action (to fence or not to fence) in this scenario is policy-based and context-sensitive | 09:40 |
| aspiers | #agreed a good first step is to automatically notify the cloud operators to request manual remediation | 09:41 |
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| aspiers | #info notification in this scenario could be handled by mistral | 09:42 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:42 |
| masahito | back to my update. If agree, I want to move the work items. | 09:42 |
| beekhof | by? | 09:42 |
| beekhof | i'd have thought "to" | 09:42 |
| gibi | alex_xu: could you please check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243562/ ? I answered your comments | 09:42 |
| aspiers | gibi: wrong channel :) | 09:43 |
| gibi | aspiers: sorry :) | 09:43 |
| beekhof | masahito: go ahead | 09:43 |
| aspiers | gibi: np | 09:43 |
| aspiers | masahito: yes please, go ahead | 09:43 |
| masahito | I'm wondering where we should keep masakari repo. | 09:43 |
| masahito | It's in under ntt-sic/ directory now, so I and other less people only can merge it now. | 09:43 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:44 |
| masahito | If someone want to help it, I think the repo place is not good. | 09:44 |
| aspiers | masahito: it's possible to make other people collaborators on github projects | 09:44 |
| beekhof | yep | 09:45 |
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| beekhof | where it is doesn't affect that | 09:45 |
| masahito | by issues or pull request? | 09:45 |
| aspiers | masahito: both | 09:45 |
| beekhof | either | 09:45 |
| beekhof | they can push directly to the repo if you want them to | 09:45 |
| beekhof | depends how much you trust them ;-) | 09:46 |
| aspiers | hmm I wonder if it's different for organizations | 09:46 |
| aspiers | then maybe you have to use teams? | 09:46 |
| beekhof | no | 09:46 |
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| beekhof | pretty sure not | 09:46 |
| masahito | Oh, I'm worried about only NTT guys can merge it. | 09:46 |
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| aspiers | I think masahito is probbly right | 09:47 |
| beekhof | should be possible to allow outsiders too | 09:47 |
| masahito | if you all don't mind it, I'm ok. | 09:47 |
| aspiers | you can't be in an org team unless you're in the org? | 09:47 |
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| beekhof | CLusterLabs is an org | 09:47 |
| aspiers | yes but anyone can become a member of clusterlabs | 09:47 |
| beekhof | its not really any different | 09:47 |
| aspiers | not anyone can become a member of the NTT org :) | 09:47 |
| masahito | aspiers: yap | 09:48 |
| aspiers | unless they create a team called "non-NTT OpenStack people" | 09:48 |
| aspiers | but I can totally understand them not wanting to do that | 09:48 |
| aspiers | it might leak other privileges within the org | 09:48 |
| aspiers | masahito: well you can either move to stackforge, or to another organization e.g. NTT-FOSS | 09:49 |
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| aspiers | masahito: I suggest we discuss this offline since we are running out of time in this meeting | 09:49 |
| masahito | the reason I asked it is that others who isn't in the meeting wants to report codes. but we don't have any consensus about it. | 09:49 |
| masahito | aspiers: got it. | 09:49 |
| aspiers | we need to give beekhof and ddeja a chance to report quick status updates | 09:49 |
| aspiers | beekhof: you wanna go ahead? | 09:50 |
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| beekhof | ok | 09:50 |
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| beekhof | continued testing of the existing solution | 09:51 |
| beekhof | there wasn't a lot of error handling in there, and now that there is... i'm really not convinced anything works | 09:51 |
| aspiers | hehe, oh dear :) | 09:52 |
| beekhof | i can trigger evacuations all day long | 09:52 |
| beekhof | but what nova does with them... | 09:52 |
| beekhof | i don't know its worth the trouble | 09:52 |
| beekhof | also, making use of the force_down API is... problematic | 09:52 |
| beekhof | various API versioning issues | 09:53 |
| aspiers | beekhof: if you found several issues, any chance you could detail themm in an etherpad/wiki or mail openstack-dev? | 09:53 |
| _gryf | beekhof, actually it's a client problem | 09:53 |
| aspiers | then we could examine and discuss next time? | 09:53 |
| _gryf | the api is working just fine :) | 09:53 |
| beekhof | _gryf did a nice writeup | 09:53 |
| aspiers | oh | 09:53 |
| beekhof | i filed a rh bug that included it | 09:54 |
| aspiers | somehow I missed that | 09:54 |
| beekhof | :) | 09:54 |
| beekhof | i'll get the link | 09:54 |
| aspiers | thanks | 09:54 |
| beekhof | apart from that, general notice that RH will quite likely drop all the A/A openstack services from the pacemaker config | 09:54 |
| aspiers | why? | 09:54 |
| beekhof | they can use systemd | 09:54 |
| ddeja | :o | 09:54 |
| _gryf | oh my | 09:54 |
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| aspiers | how will they be monitored? | 09:55 |
| beekhof | they keep telling us they dont need pacemaker, now they get the chance to show it :) | 09:55 |
| beekhof | by systemd | 09:55 |
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| beekhof | because its wonderful | 09:55 |
| aspiers | systemd doing API-level monitoring? | 09:55 |
| beekhof | does everything a person could want | 09:55 |
| aspiers | oh OK, so this is a decision elsewhere in RH, not by you? | 09:55 |
| beekhof | oh, not at all | 09:55 |
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| ddeja | beekhof: Its... beautiful | 09:56 |
| beekhof | i'm one of the architects of the plan | 09:56 |
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| aspiers | #info _gryf and beekhof found several issues with evacuation | 09:56 |
| aspiers | hmm | 09:56 |
| beekhof | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1291106 | 09:56 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1291106 in python-novaclient "force_down API not available" [Urgent,New] - Assigned to eglynn | 09:56 |
| aspiers | thanks | 09:56 |
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| aspiers | beekhof: any chance you could write up a few more details of that plan too? | 09:57 |
| aspiers | sounds rather odd to me | 09:57 |
| aspiers | though I know you love systemd ;-) | 09:57 |
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| beekhof | magnificent codebase | 09:57 |
| aspiers | _gryf / ddeja: want to report anything in the last 2 mins? (sorry) | 09:57 |
| _gryf | aspiers, nope | 09:58 |
| aspiers | also we need to decide whether to have a meeting next week | 09:58 |
| aspiers | I suggest we can have one even if some people might be away | 09:58 |
| ddeja | my status: Bringing up my test-setup, to test Mistral on something better than devstack | 09:58 |
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| aspiers | cool | 09:59 |
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| aspiers | #info ddeja is preparing to test the Mistral PoC on something better than devstack | 09:59 |
| aspiers | ok, not much to report from my side except fighting with CI | 10:00 |
| aspiers | #info RH will probably move management of A/A openstack services from pacemaker to systemd | 10:00 |
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| aspiers | unfortunately we have to end there. sorry for not being a good chair this week - next time I'll try to structure the meeting more effectively! | 10:01 |
| _gryf | :D | 10:01 |
| aspiers | if we have topics to discuss we should move them to a discussion section after the status update section | 10:01 |
| aspiers | lesson learned :) | 10:01 |
| aspiers | alright, thanks everyone and of course we can continue discussing on #openstack-ha for anyone who is still free right now! | 10:01 |
| aspiers | to everyone else, thanks for coming and bye for now :) | 10:02 |
| ddeja | thanks, bye | 10:02 |
| _gryf | bye! | 10:02 |
| masahito | thanks! | 10:02 |
| kazuIchikawa | bye | 10:02 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 10:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 10:03:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2015/ha.2015-12-14-09.02.html | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2015/ha.2015-12-14-09.02.txt | 10:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2015/ha.2015-12-14-09.02.log.html | 10:03 |
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| boris-42_ | #startmeeting Rally | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 14:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:00 |
| boris-42_ | ping everybody | 14:00 |
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| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:01 |
| oanufriev_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| redixin | Barev | 14:01 |
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| andreykurilin__ | o/ | 14:05 |
| boris-42_ | okay let's start | 14:05 |
| boris-42_ | #topic [ikhudoshyn] Preparation for a Distributed Runner (Info: Before implementing distributed runner itself expected two preparation steps | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[ikhudoshyn] Preparation for a Distributed Runner (Info: Before implementing distributed runner itself expected two preparation steps (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:05 | |
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| ikhudoshyn | boris-42_: actually that was the topic for the prev meeting, I didn't add it this time | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin__ | :) | 14:07 |
| ikhudoshyn | the only thing I'd like to say is 'pls review the 1st part' | 14:07 |
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| boris-42_ | ikhudoshyn: ok great | 14:07 |
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| boris-42_ | ikhudoshyn: so our meeting agenda is empty | 14:07 |
| boris-42_ | that's sad | 14:07 |
| boris-42_ | #topic free discussion | 14:08 |
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| boris-42_ | redixin: btw guys from communtiy asked you to create some blogpost | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin__ | boris-42_: I have one topic - we have a problem with reviews.. | 14:08 |
| boris-42_ | redixin: regarding to how to create with rally-ci docker images on patches that are merged | 14:08 |
| boris-42_ | andreykurilin__: nobody is reviewing? | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin__ | Yeah | 14:09 |
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| redixin | boris-42_: ill think about it | 14:11 |
| boris-42_ | redixin: please do it | 14:11 |
| boris-42_ | redixin: two guys asked for it | 14:11 |
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| boris-42_ | andreykurilin__: so that is typical rally problem | 14:12 |
| boris-42_ | andreykurilin__: nobody is reviewing | 14:12 |
| boris-42_ | nobody cares | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42_: ;( | 14:12 |
| redixin | hm | 14:13 |
| redixin | can we merge any patches? | 14:13 |
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| redixin | what about py26-last-release? | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | redixin: merge != review | 14:14 |
| boris-42_ | redixin: my laptop is in service | 14:14 |
| boris-42_ | redixin: with new release notes | 14:14 |
| boris-42_ | redixin: so I'll have to re-review them | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42_: ;( | 14:14 |
| boris-42_ | redixin: btw I agree with andreykurilin about merge != review | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | Do we have any topics to discuss? | 14:20 |
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| boris-42_ | andreykurilin: how to fix the review process?) | 14:21 |
| boris-42_ | andreykurilin: except the way that I will review 200+ patches? | 14:21 |
| boris-42_ | andreykurilin: btw the really bad thing is that almost all reviews are from Mirantis http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/rally/30 | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42_: lol. rally is not my main team, but I'm top 1 reviewer | 14:23 |
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| rvasilets__ | Then we need to force chris to make 200+ review) | 14:23 |
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| boris-42_ | andreykurilin: so I am just doing experiments | 14:23 |
| boris-42_ | andreykurilin: like what will happen if I will review like a agv perosn in Rally | 14:23 |
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| boris-42_ | rvasilets__: we need to convince not to force | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42_: I suppose we need to move from "review patches on demand" to "review everything" | 14:24 |
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| boris-42_ | andreykurilin: yep | 14:24 |
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| boris-42_ | andreykurilin: and ask community to help with reviews | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: yes | 14:25 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42_: also we can add "independent" bot to improve stats | 14:26 |
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| andreykurilin | :D | 14:26 |
| boris-42_ | andreykurilin: lol | 14:27 |
| boris-42_ | okay let's finish meeting cause we don't have any topics | 14:27 |
| boris-42_ | to disucss | 14:27 |
| boris-42_ | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 14:27:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-12-14-14.00.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-12-14-14.00.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-12-14-14.00.log.html | 14:27 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 15:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:01 |
| eantyshev | hello! | 15:01 |
| anteaya | how are you eantyshev | 15:01 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 15:02 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hello mmedvede | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hello pabelanger | 15:02 |
| asselin | good morning | 15:02 |
| anteaya | morning asselin | 15:02 |
| anteaya | does anyone have a topic they would like to discuss today? | 15:03 |
| eantyshev | I have a few changes, mostly approved, which I don't know how to merge: 253642, 254128, 253619 | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: okay so you want some reviews | 15:03 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: yes? | 15:03 |
| lennyb_ | Hi | 15:03 |
| anteaya | hi lennyb_ | 15:03 |
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| eantyshev | and 239479 | 15:04 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:04 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: so you are asking for reviews, is that corrent? | 15:04 |
| eantyshev | yes, sure | 15:04 |
| anteaya | okay thanks | 15:04 |
| anteaya | does anyone else have anything they would like to dicuss today? | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | the only topic in the table is eantyshev's review requests? | 15:05 |
| anteaya | well actually I have a question before we get to the reviews | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: in this patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255930/2 | 15:05 |
| anteaya | I don't understand the commit message | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | what were you seeing that that patch was the fix? | 15:06 |
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| eantyshev | it was a quite clear issue, perhaps most of commit message wasn't neccessary | 15:07 |
| anteaya | no, I'm not saying that | 15:07 |
| eantyshev | honestly, I don't understand | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | I'm saying I don't have enough back ground information to understand your commit message | 15:08 |
| asselin | the issue was that zuul merger failed to checkout, pull any patches | 15:08 |
| anteaya | asselin: thank you | 15:08 |
| asselin | you would get an authentication error. | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | ah thanks | 15:08 |
| asselin | this was caused by a regression in the zuul code | 15:08 |
| anteaya | ah | 15:08 |
| asselin | eantyshev 's patch fixes the regression | 15:09 |
| anteaya | asselin: do you know what zuul patch caused the regression? | 15:09 |
| asselin | commit message discusses the root cause analysis | 15:09 |
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| asselin | yeah....let me look it up | 15:09 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | asselin: yours was the context I needed for this to make sense, thank you | 15:10 |
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| asselin | #link issue introduced here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121528/53/zuul/lib/connections.py | 15:12 |
| anteaya | asselin: thank you | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | now I understand, thankyou | 15:13 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: did you want to discuss any off your patches you mentioned earlier? | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | any of* | 15:14 |
| asselin | I think they | 15:14 |
| asselin | 're straight-forward. | 15:14 |
| anteaya | okay please review eantyshev's patches | 15:15 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any objections to me closing the meeting? | 15:15 |
| anteaya | thank you everyone for your attendance and participation today, see you next week | 15:16 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 15:16:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-14-15.01.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-14-15.01.txt | 15:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-12-14-15.01.log.html | 15:16 |
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| NikolayM | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 16:01:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
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| melisha | Hi | 16:01 |
| lane_kong | NikolayM: hi, i'm here | 16:01 |
| gpaz | Hi | 16:01 |
| dzimine | Hi all! | 16:02 |
| ddeja | hello | 16:02 |
| m4dcoder | hi | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | let's start | 16:02 |
| NikolayM | #topic Review Action items | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | 1. rakhmerov, melisha: design "Mistral HA" and "Multi-region support" during M-2 | 16:03 |
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| NikolayM | there was a meeting earlier | 16:03 |
| melisha | NikolayM: We had a meeting today | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | but I couldn't attend to it, sorry | 16:03 |
| lane_kong | i missed it, too | 16:04 |
| melisha | We talked in general about the scope of these features. | 16:04 |
| lane_kong | melisha: do you have a meeting minutes? | 16:04 |
| melisha | Yes. Sorry for that but we will update - no decisions were done | 16:04 |
| NikolayM | btw, was rakhmerov on the meeting? | 16:04 |
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| melisha | Yes rakhmerov was there | 16:04 |
| melisha | We will send minutes | 16:05 |
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| NikolayM | ok | 16:05 |
| melisha | Basically there are 2 BPs about these two issues and we said we will update them | 16:05 |
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| NikolayM | #action melisha: send "Mistral HA and multi-regional support" meeting minutes | 16:05 |
| melisha | Cool. Thanks. | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | next item | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | 2. nmakhotkin: discuss with rakhmerov about M-2 planning and do planning | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | I asked Renat about time for the planning | 16:06 |
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| hparekh | hi | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | but he is unavailable now and tomorrow | 16:07 |
| _gryf | hi | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | so, I think it would be great to have this meeting on wednesday | 16:07 |
| dzimine | hi hparekh, _gryf ! | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | hi! | 16:07 |
| lane_kong | the m-2 release date will be Jun 13 or so | 16:07 |
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| NikolayM | lane_kong, yeah, we have enough time | 16:08 |
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| NikolayM | guys, what do you think about planning meeting on wednesday? | 16:08 |
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| m4dcoder | what time on wednesday? | 16:09 |
| NikolayM | we can discuss the time | 16:09 |
| NikolayM | what your options, m4dcoder? | 16:10 |
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| m4dcoder | current time is generally hard for me. can we do US pacific evening time? | 16:10 |
| NikolayM | for me it is 7 - 16 UTC | 16:10 |
| melisha | ALU folks are at UTC+2 | 16:11 |
| hparekh | For me 7-14 | 16:11 |
| lane_kong | i'm at UTC+8 | 16:11 |
| hparekh | i am at UTC +9 | 16:12 |
| lane_kong | we can use tools to decide an appropriate time | 16:12 |
| NikolayM | hmm, I guess 7-9 UTC would be good for all of us | 16:12 |
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| lane_kong | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html | 16:13 |
| NikolayM | what should we do? | 16:14 |
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| lane_kong | or use Doodle like the meeting renat with ALU guys | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | yes, sure | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | #action NikolayM: discuss with Renat and confirm appropriate time for planning M-2 on wednesday Dec 16 | 16:16 |
| m4dcoder | i can join the meeting between 9 PM - 11 PM on Tuesday which is 5 AM - 7 AM UTC. | 16:16 |
| NikolayM | m4dcoder, oh, I'll take to account that | 16:17 |
| NikolayM | 3. LimorStotland: create the bug related to pep8 fails | 16:17 |
| m4dcoder | NikolayM, thanks | 16:17 |
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| NikolayM | this one is done (on the previous meeting) | 16:17 |
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| NikolayM | #topic Current Status | 16:18 |
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| NikolayM | guys, let's tell your status as usually :) | 16:18 |
| hparekh | I am working on two blueprints. one is for docker image creation and second one is for tempest plugin. | 16:19 |
| melisha | ^Gal^ pushed auto refresh to Executions screen (waiting approval) and now starts working on pagination for Tasks screen | 16:19 |
| melisha | LiatFried is owrking on bugs and features in Actions screen | 16:19 |
| m4dcoder | 1) still waiting for review/approval for "fix join on branch error" bug 2) need to fix the spec format for "allow env update on task re-run" spec. | 16:19 |
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| lane_kong | - work on using UUID for workflow operations (spec and implementation); - discussed with hardik about building docker image for mistral; - regular review work. | 16:20 |
| NikolayM | my status: reviewed a lot of patches, also looked and reviewed at patch related to disabling qpid and "ack after processing" in oslo.messaging (there were a lot of comments and considerations) | 16:20 |
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| NikolayM | m4dcoder, I'll try to review your patch asap | 16:20 |
| m4dcoder | NikolayM, thanks! | 16:21 |
| lane_kong | m4dcoder: me too, after you fix the format | 16:21 |
| NikolayM | #action NikolayM: review patch "fix join on branch error" | 16:21 |
| m4dcoder | lane_kong, thanks! | 16:21 |
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| lane_kong | m4dcoder :-) | 16:21 |
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| NikolayM | so, we could skip next topic "M-2 status and planning" (already discussed) | 16:22 |
| NikolayM | and move right to open discussion | 16:22 |
| NikolayM | #topic Open Discussion | 16:22 |
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| NikolayM | what would you like to discuss? | 16:23 |
| melisha | What do you think about adding Mistral rules to pep8? Can we make it happen? | 16:23 |
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| melisha | It will save a lot of time for reviewers and committers | 16:24 |
| NikolayM | melisha, I'm not sure on 100% about that | 16:24 |
| lane_kong | melisha: what do you mean by 'mistral rules'? | 16:24 |
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| NikolayM | because our rules in mind are not so determinate | 16:24 |
| melisha | I mean Mistral specific rules - like line break before return statement | 16:25 |
| melisha | Or period at the end of a comment | 16:25 |
| melisha | If a developer could fix that before pushing it will save a lot of time for everyone | 16:26 |
| NikolayM | but we can add the rule for multiline method invoking | 16:26 |
| NikolayM | absolutely agree | 16:26 |
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| NikolayM | melisha, are you aware how to do that? | 16:26 |
| lane_kong | melisha: yes, i met with this confusion when i started mistral contribution | 16:26 |
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| melisha | NikolayM: I am not aware but if you will put together a list of rules in a doc - I can try to learn how to enforce them in pep8 | 16:27 |
| NikolayM | AFAIK it was done by akuznetsova | 16:28 |
| NikolayM | there is a blueprint for that with the link to etherpad | 16:28 |
| NikolayM | I try to find... | 16:28 |
| lane_kong | we can put that in the dev guide for newcomers | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | yes! here it is - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/add-custom-code-style-checks | 16:29 |
| lane_kong | and try to make it automatically checked | 16:29 |
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| NikolayM | and etherpad link - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-additional-codestyle-checks | 16:29 |
| lane_kong | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/add-custom-code-style-checks | 16:29 |
| lane_kong | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-additional-codestyle-checks | 16:30 |
| NikolayM | lane_kong, thanks! | 16:30 |
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| lane_kong | ：-） | 16:30 |
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| melisha | NikolayM, lane_kong: Great! Thanks. I will try to implement one of those and see how it goes | 16:30 |
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| dzimine | that would be neet. | 16:31 |
| NikolayM | melisha, cool! | 16:31 |
| lane_kong | melisha: appreciate that | 16:31 |
| m4dcoder | different topic, will folks here consider moving this weekly meeting to a different time or day? i prefer US evening time or if AM a different day like Tues/Wed. | 16:32 |
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| lane_kong | m4dcoder, NikolayM , maybe we need another Doodle poll for that | 16:32 |
| melisha | lane_kong: Doodle will be best | 16:33 |
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| lane_kong | we have contributors from Israel, China, Japan, USA, Russia... | 16:33 |
| lane_kong | all over the world | 16:33 |
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| lane_kong | really hard to decide a perfect tiime | 16:34 |
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| NikolayM | lane_kong, yup | 16:34 |
| lane_kong | maybe after 1 month, we have another contributor from New Zealand :-) | 16:34 |
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| lane_kong | ok, another topic, hparekh is working on building docker image for mistral | 16:35 |
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| lane_kong | automatically on patch merge or by time interval | 16:35 |
| lane_kong | do you guys familiar with that? | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | m4dcoder, we could try to do something with that | 16:36 |
| hparekh | lane_kong: Trying to find a way for on automatic patch merge on dockerhub | 16:36 |
| m4dcoder | NikolayM, lane_kong, so i will set up a doodle poll and send to ML for folks to vote. | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | m4dcoder, but it is hard to move meeting's time on general meeting channels | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | m4dcoder, yes, it would be cool | 16:37 |
| lane_kong | hparekh: did you reveieve the message i sent to you tonight? | 16:37 |
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| lane_kong | hparekh: the build job of rally Dockerfile is done within Mirantis internal CI infra. | 16:37 |
| m4dcoder | NikolayM, will give it a try if too much resistance then will stick w/ current time. | 16:37 |
| hparekh | lane_kong: sorry i am on diffenrent machine. | 16:37 |
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| lane_kong | hparekh: that's ok, just told you the result of the discussion with rally guys | 16:38 |
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| lane_kong | and the author of rally image build job | 16:38 |
| hparekh | I have seen that but its for testing docker image is building correctly or not. i guess | 16:38 |
| lane_kong | hparekh: https://github.com/redixin/rci-config/blob/42bdcffbcfb16834a8895beead0af45b6252bd1b/config.yaml#L277-L316 | 16:39 |
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| dzimine | which repo is mistral dockerfile? | 16:39 |
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| NikolayM | hparekh, you want to create new job in zuul infra for mistral, is that right? | 16:39 |
| hparekh | lane_kong: ok thanks | 16:39 |
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| lane_kong | dzimine: dockerfile will be in mistral repo | 16:39 |
| lane_kong | NikolayM: that's right | 16:40 |
| hparekh | NikolyM: yeah right. but afterdiscussed with lane_kong we think its better to have image on docker hub. | 16:40 |
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| hparekh | Still investigating on that | 16:40 |
| NikolayM | yes, it could be updated shen build is success | 16:41 |
| NikolayM | when* | 16:41 |
| dzimine | is there a WIP review/PR to glance? | 16:41 |
| lane_kong | but i don't want the build job to be run on each patch merged | 16:42 |
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| lane_kong | just run once everyday or some time inteval is enough to users | 16:42 |
| NikolayM | lane_kong, why? | 16:42 |
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| lane_kong | NikolayM: think about if we merge a lot of patches each day | 16:43 |
| lane_kong | the building job will be running over and over again | 16:43 |
| m4dcoder | how long does this job takes to run? | 16:43 |
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| lane_kong | it'll download ubuntu image, apt-get update, install softwares and mistral itsefl | 16:44 |
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| lane_kong | it's not a short time i think | 16:44 |
| hparekh | it takes 10 - 15 minutes on my machine | 16:44 |
| lane_kong | depends on what's defined in dockerfile | 16:45 |
| hparekh | ubntu is predownloaded | 16:45 |
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| lane_kong | hparekh: what's the progress with integration of Kolla? | 16:46 |
| hparekh | i think we can add this script to periodic job of project-config | 16:46 |
| m4dcoder | i don't have a preference to either. figuring out where to run this job probably is the blocker here. | 16:46 |
| lane_kong | if it's too complex, we can just do Kolla related work | 16:46 |
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| lane_kong | m4dcoder: yes | 16:46 |
| hparekh | lane_kong: There is already blueprint in kolla for that i will attend next kolla weekly meeting and discuss with them | 16:47 |
| lane_kong | if integrated with Kolla, maybe we could only have dockerfile in mistral repo | 16:47 |
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| lane_kong | and tell users how to build image in our user guide | 16:48 |
| hparekh | lane_kong: yeah. | 16:48 |
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| lane_kong | that's the last option | 16:49 |
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| lane_kong | but, anyway, a docker image will be very helpful for users who want to try mistral | 16:49 |
| lane_kong | for me, i use keystone docker image to work with mistral | 16:50 |
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| lane_kong | so, hparekh, please go ahead to do that | 16:51 |
| hparekh | lane_kong: yes thanks | 16:52 |
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| lane_kong | NikolayM: ok, nothing from my side :-) | 16:52 |
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| NikolayM | lane_kong, ok | 16:52 |
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| NikolayM | guys, any questions? | 16:53 |
| NikolayM | otherwise I wrap up the meeting | 16:53 |
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| lane_kong | bye, guys | 16:53 |
| NikolayM | ok | 16:53 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 16:54 |
| melisha | Bye | 16:54 |
| m4dcoder | alright bye folks | 16:54 |
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| NikolayM | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 16:54:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-12-14-16.01.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-12-14-16.01.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-12-14-16.01.log.html | 16:54 |
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| ianychoi | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 17:03:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:03 |
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| ianychoi | Hello, anybody to attend training_guides meeting? | 17:04 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-December/008095.html | 17:05 |
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| ianychoi | #info meeting agenda is in Etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:06 |
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| ianychoi | #topic review queue | 17:08 |
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| ianychoi | #info no review queue | 17:09 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254271/ | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256149/ | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | #info two reviews were merged during the last one week. | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | #topic bug assignments | 17:10 |
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| ianychoi | #info seems to be no special assignment status currently | 17:12 |
| ianychoi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+bug/1523570 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523570 in OpenStack Training Guides "Bug external references in commit message is not working to reflect launchpad status" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:13 |
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| ianychoi | #info question: how to be dealt with this bug? | 17:13 |
| ianychoi | #topic any other business | 17:14 |
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| ianychoi | #action ianychoi reply to training-guides meeting result to matjazp | 17:15 |
| ianychoi | It seems that matjazp and other possible guys would not come here.. I will finish in about 5 minutes, if no other guys come here. | 17:16 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256149/ -> address the upper launchpad | 17:17 |
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| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 17:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 17:21:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-12-14-17.03.html | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-12-14-17.03.txt | 17:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-12-14-17.03.log.html | 17:21 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 18:00 |
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| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:01 |
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| markmcclain | adam_g: ready? | 18:07 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting astara | 18:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 18:12:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:12 |
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| markmcclain | I'm on plane wifi, so let's hope this works | 18:12 |
| markmcclain | #topic reviews | 18:13 |
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| markmcclain | We have several open reviews to look at: | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/256566 | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | https://review.openstack.org/256885 | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/256885 | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/256170 | 18:14 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/256171 | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | those are awaiting a 2nd core review | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | This is also needs some review cycles: | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | https://review.openstack.org/246005 | 18:15 |
| davidlenwell | I'll jump on the review train this afternoon after all the meetings and lunch | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | #topic in progress work | 18:15 |
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| markmcclain | davidlenwell: any update on rootwrap or devstack work? | 18:16 |
| davidlenwell | I am kinda stuck on both.. working on a patch for root wrap right now just so I can get you or adam to look at it. | 18:16 |
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| davidlenwell | everything should be working if I am reading the documentation right.. but I'm still getting errors when running the tests | 18:17 |
| markmcclain | ok | 18:17 |
| davidlenwell | I must be missing something.. | 18:18 |
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| markmcclain | the unit or function tests? | 18:18 |
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| davidlenwell | both | 18:19 |
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| markmcclain | davidlenwell: make sure to update the entry for: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/astara-rootwrap | 18:19 |
| markmcclain | I've been working on the bring-your-own work | 18:19 |
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| davidlenwell | okay | 18:20 |
| markmcclain | have prioritize the PoC over the spec to make certain the direction is right | 18:20 |
| markmcclain | davidlenwell: might have to use the debugging stuff and step through the places where root wrap is being invoked | 18:21 |
| davidlenwell | sounds reasonable | 18:21 |
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| markmcclain | #topic open discussion | 18:21 |
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| davidlenwell | markmcclain: that was my plan later today | 18:21 |
| markmcclain | Since Adam is missing today we'll keep this short | 18:21 |
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| markmcclain | Any other items to discuss? | 18:21 |
| adam_g | o/ hey sorry guys | 18:21 |
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| adam_g | ive added reno support to our repo for release notes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256170/ | 18:22 |
| adam_g | i'd like to start using it for release notes tracking in-tree | 18:22 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. was looking over that work this morning cool stuff | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | ive got some patches stacked on that that show how to use it, it'll just make things much easier at release time ( i hate edittiing docs on wiki) | 18:23 |
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| markmcclain | yeah... also easier than trying to remember 6 mos of stuff | 18:24 |
| markmcclain | #chair adam_g | 18:25 |
| openstack | Current chairs: adam_g markmcclain | 18:25 |
| adam_g | not much else to add from me, sorry i missed meeting. woke up this AM with internet connection | 18:25 |
| markmcclain | no worries | 18:25 |
| adam_g | im slowly trying to get to the bottom of the one or two transient gate bugs that fail our tests, but that'll be an ongoing thing | 18:25 |
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| markmcclain | cool... I know it's a pain track those down | 18:26 |
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| adam_g | anything else? | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | unless there's anything.. I think we can get back to reviews/coding | 18:28 |
| adam_g | right on tty in #openstack-astara | 18:29 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 18:29:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-12-14-18.12.html | 18:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-12-14-18.12.txt | 18:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-12-14-18.12.log.html | 18:29 |
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| Shamail | ping ShillaSaebi, jproulx | 19:02 |
| jproulx | Shamail here | 19:02 |
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| Shamail | Awesome. Is it time to start? | 19:03 |
| HeidiJoy | Hi friends. Managed to hop on this meeting for a short time. | 19:03 |
| jproulx | let' | 19:03 |
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| Shamail | Hi HeidiJoy, hope you're doing well | 19:03 |
| Shamail | jproulx... Can you or ShillaSaebi chair? | 19:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting User Committee | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 14 19:04:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: User Committee)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'user_committee' | 19:04 |
| HeidiJoy | Thank you, I am! Looks like we have Shilla, Jonathan, Shamail and Lauren here - who else for the UC meeting? | 19:04 |
| Shamail | Hi! | 19:04 |
| rolandchan | Morning all. | 19:04 |
| sgordon | o/ | 19:04 |
| jproulx | I'm rathert franticly trying to pull togatehr me notes & irc meeting cheet sheet | 19:04 |
| jproulx | Subu sends his regrets | 19:05 |
| HeidiJoy | I'd love a copy of that cheat sheet sometime @jproulx | 19:05 |
| Shamail | jproulx: I'll be doing that for product WG and I'll share it with UC | 19:05 |
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| jproulx | well it's on line somewhere & I'm googling for it :) | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can start with the first topic on the agenda | 19:06 |
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| jproulx | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ChairaMeeting | 19:06 |
| jbryce | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:06 |
| HeidiJoy | Thanks! | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic meeting schedule proposed to biweekly | 19:06 |
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| j^2 | hey :D | 19:06 |
| jproulx | #startmeeting User Committee | 19:06 |
| openstack | jproulx: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 19:06 |
| j^2 | the command is #chair to add another chair | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | #chair jproulx | 19:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ShillaSaebi jproulx | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok we should be good to go | 19:07 |
| jproulx | #topic schedule | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "schedule (Meeting topic: User Committee)" | 19:07 | |
| jproulx | proposal to witch to biweekly (from monthly) & have alternating time with 1 APAC friendly | 19:08 |
| jproulx | I think we're generally on board with the idea, bu thow shoudl w epick time 2 | 19:08 |
| Shamail | The proposal makes sense to me, easier to remember. I would like to suggest someone taking an action item to send out a doodle to poll timing options. | 19:08 |
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| jbryce | rolandchan seems to be our regular apac participant so maybe let him make suggestions | 19:09 |
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| rolandchan | I can send a doodle. Do we have enough APAC participants? Split meeting have not worked for diversity.. | 19:09 |
| jproulx | if rolandchan is willing that sounds like a good idea is he here? | 19:09 |
| HeidiJoy | I think the User Committee has enough business & tasks that it warrants biweekly meetings. I'm flexible on time. | 19:10 |
| j^2 | we'll need to make sure that the intersection of topics are recorded and destributed per meeting. i suggest notes sent out after each meeting per the ML | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:10 |
| Shamail | rolandchan: +1 | 19:10 |
| amitry | +1 | 19:11 |
| j^2 | we need a scribe then, that will take responsibility to make the notes and email each meeting | 19:11 |
| jbryce | rolandchan: it’s a good point about participation. we could either scratch the idea or try and review after the first couple | 19:11 |
| Shamail | I think it's worth trying too | 19:11 |
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| rolandchan | Ok. Let's see how we go. I'll send a doodle request to the list | 19:12 |
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| jbryce | #agreed rolandchan to send doodle request for APAC-friendly meeting time | 19:12 |
| jproulx | So any other scvheduling before we move topics | 19:13 |
| Shamail | Thanks rolandchan | 19:13 |
| jproulx | #topic Next steps for Survey analysis | 19:14 |
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| jbryce | i have to run in a few minutes but i did want to chat about this one | 19:15 |
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| jbryce | lsell sent out an update about the nps analysis to date | 19:15 |
| lsell | i was just pulling the link actually: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2015-December/000554.html | 19:15 |
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| jbryce | i know there’s also been discussion about how useful nps is for us to track. i actually feel like it’s very valuable to have a quantitative metric for trending | 19:16 |
| rolandchan | Yep. | 19:17 |
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| jbryce | nps is definitely not just a brand loyalty tool as stef was sort of pigeon-holing it | 19:17 |
| amitry | it is also industry recognized | 19:17 |
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| HeidiJoy | I'd support continued NPS surveying. I have certification from Satmetrix to administer NPS if we have questions on methodology. | 19:17 |
| jproulx | That looks like a good plan to me for the NPS part & I think since we have it we should look, if it turns out not to correlate in any useful way then we can think about discuss dropping it | 19:18 |
| j^2 | jbryce: at the same time, nps is also extremely tenuious at best to grok. As someone who has seen huge mistakes made because of unfavorable NPS scores they really are hard to use without long term trending | 19:18 |
| jbryce | but i agree the number on its own is not the whole story. we’ve actually been digging into and reaching out to the detractors to follow up on their specific circumstances | 19:18 |
| rolandchan | Oh? That's great! | 19:18 |
| j^2 | jbryce: that's great to hear | 19:18 |
| jproulx | so you have been doing interviews based on that, that was my next suggestion | 19:19 |
| Shamail | I like it (especially having a quantitative value to track) but I do agree that we need to define what we are capturing (segments, deployment phase, etc.) and what will it influence for us. | 19:19 |
| HeidiJoy | A big point made in certification is following up with the groups (promoters, neutrals, detractors). It can be more significant than score-tracking, especially for a small survey population. | 19:19 |
| Shamail | HeidiJoy: +1 | 19:19 |
| jbryce | j^2: for sure, i agree. and you have to take into account the make up of your sample | 19:19 |
| j^2 | jbryce: :D | 19:20 |
| jproulx | jbryce: has the foundation also been following up on negative responses in comments aside from NPS? | 19:20 |
| HeidiJoy | I think we'd get the most out of additional analysis if we narrowed down the 54 questions asked on the user survey to a handful of questions that we could do multivariant quant analysis on. In the same way we already did analysis on user roles and company size and found no variations there. | 19:21 |
| jbryce | jproulx: it depends on where the comments show up. some we follow up on and some we pass on to PTLs or others | 19:21 |
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| Shamail | I'd like to share that data with the Product WG as well (if it's in a sanitized form)... | 19:22 |
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| jproulx | HeidiJoy: I think projects used might be relevent but there's so many possible permutations idk of it would just devolve to noise | 19:24 |
| sparkyco_ | I think it would be interesting to see if version used correlates or shows any trending between versions | 19:25 |
| jproulx | sparkyco_ +1 | 19:25 |
| Shamail | sparkyco_: +1 | 19:25 |
| HeidiJoy | That would cut ~350 responses by ~25 variables and probably be too small to give us trend data @jproulx. But we could pull ~55 detractors and simply look at which projects they identified, which would not show a trend, but would be useful with their comments as context. | 19:26 |
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| jproulx | HeidiJoy, sparkyco_ suggestion to cut by version seems like it may yield workable sample size | 19:28 |
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| HeidiJoy | I agree we can cut by version for a good size. Are there other variables we should look into? | 19:29 |
| rolandchan | I don't recall the questions, but whether the respondent had any external assistance would be interesting. | 19:30 |
| HeidiJoy | Note that cutting by version has a basis of ~350=deployments only. We have a total answer population of ~1400 for this survey. Would we want to cut by an answer that all respondents gave? | 19:30 |
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| lsell | I think we should focus on deployments | 19:31 |
| lsell | So I'm fine cutting by version | 19:31 |
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| jproulx | HeidiJoy do you recall if there's a question that relates to external support? I can't think of one, but you've been liveing much closer to this... | 19:32 |
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| Shamail | I have to drop off, will catch up on the meeting via log. Take care. | 19:33 |
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| HeidiJoy | Roland, yes, we have many questions asking about which vendor is used for specific things. Which do you have in mind? Pointing to a page number in the report is especially helpful in the survey: https://www.openstack.org/assets/survey/Public-User-Survey-Report.pdf Page 26-33 reference vendors. | 19:34 |
| jproulx | "What packages does this deployment use…?" seems relevent | 19:36 |
| sgordon | sort of but even the wording of that is a bit open ended | 19:36 |
| HeidiJoy | Jproulx examples are PaaS tools, hypervisors, drivers, etc | 19:36 |
| HeidiJoy | 39% of deployments are using vendor distributions, 55% unmodified. So we could look at "which packages does this deployment use?" | 19:37 |
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| Rolandchan_ | The packages question on pg 25 looks like a reasonable start to me | 19:38 |
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| jproulx | Yes, that's the one I was referencing | 19:39 |
| HeidiJoy | So I can go back to the data scientist and cut by that question (page 25) and the question on OpenStack version (page 20) ... anything else? | 19:39 |
| sgordon | similarly for "packages you've modified" - which packages | 19:40 |
| HeidiJoy | I can also probably do a historical comparison to the prior survey's data. | 19:40 |
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| jproulx | Just a gut feeling on this but possibly network driver (pg 29) | 19:40 |
| rolandchan__ | I don't appear to be having much luck with the web client today :( | 19:40 |
| HeidiJoy | For this question on page 25, would we want to look at all deployment responses, or only those in production, or those in production + test phase? | 19:41 |
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| rolandchan__ | All I think. | 19:41 |
| HeidiJoy | Options are production, dev/QA, and POC | 19:41 |
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| HeidiJoy | I have to drop off but I will be happy to engage with the data scientist for these additional questions and any more on this meeting string. | 19:43 |
| rolandchan__ | +1 on @jproulx gut feeling, | 19:43 |
| jproulx | thanks HeidiJoy | 19:43 |
| jproulx | So I think Survey stuff is covered with further discussion to mailing list, unless anyone has some final comments? | 19:45 |
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| rolandchan__ | I'm done | 19:45 |
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| jproulx | #topic UC direction | 19:46 |
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| jproulx | I believe this was j^2 's topic: | 19:46 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:46 |
| jproulx | discuss where we want to take the UC and what we can change | 19:46 |
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| j^2 | that's the short of it yeah | 19:46 |
| j^2 | the UC has an oppertunity to help the community as a whole | 19:47 |
| j^2 | we need to empower ourselves to make this happen | 19:47 |
| jproulx | One of the things I'm seeing is on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee we list a numbe rof working groups and teams. | 19:47 |
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| jproulx | I wonder how many of the organisers of those know they're listed there :) | 19:48 |
| j^2 | as the UC do we have representives at each of these WGs? | 19:48 |
| jproulx | I don't think so. | 19:49 |
| j^2 | if not, we should, and we should ask those representives to come back to the UC to report what that WG is doing/deciding | 19:49 |
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| j^2 | unless i'm missing something, but as an openstack community member we need to help where we can, obviously people won't come to the UC so the UC needs to come to them | 19:50 |
| jproulx | perhaps we should add a colum to that table on the wiki for 'UC liason' | 19:50 |
| j^2 | jproulx: +1 love it | 19:50 |
| jproulx | then we can try and fill in that blank... | 19:51 |
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| lsell | +1 | 19:51 |
| j^2 | we should ask for volunteers from this group to fill in those boxes which are most realistily close to their day to day. We are the user committee so something should fall within your skill set | 19:51 |
| jproulx | #action jproulx will add a column to 'Working Groups and Teams' table on the wiki for 'UC liason' | 19:52 |
| j^2 | and by our next meeting we should have liasons that we can ask to start...liasoning? | 19:52 |
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| jproulx | j^2 that may be optimistic, but we should at least know which need a liason and which already have active involvement | 19:53 |
| rolandchan__ | LOL. Liaising :) | 19:53 |
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| j^2 | jproulx: hey sometimes a streach goal is something we need to get involvement ;) | 19:54 |
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| jproulx | j^2 I'm all for optimism, who wants to take that challenge? | 19:55 |
| j^2 | it's a challange to the group :D | 19:55 |
| maishsk | sorry I am late to the party… :) | 19:55 |
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| jproulx | whoever liases most gets a gold star? | 19:55 |
| j^2 | exactly :D | 19:56 |
| jproulx | works for me :) | 19:56 |
| jproulx | so time check we're at 4 min to go | 19:56 |
| j^2 | that should definantly be put in the meeting notes, and followed up in the ML | 19:56 |
| jproulx | anything we've not covered? | 19:56 |
| jproulx | we've not covered who will send meeting notes to ML...any volunteers? | 19:57 |
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| jproulx | basically clean up irc log | 19:57 |
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| rolandchan__ | I'll give it a shot | 19:58 |
| jproulx | thanks rolandchan__ | 19:59 |
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| jproulx | hearing no other topics I think we're at teh end | 19:59 |
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| jproulx | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 14 20:00:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2015/user_committee.2015-12-14-19.04.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2015/user_committee.2015-12-14-19.04.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2015/user_committee.2015-12-14-19.04.log.html | 20:00 |
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| cbader_ | does anyone have a devstack with master I can barrow for a day | 23:35 |
| cbader_ | sorry wrong irc | 23:36 |
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